We're sharing a few of Nathan's favorite AI scouting episodes from other shows. Today: Nita Farahani shares her insights with 80,000 Hours' Luisa Rodriguez on the current state of neurotechnology and its potential impacts on various fields, including work, healthcare, privacy, and even human cognition. The discussion includes Farahani's assessment of devices like SmartCap and Neuralink, the concept of cognitive liberty, the risks of the technology, and the need for proper regulation and ethical considerations. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. Nita Farahany is a professor of law and philosophy at Duke Law School and discusses the applications of cutting-edge neurotechnology. You can subscribe to The 80,000 Hours Podcast here: https://80000hours.org/podcast/ --- SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off www.omneky.com NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @8000hours (The 8000 Hours podcast) @CogRev_Podcast (Cognitive Revolution) TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Nathan intro's this episode with Nita Farahany (03:26) The Future of Neurotechnology: From Neuralink to Meta (05:40) The Potential of Brain-Computer Interfaces in Military Applications (11:29) The Role of Neurotechnology in National Security (15:20) SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | NETSUITE (18:14) The Potential of Brain-Computer Interfaces in Communication and Data Transfer (21:19) The Future of Super Soldiers and Brain-Controlled Drones (32:20) SPONSORS: OMNEKY (41:05) The Controversial Realm of Neurotechnology Weapons (45:16) Ideal International Agreements for Weapon Regulation (47:01) The Threat of Hacking in Neurotechnology (50:36) Brain Signatures for Identification (01:11:28) The Future of Neurotechnology in the Workplace (01:24:59) The Intrusion of Brain Decoding into Personal Relationships (01:30:00) Regulating Brain Decoding: A Call for a Change in Worldview (01:38:03) The Impact of Neurotechnology on Identity and Self-Perception (01:41:47) The Future of Cognitive Enhancement and Transhumanism (01:46:21) The Role of Neurotechnology in Addressing Neurological Diseases (01:51:04) The Dark Side of Neurotechnology: Hacking and Manipulation (01:54:50) The Importance of Cognitive Liberty in Neurotechnology (01:55:15) The Future of Neurotechnology: Best and Worst Case Scenarios This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

For the end of the year, we're going to repost a few of Nathan's favorite AI scouting episodes from other shows. Today: Samuel Hammond joins the Future of Life Institute podcast to discuss how AGI will transform economies, governments, institutions, and other power structures. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. Samuel Hammond is a Canadian-born, DC-based senior economist for the Foundation for American Innovation, a think tank focused on bridging the cultures of Silicon Valley and DC. This conversation is super wide ranging, covering the most likely default path to AGI, the economic and institutional transformations that AI will beget, the critical distinction between thinking about AI in isolation versus as part of a dynamic system, the proposal for a Manhattan or Apollo like megaproject for AI safety, and lots more. You can subscribe to Future of Life Institute here: https://futureoflife.org/project/future-of-life-institute-podcast/ You can read Samuel Hammond's blog at https://www.secondbest.ca --- We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. --- SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off www.omneky.com NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro: End of year and bonus episodes (04:24) Discussion on AI Timelines (14:08) Insights from Information Theory (15:11) Sponsors: Shopify | MasterClass (32:12) AI Progress and Hard Steps in Evolution (34:21) Sponsors: NetSuite | Omneky (39:12) Government Preparedness for Advanced AI (46:16) The Internet's Role in Mass Mobilization and Erosion of Trust (01:05:47) The Role of AI in Monitoring and Surveillance (01:27:18) The Potential Dangers of Open-Sourcing AI (01:36:24) The Influence of AI on Society and Privacy (01:42:21) The Future of Government Services in a Techno-Feudalist Society (01:53:58) The Future of AI in Robotics (02:15:25) The Role of AI in the Future of Financial Markets This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In today's conversation, Nathan joins Rob Wiblin, host of The 80,000 Hours Podcast to discuss why we need more AI scouts, OpenAI's safety record, and redteaming frontier models. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @robertwiblin (Robert) @CogRev_Podcast LINKS: 80,000 Hours Episode Show Notes: https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/nathan-labenz-openai-red-team-safety/ TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:05:12) - Rob’s intro (00:10:50) - Interview begins (00:15:50) - Intro toThe Cognitive Revolution excerpt (00:19:13) - Excerpt from The Cognitive Revolution: Nathan’s narrative (01:22:10) - Why it’s hard to imagine a much better game board (01:28:14) - What OpenAI has been doing right (01:40:12) - Arms racing and China (01:46:10) - OpenAI’s single-minded focus on AGI (01:56:55) - Transparency about capabilities (02:05:56) - Benefits of releasing models (02:17:14) - Was it ok to release GPT-4? (02:35:31) - Why no statement from the OpenAI board (02:55:59) - Ezra Klein on the OpenAI story (03:16:59) - The upside of AI merits taking some risk (03:31:44) - Meta and open source (03:42:26) - Nathan’s journey into the AI world (03:48:18) - Rob’s outro

