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Each week, wine media veteran Katherine Cole serves up and breaks down the four biggest stories in the vinous world with help from The Four Top team, including our contributing cohost, Martín Reyes, MW. Come for the headlines, stick around for the occasional bad pun, and savor the conversation. The Four Top is winner of both the James Beard and IACP awards for Best Culinary Podcast.
Ep. 80: Reenvisioning Food Media for an Equitable Future
As confederate statues have fallen in 2020, so, too, has racist and inequitable leadership within the food media establishment. We speak with three journalists who have led the call for change while raising the bar for food and beverage writing: Soleil Ho, Khushbu Shah, and Tammie Teclemariam.
55:2907/09/2020
Ep. 79: Food, Film, and Fiction
What are some of the most memorable food moments in film and fiction? Food journalist Nikita Richardson, YouTube phenom Andrew Rea (“Binging with Babish”) and historical-fiction author Crystal King fill us up with food-centric watching and reading recommendations.
42:1103/08/2020
Ep. 78: Why Veganism Matters Now
How has COVID-19 changed the public's perception of veganism? Why is the "Black Veganism" movement gaining traction right now? And how are vegans navigating the world differently in 2020? The Rev. Dr. Christopher Carter, Talia Pollock, and Waz Wu bring us up to speed on veganism's new guard.
50:2706/07/2020
Ep. 77: Eating On The Edge
What explains the high infection rate of COVID-19 among food-processing workers? Do Americans have a new understanding of food insecurity? And what is “corona-conscious eating”? Elle Simone Scott, Dr. Don Schaffner and Sophie Egan fill us in.
49:2001/06/2020
Ep. 76: Meet the New Wave of Culinary E-Entrepreneurs
Who are the new culinary entrepreneurs of the COVID-19 quarantine? The innovators who are bringing foods from farms to doorsteps, sending exotic ingredients across the country, and connecting families through cooking. Our guests are Julia Niiro, Ted Farthing, and Kelly Montoya.
38:1704/05/2020
Ep. 75: Diet Lies
Everything we thought we knew about nutrition was wrong. According to journalist Nina Teicholz, Dr. Miles Hassell, and salumist Elias Cairo, a salami a day might just keep the doctor away.
51:0506/04/2020
Ep. 74: Coronavirus Hits The Food Industry
In this special episode, Carrie Welch, Vitaly Paley, and Heather Kintler discuss the profound impact that COVID-19 has had on their businesses.
23:4822/03/2020
Ep. 73: The Future Of Food Is The Past
Is foraging the new farming? How will Gen Z change the food industry? And how will a cutting-edge grocery chain change the health industry? Panelists Rowan Jacobsen, Jen Bryman and Fernando Divina discuss.
34:5702/03/2020
Ep. 72: Special Episode - Assemblage Symposium
Meet women who are changing the wine industry, at the Assemblage Symposium, recorded live.
41:2918/02/2020
Ep. 71: Bonus Episode - Interview with Nancy Rommelmann
A prominent journalist discusses free speech and food culture.
21:0305/02/2020
Ep. 70: What Is Nattō?
Have you tried the Japanese breakfast food that's as sticky as chewing gum and "smells like stinky feet"? Meet nattō.
13:0424/01/2020
Ep. 69: Japanese Cuisine Today
What do Americans get wrong about Japanese flavors? Is it difficult for females to make it as professional Japanese chefs? And is Japanese cuisine bolstered by deep philosophical underpinnings?
48:2407/01/2020
Ep. 68: Bonus Episode | Interview with Farideh Sadeghin
A master cook-turned munchie maker spills on what it's like behind the camera at Vice Media.
18:1016/12/2019
Ep. 67: Special Episode | Ed Levine | J. Kenji López-Alt
In this special episode, Ed Levine, founder of Serious Eats and author of the new book Serious Eater, joins James Beard Award–winning author J. Kenji López-Alt at Powell's Books in Portland, Oregon.
