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Chris Vernon and David Jacoby discuss all the news, trends, and transactions happening in the NBA. They also offer their on-court analysis, and occasionally get into heated debates.
Nikola Jokic Should Be the MVP. Plus: Wacky Western Conference Seeding and the Buyout Period Ends.
Verno and KOC start this Friday off talking about who’s left in the MVP pool and why Jokic’s case is the strongest (0:30). Then they get into Thursday’s contentious Clippers-Suns game and the swirling uncertainty over how seeding could shake out in the Western Conference (10:32), Victor Oladipo’s knee injury (24:39), and the impending overhaul of the Kings (27:17). Finally, as the buyout period ends, they mention any names that could still get bought out, look back at the transactions that were made (35:34), and examine the current Eastern Conference standings (44:30).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
Associate Producer: Sasha Ashall
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01:07:5909/04/2021
Which Teams Are Surging and Which Are Faltering Heading Into the NBA Season’s Final Stretch?
As the stretch run approaches, Verno and KOC talk about the teams that are surging toward the postseason and those that are falling behind. The Utah Jazz haven’t let up with their 3-heavy playing style (0:24) and the Brooklyn Nets have plenty of options for different matchups in the postseason (17:32). Then they talk about how Aaron Gordon looks like the glue between Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic (28:00), Ben Simmons falling short in recent weeks (39:27), this year’s Warriors hurtling toward basketball hell (51:21), and more!
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
Associate Producer: Sasha Ashall
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01:19:5406/04/2021
Who’s to Blame for the Celtics’ Underwhelming Season? Plus: LaMarcus Aldridge Starts for the Nets and the Clippers Overhaul Their Culture
Verno and KOC get into all the league business this Friday, starting with LaMarcus Aldridge heading straight to the starting five for the Brooklyn Nets (0:30) and Miami’s continued high level of play (11:28). Then they get into Aaron Gordon’s fantastic debut games for the Nuggets (33:35) and their win over a full-strength Clippers team that has made some serious culture changes over the past year (38:26). Finally, they talk about what has gone so desperately wrong with the Boston Celtics (49:08), what Patrick Williams could do for the Bulls’ future (1:06:03), and the NCAA Final Four (1:12:20).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
Associate Producer: Sasha Ashall
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01:22:4302/04/2021
The Nets and Lakers Fortify Their Rosters on the Buyout Market. Plus: Zion Williamson's Monster Performance Against the Mavericks.
Verno and KOC start off by talking about the biggest signings from the buyout market, with LaMarcus Aldridge going to the Nets and Andre Drummond going to the Lakers (0:30). Then they get into Zion Williamson’s monster game against the Mavericks (26:52), Tyrese Haliburton making a run at Rookie of the Year with LaMelo hurt (38:57), the top three contenders in the East (46:23), and the latest on the men’s NCAA tournament (58:26).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:10:3330/03/2021
The Mismatch’s Trade Deadline Postmortem
This Friday, Verno and KOC get into the most active trade deadline in NBA history, starting with the unexpected trade of Nikola Vucevic from the Magic to the Bulls (3:00). Then they get into the addition of Aaron Gordon to the Nuggets (18:00), the Lakers, Heat, and 76ers passing on Kyle Lowry (27:55), Miami’s strategically significant trade for Victor Oladipo (35:25), Portland’s sneaky addition of Norman Powell (46:45), the somewhat baffling Rajon Rondo for Lou Williams trade (57:50), and more!
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:12:2926/03/2021
The Mismatch's Trade Deadline Preview. Plus: The Bucks Are Back and Steve Kerr’s Comments on 'Real Ones.'
Verno and KOC are back with all the potential trades you need to know about before the trade deadline this Thursday. First up: The Lakers have made Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Montrezl Harrell available in trade conversations and are still interested in Andre Drummond (4:00). The Bucks look like they’re back to their elite level after their invigorating trade for PJ Tucker (9:24). Next, they talk about where Aaron Gordon could end up at the deadline (14:07) and whether Kyle Lowry will get traded to the 76ers, the Heat, or at all (31:10). Then they talk about whether the Pelicans should trade Lonzo Ball when he’s the only player trying on the defensive end of the floor (42:00). Finally, they talk about the controversy and drama surrounding Steve Kerr’s recent comments on 'Real Ones' on 'The Ringer NBA Show' with Logan Murdock and Raja Bell (50:14).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:21:0723/03/2021
The Hawks’ and Timberwolves’ Midseason Coaching Changes Have Paid Off. Plus: The Trade Deadline Approaches and KOC’s 2021 Draft Guide Drops.
