One is the creative guy, the other runs the business. While their bakery is thriving, their relationship is falling apart. How much of this has to do with the fact that they don't show the same love and attention to one another that they show to their macarons? Esther helps them sort our their romantic selves so they can sort out their business. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kirk feels that pastries are life. Lindsey? Not so much. So this episode immediately starts off cantankerous. Not only do they dive deep into whether a Pop Tart can be considered a pastry, but they also debate muffin vs. scone; are pastries better at breakfast, for dessert, or as a snack; are macarons prettier than they are tasty; does a pastry have to be sweet to be called a pastry; and Kirk describes his ultimate pastry fantasy. Will Lindsey support it? Hosts: Kirk Pynchon & Lindsey Gentile Producer: Kirk Pynchon Producer/Engineer: Andrew Price Theme song by: Kirk “Dad Beats” Pynchon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices