Welcome back to Tramps, Ghosts, and Ballerinas.This is the season one finale of our show.We will be covering The Lake House by Sarah Beth Durst and then we'll be taking a small break and we will be back in August or September.
Look for a mid-break episode where Chris and I cover The Shining book and movie.If you're a horror fan, tune in for that.If you're not, listen anyway. And that's all I have to say.Mavis, what do you think?Excellent.
I didn't want to pick up the wind on that.Well, now that you shut it, because it didn't sound loud, but now that you shut it.
Yeah.You can hear the difference.Yeah.Yeah.
So good thing I did then.There you go, bud.Now just shut up and lay down.Please.Okay.
Which one are we doing first?
Welcome back to Tramps, Ghosts, and Ballerinas.My name is Ellen.I'm Ellen.
I'm Mariah. that's it that's all that's it hi hi hey do we have fan mail or do we want to do that yes hang on where's the cellular device so Catherine has answered some of our questions from episodes that we've posted mm-hmm
She commented on the Wind in the Willows.She said, another great episode, although that book did seem a tad on the boring side.Crazy how many books you ladies have done that I have never read or heard of.
And then she said, I listen via Apple Podcast.
Katherine, drop us a rate and review.
There we go.Amanda rated and reviewed.She did.She did.Should we read that?Sure.Sure.
Why not?Also, just for anybody listening, we've charted now for the first time ever, ever charted, and in Fiji.We're like number 36 for comedy podcasts in Fiji.
No.Well, whoever you are in Fiji.Thank you.
Thank you.So that was a fun little email I got.
Yeah. So Amanda rated us, and she titled it number one fan, which you are.
Tied with Catherine.Tied with Catherine.She said, this is my favorite weekly podcast.I look forward to hearing what the ladies have in store each episode.
I know there will always be lots of laughs and great discussions about life and, of course, books.Thank you for making me smile every week.
We have 13 ratings and we have a 5.0 out of 5.
Hell yeah.Look at us go.Amanda, like, I don't know, this week might be a little bit of a, you know, different vibe to it because we celebrated Mariah's birthday a month late last night.So we're all a little tired.
I didn't go to sleep last night till 1230.
Shut up.I left you at 930.
My alarm for my medication went off.
Oh, that's right.It did.Yeah, my alarm for my bedtime went off too.
So it was like 10, 10 30, I think.Oh my God.You have an alarm for your bedtime.
I think it's through the Apple health app that I must've just set like a 10 o'clock timeframe.
Can you put your legs together so Teddy can cross like a bridge?
Well, you can nudge him.That's okay.Oh, just a big effort.That was.
Yeah.Um, yeah.So, um, let's see.Um, we'll maybe answer these on our, uh, fishbowl fun question.Cause answer, uh, she had answered Catherine answered those.And then, um, uh, which one was this?
I can't remember our episode that we talked about what actress would play us in a movie.Was that a fishbowl?
OK, so we'll answer Amanda's questions on that one then, too.OK.But we did send Amanda a gift in the mail that she received.And she responded that, thank you so much for the adorable baby gifts.
We can wear the onesie and bring the tote bag with us to the library this summer.Thank you all.
and i had responded i was like you are more than welcome and we cannot wait to see nora in her onesie representing her mom's new favorite podcast yeah that'll be a fun picture yeah yeah so she wants to post it on instagram and tag us yeah that'd be great at trance ghost ballerinas i won't be mad i won't be mad i won't be mad either so so what book are we doing first well i feel like let's do the better of the two so the lake house the lake house not pale phoenix yeah but
I didn't hate Pale Phoenix either deeply.
But I do think the Lake House was the better of the two.Yes.
So we'll do the Lake House first this episode and then a couple weeks you can listen to Pale Phoenix.
Okay.So I have some background.
I don't have, okay, well.
on let me uh let me open my phone the lake house by sarah beth durst yep so so i have the lake house by sarah beth durst it's the start of my note nice uh published in 2023 i was gonna do some pop pop pop culture but it was last year like come on we know yeah we know what happened last year we all know and it doesn't matter and then i just have a um kind of overview of the book
I have more for Pale Phoenix, because that was 1994, so there's more stuff to talk about.For the lake house, this was the little summary. Claire's grown up, triple checking locks, counting her steps, second guessing every decision.
It's just how, let's see, it's just how she's wired.Her worst case scenarios never actually come true until she arrives at an off the grid summer camp to find a blackened, burned husk instead of a lodge and no survivors.
Except for her and her two other late, and the two other late arrivals.Now hang on, I'll cut it to make it sound like I know how to read. Uh, let's see.
To find a blackened, burned husk instead of a lodge and no survivors except her and two other late arrivals, Reva and Mariana.When the three girls find a dead body in the woods, they realize none of this is an accident.
Someone, something, is hunting them.Something that hides in the shadows.Something that refuses to let them leave.Dun dun dun.Dun dun dun.So that's what I have for that book.
Okay.What do you got for the author?Did you have anything for the author?
Yes, I did.I didn't put it in the note, but I left up a thing for it.Yes, I did.Because I was like, oh my god, did I not do that?Yes, I did do that.OK.Oh, just the dementia.The dementia.
So Sarah Beth Durst, born May 23, 1974, is an American author of fantasy. She, let's see, she won her, I think, first award in 2016 with the novel The Queen of Blood, which makes me, that sounds like something I want to read.Interesting.
Won a 2017 Alex Award from the American Library Association.Durst rates for adults, young adults, and middle grade level readers.She is 49 years old, she lives in Massachusetts, or she's from Massachusetts, and she went to Princeton University.
So fancy. So I'm just going to name off some of her books really quickly because then if we need inspiration for other episodes.Then we got it logged.Yes.
She has a series Queens of Renethia, so the Queen of Blood, the Reluctant Queen, the Queen of Sorrow, and the Deepest Blue, which I would like to read all of those.Okay.Then she has The Lost, Race of the Sands, and The Bone Maker.Oh.
And then for young adult she has ice, enchanted ivy, drink, slay, love, vessel, conjured, chasing power, and fire, and heist.And then she's got the lake house.And then some other like picture books and short stories and blah blah blah blah blah.
It would be interesting to read Like, would you consider the lake house a young adult?
Yeah, I would.Yeah, I would say so.
What did we look up?12 plus was the age level for the book.And then for her personal life, she lives with her husband and two children and a cat named Gwen in New York.Gwen.Gwen.That's a pretty name for a cat.
It's a very sophisticated name for a cat.
Yes.You want to share with the viewers that you
Yeah, I gave her a middle name.Her middle name is Raclette.
So it's Theodore Francis, Blanche Raclette, Oswald Percival, and Mavis Margot.
When you sent that text message out, I don't know if I ever truly realized that Ozzy's real name is Oswald.
Well, I think Chris, his name, it's just Ozzy, like Ozzy Osbourne.Cause that was the one name that he got to pick of all four.But I think his name should just be Oswald.
Well, Ozzy's like the nickname.
Ozzy's the nickname, like Theodore and then Teddy.Yeah, exactly.Yeah.So that's what I got on Sarah, Beth, Durston, and Lycos.
