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Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden
Wem Southerden & Lewis Ames have run Forest School and training centre Children of the Forest since 2017. The Forest School Podcast was born when they wondered if their daily wafflechats and reflections about pedagogy, play and nature connection might be of interest to others.
The podcast aims to inform and support educators, parents, outdoor and play practitioners and anyone interested in nature and the outdoors.
Through book reviews – interviews with experts, practitioners and authors – sharing our experience as educators and business owners – deep dives on fascinating topics –
Ep 200 BONUS: Oops, All Song Wars!
Dive into the chaos, creativity, and comedy that is Song Wars! In this special episode, we’ve compiled all the musical gems from past episodes, including the hilariously self-indulgent chats that led to their creation.
From heartfelt ballads about tagging games to unexpectedly funky anthems about bin juice and wet ropes, this is a Forest School Podcast experience like no other. Whether you’re here for a laugh or want a glimpse into the unfiltered madness of our musical endeavours, you’re in for a treat.
What’s Inside (with Timestamps):
[00:10] The Birth of Song Wars: Why we started writing these ridiculous songs.
[02:08] "Sideways Rain": A love-hate ode to the challenges of outdoor life in the rain.
[09:13] "Wind Speed": A manic yet relatable anthem for forest school leaders battling unpredictable weather.
[17:06] "Run, Run" – A playful tagging game song capturing the exhaustion and humor of chasing children.
[19:06] "Tag, You’re It" – A rap-inspired track from the perspective of a competitive tag player.
[23:04] "Bin Juice Blues" – A sensory overload ballad about compost cleanup nightmares.
[29:49] "Wet Rope" – A pirate-tinged dance number inspired by the frustrations of knot-tying.
[39:32] "The January Blues Song" – A darkly comedic folk track reminding us that winter isn’t over yet.
[43:22] Corvid Taxonomy Song: A listener-submitted poetic roast on bird misidentification.
48:0623/11/2024
Ep 200: Listener Questions and looking back over 6 years and 200 episodes.
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Summary:
In this milestone 200th episode, hosts Lewis and Wem reflect on their podcasting journey, discussing the evolution of their content, memorable guest interviews, and the growth of the Forest School movement. They explore the integration of technology in outdoor education, the importance of inclusivity, and share personal anecdotes that have shaped their perspectives.
Timestamps:
00:01 – 00:09: Celebrating 200 episodes and the podcast's evolution.
08:50 – 09:30: Memorable guest insights, including Naomi Fisher and Merlin Sheldrake.
13:21 – 14:08: Transition from activity-focused content to deeper discussions.
14:12 – 14:40: Dream field trips to unique outdoor education settings.
21:12 – 22:39: Debate on the role of technology in Forest School.
27:14 – 28:56: Wishlist of future podcast guests, from philosophers to modern educators.
28:40 – 28:54: Philosophical musings on play and education.
18:44 – 19:28: Gratitude to listeners and aspirations for future episodes.
Resources Mentioned:
Naomi Fisher's Work: Dr. Naomi Fisher is a clinical psychologist specializing in trauma, autism, and alternative learning methods. Explore her publications and insights on her official website:
Naomi Fisher
Merlin Sheldrake's Research: Merlin Sheldrake is a biologist and author known for his work on fungi and mycorrhizal networks. Learn more about his research and publications here:
Merlin Sheldrake
Nonviolent Communication: Nonviolent Communication (NVC) is a communication process developed by Marshall Rosenberg. It focuses on empathetic listening and expressing needs without judgment. Find more information at the Center for Nonviolent Communication:
For the Wild
The Art of Holding Space: This concept involves supporting others without judgment, maintaining an open and empathetic presence. For a comprehensive guide, refer to Heather Plett's work:
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51:5122/11/2024
Ep 199: How to Handle Unsafe Play in Your Sessions
When is it okay to step into a child's play? In this episode, we explore the delicate art of intervening in play cycles, discussing when to annihilate or contain play, how to navigate safety concerns, and ways to maintain emotional and physical balance. Join us for actionable insights, real-life scenarios, and strategies for reflective practice that will help you confidently manage play in your Forest School. Perfect for leaders, educators, and playworkers looking to refine their approach!
0:00 – Introduction: Why this episode is essential for Forest School leaders
1:15 – Overview of play cycles and key terms (annihilation, adulteration, containment)
6:00 – When and why to intervene in play cycles
8:30 – Balancing physical and emotional safety during risky play
12:00 – Practical techniques for reflective interventions
18:00 – Containment vs. adulteration: Avoiding adult agendas
19:50 – How to read nonverbal cues to guide interventions
23:00 – Collaborative play observation and group dynamics
26:25 – Strategies for managing hierarchies and power structures in play
30:00 – Wrap-up: Key takeaways and reflection exercises
Play Types by Bob Hughes: Learn more here
The Play Cycle Handbook by Perry Else and Gordon Sturrock: Purchase here
Forest Pedagogy by Jon Cree and Marina Robb: Explore the book
Articles on reflective playwork practices: Visit this resource
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The full transcript for this episode is available here.
“Intervening in play isn’t about control—it’s about safeguarding the child’s ability to continue playing safely and joyfully.”
“Sometimes, the most impactful intervention is subtle containment: adding or removing a resource to guide play without breaking the flow.”
“Reflective practice isn’t just about stopping play; it’s about understanding when to step in and when to step back.”
43:1618/11/2024
Ep 198: Is YOUR Outdoor Provision just résumé building for children?
Summary:In this episode, we explore the purpose of Forest School as a space for children to engage in free play, build social connections, and experience the joy of childhood without the pressures of traditional, outcome-driven education. Discover why Forest School stands as a community resource, supports mental health, and challenges the idea of “resume-building” for children.
Episode Highlights:
Free Play vs. Structured Learning: How unstructured play in Forest School supports mental health and holistic growth.
Forest School as a Community Resource: The ripple effects of Forest School on families and communities, fostering environmental stewardship and shared values.
Beyond Resume-Building: The limitations of an achievement-focused childhood and how Forest School offers a different path.
The Mental Health Benefits of Nature-Based Learning: Why time spent in nature is essential for children’s well-being and resilience.
Embracing “Pissing About”: The value of unstructured, joyful exploration and why it’s a radical act in today’s productivity-focused world.
Timestamps:
[00:05] Introduction to the theme: Free play and its role in childhood
[05:05] Why treating childhood as resume-building affects mental health
[11:51] Forest School as a community asset and environmental stewardship
[13:24] The importance of unstructured time in Forest School
[18:18] Encouraging outdoor leaders to preserve free play
Resources Mentioned:
Peter Gray’s Research – Gray’s studies on free play, childhood mental health, and inequality
“Free to Learn” by Peter Gray – Gray’s book on childhood play and education
Forest School Community Hub – Resources and connections for Forest School leaders
Key Quotes:
“Forest School isn’t about preparing kids for the future; it’s about giving them the space to experience joy and curiosity right now.”
“In a world of metrics and outcomes, Forest School stands as a rare place where children can simply be.”
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40:5508/11/2024
Ep 197: Is Verbal Language Bias Shaping Your Forest School?
Summary
In this episode, Lewis explores the biases surrounding verbal and nonverbal communication within the context of forest school training. He discusses the importance of recognizing and addressing these biases to create a more inclusive environment for participants. The conversation delves into various aspects of communication, including play cues, emotional expressions, and the impact of verbal hierarchies. Lewis emphasizes the need for forest school leaders to value nonverbal communication and consider its role in fostering connections among participants.
Takeaways
The forest school training emphasizes intentional decision-making.
Verbal and nonverbal communication biases can impact participant interactions.
Non-judgmental approaches are essential in forest school settings.
Communication barriers can arise from emotional overwhelm or language differences.
Play cues often involve nonverbal communication that should be recognized.
Apologies can take many forms beyond verbal expressions.
Verbal hierarchies can create barriers in communication with children.
Nonverbal communication is a key aspect of forest school leadership.
Forest school leaders are uniquely positioned to value nonverbal cues.
Reflecting on communication practices can enhance inclusivity.
