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With close to 500 episodes and counting, Working Drummer Podcast is the source for those interested in what it’s like to be a professional drummer. Hosted by Matthew Crouse and Zack Albetta, Working Drummer covers it all with a dynamic range of pro drummers who represent many different genres and scenes. Each weekly interview features a different performer, sometimes with a less recognizable name, but always with an impressive and distinct body of work. This unique approach has garnered a loyal audience hungry for unfiltered stories about making a living as a musician today.
396 - Mona Tavakoli: Playing with Jason Mraz, Centralizing the Cajon in Her Setup and Voice, Inspiring the Next Generation of Girls
Mona Tavakoli is a Los Angeles-based drummer, singer and performer bets known for recording and touring with Jason Mraz. While Mona is equally comfortable performing as a drummer and a percussionist, she is especially known for adapting the cajón to unexpected genres such as rock and pop.
Mona and Mraz have been collaborating for nearly a decade. She toured worldwide on Mraz’s 2012 album, Love is a Four Letter Word, and they performed together as a duo on programs such as The Today Show, The David Letterman Show, Ellen, Dancing with the Stars, and Late Night With Jimmy Fallon.
She is a co-founder and co-director of the Rock n’ Roll Camp For Girls Los Angeles, a nonprofit that encourages girls to find their voices through music during an intensive, weeklong summer day camp. Mona also promotes music education by hosting rhythm workshops at elementary schools and colleges around the country.
Mona has been featured in DRUM!, Tom Tom Magazine, judged and hosted the Hit Like A Girl drum contest and awards show and is the recipient of the 2016 She Rocks awards “Inspire Award” for her work with the Rock n’ Roll Camp for Girls.
In this episode, Mona talks about:
The new album she recently tracked with Jason and Raining Jane
Her hybrid setup and her history with the Cajon
Her unlikely combination of influences from Neil Peart to Jay Belerose
Her background in economics and how that informs her music career
Her #1 piece of financial advice for musicians
Her role with the Rock n' Roll Camp for Girls
01:14:2201/12/2022
395 - John Dittrich: Singing and Drumming for Restless Heart, Working in Nashville in the 1990’s, Retirement
John Dittrich is the well known drummer, singer and founding member of the band Restless Heart who had numerous hits in the country and pop genres. John is originally from Syracuse, New York and moved to Nashville Tennessee in 1981. By 1984, Restless Heart released it’s first recording and continued to record and tour for over thirty years.
After a successful and extensive career, John now enjoys retirement.
In this episode, John talks about:
Stories with John’s longtime friend & co-host with George Lawrence
Studying with Ed Shaughnessy
Working in Nashville in the 1990’s
Singing on stage with Toto
John’s country train sticking rlRl rrLr rlRl rrLr
The origins of Restless Heart
Retirement
01:58:3317/11/2022
394 - Pat Petrillo: His New Record, Instrument Selection in the Studio, Networking vs. Relationships, Product Design
NYC based drummer, educator, and product inventor, Pat Petrillo has been a leader in the drum industry for years. He has backed a wide array of artists from many genres, including Patti LaBelle, Gloria Gaynor, Glen Burtnik, Oz Noy, and numerous Broadway shows. His popular video lessons on Drumeo.com and numerous others have inspired millions of drummers over the years. He now leads his own group, the NYC Big Rhythm Band, which has just released a new record called The Power Station Sessions. Pat also has man product designs to his credit, including the very popular 21" K Custom Organic Ride, and the new Drumeo P4 Practice Pad.
In this episode, Pat talks about
The drumming styles and tones on the new record
His earliest influences - Ringo and Jabo
Studying with Peter Erskine at the Drummer's Collective
His unusual audition for Patti LaBelle
His experience on Broadway
The evolution of the P4 practice pad
01:22:2010/11/2022
393 - Shawn Pelton: Drumming on SNL, Shawn’s Physical Presence Behind the Kit, Attitude Over Chops
Shawn Pelton has recorded with a wide range of artists and has been a first call player since moving to New York in the late 1980s.
Shawn has recorded with artists such as Sheryl Crow, Shawn Colvin, Natalie Merchant, Ingrid Michaelson, Billy Joel, Van Morrison, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Johnny Cash, Rosanne Cash, Pink, Shakira, Kelly Clarkson, Five For Fighting, Michelle Branch, Regina Spektor, Tears for Fears, Citizen Cope, Matisyahu, Jonatha Brooke, David Byrne, Edie Brickell, Marc Cohn, Richie Havens, Joan Osborne, Hall and Oates, Odetta, Pavarotti, Phillip Phillips, George Michael, Carly Simon, Dixie Chicks, Chris Botti and Buddy Guy, and has played on several Grammy winning albums for artists including Ray Charles, The Brecker Brothers, Shakira, Shawn Colvin, Les Paul and the Hank Williams tribute album with Bob Dylan.
Shawn is also the longtime drummer in the house band for Saturday Night Live.
Since 2007, Pelton has been regularly appearing as the drummer on Daryl Hall's internet concert series Live from Daryl's House.
Pelton also served periodically as the substitute drummer in the CBS Orchestra on Late Show with David Letterman during regular drummer Anton Fig's absences.
Pelton is also a founding member of the NYC-based band The Cringe.
In this episode, Shawn talks about:
Powerful insights from his teachers
Utilizing multiple styles in his day to day
Shawn’s chart writing tips
Reading the room and acting accordingly
Managing the back and forth with remote tracking
When to employ your unique voice and sound
Shawn’s physical presence behind the kit
Attitude over chops
01:24:5903/11/2022
392 - Willy Rodriguez: Playing On the New Mars Volta Record, His Puerto Rican Roots, Becoming an American Drummer
Willy Rodriguez is a Latin GRAMMY-winning drummer, percussionist and bandleader. He was born in Ponce, Puerto Rico and began playing drums at age thirteen. He received his musical start playing throughout Puerto Rico in rock and pop bands. When Willy was twenty-one he started working as the Musical Director and drummer for Latin American Idol’s touring group. Following his experience at Idol, he was awarded a scholarship to attend Berklee College of Music in 2007. His reputation as a skilled musician spread quickly in the Boston area and he began playing extensively with musicians such as Jason Palmer and Andre Heyward. At Berklee, Willy studied with a host of famed teachers such as Terri-Lyne Carrington, Yoron Israel, Ralph Peterson and Greg Osby.
In 2014, Willy graduated from New England Conservatory with a Master’s degree in Jazz Drum Performance. At NEC, he studied with Billy Hart, Cecil McBee, Miguel Zenon, Jerry Bergonzi and Bob Moses, among others. He has performed alongside some of the premier musicians in jazz and Latin jazz including Jason Palmer, Papo Vasquez and Dave Liebman, with whom he has recorded and played with extensively. In addition to his work in jazz, he has performed and/or recorded with an extensive list of genre-spanning artists including Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, Mon Laferte, Domino Saints, and more. In 2019, he won a Latin GRAMMY for his work on Mon Laferte's 'Norma'. Willy recorded the self-titled seventh album by The Mars Volta, released in 2022 after a ten-year hiatus.
In this episode, Willy talks about
How he got into The Mars Volta's circle, and how his style fit the more intimate feel of the new record
Wanting to make his own name as an artist, as opposed to becoming known as "so-and-so's drummer"
His experience as an older student at Berklee
Understanding the American pocket and shedding his "Puerto-Rican-ness" in pursuit of it
How he got into jazz through metal and math rock
01:11:1827/10/2022
391 - Gary Husband: New Record - The Trackers: Vaudeville 8:45, The Early Days with Allan Holdsworth, Videocast Lessons
Gary Husband is one of a rare breed of musicians in that his expression is divided equally in his capacity as a drummer and a pianist and keyboardist of international repute. His classical roots, his quest and development in the improvisational, jazz and jazz/fusion areas – not to mention his tenure in the pop, rock, funk and blues circuits – are all evident inside Gary’s distinct and far-reaching musical personality. His solo album and DVD output has also reinforced his status as a critically acclaimed writer and arranger in the contemporary music world.
For close to four decades Gary has worked alongside a vast and eclectic range of celebrated musicians including John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth, Jeff Beck, Jack Bruce (Cream), Gary Moore (Thin Lizzy), British pop/funk band Level 42, Billy Cobham, Al Jarreau, Mike Stern (Miles Davis), John Wetton (King Crimson), Chris Squire (Yes), Andy Summers (The Police), Steve Hackett (Genesis), Robin Trower (Procol Harum), and with producers Sir George Martin (Beatles), Trevor Horn (Grace Jones & Art of Noise), Quincy Jones (Michael Jackson), Jerry Hey and James Guthrie (Pink Floyd).
