Good morning to everyone except the sleazy photographers sliding into women's Instagram DMs! On the agenda today, the 'Big Little Lies' finale, how we both got scammed and a new podcast we think you'll love. PLUS, a model's Diet Prada-backed accusations against a prolific celebrity photographer have rattled Hollywood, leading Kim Kardashian and Ariana Grande to speak out. The case goes to show how powerless young models can be - but why wasn't Kanye put under the same scrutiny as his wife?Read:The Red Parts by Maggie Nelson'Where is Ivanka' by Elaina Plott for The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/ivanka-trumps-silence-border-crisis-racist-tweets/594217/Listen: Who? Weekly podcastHow To Fail with Elizabeth Day: FLEABAG IS BACKPhoebe Waller-Bridge on Fresh AirWatch:Queer EyeThe Bachelorette USABig Little Lies Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You know that recent 'Bachelor' Australia clip that went viral showing Matt the astrophysicist say his profession and the contestant responding with, “I’m a Gemini”? Yep, that’s basically us trying to understand WTF Mercury in retrograde means and how to avoid wrecking everything while the planet does its thing - humour us while we investigate. Plus, How to Survive An Earthquake 101, the popular reality TV show you’ve probably never heard of, proof 1 in 8 men are clinically insane, and Aziz Ansari’s return to comedy.Follow us on Instagram @afterworkdrinkspodcast, join our closed Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast' and please rate, review and subscribe Recommendations Listen: Where Should We Begin? With Esther PerelThe Daily - United States v. Jeffrey Epstein Watch: Stranger Things 3 Below Deck MediterraneanRead: ’The Really Big One’ on the New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We've got lots of interesting topics to tuck into this week. Ivanka's awkward interaction at the G20 (why?) is the gift that just keeps giving; Gwyneth Paltrow staged a GOOP festival with 'Fyre' undertones in London and we psycho-analyse the unexpected presence of a fedora at the christening of Archie Mountbatten-Windsor. Big topic: Booksmart: Olivia Wilde's directorial debut, which comes out TODAY and is, not to exaggerate, potentially the best film since Citizen Kane. Izzy and Grace get deep on the need for movies that showcase nuances female experiences in an actually FUN way. J'adore, Olivia. Recommendations:Sarah Jessica Parker on Fresh Air podcastEasy on NetflixHunger by Roxanne GayEverything you know about obesity is wrong in the Huffington Posthttps://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/Florench Welch on addiction, eating disorder recovery and finding true happiness in her 30s in British Voguehttps://www.vogue.co.uk/article/florence-welch-on-addiction-and-sobrietyGwyneth Paltrow keeps forgetting her Marvel co-stars in Gizmodohttps://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/07/wait-so-what-does-gwyneth-paltrow-remember-from-the-marvel-movies/Booksmart (2019)Jonah Hill interviews his sister Beanie Feldstein in Interviewhttps://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/jonah-hill-bonds-with-his-sister-beanie-feldstein-who-is-quickly-becoming-the-worlds-best-friend Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Off the back of the literal PRESIDENT using the excuse of a woman not being his type as proof he didn't rape her and the lack of media coverage covering E. Jean Carroll's accusations in the first place, we take another look at the story that should've gripped the world... but didn't. What happens we stop caring about credible rape accusations? And has anything even changed post Me Too? On a lighter note, Maddison Beer swore at Izzy on the street, Justin Bobby is still so hot it should be illegal, and the hons Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas got hitched For all our recommendations and a few lols, follow: @afterworkdrinkspodcast . Plus, you can join our closed Facebook group, After Work Drinks Podcast. Recommendations:Watch: The Hills, The Real Housewives of Beverly HillsRead (or listen if you, like Grace, have just discovered Audible): Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup by journalist John CarreyrouListen: The Daily - Corroborating E. Jean Carroll, The Daily - The Battle for Europe (parts 1-5)Why Aren't More People Talking About E. Jean Carroll by GRACEhttps://www.elle.com.au/news/e-jean-carroll-donald-trump-rape-allegation-20760Why E. Jean Carroll, The Anti-Victim, Spoke Up About Trumphttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/jean-carroll-trump-sexual-assault.html?module=inlineThe Wild Ride at Babe.Nethttps://www.thecut.com/2019/06/babe-net-aziz-ansari-date-rise-and-fall.htmlBefore and After the Jogger, Survivors of the Real 'Central Park Five' Attacker Speakhttps://www.thecut.com/2019/06/the-attackers-other-victims-in-the-central-park-five-case.html Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello hello! This week Grace gives a full Royal Ascot debrief (yes, Kate is that beautiful IRL) and Izzy has a chance encounter with our new favourite quasi-celebrity in a Hollywood Pilates class. We break down the unexpected dark side of the crystal industry; two new must-watch TV shows, and briefly discuss E. Jean Carroll's harrowing Trump rape allegations (more on that next week). Based on plenty of amazing listener feedback, we've done a deep dive on The Pill. Why, when so many women have terrible experiences with it, are so many teenage girls prescribed the pill aged 15 and 16? And how do you find the right contraceptive, when the side effects can we so extreme? True Detective Season 3The Armstrong LieIcarus - Netflix cycling documentaryThe Handmaid's Tale Season 3'Are Crystals The New Blood Diamonds?' in The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/jun/16/are-crystals-the-new-blood-diamonds-the-truth-about-muky-business-of-healing-stones?CMP=soc_567&fbclid=IwAR3ITmZaYbtcTyd3BF9TCZcL4R9VCjgth6oLZMJkYMQq7JAOSTu4ml8xUaw'Was This Viral Proposal Staged?' in The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/06/was-viral-proposal-staged/592141/'Hideous Men: Donald Trump Assaulted Me In A Bergdorf Goodman Dressing Room 23 Years Ago. But He's Not Along On The List Of Awful Men In My Life.' By E. Jean Carroll in New York