40:5602/12/2019
Ep. 66: Lynne Curry | Camas Davis | John Schiable
What is it like to slaughter an animal? Could grass-fed meat be part of a sustainable "vegetarian" diet? And what's the "mature beef" movement?
48:4905/11/2019
Ep. 65: Courtney Taylor-Taylor | Jay Boberg | Sheri Hood
In what ways are music and wine closely related? Why are a rock star and a couple of former record execs in the wine industry? And why do creators launch "vanity labels," whether in music or wine?What happens when a rock star and two former record execs sit down together to talk wine and music? Behold Episode 65 of "The Four Top," in which our panelists discuss ’80s and ’90s bands, fine wine and everything in between.
52:1407/10/2019
Ep. 64: Sarah Masoni | Ivy Manning | Megan Scott
What's up with the new wave of faux junk food made from nutritious ingredients? Are you surprised by the latest savory flavor sensations? And are snacks poised to displace meals?
43:0103/09/2019
Ep. 63 Penelope Bass | Michael Alberty | Jordan Michelman
Meet the secret worldwide society of seltzer aficionados. Next, the "sober-curious" trend is spawning a new generation of high-end mixologists. And finally, canned beverages are here to stay.
54:5605/08/2019
Ep. 62: Erin DeJesus | Juan Diego Ramirez | Heather Arndt Anderson
What does the term "American Food" mean today? How should we reframe our conversations about Mexican, and Mexican-American, cuisines? And is the American family dinner imperiled?
46:2701/07/2019
Ep. 61: Reva Barewal | Alexis Hillyard | Drew Prindle
What are the emotional repercussions for those who lose the ability to eat and feed themselves? How has a one-handed cook used YouTube to build an international community? And how are modern innovations redefining cooking for people with less mobility?
49:3710/06/2019
Ep. 60: Maggie Hoffman | Lee Hedgmon | Cheryl Wakerhauser
In Ep. 60, we sit down with women leading the charge in the beverage industry. First, meet the efficient, crowd-pleasing batch cocktail, the contemporary craft take on the punches of yesteryear. Next, how much hard work does it take to build community through a passion for beverages? And our insiders discuss the pervasive skepticism and misogyny women face in the male-dominated drinks industry.Episode 60 of "The Four Top" is online from May 6.
41:4306/05/2019
Ep. 59 Claudia Lucero | Juno DeMelo | Kyra Bussanich
We're going free in Ep. 59. First: Forget those rubbery dairy-free cheeses from the grocery store and meet the new flavorful artisan alternatives. Next, how compelling is the case against sugar cane, and which of the dizzying array of alternatives is b...
52:2301/04/2019
Ep. 58: Drew Prindle | Liz Crain | Michael Zusman
In our "feast for the senses" episode, we explore how sensory stimulation affects our food and beverage experiences. First, the music you hear in restaurants and grocery stores has changed significantly over the past decade. Next, as recreational marij...
44:0804/03/2019
Ep. 57: Ben Jacobsen | Kristofor Lofgren
Pescetarianism is the world's fastest-growing diet. Can the planet's oceans handle this shift? And should we be concerned about where our salt is sourced from? Finally, let's get to know sake, the misunderstood Japanese rice wine.
46:5004/02/2019
Ep. 56: Cynthia Nims | Kerry Newberry | Diane Morgan
What's the big deal about Olympia Oysters? And what will the future look like when fish are no longer harvested from the wild? Finally, practitioners of one of the world's most dangerous careers — crabbing — are fighting Big Oil to save their jobs and the planet. Episode 56 of "The Four Top" is online from Jan. 7.
52:2607/01/2019
Ep. 55: Miles Hassell | Mea Hassell | Sarah Bowen Shea
While doctors deem the veggie-heavy, whole-grain Mediterranean diet as a long-term lifesavers, athletes still carbo load on refined grains. How can these two philosophies coexist? And should we be suspicious of grab-and-go protein bars? Finally, it mig...