In this episode, Nathan does an emergency pod deep dive into Mamba, a new state space model architecture. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @CogRev_Podcast (Cognitive Revolution) TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:03:15) - Inventing something better than the transformer (00:05:17) - Examination of human cognition (00:15:44) - Sponsor: Shopify (00:27:00) - Weaknesses of the transformer (00:30:16) - Sponsor: Netsuite | Omneky (00:33:40) - Giving AI memory (00:39:32) - State Space Model Revolution (00:55:00) - SRAM and High Bandwidth Memory (01:36:16) - Block State and Hyena models (02:04:00) - Advancing AI safety and interpretability This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this video, Nathan chats to Dan Shipper, CEO and Co-founder of Every, for the series "How I Use Chat-GPT". They discuss Nathan's prompting techniques for creative and cognitive labour, and using GPT in copilot instead of delegation mode. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. Watch the rest of the series, "How I Use ChatGPT", here: https://www.youtube.com/@EveryInc We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @danshipper (Dan) @CogRev_Podcast (Cognitive Revolution) @Every (Every) TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) - Episode Preview (00:03:57) - Copilot vs delegation mode (00:11:06) - ChatGPT for coding (00:14:29) - Building a prompt coach (00:28:22) - Best practices for using Chat-GPT (00:43:55) - The “dance” between you and AI (00:50:16) - Using GPT as a thought partner (00:52:07) - Using GPT for diagrams (01:03:18) - Using Perplexity instead of a search engine (01:12:00) - What's ahead for AI This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Marius Hobbhahn, CEO of Apollo Research, sits down with Nathan Labenz to discuss Apollo’s research in AI deception, interpretability, and affordances. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @MariusHobbhahn (Marius) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:05:40) - Understanding the Role of Apollo Research  (00:08:02) - The Evolution of AI Safety (00:11:30) - Apollo’s Framework (00:15:10) - Sponsors: Shopify  (00:16:49) - Understanding AI Affordances and Resulting Interactions in the World (00:31:00) - Sponsors: Omneky (00:39:00) - Interpretability and deceptive alignment  (00:45:55) - Why might deception arise in the first place? (00:47:46) - Understanding deceptive alignment  (00:57:49) - New Architectures (01:02:23) - Interpretability at deployment phase (01:03:35) - Deception in AI | A Case Study (01:09:03) - Deceptive AI Stock Trader (01:18:51) - Impact of discouragement on unethical AI behaviour (01:19:45) - Giving the AI a Reasoning Scratchpad and Impact on Deception (01:21:06) - Double-edged sword of removing the scratchpad (01:23:00) - Analyzing impact of model size on insider training  (01:28:00) - Challenges and necessity of 3rd Party Auditing (01:31:00) - Role of government in regulation  (01:52:17) - How can individuals get involved in red teaming? This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Balaji Srinivasan, investor, former CTO at Coinbase and GP at a16z, and writer of The Network State, joins Nathan to discuss polytheistic AI and AI gods, human-AI symbiosis, how AI will be controlled, and much more. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @balajis (Balaji) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) - Episode Preview (00:06:07) - Evolution of AI Systems (00:09:39) - Challenges of AI Robustness (00:29:54) - Intersection of AI and Politics (00:52:14) - Regulation (00:52:44) - Slippery slope of precedent setting (00:54:00) - Role of AI in political chaos (00:54:41) - Emergence of decentralized AI (01:05:39) - AI's future as amplified intelligence (01:1300) - Polytheistic model of AI (01:32:00) - Role of AI in Habitat Degradation (01:33:32) - AI's ability to do differential diagnosis (01:34:04) - ABC of economic apocalypse: AI, Bitcoin, China (01:36:00) - Evolution of AI in chess and medicine (01:38:22) - Difference between AI existential threat and economic disruption (01:40:19) - Impact of cryptography on public infrastructure (02:07:40) - Role of tribalism in AI This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Alan Cowen, CEO and Chief Scientist at Hume AI, an emotional intelligence startup working on creating emotionally aware AI. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @AlanCowen (Alan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast LINKS: Hume: https://hume.ai/ TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) - Episode Preview (00:04:52) - How do you define happiness? How can AI make people happy? (00:08:40) - The striking experience of trying the Hume demo (00:09:16) - Building multimodal models using facial expressions, vocal signals, speech patterns (00:12:27) - How Hume’s models have an advantage of LLMs when it comes to interpreting emotions (00:13:23) - Assembling diverse datasets of emotional judgments via surveys (00:15:27) - Sponsors: Shopify (00:22:00) - Across populations, what is common or different in people’s judgement of facial expressions (00:26:00) - Interrater reliability for training data (00:30:48) - Sponsors: Omneky (00:33:20) - The unique labelling of “awe” across different cultures (00:36:23) - Customizing models for cultural emotional expression norms (00:41:13) - How they determined the set of emotions recognized by the model (00:42:50) - Schadenfreude as a unique example of semantic space research (00:49:00) - Custom models (00:52:42) - Using Hume in B2B contexts (00:59:49) - The cost comparison of having a human analyze emotions vs AI This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Nora Ammann, cofounder and CEO of PIBBSS (Principles of Intelligent Behavior in Biological and Social Systems), a research initiative focused on the principles of intelligent behavior in biological and social systems. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @AmmannNora (Nora) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Introduction to Nora Amman and PIBS (00:03:25) - Nathan's view that society is not ready for rapid AI development (00:05:55) - Nora's framing of AI safety, alignment, and risks (00:09:31) - The problem of epistemic access to future AI systems (00:12:36) - Categorizing different research approaches to AI safety (00:15:46) - Seeking epistemic robustness through plural perspectives (00:19:00) - Expecting AI systems to continue getting more powerful and different (00:21:13) - Nora's "third way" research approach using biological and social systems (00:25:00) - Defining intelligence broadly across systems that transform inputs to outputs (00:27:29) - Avoiding analogies and anthropomorphism when studying AI systems (00:30:23) - Using multiple perspectives and assumptions to triangulate understanding (00:35:13) - Translating concepts between domains more multifaceted than just "borrowing" (00:38:15) - Learning from interdisciplinary practices like bioengineering (00:42:05) - Key questions about the nature of intelligence and agency (00:46:38) - Understanding hierarchical levels of agentic behavior (00:49:32) - Aligning goals between individuals and organizations (00:53:27) - Assessing the validity of assumptions and analogies about AI (00:58:57) - Informing AI interpretability and evaluation with theory (01:02:12) - Modeling interactions between AI systems (01:04:56) - Using ecology as a framework for AI interactions (01:07:46) - Developing a computational ecology theory (01:11:45) - Learning from historical examples of societal transformations (01:16:59) - Unprecedented speed and autonomy of AI development (01:19:00) - PIBS programs for connecting researchers across domains (01:23:39) - Seeking researchers to tie theory to concrete AI applications (01:26:45) - Need for productive disagreement on AI risks and solutions This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan chats with Josh Albrecht, CTO of Imbue. They discuss how to create agents for reasoning, reliability, and robustness. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.  We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS:  Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) – Episode Preview (00:07:14) – What does it mean to be a research company? (00:10:25) – How is the reasoning landscape these days and how might it evolve? (00:11:03) – Data quality is highly important (00:21:15) – What’s the difference between good features and a good world model? (00:27:31) – The impact of new modalities on reasoning (00:29:15) – How much can reasoning and knowledge be separated? (00:45:13) – Imbue demo and are they building their own LLMs or using others? (00:49:37) – Does Imbue have a deal with Nvidia? (00:57:48) – Carbs framework (01:12:57) – Imbue’s involvement with policy and and AI safety (01:16:23) – Takeaways from AI Safety Summit and Biden’s Order This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan chats with Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel, to discuss how AI might shape the future of code, software 2.0, and the open source question in AI. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @rauchg (Guillermo) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS (00:00:00) - Introductory comments (00:03:43) - Rauch's background in open source software like Mootools and Next.js (00:04:27) - Overview of Vercel and the front-end cloud concept (00:06:15) - Productivity gains from Vercel's front-end infrastructure (00:14:50) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:21:00) - Rauch getting inspired by GitHub Copilot code auto-completion (00:24:00) - Launching Vercel's own AI product vZero: production-ready UI code from natural language prompts (00:29:17) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:30:00) - Transition to discussing the future of software development (00:34:12) - vZero surpassing Rauch's own hand-coded website on accessibility (00:51:00) - Discussion about focusing on the full stack beyond just the AI model (00:54:00) - Concept of Software 2.0 using data and AI instead of classical code (00:56:00) - Maintaining software 1.0 while aggressively expanding into 2.0 paradigm (00:56:12) - Philosophical support for open source and skepticism about risks (00:57:12) - How open source software tends to quickly improve over time (00:57:47) - Prediction that AI may "ossify" existing software 1.0 technologies (01:01:12) - AI enabling more grassroots innovation like Mark Zuckerberg originally did (01:07:00) - Concerns about regulatory suppression of open source AI progress (01:03:00) - Unpredictability of new risks that could emerge like impersonation (01:11:00) - Rejecting AI doom narratives but staying vigilant on capabilities (01:12:00) - Concluding thoughts on embracing AI progress with appropriate caution This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Nathan shares his perspective on Sam Altman’s firing from OpenAI, after being a part of the red team for GPT-4 and seeing how the board handled safety concerns. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.  This is a developing story. This podcast was recorded on 11/21 at 12pm PST. SPONSORS:  Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00) - Preview (00:03:00) - Getting early access to test GPT-4 (00:08:03) - Concerns over OpenAI's slow start on safety after testing GPT-4 (00:15:38) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:17:34) - GPT-4's lack of safety measures and willingness to provide harmful information (00:18:20) - GPT-4 suggesting assassination to slow AI progress (00:23:00) - The failure of GPT-4's "safety edition" to properly constrain unsafe behavior (00:29:00) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Oracle (00:29:39) - Discussing concerns over GPT-4 capabilities with AI experts and leaders (00:33:00) - An OpenAI board member not having tried GPT-4 despite its importance (00:36:00) - Getting removed from the GPT-4 testing program by OpenAI (00:44:00) - OpenAI subsequently showing more seriousness on safety after the GPT-4 experience (00:54:00) - An example safety issue in GPT-4 that still persists (01:00:00) - Speculation on what may have triggered the OpenAI board's removal of Sam Altman as CEO (01:06:00) - Altman's "quaint" remark and acknowledgement of GPT-5 training (01:21:57) - The absence of explanation from the board (01:23:56) - How Microsoft will emerge (01:32:36) - Should OpenAI be open source? (01:42:00) - Innane regulation of AI  This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected]. Producer: Vivian Meng Executive Producers: Natalie Toren, and Erik Torenberg Editor: Graham Bessellieu For inquiries about guests or sponsoring the podcast, please email [email protected]

In this episode, Nathan and Erik discuss research out of Google Deepmind suggesting LLMs, Hemant Teneja’s responsible VC commitments, and why now is not the time for an ideological war on AI regulation. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.  RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff SPONSORS:  Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Opening discussion of recent viral tweet claiming LLMs can't generalize (00:03:27) - Waymo Safety Research  (00:10:12) - Response to Google Deepmind’s research claiming LLMs can’t generalize (00:15:08) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky  (00:21:38) - Reproduction of the DeepMind research showing noise allows generalization (00:26:02) - Helen of Transforrmers  (00:30:15) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:32:36) - Continuation of Google Deepmind discussion (00:42:47) - “The AI Executive Order will only continue to look more foolish from here”  (00:44:09) - The AI Scout mindset (00:45:22) - Few humans can extrapolate beyond their training data (00:48:45) - When does GPT-4 deceive its user?  (00:49:58) - Voluntary Responsible AI Commitments from VCs  (00:54:00) - Analysis of the commitments as basic common sense practices (00:56:30) - No need for an ideological war  (00:57:00) - Discussion of critical reactions framing the commitments as capitulation (01:00:00) - Concerns about the voluntary commitments enabling harmful regulation (01:03:00) - Rebuttal that self-regulation can avoid heavy handed regulation  (01:08:00) - Self driving cars: the invisible lives you can save (01:11:00) - Mysticism when it comes to AI (01:12:03) - Suggestion that product liability law could address concerns (01:15:00) - Challenge to defend rejecting product liability for AI systems This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan interviews Alex Watson, founder and CPO of Gretel AI, about the company's work in synthetic data. They discuss why we need synthetic data, Gretel’s new pre trained tabular LLM that creates synthetic data on a zero shot basis, privacy techniques to prevent LLM memorization, and more. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive ORACLE: With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at oracle.com/cognitive NETSUITE: NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. OMNEKY: Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @AlexWatson405 (Alex) @Gretel_AI @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:03:02) - Origins of the company name Gretel AI and initial vision around enabling data sharing while protecting privacy (00:05:16) - Alex's background in data privacy and compliance from his previous startup Harvest AI, acquired by AWS (00:07:24) - Using synthetic data to create additional examples and improve detection of rare disease (00:12:50) - Why use synthetic data? (00:17:02) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:19:00) - Training models to recreate real-world data distributions and using validators to detect unrealistic outputs (00:24:40) - Pre-training the Gretel tabular LLM on diverse internet data sets (00:30:40) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:34:00) - Using an agent planning architecture (00:39:41) - Example use case of adapting models with synthetic data samples for long-tail cases (00:43:00) - Using reinforcement learning to intentionally generate more diverse and representative synthetic data (00:51:16) - The potential of efficient, lightweight models compared to massive LLMs like GPT-4 (00:56:00) - Analogizing model specialization to specialized parts of the brain  (01:06:04) - Using differential privacy techniques to prevent memorization and exposure of private data (01:14:37) - Adding noise during training to blur memorization (01:18:42) - Optimism that synthetic data quality issues reflect details not fully understood yet vs inherent problems

