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Welcome to The Growth System, the podcast that rethinks the way businesses approach B2B growth. Each week, we dive into a common organizational challenge or pattern that’s stalling growth in many companies. But here’s the twist—we re-examine these issues through the powerful lens of systems thinking. By connecting the dots between different parts of your business, we uncover deeper insights and actionable solutions you can implement to accelerate growth. Whether you're part of a growth team, a leader, or someone who just wants to think differently about scaling, The Growth System offers a fresh, strategic approach to help your business thrive. Tune in and start optimizing the way you grow—one system at a time.
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Total 8 episodes
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Innovative Solutions for Effective Budgeting
SummaryIn this episode, Colin and Chris explore the traditional budgeting process and its limitations, emphasising the need for a systems thinking approach. They discuss how conventional budgeting practices often yield unrealistic numbers, create silos within organisations, and focus excessively on cost control rather than fostering growth. The conversation highlights the importance of aligning budgeting with organisational health and strategic vision, and suggests innovative solutions such as agile budgeting and decentralised decision-making to enhance effectiveness and adaptability. This conversation explores innovative approaches to budgeting, emphasising agile methodologies, rolling forecasts, and value-driven strategies. The speakers discuss the importance of fostering communication across departments, balancing efficiency with adaptability, and the role of technology and data in modern budgeting practices. They also highlight the significance of aligning budgets with company vision and values, and the potential of predictive modeling to enhance decision-making processes.TakeawaysTraditional budgeting methods are often unrealistic and ineffective.Budgeting should reflect an organisation's health and priorities.The budgeting process creates competitive silos rather than collaboration.Budgeting is often viewed as a cost-control exercise rather than a growth enabler.Measurement myopia leads to neglect of intangible factors like morale and innovation.The annual budgeting cycle is inflexible and outdated.Decentralised budgeting can foster collaboration and responsiveness.Organisations need to pivot quickly to market changes with agile budgeting.Budgeting decisions have far-reaching consequences across departments.A systems thinking approach can improve budgeting outcomes. Agile budgeting fosters better communication and understanding across departments.Rolling forecasts allow for more responsive budgeting based on current realities.Data-driven insights should guide budgeting decisions for better outcomes.Value-driven budgeting aligns resources with corporate strategy and priorities.Balancing efficiency with adaptability is crucial for resilience in budgeting.The 70-20-10 model encourages innovation and flexibility in budget allocation.Empowering individuals to make decisions enhances organisational agility.Zero-based budgeting helps eliminate unnecessary expenses and promotes accountability.Aligning budgets with company vision ensures strategic coherence.Predictive modelling can mitigate risks associated with budgeting changes.Chapters00:00 Rethinking Budgets: A Systems Approach11:48 The Challenges of Traditional Budgeting24:06 The Impact of Budgeting on Organizational Health33:56 Innovative Budgeting Solutions for Growth35:37 Fostering Communication Across Departments36:06 Agile Budgeting: Navigating the Journey38:01 Rolling Forecasts and Data-Driven Insights39:52 Value-Driven Budgeting: Aligning Resources with Strategy40:53 Balancing Efficiency and Adaptability41:56 Innovation in Budgeting: The 70-20-10 Model44:06 Empowerment and Holistic Thinking in Budgeting45:00 The Importance of Flexibility in Budgeting46:57 Zero-Based Budgeting: A Fresh Perspective49:10 Strategic Alignment in Budgeting51:09 R&D and Innovation: Budgeting for the Future52:06 Best Practices for Agile Budgeting53:05 Feedback Mechanisms and Transparency55:57 Technology and Data in Modern Budgeting58:12 Aligning Budget with Company Vision01:00:00 Predictive Modeling in Budgeting
01:05:0019/11/2024
Rethinking Sales Targets in B2B Growth
SummaryIn this episode of The Growth System, Colin and Chris delve into the complexities of sales targets within the B2B landscape. They explore the purpose of sales targets, the process of setting them, and the often arbitrary nature of these targets. The conversation highlights the negative impact of sales targets on performance, the short-term focus they create, and the bad behaviours they can encourage among sales teams. Additionally, they discuss the relationship between sales targets and compensation plans, emphasising the need for a more holistic approach to sales performance measurement. In this conversation, Colin and Chris explore the complexities of sales targets, emphasising the need for a systematic approach to goal setting. They discuss the pitfalls of a revenue-focused mindset, the importance of customer success, and