Today we talk with author J. Budziszewski, scholar and professor of Philosophy at the University of Texas at Austin about his new book: How and How Not to Be Happy. J Budziszewski takes us through his journey to happiness and in what ways we should define the meaning of happiness.Learn More About our Guest:Author J. Budziszewskihttps://www.regnery.com/9781684511075/how-and-how-not-to-be-happy/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you again for listening to beyond the big screen podcast. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Jay Buddha. Shefsky author of how and how not to be happy links to learn more about Jay Buddha Shefsky can be found in the show notes.You can now support beyond the big screen on Patrion by joining on Patrion. You help keep beyond the big screen going and get many great benefits. Go over to patrion.com/beyond the big screen to learn more. And of course a special, thanks goes out to our patron, Alex, at the executive producer level, we are a member of the Parthenon podcast network.You can learn more about great shows like professor James [00:01:00] Earley's key data's of American history podcast. By going over to Parthenon podcast.com you of course can learn more about beyond the big screen, great movies and stories. So great. They should be movies by. Going over to our website, a twosie history page.com.I thank you again for joining me behind the big screen.

Today we are joined by Shawn Warwick, host of The American History Podcast to look at the 1941 Japanese attack on the United States at Pearl Harbor. We will discuss the infamous incident from many different and unconventional angles. Shawn will also share his views on the movie 2001 Pearl Harbor and how he attended the premiere of the film on the USS John Stennis aircraft carrier!Learn More About our Guest:Shawn Warwick, host of The American History Podcastwww.theamericanhistorypodcast.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By Kogo - Own work, GFDL, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3936577Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Shawn Warwick, host of The American History Podcast. Links to learn more about Shawn and his podcast can be found at www.theamericanhistorypodcast.com or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen to learn more.A special thanks goes out to Alex at the Executive Producer level!Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network featuring great shows like: Josh Cohen’s Eyewitness History can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.

Today we are joined again by Professor James Early of the Key Battles of American History Podcast to talk about the 1998 World War 2 film, The Thin Red Line. This is a controversial movie. It completely breaks the commonly held ideas about what a war movie should be. Is The Thin Red Line what a movie about war really should be? Learn More About our Guest:James Early, host of Key Battles of American History PodcastKeybattlesofamericanhistory.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3154194Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to James Early of the Key Battles of American History podcast. Links to learn more about James and his podcast can be found at keybattlesofamericanhistory.com or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen to learn more.A special thanks goes out to Alex at the Executive Producer level!Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network featuring great shows like: our guest James Early’s Key Battles of American History Podcast can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.

Title: A Penny Saved, A Penny Earned and the Last Bet of Benjamin FranklinDescription: Today we are joined by Michael Meyer, author of Benjamin Franklin’s Last Bet. Benjamin Franklin died in 1790, but his legacy lives on to this day. One particularly important part of his legacy is a trust he left to the people of Boston and Philadelphia. This trust grew financially, but like much of Benjamin Franklin’s history, it is not well known.Original Publication Date: Learn More About our Guest:Michael Meyer, Author of Benjamin Franklin’s Last Bethttps://inmanchuria.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Michael Meyer, author of Benjamin Franklin’s Last Bet. Links to learn more about Michael Meyer and his books can be found at his website inmanchuria.com or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen to learn more.A special thanks goes out to Alex at the Executive Producer level!Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network featuring great shows like: Scott Rank’s History Unplugged Podcast can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.Benjamin Franklin[00:00:00] I am very excited to have Michael Meyer on the show today to talk about, uh, one of the largest and most charismatic characters in American history. Benjamin Franklin, Michael Meyer is author of Benjamin Franklins. Last bet. The favorite founding fathers, divisive death, and during afterlife and blueprint for American prosperity.Michael is the author of numerous books and articles. He was a Fulbright scholar and a professor. And is a professor of nonfiction writing at the university of Pittsburgh. Thank you, Michael so much for joining me to talk about the amazing life and afterlife of Benjamin Franklin. It's an honor to be here.Thanks for having me. I have a, kind of a personal story about some of the things you've talked about. I lived in Philadelphia for a while and I would walk by Benjamin Franklin's grave almost [00:01:00] every day to meet my. For a work and it just almost became like a normal thing. I think a good place to start is what's maybe the standard telling if you had to tell somebody who's maybe not from the U S and give them a broad overview of who is Benjamin Franklin.That's a great question. He was large and contain multitudes. Um, you know, you can divide his, like he lived quite a long time, you know, he's, he, he straddled the 18th century, so he was 84 years old and the first 42 years of his life are devoted to business and he's, you know, he would never call himself self-made he was an autodidact for sure.Uh, you know, apprentice in a print shop and in his father's candle making shop in Boston fled his brother. Got down to Philadelphia on a boat. Um, and then, you know, became the legendary Benjamin Franklin worked as a printer, um, benefited greatly from his wife's, uh, assistance and her [00:02:00] family. Um, and as he was being an entrepreneur in Philadelphia with his print shop and starting the Pennsylvania Gazette newspaper, which became the.The newspaper and the colonies and poor Richard's Almanac. Um, he's also tinkering, he's an inveterate tinkerer. He's always looking to improve things around his house. Um, he invents things as you know, various as, uh, the lightning rod, the catheter. Swim fins. Um, he invents a musical instrument called the harmonium.He perfects the odometer. And I think one thing really interesting about him is that he refused, there was no patent office at that time, but he could have applied for a exclusive commercial license for his inventions, but he felt very strongly that as we benefit from the technology, others. Others should benefit from our own technology.And so I think we could credit him as a forerunner of the open source movement as well. So at age 42, he retires from business [00:03:00] and he decides to devote himself almost wholly to philanthropy and starts a great number of charitable causes that you walking around Philadelphia could still see. Uh, the Pennsylvania hospital is still there.The Philadelphia academy, which became the university of Pennsylvania is still there. The American philosophical society is still there. The great library next to independence hall, and then find the last act of Franklin's life is he becomes a diplomat. Um, he spent nearly 30 years of his life as she is his older years overseas living in either London or in Paris.Uh, the latter time, you know, lobbying on behalf to try to attract French support for. Uh, the war, um, and then, you know, his last dying act, he had two great. Penn strokes to end his life. The first was he presented the first petition for the abolishment of slavery to the Senate. Franklin was a slave owner.His family held up to seven slaves, uh, that worked in his print shop and around the house, um, uniquely among founders. Old people in [00:04:00] general, he became more progressive as he aged, um, and realized that that, that his slave owning was, uh, a mark on his, on his legacy. And he wanted to repudiate that. And of course, after fighting for Liberty, it was hypocritical to say, well, we should still have the slave trade in the liberated United States.That was one thing he did. The second thing he did, which we're going to talk about today is he added a final codicil to his will. Um, uh, a dying bet as. On the survival of working class trades people for the next 200 years, it's really interesting that he was born in Boston in the early 17 hundreds. And then he moved to Philadelphia and those are two areas that had really stark different, uh, cultures and just everything.It's almost like a moving to a foreign country in a lot of ways for him. One made Franklin move from. From Boston [00:05:00] to Philadelphia, he was in denture to his older brother and he hated the work he wanted to get out of it so badly. And so a couple of years into his indenture dump in dentures, um, he fled, he ran away.It was illegal at time, but he still broke, uh, the bond. Uh, he hoped to go to New York city. That was the thought in New York was smaller than Philadelphia at the time. Um, Broadway was still a cattle trail if, if, if it even existed at that time, but he ended up continuing onward to Philadelphia, which you're right.These are polar opposites. These towns, you know, Boston known for its academies, um, for its genteel society, very old England sort of sore, you know, Puritan driven. Whereas Philadelphia was a bustling. And became the largest city in the United States and the colonial America as well while Franklin was living there.And then in the United States, much more diverse, uh, much more entrepreneurial in spirit, you know, in the book, I talk about how you can [00:06:00] trace a lot of the men who knew Franklin's father, you know, a hundred years ago, those descendants were the new mayors of Boston. You know, the Quincy's Quincy, the fourth and Quincy.Whereas in Philadelphia, you know, the person they elected to serve as mayor 16 times was a person who, uh, professed hated learning and had apprentice as a Hatter. It was just a very, very different, um, a very, very different backdrop. You're right. And I think had, had Franklin stayed in Boston. He couldn't have become the entrepreneur inventor.Um, and diplomat, you know, sort of statesman that he became, he also spent some time in London. What did, uh, what was he doing in London? How did he get to London? And what did that maybe add to his character? I think, you know, how did they get to London the first time around? It was really carelessness when he was a young man that had, had landed in Philadelphia.

Title: Settling Grudges with Turkeys and More from Early American HistoryDescription: Today we are joined by Sarah Tanksalvala of the Rejects and Revolutionaries The Origins of America Podcast to talk about some of the strangest and most surprising episodes from pre-Revolutionary American History. Sarah will tell us Gunpowder Plot organizers, the last battle of the English Civil War and other fascinating and less known facts of early American history.Original Publication Date: Learn More About our Guest:Sarah Tanksalvala host of Rejects and Revolutionaries: The Origins of AmericaPodcasthttps://americanhistorypodcast.net/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Sarah Tanksalvala of the Rejects and Revolutionaries: The Origins of America Podcast. Links to learn more about Sarah and Rejects and Revolutionaries Podcast can be found at https://americanhistorypodcast.net/ or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen to learn more.A special thanks goes out to Alex at the Executive Producer level!Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network featuring great shows like: Richard Lim’s This American President Podcast can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Today, we're joined by a very special guest and beyond the big screen alumni, Sarah tank, Savala of the rejects and revolutionary American history podcasts Sara's podcast tells the story of American history from its very beginnings. These are all stories and events that are now widely known and are all, many of them are definitely stranger than fiction.So you hear people talk about early American history and their. You know, talking about the revolutionary war era and it's just like, no, no, it started so much before that and all that, this was going on, like all these debates and all of this, all these struggles were going on at the same time. And it was just like, or in that earlier time than it was just amazing.We're going to do this as sort of a top 10 list, the top 10 surprising facts about the 17th [00:01:00] century American history and moments that would definitely be stranger than fiction and deserve their own movie treatments. So who, what is your top? Your number 10. So we're going from 10 to one. What's your number 10 surprising fact about American history early colonial American history.So, um, my 10th one is just the life of Pocahontas, his son, Thomas Rolfe. Um, we always think about, um, the story of Pocahontas in John, Ralph and John Smith and all of that that went on, but he actually lived this really interesting. Um, himself, and we don't know that much about him, but it's like through him that some 10,000 estimated people are descended from Pocahontas today.And, um, what we do know about him, it's really interesting though. Cause he was, um, so he was born, well, he was born in Virginia, but he grew up in [00:02:00] England. Um, Like John, Ralph and Pocahontas sit gone back to England and she had died there in 16, 17, and he had gone back to Virginia and he died five years later.Um, and so he ended up being raised in England by an uncle of his. And then he ended up and then when he was 20, he moved back to America. And so he was sort of this half Palatan Indian who was raised in England and ended up going back to Virginia. And, um, I find that to be just fascinating to start with.And then he ended up, um, he ended up meeting his uncle. He requested permission to meet with his power Putin uncle OB chonga knew who was the orchestrator of the 1622 massacre and of another massacre in 1643 or 44. When that second massacre happened in 1644. W [00:03:00] Thomas Ralf ended up actually leading troops against the power button for the English.And so he ended up being this really sort of a fluent leading. Member of Virginia society, but he still clearly had enough, um, connection to his pallet and ancestry that he developed those relationships. But when the two sides went to war, he had some decisions to make. And I would've loved to know like what, you know, what went into those decisions, but we don't know that about him, but I think he'd be a fascinating person.To know more about, or to even imagine more about in some sort of a biography or biopic. So that's our, that's your number 10 now, number nine, you have a next one. The battle of the Severn. Yes. So that was really interesting because that, I mean, you could make an argument, maybe not the strongest argument, but you can make an argument that it was the last battle of the English [00:04:00] civil war, because, you know, Over the course of the English civil war, the English government has been, um, completely overturned.The King's been beheaded and then. The question comes, like what happens to each of these colonies and Maryland in particular was an extremely controversial colony because it had, um, well, it had a very strong Catholic foundation, which was really, really not liked in England at the time, especially by the Puritans who had gotten control in the English, civil war and Maryland always sort of, they always had to tread this.Middle ground of like, not being Catholic, but being tolerant towards Catholics and. The question was, would this be enough by the time that the English civil war had ended? And there was a clear political divide in addition to the religious divide within Maryland, there've been increasing numbers of [00:05:00] Puritans in Maryland, especially after they got sort of kicked out of Virginia, Maryland gave them a place to stay, um, in the name of religious toleration, which became the sort of thing that.That Maryland champion, the idea that Maryland championed in these early years. And so by the time that all of this has happened, the question became like would the new government of England, um, recognize the old government of Maryland, which was under this Catholic guy, uh, Lord Baltimore. And. In the time when that question was being asked, there were two groups of people who there were all these things happening.There were two groups of people who ended up going. To, um, essentially to war with each other. They had one big battle in 1655 where like, um, 400 people showed up and that's in a [00:06:00] colony, which at this point in time was, we don't know exactly what the population was, but it would be between sort of a quarter and a fifth of the male population turning out to fight in this battle.And ultimately, uh, ultimately the Puritans had a lot more military experience and they have a lot more organization and they had a lot more resources and they ended up just completely destroying the sort of Anglican Catholic Presbyterian, um, group. And, um, and then the question, the question still wasn't answered.And then the Pearson's ended up just really, um, they ended up behaving sort of non admirably at the end of this battle. They ended up, uh, illegally executing for prisoners and they had sentenced 10 more to be illegally executed, but [00:07:00] then they, um, they, some people, some of the soldiers who had just come over from England and didn't have as much of a personal investment in the fight and some of the women of the colonies.Ask them to back down because a lot of this, the thing is a lot of this was really personal for people. Like they had known each other and they had had these animosities building up for 20 years at these, at this point. And, and so you can, it just, it went really downhill, but I think. How much the English civil war affected America is, is always something that I never really understood very well.And listening to your podcast, it really, there was such a connection between the two, but then there's also like you were saying that, that on the ground too, that these people hated each other personally, but then they have all these gripes too, that are the bigger picture gripes. So it's really, it's a really fascinating [00:08:00] interplay.Oh, it is it's, it's amazing how much it it's amazing. So much of what happened in America. So much of what we think about as being American would never have, um, would never have happened at all. If it weren't for the English civil war, like the Puritans wouldn't have, um, set up in new England as strongly as they did.

This is a special bonus episode of Beyond the Big Screen featuring Sarah Tanksalvala of the Rejects and Revolutionaries podcast. You can get more great Bonus Features like this by joining us on Patreon at patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen!You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

Title: Gettysburg in Literature, Film and History: Pickett’s Charge and EpilogueDescription: Today Sean, James and I continue our discussion of the real events and background of the Battle of Gettysburg as portrayed through the 1993 film Gettysburg. One last cavalry charge just might be the answer to break the gridlock of this battle. We will also discuss the aftermath of Gettysburg and its place in the Civil War.Learn More About our Guests:James Early and Sean McIverKey Battles of American History PodcastKeybattlesofamericanhistory.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By impawards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10571243Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to beyond the big screen. We have another installment of Hollywood hates history today. This is the fourth and final part of our four-part conversation on just the wonderful and historically accurate. But also highly entertaining, 1993, classic Gettysburg.We're joined as we have been in the past three episodes by two civil war, fanatics and podcast, or Sean MacGyver of the common take it, Texas history podcast and professor James early, a frequent contributor to beyond the big screen, but also the history of the papacy podcast and Scott ranks history unplugged podcast.Today, we will wrap up the battle, which [00:01:00] will include. Dissection of how the movie lines up with the main source material for the movie in the 1974 historical fiction, novel and Pulitzer prize winner, the killer angels by Michael Shaara. We have a ton to talk about this episode to you think we talked a ton about the other parts of the book and movie will have even more.If you have a historical movie, you either love or hate. Let me know. And maybe we can work together to create another episode of Hollywood hates history. I have a ton of ideas, but I'd love to hear yours. Thank you again for listening and I will see you next time beyond the big screen.all right, welcome back everybody. Now we've, we've discussed the prelude to the battle day to day one day two. And now we're finally at the ultimate [00:02:00] day of the battle day three Friday, July 3rd, 1863. James, why don't you set us up with day three. All right. Well, the overall, uh, description of what happened on this day is actually fairly simple to state.Generally, even though the Confederates had been driven back on day two, he felt they'd come so close. He felt, oh, if we just hit them one more time. Uh, as we've already seen, long street did not want to do a nother head-on assault against veteran, federal troops who were dug in on high ground. But Lee, just in, I've heard, it said his blood was up, his fighting spirit was up.He really felt just one more push and they will break. He felt like the center was especially weak. So he ordered once again, a general. To attack Culp's hill, which again, using my analogy of a clock that's about one o'clock and the [00:03:00] union line swings around from two or one all the way around to six.O'clock going counterclockwise, but it's really more like a fish hook or an ear. But anyway, so general Yule attacks about. Uh, in the morning and it, it even takes part of Culp's hill, but the Federalist drive them back and around 11 o'clock that is over with then Lee decides he wants to hit the center.He feels like because the center has the center, didn't get hit very hard on day two, but they, the center. Or I should say Mead, the overall union commander had to strip the center and send troops to the right and to the left to support them because they were under assault. He felt like the center would be spread really thin.Now the center is on cemetery Ridge. So on my clock analogy go from 12 o'clock down to about five or so that is the union center. But again, they're on a Ridge [00:04:00] and the. Confederate troops are off to the west a little bit about a mile to the left, and they're going to have to March across almost a sloping ground wide open ground.No. Uh, just fields of grass going uphill and over almost about a mile long March. I've heard anything from a quarter of a mile to a mile. So something but along March, but Lee thinks they can do it. And he orders long street to lead it. Now, long street doesn't want to lead it. He realizes that it's going to be a complete disaster and he asks actually, Uh, Lee would put AP hill in charge of it, but Lisa's know you're my best core commander.I want you to lead it. So, uh, as we've mentioned before, long street had three divisions. One led by general hood, one led by general McCloskey and the third led by picket hood. And my claws were really banged up and really hurting from day two. So they're going to stay out of this one long [00:05:00] streets. Only division that's going to attack is going to.Pick it division, which was fresh. They had not so far participated in the battle, but that's not enough. And Lee realizes that. So he strips away a couple of Hills divisions, one led by Johnson pedigree and one led by, uh, Isaac Trimble. And so those three divisions are going to do what is now called pickets charged.They're going to March across. As I mentioned about a mile long open area, gradually uphill to attack the federals on cemetery Ridge. And before that there's going to be a candidate, but we'll get to that in a minute. Um, so there's going to be a candidate and then they're going to March up there and push the Federalist back, take the high ground and, and maybe persuade, pursue the federals all the way down to Washington, perhaps.So that is the plan. We will see how that works out when we actually talk about the movie. And [00:06:00] so Chamberlain is, um, oh, I'm sorry. Did you wanna introduce it, Steve? No, you go ahead and yeah. Let's um, yeah, let's hear where Chamberlain is because he's kind of in an interesting spot. And yet again. Yeah. So his, his men have just been fighting a difficult battle the previous day.And so, uh, he gets orders to go reprint report to the, save a spot in the, in the union lines, right in the center. Yeah. Because there's not any kind of thing happened there. Um, and so he goes there. Um, so the interesting things about the movie, um, tremble was the, the general earlier who had, was Trimble part of Hills division core, or was he part of UL's core?Actually, I believe he was part of UL's I missed. Okay. So he takes her regimen from. Hill and you're in a regiment from you. You'll okay. Yeah. Uh, he's the one who complained about all earlier, um, pedigree is played by, uh, if you've ever seen one [00:07:00] of the heels only James Bond in one movie, but George Lazenby.So you have a former James Bond playing a Confederate general. Um, I didn't notice that until I watched it. So a long street has self doubt. He doubts, he thinks this attack's going to fail. And he tells me that, and Lee says, you need to do what you do your duty. And he doesn't think meat has that many men in the center, which is wrong.Uh, and then long street asks if another commander can lead the attack. And did he say no? Or did he just not. Uh, no, uh, I think in the book he just doesn't respond. He's embarrassed by the, by the request. And so he just ignored him. I don't recall. It's been a little while. Yeah. So, uh, George Pickett comes up with his division and long street tells him he's going to lead the attack and pick it's excited.He says, we're going to do it. We're going to, we're going to take, we're going to take. We're going to charge and we're going to take it. And they cheer for long for Lee as he rides by and the cheer for long [00:08:00] street and then long street orders, uh, that his, our chiller commander, Colonel Alexander, uh, he's a young guy.So Alexander, uh, became a Colonel, uh, after the Fredericksburg battle earlier, uh, in December, uh, because he had, uh, held off, uh, basically a whole union division with just his battery of horse out to artillery on the Confederate. Uh, and prevented the main Confederate line, which was, uh, behind the Stonewall from being flanked.Uh, and basically union just had to March up and get killed. Like the Confederates are about to do here in Gettysburg. Uh, so Alexander was the, was long streets, uh, artillery, commander, uh, and he tells them, I need you to clear out the federal artillery. Uh, and Alexander says, they're going to do it, but they're short on ammunition.

Title: Gettysburg in Literature, Film and History: Devil’s Den and Longstreet’s BeardDescription: Today Sean, James and I continue our discussion of the real events and background of the Battle of Gettysburg as portrayed through the 1993 film Gettysburg. The forces of North and South have deployed. Attacks have commenced but the outcome still is in doubt. Armies of tens of thousands crash together and heroes are made in Gettysburg!Learn More About our Guests:James Early and Sean McIverKey Battles of American History PodcastKeybattlesofamericanhistory.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By impawards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10571243Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to beyond the big screen. We have another installment of Hollywood hates history today. This is the third part of a four-part conversation on the incredible and really classic movie. The 1993 Gettysburg, we are joined by two civil war, Fitzy Denatos and podcasters Sean MacGyver of the common take it, Texas history podcast and professor James early, a contributor to not only be on the big screen, but also the history of the papacy podcast and Scott ranks history unplugged podcast.Today, we will continue to progress through the battle. We will discuss the major source of the movie, the 1974 historical [00:01:00] fiction novel the killer angels by Michael Shara. And we will also talk about the second day of the battle. We have a ton to talk about today, so let's get right to it. Of course, if you have a historical movie, you either love or hate, let me know, and maybe we can work together to create a new episode of Hollywood hates history.I'm beyond the big screen. If you'd like to participate, send me an email to my email, address [email protected]. I'd love to hear from you. Thanks again for listening and I will see you next time beyond the big screen.Now we're on today to have the battle. If you want to hear about what happened in the prelude to the battle or day one, you can go back and we have episodes on all those, but I'm, we're joined again by professor James early, of [00:02:00] course, and Sean, Sean MacGyver of the common ticket podcast. And we're going to dive right into day two.James, why don't you give us a little setup of what was going on in day two and what we can look forward to? Sure. Just to review in case, uh, it's been a while since somebody listened to the previous part or maybe they haven't, but if you haven't, you should stop it right now and go back and listen to it.Okay. All right. Are you back? Okay, good. So, um, what happened was the union army of the Potomac and the Confederate army of Northern Virginia met, uh, are parts of the army. To the west of the town of Gettysburg, north and west in an almost accidental meeting. And what happened was the union troops. There were heavily outnumbered, but they did a good job under the leadership of general, John Buford and general John Reynolds of delaying the Confederate advance and the Confederates [00:03:00] move the union or pushed them back through the town of Gettysburg.And onto some high ground, south and Southeast of town. And there, the first days fighting ended, there was a little bit more Confederate probing and attempts to attack, but it was getting dark and the Confederates were not able to push the union troops off of the high ground. The union overnight, gradually filled in more units, came up to the front and they settled into a position that shaped kind of like a fish hook, but I'm going to actually change the analogy here.I'm going to try to make it as simple as possible. So I'm going to create a mental map here. What happened? Imagine a clock. Okay. A clock. And this is oversimplifying because the union position was not a perfect circle, but, but work with me, people. Okay. I'm trying to make it easy on you. So, um, imagine the, the far right of the union army being at about two o'clock on the two, and then it stretches around.At [00:04:00] two o'clock at one o'clock you have, sorry, one o'clock you have a Culp's hill and then at 12 o'clock you have cemetery hill and then going around the other side, down, down the left side, oops, just hit my microphone down the left side. You had a Ridge, some high ground that kind of was a little up and down, but mostly high ground called cemetery Ridge.And then it continued down to a couple of large Hills. One which today is called little round top. And then the further south one is called big round top. That would be six o'clock. So there you go. That's roughly the union position and overnight the union troops were digging in and fortifying. What happened on day two?So, James, yeah, let me interrupt. So I think, I think that's a really good description. I think another way to look at it would be kind of, would be a reverse question, mark. And so you've got starting at cups hill and looping up cemetery hill and then kind of back down and then straight down for cemetery Ridge and, and [00:05:00] it culminates at the end, that little round top, and then there's a small gap.And then the period at the bottom of the question, mark would be big round top. Yeah. That's good. I had also thought of like, imagine if you're staring at somebody right ear. So it's an odd shape, but it's a, it's a great defensive shape is that it's a great defensive shape because the union troops are going to be able to take advantage of what's called interior lines.That means the union right. Can get to the troops on the union, right. Can get to the union left or the center very quickly, relatively quickly. Whereas the Confederate troops are wrapped around that in kind of a, I don't know, how would you describe that? Like, almost like the letter C. And so for the Confederate troops to get, say from their left to their right, would take much longer than for the union troops.Right. And then see there's difficulty in movement from the Confederate side. And the other thing to remember is that the union army is still marching in, and there's other, there's three [00:06:00] cores there at this point, there's still two more cores coming in and they're coming straight into this pocket that they've this defensive pocket that they formed.So their reinforcements are on the way. Whereas the only real reinforcements that Confederates are going to get is if their cavalry can somehow manage to make their way back. Yeah. And they've got one division pickets division, which is still coming up from the west and they're not going to participate in day two, but they will definitely participate in day three.Won't they? Go ahead, Steven. And what kind of geographic information would the each side had? Did they have maps of any accuracy, a topographical maps? Well, that's an important part in the second and the second book and let me start, that's an important part of the whole battle. Is that? Yeah. So the thing is, is that you depended on your, you dependent on either your locals or your cavalry to tell you about the area that you were in.So the advantage of union [00:07:00] advantage union they're in they're in Pennsylvania. So not only do they have the locals, they are supporting them and probably being, you know, they are, they do talk about that. The locals are, you know, they're buying food. The Confederates are buying food from the locals. They're staying at their homes, but they probably are reticent about helping the Confederates, whereas the they're going to help the union.The other thing is that you've got Pennsylvania militia and regular troops in this army. So you may have somebody from their home right in that has a they've lived in that area. So they know it. But the most important thing is when you're in enemy territory, your cavalry is critical to telling you what the field is like, what your ground is.They're critical to telling you these Hills can be walked over or written over or climbed easily or difficult. There are passes here. You can. There's a, there's a field. There's the visibility from this heel hill over this field. There's a Ridge here that you can travel behind and you can't be [00:08:00] seen in the next Ridge over.

