Welcome to The Mix, a fusion dance podcast where we dive into the world of blending dances and all that comes with it.We're talking about everything from the highs of nailing that perfect combo to the lows, emotional and mental challenges and more.
And if you're new to the dance scene, don't worry, we've got you covered with practical tips to help get you started, feel comfortable and most importantly, have fun.So come on in.We can't wait to dance with you.
Welcome to The Mix.I'm Kaelin.
And we are super excited to be joined by Laura.Laura, can you tell the people who you are, what you dance, and what you're about?
Wow, straight out of the gate.
Yes.Well, I met these cats on the Fusion dance floor.So that is a big love of mine.But I do kind of all of the dancing.Just got into social dancing the last couple years.Most recently, with like Kiz and Zouk, which I dabble in.
Micro before that, which I love.And Fusion, which I just fell hard, deep and fast for.And prior to that, Um, bachata and salsa, as well as some, which I would say I'm pretty experienced in, you know, like those 10,000 hours.Right.
Um, and also dabbled in West coast swing.Um, but I've been a dancer my whole life, just not social dancing.So was in tap shoes at two, started dancing professionally at seven.Um, ballet, jazz, lyrical, contemporary tap got my BFA musical theater.
So spent six hours a day dancing all through college. worked professionally, regionally, tours, all that stuff.
But in terms of social dancing, it's been about three years and it's been such an outlet of just joy and embodiment and connection to self and healing, if I'm being honest.So yeah, that's real brief dance bio.
No, I love it.I love it.Very prolific.I feel like there were so many moments I want to say, but we're not, we're trying to avoid that.We're trying to avoid that.
But my first question for you is how do you feel like when you, from that like very, very beginning up until now, how do you feel like your experience as a dancer has shaped who you are as a person?Or do you feel like it has had an effect?
Or do you feel like it's, integral to who you are as a person, how you express, how you feel, how you interpret, or do you feel like those are kind of separate worlds?
Wow.That is such a deep question.Oh, yeah, right.
Right off the bat, we go right for it.Like, we're right.We're right.We're here to mix it up, you know?
Like, this is just a casual conversation.And let's dive into the depths of your soul.No, I mean, I think they are inextricably linked.There is no separation for sure.I mean,
I believe, goodness, we are humans and I think there is so much inherent in us that is created and placed in us.And I truly believe that every human on the planet is a dancer, right?
Like we are all called to embody our bodies in terms of the expression of ourself and how we are fully self-expressed and the flavor of who we are in the world.And I'm so grateful that my mother strapped me into tap shoes
from a place of she never got to take dance classes as a kid because her parents couldn't afford it.And so that was really important to her to give me that opportunity.
But yeah, I would say, goodness, growing up as a professional dancer in the dance world, in the studio world,
I feel like there was a lot of cultural conditioning around dance and I wouldn't say that it was the truest expression of me as a dancer because I was being formed and fashioned by the world and the world standards.
That doesn't mean I didn't love it and I didn't live it and it wasn't a call on my life.It was. And then became an adult, you know, worked professionally.It was kind of like the joy was sucked out of it, right?It became my job.
And it became about like earning and striving and booking work and identity and all of that, which is really unhealthy.And then I went through some hardships as we all do in life. And dance kind of fell to the side for a season.
I actually went through a divorce and became morbidly obese, which I had never been.And the reclamation of my body and myself was like a whole process.
And I remember when I was journaling around why I wanted to be healthy, not thin, but healthy, I wrote down that I wanted to be able to like dance for hours and like recklessly without body pain and total freedom and total abandon.
And I forgot about that.And when I went back, when I was actually coaching clients around this.
I went back and read it and I literally created my reality because prior to getting healthy, I had so much physical pain and chronic conditions and inflammation that I couldn't dance the way I wanted to anymore.
So anyway, and that dance, that's when I met salsa was in that process.And it just became this beautiful embodied expression of self and like medicine in terms of reconnecting to my body, reconnecting to dance, reconnecting to movement.
Now in this season, that's why I'm so protective and fierce around where I dance, who I dance with, because it really is holy medicine to me.
Along with being social, along with being fun, along with being an outlet, like there's so much happening energetically in ourselves, with ourselves and with others that we're not even aware of.So, um, yes, it is.I am the woman that I am.
because of so many things, but one of the top five would be my relationship to and with and through dancing.