Chapters
00:00 Unpacking Intentional Communication
05:41 Exploring Language Bias in Communication
09:00 The Role of Nonverbal Cues
14:37 Play Cues and Communication Dynamics
17:26 Apologies and Emotional Expressions
20:19 Verbal Hierarchies and Participation
23:42 Nonverbal Communication in Nature
26:39 Reflecting on Practice and Inclusivity
42:13 Exploring Bias in Communication
42:44 Engagement with Participants
43:11 Community and Reflective Practices
43:22 podcast clips rooster.mp3
43:3431/10/2024
196: Why YOUR School Needs More Stories Like Jojo & Gran Gran with Laura Henry-Allain
Summary:In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, host Lewis Ames sits down with Laura Henry-Allain MBE, author, consultant, and creator of the beloved children’s show Jojo & Gran Gran. They explore the importance of representation in early years education, how to create inclusive learning environments, and why conversations about diversity should start early. Laura shares practical advice for parents and educators, emphasizing the power of storytelling in fostering empathy and understanding. Tune in to learn how YOU can make a difference in your classroom, Forest School, or home learning environment.
Key Takeaways:
The role of diverse stories in shaping children's understanding of the world.
How to introduce age-appropriate conversations about race and inclusion.
Practical ways to make your learning environment a space where every child feels seen.
The “mirrors, windows, and sliding doors” approach to representation in books.
Why outdoor educators should consider diverse experiences when designing activities.
Timestamps:
[01:26] – Laura introduces herself and her journey in early years education.
[03:19] – The creation of Jojo & Gran Gran and its impact on diverse storytelling.
[07:06] – Discussing the importance of diversity in books and media for children.
[14:03] – Why it’s crucial to talk about race with young children.
[18:02] – How parents can be anti-racist role models through everyday actions.
[27:15] – Laura’s guide for early years educators on promoting inclusion.
[37:47] – Reflections on Laura's grandmother’s legacy and its influence on her work.
Guest Information:Laura Henry-Allain MBE is a celebrated author and early years consultant known for her work in children's media and literature. She is the creator of the TV series Jojo & Gran Gran, which highlights the importance of familial bonds and cultural representation. Laura has written several books that explore themes of inclusion and diversity, such as My Skin, Your Skin. Connect with Laura on her website laurahanryelaine.com.
Links to Resources Mentioned:
Jojo & Gran Gran (TV Series)
My Skin, Your Skin by Laura Henry-Allain MBE
Research on early childhood development and race recognition
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47:2824/10/2024
Ep 195: How Scripts Can Transform Your Toughest Parenting Moments With Kirk Martin
In this enlightening conversation, Lewis Ames is joined by Kirk Martin from the Calm Parenting Podcast to delve into the powerful tool of scripting in parenting—especially when dealing with strong-willed children. They explore how pre-planned scripts can offer parents practical phrases to navigate emotionally charged situations, while helping kids feel understood and secure. The episode emphasizes the importance of modeling language and behavior, maintaining consistency, and adjusting scripts as needed. Key takeaways include strategies for balancing authority and empathy, understanding emotional responses, and the role of curiosity and tone in effective communication.
If you're a parent, educator, or outdoor leader looking for actionable tips, this episode offers insight into how scripting can transform your approach in challenging moments.
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Chapters:
00:00 – Introduction to Kirk and Calm ParentingLewis introduces Kirk Martin, the host of Calm Parenting Podcast, and highlights his approach to working with children through nonviolent communication and practical scripts.
04:34 – Understanding Strong-Willed ChildrenKirk dives into the characteristics of strong-willed kids and why traditional parenting techniques often backfire with them.
07:33 – The Importance of Scripting in ParentingLearn how using pre-planned scripts can help parents stay calm and provide consistency in tricky situations. Kirk shares examples of go-to phrases that make kids feel heard.
10:36 – Practical Applications of ScriptingKirk and Lewis discuss how to adapt these scripts to various parenting or teaching scenarios, including outdoor learning environments.
13:32 – Modeling Language for KidsThey explore the importance of parents and educators modeling the kind of respectful, calm communication they expect from children.
16:40 – Consistency in Parenting ApproachesKirk explains how sticking to scripts and being consistent with boundaries helps children feel safe and secure.
22:27 – Navigating Emotional ResponsesWhat do you do when kids' emotions are running high? Kirk talks about using scripts to acknowledge kids’ feelings while guiding them through their emotions.
25:30 – Scripts for Effective CommunicationDiscover specific scripts that can diffuse tense moments and help children open up in more productive ways.
28:13 – Using Humor and Relatability in ScriptsKirk emphasizes the importance of humor in scripts to make communication feel lighter and more relatable to children.
31:15 – Creating Space for Processing IdeasThe value of giving kids space after you use a script, allowing them time to think and calm down.
34:11 – The Dynamics of Parenting and CommunicationThey discuss the flow between authority and empathy in parenting and teaching, and how scripts can strike the perfect balance.
37:12 – Scripting Conversations: The Art of Flow ChartsKirk shares how you can think of scripts like flow charts, with different responses depending on how the child reacts.
39:42 – When Scripts Fail: Embracing AuthenticityKirk discusses the importance of flexibility—sometimes scripts don’t work, and that’s okay. Authentic responses have their place too.
43:43 – Physical Movement and Emotional Processing"Motion changes emotion." Learn how getting kids physically active can help them work through emotional responses.
47:48 – Curiosity and Active Listening in Conflict ResolutionKirk and Lewis explore how curiosity can be a game-changer in de-escalating conflicts. Ask questions like, "What’s frustrating you the most right now?"
52:24 – The Power of Honesty and Tone in CommunicationHow being honest and using the right tone in your scripts can foster deeper connections and better emotional regulation in kids.
56:39 – Understanding Emotional Responses and ValidationThe episode wraps up with a focus on validating emotions and helping children feel understood, even when they're struggling to express themselves.
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Links to Resources:
Check out Kirk Martin’s Calm Parenting Podcast for more of his advice and insights: www.calmparentingpodcast.com
Learn more about the Forest School Podcast: www.theforestschoolpodcast.com
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01:02:3817/10/2024
Ep 194: How YOU Can Run Intergenerational Projects That Work with Kendra McWilliam
Episode Summary:In this episode, we chat with Kendra McWilliam about making Forest School accessible to people of all ages, abilities, and backgrounds. Kendra shares her insights on adapting sessions for diverse needs, running intergenerational projects, and securing funding for community-driven outdoor projects. You’ll learn actionable strategies to transform YOUR sessions into more inclusive and engaging spaces.
Main Points & Timestamps:
[02:45]: Understanding the Barriers to Inclusivity – Kendra discusses common barriers that prevent people from accessing Forest School and how to identify and address them.
[07:10]: Creating Intergenerational Projects – The benefits of bringing together different age groups to build community and share skills.
[15:32]: Adapting Sessions to Meet People Where They Are – Examples of flexible session formats, from home-based sessions to urban settings.
[22:18]: Strategies for Securing Grant Funding – How Kendra’s team won a £58,000 grant and advice for others looking to fund their projects.
[30:47]: Balancing Sustainability and Accessibility – Blending paid services with grant-funded programs to support long-term project goals.
Guest Introduction:Kendra McWilliam is an experienced Forest School practitioner who focuses on making nature-based education accessible to everyone, regardless of age or ability. She’s been running inclusive community projects for over a decade and is passionate about building spaces where everyone feels welcome and engaged.
Resources Mentioned:
Kendra’s Community Project Website
Grant Application Tips and Tools
Call to Action:If YOU found this episode helpful, make sure to subscribe and leave us a review! Follow us on Spotify or Apple Podcasts to catch new episodes every week, and check out the full show notes on our website.
01:00:0610/10/2024
Ep 193: 10 Hacks to learn bushcraft faster than I did!