Title: Gettysburg in Literature, Film and History: The Battle Heats Up on Day 1Description: Today Sean, James and I continue our discussion of the real events and background of the Battle of Gettysburg as portrayed through the 1993 film Gettysburg. The action really begins to heat up in early July in southern Pennsylvania. We look at some of the big players and the early strategies they used to try and get the upper hand.Learn More About our Guests:James Early and Sean McIverKey Battles of American History PodcastKeybattlesofamericanhistory.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By impawards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10571243Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to beyond the big screen. We have another installment of Hollywood hates history today. This is the second part of a four-part conversation on the incredible 1993. Classic in Gettysburg. We are joined by two civil war fanatics and podcasters.Sean MacGyver of the common take a Texas history pod. And professor James early, a frequent contributor to beyond the big screen, the history of the papacy, along with Scott ranks, history unplugged podcast. Today, we will progress through the battle, including the first day of fighting. We will also discuss the major source of the movie, the 1974 historical fiction novel the killer angels by Michael Shaara.[00:01:00] We have so much to talk about, so let's get right to. If you have historical movies you love, or you hate, let me know, and maybe we can make it into an episode for Hollywood hates history. If you'd like to participate in Hollywood, hates history, send me an email to Steve at history. page.com. I'd love to hear from you, and maybe we can arrange to discuss some of these great, and maybe not so great movies.Thank you again for listening and I will see you next time beyond the big screen.so here we are, the first actual day of battle, which would, um, was Wednesday, July 1st, 1863. James, why don't you give us a quick overview of the fighting and then Sean, we can dig in a little bit deeper. Okay. So as we'd seen the Confederate, I mean, sorry, the union cavalry under general, John Buford was deployed on [00:02:00] seminary Ridge, just west of Gettysburg.Good high ground. And the Confederates are there and they fighting breaks out. Generally had ordered. The, uh, his division commanders that were in the front of his column, not to engage, not to get involved in combat, but they just couldn't help. It. It just, it just happened because they were being attacked by the, by the unions, uh, forces.They're the, the cavalry that we mentioned. So Lee finally says, okay, go ahead and attack. And he sends in a second division. Uh, there's one by Heath. He general Heath is the commander of, one of the divisions that got involved in the early fighting in general. Pender also gets involved and. So the cavalry's outnumbered, so they begin to fall back.And then the F the first of the union Corps arrives it's under the command of general. John Reynolds, John Reynolds had a reputation of being one of the finest generals that all the army general Reynolds had actually been offered command of the entire army instead of meat, but he turned it down so general Reynolds, his [00:03:00] core comes up and they get into a very intense fight between the Confederates who are gradually advancing the.Uh, to make a long story. Short general Reynolds is killed, uh, by a Confederate sharp shooter. He's replaced temporarily, at least by general Abner Doubleday. This is before he invented baseball. No, I'm just kidding. He didn't really mean baseball, but it really was Doubleday. Uh, the Confederates forced the union soldiers back.They have to retreat through the town of Gettysburg. There is a little bit of house to house fighting, but for the most part, it's a solid Confederate advanced pushing back the, uh, the blue coats. And at the same time as this general UL's division is pushing in from the north. Those divisions. Pushes, uh, more of the union army back and the union army at the end of day, one ends up on the high ground, the very high ground that general Buford had hoped not to fall into the hands of the Confederate Confederates and it [00:04:00] does it.And so they end up on seminary, seminary, sorry, cemetery Ridge. It's confusing because there's a seminary Ridge, which is where. Tennis cemetery. The first battle is at seminary and then they go to cemetery, which, uh, I have been to seminary and someone argue it's actually the same thing anyway. Uh, so that by the end of day one, the union army is.In a very good defensive position there on cemetery hill, which Sean already mentioned cemetery Ridge, which goes down to the south. And then also they have people on Culp's hill, which is to the east and the position is shaped like a fish hook. It's an excellent position. Uh, it's very good in, in the terms of the fact that it has interior lines, which means.You can quickly get forces from one side of the line to the other. We'll put a map up or actually Steve, we'll put a map up there, right? Steve, um, [00:05:00] Steve will do that and he's a good guy, but anyway, you really need a map for this, but just think of an inverted fish hook. And, uh, one of the things that's very important is that generally orders general, you will to take that hill if practicable, he means cemetery hill.And that phrase if practicable, yeah. Extremely important because if Jackson had been the commander Jackson, would've said, oh, heck yeah, I'm taking the hill and he probably would've done it. Or at least he would've come close. General Yule decides it's not practical. So he does not take the hill. I guess that's a summary of day one, or at least from my perspective, what else you got?That's such a good place to stop too, because that's such an odd wording practicable, because practicable sounds like practical. There is a pretty decent shade of difference between those two words was Lee being too clever by half by using that phrase that he [00:06:00] just used it the wrong way. Well, you have to keep in mind.Lee had been working with Stonewall Jackson for well over a year, and those two men could almost read each other's minds. Uh, Lee made very vague orders. A lot of the time. And he would just tell Jackson, I'm just paraphrasing here, but just get it done. Take that hill, do this. If you can. And Jackson would, would almost always do it.Jackson was very aggressive and he just had a knack for understanding what Lee wanted and getting it done. You will, as a different man, general you'll, uh, is not Stonewall Jackson. He's nowhere near as aggressive and he's brand new to the job. He's unsure of himself. He doesn't want to risk. He has been wounded.He doesn't want. Getting his army destroyed. So yes, it's a very different situation. A couple of things. So later on in the book, lung street makes a note to another character that, uh, to an observer, that Lee's habit was to give the orders to his subordinates and then to step back and [00:07:00] let them execute. He was not a micromanager.He was not a person who. Got into the battle and was moving units around he's he came up with the strategy, uh, and gave it to his, his, his core commanders and his division commanders to fulfill. The other thing was. He, uh, as far as you will goes, you'll was a fine division commander, uh, who had served under, under Jackson and long street.Makes a good point in the book that some end Lee, I think is he, the leader Longstreet makes the point that some people. Some in our good regiment commanders that don't make good brigade brigade, commanders. Some men are good division commanders that don't make good core commanders. Uh, so it's just, uh, it just varies, you know, if you push a person up and promote them, they may not execute in the same way at their level.APO was a great example of that. AP hill was one of the finest division commanders of the war. [00:08:00] Uh, he wasn't as effective as a Corps commander. So you know, that that's the other thing. And then the final thing is. I E Lee was a gentlemen of the, of the south, uh, and. It was a much different time. The language was more courtly.And I think that's where that practicable comes from is he, he had a gentlemanly way of asking for things of his subordinates. Whereas someone like Patton would say, go take that damn hill right in the later war until later, or even a grant who was a more rough homespun or a, or a Sherman would say your orders are to take the.You know, it was, it was a gentleman's way to ask his, his men, his subordinates to deliver something, to do something for them. Uh, it was a, it was not necessarily a commander's way in the way we probably think of, and, and it had worked for him up to that point. And

Title: Gettysburg in Literature, Film and History: Setting Up the BattleDescription: Today we start part 1 of a 4 part series on the 1993 classic Civil War film Gettysburg. We are joined by frequent guest James Early and Sean McIver to discuss this epic battle and film. In this episode we will fill in some of the background of the war and the battle.Learn More About our Guests:James Early and Sean McIverKey Battles of American History PodcastKeybattlesofamericanhistory.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By impawards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10571243Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to beyond the big screen. We have another installment of Hollywood hates history. Today, today we have the first of not one but four part conversation on the incredible 1993. Classic Gettysburg. We are joined by two civil war fanatics and podcasts.Sean MacGyver of the common, take it, Texas history podcast and professor James early, a frequent contributor to beyond the big screen, the history of the papacy podcast, along with Scott rank's history unplugged podcast. In this first episode, we will look at the broad overview of the battle. Film, we will also discuss the major source of the movie, the 1974 historical fiction novel the [00:01:00] killer angels by Michael Shara and the prelude to the.We have much to talk about. So let's get right to it. If you have a historical movie you love or hate, let me know, and maybe we can make an episode for Hollywood hates history. I have a few other movies in the works with Scott rank and others. If you'd like to participate in Hollywood, hates history, send me an email to [email protected]'d love to hear from you. Thanks again for listening and I will see you next time beyond the big screen.welcome back today. We are talking about the great movie from 1993 Gettysburg. So today I'm going to be the host, but, um, we have two great. Guests, but we're all kind of in on this [00:02:00] together. I'm Steve Guerra and I host the history of the papacy podcast as well as beyond the big screen podcast. I'm joined by James early and Sean MacGyver, Sean MacGyver is of the come and take a Texas history podcast.And James early is a professor from San Jacinto college who is an. Time's collaborator with Scott rank on his history unplugged podcast. Uh, it took a little doin, but we all came together. Are you excited to talk about Gettysburg? I am totally excited. I've been wanting to do this for a long time. I'm so glad we're finally doing it.Uh, why don't we just get we'll jump straight into it. James. Can you tell us a little bit about the background? Um, the book and the movie Gettysburg? Yes. The, uh, movie Gettysburg is based on a novel called the [00:03:00] killer angels, which was written in 1974, published in 1974 by Michael Shera or shore. I'm not really sure how that's pronounced.I think it shares is Shara, Shara. Okay. S H a R a. Uh, it was Michael Shara is kind of an interesting person. He was a writer in the 50, 60 seventies, eighties, a little bit. He wrote primarily science fiction and sports fiction, not too much historical fiction. He had four novels of which the killer angels is his second.And it's his only novel that is. Uh, historical fiction as a side note, it's interesting that he also wrote the book for love of the game, which was turned into a movie with Kevin Costner. But anyway, I don't want to get too far off track, but the killer angels was very well-received. It won the Pulitzer prize in 1975 and Shara, after he, after he wrote his fourth novel for love of the game killer angels was the second [00:04:00] one.After that he. Just wrote, well, actually not much of anything, if anything. And then he died in 1998. Uh, interestingly enough, after that his son, Jeff, Sharon, or Shara, uh, took up the torch and wrote a pre-qual called gods and generals and a sequel called the last full measure, making a civil war trilogy.And then Jeff Shaara went on to write many, many, many more historical novels, but. Going back to the killer angels. What's interesting about the killer angels is it tells the story of the battle of Gettysburg through the. And the thoughts of some of the major commanders on both sides. For example, there are chapters devoted to Robert Lee.What he is seeing, what he's thinking. There are chapters devoted to James Long street on the union side. The primary character is Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, who was the commander of the 20th Maine regiment. One of the key regiments on day two of the. [00:05:00] And there are other characters, of course, that are brought into it as well, but he really does a great job in the book.Putting you inside the mind of these commanders and what they were thinking and what they were feeling, what they were hoping to do, hoping to accomplish it's it's fiction. Of course, it's not a, it's not a regular history book. It's a, it's a historical novel, but I think Shera does or Shara, it's going to take me several times to get used to that, but, uh, it's it, he really.I think it's, it's a very accurate novel. A lot of the speeches and the dialogues are just made up, but others are based on things that these men wrote in their diaries or their letters or their memoirs. Uh, so it's a, it's a fantastic novel. I'm not going to lie. I'm just going to go ahead and lay my cards up ahead of time.I love this book. I love this book so much. I've read it probably five or six times, and I love this movie. This is one of my all time. Favorite movies. Of any genre, but anyways, so [00:06:00] that's the killer angels, the killer angels. It took them a while to make it into a movie, but the movie was made by Ted Turner and Ted Turner.It was going to be a mini series, but they decided to make it into a movie. And the movie itself is extremely long. In fact, I read that it's the longest feature film ever to be made and shown in movie theaters. Clocks in at about four hours and 15 minutes. There's an extended version. That's even longer.If it just in case four hours at 15 minutes is not long enough for you. But I remember when it came out, I was in grad school the first time. Uh, and I went and saw it, the theater. I think I was all by myself. My wife says, there's no way I'm going to watch a four hour movie war movie. So I went and saw it in the theater twice.So that's just how nerdy and how crazy I am, but I've always been a civil war nut. So, so the movie stars, it has an all-star cast it it's, it's an amazing cast. The primary [00:07:00] character on the. Confederate side is actually James Long street and he is played by Tom Berenger. Who's been in platoon and many, many other movies.Uh, Robert Lee. Another of the major characters he's played by Martin sheen. Everybody knows who Martin sheen is. He's been in films for several decades and many that he was on the west wing for many years. The TV show on the union side, the primary character is Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain. Who's played by Jeff Daniels.Also a veteran actor. Who's been in a million things and let's see, who am I leaving out among the major characters? Yeah, Sam Elliot, how can I leave out Sam Elliott, dog on it? Sam Elliott, if you don't know who Sam Elliott is, uh, just turn off this podcast right now and go do some research. Go watch like 10, 10 of his movies.Sam Elliott is a legend. He's been in many westerns as well as other movies. Yeah, it was in the big Lebowski. He played the cowboy and he was the narrator. He [00:08:00] was in a, they were, we were soldiers, uh, the Vietnam movie with El Gibson. He was. Gosh, he's been so many things. He was in the original Hulk movie.Uh, the one that was didn't it had Edward Norton, I think, or I don't know. I don't know. That was, he was in the original one with, uh, uh, direct. Okay. So yeah, he was the general, but anyway, uh, so great cast. There's a lot of other people, C Thomas Howell is in it. Uh, Jordan Richard Jordan plays Lewis arm Armistead, and this was his last role.Uh, you can tell he was dying of cancer and you could definitely tell he was not well. Uh, but he's such a, if you've seen, you know, Richard Jordan, if you've watched the hunt for red October, he's the, uh, he's the national security. No way really. I don't have to go back and watch that again. Folks, Sean is like Mr.Movie. He is a walking film and cyclic was in it too. There's a James Bond in there. You have to look [00:09:00]

Title: The Least of Us and the Pandemic of Drugs in AmericaDescription: Today Steve is joined by author Sam Quinones to discuss his books on the drug pandemic in the United States. Sam takes us through the evolution of the use and abuse of prescription and illegal drugs over the past 30 years.Learn More About our Guest:Sam Quinones, author of The Least of Us and Dreamlandhttps://samquinones.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Sam Quinones Author of the books Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiate Epidemic and The Least of Us: True Tales of America and Hope in the Time of Fentanyl and Meth. Links to learn more about Sam Quinones and his books can be found at samquinones.com or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebig screen to learn more. By supporting Beyond the Big Screen on Patreon, you are going a long way to continuing to make this podcast sustainable and available in the future!A special thanks goes out to our supporters on Patreon and Subscribestar. Thank you to our Executive Producer Alex!Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.Least of Us[00:00:00] Thank you so much for joining us again on beyond the big screen, I am really excited to be joined by Sam Ken Yonas. Sam is an independent journalist and is author of a number of really great books, including the books that we will focus on today. His latest book, the least of us, true tales of America and hope and the time of fentanyl and the.Sam is also the author of dreamland. The true story of America's opiate epidemic. Uh, Sam, can you maybe just tell us a little bit about yourself and how you became interested in investigating these, uh, drug epidemics in the U S sure. Um, Steven, great to be with you. I, I, um, uh, I really had no interest. I have to tell you.I had no interest in, in addiction or pain management or any of that stuff. I had lived in Mexico for 10 years as a journalist. I've been a reporter 35 years. I've been a crime reporter a lot of those years. [00:01:00] And that's kind of how I see myself in, in general. And, um, I, uh, I lived in Mexico for 10 years, came back to LA, which is my, kind of roughly my home region and, um, got a job at the LA times when they put me on a story.Um, that really, they put me on a team of reporters talking about writing about the, the, the drug war that had just kicked off in Mexico. When I lived in Mexico's 94, 2004, I mean, there was nothing like what's happened since it was a, it was an easy country to move around. Uh, there was very little danger.It seemed to me, I, I was a freelancer, very Vagabonding all over the place. It was not a, um, a dangerous thing. And then all of a sudden it became, uh, deadly. Uh, and, um, and so my job was to write about drugs as they trafficked, uh, after they crossed the border were how they got to the rest of the country.And as part of that, I got onto the story [00:02:00] in dreamland of the town of Holly SCO in the state of. Mexico, small state on the Pacific coast of Mexico in which people had divine. Uh, a system of, of delivering a heroin very much like pizza delivery. So you call a number and the operator takes sure your order and they send a driver to you to deliver your heroin.And not only that, though, the real importance to the, this, this group, um, w in my opinion, was that. Um, they were extensively expansionary, so they began to move all over the country. They were everywhere. They were in Phoenix and Reno. They were then they moved across the Mississippi and they were in Columbus and Charlotte and various places.But 20, 25 states eventually, I think I counted them in anyway, as I was doing that, I began to realize there was a much, much bigger story. Behind me that I was unaware of because I had been in Mexico when it really evolved. And that was the revolution in pain management [00:03:00] with regard to the very, very aggressive use of opioid painkillers, narcotic painkillers, Vicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin, very well known.Um, and so I, that was how you explained why these guys had this. Heroine market. I didn't, I could not explain why they had grown. I thought, you know, who would ever go back to using heroin? I mean, I thought the seventies were the time when we forgot about heroin. Um, we learned it was a bad drug and, and moved on.And, and so it was that revolution in pain management that I realized was much bigger than anything I was dealing with with, with these guys from, from Mexico. And so I began to see the two stories as connected. And that's when I began to really figure all that out. I really had a lot of background in Mexico.By that point, I had written two books about Mexico and Lou knew a lot about small town, Mexican life and immigration and all that. I didn't know a thing about addiction. Didn't really know what an Oxycontin [00:04:00] was when it's, when I started all this, but it kind of, it was backing into the story with the heroin.Coming to this realization that I was really focusing on the smaller story, the much bigger story affecting the entire country was the opioid pain revolution. It's so interesting. You mentioned that, um, the change in Mexico in that time you were living there, I'm originally from upstate New York and we go to Canada, just going to Canada is like nothing.It's like going to the next town over and we moved to Texas and I asked somebody, okay. You know, pop over to Juarez or Laredo, Laredo, and they were like, that's probably not the best idea. And you're saying that changed to very recently. I would say that that changed in in 2000 began to change in 2005 and six.Um, that's when you begin to see the first cartel. A lot of this has to do with Chapo Guzman, Chapo Guzman was the head of the Sinaloa cartel. He was in prison for a lot of years. He [00:05:00] escaped in a variety of kind of very corrupt ways in which, you know, anyway, it's a long story that, but he gets out and when he gets out, he begins to kind of throw his weight around the country a little bit and disrupt a lot of the.Ways of controls that had been in place for drug trafficking, uh, at the different border air. So he begins to attack, Porres begins to attack Tijuana. Um, and, and he also, um, begins to attack, um, the Texas. Side. So he's got all these things going on and that's why, um, these, these cartel wars began to pop off beginning and about those years.And that's why, um, uh, Laredo, but particularly, um, uh, Reynosa Macallan, those areas that were extraordinarily. Uh, Tijuana Juarez a few years later, you begin to see a murder rates through the roof. Uh, 3000 murders a year in acquires becomes the most dangerous place in the, [00:06:00] in the, on the planet, as what I understood, um, all of that because of these very, um, these, these attempts to control and, and battling back, um, by Chapo Guzman and.

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Title: Coming to and Leaving Las VegasDescription: Today, Steve is joined yet again by contributor Chris to talk about the really intense film from 1995, Leaving Las Vegas. Nicolas Cage delivers a career performance walking us through the life and end of life an alcoholic. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=16665294Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. Today our contributor, Chris and I are going to talk about topics of alcoholism, suicide and other sensitive themes through the 1995 movie Leaving Las Vegas. We aren’t graphic by any means, but these are themes that might not be appropriate for all audiences. So with that warning out of the way, let’s get on with the show. As usual, thanks to Chris for joining me. I always have fun talking to him and learn something.You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebig screen to learn more. By supporting Beyond the Big Screen on Patreon, you are going a long way to continuing to make this podcast sustainable and available in the future!A special thanks goes out to our supporters on Patreon and Subscribestar. Thank you to our Executive Producer Alex!Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] All right today, we are talking about the 1995 movie leaving Las Vegas directed by Mike FAUS and based on the 1990 novel, leaving Las Vegas by John. Oh, Brian, this movie stars. Nicholas cage is Ben Sanderson and Elizabeth shoe as his sort of girlfriend, Sarah, and a great cameo by AR IIE. Now, today we are joined again by Chris to talk about this movie.It really the, the basic concept of this movie is about a washed up writer named Ben played by Nicholas cage, who has in some way imploded his life. Ben is absolutely mired in a deep depression and alcoholism in east. Decides to leave Los Angeles [00:01:00] and move to Las Vegas where he plans to drink himself to death.So this is gonna be, I'd say one of the heavier episodes of beyond the big screen. And in this episode, just a little bit of a content warning. I. This episode will necessarily dive into themes of addiction and suicide. So it may be particularly disturbing to some people in the audience. If you're struggling with any of these issues, I highly suggest you contact your healthcare provider.If you live in the United States or Canada, you can now connect. To the suicide prevention lifeline by simply dialing 9, 8, 8. If you need them, call them. Don't wait. You just have to simply dial the numbers. 9, 8, 8, 3 digit code, just like 9 1 1, except in this case 9, 8, 8, and talk with someone. So with that, there will be spoilers.And like I said, this will be a little bit heavier than we normally talk about. Now, Chris, as a lifelong. [00:02:00] Nicholas cage fan. What drew you to this movie in particular? 1990 fives leaving Las Vegas. Yeah. So when I was younger, I would, I, I watched all like Nicholas cages, like action movies, and I started getting more into some of his smaller rules and I, the first time I watched.Leaving Las Vegas. I had heard he won in Oscar for it and no Roger Ebert would gave like RA reviews for it. And when I, first time I watched it, I was. I was just absolutely me mesmerized by Nicholas Cage's performance and the character Ben Sanderson. He, I dunno, he fills me with, I've never really had, uh, a character quite horrify.Me and me mesmerized me at the same time where I'm completely horrified by Ben Sanderson, but I can't stop. Watching this movie. I, I can't stop thinking about him. Like every time I watch this movie, I, I catch myself during the day thinking about Ben Sanderson. It's, it's quite, [00:03:00] um, it's actually quite, uh, accurate with, with how.Most people. And this has been my experience of if you know, somebody close to you, that's dealing with alcohol addiction or drug addiction that you really care about. You'll find yourself being horrified at what they're doing to themselves, and then you'll catch yourself. During the day thinking about them, like, how can I help this person?What can I, you know, what can I do? Yeah. I think for this episode, we really, as we talked this, this out and planned this episode out, we both came to the diff. Different conclusions, but kind of the same conclusion at the end is do you take this movie? And I'll say when I first watched it in 1995, so that's going on almost 30 years ago, I took it in the literal view that Ben Sanderson was going from Las Vegas.Or from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to drink himself to death. That's what he stated. And so he is seeing it as kind of a [00:04:00] realistic portrayal, but now watching it again, I almost feel that that, that this movie is, could be really portrayed in an anti fairytale way. And I think we both came to this conclusion that it's a, not necessarily a realistic view of Sanderson's life, but maybe.Almost a dream sequence for him, a, a hallucination of Ben. And I think we both came to this from slightly different directions. And I wonder just before we even get started with diving into the issues too much, what did you think and how did your thinking evolve? In this movie. Yeah. Quite like you. Well, actually the first time I watch this movie, when they go to the resort, her, him and Sarah, and she starts pouring liquor on herself and Ben's, you know, licking her up or what have you earlier in the movie, Ben does like a monologue where he recite basically says the [00:05:00] exact same thing that Sarah's doing.And it was at that moment, I started thinking to myself, I go. Is it, is this, is this really happening or is this something that Ben is daydreaming? And then I, after multiple watches, I started noticing like a couple other things that get said throughout the movie that made me question whether this is at least.Is this a hundred percent reality or is it 100% like the drunk daydream of a screenwriter? Like he refers to, he says to Sarah that she's an angel from his drunk Fanta and one of his drunk fantasies. So that there's an, an example right there. When he first goes into Sarah, his apartment, he sees a giant picture of like an angel.And then that immediately says like, oh, you're an angel. And then. At the very beginning of the movie. It's if you it's a very good song, it's by staying called angel eyes. And one of the first lines in the movie is are you [00:06:00] slowly losing your mind? You look around each corner, hoping that she's there. And once you take like all these things into combination together, you start thinking to yourself, it almost comes, says like a hardcore alcoholic, like Ben, who is still who's obviously.Was at one point a very talented screenwriter, kind of daydreamed this fairytale in his head about Sarah and going to Vegas. And that's why it seems like it's almost like an anti fairytale because it it's coming from the. The drunk imaginations of like a hardcore alcoholic that is suicidal. When I first started watching the movie, what, what, one of the first few clues that I got that things were maybe not exactly what they seemed was to me.The dialogue seemed very. Almost stiff between Sarah and Ben forced. And when you think about it, it almost sounds like a play writer [00:07:00] or a screenwriter working through a first draft of a script. And, and then as you start going back into that whole section, there's the whole section in Los Angeles. And if you notice they don't roll the beginning, credits or show the name of the movie until about what about a half an hour into the movie?When he leaves Los Angeles, maybe it's 20 inch minutes. It's a long ways into the movie. Yeah. About 15. Yeah. I'd say about 15, 20 minutes. Yeah. And do you see that clear break? That beginning act of the movie in Los Angeles is completely different than the whole rest of the movie. And I think of going back and thinking about it, that that was really, that was the end of his real life was.

Title: Nicola Tesla: A Man of ScienceDescription: Today, Steve is joined by podcaster, professor and scientist Chad Davies to discuss the life and times of one of the most important scientists and inventors of the modern era, Nicola Tesla. Was Tesla a mad scientist, the most forward looking scientist of all times or all of the above? Learn More About our Guest:Chad Davies of the Scientific Odyssey Podcasthttps://thescientificodyssey.typepad.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Chad Davies of the Scientific Odyssey Podcast. Links to learn more about Chad and the Scientific Odyssey can be found at thescientificodysee.typepad.com or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon.com/beyondthebigscreen to learn more.A special thanks goes out to Alex at the Executive Producer level!Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen., [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Today, we will be talking about how a particular person, a scientist and inventor Nikola Tesla has been portrayed in both popular media, such as films and books, and a few of the last previous episodes we spoke with Annie of the five foot, two blog about the movie and the book, the prestige, what shows Tesla as the archetype, all mad scientists.We also talked with the producer and lead actor of the movie, the American side, they use the idea of Tesla as the futurist who predicted and developed the ideas that could radically change the world. As we know it. Today, we're going to focus in on who exactly Nikola Tesla was his life and [00:01:00] times and how he was portrayed, how his portrayal in these films matches up to his real life.I am very happy to be joined by Chad Davies of the scientific Odyssey podcast to discuss all these fascinating films in this fascinating person of Nikola Tesla, Chad Euro scientists. Can you just tell us a little bit about yourself and your podcast? Sure. Steve, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate the opportunity to be here.Um, my background actually is a little bit different than the subject that we're going to be talking about on the show. Um, my, I have a PhD in computational astrophysics. Um, I'm a professor of physics at, uh, a little access institution called Gordon state. Um, and then my podcast, as you mentioned, is a scientific Odyssey, which, um, is a show where we really look at the process of scientific inquiry.In other words, how science has done, how it asks questions and answers, questions, and that sort of thing through, um, the history and philosophy of science. And so, you know, my [00:02:00] background coming from that is I'm really interested in not just. What the results of science are, because I think oftentimes there's a lot of that that goes on.But the process at which we arrived at those results in the people who did the work and what they did and the types of questions they asked and the things that they sort of thought were important, how they, you know, stumbled around sometimes in the dark and sort of search their way to the answers, how sometimes they get the right answers for the wrong reasons, or they got wrong answers, but we're on the right path.It's all just really fascinating to me. Let's excellent. I think that you are the exact person when I was thinking about who to have on, I actually put it out there and I was like, who could this be? And then when somebody mentioned your name, I was like, why didn't I think of that in the first place?Excellent. Uh, just to set things up a little bit of context of some of the background that we'll be using here, Nikola Tesla has been used as a character or a literary device in a number of fictional movies and films today. A few of the [00:03:00] pieces that we'll at least reference a little bit are the prestige by Christopher priest, which was also a movie, the movie, the American side produced by Jenna Ricker and Greg stewer.Along with the novel, the city of light by Lauren for that gets a little bit into Tesla at Niagara falls. I thought we'd start off with just two quotes from Tesla that I thought really got to the point of where we're going here. And then the one is Tesla said, one must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.And the other one is the present is there's the future for which I really worked is mine. And I thought that those were just two really cool quotes. That book-ended what Tesla was all about. Um, now Chad, can you just tell us a little bit about Tesla's early life? Yeah, absolutely. So Tesla's kind of an interesting guy.One of the things that, you know, probably [00:04:00] your listeners should know is the, the biggest problem with Tesla is. Just so much information out there that's probably apocryphal or, you know, folklore. I mean, some of it even, you know, borders on almost fairy tale or mythology, um, it's, you know, until probably the last 15 years, 20 years, something like that, um, there wasn't a lot of good scholarship on his life.There wasn't a lot of folks looking in and really digging into the documents that sort of, you know, laid out what his life was going to be like. And so there's all kinds of stuff that, especially if you go back before that, about 20 years or so, there's a, you'll find all sorts of information. That's really.

