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The Official Podcast of Bourbon! The best in news, reviews and interviews with people making the bourbon whiskey industry happen. Join hosts Kenny Coleman, Ryan Cecil, and Fred Minnick as they talk with prominent guests and provide insight on American whiskey 3 times a week. Catch all new episodes every Thursday with special Whiskey Quickie reviews on Tuesday and get caught up on bourbon news with This Week in Bourbon on Friday.
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15/08/2024

475 - Will There Ever Be A Shortage of Dusty Bourbon? with Brad Bonds and Shannon C Smith of Revival Vintage Spirits

One of those indulges that we find ourself in with this bourbon hobby is acquiring a few dusty bottles. And if you've never had a dusty bourbon before, then this episode will wet your appetite for one. There's so many aspects of it but can you imagine building a business off of a non-renewable resource like dusty bourbon? That's what we wanted to know so Brad Bonds and Shannon C Smith of Revival Vintage Spirits join the show. We talk about various aspects of the dusty bourbon market and collecting vintage spirits for sale such as strategies for acquiring dusty bottles, managing inventory and cash flow, vetting buyers, and dealing with potential fakes. We also touch on some legal things but also figuring out what brands stand out in the dusty market. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about whiskey going bad with only a small amount remaining. What led you down the dusty bourbon rabbit hole? Were you trying to buy and acquire dusty bourbon when you were at Cork 'n bottle? What was your strategy on acquiring dusty bottles? Are you scared about your inventory coming to an end? How do you manage your cash flow? How do you vet buyers and look for fakes? Why don't you like to resell Van Winkle? What has changed with the Kentucky Vintage law? What is defined as a vintage spirit? Are Beam decanters are good gateway for those getting started? How do you choose what to open for the open tasting bar? What percentage of your revenue is tastings vs full bottle sales? How do you guide someone in buying a bottle if they have a budget? What products today do you think will be great vintages tomorrow? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 5m
08/08/2024

474 - Why Don't European Whiskey Drinkers Care About Bourbon? with Henrik Brandt and Linus Jonsson

A few months ago I came across an article on Vinepair that explained even though we are in the midst of a bourbon boom in American with everything feeling a modern day gold rush to collect every new bottle that comes out, it's the complete opposite in europe. Europeans aren't buying the bourbon boom. But why? To help dive into this, I figured we may as well go straight to the source and invite some europeans on the show. Henrik Brandt and Linus Jonsson are from Denmark and Sweden and give us an insight into what the bourbon scene looks like in their part of the world. We discuss the major issues with limited access, minimal marketing, stigma when compared to high age statement scotches, and how importing inflate prices. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about abolishing the three tier system. How did you find bourbon even though you aren't from America? What was the attraction to bourbon? How hard has it been to spread the word of bourbon? Is access the major issue why bourbon isn't proliferating? Is there a stigma that exists about american whiskey? Is the price too high when compared to scotch and how have the tariffs impacted it? Are we ever going to have a culture shift? Would having a celebrity backing help at all? Why is blending more accepted? How is bourbon marketed and how can you get the bottles sold off the shelf? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 9m
18/07/2024

471 - Standing Out In A Crowded Market with Seth Benhaim of Broken Barrel

Starting a whiskey company is no easy task. And making youself stand out from everyone else, it's even harder. There are a handful of companies that supply most of the bourbon we see on the shelves and many of us fall into the trap of buying based off the packaging. However, with this show, we're able to go and find brands who are finding new fans based off their whiskey. Broken Barrel is one of those companies that is forging a new path and finishing their whiskey in such a unique way by rebuilding barrels that we needed to have them on the show. Today we get to talk to Seth Banheim who is the Founder and their Global Brand Manager, Nick Roady about how to stand out in a crowded market. As a brand we have to find new ways to be different and find a way to capture the mindshare of consumers on a whole new level. We also talk about brand education hurdles and how far can you go until you've completely lost a customer. There's a lot to unpack here, especially for those budding whiskey brands who are looking to make a name for themselves. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about eliminating toasted barrels for finishing. What were you doing with a vodka brand and how did it get into whiskey? Where did you see the opportunity to find new types of staves? Do you hate making money? Why was is so important to have a differentiator compared to what has been done already? How does the conversation change when talking to retailers and distributors on being different? What did you learn from Ol Smokey and what they did different? How far can you go before you lose a consumer with brand education? Is there something to a model like yours that can capture consumers of all levels? At what point does differentiation go too far? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 4m
11/07/2024

470 - The Complete History and Mystique Behind Blanton's with Dominic Guglielmi, author of Warehouse H