Summary
In this episode of the Forest School Podcast, Lewis discusses various aspects of outdoor education, focusing on cooking, bushcraft skills, and the importance of continuous learning. He shares insights from his books, 'Forest School Cooking' and 'The Myths of Outdoor Play and Learning', and offers practical tips for engaging children in outdoor play, especially during winter. The conversation emphasizes the value of peer learning, practical skills, and the importance of reflection in personal growth.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview of Bushcraft Skills
08:10 Engaging Kids in Outdoor Play During Winter
08:37 Reflecting on Learning from Experience
15:14 Creating a Culture of Continuous Learning
17:11 Fire Lighting Techniques and Best Practices
23:29 Mastering Knots and Practical Applications
26:53 Identifying Flora and Fauna
30:13 Knife Skills and Practical Projects
31:34 The Importance of Practical Projects
35:37 Building Skills Through Repetition
40:58 The Value of Peer Learning
44:46 Reflecting on Progress and Skills
45:43 podcast clips - fart end.mp3
45:52 Patreon 5.mp3
46:1705/10/2024
Ep 192: Unconventional Essentials for Mud Kitchens
Have you ever wondered what small changes could make a huge impact in your mud kitchen setup? In this episode, Lewis and Wem dive into their quirky, practical, and unconventional tips for transforming your mud kitchen into a space of creativity, independence, and fun!
Timestamps:
[00:02] – Jangly energy and funny rain stories.
[03:00] – Talking about animals in messy homes: humor in parenting.
[05:31] – First mud kitchen tip: Eyelet-punched tea towels.
[08:30] – The importance of sensory play in the mud kitchen.
[09:45] – What counts as a mud kitchen? The variety of setups.
[13:00] – Creating multiple eating spots for kids in the mud kitchen.
[19:00] – Recipe posters: Are they helpful or harmful to play?
[27:40] – Cleaning the mud kitchen: Brushes, hooks, and “wok brushes.”
[32:00] – How hooks everywhere can revolutionize tidying up.
[39:00] – Introducing currency in mud kitchens: Wood cookie money.
[44:00] – Foraged items in the mud kitchen: Bringing nature into play.
Referenced Works:
The Tiger Who Came to Tea by Judith Kerr
01:02:4126/09/2024
Ep 191: What Neurodivergent Kids Gain from Nature with Dr Sam Friedman
Do traditional school structures harm neurodivergent students?
Can nature-based learning be the solution?
In this episode, we dive deep into how Forest Schools can create more inclusive environments for neurodivergent learners. Our guest shares groundbreaking research on the benefits of nature for autistic students, challenges the romanticization of outdoor spaces, and discusses how autonomy, trust, and competence play key roles in educational success. How can you ensure you're not unintentionally causing harm? Are your Forest School practices as inclusive as they could be? Tune in to discover practical strategies for creating a truly inclusive, nature-based educational setting.
Chapter Titles & Timing:
Intro and Guest Background (00:00 - 05:30)
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Autism, Nature, and Forest Schools (05:31 - 15:45)
What’s the intersection of nature and neurodivergence?
The Challenges of Outdoor Learning (15:46 - 25:00)
How do we avoid romanticizing nature and ignoring reality?
Autonomy and Trust in Outdoor Education (25:01 - 35:20)
Can children truly experience autonomy outdoors?
Ensuring Inclusivity in Forest Schools (35:21 - 45:10)
Why inclusivity goes beyond just being outdoors.
The Future of Forest Schools and Research (45:11 - 55:40)
Referenced Works:
Practitioner perspectives on nature-based learning for autistic children
Samantha Friedman
ORCID Icon, Scott A. Morrison
ORCID Icon & Allison Shibata
Published online: 19 Sep 2024
(https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00958964.2024.2401785)
Michael James, “Forest School Handbook” (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forest-School-Autism-Practical-Guide/dp/1785922912)
Sinead O’Brien, Autism and Nature Research (Link to relevant studies)
01:13:2520/09/2024
Ep 190: The Art of Saying No at Forest School
Are we doing our children a disservice by always saying "yes"? In this thought-provoking episode of The Forest School Podcast, hosts Lewis and Wem dive deep into the complexities of creating a balanced learning environment in outdoor education.
They explore the concept of a "yes environment" and its potential pitfalls, drawing inspiration from Suzanne Axelson's work. But what does this mean for your forest school practice? How can you strike the right balance between freedom and structure?
The hosts discuss the importance of modeling appropriate responses to frustration and disappointment. Are you equipping your learners with the tools to handle life's inevitable "no's"?
Lewis and Wem also touch on the fascinating differences in how boys and girls are taught to express disagreement. How might this impact your approach to teaching emotional regulation in the outdoors?
This episode offers valuable insights for both new and experienced forest school practitioners. How will you apply these ideas to create a more nuanced and effective learning environment?
Remember to visit theforestschoolpodcast.com for more resources and to join the conversation!
Chapter Titles & Timing:
0:00 - Introduction: The 'Yes' Environment Dilemma
5:03 - Modeling 'No': A Delicate Balance
12:28 - The Squirrel Interruption: Nature's Reminder
18:41 - Emotional Responses in Different Settings
27:26 - Designing Spaces for Authenticity
34:25 - When Adults Lose Control: Modeling Recovery
38:20 - Conclusion: Risk-Assessing Your 'Yeses'
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44:4613/09/2024
Ep 189: A Conversation with Emma Brockes
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Can Forest Schools deliver on their promises in urban environments?
Guest Info: https://emmabrockes.com/
Join hosts Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden as they dive into a thought-provoking conversation with journalist Emma Brockes about her recent Guardian article on Forest Schools. Explore the challenges of implementing authentic outdoor education in city settings, the marketing pressures schools face, and the importance of communicating Forest School's unique pedagogy. This episode offers valuable insights for educators, parents, and anyone interested in nature-based learning.
Visit theforestschoolpodcast.com for more resources on outdoor education.
Chapter Titles & Timing:
00:00 - Introduction and Emma's Forest School experience
05:30 - The allure of Forest Schools for urban parents
12:15 - Challenges of implementing Forest School in cities
18:45 - Marketing vs. reality: Are schools overpromising?
25:20 - Communicating Forest School's deeper pedagogy
31:40 - The future of Forest Schools and outdoor education
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38:10 - Closing thoughts and practical applications
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37:3106/09/2024
Ep 188: An Owl Based Info-Dump
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Summary
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis Ames explores the fascinating world of owls. He shares interesting facts about owl sizes, adaptability, legs, silent flight, vision, hearing, vocalizations, intelligence, family dynamics, hunting behaviors, diets, and conservation challenges. Owls play a crucial role in ecosystems by controlling rodent populations. Conservation efforts, education, and ambassador owls are helping to protect and raise awareness about these incredible birds.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Gratitude
01:41 The Astonishing Diversity of Owls
03:03 The Secrets of Owl Legs and Silent Flight
04:56 The Marvels of Owl Vision and Hearing
06:22 The Fascinating World of Owl Vocalizations
09:08 The Intelligence and Family Dynamics of Owls
11:30 The Intriguing Hunting Behaviors of Owls
15:15 The Challenges Facing Owls in the Modern World
18:10 The Importance of Owl Conservation and Education
30:1830/08/2024
Ep 187: Unleashing Nature's Gym: Movement Reimagined with Andrew and Gill from Wildstrong
What if the great outdoors was your ultimate fitness playground?
Join hosts Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden as they explore the world of outdoor movement and fitness with Andrew and Gill from Wild Strong. Discover how reconnecting with nature can transform our approach to exercise, build community, and challenge traditional fitness norms. This episode is packed with insights for educators, parents, and anyone looking to bring more playful, natural movement into their lives.
Chapter Titles & Timing:
00:00 - Introduction to Wild Strong
05:34 - Breaking the Gym Mold: Nature as Your Playground
10:41 - The Power of Play in Adult Fitness
15:23 - Challenging 'Correct' Movement Myths
20:50 - Building Community Through Outdoor Exercise
25:35 - Risk Assessment in Natural Settings
30:12 - Affordances: Seeing Movement Opportunities in Nature
35:48 - Family Dynamics in Outdoor Fitness
40:20 - Practical Tips for Educators and Parents
45:15 - Wrapping Up and Resources
Throughout the episode, listeners are encouraged to visit theforestschoolpodcast.com for more resources on outdoor education and natural movement. Whether you're an educator looking to incorporate more outdoor activities or a parent seeking ways to get your family moving in nature, this episode offers valuable insights and practical ideas.