Verno and KOC dive into the recent success of the Hawks and Timberwolves, who both replaced their head coaches midseason, and how a coach can unlock players’ talents and effort (6:52). Then they wonder whether the Pelicans will ever figure it out with Steven Adams and Eric Bledsoe, who simply aren’t setting the example needed from veterans (24:23), and whether Sacramento will let go of any of its players at the trade deadline (45:56). And at last they take a look at the first iteration of KOC’s 2021 NBA Draft Guide as the first round of March Madness commences (51:54).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:04:4819/03/2021
The Charlotte Hornets Are Taking the League by Swarm. Plus: Chris Paul’s Gas Tank Is Still Full and the Hawks Look Rejuvenated.
Verno and KOC go all the way around the league this Tuesday starting in sunny Miami where Jimmy Butler could be playing himself into the MVP conversation (0:30), and moving on to the team that’s taking the league by swarm, the Charlotte Hornets (6:00), and Atlanta’s comeback in the thus-far-successful Nate McMillan era (10:50). Then they quick-hit the Knicks (19:34), Lakers (32:00), and Blazers (39:42) before diving deep into the success of the Chris Paul–led Phoenix Suns (43:37).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:25:2616/03/2021
Would You Rather Have LaMelo Ball or Ja Morant? Plus: Full Slate of NBA Games and LaMarcus Aldridge and PJ Tucker Are on the Market.
Verno and KOC first get into a little beef this Friday because Kevin said he would take LaMelo Ball over Ja Morant on 'Ringer NBA University' (0:45). Then they get into all the games that have happened since the second half of the season commenced, including the 76ers’ bench win over the Bulls (21:07), the Pelicans' icky loss to the Timberwolves (24:06), Aleksej Pokusevski’s first NBA start for the Thunder against the Mavericks (36:05), Tony Snell’s death knell to beat the Raptors (47:34), Kyrie’s incredible game against the Celtics (49:32), and the Bucks looking better than ever against the Knicks (54:05). Finally, they discuss whether they’d rather have newly available LaMarcus Aldridge or PJ Tucker on a winning team (57:05) and Caris LeVert’s return to the court after a surgery to remove a mass on his kidney (67:10).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:15:3212/03/2021
What Can Blake Griffin Add to the Brooklyn Nets? Plus: KOC’s Midseason Power Rankings
Verno and KOC discuss their reactions to the All-Star Game (0:25) and what, if anything, Blake Griffin has left in the tank to pursue a championship with the Brooklyn Nets (9:20). Then they dive deep into several aspects of KOC’s NBA midseason power rankings (20:20), including whether Jamal Murray is on a hot streak or making the leap (22:35), Bam Adebayo having the best season of his career (26:45), Kyle Lowry’s future with the Raptors (30:25), what team Victor Oladipo could end up on (35:00), interest from multiple teams in the G League’s Alize Johnson (45:05), and much more.
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:06:1109/03/2021
Can Jrue Holiday Help the Bucks Break Their Postseason Slump? Plus: Surprises and Disappointments at the Halfway Mark, and Mailbag!
Verno and KOC start off the podcast with the shady-as-all-hell All-Star draft in which the two Jazz stars were chosen last (0:30) before getting into what Jrue Holiday adds to the Bucks' postseason potential (10:00) and wondering what's up with all these young players getting ejected for complaining about the refereeing (23:30). Then they talk about the best surprises and worst disappointments of the first half of the season (28:50) and where Blake Griffin might be headed after getting bought out by the Pistons (46:25). Finally, they open up the mailbag and answer some listener questions (48:40).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Connor
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01:15:3005/03/2021
Hawks Fire Lloyd Pierce, Zion Williamson Is a Force of Nature, and the Nets Still Have Higher Levels to Reach
Verno and KOC get into all the factors that led to the Atlanta Hawks firing head coach Lloyd Pierce midseason and what this Hawks team’s ceiling can be moving forward (0:30). After the Pelicans' exhilarating win over the Jazz, they look into the roster and leadership decisions that still need to be made in order to maximize the Pelicans’ potential (14:00). Then they discuss Brooklyn slicing and dicing its way through the league over the past couple of weeks and the even higher levels of play the Nets can reach once Kevin Durant returns (28:30), what Julius Randle and RJ Barrett are doing for the Knicks (39:00), Malik Monk and LaMelo Ball’s production on the Hornets (51:00), and the steep decline of the Sacramento Kings (58:00).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:09:0502/03/2021
Ben Simmons Devastates Luka Doncic and the Pelicans Are Confusing As Ever. Plus: Coach Malone Put His Foot in His Mouth, and Mailbag!