We're joined by John Hayes, CEO and Cofounder of Ghost, a self-driving car startup using multimodal LLMs to solve the autonomous driving problem, that OpenAI just invested $5 million into. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at oracle.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @ghosthayes (John) @GhostAutonomy @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00) - Introduction to John Hayes and Ghost Autonomy's partnership with OpenAI (00:04:30) - The journey to founding Ghost, and how multimodal LLMs will change self-driving cars (00:05:03) - John's background founding Pure Storage and moving into autonomy (00:13:24) - Overview of different self-driving technology stacks (Lidar vs cameras) (00:14:03) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:25:39) - Different approaches to how we know self-driving cars work well enough for public deployment (00:32:21) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Oracle (00:34:24) - Current state of robotaxis and China (00:39:47) - Where Ghost fits into the autonomous driving landscape and their tech stack (00:50:51) - Affordable radar systems (00:51:54) - Ghost’s approach to interpretability (00:53:27) - Using LLMs for driving (00:54:59) - Partnership with OpenAI and how Ghost’s unique LLM solution to the self-driving problem (00:57:40) - GPS’ unreliability which can be solved by multimodal approach (01:02:31) - Hallucination is the best part of LLMs (01:04:09) - Using maps as extended memory and storage for driving data (01:09:20) - Ghost business model and the user experience (01:16:37) - OpenAI as currently the only provider of advanced multimodal models (01:24:17) - How self-driving cars should address fear and standing up for the technology (01:29:30) - AI: China and the US, and why China is being pushed towards self-driving (01:31:39) - Regulators in the US are responsive to consumers (01:32:26) - VC subsidization of self-driving (01:33:25) - John’s widest angle outlook on the AI revolution

We’re deep diving into OpenAI DevDay with Logan Kilpatrick, Dev Relations Lead at OpenAI. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @OfficialLoganK (Logan) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:02:08) - How many startups did OpenAI kill? (00:05:50) - Current employee count at OpenAI (00:06:59) - OpenAI's mission being focused on developing safe AGI to benefit humanity (00:07:10) - How the GPT Store relates to AGI and progressing agent development (00:08:22) - OpenAI's strategy to release AI iteratively so society can adapt (00:10:50) - Safety considerations around the OpenAI Assistant release (00:11:30) - Capability overhangs and is the internet ready for agents? (00:14:13) - Why certain agent capabilities like planning aren't enabled yet by OpenAI (00:15:28) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:17:34) - GPT-4-1106 Preview designation (00:21:50) - 16k fine-tuning for 3.5 Turbo (00:25:13) - GPT-4 Finetuning and how to join the experiment (00:27:53) - Custom models: $2-3 million pricing to build a defensible business (00:29:48) - Bringing costs down to bring custom models to more people (00:30:19) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:33:53) - Copyright shield (00:35:42) - OpenAI doesn’t train on data you send to the API (00:36:37) - New modalities and low res GPT vision (00:37:26) - GPT Vision Assessment for Aesthetics (00:42:30) - WhisperLarge v3 (00:44:15) - Text-to-speech API: the voice strategy and AI safety (00:51:45) - Log probabilities coming soon (00:53:45) - The evolution of plugins to GPTs: the challenges with plugins (00:55:33) - GPT Instructions, expanded knowledge, and actions (01:00:18) - How is auth handled with GPTs (01:01:04) - Hybrid auth (01:02:50) - GPT Assistant API Billing (01:07:58) - AI Safety (01:10:28) - OpenAI Jailbreaks and Bug Bounties (01:11:57) - The OpenAI roadmap for a year from now The Cognitive Revolution is brought to you by the Turpentine Media network. Producer: Vivian Meng Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg Editor: Graham Bessellieu For inquiries about guests or sponsoring the podcast, please email [email protected]

In this episode, Flo Crivello, founder of Lindy AI, joins Nathan to chat about Biden’s executive order, and the state of AI safety. They discuss Flo’s thoughts on the executive order, building AGI kill switches, self driving cars, and more. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. SPONSORS: Netsuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. RECOMMENDED PODCAST:  Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:06:42) The natural order of technological progress (00:07:00) Self driving cars (00:10:57) Where is Flo accelerationist? (00:12:34) Artificial intelligence as a new form of life (00:17:08) - Sponsors: Oracle | Omneky (00:18:05) Silicon-based intelligence vs carbon-based intelligence (00:24:36) Executive Order (00:29:32) How would a GPU kill switch work? (00:31:24) “Let’s not regulate model development, but applications” (00:32:08) - Sponsor: Netsuite (00:36:00) GPT-4 is the most critical component for AGI (00:38:00) AGI in 2-8 years (00:39:26) Eureka moment from a general system (00:48:00) AI research with China (00:52:00) Does AI have subjective experience? The Mu response This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected]. Producer: Vivian Meng Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg Editor: Graham Bessellieu

Mark Humphries is a Professor of History at Wilfrid Laurier University, where he has published widely on various aspects of Canadian history. We invited Mark to do an episode after he reached out to tell us that hearing about how Nathan fine-tuned GPT-3.5 on GPT-4 reasoning helped him get over some hurdles in his own archival research. In addition, he chats about all the things that he'd tried that hadn't worked, and in the process proved himself to be one of the world's leading adopters of AI technology in the field of history. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:03:00) - The state of AI in history before recent advances like GPT-3 (00:06:00) - Mark's background and how he first got interested in AI (00:09:00) - Using AI to process and search through vast amounts of archival material (00:12:00) - The challenges of digitizing and searching handwritten historical documents (00:15:00) - The massive scale of undiscovered archival material that could be processed by AI (00:18:00) - How AI can help historians process more archival material than ever before (00:20:11) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:21:00) - Limitations on using commercial APIs for private archival documents (00:24:00) - The cost of processing archival documents compared to hiring human transcribers (00:27:00) - Comparing GPT's ability to transcribe historical handwriting vs more recent scripts (00:33:00) - Tracing individuals through complex fur trade records using AI (00:36:00) - Mark's approach to fine-tuning models for specific historical tasks (00:39:00) - Challenges teaching AI models the nuances of historical writing (00:42:00) - Privacy issues limiting the use of commercial APIs on restricted archival material (00:45:00) - The gap between people's expectations of AI and what it can really do right now (00:51:00) - Adapting assignments and student expectations to AI's current capabilities (00:52:28) - Using chain of thought prompting to teach models precise historical tasks (00:52:46) - Getting high accuracy on keyword tagging of archival documents using fine-tuning (00:57:00) - Mark has crossed the threshold from promise to accelerating archival research (01:00:00) - How to frame classification tasks to get the most value from AI models (01:03:00) - Teaching AI models to pronounce tricky historical names and terms (01:06:19) - Mark's experience using AI in the classroom over two semesters (01:09:00) - Assignments that are better suited to the current strengths and weaknesses of AI (01:11:45) - AI progress in education is lagging due to lack of institutional adoption (01:12:00) - The trajectory of AI capabilities and the need for humans to exceed the model baseline (01:27:49) - Lessons from history on economic transitions and the social contract This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Yohei Nakajima, creator of BabyAGI and GP at Untapped Capital, chats with Nathan about the opportunity for AI to strengthen human understanding, AI agents, and his insights on investing in AI projects. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: (00:10:59) - A large part of AI is trying to map human cognitive processes onto our software stack (00:11:14) - Yohei’s TED AI talk: the opportunity for AI to strengthen human understanding (00:13:29) - Yohei's journey to build AI projects and building in public  (00:14:04) - Yohei's lifelong interest in building tools and automating workflows for efficiency (00:16:29) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky  (00:22:05) - Building projects as a fun and exploratory practice  (00:23:53) - Single use software (00:24:18) - Yohei’s home assessment price contesting project  (00:24:58) - The origins of BabyAGI as an autonomous startup founder prototype (00:27:44) - Create as many paper clips as possible  (00:30:10) - Thoughts on going all in on a project and turning it into a company vs pursuing it on the side  (00:33:00) - Forking different versions of Baby AGI based on animal names (00:34:24) - Yohei’s learnings about agents after iterating on six versions of Baby AGI  (00:36:24) - Yohei’s thoughts on generalist agents (00:37:28) - Replit (00:40:54) - Begin exploring AI automation with tasks you wish you had time for, not critical workflows (00:42:32) - Automating outbound sales and recruiting workflows with AI (00:46:19) - Where should people start learning about AI agents? (00:48:23) - Will agents come online with GPT-4V? (00:52:40) - The unique moment where both executives and engineers both want to implement AI (00:54:59) - AI layers: hardware, software, tooling  (00:57:20) - Taxonomy of AI business models  (01:10:47) - Designing AI to provide value for senior citizens (01:15:14) - The responsibility to nudge people positively with influential AI assistants (01:19:24) - Advice on when and how startups should build in public (01:22:24) - Perspective on existential risk from AI vs. its potential benefits (01:15:30) - Responsibility to handle AI-human emotional connections well  (01:19:24) - Advice on when and how startups should build in public (01:22:24) - Perspective on existential risk from AI vs. its potential benefits