If you're a liquor store owner, there are 3 words you hate to hear, "Got any Blanton's?". For today's modern whiskey consumer, we know about the iconic bottle shape, the collectible letters, and there's a few different expressions. However, Blanton's played a critical role in the history of bourbon and there are a lot of super rare expressions you will never get a chance to see in your lifetime. To tell this history, Dominic Guglielmi who's the author of Warehouse H comes on the show. He has the one of the most renowned collections of Blanton's on the earth and he even refers to himself as the Ultimate Tater. Beyond just collecting the most coveted bottles around, he has taken the knowledge he learned and the complete history of the brand and put it into a fascinating book that will make you respect it's past and what it has done for the current bourbon landscape. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about palletized warehouses. What's your coming of age tale with Blanton's? What was your first rare Blanton's bottle? What's the most limited bottle ever released? Why was Blanton's created as a product? Who owns the brand? Where did the bottle come from? What releases go into different markets? Is the demand as strong internationally vs domestically? Does the price remain at SRP internationally? What are the secondary prices on the most rare bottles of Blanton's? What do you think of today's typical Blanton's releases? Where are the best Blanton's ending up across the world? What is new Blanton's culture like? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 6m
04/07/2024

469 - How to Value A Whiskey Company and Sell It with Kris Bohm of Distillery Now Consulting

Every year there is a distillery that catches the headlines because they have sold for hundred of millions of dollars. Sounds like a dream for many but to make that dream become a reality, you'll have to know how to value your distillery. For that reason I've invited Kris Bohm on the show. He's the founder of Distillery Now Consulting where he helps folks buy, sell, and install distillery equipment, but he's also found himself in the midst of multiple merger and acquisition conversations. He joins the show to talk about how to value a distillery in the case someone like Diageo or a private equity firm comes knocking. We talk about case sale volumes, the value of aging whiskey in barrels, equipment, brand recognition, and where the trajectory growth curve comes into play. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about the rise of AI and being a writer. What made you want to get into distilling as a teenager? What's the difference in distilling alcohol vs ethanol? Why would a client choose pot vs column? How do you gauge consumer demand and look at sales for calculating value? What does the pool of buyers look like? What is the threshold of a case volume to start the discussion? What's the value in the brand vs the equipment and production? Beyond physical assets, what other factors play into a valuation? How are barrels valued? What's the process for selling a business? Any value in having current distribution? What are roadblocks that often kill deals? Does it matter if case volume happens in the market or at the tasting room? If you can't afford Vendome, where do your point people? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 3m
20/06/2024

467 - From Gift Shop to GameDay: The Disrupted Journey of RD1 Bourbon with Barry Brinegar

I remember the first time I saw a bottle of WM Tarr. I didn't know much about it except that is was from a company in Lexington and there was well-known football coach supporting the brand. Fast forward a few months and that bottle disappeared from the shelves and was replaced with a new brand called RD1 and it specialized in finished bourbon whiskeys. To help share more of this story, we've invited Barry Brinegar on the show. Barry is a Co-Founder and National Brand Ambassador and gives us the scoop on how their business plan that was only going to focus on gift shop sales got completely disrupted by covid and they had to look at new ways of doing business. We talk about their mission as a company and how they are taking a modern approach to whiskey to find new customers and how a that football coach I talked about landed them a premier placement on ESPN's college football gameday coverage. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about Maker's Mark and the proof change. How did you get started in the whiskey industry? How did you get connected with Mark Stoops? Why release WM Tarr? How did you adapt when covid shut down your business plan? What is the goal of how you are trying to be different? Did your cutover happen overnight and was the plan to switch over already in place? Why go with a modern brand vs traditional? How did you land on your core four products? How involved is Mark Stoops with the brand? Why have so much transparency when it comes to the wood finishing process? Why did you use amburana? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 2m
13/06/2024

466 - What's The Impact Of Stave Seasoning and Char? with Andrew Wiehebrink of Independent Stave Company

The barrel is where the magic happens and it takes years for your whiskey to achieve it's optimal flavor. Most of us are familiar with the standard american white oak barrel with a char 4. Yet, there are hundreds, if not, thousands of combinations that go into creating a barrel from the wood species, stave seasoning, char, toasting and how it ages based on location in a geography or a floor in a warehouse. There's one guy that does all this research and that's Andrew Wiehebrink from Independent Stave. This is his third time on the show and this time he brings different aging experiments for us to taste through. We taste the same whiskey from different levels of a warehouse and even the same american single malt aged in texas and scotland. We also dive into the state of the barrel shortage, our shared distain of amburana, the shift to char 1, and what new innovations are coming from the barrel and oak alternative market. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about will today's bottles be a new dusty. Talk about what stave seasoning does for the whiskey Why does Kentucky have more extraction than Texas? What does elevation from levels on a warehouse do to the aging process? How often do you revisit experiments? Does the mashbill make a difference to your experiments? Would American Single Malt make more sense to use new vs used barrels? What did the location differences for American Single Malt experiments make? Has the barrel shortage been resolved? Do you research the human element and what consumers are looking for in taste? What do you think of Amburana and exotic wood species? How are you smoking barrels? Why is Char 1 creating a darker whiskey and are there diminishing returns? Does pot vs column still play a role? Where are oak alternatives heading? How do you design a barrel correctly for double oaking? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 13m
07/06/2024

