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The best collection of podcasts and voices in the Human Resources, Recruiting, Technology, DEI, and Workforce space in one podcast. Welcome to Evergreen's HR Collection, curated episodes from the most well-known and up-in-coming podcasts in the HR, Recruiting, and Tech industry. Ten different shows wrapped into one diverse podcast.
Ep 655: Using Culture As A Talent Magnet
Company culture is a fundamental selling point for attracting the right talent to an organization. However, in many cases, it is talked about in a cliched, inauthentic way during the hiring process. Culture is also often portrayed in terms of the working environment or via specific perks rather than being something that holistically represents the organization.
So, how can TA teams use culture as a genuine magnet to attract talent in a post-pandemic world where work has fundamentally changed?
My guest this week is Kirstie Eustace, Chief Admin Officer at Steward Partners. Steward Partners is an excellent example of an organization that puts their culture front and centre in there hiring process, and Kirstie has some excellent insights and advice to share
In the interview, we discuss:
The definition of culture in a corporate context
How does culture translate into employee and candidate experience?
Prioritising wellbeing
Using culture to stand out in talent acquisition
Storytelling with real examples
Giving candidates direct access to existing employees and the leadership team
The role of technology
What does the future look like
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25:0122/11/2024
Why AI Can't Replace Recruiters (Yet)
From the Shaker Green Room at RecFest USA, Dean Da Costa joins Chad & Cheese to share fresh recruitment advice. He urges recruiters to challenge norms, verify AI-generated data, and focus on the human touch. Da Costa emphasizes personal branding, as candidates often research recruiters, and suggests exploring platforms beyond LinkedIn to reach diverse talent. He highlights the irreplaceable value of genuine interactions over automation and advocates for a supportive, knowledge-sharing recruiter community.
13:3920/11/2024
400,000 Referrals with Patti Tabris
Live from the SmartRecruiters booth at the HR Tech conference in Las Vegas, the boys hosted a session with Patti Tabris, Senior Director of Talent Acquisition at ResultsCX, who shared insights into leveraging employee referrals for recruitment. With 20,000 employees, ResultsCX has seen tremendous success by generating over 400,000 referrals in two years, highlighting referrals as a potent yet often underutilized recruitment strategy. Patti emphasized that continuous improvement and innovation in their referral program, named ReferCX, not only reduces hiring costs but also enhances candidate quality and company culture. The program's effectiveness is boosted by integrating marketing strategies at launch and robust backend technology to handle referral tracking and bonus calculations. The company has implemented a tiered incentive system linked to employee retention and uses a leaderboard to boost engagement without extra costs. The referral initiative extends beyond immediate hires, creating a pool of future candidates, and is integrated into the company's onboarding process through a mobile app. This program, accounting for 25-30% of hires, focuses on internal culture but plans to explore external referrals and enhance gamification. The success of ReferCX is measured through clear goals, tracking, and employee feedback, demonstrating its significant impact on both employee satisfaction and retention.
20:3818/11/2024
Ep 654: The Power Of Great Questions
Whenever we talk about recruiting automation, there is always a persistent narrative in favor of retaining the human touch in some way, shape, or form. While technology now enables us to interact in increasingly conversational ways, there's still an irreplaceable quality in human-to-human, face-to-face dialogue that no machine or video can fully replicate.
So, how can we enhance the effectiveness of our conversations in both professional and personal settings? And could asking more powerful, thoughtful questions lead to better hiring outcomes?
My guest this week is Emmy Award-winning filmmaker Topaz Adizes, founder of experience design studio The Skin Deep. Having conducted over 1,200 filmed conversations exploring human connection, Topaz has gained profound insights into what makes questions transformative. In our discussion, he shares what his work has taught him about crafting questions that break down barriers and foster authentic dialogue—lessons that can help us all engage more meaningfully in the workplace and beyond.
In the interview, we discuss:
Lessons learned from filming 1,200 conversations
How conversations build relationships
Avoiding power plays and making a safe space for conversation
The importance of well-constructed questions
Curiosity and openness in job interviews
The power of bringing unrelated concepts together
Connective questions
Listening versus speaking
Can AI write effective questions?
The differences between face-to-face and virtual conversations
What's the future of workplace conversations?
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31:2517/11/2024
Ep 653: Assessing the impact of AI
I know that many of you would agree that we are now beyond saturation point with the hype around AI in TA. It's clear that one way or another, gen AI is going to become ubiquitous in the software that we use. So, rather than discussing it as a topic on its own, we need to look carefully at the current and future impact on TA in terms of use cases, innovation, and the potential to rethink hiring.
So what are the proven use cases for AI right now, where are we missing opportunities, and how will things develop in the short term?
My guest this week is Mark Chaffey, Co-Founder and CEO of Hackajob. We discuss current AI use cases and lessons TA can learn from Gen AI's impact on software engineering.
In the interview, we discuss:
The current state of the tech hiring market
Concerns over developing early career talent
The impact of AI on software engineering
AI isn't just about automation. It's about being ten times better.
Why AI will always match better than humans
The role of TA
The hype cycle
Critical questions to ask vendors
Data governance and integration
What will things be like in both the short and long-term future?
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25:2715/11/2024
ZipRecruiter's Pathetic Performance
This week, the boys are joined by Lieven from House of HR to discuss various topics including layoffs in the industry, the impact of AI on startups, social media regulations for youth, and recent innovations in recruitment. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by companies in the current economic climate, as well as insights into quarterly earnings reports from major players in the recruitment space. The conversation delves into the dynamics of job platforms, particularly focusing on the power struggles between major players like Indeed and ZipRecruiter. Plenty of talking about the innovations brought by AI tools in recruitment, the challenges faced by ZipRecruiter, and the potential for mergers and acquisitions in the industry. The discussion also touches on the impact of AI on the workforce, investment trends in HR tech, and a comparison of two startups, Toothio and SocialCrowd, showcasing the evolving landscape of recruitment and staffing.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
03:02 - The Impact of AI on Startups
06:00 - Social Media Regulations and Youth
09:03 - Innovations in Recruitment
14:51 - Layoffs and Economic Challenges
17:48 - Quarterly Earnings Reports and Market Trends
27:35 - The Power Dynamics of Job Platforms
29:08 - Innovations in Recruitment: The Rise of AI Tools
30:52 - The Struggles of ZipRecruiter
34:42 - The Future of Recruitment: Mergers and Acquisitions
36:44 - AI in the Workforce: Opportunities and Challenges
48:30 - Investment Trends in HR Tech
53:08 - Startups to Watch: Toothio vs. Social Crowd
58:0015/11/2024
Authenticity Over Algorithms w/ Mary Battle Broxton
Live from the Shaker Green Room, Mary Battle Broxton from Tractor Supply Company joined The Chad & Cheese at RecFest USA to talk AI, authenticity, and hiring without the ‘lazy applicants.’ ‘Embrace the robots, or get left in the dust,’ as Mary urges talent leaders to dive headfirst into AI tools like Paradox. Forget the old-school ways; it's all about tech-fueled, authentic candidate experiences now, where people and bots get to know each other before onboarding. Oh, and by 2025, you better be ready to keep up, or, as Mary might say, enjoy life as a digital dinosaur.
11:0706/11/2024
Round Up October 2024
Round up is the monthly show on The Recruiting Future Podcast channel that highlights episodes you may have missed and gives you my take on some of the key learnings from the guests.