Don't forget to check out theforestschoolpodcast.com for show notes, links to resources mentioned, and to leave your feedback on this episode. Your input helps shape future content!
For more information on Wild Strong and their approach to outdoor fitness, visit their website at wildstrong.co. Remember to visit theforestschoolpodcast.com to join the conversation and share your own experiences with natural movement and outdoor learning.
01:03:3023/08/2024
Ep 186: Can false memories actually enhance our connection to nature?
Join hosts Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden as they explore the fascinating world of "muddy memories" in outdoor education. Discover how these not-quite-accurate recollections might play a crucial role in fostering deep connections with nature. Learn practical strategies for educators and parents to navigate and nurture these magical moments.
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Chapter Titles & Timing:
00:00 - Introduction: The Power of Muddy Memories
05:47 - Childhood Imagination and Nature Connection
13:29 - Lessons from Dementia Care for Educators
19:00 - The Ethics of "Nature Gaslighting"
25:28 - Why Forests Fuel Our Imagination
29:42 - Navigating Conflicts in Outdoor Settings
34:45 - The Magic of "What If" in Nature Education
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41:00 - Practical Tips for Educators and Parents
47:30 - Conclusion: Embracing the Magic of Muddy Memories
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Remember to like, subscribe, and share this episode with fellow outdoor enthusiasts!
40:2616/08/2024
Ep 185: Creating Non-Judgmental Spaces in Forest School
How can we foster a truly non-judgmental environment in Forest School without compromising on safety and boundaries?
Description:
Join Lewis and Wem as they dive deep into the complexities of creating and maintaining non-judgmental spaces in Forest School settings. From handling personal biases to addressing challenging behaviors, this episode explores the delicate balance between acceptance and setting necessary boundaries. Discover practical strategies for fostering a community where everyone feels safe to express themselves authentically.
Visit theforestschoolpodcast.com for more insights on Forest School practices!
Chapter Titles & Timing:
0:00 - Introduction: The Challenge of Non-Judgment
5:18 - Cultural Kombucha: Building a Non-Judgmental Community
11:14 - Balancing Praise and Judgment
20:49 - The Impact of Judgment in Safe Spaces
27:20 - Modeling Self-Compassion and Mistake Ownership
34:30 - Non-Judgment vs. Permissiveness: Finding the Balance
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39:02 - Closing Thoughts and Listener Engagement
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40:1810/08/2024
Ep 184: How do you make adults be friends?
Join Lewis and Wem as they explore the challenges and strategies of facilitating adult relationships in forest school settings. From icebreaker questions to creating non-judgmental spaces, this episode dives into the complexities of fostering community among grown-ups in nature-based education.
Chapter Titles and Timing:
Potato-Based Introductions (00:01 - 05:02)
The Art of Icebreaker Questions (05:02 - 15:22)
Facilitating Adult Interactions with Children Present (15:22 - 24:37)
Setting Expectations and Creating Adult-Friendly Spaces (24:37 - 29:52)
The Unique Container of Forest School for Adult Play (29:52 - 35:13)
Key Takeaways:
The importance of crafting questions that allow for varying levels of engagement
Balancing adult experiences with childcare responsibilities in family sessions
Creating adult-friendly spaces within child-centered environments
The challenges of overcoming societal expectations for parents to be "martyrs"
Forest school as a unique environment for adults to play and connect
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38:0703/08/2024
Ep 183: The positive and pitfalls of being lifelong learners as leaders with Nicki Farell from Raising Wildlings PART 1
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In this episode, The Forest School Podcast collaborates with Nicky Farrell from Wildlings in Australia. They discuss the importance of lifelong learning in the context of forest school education. They explore how being passionate about learning and nature can drive educators to continuously seek new knowledge and experiences. They also discuss the challenges of being a lifelong learner, such as the pressure to conform to traditional educational systems. The conversation highlights the importance of modeling learning for children and creating a supportive community of learners.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Collaboration with Raising Wildlings Podcast
02:56 Passion for Learning and Nature in Forest School
06:12 Challenges of Being a Lifelong Learner
09:13 Modeling Learning for Children in Forest School
12:00 Building a Supportive Community of Learners in Forest School
25:37 Contemplating the Moral Implications of Overdramatizing Slugs
29:35 The Shift from Rote Memory to Practical Application of Knowledge
37:37 Conclusion and Invitation to Listen to the Second Half on Raising Wildlings Podcast
38:1030/07/2024
Ep 182: Is Encouragement Ableist?
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In this conversation, Wem and Lewis discuss the concept of encouragement and its potential negative effects. They explore the idea that sometimes encouragement can be seen as ableism, as it may push individuals beyond their limits and lead to burnout or shutdown. They discuss the importance of listening to people's boundaries and needs, especially children, and not pressuring them to do more than they are capable of. They also touch on the role of caregiver attunement in providing appropriate support and opportunities for growth. The conversation highlights the need for nuance in offering encouragement and the importance of considering power dynamics and hierarchy in adult-child relationships.Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Setting the Tone
00:58 Exploring the Topic of Ableism and Encouragement
06:08 Reflecting on Capacity and Presuming Competence
11:05 The Impact of Encouragement in School and Forest School Settings
19:01 Caregiver Attunement and Offering Opportunities
20:33 The Holistic Nature of Forest School and Developing Relationships
30:51 Different Approaches to Encouragement and Reflecting on Hierarchy
35:16 The Role of Nonchalance and Reflecting on Encouragement
38:32 Closing Remarks and Call to Action
44:0327/07/2024
Ep 181: I wasn't Finished With That Yet
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In this conversation, Lewis and Wem discuss the dynamics of play and ownership in a Forest School setting. They explore topics such as sharing, turn-taking, and the challenges of navigating ownership without physically touching or being in a play space. They also discuss the role of Forest School leaders in mediating conflicts and facilitating play. The conversation raises questions about the introduction of metacognition and communication about play, and the potential impact on the flow and authenticity of play experiences.