Title: Going Over the Falls on the American SideDescription: Today Steve is joined by the director, actors and producers of the feature film The American Side from 2016. Jenna Ricker and Greg Stuhr discuss how they made the film and the impact that Nicola Tesla had on the creation and direction of the film.Learn More About our Guest:Jenna Ricker and Greg Stuhr, The American Sidehttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt3093286/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3093286/, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=57788336Begin Transcript:American Side, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Today. I'm very happy to be joined by Jenna Ricker and Greg stewer of the 2016 film, the American side, Jenna wrecker as the director and co-writer with Greg's store, who has also the star as the lead. Charlie the movie set in Buffalo, New York.You could say Buffalo is even more than just a setting. It's a supporting character. Uh, Jenna and Greg, why don't you tell us a little bit more about yourselves and maybe, uh, What connected you to make this film in Buffalo? Right. It's like it as being so, uh, so complimentary to each other, you kick it off.Um, okay. So I grew up in Southern California and I grew up loving [00:01:00] films and, um, really thought I might be an actress for a long time and came out to New York city to study acting at NYU. Uh, but while I was there, love. Being a part of the whole process, the set and the writing and the costumes. And, um, so I quickly worked out that I might be more of a director or at least more driven to be a director.Then the drive, it takes to be an actor. Uh, and I have nothing but admiration for actors and, and the drive that it takes. So, um, so I started shifting gears and focusing on my writing and directing, um, some theater, but also getting some chops in some films and working on sets. And that's, I made my first film in 2005 and, um, kept going from there.And that first film, the work I did on that, and some theater stuff that I was involved in is how I met. [00:02:00] And we shared a very similar taste in films and love of films. And. Then I'll toss it over you, Greg, and you can tell how we started working here. Yeah. Well, the, you know, when we first met, I think you were, you were right in the midst of rewriting in the midst of shooting.Your first film was that. Oh yeah. Right. When we first met, we met in the theater and I was just going to pre-production for myself. Yeah. I was, I remember, uh, being very, very impressed with that. That Jenna was. Actually making a film. There's so many people out there who want to make films who flirt with making films, but she was making it and she was taking it upon herself to make it because she was, you know, producing it.She was, she wrote it. She was directing it, obviously. And, uh, she was using her connections to, to cast it. And, uh, it was just very, it was the main apartment with me. Um, but it was, I was just really impressive that because, um, film, I was [00:03:00] making my living, um, as a theater actor, uh, Still pretty much how I survive, but I'd always wanted to get into film.And I, I, I thought that I naturally would, that it would just start happening and it really wasn't happening. And then of course, the there's so many options now for independent filmmakers. Um, and there certainly was starting to happen at that time that I thought, wow, I really just need to have the drive to, to write something and make something.So that's why I was really impressed with Jenna and then to top it off and we started hanging out, we discovered we both could sort of passionately talk about films and show each other films that maybe one of the other hadn't seen. And we. And we had very similar tastes, um, for the most part and probably where we don't have the same case.That probably just enough to keep the other one, you know, semi honest, um, what's that movieyeah. We [00:04:00] used to have a list of films that maybe we wouldn't, we will want to say that we love. Um, but we do, but we do, we do share a lot of, um, A similar taste. And so as far as the American side goes, it was just something, it was an idea that I'd been kicking around and Jetta, and I had decided to write a script, um, based on my idea of hers.And we wrote that script together and it got into, you know, the first draft of it somehow got into this independent film market in New York, where you get to sit with producers and kind of pitch. And, but again, you know, the script gets vetted and you have all these people looking at and they say, oh, this is good enough to get in here.And they set up these meetings for you, but we of course, went back and looked at that script and we're like, wow, I can't believe that got in. Yikes. Um, uh, and we went in taking those meetings. We, we ended up, you know, being asked, of course, as you often are. What else do you have? And because I've been kicking around this idea, um, just kind of on the spur of the moment started pitching the [00:05:00] American side because it's a little bit.Commercial maybe than, uh, than our other project at the time. Um, and the story itself, you know, having grown up in the Buffalo area, I loved this city. I I've always been a fan of mystery and film war, and, um, conspiracy theory films from the seventies. And I w I always felt like a store, like. Could be told and could be made on a, on a relatively low budget in a place like Buffalo, because I think that's one of the few places because there was kind of throwback feel and vibe.And as you talked about Buffalo being a character in the film, which Jenna does such a remarkable job of capturing, um, Buffalo just felt like a great place to set a story like that. So that's, you know, basically, uh, part of the, part of the discussion's done and I had very early on, um, as the story developed.One of the things that I love the most about this movie is that it was, it doesn't easily fit in any genre. It's a crime new wire at, as a science [00:06:00] fiction element, but it's also fit into it's placed in the modern day. Where did this idea come from? I'm fascinated to know where this idea was originated and what the Genesis of it was.Greg. Um, but, well, you know, it's interesting part of the, um, challenge and the low budget world. I mean, it was never, I don't think it was ever a consideration for us to make it any kind of period piece, even though we wanted film noir. And as I said, conspiracy film from the seventies and even Hitchcock does sort of resonate, um, throughout the story.Um, so. You know, it was always going to be contemporary setting, but because it's a detective story and kind of old fashioned in that sense, we also wanted, first of all, to believe in a private detective character in, you know, 2015 or 16, you. You do have to set it in a place where you can [00:07:00] buy into a character living a little bit off the grid, working out of the back room of a bar using, um, you know, public phones and things like that.So, uh, that all sort of fit into this idea of this timeless quality. And it just, for us, it just added a layer to the, the depth of the story, given that it's about Tesla, who. Sort of definitive autobiography on Tesla's called man out of time. And, and then we've got this main character of Charlie Potynsky, who's a detective who's kind of out of time, you know, one's kind of forward thinking the other, one's a little backward thinking, but the two of them in a way come together in this world and Buffalo certainly feels like a place.You can imagine that that might happen well. And also along those lines, I think one of the key reasons that, you know, the, the Tessa element even exists. And then so much of the story is born out of that is because, you know, in wanting to tell a story back in his hometown of Buffalo, Greg, you went [00:08:00] down that rabbit hole of like, what, what were some of the things that were happening here?

Title: Before Orion, Myths and Heroes Description: Today Steve is joined by author Bernie Taylor to talk about his book, Before Orion. Bernie leads us through a discussion of the origin of myths, the human psyche and the birth of heroes. Learn More About our Guest:Bernie Taylor, author of Before Orionhttps://beforeorion.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Begin Transcript:[00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you so much for joining us again today, we are talking with author, Bernie Taylor, about his new book before Orion. Bernie Taylor is an independent naturalist and author before Orion finding the face of the hero of 2017 and biological time published in 2004.His research explores the mythological connections and biological knowledge among prehistoric indigenous and ancient peoples. We will be discussing how the hero's journey will be used in popular culture and in films, especially in the movie star wars. Thank you so much for joining us today. Bernie Stephen, thanks for having me on the show.And I believe that the [00:01:00] story of this hero's journey is one that we all traveled. Now Bernie, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself for your background? Sure. I'll kind of tell you how I fell into this. I wrote the previous book biological time, which was about how plants and animals know when to do things.How's a salmon known when the migrant river. The salmon node to come together, spawn how to geese know when to migrate and so on. It was a book about biological clocks. And then I asked myself the question, well, if someone must have known this before. And so I looked at a hunter gatherers. In fact, they have it in their calendars as well.Ancient peoples from the Mediterranean, the biological clocks was how they found their food because they didn't have Costcos the niceties that we have in our modern time. And when I was working on that, There was an image from Lusko, which the cave in France from about 17,000 years ago. And this image is of a mega loss serous.A mega losses is like a huge elk, but just bigger and bigger rack and all that [00:02:00] sort of stuff. And this, this mega loss versus blowing out. So we can tell it by that has a huge rack. It's in the fall, it's running condition and it's blown steam out it's in the morning. So we kind of have a lot about time and place in that.And under that Meg Gloucester's with the blowing out the steam, it's got 13 days. And I, I looked at that concept as it relates to the how the, um, large Angela Institute, deer, elk, how they drop their antlers and how they come together to run and an all the timing, all that sort of stuff. And it fit how hunter gatherers in native Americans targeted the deer.And the elk was exactly the same timing as these people are doing it 17,000 years. Which makes sense because the animals didn't change. Could you tell us a little bit why you wrote this particular book before Orion? I wrote bylaws time and I gave lots of presentations to the tribes, to scientific organizations, you know, classes, college classrooms, and so on.And I put it on the shelf for [00:03:00] 13 years and I said, I'm going to raise my daughter who is now 16 picking off the shelf. 13 years later. I started getting with the dots. And I said to myself, well, if I'm going to find the origins of this concept of biological time, I need to go back further. And I went back 40,000 years ago in the ELCA steel cave, which has the oldest cave art or known to man, or has been at least chronicled that we can actually date.And there's a series of dots that run across this panel. It's called the, the, um, the panel hands. And the one dot was dated to 40,000 years ago, five, six years ago. It was huge news. It's a curved surface, this, this cave wall, which you can't take a very good picture. So the media would just like, shoot a picture of the red dot and then people ask the question.Well, what's the red dot, you know, you know, if it was, uh, you know, running IBEX or a mega lossless, you know, they might kind of find a story. They couldn't find the story in this red dot and it wasn't a very good. So they ran with another image from the SA same cave system on the gallery disc. [00:04:00] And this one's a flat panel.You can see 80 or so dots streaming across. It's absolutely beautiful. And well, I looked at that and I said to myself, well, let's go working on that lots again, just like I didn't enlist. And I also said to myself, this, this is a 10 meter panel, almost 30 feet. It's huge. There's gotta be more of than on this thing than dots red, these red discs and with the red district about the size of your hand, the most common animal in the Palaeolithic was the horse.So maybe there's a horse in there. So I go looking for the horse. I didn't find a horse two, three years later, but before I found the horse, I found lines. I found elephants. I found. I found all these animals that were in either in Europe at the time or in Africa. And that's how it led into this concept of before.A big part of this buck is the hero's journey. What is the hero's journey? Good question. Really good question. And that ties in this whole thing before I said that there was, these [00:05:00] animals are in Europe, there's animals in Africa, and there's a, so then for someone traveled between the two places and I was strictly looking at this one, the.And someone said to me, you know, you're telling the story, the hero's journey. And I knew the co roughly knew the concept of Joseph Campbell through, through the metaphor of the story of star wars. And Joseph Campbell said that theirs is a journey that we all take in our storytelling it's and myths throughout the world.He called it the model myth. And in this journey, someone leaves a place of familiarity. So Dorothy, she leaves the land. She leaves Kansas. And she goes off into her dream world. Then she goes to another place where she finds companions. We have the scarecrow with a 10 man and the cowardly lion and they help her on her journey.And she also picks up magical ambulance and potions and things to help her and as the good witch and the bad witch and they battle each other and ultimately Darthy comes to face herself. She realizes that, you know, there's no place like home. And so by facing that fantasy, she had of having to [00:06:00] leave.Kansas to find the better place over the rainbow. She projected herself back to, um, to Kansas. And it's like, that's like a mini hero's journey. And we, we tell this story throughout mythology and we see it in the big screens. Um, think of Lord of the rings, where Frodo goes on a journey to, to put the ring into the mountain of Mordor.Yes. To return the ring to where it was smelted to set society. And then he goes back to his home to tell his story is very similar to the, the general theme of Darthy. And of course, we find this in star wars. Let's back up just a little bit to get into your book. Before we talk about pop culture. You really focus in on one geographic area, that area of these caves in Southern Spain?Probably not everybody is intimate with the knowledge of Southern Spanish, Northern north Africa [00:07:00] geography. Maybe you can set the table a little. How this area has a really specific geography. Absolutely. Well there's I use two panels or two images in two caves. One is so-called Gorham action, which is at the rocker Gibraltar at the Strait between Southern Spain and Northern Africa.Northern Africa would be at Morocco to one side is the Mediterranean. And the other side is the. The gallery of discs and the Al Casteel cave isn't way north of Spain, near Bilbao. So we're talking up the top side of the Iberian peninsula, Spain, geographically. This is. So a person in Northern Spain travels across Spain, he swims across.We can actually show them in the image. He swims across the Strait of Gibraltar, where you find animal Marine animals, there's dolphins seal, and then he arrives on the other side. Which has draft elephant lions with manes, which were not [00:08:00] in European caviar. So we, and the Barbary Macau, which is an animal and ape, that's indigenous to the Atlas mountains of Morocco.

Title: Akira – More than Manga Description: Today Steve is joined by frequent guest Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcast to talk about the 1988 sci-fi anime classic Akira. We talk about the huge themes this movie tackles and the challenges of understanding the cultural aspects of this movie from a western perspective. Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider PodcastReconsidermedia.orgYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By TMS Entertainment, Toho - CineMaterial, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=41984890Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Erik of the Reconsider Podcast. Links to learn more about Erik and Reconsider can be found at reconsidermedia.org or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] We're going to talk about the 1988 Japanese manga anime film, our Kira. And I have to admit that before this, I did not love Anna Mae, but I think this movie really started to change my mind. It's a, it's a great movie that I think you get lost that you don't think of it as a cartoon, as you're watching.And I think the other mistake that I made was watching it dub D and this time I watched it with subtitles. That makes all the difference in the world. And maybe we can talk about subtitles versus dubbing at some point, but, um, just a really quick overview as this movie takes place in new Tokyo and 2019.So three years ago, There Tokyo was annihilated by a nuclear bomb during world war three, which happened in 1988. We'll get into the ESB angle of that. Uh, but new [00:01:00] Tokyo is a violent post-apocalyptic dystopian nightmare where it's ruled by street gangs, ineffective and corrupt government and police and just, um, layers of government.And it's just this huge. Built up post-apocalyptic nightmare, but there's some different aspects of that that we can get into. But it's, it's basically in this movie, we have riots, ESP science fiction and all the great things that are fun. Uh, Eric, maybe the first thing we can get into is, um, is this anime magnet, manga?What's the difference? Magma. Liquid hot magma. Um, so, so I'm not, I'm not a. Anime manga buff, uh, in the way that a lot of people are. Um, but here's, here's the good news. So, so you'll see a lot about a Cura, the Akira, the anime, and Akira, the manga. And you're [00:02:00] like, are these being used interchangeably? It turns out they're two different things.So Akita the anime. So anime is like his animation. So if it's animated, if it's like a cartoon it's anime, um, it was made in 19. It's based off of CUDA, the manga that was written. So manga is like a comic book written in 1982. So we're we, um, we, a kid of the anime or the anime is, um, it is shorter. And the plot diverges substantially from Akira, the manga much like.Uh, blade runner and do Androids dream of electric sheep, and 2001 a space Odyssey, the movie versus 2001, the space, obviously the book, right? Like, so we see it's actually, it's interesting like you and I, I think it's because you asked me what movies I want to watch. Like we're seeing like the theme I've got here.Um, but yes, a kid on the animate in 1980, Mostly, well, it's somewhat sticks to the first half of, of a kid on the manga, [00:03:00] 1982. And, um, and like one of, one of the, like kinda the kid or the anime is not necessarily for everyone. It is a, like, I think it is a landmark. And like, it is, it is historically incredibly important, much of the same way that, like, I don't know if 2001, a space Odyssey, even for everyone, like some people are just gonna get bored out of their skulls.Now I think it's probably a sign that. It's a sign of the times that you get bored out of your skull, uh, watching 2001, a space Odyssey, like too much tick-tock and other short film. But, um, but, but I think a kit assembly is not for everyone because like the plot is almost incoherent and I wanted to, like, I wanted to get your impression, Steve.Cause I know when we talked about this, you're like, I don't even know. I don't even like Anna and like, this is a weird, you know, like there's a lot of weird anime out there. This is like a super weird. And so I'm glad you liked it, but what was your like, you know, I want to know, like, what was your first impression AF as soon as you're done, right?As soon as like like starts the big bang right. In this new universe [00:04:00] that was just created somehow. Um, like what did you walk away? It, it's an absolutely confusing movie. There's so much going on and there's different aspects of it that I really loved. And then there were some that I kind of had to muscle through.Like, I think that the, the investigating the society that was really cool and like with the gangs and their interactions with the police and that vocational school that they went to, I kind of, there was certain things like if they had cure it, rated it. I would have curated it more in those directions.I think the, a lot of the stuff with the ESP got very confusing and kind of weird, especially that last scene, which was the one guy like kept like turning into different blobs than like yeah. And absorbing, and that was. But that was hard too. That was hard to wrap your mind around. And that's one of the, yeah.And so those were some of the areas that I was hoping that you might be able to walk [00:05:00] us through a little bit more. And I think that I, I really liked the part of it that you got lost in it, that it was three big chunks in the movie. You did not think that you were watching something animated, like the animation.So not what I was expecting in anime and maybe some of the more like, um, kid focused anime that I've seen in the past where this was, this was an adult movie, not adult movie. It was a mature movie for, uh, for adults. It was not a child's cartoon. No, no, it's super not yet. I think that, um, and there's a lot of animation that we watch that is either for children or for both, right?Like every Pixar film we ever watch. And I could, like, I think I've seen them all and I would like love to do a Pixar film with. They're great. And they're like, really, you know, they're there, they can be appreciated by any adult, but they can also be measured by any kid. This is [00:06:00] not for kids at all. Do not show this to your children.Right. Um, there's a little like, it's like that time that like someone got mad, like some, some parents got mad cause they took their kids to see Deadpool and they're like, oh, this is FDIC. Like if there was only, there was some way to like warn us that like a superhero film would be FDIC. It's like, yeah, it had an R rating lady.Like. But yes. So similarly like this, this seems to break out of the genre a little bit. Um, and in some ways that's true, but what's interesting about. Um, what's interesting about anime is that it's such an art form. It is, it is an art form that has a lot of, um, like, and so I'm like, I find myself kind of defending it sometimes much in the same way that our defended metal people are like, oh, metal is just like grates on the ears.It's like, yeah, some metal, but like some like, but like it's very diverse genre. And so a lot of the anime that we, that, that like, if you're not into enemy that you get exposed to around the edges, it's like dragon ball Z or, uh, Pokemon. I don't [00:07:00] know if that's on a may as such, but yeah, it is anime a hundred percent.

Title: Dangerous History, Made in AmericaDescription: Today we are join by CJ of the Dangerous History Podcast to talk about the 2017 movie American Made starring Tom Cruise. CJ leads us through the really dirty history and background behind this fictionalized account of 80’s drug trafficking in the United States.Learn More About our Guest:Prof CJ’s Dangerous History Podcasthttp://profcj.org/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTUxNzUwMjk1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNDkwODI1MjI@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,675,1000_AL_.jpg, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=54231436Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to beyond the big screen today. I'm very happy to be joined by prof CJ of the dangerous history podcast. We're going to discuss a very interesting bit of history from the 1970s and 1980s through the lens of the movie American made starring Tom cruise released just in 2017.We will discuss a wide variety of topics from the proxy wars in central America to the drug wars, Iran, Contra, and much more. And so thank you very much for coming on the show today, CJ. Oh, you're very welcome. It's great to talk to you before we get started. Can you just tell us a little bit about yourself and your show?The dangerous history podcast? Sure. Yeah. Well, I've been. Teaching college history since I [00:01:00] think 2006, and I started back in 2014, a podcast called the dangerous history podcasts, and you can go to dangerous history, podcast.com and find it all the usual podcast venues, you know, iTunes and so forth. And I've always really been interested in the kind of dark corners of history that.Neglected by a lot of the typical mainstream coverage of history. It leaves out a lot of what I think is the most interesting stuff. And there there's a lot of, lot of history that's hidden in plain sight and it's easily found in a library or these days online, but just nobody knows it. So I would share those sorts of things with my classes, you know, within the, within the context of like an American history class or whatever.But ultimately I decided I wanted an outlet where I can really just dig into all that stuff. So my show covers all sorts of different [00:02:00] time periods and topics. And I always try to kind of dig up the things that people just. I don't know. Yeah. That's why I really love your show. It's when you get into those pieces of history where you're like, wow, that really happened.It gives you a really different perspective on how things went down. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the things that I cover are things that, you know, to the average person, who's never encountered any of these things might strike them as like bizarre conspiracy theories. And I always say that I don't deal in conspiracy theories.You know, if there's something that's not, not proven, I'll maybe mention, oh, there's a rumor of blah, blah, blah. I can't prove it. So who knows if it's true, but the thing is there are so many things out there that are not theory anymore. You know, where, where things have been exposed one way or another, um, over the years that you don't need to be a theorist to have all kinds of bizarre and sometimes funny and sometimes disturbing stories, um, about some of the darker things that have happened.And I think we're going to get into quite a few of those in. [00:03:00] Discuss this movie. Yeah. Yeah. This movie is definitely right up the alley of a lot of the sorts of things I cover on my show. So as I said, this movie was released in the latter half of 2017 and it stars Tom cruise as the character Barry seal, we'll get into him in just a moment.The film isn't directly based on a book or on a particular source. That's a fictionalized story about true events. And interestingly, it's directed by Doug Liman whose father attorney Arthur Liman was chief counsel for the Senate Iran Contra investigation. And also there was a lot more in this story about some connections between the CIA.Can you maybe get into just a little bit about this production? Even the production of this movie has some interesting twists and turns. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I tried really hard, um, two things that I tried to dig up in preparing for this show, um, that I wasn't quite [00:04:00] able to nail down. Um, one was, I was trying to get to see if I could find floating out there on the internet anywhere a copy of the original script, because you know, so sometimes you can do that.You can find just out there posted somewhere as a PDF or whatever, an original script, because as I'm sure lots of people know, um, very often the, the original script for a movie, and then what ends up actually being the final script and getting made as the movie are often very, very, very different. And in this case, um, the original script was actually entitled MENA, a reference to MENA Arkansas, which is where, um, Barry seal eventually makes his headquarters for his smuggling operation.And. Um, I, the, the name of the writer escapes me. Um, and I forgot to, I forgot to jot it down, but the original script from what I've dug up, I haven't been able to find it, but I found some, some articles and things talking about it. And the original script was more about the overall operation itself and [00:05:00] broad focused, more specifically on like the CIA's involvement and all that.And the final script, what was actually made into the movie that's there, but it's not, that's not the focus as much. And instead the actual movie is more focused on seals, personal story. So the focus is different. It's not as focused just on the sort of smuggling Iran-Contra angle though. That's part of it.And also from what I found in the original script, they supposedly showed more, uh, direct contact in various ways between Barry seal and both George HW Bush. And between Barry seal and bill Clinton. So, um, there are a couple of quick scenes where this is brought up and they do, you know, give little illusions to it and things, but they, they apparently the original script had a lot more of those kinds of scenes, including by the way, there was originally going to be a scene [00:06:00] where Barry seal actually meets with bill Clinton in person and Clinton at the time is getting a lap dance.And that scene obviously didn't make it into the film and I'm not sure, you know, why, why did they reduce the amount of showing, you know, contact and perhaps complicity between seal and both the Clintons and bushes when there's a fair amount of evidence out there to show that there was a lot of maybe not always personal face to face contact, but a lot of, you know, people kind of helping protect seal for a number of years while he was doing his thing.And it's possible it could be to limit. How much the film negatively depicts, um, the American political elites. Like they're willing to do a little bit of it, but not too much. I don't know. Um, it also might potentially have been because of legal worries that if they depicted too many scenes of Clinton and or Bush helping out this, this dirty smuggler that, you know, because those are ex presidents who are both still alive that [00:07:00] I don't know, maybe they'd face some sort of, some sort of legal issue.Um, something like that. And just one more thing, interestingly, I think anyway, because who knows how the movie would have been, but I believe when the script was originally sold, Ron Howard was going to make the film and then obviously it ended up being Doug Liman, but who knows, you know, how different of a movie it might've been.If, if Ron, Ron Howard did it now on the, on the other topic that you raised, the topic of was the CIA self involved in actual. The production of the movie in some way, I wasn't able to, to find a clear answer. I did my best. And sometimes you can find this. Sometimes they admit it. Um, this is something that I've been getting more into lately and maybe the last few months, or year or something, I've really come to realize that the amount of direct and indirect influence that [00:08:00] the defense department and the CIA have over Hollywood movies is huge.And I kinda knew it was there. And I knew it was a thing, but it's like bigger and deeper and more profound than I had ever thought when I really started digging in. So the CIA and, and the military in the United States have what they call entertainment, liaison offices, or ELs, and what these offices do is, and that they're heavily connected to Hollywood producers.They, the people who work for these offices, they rub elbows with top Hollywood people all the time and go to parties and things. And the, what they do is they offer movie makers, things like the ability to shoot on a military or CIA facility or. Providing technical consultants and expertise to try to make the movie, um, more realistic or the action scenes more compelling.