TWiB: New Bourbon Auction Record Has Been Set, Chicken Cock's New Home Called Circa 1856, Green River Launches Full Proof

It's This Week in Bourbon for June 7th 2024. A new record for the highest price bourbon bottle ever sold at auction, Chicken Cock Whiskey has announced the grand opening of its brand home, Circa 1856, and Green River Launches Full Proof Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey.Show Notes: Breaking Bourbon turns 10 Camp Runamok for 2024 H.K. Young Bourbon Co launch Peg Leg Porker Spirits blending and bottling facility Ross and Squibb Distillery announced enhancements to their barrel program Tennessee Alcoholic Beverage Commission (TABC) fines 5 retailers for illegal shipping Diageo vs W.J. Deutsch & Sons is over Chicken Cock Whiskey has announced Circa 1856 RECORD BREAKING SALE Curry’s Gentleman’s Cut is releasing a 15-year-old straight bourbon whiskey branded Player Exclusive Heaven Hill B524 of Elijah Craig and Larceny Knob Creek 10 Year Old Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey Bear Fight Kentucky Reserve Frank August partners with Jane Bowie and Denny Potter Rebel 10-Year Single Barrel Bourbon Buckner’s 17 Lost Lantern is release nine whiskies Barrell Bourbon Batch 036 FEW Smashing Pumpkins Bourbon Green River Full Proof Kentucky Straight Bourbon @breakingbourbon @camp_runamok @h.@k.@youngbourbonco @peglegporker @rossandsquibb @chickencockwhiskey @unicorn_auction @stephencurry30 @heavenhillbrands @elijahcraig @larcenybourbon @knobcreek @bearfightwhiskey @thefrankaugust @rebelbourbon @augustakydistillery @lostlanternwhiskey @barrellbourbon @fewspirits @smashingpumpkins @greenriverdistillingco Support this podcast on Patreon
55m
06/06/2024

465 - Crafting An Authentic Celebrity Whiskey with Ari Sussman of Whiskey JYPSI

Most of us scoff at celebrity whiskey because let's be honest, most celebrities don't care as much about the product as they do sales. But on a past whiskey quickie we reviewed Whiskey JYPSI and that one changed our mind. It wasn't until we started diving into it that we discovered Ari Sussman. He's a whiskey maker for many brands like Whiskey JYPSI, Three Chord, and Mammoth Distilling, but his history with spirits will fascinate you. He's truly a student of the art where he spent years overseas bartending, discovered vintage cocktail books, and was an integral part of the first ever university distilling program at Michigan State. We talk to Ari about his past and then dive into the Whiskey JYPSI brand and how Eric Church and himself are trying to change the face of celebrity booze. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about finding better bourbon in the Netherlands. How did you get to this point in your career? What old school cocktails and liqueurs fascinated you? Were you trying to use the University of Michigan distilling program to innovate new things? Can you talk about blending 50ml bottles? What brands did you help build? Why would a company want to ghost blend? How did you get hooked up with Whiskey JYPSI? Why is this celebrity brand different than others? How have you added in Canadian whiskey and light whiskey into a blend? What do you feel is more innovative in world whiskey that's not happening in American whiskey? Why are you trying to be different in this celebrity world? Why JYPSI? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 15m
31/05/2024

Behind The Pursuit: Will People Get Tired of Kentucky Bourbon?

Subscribe to Behind The Pursuit: From Bourbon to Brand Will consumers become tired of Kentucky bourbon? With the rise of non-Kentucky brands gaining recognition for their quality whiskey, Kentucky bourbon still holds a strong position in the market due to its long-established reputation and consumer perception of safety and acceptance.  While Kentucky will likely continue to hold the cache of consumer preferences, today we debate whether consumers will move past the big six Kentucky brands, or Kentucky in general, and latch on or explore other options. We'd love to hear from you on this! We hit on: Non-Kentucky brands like Ben Holladay, JT Meleck, Still Austin and Frey Ranch gaining recognition for their quality whiskey. Kentucky bourbon still holds a strong position in the market due to its long-established reputation and consumer perception of safety and acceptance Consumers may be hesitant to move past the big six Kentucky brands due to familiarity and brand recognition The cache of Kentucky will likely continue due to marketing and consumer preferences Are there Kentucky Bourbons being made that are still riding the 'Kentucky Badge of Honor' that aren't very good? As a blender, why does Kentucky matter as a point of inclusion if that isn’t a focus of the product (or even on the label)? and much more. Be sure to visit pursuitspirits.com and click on Visit Us to book a tasting or barrel selection experience. For questions or topic requests on upcoming episodes, email us at [email protected].
39m
23/05/2024

