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Robert Peston and Steph McGovern follow the money to bring you insightful stories from the world of business and finance.
Who’s making money and who’s spending it? Who’s investing, and who’s innovating? How will AI affect the way we work and why are Saudi Arabia buying up sport? How can the UK economy recover its productivity and adapt for the future?
Steph and Robert tap their extensive business contacts to answer these questions and decode the jargon to help make sense of the financial world.
115. Trump Could Kill The Dollar
Jim O’Neill, the influential economist who created the BRICS concept, joins Robert to explain why he thinks Reeves’s controversial budget could yet be one of the most important for decades, how Trump could destroy the dollar’s priceless reserve currency status and his anxiety that Russia, China and India are abusing the BRICS brand he created for them.
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51:0925/11/2024
114. The End Of The G20?
Robert and Steph discuss their respective trips to Brazil - with the Prime Minister for the G20 summit - and Belfast - for lunch with Hillary Clinton; both of them involving conversations about leadership and the future of trade and democracy. Plus, reaction to the latest inflation figures.
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29:3821/11/2024
113. Dan Neidle: Labour Put Up The Wrong Taxes
Tax guru, Dan Neidle joins Steph and Robert to explain why the chancellor’s decision to increase employer’s national insurance was such a mistake, how capital gains tax should have been reformed and why farmers just have to trust their children if they want to avoid the new inheritance tax liability.
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45:2617/11/2024
112. What Trump’s Economics Means For Us
Steph and Robert discuss how the UK should respond to Trump’s economics, why business is falling out of love with Labour and whether Starmer’s plan for clean energy by 2030 is deliverable or sensible.
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36:4814/11/2024
111. What Would Happen If We Didn't Tax Anyone?
The Undercover Economist, Tim Harford joins Steph to answer your questions, including how a taxless society would operate, whether we can get ourselves out of economic mess by making different lifestyle choices and where butter mountains and wine lakes come from.
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43:3111/11/2024
110. Will Trump Make Us Richer Or Poorer?
Robert and Steph look at the risks and rewards of Trump’s radical plan to reshape America’s economy, they profile the unconventional likely next Treasury Secretary in a Trump administration, they explain how Trump could blow up Rachel Reeves’s budget and they highlight how crypto is huge in US politics and non-existent in European.
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35:2808/11/2024
109. How Can We Make Taxes Pay?
What do beards, bachelors and windows have in common? Financial Times Columnist, Tim Harford takes us on a tax tour. And with £40 billion pounds worth of tax rises coming our way, Tim chats to Steph about what difference they’ll make and whether we’ll get the growth Labour want.
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45:4207/11/2024
108. Rachel Reeves Has Made An Important Start
Robert and Steph chat to former Chief Economist of the Bank of England, Andy Haldane, about whether the Chancellor took enough risks in her budget, whether many economists are being too gloomy about the outlook for productivity and wages, and why we need a revolution in our schools and universities.
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51:0204/11/2024
107. Rachel Reeves: “We Don’t Need To Come Back And Ask For More”
Robert and Steph hear from the Chancellor about how she shaped her history-making budget, why she won’t be coming back for much more tax in future budgets, why the IFS is wrong to say she’ll have to top up departmental resources in the coming spending review and what she has to say to the business owners who will bear the brunt of the tax raises.
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34:1101/11/2024
106. How Much Pain Is Rachel Reeves Inflicting?
Was the budget too harsh on small and medium businesses? How much pain will ‘working people’ feel from the tax changes? Is the OBR right that this mega budget won’t increase the size of the economy over five years? Steph and Robert discuss.
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39:2831/10/2024
105. What You Need To Know To Judge The Budget
Robert and Steph assess Reeves’ ambitions for the most important budget since the 1980s, whether hypothecated taxes work, and how Russia, China and India are plotting the biggest attack on America's economic power in history.
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53:2828/10/2024
104. Martin Lewis: Are we better off under Labour?
Martin Lewis, the MoneySavingExpert, joins Robert and Steph to crunch the numbers on how Labour got it wrong on the winter fuel payment, the scandal of councils’ vicious debt collection, how schools are failing our children and why, despite suing Facebook, scammers are still getting away with using his face.