Done.One day when I was mad at Captain, I just, I was yelling at him on Lyco.I went, Captain Arnold! And Arnold is my dad's name, which I don't know, it literally just fell out of my mouth.So now it happens all the time.
Does he, when he gets his full name, does he know he's in trouble?No.
He, well, if he does, he doesn't give two shits. ever if he's in trouble or not in trouble.He just doesn't care.He'll squint his eyes like you're gonna whap him.He'll just squint his eyes and put his ears back and just keep doing what he's doing.
Mostly licking the counter.Andy's like, he's like, I'm just gonna keep doing it.
Because he gets a little tap on the nose. Yeah.Yeah.
He doesn't care.Like you don't beat him.
Just a tap on the nose.Just a tap on the nose.No, he does not get beaten in any way.
No, I know.But you know, I figured the listeners would probably be like, oh, I'm not a beater.
Whap him.Whap him.Although he whaps me all the time.Yeah. Yeah, I can't yell at Teddy because it hurts his feelings.
The context when you said that, I was like, Andy waps you?
Yes, Andy waps me.He waps me all the time.All the time.I just squint my eyes and put the mirror down and just take it.
It's like that moment where we had to, what were we talking about, Dave, in that one episode?We had to clarify.
One of the... You're looking at me like I should know, but I don't.
Yeah, one of your animals had like, um... No, uh... Oh, UTI.UTI.That's what it was.Now we have to clarify that it wasn't Dave.Dave doesn't have a UTI.Because he was also brought up in the same conversation.
As far as we know.Yeah.He could have a UTI.He could have, but we don't... We don't know.
He didn't share.That just made me laugh.Yeah.I thought it in my head.Just Annie.
We're going to tap the nose.
With a little rolled up newspaper.
Yes, he whaps me in the nose all the time. No.Anyway.He could not.So this book was the first one that I listened to.
And this was my pick.Yep.And I picked it just I went on Audible and I looked up like mystery books in the young adult section.Yeah, it's a good cover.
I was gonna say, did you know what the cover looked like?
Yeah, it did have that cover on my, yeah.
It's fantastic.It's a Green, basically a green cover with, are we gonna say that's a... I assume Claire, cause she's like the main character.
That's probably Claire's face, but where her eyes are at, it's like looking into her mind and it's of like a silhouette of a man.
Yeah, so like the woods, or the island they were on.I picked it just based off of the name, and I sampled it, and I listened to the narrator, and I thought, good enough.And that was my pick.I didn't read anything about it.
You had no idea what it was about.Nothing. It was one of the top-rated books that was on there.And I went through a list and I thought, no, that doesn't sound any... Oh, that has a nice cover and a nice title and the sample.
And I was like, yeah, sure.So I was really worried that it was going to be terrible.You nailed it.A stinker.Yeah, I thought it was going to be a stinker.I was really worried.You nailed it.Thank you.And I started... just dumb luck.
And I started listening to it, I think before Pale Phoenix.I mean, we started that one first and I was just like, and I had a hard time getting into it first.And then I went and listened to Pale Phoenix, that sucked.
And then I went to this one and I was like, I have to listen to it.And then it got really good.It got so good.After the first like couple chapters, then I was in it.
Yeah, it was.Yeah.What was your experience like listening to it?Well, I actually, it was really good. because the narrator really did a great job.I mean I think if I would have had a snooze fest as a reader I wouldn't have appreciated it.
Was it the author that narrated?
I was just pulling up to see who the narrator was.
I did look that up, and I don't think it was.No, it was narrated by Carissa Vacker.Yeah.So she did a very good job.She did do a really good job.Here, we'll listen to a minute of it.
Give us a snippet.Mariana gestured in the direction of the house.If it's by the shore, someone might see it, Claire said.Or they'll just think we're toasting s'mores, Mariana said.
I really think we should go back to the house and wait for rescue there. That totally is the voice I thought of Mariana in my head.
Yeah.I liked how she, she didn't do boy voices.She didn't do the boy voice very well for Jack, but like, whatever, it's fine.
But I like how she was doing different voices for the different girls, but it wasn't like, it didn't seem over, over or like difficult, you know, it was just like, no, sounded like her, but I don't know.It was very good.I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see if I remember details, because right now I'm listening to The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman, which we've already done.
For those of you who have listened before, or if this is your first episode, go back to that one, because that's a great, great book. because the Lake House was so good for me to listen to, I, I don't know, I just wanted to try another one.
And then Neil himself narrates it and it is so good.He, how he does it.Well, his voice, he has a very good voice.Yeah.And how he does just some different news, just slightly different nuances, like the inflections.Yeah.Yeah.And, um, so.Yeah.
Do you see why I enjoy listening though?
Yeah, I had to probably, I was really careful about what I was doing during that time.So mostly I listen when I drive. And I think one morning I listened while I was getting ready, and that didn't work out very well.Interesting.
Because when I'm getting ready for work, I'm kind of starting to think about my day.Oh, sure.And stuff like that.I do not.
At all.Yeah. Because I can listen doing anything.I can listen cleaning the house, doing dishes, doing laundry, getting ready for work, crocheting, outside with the animals.So I can listen doing anything, but that's just, I think, the ADD.
The ADD in me.So I'm happy you were able to figure out what things worked so that you could listen and enjoy it.
listen in the car.Yeah, that's a good.See, driving is the one time I don't really want to, although for, so usually I don't want to listen to books while I'm driving because it's not enough for me.
So I can maybe do a podcast depending on the podcast or just music, but this is one that I was so into the book that I was like leaving work and like queuing it up to listen on the way home because I was so excited to listen to it.
So there's been a couple books.I think there was a couple Harry Potter books. And then this one where I was like, but I just, I got to listen to it right this second.
So I would listen in the car.Yeah.
Otherwise it's just, I can't, it's not quite enough excitement for me.
Too bad your drive isn't a little bit longer into work.
You know, it's like 10 minutes.And if you go to the store or, you know, run errands, you know, you can listen to it then.
yeah so yeah um but you enjoyed listening to it i did yep i did indeed so good i'm glad enough that you're listening to another book that's good is it a much different listening to a book that you've read before yes okay um as far as like well me
I'm just like, there was something that was in there and that I had forgotten.Or maybe I don't read all the words.Because it was like, I'm like, wait a second, hold on.Because when you read you do. It's different, of course.
And when you're listening, you have to listen to all the words.But when you're reading, you don't necessarily.
You can skip right over.You can try and pronounce it in your head, but you know it was wrong, but you can still move on.
Keep going.It all rhymed.Should make that a t-shirt.Can't read the word?Just skip and move on.I don't even remember what you said. the dementia yeah yeah so um do you have some notes mariah i have three notes um
I guess my first note is basically just to remind me how it started.So I just said, the book starts off with a tragedy.The lake house burnt down to the ground and only the three girls are around to bear witness.What a great way to start a book.
Should we give a very brief play-by-play?
So I'll again, I'll try Ellen.We'll jump in.Jump in to correct you.
Cause usually this is what's fun is like, if I say, Hey Ellen, will you do a play by play?And you're like, I don't want to do that.And then I started and then you're like, please shut up.I'll do it.Let me do it correctly.