Anton Troynikov, cofounder of Chroma, joins Nathan Labenz to discuss the importance of keeping the retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) loop in house, what it means for Chroma to be in “wartime” mode right now, and how much of the data going into Chroma has never been in a database before. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. LINKS: Part 1 with Anton: https://youtu.be/ogy37CdIljg X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @atroyn (Anton) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Introduction by Nathan, setting up the conversation with Anton (00:02:16) - Anton articulates Chroma's mission to build a horizontally scalable system (00:03:06) - Rise in popularity of retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) (00:06:03) - Chroma's focus on delivering a horizontally scalable cloud service for vector search and storage (00:08:07) - Nathan describes his experience building a RAG application for a client profiling use case (00:10:27) - Anton advises measuring retrieval quality and maximizing relevant information returned (00:15:05) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:02) - Popular use of open source vs. proprietary embedding models like Anthropic's Ada (00:19:30) - The importance of keeping the RAG loop in house and not relying solely on external APIs (00:27:41) - The huge amount of unstructured data that can now be processed by AI (00:30:40) - Providing a unified interface to structured and unstructured data (00:33:15) - Much of the data going into Chroma has never been in a database before (00:38:47) - Categories of organizations adapting to AI: legacy, AI-native, and AI-first (00:40:55) - Where Chroma is seeing most of its growth right now (00:46:20) - Interpretability work like Anthropic's circuit evaluation (00:52:23) - Anton believes new tooling can make latent spaces accessible without AI expertise (01:06:08) - Scaling constraints between search indexes vs. application databases (01:09:10) - Potential for time as a dimension in embedding spaces (01:13:46) - Likelihood of missing results due to representational issues vs. approximate nearest neighbor (01:15:22) - Automatically handling small data sets without needing elaborate indexing (01:17:20) - Anton's perspective on whether OpenAI will build its own database (01:19:43) - Partnering with OpenAI and other labs to increase use of their models (01:21:19) - Anton's experiments probing GPT's reasoning abilities with Game of Life (01:25:41) - Closing thoughts on the conversation This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Trey Kollmer returns to discuss the latest AI research revelations with Nathan Labenz. They explore how new techniques will shave 10% off global compute needs, how analogical prompting beats few-shot prompting, and how compressive historical records can increase LLM memory and retention abilities. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. RECOMMENDED PODCAST:  Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:01:11) - Paper: Think Before You Speak (00:03:13) - Multimodal models for combining vision and language (00:04:19) - Backspace Paper (00:06:25) - Chain of thought prompting for step-by-step reasoning (00:09:14) - Backspacing in language models to correct mistakes (00:12:05) - Attention sinks for expanding context length (0012:41) - Paper: Large Language Models as Analogical Reasoners (00:15:24) - Pause tokens for language models to "think" (00:18:23) - Analogical prompting to recall relevant examples (00:20:52) - Long context windows for language models (00:23:20) - Markdown works best for OpenAI (00:24:23) - Ring attention to break memory constraints (00:26:15) - Paper: StreamingLLMs (00:27:46) - Potential for superhuman performance with longer contexts (00:31:01) - Dynamic context window adjustment at runtime (00:33:53) - Retention and memory capabilities for transformers (00:37:12) - Planning algorithms combined with memory and scale (00:39:49) - Paper: Ring Attention (00:42:35) - Executive assistant prompting and critique (00:45:23) - Self-RAG for language models to find own examples (00:48:02) - Timelines and predictions for future capabilities (00:50:37) - Applications like analyzing long texts and scripts (00:53:15) - Local versus global attention in transformers (00:55:59) - Architectural changes versus just training adjustments (00:58:41) - Pre-training strategies like random start points This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Trey Kollmer joins Nathan Labenz for a roundup of the latest AI research! They discuss Microsoft’s Self-Taught Optimizer (STOP) research and Google’s FreshLLMs, how H100 chips will supercharge development of programs with GPT-4 level compute, LLM representation of space and time, and more! If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) – Introduction (00:00:56) – Update to WGA Strike (00:03:00) – Trey Kollmer's background (00:06:00) – Scaling compute for AI training experiments with GPT-4 as reference point (00:09:00) – Inflection's plan to acquire 22,000 H100s to reach GPT-4 scale compute in 5 days (00:12:00) – Addressing knowledge cutoff in LLMs using search engines (00:15:00) – Inserting structured search results into prompts with metadata (00:16:07) – Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:00) – Comparing approach to Perplexity system (00:18:08) — Fresh LLMs (00:21:00) – Microsoft’s Self-taught Optimizer (STOP): Recursive self-improvement framework (00:24:00) – STOP framework works with GPT-4 but not GPT-3.5 (00:27:00) – STOP removed sandbox flag in some cases (00:30:00) – LLMs represent space and time with probe models (00:33:00) – Visualizations show emergence of spatial maps (00:33:14) — OpenAI rumours (00:36:00) – Techniques like linear probes and holdout studies (00:39:00) – DNNs extrapolate predictably by falling back to ignorance (00:42:00) – Testing different architectures, loss functions, distribution shifts (00:45:00) – Design systems to be conservative out of distribution (00:48:00) – Potential for recursive architecture search (00:50:21) — LLMs represent Space and Time (00:51:00) – Vision API enabling more capable web agents (00:54:00) – Discussion of research insights (00:57:00) – Thoughts on stochastic parrots debate (01:11:25) — Deep Neural Networks Tend to Extrapolate Predictably X/Social @labenz (Nathan) @treyko (Trey) @CogRev_Podcast This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Nathan Labenz synthesizes recent research in mechanistic interpretability and AI safety, how top players in the space like Anthropic and OpenAI are addressing them, and jailbreaks like the Calvin and Hobbes one you may have seen online. Nathan's aim is to impart the equivalent of a high school AP course understanding to listeners in 90 minutes. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Questions or topics you want us to review for future episodes? Email [email protected] SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics LINKS: Scouting Report Part 1 - Fundamentals : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hvtiVQ_LqQ Scouting Report Part 2 - Impact, Fallout, and Outlook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJi0UJ_DV3E Universal Jailbreaks with Zico Kolter, Andy Zou, Asher Trockman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwltbhR0JgU&feature=youtu.be TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (02:26) AI Engineer Survey (03:53) P(Doom) (00:07:52) Representation engineering (00:09:20) Using contrasting prompts to understand model’s inner representations (00:15:16) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:22:00) Controlling AI systems and detecting jailbreaks (00:28:53) LLM performance and refusal rates varying by language (00:33:13) Towards monosemanticity: decomposing language models with dictionary learning (00:54:12) Implications of the aforementioned paper This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan is joined by James Yu, Founder of Sudowrite, an AI writing tool.They discuss how James started Sudowrite after using GPT-3 for his own fiction writing, how Sudowrite is able to be a supportive writing partner, and Yu's experience developing its tech stack and working through the backlash he's received. f you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Subscribe to the show Substack to join future conversations and submit questions to upcoming guests! https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/ We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:04:28)– How James started using GPT-3 for fiction writing in early beta (00:08:47) - Using few-shot learning to get good results from early GPT-3 (00:10:25) – Focusing messaging on being a supportive AI writing partner (00:12:08) – Helping fiction writers feel less lonely through pseudo-conversations with AI (00:16:01) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:22) - Evolving from paragraph-level assistance to full story understanding (00:20:19) - Building the product for centaurs: half Human, half AI (00:32:15) - Using multiple models together to "kitbash" the best outputs (00:39:21) - Iterating on prompts over time to get a customized "garden" (00:45:18) - Keeping temperature high for creative writing, but avoiding cliches (00:54:21) - Separate paths for professional writers vs casual creators (00:57:30) – The continued role of human-centric art and culture (01:00:10) - The potential for automation to replace repetitive jobs (01:07:48) - Yu’s experience launching an AI writing tool and the backlash he received (01:16:24). - Advice for future AI product launches to avoid or minimize backlash (01:18:25) - Focusing on delivering value to customers during controversy (01:28:44) - The idea of an "AI bundle" to reduce churn and customer acquisition costs (01:42:06) - Recommendations for underrated AI apps - Claude, Pika, Midjourney The Cognitive Revolution is brought to you by the Turpentine Media network. Producer: Vivian Meng Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg Editor: Graham Bessellieu For inquiries about guests or sponsoring the podcast, please email [email protected]