Episodes mentioned in this Round Up:
Ep 644: AI, Innovation & HR Tech
Ep 645: Recruiting Nirvana
Ep 646: Skills Intelligence
Ep 647: Attributes
Ep 648: Unstoppable Transformation
Ep 649: Building A Personalized Candidate Experience
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10:4405/11/2024
HR Tech Talks: Give 'Em the Bird w/ Tracey Parsons
Live from the SmartRecruiters booth, Tracey Parsons, the CEO of Flockity, shared insights at the HR Tech conference in Las Vegas, drawing from her extensive 20-year background in recruitment marketing and employer branding. She highlighted the sluggish pace of change within the industry, attributing it to stakeholder resistance and a pervasive lack of genuine listening, which deteriorates candidate experiences. This oversight often stems from an employer's sense of superiority, exemplified by Amazon's challenged reputation due to its treatment of warehouse workers. Parsons noted the common occurrence of candidates being ghosted post-interview, a reflection of broader systemic failures in recruitment where candidate sentiment remains low and transparency around compensation is stifled.
The friction in job application processes is often counterproductive, deterring potential talent, while companies like Amazon, despite recognizing the costs of high attrition, struggle with implementing meaningful change. Misaligned branding further complicates expectations for both candidates and employees. However, technology offers a beacon of hope by potentially streamlining interactions and enhancing communication.
Parsons criticized the inefficiencies in the current job distribution model, marked by low trust in job postings, and introduced Flockity's innovative approach using influencer marketing to foster trust and improve the candidate experience. She pointed out the skewed dynamics where paid job promotions might not reflect genuine company endorsement, and content tends to emphasize skills over culture. Creators often avoid brand mentions to dodge backlash.
27:2804/11/2024
Ep 650: A Strategic Approach To Skills
I've done a lot of research this year around the move to skills-based hiring and skills-based organizations. Having spoken to a large number of employers on this journey, it is very clear that success is predicated on looking at skills strategically, holistically, and in the context of both business and personal growth.
Ultimately, employers need to think fundamentally differently about talent and reflect this new thinking in talent acquisition, talent mobility, and talent development.
My guests this week have just published an excellent book encouraging CEOs to embrace this new mindset to build the adaptable, skilled workforce they need in a way that doesn't undermine personal growth and champions the employee experience.
The book is called "The Talent-Fueled Enterprise," and it was great to be able to speak to all three of its authors, Mike Ohata, Larry Durham, and Eric Dingler, who between them have 85 years combined experience in leading talent at Fortune 15 companies.
In the interview, we discuss:
The current most common talent challenges
The tension between people growth and business growth
Shifting from tech skills to Skills, Attributes and Experience
Skilling for human potential
Building teams for growth, adaptability, and empathy
Rethinking Talent Acquisition
Becoming a skills-based organization
The vital importance of talent mobility
Employee experience
The impact of AI
What will work look like in 5 years time?
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35:3703/11/2024
Ep 649: Building A Personalized Candidate Experience
Improving the candidate experience has been a perpetual goal in recruiting. Despite the best intentions, the improvement process's effectiveness still ebbs and flows with the changes in supply and demand in the labor market. However, are things finally about to change?
Ever since the exponential acceleration in the development of AI, I've been excited about the possibility of technology delivering a genuinely personalized candidate experience at scale.
So, what does this vision look like? Which elements are already possible, and what do TA leaders need to do to make it a reality?
My guest this week is Don Tomlinson, CTO at Daxtra. In our conversation, Don gives us a refreshingly pragmatic view of the AI use cases that can combine to build a personalized candidate experience and highlights pitfalls and dangers to be aware of.
In the interview, we discuss:
Using AI to diversify talent pools
Taking out the background noise
Personalizing the candidate's experience in real-time
Bespoke communication at scale
Automatically tailoring the hiring process to individual circumstances.
Transparency
The dangers of losing the human touch
Efficiencies, investment, and ROI
Build vs Buy, Core Vs Complementary
AI self-auditing to improve strategy and process
What will the future look like?
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24:4301/11/2024
HR Tech Talks: Quincy Valencia
In this lively episode, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman sit down with Quincy Valencia, SVP of Innovation at Harri, at the HR Tech conference. Known for her no-nonsense approach, Quincy offers her candid insights on the overhyped AI trend, emphasizing that companies should focus on the outcomes AI can deliver rather than getting lost in technical jargon. She highlights how AI has evolved since ChatGPT’s launch, moving beyond basic functionalities to transformative real-time data applications in industries like hospitality. As she discusses the future of HR technology, Quincy predicts continued shifts toward integrated ecosystems and strategic partnerships, suggesting that adaptability and innovation are critical for survival. The conversation wraps up with her advice for cautious companies exploring AI: prioritize business results over the technology’s novelty.
Chapter Timecodes
1. 0:00 - Podcast Intro
2. 2:31 - Meet Quincy Valencia
3. 5:46 - AI in HR
4. 10:31 - Real-World AI Applications
5. 4:56 - Adapting in a Changing Market
6. 20:11 - Advice for Newcomers
7. 23:31 - Future of HR Tech
8. 27:16 - Quincy’s HR Tech Wishlist
9. 30:46 - Wrap-Up
22:0130/10/2024
Ep 648: Unstoppable Transformation
In the last few weeks, many established software vendors have launched AI-augmented products, helping us move past the hype and get a much more hands-on view of what AI means for Talent Acquisition.
There are still a massive amount of unknowns, but it is evident that AI is a chief catalyst in what is now an unstoppable transformation of TA and the broader talent function. AI and automation fundamentally alter the speed and scale at which TA can operate, constantly pushing the boundaries of what is possible.
So, what does this mean for TA leaders and practitioners right now? How prepared are organizations for this level of transformation, and how can TA raise its game to drive more value for the organization?
This week, my guests are Dr. Swathi Palasamudram, Enterprise Business Architect at Bosch, and Nazim Ünlü, Global People and Organization Lead at Novartis, in two interviews recorded at the Smartrecruiters Hiring Success event in Amsterdam in September. Swathi and Nazim shared insights that reveal why the transformation of talent acquisition is truly unstoppable—and how TA leaders can harness this momentum to not only keep pace but lead the way.
In the interviews, we discuss:
Fear, Adaptability, and the critical importance of strategic thinking
Current AI use cases.
How AI can raise the value of TA to the business
Regional variations in AI adoption
Retaining the vital human element of TA and HR
Data literacy
Building a personalized candidate experience
The difference between Automation (efficiency through technology) and AI (insights and decision-making)
Advice for TA Leaders
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31:5028/10/2024
Green Room: The Realist Recruiter
Live from the Shaker Recruitment Marketing Green Room at RecFest in Nashville! In the podcast, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman, dive into the evolving world of recruitment with Joel Lalgee, founder and lead recruiter at The Realist Recruiter. Lalgee, who transitioned from an agency recruiter to building his personal brand online during COVID, shares insights on the recruitment landscape. He emphasizes the importance of authenticity in recruitment, advocating for recruiters to be more human in their approach. The discussion highlights how companies are increasingly turning to social media for recruitment, stressing the creation of relatable content and the strategic use of social media influencers to align with company culture and target audience preferences. They explore the future of recruitment, predicting a rise in independent recruiters and Recruitment Process Outsourcing (RPO) models that leverage technology. Lalgee outlines his plans for 2025, focusing on content creation and establishing an RPO model, alongside discussing effective strategies for content distribution across various platforms to engage audiences more effectively.
16:3028/10/2024
Indeed Infringes (allegedly)
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel and Chad discuss a variety of topics including Snoop Dogg's decision to turn down a $100 million offer from OnlyFans, the ongoing legal challenges faced by Indeed, and Upwork's launch of a new AI feature named Uma. They also share personal updates, travel plans, and insights into the fantasy football league, while providing shoutouts to industry figures and discussing market trends.
Takeaways
Snoop Dogg's decision reflects his brand awareness.
Compliance companies can be surprisingly profitable.
Travel can take a toll on health and well-being.
Indeed faces legal challenges that could set precedents.