Let me, let me do it in the correct way.So starts off with them all on a boat.Go into this Island, Jack's driving and you have Rayva, Mariana and Claire. Claire's the main.Three strangers.Three strangers.They don't know each other.
All their parents went to this lake house and then sent them all there.They get to the beach or the dock or whatever, drop them all off, and Jake's like, see you in August, see you later, and zooms off.
So then the girls pack it up and hike up to the cabin that's now burnt to the ground.Just a husk. gone, and then they turn around, run back down to see if they can flag down Jack to come back and get them.He's too far gone.
They're like, shit, what do we do?
Like, what the hell happened?How are we going to survive?
And then it's kind of like the movie Cast Away, where they figure out how to eat, and live, and drink, and whatever, and gather their supplies, and whatever.And then they find a dead body in the woods that they assume is the camp
caretaker caretaker i was gonna say counselor yeah director that's what that's how they said a camp director and then they are claire is planning out you know how to get back and all this stuff well because then they're like oh if we you know walk to the side hike around we'll get to where there's people or where there's
But that's going to be a long journey.
We need food.And then when they found the dead body, they're like, oh, somebody's somebody killed this woman.
So they're still out there.They could still be on the island.Right.So then they, you know, figure shit out.And this is where I've now forgotten what else happens.Ellen.
So while they were going to. look for tools or supplies or anything.Then she finds the hole in the hatch in the ground.
So then they all climb down there.Because it starts raining and then she's like oh we can go to the hatch because it's oh because they climb down there first and they see there's a cage yeah that for either large animals or a person.
And then they are like, look at this, and they crawl out.And then they're doing whatever, and then it starts raining.And she's like, we can go down in the hole and be dry.
Because hypothermia could set in.Right.
So they drop down the hole.They leave the door open.Yep.And then somebody shuts it.Somebody shuts it.So they freak out, and then they find a hole, and they climb through the opposite way.
Yep, they got to get out.
When they got out, then- That's when there was somebody, a crazy man.
Oh, that's right, the crazy man showed up and was like, you, whatever.
And then somebody shot at him.
Shot at him, and then they all run.And then, is this where Raven breaks her arm?No.
And then is this where Jack shows up?
No, not yet.So they try and run away and hide, because there's- Two crazy men now.Two crazy men, but one's dead.
We don't find that out yet.
True, but he was shot.He was shot at, but we don't know.But the girls just run to get as far away as possible and then
That's when they start walking around.Oh, okay.To try to make it on the other side.
They walked the shore of the river.
Beach, ocean.Yeah, they walked the shore to try to get around the island.
They walked down the river ravine so that their footprints wouldn't be seen.They ended up at the lake and then they started walking around the lake.Turns out it was an island.
Because they just walked a full circle.And it's just a circle.And they were freaking out.Why were they not able to tell that it was an island?A circle.That they were just going in a circle.
And then Jack comes back, because he wanted to pretend.Oh, Mariana.
He wanted to see Mariana, because she was flirting with him.And then he's in the woods talking to himself.And Claire comes upon it.And she's like, this is fishy.And then turns out he was talking to somebody, because he has a satellite phone.
But when he showed up, he was freaking out, because he's like, what do you mean it's burnt down to the ground?Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
How are we going to survive here?
And then he left the keys in the boat.And then the man who shot at the other crazy man stole the boat. Zoomed off.Who turned out to be Jack's dad.
Turned out to be Jack's dad, and then they were on the phone, and then they were, the girls ganged up on him to steal his phone, and he was talking to his dad, and then the dad shot himself, and um... And then it turns out that the crazy man has actually been possessed by an evil spirit.
So back, so then the whole thing is this. Back in the day.So the parents of the girls had gone to this camp way back when.And Jack's dad.And Jack's dad.And then this crazy person.Turns out.And the crazy person had gotten left behind.
Well, they sacrificed him to the thing.Yeah, they did.They sacrificed him to this evil spirit.Yeah, this monster thing. And then they all forgot about them, because the island makes you forget once you leave.
And so none of their parents were just, they were all talking this island up, or this camp up like it was hot shit.And then forgot that they had lost one of their friends, or sacrificed one of their friends.
And then so the- And the girls are wondering, how could our parents send us to a camp that is no longer a camp?
Right.And then the crazy guy, wants to sacrifice one of them so he can be done.So he can die.So he can die.So you start, so somehow they clonk Jack over the head with something.So he's out.He, he went unconscious.
Cause then the guy, no, the girl didn't.
Somebody did.He did must've.And then he was dragging Jack off and then they were trying to get his phone and then, you know, whatever.Yep.And then the crazy person tells them all the background stuff we need to know.
Eventually, somewhere in there, they do fall, like it's raining, and they fall down a ravine or a cliff.And that's how Rayva breaks her arm.And Claire knocks herself out.Rayva breaks her arm.Mariana's just dizzy, whatever.
And then they shove the crazy person down a hole.Back in the hole.
And then Claire traps them in there. Claire sacrifices herself.
And then they blow the hole up with the boat engine that washed ashore.And then he dies, but he's not dead because he's possessed by the island.So then he comes chasing after him like a zombie.
No, once they put him down the hole, because he Once they put him down the hole and blow him up, isn't that the end of it?Oh, that is the end of it.
Yeah, at one point they did something... that left him like.
I think they pushed him off something.
They pushed him off a cliff or something.
They pushed him off something and then he died, but then he crawled back up.And they were like, what the fuck?
Like, how are you still alive?
Yeah, running from him.And then they.
There's no way that you can be alive right now.
Right.And then they push him down the hole, blow it up.And then a ranger comes and rescues him.And they go back to the hospital.And then they kind of forget that Jack was there.They forgot who that was.Yeah, they forgot that there was another.
Or how they even got to the island.And they start forgetting all the things.And then somehow they figure it out.And then they make the ranger drive them back to the island.
found jack found jack get jack and then zip off and then right into the sunset basically the end and they all became best friends best fans yeah so but essentially the book was about young women supporting each other young women supporting young women and being smart and not being assholes to each other underestimated young women surviving with each other the main character claire
full of anxiety and she gave a little bit of a background when you know when she was at school she was a loner she didn't have friends and she has panic attacks yeah and so people are like get your shit together at home and then when she has panic attacks there all the girls the two girls are like
Are you okay?Like just worried about her?
Yeah.Like it's fine.We're right here.
And they trust her and listen to her because she actually knows what to do because she always panics about the worst case scenario.So she actually thinks about that.
And then Marianna, I think it seems like the, you know, the popular pretty girl, but then turns out she's actually super fucking smart and can work with engines and can do all these different things.And then, you know, so.
And Rave is like a fighter.
So yeah, that's the book.Yeah, so it's just women, you know, being good with women.
Girls, girls.Something just popped in my head.So after reading this book, what is a survival guide tip that you learned from reading this book?
Water is the most important.Water, food.
That you can't just drink water from a lake.You have to boil it.
Yeah, I didn't know that, actually.
I probably knew it, but probably, I don't know.Like, why would I need to know that, you know?It's not anything I need to know.No.But, no.Because again, if it comes to like apocalypse times, I'm out.I'm not.Absolutely not.