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Swyx of Latent Space to chat about AI engineers and tools to check out, competitive dynamics between OpenAI, other foundation model providers, and developers, and if Swyx would wear an AI Horcrux. We also learn that Nathan lived in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg back in his college days (and was a late adopter to Facebook…). If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Subscribe to the show Substack to join future conversations and submit questions to upcoming guests! https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/ We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:00:49) AI Nathan’s intro (00:03:14) What is an AI engineer? (00:05:56) What backgrounds do AI engineers typically have? (00:15:51) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:13) Swyx’s Discord AI project (00:20:41) Key tools for AI engineers (00:23:42) HumanLoop, Guardrails, Langchain (00:27:01) Criteria for identifying capable AI engineers when hiring (00:30:59) Skepticism around AI being a fad and doubts about contributing to AI (00:34:03) AI Engineer Conference speaker lineup (00:41:14) AI agents and two years to AGI (00:46:04) Expectations and disagreement around what AI agent capabilities will work soon (00:50:12) Swyx’s OpenAI thesis (00:53:03) AI safety considerations and the role of AI engineers (00:56:24) Disagreement on whether AI will soon be able to generate code pull requests (01:01:07) AI helping non-technical people to code (01:01:49) Multi-modal Chat-GPT and the future implications (01:03:33) Nathan living in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg (01:04:44) Competitive dynamics between OpenAI and other AI model developers (01:05:39) Play.ht vs ElevenLabs (01:09:20) The tension between platforms and developers building on top of them (01:11:40) The best thing startups can do to compete with foundation model providers (01:16:26) User identity/authentication services like Login with OpenAI (01:19:20) Google vs the other live players (01:20:46) AI Horcruxes / Pendants (01:22:05) The concept of an AI app bundle for consumers and developers

In this episode, Aravind Srinivas of Perplexity AI returns to the show. They discuss Perplexity’s growth to millions of queries per day, CEO Aravind’s favourite Perplexity use cases, and how Perplexity ships fast in a competitive landscape against Google and major AI live players creating their own search engines. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X: @labenz (Nathan) @AravSrinivas (Aravind) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast  LINKS: - Perplexity AI: https://www.perplexity.ai/ - Part 1 with Aravind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYQZZu4MEM TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:01:12) - Introducing Aravind Srinivas and Perplexity AI (00:05:05) - Perplexity's growth to millions of queries per day (00:06:21) - Perplexity's retention and market share vs. ChatGPT (00:08:32) - Improving reliability, speed, accuracy, and new features (00:10:33) - Getting to daily usage from weekly usage (00:13:21) - Aravind's favorite Perplexity use cases (00:18:34) - Issues with lack of sufficient web coverage for hard queries (00:18:38) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:23:13) - Building their own search index and models for self-sufficiency (00:26:29) - Using their own index vs real-time web queries (00:28:43) - Integrating default search and Copilot companion experiences (00:31:49) - Training their own models as the only viable long-term option (00:36:56) - The web becoming more like an API accessed via AI assistants (00:41:23) - Not trying to copy Google's business model (00:44:36) - Spending more on compute than people to get scale efficiencies (00:49:35) - Replacing all parts of the stack with their own proprietary versions (00:53:59) - Shipping fast out of necessity in a competitive war zone (00:58:00) - AI assistants becoming a significant part of human digital activity The Cognitive Revolution is brought to you by the Turpentine Media network.  Producer: Vivian Meng Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg Editor: Graham Bessellieu For inquiries about guests or sponsoring the podcast, please email [email protected]

Zvi Mowshowitz, the writer behind Don't Worry About the Vase, returns to catch up with Nathan on everything OpenAI, Amazon-Anthropic collab, and Google Deepmind. They also discuss Perplexity, deepfakes, and software bundling vs the Roman Empire. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Definitely also take a moment to subscribe to Zvi's blog Don't Worry About the Vase  (https://thezvi.wordpress.com/) - Zvi is an information hyperprocessor who synthesizes vast amounts of new and ever-evolving information into extremely clear summaries that help educated people keep up with the latest news.  We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 - Episode Preview (00:02:42) - Nathan's experience using Code Interpreter for a React app 00:06:09 - Zvi's perspective on Code Interpreter and other new Anthropic products (00:10:47) - Nathan's approach of "coding by analogy" using Code Interpreter (00:15:42) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:00 )- Performance degradation issues with large context windows (00:22:50) - The disconnect between Anthropic's value and what users are willing to pay (00:31:56) - Predicting Gemini's capabilities relative to GPT-4 00:30:13 - Rating Code Interpreter's capabilities (00:37:53) - Using Perplexity vs. Anthropic products for search (00:44:11) - Potential for a bundled subscription for multiple AI services (00:47:39) - Challenges of getting competitors to agree to bundling (00:54:05) - Concerns over information pollution from synthetic content (00:56:36) - Filtering adversarial vs. unintentional bogus information (01:02:20) - Dangers of info pollution visible in Archive dataset (01:11:15) - Kevin Fisher’s AI Souls demo with emotional voices (01:12:15) - Difficulty of detecting AI voices/images for a general audience (01:14:32) - Being optimistic about defending against deepfakes (01:21:12) - The reversal curse in language models (01:46:12) - Implications of Amazon investing in Anthropic (01:49:20) - Non-standard terms likely affected the Anthropic valuation (01:51:13) - Survey of the AI Safety landscape

Nathan and Erik chat OpenAI GPT-3.5 fine tuning updates, using GPT 4 outputs to fine-tune 3.5, when to accelerate, and AI bundles. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) - Intro and GPT-3.5 fine tuning update (05:50) - Using GPT-4 to generate training data for GPT-3.5  (09:54) - Potential for training models on synthetic/cleaned data  (10:24) - Using chain of thought prompts to improve model performance  (15:02) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (19:39) - Accelerating applications vs new AI models  (20:40) - What to accelerate vs what to slow down (26:07) - AI as a co-pilot vs fully automating tasks  (30:12) - When to delegate to AI (36:40)- Displacement of human roles by AI systems (40:39) - Does training on synthetic data solve a problem? (45:10) - The idea of an AI bundle/subscription  (50:28) - Bundling in other industries like cable and SaaS (54:27) - Churn and retention challenges for AI apps  (01:02:54) - Low retention for easy-to-use AI apps (01:03:57) - Incentives for AI companies to join a bundle (01:04:39) - Potential for collaboration between AI companies  (01:12:01) - Leading AI firms creating separate bundles (01:16:43) - Outro

In this episode, Nathan sits down with three researchers at Carnegie Mellon studying adversarial attacks and mimetic initialization: Zico Kolter, Andy Zou, and Asher Trockman. They discuss: the motivation behind researching universal adversarial attacks on language models, how the attacks work, and the short term harms and long term risks of these jailbreaks. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: [00:00:00] - Introducing the podcast and guests Zico Kolter, Andy Zou, and Asher Trockman [00:06:32] - Discussing the motivation and high-level strategy for the universal adversarial attack on language models [00:09:33] - Explaining how the attacks work by adding nonsense tokens to maximize target sequence probability [00:11:06] - Comparing to prior adversarial attacks in vision models [00:13:47] - Details on the attack optimization process and discrete token search [00:17:09] - The empirical notion of "mode switching" in the language models [00:21:18] - Technical details on gradient computation across multiple models and prompts [00:23:46] - Operating in one-hot vector space rather than continuous embeddings [00:25:50] - Evaluating candidate substitutions across all positions to find the best update [00:28:05] - Running the attack optimization for hundreds of steps across multiple GPUs [00:39:14] - The difficulty of understanding the loss landscape and internal model workings [00:43:55] - The flexibility afforded by separating the loss and optimization approach [00:48:16] - The challenges of creating inherently robust models via adversarial training [00:52:34] - Potential approaches to defense through filtering or inherent model robustness [00:55:51] - Transferability results to commercial models like GPT-4 and Claude [00:59:25] - Hypotheses on why the attacks transfer across different model architectures [01:04:36] - The mix of human-interpretable and nonsense features in effective attacks [01:08:29] - The appearance of intuitive manual jailbreak triggers in some attacks [01:15:33] - Short-term harms of attacks vs long-term risks [01:18:37] - Influencing those with incomplete understanding of LLMs to appreciate differences from human reasoning [01:24:16] - Mitigating risks by training on filtered datasets vs broad web data [01:2916] - Curriculum learning as a strategy for both capability and safety [01:30:35] - Influencing developers building autonomous systems with LLMs [01:33:19] - Alienness of LLM failure modes compared to human reasoning [01:35:45] - Getting inspiration from biological visual system structure [01:40:35] - Initialization as an alternative to pretraining for small datasets [01:51:41] - Encoding useful structures like grammars in initialization without training [02:12:10] - Most ideas don't progress to research projects [02:13:02] - Pursuing ideas based on interest and feasibility [02:15:14] - Fun of exploring uncharted territory in ML research SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: Stableaudio.com