40:5203/12/2018
Ep. 54: Ivy Manning | Virginia Gewin | Tove Danovich
Behold the beet. What makes this curious root vegetable so unique? Will science end the practice of planting crops annually? And how does the U.S.'s every-growing American agriculture industry impact the rest of the world? Listen to Episode 54 from Nov. 5, 2018.
49:4905/11/2018
Ep. 53: Ashley Rodriguez | Brent Braun | Zach Geballe | Chad Murphy
What's it like to suddenly find yourself a celebrity in the wine or culinary world? What sorts of meals should you cook your boo to nourish your relationship? And how can you use food and drink to kickstart party conversations?
46:0301/10/2018
Ep. 52: Fernando Divina | Jill Lightner | Amanda Oborne
A new grocery store concept aims to educate communities about health and increase access to affordable, high quality food—will it succeed? What are the best food waste hacks for whittling down our grocery bills while eating healthfully? And could "Rege...
44:5817/09/2018
Ep. 51: Rebecca Hopkins | Cathy Huyghe | Hannah Wallace
Could a career in the food or beverage industry be harmful for workers' mental health? How do wine professionals stay healthy in a fairly unhealthy line of work? And why is a bar one of the most stressful places to work?
46:2404/09/2018
Ep. 50: Dana Frank | Jordan Michelman | Andrea Slonecker
So-called "natural wine bars" are all the rage right now. Why? And what are the new, surprising wine-food pairing rules? Finally, who knew that eggs are sometime used to make wine?
55:0920/08/2018
Ep. 49: Sarah Marshall | Sara Bir | Heather Arndt Anderson
At the height of summer, we discuss the surprising produce (and spices) all around us that will get us through the zombie apocalypse, the science (and potential risks) behind canning all that good summer bounty, and finally, the history of "putting up,...
46:2906/08/2018
Ep. 48: Michelle Smith | Kelly Montoya | Julie O'Toole
Learn about selective eating and food phobias, two lesser-known eating disorders afflicting children. Next, discover Little Sous, a new concept for turning kids into confident cooks. And finally, a cookbook author and food blogger fills us in on raisin...
53:2423/07/2018
Ep. 47: Drew Prindle | Chase McPeak | Sam Slaughter
As robots become more of a reality in our everyday lives, how are they altering the agribusiness? Next, our discussion dives deeper, unpacking the inevitable friction between food and technology. And finally, we shift the tech talk to the beverage indu...
47:1409/07/2018
Ep. 46: Steven Raichlen | Marnie Hanel | Jen Stevenson
A simple fire might be the most primal cooking method, but there are still innovative ways to barbecue, according to our trio of experts. Next, jerky is suddenly ubiquitous and overpriced, but it turns out it's easy to make at home—even from fish. And ...
35:5425/06/2018
Ep. 45: Dr. Greg Jones | Hannah Wallace | Jordan Michelman
Will the wine industry be a victim of climate change? Next, how have the increasingly devastating wildfires that have hit vineyards recently affected the wines? And finally, we lighten the mood by asking why rosé must be limited to summer.
45:2311/06/2018
Ep. 44: Karen Karbo | Katie Pratt | Alex Prud'homme
What made the love story of Julia and Paul Child so unique? Next, what would photographer Paul Child think of today's Instagram-food-photo craze? And finally, we discuss how we can all live life to the fullest à la the Childs.
55:5115/05/2018
Ep. 43: Jim Meehan | Jeffrey Morgenthaler | Jacob Grier
Do you act cordially at bars? Today's high-end temples to mixology aren't places for crude behavior, say our three cocktail craftsmen. Next, how are the best bars in the world designed for efficient flow and optimum pleasure? And finally, why are bars ...