Magazinehttps://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html'Every Girl I Knew Was On It' in The Cuthttps://www.thecut.com/article/why-women-are-going-off-birth-control-pills.html Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In a cruel twist of fate, this week Grace is in London - to attend an event with Kate and Wills - and Izzy is in LA - eating tacos. This week comes complete with an unexpected erotica recommendation (guess who from), the latest of Izzy's LA escapades (Pamela Anderson makes an appearance) and why you should never watch Fleabag with your Dad. Plus, we do a deep dive on failure: In an era where women's successes are more celebrated than ever, have we lost reverence for the importance of failure? And do we have an obligation to be more open about our own failures?Follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast and join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Recommendations:Hunger Makes Me a Modern Girl by Carrie BrownsteinLittle Birds by Anais NinWhy I’m Not Playing it Straight - Andrew Scott interview in the Sunday Star TimesCrashing - NetflixA Passionate Breakdown of Justin Bieber’s Style Phases by Eliza Dumais for Man Repeller https://www.manrepeller.com/2019/06/bieber-style.htmlSmashing the Wellness Industry by Jessica Knoll for the NY Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/opinion/sunday/women-dieting-wellnessHow to fail - Elizabeth day (book and podcast) Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Izzy talks us through her attempt to relive her youth at a music festival in Spain, which resulted in her ending up in the same bedridden state as Grace, who’d just had a serious surgery (spoiler alert: her voice is the same). On the agenda this week, we talk about Irina Shayk’s iconic Breakup Day Out, the response to Madonna likening her New York Times profile to being raped, society’s obsession with ageing and the woman we seriously can’t get enough of, Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Recommendations Watch: Fleabag, Killing Eve, When They See Us, Chernobyl, Dead To Me, Barrys, Documentary Now!, Big Little Lies, GirlsListen: How to Fail - Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Awards Chatter - Phoebe Waller-Bridge, WTF with Marc Maron - Barack Obama Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi guys! This week we are thrilled to welcome Mel and Josie from All Aussie Mystery Hour, the (second) best true crime podcast in the world. We talk to Mel and Jose about true crime and mental health – is it good or bad for us? As the hosts of one of Australia’s top true crime and mystery podcasts they’re especially well-equipped to discuss. Plus, we have a D&M about working with your bestie – the ups and the downs. Enjoy!Recommendations:The Murder Squad Podcast Sins of the Brother by Les Kennedy The Witness (2015) documentaryThe Van Apfel Girls Are Gone By Felicity McLeanBoy Swallows Universe by Trent DaltonSharp Objects by Gillian Flynn Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Izzy’s moved to London and has already figured out where David Beckham, Jude Law and Hugh Grant live and she has a bunch of great recs after a horrific 30-hour flight (which, despite two premonitions from Anton, didn't crash). This week saw another horrific death, as Melbourne woman Courtney Herron was murdered in a park - a story we've heard all too many times before. Are we right to discuss the mental health of her alleged killer? Plus, Moby, Natalie Portman and nice guy misogyny - how are 'woke guys' still getting sex and power dynamic so wrong?Follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast and join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Recommendations:Movie: ‘The Wife’Podcast: All Aussie Mystery Hour ft. US on Mystery Minutes #7Casefile (our fave eps: Sherri Rasmussen, Tina Watson, Silk Road, Jennifer Pan)Anjelica Huston on WTF with Marc MaronWomen of the Hour with Lena Dunham and Jemima Kirke Show: ‘Dead to Me’ Louie - So Did the Fat Lady (season 4, episode 3)Read: The Executioner’s Song by Norman MailerMoby's treatment of Natalie Portman is a masterclass in nice-guy misogyny by Arwa Mahdawi for The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/24/moby-natalie-portman-master-class-beta-male-misogynyWebsites to find out more about contraception options:bedsider.org/methods https://jeanhailes.org.au/health-a-z/sex-sexual-health/contraception Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week is a bumper special tackling the one issue everyone (not just women!) should be talking about this week: Abortion rights. As Alabama passes the most restrictive abortion laws in the United States as a direct attack on Roe v. Wade, we speak directly to YOU, our listeners, about how access to safe and affordable abortion has impacted your life. We also look at the surprisingly restrictive abortion laws that exist in New South Wales, and the ongoing debacle in Northern Ireland. Plus – Izzy has a major announcement, which sparks us to talk about the concept of ‘workism’ and how in 2019 our identities are so tied up with our jobs.Donate here to help women in the US afford abortions: https://nnaf.formstack.com/forms/donateRecommendations:Chernobyl (2019) on HBOGore Vidal’s Palimpsest‘Teenage Girls and Dating Violence’ in The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/health/teenage-girls-dating-violence.html‘What Book Would You Recommend to Anyone?’ on PrimerDead to Me (2019) on Netflixhttps://primer.com.au/what-book-would-you-recommend-to-anyone/ ‘Vanity is Not A Deadly Sin. It’s One of Life’s Vital Signs’ in The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/style/luxury-retirement-communities.html‘Work at identity, burnout at lifestyle’ on the Ezra Klein Showhttps://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/e/60197403?autoplay=true‘How Millennials Became the Burnout Generation’ by Anne Helen Peterson for Buzzfeedhttps://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/millennials-burnout-generation-debt-workRoe v. Wade Parts 1 and 2 by The New York Times’ The Dailyhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/podcasts/the-daily/roe-wade-abortion-norma-mccorvey.htmlThe Legal Vulnerability of Roe v Wade by The New York Times’ The Dailyhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/podcasts/the-daily/supreme-court-abortion.htmlAlabama’s Abortion Ban on ‘The High Low’https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-high-low/id1211338187 Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We’re back, baby. Delusionally tired from a week of Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week Australia, and ready to rag on the new season of 'Game of Thrones'. This week, what it feels like when street style photographers refuse to photograph you, how 'GoT' lost its way in season eight, what the third SATC movie should've covered, baby Archie's name, and a rogue conversation about Amy Schumer. Why did we start hating her all of a sudden? And why are the people we hate always women?Follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast and join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Recommendations: The Cut On Tuesdays ‘What If You Regret Becoming A Mother?’https://gimletmedia.com/shows/the-cut-on-tuesdays/z3hg94/what-if-you-regret-becoming-a-momThe Cut on Tuesdays ‘Call Your Mom’https://gimletmedia.com/shows/the-cut-on-tuesdays/39hr82/call-your-momSaving Sex and The City 3https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/saving-sex-and-the-city-3/id1378862255Sinead Burke On Becoming The First Little Person To Attend The Met Gala in British Voguehttps://www.vogue.co.uk/article/sinead-burke-gucci-met-gala'Awards Chatter' Podcast — Keira Knightley ('Colette')https://player.fm/series/awards-chatter-1401973/keira-knightley-coletteGame of ThronesThe O.C.Trainwreck (2015) Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What a week it's been! From surprise celebrity weddings to a quick sojourn to Paris and a royal baby, we have a lot to debrief on. Oh, and there was *that* Game of Thrones episode. But we're really here for one reason and one reason only: Met Gala. Izzy and Grace take out their fashion commentator hats and do an in-depth analysis of the red carpet. Best Met Gala ever? Follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast and join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Recommendations:Years Ago, My Sister Vanished. I see Her Whenever I Want. in The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/style/modern-love-sister-vanished.htmlAnjelica Huston, In Conversation in Vulturehttps://www.vulture.com/2019/05/anjelica-huston-in-conversation.htmlGuantanamo's Darkest Secret by Ben Taub in The New Yorkerhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/22/guantanamos-darkest-secret Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It turns out Grace isn't the only one who can't play sport to save her life and thanks to a few listener's hilarious childhood stories she's feeling better about *that* basketball incident. We have a few incredible true crime documentary recommendations and Izzy's obsessed with this crazy sex cult called NXIVM, which attracted millionaires and celebrities with the founders currently going through the court system. Speaking of celebs, Olivia Munn's Twitter essay and Lizzo's smackdown of an unfavourable review has the journalism world questioning - are celebrities getting a little thin-skinned? Plus, according to recent studies, young adults are drinking less than ever before and the 'sober curious' movement shows no signs of slowing down. It's a no brainer that alcohol is bad for our psychical and mental health, so should we all just stop drinking? (Spoiler: we were drinking rosé while debating this).Ps! We’ll post all our recommendations and behind the scenes on Instagram: @afterworkdrinkspodcast . Plus, you can join our closed Facebook group, After Work Drinks Podcast. Recommendations: Billie Eilish (lol)To watch: The Case Against Adnan Syed, The Jinx, The Bold TypeTo read: Celebrities couldn't take criticism this weekhttps://www.vogue.com/article/olivia-munn-fug-girls-ariana-grande-justin-bieber-lizzoThe Instagram aesthetic is overhttps://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/04/influencers-are-abandoning-instagram-look/587803/Listen to: Escaping NXIVM (season one of Uncover: The Village podcast) Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kanye suggested it months ago in a ye olde Twitter rant and now Instagram is considering removing how many likes you get on images, which could result in the influencer apocalypse and free the rest of us from the dopamine like cycle for good. Plus, is asking for help the real secret to success? And in recent years, the term ‘having it all’ has been redefined, broken down and dismissed, so why are we all still subconsciously trying to get there? And where even is ‘there’? And then we kinda lose it and talk shit about being useless at sport and being bullied in primary school. Enjoy Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

‘Intuitive eating’ is the new buzzphrase taking over the wellness industry, but unlike other fad diets, this philosophy is something we can actually get behind. Off the back of our new attempt at body neutrality, we talk about our relationships with food, dieting and body image growing up, plus the effect Instagram has and the world’s ridiculous notion that overweight automatically equals unhealthy. Plus, it’s Coachella mania, complete with a Jordyn Woods/Kardashian run in and The Daily Mail’s gross reporting on Tammy Hembrow. And finally, Grace is upset that an AWD Book Club movement started without her. To stay up to date and for all our recommendations, follow @afterworkdrinkspodcast on Instagram. To have your say on our topics, join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast'. You can email us on [email protected] To read: A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara, Conversations with Friends by Sally Rooney, The Secret History by Donna Tartt, The State of Affairs By Esther PerelEverything you know about obesity is wrong https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/?fbclid=IwAR0fD36Ugo8QPKMfzCLDVEVb9gEZBXYpd9hiGZGFkcvtuOiAE3xgDp9izTIThe key to glorifying a questionable diet? Be a tech bro and call it ‘biohacking.’ https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-key-to-glorifying-a-questionable-diet-be-a-tech-bro-and-call-it-biohacking/2019/04/11/12368e2c-5ba2-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?fbclid=IwAR38LSZ9Hg-pWbe1p-m7jMknLE-COdQbW5a3VChcTybjZ03INFZ5ViAMCtE&noredirect=on&utm_term=.36178dd2c008Podcast: Don’t Salt my Game by Laura Thomas TV show: Game of Thrones (then put your theories in our FB group!) Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're in an era where women value their independence even more than ever - but we're still collectively as obsessed with marriage as we ever have been. Why? Izzy and Grace discuss the role of marriage in 2019 - is it even relevant anymore? What's the point? Are we just doing it for Instagram? Plus, a full debrief on meeting Kendall Jenner - and why there's still no mania like Kardashian mania.To stay up to date and for all our recommendations, follow @afterworkdrinkspodcast on Instagram. To have your say on our topics, join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast'. Recommendations:A Little Life by Hanya YanagiharaGiovanni's Room by James BaldwinNick Cave's The Red Hand FilesAmerican Crime Story: The Assassination of Gianni Versace'How To Fail' podcast with Dolly AldertonThe State of Affairs by Esther PerelMarriage: An Investigation on 'The Cut' https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/marriage-an-investigation.htmlYou can email us on [email protected] Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

With the rise of the 'attention economy' and food, shopping, men and, well, literally everything a mere button away - we've all become impatient psychopaths. Or at least that's how Isabelle and Grace feel anyway. How much of patience has to do with being in control? And how is our lack of it affecting everything from our relationships to our mental health? Plus, Jacinda Ardern's response to the Christchurch terror attack proves that when women stop trying to lead like men, we excel. And let's talk 'The Ick' - fundamental part of dating? Or another sign that we're the generation who simply can't stick things out?Recommendations:Movies: Colette, UsPodcasts: The Daily - One Family's Story of Survival and Loss in NZLupita Nyong'o on GoopHere’s the thing with Alec Baldwin Jeffrey Toobin and Susan OrleanThe Cut on Tuesdays - How Rukmini Callimachi Gets It Done Books: A Little Life by Hanya YanagiharaThe People Vs OJ Simpson by Jeffrey ToobinArticles: bell hooks interviews Lil Kim for Paperhttp://www.papermag.com/lil-kim-bell-hooks1-1427357106.html?rebelltitem=62#rebelltitem62‘What Happens When Women Stop Leading Like Men’ by Tina Brown for the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/opinion/women-leadership-jacinda-ardern.html?fbclid=IwAR0WA4kruhqkPRIE15V03VEYgcXNDQUt3U-RcoKORcJ3lY_ZZ_7FxvvdDk0'The Ick” Is Bullshit & We’ve Gotta Stop Using It As A Reason To Break Up' by Melissa Mason for Pedestrian TVhttps://www.pedestrian.tv/dating/the-ick-dating-reason-break-up/'Can a Control Freak Self-Teach Patience? I’m Trying' by Leandra Medine for Man Repellerhttps://www.manrepeller.com/2017/04/developing-patience-when-youre-impatient.html Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Isabelle is back from Africa where she had an obnoxiously luxe few weeks (and met a racist named Lindy). We talk Elizabeth Holmes - the scandal everyone can't seem to get enough of. And in the wake of another ambition-gone-wrong tale, we question: Is ambition overrated? And are we working ourselves to death out of fear not doing so is going to let the feminist side down? Plus, a deep-dive on the Madeline McCann documentary. Read:On Michael Jackson by Margo Jefferson https://www.booktopia.com.au/on-michael-jackson-margo-jefferson/prod9781783784202.htmlAdele by Leila Slimanihttps://www.booktopia.com.au/adele-leila-slimani/prod9780571331956.htmlEverything I Know About Love by Dolly Alderton https://www.penguin.com.au/books/everything-i-know-about-love-9780241982105The Argument podcasthttps://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-new-york-times/the-argumentTo Live and Die In LA podcast (2019)https://www.radio.com/media/podcast/live-and-die-laUs (2019) by Jordan Peelehttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt6857112/'The Ending of 'Us' Explained' by Grace O'Neill for ELLE.com.auhttps://www.elle.com.au/culture/us-movie-ending-explained-20150New York Times' The Daily Podcast: 'How New Zealand Banned Assault Rifles in 7 Days'https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/podcasts/the-daily/new-zealand-gun-ban.htmlPandora Sykes' for The Times: 'Is an Obsession With Achievement Holding You Back?'https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fomog-fear-missing-out-goals-is-obsession-achievement-holding-you-back-x3l06dmnpThe Ambition Collision by Lisa Miller for The Cut https://www.thecut.com/2017/09/what-happens-to-ambition-in-your-30s.htmlThe Dropout podcast (2019)http://abcradio.com/podcasts/the-dropout/The Inventor: Out For Blood in Silicon Valley (2019) by Alex Gibney and HBOhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt8488126/'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann' (2019) on Netflixhttps://www.netflix.com/title/80194956You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.' Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Surprise! It’s an early edition of After Work Drinks this week because let’s be honest, there’s nothing we’re going to want to talk about more than the Michael Jackson documentary (and shocking allegations of abuse in Leaving Neverland). Unlike R. Kelly’s ‘Ignition’, it feels futile and impossible to try and ban or remove Michael Jackson’s music so, if we believe Wade and James, how do we move forward? And why, after all we’ve learned from #MeToo, are we still seeing the credibility of victims be viciously undermined? Plus, on a lighter note, we have a few good watches, reads and listens to ingest and Zadie Smith’s tip for productivity. This episode deals with heavy issues including childhood sexual abuse. While we made the conscious decision not to discuss the allegations in any graphic detail, the topic may be distressing for some listeners. If you feel you need help, the below resources are helpful:Lifeline: 13 11 141800 RESPECT: 1800 737 732ChildWise: 1300 244 539Recommendations:Calypso by David Sedarishttps://www.booktopia.com.au/calypso-david-sedaris/prod9781408707821.htmlThe White Album by Joan Didionhttps://www.booktopia.com.au/the-white-album-joan-didion/prod9780374532079.htmlRussian Doll on Netflixhttps://www.netflix.com/title/80211627 Exposed: The Case of Keli Lane on ABChttps://iview.abc.net.au/show/exposed-the-case-of-keli-lane Esther Perel in the New Yorkerhttps://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/love-is-not-a-permanent-state-of-enthusiasm-an-interview-with-esther-perel ‘Where Should We Begin?’ by Esther Perel season three on Audiblehttps://www.audible.com.au/pd/Esther-Perels-Where-Should-We-Begin-The-Arc-of-Love-Audiobook/B07H7P2DPR Difficult Women by Roxanne Gayhttps://www.hachette.com.au/roxane-gay/difficult-womenThe Cut on Tuesdays https://www.gimletmedia.com/the-cut-on-tuesdaysThe OA - Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80044950Zadie Smith on The Toure Showhttps://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cadence13/toure-show/e/53184632Leaving Neverland by Dan Reed and HBOhttps://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/leaving-neverland/2019/3/leaving-neverland--part-2 'Reckoning with the Real Michael Jackson' The New York Times' The Dailyhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/podcasts/the-daily/michael-jackson-abuse-leaving-neverland.htmlThe Michael Jackson accusers: ‘The abuse didn’t feel strange, because he was like a god’ by Hadley Freeman in The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/04/the-michael-jackson-accusers-the-abuse-didnt-feel-strange-because-he-was-like-a-god‘Why Oprah’s ‘Neverland’ special was so important’ by Taylor Weatherby for Billboardhttps://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8501577/why-oprahs-leaving-neverland-special-was-so-important Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This episode our long awaited debrief of ~the~ celebrity interview of 2019 is here (It's irony people! That was obviously the Biebers). Grace is still espousing Konspiracy theories – but overall we’re just kind of bored of all this Kardashian business. Is 2019 the year we official stop karing about them altogether? Plus, Johnny Depp is suing Amber Heard for $70 million and it has, strangely, ignited some more girl-on-girl hatred toward Amber Heard. Why does she still inspire so much fury? And what does it say about feminism that we still can't make sense of the Depp/Heard allegations in 2019? Younger (watch at your own risk)https://www.stan.com.au/watch/youngerHappy Face podcasthttps://www.thehappyfacepodcast.com/Who the Hell is Hamish? podcasthttps://www.theaustralian.com.au/podcasts/podcast-who-the-hell-is-hamish/news-story/c95b519a9ececa6076df80bd130ba158Madeleine McCann docoseries coming to Netflix, here's the Nine podcast (disclaimer: I haven't listened to more than 20 mins):https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/04/10/43/maddie-podcast-episodes-what-happened-madeleine-mccannDrown by Junot DiazAmsterdam by Ian McEwanPamela Adlon on NPR’s ‘Fresh Air’ podcastLouis CK on Marc Maron’s ‘WTF’ podcastYou can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.' Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We’re reuninted and boy does it feel good! Grace tells an unnecessarily long anecdote about her flight back to Australia and Isabelle brags about her upcoming trip to Botswanna – we break down Meghan Markle’s strangely #sponcon New York baby shower, and catch up on the latest Jordyn Woods drama, including her highly anticipated tell all interview. But most importantly, we’re talking OSCARS – dresses we loved, dresses we hated, that Bradley Cooper/Lady Gaga performance and Rami and Lucy’s adorable PDA. On a more serious note, we deep dive on the Green Book controversy – warranted criticism or much ado about nothing?References:Beautiful Boy (2018) directed by Felix Van GroeningenIf Beale Street Could Talk (2018) directed by Barry JenkinsNPR’s Fresh Air podcast with dream hamptonhttps://www.npr.org/2019/02/20/695083431/surviving-r-kelly-producer-dream-hampton-takes-on-ecosystem-that-s-supported-him Vanity Fair’s In The Limelight podcast ‘Up Up Away’https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/02/meghan-markle-baby-shower Vanity Fair’s ‘The Truth About Green Book’https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/truth-about-green-book-viggo-mortensen-mahershala-aliThe New York Times’ The Daily podcast: “What Hollywood Keeps Getting Wrong About Race”https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/podcasts/the-daily/oscars-green-book-interracial-friendship.html Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In our first international episode, Grace gives us all the London Fashion Week goss, while Izzy fills her in on everything that’s been happening in the real world, AKA with the Kardashians, since she’s been gone. From reports that Tristan Thompson cheated on Khloe Kardashian with Kylie Jenner's best friend, Jordyn Woods, to rumours Kim Kardashian is secretly helping brands rip off her designer clothing, it’s all go in Calabasas RN. Plus, our fave book of the year is being turned into a movie (love you, Reese Witherspoon) and our first (very brief) podcast guest.You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @AfterWorkDrinksPodcast, or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Please remember if you like After Work Drinks to rate, review, subscribe and share Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Grace is back from Tasmania and wasn't - as far as we know - possessed by a ghost and/or demon. Isabelle gives a thorough debrief of 'Abducted in Plain Sight' - the most batshit insane true documentary in the history of true crime documentaries; we talk about *that* Hailey Bieber/Justin Bieber profile and have a moment of silence for poor, poor Meghan Markle in the wake of Thomas' latest exploit. Plus, a deep-dive on Liam Neeson - does his insane admission about wanting to commit a racist attack 40 years ago (probably should have kept that one to yourself) fundamentally make him 'racist'? Or is sparking uncomfortable conversations about internalised racism and bias?You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Reading list:Thing of Beauty, The Tragedy of Supermodel Gia by Stephen FriedThe New York Times' The Daily - 'Democrats Wanted Zero Tolerance for Misconduct. Then Came Virginia' Sex Education (2019) on NetflixAbducted in Plain Sight (2019) on Netflix'Becoming' by Michelle Obama'Who