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50:4323/10/2024
103. It’s Time To Live With Higher Inflation
Steph and Robert talk to leading economist and investor Mohamed El-Erian about how growth is the only solution to our national debt burden, how he would re-write the fiscal rules to allow for much more public investment and why central banks must increase their inflation targets from 2% to 3%
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47:1920/10/2024
102. Anthony Scaramucci: The Truth About Trump’s Economic Madness
Former Trump staffer and The Rest Is Politics US host, Anthony Scaramucci joins Steph and Robert to explain why Trump’s planned interference with the Fed would wreck the US economy, why America’s billionaires like Musk don’t care and why he’s backing Harris.
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56:4616/10/2024
101. How Rachel Reeves Will Re-Write Fiscal Rules
What options does Rachel Reeves have to allow for more investment, how can we be more productive as a service economy and does the NHS have a management problem? Steph and Robert answer your questions.
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38:2413/10/2024
100. John McDonnell's Alternative Autumn Budget
Robert and Steph are joined by former Shadow Chancellor of The Exchequer, John McDonnell, to discuss what he thinks Rachel Reeves should and shouldn't do in the upcoming budget, how child poverty should be Labour's number one priority, and how he feels about this Labour government in general.
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43:1309/10/2024
99. How To Stop Big Tech Damaging Mental Health
Robert speaks to economist Danny Blanchflower about the surge in mental ill-health among young people, which his global research shows is linked to the proliferation of smart phones since 2014. As a former member of the Bank of England’s MPC, he also talks about what’s gone wrong at the Bank.
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34:4106/10/2024
98. Why Reeves Is Struggling To Find Taxes
Robert and Steph discuss how changing pensions tax relief in Rachel Reeves’s budget could lead to strikes by public sector workers, why putting up capital gains tax rates may see less money raised by government and why private equity giant Blackstone is investing £10bn in the North East to build the biggest AI data centre in Europe.
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36:5902/10/2024
97. The Economics of Happiness
Robert and Steph are joined by Lord Richard Layard, a 90 year old economist who has dedicated his life to researching and encouraging politicians to consider the happiness of their populations when taking decisions.
They also discuss whether faster growing economies increase wellbeing and how the presence of women in politics has positive effects on the people who live in those countries (most of the time).
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34:3429/09/2024
96. Will The Autumn Budget Cure Our Blues?
Robert and Steph discuss how the Treasury can encourage more investment to fix the economy and public services, why the Bank of England didn’t cut interest rates and isn’t doing more to stimulate growth, and whether the government is right to force employers to allow us to work from home.
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33:0925/09/2024
95. The Children's Homes Scandal: Part Two
Robert and Steph catch up after the huge response we’ve had to the Children’s Services special episode and ask the Secretary of State for Education, Bridget Philipson, how she intends to fix the shocking crisis currently involving the hundreds of millions of pounds of profit being made each year on the care of children at the taxpayer’s expense.
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43:2922/09/2024
94. How To Fix Education
Secretary of State for Education, Bridget Phillipson tells us her plans to solve: the skills gap, teacher’s pay needs, early years childcare provision, further education underfunding, the rising demand for SEN services, the forgotten third (kids who fail maths and English GCSE), plus Robert and Steph’s biggest obsession; how do you make sure schools prepare young people for the world of work.
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45:3918/09/2024
93. The Children's Homes Scandal
A special episode on the hundreds of millions of pounds of profit disappearing out of our children's homes and into the hands of private investors. With four out of five owned by private companies, and some ultimately owned by private equity firms and sovereign wealth funds, Robert and Steph look at why our cash strapped councils are forking out so much and what needs to be done to make sure our most vulnerable children are not losing out.
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41:5315/09/2024
92. Are Labour’s economic plans in trouble?
Robert and Steph discuss how Starmer and Reeves made such a mess of scrapping the winter fuel payment, whether they were also wrong to abolish the social care cap and the risks of their new protections for workers.