Upwork's new AI features aim to enhance user experience.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Shoutouts
02:49 - Industry Insights and Market Trends
06:04 - The Power of Compliance and Legalities
09:12 - Travel Plans and Personal Updates
11:56 - Fantasy Football Roundup
15:00 - Indeed's Legal Challenges
18:05 - Upwork's New AI Features
20:53 - Snoop Dogg's $100 Million Decision
33:57 - Closing Thoughts and Dad Jokes
Keywords
Chad and Cheese Podcast, Snoop Dogg, Indeed, Upwork, Fantasy Football, Market Trends, Compliance, Legal Challenges, Industry Insights, Personal Updates
36:3325/10/2024
Film Room - Jon Harris
In this episode of Talent Chasing, Brian Johnson and Chad Sowash dissect their interview with John Harris, owner of AthLife, and explore the complexities of athlete transitions into the real world, the implications of the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) landscape, and the importance of unions in both sports and corporate environments. They discuss the challenges faced by collegiate athletes, the need for employee development in businesses, and the often-overlooked human element in analytics and corporate decision-making.
Takeaways
The transition from sports to real life is challenging for athletes.
NIL has created new dilemmas for collegiate athletes.
Unions play a crucial role in protecting athlete rights.
Employee development is often neglected in corporate settings.
Happy employees lead to better productivity and retention.
The focus on numbers can overlook the human aspect of work.
Collective bargaining can ensure fair compensation for all athletes.
Athletes often feel unprepared for life after sports.
The importance of branding for athletes has increased with NIL.
There is a need for a VP of employee development in every company.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Challenge Chasing
04:54 Navigating the NIL Landscape
07:00 The Fantasy of Professional Sports
09:59 The Importance of Unions in Sports and Beyond
12:46 Employee Development in Corporate America
15:46 The Human Element in Business Analytics
17:2624/10/2024
Equity Served Hot
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese podcast, Chad and Cheese chat with Maria Colacurcio, CEO at Syndio, Alim Dhanji, CHRO, TD SYNNEX, and Ana White, EVP and Chief People Officer at Lumen to discuss the critical issues surrounding workplace equity, the importance of data-driven approaches, and the impact of recent legal changes on DEI initiatives. The conversation highlights the need for transparency, the role of AI in reducing bias, and real stories of how pay equity adjustments have positively affected employees' lives. Achieving equity is an ongoing journey that requires commitment from leadership and a culture of inclusion.
ENJOY!
43:3523/10/2024
Immigration Myth Busting w/ Prof. Zeke Hernandez.
In this episode, Zeke Hernandez, a professor at the Wharton School, discusses the complexities of immigration in the U.S., addressing both legal and illegal immigration, the economic contributions of immigrants, and the need for reform in immigration policies.
The conversation also hits head-on the challenges faced by high-skilled immigrants and the implications of America's outdated immigration system. Prof Zeke discusses the multifaceted impact of immigration on the labor market, economy, culture, and job creation in the U.S.
Prof Zeke addresses the historical context of cultural assimilation and offers strategies for engaging in difficult conversations about immigration.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to Zeke Hernandez
03:02 - The Truth About Immigration
06:10 - Understanding Legal vs. Illegal Immigration
09:11 - Investment Contributions of Immigrants
12:01 - The Need for High-Skilled Immigration
14:52 - America's Brain and Muscle Drain
17:49 - The Impact of Immigrants on Job Markets
20:56 - The Impact of Immigration on the Labor Market
24:53 - Economic Growth and Immigrant Contributions
26:48 - Challenges of the Current Immigration System
28:53 - Cultural Assimilation and Historical Perspectives
31:00 - Navigating Difficult Conversations on Immigration
34:43 - The Economic Consequences of Mass Deportation
Keywords
immigration, economy, legal immigration, illegal immigration, investment, job creation, high-skilled workers, brain drain, muscle drain, Zeke Hernandez, immigration, labor market, economic growth, cultural assimilation, immigration system, difficult conversations, mass deportation, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris
38:5121/10/2024
Ep 647: Attributes
Soft Skills, Hard Skills, Attributes, Traits, Competencies—these words sometimes get used interchangeably when we talk about assessment and team building. As the momentum around skills-based hiring increases, it is important to know what we really mean when we talk about skills generically and how exactly we are measuring someone's ability to do a particular role.
My guest this week is Rich Diviney, founder of The Attributes. Rich is a former Commanding Officer in the US Navy SEALs, where he was responsible for assessing and selecting the elite of the elite for the famous SEAL Team Six.
He now speaks and writes about the use of attributes in team building and hiring. We had a fantastic discussion about the difference between skills and attributes in the context of hiring and development. We also discuss my somewhat surprising results from taking Rich's attributes test.
In the interview, we discuss:
Identifying the elite of the elite for SEAL Team Six
The difference between attributes and skills
Understanding how people react in times of stress, challenge, and uncertainty
How do you measure and assess attributes?
Are soft skills and attributes the same thing?
Can you develop attributes?
The difference between perseverance, resilience, and tenacity
What are companies getting wrong when it comes to skills and hiring?
The "Dream Team Paradox"
When AI takes over skills, attributes become even more critical.
What does the future look like for hiring and managing talent?
You can get 15% of The Attributes Assessment by using the code RECRUITING15
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35:1220/10/2024
ADP Drops Coin
In this episode of The Chad & Cheese podcast, hosts Joel and Chad discuss a variety of topics including the current political climate, recent layoffs in the industry, sports updates, and the acquisition of Workforce Software by ADP. They share their thoughts on the implications of these events and provide shout outs to notable figures and companies in the recruitment and technology space.
In this conversation, Chad and Joel discuss the competitive landscape of HR tech, focusing on ADP's strategic moves in response to emerging competitors. They analyze SEEK's acquisition strategy and its implications for the market. The discussion shifts to the ongoing debates around minimum wage, highlighting the economic impacts of wage increases.
They also explore Tulsa's innovative remote work initiative aimed at revitalizing the local economy. Finally, they address the critical issue of workplace safety and accountability in light of a tragic incident involving a factory worker.
Chapters
00:00- -Introduction to the Podcast and Current Events
02:56-Political Climate and Its Impact
05:55 - Sports Updates and Reactions
08:52 -Shout Outs and Promotions
11:56 -Layoffs in the Industry
15:03 - ADP's Acquisition of Workforce Software
19:40 - ADP's Competitive Landscape and Strategic Moves
22:22 - Seek's Acquisition Strategy and Market Focus
24:35 - The Buy, Build, or Partner Dilemma
27:19 -Minimum Wage Discussions and Economic Impacts
35:10 - Tulsa's Remote Work Initiative and Economic Revitalization
42:24 - Workplace Safety and Accountability in Tragic Incidents
Keywords
podcast, layoffs, acquisitions, political climate, sports updates, ADP, workforce software, job search, technology, automation, ADP, Seek, minimum wage, Tulsa Remote, workplace safety, HR tech, economic impact, acquisition strategy, competitive landscape, remote work
45:4218/10/2024
Chasing Jon Harris
John Harris, the owner of AthLife, shares his journey of helping former professional athletes transition back into the real world. He explains how AthLife has assisted over a thousand athletes in pursuing education and finding new careers. The conversation also touches on the shift in college athletics with the introduction of name, image, and likeness (NIL) rights for student-athletes. The conversation covers various topics related to college athletes transitioning to professional careers and the challenges they face. The main themes include Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deals, the transfer portal, academic advising for transfer students, the financial implications of transferring, the importance of education and career planning, the benefits of hiring former athletes, and success stories of athletes transitioning to post-sports careers.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to John Harris
02:28 The Genesis of AthLife and Supporting NFL Players
05:48 The Importance of Supporting Athletes' Education and Transition
08:29 Collective Bargaining and Transition Support in Different Leagues
12:57 Success Stories of AthLife's Program
15:29 Career Placement and Networking for Former Athletes
19:00 Challenges and Fears in Athlete Transition
20:00 Supporting Women Athletes in Transition
24:23 The Impact of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) Rights in College Athletics
26:16 The Reality of NIL Opportunities for Student-Athletes
27:22 Navigating the Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) Landscape
28:13 The Challenges of the Transfer Portal
29:11 Academic Advising for Transfer Students
30:39 The Financial Implications of Transferring
35:10 The Importance of Education and Career Planning
38:25 The Benefits of Hiring Former Athletes
42:19 Success Stories of Athletes Transitioning to Post-Sports Careers
45:2417/10/2024
Green Room: Rachel Morgan
Buckle up, folks! This episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast comes straight from the green room at Recfest USA in Nashville, sponsored by Shaker Recruitment Marketing. Chad and Joel sit down with the one and only Rachel Morgan, VP of Client Services at Shaker, to talk about the glamorous world of recruitment marketing—mimosas in hand, of course.
Rachel takes us on a wild ride from her days of wrestling with job boards (RIP SimplyHired) to the modern marvels of programmatic advertising and employer branding. Spoiler alert: AI is still the buzzword, and job seekers are still stuck in application limbo. Rachel drops some truth bombs.
And for you TikTok skeptics out there, prepare to clutch your pearls—yes, people are finding career advice and jobs on the same platform where they learn to dance badly in 15 seconds.
But the real meat of the episode? It’s all about gatekeeping! Want to get your shiny new HR tech in front of Shaker? Be prepared for some "American Idol" realness, where only the best get through.
Enjoy!
12:3214/10/2024
Ep 646: Skills Intelligence
Skills-based organizations and skills-based hiring have been some of the hottest topics of the year. While it is hard to find anyone who disagrees that this way of thinking about talent strategies has enormous benefits, there is still much debate about some of the practicalities around strategy and implementation.
I spoke to two genuine HR thought leaders in my fourth and final set of interviews recorded at this year's HR Technology Conference. Heather Jerrehain, VP of Product Management - Employee Workflows at Service Now, and Mike Bollinger, Global VP of Strategic Initiative at Cornerstone on Demand
Both shared their thoughts and insights on the power of skills, the journey towards skills-based organizations, and their sense of what the future might look like.
In the interviews, we discuss:
The impact of AI on jobs, work, and skills
How AI is revolutionizing skills analysis and intelligence
Using data from the hiring process to get a fuller picture of a person's skills
The power of skills-based mobility
Advice on building skills-based strategies
How to get started
The importance of not overcomplicating the process
What types of organizations are already successfully implementing skills-based strategies
Soft skills versus hard skills
Skills development and the value for employees
Integrating technology into skills-based hiring and development.
What will things look like in five years' time?
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29:2113/10/2024
Ep 645: Recruiting Nirvana
Technology is evolving quickly, and advances in AI are likely to change Talent Acquisition forever. If you are a regular listener to this podcast, you will know that I firmly believe there is an opportunity here to make recruiting better for everyone, with the potential for AI to increase effectiveness, efficiency, and experience exponentially. I call this Recruiting Nirvana. However, other less favorable future scenarios still exist, and there is only a short window of time for TA's future to be in its own hands.
It is critical; then, that TA Leaders keep up to date with the art of the possible when it comes to AI and technology and have a clear vision of the future, they are moving towards.
At the recent HR Technology Conference, I sat down with six practitioners and analysts to find out what they thought the biggest challenges are in TA at the moment, which of the current use cases of AI they feel are most valuable, and, most importantly, what their own vision of Recruiting Nirvana looks like.
In this episode, you will hear from:
Lindsey Sailors, Head of TA Insights & Enablement at Dropbox
Matt Couret, Director of Client Delivery at Hudson RPO
Sarah White, Founder of Aspect 43
Matt Jones, Chief Product Officer at Cieolo Talent
Maureen Clough, Creator and Host of the "It Gets Late Early" podcast
Matt Charney, Editor in Chief at Recruiter.com
A huge thank you to Gem for hosting me at their booth at HR Tech so that I could have these conversations.
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40:1711/10/2024
Indeed Sues ZipRecruiter
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel and Chad discuss a variety of topics including the innovative Waymo self-driving cars, the ongoing rise of podcasting as a cultural force, the surprising business success of Spirit Halloween, and the competitive landscape between Indeed and ZipRecruiter.
They also provide a fantasy football update and discuss recent layoffs at CareerBuilder and Monster following their merger. In this conversation, Chad and Joel discuss the implications of recent mergers and layoffs in the job market, particularly focusing on the acquisition of CareerBuilder and the potential future of job boards. They explore the acquisition of Nomadic Learning by Guild and its impact on talent development.
The discussion then shifts to MrBeast's entry into the employment space with his new hiring platform, Vouch, and the challenges he may face. The conversation concludes with some light-hearted Halloween humor.
Takeaways
Indeed's lawsuit against ZipRecruiter highlights competitive tensions in the job market.
Layoffs at CareerBuilder and Monster were anticipated due to their merger.
The hosts emphasize the importance of clear communication in business.
Podcasting is becoming a significant platform for political figures.
Waymo's user experience is designed to be stress-free and enjoyable.
Indeed's recent actions suggest they are feeling competitive pressure.
Companies may push for resignations to avoid severance costs.
Guild's acquisition of Nomadic Learning enhances their service offerings.
Mr. Beast's entry into the job market could attract creators.
Historical trends show celebrities struggle in the employment space.
The job market is becoming increasingly competitive.
TikTok's data collection strategies are evolving rapidly.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Overview
03:03 - Waymo Experience and Future of Transportation
05:55 - Podcasting's Rise and Cultural Impact
09:06 - Spirit Halloween's Business Model
11:59 - Fantasy Football Update
15:06 - Indeed vs. ZipRecruiter Lawsuit
18:05 - Layoffs at CareerBuilder and Monster
19:46 - The Impact of Mergers and Layoffs
24:31 - Acquisitions and Talent Development
36:13 - MrBeast Enters the Employment Space
41:04 - Halloween Humor and Closing Thoughts
Keywords
Waymo, podcasting, Spirit Halloween, Indeed, ZipRecruiter, layoffs, transportation, fantasy football, AI, business news, mergers, layoffs, acquisitions, talent development, MrBeast, employment, TikTok, Bytespider, AI, job market
42:3811/10/2024
Film Room - James Mims
In this episode, Brian Johnson and Chad Sowash discuss the inspiring story of James Mims, the creator of Mims Bands, a unique product that combines baseball cards with wristbands. They explore the entrepreneurial spirit, the importance of perseverance, and the role of founders in startups, emphasizing the significance of character and vision in achieving success. The conversation highlights Mims' journey, his relationship with mentor Dusty Baker, and his legacy as the only black vendor in Major League Baseball.
Chapters
00:00 The Genesis of Mims Bands
04:46 Entrepreneurial Spirit and Relentlessness
10:23 The Importance of Founders in Startups
12:01 A Legacy of Perseverance and Recognition
12:3610/10/2024
Green Room: Nicole Stephens
In this episode of The Chad and Cheese podcast, recorded live from The Shaker Green Room at Recfest USA, Chad and Joel sit down with Nicole Stephens, Recruitment Marketing Manager at Floor & Decor. Nicole who shares her approach to employer branding and recruitment marketing, focusing on making work environments better and more enjoyable. She emphasizes the importance of doing more with less, offering actionable insights on maximizing impact with zero-dollar budgets.
Nicole also highlights how companies can enhance their candidate experience without spending a fortune, using examples from brands like Microsoft and Duolingo. She digs deep into the challenges talent acquisition professionals face, stressing the need to understand the business and make meaningful changes, rather than focusing solely on metrics like social media likes.
The discussion touches on important topics like employee advocacy, retaining talent, and the critical role of data in recruitment. Nicole shares practical advice on collaborating with other departments, automating processes without losing the human touch, and the importance of taking action, no matter how small. Finally, Nicole’s call to "work like a European" and embrace more holidays underscores her belief that breaks lead to better productivity and creativity.
ENJOY!