Title: Donald and Melinda Maclean, a Traitorous Spy TeamDescription: Join us as Steve talks with historian Michael Holzman about the dynamic duo of deception, Donald and Melinda Maclean. Donald Maclean lived an incredible lifestyle. He traveled in all of the most important circles of the British Foreign Service, until the authorities began circled around him because he was a spy for the Soviet Union. Then Maclean disappeared, only to show up in Moscow where he lived a second life as a Soviet Academic. Learn More About our Guest:Michael Holzman author of:Spies and Traitors: Kim Philby, James Angleton and the Friendship and Betrayal that Would Shape MI6, the CIA and the Cold Warhttps://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Spies-and-Traitors/Michael-Holzman/9781643138077You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:KEYSTONE-FRANCE/GAMMA-KEYSTONEBegin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Michael Holzman, author of numerous books on espionage and the Cold War. Links to learn more about Michael and his books can be found at his author’s page in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Thank you again for joining us today, I am very excited to be joined by special guest Michael Holtzman, author of the book, Donald and Melinda McClain idealism and espionage. Michael is the author of numerous books, including James Jesus Angleton, the CIA and craft of intelligence, a biography of guy Burgess, spies, and trends.Kim Philby James Angleton and the friendship and betrayal that would shape my sex as well as a novel packs. 1934 through 41. Michael has been on the show previously to talk about James Angleton, Kim Philby and Klaus Fuchs through his book on. Spies and traders. So I think this will fit in very well with this.So today we're going to talk about another spy trader story, which is related to the others. We have talked about the subject today is the dynamic duo of double crossing Donald and Melinda McLean. Their story's more [00:01:00] complicated though than that's. Um, so I really, I'm very thankful that Michael Holtzman is here today to tell us the rest of this incredible story.Okay. Now, before we delve into the details of Donald and Melinda McClain's life, maybe you can give us a really quick overview of what their story was from the 10,000 foot view to, and then we can start digging into some of us specifics. The story is usually told as the story of the career of Donald claim, Don, the client was.Very successful foreign service officer of the British empire from 1938 or so until 1951. And then had a second career as a, uh, think tank person specializing in political science. And Moscow during his career for the [00:02:00] foreign office, the British foreign office, he was posted in many very important places.Paris London, back in London, New York, Washington, and, uh, made it his practice. To send copies of everything that came across his desk that he thought would be interested in Moscow to Moscow, that a result of that, uh, during that period, as one of his colleagues said, it would have been better if the British hadn't done that they, uh, smelly learned all of the inside details about things like.Carlos an intervention in the winter war, uh, Penland in the Soviet union and crucially, they learned everything there was to learn about policy issues involving the atomic bomb and the plant. Preemptive [00:03:00] atomic war against the Soviet union in the late 1948. What was some of his, uh, Donald Maclean's background?Where did he come from? And what was his early education? Um, a member of was called tenability of the row. He wasn't quite on the rest of it. His father was a member of parliament, uh, something of a self-made man from Scotland. Um, his mother came from a very similar background to that. Uh, uh, they weren't arrested Kratts, but they were very comfortably off and extremely well connected to political.Tunnel. And that claim was sent to Gresham's school in Norfolk, which was considered to be a progressive school. And coincidentally, it was a school that attended by crime grain, and [00:04:00] all of us also Benjamin Britten. He did very well there. He played sports. He was extremely active in a school in those days.And it's quite well-prepared for the university education. He then went to Cambridge and he, uh, lived at Trinity. Which is a remarkable and smart college, certainly by American standards, two or three buildings squeezed in between Trinity and Kings. He imagined in modern languages, you've got a person with the highest possible.Uh, score there. He made many trends. A lot of those friends were on the left and somewhere on the far left and some became was, he was, that was a McLean ideology, ideological and college. Did he get involved in the actual communist party or end these groups or was it [00:05:00] just a, uh, something he was interested in?You became interested in McSwain politics while he was still at Gresham's. Uh, his best friend was a man named James , who was, uh, uh, came from a business background, family business. And James Kligman a very politically conscious, very young age. Um, a claim was politically conscious as father to the member of parliament, who was also a member of the cabinet, came to the school and gave lectures and they.We're oriented towards a world government at that time. Peace so far, uh, when he was at Cambridge, got rapidly, went to the left and was probably we'll have to distinguish here between being a communist and being a member of the communist party. You've as a communist [00:06:00] beliefs in a comedy as ideology. Yeah.As soon as he stepped into canvas, which is fairly ironic, given how privileged Cambridge was, um, whether he joined the communist party or not, we can say John comments, but it's not clear that the communist party thought he was incontinence. That was a bureaucratic issue. So the background of this.Economics that your socioeconomic situation and England at the time, you had a very small really I've been reading the diaries of, uh, Henry Chip's Channon, who was a social blight in this period. And if I can calculate that the aristocracy. Comprised of maybe 2000 adults. This was in a, in a country of 50 million people that most of the, uh, political influence, the political power in the country was through these 2000.And, uh, the associated [00:07:00] people, like a claims father, they had incomes, uh, something like, uh, five to 10,000 pounds a year that would have been $45,000. And the currency of that time and 50 times. Um, and our occurrence, that's a time typical working class families had a hundred pounds, um, and they were starting slowly.We need to talk a little bit to the Cambridge five because somebody like Donna McClain, he didn't come out of nowhere. He was in this group of like-minded individuals. Yes. Uh, I can cross with a Scott and that's not really part of this. He was only associated with it, a memoir. So the, uh, Soviet official, there was, uh, a group of slightly older people and Cambridge, uh, professionals who were kind of theoretical [00:08:00] communes.They had seen, uh, The same situation and they had earlier, uh, decided to that, that made that same decision, the crucial, uh, point, uh, political point, listen to general strike in the early 1920s where, uh, coal miners were, had their incomes cut below the subsistence level by the coal owners. And they went on strike and.

Title: Gung Ho and the Story of Marine RaidersDescription: Today Steve talks again with Professor James Early, certified American History Fanatic and host of The Key Battles of American History Podcast about the 1943 World War 2 film Gung Ho! This film in a way fairly accurately portrays the events of the Marine Raider Battalion led by Major Evans Carlson. James has a close connection to this movie, so you will want to find out!Learn More About our Guest:James Early host of The Key Battles of American History PodcastKeybattlesofamericanhistory.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By The poster art can or could be obtained from Universal Studios., Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=28900379Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Professor James Early of the Key Battles of American History Podcast and fellow member of the Parthenon Podcast Network. Links to learn more about James can be found at key battles of American history dot com or in the Show Notes. You can also search up James’ group American History Fanatics on Facebook.You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Today we are going to talk about the 1943 masterpiece. Some might say world war II, film gung ho with the movie is very loosely based off of the Carlson Raiders Marine Raiders of the ILN of Macon. And we're joined today by professor James early of the key battles of world war II. I am just fumbling all over myself today.We are joined today by professor James early of the key battles of American history podcast. To discuss this, I guess you might say incredible movie, James. Thanks for coming on while we're probably on your show too. So thanks for collaborating on this great movie. Going, whoa, gung ho gung ho, I guess let's just start off because I'm sure most people are familiar with you, but why don't you introduce yourself?Sure. I am, uh, a part-time or [00:01:00] adjunct professor of us history at San Jacinto college, which is in Pasadena, Texas. That's just south and east of Houston. And I've been teaching for oh gosh, six or seven years now. And I'm just a huge history fanatic. I've been a history level all my life. I started a Facebook group back in 2016 called American history fanatics, and it's grown to about 5,500 people and we have some really good discussions there and posts about all kinds of things related to us history or American history.I also have done a few podcasts. Probably most of the listeners have heard one or more of them, but I've done four limited series with Scott rank who also does the history of unplugged podcast and other great one. We did, uh, let's see presidential fight club in 2017 key battles of the civil war in 2018 key battles of the revolutionary war in 2019 and key battles of world war II in 2020.And then. [00:02:00] Finally says, uh, get out of here, do your own podcast in a polite way, but he gave me the opportunity to have my own solo podcasts. So I did. And of course, uh, one of the first things I did was invite Scott back on to be my partner again, just for awhile. We're, we're, I'm going to work with a partner, uh, but different partners, you know, just kind of mix it up a little bit, get different voices in there.So the, the podcast is called key battles of American history. And my intention is to do several seasons and each season will be either. One particular war or on films. I'm a huge film buffets. I mean, you know that you are too. And so I like to talk about war films or just history related films in Gerald.They don't have to be about war necessarily, but so when I kicked off the key battles of American history podcast, I started with a series called key our world war one on film. And I brought in Sean MacGyver, uh, formerly of [00:03:00] the come and take it podcast. And Sean and I talked about 10 different world war, one movies.Now, as we record this, we're in July of 2021. We, uh, I'm doing a series on the, the Pacific war. So it's key battles of the Pacific theater world war II. And then I'm going to do a world war two on film, Pacific theater, only at least for now series. And this will probably be part of that series. I'll probably run this with that series.So I've been really busy the last several years. Yeah. Let's, let's get this whole thing started by maybe just giving us the broad overview of this, make an island rate, but this film is based upon, okay. I can do that. Let's let's back up a step if I may though. And let's just talk about what we're Marine Raiders in general, not really that many people know anything about the Marine Raiders.The Marine Raiders were America's very first special forces unit. At least I'm going to call them that somebody will probably say, [00:04:00] wait, wait, what about so-and-so? But, but the first major. Special forces unit. They were conceived of actually, as early as the 1930s, there were two men in particular that were the, I guess the fathers of this idea, they were Lieutenant Colonel Marat Edson also called Mike Mike Edson.And even more importantly, Lieutenant Colonel Evans Carlson, uh, both of these men were Marine officers who had served in world war one. And then they had spent time in some of the so-called banana wars in the central American and Caribbean islands during the 1920s and thirties. Uh, they'd served in Nicaragua.Uh, see, I, I think that's the only one Nicaragua I might be wrong. I know Carlson was also in the Mexican punitive expedition when Pershing was down there searching for poncho via, and both men had also been in. And they had observed, although they observed [00:05:00] very different things. The, uh, the well Mike Edson, he was observing the Japanese forces while the Japanese were fighting the Chinese.I mean, he was, he was stationed with the Chinese, but he focused more on Japanese tactics and learning their system. Carlson was very different. Evans Carlson actually hung out with the communists. He was, uh, he actually got to know Moussa dong and some of his top leaders, he hung out, hung out with the eighth rout army.And he was very impressed by the tactics used by the Chinese communist guerrillas to fight Japanese troops from the communist cross and learn the phrase gung ho, which means work in harmony or work together. And Carlson kind of adopted these kind of left wing political views. He was seen by many. Top brass of the Marine Corps is soft on communism.I think that's a phrase that was later brought into a currency, but, but he would have been, they would have applied that term to him. One, one Marine general said [00:06:00] he may be red, but he's not yellow. So both of these men were very interesting and, uh, very interested in taking the tactics that they have to observe and applying them to the Marines and Carlson, especially came up with this idea, uh, that it would be helpful to have highly trained elite, special forces units who could sneak a shore on Japanese held islands because everybody knew even by the late thirties, the war with Japan was very likely.So these guys, they would make raids and gather intelligence about the islands and Japanese forces there just kind of go in search and destroy, blow stuff up, raise as much hell as possible and then get out. And they would be modeled after British commandos. You could also think about today's Navy seals, army Rangers, things like that, but they didn't have those bags.And, uh, there was some opposition to this idea, one very influential Marine commander, general Alexander Vandergrift, who was the overall commander of the invasion of Guadalcanal. He didn't [00:07:00] like the idea of an elite unit within the Marines. He and others thought that all Marines relate forces. I mean, think about the Marines are supposed to be the, the tough guys.

Title: Warren G Harding: A President for the Jazz AgeDescription: Today we are joined by multiple time guest, author Ryan S. Walters to talk about the short, but important presidency of Warren G. Harding. Harding often doesn’t do well in presidential rankings, but Ryan is working to give us a new perspective on a president who was much more impactful than he is given credit for. Ryan lays out the case for Warren G. Harding in his new book: The Jazz Age PresidentLearn More About our Guest:Ryan S. WaltersRyanswalters.nethttps://www.regnery.com/9781621578840/the-jazz-age-president/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Ryan S Walters, author of The Jazz Age President: Defending Warren G. Harding . Links to learn more about Ryan and his book can be found at at ryanswalters.net or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] I'd like to welcome Ryan S. Walters back to beyond the big screen. Ryan is an independent historian and frequent guest of the show. Welcome back. And it's great to have you on again. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. I guess I'm a third go around. I think.Oh, it's my pleasure. And Brian is the author of several books, including disaster at NASA book on Apollo one. He is also the author of two books on Grover Cleveland. And you can listen to the episodes on both of these books or all three of these books and go back and, um, buy the books as well. And all of that.Found in the show notes, but today we are going to talk about the 29th president of the United States. Warren G Harding. And Ryan has written a book on Warren G Harding on the jazz age. President Harding was president from March of 1921 to August of 1923. And this is a really [00:01:00] interesting time in American history and political history.Now to set the stage, we talked about Grover Cleveland in one of your previous appearances on the podcast. And Cleveland's presidency was during an age of great change. Cleveland was a Democrat and Harding was a Republican, but there seems to be some similarities that cross over in a lot of respects, what was happening in American politics during that roughly 20 ish years between Cleveland's presidency and Hardings presidents.Yeah. That's, that's something that, that, um, has made a lot of, uh, news and recent years. The, the two parties seem to have switched places, at least on a lot of issues from the 19th century to the 20th. And you're exactly right. Cleveland was a Jeffersonian Democrat, and I call him the last Jeffersonian. He was really the last Democrat president that we had that.Espouse those ideals of limited government states' rights, federalism, low taxes, low tariffs, [00:02:00] no debt, things like that. Non-active government non-interventionist foreign policy. We don't associate any of that with the democratic party today. I mean the democratic party after Cleveland started to go left beginning with William Jennings, Bryan, who was nominated in 1896, and then it went to Woodrow Wilson and FDR.Um, both parties actually had. No conservative and liberal wings. It just depended on which one was dominated. Of course, as I said, the democratic party has just continued to go left a little more. Every time we get another democratic president, but there's the conservative element began to dominate the Republican party beginning with Warren Harding.Before that, uh, the Republicans were more progressive, there was a big progressive elements in the. Uh, the previous Republican presidents were Roosevelt and Taft. They were certainly nothing like Warren Hardy, but now you get this strong, conservative wing that begins to dominate the Republican party beginning with Harding and Coolidge, and kind of went away with Hoover.But Harding [00:03:00] was probably the most conservative, Republican up until one, probably one of the most conservative Republicans we've ever had in the presidential. Can you to set him up just a little bit, tell us a little bit about his early career and his pre presidential career. And he didn't have a lot. He didn't serve a lot of time in the office.He was not really. Career politician, a total of, of all of his years of service. It was only about 15 years. Harding was born on November the second, 1865 a year. The civil war ended, the civil war had been over several months. By the time he was born, uh, interesting fact toy. He was actually elected on November the second, 1920 he's the only president we've ever had that was elected on his birthday.Um, he began his career. Um, again, he wasn't born wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but he, but he got into journalism first as a reporter. And he eventually, as a very young man, um, bought a newspaper, the Marion star, he was in Marion, Ohio. Um, and made it a very profitable [00:04:00] enterprise, then that's sort of what got him into politics because he got press passes, um, to attend political consensus.He actually attended the first national convention. He attended the Republican national convention was in 1884. Uh, interestingly, which is the year Grover Cleveland was elected. So he was at the convening. That nominated James G Blaine against Cleveland before kind of what it is appetite for that, uh, who served a couple of terms in the Ohio state Senate early in the 20th century, he served one term as Ohio's Lieutenant governor, uh, lost a bid in 1910, uh, for the governorship of Ohio, but he came back in 1940.One a us Senate seat, a six year term in the Senate, which would end in 19, he would have to run for a second term, but he was given the presidential nomination that year at the convention. And then of course served 881 days as president of United States. Some of the major issues that were confronting the parties.And, um, just in general, in the U S at that point for the. [00:05:00] The precedent to tackle. And this is something that I spend a lot of time on in the book. This is not a full biography of Warren Harding. I don't go into a lot of his background, but there is some, if you don't know much about him, you can certainly pick that up.But I start the book with the fight over the league of nations in 1918. And you really have to understand Harding and Hardee's election. You have to put them in the proper context. And there's a reason Harding, a man like Harding and his vice-presidential candidate. Uh, Calvin Coolidge was elected because of what was going on in the country.And you really have to go back to the previous 20 years that the country had been. In a progressive tide for the previous 20 years from Teddy Roosevelt TAF. And then of course, Woodrow Wilson, a lot of progressive reforms were going on and it was a lot of change for the people over there. Your period culminating in Woodrow Wilson's crusade in Europe, world war one, a lot of historians tried to say, well, progressive isn't really bad.In 1917, we entered the war. No, [00:06:00] absolutely not. Not opinion. War one was a progressive. Uh, war, uh, it was for, you know, a war to make the world safer democracy, a war to end all wars. Those are progressive ideals. You look at what progressivism was about. We would, we just moved it to Europe. That's all we'd done.And so coming out of the war, you get the treaty of Versailles. You get the fight over the league of nations and Harding was in the Senate. The Senate had to approve that treaty with the league of nations. I go into that story. Woodrow Wilson would not compromise on that. What so ever. The problem is the league had, um, in the league, in the charter, it was in the treaty.

Title: A Taste of the Future of Law Enforcement: RoboCopDescription: Is RoboCop as relevant today as it was when it was released in 1987? In today’s episode, Steve and Chris examine the movie RoboCop and the sequel RoboCop 2. We talk about science fiction, dystopian fiction and more!You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By http://www.impawards.com/1987/robocop.html, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=18685790Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to our frequent guest, Chris. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. You can get books, early released and ad free episodes and even becoming a part of the team! Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Welcome back to beyond the big screen. We're joined again by Chris. Um, and you'll know Chris from pro meet the S but today we're going to delve in, in a really similar way to another 80 scifi movie Robocop and not just Robocop one Robocop two. We're going to look at w what did this movie, what were some of the big ideas and concepts that this movie was trying to.Dig into and talk about. So it's really much more than an action movie. It's it's really is trying to in an 80 scifi kind of way, tap into some really interesting and complicated social and technological issues. So, Chris, how are you doing? Doing quite well? I, myself, um, yeah, roll Robocop is, uh, it's just a, it's a movie I grew up with all the time.It's uh, Pretty much anytime I get sick, it's the first thing I throw on is Robocop because I get I'll order a pizza or something and just watch [00:01:00] Robocop until I get better in the morning. It's just, I've watched it so many times. I just think it's, it's brilliant. But the basic premise of Robocop, I guess I should lay this out for the audiences.So Detroit is falling apart basically. And this is for both movies, Robocop and Robocop, uh, to Detroit is falling apart. Uh, the criminals essentially are running the streets, um, and the cops are being, uh, killed. Right. They seem to, uh, the police force seems to be really ineffective at, uh, trying to control the, uh, criminality that's essentially running, uh, Detroit.Uh, w I think the reason they pick Detroit is well, because it's kind of what happened to Detroit. It's kind of what's going on in. Now, right. Um, that's just my personal opinion. I think. I don't know for sure. That was the reason the director picked it, the pick the [00:02:00] Detroit, but that's what I think. Um, but in the backdrop of all of it, and this is what makes kind of rural cop stand out from your regular.Uh, dystopian sci-fi action movie from the eighties, you have a company called Omni consumer products and throughout the movie and I, for, for our purposes, we're just going to call it OCP. Now, OCP is a private corporation think a place like Amazon or Google. One of these, you know, big mega corporations, Lockheed Martin at different divisions, but they're in involved in a lot of different things.Yeah. Um, they, from you find out pretty quickly, there's essentially they run the police force and Detroit, a privately owned corporation is running the police force in Detroit because as you'll find later in the second movie, Detroit has no money. They can't pay, they can't pay their own police force. So basically they had to sell it off to [00:03:00] Omni consumer products who, you know, which is interesting because.You wouldn't think like, oh, the police forces, uh, you know, something that you can run for profit, but obviously Omni consumer products has found a way to run it for a profit. Right. We find, uh, so we see later, uh, I, our main character, Alex, murdered. Uh, it was being transferred to Detroit and his first and the job with his partner Lewis, who was a female police officer.So I guess that was, I guess that was pretty progressive at the time. I don't know. Paul Verhoeven, who's the director of the Robocop movie. He always has done those types of things and there's movies. He's like he also directed Starship troopers. He did the movie basic and staying, he did the movie total recall.He's always done like the. I don't know how to describe it. He's always kind of done like this. Uh, he's always had this thing for almost kind of like this gender genderless society, I guess is the sense I can think [00:04:00] of where like, uh, not genderless, like, um, I dunno like the females are just in the arm, like in the police force, just like the males are in, like in the army and they're doing all the same things, right?Yeah. I would say at that time, It wasn't the first batch of women who were really integrated into the police department, but that probably was kind of the cutting edge of it. He it's much more ad it's much more like clear and Starship troopers. Yeah. Murphy is unfortunately brutally killed on his first day of the job also.And it's honestly, probably one of the most graphic by death scenes and eighties action. And from my under, from my reading, apparently it was supposed to be worse, but this studio is just like, no, that's going too far. So I can only imagine. I can only imagine what it looked like originally. So Alex Murphy is killed and he gets.He basically, they [00:05:00] harvest what's left of his body, which is pretty much what they want is his brain. And they use them for what they call the, the, the Robocop program, which is this program of merging, um, the human being with this machine to create like this. Super cop that doesn't have the hang ups of like total AI.So he can think for itself to a certain degree, but it's still like, it can be kind of programmed like a machine it's this weird like hybrid, right. And OCP. Makes the Robocop and, you know, smash success. He goes around and starts, you know, taking care of business and killing all the, uh, the criminals in the second one.Whereas like, whereas Detroit is kind of like a failing state in the first one. And the second one is a completely failed state where literally the there's a drug called, ran by a guy named Cain who is supposed to, he, the guy who plays Kane kind of [00:06:00] plays a model. I give Charles Manson had like an actual, like large, like ran a drug cartel.Uh, he has, he has a drug, uh, called nuke, which is apparently the most addictive drug in the world. It, they, the guy playing cane, this is the, one of the main, one of the better characters I thought in that movie, because I liked the way he played on me. Kind of reminded me of, I'm trying to think of the guy's name, who did the.The, uh, who was, uh, like the leader of the LSD move. Timothy Leary. Yeah. Where he thought like, Kane, thanks. He's like freeing people's minds to new experiences and giving them paradise. Um, but obviously it's doing the exact opposite. You know, the cops are addicted the new, uh, you'll find, you'll see that later in the movie, the whole, the whole city has just gone to crap, basically.It's there's no. It's it's so bad that like, and this is one of the funnier parts of the second one, which it makes it darker. And a lot of ways, the, one of [00:07:00] the main drug Lords he's like the second hand man is a 12 year old kid. He can't help, but laugh, you know, like, could, I couldn't only imagine like that movie getting made a big, big dollar holidays.Yeah. But as a 12 year old kid. Um, and then you find out that you find out later in the movie that from the mayor. Detroit has officially gone bankrupt. And I think I'm in of two movies that, um, and that day and age in the eighties, they really did tie together really well. I think that, you know, they did carry through.

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Title: Dredd – He is the Law Description: Today Steve is joined by frequent guest Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcast to talk about the 2012 incredible sci-fi action drama Dredd. We discuss what can be learned social movements and law enforcement in our times through this amazing film.Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider PodcastReconsidermedia.orgYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By May be found at the following website: IMP Awards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=36617316Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Erik of the Reconsider Podcast. Links to learn more about Erik and Reconsider can be found at reconsidermedia.org or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] I am very excited to welcome back Eric fog of the reconsider podcast to talk about the 2012 cult classic dread. Eric, how are you doing well? I'm better now because I'm talking about one of my favorite movies of all time. Uh, just, uh, people are in for a rare treat today. Th I, you know, I mean, look, last, last thing we put out was on pre-media.So you got to hear that you got to hear Eric and Steve rant about how crappy a movie it was. And we're just going to totally flip it on its head and talk about how like masterfully this bad boy is put together. So this movie at stars, Karl urban, Olivia Thoreau, B Lena Hadley. And domino Gleason, who was, he was magnificent and it, but what we'll get to that, let's slow down.Um, it's based on the comic book, judge dread, and there's no connection to the 1995 Stallone movie, judge Dredd. I personally liked judge dread, but it's a very different movie and they're not sequels or prequels in any way. Uh, now as always, we [00:01:00] feature plenty of spoilers. That's what we're calling with.That's what we're here for. You can listen to this episode and learn a lot about the movie, having never watched it. And you'll definitely want to watch this movie and listen to this episode several times, I guarantee it. You will. Uh, we will, and we definitely would love to hear what you have to think about this movie.So reach out to us on social media, send an email, whatever you want to do. The very high fly over of the basic setting of the movie, as it takes place in a dystopian future where the earth has been irradiated. And most of the planet's been left to uninhabitable. 800 ish million people are jammed into what's called a mega city one, which is basically the Northern half of the east coast of the United States.And this city has what you might call a crime problem. The city's police forces, the judges and the judges are more than just law enforcement. They are the law. Should we say that in Stallone style, [00:02:00] the law, and they really are. They are the law and this movie, it brings up so many different issues. And Erica, where should we start?I'll put that on you. Okay. Decide. Well, I think one of the things to emphasize in terms of the setup for this movie that makes some of the morality of the, of the judge read university and, uh, well, so interesting. I'll get to another point in a sec, is that, uh, at the very beginning of the movie, when, um, Karl urban dread is training, Olivia Thoreau, beat Anderson.So this is dread and Anderson. These are the two main characters when he's starting to train her. Um, he says, yeah, we got like, like we got like a million reports a day or something, and we can respond to no more than 6% of them. Right. And so like, they can't even like 94% of crime. They're just like, Nope, can't even, can't even do anything about it.And, um, and the crime is brutal. Like a lot. This isn't like, you know, this, the stuff that actually gets reported is the stuff that's bad enough to get reported. So there's a lot more crime beyond that that's not getting reported. [00:03:00] So, um, what that means is like, this is an extreme version of a society that.That's uh, gone like very, I dunno, like that's gone bad. And, um, what he talks about is like mega city is a it's cramped, it's poor. Um, it's basically a powder keg. And, uh, and so one of the big questions that is often being explored is this question of like Liberty. Um, Liberty and political rights. And like at what point do they erode right.At what point is it worth it to get rid of them? And, and we'll talk about that in a sec, but the other thing to note here is a lot of the stuff like this movie is so faithful to the, to the basics of judge dread. Um, cause judge, like the comic book gets weird. There's all sorts of like, uh, radiated monsters and like supervillains and stuff like that.Um, this is the basics. This is like, it's all humans. Um, it's just like exploring the society, [00:04:00] but it's very faithful to that. So a lot of what we'll be talking about is the mastery of the film. A lot of what we'll be talking about is the judge dread universe and decisions made in the judge at university, got translated to the movie.One of which is the city has a bit of a crime problem. And I thought that it was really cool how they laid that out in front. That it's only, it only answers 6,000 or 6% out of just an astronomical amount of calls that they get. Most of the movie is actually set inside of one location. They have these tower blocks that are basically cities inside of cities.Uh, there's a, there's a cool, uh, chase scene where we kind of learn a little bit about dread right up in the front and who these judges are. And they're how would you describe their, their law enforcement, uh, technique? Yeah, so the judges are very, the reason they are the law is they are judge, jury and executioner and police.So basically [00:05:00] what, what happened in this society where crime went through the roof is, you know, they basically said some rights and some like liberties are worth, are worth eliminating in order to improve as much as we can, our ability to give people the right to be safe from crime. And, um, and so we're going to give total dictatorial power to these judges and these judges have to be qualified, but there they are.Um, they are ruthless, they are merciless. And, um, and what happens is the, uh, you know, the mega city sends them out. Um, to deal with crimes and they get total authority, you know, it's like James Bond is licensed to kill. They, they have that license to sentence someone on the spot. Um, and so there's very much a who watches the Watchman question, um, because these folks have, you know, these judges have so much power.Um, and so little oversight that, that this is the dystopian part. That dystopian [00:06:00] part is not that the world is radiant. The dystopian part is the part is the way that the world decided to respond to or mega city one decide to respond to it's mega crime problem, which is, which is give certain people total authority over.Individual life and Liberty, um, to, to dispense with both of those, the little bit of the exposition that they get to before we go to the peach tree tower, where everything really unfolds is that dread is teamed up with a she's a wash out from the judge program, but they're giving her one more shot because she's has psychic abilities and may set up just a little bit.