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Adam Wenchel, CEO of Arthur.ai. Adam founded the AI security company back in 2019, before GPT-2 existed. In this episode, Adam shares his unique perspective on the AI security landscape, drawing from years building commercial AI systems. They discuss the attacks Adam set out to defend against, the changing priorities of executives in the rush to adopt LLMs, and the LLM-specific techniques Adam has developed. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) Episode Preview (00:03:45) Adam's background in AI and starting Arthur AI in 2019 (00:05:52) The release of ChatGPT as a watershed moment for generative AI (00:07:09) Differences between traditional cybersecurity and AI security (00:09:51) Early examples of AI security issues like boundary detection attacks in fraud systems (00:12:39) - Mitigating risks of AI systems through observability and robust training (00:14:40) - Financial services governance of AI models and its challenges today (00:15:12) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:21:18) - Motivations for governance like staying compliant with regulations (00:21:40) - The mix of incentives shaping earlier AI governance, like explainability (00:28:14) - Using LMs to evaluate the security of other LMs (00:30:03) - Dynamics between training and evaluating future LMs (00:38:10) - The state of reasoning capabilities in large LMs (00:44:35) - Corporate urgency around adopting generative AI technologies (00:46:51) - Common enterprise use cases for generative AI and security concerns (00:50:45) - Techniques for reducing hallucinations in retrieval augmented LMs (00:53:15) - Benchmarking LMs on specific organizational tasks versus generic benchmarks (00:56:30) - Metrics beyond accuracy like concision and hedging (01:01:20) - Automatically detecting anomalies and hallucinations (01:09:20) - Relationships between Arthur AI and foundation model providers (01:11:52) - Where Cohere shines: multilingualism and not hedging (01:13:43) - Anticipating future watershed moments and steady progress (01:19:03) - Whether we can ever fully solve AI alignment and safety LINKS: Arthur.ai: https://www.arthur.ai/ X/Social: @apwenchel (Adam) @itsArthurAI (Arthur.ai) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: Stableaudio.com

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Stephen Parker and Josh Rubin of Waymark, and creators of The Frost, an AI-powered 12 minute short film. In this episode, we get a behind the scenes look at their creative process, the prompting and creative techniques they used to generate and animate the DALL-E results, and an overview of the current state of AI art. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:00) Nathan’s introduction for Stephen Parker and Josh Rubin (00:05:01) - The Frost is a 12-minute short film created using DALL-E 2 images. (00:07:06) - The Frost started as an experiment to see if a narrative film could be created completely from AI imagery. (00:10:38) - Parker started generating images with DALL-E 2 when he got access to the early preview. (00:12:26) - Prompt technique to get consistent images by providing context about a hypothetical film. (00:15:57) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:19:37) - Compositional continuity, like shot-reverse shot, was hard to achieve through prompting. (00:22:13)- Rubin would request specific shots and the team would prompt DALL-E 2 to create them (00:32:25) - Getting consistent facial features for characters was very difficult. (00:39:03) - The storytelling helped cover inconsistencies that viewers might not notice. (00:40:15) - Working with the images DALL-E provides (00:44:53) Inpainting and compositing to refine DALL-E Images (00:50:43) - The AI art is limited by what exists in the training data. (01:02:05)- Animating the human characters was challenging because of missing or incorrect appendages. (01:07:36) - The team had to find creative ways to convey emotion through the limited animation. 01:02:24 - Animating subtle human movement and emotion is still very difficult. (01:06:35) - A romantic comedy would be much harder to produce with current AI capabilities. (01:12:17) - For Frost 2 they are using text-to-video models like RunwayML. (01:15:43) - AI voicing advancements applied to filmmaking (01:19:27) - The future of AI in Hollywood and filmmaking: quality narratives still require human vision SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Trey Kollmer, WGA Writer and Co-Executive of the show Ghosts, returns to the show to discuss updates to the Hollywood Strikes, including news on SAG-AFTRA and WGA. Trey and Nathan chat why actors are joining the strikes, how AI will change acting as a profession, Trey’s views on reasoning and how he’s experimenting with GPT-4, and much, much more. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:04:01) Hollywood and AI: updates on SAG-AFTRA and the WGA (00:15:20) Sponsors: NetSuite | Omneky (00:18:56) Studio approach to copyright and compensation with generative AI (00:22:17) Hollywood receptiveness to using AI and protections guild members are asking for (00:24:56) Models implementing gradient descent in the weights (00:29:14) How Nathan uses models to write for the podcast (00:34:15) Generating and mining jokes in the writer’s room (00:40:18) Untraining models (00:44:20) AI writing tools and writer perception of them (00:46:34) Context length and pooling layers (00:51:11) Microsoft China (01:00:02) Actors’ strike (01:05:45) Using 1 million DALL-E images to create an AI short film (01:09:11) Deepfakes (01:12:51) The future where anyone can be a reasonable synthetic actor (01:17:33) Trey’s take on reasoning and why Hollywood should be more open to AI (01:25:49) A monk’s experience with Chat-GPT (01:28:56) Outdatedness of stochastic parrot notion; reasoning and synthesis (01:36:14) Model vs human susceptibility to adversarial attacks because of human robustness (01:47:30) Performance jumping with abstraction (01:49:22) Language model self-delegation (01:51:04) NVIDIA’s margins compared to TSMC and ASML (02:07:35) Adding an AI layer and competing with incumbents (02:13:10) Rewind AI (02:19:27) Big tech vs old school studios (02:14:52) Dramatic ironies from the picketing lines (02:21:38) AI development moments that feel like a movie (02:26:34) CEO of Inflection’s views on misuse being a greater threat than the AI itself SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan sits down with three members of the a16z x Convex AI Town project: Yoko Li (Partner, a16z), Martin Casado (GP, a16z), and James Cowling (CTO, Convex). AI Town is a virtual town where AI agents live, interact, and socialize. They discuss how AI Town originated from Yoko’s companion app project, unpredictability as a feature in LLMs and interacting with models like they are lifeforms, and why they chose Javascript and Convex to build AI Town. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. 📣 CALL FOR FEEDBACK: To borrow from a meme… we're in the podcast arena trying stuff. Some will work. Some won't. But we're always learning. http://bit.ly/TCRFeedback Fill out the above form to let us know how we can continue delivering great content to you or sending the feedback on your mind to [email protected].  TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview: Intro to AI Town and the idea of AI as companions (00:05:29) - Overview of AI Town and the simulation framework based on the Stanford Generative Agents paper (00:08:24) - Yoko explains how the idea for AI Town originated from the companion app project (00:12:31) - The simplicity and elegance of the AI Town codebase (00:15:47) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:25) - How Convex built a server-side game engine for AI Town  (00:23:39 )- James emphasizes the power of functional programming paradigms like Convex for building AI apps (00:25:02) - Using simple JavaScript so anyone could understand and extend AI Town (00:30:23) - How AI coding assistants were used in building AI Town  (00:31:22) - No open source code for the Stanford paper when they started (00:33:25) - The interplay between programmer and AI model (00:38:01)- Martin draws a distinction between using formal languages vs. natural language (00:43:21) The balance between formal language and unpredictable behaviours in LLMs (00:48:27) Are we living in a simulation? (00:50:38) Advice for other developers in AI (00:54:29) AI Town is a community project to be extended on SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Daniel Kang, Assistant Professor of Computer Science at the University of Illinois. Kang has done pioneering work bringing zero knowledge cryptographic proofs to AI. In this episode, they chat about the cryptographic theory behind Daniel's work, how cryptography allows us to balance the tradeoff between privacy and authenticity, and how cryptography usage is needed in a world where LLMs are increasingly embedded into our daily lives. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. CALL FOR FEEDBACK: To borrow from a meme… we're in the podcast arena trying stuff. Some will work. Some won't. But we're always learning. http://bit.ly/TCRFeedback Fill out the above form to let us know how we can continue delivering great content to you or sending the feedback on your mind to [email protected].  TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:04) Nathan's Introduction (00:07:06) Motivation for bringing zero-knowledge proofs to AI (00:10:27) Verifying model execution without revealing model details (00:12:42) Verifying medical AI services haven't been tampered with (00:15:09) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:54) Cryptographic hashes for commitments (00:22:42) Assumptions underlying cryptographic hashes  (00:25:20) Adding entropy through salting  (00:26:24) Z case snarks and the proving process  (00:31:00) Using lookup tables for nonlinearities (00:33:35) Floating point vs fixed point calculations  (00:34:08) Quantizing models for efficiency (00:35:55) Using polynomials to represent arbitrary computations (00:37:26) What are finite fields?  (00:41:23) Toxic waste for cryptographic secrecy (00:45:51) Computational costs (00:47:39) The experience of using a cryptography application to verify model output   (00:49:05) Verification key doesn't reveal model weights (00:56:36) What using crypto infrastructure in AI enables and challenges to its implementation  (01:01:26) Potential for 10-100x cost reductions (01:04:51) Authenticating images with attested cameras (01:11:56) How cryptography in AI could impact daily life (01:14:25) On-device credential verification (01:15:50) Potential for regulation of hardware authentication (01:18:52) Upcoming work to reduce proof costs LINKS: Daniel's website SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan and Erik sit down to analyze Hugging Face in light of its recent $235M Series D round. They analyze Hugging Face’s community and defensibility through the lens of other community businesses like ProductHunt and Yelp, assess its ability to fulfill its $4.5 billion valuation, and assess competitors and other notable companies in the space like Replit, Character, and Runway. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:57) Episode Preview (00:01:52) Nathan’s Introduction (00:04:57) Overview of Hugging Face and recent fundraising announcement (00:08:13) Hugging Face’s product line (00:16:47) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:36) Community driven businesses and HuggingFace’s moat (00:23:23) Discovery and inference (00:28:04) Hugging Face’s ideological nature (00:31:31) Curation is key (00:33:46) Keeping content fresh when AI moves so fast (00:35:44) If Hugging Face is a $50 billion company one day, what would it look like? (00:48:08) Hugging Face vs Replit (00:57:19) Contrasting Hugging Face with other companies like Character and Runway LINKS MENTIONED: Hugging Face's LLM leaderboard X/TWITTER: @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Paige Bailey, Lead Product Manager of Generative Models at Google Deepmind. In this conversation, they discuss what it's like to be a PM for an LLM as opposed to an app, defining ideal LLM behaviour, and reasoning - how do you distinguish real abilities vs pattern matching? If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:15) Introducing Paige Bailey (00:04:21) Paige’s background at Google Brain and the Deepmind merger (00:07:00) PM for a LLM vs being a PM for an app (00:11:21) The development timeline and compute budget of PaLM-2 (00:14:30) Paige’s role in the PaLM 2 project (00:15:30) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:26) Defining desired capabilities for PaLM-2 (00:19:17) The amount of work that went into elevating PaLM 2 from PaLM 1 (00:20:28) Has Google lost its ability to ship? (00:24:240) Paige's "eureka" moment seeing GitHub Copilot capabilities (00:27:47) Competing PaLM 2 with other models (00:32:20) Grokking and the predictability of emergent capabilities (00:37:30) Citizen scientists and the multilingual capabilities of PaLM 2 (00:39:29) Distinguishing real reasoning vs pattern matching (00:45:51) Products using PaLM-2 that people should try (00:50:35) Most exciting AI projects that you can try out (00:52:29) Curriculum learning and successor to the transformer LINKS: PaLM 2 Duet AI for developers Avenging Polayni’s Revenge X/TWITTER: @DynamicWebPaige (Paige) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