Further associations and performing/recording credits include his work with Randy Brecker, Jan Hammer, Jerry Goodman, fusion/jam band Gongzilla, Germany’s NDR Bigband, Soft Machine, Maria Schneider, Christian McBride, Eddie Van Halen, Dean Brown, Bob Berg, Nguyên Lê, Joe Lovano, Charles Tolliver, Bireli Lagrène, Peter Erskine, Ron Sexsmith, drum n’ bass protagonists Lemon ‘D’ and Dillinja.
As an internationally established drum clinician he has performed alongside Dennis Chambers, Vinnie Colaiuta, Terry Bozzio, Billy Cobham, Simon Phillips, Omar Hakim, Ricky Lawson, Todd Sucherman, Paul Wertico, Denny Seiwell and Bernard Purdie, and most recently has been developing a series of motivational videocasts in drumming.
In this episode, Gary talks about:
An early influence: John Von Ohlen
Knowing how to relax and slow down to benefit the performance
Videocast lessons on Gary’s website
The early days of working with Allan Holdsworth
His newest recording with The Trackers: Vaudeville 8:45
01:04:0220/10/2022
390 - Clint de Ganon: Playing with Paul Shaffer, The Changing World of Broadway, "A Groove is an Agreement"
To date, Clint has played on over 1,000 recording sessions and over 75 tours with artists including The Blues Brothers Band, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Chuck Loeb, Art Garfunkel, The New York Voices, Mitch Forman, Cornell Dupree, and Edgar Winter. On television, Clint has appeared with the Saturday Night Live Band, and has performed with various artists on David Letterman, MTV, Bravo, Good Morning America, & The Today Show. He also played on the soundtrack for Stephen Spielberg's West Side Story.
For seven years, Clint played drums with Hiram Bullock's band, a power trio that featured the singing and playing of Hiram, legendary bassist Will Lee. The band made 5 recordings, and toured no less than 25 times. On Broadway, Clint has played for 13 shows, creating the drum books for four of them, including the Grammy Award winning Hairspray.
In this episode, Clint talks about:
The romanticization of session work
Creating a career out of patchwork, and the fragmentation of the record industry
How theatre work is a fusion of a live approach with a studio approach
Getting experience in a given genre on "regular gigs" before playing that genre as part of a musical
Playing with Paul Shaffer, and the unique position of playing drums with a symphony orchestra
01:15:4813/10/2022
389 - John Geiger: Multi-Decade Career in the Music Product Industry, Drumming with the Scotty Mac Band, The Business of Endorsements
John Geiger began his love for music and drumming at an early age and spent his early band years playing 80’s rock on the Sunset Strip and later moved on to country and classic rock. John pursued his music passion by creating a multi-decade career in the music product industry. John has spend over 30 years working in this industry with iconic brands such as Yamaha, D’Addario, KORG USA and Zildjian.
John currently plays in the Scotty Mac Band who’s regional success led to opening slots for national touring acts like Brett Young, Tyler Farr, Phil Vassar, Lee Brice and Chase Rice. The band performs at festivals around the country including Night in the Country, Country Fan Fest, Oregon Jamboree, Country Thunder, Coastal Country Jam among others. In 2016 McLaughlin released his first EP Messin’ Around which was followed in 2018 with a sophomore album Starts With A Girl, both recorded in Nashville. The band won California Country Association’s Entertainer of the Year in 2017. Today, fans can see the band playing in Nashville at bars such as Tin Roof, Winners and Ole' Red.
In this episode, John talks about:
Major changes in the retail industry over the last 40 years
His job title and responsibilities at Zildjian / Vic Firth
John’s history in the music product industry
The communal nature of drummers
The business of endorsements
News about supply chain issues
01:42:5806/10/2022
388 - Chris Parker: Decades on the New York Scene, Playing with Dylan, Stuff, and G.E. Smith, Performing on SNL
Born in Chicago, Chris was playing drums at age three and began performing his first professional gigs at eleven. At nineteen, Parker began recording and touring with blues great Paul Butterfield and then broke into the New York studio scene in 1970,doing records, movie scores and filling the drum chair at Saturday Night Live. Toph, as friends know him, recorded platinum, gold and Grammy winning albums and CDs with many artists, including, Bob Dylan, Cher, Natalie Cole, Donald Fagen, Ashford and Simpson, Aretha Franklin, Freddie Hubbard, James Brown, Stuff, Miles Davis, Patti LaBelle, Michael Bolton, Lionel Hampton, Billie Holiday, Tony Bennett, and Quincy Jones who has written liner notes for the latest cd, ”Blue Print.”
Currently leading his own band, the Chris Parker Trio with Kyoko Oyobe, piano and Ameen Saleem, bass, Parker has just recorded “Blue Print,” a new cd dedicated to Arif Mardin and produced by Arif’s son, Joe. This new work features Randy Brecker on three tracks as well as Parker’s original compositions.
In this episode, Chris talks about
New York scene in the 70s, when he was getting serious about music
His 50 year association with bassist Will Lee
His work with Stuff, and playing double drums in the band with Steve Gadd
Seeing numerous drum legends over and over at New York clubs, and receiving mentorship from them in different ways
How an impromptu rehearsal/jam with Bob Dylan unknowingly served as an audition
Adapting to the many different ways Dylan wanted to interpret songs in the moment
How his passion for drawing and painting has informed his musical approach
01:17:0929/09/2022
387 - Steven Wolf: Creating Emotional Reactions in Programming, Connection Between Mind and Body, Advice for the Young Player
Steven Wolf (also known simply as Wolf) is one of the world’s most in-demand studio musicians. His discography includes numerous #1, Gold, Platinum, and Grammy winning records.
A virtuoso drummer and world class programmer, with an encyclopedic musical vocabulary spanning every musical genre, his distinctive skill-set and versatility have made him the "go-to" rhythmic solution for a long list of the world's top recording artists and producers. In addition to drumming and programming, he's also an accomplished producer, songwriter, and remixer.
Wolf’s credits include: Alicia Keys, Katy Perry, Beyoncé, Miley Cyrus, Avril Lavigne, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Annie Lennox, Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Celine Dion,Cher, Joss Stone, Britney Spears, The Bee Gees, Natalie Imbruglia, Leona Lewis, Johnny Cash, Rufus Wainwright, Daryl Hall, Macy Gray, Grover Washington Jr, Oz Noy, Hiram Bullock, Tribal Tech, Larry Coryell, The Gil Evans Orchestra, Lenny Pickett, The Saturday Night Live Band, and many others…
In this episode, Wolf talks about:
Advice for the young player
Transitioning from a touring to session drummer and programmer
Getting the right sounds in the studio
Managing a sample library
Creating an emotional reaction in programming
Staying current with musical styles
The connection between mind and body
01:47:0922/09/2022
386 - Billy Drummond: Playing with Sonny Rollins and Horace Silver, His New Record, "Me Being Me for Right Now"
Acclaimed by Downbeat as “one of the hippest bandleaders now at work,” Billy Drummond’s thrilling, powerful and highly musical playing has also made him one of the most called-for sidemen of his generation. Mentored in the bands of jazz legends Horace Silver, Joe Henderson, Bobby Hutcherson, J J Johnson and Sonny Rollins, Drummond is now widely acknowledged as one of today’s most versatile drummers, making sideman appearances with a veritable who’s who of jazz greats on over 350 albums. He has made three albums as a leader—including Dubai, a New York Times Number 1 Jazz Album of the Year—and five as a co-leader, including We’ll Be Together Again in Three’s Company, a trio with Javon Jackson and legendary bassist Ron Carter, which made several Top Ten lists of the Year.
In this episode, Billy talks about:
The idea of a jazz record being a snapshot of an artist's present condition
How what he loves listening to relates to what he chooses to play
Entertainment vs. expression
Playing with Horace Silver
The influence and mentorship of Al Foster
Teaching at NYU and Julliard
01:30:0215/09/2022
385 - Dez Davis: Drumming for Hunter Hayes & Mickey Guyton, Promoting His Brand “BlackDrumHippie”, Using Faith as a Guide
Desmond Davis the “BlackDrumHippie”, is a Dove Award, Stellar Award & Ascap Rhythm & Soul Award winning, Grammy nominated musician, producer and writer hailing from the west side of Chicago where he honed his skills in the Baptist church playing gospel music however; he is well-rounded with the ability to play various genres including but not limited to; rock, pop, country, hip-hop, jazz, R&B, reggae, funk, and blues .