The Hell is Hamish?' podcast by The Australian'Justin and Hailey Bieber Open Up About Their Passionate, Not-Always-Easy but Absolutely All-In Romance' by Rob Haskell for Vogue Meghan Markle's Best Friends Break Their Silence: "We Want to Speak the Truth' by People'Revealed: The handwritten letter showing true tragedy of Meghan's rift with father she says has 'broken her heart into a million pieces' - and why he feels forced to make the 'devastating' missive public' by The Daily Mail'Liam Neeson interview: Rape, race and how I learnt revenge doesn't work' by Clemence Michallon for The Independent Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In less than 5 days we broke our true crime ban for an incredibly binge-able, but harrowing new podcast series. Izzy has fallen in love with her first book of 2019 - plus, we break down the internet's intense Bradley Cooper/Lady Gaga shipping. Yes, it's fun to indulge in tabloid fodder - but is all this obsessing over two (married) people's faux relationship kinda... wrong? Plus, why we need to stop dissing influencers (because according to data we all secretly want to be one). And, speaking of influencers, introducing two new ones: we’ve started an Instagram! Follow us please, @afterworkdrinkspodcast You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Please remember if you like After Work Drinks to rate, review, subscribe and share Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Something's in the water because we've both developed a love for the great outdoors: Grace went rock climbing (and then Angelina Jolie copied her) and Isabelle literally went CAMPING. In other news, Prince George has gone missing and been replaced by a boy named Archie. Why the concept of 'pet faves' will help remedy a bad day and we discuss vanity in the Instagram era - are selfies making us (even more) self-obsessed? Plus, off the back of this newfound Ted Bundy mania (he’s actually not that hot, okay?), we deep dive on true crime - has our obsession officially gone too far?You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Links/recommendations:Love Stories with Dolly Alderton and Stanley Tuccihttps://soundcloud.com/user-892136004/love-stories-with-stanley-tucciHomecoming https://www.gimletmedia.com/homecoming‘Lullaby’ by Leila Slimanihttps://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/fiction/Lullaby-Leila-Slimani-9780571337545‘Ordinary Things That Bring Me Extraordinary Joy’ by T.Wise for Man Repellerhttps://www.manrepeller.com/2019/01/pet-faves-are-better-than-pet-peeves.html‘What is Prince George Hiding?’ by Kelly Conaboy for The Cuthttps://www.thecut.com/2019/01/prince-george-cambridge-name-archie-report.html‘The State of “Vanity” in the Selfie Era’ by Emma Bracy for Man Repellerhttps://www.manrepeller.com/2019/01/what-is-vanity-in-the-era-of-selfies.html‘Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes’ https://www.netflix.com/title/80226612‘How a True-Crime Podcast Became a Mental-Health Support Group’ by Andrea Marks for The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/02/the-true-crime-podcast-turned-mental-health-support-group/517200/ Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Your long weekend is SORTED courtesy of our copious amount of reading/podcast/TV show recommendations. Grace makes a surprise cameo in the Fyre festival and Isabelle finds a podcast that has actually turned her $$ situation around. Another shocking murder has women in Australia angry - but the 'fuck all men' rhetoric isn't going to get us anywhere. Plus, we do a deep dive on the perennial millennial motherhood question: With 2 in 3 millennial women having fertility fears, how do we negotiate motherhood in an era where our biology hasn't caught up with society?Links/recommendations:Where Should We Begin with Esther Perel https://www.estherperel.com/podcastAnthony Bourdain WTF with Marc Maronhttp://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/repost-anthony-bourdain-from-2011The Clinton Affair https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8972296/Interiors accounts (surely someone cares?) RUDE@decorehardcore@studioashby@amyastley@matildagoadThe Favourite https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5083738/?ref_=nv_sr_1Green Bookhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt6966692/?ref_=nv_sr_1The Pineapple Projecthttps://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/the-pineapple-project/‘Fyre’ (Netflix’s documentary on the Fyre Festival) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9412098/?ref_=nv_sr_1‘Dirty John’https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7945720/?ref_=nv_sr_1‘Men of Australia, it's time to pick your side’ by Clementine Ford for Sydney Morning Heraldhttps://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/men-of-australia-it-s-time-to-pick-your-side‘#MeToo movement: what so many men are missing’ by David Roberts for Voxhttps://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/17826168/me-too-louis-ck-men-comeback‘The #MeToo Moment: I’m a Straight Man. Now What?’ by Daniel Victor for the New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/the-metoo-moment-im-a-straight-man-now-what.htmlThe millennial motherhood trap by Stephanie Boland for Prospect Magazinehttps://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-motherhood-trapYou can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Please remember if you like After Work Drinks to rate, review, subscribe and share Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