Just take me.Just take me.I will sacrifice myself.Just take me.
Yeah, I'm not living through an apocalypse.
Yeah.No.I gotta boil water?Uh-uh.
Yeah.No, thank you.I'm not a survivor. Or survivalist or, you know, but, but yeah, you know, cause you can survive however many, like a week without food, but you can only survive what, like three days without water.
So you got to get some water, figure out your water situation first, I would assume.Water, shelter, then food.Although I probably would have known that regardless.Seems like, seems like a common sense.
You know?It was a really good blend of.
all three characters, like Claire, is like, okay, we need water, we need, like, she was the realist in the situation, and then the other girls were just there for support and, like, humor and to... Making her ideas come to a reality.Yes.
Or helping them come to a reality. because she'd come up with the idea and she's like, no, that's dumb.And they're like, no, that's not dumb.Well, we can do this.Well, I can go do this.We can, you know, together we can do this.
So they like took her idea and then made it workable.
I thought the author did a great job when Claire suspected Jack of not being truthful, that I actually fell for Mariana being angry with Claire, saying she's jealous or whatnot.I had no idea that they were playing him.
So I thought that was a good twist.
I do like how when they, cause when they brought the boy back and I was like, ugh, of course, gotta bring the boy back to, you know, like save the day.
And then when he like was freaking out and Marianna was like, listen, we've been here for this long.This is what we got to do.Oh yeah.Suck it up.We're going to go do this.Like just, he's useless essentially.100% relying on three girls to. Right.
And then when it's like, oh, I like this, you know, the boy likes this girl and this girl, you know, whatever.And I was like, oh God, we're going to have that.And then they were just like, shut that down.Steal his phone, like f**k him.
So I appreciate that they didn't do like the typical tropes that you would have with a boy and like a love triangle crap.I was like, no.It's 2023.We don't need any love triangles. Unless it was with the three girls.Well, that would've been fine.
That would've been interesting.I think that would've been a very different book.Yeah, sure, whatever.What other notes you got?
Um, I just said here, Claire claims she's faking her bravery.It's the complete opposite.She's the definition of brave, whether or not you feel like it's a front.She's using her fears to her advantage, which we kind of talked about.
And then when they started talking about the crazy man or the, the child that was left behind Arthur, um, before I had read that the guy was Arthur, I had put like, um, is that the infamous Arthur Diddy actually not die and was just left.
How sad, though.I mean... Poor guy, like, he just did not... What a terrible life.Right.You know?
God, just to get sacrificed?
Get left behind, sacrificed, live on this island, blah blah blah, and then just die.Which, I mean, he wanted to die, so, like, you're, you know... Are you serious?Right now?
You wouldn't go down my legs.
You can make it. You can make it!Go on!Go on!Good boy!So much work.
Because you couldn't lay down on the spot you were at.
Those were all my notes.Yeah, I didn't have any notes for this one.
I thoroughly enjoyed this book.I didn't write notes for either book.I wrote notes for Pale Fiend because I didn't write anything for this one.I think I was just enjoying it.
It was a really good book.
It was a really good book.Yep.This would be a fun one, like, if you have, like, a younger daughter, like, 13, 14, 15, whatever, to, like, read with them.Yeah.
Like, you read it, I'll read it, and then you can talk about it, because it's just a good book, or listen to it.
That would be a fun book to read with your kid.
Yeah.It's also a great book, like, in high school, like a survival guide.
Like, be nice to the kids. Like, I mean, Claire's friends.Terrible.Terrible.Not friends.No.Like just because she has a panic attack and the ambulance has to come and, and she, and then they're like, Oh, peace out.
Yeah.I guess I would have thought that, and I'm, you know, I don't have children and I'm older.I'm not in school.I would have thought 2023, cause it was set in present time.Right.So 22, 23 would have thought that, you know, kids would be more,
Yeah.Willing to help and comfort.
I guess I just would have thought, well, you know, cause mental health is more talk, it's talked about more, you know, all these things are just terrible anyway.
They just use different words.I guess.I guess I just would have thought they kids would be better.
I had hoped that they would be better than, than we were, than you were, than the past, you know.
We hoped you'd be better.
It's all the same.You just use different, they just say different words to describe the same thing.
They're just mean in a different way.Yeah.Yeah.Still mean, just different.Yep.
That's unfortunate.I'm not saying there's not good kids out there.
I think it's always been like that, to be honest.There's always going to be a bully.There's always going to be the kid that gets picked on.There's always going to be... somebody who's judged for whatever, whatever, whatever.Right.
So, yeah, I guess, but I mean, cause that's, unfortunately that's how people are.
It's like when people, somebody we know, will say, just things are falling apart in the world and everything is so much worse now than it was before.And it's like, no, everything has always been terrible.
We just have better access to information so we can see more of it.We can see more of the entire world faster. than just a news station.We have a variety of different ways we can get the information.So you just see more of it.
So it feels like it's worse than it was, but it's always been terrible.And it will always be terrible. You know, as far as things happen.
There will be, there's always been, and there always will be terrible things that happen.Yeah, that's what I mean.
Like there will, there will always be terrible things that happen.
There's always tragedies.
There's always people being bad.
Nature, you know, tragedies.And there's always people, people have always been bad.You know, sure.There's probably
more of some things you know I think it can kind of up and down as far as like there can be this can be worse now but maybe this is better now whereas maybe maybe back back then this was worse and then this wasn't yeah you know it's like it can it can up and down before if somebody got sick it they were like
Okay, when we had the pandemic, yeah, and people were like, because most of us have never experienced a pandemic before.
But there's been this the Spanish flu, and there's been, you know, mumps and measles, all of those would kill somebody without a vaccine without a vaccine before.And so you know, all of these things have happened in history before.
It's just, what have we lived through?What have we not?And then if you look at like, you know, murder and this and that, whatever, and then they'll talk about it, it's just so much worse now.And it's like, okay, were they not the first people ever?
Now, I'm not a Bible person, but let's just say, if you are, the first two, the Cain and Abel, killed his brother.That was how many thousands of years ago?Right.And you're shocked that people are killing each other?Really? So I don't know.
Yeah, no, it's, it's just how every civilization has been.
Because people are there, they're not all, but there are terrible people and there always will be.
Yup.And there's people who get poisoned is a nice word to say with greed or power or, and that's always been, you know, it's like, so, so yeah, it.
I don't remember how we got on this topic.
how kids are oh yeah kids in her in her school yeah yeah but you know, I had this conversation, like, I wish things would go back to the way they used to be.And I'm like, well, like when?Like when women couldn't vote?
Or like when you had to get your father or your husband's permission to get a bank account in your own name?Where you didn't have your own credit card?When you had none of the options available to do things?
When you had to have people who were a different color in a different spot.You couldn't, like, just live.Right.
You know what I mean?You couldn't drink out of the same water fountain.
Like, that's what we want to go back to?
That they want things to go back to when times were good?Yeah.Yeah.And then I bring up those examples, because by and large, it's women have said that to me.
Yeah.It's like, and, you know, the whole abortion thing is now some categories of our society are like, that's so great.All it is, is taking us down.