Yeah.Thank you for sharing it.That's beautiful.I feel like we could stop it right here and people will walk away with like, wow, that was great.That was great.
I also want to know, in your own words, how would you describe yourself if you were, or how would you describe how you dance if it were a seasoning?If it were a seasoning, a spice, are you more of a cinnamon?Is there more cardamom there?
How would you describe yourself from that?And does that change depending on the kind of dance or the kind of music you're hearing?
Yeah, actually, like at Fusion, do you feel like you incorporate more of your swing background or your Latin background, or it depends on the factors, like the song and the partner?
Ah, so good.I'm gonna start with your question, Trang, or your piece of that question and then transition it. I honestly don't know.I don't think about it.I don't like to think.That's also why I don't like leading.I like to follow.
I want to turn off my brain.I want to be connected into my body and just like lead through my body.I definitely think I can feel when a bachata element will pop up or salsa or some swing. I don't know.I honestly don't think about it.
I just want to be present and I want to be in the moment.Um, I'm sure, I mean, I've had many leads ask me, um, are you a ballerina?Have you done ballet?So they can like, I guess, feel that in me.
Um, I think especially cause generally speaking, I tend to engage my core and help them or so I've been told, uh, which I guess, especially in, again, I have a lot more hours in salsa.
and in bachata, but I don't think it's as common there in social dancing.I'm not really sure.And in terms of flavor or spice, I mean, I would like to think I'm pretty multifaceted.And I think it depends on the season.Again, there was a season where
I was literally being called like the queen of salsa ha ha ha in LA.I was everywhere.I was dancing literally like 17 nights in a row.Everybody knew me.I was like so athletic in my movement.I mean, like a little spicy tamale.
Bo show and you know, don't get too close.Like I will sting you.But I'm in even in this season and Kayla knows this a little bit about me.I am not in that place. I am craving quiet and rest and nurture and silence and softness.
And I think that's why I'm just loving micro.Like even fusion events are feeling a little too intense for me right now.And it's not the events.It's me and my nervous system.So right now, I mean, I don't know.I mean, maybe I'm like lavender right now.
I just very smooth. like very fragrant.You could just kind of want to like curl up next to the lavender.I kind of feel that's like, that's where I'm in.That's where I am.
I love that you were talking about how it's what season of life you're in.
And it's kind of your emotional mental states, like reflecting in how you choose and want to dance, because I'm sure some people can relate to that, but other people are, if they're not going through something, then they'll definitely have a different answer.
Yes.And I did, when you were talking, it reminded me, of course, my lead or my partner will influence that flavor.Again, some seasons more than others.
Right now, I feel less permeable and more guarded in terms of being less open to energetic, I guess, influence.But sometimes you get that right partner, and that will definitely impact your movement, especially whatever movement your lead is more
Proficient in or is bringing especially to the fusion dance floor will inform your movement hugely.So there is that influence if you're looking at External influence versus like the internal influence But Kaylin real quick or not quick.
I'm curious to know from you What flavors or spices you've experienced in dancing with me over the past year?Okay, there was like one or two that were prominent and
Not you flipping the question on me.Okay, okay.You know what, though?
Actually, it's funny, because when you said it, one of the first ones I think that stood out to me was more of a cinnamon, because it can go well with sweet, but it's also, there's a spice to it.
And I think the very first time we danced, although it was a micro event, I don't remember the song being micro that we danced to.And I was like, oh, okay.
And I think because of the conversation that we had had, and knowing that you had a background in salsa machado, I was like, Okay, I could see that.And I feel like the energy was there.
It was a very fun, you know, poppy, I don't want to say athletic, because it wasn't as big, but it was sharp.And I was like, oh, okay, there's a lot here.We can have fun.We can have fun with this.There's a back and forth.
And one of the things I've always appreciated is that when you dance, you're not afraid to speak up.You're not afraid to be like, oh, I want to do this here.I want to hit this spot this way.
I know, especially in like in some in more Latin dances, that's not always encouraged.But me personally, I love it.I'm like, oh, I want to I want to have that back and forth.I want to have a dialogue.
I feel like I've gotten to a point where I'm not really interested in just, you know, there might be a song that I hear.I'm like, hmm. I want to work, I have an idea, I have a vision, let's go.
But for the most part, I'm really enjoying the back and forth, you know, the volley, the like, I say this, then you say that the call and response, you know what I mean?And I love that.I love that part.