the detrimental effects of aggressive sales tactics on employee well-being and customer relationships. The dialogue culminates in a call for a more holistic view of performance metrics, advocating for a shift from traditional sales targets to a focus on systematic processes that drive sustainable growth.TakeawaysSales targets are often arbitrary and not based on reality.The process of setting sales targets is typically reverse engineered from desired outcomes.Sales targets can create a short-term focus that hampers long-term growth.Sales targets may lead to bad behaviors among salespeople, such as discounting.There is a disconnect between sales targets and actual market conditions.Sales targets are entrenched in the culture of B2B sales but may need reevaluation.Compensation plans should align with long-term goals rather than just hitting targets.Sales targets can negatively impact profitability and brand reputation.Sales teams often focus on net new logos at the expense of existing accounts.A systems thinking approach is necessary for effective sales target setting. Revenue focus can overshadow the importance of customer success.Sales targets often neglect the full spectrum of revenue sources.A systematic view of sales targets can reveal underlying issues.Aggressive sales tactics can lead to employee burnout and turnover.Longer sales cycles require different approaches to goal setting.Customer satisfaction improves when aggressive targets are removed.Sales targets should align with the overall business strategy.Setting process-focused goals can drive better outcomes.Understanding the history of sales targets can inform better practices.A holistic view of performance metrics is essential for growth.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Sales Targets and Systems Thinking03:03 The Purpose and Nature of Sales Targets06:09 The Process of Setting Sales Targets08:50 The Arbitrary Nature of Sales Targets12:12 The Impact of Sales Targets on Sales Performance14:55 Short-Term Focus and Its Consequences18:01 Sales Targets and Bad Behaviors21:10 The Relationship Between Sales Targets and Compensation Plans23:49 Conclusion and Future Considerations30:05 The Revenue Focus Dilemma33:05 Systems Thinking in Sales Targets40:59 Rethinking Sales Targets49:54 The Case for Systematic Goal Setting
58:0712/11/2024
From Wells Fargo to Apple: Lessons in Setting Metrics
SummaryIn this episode of The Growth System, Colin and Chris delve into the critical role of metrics in B2B growth, emphasising the need for careful consideration in their application. They discuss the potential dangers of misguided metrics, illustrated through real-world examples like Wells Fargo and the Cobra Effect. The conversation highlights the importance of aligning metrics with long-term strategic goals, advocating for a balance between quantitative and qualitative measures. The hosts also explore how to create a culture focused on customer delight, ensuring that metrics serve as tools for achieving broader organisational objectives rather than becoming the end goal themselves. In this conversation, Chris and Colin explore the complexities of organisational metrics, decision-making, and the importance of aligning goals across departments. They discuss the need for a culture of psychological safety to empower employees in customer service roles, the dangers of short-termism in goal setting, and the significance of understanding feedback loops within complex systems. The discussion also highlights various systems archetypes that can lead to complacency and misalignment, ultimately stressing the importance of a long-term vision for sustainable organisational health.TakeawaysMetrics can have harmful side effects if not carefully managed.Goodhart's Law illustrates the pitfalls of over-relying on metrics.The Cobra Effect shows how well-intentioned metrics can backfire.Qualitative metrics can provide deeper insights than purely quantitative ones.Setting goals with a long-term focus increases chances of success.Decoupling inputs and outputs helps in understanding performance issues.Customer delight should be a holistic goal, not just a metric.Cultural values can drive better outcomes than strict metrics.Metrics should be tools for strategy execution, not the strategy itself.Creating a culture of psychological safety enhances customer focus. Empowering employees leads to better customer service outcomes.Psychological safety fosters a culture of customer positivity.Long-term measurement of outputs is crucial for success.Goal conflict often arises from siloed departmental metrics.Composite metrics can obscure true organisational health.Negative feedback loops can lead to business collapse.Understanding feedback loops is essential in systems thinking.Causal loop diagrams can visualise complex interactions.Metrics should support strategic objectives, not overshadow them.A long-term vision is vital for operational health.Chapters00:00 The Importance of Metrics in B2B Growth02:59 Understanding the Dangers of Misguided Metrics06:13 The Cobra Effect: Unintended Consequences of Metrics09:06 Metrics as Tools for Strategy Execution12:01 The Role of Qualitative Metrics in Business14:56 How to Set Effective Metrics18:05 Creating a Culture of Customer Delight27:03 Empowering Decision-Making in Customer Service29:14 The Importance of Holistic Goal Alignment32:45 Understanding Organizational Complexity and Feedback Loops36:33 Systems Thinking: Archetypes and Their Implications41:55 Metrics: Tools for Good or Forces for Evil?43:30 Long-Term Vision vs. Short-Term Metrics
52:0405/11/2024
Escaping the Set and Forget Process Trap
SummaryIn this episode of The Growth System, Colin and Chris delve into the organisational trap of 'set and forget' processes, particularly in the context of automation. They discuss the mindset issues that lead to complacency in organisations, the importance of process discovery, and the need for a systems thinking approach to optimise processes. The conversation highlights the challenges of reductionism in process design and emphasises the necessity for holistic optimisation and democratisation of automation resources. Practical steps for continuous improvement are also outlined, providing listeners with actionable insights to enhance their organisational processes. In this conversation, Chris and Colin delve into the intricacies of systems mapping and process improvement. They discuss the importance of understanding interconnections within systems, the need for continuous improvement, and the significance of stakeholder collaboration. The dialogue emphasises a holistic approach to process design, focusing on flexibility, leverage points, and the emergent behaviour of systems. The speakers advocate for a mindset shift from siloed thinking to cross-functional collaboration to drive meaningful change and optimise overall system performance.TakeawaysOrganisations often fall into a 'set and forget' mindset.A task mindset limits the potential for process improvement.Complacency and lack of urgency hinder transformation efforts.Discovery of processes is often neglected in organisations.80% of automation opportunities go unidentified.Processes should be viewed as dynamic parts of a system.Feedback loops are crucial for process optimisation.Reductionism can obscure the bigger picture in process design.Holistic optimisation is necessary to avoid unintended consequences.Democratising automation resources can accelerate improvement efforts. System form can take many forms, including API connections and human interactions.Understanding the function of interconnections is key to process design.Mapping systems requires recognising dependencies and contingencies.Emergent behaviour of systems must be analysed for true performance insights.Continuous improvement should not lead to constant changes without understanding the impacts.Whole system optimisation is crucial for effective process improvement.Flexibility in processes allows for adaptation as business needs evolve.Identifying leverage points can maximise the impact of automation efforts.Cross-functional collaboration enhances understanding and efficiency in processes.A human-centred approach to process design is essential for meaningful change.Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Set and Forget Trap02:56 Mindset and Complacency in Organizations06:02 The Importance of Process Discovery08:50 Systems Thinking and Feedback Loops12:03 The Role of Automation in Process Improvement15:07 Challenges of Reductionism in Process Design18:07 The Need for Holistic Process Optimization20:58 Democratization of Automation Resources24:03 Practical Steps for Continuous Improvement28:39 Understanding Interconnections in Systems31:51 Reimagining Processes Through Systems Mapping33:18 Continuous Improvement and Information Access36:36 Whole System Optimization38:31 Building Flexibility into Processes40:45 Identifying Leverage Points for Automation42:47 Cross-Functional Collaboration for Process Improvement
51:2029/10/2024
How to avoid the allure of the shiny object when setting your strategy
SummaryIn this episode of The Growth System, Colin and Chris explore the phenomenon of shiny object syndrome in B2B companies, discussing how organisations can be seduced by new trends and technologies that may not align with their core competencies. They analyse Cisco's acquisition of the Flip video camera and GE's ambitious Predix platform, highlighting the strategic missteps and failures that resulted from a lack of purpose-driven strategy and poor decision-making frameworks. The conversation emphasises the importance of systems thinking in navigating complex business environments and avoiding costly mistakes.TakeawaysShiny object syndrome can lead to strategic failures.Purpose-driven strategy should guide decision-making.Cisco's acquisition of Flip was a significant misstep.GE's Predix platform struggled due to complexity.Companies must align new initiatives with core competencies.Bounded rationality can cloud decision-making.Effective goal setting is crucial for success.Agility is essential for internal startups.Information sharing helps teams stay on track.Systems thinking is vital for managing complexity.Chapters00:00 Navigating Shiny Object Syndrome in B2B04:05 Cisco's Flip Video Camera Acquisition: A Cautionary Tale22:17 GE's Predix: Ambition Meets Reality34:31 Bridging the Strategy to Execution Gap
46:0922/10/2024
How Thinking in Systems Can Unlock Sales and Marketing Alignment