And Andy just read to me that some, I'm going to forget the state and all the things, it wasn't where they changed the legal... Time frame. time to get married, age to get married is to 18.
And some guys, some, one of their senators or somebody said that, um, they, it should, should have remained 16 because they, you know, had.
you know, the freedom to get married at that age, or if, you know, a girl was pregnant, then she, you know, you're going to force her to wait two more years.No, it's just, it was such
I'm going to get it all wrong, but it was, um, he goes, he goes, well, what a tool this guy is.I go, yeah.I go, but that's pushing women back down.It's all of this abortion rights.Um, all of those things are all about.
going going back to their they're using it as, you know, going back to the 50s when it was blah, blah, blah.And it's like, no, it wasn't great for like, we couldn't even vote.
It wasn't good for women.It wasn't good for people of color.It wasn't good for anybody.
men white men basically yeah and i don't want to be the person who's like old white men yeah but you can't say i want to go back to the 50s because it was only good for a very small select group of people i mean and those times were better than other times well and they were like not saying there was not good things in those times sure because of course there was sure what
you know and then they'll go oh no I mean like it because it was a simpler way of life and you could walk down the street and not be afraid like no as a woman you're always walking down the street afraid all the time.
Also it just wasn't as we weren't maybe people weren't as aware but it was still just as dangerous for women it's always been just as dangerous for women from the beginning of time.Goes back to the bear in the woods.Right.
Yeah, I mean, because people weren't locking their doors back then doesn't mean people weren't getting murdered.Doesn't mean women weren't getting assaulted.Doesn't mean, you know.
Yeah, there's a, I mean, and first of all, why didn't you lock your doors back then?Right, because they just didn't, yeah. There were people getting, people got murdered all the time.
Right, well and then you look at to like the 70s, all the heights of all the serial killers that were out around that time.
When it was free love and the sexual revolution.
Right, and they left their door unlocked still in the 70s and you know people are getting murdered left right and center.Yeah.In California.Do you know how many serial killers were in California active at that time?
Do you know how many times I check my door to make sure?Oh, same.I actually locked it.Same.Half a dozen times.
Yeah, I lock it, and then I even lock it just if I'm here in the daytime.
Oh, 100%.I don't leave it unlocked.Oh, no, I don't.If you left today to go grocery shopping,
I literally thought that was a knock at the door.That scared me too.I was like, shit.So on cue.That was the food cabinet.Holy shit.Oh my god.I'm like, someone actually knocks at your door?Yeah, shit.
But so an incident happened in our town here last year, maybe a couple of years ago.I think it was last summer.Where somebody had their garage door open and the door Between the house in the garage.
I left it on open because they were kind of going back and forth or making dinner or whatever and some guy who was Challenged or in on drugs or whatever came into their house and wouldn't leave he was hallucinating he thought that there was His vehicle was back in their shed or whatever and she ended up just shoving him.
Yeah, I mean I mean and so Yes, I mean if I'm in right in the kitchen and I have the dog out and whatever... Even then, if the dog is out, one of the doors is open and one of them is.I still lock it in.He's like, why'd you lock this?
I'm like, well, because crazy people could come in.
Right, because in this neighborhood, you know, first time ever having a house,
I think I probably got too comfortable with, you know, it's a quiet neighborhood, you're right next door, so, oh, Teddy's outside, I'll leave the door unlocked, I'm gonna run down, put some laundry in, come back up, you know, oh, going in and out and whatever.
And then that happened, I was like, oh, God, like, what have I been doing?Like, come on, you listen to true crime, you know better than this.And so it was so, I felt so dumb and I was like, because I obviously,
lock it if we're all in here and I'm not going outside, door's locked.If I'm at night, door's locked.If I leave, door's locked.But, you know, having him out and going back and forth, I'd leave the door unlocked.
And now I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?Going down to the ladder so we can walk right in?Yeah.So now it's like, oh, I'm inside, door's locked.Yep.Yeah.Yeah.As the door's unlocked right now.Well, come and take us.
And we all thought someone was knocking.Oh my gosh.
It scared me half to death.
That door's always locked.
Okay, because it's not used.
I don't have keys for that door.
You don't have keys for it?
No, Ellen didn't have a key, so now I don't have a key.I didn't have a key for that door.No, Ellen got the key for the back door.Huh.So I can go out that door, because it's got the deadbolt.
So you have to turn it and then hold it open to get it to get out.So nobody's getting in that door.
Not a chance.I would like to get a new lock so that I can use the front door, but I'm like, when would I ever use the front door?I never used it.Never.I can get out of it if there's a fire.Nobody's getting in.
If we got to get our pizza, we can open the door.
I guess I would have it open because it's so tough.I'd have both doors open for airflow.Oh yeah.In the summer.I've done that probably a couple of times, but not.Oh, I did it all the time, I guess.I don't know.
So I suppose too, I didn't always lock my door.
Well, I would like to get storm doors on both that lock.
Well, like the screen door that locks so that I could have the door open, but lock that just as a little bit of, you know, if I was doing stuff.You call those storm doors?I don't know what else you call it.Screen door.Screen door.Yeah.
But I thought the storm, well, it doesn't matter.We don't need to get into the difference between a storm door.I just never, I've just never heard that.I guess that's what I always called it.Anyway, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.So, Yeah.So people are terrible.Well, some people are terrible.
I think, I think this is probably where we differ, like me against you two differ.Cause I feel like generally speaking, all people are terrible.Yeah.That is where we differ. Generally speaking, people are terrible, just awful.
There are good people within that group, but for the most part, I would say people are terrible.
I guess I would just ask, like, in what sense?
Every sense.I think that there are far more terrible people than there are good people.I disagree.I think it's flipped.Maybe the terrible people are just louder.
They are. They are.Yeah.100% they are.
Like, it's kind of like the, um, what's the, when somebody is like on trial, it's, you know, innocent until proven guilty.Whereas for me, it's like, you're terrible until you prove to me that you're not.
Yeah.You're guilty unless proven.Innocent.
That's kind of how I think of people.And a lot of that has been your experiences, you know, and there were a lot of people when you were younger that were terrible in your life.So, and.
by and large it's not been my, have I had terrible people in my life?But your experiences with the majority of the people being terrible would... Shape my view now.
Yeah.Which, so then you look at it... And that's the same way for us.
So then if you look at it too, because you can't say, I'm right or wrong, and you're right or wrong, because if my experience has been this, then this is true for me.
And that is true for you.Correct.Because I'm not going to say you're wrong.
And I didn't... I'm right for me.Yeah.Yeah, I know.I know you didn't say that.
No, no, I know that.I'm just saying.
right that that's not been your personal experience right yeah and again have terrible things have i met terrible people have terrible things happen to me yes but um for me I kind of wanted to see what that little nugget was.Yeah, I don't know.
It's probably the same one from last night.Yeah, I heard that guy last night.Yeah, asshole.Yeah.
So I don't know.I try.It's easy for me to start to think in that same vein.And I have to pull myself out of it.I actively try not to.
I feel like now when you start to think that way, does that make you more like angry or bitter or depressed?
It makes me start treating people like those people were treating me and I don't like that.
Oh, so you say, I don't feel like I treat people poorly.