I would also say that for some of the other like more dramatic or more maybe
lyrical songs like I can see that like I can see the ballet in like that like contemporary or that like that the rises and the falls so I guess I describe that as like almost like a jasmine actually like a you know like yeah like a like a smooth there's a floralness to it and it like man I gotta think of my I gotta get my flavors down but
Yeah, I'm just gonna rock with the jasmine.I feel like that kind of captures what I'm talking about.I feel like jasmine pairs well with lavender, right?There's like this like fluid, subtle, but very, oh, you know what?Mint, that's the other one.
I couldn't think of it.Mint, that's the other one, right?A little jasmine, a little mint, right?It's like refreshing, you know what I'm saying?You taste, you're like, oh, this is nice.I feel comfortable.I feel soothed.You know what I'm saying?
So yeah, yeah, those are the flavors that I would describe.
Wow, that was so wonderful to listen to.And I feel so seen.And I feel so experienced.And I feel so valued.And I'm like, Yes, is there a lavender?Jasmine mint tea?That sounds delightful.I am here for it.
I mean, we can make it.We can make it happen.
The Laura blend.I was just ordering some flower essences, some yarrow, and I can create a Laura blend.I'm just being silly.Yes, you're right.
I just wanted to quickly respond to that is one of the things that I fell in love with Fusion is the freedom, is the flow, is what feels like more partnership. and has actually really made me take a step back from the salsa scene specifically.
It's so much more domineering, quote unquote, and I don't want to sound offensive in this, but like controlling.And I did three salsas last night, which I rarely do.And I was like, yeah, I've got no say here.
Like I am a puppet and I am doing what I am told to do.And yeah, but that is what made me really
in this past year falling in love with fusion is more of exactly what you said, feeling like I have permission to have a voice, dance-wise, movement-wise, energy-wise.
And again, we experience that more with some partners than others, where that dance chemistry is there, there's a greater bandwidth of communication with some versus others.But I do love, love, love that about the fusion scene.
It's hard to explain that to people too, if you haven't been in fusion and you're used to like salsa or bachata.And there is some of that in West Coast swing as well, for sure, the openness.
Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that.
But that was a great point that you, yeah, just wanted to. respond and acknowledge the fusion scene for introducing me to that and enlivening me to what's possible on the dance floor.
Yeah, I think you made some really great points because, you know, with all the other dances, it's a bit more, it can be rigid, structured, there's certain patterns or footwork.
And when I discover fusion, I'm sure other people have, well, there's so much freedom and it's very forgiving because I don't want to say you just wing everything you wing it, but there's no, um, it's a bit more loose.
And I think the culture from what I get is the dance culture there is also different.So it allows for a lot of creative freedom.And I think more like of a conversational dance or a dance that feels a bit more balanced in terms of, um,
in terms of like, again, like who leads or like, if that makes sense.But now I have a question for you is with the people you dance with, what do you look for in a lead or follower or what makes an ideal lead lead for you?
Open it, open it.Let's open it up.Let's go.I love it.
Chatted about this quite a bit. So I would say, and that's also been a progression and I'm excited to, you know, I've only been in the social dance scene for three years again.
a lot of prior, quote-unquote, professional experience, whatever that means.But, you know, initially, I felt like I could dance with anyone.Like, and I would.I would just, like, dance, dance, dance, dance, dance, dance, dance, dance, dance.
Like, I would never take a break, and I loved it.And it was definitely kind of, I guess, quantity over quality, if I had to paraphrase.And now it's definitely quality over quantity.
I would rather have six phenomenal dances that just quench every part of my dance thirst versus, honestly, be thrown around, manhandled.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Like, I just, and again, it's my season and Kalen knows, I'm just,
I feel like an old senior shelter dog that has just been not well cared for on the dance floor for too long.And I'm not here for it.
My knees are not kneeing like they used to.My back is not backing.Look, I understand.
Well, you know, I had, you know, a shoulder, like, I'm horrible.
It's like I had a shoulder tweak from, you know, leaves, forgetting how my body works anatomically, and insisting on, you know, when they're not aware of like, where your feet and your weight are, and they try to turn you in a direction that is not, you know,
And I will push back and be like, no.And some people will get upset with me.
And then I will, I've chosen to leave the dance floor when I have leads that insist that I move in the direction they want me to move in when they don't have an awareness of why I'm pushing back against them.
But anyhow, so I had that shoulder injury and that was like months and months and months to heal.And that was from a lead, you know, not treating me with care.Um, so I'm very protective of my body in that way.