Verno and KOC are back this Friday covering the Bucks' win over the Pelicans and what makes the Pelicans the most confusing team in the NBA (4:30), Michael Malone’s ill-advised comments after the Nuggets lost a tough one to the Wizards (18:00), Ben Simmons's devastating defense stifling Luka Doncic (27:00), and G League player Jonathan Kuminga making a name for himself on the Ignite team (34:40). Then they delve into the mailbag to answer questions about basketball, life, video games, and more (40:45).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:01:0026/02/2021
Do the Wizards Have a Chance at the Playoffs? Plus: the Timberwolves’ Future, All-Star Reserves, and More
Verno and KOC are back this Tuesday getting into the Wizards’ overtime win over the Lakers and five-game winning streak that raises the question of whether the team’s newfound success will last (0:30). Then they talk about what the Timberwolves can do to salvage this season and their future (17:00), whether Houston should rebuild or try for the playoffs (25:30), their picks for All-Star reserves (37:00), and more.
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Connor
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01:00:1323/02/2021
Luka Doncic Snags an All-Star Starter Position Over Damian Lillard. Plus: Blazers, Celtics, Jazz, Nets, and Mailbag!
Verno and KOC take a look at the All-Star starters and talk about the inclusion of Luka Doncic over Damian Lillard (1:00), then get into the injury-riddled Blazers and Lillard’s incredible effort (13:00). After that they jump around the league and hit the Celtics and what pieces they might still need (32:00), Utah’s continued dominance through a tough section of its schedule (36:00), and the Nets' win over the Lakers (38:30) before answering a few listener questions (48:00).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:11:1019/02/2021
The Dominant Jazz, the Faltering Hawks, and the Rising Suns
Verno and KOC have so much to talk about this week. They get into the Utah Jazz just dominating the league (1:00), Julius Randle’s 44-point game (16:30), and the Hawks taking a nosedive in recent weeks with De'Andre Hunter out (26:30). Then they talk about the Suns’ success with Devin Booker and Chris Paul (45:00), AD’s injury (50:30), and Draymond Green’s comments about Andre Drummond and Blake Griffin being benched after their teams made them available for trades (56:00).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:16:4816/02/2021
Zach Lowe on the Teams He’s Most Surprised by This Season, All-Star Voting, Joel Embiid, and More
ESPN’s Zach Lowe stops by to talk with Verno and KOC about how he got into sports journalism (0:45), the teams he’s most surprised by this season (20:00), the state of his All-Star ballot (31:45), Joel Embiid’s monster season (51:00), and quite a lot more.
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
Guest: Zach Lowe
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01:06:0612/02/2021
LaMelo Ball and the Instant Impact of NBA Rookies. Plus: Appreciating Dejounte Murray, Steph Curry, and De’Aaron Fox.
Verno and KOC take a tour around the league, starting with LaMelo Ball's success in Charlotte (3:00) and what factors play into the increasingly early success of young players over the past decade (11:00). Then they jet over to San Antonio, where Dejounte Murray led the Spurs to victory over the Warriors (28:36) and Steph Curry continued to make a fringe case for MVP (31:30). Finally, they hit Utah to discuss an underappreciated Jazz team (34:40), Boston to parse through trade whispers (37:45), and Sacramento to acknowledge De’Aaron Fox’s bona fide star power (51:15).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:15:3809/02/2021
Six Players Who Deserve More Recognition This Season. Plus: LeBron James's Comments on NBA All-Star Plans.
Verno and KOC are back this Friday talking about Adam Silver’s LeBron James–induced headache over the NBA’s All-Star plans in Atlanta (0:30) and James's MVP-level performance against the Nuggets on Thursday night (18:05). Then KOC officially hits the panic button on the struggling Dallas Mavericks, as Kristaps Porzingis continues to play below expectations (28:16). And finally, KOC and Verno give some love to six players who deserve more shine for their achievements this season (41:30).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:11:3605/02/2021
What’s Holding the Dallas Mavericks Back From Reaching Their Full Potential?