I don't feel like I treat people poorly either, but I tend to be snappier and and less empathetic, less... I'll start to say things without thinking of how my words could affect somebody.
And maybe it's because you interact with more people than I interact with, too.Yeah.Because, like, I don't feel like I'm snippy or, you know, mean to people or, like, say things.
I can be snappish for sure.
No, I'm saying as far as like me thinking people are generally terrible.I don't think that it affects how nice I am or not nice I am.
No, but because you have you have a very tight circle.Yep. And you're not interested in bringing anybody in or out of it.Nope.And my the things that I do.Yeah, it's very different in front of a lot of people.Yeah, no, that makes sense all the time.
Yeah.And so I guess, uh, and, and I'm sure there are a thousand million people out there that think I'm a snatchy bitch and that's fine.It's fine.
But I wouldn't want people that I like or people who I would consider a friend, even, even, even an acquaintance, like somebody that I just don't know very well, but like, I mean, we're a small town, smallish.I would not want them to think.
I don't want to be friends with Ellen because she's a snatchy bitch.Yeah.Yeah.Now, what was I just gonna ask?Oh, it felt like a really good question, too.Damn it!The dementia.Fucking dementia.Do you, what was it?Let me think.
Do you think, do you think that, okay, here's, here's, okay, it's coming back.Okay, we got it, we got it, we got it.
get it out okay so I'm trying to figure out how to word it this is this is the memory issues we're having yeah that's okay let me let me work through this okay so do you think that having friends and having people that you know or that you you know will make friends with at some point or being you know more active in
town and in people that you know.Do you feel that you being nice or being empathetic or being, you know, not a snatchy bitch will keep, like you don't want to lose the people that you have in your life so you actually try to be better?
Is that what, I think that's what I'm trying to ask.
So when I start to think the majority of people are assholes, it makes me be an asshole.And I don't want to be an asshole.I'm actively working on not doing things that are asshole-like.It also really kind of affects my mental health.When I'm
when I'm constantly angry or irritated.Yeah.
It does.Yeah.When I'm when I'm constantly in that state, I start to react differently, react differently.But but then I feel like I take it out on you guys or Andy or, you know, some the people who I love.Right.
Or then I or I just like shut down, down or shut off.And I'm like, I don't I don't want to people today.And I don't have that opportunity in my life to just be like, I don't, you know, I can't go to work and just keep my head down and, and whatever.
No, like, you know, if I had a regular office job where you could just sit in your cube or whatever, and you just had to have put papers back and forth.I don't have that.I have to people every single day.
And a lot, and a lot of different personalities.So me thinking, for me, thinking that generally all people are bad harms my mental health.
And it's a domino effect in your entire life.
Yes.And for you, it's a protective.
Well, and I don't feel like it makes me angry to think that way.
Because for you, it's protecting yourself.Because you've had shitty people.You know, you've seen the bad in pretense of being good. And you have that.That's your protective shell.In a good way.In a good way for you.
Not in the like, oh, I'm trying to protect myself and it's really doing me harm.I don't feel as though it's doing me harm.
Right.So that's where the difference is, I think.And you generally think good in people.But you're way more cautious than people think.Yes, very cautious.
And you too have a pretty thick protective coating around.You know, you're not very... Like a pineapple.Yeah.Like the pineapple.Like a pineapple.Pokey on the outside and sweet on the inside.So because you're
I think you generally try to find the good in people.It takes you a long time for you to let somebody into your circle.
And your circle's pretty big, but... Also takes a lot to, because you see the good in people, and we were kind of having a conversation about this last night, it takes a lot for somebody
for you to not, this isn't the right word, but give up on somebody or like push them out of the circle, so to speak.Like slowly just nudge them on out.Like that takes, see, I'll push somebody out of my circle real quick.
But it takes a lot for you because you see the good in people.
So it takes a lot for you to like, cause you give them the benefit of the doubt and you give them chances and you try to think from their perspective and you try to, you know, be a good person.
So it takes a lot for them to wedge their way out of your circle.Right.
If they lose contact with me, that's on them.That's on them.Because you've done everything.And it's like, that's okay.If we need to part ways, then I was in your life for a reason and now it's, now we're good.
Do you ever think about the timeframe of people in your life and when, cause this is my thought process, every friendship, every person that's in your life, will you eventually not be in your life or not be your friend?Of course I've thought that.
So, so like, does that worry you at all?Yeah.Interesting.
Not worry me.So like you two, because Andy will tell you that my longest relationship is with Christy.But Christy and I didn't talk for six years over something really, really stupid.And I'm afraid of that happening again.
Something like that, because it was really easy to have it not talk for six years. Yeah, all of a sudden, because I was mad at her for something and something stupid. Do you even remember what?I, of course I do.
Actually it was, it was really hurtful to me and I didn't really see it, didn't want to look at it from her perspective.Sure.So then it was, we didn't talk for a week and then she called and left a message.
And then like the next day, cause I was going somewhere and I was hung over the next day.So then I didn't call her back.And then I think she reached out one more time and then I didn't reach back out. And it was six years and then it was me.
I out of the blue FaceTimed her cause it was new, you know, and, um, she picked up and we've been strong, we've been going, you know, and it's not come without stuff.
That's why, you know, when she was going through the, that with Scott and the other, and we would go through some periods of not.
you know, what felt like longer days of not talking than what we normally would, I would start to panic because I know how quickly... six years can happen.And I don't want to do that, right?She's an important part of my life.
So I know how quickly friendships can end and say you change jobs.That's like, because usually you have work friends and
you're invited to weddings and birthdays and this and that and all the other and then when that work relationship stops, most people don't continue outside of that because you have to.
I mean, if a friendship or is just like any other relationship, you have to work at it, you have to be an active participant in it.And so, you know, I know just how that can work, because I've quit jobs.
And I'm a person that stays at a job for a long time.I was at my other job for 23 years.That's a whole lifetime.
And you go through parent deaths, and weddings, and births, and all the graduations, and all the things, and then all of a sudden they're not in your life, because you don't see them five days a week.
And so, yeah, you have, so that's why I, if it's somebody I don't care about, or I don't like, because there are a lot of people I don't like, as you all know.But if there are
If it's somebody who I want in my life and I, I, you have to work at it, you know?So I, I do think about that.And maybe it's because of, you know, I've had my mom die.My dad moved to Florida.My sister moved to California.My brother moved to Iowa.
Right.And I was here with a shitty. piece of shit boyfriend who we had a big social life and then he started to isolate me.And then, you know, so like all these things happen, right? So I know how hard it is to, to work at a friendship.
And everybody's like, Oh, being friends is easy.It should be easy.It's like, no, to be an active participant in any relationship, the word is that is active.And that for me is really important.
And my, I feel like my, my group has gotten smaller because you know, I have Andy now, like that's, and for him, that's enough people.Cause he peoples all day too.And it's harder even for him to people all day.Um,
than it is for me, you know, he's similar to you.Like that takes a lot of his mental energy to, to be around, be social, you know, so, um, so he's done and he's like, well, we could go do whatever you want.I'm like, forget it.
feels like a lot of effort.
You should just come over here and take Chris with you.