41:1921/07/2024
Ep 179: Queer Planet with Lizzie Wild
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In this episode, the hosts discuss the documentary 'Queer Planet' and explore the concept of queer ecology. They talk about the tone of the documentary, the representation of queerness in nature, and the erasure of queer history in outdoor education. They also discuss the role of chosen families in nature and the importance of using inclusive language in nature connection. The hosts highlight examples of queer behavior in animals, such as penguins and flamingos, and discuss the impact of gender stereotypes in nature documentaries. In this conversation, the hosts discuss the concept of queer ecology and its implications for understanding nature and human identity. They explore the idea that nature is not inherently heterosexual or binary, but rather diverse and adaptable. The hosts highlight examples of queer behavior in the animal kingdom, such as same-sex mating and gender fluidity. They also discuss the importance of using inclusive language and challenging societal norms when talking about nature. The conversation emphasizes the need to normalize queer experiences and perspectives in the study and appreciation of the natural world.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Patreon Support
02:37 Introducing Lizzie Wilde and Queer Planet Documentary
05:02 The Playful Tone of the Documentary
06:36 Critique of the Documentary's Focus on Sexuality
08:02 Lizzie Wilde's Work in Forest School and Queer Ecology
09:28 Understanding Queer Ecology and its History
13:05 The Impact of Queer Ecology on Society
15:22 Examples of Queer Behavior in Animals
17:43 Chosen Families in Nature and Forest School
23:22 The Influence of Victorian Culture on Nature Perception
25:40 Historical Erasure of Queer Observations in Nature
27:08 Gender Stereotypes and Pronouns in Nature Connection
29:24 Using Real-Life Examples to Challenge Gender Norms
32:23 The Importance of Inclusive Language in Nature Education
34:15 Masculine and Feminine Approaches to the Outdoors
36:05 Using Pronouns to Connect with Nature
41:40 Mother Trees and Queer Communities
44:03 Challenging Heteronormativity in Nature
45:24 Affectionate Male Lions and Polyamorous Lions
51:35 Seahorse Dads and Queer Romance
53:52 Queer Behavior in the Animal Kingdom
58:19 Yew Trees and Gender Adaptability
01:05:15 Nature's Adaptability and Human Response to Climate Change
01:08:3314/07/2024
Ep 178: International Forest School Reasearch Symposium 2024
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SummaryThe Forest School Podcast attended the International Forest School Research Symposium at the University of Liverpool. They interviewed researchers and practitioners about their experiences and findings. Topics discussed included the benefits of Forest School for parents' mental health, the use of qualitative research methods, and the importance of research in informing Forest School practice. The symposium provided a platform for sharing research and networking among academics and practitioners in the Forest School community. The conversation in this part of the podcast revolves around the Forest School Symposium in Liverpool. The participants discuss their excitement about the research being presented and the need for evidence to support the benefits of Forest School. They also talk about the role of research in advocating for Forest School and the importance of speaking the language of education. The conversation touches on themes such as neurodivergent young people, access to nature, long-term effects of Forest School, and the need for interdisciplinary collaboration. The Forest School Podcast team reflects on their experience at the Forest School Research Symposium. They discuss the various presentations and topics covered, including the impact of Forest School on parents' mental health, the role of forest school leaders in creating micro communities, the importance of the forest as an entity, and the challenges and successes of implementing forest school in different countries. They also highlight the contributions of the FSA team and volunteers in organizing the symposium.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Symposium Overview
10:48 Opening Address by Dr Sarah Knight
29:31 Interviews with Researchers and Practitioners
44:04 Celebrating and Supporting Research on Forest School
45:04 Advocating for Forest School through Research
51:49 The Impact of Forest School on Neurodivergent Young People
56:24 Improving Access to Nature through Forest School
01:13:10 The Role of Forest School in Occupational Therapy
01:19:24 Supporting Parents' Mental Health through Forest School
01:25:24 Enhancing Mental Bandwidth and Problem-Solving Skills in Forest School
01:28:19 Aligning with Institutional Values in Forest School
01:29:13 Observing Actions and Activities in Forest School
01:30:55 The Impact of Forest School on Parents' Mental Health
01:35:36 The Role of Forest School Leaders in Creating Micro Communities
01:38:01 The Forest as an Entity: Its Importance in Forest School
01:47:14 Challenges and Successes of Implementing Forest School in Different Countries
01:49:59 The Contributions of the FSA Team and Volunteers in Organizing the Symposium
02:13:1703/07/2024
Ep 177: Interview with Dr Mark Leather
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In this conversation, Lewis, Wem, and Mark Leather discuss the use of swearing in forest school and academia, the feral nature of forest school research, and the upcoming forest school research symposium. They also explore the importance of asking participants for their perspectives and the need for adaptability in evidencing learning. The conversation highlights the diverse approaches within forest school and the potential benefits of different niches. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of critical thinking, research, and open-mindedness in forest school and academia. The conversation explores the challenges of articulating and assessing forest school practices in a traditional written format. It discusses the need for creativity and playfulness in education and the importance of allowing for subjectivity and individuality in forest school settings. The conversation also touches on the role of research in forest school practice and the potential for a national body to establish criteria and guidelines. The symposium is seen as an opportunity to connect forest school leaders and researchers and foster collaboration and innovation.
Chapters
00:00 Swearing in Forest School and Academia
02:12 The Feral Branch of Forest School Research
03:13 The Spectrum of Approaches in Forest School
09:40 The Forest School Research Symposium
28:04 Articulating Forest School Practices
29:32 Creativity and Playfulness in Education
30:01 The Challenge of Evidence in Forest School
31:39 Assessment in Forest School
34:05 Balancing Control and Playfulness
38:00 The Unique Nature of Forest School Education
49:22 Research and Collaboration in Forest School
51:03 The Symposium as a Platform for Collaboration
53:2624/06/2024
Ep 176: Unconventional Essentials #1: Dressing Up Clothes
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In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem discuss the importance of dressing up in forest school settings. They explore the concept of modeling and how a single item can transform a person into a different character. They emphasize the value of versatile and quick-to-adapt costumes, such as rags or fabric, that allow for open-ended play. They also discuss the significance of multiple costumes in a theme, which encourages collaborative play. The hosts highlight the need for dressing up resources that are appropriate for outdoor use and can withstand wear and tear. They also touch on the idea of privacy and how having a designated dressing up area can provide a safe space for children to explore different roles before joining the wider play space. In this conversation, the hosts discuss the importance of dressing up in forest school settings. They explore various aspects of dressing up, including the role it plays in imaginative play, creating characters, and building confidence. They also discuss the practical considerations of storing and organizing costumes, as well as the importance of sensory-friendly materials. The hosts touch on the topics of gender roles and cultural dress in dressing up, emphasizing the need for inclusivity and reflection in the selection of costumes. They also explore the potential for dressing up to facilitate nature connection and animal play.
Takeaways
Dressing up in forest school settings allows children to explore different roles and engage in imaginative play.
A single item, such as a hat or fabric, can transform a person into a different character.
Versatile and quick-to-adapt costumes, like rags or fabric, are valuable resources for open-ended play.
Having multiple costumes in a theme encourages collaborative play and allows for a variety of roles.
Dressing up resources should be appropriate for outdoor use and able to withstand wear and tear.
Providing a designated dressing up area can offer privacy and a safe space for children to try out different roles before joining the wider play space. Dressing up is an important aspect of imaginative play in forest school settings, allowing children to create characters and explore different roles.
Practical considerations for dressing up include storage and organization of costumes, as well as the use of sensory-friendly materials.
In selecting costumes, it is important to consider inclusivity, gender roles, and cultural dress to create a welcoming and diverse dressing up experience.
Dressing up can also facilitate nature connection and animal play, allowing children to embody and explore different living creatures.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Nostalgic Chat
02:11 Introducing the Forest School Podcast
03:05 Promoting the Podcast and Support Options
04:02 Discussion on Dressing Up and Fancy Dress
12:03 The Origins of the Dressing Up Box in the Woods
14:26 Unconventional Essentials: Dressing Up
15:49 Modeling Costumes with a Single Item
26:14 Encouraging Collaborative Play with Multiple Costumes
30:02 Choosing Dressing Up Resources for Outdoor Use
31:27 The Value of Privacy in a Designated Dressing Up Area
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33:20 The Importance of Dressing Up in Forest School
34:13 Practical Considerations for Dressing Up
38:20 Inclusivity and Reflection in Costume Selection
45:37 Dressing Up for Nature Connection and Animal Play
01:05:3308/06/2024
Ep 175: Why do teenagers disconnect from nature and what can we do to help?
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Summary
The conversation explores the decline in nature connection among teenagers and the challenges of engaging adolescents with nature. It delves into the impact of autonomy, rebellion, and social acceptance on nature connection, as well as the need for outdoor spaces for teenagers to congregate without judgment. The discussion also highlights the importance of intrinsic motivation and play in fostering nature connection in adolescents. The conversation explores the impact of social expectations and judgment on teenagers' nature connection, the role of technology in forging new connections with nature, and the changing definition of nature connection as individuals transition from childhood to adolescence. It also delves into the need to remove moral judgments from assessing nature connection and the importance of research in understanding and providing opportunities for nature connection.
Takeaways
Teenagers experience a decline in nature connection, with a significant dip between the ages of 13 and 18, followed by a gradual climb back up to early childhood levels by the age of 30.
The need for autonomy, rebellion, and social acceptance influences teenagers' engagement with nature, and providing outdoor spaces for teenagers to congregate without judgment is crucial for fostering nature connection.
Intrinsic motivation and play play a significant role in nurturing nature connection in adolescents, and the focus should be on facilitating spaces for teenagers to engage with nature on their own terms. Social expectations and judgment can impact teenagers' nature connection, leading to a shift in the definition and experience of nature connection during adolescence.
Technology can be used to forge new connections with nature, and its role in facilitating global nature connection should be recognized and studied.