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39:2611/09/2024
91. Should everyone get free money?
Robert and Steph look at the pros and cons of a Universal Basic Income. They also answer your questions on increasing the income tax threshold to £20k and discuss whether concert goers are being ripped off.
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38:0108/09/2024
90. How Billionaires Think
Robert and Steph are joined by polling guru Nate Silver to discuss how Silicon Valley investors and tech billionaires are a breed apart from politicians and journalists, how they measure risks before making huge bets, and what we can learn from them.
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42:4304/09/2024
89. Why are so many young people struggling to get a job?
With joblessness amongst young people the highest it’s been for a decade, Lauren Mistry from Youth Employment UK talk exclusively to Robert and Steph about the disturbing findings of their Youth Voice Census.
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46:4501/09/2024
88. Why are Labour drip-feeding us the bad news?
Steph and Robert discuss Keir Starmer’s gloomy speech that set the tone for a ‘painful’ Autumn budget, look at why short selling the stock market isn’t always a bad thing and team up with The Rest Is Entertainment to discover why celebrities are launching so many alcohol brands.
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39:4928/08/2024
87. Will Labour Scrap Council Tax?
Steph is joined by economics commentator Grace Blakeley to answer your questions, including what a world without landlords would look like, how Labour might reform council tax and whether community fundraising would help improve local infrastructure.
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41:2725/08/2024
86. The 'Capitalist Lie': who's really in control?
This week Steph is joined by economics author Grace Blakeley who argues that capitalism is not what we think it is. They discuss whether we really are in a free market and what that means for the government's plans like the National Wealth Fund. Plus, whether there can ever be equality with a two tier education system.
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44:4821/08/2024
85. The most important Industrial Revolution in history
Robert and Steph are joined by Azeem Azhar, influential tech thinker, to discuss how disruptive artificial intelligence is changing business forever, our need to rethink entire economic structures at the point of singularity and how Elon Musk went from being just another Silicon Valley geek partygoer to the most powerful billionaire in history.
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47:0818/08/2024
84. Why inflation hits the poorest hardest
What actually is ‘cheapflation’? Are higher rental costs anti-business? What would happen if we stopped trying to control inflation and just let it run its course? Robert and Steph answer your questions.
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36:4214/08/2024
83. Do the UK riots benefit Elon Musk?
How does hate speech on X impact Elon Musk’s business and why is he suing advertisers? What do we mean when we say that the UK is a “services economy”? Should you pay less VAT in poorer areas? Robert and Steph answer your questions.
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40:1111/08/2024
82. Stock market turmoil: is it time to panic?
Karen Ward, a Chief Market Strategist for EMEA at one of the world's leading financial institutions, JP Morgan Asset Management, as well as a former advisor to an ex chancellor, joins Steph and Robert to discuss turmoil in world markets, whether the US is heading for recession, where interest rates should settle and how to fix the British economy.
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47:4208/08/2024
81. Can Starmer’s mission-led government fix the economy?
Mariana Mazzucato, who created the concept of "mission-led government", talks to Robert and Steph about Labour’s five missions and whether they will work, what Rachel Reeves should have done instead of her spending audit announcement and how devolved powers can change a government’s mission.
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47:1404/08/2024
80. Which taxes will Rachel Reeves raise?
Dan Neidle, the man described as a "tax dodger's worst enemy", joins Steph and Robert to discuss the options Rachel Reeves has to fill the £22bn black hole in the publics finances at her 30 October budget, how to reform our crazy tax system and why the cowboys who devise tax avoidance scams are rarely punished.
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50:3302/08/2024
79. The Plan To Get Britain Back To Work
The number of people who’ve left the Labour force because of mental and physical ill health is at record levels. It means employers can’t hire the people they need, the country is dependent on immigration and the costs of disability benefits are soaring. Former Labour Health Secretary Alan Milburn has a plan to fix this, which he discusses with Steph and Robert.