Cause he'll be like, maybe we should go.And I'm like, I'm good.
Yeah.So, so I don't know, like my best friend from high school, you know, we had, we hadn't, she'd had kids, she was married and had kids, and I didn't, I didn't.
So we just weren't on the same time frame, you know, and so when she killed herself, I felt a lot of guilt there.Not that I could have changed anything, Because it was kind of a thing, you know, she cold turkey quit her meds.
Oh, yeah Because her like mental health.Yeah.
So yeah, you can't yeah No, so I wouldn't have been able to so she caused a fight with her husband.She took off and she killed herself Yeah
But I still, I know that I couldn't have prevented that, but I feel bad that I didn't make more of the time that she was here.Same with my mom.When my mom was dying, I wish I would have done more, but I got scared.I was 22, right?
You don't know nothing at 22.
Don't, nothing.You know, I wish I would have spent more time.You know, I think the older you get, you realize how short time is, you know, and, and,
And I'm starting to kind of develop my relationship with some of my cousins again, you know, and try to get on a schedule.You know what I mean?Like, let's not wait four years before we have a lunch when you live in Foley.Yeah.Right.Right.
We all live here.So I'm trying to make more of an effort to rebuild some of those relationships and for you, that probably sounds horrible.Yeah.I don't know.
I just don't, this is going to sound very mean and I, not towards you personally, just in general.And I, I mean it, but I don't mean it to be mean.I don't think that people, other people are that important.
doesn't sound mean, it sounds lonely to me.And I know it doesn't to you, but to me that sounds lonely.
Sure.Like I, I think about, you know, my parents dying obviously and thinking like, okay, I need to make an effort.
And I thought this for the last few years, especially now my dad's going to be the age that his dad was when he died this year, next month.
So I try to think of like, okay, I got to try to make an effort and spend time with him because I think about like, oh, I'll regret this.
Or like things like even simpler things like, oh, I don't want to walk Teddy today, but he'll be dead one day and I'll regret not doing that.Not playing with him, not taking the time to enjoy his life now.
If I don't go up to my parents' house or do these things, I'll regret that when they're gone.So I think about the regret that I'll feel when certain people are gone so that I will make an effort now.
But that's very few and far between as far as the people that I'm willing to think about that for, I guess.But everybody else for the most part doesn't matter to me.
Because all the other people, eventually those relationships will be over and that will be fine.I guess.
You know what this reminds me of?Huh? Because you're recently re-watching One Tree Hill.Yeah.Peyton says, people always leave.
People always leave.Yeah.Well, they do, though.Yeah.I mean, eventually, you know, if you think about if we live long enough, you know, if I don't die next year or this year.
If I don't have thyroid cancer.
Remember, we established we're going to die together.Together. You were in the house by this time.
I think.I don't know.I don't remember.I think so.But like eventually this podcast will end.Eventually our relationships will end.You'll go off.You'll get married.You'll have children.You know, you and Andy will move to some plot of land somewhere.
And like eventually these relationships will end.Or they could just change.
could see that's where the effort comes in i know but i'm not saying i wouldn't try to put effort in should you move should you move should whatever but you know eventually you know with me and chris will be one of us will die first or we'll break up or he'll you know something well sure death always happens right so like that's the one you can't yeah do anything about right but all the rest of them you could right no what i'm saying is though i understand that what i'm saying is
Do most of the people in your life, for me, not speaking to you, matter enough to do that, I guess?
It's the only question you can answer.
Because I feel like the answer is a hard no.
See, and that sounds lowly to me.
Because people don't really matter.
Scenario speaking, Ellen and I move.So you're saying the chances are if we make the effort and reach out to you, you'll still make the effort?
I would still actively participate for you two, I believe.But there could be a very real possibility that neither one of us decides to be an active participant.
I mean, there's always that, you know, yeah.
Like there's a very real possibility that that won't be a thing.And that's fine.I mean, it sucks, but that's fine.I don't know.So I guess, I don't know my point.
But the lake house, no.Like I don't, I hope, I don't know.I hope that doesn't sound, make you feel bad. Because I'm not saying it for you two specifically.
It doesn't make me feel bad for me.Okay, good.It makes me feel bad for you.Oh, don't.I don't.No, not in that.Not in how you think.Yeah.I'm not like, oh, poor Ellen.No.That's not it.I'm just like, I wish that I could tell you that there's more.
And, and that's always how I feel.Like I always wish that I could show you a silver lining or I could say. But it's so good.And I know that you're like, meh.
Well, I wonder if it's a similar thing as the you thinking people are generally good, me thinking people are generally bad, and neither one is wrong.It's just different.
So in this way is neither one is wrong.It's just different.
Yeah.Yeah.It's not wrong.Yeah.Because how you feel can't be wrong if that's how you feel. I can go, boy, I wish she could see it my way.Right?Right.But I can't do that.Yeah.Until the day you decide to see it my way.
You know, you're like, huh, I'm gonna do whatever, whatever.It has to be your mindset changing, not me going, it's like when you're wrong.Think of it like this.It's like if the guy's not into you, you can't change that.Same thing goes with friends.
If they're not into it, you can't change it.You can't force somebody to be your friend.
You can't force somebody to do the things that you think they should do.We could wish that you want something, till the cows come home.You can't change that for us.Right.And we can't change it for you.And we can't change it for you.Right.Yeah.
We can just share with you like, hey, I wish you would do this.I wish you would.Or whatever it is.Whatever it is.Yeah.
Whatever it is.Yeah.So that's Yeah, I mean, again, I feel as though I would try to be an active participant in both of your lives, friendships, should things change.Most people, like, other than you two, uh-uh.No.I don't care to do that.
And there's people that I feel the same way about.Like, I don't care.I don't care.But I probably have more numbers that I do.Oh, for sure.I have two.
Yeah, the thing that was circling in my head is the close connections you make.Like you make those for a reason.
Right.But I also feel that the close connections, and I kind of feel bad sometimes because I think people think that I have a close connection with them, but I don't feel that way.
So like, I feel as though like people that I have a close connection with that I would want to like, again, actively participate and try, like put an effort in is, I mean, other than like Chris, obviously, cause we live together, but like you two and not including family, my three family members that I like, but would be you two and that's it.
Like, I don't feel as though that I would need to act, try to actively participate in any of the friendship because I,
don't care that much so why do you say it like that because i think that i think if you were to say if i were to say that to anybody else other than you two we would heart they would hardcore judge you well i would just hurt their feelings oh and i don't necessarily want to hurt people's feelings no you're not saying i don't care about i don't care about our friendship but
but i don't i mean i care what like while it's here and active and it's it's easy sure yeah great if you up and move and you're gone and like whatever i'm no it goes back to the people you work with right exactly and then some people that are in your life because they are because they have to be for whatever that reason is whether they're neighbors or work with or whatever and then if they're gone i don't really care to try to keep that up
I think that's just life in general.I think a lot of it is.
Yeah.You know, I'm just thinking back, like.High school friends or.Well, high school friends or like.
Well, that's the thing, though, is you have friends from high school that you're still friends with.
Two.Yeah.Two of them.Yeah.But.Yeah.They actively work out.No, I know.You know, right.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.And that's the only way that.So of my high school friends, I'm not active, like, I don't actively do anything with them.Not an active participant.
Doesn't mean you don't like them.
Or that you don't want to be.
Our lives moved on and that relationship ended then.Or it changed and then nobody did anything with it.And I think that it's very, very common for that to happen.It's just that for me, some of them I want back.
You know, like, like my relationship with my cousin, who growing up, she was my best friend, even though, you know, and then when you start going to school, then you make a different friend group, and then you're just busy, right?
And she went off, she got married, she got divorced, you know, she had kids. You know, we see each other at family things, which I stopped going to a lot of them because when my mom died, you know, it was just different for me.
And not because of any of them.It's just that it is a huge reminder that my mom died. And when people get old and die, that's different because you expect to die when you're old.Yeah, it's part of life.Right.
But, you know, so it was easier just not to go.Yeah.
Then to... Which makes sense, especially since you were so young.
Yeah.You know, I wasn't, I wasn't, I mean, I wasn't a child.
My sister was a child, but... No, but you were still so young.22.Yeah.That's so young.That's a baby.
I know.But... Like... So, but now some of those relationships, not all of them.I don't, I'm not a firm believer in just because they're family, you have to like them.Oh, I'm a hardcore.That is a hundred percent false.
But there are some of them that I want to have a relationship with, have an active relationship with.Yeah.I don't wish ill on any of them.There are just some that I don't need to hang out with.
I'm trying to think if there's any person I wish ill on.
I do have, I have a person I wish ill on.Actually, that's not true.I just won't be sad the day he dies. Yeah, I think that's... I don't think I wish ill on... I don't want anybody to suffer.Although when he had a stroke, I kind of giggled.
Well, but he's terrible.He was terrible.That's just his karma coming back.Right.All of his health issues.
Yeah, I don't think I actively wish ill on anybody.But yeah, there's certainly people that I won't be sad.Yeah, I think bad things happen.
You get back what you put out.So, so the lake house, this went... Well, you know, that's stretching the time.
But that's what happens when, you know, we haven't done this in a while.We haven't done this in a while.
And also we haven't like all had like a sit down conversation just about things in our life.
Plus we kind of ran through the lake house pretty quick.
So let's do this.Let's rate it.What would you buy it for?
It's a really good book.It's a really good book.People in Fiji, really good book.
I should say, Amanda, if you have not read this one, this is one we would recommend.
Yeah, I wouldn't read this because her kids are younger that she teaches, right?I think so, yeah.But this is not a child.This is not a book. Like 12 and up.12 and up, even 12 I was like... Talks about dead bodies.
Yeah, to 12 I was a little bit... And suicide.I will say, here's the thing though, because it started off I thought it was gonna be really heavy because in the cabin burnt down they're like, oh my god, everybody died.
And then turns out the whole cabin was empty, there was nobody there.One person got murdered and one person killed himself.
Yeah, but that's a lot, but... I mean, that's still heavy for a kid.That's pretty heavy, so if you're gonna read this, Yeah, one guy shoots himself, one woman gets murdered, well, and then the camper, Arthur, he died too.
So three people died total, if you're going to read those in concern.
It's just a disclaimer, and well, we've ruined it for you. We've ruined it for you.But you know what?
We're always so bad at all the details that we've missed so much.So if you listen to it, if you've heard this and thought, maybe I want to read this or listen to it, you're still going to enjoy it because we missed a whole bunch of shit.
Just know that all three of us liked it so much that we took zero to few notes because we were all in it.We were.
Well, I'm very hard for all of us.I think if I listened to more, It'll be harder for me to take notes because I'm usually driving.Because you're doing stuff.Yeah, same.
You can take a mental note.
Yeah, but then that'll last real long with the dementia.But... Ouch.Ouch, dementia.
I thought you were actually like... No, but it was really good.
We should rate it.What would you buy it for?We should rate it.Well, it was $16.99 on Audible, right?Yep.So I would spend... I would spend that.
Now, I'm assuming the book had no pictures.
Okay, didn't seem like a book that would have.It would have been so cool.It would have been cool if it would have had some arts in there.
The only kind of art was the chapters.
Oh, the top part of the chapters have a little moon.
Something fell out of it. Oh, it's my ticket to the art museum in Paris.
I think if I were going to buy the book, even though I already own it on Audible, I would spend like $20 on it, on top of what I spent on Audible.
Yeah, I'd probably spend $20 for the hard copy.
This is one I would probably want to own.
Just because it looks so cool.
Well, it looks cool, and it's a really good book.So if times were tough, and the internet went out, and I had to entertain myself, I would read that book. or attempt to read that book.
There we go.I like that.What?
I was thinking of all of our books at our house.Yeah.Because we don't have the internet.But yeah.But yet, there they still sit.Well, I have probably more books that I haven't read than I have read at home.Yeah.
Let's see, my choices would be Winnie the Pooh, if I got the Lake Coraline from Paris, and some other crap.I don't know.Oh, Goosebumps.A lot of Goosebumps, folks.
I can't read that from this far.
Pickles the Fire Cat.I've got that one.
I read that.Let's see.Isn't it cute?
I paid 20 bucks for it.That's what I thought.The Canada price was $24.99.I'd pay the Canada price.I would spend 25 bucks for this hardcover.
I don't even know what the... Yeah, it was a good... It was a really good book to start listening to because it was so well-performed.
Yeah.Yep.Well-performed and very well-written.Mm-hmm.Very well-written.Good story, good characters, good character development, good relationships.And I do... One of my favorite... Good hero power.Yeah.
One of my favorite things about it that I didn't notice until I had started to re-listen to it because I was very sad when it was over.I didn't get very far.
they talk about how, because they're, you know, it's set in 2022, 2023, present time, and they're teenagers, so I assume they're like, what, 15?15 or so, because the one makes a comment.They weren't driving it, but they were, you know, whatever.
They make comments, or she would make comments, the writer would make comments of, you know, and Raven swore under her breath and then went to go do something, and I'm like, because if I were stuck on an island, I'd be swearing.
Every other word would be a swear word.
I swear like a sailor now.
I know same so like every other word would be a swear word and I'm like man these girls are very you know well spoken and not profane at all but they were swearing she just obviously didn't write it in there because it is a kid's book but I like that she made the note of swore under her breath swore under her breath or swore and then did this because it's it's also making it more realistic yeah without making it profane or vulgar I also like that they talked about peeing
yeah like like they go out in the woods and they never yeah oh they never have to go you know any anytime they never have to pee or poop or miraculously nobody has their period yeah yeah yeah they should that would have been an interesting thing if she had put in that one of them was on their period yeah that would have been interesting that would have been pretty funny actually yeah
all right so that's it so that's the lake house by Sarah Beth Durst you can follow us on Instagram and Facebook Tramps Ghost Ballerinas email us at tgballerinas at gmail.com and we're on Facebook and Instagram yeah and then next book we're doing is Pale Phoenix by Catherine Reese
It was not terrible.So go read it so you can follow along and we don't spoil it for you.
And you can decide if I'm right or Ellen and Mariah are right.
Was it terrible or was it not terrible?
OK.That's it.Catch us next time.
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