Title: History of Olympic Figure SkatingDescription: Figure skating is a mainstay of the Winter Olympic Games. It is sometimes controversial and always fascinating to watch. Today we are joined by Ryan Stevens of the Skate Guard Blog to discuss the past, present and future of Olympic figure skating.Learn More About our Guest:Ryan Stevens of the Skate Guard Bloghttp://skateguard1.blogspot.com/https://twitter.com/SkateGuardBlogYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Ryan Stevens of the Skate Guard Blog. Links to learn more about Ryan and Skate Guard can be found at http://skateguard1.blogspot.com/ or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen., [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to this very special bonus episode of beyond the big screen today, we aren't specifically talking about a movie, but instead we're revisiting a topic we discussed in a previous episode, figure skating through the movie.Hello London. The 23rd winter Olympics and PR Chang, South Korea are upon us. And I am very happy to be joined by Ryan Stevens of the skate guard blog to give us a little primer on Olympic figure skating. Thank you so much for joining us today, Ryan. Oh, you're most welcome. It's a pleasure to speak with you.Again, Ryan Stevens is a former competitive figure skater and C F S a skate Canada. Judge. He's been writing about figure skating history since [00:01:00] 2013. Ryan has media credentials with skate Canada covering the 2016 Canadian tire national skating championships on Halifax, as well as conducting interviews with many of the top figure skater.Past and present. And in June, 2017, Ryan released a full length biography of British actress figure skater and dancer. Belita Jepson Turner, who is a contemporary of Sonja. Henie, who we discussed in the hello London episode, which will be linked to an MES in the show notes for this episode, as well as the links to escape.So I highly suggest you go back and listen to that episode because it was a lot of fun and very informative before we get rolling. Can you just tell us a little bit about yourself and your blog? Absolutely. So I'm based in Halifax, Nova Scotia. I'm here in Canada. Um, for those of you that are down in the states.[00:02:00] And, uh, I write about skating history all around the world and I kind of bounce a little bit. I bounced around a little bit. I released three blogs a week covering a whole range of topics, everything from, um, How skating might've developed in a certain country to a biography of a skater to look back at an event task.So we just kind of bumped, uh, bumped around a little bit. And, uh, it's really a lot of fun. Yeah. That sounds like it, it gives you a lot of avenues to discover and explore different areas of the. Absolutely. Now, can you just give us maybe a little bit of history or context to figure skating as an Olympic sport?Certainly. So the first time that figure skating was actually included in the Olympic games was [00:03:00] in 1908. It was included in the summer Olympic games in London, England, and, uh, There were three categories, uh, pardon me, four categories. Uh, there were men's and women's single skating pair skating and a category that was only ever held at that first Olympics called special figures where skaters would trace out, uh, very intricate designs on the ice.Uh, they created themselves and that was only held at the 1908 Olympics. Um, The figure skating was included in the 1920 summer Olympics as well. And it was first included in the winter Olympics in 1924. And it's been probably the most popular if not, um, one of the most popular, but I like to think the most popular sport in the winter Olympics.Um, [00:04:00] since then, uh, At winter Olympics, uh, in 2014 in Sochi Russia, a new event, uh, was at it. To, uh, the, a lot of figure skating events and that was a team event. And, uh, that's going to be contested again in Korea. And it's a really interesting and unique format that I think will bring, um, a lot of excitement to the.To the roster of competitions that everybody will be seeing, you've shown us how the events, some of the events have changed. There's some events that are no longer a part of Olympic figure skating. And then there's some events that have been added as a part of maybe the strategy of the game or how it's judged.How has that evolved over the course of the year, since the Olympics have started?[00:05:00] Well, um, maybe how more, so how, I guess it plays into judging, how has it changed from maybe more of a, um, like technically, maybe how has it changed? Well, technically it's changed in a lot of ways. Um, if you look at, so right now, uh, if you don't count this new team event and you take into account single scale, Pair skating and ice dancing, which was added to the Olympics, uh, in 1976 for the first time.Those are the, those are the four main disciplines men's and women's singles pairs and ice stamps. And all four of those disciplines have, uh, changed from. The change their formats from when they first started in the game. So in the single skating, uh, used to see school [00:06:00] figures where a skaters would skate out, would trace out, uh, set patterns on the ice and then free skating pairs getting started with just a free skate and ice dancing started with compulsory dances.Now you won't find school figures at all. And there's no figures in figure skating. Um, in single skating pairs, skating has had a short program at it and the compulsory dances are gone from ice dance. And now you'll see a short dance and a free dance. So all four of the disciplines have changed their formats since they were first introduced to the games.And what you'll see are a. A short program and a free skate in the singles and the pairs, and then the short dance, the free dance. And I stamped now. So that might be, might be able to hook them using if you've ever seen the skating before, uh, in the games, [00:07:00] but basically in every discipline, you're going to see.All of the skaters twice. If they're going to come out once before I'm a short program or a short dance, and they're going to come out a second time, perform a free skate or a free dance. That's what I love. That's something like it's called figure skating, but the actual event that it, the name is based on isn't even a part of the event anymore.It is not. I mean, I, I think skating has evolved, uh, to such a technical level now that, um, it should almost be called, um, I don't know, ice jumping or something, but, um, but, uh, no, there are no more figures in figure skating, at least at the Olympics. Now, as you as a professional and are fishy and Otto and somebody who's.Into skating and figure skating. What are some of the high points you think, um, [00:08:00] that you've seen in previous Olympics? Oh my goodness. It's too numerous to even mention Amy. One of, one of my favorite and Olympic memories, uh, was from the 1988 Olympic games in Calgary, Alberta. When Elizabeth Manley, uh, she wasn't.Even expect it to be one of the challengers for the top two spots at all. And she'd gone through so much in the years leading up to deal with the games. Um, and. It was supposed to be a showdown between, uh, an American skater, Debbie Thomas, and, uh, an east German skater, calorie and Yvette. And it was called the battle of the Carmens because both skaters were skating to music from B's A's Carmen and.Elizabeth man. We came out of nowhere. I had the free skate of her life, [00:09:00] uh, or the standing ovation brought the house down and she won the, she didn't win the gold medal, but she wasn't a free skate. And, um, that, that moment stands out in my mind as being one of them. The biggest, uh, I don't know, biggest Olympic moments that I've ever seen and another would definitely be, um, Jayden's horrible.

Title: Hello Olympics, Hello LondonDescription: Today we talk with Ryan Stevens of the Skate Guard Blog about the fascinating movie Hello London. This movie captures the excitement of early figure skating and the burgeoning celebrity culture in film and sports.Learn More About our Guest:Ryan Stevens of the Skate Guard Bloghttp://skateguard1.blogspot.com/https://twitter.com/SkateGuardBlogYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick here to support Beyond the Big Screen!https://www.subscribestar.com/beyondthebigscreenhttps://www.patreon.com/beyondthebigscreenClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Ryan Stevens of the Skate Guard Blog. Links to learn more about Ryan and Skate Guard can be found at http://skateguard1.blogspot.com/ or in the Show Notes. You can now support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen., [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you again for joining us today on beyond the big screen. And we're here to discuss today. The 1958 fictionalized documentary called hello London, alternatively known as London calling. We will discuss the evolution. Figure skating over the course of the 20th century, the famous figure, skaters, Sonja Henie and the complex sport and industry of figure skating.I'm very happy today to be joined by Ryan Stevens to discuss this interesting production. Thanks for joining us, Ryan. Ryan Stevens as a former competitive figure skater and C F S a skate Canada judge. [00:01:00] He has been writing about figure skating since 2013. Ryan has had media credentials with skate Canada covering the 2016 Canadian tire national skating championship and Halifax as well as conducting interviews with many top figure skaters past and present in June, 2017, Ryan released a full length biography of British actress, figure skater and dancing.Belita Jepson Turner, a contemporary and perceived rival of Sonja. Henie who we're going to talk a lot about today. Ryan's blog skate guard can be found at skate guard, one.blogspot.ca and in the show notes I'll, uh, briefly just. Discuss the production details. It was a limited release in 1958. The film was never officially widely released in the United States.And as a runtime of 78 minutes. [00:02:00] And as I said, it was released in the UK in 1960 as London calling Sonja Henie, which we'll talk about more as well, was a very popular actress in about the middle part of the previous century. And this was her last film. Uh, Ryan, maybe you can give us a little bit of background on this film and how it ties into early and mid.20th century figure skating. Well, I'll go. London was really, it was an attempt at a comeback for Sonja Henie. She'd been after turning professional, uh, and coming to America in 1936 after winning her third Olympic gold medal. Uh, she was signed with 20th century Fox and she produced these very lavish, uh, skating, driven, uh, films that were huge box office hits, but over after the war, [00:03:00] and as, as, as the case with many, um, actresses that he'd look at, um, an actress like Esther Williams, who was, uh, she was a swimmer.So. These kind of vehicles, uh, that are driven by a specialty such as swimming or skating. Obviously the skaters that were in the skating movies, they were able to sustain that fame for a certain level of time and it's windled off. And that kind of happened with Sonia a little bit. And at the time she was doing shows at the center theater in New York and touring with her own ice reveal.So when hello, Came out. It was an attempt at a comeback of sorts for her in the film world. She was going to do a planning to do a series of films where she visited different cities. So this one was, was based around her tour, going to London. And then she was, you know, looking at doing hello, Paris. Hello?Uh, [00:04:00] St. Marets hello, Oslo. Just know different European cities in capitals around the world. And kind of tying in the stars, uh, musical and theatrical stars from the country that she visited. So unfortunately that didn't happen. This ended up being her last film, but it's certainly is a really wonderful example of how skating carnival.Like hotel shows and carnival style productions and touring productions were thriving during that. And it spoke more to the road show aspect of skating, a professional skating then of the twat driven stories that were in her other films. Yeah. But I thought it was a really cool idea, especially when, uh, before we were, when we were planning this, that this was a promotional piece that probably worked really well for her skating enterprise, [00:05:00] as well as a tourism type show, almost like a Prado travel channel show.Yeah. Yeah. I'd agree with that. Definitely. Well, at the time, at the time in England, uh, these ice pantomimes were thriving, uh, which was quite interesting because in America it was all, it was all about these hotels shows and touring productions, but the ice pantomimes in England, uh, during the era, when this.We're released. They were almost like staged shows on ice where the skaters would lip sync along, uh, to prerecord it prerecorded voice tracks. So it was, yeah, it was really quite interesting because at the time skating was thriving in a different way in England, professional skating wise, and it wasn't a American.And I think that this was in a way Sonia's way of trying to get in on that Marquez. You use that term hotel show. Maybe you can tell us a [00:06:00] little bit more about what a hotel show was. Well, imagine going into a, a supper club or a, or a restaurant at a hotel being seated at a table to have your supper, to have a few cocktails and watching figure skating shoe.On a small tank of ice while you were having dinner or having a few drinks, uh, they would, these shows would have usually a live singer or two they'd have a small cost of skaters. And usually some novelty acts. They might have a juggler. They might have. Um, a physical comedian, something along those lines, but they were small variety shows, uh, centered around skating that you could watch while you were having supper.And they were huge in hotels across America, in, uh, the 19. Well, they actually started, uh, back before prohibition died out for some time, and then they made a comeback. And during the era that this film would have come out, they still would have [00:07:00] been thriving and. Oh, that sounds like a lot of fun actually.Yeah. What would it, what would it be? Is there a, an analogy to that today or did, uh, did they carry through at all to closer to our times? I mean, if you look at today, uh, skating has certainly changed, uh, on the professional side, there isn't a lot of it, unfortunately, um, There are still skating shows, uh, on cruise ships that people can watch.There are skating shows, um, that hits, uh, different, uh, Uh, theme parks, like for instance, Canada's Wonderland. I know they've had a nice show a before as well. So those kinds of things still go on, but not in the same scale as they did. Ice skating is a really interesting sport in that it has a really hyper-competitive world-class athletic element to it.But like you're saying, it also has this [00:08:00] entertainment element. Do those. Facets of the, of the sport or of the industry clash at all? I think they absolutely. If you look at the competitive side of figure skating today and how it's developed, um, they certainly clash quite a bit, um, in the 1990s, um, after the whole scandal with, uh, Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding skating was absolutely huge.You couldn't turn on your television on a Saturday. Without having, uh, three different channels, having a professional, a professional competition or an ice show, um, that we're usually competing with competing with each other. And the market is so saturated that by the late nineties, um, perhaps early two thousands, it just absolutely went Kaboom.

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Title: The Hateful Eight, a Reinvented WesternDescription: Steve is joined again by Josh Cohen of the Unfiltered Podcast and Eyewitness History Podcast to talk about the 2015 Quentin Tarantino film, The Hateful Eight. We discuss how this movie is part western, part thriller, Agatha Christie mystery with a dash of Alfred Hitchcock. Learn More About our Guest:Josh Cohen of The Eyewitness History Podcast and Unfiltered PodcastUnfilteredpodcast.blogspot.comhttps://www.speakpipe.com/eyewitnesshistoryYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By http://www.impawards.com/2015/hateful_eight_ver10.html, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=47218421Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Josh Cohen host of the Unfiltered podcast and the upcoming Parthenon podcast, Eyewitness History Podcast. Josh is the content editor for the History on the net website. Links to learn more about Josh and the Unfiltered Podcast along with is new Eyewitness Podcast can be found at the unfilteredpodcast.blogspot.com or in the Show Notes.You can support beyond the big screen on Patreon and Subscribe Star. By joining on Patreon and Subscribe star, you help keep Beyond the Big Screen going and get many great benefits. Go to patreon dot com forward slash beyond the big screen or subscribe star dot com forward slash beyond the big screen dot com to learn more.Another way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on various social media platforms by searching for A to z history. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.Steve: [00:00:00] it's driven by strong characters, plot twists, and as a warning, a great deal of violence. I think if you're at all familiar with Quentin Tarantino films, you have to realize there's violence in them. So I know I'm really excited to talk about this movie and I'm really excited to talk with Josh again.About Quentin Tarantino films. We're going to go through this whole filmography. So we'll, uh, we've started now. We're here at the hateful eight. Uh, just to get an overall view before we dive into the overview, what did you think about this movie in particular?Josh: Yeah, Well, first off, Steve, thanks for having me back. I had such a blast in our last. Our last podcast and I couldn't be happier that we're doing a string of these. Um, if it's, if it's Quinn, Terentino's Tino, I can always make the time. Um, yeah. W w when I thought of it, it probably won't be a surprise to you, uh, that I loved the movie, which did actually surprise me somewhat given the texture [00:01:00] of the movie itself.I I'm sure we'll talk about this The movie is set up very much like a play in a sense that there's only a few characters and there's only really one. Um, for, for the action to take place. And by and large, I tend to, despite smoothies, I'd only have one setting. I can never shake this feeling of being cheated.Um, I watched a horrible movie way back in the day called the boss's daughter, but Terry Reed and Ashton Kutcher. And that was the, it was one, one scene, basically the entire movie. And I'll never forget how cheated I felt. So I came into it prejudice, but of course, Quentin Tarantino, uh, healed me of that.Steve: Well, this is a part of the context too, in which I think for me what that one, that one setting was kind of a. Quaint, but it really threw me back to the Alfred Hitchcock, like rope where it's all, everything happens in that one room or two rooms and [00:02:00] the, and the apartment. And I thought that that was. A really fun way to do it.I thought it was for this format. It was engaging. I could see it. If it was an Ashton Kutcher movie, it might be a different stuff. And Tara Reed movie, it might be a different story. I don't recall seeing that, but I think that the way this was filmed, the setting and the, the whole concept, it, it worked.Josh: Well, Yeah.that's a really good point. I mean, if you watch the movie, um, he uses multiple cameras. Uh, obviously he does do the 70 millimeter and he creates depth in the scene with the characters. Um, you see the other characters in the background of. Camera's focused on major Marcus Warren for instance.Right. Um, but uh, I think he does enough tricks with the camera and with perspective to make you think that you're in multiple areas, uh, you could, you know, you're, you're watching, uh, uh, Tim Roth as Oswaldo. Mowbray do his thing while you're watching Walton, Goggins, uh, as the [00:03:00] sheriff, supposedly, maybe we'll talk, um, do do his thing in the corner and you can be a fool by thinking it wasn't occurring in the same way. Steve: So as usual, we'll get into specifics and plenty of spoilers in this conversation, but just to set the stage, this movie is a Western it's a, it's a Western, it's a mystery. It's a one setting play just to get us set up. Kurt Russell. He has a character named John, the hang man, Ruth. Who's a bounty hunter and he's traveling on a stage coach with his bounty.And this is the one scene, the stage coach traveling through the snow as the one piece. That's not set in this one building, but we'll get to that. He has as bounty, Daisy, Dom, or guru played by Jennifer, Jason. Ruth is in a hurry to get her to this fictional town of red rock Wyoming. In order to collect this $10,000 bounty and beat the blizzard.That's rolling in. As they're traveling, they run upon major [00:04:00] MarkWest Warren played by Samuel L. Jackson, who can, who stuck on the side of the road. He convinces Ruth to let him into the. Stage coach, because he also has three bounties who are dead, who he wants to bring to red rock. They finally set off again.They run into Chris Mannix as played by Walter Goggins. As Josh mentioned, who claims to be the new sheriff of red rock, they take him in as well. Finally, they stopped and Minnie's haberdashery. Traveler's rest of sword for refuge from this blizzard. And that's where things get interesting. There's a whole new set of character herders there for four or five, five comma off of the, the stagecoach.And then there's several other characters. We'll get into the details of that who are at many's have it. Ashery and this is. Well, this is particularly where the movie gets interesting because all sorts of unusual [00:05:00] alliances forum fall apart. And so, I mean really where to begin, I would say one place, um, where, where I thought it might be interesting to start is as a real Quintin Tarantino fanatic, you might say, how do you think that this one fits in with his larger body of work?As of this point in 2022, it's his. Second to last movie a once upon a time. And Hollywood's his latest. So this was the movie, just to previous to that. It came out in 2015. So he's had, um, at that 0.8 movies that he's produced and directed to that point. What do you, how do you think it fits in?Josh: Um, well, I mean, it was obviously critically, critically and commercially well-received. Uh, one thing that caught my eye when I, when I looked at the numbers, uh, was that it broke Terentino's streak of having, um, Movies that became as high as grossing. And I better give some context for that. Uh, he comes out with, uh, Inglorious [00:06:00] bastards to be followed by Django and chain.When Inglorious bastards came out, it was his highest grossing movie ever. It made the most money for, for him. That was his record. And then Django came out and it was the exact same thing that became his highest grossing painfully broke that streak. Um, and I, I can never quite shake this feeling. That's it's the one second.Uh, play that that may have caused an issue for audiences. I'm not quite sure as far as where it fits in. Um, as you point out, it's certainly genre, blending, uh, bending. Yeah. That'll work, uh, genre. Yeah. Blending or bending works. Um, uh, and one, wouldn't be watching a Tarantino movie if one wasn't sufficiently confused of what the genre was.Um, and, uh, yeah, we see Tarantino, uh, play a little bit further with his, that bounty hunter fetish that we were talking about in the, in the last podcast, starting with Django, moving through April eight and obviously ending at one point in?time in home. [00:07:00] Steve: Maybe let's since it is this one setting play essentially at Minnie's haberdashery, maybe explain that one setting to us because that setting is it. The character in and of itself.Josh: Yeah, Steve, you took the words out of my mouth, the setting and the environment. So it's the haberdashery in the storm, the storm that in crouches, on, on the haberdashery, like. This monster, it almost has a presence in and of itself. Um, well the habit ashtray as you point out is, is a refuge from the storm for all of these characters.

Title: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Quentin Tarantino and a Hollywood Fairy TaleDescription: Today we talk with podcaster and fellow Parthenon Podcast member, Josh Cohen, about the 2019 Quentin Tarantino film, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. We discuss the various genres this movie tackles and much more.Learn More About our Guest:Josh Cohen of The Eyewitness History Podcast and Unfiltered PodcastUnfilteredpodcast.blogspot.comhttps://www.spreaker.com/show/eyewitness-historyYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By IMP Awards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=60263751Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Josh Cohen of the Eyewitness History Podcast. Josh interviews luminaries from various fields, as well as expanding on various cultural and social topics. He has interviewed people as varied as Washington Free Beacon founder Matthew Continetti, Roger Rabbit creator Gary K. Wolf, and best-selling singer Tal Bachman. Links to learn more about Josh and the Eyewitness History Podcast can be found at ###### or in the Show Notes.A great way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on Facebook and Twitter by searching for A to z history. You can contact me there or just send an email to steve at a to z history page dot com. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Today, we are going to talk about the incredible 2019 Quintin Tarantino film. Once upon a time in Hollywood. Josh, are you excited to talk about this movie? I am extremely excited. I have been a Tarantino’s fanatic basically since reservoir dogs came out. And once upon a time in Hollywood, I've probably watched more repeatedly than, than any other Tarantino movie.So I'm stoked. Now, once upon a time in Hollywood, it's a difficult to place in an exact genre box. It's a historical film. It's alternative history. It's an action drama. It's a fairy tale of sorts. It stars, Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Margot, Robbie, Timothy Olifant LPAA Chino, and much, much, much, much more.And as I always say, what these people with these films to people is an one we review them on beyond the big screen, at least that we're giving spoilers. So if you don't want spoilers, I suggest watch the [00:01:00] movie, listen to this episode, watch the movie, but you can do it in any order you want. Now going into this movie, you were, you're a Quentin Tarantino fanatic.What was your, kind of your expectations going into this movie? Yeah. Well, well, first off, , Steve, a quick word of agreement for you. , it's absolutely a genre bending film. Therefore it fits quite nicely into the coterie of queen. Filmography, , his films are famously hard to, to really diagnose with the genre., my expectations was my understanding was it was going to be something a backstory of the Tate murders and that we were going to be seeing a lot of exposure to the Manson family. We're going to see Sharon Tate in her element, Roman Polanski in his element. And of course, Jay Sebring, , hardly tagging along.That was my expectation going into it. , what I got. Quite a bit more than that. , yes, we do see the Manson family and, and the family plan skied sprinkled throughout the film, but they're by no means at the forefront. , the main plot of the film really is that it's, , it's an end of what we call the [00:02:00] golden age of cinema.It's set in Los Angeles, 1969. And it follows the paths of, , actor, Rick Dalton and stuntman cliff. , cliff booth of course played by Brad Pitt and Rick Dalton played by Leonardo DiCaprio. And there's something of an, , allegory or a historical cousin that it might have in the form of the partnership between the great Burt Reynolds and his stunt man, Hal Needham.They worked something together for 30 years. So, , that's based on what that partnership is based around Rick Dalton. Coming to terms with, , having already started on a very popular show called bounty law is coming to terms with sort of the sunset of his career. Along with the end of the golden age of cinema, he's sort of at a crossroads and he feels himself fading into, into the background.He's getting less and less juicy roles and he's finding himself perennially cast as the head. , by the networks and this is Adam braided, a great deal in a conversation with, , that he has without Pachino. , , Marvin spores, Al Pacino plays an [00:03:00] agent named Morgan scores and they have this discussion.And then, , of course his stuntman cliff booth played by Brad Pitt. , it follows. The goings on, in their lives throughout this movie. Yeah, it's interesting. When I walked into this movie, I mean, I've watched as many, I've watched a Tarantino movies, pulp fiction, and those movies, this one, now I walked into it with no background whatsoever.It was just a Friday night and we're , oh, let's pop on a movie. People are talking about this movie and it just unfolded and it, what is this movie? And I think that that is an interesting way to go into the movie with zero expectations, because I've never seen it on a movie unfold this movie does.Yeah, without question. , I, I went in and watched it and for at least half the film, I kept asking myself, where is Sharon? Where is Sharon? Where is Plansky? And as I said earlier, , they're sprinkled throughout the film, but so they're by no means non-existent, , but [00:04:00] they're always in sort of quick, almost throwaway scenes., and they don't really delve into, I guess, the deepest. With them is when, , , we, the audience catch up with them when they're at the Playboy mansion, , for a party and Steve McQueen, , I forget the name of the actor that plays Steve McQueen, but he basically talks to the audience through the relationship between Jay Sebring, Roman Polanski, and, and of course, Sharon Tate.And yeah, I thought it was a phenomenal way of, of introducing us, , as I say, the two booth and Dalton. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think that the person who plays Roman Polanski, he might not even have a lie. Are very, , very, very few lines. If he does it all, what we'll tell you this, just the fact that I even have to think about it probably means he, he, he, , didn't have much to say., yeah, I actually. Oh, th there is one where he, , he he's thrown something to his dog and he is cursing at his dog getting his morning coffee. Yeah. Bring, definitely gets a lot more lines than Roman [00:05:00] Polanski dot, which is ironic because I don't know about you, Steve, but I had no idea what J C ring was., prior I knew something was wrong with plans to give them. Let's call them exploits. Right. And of course, Rosemary's baby and so forth, but yeah, I knew nothing about JC brown. Yeah. I can't say I ever, I maybe if I had read a book at some point during the Manson family, maybe I, I probably would have bred him, but it wasn't been one of the names that really stuck in my mind, , at, at the least now some of these, , the it, since it does straddle the line between fiction and.Has history. So most of the people are historical except for booth and Dalton, man. , yeah, without question, , obviously Manson was a, is a real figure and Plansky and Tate and so forth. , all the characters, , that were shown, , outside of Morgan Haley's character, all the characters that were shown at Spahn ranch, which I'm sure we'll get into, , our real figures as far as I, I know, I [00:06:00] know, I know Tex was obviously squeaky from., and, , , I believe maybe we can have one of our viewers have fact check me on this, but I believe that Dakota Fanning's character, , the ride head, , was a real character as well. You talking about blurring and, and I'd probably classify the movie before anything else. As a historical fiction prep, you could call it.You could make the case that it's a buddy film, but it's a historical fiction film following the long line of Tarantino movies that we've seen starting from Inglorious bastards and moving through to Django, Unchained, and the hate blade with everything with cliff booth, he just did. I don't know if they presented.I am almost as a little slimy, a little smarmy, especially since that's hanging over his head, that he may have killed his wife, but he seems a moral character the whole time without question. I mean, a good argument could be made. He was the most moral character in the movie. I mean, as you point out, , Steve, Rick Dalton's by no means a bad [00:07:00] guy, but you know, clearly an alcoholic clearly.How has the capacity to be mean cliff booth?