So to answer your question, what do I look for in a lead?Huh?I look for someone, um, one that I feel good energy even before I've connected with them, like kind of feeling and sensing into them if I don't know them.
I do prefer in this season, I hate to say this, to dance with people that I know and I'm familiar with just because I'm feeling more protective and a little more fragile right now.People that are respectful, that don't just look at me.
They don't want to showboat with me.They don't want me to make them look good.They really want to have, they want to dance with me, right?They want to be in a conversation with me.They don't want to dance at me.
And, you know, I do, I do look for leads that have good skills at this juncture, that have taken lessons that know how to dance, that know how to lead, that have a good frame, that know how to dip me and lift me, because they always want to do that.
And I'm like, are you qualified to do that?Can you do that in a way that is not going to put me in harm's way?And I always feel solid with Kalen.I know he's not going to drop me.
And there are people that I feel super solid with, so I can play and have more fun.
I look for safety, I look for sensitivity, I look for relationship, I look for good energy, I look for skill, respect that I feel that goes with safety, right, but that they're not, you know, creeping, which is way less prevalent in the fusion scene.
And generally speaking, I've told Kaylin this too, coming from salsa bachata, you know, it feels like a sexual war zone.It's so refreshing to be in fusion.
And I remember my first Melty Micro, and I love that we do it at other events too, the consent form, you know?And I was like, wow, like, this is a thing?Like, this community has each other's backs?
Like, if someone is doing something inappropriate on the dance floor, like, they will be removed? Wow, breathtaking, breathtaking.So yes, that was a very long winded answer.But like I said, I have a lot to say in that regard.
No, I love it.I love it.There was a point that you had that there were a lot of things you said that I'm like, yes, I love this.Can we just post this somewhere so folks can absorb it?
One in particular, though, was kind of like checking energy and checking where a person or what a person is kind of fixated on how do you feel like you've gotten.
Actually, I guess the way I want to phrase this is when you're kind of reading people, for example, in, you know, in Salsa and Bachata versus in Fusion, what are you kind of like looking for or picking up on that tells you, oh, this is somebody that I want to, that I really want to dance with or want to get to know versus someone you're like, hmm, I don't know about that.
They're not like, are you watching them dance?Are you watching how they interact?Are you like listening for certain things when you're talking or like when you're dancing?Are there things that just kind of cue you?You're like, oh, this is it.
This is the red flag I need to see.I'm good.
Oh, I think it's all those things.I think there is definitely, you know, sitting back a little bit and one taking in the space energetically.But also, you know, I do do it, especially if I'm in communities I'm newer to, right?
And I keep meeting new Fusion people, which is great.I feel like the Fusion scene is not as consistent in going out, and neither am I right now.
So I can go to events and meet lots of new people because everyone's kind of cycling through, if that makes sense. So there is a sitting back and kind of taking in the terrain.
because I also feel very empowered this year too, where I will ask people to dance, where I never did.But now I'm like, I wanna have a good time.I get to have sovereignty around my experience and who I wanna dance with.
So I will sit back and take a look at the leads in terms of their style, their proficiency, their energy, whether they're more in a micro mood or whether they're like, you know, doing swan lifts, like nobody puts baby in the corner.
You know, there's the gamut.There's what you say of the hugging, why barely moving?And then there's the like intense lifts.So there's that.And I guess energetically, you know, that's so unspoken.
And I mean, I'm sure Trang can speak to that as a woman, just in terms of like how we feel, like what we intuit when we're around people.And I mean, the whole like, Creeper vibe for me is a real turnoff.Again, I'm really in a season of safety.
And, you know, 95% of the time, even maybe 98, I'm not out, like, looking to meet anybody or hook up.Like, that's not why I go dancing at all.And I think it's, quote unquote, less in the fusion culture.
Definitely, that's more of a thing in other dance styles, like, I feel like I'm saying bad things about salsa bachata.I don't mean to be at all.I've loved it.I do still love it.
But there are certain parts of the culture that have been impactful and some in good ways and some in not so good ways.So I think coming out of that culture, I'm just a little bit hypersensitive to not wanting to feel that.
And I will also call myself out. I was at a five rhythms dance event, which is a whole different style.I don't know if you guys are familiar.But there was actually someone that I felt an energetic spark with across the room.
And I could tell, and I avoided him the whole night.So I'm more in that vein, where like, if I feel that with someone, I will avoid them.I'm not gonna like run towards them.I don't, I would love to know how you guys handle that.