Removing moral judgments from the assessment of nature connection is essential, and research is needed to understand and provide opportunities for nature connection, especially for teenagers.
The changing definition of nature connection as individuals transition from childhood to adolescence highlights the need for a broader understanding and approach to nature connection at different life stages.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Sunday Sessions with Lewis and Wem
03:17 The Decline in Nature Connection Among Teenagers
07:31 Challenges of Engaging Adolescents with Nature
15:14 The Impact of Autonomy and Social Acceptance on Nature Engagement
24:12 The Impact of Social Expectations on Teenagers' Nature Connection
37:20 Technology and Nature Connection: Forging New Connections
45:35 The Changing Definition of Nature Connection in Adolescence
01:01:3002/06/2024
Ep 174: The Biophilia Effect - Book Review
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The Forest School Podcast discusses the concept of biophilia and the healing bond between humans and nature. They explore the non-judgmental nature of the natural world and how it allows individuals to be themselves without conforming to societal expectations. The hosts also discuss the physiological effects of spending time in nature and the importance of creating inclusive and accepting spaces in outdoor education. In this conversation, the hosts discuss various themes related to the perception of the outdoors and the benefits of being in nature. They explore the idea of biases and misconceptions about what outdoor spaces should be like, emphasizing the importance of creating inclusive and comfortable environments. They also touch on the topic of humans' innate attraction to nature and the calming effects it has on our minds. The hosts delve into the concept of fascination and how it differs from attention, as well as the evolutionary perspective on human behavior and attention. They discuss the complex relationship between the body, mind, and nature, highlighting the interconnectedness of all living things. The conversation concludes with a lighthearted discussion about unconventional topics such as intimate experiences in nature and the sensory associations with colors and smells.
Keywords
biophilia, healing bond, non-judgmental, nature, inclusive, accepting, outdoor education, outdoors, perception, biases, inclusive spaces, comfort, nature, attraction, calming effects, fascination, attention, evolutionary perspective, body-mind connection, interconnectedness, intimate experiences, sensory associations
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Content Warning
00:26 Forgive Me Forest School
02:14 The Mystery of Owls
03:03 How Many Owls Would It Take?
04:22 Supporting Owl Chat on Patreon
05:09 Biophilia: A Scientific and Spiritual Exploration
06:06 The Biophilia Effect and Catathym Imaginative Psychotherapy
08:00 The Language of Fragrances
10:01 Visualization and Nature Therapy
13:28 The Evolutionary Preference for Savanna Landscapes
28:18 Challenging Biases in Outdoor Spaces
30:39 The Benefits of Being in Nature
31:09 Attention and Fascination
32:09 Exploring the Eco-Psychosomatic System
36:08 Nature and Death
44:45 Intimate Encounters in Nature
48:16 The Association Between Smells and Colors
56:20 Gratitude to Patreon Supporters
57:5711/05/2024
Ep 173: Renaturing School Playgrounds: The Challenges and Opportunities Engaging Children with Nature in Urban Areas with Nina Lovelace
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Summary
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis Ames and Wem Sutherland discuss urban forest school with guest Nina Lovelace. They explore the challenges and opportunities of bringing nature and forest school principles to urban environments. Nina shares her experience of re-naturing school playgrounds and engaging children and families in nature connection. They also discuss the importance of relationships with nature-connected adults and the value of a holistic approach to education. In this conversation, Nina talks about her experience with urban forest school and the challenges and opportunities it presents. She discusses the importance of engaging children with the natural environment and how she encourages them to see the playground differently. Nina also addresses the issue of limited resources in urban areas and the need to be creative in providing nature-based experiences. She emphasizes the importance of building relationships with parents and staff to navigate the challenges of integrating forest school principles into a school setting. Nina also highlights the significance of considering microclimates and climate resilience in urban forest school projects.
Keywords
urban forest school, nature connection, re-naturing, school playgrounds, holistic education, urban forest school, engaging children, natural environment, playground, limited resources, creativity, relationships, parents, staff, microclimates, climate resilience
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:22 Defining Urban Forest School
05:35 Renaturing Urban Spaces: The William Patten School Project
08:37 Corporate Partnerships and Fundraising
12:08 Applying Skills from a Corporate Background
13:11 The Value of Urban Forest School in Education
18:05 Challenges and Insights of Designing Small Spaces
23:06 The Social Aspects of Forest School
31:35 Creating Nature-Rich Spaces in Urban Environments
36:43 Engaging Parents and Teachers in Urban Forest School Initiatives
40:41 Climate Resilience in Urban Forest School
45:31 The Value of Herbs and Native Plants in Urban Forest School
49:29 Storytelling and Learning in Urban Forest School
01:01:4803/05/2024
Ep 172: Where do Retired Forest School Leaders Go? With Sara Knight and Jon Cree
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Summary
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis, Wem, Sarah, and John discuss their experiences and career paths in the field of Forest School. They touch on topics such as retirement, the interdisciplinary nature of Forest School, the future of Forest School for adults, and the benefits of mixed-age play. The conversation highlights the importance of staying connected to nature and the community, as well as the need for continued engagement and learning in the field. The conversation explores the benefits and challenges of mixed-age leadership in forest school settings. It highlights the importance of community and the need for better communication and support among individuals. The guests discuss their personal experiences with mixed-age leadership and the value of diverse perspectives and skills. They also touch on the difficulties faced by forest school practitioners, such as the lack of funding and support from local authorities. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the evolving nature of forest school and the potential for its expansion into adult and community settings.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
12:14 The Interdisciplinary Nature of Forest School
35:13 Exploring the Benefits and Challenges of Mixed-Age Leadership
44:57 Expanding Forest School into Adult and Community Settings
Keywords
Forest School, education, nature connection, career paths, retirement, interdisciplinary, adults, mixed-age play, mixed-age leadership, benefits, challenges, community, communication, support, forest school practitioners, funding, local authorities, adult forest school, holistic approach
01:09:2426/04/2024
Ep 171: Matrescence and Forest School with Lucy Jones
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Lucy Jones, author of the book Matressence, joins the Forest School Podcast to discuss the journey of becoming a mother and the lack of cultural representation and support for motherhood. Lucy shares her personal experience of feeling isolated and overwhelmed as a new mother and how the word 'matressence' provided a sense of validation. She explores the historical and cultural reasons behind the lack of focus on motherhood and childbirth in society. Lucy also discusses the importance of rituals and celebrations to honor and acknowledge the transformative experience of becoming a mother. The conversation explores the shame and stigma surrounding the challenges of becoming a parent, as well as the power of gathering and sharing stories. The guest emphasizes the importance of including dads and partners in the conversation and highlights the need for everyone to be part of the solution. They discuss the concept of matrescence and its ongoing impact throughout different stages of parenting. The guest also explains the inclusion of ecological vignettes in the book, which serve as metaphors and provide solace in the face of change and challenges.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
06:58 Exploring the Reasons Behind the Denial of the Maternal Experience
34:22 Breaking the Taboos: Addressing the Shame and Stigma of Parenthood
52:51 Nature as a Source of Grounding and Normalizing the Experience of Motherhood
59:44 Towards New Ways of Thinking and Storytelling: Prioritizing Care and the Natural World
Keywords
motherhood, childbirth, matressence, cultural representation, support, isolation, rituals, celebrations, parenting, shame, stigma, challenges, gathering, sharing stories, dads, partners, matrescence, stages of parenting, ecological vignettes, metaphors, solace
01:08:3716/04/2024
Ep 170: Measuring a Springboard's Success
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Summary
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem discuss the concept of springboards in forest school sessions. They explore the idea of springboards as intentional offerings or ideas that springboard a group into action. They discuss the importance of evaluating the effectiveness of springboards and how they can vary in terms of engagement and success. They also highlight the significance of creating a safe learning community where everyone's ideas and springboards are valued and respected. The conversation emphasizes the importance of modeling pro-social behavior and being open to trying new things. The conversation explores the concept of springboards in Forest School sessions and discusses various aspects related to their effectiveness and implementation. The hosts discuss the importance of flexibility and adaptability in springboards, as well as the impact of personal biases on defining successful springboards. They also touch on the role of engagement and the measurement of success in springboards. The conversation delves into the factors that influence the choice and design of springboards, such as the age of the learners, the ease of input, and the individual flavor or style of the practitioner. The hosts also discuss the balance between over-planning and being responsive to the group's needs, as well as the importance of being able to modify or end a springboard if it's not working. They highlight the uniqueness of each practitioner's approach and the impact it has on the overall forest school experience.