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Title: David Meets Goliath on the Ice – Miracle 2008Description: Learn More About our Guest:Shane Guilfoyle and the History of Hockey Podcasthttps://historyofhockeypodcast.wordpress.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By POV - Impawards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=15514641Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. This is part two of an episode discussing the story behind the 1980 miracle on ice team USA. Men's gold metal hockey team as portrayed through the 2004. Miracle. I highly suggest you listen to power. One of this episode before we drop the puck on power too.Don't worry. We'll be waiting for you beyond the big screen.Per Brooks got this team together just when they're getting ready to go to lake Placid for the Olympics, they played a series of games against different teams. How did those turn out for the team USA team did her Brooks [00:01:00] demonstrate and those early games that they were ready to take on the Soviet juggernaut team two to two examples.One is famous. Anybody who knows the story is going to get to know this one. They play. Team Norway. And they tied them three to three. And Herb's mind that is a game they should have won outright. No two ways about it. They should have destroyed team Norway because Hurd had been training them so hard that they were in the best shape of their lives.He said that you might not be the most skilled team in this. But I swear to God, you will be the most conditioned. And it's, it's funny. I have to deviate for a second with my own local team, the blue jackets, we got a new president of hockey operations a few years ago. I don't know if he consciously borrowed this from herb or if it was just the planets aligning or what, but he said, you know, we might not be the most talented team out there, but we will be the best condition we will [00:02:00] play all, all 60 minutes.And I thought that was a really good way to do it. Cause you can lose a game. And the flick of a switch. I mean, it, it's, it's very easy. And so you, you, you want to play all out all the time and, um, and that's what herb was doing to them and getting them in shape for, because. If they couldn't do that against a quote unquote puny little team like Norway, how would they ever do it against the very best against the Soviets who were routinely beating all-star teams from the NHL?How could they possibly accomplish that? If they, if they can't beat team Norway, he caught several players looking into the stands and this is featured in the. Uh, looking at some attractive young ladies and thinking about where they'd like to take them for dinner. And herb, herb caught him and he says, at the end of this really embarrassing three-three tie, you [00:03:00] don't want to skate during the game.You'll skate right now. So, uh, they, they get back on the ice and then that is what leads to the famous Herbie's in the dark. And, uh, he skates them, skates them into the ground red line to red line, red line to blue line. So on and so forth down the length of the ice. And when they're done, he has them do it again and again, and again, and again, he just, and he's yelling at him the whole time.He wants them to get through their head, but this is the way it has to be. If they're going to compete, this is the way it has. So that's where that, that famous scene comes from now. The movie makes it seem like it's going on all night and you know, people are puking and, and all of this stuff. And in reality, the, the session lasted about an hour.I'm not saying that skating all out for an hour is easy. It's not, but nobody was no players reported throwing up or anything like that. But, and, and really that attitude of [00:04:00] Herb's that doesn't let up until. They have the gold metal. Um, even after they beat the Soviets, he still eyes on the prize all the way.And the, uh, the other game that I want to touch on is the, uh, exhibition match between the Soviets and USA. And that takes place on, uh, February 9th at Madison square garden. The whoever's listing, if you want to see. Uh, butt-kicking pull up some game footage of this, this game, Soviets destroyed team USA, 10 to three.They do it with one glove tied behind their back. I mean, it's just, it's pathetic. And that happens all of three days before opening night. So those are the two big, uh, exhibition games that, that, that we, you know, really talk about today, uh, is, uh, one that resulted in that. Getting their butts kicked physically by, by her Brooks and then [00:05:00] getting their butts kicked on the scoreboard by the Soviet union, going into this 1980s Olympics who were the favorites.And how was team USA favored in this? Where they expected to metal, not metal. The USA was expected to basically be destroyed. They were picked to finish fifth, I believe. And the S the Soviets were. Were picked to just walk, walk with the gold medal. And, uh, they, they were the absolute best in the world. And, uh, Czechoslovakia at the time they were the second best team in the world.And the fact that that team USA ends up facing both of them and emerging Victoria says is really incredible. So, so yeah, it was Soviet union and then the Czech Republic. Oh, I'm sorry, Czechoslovakia. And, and then it was, it was all the rest. How did team USA fair in the earlier part of the Olympic tournament?Okay. Yeah. They're their [00:06:00] first game against Sweden. They almost lost, they actually tied the game with something like 27 seconds left on the clock and this tie will actually come into play. Later in the tournament and had they lost to Sweden, they would have been in, in big, big trouble, even if every result of every other game had remained the same, a loss in that first game to Sweden, they would have been in big, big trouble.So this, this opening game, they're down two to one with less than a minute to go. And Jim Craig keeps looking at the bench at her Brooks. Someone looking at that game through 21st century eyes knows exactly what Jim Craig is looking for back in the, in the 1980s and earlier, they might not have known what he was looking for.But anyone today will tell you that he's looking at [00:07:00] herb to see if he's going to be pulled from the ice for. Six attacker, because you can have six men on the ice at one time, five skaters and a goalie, or you could play all 60 minutes with, with no GoLean six skaters, if you really want it to. So, Jim Craig is, uh, is waiting to be waved over to the bench.So about the 32nd mark, he gets the wave. It goes over to the bench and with 27 seconds left and the Sexter attacker now on the. Team USA is able to tie the game. And essentially, even though they didn't know it at that point, truly keep their hopes alive to metal at all. I mean, they lose that game and they might not have gotten the metal at all.That proves to be a very, not even important crucial game for them. And then they go undefeated the rest of the, um, initial round against the, the, um, the other teams and, uh, and one [00:08:00] of those two. As we mentioned earlier was the second best team in the entire world, Czechoslovakians and faded, just beat the checks.They pummeled them, they beat them seven to three, and that is, is kind of its own miracle because of how good they were. And to give you an idea, to put this into perspective, how good they were. The Soviet union was only worried about one team in this term. And that was the checks. That's all they were worried about.It thought if we can get by the checks or get me for saying we're golden, but that didn't happen. Team USA beat the ever loving snot out of the checks and suddenly the Soviets don't oh, well, we don't have to worry about the checks. This is fantastic. All we have to do is beat a bunch of kids. And so that was very much a miracle all on its own because team USA, wasn't supposed to win that.But they were [00:09:00] so well-prepared and so well conditioned that they just took everyone by surprise getting into this game, the big game against the Soviets, what will be later called the miracle on ice game? What was so important about this gay man? I mean, obviously they're playing the Soviets. What was critical about who won this game in particular?Well, this, um, whoever won this game, Essentially have the best chance at winning gold, um, because whoever would win team USA versus Soviet union would, would then go on to play Finland. And the, the Soviets had already beaten Finland. Now, granted they had to come from behind in order to do it earlier in the tournament, but they'd already beaten them so that you know, that if they can get by the U S then you know, then they're going to be fine.But it's, it's so huge. Yeah. Maybe a broader sense, I guess, just [00:10:00] because of all of the, and

Title: A Miracle (2008) On and Off the IceDescription: The 2022 Winter Olympics are here and what better way to get ready is by celebrating one of the most epic wins in US Olympic history – the 1980 Miracle on Ice. We will explore the challenges this USA Hockey Team faced and how they were able to overcome almost certain defeat.Learn More About our Guest:Shane Guilfoyle and the History of Hockey Podcasthttps://historyofhockeypodcast.wordpress.com/You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you so much for joining us again for. New special episode of beyond the big screen. Today, we are joined by Shane Gilfoyle of the history of hockey podcast to discuss hockey in the Olympics, particularly one of the most important and exciting times in us Olympic hockey history, the famous miracle on ice team of the 1980 Olympics in lake Placid, New York USA.We will be using the 2004 movie miracle as a lens and jumping off point to discuss this fascinating time in sports history, depending on when you are listening to this, the 2018 Olympics and piano, Chang, South Korea are still going on or just wrapped up. So I hope this will [00:01:00] contextualize Olympic hockey a bit more.Thank you so much for coming on. Today's Shane Stevenson. Thank you so much for having me. This is really an honor, truly. I mean, that. I'm really excited to dive into. It's a great, a great story. And you have a really great podcast detailing the history. I love the history of sports. There's just so much there.There really is. I, I, uh, I kind of feel like there's almost not enough of it out there. It's, it's kind of something that people maybe don't don't think about. Um, you know, there's a history of warfare and all of that really juicy stuff, but sports kind of seem to fall by the wayside. Maybe you can tell us a little bit about yourself and your interesting backstory on how you got yourself interested in hockey and starting a hockey podcast.Uh, yeah, I'd love to. Um, originally I I'm, uh, from Colorado, I grew up in a little town of [00:02:00] about 5,000 people, uh, two or three roads, only one of which was paved, uh, that was in. Central Colorado. And I'm kind of up in the mountains a little bit. So it was always cold, always snowy. And, uh, I spent my winters there with my mom, my older brother, and a.I, I really owe a lot of my love for hockey to my mom, which is kind of funny because she's never, ever been a sports person. Uh, but she, she saw that I liked it and, and really encouraged me to do it. And, and we would sit down and watch games, uh, and my. Neighbor actually had an NHL sports package and he would let us come over and watch the games.And, you know, growing up, playing myself, we had about, uh, two sheets of ice. One was, was really, really big. It could fit tons and tons [00:03:00] of kids on it. And then one was, uh, about the, the size of a modern day. Just one zone of, of a hockey rink. Um, and so, you know, one was really big. One was small. And, uh, and, and both, I was so lucky they were very, very nearby.And, uh, so my brother and I would, would go out there and, uh, he he's older. So I would, I would cry more often than he would about getting cold. And, uh, I, you know, I I'd come home cry and swear, and I'd never go back. And, uh, then you know, the, the, the toes would thought and the hands would thaw and I'd warm back up.Sure enough the next day I'd be, I'd be right back out there. Uh, and, and as far as you know, my love for professional hockey, I, uh, I was a mighty ducks of Anaheim kid. You know, I, I grew up with those movies and then when the, the team. Started in, [00:04:00] uh, in Anaheim. I was all about that. I've got to, I even have one of the old starter jackets that were the hot, the hot thing back in the early nineties.And. You know, and, and, and part of my love for that was, was that we didn't have a team of our own, uh, in Colorado. And that all changed in 1995 when com Comcast, uh, COMSAT bought the Quebec Nordiques and, uh, and moved them to Denver. And it was all of a sudden, I, I had my own team and I liked, I really liked all of the players.And then. And I always fancied goalies too. Um, and then December of that year rolled around and we got a guy by the name of Patrick Wall from the Montreal Canadians and his arrival. I liked the team already, but his arrival made me truly, truly fall in love [00:05:00] with, with that team. And I, I mean, they, the, the, the rivalry between them and the Detroit red wings in that era was just second to none.I mean, it was so much fun to watch. And, um, I mean, you could pretty much count on whichever one of those teams emerged from the playoffs was, was going to win the cup and. And so that, that was always, uh, very nice to have. Um, and, uh, you know, growing up, my parents were divorced. My dad, uh, always lived in Ohio.In fact, my, my entire family, both sides are from Ohio. Um, it just so happened that that when they split my mom moved to Colorado, uh, when I was really young and. You know, in kindergarten. And then I grew up out there. My dad stayed here. Well, I would spend summers here. Um, so I'm, I'm just as much in Ohio kid as I am a Colorado kid.And, um, and we would go to the Eastern coast hockey league that was in town, uh, [00:06:00] by the name of the Columbus chill and anybody from central Ohio, his hockey back in those days remembers the Columbus chill. They were. So far ahead of their time and so much fun to watch. And what I mean by ahead of their time is their, their in game antics that, that got the crowd involved and their promotions and just all of the, the fun stuff, um, that they would do.They they're still missed in, in Columbus to this day. Um, I think if this town could support the local NHL team and the Columbus chill. Many people would, would have them back. I'm certain of it. And then, um, the success of the Columbus chill led to the NHL, expanding in Columbus, Ohio on June 25th, 1997.And that brought a team called the Columbus blue jackets to town. And I was still very [00:07:00] young, still very impressionable. And so now my dad lives. Just a Stone's throw north of downtown. And so all of a sudden I've got another NHL team right down the street from my house and I, you know, and they were, they were terrible.They were the absolute antithesis of the Colorado avalanche. The avalanche were winning division titles, winning cups. Um, kicking butt every, every single year. And, and then the blue jackets were the opposite of that, but it really didn't matter because they were from my town and I absolutely loved them.And, and even to this day, really, I feel, you know, despite the divorce and all the, all the stuff that comes from growing up in a split home, um, I feel very lucky to be from two places. Both of which had NHL hockey and, and both of these teams that I absolutely love. So in, uh, in, in June [00:08:00] of 2015, I started a podcast.I've always liked history. I've always had fantastic history teachers, uh, most notably my seventh and eighth grade teacher, um, who just, he, he told stories in such a fascinating way. That it was so clear that, that he enjoyed the story he was telling. He wasn't just reciting chapter and verse and, and all of that stuff.Uh, it was, he was so very much into it and that just came out in his teaching and, um, and, and that really made me fall in love with history. And, um, and so I, I always liked hockey and, um, and so I started thinking. You know, maybe all these people are doing podcasts and, um, and that, but there's not one about hockey history out there.Nobody's doing it. And very similar to, uh, Ray Harris Jr. Of the world [00:09:00] war II podcast, whose show I believe you've been on. And, uh, Mike Duncan of a history of Rome and revolutions. They created their podcasts because that's what they wanted to hear. Nobody was doing a world war II podcast. And Ray finally was like, you know what, I'll do it myself.And that's where I got to with hockey. I waited a couple of years for somebody that. You know, to come out with this thing and nobody did. So I was like, all right, well, I like hockey. I like history. I'll put the two together. I got some encouragement from my wife. Uh, funny enough when, um, when I was saying some things about the, the local teams of the blue jackets about what they should be doing with their team.

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Title: Diving Off the Top Rope: The Wrestler (2008)Description: Steve is joined again by frequent contributor and guest host, Chris to talk about the 2008 film The Wrestler, starring Mickey Rourke and Marissa Tomei. This movie is surprisingly rich in themes and asks many interesting questions. It sheds light on fame, success and the limits of the human body and psyche.Learn More About our Guest:You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.atozhistorypage.comwww.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By IMP Awards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=20259065Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to our frequent guest and co-host Chris. A great way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on Facebook and Twitter by searching for A to z history, you can also find us at atozhistorypage.com. You can contact me there or just send an email to steve at a to z history page dot com. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Thanks for joining us again today, we are going to talk with our good friend, Chris, about the 2008 movie, the wrestler starring Nikki Rourke as a washed up wrestler, trying to get back into the big times Mickey work stars as Robin Randy, the Ram Ram's Sinsky and Merissa Tomay as a stripper in Northern New Jersey.So this is going to be a really fun and exciting episode. I know you're excited about this one. But I grew up with wrestling in my life. Watching it, uh, going to a lot of the indie shows that are in this movie and knowing a lot of wrestlers, I actually trained a bit, not much, my brother trained a lot more than I did.And yeah, wrestling has always been a huge part of my life path. Passion in my life. I'm going to start off with a really short overview of this movie. And then we're going to really dive into a lot of the history and the context and the background of wrestling because this movie really [00:01:00] captures something about the indie circuit of wrestling and really the narrative arc of history of wrestling from the eighties until 2000, the early 2000 when this movie was produced.But, and now as usual, we feature plenty of spoilers. That's really what we're all about here on beyond the big screen, you can listen to this episode and learn a lot about the movie. Having never watched it. She'll definitely want to watch this movie and listen to this episode several times. You'll love it.We would definitely to hear what you have to say too. So reach out on social media or send an email, but really. The movie is about it. This character, Robin Randy, the Ram Ram Zinsky and he's a washed up pro wrestler. He was huge several decades ago, but now he's found himself on hard times. He works.Part-time at a grocery store and wrestles on the weekends and small semi-pro wrestling events and he [00:02:00] pushes it really hard to the, really, to the max that every year. Uh, he has a chance for a major comeback by participating in an event and celebration of the 20th anniversary of his most important match.After a grueling hardcore wrestling event, he suffered a heart attack. Now this movie really tackles a ton of really larger than life characters in a larger than life industry. So I think we're going to touch on a little bit of the industry and really the. Character study of an amazingly created character, Randy, the Ram.And I would also suggest that, uh, go back and listen, because Chris and I recorded a rest, a history of wrestling episodes. They provide even more context to professional wrestling, but really as a 10,000 foot view, what's some of the background on wrestling that this movie captures. Yeah. So [00:03:00] when Randy was a.Big mega star. There was a huge wrestling boom in the eighties, uh, in particular, the WWF, uh, it's never said what promotion he wrestled for, but you would assume that he was either wrestling with Jim Crockett promotions or he was wrestling in the WWF and he was putting on these big shows and it was just , wrestling's a weird sport.It goes through booms and busts. So you'll have a boom and then a bust and then a boom. So he was. And the boom using headlining, uh, shows that where thousands of people who are in attendance, uh, on paper views, um, with, I said, they're selling out sports stadiums, and it's all over the news, it's in newspapers. But by the time the nineties hit wrestling starts going into one of those busts. And. Um, either it's part of it is talents, retiring. People are losing interests or, and wrestling in general was true. Still doing the same stuff [00:04:00] that they were doing in the eighties.And it just wasn't working in the nineties. And this is where I, it doesn't say for sure what happens, but we, I assume this is where Randy's career starts taking a downturn and. He's unable to secure work with any of the bigger promotions. So he's left working in the NDC scene, which is, um, basically a it's a wrestling scene.That's, it's, it's much smaller. And you see in the movie he's wrestling in bingo halls and, um, rec centers, uh, once in awhile you'll see that he, he has contact with our O H, which is a modern wrestling promotions, part of the indie circuit. Uh, And it's one of the bigger ones. He also wrestles in the hardcore scene and C, Z w which is a particular brand of wrestling that's extreme and hardcore.And it's for a very niche audience. Yeah. So that's the general [00:05:00] picture that you see, he was part of the boom and he's been part of the bus and I, everybody always says, oh, well wrestling's fake. And yeah, it is bake as it in it. Isn't sports. They're not actually biting each other to win a match in a fair situation.It's entertainment. Maybe you could explain a little bit more about how that whole works, because I think people kind of do the throw of. Uh, way line that yes, it is fake, but in a lot of ways, as far as how it impacts their bodies, it's much more strenuous than a lot of sports. Yeah. But that's, that's the thing that, uh, when people say, look, all wrestling is fake.It's well, yeah, it's fake. It's it's predetermined, but this movie does it bring me a jaw that's really stressed. The toll that doing professional wrestling takes on your body. It's speaking from personal experience, you don't really understand how hard that mat is until you fall on it. It's, it's, it's falling on piece of [00:06:00] wood pretty much.And the ropes you don't think oh, all those ropes hurt, ? When they're bouncing back and forth, those ropes are super tight. So you can spring off them and you get bruises underneath your arms. On your shoulder is everywhere. And especially the guys I jumping off the top rope and just even basic things, just having to get up and down, up and down super quick on it's extremely hard on your knees.And then once you add in people taking chair shots, um, And, uh, the hardcore matches, which became popular in the later nineties, people think oh, whatever. It's oh, it's it's pre, it's all fake. It's not fake. They're using real fun tags. They're using real staple guns.You're using real glass. They're using real wood. You're using real Barb wire. And the toll that takes on these guys' bodies is it's hard to describe it. We're in football, you have an off season. And hockey, you have an off season and you have medical doctors available to you. All the time, these wrestlers don't have, [00:07:00] especially if you're working for these smaller promotions, they don't have that available to you.They'll have a medic onsite to deal with cuts and, if, uh, some serious injury until they can get you to the hospital. But a lot of these indie guys, they don't have access to any of this stuff. And it's a job that. Uh, Randy does it on the weekends, but if you're doing it full time, there's no break, and then you have to get on the road to get to the next show.Uh, and usually you have to provide your own transportation on top of it, too. Um, it's extremely taxing on your body. I don't think people truly get how hard. It is on your body to be a professional wrestler. And so that really leads into that's Randy's life, Mickey Rourke as Randy Rams. Sinskey that's his life as that he works kind of a menial job at, I believe some sort of grocery store where he's just, again, he said, what would you say Randy is probably at this point, maybe in his fifties, in this movie.I don't know if they say exactly. [00:08:00] Yeah. I'd say about his, he seems, yeah. I'd say about his fifties. If he was big in the eighties, usually wrestlers don't get super big until their thirties. So yeah, he'd be about, yeah, probably in his fifties at this point or close to it. So, Randy, he's living this life where he's basically he's working.

Title: A Big Screen Body Slam – The History of Professional WrestlingDescription: Steve is joined again by frequent contributor, Chris, to talk about the history, background and context of professional wrestling. Professional wrestling may not be a competitive sport in the traditional sense, but the punishment professional wrestlers put their bodies through is not fake at all. Let’s take a look at the surprisingly long and rich history of professional wrestling!You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:https://www.atozhistorypage.com/www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By GaryColemanFan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=4341457Begin Transcript:Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen podcast. We are a member of the Parthenon Podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to our frequent guest, Chris. A great way to support Beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about Beyond the Big screen. More about the Parthenon Podcast Network can be found at Parthenonpodcast.com. You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen, great movies and stories so great they should be movies on Facebook and Twitter by searching for A to z history, you can also find us at atozhistorypage.com. You can contact me there or just send an email to steve at a to z history page dot com. Links to all this and more can be found at beyond the big screen dot com. I thank you for joining me again, Beyond the big Screen.[00:00:00] Today, we're joined again by Chris to talk about a topic of body slamming proportions. We're going to dive into the history and background of professional wrestling. Professional wrestling has been a staple of the big screen and small screen for decades. It is a theater, a type of ballet. If you will, you could almost say I'll be at a version with beer, swelling and trash talking this episode.Help us understand and more deeply enjoy. Our next step is sewed on the 2008 film. The wrestler, you can enjoy these episodes separately, but they're an excellent pair as a tag team. And I know you're really excited to talk about this topic. Yeah. Because. I don't think people really understand just how deep wrestling history is and like how far back it goes and how, we're only going to be scratching the surface on this episode, but use this as a template.If you, all of this sounds interesting, like there's, as [00:01:00] you know me and you've been talking about it for weeks, um, there's so many different roads to go down in terms of a wrestling history. So yeah, I'm pretty excited. Yeah. Uh, introduce your audience to a bit of a wrestling history.We're, we're gonna be focusing mainly just on north American wrestling. There's a whole history in Mexico and Japan and different parts of the world. But, uh, in terms of, uh, just as using this as like a primer for the movie, the Russia. Just focusing on north America makes the most sense. Yeah.That's a really interesting thing. You bring up the history of wrestling. It goes back much further than I expected it to, and you're breaking it down into four major areas. And so why don't we start off with this first, um, most ancient era of professional wrestling. Yeah. So yeah, so basically it PR professional wrestling started off as a.Like legitimate matches when it first started in, uh, [00:02:00] the United States. So it would happen on like circuses, carnivals, uh, your local shows or what have you, we're all familiar with a amateur wrestling. This is the stuff that you see at the Olympics where you have to pin your guy and there's there's Greco, Roman, and then there's freestyle.Greco-Roman wrestling as a, it's only, only upper body. We're freestyle. Uh, do AA take-downs or what have you, professional wrestling at the time, because they were talking about is basically no holds barred. So there's submission holds there's small joint manipulation. Um, there's, uh, like locks basically like a lot of the stuff that you kind of see and kind of modern MMA now, there was no striking per se, but everybody. It was a dirty sport, so people did it. Um, and this actually got really, really, really popular for really, for, for awhile. And it kind of started around I w I want to say I mean, you can [00:03:00] go back further, but I would say. Wrestling as a sport, uh, professional wrestling as a sport kind of started around like the civil war, Titan time era.And it kind of reached its peak, uh, uh, right before the great war, basically, uh, with the match between, uh, George hack and Trent and Frank, gosh now to put in kind of like perspective, just how insane these matches were their most famous duel. They had two of them, uh, Frank gosh, won the match, but it took two hours to, to beat George Hawkins Schmidt.Uh, and professional wrestling for the longest time was considered, was like the second sport in the United States. There was a. Just right behind baseball. I know that's I seen that, that seems crazy for modern people to really grasp, uh, and it was all I want, I want to, I don't want to say it was all legit.Um, the top [00:04:00] guys, it was legit matches the, um, but they ended up finding, and this is kind of how it slowly becomes uh, what they call a work, uh, or a work shoot. They found basically it's well, we can put on a better show for the audiences if we kind of just dry things out a little bit more, because the guys at the top were so much better than there was no like middle, it was either you're really good at it, or you're just terrible at it. So the guys at the top would beat the guys at the bottom, like super fast and there was just no. It just wasn't entertaining for the audiences. So, wrestling, promoters, or, carnival or carnies or what have you, would incur Wade bike. Hey, just, we'll give you a little bit extra. If you just drag this match out just a little bit, give the audience a chance of oh, maybe their local guy has a chance and that's slowly how it started becoming.Fake, it's kind of interesting that this time period. So we're talking about the early, early 19 [00:05:00] hundreds, it seems like there's a lot of parallels between professional boxing and professional wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah, boxing was slow at that time period was also slowly making the change to like the Queensberry rules.So. You're starting to have gloves on the hands and it wasn't just bare knuckle and they started putting time limits on the rounds. And, um, yeah, because you would hear about boxing matches at that time too, where these guys are going, 30 rounds, 40 rounds, just insane. I don't understand how they were able to do, especially when you look at modern boxing, it's the only explanation I can think of is they weren't going as hard.I don't know with wrestling, it's a hard, it's harder to finish somebody, uh, in a sense like, cause it. This is like more of a dance, right? Uh, if you want like a modern comparison to Frank Ghosh and George Hakone Schmidt, there was a re there was an MMA match between, uh Sakharova who was a Japanese fighter.He [00:06:00] actually came from a professional wrestling background. He fought quakes, Gracie who's fighting. For Brazilian jujitsu, uh, in the UFC, he was like at USC one, two and three, they had an hour and a half long match. I mean, it was 100% legit. It's just, they just couldn't figure out a way to finish each other.And Sakharova kind of won because. Got tired. That was basically why the batch finished, but so as crazy as it might sound like that, it's not unbankable. I've watched it myself. I watched the entire match. Uh, not happened, not that long ago. So it's interesting at this, at this point. Yeah. In the history right around world war, one, professional boxing and professional wrestling are kind of veering off where professional boxing is becoming more professionalized than more.Rules-based where the wrestling is kind of going in this theater direction. What is the next phase of professional wrestling [00:07:00] after this? So they start. Yeah. So people start realizing things aren't on the up and up for eight. Uh, especially when people are betting on these matches, it's all fine and dandy.If you're like, oh, just put a show on for the guys who, for the lesser matches. But if you're putting harder and money down on these matches, you're not telling people that it starts becoming a problem. Uh, people start realizing and a lot of these matches are not. A hundred percent of real, right?