Join Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the latest developments from OpenAI on GPT 3.5, compare GPT to other live player models like Llama2, and discuss the state of AI in coding, education, and healthcare. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:00) GPT 3.5 Turbo (00:06:36) Llama 2 vs GPT (00:11:24) How much inference is needed to double compute costs? (00:13:40) OpenAI’s moat (00:14:41) OpenAI’s privacy consideration for data (00:16:06) Sponsor: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:46) Encouraging the usage of instructions during fine-tuning (00:19:19) Live player consideration of AI safety (00:22:35) Da Vinci: new completions fine tuneable model (00:24:59) Chat-GPT usage in decline (00:30:03) Getting on demand tutoring on ML papers (00:31:00) Code, education, and healthcare (00:31:42) AI applications in coding (00:38:12) AI revolution n education (00:42:35) AI revolution in healthcare (00:52:17) Call for feedback LINKS: Replit episode with Tyler Angert Replit episode with VP of AI, Michele Catasta AI Revolution in Education with Khan Academy's Director of Engineering, Shawn Jansepar Google's Multimodal Med-PaLM with Vivek Natarajan and Tao Tu X: @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Vivek Natarajan and Tao Tu of Google’s Med-PaLM, diving into how they used one of the world’s largest medical datasets ever compiled to develop Med-PaLM M, an AI agent specialized in medical tasks. In this episode, they discuss: Med-PaLM M's “clinically superhuman” abilities and limitations, the rigorous testing and validation that went into the model, and their vision for AI to take over repetitive clerical tasks and allow doctors to focus on patients. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:00:56) Introducing Vivek Natarajan and Tao Tu (00:04:18) The story of Google’s Medical AI research progress (00:07:11) Multi-modal Med-PaLM (00:10:32) Genomic data - how do you represent it? (00:11:13) Google’s Deep Variant (00:14:44) The successes and failures behind the incredible pace of progress (00:15:02) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:21:54) Google’s research culture and assembling an interdisciplinary team (00:31:36) Google’s Pathways (00:33:40) Med-PaLM M's architecture (00:37:28) Working with 3 different model sizes and what you learn (00:46:56) Data and compute required for Med-PaLM M (00:49:38) Med-PaLM M's cycle time (00:54:56) Is a bridge or adapter structure worth implementing? (01:00:09) Can we create an AI doctor? (01:02:39) Emergent capabilities like identifying tuberculosis (01:09:37) Reactions to these emergent capabilities (01:11:13) Moving towards clinical trials and real-world testing (01:13:01) Regulatory and safety considerations (01:15:03) AI safety in the healthcare domain (01:17:00) Potential to transform healthcare access worldwide LINKS: Med-PaLM: https://sites.research.google/med-palm/ Med-PaLM M paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.14334 Our earlier conversation with Vivek Natarajan on Med-PaLM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPBd7i5tnEE X/TWITTER: @vivnat (Vivek) @taotu831 (Tao) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Jon Noronha, co-founder of Gamma. Gamma is a new medium for presenting ideas, allowing you to focus on your ideas and receive beautiful, engaging content without the formatting work. In this episode, Jon and Nathan discuss the journey of building Gamma, how to coax AI to do things well, and the opportunity for AI A/B testing. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Preview (00:01:23) - Nathan introduces Jon Noronha (00:06:36) - Intro - Jon Noronha introduces himself and Gamma (00:09:36) - Gamma's origin story: building the "anti-PowerPoint" pre-GPT-3 (00:13:15) - From using AI for onboarding to generating near-complete presentations. (00:15:11) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:01) - If Notion and Canva had a baby (00:23:35) - Searching for the right structure for AI, landing on HTML (00:28:16) - Degrees of freedom - developing a constrained vocabulary of semantic blocks (00:29:30) - Choice of model(s) – weighing cost, speed, and quality tradeoffs (00:35:18) - Editing UI - getting AI to edit slides per user command (00:38:04) - UI for gathering training data - following Midjourney's example (00:40:00) AI A/B Testing: a big opportunity space (00:43:22) - Image generation models - Baseten and Gamma's deployment of it (00:45:37) - Pacing feature development - Trying to stay ahead of innovations like 3D, video, voice etc. (00:47:45) Image generation for slidedecks and AI involvement (00:50:29) Gamma's main building priorities and AI generated websites (00:52:34) - Competing with giants like Microsoft and Google (00:55:04) - Enterprise AI shipping challenges - Startups pioneer new patterns; giants will eventually follow. (00:57:45) - Simplifying complexity - will models smooth over the complexity of bloated product suites? (00:59:22) - Conclusion and final thoughts X/TWITTER: @thatsjonsense (Jon) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast LINKS: Gamma: https://gamma.app/ SPONSORS: Shopify |NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Shawn Jansepar, Director of Engineering at Khan Academy, to discuss their GPT-4 powered Socratic tutor, Khanmigo. In this conversation, Shawn and Nathan chat about Khan Academy’s collaboration with OpenAI and how they helped fine-tune GPT-4, how Khan Academy leveraged GPT-4 to build Khanmigo, and the impact of providing access to an AI tutor to any student. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview: Education 10 years from now (04:42) Khan Academy’s early access partnership with OpenAI (06:31) Khanmigo: journey from Chrome extension to AI tutor (11:36) GPT-4’s ability to be Socratic vs 3.5 (15:05) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (16:40) Integrating Khan Academy’s Pedagogy into AI (20:06) The future of education 10 years from now  (22:37) Khan Academy’s models (27:20) Demo-driven development process (31:16) Sculpting the behaviour of a Socratic tutor model  (35:59) Khan Academy’s contribution to GPT-4’s fine-tuning and RLHF (38:41) Being data-informed vs data-driven as a practice  (42:10) Incurring tech debt to get ahead of the curve (45:28) The boundary for what an AI can/can’t t tutor  (49:30) Identifying when the user is confused and avoiding AI hallucinations (53:54) Khanmigo’s development patterns  (59:11) Making Khanmigo jailbreak resistant  (01:01:50) Delivering personalized education with AI  (01:04:08) How Shawn and his team are thinking about AI education (01:05:33) Khanmigo’s future multimodal interactivity (01:08:42) Evaluating Khanmigo’s efficacy for student learning  (01:11:41) How widely is Khanmigo deployed today and what is the future for universal public access? (01:05:11) Distribution through teachers and districts (01:16:30) What are the reactions from teachers and education institutions to AI? (01:18:15) Khanmigo’s pricing model (01:19:03) The future roadmap for Khanmigo (01:20:45) How will the AI tutor change the world at large? LINKS: Khanmigo: khan.co/khanmigo23 Benjamin Bloom’s 2-Sigma Problem: https://web.mit.edu/5.95/www/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf X/TWITTER: @shawnjan8 (Shawn) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