Takeaways
Springboards are intentional offerings or ideas that springboard a group into action in forest school sessions.
The effectiveness of springboards can vary in terms of engagement and success, and it's important to evaluate their impact.
Creating a safe learning community where everyone's ideas and springboards are valued and respected is crucial.
Modeling pro-social behavior and being open to trying new things can foster a positive learning environment.
Springboards can be adapted and personalized by individuals within the group, allowing for individual interests and comfort levels. Springboards in Forest School sessions should be flexible and adaptable to meet the needs and interests of the learners.
Engagement is a key factor in the success of a springboard, and it is important to consider the individual preferences and learning styles of the group.
The age of the learners and the specific site can influence the choice and design of springboards.
Practitioners should find a balance between over-planning and being responsive to the group's needs, and should be able to modify or end a springboard if necessary.
Each practitioner brings their own unique flavor or style to their springboards, which contributes to the overall forest school experience.
Chapters
00:00 Exploring the Concept of Springboards
16:25 Creating a Safe Learning Community
39:01 Ease of Input and Springboard Design
49:25 Finding the Balance: Over-Planning vs. Responsiveness
59:45 Unique Springboards for Unique Experiences
01:06:4414/04/2024
Promoting Play in Schools: A Conversation with Michael Follett of Opal Outdoor Play and Learning
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Michael Follett discusses the importance of outdoor play and learning in schools and the need for a structured approach to play in the curriculum. He highlights the impact of COVID-19 on children's play and the detrimental effects of limiting playtime. The report emphasizes the intrinsic benefits of play and the need for training and support for playwork in schools. The role of forest school in promoting play and the importance of a broad definition of learning are also discussed. The conversation explores the use of unconventional resources in play, the design of play spaces, the importance of the journey between activity spots, the gender bias in school playgrounds, the imbalance in sports funding, the design of play spaces for social spaces and rest, the research on loose parts and the importance of social gatherings, the balance between safety and privacy in play spaces, and the future of play and the ambition for every child to have an awesome playtime.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
00:28 Overview of Outdoor Play and Learning
01:16 Michael's Experience in Playwork and Education
02:44 Structured School Improvement Approach
03:39 Importance of Play in Schools
04:01 The Role of Playworking and Forest School
04:40 The Plan for Play and its Purpose
05:15 Collaboration with All-Party Parliamentary Group
06:21 Impact of Ratios and Clothing on Playtime
07:19 Economical Benefits of Play in Schools
07:49 Importance of Training for Playwork in Schools
08:26 Perception of Risk and Rough and Tumble Play
09:10 Importance of Rough and Tumble Play
10:14 Children's Ability to Self-Regulate in Play
12:16 Impact of Clothing on Play
14:16 Changes in Modern Childhood and Play
15:11 The Need for Play in Various Settings
18:01 Impact of COVID-19 on Children's Play
19:19 The Detrimental Impact of COVID-19 on Play
20:18 The Importance of Play in Learning
21:13 Impact of Playtime on Behavior
22:07 The Role of Forest School in Promoting Play
23:03 The Importance of Play in Learning
24:13 The Role of Play in Child Development
25:28 The Range of Play in Schools
26:29 The Overlap of Playwork and Forest School
27:36 The Importance of Intrinsic Play
28:49 The Narrow Definition of Learning and Education
30:40 Using unconventional resources to facilitate play
35:05 Designing play spaces and the importance of the journey between activity spots
36:04 Creating excellence in primary school playtimes
37:26 Gender bias in school playgrounds
40:08 Addressing the imbalance in sports funding
42:21 Designing play spaces for social spaces and rest
44:29 Research on loose parts and the importance of social gatherings
46:00 Balancing safety and privacy in play spaces
48:03 Managing risk and the perception of risk in play environments
50:35 The future of play and the ambition for every child to have an awesome playtime
57:3525/03/2024
Reggio and Forest School with Jessie Zhao
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Jesse Zhao discusses the blending of Reggio, and Forest School philosophies for early childhood education. She explains the differences between the Chinese and Canadian approaches to early years education. The Reggio approach is characterized by its guiding principles, including the image of the child, the 100 languages of the child, and the role of the teacher. The environment is considered the third teacher in Reggio, and it is prepared to provide opportunities for children to explore. The focus is on process over product, and education is seen as encompassing various aspects of learning and development. Collaborative partnerships with families and the wider community are also emphasized in Reggio-inspired education. In this conversation, Lewis and Jessie discuss the principles and practices of Reggio Emilia and Forest School approaches to education. They highlight the importance of reciprocal relationships and collaboration in creating a positive learning environment. They also explore the challenges of preparing children for formal education and the role of respect for the environment in both pedagogies. The conversation touches on the balance between intrinsic motivation and tidying up, as well as the challenges of implementing Forest School full-time. Jessie shares her experience setting up Tideview Nature School, a part-time Forest School program for children under five.
Takeaways
The Reggio approach to early childhood education is influenced by the image of the child, the 100 languages of the child, and the role of the teacher.
The environment is considered the third teacher in Reggio, and it is prepared to provide opportunities for children to explore.
Reggio emphasizes process over product, focusing on the learning and development that occurs throughout the journey.
Collaborative partnerships with families and the wider community are important in Reggio-inspired education. Reciprocal relationships and collaboration are key principles in both Reggio Emilia and Forest School approaches.
Creating a positive learning environment involves involving parents, educators, and the community.
Preparing children for formal education requires a balance between autonomy and structure.
Respect for the environment is emphasized in both pedagogies, with a focus on natural materials and sustainable practices.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:14 Overview of Reggio and Forest School
04:34 Reggio Approach: Guiding Principles
06:18 Importance of the Environment in Reggio
07:04 Preparing the Environment in Reggio
09:08 Provocations and Invitations in Reggio
11:22 Process over Product in Reggio
13:05 Education and Learning in Reggio
15:11 Regulating and Social-Emotional Development
21:51 Involving Families and the Community
22:56 The Importance of Reciprocal Relationships
24:09 Creating a Collaborative Learning Environment
25:09 Preparing Children for Formal Education
28:35 Respect for the Environment
30:17 Balancing Intrinsic Motivation and Tidying Up
36:36 Challenges of Implementing Forest School Full-Time
41:20 Setting Up Tideview Nature School
50:5419/03/2024
Embracing the Pause: A Conversation on Improvisation, Leadership and Discovering Your Flow with Robert Poynton
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Corvid Corrections & The Pulse of Play
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In this episode, Lewis and Wem discuss the concept of pulses in play. They explore how different play types and containers have their own unique pulse, and how individuals within a group may have different pulses as well. They discuss the role of play workers in observing and supporting these pulses, and the challenges of enforcing a pulse on a group. The conversation highlights the importance of co-regulation and individual needs in play.
Takeaways
Play types and containers have their own unique pulse.
Individuals within a group may have different pulses.
Play workers play a role in observing and supporting pulses.