26:5209/10/2024
Ep 644: AI, Innovation & HR Tech
Last week, I attended The HR Technology Conference in Las Vegas. The event was full of energy and optimism for the future as hundreds of vendors showcased new AI products and AI integrations. Everyone was playing up the new heights of efficiency and effectiveness AI can take us as an industry.
However, there was much debate about the level of genuine innovation on offer and a sense that rather than thinking radically and reinventing what we do, we were just looking at faster ways of solving old problems that don't live up to AI''s potential to challenge the status quo.
Here are three interviews I recorded at the show to help you make up your own minds about the levels of innovation we are currently seeing.
First up is Allyn Bailey from SmartRecruiters who predicted the rise of recruiterless recruiting on the show last year. I was interested to see how far she thought we had come on that journey and what was going to happen next.
The second interview was with Josh Sklüt, co-founder of MyStandard, who was undoubtedly the vendor trying to be the most disruptive, with a very different way of looking at the relationship between employers and potential employers.
The final interview is a conversation with David Nason, founder and CEO of HireBrain, who seeks to better align hiring managers and recruiters and who were winners of the Pitchfest competition at the conference.
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37:5305/10/2024
ZipRecruiter's Stink Bomb
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese podcast, the hosts discuss various themes including the impact of AI on jobs, innovative job-seeking strategies, the future of job boards like ZipRecruiter and Dice, the dock workers' strike and its economic implications, Amazon's workforce challenges, and the declining usage of condoms among young adults.
Takeaways
AI's impact on jobs is often overstated.
Innovative job-seeking strategies can challenge traditional norms.
The dock workers' strike highlights economic vulnerabilities.
Amazon's new policies may lead to significant turnover.
Condom usage is declining due to advancements in birth control.
Job boards must adapt to survive in a changing market.
Raising wages is essential for economic health.
The future of work is increasingly influenced by technology.
Networking events like HR Tech are crucial for industry connections.
Understanding market dynamics is key for job boards.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Themes
02:04 - Reflections on HR Tech and Networking
06:01 - Innovative Job Seeking Strategies
10:01 - The Impact of AI on Employment
16:01 - The Future of Job Boards: ZipRecruiter and Dice
35:09 - Dock Workers Strike and Economic Implications
43:57 - Amazon's Workforce Challenges
46:59 - Declining Condom Usage and Societal Changes
Keywords
AI, job market, HR Tech, employment trends, ZipRecruiter, Dice, dock workers, Amazon, condom usage, economic impact, Butler America, Harold Dagget, Courtney Summer Myers, Gia Johnston, HR Gumbo, Outsolve, Paradox, FactoryFix, Keeyora, Bullhorn, Maersk
48:3504/10/2024
Round Up September 2024
Round up is the monthly show on The Recruiting Future Podcast channel that highlights episodes you may have missed and gives you my take on some of the key learnings from the guests.
Episodes mentioned in this Round Up:
Ep 639: Inclusive Interviews Inspired By NASA
Ep 640: What Is The Value Of TA?
Ep 641: How Is TA Evolving?
Ep 642: Augmenting Talent Acquisition
Ep 643: Career Activism
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10:3203/10/2024
Chasing James Mims
In this episode of *Talent Chasing*, hosted by Brian Johnson and Chad Sowash, the focus is on entrepreneur James Mims and his journey in founding Mims Bands, a wristband company that has become an iconic part of Major League Baseball (MLB) history.
James shares how, as a senior at the University of Southern California, he came up with the idea for personalized wristbands for athletes, starting with a prototype for baseball player Dusty Baker. Over time, Mims Bands became widely recognized, worn by many notable MLB players like Eric Davis and Tim Raines. Despite facing numerous challenges, including resistance from MLB and the Players Association, Mims persevered and got his product used by over 130 players.
Mims reflects on the obstacles he faced as a Black entrepreneur, from difficulties gaining access to stadiums to dealing with legal battles. The conversation also highlights how Mims promoted individualism in a highly structured sport like baseball. Brian and Chad emphasize the lessons from his experience, particularly around persistence, relationships, and the critical role of talent in both sports and business.
The episode ends with a discussion of Mims' major accomplishments, including his partnership with Topps and the induction of his product into the Baseball Hall of Fame, cementing his legacy in the sport.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:19 Taking a Risk: Going for Your Unique Idea
08:11 Empowering Athletes through Individualism
14:54 The Lack of Player Marketing in Baseball
19:55 Breaking Barriers: The First Black Vendor in Baseball
23:57 Navigating Challenges and Building a Successful Business
37:50 The Journey of Mims Bands: Perseverance and Success
47:34 Overcoming Challenges with the Major League Baseball Players Association
59:42 The Power of Individualism in the Sports Industry
01:05:07 From Tops Project 70 to the Hall of Fame: A Pinnacle Achievement
01:00:2703/10/2024
An Employment Pro's Job Search Journey w/ Allison King
Allison King, VP of People Operations at Sound Physicians, shares her experience and insights on job searching and personal branding on LinkedIn. She emphasizes the importance of creating a strong LinkedIn profile and being active on the platform to build a professional network and showcase your skills and interests.
Allison also discusses her approach to job applications, including reaching out to connections for support and leveraging LinkedIn Jobs. She highlights the value of being strategic in your outreach and making specific requests for assistance. Additionally, Alison shares her thoughts on job boards and the application process, recommending a focus on LinkedIn for professionals and entry level jobs, new grads alike.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Welcome
02:56 - Allison's Journey and Background
06:49 - Using ChatGPT for Resume and LinkedIn
09:57 - The Power of LinkedIn and Green Banner
12:41 - Content Creation and Networking on LinkedIn
15:36 - Navigating the Job Search Process
19:58 - ATS and Technology in Job Applications
24:10 - Job Boards and LinkedIn for Job Search
26:30 - Advice for New Grads and Early Career Professionals
28:21 - Conclusion and Contact Information
Keywords
job search, personal branding, LinkedIn, networking, job boards, application process, new grands, entry level jobs, job search tips, indeed jobs, ziprecruiter job search, LinkedIn tips, LinkedIn Green Banner, Open to Work
31:0430/09/2024
Ep 643: Career Activism
With labor markets still undergoing unprecedented shifts and volatility, employers are increasingly strengthening their focus on retention and internal mobility. However, the shrinking life span of skills, changing attitudes to work, and the rise of AI are complicating factors here. So, how can employers ensure they support their employees' future development and drive internal mobility at a time of significant change that renders traditional career pathing irrelevant?
My guest this week is JC Townend, CEO at LHH for the UK and Ireland. JC is a strong advocate of Career Activism, giving employees the tools they need to advance their careers in the way that makes the most sense for them. This can drive retention, supercharge internal mobility, and help ensure employers have the right skills available at the right time.
In the interview, we discuss:
Labor market trends
Why HR should be building for the future for right now
What is Career Activism
The end of linear career paths
Giving employees the tools to advance their own careers
Switching disciplines and industries
A mindset shift
Gig assignments
Building brand and reputation
Hidden jobs markets
Skilling for retention
What are the benefits for employers?
The impact of AI on jobs and careers
What will work and careers look like in 3 years time?
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25:0429/09/2024
Film Room: Angela Taylor
*Film Room* is a podcast series under the *Talent Chasing* show, hosted by Brian Johnson, a former Major League Baseball player, and Chad Sowash, a recruitment industry veteran. In this episode, the hosts break down key moments from their interview with Angela Taylor, a former WNBA executive and two-time national champion at Stanford University.
The discussion revolves around Angela’s experience helping to establish the WNBA and navigating the early challenges of building a new professional sports league. She reflects on the differences between the NBA and WNBA, emphasizing how the women’s league had to carve out its unique identity rather than mimic the NBA. The conversation also touches on leadership, with Angela sharing insights about the unrelenting leadership of NBA Commissioner David Stern, who was instrumental in the early development of the WNBA. The hosts highlight how Stern’s approach of holding people accountable while fostering long-term vision contributed to the league's success.