The BlackDrumHippie’s talent and tenacity has afforded him various endorsements and the opportunity to play a variety of tours, festivals, tv appearances and concert venues.
With growing notoriety, Desmond has played for decorated artists such as: Donald Lawrence, Johnathan McReynolds, Sir the Baptist, Todd Dulaney, Byron Cage, Bri Babrieaux, Hunter Hayes, Mickey Guyton & many more.
Desmond’s hard work and forward thinking has allowed BlackDrumHippie to transcend music as it has grown into a brand that provides customizable Levi denim jackets, t-shirts and other merchandise.
In this episode, Dez talks about:
Moving to Nashville in 2019 with a gig with Hunter Hayes
Affordable home studio options for outboard gear
Growing up and performing in many churches in the west side of Chicago
Trusting in his faith to be a guide
His experience with songwriting yet staying focused on live performance and sessions
Promoting his brand
01:21:2808/09/2022
384 - Larry Florman: Fronting Them Vibes, Collaborating with Maggie Rose, Traditional Percussion vs. Pop Percussion
Larry Florman is a drummer, percussionist, vocalist, and front man for the Nashville-based band Them Vibes. Also known as Brother Love, he fronted numerous bands in New York before relocating to Nashville. Them Vibes has put out numerous singles and EPs since 2013, and became the opener and backing band for Maggie Rose, with whom they co-wrote and toured. Larry is also married to Nashville drummer Sarah Tomek.
In this episode, Larry Talks about:
Joining forces and later parting ways with Maggie Rose
How his musical life came to encompass drumset, percussion, and vocals
Learning traditional African and Latin percussion in New York with Babatunde Olatunji and other masters
Traditional Afro-Cuban conga playing vs. the American soul tradition
How he and Sarah interact musically
01:28:5201/09/2022
383 - Nick Raskulinecz: Producing Rush, Foo Fighters and Others, Loving Drums and Producing Drummers, Reflections on Taylor Hawkins
Nick Raskulinecz is a record producer who has produced a Grammy-winning album for Foo Fighters, a #1 rock album for Alice In Chains, a #1 rock album for Rush, a #1 Billboard album for Evanescence, a #1 UK album for Stone Sour, and many more.
Neil Peart writes:
"Nick was best known for his highly successful work with the Foo Fighters, but before that he had a long history as a musician, engineer and producer. He had started out in Knoxville, Tennessee, and more-or-less worked his way west, studio by studio. When we met Nick, we all liked his youthful, unbridled enthusiasm, but at 36, he was also experienced enough to have a strong background in music and recording."
Of the recording sessions with Nick, he writes: "I have never enjoyed the recording process so much, nor been so satisfied with the results."
Geddy Lee from Rush also writes praise about working with Nick, saying "There's no point in hiring a producer who's not going to speak his mind, but it's a tall order to find someone who can hear Neil's playing, amazing as it is, and still say, 'Maybe you should try going in this direction...' It was a pleasure to be challenged [by Nick]. That's really what a band like us needs."
In this episode, Nick talks about:
Moving to Nashville from Los Angeles
His studio in Nashville “Rock Falcon Studio”
What he’s learned from drum techs over the years
Studio hacks when tracking drums as well as an “anti-hack”
What a producer really does
Producing the last two Rush records
Nick’s hands on approach to producing drummers
Reflections on Taylor Hawkins
01:09:4725/08/2022
382 - Tommy Crane: His New Solo Album, His Journey from New York to Montreal, from Jazz to Ambient, and from Acoustic to Electronic
Tommy Crane is a NYC and Montreal based musician. Crane has recorded and performed with Ambrose Akinmusire, Melissa Aldana, Briars of North America, The Mingus Big Band, Linda Oh, Thus Owls, Aaron Parks, Richard Reed Parry, Logan Richardson, Bing and Ruth, Becca Stevens, Half Waif, Port St Willow, and Wood River.
In 2017 Crane was commissioned by the Lincoln Center, NY, to create a multimedia piece titled "Preservation" in collaboration with filmmaker Tracy Maurice. Crane's composition was performed live and released as a full-length album in 2019. In addition to Crane, the recording features performances by Colin Killalea (Albert Hammond Jr.), Eliot Krimsky (Here we go magic), and Greg Chudzik (Steve Reich).
In 2017/2018, Crane toured extensively with Melissa Aldana and recorded the Grammy Nominated album "Visions" with the band. Crane is also a core member of Aaron Parks's "Little Big" (whom he met and befriended at a jazz camp in NYC when they were both 15 years old). Crane also taught improvisational ensembles at the Accademia Nazionale del Jazz - Siena Jazz in Italy (2019-2020). He contributes original compositions to various WNYC and NPR podcasts and is also a Sunhouse artist.
In this episode, Tommy talks about:
The process of recording his album, almost entirely on his own at home
How he uses Sunhouse products
His early days in New York attending the New School and immersing himself in jazz
Playing with the Mingus Big Band
Getting burned out by life in New York, musically and otherwise
Prioritizing projects, bands, and his own music over the "hired gun" life
01:33:3118/08/2022
381 - Adam Box: Recording and Touring with Brothers Osborne, His Home Studio: Gilded Palace, Experiencing the Grammys
Adam Box is the touring and recording drummer with the country duo, Brothers Osborne.
Adam grew up in Mississippi where with the support of family, friends and his church community, helped to develop the skills he needed to be a world class musician and drummer. This community and environment lead to Adam meeting legendary bass player Chris Ethridge, member of the Flying Burrito Brothers. Chris became a mentor to Adam and was an important figure in the early days of Adam’s career.
Shortly after Adam moved to Nashville, his talents we’re quickly realized and this lead to him joining the group Brothers Osborne.
He has also played on recordings by Chase Bryant, Lucie Silvas, Sonlite Band, Jeremy Lesley, Kristy Lee Cook and many others. Adam also produces and records out of his home studio, Gilded Palace.
In this episode, Adam talks about:
Useful application in his home studio
Humble beginnings in Nashville
Adam’s snare tone(s)
Geeking out on studio tech
An inspiring in-ear mix for live performance
Working with Producer Jay Joyce
Experiencing a performance on the Grammys
01:33:2911/08/2022
380 - Will Kennedy: His Yellowjackets Legacy, His Educational Mission, His Bay Area Roots
Will Kennedy's musicality and finesse are legendary in the jazz world and beyond, performing with luminaries such as Yellowjackets, Herbie Hancock, Chaka Khan, Snarky Puppy, Bobby McFerrin, Esperanza Spalding, George Benson, and Lee Ritenour. His career is marked by pushing musical boundaries and a desire to be inspired yet be an inspiration. As a longstanding member of the Yellowjackets, the celebrated jazz quartet that includes fellow USC Thornton faculty members Bob Mintzer and Russell Ferrante.
Kennedy played percussion and began private lessons with teacher Bill Nawrocki throughout his school years. He also studied under professor and mentor Bill Bell, performing with him in San Francisco. Kennedy quickly became a fixture in the Bay Area scene as a teenager, and was introduced to legendary steel pan virtuoso Andy Narell with whom he recorded and toured Europe.
Joining the Thornton faculty in Fall 2018, Kennedy took over the duties of drumset instruction for Ndugu Chancler, longtime faculty member and one of the founders of the Popular Music program.
In this episode, Will talks about:
His early teachers and influences in the Bay Area, from groove with Willie "Wild" Sparks to jazz with Tony Williams
Playing on daytime talkshow, movie soundtracks, and other studio word during his hiatus from Yellowjackets
His approach to teaching pop drumming at USC
His physical approach and how he uses and teaches rudiments
What it means to play with your body vs. against your body
01:05:5804/08/2022
379 - Ryan Brown: Drumming for Dweezil Zappa, Living and Working in Los Angeles, Channelling Zappa's Drummers
Ryan Brown is a professional drummer and percussionist in Los Angeles, California. In addition to his gig as the drummer for Dweezil Zappa, he plays with Los Angeles-based bands The Young Royals, Black Belt Karate, SexTapes, AM/FM, The Fuxedos and Madras, and in the bands of artists Arrica Rose, Karem Malicki-Sanchez, Colin Armstrong, Josh Canova, Space Oddity and rapper J Naugh-T.