Enforcing a pulse on a group can be challenging.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:48 Sticker Correction
01:37 Reading a Poem
06:06 Pulse of Play
10:27 Play Rhythms and Co-regulation
13:13 Different Pulses in Play Types
15:31 Pulses in Performance Play
19:15 Weak Pulse and Individual Experience
23:01 Conducting and Enforcing Pulses
26:08 Observing and Adapting to Pulses
28:01 Closing and Patreon Thanks
31:0601/03/2024
Exploring Spirituality, Death, and Nature with Rachel Summers
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This conversation explores the intersection of outdoor education and spirituality within a church setting. Rachel, a forest school leader and ordained clergy member, discusses how she incorporates elements of nature and mindfulness into her forest school sessions. She highlights the importance of finding peace and connection in the outdoors and how the church can offer wisdom and guidance in this regard. Rachel also shares her experiences creating stoles, which are symbolic garments worn by clergy, and how they reflect her role as a pioneer clergy member. The conversation concludes with a discussion on engaging with faith groups and demystifying church sites to create welcoming spaces for outdoor education. In this conversation, Rachel, Wem, and Lewis discuss various aspects of death and burial practices. They explore the societal taboo around death and the lack of contact with death in modern society. The conversation delves into the fascination with graves, symbolism, and Victorian burial practices. They also discuss the historical use of churchyards as community spaces and the connection with ancestors. The finality of death and changing funeral practices are explored, along with the concept of forest burial sites. The conversation touches on controversies surrounding the management of churchyard sites and the intersection of spirituality and nature. Rachel shares her work and contact information, and the conversation ends with humorous insights on burial traditions and rituals.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Setting
01:10 The Connection Between Outdoors and Church
03:02 The Wisdom of the Church and Forest School
04:43 Exploring Spirituality in Forest School
06:09 Navigating the Spiritual Element in Forest School
08:21 Moments of Peace and Connection in Forest School
11:32 Creating Stillness and Peace in Forest School
12:31 Navigating the Spiritual Element in Forest School (Continued)
14:39 The Symbolism of Stoles and the Church Year
19:09 Navigating Authority and Knowledge Sharing
22:41 Creating Stoles and Symbolism
28:39 Participants Moving Between Indoor and Outdoor Settings
29:56 Incorporating Ceremonies from Different Faiths and Cultures
32:40 Engaging with Faith Groups and Opening Spaces
35:19 Demystifying Church Sites and Welcoming People
37:00 Exploring Death and Society
38:00 Fascination with Graves and Symbolism
39:00 Historical Use of Churchyards
40:00 Connection with Ancestors
41:00 The Finality of Death
42:00 Changing Funeral Practices
43:00 Forest Burial Sites
44:00 Controversies and Emotional Arguments
45:00 Managing Churchyard Sites
46:00 Spirituality and Nature
47:00 Intersection of Nature and Spirituality
48:00 Rachel's Work and Contact Information
49:00 Burial Traditions and Rituals
50:00 Humorous Insights on Burial Practices
01:09:0123/02/2024
Confronting Childism: A Conversation with Gentle Parenting Author Sarah Ockwell-Smith
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Sarah Ockwell-Smith discusses the concept of childism and how children are discriminated against based on their age. She explains that childism is prevalent in society and affects various aspects of children's lives. Sarah also addresses the challenges of breaking the cycle of childism and the reactions she has received for discussing this issue. She emphasizes the importance of parental self-regulation and the power of apologizing to children. Sarah highlights the difficulties parents face in balancing work and parenting, as well as the need for self-compassion. She also explores the potential for change in the corporate world and the importance of raising children who challenge societal norms. The conversation explores the topic of childism and the rights of children in terms of privacy and consent. It discusses the oversharing of children's photos and videos on social media and the need for parents to be aware of their children's rights to erasure and the right to be forgotten. The conversation also delves into the comparison between childcare and assisted living, highlighting the importance of respecting children's emotions and not mocking their experiences. It addresses the issue of parenting influencers exploiting their children for financial gain and the potential need for laws to regulate their actions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of empathy, setting boundaries, and creating supportive communities to address childism in society.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview
00:59 Understanding Childism
02:32 Reactions to Discussing Childism
03:02 Internalizing Childism
04:09 Challenges of Breaking the Cycle
05:43 Parenting Books and Tribalism
06:33 Struggling with Parenting
10:09 Supporting Teachers
11:05 Government's Attendance Campaign
12:26 Parental Self-Regulation
15:03 The Power of Apologizing
19:33 Parenting Teenagers
20:19 Sibling Relationships
22:06 Struggling with Self-Regulation
23:14 Challenges of Parenting in Difficult Times
25:46 The Pressure to Work and Parent
27:31 Being Kind to Ourselves
28:31 Changing the Corporate Image
30:07 Emotional Regulation and Gender
32:20 Troublemakers and Change
33:01 Privacy and Rights of Children
34:00 Sharing Children's Moments on Social Media
35:09 Comparing Childcare to Assisted Living
36:07 Balancing Sharing and Mockery in Parenting Spaces
37:22 Respecting Children's Consent and Right to Erasure
38:43 Parenting Influencers and Exploitation of Children
39:24 The Need for Laws to Protect Children's Privacy
39:57 Perceiving Children as Extensions of Ourselves
40:38 Boundaries in Childcare Settings
42:06 Setting Boundaries and Avoiding Burnout
44:47 Showing Empathy and Support to Address Childism
48:32 Creating and Joining Communities to Address Childism
01:02:5019/02/2024
Modeling the value of land-based and ancestoral knowledge in a modern education setting, with Peter Kindfield.
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In this conversation, Lewis, Peter Kindfield, and Wem discuss the merging of indigenous and modern knowledge in outdoor programs. They explore the importance of accessing and valuing different forms of knowledge, such as cultural and land-based knowledge. The conversation highlights the need for a holistic approach to education and learning, where children have the freedom to explore and engage with nature. They also discuss the significance of cooperation and mutualism in nature, as well as the balance between conservation and human interaction with the environment. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of feeling connected and at home in the natural world. The conversation explores the connection between children and nature, the difference in adults' relationship with nature, the importance of interdependence and feeling safe in nature, the tendency to mask feelings in nature, the use of stories to connect to nature, and teaching science through storytelling.
Takeaways
Valuing and integrating indigenous and modern knowledge in outdoor programs
The importance of accessing and valuing different forms of knowledge, such as cultural and land-based knowledge
The need for a holistic approach to education and learning, allowing children to explore and engage with nature
The significance of cooperation and mutualism in nature and the balance between conservation and human interaction with the environment Children who choose to engage with nature have a different relationship with the natural world compared to adults.
Interdependence and feeling safe are crucial for individuals to fully connect with nature.
Some people may initially mask their true feelings about nature but may require support to feel comfortable and develop a genuine connection.
Storytelling can be a powerful tool to connect individuals to nature and teach scientific concepts.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
03:15 Merging Indigenous and Modern Knowledge
06:19 Accessing Knowledge through Education
09:21 Cooperation and Mutualism in Nature
12:59 Cultural Knowledge and Observations
18:15 Gratitude and Connection with Nature
21:29 Balancing Conservation and Human Interaction with Nature
24:39 Holistic Approach to Education and Learning
26:41 Shared Focus and Engagement in Learning
29:58 Observing Children's Experiences and Knowledge
34:23 Cultural Knowledge and Individual Comfort
39:04 Importance of Land-Based Skills and Interdependence
44:29 Feeling at Home in the World
45:05 Children's Connection to Nature
46:28 Adults' Relationship with Nature
47:59 Interdependence and Feeling Safe
49:27 Masking Feelings in Nature
50:26 Using Stories to Connect to Nature
51:11 Teaching Science through Storytelling
53:37 Finding More Information
56:5409/02/2024
Bonus Ep: Surprise Student #1
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15:2729/01/2024
Bonus Ep: Pedagogy Surgery #1
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17:0229/01/2024
Bonus Ep: Pop Culture Pedagogy
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24:2029/01/2024
What can we learn from Nature Disconnected people?
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56:4022/01/2024
Loose Parts Part 2: Even Looser Parts. Dangerously Loose Parts
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The 200 things you need to run FS. PLUS song wars collaboration!
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Join us for a Live New Years Quiz episode!
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01:1028/12/2023
Yule Celebration and 2023 Review
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32:4022/12/2023
Interview with Heather Shumaker. Author of 'It's OK not to share' and 'It's OK to go up the slide'
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Practitioner Spotlight: The Elves and Fairies Woodland Nursery in Verwood, Dorset
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'Learning Stories' as a tool for assessment at Forest School
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Interview w/ Dr Naomi Fisher
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