Verno and KOC get into LaMelo Ball’s first start and Malik Monk’s fantastic play in the Hornets’ win over the Heat, as well as how the Heat haven’t been putting the pedal to the metal this season after their Finals run (7:23). Then they talk about what is causing the Mavericks to perform below expectations, including worse shooting than last season and Kristaps Porzingis’s inability to stay on the court and play at a high level (16:26). They take a look at this hungry Rockets team (32:36), the Grizzlies’ winning streak (38:30), the Pelicans’ issues (47:45), and why Bradley Beal likely won’t be traded this season (1:03:37).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:15:1802/02/2021
How Christian Wood, Jerami Grant, and Mikal Bridges Are Lifting Up Their Teams
On this Friday, Chris and Kevin get into the new-look, defensively minded Rockets after the James Harden trade brought them Victor Oladipo (8:00), how good Jerami Grant looks on the "giant killer" Pistons (15:25), and what Mikal Bridges brings to the bright-now Suns (21:35). Then Chris shows us his diamond hands in a game of Do Not Sell, where he invites KOC to buy low on some of the players whose stock is going straight to the moon (30:30).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Connor
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01:00:3329/01/2021
Jaylen Brown Is Making The Leap Towards Greatness Before Our Eyes
Chris and Kevin start off by reflecting on the legacy of the late great Kobe Bryant a year after his death (3:00). Then they get into the pure fun of the Lakers-Cavaliers game Monday night where LeBron James went for 46 points in a dominant performance (12:15). And in an episode all about the surprises of the season, a not-so-surprising surprise is that LeBron James has not been coasting early, and the Lakers look like the clear favorites (14:30), but the Clippers are not too far behind with Kawhi and Paul George playing out of their minds after faltering in the bubble (18:45). Other surprises of the season include the little amount of separation between teams and how many teams are trying to make a playoff run this season (22:45), Tom Thibodeau’s defensive impact on the Knicks (29:30), Jaylen Brown’s explosion towards greatness (37:00), and the NBA’s plans for a potential All-Star Weekend in Atlanta in February (46:00). And finally, Chris and Kevin give their awards predictions a quarter of the way into the season (51:45).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:08:1026/01/2021
Why Are the Pelicans Playing So Far Below Their Potential This Season?
Chris and Kevin get into the most interesting games of the week, starting with the Lakers’ lackadaisical win over the not-quite-complete Bucks (0:45). Then they get into Tom Thibodeau’s continually surprising positive effect on the Knicks after a win over the Warriors (18:35), the difference in development between RJ Barrett and Zion Williamson, and the Pelicans’ struggles this season (30:00). Finally, they get into the generally unremarked-upon success of the Utah Jazz and Shaq’s bizarre interaction with Donovan Mitchell after their win over the Pelicans (44:00), and the late-night trade of Kevin Porter Jr. from the Cavaliers to the Rockets for a protected second-round pick (54:00).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:16:2122/01/2021
Are the Suns Getting the Most Out of Devin Booker?
Chris and Kevin dive into the emerging story lines in the league, starting with how James Harden and KD played together against the Bucks on Monday (1:00), how CJ McCollum’s injury, in conjunction with Nurkic’s injury, will affect Portland’s playoff aspirations (12:15), and Jamal Murray’s disconcerting step down from his bubble play in contrast to Paul George’s step up (16:45). Then they talk about whether the Suns are getting the most out of Devin Booker (29:00), how the Grizzlies are playing with Ja Morant back in the fold (37:00), and the Warriors’ win over the Lakers on Monday (50:30).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:14:0319/01/2021
What Does the James Harden Trade Say About How the NBA Has Changed?
Chris and Kevin discuss the details of the intricate and wide-reaching James Harden trade on Wednesday (0:40). Then they get into a conversation about what the nature of Harden’s trade request says about the changes that have occurred across the NBA and NBA coverage, including player empowerment, the media boom, and shifts in fandom (12:30). They cap it all off with a conversation about the specific on-court and off-court chemistry concerns for the Nets with their new star-studded roster (40:30).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:13:5915/01/2021
An NBA Game of "Do You Believe…?"
Since it’s still early in the season, Chris and Kevin play a game of “Do You Believe..?” to discuss emerging trends across the NBA.