He has toured with Taiwanese pop star Chyi-Chin and L.A. bands OWL and Ultraviolet, performed on “Last Call with Carson Daly” with Ingrid Michaelson and played the Bern Jazz Festival in Switzerland with R&B artist Niki Haris. He has recorded tracks and albums with producers Marti Frederiksen, Mark Hudson, Mikal Reid, Russ Irwin, Rob Seals, Glen Laughlin, Rob Shrock, Brian Dobbs, Klaus Derendorf, Brian Paturalski, Billy Morrison, Larry Crane and David Weisberg, including the hit single “The Real Thing” from Bo Bice.
Ryan can also be heard on releases by Foreigner, Circus Diablo, Hannah Montana, Clay Aiken, Cassie Davis, Nick Lachey, Jesse McCartney, Heather Graham, Suzie McNeil (Rock Star INXS) and Stephanie McIntosh, as well as on the movie soundtracks for Ice Age: Continental Drift (Adam Schlesinger), Kung Fu Panda (Hans Zimmer and John Powell) and The Dark Knight (Hans Zimmer). He’s performed on recordings with Alex Lifeson, Earl Slick, Elliot Easton and Rudy Sarzo.
Ryan has also appeared as a sideline musician in numerous TV shows and movies, including Pirates of the Caribbean 3: At World’s End, Desperate Housewives, Jag and Samantha Who?. He plays all styles of music, including rock, R&B, jazz, ska, funk, blues, folk and country. He is on the drum faculty at Musicians Institute in Hollywood, Calif., and teaches private lessons as well. A native of Denver, Colorado, he has played drums and percussion since he was 11 years old. Ryan graduated from Indiana University with a degree in jazz studies and percussion.
In this episode, Ryan talks about:
Why he chose Los Angeles
Teaching and mentoring
Growing his network in LA
The audition for Dweezil’s gig
Channeling Zappa’s drummers on the gig
Working with Alex Lifeson
01:46:3928/07/2022
378 - Brandon Draper: Touring with Drum Safari, A Wholistic Approach to College Music, An Evolving Role on the KC Scene
Brandon Draper has enjoyed a celebrated career as drummer, percussionist, producer, multi-instrumentalist and educator. He has been based in Kansas City for the last 15 years where he has led and played in an eclectic mix of projects from jazz to Turkish to electronic music, and runs the acclaimed children's interactive music program Drum Safari with his wife of 14 years Teryn. His extensive resume also includes performances with both the New Mexico and Santa Fe Symphony Orchestras and the Kansas City Symphony, Ottmar Liebert, DJ Logic, Donna Summer, Mose Allison, Steve Coleman, Dick Oatts, Bobby Watson, and Kevin Hays, and Particle. Draper was musical director and live drummer for Quixotic Fusion 2007-2012. He continues to write, consult and occasionally perform with the KC-based cirque group.
Draper is on music faculty at the University of Kansas where he teaches jazz drums, world percussion, steel band and is the director of Music Enterprise certificate combining music business and entrepreneurship.
In this episode, Brandon talks about:
His entrance onto the Kansas City scene after grad school
Drum Safari, a touring music education program for kids, which is becoming the family business
His philosophy as an educator, and the drumset and music business/entrepreneurship programs he heads up at The University of Kansas
Playing with his father, a B3 organist, from an early age
How some tough love from Kevin Hays helped him find a more authentic voice
How his place on the Kansas City scene has changed along with his identity and interests over the years
01:42:5221/07/2022
377 - Mason Ingram: His Duo Slowave, Managing Technology to be Inspiring, Drumming on Broadway Shows in NYC
Mason Ingram is a composer, session drummer, and Ableton programmer, living in Nashville. He is one-half of ambient music group slowave, acting as writer and producer.
He has been the drummer on Broadway's Kinky Boots, The Prom, and RENT (Off-Broadway). He has had the privilege of working with Bibi Bourelly, Angus & Julia Stone, Paul Baloche, The Discovery Channel, 070 Shake, Lewis Capaldi, NOTD, All These Small Moments, The Lone Bellow, Walking Shapes, Annaleigh Ashford, Shacks and Palaces, and Matt Doyle. He is a member of bands The Last Royals, Hundred Hounds, and Young Oceans, and has played on Broadway's The Lion King, The Waitress, Finding Neverland and Little Shop Of Horrors.
Mason also loves working in Abelton Live, from programming, to writing, and recording. He has programmed backing tracks for Broadway shows and pop tours including the current production of Little Shop of Horrors, La Jolla Playhouse’s FLY, Pretty Woman London, Young Oceans, The Last Royals and many others.
Growing up in Austin, TX, he spent 13 years in Brooklyn, before moving to Nashville, where he currently lives with his wife and son. He loves writing, producing, mixing, collaborating, learning of any kind, and finding out new ways of creative inspiration.
He has appeared on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Late Night with Seth Meyers, The Late Late Show with James Cordon, The Wendy Williams Show, LIVE with Kelly and Ryan, and Live at Lincoln Center, along with countless US and European tours.
In this episode, Mason talks about:
Drumming on Broadway shows in New York City
The importance of playing with confidence
The why and how of the DAW Ableton
His duo Slowave and the compositional process
Prioritizing family
Managing technology to be inspiring, not distracting
01:44:5314/07/2022
376 - Kris Myers: 20 Years with Umphrey's McGee, Coming Up in Chicago, Finding Where You Belong, Musically and Personally
Kris Myers began playing drums for progressive-rock band Umphrey’s McGee in 2003. Since then, the band has released eleven albums and maintains a rigorous touring schedule of over 100 live shows per year. Umphrey’s has performed at legendary festivals and venues such as Bonnaroo, Lollapalooza, Austin City Limits, Fuji Rock Festival, South by Southwest, Red Rocks Amphitheater, The Ryman Theatre, The Beacon Theatre and more.
Myers attended Elmhurst College from 1995 – 1999 where he was a music major and the drummer in the Elmhurst College Jazz Band. Under director Doug Beach, the Elmhurst College Jazz Band played gigs in the U.S. and Internationally at events such as the Umbria Jazz Festival, Jakarta Jazz Festival and the Montreaux Jazz Festival. Myers has played with a variety of jazz artists such as Nicholas Payton, Diane Schuur, Randy Brecker, Dennis DiBlasio as well as local Chicago musician Mark Colby. In 2001 Myers enrolled in DePaul University where he earned his Master’s Degree in Jazz Drumming.
Myers works as a studio musician in the Nashville for various projects. He continues to play with musicians such as Mike Keneally, Bill Evans, Jeff Coffin, and Billy Strings on a variety of projects in both the Nashville and Los Angeles area.
In this episode, Kris talks about:
Getting started around Chicago's network of educators, drum shops, and universities
Umphrey's McGee's early jam/funk influences (Galactic, MMW, Lettuce, Bela Fleck etc.)
His drumming influences - bringing an adventurous and active drumming presence to Umphrey's
Finding a "give and take" band dynamic - giving a band what they need but being allowed to explore and be you
Projects outside of Umprhey's he's been involved with along the way
Moving from Chicago to LA in 2014, and ultimately settling in Nashville
How where you live and whether it suits your personality/priorities is as important as any musical aspect of your life
What he sees in the present and future of Nashville
01:15:5807/07/2022
375 - Aaron Apter: Being the Best Version of Yourself, Load vs Capacity, PR3 Performance
Aaron Apter is a corrective exercise specialist and professional drummer based out of Nashville, TN. Having a uniquely specific education and professional credentials in both music performance and pain management, Aaron combines both practices in a way that directly addresses the needs of musicians who want to correct nagging injuries without impacting their career. He has worked with a wide variety of acts ranging from Cirque Du Soleil to the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra to War. In 2022, Aaron founded PR3 Performance, a company designed to help musicians resolve chronic pain without having to see a surgeon or miss a performance.
In this episode, Aaron talks about:
Both adapting to a scene and learning from an environment
Prioritizing his health
Surviving a serious bike accident that changed his life
Aaron’s unique coaching practice - PR3 Performance
Aaron’s work to build back Matt’s health with a focus on drumming
Load vs Capacity
Building a tolerance through recovery
Being the best version of yourself
01:33:5830/06/2022
374 - Joy Lapps: Exploring History, Community, and Expression Through the Steel Pan
Joy Lapps is a bandleader, composer, and educator based in Toronto. She was introduced to the steel pan through her church music program as a teenager, and soon started playing community and church events. This soon led to composing her own music and leading her own bands. Her latest release is Girl in the Yard, featuring her own compositions and arrangements, and her husband, Larnell Lewis on drums. The album reflects her exploration of the steel pan as a traditional folk instrument of resistance, but also as the vehicle for her original compositional ideas.