James Hottie Middleton has made his secret Instagram account private - but we're mainly interested in who he's following (and potentially thirsting over). We've heard rumours about R. Kelly for decades, so why has it taken us so long to take them seriously? Plus, Botox and Filler Nation - Australia is now the country with the most cosmetic surgery operations per capita IN THE WORLD. When did we all decide that plastic surgery was the norm, and why are there so few meaningful conversations about it?Reading material:The Guardian: 'Why Has Holiday Reading Become a Competitive Sport'?https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/12/why-has-holiday-reading-become-a-competitive-sportFilm: Cold War (2018) by Paweł PawlikowskiVanity Fair's 'In The Limelight' podcast 'A Royal Holiday'https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/in-the-limelight/id1177555203?mt=2Buzzfeed: 'Inside the Pied Piper of R&B's Cult' https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimderogatis/parents-told-police-r-kelly-is-keeping-women-in-a-cultLifetime's 'Surviving R. Kelly' (2019)The New Yorker: 'R. Kelly and The Complexities of Race in the Me Too Era' https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/r-kelly-and-the-complexities-of-race-in-the-metoo-eraThe Guardian: ‘Is America developing a ‘crack-like’ addiction to Botox beauty?https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jan/08/botox-nation-america-addiction-crack-like-cosmetic-proceduresThe Atlantic: ‘No More Stigma Against Plastic Surgery, Please’https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/07/no-more-stigma-against-plastic-surgery-please/277427/The Cut: ‘Plastic Surgery: What Happens Before And After’https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/plastic-cosmetic-surgery-lauren-greenfield-before-and-after.htmlMan Repeller: ‘I’m 28 Years Old And I Think I Want Botox’https://www.manrepeller.com/2017/05/botox-in-your-twenties.htmlRefinery 29: ‘Is Botox Anti-Feminist?’https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/01/187527/botox-feminism-guilt Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're back! For our first episode of 2019, we talk about New Year's resolutions - or lack thereof in Grace's case. Are they pointless or worth investing in? We break down the Golden Globes red carpet (which Fiji Water Girl undoubtedly won) and the latest buzz phrase, 'financial infidelity,' gets us on a money tangent. Why are we so afraid to discuss our finances with our friends? And is having a robust savings account a feminist act? Links: ‘12 Things To Stop Doing in 2017’ by Grace O’Neill for ELLE Australia https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.elle.com.au/amp/culture/12-things-to-stop-doing-in-2017-8314 'The Life to Come' by Michelle de Kretser https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/fiction/literary-fiction/The-Life-to-Come-Michelle-de-Kretser-9781760296568 'Financially Fearless' by Alexa von Tobel https://www.dymocks.com.au/book/financially-fearless-by-alexa-von-tobel-9780385347617/ Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We released this week’s episode a day early because of the latest update in the tragic story behind Grace Millane’s death: that the 26-year-old man who murdered her in New Zealand on December 1st was known as ‘creepy’ years before this happened. Senseless, violent acts like this stem from an inherent sexism engrained over years and it’s important that we address the patterns of behaviour at the root of the cause - not just whenever an innocent young woman loses her life. We had intended to cover more topics in this episode but ended up dedicating our entire discussion to Grace. It’s our most emotional recording to date as we discuss the cycles that lead to violence and the disgusting everyday acts of sexism women are expected to put up with.You can email us on [email protected], join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast', or follow us on Instagram: @isabelletruman and @grceoneill. Links: Tinder is not the problem, violent men are the problem by Sinead Corcoranhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/109221894/grace-millane-case-tinder-is-not-the-problem-violent-men-are-the-problemRest in Peace, Grace Millane by Lizzie Marvelly https://www.villainesse.com/think/rest-peace-grace-millane Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Good afternoon to everyone except Chris Dawson! In this episode, we discuss Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas’ insanely OTT wedding extravaganza (#SponCon?) and do a deep-dive into gaslighting and emotional abuse off the back of Mel B’s tell-all book. And, of course, we discuss the arrest of Chris Dawson, who has finally been charged with the murder of his wife, Lyn, 37 years later. We love you, Hedley.You can email us on [email protected], join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast', or follow us on Instagram: @isabelletruman and @grceoneill.Links:The Teacher’s Pethttps://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-teachers-petAnthony Bourdain - Kitchen Confidential https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/kitchen-confidential-9781408845042/Butterbeer Tears on Vanity Fair’s In the Limelight podcasthttps://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/in-the-limelight/id1177555203?mt=2Gwyneth Paltrow Wants to Convert You by Elisa Lipsky-Karaszhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/gwyneth-paltrow-wants-to-convert-you-1543931659When Priyanka Met Nick: A Love Storyhttps://www.vogue.com/article/priyanka-chopra-nick-jonas-interviewMel B: ‘I got used to lying. I didn’t want anyone to find out’ by Simon Hattenstonehttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/01/mel-b-i-got-used-to-lying-i-didnt-want-anyone-to-find-outMel B and her daughter Phoenix reveal how her toxic marriage nearly broke them bothhttps://www.you.co.uk/mel-b-daughter-phoenix-interview-2018/Please also remember, if you like After Work Drinks to rate, review and subscribe! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Izzy and Grace drill-down on Lena Dunham: Is she the self-absorbed narcissist the media insists on painting her as? Or is she a victim of a sexist culture that holds women to a higher account than men? Plus, a deep dive on the concept of ‘emotional labour’ in the wake of Gemma Hartley’s new book ‘Fed Up’. Plus Plus, Izzy has found Gossip Girl 2.0 (kinda) and how Grace lost her mind on Black Friday.You can email us on [email protected], join our Facebook closed group ‘After Work Drinks Podcast’ and follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill.Links: Yeah, I’m Not for Everyone.’ Lena Dunham comes to terms with herselfhttps://www.thecut.com/2018/11/lena-dunham-comes-to-terms-with-herself.htmlArmchair Expert with Dax Shepard https://armchairexpertpod.com/pods/lena-dunham‘Fed Up: Navigating and redefining emotional labour for good’ by Gemma Hartleyhttps://www.hachette.com.au/gemma-hartley/fed-up-navigating-and-redefining-emotional-labour-for-goodWhy Women Still Can’t Have It All by Anne-Marie Slaughterhttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/07/why-women-still-cant-have-it-all/309020/ Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hailey Baldwin – sorry, Bieber – may have officially changed her name, but the real news is that she got caught stalking a Selena Gomez fan account. Plus, we’re collectively obsessed with reading up on how successful start their days, but is the ‘aspirational’ lifestyle totally overrated? Finally, we tackle the topic of phone addiction: has Screen Time ruined our lives? Plus, why it’s probably not your fault that you're addicted to your iPhone.You can email us on [email protected] and follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill. Links:  The Sinner Season Twohttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt6048596/episodes My Dad Wrote a Porno https://www.acast.com/mydadwroteaporno 'Boys Will Be Boys' by Clementine Fordhttps://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/general-books/current-affairs-politics/Boys-Will-Be-Boys-Clementine-Ford-9781760632335 Four hours' sleep, yoga at dawn – are today's influencers really living their best lives? - Hadley Freemanhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/10/four-hours-sleep-yoga-dawn-todays-influencers-best-lives Man Repeller's Leandra Medine: ‘I’m in bed by 8.30pm’https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2018/oct/06/leandra-medine-manrepeller-fashion-blogger-life-work-balance Save Me, I’m a Screen Zombie - Jo Ellisonhttps://medium.com/financial-times/save-me-im-a-screen-zombie-7d252b69a399 Former Facebook executive Chamath Palihapitiya on social media addiction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMotykw0SIk Please also remember, if you like 'After Work Drinks' to rate, review and subscribe! This makes us appear higher in the podcast app and helps other listeners find us! Plus, if we get enough of you, we’ll hopefully get some alcohol sponsorships and wouldn’t that just be brilliant. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Isabelle is back from NYC and literally will not stop talking about the Victoria’s Secret show (she went, FYI) so we’re doing a whole special on it! From being backstage with Bella Hadid to scoring a ticket to the after, after party – Izzy shares all the insider goss. And yes, before you say it, we do discuss the controversy this year – warranted or not? Plus, a Very Important E-Mail was received this week, and Grace introduces a FUN one-off segment.You can email us on [email protected] and follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill.Links: Personal History by Katherine Grahamhttps://www.hachette.com.au/katharine-graham/personal-historyInside the 2018 Victoria's Secret Fashion Showhttps://www.marieclaire.com.au/victorias-secret-fashion-show-2018-review Victoria’s Secret is trying to change with the times. Or is it?https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/fashion/victorias-secret-liberation-in-corsets-and-spike-heels.htmlPlease also remember, if you like 'After Work Drinks' to rate, review and subscribe! Or better yet, share on Instagram Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week we’re recording ahead of time, so are taking a little break from the news cycle to bring you an anxiety special. From sleep paralysis to ‘catastrophising’ and secretly having the same psychologist - you name it, we’ve been there. Izzy also decides to rate all of Liane Moriarty’s books in an unplanned (read: unwanted) book special and Grace tells us all (four years too late) how to make millions from Facebook. Links: Liane Moriarty’s books http://lianemoriarty.com.au/books/ The Daily - The Business of Internet Outrage https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-new-york-times/the-daily-10/e/56981597 RESCUE REMEDY Pastilles https://www.priceline.com.au/rescue-remedy-pastilles-original-flavour-50-g Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to After Work Drinks. This week we're talking about the Netflix show that had us both gripped and reminiscing about that one time Izzy made Grace go to the beach. Plus, the big topics: Can we ever really achieve work/life balance? (Or, the Arianna Huffington vs. Elon ‘I-Work-120-Hours-Per-Week’ Musk debate) plus, the Shitty Men in Media list, good or bad? And how the bathrooms at Brown University provided the first list over 20 years ago.Links/Things we recommended The Bodyguard - Netflix‘Boy Swallows Universe’ by Trent Dalton https://www.harpercollins.com.au/9781460753897/boy-swallows-universe/‘Why We Sleep’ by Matthew Walkerhttps://www.penguin.com.au/books/why-we-sleep-the-new-science-of-sleep-and-dreams-9780141983769‘An Open Letter to Elon Musk’ by Arianna Huffington https://www.thriveglobal.com/stories/40343-open-letter-elon-musk‘On Why 1/3 Of Gen Z Don’t Drink’ by The High Low https://www.acast.com/thehighlowshow/why1-3ofgenzdon-tdrink-howfeelingstookovertheworld“He’s Coming After Us”: A List and a Lawsuithttps://www.gimletmedia.com/the-cut-on-tuesdays/hes-coming-after-us-a-list-and-a-lawsuit#episode-player Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On the agenda this week, we’re talking about what everyone else is talking about: ‘A Star Is Born’. Plus, whether Louis C.K. should be able to return to comedy and whether Steven Avery is guilty or not.Links:The Rise of the Problematic Favehttps://www.manrepeller.com/2018/08/problematic-faves-grimes-r-kelly.htmlThe Daily - Letting Louis C.K. Back on Stagehttps://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?mt=2 Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to episode 4 of After Work Drinks where we discuss the royal madness that has hit Australia, baby and all. Plus, one of the speedy celebrity engagements of 2018 has come to an end - what does it mean, if anything? Added bonus: An unexpected Tinder tip. Grab a glass and settle in.Links:Why I care what Meghan wears (and why you should, too) - Melissa Singerhttps://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/why-i-care-what-meghan-wears-and-why-you-should-too-20181018-p50acn.htmlFEMINISTS DON'T WEAR PINK (AND OTHER LIES)https://www.penguin.com.au/books/feminists-dont-wear-pink-and-other-lies-9780241357187 Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.