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45:0228/07/2024
78. What impact would another Trump presidency have on the UK?
How much will a new US president hurt or help our economy? Where will Rachel Reeves find the money to fill an enormous hole in the public finances that she’ll reveal next week? Will her new 'Covid Czar' be able to recover billions from dodgy Covid deals and furlough fraud? Robert and Steph answer your questions
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43:4924/07/2024
77. What do small businesses think about the new worker’s rights?
Robert and Steph are joined by one of the most famous investors in the United Kingdom, Deborah Meaden, to hear about her conversation with Keir Starmer on the future of business, what it’s like to be an investor on Dragon’s Den, and the key criteria she looks for when backing an entrepreneur with a bright idea.
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35:0221/07/2024
76. Is Labour's King's Speech bold enough?
Sir Keir Starmer says his big ambitions are to rebuild prosperity and trust. What new laws did he propose in the King’s speech? Will they work and are they enough? Robert and Steph are joined by Alastair Campbell from The Rest Is Politics on a crossover episode of The Rest Is Money.
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40:5018/07/2024
75. Bank of England Economist: Interest rates must be cut
Economist and external member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee, Swati Dhingra talks to Robert and Steph about why she thinks the time has come to lower Bank Rate, the interest rate set by the Bank of England that determines the cost of borrowing and savings rates for all of us.
She discusses the heavy responsibility of deciding how much money the British public have in their pockets and discusses where interest rates are likely to settle for the next ten years or longer. The Rest Is Money also examines with her why the Bank of England was too slow to raise interest rates when the inflationary surge began and whether monetary policy can be adapted to meet the different needs of the UK’s regions
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44:2214/07/2024
74. Labour’s first economic move in government
Does capitalism only work if people continue to be poor? How can we encourage young people to contribute to their pension? What do we know so far about Labour's economic policy? Steph and Robert answer your questions.
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47:0110/07/2024
73. What will Keir Starmer do now?
Robert and Steph debrief after an incredibly dramatic week in politics, discussing the new cabinet appointments, what it’s like to ask a question at a Prime Minister’s press conference and how the markets reacted to the results of the General Election.
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35:3107/07/2024
72. Polling Day Special: What happens if Labour fail?
How would Great British Energy actually work? Could the Lib Dems become the official opposition? What would Robert and Steph do if they were in charge of the budget? The Rest Is Money team answer the questions that matter, on our General Election special.
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46:0503/07/2024
71. How could our money be better spent within the NHS?
Robert and Steph answer your questions including, how do we measure our productivity in the UK? Why didn’t the Bank of England cut interest rates? How much of what we invest actually come back to the Exchequer?
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35:0801/07/2024
70. What’s Labour’s plan for growth?
How do Labour plan to grow the economy? Would Shein be allowed to float on the London Stock Exchange? Will regulating AI boost productivity without costing jobs? Robert and Steph are joined by the Shadow Secretary of State for Business and Trade, Jonathan Reynolds to find out.
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53:4126/06/2024
69. Does debt really matter?
Is this the first time since Brexit that the UK has something that the EU actually needs? What would happen if capital gains tax was applicable on all property? Do we need to increase the tax burden by to get better public services? Robert and Steph answer your questions.
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31:2923/06/2024
68. Election Tax Special: What do political parties want to do with your money?
Who are the "working people" that Keir Starmer has promised no tax increases for? Would Reform UK send the markets into a spiral if they got into power? How would the Green Party raise money to fund their ambitious net zero pledges? Robert and Steph examine the manifestos and provide answers to the big tax questions.
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43:4718/06/2024
67. The Labour Manifesto: Is it really pro-business?
How can Labour avoid austerity? What are the party’s plans for education? Can Labour position themselves as the party of wealth creation? Join Robert and Steph as they break down the Labour manifesto in this episode of The Rest is Money.
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43:3114/06/2024
66. The Conservative Manifesto: what would they do with your money?
What are the Tories planning if they win the General Election on July 4th? Can they really raise enough money from welfare and tax avoidance to cover their promises? What is the purpose behind cutting national insurance again? Robert and Steph break down the 76 page Conservative manifesto to find out if the maths really do add up.
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45:5112/06/2024