In this episode, Joy talks about:
The musical and geographic origins of the steel pan
How Larnell encouraged her to compose, improvise, and take the steel pan beyond its traditional stylistic role
How having a son with special needs has affected her relationship with music
Leaning into her instrument's traditional identity vs. carving a new musical path for it
How her relationship with Larnell has affected her relationship with the drums
Working with her band to translate traditional Afro-Caribbean styles to a modern jazz format
01:10:0223/06/2022
373 - Hubert Payne: Curiosity Over Judgement, Life and Performance Coaching in “The Space”, Touring with Little Big Town
Hubert Payne is one of the most sought after musicians in the Nashville music scene with a Performance Coaching skill set that’s a cross between ministry, life coaching, therapy and motivation. With over 20 years of performance experience in athletics and music, Hubert is widely recognized for his ability to ‘Unblock’ his clients so they are fully equipped to live from the best of themselves in every area of their lives.
Hubert is a certified life coach, practitioner of Neuro-Linguistic-Programming and a Level 2 ISEP Experiential Coach. He is skilled in emotional wellness and performance after trauma and has worked with The NFLPA, The Green Bay Packers, Chick-Fil-A. Hubert maintains a roster of clients from NFL Coaches and players to real estate agents and musicians.
Hubert is also the touring and recording drummer for National Country Music Artists, Little Big Town. When not on location at The Space (The mental gym he founded in Nashville, TN), you can find Hubert and his wife, Nicole, with their 5 children in Spring Hill, TN.
In this episode, Hubert talks about:
Using the concept of performance when navigating life
Touring with Little Big Town and Miranda Lambert
Double drumming with Miranda’s drummer Max Zemanovic
Life and performance coaching in “The Space”
Normalizing mental health and the help that’s available
Becoming a compassionate witness to our own history
Being able to manage your failings
Choosing curiosity over judgement
01:22:5816/06/2022
372 - Erik Aylesworth: Playing with Jet Black Roses, Recording at Ronnie's Place in Nashville, Thinking like a Producer
Erik Aylesworth is an Atlanta-based drummer who joined Jet Black Roses through remote recording during the pandemic. He attended Atlanta Institute of Music but cut his gigging teeth on the funk/R&B scene in Dayton Ohio. He returned to Atlanta in 2016 and got himself busy playing the usual combo of corporate, bar/restaurant, and church gigs. Jet Black Roses signed with N-Ovation Music Group in Nashville and just finished recording their debut album, with songs set to be release starting in late summer of 2022.
In this episode, Erik talks about
The recording process for Jet Black Roses at Ronnie's Place
The band's unique strategy for releasing and publicizing their music, skipping a few of the usual steps
Becoming a father during the pandemic
How recording with guitarist Rob McNelly influenced his own approach as a drummer
How the usual influences of Bonham, Colaiuta, and Peart combined with pocket influences like Prince and Lil' John Roberts
01:11:3609/06/2022
371 - Jerry Pentecost: Drumming for Old Crow Medicine Show, Dealing with Systemic Racism, Traditional Country Drumming and Serving the Song
Drummer and Nashville native, Jerry Pentecost has played with John Prine, Brent Cobb, Amanda Shires, Caitlin Rose, Aaron Lee Tasjan, and many others. In 2018 he became only the second drummer ever nominated for the Americana Music Association’s Instrumentalist of the Year award.
Since around 2019, Jerry has been the drummer for the Grammy award winning group, Old crow Medicine Show.
In this episode, Jerry talks about:
Loyalty over pay when juggling multiple gigs
Playing the Medallion Ceremony at the Country Music Hall of Fame honoring Eddy Bayers
Drumming for Old Crow Medicine Show
Covering many roles with OCMS including playing mandolin, bones and singing
Recording the latest OCMS record, Paint This Town
Two op-eds he wrote for the Tennessean focusing on Black History
Dealing with systemic racism
Traditional country drumming and serving the song
01:38:4102/06/2022
370 - Eric Slick: Playing with Dr. Dog and Waxahatchee, Building Songs Around Drum Sounds
Eric Slick is a product of the Philly area where he began touring with Dr. Dog. After relocating to Nashville in 2018, he continued that gig until the band’s recent hiatus, and has gone on to perform with Waxahatchee and The Crooked Rhythm Band among others. He is also a singer, songwriter, and producer in his own right, his latest release as a solo artist is an album of ten original songs called Wiseacre.
In this episode, Eric talks about
His ongoing studio learning process
The power of "no" - filling your schedule vs. being fulfilled
Playing with the Crooked Rhythm band and digging into the Fela Kuti/Tony Allen stuff
His interest in late 70s/early 80s drum machines and productions
Wrestling with drums and mics vs. wrestling with the computer
How Nashville is becoming a place for everyone, musically and otherwise
His "jazz damage"
01:19:5426/05/2022
369 - Al Murray: The British Drum Company, His 2nd WW podcast: We Have Ways of Making You Talk
Al Murray is a Co-Founder and Managing Director of the British Drum Company
He is also one of the UK’s most recognizable comedians! In his guise as the Pub Landlord he has played drums with the likes of Phil Collins and Queen as well as touring the world appearing on TV and radio.
Al has published books and is planning a movie, but his first love is drums. A keen and enthusiastic drummer, Al has played since he was a kid, and is currently active in the band 'Fat Cops'.
Lastly, Al and historian James Holland discuss all matters Second World War with their immensely popular podcast, We Have Ways of Making You Talk. The podcast is a bi-weekly show exploring the war in close up and James and Al have a stunning knowledge of the subject.
In this episode, Al talks about:
His podcast, “We Have Ways of Making You Talk”
His interest in the 2nd World War
The British Drum Company
The variety of snare drums that The British Drum Company offers
His full time gig as a touring comic act, the Pub Landlord
How the history of drum manufacturing is also the history of manufacturing
01:06:4919/05/2022
368 - Danny Paschall: From Metal to Mainstream to Experimental, Playing with Col. Bruce Hampton and Brent Hinds
Danny Pachall has been active on the Atlanta scene for nearly 20 years with gigs ranging from the most precise metal to the most experimental improvisation. He toured with "blues surrealist" Col. Bruce Hampton and was part of the long-standing jam session hosted by bassist Kevin Scott. He has also toured and recorded with metal guitar heavyweight Emil Werstler, Zappa alum Ike Willis, tribute outfit Georgia Players Guild, and many others. He is currently in the house band for "Metalsome Mondays," a live band metal karaoke show, and most recently he was tapped to perform live and record for a new side project by Mastadon's Brent Hinds.
In this episode, Danny talks about
His view of the current metal landscape
His "Jim Keltner" approach to Brent Hinds' project
Recording and touring with Emil Werstler's metal project "Verlorener"
The influence of bassist Kevin Scott, and the role Kevin's experimental jam session on the Atlanta creative scene
Playing with Col. Bruce Hampton
Being capable of the precision of metal and the freeness of experimental music, sometimes simultaneously
Getting over imposter syndrome - being a jack of all trades vs. needing a musical home
01:14:1312/05/2022
367 - Jim Brock: Developing Your Own Voice with Percussion, Recording in the Pre-Digital Era
Jim Brock has proven to be an innovator in the world of drums and percussion. Within his forty five year career he has appeared on literally hundreds of recordings with artists such as Joe Walsh, Joan Baez, Kathy Mattea, Joe Cocker, Janis Ian, River Phoenix, and James McMurtry. With five solo recordings and a DVD entitled The Nature Of Drumming, Jim Has traveled the world extensively with performances on The Tonight Show, A Prairie Home Companion, Good Morning America, MTV, and multiple appearances on The View, just to name a few. Among these include a concert at the White House for President Clinton in 2000. In 2007, Jim was asked to compose the music for the documentary "The Spirit of Sacajawea". For this work he is the recipient of the prestigious Telly award, and was nominated for an Emmy award in the category of Composer/Arranger.
In this episode, Jim talks about:
Learning to develop his own voice with percussion
When and when not to use traditional patterns and feels
Recording with Joe Walsh
Recording in the pre-digital era
Living and working in Charlotte NC
The recording scene in Charlotte
The rhythm of life itself
Recording with Steve Gadd, Alex Acuna, Mel Lewis and others
01:23:3005/05/2022
366 - Brian Steever: Finding and Exploring His Unique Voice in Kansas City, Letting Sounds and Ideas Guide The Way
Brian Steever is a drummer on a mission to inject joy into every musical situation that he finds himself. One of the most in-demand drummers on the Kansas City scene, the drums have been his passion since he was born. He began his studies with Loyd Warden in Columbia Missouri and is an alumnus of UMKC where he studied with Doug Auwarter, Brandon Draper, Curtis Lundy, Michael Carvin and Bobby Watson. Brian enjoys many performance opportunities in the Kansas City area and beyond. He can be seen around town with Mike Metheny, Matt Otto, Bob Bowman, Jeff Harshbarger, and Hermon Mehari. Brian has also had opportunity to play with musicians from all over the world including Ben Allison, Javon Jackson, Deborah Brown, Bob Sheppard, Tony Tixier, Shunzo Ohno, and Sam Newsome among others.
In this episode, Brian talks about:
Having the three strong influences of a mentor, a peer, and a community all before he left high school
How the Kansas City jazz scene is supportive of everyone's unique voice
His experience at University of Missouri-Kansas City
The influence of Matt Wilson - being effortless and intentional
Exploring sounds and ideas vs. practicing drums
The never-ending matched vs. traditional conundrum
01:13:5028/04/2022
365 - Shannon Forrest: Performing With Spirit and Intent, The Confidence of Jeff Porcaro, Staying in Contact With Your Muse
As a session drummer, Shannon Forrest has contributed to the work of many well-known artists, including Brooks & Dunn, Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, Carrie Underwood, Mary Chapin Carpenter, The Chieftains, Willie Nelson, Ricky Skaggs, Trisha Yearwood, Lee Ann Womack, Jerry Douglas, Merle Haggard, and many others. Shannon is also a producer and engineer.
Born in Easley, South Carolina and now living in the countryside just outside of Nashville, Shannon's recording career is unparalleled. In his twenty-plus years as one of Nashville’s top session drummers, he's constantly in demand for practically every top artist that town produces. The list includes mega stars Brooks & Dunn, Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, Carrie Underwood, Toby Keith, Faith Hill, Sugarland, Tracy Lawrence, LeAnn Rimes, The Chieftains, Michael McDonald, Willie Nelson, Alabama, Art Garfunkel, Ricky Skaggs, Trisha Yearwood, Blake Shelton, Martina McBride, Lee Ann Womack, Gretchen Wilson, Merle Haggard, Trace Adkins…and countless others. Shannon Forrest is a recipient of the Academy of Country Music’s Top Drummer/Percussionist Of The Year.
In this episode Shannon talks about:
The confidence of Jeff Porcaro
The “inter-dynamics” of the Rosanna shuffle
What separates the “session musician” from others
The intent of building his own studio
The production of the Tom Bukovac record - Plexi Soul
Performing with spirit and intent
Developing a good working relationship with the click
Recent recording project - Judson McKinney and the Wanderers
Shannon’s YouTube channel
01:44:5121/04/2022
364 - Corey Fonville: The "SuperBlue" Project with Kurt Elling & Charlie Hunter, Playing with Butcher Brown, Evolving Through Self-Acceptance
After spending the first part of his career in the New York-based jazz world, Corey Fonville has evolved into playing and producing more groove-based music. With his band Butcher Brown and most recently with Charlie Hunter and Kurt Elling on new album SuperBlue, Corey is exploring playing and tones that are firmly in the supporting role rather than the more explosive/interactive jazz role. Corey is the product of a couple of non-traditional educational environments; The New School in New York and the Dave Brubeck Institute in Stockton, CA, and his jazz resume includes Christian Scott, Nicholas Payton, Jacky Terrasson and many more. But he has found himself moving past that world in search of drumming and music that's more true to his musical identity and values.
In this episode, Corey talks about:
How the SuperBlue project came about, and how Charlie and Kurt turned to him to help shape it
Being a bridge between Kurt's energy and Charlie's energy
Being influenced by Kareem Riggins, Kendrick Scott, Obed Calvaire, and other New York jazz drummers
How sounding like other drummers is a step in the journey to sounding like you
Ways he's thinking about combining his new musical identity with the jazz world he used to inhabit, and approaching jazz with a production mindset
How turning something down or moving away from a certain music requires self-acceptance
01:08:0714/04/2022
363 - Nate Felty: Being Yourself on the Session or Gig, Seeking Out New Music and Experiences, Teaching and Learning
Originally from Syracuse, New York, Nate Felty is an experienced live/session drummer and educator who enjoys performing a wide range of musical styles. Nate has been living and working in Nashville, Tennessee since 2012 and earned his Masters in Commercial Music at Belmont University in 2014.
Nate is the drummer for Nashville-based, nationally touring country/roots artist, Kelsey Waldon. With Waldon, he has shared the stage on tour with Grammy Award-winning artists such as Ricky Skaggs & Kentucky Thunder, Marty Stuart and His Fabulous Superlatives, and John Prine.
Since his arrival in Nashville, Nate has performed and recorded with notable touring bands from Nashville. Among these are The Amanda Broadway Band, Abby Anderson, Devon Gilfillian, Dan Smalley, Marquee Mayfield, and a 9-piece funk/fusion group Dynamo. While with Dynamo, the group earned Nashville Industry Music Awards (NIMA's) in 2015 for "Best Funk/Fusion Band" and "Album of the Year" for their 2015 release, Find Your Way.
When not on tour, Nate is an adjunct professor of drum set at Sewanee University of the South. Nate continues to make his imprint on Nashville's local music community, performing with notable musicians such Roy Agee (Prince), Jeff Coffin (Dave Matthews Band), Micah Hulscher (Margo Price), Jay White (Amos Lee, Cory Henry), Mike Hicks (Rascal Flatts), David Rodgers (Keb Mo), De Marco Johnson (Marc Broussard) and Paul Horton (Alabama Shakes).
In this episode, Nate talks about:
Being yourself on the session or gig while paying reverence to the genre/style
His early influence and exposure to jazz
Following his “North Star” and seeking out new music and experiences
Playing in the house band for “The Pitch Meeting”
Understanding musical references when creating parts
His award winning band Dynamo
Teaching and learning
Recovering after snapping a tendon in his left hand
01:35:1807/04/2022
362 - Jordan Perlson: An East Coaster Finding His Way in Nashville, Being Intentional About Saying Yes or No,"Async" Drum Coaching
Jordan Perlson has spanned about as wide a stylistic reach as one can imagine. Be it with jazz legends Seamus Blake and Gary Burton, folk heroes Alison Brown and Missy Raines, reggae giants Matisyahu and Trevor Hall, cutting edge music innovators like Becca Stevens, Snarky Puppy, and Jeff Coffin, progressive innovators Adrian Belew or Kaki King, or fusion megastar Hiromi, Jordan has become a known force in these many circles. With credits on 100+ recordings, including national and international ad campaigns, Jordan is as at home in the studio as he is on stage. Having taught at prestigious institutions such as Berklee College of Music, New York University and masterclasses all over the world, Jordan is a passionate educator. An author of 2 books for Mel Bay publishing, Jordan’s books have been translated into several languages and are used the world round by teachers and students of many levels.
In this episode, Jordan talks about:
Why he moved to Nashville after 12 years in New York
Curating musical situations that line up with momentum in a direction, even if the end goal is abstract
Being more intentional about not just what he says yes to, but why he says yes
How New York shaped his personality, and how that shapes his musical identity
Trusting that his instincts and intentions will make good music, even if the execution isn't quite perfect
His "asynchronous" drum coaching approach to private teaching
01:11:0731/03/2022
361 - Michael Bland: The Demands of Working for Prince, The Power of Mentorship, Drumming for Soul Asylum
At age sixteen, Michael Bland won the "twin cities' best drummer" contest and was the beginning of a rewarding career.
With his recognition as a prodigy, Michael was actively sought by many local acts. At seventeen, Hiram Bullock snagged him up, and took him to Pittsburgh and New York to do some one-nighters. That same year, he joined Dr. Mambo's Combo, a house band at Bunker's Music Bar and Grill, a local club where many Minneapolis musicians cut their teeth. Bunker's is where Prince first spotted Michael, Michael joined prince in 1989 and he toured, recorded, and performed with the new power generation for the next seven years.