SummaryIn this episode, Colin and Chris delve into the critical issue of sales and marketing alignment within B2B organisations. They explore the superficial nature of many alignment efforts, the significant costs associated with misalignment, and the impact of buyer journeys on organisational performance. The conversation emphasises the importance of technology, organisational culture, and clear goals in achieving true alignment. They also discuss the systems view of misalignment, identifying sources of the problem, and strategies for driving alignment, ultimately highlighting the need for a culture of collaboration and effective communication.TakeawaysSales and marketing alignment is often superficial.Misalignment can cost organisations significantly.The buyer journey is complex and often misunderstood.Technology can help bridge the gap between teams.Organisational culture plays a crucial role in alignment.Misalignment often starts at the board level.Clear goals and metrics are essential for alignment.Removing goal conflict can enhance performance.Access to timely information is critical for decision-making.A culture of collaboration is necessary for true alignment.Sound Bites"What does real sales and marketing alignment look like?""Superficial alignment masks a deeper disconnect.""Misalignment costs money and opportunity."Chapters00:00 Understanding Sales and Marketing Alignment03:07 The Cost of Misalignment05:54 The Impact of Buyer Journeys08:51 The Role of Technology in Alignment12:04 The Importance of Organizational Culture14:58 Identifying Sources of Misalignment17:56 The Systems View of Misalignment20:49 Strategies for Driving Alignment24:02 The Role of Goals and Metrics27:04 Leveraging Information for Better Decisions29:54 Creating a Culture of Collaboration32:49 Final Thoughts on Alignment
55:3215/10/2024
Can systems theory save us from the perils of the MQL?
SummaryIn this episode, Colin and Chris delve into the contentious topic of Marketing Qualified Leads (MQLs), exploring their definition, origins, and the myriad issues they present in B2B organisations. They discuss the friction between sales and marketing teams, the identity crisis of MQLs, and the systemic problems that arise from poorly defined metrics. The conversation shifts towards potential solutions, emphasising the importance of a clear qualification framework, the need for alignment between sales and marketing, and the value of layering data to create more meaningful MQLs. The episode concludes with key takeaways and a call to action for organisations to rethink their approach to MQLs.TakeawaysMQLs often create friction between sales and marketing teams.There is no universal definition of an MQL, leading to confusion.Not all MQLs are created equal; some are more valuable than others.The relationship between sales and marketing is crucial for growth.MQLs can become a vanity metric if not properly defined.A clear qualification framework is essential for effective MQLs.Layering data can enhance the quality of MQLs.Organizations should measure MQLs at an account level, not just contact level.Setting realistic targets can prevent manipulation of MQL metrics.Content strategy should align with MQL definitions to ensure quality leads.Sound Bites"Do MQLs get a bad rap?""MQLs often feel like the front line of battle.""MQLs are the corporate equivalent of a sports day medal."Chapters00:00 The MQL Debate Begins03:02 Defining MQLs and Their Origins06:14 The Problems with MQLs09:03 The Identity Crisis of MQLs12:02 The Relationship Between Sales and Marketing15:04 Exploring Solutions to MQL Issues21:12 The Importance of Qualification Frameworks24:06 Layering Data for Better MQLs29:59 Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways
50:4908/10/2024
Systems Explained: The Interconnected World of B2B Growth
SummaryIn this inaugural episode of The Growth System podcast, hosts Colin and Chris delve into the concept of systems thinking and its critical relevance to B2B growth. They explore what constitutes a system, the importance of understanding systems in organisational contexts, and how systems thinking can provide valuable tools for growth professionals. The discussion also clarifies the distinctions between systems thinking, systems dynamics, and systems engineering, emphasising the necessity of a holistic approach to navigate the complexities of modern business environments.TakeawaysSystems thinking is essential for understanding B2B growth.A system is defined by its interconnected elements and emergent properties.Growth teams often operate as subsystems within larger organizational systems.Understanding systems can help identify and solve organizational inefficiencies.Reductionism can hinder effective problem-solving in complex systems.Systems thinking provides a framework for navigating business complexities.The distinction between systems thinking and systems dynamics is crucial for application.Systems engineering focuses on the development of non-human systems.Holistic views are necessary to align the purposes of different subsystems.The podcast aims to explore practical applications of systems thinking in real-world scenarios.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Systems Thinking in B2B Growth03:22 Defining Systems and Their Importance07:30 The Relevance of Systems Thinking for Growth Professionals14:02 Distinguishing Systems Thinking from Related Concepts24:46 Conclusion and Future Topics
25:3401/10/2024