463 - Expanding Whiskey Riot Festivals to a City Near You with Bobby Finan

Many of us make pivots in our career. I had my own where I had really was focused on networking in tech early on but then after I did my first presentation to a room of 500 people, I discovered I really liked it and found a new role in technical marketing. Our guest has a similar story where he wanted to get into distilling, made a successful gin brand then tried to build a whiskey brand, but realized how hard it was and thought, how can I get more people to try our products? And that's how Whiskey Riot was born. Bobby Finan is the Founder and Organizer of Whiskey Riot Festivals across the country and we get into his past of getting into the distilling business and how he took on personal debt to hold his position at his first company and launch Whiskey Riot simultaneously. Now Whiskey Riot is expanding to more cities so if you're looking for a new event to attend, put this one on your list. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about distilleries creating music halls. Before there was a festival, you had your own brand and forged your way into spirits early on. When you wanted to start a distillery did you have a business plan? What was it about your Tommy Rotter gin that really took off? Why didn't your whiskey business ever take off? Did you think you could make people come to you instead of going out to stores? How were you funding Whiskey Riot? What was your return on investment for a typical event? How do you evaluate a city for a new festival? Why would a legacy brand vs a new brand want to go to whiskey fest? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 7m
16/05/2024

462 - The Unheralded Life of a Dad with Jim Gaffigan of Fathertime Bourbon

If you can recall your childhood, you probably remember your Dad being there but you may never have appreciated the life lessons you were taught until you got much older. And when you have kids, maybe that's the reason you start drinking bourbon. Both of these are reasons our guest today decided to call his brand Fathertime Bourbon. Jim Gaffigan needs no introduction because we've all laughed at his jokes throughout the years. Family life is a facet of his standup, and food obviously, but Jim loves to say the things we're all thinking and it's what has made him so successful in his comedic career. Jim Gaffigan joins the show to talk about how he made the switch from beer to bourbon and what drew him in to becoming a bourbon connoisseur or as he likes to call it, a professional alcoholic. From there we dive into his new brand of Fathertime Bourbon and what it meant to incorporate generations of his family and his comedic focus into the story and design. Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about proofing whiskey and adding water at home. Can you recall a good college story with Stu Pollard? What made you want to go down the path of being a professional alcoholic? Did you find any correlation between picking barrels and your comedic routines? Did you have the natural progression from mixing to neat? Did you try and buy the rarest stuff right away or look for everyday items? How is bourbon perceived in your circles? Were there anything obvious or strange about bourbon that you discovered? Are you finding yourself traveling to whiskey bars now? How involved were you with the bottle design? What tips do you have for signing bottles and not letting your hands get tired? How did you script the social media launch for the brand? What easter eggs did you hide in the label? Is there a statement or impact you want to make with this brand? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 8m
09/05/2024

461 - A Famous Name In Bourbon Takes on Rum with Turner Wathen of Rolling Fork

We've had the very cool opportunity to have lots of famous names on this show, and today we get to hear the story of another brand that has been in bourbon for a very long time. In fact, in this episode you get a chance to hear from someone who's family once owned the Old Grandad label. Turner Wathen has a deep family lineage rooted in bourbon, and that originally piqued my interest because I used to own a bottle of Wathen's bourbon. Turner dives deep into his family history and how when he wanted to get into the whiskey business, he couldn't even use his family name. Turner shares his wild decision in 2014 by analyzing the whiskey market and feeling there is too much saturation so he dove into rum. But not just any rum, but he set himself on a mission to become the upmost recognizable independent bottler of amazing, high age stated rum, that is now Rolling Fork Spirits Show Notes: Above the Char with Fred Minnick (@fredminnick) talks about NDPs and bottled in bond. Can you give a background into how you found out your name was famous in bourbon? At what point did you decide to revive the family legacy? Are you still balancing your day job with all this? When did you decide that bourbon was crowded and looked at other spirits? Why is sorghum a bad grain to use? How important is it to find rum with no additives and why is that important? Was Fortuitous Union a mistake or the on purpose? Why was there a legal battle for Fortuitous Union? How much of an educational hurdle did you have to overcome? When did you switch from the Fortuitous Union brand back to a rum focus? Any reason why you haven't worked with any American rum producers? What is going on with all the rum taxes? Are we looking at the rare days of rum that would be equivalent to Van Winkle or early Jeffersons? Support this podcast on Patreon
1h 11m