In 1996, immediately after his tenure with Prince, Michael went on tour with Paul Westerberg, which led to tours and recordings with other national acts, such as Chaka Khan, Maxwell, Dionne Farris, George Benson, Phil Upchurch, Howard Hewitt, and many others. Since 2005, Michael has been a member of the band Soul Asylum.
In this episode, Michael talks about:
The demands of working for Prince
How he got the gig with Prince
The podcast, MUSIPOLITIX he ran during the pandemic
Drumming for Soul Asylum
The power of mentorship
Stories of working for Chaka Khann, Madonna
01:47:5724/03/2022
360 - Quinton "Q" Robinson: Touring with "Ain't Too Proud," Making a Career Transition into Musical Theatre, A Different Kind of Musical Fulfillment
Over the last decade plus, Quinton "Q" Robinson developed a busy and sustainable career drumming with Gospel and R&B acts such as Avery Sunshine, Peebo Bryson, and Anthony David, and recording in his home studio. But he got interested in musical theatre and started spending time in New York meeting Broadway drummers, musical directors, and contractors, and playing readings and off-Broadway productions. He also got in with the Alliance Theatre in Atlanta played a litany of shows there. That legwork has culminated in Q landing the drum chair for the touring production of "Ain't Too Proud," the Tony-winning Temptations musical.
In this episode, Q talks about:
The process of getting on the radar of decision makers in the musical theatre world
His experience at The Alliance Theatre in Atlanta
How he got on Clayton Craddock's radar, and how Clayton came to recommend him for "Ain't Too Proud"
The intricacies of the show
The qualities required of a musical theatre drummer
His goals for the new studio he's about to build
01:17:3017/03/2022
359 - Clifford Koufman: Studying Drumming in West Africa, Completing the Cycle of Music Through Sharing, "Clif Chats" Interview Series
Clifford Koufman is a Nashville-based, award-winning drummer who founded Sound & Rhythm Drumming School in 2000. With over 20 years of experience, Clifford carries a world of experience to every scenario, whether creating music, performing or teaching. He's honored to be the recipient of multiple grants, the Thrive award to build community through community drumming classes, performances, and drum circles, and the Regional Arts & Culture Council professional development grant to study music in Guinea, West Africa. He's toured internationally, throughout the US, and in Alaska. Clifford has spent time living and learning from master musicians in Ghana and then Guinea, West Africa, and has performed, taught, and worked with thousands of people as well as working with numerous bands, songwriters, and composers throughout the United States. In an effort to share in his musical experience, inspiration and to connect with creative people through conversation, he began "Clif Chats" where he's has conducted over sixty interviews of creative people at the top of their fields.
Clifford teaches people in Nashville as well as traveling to schools, colleges, and universities as well as teaches internationally online. He creates play-along tracks for drum circle facilitators as well as making music for licensing. Clifford embraces the spirit of collaboration in Nashville, performing and recording and writing, collaborating with songwriters, bands and composers. He is continually experimenting with a hybrid drum set, incorporating percussion and drum set elements with various hand drums. He facilitates leadership development events using the drum circle as the vehicle. Clifford continues to teach students all over the world and is excited to collaborate with songwriters, bands, and composers. He continues Clif Chats and is always looking to geek out about people living creatively, drums, art, and music.
In this episode, Clifford talks about:
His journey into hand drumming
Studying and adventures in Ghana and Guinea, West Africa
Completing the cycle of music through sharing
Building a teaching practice
Clifford’s interview series: Cliff Chats
01:27:2310/03/2022
358 - Blair Sinta: The "Three Jobs in One" Endeavor of Recording Yourself, His Courses and Podcast, Bringing Your True Self to a New Gig
Blair has been an LA staple for over two decades, having recorded and/or toured with Alanis Morissette, Chris Cornell, Gwen Stefani, Brandi Carlisle, Melissa Etheridge, and many others. Blair has a couple of new calling cards, one of them is his podcast Recording Drums, he’s getting ready to get season 2 of that going. And the other is his suite of online courses, Introduction to Recording, The Snare Sound Bible, and Improve Your Groove. For the month of March, Blair is offering a 15% discount on these courses to drum click listeners, check ‘em out at blairsinta.com and use the promo code BFSDSDB at checkout.
In this episode, Blair talks about:
Tracks that require a set of drum sounds and parts vs. tracks that require a drum performance
What led him to create his online course
Focusing on a narrow or specialized set of goals/skills in the studio vs. taking on the challenge of going after any sound
His six week zoom course
What "listening with your eyes" means
Phone audio considerations
His time with Alanis Morissette
Trying to be what you think a band wants vs. representing yourself accurately
01:06:1803/03/2022
357 - Noah Levy: Working with Brian Setzer, Building and Growing His Home Studio, The Power of 2 and 4
Noah Levy is an in demand drummer that lives in the Minneapolis / St Paul area of Minnesota. He has toured and recorded with a long list of international artists including Five For Fighting, The Honeydogs, Peter Frampton, Nelson, The Bodeans, and Golden Smog.
Noah spends a lot of time as a session player working in studios around town as well as his own home studio. He currently plays with Brian Setzer in his Rockabilly Riot, and Orchestra.
In this episode, Noah talks about:
Building his home studio
Self discovery
Time management in the home studio
The power of 2 and 4
The talent in Minneapolis / St Paul
Working with Brian Setzer
Studio etiquette
01:13:0424/02/2022
356 - Matt & Zack: Our Relationship with the Click, Our Interview Style, What's Coming up for WDP and The Drum Click
Zack was recently in Nashville for a gig, so he and Matt took the opportunity to sit down and chop it up.
In this episode, Matt and Zack talk about:
What "burying the click" really means and how it fits into the greater goal of sounding and feeling good
The phenomenon and business model of the social media drummer
An interaction we had with a listener regarding our interview style
What's coming up with The Drum Click Network from discounts to a Nashville Drum Camp
01:32:5217/02/2022
355 - Rob Rufus: Drummer, Published Author, Cancer Survivor and Advocate, The “Band Drummer” vs the “Working Drummer”
Rob Rufus is an author, musician, screenwriter, and advocate. He is the recipient of the American Library Association’s prestigious ALEX Award. His literary debut, Die Young With Me, was named one of the Best Books of the Year by Hudson Booksellers and is currently being developed as a major motion picture. His follow-up, The Vinyl Underground, was named one of the Junior Library Guild’s Gold Standard Selections. He lives with his dog in East Nashville, Tennessee. Catch him on the road with his bands The Bad Signs or Blacklist Royals, and learn more at www.robrufus.net
In this episode, Rob talks about:
His first book - Die Young With Me
The power of artistic expression
His 2nd and 3rd book: The Vinyl Underground and Paradise, WV
Touring with his band The Blacklist Royals
The “Band Drummer” vs the “Working Drummer”
Realities of being a working creative
Facing down cancer that gave him a new outlook on life
01:47:4410/02/2022
354 - George Fludas: A Lifetime of Chicago Jazz, Playing in The Ray Brown Trio, The Alchemy of Sound and Feel from Bonham to Blakey
Chicago drummer George Fludas was born in Chicago on October 10, 1966. He was inspired to play drums by his father, who was also a drummer, and who exposed him to great jazz drummers such as Art Blakey, Max Roach, and "Philly" Joe Jones.
He has played with many stellar musicians such as Lou Donaldson, Kenny Burrell, Betty Carter, Benny Green, Roy Hargrove, Hank Jones, Cedar Walton, Diana Krall, Benny Carter, Phil Woods, and Bobby Hutcherson. George has performed at numerous jazz venues in the U.S. such as the Jazz Showcase in Chicago, Yoshi’s in Oakland, the Blue Note, Village Vanguard, Smoke and the Jazz Standard in New York and Catalina's in Hollywood, as well as many international Jazz Festivals, including Montreal Festival du Jazz, Bern Jazz Fest in Switzerland, and Glasgow and Edinburgh Jazz Fests. He toured Europe and Japan extensively as a member of Ray Brown's Trio, and with groups led by Hank Jones, Diana Krall, Monty Alexander, Cedar Walton and Joey Defrancesco. He can be heard on numerous recordings as a sideman with Ray Brown, Eric Alexander, Monty Alexander, Bobby Broom, Lin Halliday and The Chicago Jazz Orchestra.