In addition to sports, the episode draws parallels with business, exploring themes such as the importance of long-term planning, mentorship, and the role of companies in supporting local communities and developing talent. The hosts emphasize that both sports teams and businesses must balance analytics and human capital, ensuring that leaders cultivate and retain talent from within their communities while adapting to broader market demands.
Overall, the episode showcases the intersections of leadership, team dynamics, and strategic foresight, drawing valuable lessons from Angela Taylor's experiences in the WNBA and beyond.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Talent Chasing
01:02 Angela Taylor's Journey in Sports
06:09 Lessons from David Stern's Leadership
12:16 Community Engagement and Talent Development
17:10 The Balance of Analytics and Human Capital
17:5226/09/2024
Google, StepStone, and Europe's Shifting Job Market
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, the boys discuss various topics related to the recruiting industry in Europe and beyond, including recent news about Google and StepStone, shout outs to industry players, and a deep dive into the dynamics of European media and classifieds businesses. They also analyze legal battles involving JobIndex and Google, and engage in a 'Buy or Sell' segment featuring startups like SkillVue, Jobbilla, and Flowit, providing insights into their potential in the market.
Hot Takes
The recruiting industry is facing significant changes due to technology and investment.
Shout outs highlight the importance of community and collaboration in the industry.
Media and classifieds businesses are undergoing major transformations with new ownership structures.
Legal battles, such as Job Index vs. Google, reflect the complexities of the digital job market.
SkillView aims to address the skills gap with innovative AI solutions.
Jobbilla's approach to recruitment lacks unique offerings in a competitive market.
Flowit focuses on employee retention through real-time feedback, but raises concerns about the role of managers.
The hosts emphasize the need for human interaction in employee engagement strategies.
Investments in startups reflect the growing importance of technology in recruitment.
The podcast encourages listeners to stay informed and engaged with industry developments.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Context
02:54 - Shout Outs and Industry News
05:58 - Media and Classifieds Business Dynamics
09:06 - JobIndex vs. Google: Legal Battles
11:56 - Buy or Sell: SkillVue
23:53 - Buy or Sell: Jobbilla
30:04 - Buy or Sell: Flowit
37:2125/09/2024
Unconscious Inclusion with Stacey Gordon
In this conversation, Joel and Chad interview Stacey Gordon, founder and principal consultant at Rework Work, about unconscious inclusion, skills-based hiring, and the politicization of DEI.
Stacey emphasizes the importance of actively working towards unconscious inclusion. She discusses the need for dialogue and open conversations to bridge the gap between different perspectives. Stacey also addresses the challenges of changing mindsets and the role of education in DEI.
She highlights the benefits of skills-based hiring for diversity and inclusion and the need for ongoing training and implementation. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the politicization of DEI and the importance of shifting mindsets in the workplace.
Takeaways
Unconscious inclusion is the goal of DEI, where people are included without conscious effort or bias.
Skills-based hiring can be a powerful tool for diversity and inclusion, as it focuses on the qualifications and abilities of candidates rather than their background or identity.
Changing mindsets is crucial for progress in DEI, and ongoing education and training are necessary to shift perspectives and behaviors.
The politicization of DEI can hinder progress, and it is important to have open conversations and bridge the gap between different perspectives.
DEI is not limited to race, gender, or sexual orientation, but encompasses all aspects of identity, including socioeconomic status, religion, and language barriers.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Welcome
03:01 - Unconscious Inclusion: The Goal of DEI
08:11 - The Politicization of DEI: Challenges and Opportunities
11:21 - Changing Mindsets: The Key to Progress in DEI
18:45 - Bridging the Gap: Open Conversations and Different Perspectives
24:14 -The Power of Skills-Based Hiring for Diversity and Inclusion
27:26 - DEI Beyond Race and Gender: Embracing All Aspects of Identity
30:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action
Keywords
unconscious inclusion, skills-based hiring, DEI, politicization, diversity, inclusion, mindsets, education
32:4923/09/2024
Ep 642: Augmenting Talent Acquisition
Most conversations about AI in talent acquisition focus on efficiencies and automating repetitive tasks. However, we are missing the point if we don't start talking about how AI could help reshape recruiting entirely, making it more efficient but also more effective. Why stop at recruiting? AI could revolutionize work and the whole way we think about careers.
The current limitations of our thinking were really brought home to me when I attended the SmartRecruiters Hiring Success conference last week in Amsterdam. An overarching theme was that automation is a given with AI, and we should think much bigger.
So, what does this mean for TA strategies, and how can TA Leaders ensure they proactively shape the future direction of recruiting?
My guest this week is Brian Solis, Head of Global Innovation at ServiceNow. He is also an internationally renowned digital anthropologist and award-winning author. Brian gave the opening keynote at Hiring Success, and I caught up with him after he left the stage to get his thoughts on the current state of the AI revolution and the future of talent acquisition.
In the interview, we discuss
Where is the Gen AI revolution?
New behaviors, skills, and expectations
How are companies responding?
Empowering people with augmented intelligence
How can we think differently?
AI-enabled job seekers
Using an empathetic lens to identify quick wins
Differentiated use cases and transformational initiatives
The importance of the human touch
Three things TA leaders should be doing right now
What should recruiting look like in five years?
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26:0920/09/2024
Indeed Says, 'Let Them Eat Cake' | LinkedIn Gets TikTok'd, 'Verified'
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel and industry veteran Emi Beredugo discuss various topics including LinkedIn's new features, the impact of layoffs in the recruiting industry, and the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. They also delve into the recent merger of CareerBuilder and Monster, and Indeed's decision to remove free features from company pages. The conversation is filled with personal anecdotes, industry insights, and a light-hearted approach to serious topics. Ya' know, like always.
Takeaways
Emi is the senior manager of Recruiting Enablement at Elastic.
LinkedIn is launching new features to enhance user engagement.
The importance of DEI is being overshadowed by RTO policies.
Indeed is removing free features from company pages, which may alienate smaller companies.
The merger of CareerBuilder and Monster may not significantly impact the job market.
Layoffs in the recruiting industry are affecting many employees.
LinkedIn's verified job feature aims to improve job seeker safety.
Video interviewing solutions are becoming more common in recruitment processes.
The podcast hosts emphasize the need for inclusivity in hiring practices.
Personal stories and humor are integral to the podcast's appeal.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Guest Introduction
02:25 - Emi's Background and Role
04:03 - Shout Outs and Personal Stories
11:33 - Layoff News and Industry Updates
12:55 - LinkedIn's New Features Discussion
27:52 - Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) and Return to Office (RTO) Policies
34:59 - Indeed's Changes to Company Pages
37:58 - CareerBuilder and Monster Merger Discussion
41:5020/09/2024
Chasing Angela Taylor
Angela Taylor, former VP and GM of the Washington Mystics and Atlanta Dream, discusses her journey from being a walk-on at Stanford to her successful career in the WNBA and women's sports. She highlights the importance of sports in her life and the challenges she faced as a woman in the industry. Taylor also discusses the growth of women's sports, the progress made in the WNBA, and the need for continued support and push for equality. Angela Taylor, former WNBA executive, discusses her role in player personnel and the growth of the league. Taylor shares insights on leadership, creating a winning culture, and managing talent in the WNBA.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background of Angela Taylor
03:01 From Walk-On to Stanford and the Importance of Sports
08:37 Growing Up in Mountain Home, Idaho
11:31 Military Life and the Impact on Angela's Family
16:17 The Early Days of the WNBA and the Current State of Women's Sports
24:43 The Push for Equality and Recognition in Women's Sports
30:25 Building the WNBA: From Single Entity to Team Ownership
35:24 Shifting Focus: From Wins to Community Engagement
43:35 Transitioning from Single Entity to Team Ownership
48:38 NBA Players' Support of the WNBA
51:34 Creating an Environment of Retention
54:49 Culture, Puzzle Pieces, and Jersey Sales
57:30 Leadership and Creating a Winning Culture
01:00:12 Managing Talent in the WNBA: Vision, Culture, and Roster Construction
Keywords
Angela Taylor, WNBA, women's sports, Stanford, walk-on, basketball, sports industry, equity, growth, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, WNBA, player personnel, single entity, team ownership, recruiting, relationships, community engagement, sports culture, corporate America, leadership, winning culture, talent management
57:4019/09/2024
Startups: UK vs US with Gareth Marlow
In this episode, Joel and Chad interview Gareth Marlow, an executive coach and consultant at EQ Systems. They discuss various topics including Gareth's background, the differences between Cambridge and Oxford, their favorite sci-fi movies, and Gareth's work with startups. Gareth explains his role in helping organizations scale and achieve product-market fit.