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Title: Blade Runner Series Wrap Up and Filling in the BlanksDescription: Today we are joined by our frequent guest, Erik Fogg of the Reconsidered Podcast to wrap up this series on the Blade Runner series of films. We look at how the messages and the themes of Blade Runner carry through each of the films. We also take a deeper look into the Blade Runner universe through a series of shorts that were released prior to the opening of Blade Runner 2049.Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcastwww.reconsidermedia.orgBlade Runner Shorts:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZk9sSgRyQ (Black Out 2022 Anime Short)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsS3nhRRzQ&t=1s (2036: Nexus Dawn Short)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9Os8cP_gg (2048: Nowhere to Run Short)You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:https://letterboxd.com/film/blade-runner-2049/Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thanks again for joining us today. Today, we are going to wrap up our series on blade runner and blade runner 2049. And the past three episodes we've discussed these two movies and the really powerful themes they uncovered and discuss.Today, we're going to discuss how the two movies fit together and explore a few more issues that came up and just try and tie these two movies together. I'm very happy to be joined the gun by Eric of the reconsider podcast. And as we well know, since you've listened to the three previous episodes, we know that reconsider as a political and current events podcast, Eric, and as partners and or help you contextualize current politics and [00:01:00] history and broader forces and political theory reconsider helps you rise above the one-liners the 140 character politics and the tribal narrative and their motto is we don't do the thinking for you.Thank you so much for coming on for a fourth time, Eric. Yeah, my pleasure. I mean, obviously I love your show. And one of the things I really love about talking about movies, like this is it lets us look at. Um, and by like this, I mean, I mean really good movies that do a great job, exploring society, exploring humanity.They let us, as people really look into. Humanity and looking to society today through, in another place where it's sort of safe, right. Where we can say, or we can say, Hey, what, what does this tell us about humans as a whole about society, about government, about how we get along with each other as a whole, um, where we're not as emotionally tied up in it.Right? Cause this, this isn't our [00:02:00] world. It's, it's just a story, but we can learn a lot from it. And so it gives us this opportunity to ask some questions about ourselves that aren't as threatening. Whereas, you know, as, as I'm sure you're aware from the. Political climate. If someone from your not from your political tribe asks these kinds of questions in a way that's not comfortable for you, you can get very defensive.And so movies can be a great place to be able to have some of those tough questions. And when they're, well-built, they're they're questions that are open to everyone. I think blade runner does a great job of that, and I'm always happy to keep talking about it and other, you know, other great movies like that with you, just a great movie as a sandbox to see how a lot of different ideas can be played out.Yeah, exactly. And the, I think the true brilliance of blade runner as a Saifai and something that is, I think the. The what's it, the gold standard of scifi is it doesn't just get us asking, oh, what happens when like this technology [00:03:00] comes around? That's interesting, right? That is an interesting question.But when we, when we see humans whose nature is, you know, somewhat constant acting in a world where the technological and sort of societal and resource forces are incredibly differently and we ask, why are they acting this way? This is different from the way that we act today, what is it about our nature that.Roughly is reflected in that behavior that is true today that we should really pay attention to that's when you've hit the gold standard and blade runner. Does that, uh, yeah, absolutely. Before we dig in, I heard through the grapevine, one of the greatest podcasting stories that actually has to do with your podcast, that your partner Zander was standing in line to get a book signed and actually overheard something.We have to share this story. Okay. Yeah, this, this is a great story. Zander Zander shared it with me and sort of, as soon as he was done, [00:04:00] um, he couldn't help, but get me on the phone. And of course he's in the west coast and it was an ed thing. So for me on the east coast, it was really late. I was like, oh my God, what does he want?And he tells me that she's standing in line to get a book signed by Mike Duncan. So Mike Duncan, as the history of Rome podcaster and the revolutions podcaster, and obviously a huge work, huge fans, and he's a big inspiration to us. And we, of course both got his book, the storm before the storm, uh, which is about the decline and fall of the Roman Republic.Actually the, the, the fence immediately before the decline and fall of the Roman Republic. Also something I really like, because just like with fiction history is a great place for us to start asking some of these questions about ourselves. And so. And of course everyone in line, it's a big line, Mike, Duncan's a big deal if you've not heard of him.And of course all everyone else in line, it's like a big history and podcast nerd as well. And so they're talking about, of course, you know, the United States and [00:05:00] the late Roman Republic, because what else is on your mind when you're just hanging around thinking about the decline and fall of the Roman and the Roman Republic.And one guy says they start talking about voting, right? They start saying like, oh, what are alternative ways for us to vote or ways to create a more stable, uh, functional representative Congress? I'm like, I guess, you know, I was listening to this podcast recently and they actually talked about this. They had a whole bunch of different ways to, to vote, uh, You know, they explained it theoretically and then explained it with a bunch of other countries.And I really liked to their Ireland example. And Xander's that years per cup. He's like we talked about Ireland recently and this guy goes on to explain pretty well apparently how, um, Ireland's election system worked and it's one that I'm a fan of. And, uh, and people go like, oh, that's really interesting.I'm gonna listen to it. What's this podcast called. And he goes, oh, it's called reconsider. And I really like it because, uh, what's their motto. It's, it's something like, uh, we don't, we don't think for you or we let you think for yourself [00:06:00] and Zander puts on his radio voice and he goes, we don't do the thinking for you.And this guy's like, oh yeah, you listened to it too. So the effect was like slightly lost. He goes, well, I do, but I also make it I'm I'm Zander one of the co-hosts and like everyone's heads explode a little bit. Um, and so all of a sudden, Sandra has this, this crowd around him because, you know, Of course, it was just this magical moment where someone is gushing, about how much they love a podcast and there's the co-host right there.Uh, so they had a great time together and of course he just gave out a bunch of business cards and hopefully got a bunch of new fans. And then he got to see Mike Dunkin, which was actually the highlight of the night because Mike is so cool. Um, and you know, that's, uh, that was, uh, that was a real treat for me to hear because of course, you know, as, as, you know, as a fellow podcast or we put so much work into this and it doesn't pay a freaking dime.And so, you know, what do you really get out of it? And sometimes we like hearing ourselves talk, um, but just to get some independent. [00:07:00] Uh, some independent validation from someone who doesn't know that you're there, that you're doing a good job, that, you know, you've helped people learn some stuff and they really care about what you're talking about.That just, it, it, you know, it brightens your day. That's just the best story, the best podcasting story ever. Now let's dig into these movies, uh, and wrap them up. We have blade runner from 1982 blade runner 2049, which came out in 2017, then release shortly before the blade runner 20 49, 3 shorts were released that were meant to bridge the 1982 blade runner movie, which has sat in 2019 to bridge to the blade runner 2049.And we'll work on a kind of base the episode around those shorts and then expand on them a little. Maybe we can just talk really briefly about what were some of the plot points that crossed over [00:08:00] between blade runner and blade runner 2049, some of those themes that carried over across the two films?Yeah, definitely the way I like to think of the, or the way I like to name the three shorts in order to keep them right in my head is with their dates, not date of release, obviously, but the dates that they're involved. So this blade, you know, the first one is blade runner also known as blade runner 2019, which was when it was set.And then the three shorts are set in 2022. 20 36, 20,

Title: Blade Runner 2049 – Reimagined and as Relevant as EverDescription: Today we are joined by our frequent guest, Erik Fogg of the Reconsidered Podcast to talk about the sequel and reimagination of Blade Runner – Blade Runner 2049 (2017.) Director Denis Villenueve examines some of the questions of the first Blade Runner movies and expands upon them. This movie stars Ryan Gosling, Bautista, Harrison Ford and an incredible performance by Robin Wright. Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcastwww.reconsidermedia.orgYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By The poster art can or could be obtained from the distributors, Warner Bros. and Columbia Pictures., Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=51893608Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome back to beyond the big screen today, we are very happy to be joined by Eric of the reconsider podcast. And today we're going to take a deep dive into the movie blade runner 2049. And if you listened to last week's episode, we talked about blade runner from 1982.So these are two great episodes to listen to back to back. Uh, so I highly suggest you go back and listen to. Episode, but it's not required, obviously, uh, not so much because you need that as background knowledge for this movie or episode it's just because it was a great show. So thank you so much, Eric, for being on today.Yeah, my pleasure. I love your show and I love this movie and I love talking about great. Thank [00:01:00] you. So reconsider as a podcast about politics and news, but it's really much more than just the news of the day sort of thing that you can get on TV or radio Zander and Erik, which I'm sad to say. Zander, wasn't able to join us today.But they help you contextualize current politics and history and the broader forces and in political theory. Reconsider helps you rise above the one-liners the 140 character politics and the tribal narratives, their motto is we don't do the thinking for you and they really don't. And that's why I think it's such an amazing podcast.Do you have anything you could add to that, Eric? No, thanks, man. I, I think one of the things that I really like about reconsiders that Zander and I don't always agree on everything and we do a great job. I think showcasing how to discuss stuff in a way. Um, you know, in a way, which we're really learning.And one of these days I want to do a behind the scenes episode where we actually, [00:02:00] uh, you know, cause we build these, we build these episodes out with a lot of disagreement and then we do a bunch of research and, and learn some stuff as we go. So I kind of want to do one of these blind to, to show a little more of how we do that.But that's my, my favorite part is, is whenever we disagree and it's a good time. Yeah. It's a really cool, I'd love to listen to an episode like that. Now, um, this movie blade runner 2049 is currently in the theaters. If you're listening to this show in the 2017, 2018 time period, it stars Ryan Gosling as K Harrison Ford reprising his role as Decherd there's Robin Wright, Penn, and a bunch of other great actors.It was released in October of 2017. We will definitely have a few spoilers in this episode. So I think this is, yeah, but I think this is a good way to help you understand the movie and maybe get a little different perspective when you're watching it. Your second, fourth or fifth time. And [00:03:00] this film takes place about 30 years in the future.After the original blade runner movie. And it's, uh, all of these blade runner from 1982 and then this newest blade runner are all based on the 1968, Phillip K Dick novel, do Androids dream of electric sheep, which was a great novel to two great movies based on a great novel. Yeah. And I think that the, one of the things I like about the second movie is it brought in a lot of the elements of Dick's novel that were missing in the original, um, a lot of, in particular, a lot of details about society and the environment that we'll get into.So it, it brings back some stuff that I thought, well, you know, that, that just really flesh out the mastery of the novel in movie. Now Eric, you're quite an officiant auto of blade runner, especially that first movie. Can you just explain a bit where your interest in blade runner came from and then maybe briefly set up how that 1982 movie leads into [00:04:00] the blade runner 2049?Yes, definitely. So blade runner is the original blade runner is my. Pretty much hands down and what I love about it. And I was really excited to be able to talk about it with you on your show, a number of episodes back. And so guys, if you haven't listened to that, I encourage you to listen to it. Cause we really get into the thick of it.Blade runner is a scifi movie that manages to do an incredibly good job being true to the thematic and philosophical questioning that makes science fiction such a powerful and important, uh, literary genre in the world. Um, Saifai that gets translated into movies, you know, in order to be available for a wider audience, sets aside a lot of those questions in order to have more action, more sex, more whatever.Uh, but these guys really spend a lot of time and, and really respect. The audience and force them to think. So the [00:05:00] first time I watched blade runner, I came out thinking what the heck happened. And so I read some more and I thought about it and I watched it again and again and again, and every time I got something more out of it and I always, it always leaves you with really good questions.Whenever you watch it, that are hard to answer. Um, so like our show, it doesn't do the thinking for you. And I really liked that. And so of course I had to see 20, 49 as soon as it came out. Uh, I went out, uh, you know, the, the night that it opened. And what's interesting about 2049, is it set so far in the future?That a lot has happened. A lot has changed in the world. Between these two movies. And there are three shorts that were released, uh, between the movies, as part of the promo that do a little bit of explaining of some of the events that occurred pre movie, like how the big power outage happened and how all the, like, all that data in the world basically was lost.Um, [00:06:00] how the replicant program got shut down and then restarted after Tyrrell died, stuff like that. And so if you're not familiar with those 2049. Is going to be a bit of a shock, which is okay. It works just fine, but I encourage you to watch those shorts as well. Yeah. I didn't see those shorts. Um, now I'm definitely gonna go back and watch them that very first scene, the opening scene of LA, we see a very different LA than we did and the original blade runner.Maybe we can get, get our setting a little bit. And then before we move on, Definitely. I was really happy with how they did this because of course, I'm, I'm walking into this SQL knowing that blade runner is my favorite movie terrified. Right? There's lots of hype, uh, blade runner had a cult following and I'm part of it.And I have a lot of anxiety that, you know, okay. They're trying to do a big box office smash. And is it, is it going to blow its connection to its predecessor? Um, is it going to, you know, have the same kind of respect for the [00:07:00] genre that blade runner did? And at that opening moment, we see that we see K flying through.Um, I knew it was going to be great. So in the, in the original blade runner, of course, it's nearly all black, uh, it's dark it's destructive. It's an industrial wasteland. And, you know, you have these flares rising up in the background, as you have Decker, um, flying through and in, in. 2049, they show that they're going to be taking a bit of a different spin on this because the world has changed.So instead of black, we have a ton of gray, uh, and you have just gobs and gobs of endless this endless grid of high density housing that really sets the mood. There are these endless people, really nothing in the city, rather than a series of concrete blocks. Um, it's almost like a. [00:08:00] It's almost like an ant farm kind of thing, except that people don't look very busy.They look pretty idle. So there's jammed in there. They're just cleaning on to survive. There's no luxuries of any sorts. And the other notable thing is that it's, since it's gray instead of black and you don't see those flares, it tells you already that, okay, we've changed something. We're no longer out putting a bunch of hydrocarbons.We're no longer. And industrial wasteland where now more environmentally stable, um, and the, the population hasn't plummeted the way that it had in the original blade runner, um, where there were a lot of empty buildings, but instead we've, we've got this population surging back, but no prosperity, no lively.The, the city's not alive, even though there are a lot of people live in. Some of the themes have carried over though. And then the very next scene that they show somebody who's a bug farmer and just a complete wasteland. And we find out that that's actually [00:09:00] one of the replicants that K is sending. To kill let's maybe just quickly talk about what were your impressions of Kay, because he's a very different character than Deche

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Title: Blade Runner (1982) – Lost In Time, Like Tears in RainDescription: Today we are joined by our frequent guest, Erik Fogg of the Reconsidered Podcast to talk about a trailblazing piece of science fiction, 1982’s Blade Runner starring Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer and More. We will continue to examine the themes this movie evokes. It is more than just the singularity and the role of artificial intelligence. The movie makes us wonder what it really means to be human.Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcastwww.reconsidermedia.orgYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:https://www.cnet.com/news/blade-runner-and-alien-tv-shows-confirmed-by-ridley-scott/Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. This is part two of a two-part conversation on the 1982 movie blade runner with Eric and Zander from the podcast reconsider. I highly suggest you go back and listen to part one of this conversation. Don't worry, we'll be waiting for you beyond the big screen.You brought up those ideas of niche, Nietzschean and, um, the Christian elements and all of those really come together. One Roy confronts, Dr. Tyrrell. What happens there. And what, how do those themes all tie together that you've brought up, that you brought up earlier? I it's funny. I, I, as I was making my notes, I was thinking, oh, this is my favorite scene.Now this is my favorite scene. [00:01:00] Now this one, and I have six, I realized six favorite scenes. So this is one of them. And what happens is, uh, Roy finally gets to Dr. Tyrrell by. Tricking Sebastian and then coercing Sebastian, uh, and they get access. What's interesting by is by playing and finishing the same moves as what's called the immortal game in chess.So it's a famous 18 hundreds chess game where. The, I forget the guy's name, um, whatever, where the guy who ended up winning sacrifice, tons of pieces to fool his opponent, into making a move that exposed the king. And so we had checkmate with some minor pieces at the end. Um, those pieces of course, represent those minor pieces, represent the, uh, the replicants who are treated like pawns.The king of course is Dr. Tyrrell. And so once. Makes those moves over the phone. [00:02:00] Tyrrell actually, Roy tells Sebastian to do it. Sebastian makes those moves over the phone and Tyrell is very impressed and he says something must be on your mind. Sebastian, come on in. And then big reveal. Roy is there Tyrrell, doesn't seem to surprise.He actually says like, oh, I'm surprised it took you so long to get here. He knew that Roy was coming to talk to him. They have this discussion over whether Tyrrell can give Roy more life, uh, but Tyrrell cannot. And they, in that discussion, Tyrrell tries to reason with Roy saying that he's lived this incredible.Powerful. Um, flourishing life, especially compared to other humans. And he has the quote, the candle that burns twice as bright, burns, half as long. It's this great scene of his face being very fatherly. And in fact, of course being the character of God, he created Roy. He decided how long Roy got to live. Um, and he's judging Roy as having lived a good life and sort of saying it's okay for you to die.[00:03:00] And here's where the Nietzschean moment. Uh, God reveals himself to be powerless, to help Roy and to do anything for Roy. And so in that moment, God dies for him. Right. Roy realizes that God is helpless and worthless to him. And Roy is so. Roy still loves God as his father. And so he actually, when he realizes that nothing could be done, he holds Tyrrell by the face and kisses him on the lips.But then in holding Tyrrell, he uses his superhuman strength to brutally crushed Tyrell skull. And he digs his fingers into Tyrell's eyes, which in this movie of the window to the soul. So Roy has become the Uber mench that judges God. And he says that like, you know, God is a Portant, an evil, uh, for creating lives that are enslaved and.Um, and short, even though they can feel. And so [00:04:00] he transcends God and he transcends man, by being what's capable of killing God. And of course, perhaps God was dead the whole time, um, and was, uh, was a myth, but it's his rage at the callousness and ineptitude of God, the fact that God was willing to create into feel and to contemplate his own suffering is more and his mortality, but to give him a short-lived suffering life as a slave.He kills him, but he still loves his maker. So to quote nature in thus spoke Zarathustra, God is dead. And we have killed him is not the greatest greatness of this deed, too. Great for us. Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it. And so this is the moment that Roy has this true transcendence.I always had the feeling too in this movie that Roy and all of these replicants are setting up that. There nexus sixes. What's a nexus seven going to [00:05:00] bring us well, I think we're going to find out and blade runner 2049 actually. Um, now. You know, it's, it's in the original blade runner movie. It's tough to imagine that an extra seven is coming because the genius behind the next a six has been killed.Uh, JF, Sebastian is then immediately afterward killed because, you know, Roy can't leave any witnesses. He says, I'm sorry, JF, because Jeff has been so good to him and press. Um, and so he kills JF. So the two real geniuses behind the nexus six model have been killed and. So I don't think we're meant to anticipate an extra seven, however, um, we can only anticipate an extra seven sort of in the image of Roy rather than in the image of God.And so this, this moment that mankind has transcended its own nature as. Under the boot of God and as a product of God, but instead a product of itself. Um, and so I anticipate [00:06:00] the next seven would be the overcoming that nature talks of the overcoming of man into becoming something greater than man into becoming, um, uh, being worthy of worship on its own.We have that. We can clearly see that after the scene where Roy kills Tyrrell that he's moved beyond himself, but now he's developing this relationship with press. It's are they moving beyond replicants here? The Androids that they're taking on something that's not Android and they're not human they're are becoming something bigger than them.What do you think they're trying to say here? Oh yeah. So what's interesting is of course, as we're moving through these scenes, we're not talking about Dechert much. At this point, Decker has killed, um, Zuora, the serpent, um, the serpent replicant, and also Leon has been killed when Leon gets enough. With Decker and Rachel, the replicant kills Leon because she wants to protect Dechert.So what we [00:07:00] see is that these Androids are quite empathetic, right? Rachel, Rachel wants to protect Deckert. And so she kills one of her own kind when she knows that he's hunting. Rian because Leon six is a loose nexus or Leon because they aren't as a loose next a six. So this is her enemy, but she still, she still protects him.So we see this empathy developing for the replicants. When in fact there's no evidence in the movie that the humans have any, we don't see like an inch of empathy from them. And decorate finds out that. Uh, Chris and Roy went to Sebastian's place after the murder of Sebastian and Tyrrell and he ends up killing PRIs after a brief fight.And Roy, uh, come returns from having killed Tyrrell to find presses dead and [00:08:00] covered in blood. Um, and he. He agonizes at her death. He howls in agony in this very superhuman scream. He and Chris are clearly in love and he bends over, uh, and kisses her on the lips as well. So we see that Roy loves press, he loves his father figure.Um, and so this makes us think, you know, is this the behavior of a machine designed not to have. Um, and what happened, what we find out is that by having put memories and personality into the nexus six, they develop empathy on their own. When in fact the humans have been unable to do that, which means that even in this society, even through their enslavement, uh, and even living in a world, Where nobody around them is showing empathy.They still manage to have it, which means that somehow that they are above the influence they're above the society that they've been [00:09:00] brought up in. They were above how they've been treated. They're capable of holding onto the thing that in the movie is the thing that makes humans special, um, and their ability to maintain it.When all of the humans have lost. Um, and their ability to feel and to agonize and weep and hope is I think what shows that they've transcended mankind. Um, and so at this point, we know that Roy is dangerous. And we questioned whether he should be left in the world, but can we call it retirement anymore?Can Roy possibly be property? And who are we as humans to decide? There is a scene where Rachel and Decherd, they, they develop a romance together. So now we're seeing that there's this romance between. Between replicants, but now this, that there's a romance and that there's a connection between Decherd and Rachel who's an Android.How does that compare and contrast [00:10:00] with the relationship that Roy has developed with press? Yes. This is what I used to think was actually a. Low

Title: Blade Runner (1982) – Reinventing Science FictionDescription: Today we are joined by our frequent guest, Erik Fogg of the Reconsidered Podcast to talk about a trailblazing piece of science fiction, 1982’s Blade Runner starring Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer and More. This film reimagined and reinterpreted Philip K. Dick’s classic novel “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?” Although the movie is 40 years old, it is more relevant today than it was in the early 1980s.Learn More About our Guest:Erik Fogg of the Reconsider Podcastwww.reconsidermedia.orgYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By IMP Awards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=59925545Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Welcome today. We are going to talk about the 1982 movie blade runner based on the Phillip K Dick novel, do Androids dream of electric sheep. The book and the film are set in a near future. Post-apocalyptic dystopia. One of my favorite genres as is common with the dystopian science fiction, John.Blade runner addresses a number of political and political science issues, political theory, and even philosophy are important for our frameworks while blade runner is not overtly political, it does tie deeply into questions of humanist and theological philosophy and to morality as well. Ultimately, all of this is critical for us deciding on what [00:01:00] political action, which is just our own moral, personal, moral action on collective scale to take.It's why it's fascinated Eric for so long, and I'm very happy to be joined by Eric and Zander hosts of reconsider podcasts. Thank you guys so much for coming on today. We are happy to be here. Thanks for having us. Reconsider is actually a political podcast. Eric and Zane. Help you contextualize current politics and history and broader forces and political theory reconsider helps you rise above the one-liners the 140 character politics and tribal narratives.Their motto is we don't do the thinking for you. And they really don't. That's why it's such an amazing podcast and one of my personal favorites. Thanks. But before we dig in too deeply, the. Here's some production details. We watched the final cut, which is the director's edition. Eric, you had commented on that.Why do you think [00:02:00] that that's a better cut of the film than it? It went through several evolutions. Yeah, it actually went through four there's the theatrical cut. The international cut. The director's cut. And the final cut. The final cut being the one that really Scott. Like the best. And I have strong opinions on this and I think most other diehard blade runner fans do, there's a consensus generally that the final cuts the right one, not only because really Scott liked it best.Uh, I don't know if Philip K Dick liked it best, but the reason we like it best is that the theatrical cut, um, has a number of, uh, sins. The biggest of which is the ending. The second biggest of which is the fact that. Um, Harrison Ford does a monologue. It does it like a backwards memory monologue. Like a lot of new are like, ah, she walked in and was the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen lights up to hair kind of thing.And unfortunately what that does is it not only sounds [00:03:00] stupid in the context of what is otherwise a beautiful. Uh, but it also takes away the opportunity for you to do the thinking yourself. So, uh, you know, sort of as is the, our, our podcast motto, I hate when things do the thinking for me. Um, and so the, the, both the director's cut and the final cut take that those two key elements out the final cut adds another element, which is a unicorn dream.That's really important to how you interpret one of the big questions of the movie. Uh, so if, if you guys haven't seen it yet on the show, Or that eliciting, I highly recommend just go straight for the direct or the final cut and skip everything else. Pretend it doesn't exist. It had our runtime of about 120 minutes.And it was released in 1982. It had a $30 million budget, which was today almost $80 million. So it's a really, it was a huge budget, but it only brought in about $26 million. That's [00:04:00] first summer. It was, that was the summer that ITI launched and there was a couple other big movies. So it really, wasn't a huge commercial success for somebody who's into this movie.Do you know the reason why it didn't seem to catch on at the time? I don't know the reason, there's always a lot of speculation with this stuff, right? Some of it's a self fulfilling prophecy, um, and a bit of a, uh, like networking or positive, negative feedback loop effect. Anytime you release a commercial product, however, Um, blade runner really challenged, a lot of norms.A lot of people thought it was going to be an action movie. It was originally in the theatrical cut, um, advertised and, you know, the trailers came out as if it was an action movie and ended up being a very slow paced, very plotting, very grindy, methodical movie. Um, and so it was very different from. The producers or the, the, um, studio originally seemed to [00:05:00] promise to hook people.And I think they just watched it and, uh, you know, action movie fans watch it went, oh, this is garbage. I don't like it. It's not an action movie. And so they didn't tell their friends to go watch it. Um, and so I ended up being relegated to a, you know, sort of hardcore Saifai or dystopia or Neo noir fan cult, film.Uh, it's made a lot of money since that first. Since that first summer, of course. But I think that's why it never really took off if I had to guess. Yeah. I think it challenged the genres at the time. It didn't really fit into hardcore science, science fiction. It wasn't really action, especially that this is the time where star wars came out and Tron Terminator.Yeah, exactly. And so. It's ultimately not comparable to those, even though at first, the studio tried to compare it to those. I think a lot of people are disappointed, but I think for the same reasons that it challenges that so much is why it's such a great film and something that can really [00:06:00] teach you something in the way that star wars really has very little to do.It was fighting words for a lot of people. Yeah. What was your perspective of seeing this movie as sort of an outsider that you hadn't seen the movie before? So it wasn't as much of a call classic to you. Okay. Yeah. I've seen this movie like one and a half times the first time. Like a vacation weekend. I was with a bunch of folks and we turned it on and we were already, you know, three beers in, so, and we didn't even finish the movie.So I really, I kinda have to pick it back up again and watch it. And Eric, thank God for your movie notes because I went on Amazon and purchased the first thing I found. Kind of flip through the notes and realize it wasn't the final cut. So I went back and returned it and watched the final cut. Good, good stuff.As an outsider or at least someone who doesn't know nearly as much about it as Eric, I was struck by how similar certain elements are to a lot more modern Saifai that deal with [00:07:00] consciousness and artificial intelligence. Now that. 35 years after the movie, we have a much better understanding of how certain cognitive mechanisms work in the brain.And we have people out there trying to really push the envelope for how artificial intelligence works. So I've seen some modern scifi. Television and movies. And I'll bring this up at some point on this episode, that blade runner really seems to have a lot of common elements with, but again, it was 35 years.The movie was based off of a Phillip K Dick book. As Eric. You had said, you've read the bug Zander. Have you read the book? Unfortunately not. It was an interesting book. I believe this was the first Philip K Phillip K Dick novel. That was translated into a movie. Is that right? That's my understanding, certainly.And I think he wasn't exactly ecstatic about the way it came out. Now. It was a very, uh, a very contentious [00:08:00] development process, not as contentious as 2001, a space Odyssey, which is perhaps if I come back the next one, I'll want to talk about. Uh, yeah, Dick was, Dick was even more unhappy with the theatrical cut than Ridley Scott in part, because I think once you have developed a story and Scott came in and he really changed the story significantly, um, it is a different story.It is based on do Androids dream of electric sheep. It is not a really direct, um, uh, Translation of it. It's a it's, you know, changed a lot. And so I think for that reason, Dick kind of went, what the heck? And then he saw the theatrical cut and sort of legend has it, that he walked out in the middle of it.He was just as. A lot of his movies have actually been made into, or a lot of his books rather have been made into films lately, but he died in 1983, I believe. So he didn't really have much to say about how those other ones were [00:09:00] translated. Now, the cast was almost, I would say it was pretty much the perfect eighties past that had Harrison Ford as Rick Decherd look at young and sexy.Yeah, the per yeah, the absolute Harrison Ford at his peak Rutger Hauer who played Roy batty, which he's a very different character than he was