In this episode, George talks about:
What makes a successful jazz club
His experience playing with the iconic Ray Brown trio
How Bonham influenced him, and what Bonham had in common with some jazz drumming icons
How the synthesis of sound and feel should be included in the definition of "technique"
How the Chicago scene shaped him as a player and the musical element that is prevalent in Chicago jazz
How the trends of remote recording and sample packs are working their way into jazz
01:24:4403/02/2022
353 - Simon Phillips: Protocol 5, Signature Drum Sound and Tone, Composer, Engineer, Producer
Simon Phillips, multifaceted drummer and composer, producer and engineer, is renowned for his historic stints with Jeff Beck, The Who, Toto, Jack Bruce, Mike Oldfield, Joe Satriani, Judas Priest and countless others. His life of top-tier session work has fostered an extraordinary versatility and boundless artistic curiosity, something he’s long carried into his work as a leader, mainly under the banner of Protocol.
An entirely self-taught composer, Phillips debuted the solo Protocol project eponymously in 1989, then revived it in quartet form on Protocol II (2013), Protocol III (2015) and Protocol IV (2017). Throughout, Phillips has grown his vision for an instrumental music with pop sensibility and lyrical, almost singable melody, all over a complex and elusive harmonic foundation. Of the original members (guitarist Andy Timmons, keyboardist Steve Weingart, bassist Ernest Tibbs), Tibbs remains in the fold; he joined keyboardist Dennis Hamm (Thundercat) and guitar virtuoso Greg Howe for Protocol IV. He is gamely on board again for Protocol V, partnering with the group’s newest members: veteran keyboard magician Otmaro Ruiz and two prodigiously gifted young players that Tibbs himself recommended, guitarist Alex Sill and saxophonist Jacob Scesney.
In this episode, Simon talks about:
His interest composing
Working in his dad's band when he was very young
The origin of his set up
Simon’s signature drum sound and tone
Early exposure to the studio environment
The recording of Protocol 5
The value of understanding multiple styles
01:43:5027/01/2022
352 - Ash Soan: Learning How to Track and Mix Simultaneously, Letting Who You Are Determine How You Sound
Ash Soan is one of the most in-demand drummers in the world, with a long list of live and studio credits that includes many of the biggest names in pop music over the last few decades. In addition to his studio and touring work, he is also well-known for his seven-year stint as the house drummer on The Voice UK. He is the creator of a series of video lessons available on his website and commands a wide social media influence from the confines of his small home studio, a converted 18th century windmill base that resides on his property outside London and has become synonymous with his drumming.
In this episode, Ash talks about:
His approach to mixing drums after he's tracked raw sounds
Finding sounds through science and manuals vs. intuition, experimentation, and trial and error
Knowing your sound and yourself well enough to be not just capable, but confident in any situation
Following iconic drummers on a gig without trying to be them
How he's avoided any major physical issues through a relaxed approach
How the greatest drummers' playing reflects their personalities, from Gadd to Guiliana to Ferrone to Copeland to Ringo
01:32:0120/01/2022
351 - Kenny Aronoff: Eight Steps to a Healthy Life, Early days with John Mellencamp, Staying Focused on 1 or 2 Things Until Perfected
Kenny has entertained millions of people with his drumming all across the world, played on thousands of records, provided the beat of America’s culture for four decades, and has been the “go to” drummer for the biggest stars in music, ranging from John Mellencamp to Lady Gaga, Bob Dylan to The Smashing Pumpkins, and everyone in between!
In this episode, Kenny talks about:
Learning to focus on 1 or 2 things and making them perfect
Questions from a few of our Patreon members
James Osborne, Jimi Allison & Isaac Sanchez
Preparing every detail for TV performances
Work / Life balance
Eight Steps to a Healthy Life
His book “Sex, Drums, Rock n’ Roll”
Early days with John Mellencamp
Charlie Watts
01:47:3913/01/2022
350 - Brandon Bush: Drumming with Dark Water, MD'ing Musicals, "Make it Great...You Will Win"
As a studio musician, Brandon has performed on over 100 recordings including Grammy nominated and winning releases by John Mayer, Sugarland and Shawn Mullins. As a member of the multi-platinum-selling rock band Train, Brandon toured the world, indulging in his life-long rock and roll fantasy of performing a keyboard solo on a smoke-emitting Moog synthesizer.
These days, in addition to touring with country music mega stars Sugarland, Brandon is a member of the music collective Songs of the Architect where he works as a songwriter, composer and producer on a wide variety of projects including film, TV, gaming and media formats. In recent years, he and his brother Kristian have been collaborators in the original project Dark Water, as well as numerous musical theatre productions with Kristian as composer and Brandon as musical director.
In this episode, Brandon talks about:
The many responsibilities of being MD for a musical, from the micro (drum notation) to the macro (room tuning)
Being self-critical without being self-defeating
How taking 16th note interpretation out of the drummer's hands can strengthen a song/groove
Defining the word "swing," in conversation and within a song
Turning negative feelings (envy, bitterness, regret, etc.) into positive ones (gratitude, admiration, etc.)
"Correctness" vs. human-ness in music production
01:55:5006/01/2022
349 - Nick Buda: Nashville Session Powerhouse, Returning Guest After 7 Years, Bringing the Best Out of Every Song
Nick Buda was the featured artist on just the second ever Working Drummer podcast back in January 2015 and we are happy to have him back to talk about what he’s been up to and see what more we can learn from this super pro player.
Early in his career, Nick toured with such diverse artists as Edwin McCain, Hank Williams Jr., Jedd Hughes, Maia Sharp, Emily West, Col. Bruce Hampton and the Codetalkers and many others. Playing with these various artists has led to performing at so many great iconic venues such as the Grand Ole Opry along with TV appearances on many of the late night and daytime talk shows. It also led to a whole new side of Nick's career as a session drummer.
Nick's unique drumming style combines his delicate touch with a soulful r&b backbeat and an explosive energy, which adds depth and excitement to his tracks. His unmistakeable style infiltrates both live and studio settings putting him in high demand amongst the Music Row elite.
His playing is featured on country/pop sensation Taylor Swift's first 5 multi-platinum albums. This includes "Fearless", which won many Grammy's including Album Of The Year. Other artists Nick has recorded with include: Richard Marx, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Kenny Loggins, Lady Antebellum, Martina McBride and Randy Houser to name a few.
In this episode, Nick talks about:
How his perspective has changed since becoming a father and living through the pandemic
Good uses of social media
The effects of 2020
Working with Will Bowen and the band One Man Riot
How sessions work in Nashville
Bringing the best out of every song you record
The inspiration of Steve Gadd’s signature feel and personality
01:47:3924/12/2021
348 - Dave Elitch: New Additions to His Online Course, Incorporating Alexander Technique, "Making Your Body Disappear"
Dave Elitch first gained notoriety touring with the American progressive rock band The Mars Volta in 2009-2010. Since then he has lent his talents to Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, M83, The 1975, Juliette Lewis, Big Black Delta, and many others. An established LA session player, Dave has performed on various records, syncs, and film scores for major motion pictures, including “Trolls" and “Logan." He also conducts masterclass lectures worldwide and keeps a busy private teaching practice in Los Angeles. Dave has developed a reputation as the technique/body mechanic specialist and has helped many of the industry's top players and educators expand their vocabulary, overcome physical/mental barriers and get out of their own way.
In this episode, Dave talks about:
What's new in the latest additions to his online course
What The Alexander Technique is and how he has incorporated it into his approach
How the physical and the psychological can work with each other or against each other
How to be mindful without being obsessive
How diet plays into how your body works, both in the immediate and over time
01:33:4216/12/2021
347 - Joe Gilder: Home Studio Corner, Get It Right At The Source, Advice When Recording Drums
Joe Gilder is a musician, songwriter, and producer living in the Nashville area with his wife Pam and 3 kids.
Joe started Home Studio Corner back in 2009. Over the years, he's created thousands of pieces of content — videos, podcasts, articles, training courses, and more — all with the goal of helping home studio folks make better music.
In addition to Home Studio Corner, Joe's worked for Sweetwater and Presonus, as well as leading worship for a few churches in the Nashville area.
Looking for free help? Check out his YouTube channel as well as these free resources.
Looking to dive deeper? Check out my courses here.
In this episode, Joe talks about:
How “Home Studio Corner” got started and what it is
Advice for content creators
Get It Right At The Source - G.I.R.A.T.S.
What Joe loves about working with drummer Tim Horsley (WDP ep 025)
Advice when recording drums
Ideas for growing your home studio clientele
01:36:1509/12/2021