They also touch on the common problem of startups creating solutions for non-existent problems and the importance of customer orientation and research. In this conversation, Gareth Marlow discusses the challenges and strategies for companies looking to expand internationally, specifically between the UK and the US.
He emphasizes the importance of understanding the cultural differences and nuances in each market, as well as the need for localized go-to-market strategies. Gareth also highlights the significance of working with local experts and building strong relationships to navigate the fundraising process. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the rapid advancements in technology and the potential for democratizing waves in AI and low-code development.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Small Talk
02:57 - Differences Between Cambridge and Oxford
09:29 - Gareth's Role in Scaling Organizations
11:49 - Challenges of Scaling and Going Beyond 500 Employees
13:14 - Startups Creating Solutions for Non-Existent Problems
15:03 - Importance of Customer Orientation and Research
15:09 - Introduction and the Problem Space
16:00 - Expanding in America and Europe: Different Approaches
18:20 - Building Footholds and Organic Growth
20:40 - One Size Does Not Fit All
22:41 - Go-to-Market Strategies and Team Dynamics
26:50 -Red Flags and Warning Signs for Startups
28:25 -Fundraising Tips and Differences in Investment
31:11 -The Potential of Technology Advancements
Keywords
Gareth Marlow, executive coach, consultant, EQ Systems, Cambridge, Oxford, sci-fi movies, startups, product-market fit, customer orientation, research, international expansion, UK, US, cultural differences, go-to-market strategies, fundraising, technology advancements, AI, low-code development
35:0816/09/2024
Ep 641: How Is TA Evolving?
If you've listened to the last few episodes of the podcast, you'll know that TA Transformation is the current big theme on the show. We've focused a lot on the future, but what about the practicalities of the present?
Today's talent acquisition leaders face an ever-growing list of priorities on top of their already demanding roles. From enhancing candidate experience to integrating AI and from improving diversity and inclusion metrics to establishing more agile operating models, the pressures are immense.
So what progress are TA teams making, and how do they benchmark against each other?
My guest this week is Rachel Dalboth, Director of the TA Centre of Excellence at The Talent Labs. Based on Talent Labs research, Rachel offers insights into how TA teams are dealing with their current challenges. She also shares her thoughts on the skills for future TA Teams and the vital importance of investing in development.
In the interview, we discuss:
Current priorities in talent acquisition
Trends and issues with operating models
What is holding TA back from being seen as more strategic?
Connecting the dots across the talent function
What is the unique value of TA?
How are measurements and metrics evolving?
The impact of AI
Fear, nervousness, and reticence
Prioritising experience over process
Skills development and career paths
What does the next 12 months look like?
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28:0913/09/2024
Ep 640: What Is The Value Of TA?
The unprecedented volatility in the Talent Acquisition jobs market in the last three years illustrates that many organizations still see TA as a transactional function turned on or off according to hiring demand.
This is a big problem. While the development of ever more sophisticated AI promises much for TA, it also represents an existential threat to the survival of any business function seen as transactional and easy to automate.
So, how can talent acquisition prove its value to the business and live up to its enormous strategic potential? Perhaps the first step would be to understand that value properly.
My guest this week is Toby Culshaw, Global Head Of Pipeline Strategy & Intelligence at Amazon Worldwide stores. Toby publishes a lot of thought-provoking content about the future of TA and has strong views on how TA should position its value within the enterprise.
In the interview, we discuss:
Talent Acquisition's significant challenges
What is holding change back and why TA is at risk
What TA does versus its actual value to the business
Evolution or revolution?
Taking a tiered approach to TA operations
Breaking down silos in HR
Taking a consultative and advisory role
Adopting new, more meaningful metrics and KPIs
Advice for TA leaders on where to get standard
"Talent Nexus" and a future outlook of even more significant change and disruption
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36:3512/09/2024
Ep 639: Inclusive Interviews Inspired By NASA
Job interviews have always been a source of anxiety for many people. The pressure of showcasing your achievements to a stranger in an unnaturally structured conversation is not easy, and for many neuro-diverse people, it is pretty much impossible. The use of Ansychromous video interviews has helped the situation in some ways but doesn't provide the opportunity for real-time conversation and exploration, which is critical in the later stages of the recruiting process.
Could a methodology initially designed to combat communication delays in space travel offer a solution that bridges the gap between synchronous and asynchronous interviewing in a way that is inclusive for everyone?
My guest week is Rob Brougham, Director & Co-Founder of Braided Communications. Rob worked with NASA to develop a unique way of helping astronauts have real-time conversations with people back on Earth on future missions to the moon and Mars. He is now using the same technology to make the recruiting process more inclusive and effective. So how does this all work? Just keep listening to find out more.
In the interview, we discuss:
A simple way of defying the laws of physics in space travel
How Braiding works
Making the asynchronous synchronous.
Co-presence and connection
The importance of inclusive communication
Applications in talent acquisition
Making interviews real-time and inclusive
What does the future of business communication look like?
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23:3606/09/2024
Shuck Up! Oyster Makes Pearls with Latest Raise
With Chad jet lagged from his trip back home from Portugal, Work It Daily's J.T. O'Donnell fills in.
The main themes include the changing expectations of job seekers, the importance of authenticity and authentication in employer branding, the impact of AI and automation on job applications, the rise of video in recruitment, the role of social media in employee activism, and the right to disconnect from work. The conversation also touches on the cooling labor market and the challenges faced by job seekers in finding suitable employment.
What's more? Joel and J.T. discuss various topics related to employment and the workforce. They touch on the impact of the economy on different age groups, the future of recruiting, the rise of remote work, and the challenges of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace. They also discuss the launch of LinkedIn's podcast aimed at Gen Z and the controversy surrounding an ageist report by Indeed.
Takeaways
Job seekers now expect the job to find them, thanks to the influence of platforms like TikTok.
Authenticity is important, but job seekers also want authentication to ensure that employers are who they say they are.
Video is becoming a crucial tool in recruitment, allowing job seekers to showcase their skills and employers to provide an authentic view of their company.
Job seekers are using social media to document and validate their experiences, challenging traditional power dynamics in the workplace.
The right to disconnect from work is becoming increasingly important, especially for younger generations who prioritize work-life balance. The economy has different impacts on different age groups, with younger individuals facing challenges in finding employment and older individuals experiencing age discrimination.
The future of recruiting is uncertain, with the rise of AI and automation potentially reducing job opportunities in certain sectors.
Remote work is becoming more prevalent and offers opportunities for individuals to have flexible and fractional careers.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts in companies are facing challenges and pushback, with some companies scaling back their initiatives.