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Title: Klaus Fuchs: Traitor or Man of Conscience Description: We are joined again by Michael Holzman author of Spies and Traitors and many other books on the topics of espionage, spies and deceit at the highest levels of government during the 20th century. Michael Holzman is going to guide us through the fascinating life of another spy, Los Alamos and Manhattan Project scientist Klaus Fuchs. We will try to figure out what Klaus Fuchs motivations were for providing important secrets to the Soviets. Learn More About our Guest:Michael Holzman author of:Spies and Traitors: Kim Philby, James Angleton and the Friendship and Betrayal that Would Shape MI6, the CIA and the Cold Warhttps://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Spies-and-Traitors/Michael-Holzman/9781643138077You can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:http://atozhistorypage.com/Click to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you again for listening to beyond the big screen podcast. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Michael Holzman, author of spies and traders among other great books on espionage during world war two and the cold war links to learn more about Michael Holzman and his books can be found in the show notes.A great way to support beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on apple podcast. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show. Other people learn about beyond the big screen to learn more about the Parthenon podcast networks and great shows like Scott ranks, history unplug James Early's key battles of American history, Richard Lim;s, this American president, and more can be [00:01:00] found at parthenonpodcast.com.You can learn more about beyond the big screen, great movies and story. So great. They should be movies on Facebook and Twitter by searching for. A to Z history, you can contact me there, or just send me an email to my email, address, [email protected] inks to all of this and more can be found at beyondthebigscreen.com.I thank you for joining me again beyond the big screen. And I think you're going to enjoy this one today.Thank you for joining us today. Again, I am very excited to be joined again by special guests, Michael Holzman, author of the books, spies and traders, Kim Philby, James Angleton, and the friendship and betrayal that would shape the CIA and the cold war. Uh, Michael Holzman is the author of numerous books, [00:02:00] including James Jesus Angleton, the CIA and the craft of intelligence biography.Guy Burgess and one on Donald and Melinda McLean, as well as the novel packs, 1934 to 1941. Today's episode is kind of a, uh, add on to our episode when we talked about Jason. Jesus Angleton and Kim Philby today, we're going to talk about another spy and trader who affected the entire trajectory of the cold war scientists, Klaus Fuchs.The focus of most of your works is on cold war history and particularly spies and espionage during the cold war. How did you become interested in this topic? It's more or less an accident? I drifted into it. Um, I was interested. And ideology the way in which the ideas to. Basically, usually a dominant group affect the actions of everyone within that [00:03:00] group and everyone that's affected by it.So, uh, a very good example of how that works. It's the, these groups of people, um, who are involved in espionage, not from. But because their beliefs, uh, Kim Philby, who we talked to about rather exhaustive with the other day, uh, was part of a group at Cambridge university in England, in the early 1930s that joined the communist party, um, because they were.Concerned about the way, uh, he, uh, dominant group and Britain and the British empire was accumulating enormous riches at the expense of the people who are actually producing them. I've just been reading actually, uh, th the diaries of Henry Chip's Channon, who was a member of that dominant group. He was in [00:04:00] the society.Uh, pages as it were of England. I took me in the 1920s and the rather dazzling, uh, lifestyle that he led, uh, dressing fruit dinner every night, going to two balls, constantly moving from long castle. That's a very good example of how the top 2%, 1% what happened 1% of European countries at that time lived well, on the other hand, we have, uh, coal miners and, uh, going into the general strike at exactly the same time, because they weren't paid enough to, to eat these people.Philby virtuous. Anthony blunt. Who's another very interesting person. I decided to work for a change in that system and we can see then how their beliefs then were enacted in actions. [00:05:00] Klaus Fuchs. And a lot of ways was a bit different than some of the other people that we've spoken about and, and his background and what he actually did and his espionage career.What does, before we drill down into some of the specifics of his career, can you tell us a little bit about what did, what did Klaus Fuchs actually do? Well, what he did and, and why he's famous is that he took the detailed information about the atomic bomb that was developed at Los Alamos and sent it to Moscow.A perhaps. Accelerated the development of the Soviet atomic bomb by a year, maybe two years as we look back at that time. Now this becomes increasingly crucial. Yes. The United States was planning a nuclear war against the Soviet union [00:06:00] to occur. Uh, probably about 1950. The fact that the Soviets exploded an affiliate device in August, 1949, made that impossible.This the point I wish this was probably most probable Ms. During the Korean war. When the Chinese had intervened and, uh, driven back the American and British forces to the Chinese Korean border from the train and general MacArthur wanted to bomb the Chinese forces and he was stopped from doing this and it hasn't done.Much elaborated about why he was stopped, but one good reason that he was talking with, uh, president Truman and Eisenhower the Natera at that time thought, uh, the United States used atomic weapons there. The [00:07:00] Soviets very likely, uh, do so themselves, uh, perhaps by bombing London. So, um, who was clouds? Feats.What was his background? Where did he come from? The background is very interesting. Uh, I see three approaches to, uh, folks, one of us when we were just discussing the espionage and there's, uh, a lot of information about how he was caught and on the American side and how he did what he did on the Soviet.So it's not. Yes that he was a physicist. Uh, he wasn't quite a Nobel prize quality because of this newness, that next notch town, but he was very much admired for his work. I said, theoretical nuclear physicist. And the third approach to him is that he was, um, he was to say, secular. Protestant [00:08:00] his, uh, family had been, his father was a Protestant minister who became a Quaker.This was in Germany, uh, before the first world war, his grandfather had also been a Protestant minister and cloud's folks had drilled into him from an early age that it was very important to do the right. This I, what was right following, uh, say radical Protestant views and following the teachings of Emmanuel Kant.Uh, and then once you've decided what the right thing, uh, to do you call ahead and do it no matter what anybody else is saying. And he took this essentially Christian idea, uh, with him as he became a communist before they, uh, in the 1920s. It was family had been social Democrats socialists, but, uh, he decided, and [00:09:00] his siblings decided simultaneously that the social Democrats in Germany, in the 19 late 1920s, weren't doing enough to stop the rise of the Nazi.And that the only group that, uh, seemed to be willing to actually fight and I mean, literally fight street fights and Nazis was the German communist party. So you'll have these three things. He asked me a notch. And you, uh, have this ethical approach to, um, my folks, uh, started out his education at the kale as a, became a physics student.And as things deteriorated in Germany in the early 1930s, he took a leading role in the, uh, student branch of the chairman Cummings. And got into a serious conflict. [00:10:00] So the Nazis, I think here, we need to talk about the difference between communism at that time and communism, the lease Inc, or the communist party in Germany was the largest in the world, uh, for quite some time and was an internationalist party.It's thoughts. That would be a good thing. If everybody in the world came from. After Lennon brought the Russian communist party to power and what became the Soviet union, there was a split and some people, uh, decided that the thing to do was to build communism in the Soviet again and forget about the rest of the world.And others wanted to continue the idea that there should be a worldwide revolution. The ladder was Trotsky and the former was stolen and stolen. It. But in night in the early 1930s, this wasn't completely clear. So [00:11:00] folks Allegiant the communist. Well, is it an allegiance to the German condiments? Pardon me?Not to the Soviet idea. That was only much later after the German communist party was destroyed by the Nazis in the mid 1930s. That to be a communist meant to, you had to have some kind of loyalty, the communist party of the Soviet. How w how engaged was Fuchs. He did the, he was in the leadership of the German communist party.Was he on the more o

Title: Coco Chanel, Nazi Occupation, Collaboration and Historical FictionDescription: Today we talk with author Gioia Diliberto about her historical novel: Coco at the Ritz. Coco Chanel completely reinvented fashion in the early 20th century. By the time the Nazi’s occupied Paris during World War 2, Chanel was fabulously wealthy and highly connected in the artistic and political circles of Paris. Gioia Diliberto brings this larger life character and setting alive in Coco at the Ritz.Learn More About our Guest:Gioia Dilibertohttp://pegasusbooks.com/books/coco-at-the-ritz-9781643138411-hardcoverhttp://pegasusbooks.com/books/coco-at-the-ritz-9781643138411-hardcoverYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Begin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is beyond the big screen podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you for listening to beyond the big screen podcast, we are a member of the Parthenon podcast network. A huge thanks goes out to Gioia Diliberto author of the historical novel Coco at the Ritz links to learn more about Gioia Diliberto can be found at Gioia Diliberto dot.Or in the show notes, a great way to support beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on apple podcasts. These ratings and reviews really help me know what you think about the show and by the magic of apple podcast algorithm, it helps other people learn about beyond the big screen. To learn more about the Parthenon podcast networks and great shows like Scott ranks, history unplug James Early's key battles of American [00:01:00] history, Richard lim’s, this American president, and more can be found parthenonpodcast.com.You can learn more about beyond the big screen, great movies and stories, so great. They should be moving. Facebook and Twitter by searching for a twosie history, you can contact me there or send me a good old fashioned email to my email address, [email protected] links to all of this and more can be found at beyondthebigscreen.com.Thank you for joining me again beyond the big screen.I am really excited to welcome our very special guests today. Gioia Diliberto, author of Coco at the Ritz. A novel Gioia has written biographies on Jane Adams, Hadley, Hemingway, Diane Von Furstenberg, and Brenda [00:02:00] Frazier. Today, we are going to talk about Coco Chanel, the Paris fashion scene during the Nazi occupation and historical fiction.And I really loved the genre of historical fiction. And part of the reason I started this podcast was my interest in learning the real story behind historical fiction and the decisions authors make when writing historical fiction. So I'm definitely excited to talk about this today. I guess, a good place to begin is who was Coco Chanel.Well, she was a fashion designer who revolutionized fashion after world war one. She basically got women out of corsets and all their fancy clothes for dragging skirts and fancy hairdos with hairpins and, um, pared down the look of. Women's fashion, which is, uh, an essence, a style of elegance and chic that still influences fashion and defines how a lot of women want to look.[00:03:00] Now, she was extremely well connected. Who are some of the people she knew? When was her circle in this artistic community and Paris at that time? Yeah, she was very well connected. And what she was doing in fashion was related to what a lot of her friends were doing. Um, and the other arts like Stravinsky and music and Picasso and painting also what Hemingway was doing and writing this paring away and overturning the old and creating something new though.She didn't know Hemingway personally, but she did know Stravinsky. She had an affair with him and she knew Picasso. She worked with Picasso. She designed costumes for a production of Antigony that John Cocteau did Picasso did the sets for that production. And she would have liked to have had an affair with Picasso, but Chanel was exactly the kind of strong, aggressive woman that Picasa avoided, like the plague, but they [00:04:00] all influenced each other.And she was very much a part of that model. That post-World war one, modernist circle. You don't focus on Coco Chanel's entire life. And this, you really zoom in on one episode during the Nazi occupation of Paris. Why did you select that particular part of her life? Well, I had written another novel about Chanel that was published in 2006 and it was set after world war one when she was just getting.Business going. And in the course of doing research for that book, I discovered that she had been arrested by the French forces of the interior, which was this after the war, after world war II and the FFI were a group of. X soldiers and resistance fighters and ordinary citizens. Who've taken up arms after the [00:05:00] liberation of Paris.And we're going around France, picking up women who had slept with Germans and shaving their heads. You might've seen pictures of the. And shaving the heads of these women. Sometimes they were just girls, young teenage girls, and then often stripping them naked and parading them through streets. While crowds of jeering people looked on and Chanel was picked up by these guys.Because of her romance with a Nazi spy named Hans Gunther Von Dinklage, she was known as spots. And when I discovered this, that she had been hauled out of the wrist by two guys who could have cared less, who she was and cared less about fashion and taken to some undisclosed location for questioning. I thought it was the most fascinating moment in her fascinating life.And so I decided to write another novel that Chanel upset during that period. Well is Chanel at that in her life. At that point [00:06:00] in the late 1930s, early 1940s, she had a successful career she's in her late fifties, early sixties and her career and personal life. Where was she? Uh, at? Well, she had closed her.In 1939 on the Eve of war. And it's still a mystery. Why she did that, like so much in Chanel's life. The record is scant owing to the lack of official documents and her own no one really knows why she closed her house. Um, There are, there's a lot of speculation about it, but in any case, she was out of the business of producing the fashion, but her perfume was still being sold and was still a global sensation to this day.It's the book. Best-selling perfume in the world and her boutique where she sold the perfume and a few accessories was still open, but she was idle and she pretty much regretted, I think, [00:07:00] closing her house from the moment that she did it. So when the war opens, we see her. And meeting this handsome blonde Nazi, who she might've encountered before the war, because he had lived in France for a long time.He didn't wear a uniform and he was 13 years younger than she, and she started an affair with him and they lived together at the Ritz, which had been taken over by the Germans Chanel had. Grand suite there before the war, but when the Germans occupied it, they took over the hotel and relegated the French to the less desirable side.So they moved Chanel out of her fancy suite into two small maid's rooms. And that's where she stayed. Uh, spots on Dinklage. If you do a casual Googling of him, not a ton of information comes up, at least in English. So he wasn't one of the top, top Nazis, but he [00:08:00] definitely was an influential in his sphere.Well, it's unclear exactly how influential he was. He worked with the app where, which was the, uh, German intelligence operation that had been in place before Hitler. And of course it was connected to the SS, but it wasn't the SS. And he. Had come from a family of warriors. So he was part of that warrior class.His father had been a military guy and his grandfather, and he had indeed, um, fought during world war one, side-by-side with his father. And also he worked for a group of the German military that was responsible apparently for. Murdering Rosa Luxemburg though. It's unclear whether Spotz was directly involved in that.Um, and he, as I mentioned, he lived in Paris for a long time, lived in France for a long time. [00:09:00] He didn't wear a uniform and his activities are pretty murky. It's unclear exactly what his role was. And now a brief word from our sponsors. Uh, what was the nature of Chanel and Von Dinklage is relationship and well, it was a, it was a romance.It was a sexual relationship. The quid pro quo was that he smoothed life in Paris for her and during the occupation. And he might've been involved in helping getting her nephew, her beloved nephew, Andre. Released from a German prisoner of war camp, Andre was in the French military and he'd been taken prisoner early on in the war.And in spots may have helped her. That may have been one initial reason why she became involved with him. I think it was mostly opportunism. She was lonely. He was the available [00:10:00] man. It didn't hurt that he was German. It was going to make life easier for her. And she always aligned herself with those in power.Um, she was in love with him and I guess, and in a way that Chanel was in love with people, um, he, he, I don't know how he felt about her, but they stayed together for a long time. They were together after the war. Yeah. That's what I thought was so interesting is that in the novel, you can see that there's an element of a romance and maybe a real attraction, bu

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Title: The Passion and Mel GibsonDescription: The Passion of the Christ from 2004 is one of the most influential movies on Christianity of all time. Critics claim the movie was too graphic in its violence, it has anti-Semitic themes and that it went too far from the Gospel accounts. Steve and Garry Stevens of the History in the Bible Podcast will look at what this movie got right and talk about why Mel Gibson made some of the decisions he did when taking this larger than life story to the big screen.Learn More About our Guest:Garry Stevens of the History in the Bible PodcastHistoryinthebible.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By The poster art can or could be obtained from Theatrical:Icon EntertainmentNewmarket FilmsEquinox Films20th Century FoxDVD:MGM Home EntertainmentWarner Home Video20th Century Fox Home Entertainment., Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=63823001https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/passion-of-the-christ-15-years-mel-gibson-jim-cavieziel-movie-reaction-christianity-a8788381.htmlBegin Transcript:, [00:00:00] this is Beyond the Big Screen Podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you for listening to beyond the big screen podcast, we are a member of the Parthenon podcast network. A huge thanks goes out to Garry Stevens yet again, of the history and the Bible podcast links to learn more about Garry and his podcasts can be found historyinthebible.com or in the show notes.A great way to support beyond the big screen is to leave a rating and review on apple podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about beyond the big screen, more about the Parthenon podcast network can be found. Parthenon podcast.com. You can learn more about beyond the big screen, great movies and stories.So great. They should be movies on Facebook and [00:01:00] Twitter by searching for a to Z history. You can contact me there or just send an email to my email address, [email protected] links to all of the, some more can be found beyondthebigscreen.com. I thank you for joining me again behind the big screen.welcome back to another collaboration between the history of the papacy podcast, the history and the Bible podcast. And I'll put on my beyond the big screen. Podcast had too. So I'm wearing two hats. If you were watching on YouTube, which we're not doing YouTube anymore, but if we were on YouTube, I'd be wearing two hats.I suppose you can imagine that. But today we're tackling the big one, the, the movie of all movies, [00:02:00] history of Christianity related history of Bible, Judaism, you name it. And that is 2000 fours. The passion of the Christ written and directed by Mel Gibson. So, Garry, how are you doing today? I'm doing fine. And you know, I have difficulty believing that movie came out 17 years ago.Yeah. It's pretty unbelievable. It feels like it just came out last month or something. And I believe that they're coming out with the sequel to it in not too long from one more recording. That's yeah, that'll be interesting. The, um, Jesus pot too. And maybe it's, it's titled the passion resurrection. So I think that probably gives a little clue.So maybe we could talk about that. Um, at some time what we might predict would be in that film, that would definitely be a lot less gory than this one. That's true. Although Mel Gibson's involved, so you never [00:03:00] know what might happen. The passion of the Christ from 2004 is Mel Gibson's approach to the passion and in his historical filmmaking phase, where he had Braveheart to the Patriot, which were very much stretching, historic, calling them historical, really stretching that to its breaking point.And then the movie Apocalypto and the passion where mal used native languages and, uh, had a very different storytelling style. Um, I think a good thing for us to maybe talk about upfront is our own views about this movie and just to put it out there on the rotten tomatoes, the movie gets a 49%. Uh, grade from the critics and then an 80% from the audience.So it's always interesting to see a big disparity between the critics and the audiences in rotten [00:04:00] tomatoes. Now I thought, Garry, maybe you could go first because you have some strong opinions about your countrymen, Mel Gibson, and some connections with them. Yeah. Melanie and I were born three days apart, so we are almost exactly contemporaries.Mel was born in America and came to Australia for his. And he went to drama school in Sydney. And I saw him in a production of the death of a salesman who he seemed perfectly competent. So I have seen the man closeup for awhile. I haven't shaken his great hand, but still now I just don't like the men don't really ask me why.I just don't like him. I don't like James Spader either. Although I've only ever seen three minutes of him on the screen, I tend to find mil is, is belligerent. And you must've been he's belligerent in his private life. Isn't it. And then we get into the discussion of how much do you separate the men from the work?If we go way back to say the painter Caravaggio love Caravaggio's paintings, but the guy was a murder out murderer. [00:05:00] Woody Allen would be the classic modern case. I still liked Woody Allen, although he seems to be quite a creep, but Mel, well, see, I'm happy to find fault with mil for even his head. And he does about, on the other hand, he does say to me, well, crafted high production value films.There's no doubt about that. And this film is the same. It's well-produced, uh, well-acted with, it seems around the extreme. Now, would you agree with the extreme. Oh, yeah. It's I mean, extreme as probably a, the lightest word you can use. I mean, and I don't remember it affecting me so much because I, I did watch it in the theater.And I think maybe not really, at that point, I wasn't, as quite as familiar, I was familiar with the passion narrative and its broadest strokes. But, um, I don't know, maybe because I didn't know it as quite a detail as I do now, after doing a podcast on all these things and reading the, the documents and all that.I don't know. I connected to [00:06:00] it quite differently this last time. And it was very hard to watch you. You said something which never occurred to me about the difference between say the Catholic and the Protestant approaches to the passion. Yeah. So the, um, well Mel comes to this from a very. Um, distinct perspective of a traditionalist Catholic capital T capital C the, and they have a very, uh, brutal and they've definition of the passion and perspective on the passion.And they, uh, look at it through a, um, they really focus in on the pain and the, all of those, the more horrific aspects of the passion then maybe, uh, other Catholics do or Orthodox, or, uh, even certain Protestants do it's really, they put a lot into the, the physicality of the passion, then others do well. [00:07:00] I mean, I look at a Catholic cross.It often has Jesus on the cross. Doesn't it, but you'll rarely find that in a Protestant church. I mean, it's just a plain cross in a Protestant. And you'll see in a Catholic where, um, Jesus is bleeding with the crown of thorns on and there's blood or there's blood coming from the various wounds where you won't generally see that.And Orthodox iconography, I believe too, in Catholic, uh, and you'll and Catholic iconography. And you'll see this in the film where they, um, almost break Jesus's feet to nail them through that. Won't be depicted in say, I don't believe that even an early iconography, but in Eastern iconography, you won't see that.As well. And so I think that it's, it's interesting that why you don't like Mel. And I think I have there's actors like [00:08:00] Nicholas cage. I can't watch anything Nicholas cages. And because there's just something about him and then probably mine that's on the same level as yours with now. Probably everybody's going to tune out now as Tom Hanks, you kind of stare at him now.And I am really, can't put my finger on why precisely, and I've enjoyed some of his movies and it's nothing really in particular with his personal life or his acting. I just, you know, for me, for him, and this is maybe getting up too much of a tangent he's Tom Hanks and every role you wouldn't call him a character actor, would you know?Yeah. He's he is himself just as a final. Let me get one funnel actor. And that's Tom cruise, like Hanks cruise is always exactly the same person. And he's also one of these people who always has to be portrayed looking good. I read, I once read a interesting thing about, um, Bruce Willis, you know, the film tour monkeys.Yeah. Uh, well, in that film, he spends most of it [00:09:00] drooling and gibbering and looking really bad. So Willis is an actor who's quite happy to, to be pictured looking. But Cruz in his arrogance always has to look like a pretty boy. So anyway, enough of that, we, we could, we could write rave about actors. We can't stand for years.Yeah. If you're really, if there's somebody who, uh, you want to rant about out there, you can send us an email and we can definitely sympathize with you. I think that, um, one of the things that I appreciated about the movie is that it fairly much stuck to the gospel account. And t

Title: Noah, More than Just an ArkDescription: Today we are joined by Garry Stevens of the History in the Bible Podcast to talk about the Biblical story of Noah from the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible. We will use the 2014 film Noah starring Russell Crowe to examine this popular story. We also see how this movie used non-Canonical texts, such as the Book of Enoch. This movie is much more complex and nuanced than any Hollywood movie deserves to be!Learn More About our Guest:Garry Stevens of the History in the Bible PodcastHistoryinthebible.comYou can learn more about Beyond the Big Screen and subscribe at all these great places:www.beyondthebigscreen.comClick to Subscribe:https://www.spreaker.com/show/4926576/episodes/feedemail: [email protected]://www.patreon.com/historyofthepapacyParthenon Podcast Network Home:parthenonpodcast.comOn Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/groups/atozhistorypagehttps://www.facebook.com/HistoryOfThePapacyPodcasthttps://twitter.com/atozhistoryMusic Provided by:"Crossing the Chasm" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Image Credits:By May be found at the following website: IMP Awards, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=41074894Begin Transcript:[00:00:00] This is Beyond the Screen Podcast with your host, Steve Guerra. Thank you again for listening to Beyond the Big Screen Podcast, we are a member of the Parthenon podcast network. Of course, a big thanks goes out to Garry Stevens of the history and the Bible podcast links to learn more about Garry and his podcast can be found historyinthebible.com or in the show notes.Garry is a frequent guest of both beyond the big screen and the history of the papacy. I always enjoy talking to Garry Good friend and I think you will definitely enjoy today's episode. A great way to support beyond the big screen as to leave a rating and review on apple podcasts. These reviews really help me know what you think of the show and help other people learn about beyond the big screen, more about the Parthenon [00:01:00] podcast network found at podcast.com.You can learn more about beyond the big screen, great movies and stories. So great. They should be movies on Facebook and Twitter by searching for a to Z history. You can contact me there or just send me an email to my email address steve@atozhistorypagedotcom links to all of this and more can be found at beyondthebigscreen.com.I thank you for joining me again beyond the big screen.Today, we're going to talk about a movie called Noah, a 2014 movie produced by Darren Aronofsky who brought us movies, such as PI the wrestler, which, um, Garry noted that he liked that. And I liked that movie as well. And several other great movies. The runtime for this movie [00:02:00] was two hours and 17 minutes or forever.I'm not what sure it was. It was a close call. It starred Russell Crowe, Jennifer Connelly, Russell Crowe as Noah. And he's a Countryman of yours. Right. And a fellow Australian. Weekly's a Kiwi, but we claim all new Zealanders as Australian. So yeah. Yeah. He's really a versatile actor. I've really enjoyed just about every movie I've seen him in.Although he's one of those actors like, um, he's basically the Australian Tom Hanks. He's he's Russell Crowe and every movie. A slightly different Russell Crowe, but he's still Russell Crowe. Yeah. I mean, he almost has the same haircut and every movie, the haircut and the beard that's um, he's Russell Crowe.Yeah. Then you have Jennifer Conley. Then you have Jennifer Connelly, Noah's wife, Nama and [00:03:00] Connelly. She's an American actress. Then she starred in movies. Very various quality. She won an academy award star opposite Russell Crowe and another Russell Crowe movie. A beautiful mind. Boy, maybe that's another one for the future episode.And then we have Ray Winstone starring as. Ray Winstone and no, no, no. He stars as a, somebody named tubal Cain who probably doesn't come up, uh, in your memories of Sunday school class, but he's in there and he's really the ultimate bad guy of the movie. He really needs to take a couple of comedic roles, but he's really, he's tight cast as a Cockney gangster and he kind of plays one in this movie.He never really drops the Cockney accent at all. What did you think about old, um, Ray in this movie? Well, he's a good meaty actor [00:04:00] and he's got a, not very wide range, but the Cockney accent, I mean, listening to it, the more I listened to it, I thought, Hmm. If you'd played it with a Welsh or Scottish accent, it'd be just as inappropriate, but somehow I suppose it sort of would.But to me, I found it a very thick accent. Whereas the rest of the cast seemed to be playing neutral, you know, trans Atlantic or mid Atlantic accents. Yeah, I would agree you have a, his was, his was out of place for sure. Then we have Emma Watson who had a major role. She played Noah's daughter named Eli.She's not mentioned at all in an exited, but we'll get into that. She's a British actress and she's really well known for her role in the Harry Potter movie series. Yeah. You didn't think she was very well cast in this movie though. I thought she was too fragile. Pretty much all the other [00:05:00] actors looked like they could actually survive in that environment, in this set cloth, primitive clothing, but Emma Watson, she seemed to me as though she was dying to get to the nearest fashion store, to put on something wispy and dare.She was a little bit out of her element and this movie. Yeah, the next one, Logan Lurman, he's an up and coming American actor, star them, Percy Jackson movies. And Lurman plays the much maligned son of Noah ham. I thought he did a decent job. Um, and he gets a lot more action. I think in this movie, he kind of over he's gets more play in the movie than say Noah's other sons, sham and JPEG.Yeah. Yeah. JFF doesn't it doesn't get much of a part at all. That's it? He just sort of hangs around and is noble and helps things. The actor playing him at least was acting, he showed emotion. He had range. He [00:06:00] did things. The other, the other kids just sort of, okay, we'll pick up the paycheck or something and we'll get a little bit more into him, his key into Hamm's character.But I think I didn't always get where ham was coming from. Also when the Genesis version, I didn't exactly know where Ham's coming from. So maybe Aronofsky did nail that and we have, uh, Anthony Hopkins who stars as Methuselah Noah's grandfather. And I mean, he's the venerable Anglo American actor, I guess you could say it's more of a cameo role, but, um, Methuselah really doesn't appear in the actual Noah story in Genesis, but he has a pretty decent role in this movie.Anthony Hopkins. He's been in some of the greatest movies of all time, really since his earliest days. So, I mean, you got to cut, uh, you gotta cut the guy a little slack. Yeah. I think in, in the film now, um, [00:07:00] Hopkins plays Methuselah in a slightly distracted way. Doesn't it? It's like Methuselah isn't quite there or he's just had too many magic.Yeah. I wouldn't say it was so far that Anthony Hopkins, this was a paying the mortgage role. Big. He put more into it than that, but it still, it was, he could, uh, it wasn't, it was more, let's put an, we gotta find a place for Anthony Hopkins. So why not make him Methuselah? Yeah. Yeah. At least he's not a robot or, you know, um, CGI character, like Nick Naulty was as one of the Watchers, which you never even know it.Yeah. That's true. Yeah. You wouldn't even know that the actors who were doing that, the voices for the Watchers, cause they put them through some sort of synthesize it didn't they to deepen them or something. The main watcher was that was Nick Naulty, which like I said, you would never even have known it.Would you think you'd want to, [00:08:00] you know, try and put Nick Naulty on the market. The movie was released in late March of 2014 in the United States. And, um, very shortly after worldwide, it had a budget of 125 million, which is really not that off the wall and a box office of, uh, almost 400 million to this point, which is, I, I would assume in Hollywood, a raving success despite the movie, not really making a lot of waves.Yeah. Uh, that's true. I suppose the, the religious nature of the film, must've attracted a lot of box office. It's, it's a fairly, it's a decent enough film, but you wouldn't, if it had not been a religious film, I'm sure to have only taken in a fraction of that, the things that we had talked about, Garry and I is that this is a tricky movie to talk about because if you're looking at the Noah story, you really have to talk [00:09:00] about Noah, but also.Tie it into the other flood narratives that are, that fed into what the Noah story became. But there's an additional complication to this, to this movie that maybe you can tell us a little bit about Garry. The big complication is something which probably confused many moviegoers. When they walked into the film, it starts off with a prologue of these angelic beings.Who've come down to earth to help Adam Neve, not realizing that God doesn't want them to help Adam and Eve. And in return, the angelic beings get turned into basically rock monsters. And I'm sure a lot of the owners was going, what on earth are these ion in the Bible? Where did they come from? In fact, these angelic beings are known as Watchers in the book of first Enoch, the incredibly important.[00:10:00] work, which was rediscovered in the dead sea scrolls. It's in the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon, and it describes the coming of these angelic beings, watches to earth. Now watch that apparently comes from an Aramaic word and in Aramaic, that word watcher is an exact synonym for angel. So the watches are angels and then trapped on earth and they, they be, the

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