46:4830/04/2018
Ep. 42: Cheryl Wakerhauser | Danielle Centoni | Kyra Bussanich
Modern French pastry is a spellbinding art form, combining eye-popping colors with surprising textures, shapes and flavors. We discuss this exciting movement with a pro. Next, boutiques selling nothing but macarons are the latest trend in sweet treats....
46:3916/04/2018
Ep. 41: Ashley Duchemin | Emilly Prado | Juan Ramirez
Can culinary podcasts change the way society sees food? We think so, and so does Juan Ramirez, producer of the excellent "Racist Sandwich" podcast. Next, we discuss the ways in which different cultures discuss body image.
48:4002/04/2018
Ep. 40: Beth Federici | Ivy Manning | Kathleen Squires
First, a chef and a food writer give us the lowdown on truffles during this special episode recorded at the Oregon Truffle Festival. Next, we gab about other fab fancy food fests all over the globe. Our third course is a survey of our favorite foodie f...
47:0219/03/2018
Ep. 39: Nick Fauchald | Martha Holmberg | Christina Henry de Tessan
Food magazines are shutting down at an unprecedented rate, but could there be new opportunities in this sector? Next, cookbooks are moving in a more classic, less celebrity-driven direction. And finally, we discuss ultra high-end, self-published culina...
53:4226/02/2018
Ep. 38: Mary Paganelli | Virginia Gewin | Heather Arndt Anderson
Cuisines from all over the world are readily available in every major U.S. city. So why aren't the traditional foods of the First Americans? Despite centuries of systematic cultural suppression, American Indian chefs and historians are rediscovering an...
49:5912/02/2018
Ep. 37: Connie Blumhardt | Kenneth Olson | Jordan Michelman
Episode 37 is all about coffee. First, our experts teach us to ride the "Third Wave" movement. Next, what's a microroaster? How about a nanoroaster? And finally, we taste and talk about Guinness Stout's caffeinated counterpart. Episode 37 of The Four Top is online from Jan. 29.
53:0429/01/2018
Ep. 36: Molly Wizenberg | Paul Clarke | Matthew Amster-Burton
Episode 36, recorded live at PodCon in Seattle, is a freewheeling look at beverage trends for 2018. We kick things off by reminiscing about the faddish beverages of decades past that are ready for revivals this year. Next, we predict the drinks that will die this year. Finally, our three pundits share their personal desert-island drink picks.
44:0916/01/2018
Ep. 35: Bonnie Frumkin Morales | Deena Prichep | Michael Zusman
Episode 35 goes live on January 1, 2018, so we will kick off this three-course show by learning about the surprising ways in which the New Year is celebrated in Russia. Next, we’ll review the world’s best hangover foods. And finally, tongue is a classi...
40:0001/01/2018
Ep. 34: Bronwen Percival | Francis Percival | Christian Debenedetti
"Raw" cheeses are demonized... but could they be less harmful for you than raw fruits and vegetables? How are home brewers leading the backyard biologist movement? And those who work in artisanal food industries are asking themselves: Is the conversa...
51:1618/12/2017
Ep. 33: Jami Curl | Michelle Lopez | Kyra Bussanich
How did our guests build businesses selling candy, cupcakes and chronicles to adults? Next, what’s the magic formula for making a visual splash with a food startup? And finally, there’s a sense of tension in the American food scene, with raw veggies an...
50:3005/12/2017
Ep. 32: Jeff Alworth | Erin James | Jeff Smith
Why is cider the fastest-growing segment in the American drinks industry? Next, what's the deal with professional beverage tasting? And finally, craft beverage producers are constantly being solicited for donations.
46:3920/11/2017
Ep. 31: Christopher Kimball | Matthew Card | Carrie Welch
With food media increasingly fragmented, why are some brands staging live IRL events? Next, do you sous vide at home? And finally, what are food entertainment personalities really like when the cameras turn off? We discuss on Episode 31 of The Four Top, online from Nov. 6.
50:1606/11/2017