Kaylin, I know you're in a relationship, so that's a non-starter.I don't know anything about your, I got your back, boo-boo.Trey and I, I don't know anything about, you know, your dating life, but... But yeah, so I guess I'm sensing a lot.
Like, it's, you know, who do I know?Who do I not know?Who has dance skills?Who is, I'm like, oh, bless him, but that's not happening tonight.Where am I feeling the chemistry that I'm running away from?
Like, on the rare once a year annual chance, am I feeling the chemistry that I'm actually running towards?So it's a lot.There's a lot happening in a room with people dancing.
Yeah, I definitely know.And I think the ladies listening in can understand when they say, I don't feel good vibes from this person.Well, I feel like that intuition kind of also can be learned over time.
I know for me, when I'm starting out in a new dance scene, I'm the type that likes to taste the buffet.And so I'll dance with everyone.
But when you, I guess it's like when you start dancing with them and holding them, see how they handle your body or how they move you, or if you push back a bit and they don't respect that, that's when, for me at least, I know I'm like, okay, I'm not going to dance with this person ever again.
Or if they kind of come close to me and look like they're about to ask me, I'll just kind of walk off to the water cooler or something like that.
Granted, for me, I haven't had many terrible dance experiences at all, so I've been lucky in that sense, but I think this is good advice for any other ladies that are coming in.
You know, if there's something that your gut is telling you something, there's a reason why.And it's okay to, I would say, say no.
And I think that's something, when someone's new, they don't realize that, how it works, because sometimes people don't know how social dances work.But yeah, I totally agree with you on that, Laura.
And one quick thought on that, because I never want to vilify anyone.
And I do feel like, you know how like when you see dogs in a dog park and some dogs just hit it off and like other dogs don't, and it's like, some dogs will just straight up start fighting, right?And other dogs are just like, you can't separate them.
You know, I do think there are people that can carry like some bad juju, but 95% of the time, it's like, it's very subjective, right?Like the same way that like, Like I've had friends be like, Oh my gosh, he's an amazing lead.
Like you have to dance with him and we'll dance and it'll be fine.But like the magic wasn't there.And I think you can say the same thing about energy too.Like we're all so individual.
Um, so yeah, I just want to be clear too, that like, we're not vilifying anyone.We're not like, Oh, that's like a bad dude.
But it's like on that night at that event with whatever was going on in this person and in that person, like there wasn't that symbiotic organic, like
ease and flow, you know, and, and I've had that too, where there'll be the energy will feel really good with someone.And then two months later, it won't. And vice versa.
And I love when there's like a beautiful, like redemptive, like energetic love story.
You know, like I really, so yeah, I think it's also important to be open that literally like how each dance is its own individual creation in that moment that will never be repeated.So is like every human and every moment and every event.
And again, we talk about seasons of life. Like I am a fundamentally different woman now than I was two months ago, six months ago versus two years ago.
And so I also think just like having an awareness of kindness of humanity and of each other, why we're talking about all of this is really important because it's really easy to label people and you know, nobody, I don't want to be labeled.
Do y'all want to be labeled? Thanks for sharing and being really vulnerable today, especially with talking about what you're going through in life and how dance has affected you in that sense.
Because I think people might not realize what they're going in life can permeate other aspects, right?And how you show up.
And to kind of, I guess, if there's one last piece of advice, what would you give it to people who are curious in starting partner dance?It could be fusion dancing, it could be salsa, bachata, or swing, and they just haven't started yet. Goodness.
I feel like we're throwing like big epic questions at people without preparing them.Good thing I have a lot to say about all the things.That's why I'm here.No, Caitlin and I have been chatting about this a little bit too.
I mean, and I have such a passion for this of like, I feel like there's so many people that feel called to dance, that want to dance, that are excited to dance.And yet there, you know, is something or things holding them back.
I come from the Christian community, so that's a whole other conversation.But if we are just looking at general humanity, I mean, I believe that dance is life-changing, right?
Which is why I'm excited about your episode around that with dance and mental health and the physiological, biochemical benefits in the body. My encouragement is one, you know, you are who you surround yourself with.
And the way you do one thing is the way you do everything.So it's like, you know, if, and again, when there's been things that I've really wanted to get into I've done it in community.So I think community is really important and
It's like finding friends that you have that dance to go out dancing, or if you don't have them, you know, there is meetup groups.Again, in church, we're really big on like community groups, fellowship, doing things together.