Do you believe that the season will go on without having to take a long stoppage or delay for a period of time? (3:10)
Do you believe that the Nets are not going to be able to reach their best? (8:20)
Do you believe that the Raptors can get it together? (17:59)
Do you believe LaMelo Ball will run away with Rookie of the Year? (20:46)
Do you believe Jerami Grant is proving he’s more than a role player? (26:56)
Do you believe that Zion Williamson will ascend to superstardom like we thought? (32:21)
Do you believe that Bradley Beal could be moved? (40:48)
Do you believe that Cade Cunningham from Oklahoma State is the guy and there will be no argument about who will go no. 1 in the draft? (46:08)
Do you believe that 1 percent of NBA fans could name the Oklahoma City Thunder coach? (51:02)
Do you believe that Jimmy Page, Eddie Van Halen, and Jimi Hendrix are the three best guitarists ever? (54:21)
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:07:5112/01/2021
Biggest Surprises From the NBA Season So Far
Chris and Kevin take a look at how the COVID-19 protocols are working after Seth Curry’s positive test (5:07) and at the massive leak from the Hawks’ locker room reported by The Athletic (13:14). Then they get into the biggest surprises of the NBA season so far, including the Brogdon-and-Sabonis-led Pacers glow-up (31:43), Lou Dort’s stellar 3-point shooting (37:43), Julius Randle’s Knicks (47:14), and more.
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:08:0608/01/2021
Can Steph Curry and the Warriors Reach the Postseason?
Chris and Kevin go through all the big games and story lines in the NBA, kicking it off with a discussion about Tom Thibodeau’s 4-3 Knicks and their win over the Hawks on Monday (0:39). Then they get into Steph Curry’s incredible performance over the past couple of games and what the Warriors need to do to reach the postseason (15:30), the Kings’ abysmal start to the season (27:31), and Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum’s tag-team takedown of the Raptors (36:16).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:10:1605/01/2021
Ten Early Season Observations
Verno and KOC talk about 10 observations they've made in the early part of the season, including impressive showings from rookies Precious Achiuwa (18:18) and Tyrese Haliburton (34:45), hot starts by the Cavs (50:30) and Hawks (7:55), and much more.
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:08:3629/12/2020
The Mismatch’s 2020-21 NBA Season Preview
Verno and KOC go through the slew of extensions and deals that have and haven’t closed over the past week (0:36). Then they get into the 10 teams in each conference they think will make the playoffs and play-in (29:25) as well as their awards predictions (1:04:46).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:27:5922/12/2020
Nick Wright on James Harden, the Clippers, MVP Picks, and More
After Verno attends his first live basketball game in person since March, the boys get into the Grizzlies-Hawks game (0:47) and the Twitter kerfuffle last night about Ben Simmons potentially being available in a trade for James Harden (6:50). Then Nick Wright of ‘First Things First’ joins Verno and KOC to talk about how he got into the industry (20:19), the Harden situation (42:22), the Clippers' demise (50:43), the best teams in the Western Conference (57:46), and the bets he’s put down for the 2020-21 season (1:22:58).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
Guest: Nick Wright
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01:36:3618/12/2020
Giannis Contract Reaction and Five NBA Preseason Takeaways
Before the show, KOC gives his instant reactions to Giannis' brand new shiny contract with the Bucks (0:01). Then Verno and KOC get into the new Pelicans offense under Stan Van Gundy (5:52), Talen Horton-Tucker’s breakout preseason with the Lakers (13:32), the challenging conditions for rookies this season (25:34), the fun and fancy-free LaMelo Ball (32:27), the Bucks’ new roster (44:47), and much more.
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:04:2315/12/2020
Where in the League is James Harden Headed?
Verno and KOC start with Paul George’s shiny new contract with the Clippers (0:41), what in the world the Rockets can do with Harden (8:33), and Kyrie’s $25,000 fine levied by the NBA (18:40), before they get into the teams playing on the first day of preseason games (41:27).
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:14:3211/12/2020
Bill Simmons on the Harden Fiasco, Teams He’s High and Low on, Rookie of the Year Picks, and More
Bill Simmons joins Verno and KOC on the brand-new feed to talk about James Harden skipping training camp in favor of the strip club (0:45), the Brooklyn Nets (23:24), teams Bill is higher on and lower on than everyone else (29:18), KOC’s Rookie of the Year pick (40:22), and more.
Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
Guest: Bill Simmons
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01:08:1908/12/2020
Will Westbrook Help the Wizards? Plus: Lakers Loom Large and PG-13 Talks Trash
Verno and KOC get into the nitty gritty of the Westbrook-Wall trade (3:00), then talk over the latest news around the league, including the LeBron and AD signings (42:30), Paul George’s recent comments about his role on the Clippers, and the NBA season schedule.
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Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor
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01:11:5004/12/2020