LinkedIn's launch of a podcast aimed at Gen Z reflects the growing importance of podcasts as a medium for professional content.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Overview
01:34 - Introducing J.T. O'Donnell and her Background
02:21 - The Changing Expectations of Job Seekers
03:45 - The Importance of Authenticity and Authentication in Employer Branding
06:33 - The Rise of Video in Recruitment
07:59 - The Role of Social Media in Employee Activism
08:46 - The Right to Disconnect from Work
09:57 - The Cooling Labor Market and Challenges for Job Seekers
24:42 - The Impact of the Economy on Different Age Groups
27:24 - The Future of Recruiting and the Rise of AI
28:56 - The Opportunities and Challenges of Remote Work
37:46 - The Challenges of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
48:17 - LinkedIn's Podcast Aimed at Gen Z
Keywords
job market, job seekers, authenticity, authentication, AI, automation, video, social media, employee activism, right to disconnect, labor market, employment, workforce, economy, ageism, recruiting, remote work, diversity, equity, inclusion, LinkedIn, podcast
54:4706/09/2024
Round Up August 2024
Round Up is the monthly show on The Recruiting Future Podcast channel that highlights episodes you may have missed and gives you my take on some of the key learnings from the guests.
Episodes mentioned in this Round Up:
Ep 631: Science, AI & Assessment
Ep 632: Attracting, Retaining, and Empowering Gen Z Talent
Ep 633: The Strategic Importance Of Wellbeing
Ep 634: Work Before Talent
Ep 635: Transform Talent Acquisition
Ep 636: Hiring & Retaining Innovators
Ep 637: Reinventing The ATS For A New Era
Ep 638: Reskilling For AI
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15:0305/09/2024
Firing Squad: Worklik's Yehuda Beller
Yehuda Beller, co-founder and CRO at Worklik joins the Chad and Cheese podcast for a session of Firing Squad. WorkLik is a video-based job platform that aims to improve the candidate experience and connect job seekers with employers. They focus on hourly workers and Gen Z job seekers who are tired of the traditional hiring process. They've raised $2.5 million in seed funding and are planning to raise a Series A round soon. They offer a pay-per-match model, where employers only pay when they match with a qualified candidate. Sounds familiar, but do they have something unique enough to make it out alive? Gotta listen.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
05:05 - The Name and Funding
06:15 - The Relevance of Video Resumes
07:51 - Funding and Advisory Board
09:13 - Background and Expertise of the Leadership Team
12:00 - Creating Video Intros and Work History
13:30 - Target Audience and User Experience
14:16 - Video Resumes and Risk Assessment
17:04 - Matching Candidates with Job Requirements
18:46 - Focus on Hourly Work and Part-Time Jobs
21:41 - Improving the Candidate Experience
24:43 - Emphasizing the Human Connection
26:13 - Engaging Candidates Through Chat Messaging
29:46 - Expanding Reach Through Social Media
35:16 - Pay-Per-Match: A Cost-Effective Model
42:2904/09/2024
Ep 638: Reskilling For AI
It’s been a tough couple of years for Talent Acquisition. There was a time during the post-pandemic hiring wave when companies were struggling to recruit enough recruiters. Now, the situation is the polar opposite, with TA teams shrinking and many recruiters being laid off. In such economically uncertain times, it’s difficult to determine whether AI is starting to be a factor that impacts jobs in TA. However, based on current adoption rates, it’s probably fair to say that AI is still only a minor contributor to the overall situation.
But this is quickly going to change. As employers start to look at transforming TA over the longer term, AI and automation will inevitably play a significant role in shaping the TA teams of the future.
This raises important questions about job displacement and reskilling. These are not just questions that AI raises for TA; they are questions that span the entire organization, with a strong likelihood that all jobs will be impacted in some way.
So, how can employers prepare their workforce for these impending changes, and what is the likely split between job replacement, job enhancement, and job creation?
My guest this week is Kamal Ahluwalia, President of Ikigai Labs and former President of Eightfold AI. Kamal has extremely well-informed insights on AI’s impact on jobs and skills and valuable advice for employers and employees.
In the interview, we discuss:
The impact of AI on work and jobs
Jobs eliminated, jobs changed, jobs created
Building scenarios for the future
The critical importance of data
How should employers be responding
What is the role of HR and TA?
Evolving processes to meet new objectives
Reskilling and upskilling
How do employers encourage people to learn new skills?
What will work be like in five years?
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30:0830/08/2024
iCIMS & SmartRecruiters CEO Divergence
This week, the boys are doing their best Charles Dickens impressions, but instead of two cities, they're waxing poetic about the tale of two applicant tracking systems: SmartRecruiers and iCIMS. One is making all the right moves, while the other one, well, not-so-much. Then it's on to Amazon, whose new Amazon Q technology is taking the world by storm ... and possibly putting a lot of developers out of work. Yikes!
Then it's time for a little Buy-or-Sell, featuring Pangeam, Micro1 and Workpay. More disagreement this time than usual, so hopefully you like fireworks. And if you don't like fireworks, hopefully you like chicken, becauase Chick-fil-A is back in the news. And speaking of chicken, don't even get Chad started on Chicken Cock Whiskey ... you just need to listen.
Chapters
01:00 - Euro Chad goes deep
03:40 - Chicken Cock Whiskey
05:18 - Oasis, PeralJam and Xers
08:25 - Kelce's New Heights rein in $100m
12:00 - Fantasy Football
14:15 - CEO Divergence
20:01 - iCIMS: Potential Acquisition Strategy and Layoffs
21:01 - SmartRecruiters: Industry Knowledge and Global Expansion
21:14 - Impact of CEO Changes on Global Growth Strategies
21:30 - Comparing iCIMS and SmartRecruiters
27:36 - The Impact of Amazon Q
34:54 - Recent Funding: Pangem, Micro One, and Workpay
43:32 - Chick-fil-A's Misadventure in the Streaming Market
Keywords
SmartRecruiters, iCIMS, CEO changes, acquisitions, layoffs, global growth strategy, iCIMS, SmartRecruiters, HR tech, AI, software development, Amazon Q, Pangem, Micro One, Workpay, Chick-fil-A, streaming platform
46:5430/08/2024
Ep 637: Reinventing the ATS for a New Era
TA Transformation has been a recurring theme on this podcast in recent months. A unique combination of macro and micro forces is driving the need for substantial change, compelling TA leaders to respond swiftly and strategically. Technology, particularly AI and automation, is very much at the heart of this transformation.
But what does this mean for established ATS vendors? How are they adapting to the evolving market landscape, and how are their product strategies being shaped to anticipate the future?
My guest this week is Rebecca Carr, the newly appointed CEO of SmartRecruiters. Previously serving as SmartRecruiters’ Chief Product Officer, Rebecca offers insight into the importance of a product-led approach in these rapidly changing times. She also shares her perspectives on the urgency of accelerating the leap from traditional ATS to the next generation of hiring solutions.
In the interview, we discuss:
The current state of the market
Rethinking hiring
The growing importance of hiring manager experience
Why being product-focused is important in the current market.
Accelerating the leap from second-generation ATS to third-generation hiring platform
The impact of uncertainty around legislation and regulation
AI education and adoption
Adaptability and agility
Advice to TA Leader on designing technology strategies
What does the future look like
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33:0529/08/2024
Bullhorn Defense with Matt Fischer
Matt Fischer, President and COO of Bullhorn, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss the evolution of Bullhorn and the future of the recruiting industry. Fischer shares his background and how he got into the staffing and tech industry. He also talks about the importance of AI in recruiting and how it can optimize the human element of the job. The conversation covers Bullhorn's recent acquisition of Textkernel and the benefits it brings to the company. Fischer also discusses Bullhorn's marketplace and venture investments, as well as the state of the staffing industry.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
02:58 - Bullhorn's Evolution and Acquisition of Textkernel
08:39 - The Importance of Bullhorn's Marketplace and Venture Investments
11:05 - The State of the Staffing Industry
16:08 - No Immediate Plans for an IPO: Focus on Private Equity Sponsors
Keywords
Matt Fischer, Bullhorn, recruiting industry, AI, Textkernel, marketplace, venture investments, staffing industry
31:1728/08/2024