So we have like different dance groups that people can be a part of to have community in that way to make it less scary.I know Kaylin just hosted like a salsa night in that regard, and tons of people showed up, which is amazing.
So yeah, and I would say, Whatever lights you up, go for it and do it.And if you're a lead, please take class.Said with love.
You have got to take class.In love. I, again, I came with, you know, a couple decades of dance experience, literal training.So no one judged me.I've never really taken a real social, like I've never taken a real salsa, bachata, fusion quiz.
Like I've maybe taken like one 40 minute class of each and I'm like, no.So I am blessed.I have been able to learn on the dance floor from good leads.But unfortunately, leads need to train. especially if they don't have a dance background.
I'm so glad I'm not a lead because I don't have to do that.
Just be brave, be bold, do what lights you up, be gracious with yourself.It's about the joy.It is about the fun.You're going to be bad.Like you're going to be bad.Just let yourself be bad.
And that's also why it's important for us to be compassionate with each other and to have space.Like if we don't allow people to have their process, then we're not welcoming them into dance communities.
So yeah, do it with people you love, do things that light you up, take class.Those would be my three things.
Please take class.Oh, please take class.Oh, please, please, please.Actually, one thing I'll say just because that was beautiful.
And the one thing I'll add as a multiplier is I think the deletion, like the intentional blocking of shame is important in cultivating spaces where you can practice and where you can express without shame.Because I've seen people who are like,
They're, they're really good dancers, like they're really good, but they second guess themselves or they'll make a mistake and then they let that mistake become the thing they fixate on instead of like the three minutes and 59 seconds of absolute bliss, you know what I mean, and I think that, like everything that you're saying, I feel like that.
also helps in that process of making sure that you're allowing yourself the openness and the vulnerability to mess up.Like you might fall, you might try something really cool and it just doesn't work, and that's okay.
You can get up, try it again, get up, try it again.And when we encourage each other to do that, when we encourage each other to, hey, that's okay, try it again, try it again, I feel like that's where a lot of really beautiful change happens.
That's where you have people unlock parts of themselves that maybe they didn't even know was still there. So yeah, everything you said was on point.I love it.I'm like, yes, yes, yes.And also, please, leads, take class.It's important.
Please, please have a plan or some concepts of a plan.
Yes, and quick commentary on shame only because like I even see it in myself with quote unquote, all my experience, blah, blah, blah, blah.And, you know, I'm not a perfect dancer.I have so many areas to grow in.And that's an understatement.
But last night, you know, I'm barely doing salsa in the season. at all in 2024.And so I'm feeling, I'm feeling rusty y'all, you know, and I was dancing with a really fantastic lead who was never at this venue.
Like generally there's never someone of his caliber at this venue.And he's friends with the DJ and he drove all the way from Oxnard down to the South Bay.And, um, he actually asked me to dance, which is rare when salseros don't know someone anyway.
Um, and I was not great.I mean, I was fine.I mean, you know, I have basics, basic skill set, but the whole dance, I wasn't present.And I was like, I feel bad for this man.He's so good.And I'm over here.Like, like he was so smooth.
It was like dancing with a Tesla.Like I couldn't even hear his engine.He was so buttery smooth. Um, and then I felt like, I don't know what I felt like.I don't think I was like a 1989 Honda Civic.
I was just like, you know, I just was not ready for it, ready for it.And, uh, I, I wasn't present and I felt bad for him.And I'm, I'm still lovely.Like I'm still a lovely experience on the dance floor, even when I am operating at a six, right.
Instead of a 10 and just to be even gracious with myself, um, Yeah.And I often find too, I apologize a lot.Like it just comes out.And I think, I don't know, Trang, if you do that as a woman, um, but leads mess up all the time and I don't care.
Like if they're, if they're gracious and humble and gentle about it, you know, and they're not like machismo and. whatever.But every time I mess up, it just comes out.I'm like, Oh, sorry, sorry.And I really want to break that off of myself.
Because we're creating in the movement in the moment.This is freestyle, right?This is improvisation.Like, of course, we're gonna mess up.We aren't professional West Coast swing dancers doing all those crazy things of improv that they do in videos.
And they even make mistakes, and it's endearing.And then they play off of it.And they, they build off of it.So So yes, to a shame free space, and even myself, that is something I'm really contending for to stop apologizing on the dance floor.
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