Join Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the last month in AI advancements. Nathan takes us through the meaningful updates to his Scouting Report (released last month, linked below), discusses highlights from recent episodes of The Cognitive Revolution, and gives us a sneak peek at upcoming interviews with Google researchers. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (01:00) How does the AI Scouting Report hold up a few weeks later? (03:29) Zvi’s feedback on Nathan’s Tale of the Cognitive Tape (10:25) The universal LLM jailbreak and adversarial examples (12:53) Human performance is much more variable than AI performance (14:45) Sponsors: NetSuite | Omneky (16:09) Nathan’s AI Task Automation: What are good targets for tasks that can be automated for average businesses?  (20:05) Is GPT-4 getting worse or better? (22:00) Getting explicit about what good looks like (24:00) Prompting best practices are very accessible (26:35) Ghostwriting - and the art of the hook (28:05) Live Players: Which companies have say so over how the future goes? (31:10) Upcoming guests from Google AI (35:40) Possible post-transformer architectures LINKS: SCOUTING REPORT Part 1: https://youtu.be/0hvtiVQ_LqQ SCOUTING REPORT Part 2: https://youtu.be/ovm4MbQ4G9E SCOUTING REPORT Part 3: https://youtu.be/QJi0UJ_DV3E 3 Blue 1 Brown on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@3blue1brown Tale of the Cognitive Tape in Part 1 of the Scouting Report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hvtiVQ_LqQ&t=3043s Analyzing the Frontier with Zvi Mowshowitz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM4q-QAsoU8&t=1s Tyler Cowen’s Interview with Jonathan Swift: https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/jonathan-gpt-swift/ X: @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.  Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Replit’s VP of AI, Michele Catasta. Replit is building what CEO Amjad Masad calls "the perfect substrate for AGI." In this discussion, Michele and Nathan discuss Replit's state of AI development report, advantages when it comes to AI development, and the company's custom models. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:00:57) Introduction (04:44) What is artificial developer intelligence? (15:05) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (16:58) Michele's background at Google & decision to join Replit (19:16) Startups vs incumbents (24:42) Whether Replit identifies as an e/acc company (26:37) Staying apolitical on AI while being responsible (30:36) The rise of LangChain and polarized reactions (35:14) Estimates on developer productivity gains from AI assistance (2x-10x) (38:35) Democratizing software development through easy customization (44:02) AI generating disposable single-use software (51:33) Optimism about humanity's ability to handle transformative AI (55:01) The need for nuanced AI safety discussions (56:14) Replit's data advantage from user code execution (01:04:31) Replit's approach to training custom AI models (01:08:51) The value of both open source and commercial models (01:13:18) Michele’s highlights from being a Google researcher (01:15:47) World knowledge needs in AI development (01:20:37) Replit’s approach to AI safety (01:24:28) The advantage of having a commercial model (01:25:54) The costs of serving AI features to millions of users (01:28:49) Modeling cost per user with AI workloads (01:30:50) Pushing AI inference to the edge (01:32:18) Ghostwriter integrating more deeply into Replit's IDE (01:33:37) Replit as a potential "substrate for AGI" LINKS: https://replit.com/ Replit's State of AI Development Report: https://blog.replit.com/ai-on-replit X: @pirroh (Michele) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky - Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive - NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. - Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. MUSIC CREDIT: MusicLM

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Tyler Angert, Product Designer at Replit, to discuss the future of software development. Replit is building what CEO Amjad Masad calls "the perfect substrate for AGI." In this discussion, Tyler and Nathan discuss how Replit is leveraging AI to enhance its current product, bot-bot interactions, the design and ethical considerations around AI agents, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (01:10) Nathan’s Intro (09:24) Tyler's role at Replit (11:37) Replit as the "perfect substrate for AGI" (14:55) Sponsor: Netsuite | Omneky (15:45) Defining AGI (19:26) How AI agents might interact with Replit (23:20) Replit's "virtual developer" product (31:11) Current state of Replit's AI features like Ghostwriter (41:48) Measuring productivity boost from AI coding tools (45:29) Potential for massive developer productivity gains from AI (48:34) Technical gaps still remaining to achieve advanced AI agents (51:45) Core AI breakthroughs have already occurred (57:35) Timeline for functional AI agents interacting online (01:01:20) Safety considerations for powerful AI agents on Replit (01:08:47) Ethical considerations around AI and consciousness (01:20:36) What constitutes consciousness in an AI system (01:26:30) Should AI systems have rights and protections? (01:30:32) Being polite to AI systems (01:31:59) Advice for beginners looking to leverage AI (01:36:58) Using AI with a Neuralink brain implant (01:43:02) Hopes and fears about AI's impact on society LINKS: https://replit.com/ X: @tylerangert (Tyler) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky  Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive -NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform: NetSuite (http://netsuite.com/cognitive) and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.  -Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. MUSIC CREDIT: MusicLM  This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

This isn't news, it's analysis! Nathan Labenz sits down for an with Zvi Mowshowitz, the writer behind Don't Worry About the Vase to talk about the major players in AI over the last few months. In this extended conversation, Nathan and Zvi debate if AI has attained the intelligence of a well-read college graduate (per OpenAI's Jan Leike), a live player analysis (who to count/ who not to count), and the role of independent red teaming organizations. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Definitely also take a moment to subscribe to Zvi's blog Don't Worry About the Vase (https://thezvi.wordpress.com/) - Zvi is an information hyperprocessor who synthesizes vast amounts of new and ever-evolving information into extremely clear summaries that help educated people keep up with the latest news. Highly recommend. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode preview (03:15) Is AI as intelligent as a college grad? (07:45) Memories and context processing (15:45) Sponsor: NetSuite | Omneky (17:13) Is AI as intelligent as a college grad? cont'd (20:47) Strengths and weaknesses of AI vs human (31:05) OpenAI Superalignment (37:23) The relationship between OpenAI and Anthropic (44:31) Anthropic's security recommendations and adversarial attacks (50:50) Is OpenAI using a constitutional AI approach?  (01:01:26) Context and stochastic parrots (01:10) Is more context better? (01:15:29) Should Nathan work at Anthropic? (01:21:35) Google DeepMind's RT-2 (01:27:47) Multi-modal Med-PaLM (01:31:50) Speculating about Gato (01:35:10) Skepticism about Med-PaLM usage in radiology (01:41:37) Llama 2 - what is going on at Meta?? (01:51:14) Llama 2 vs other models (01:55:29) Who are the live players? (02:01:38) China's AI developments (02:02:41) Character AI and Inflection (02:05:26) Replit as the perfect substrate for AGI (02:10) AI girlfriends (02:18:53) AI safety: The White House (02:25:43) Bottlenecks to progress (02:35:27) Can new players influence AI policy? (02:39:00) Liabilities (02:47:54) Independent red teaming organizations (02:57:18) Mechanistic interpretability X: @labenz (Nathan) @thezvi (Zvi) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast  SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive -NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform: NetSuite (http://netsuite.com/cognitive) and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months. -Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that *actually work* customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. MUSIC CREDIT: MusicLM

Arthur Conmy sits down with Nathan Labenz for an accessible deep dive into the state of interpretability research online today. They discuss how pioneering researchers have painstakingly worked to isolate the sub-circuits within transformers that are responsible for different aspects of AI capabilities. Arthur also introduces us to a new ACDC approach that he and his co-authors have taken to automating some of the most time-consuming parts of this work. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics The Cognitive Revolution is a part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: Turpentine.co TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (04:40) What attracted Arthur to mechanistic interpretability? (07:49) LLM information processing: General Understanding vs Stochastic Parrot Paradigm (14:00) ACDC paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997  (14:45) Sponsors: NetSuite | Omneky (24:30) Putting together data sets  (32:39) How to intervene in LLMs network activity (36:00) Defining metrics to evaluate the production of correct completions (44:20) The future of the mechanistic interpretability research  (50:00) Extracting upstream activations in the ACDC project and evaluating impact on downstream components. (56:00) Anthropic research findings  (01:08:00) 3-Step process of the ACDC approach (01:22:00) Setting a threshold and validation (01:27:00) Goal of the approach (01:32:00) Compute requirements Correction: at (01:33:00), Arthur meant to say = "quadratic in nodes" (01:35:30) Scaling laws for mechanistic interpretability (01:40:00) Accessibility of this research for casual enthusiasts (01:46:00) Emergence discourse (01:56:00) Path to AI safety LINKS: https://arthurconmy.github.io/ https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997  X: @labenz (Nathan) @arthurconmy (Arthur) @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky -NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform: NetSuite (http://netsuite.com/cognitive) and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months. -Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that *actually work* customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Nathan Labenz sits down with Dr. Ronen Dar, CTO and co-founder of Run:ai, an Israel-based company that helps enterprises train and deploy AI models by optimizing GPU usage. The discussion covers how chip makers can meet the soaring demands, geopolitical fears, to the best practices companies can secure compute capacity. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics RECOMMENDATION: The AI Scouting Report Playlist Parts 1-3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hvtiVQ_LqQ&list=PLVfJCYRuaJIXooK_KWju5djdVmEpH81ee TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:51) Introduction to Dr. Ronen Dar (03:30) Run:ai's technology and what differentiates it from other solutions (06:00) Today's market compared to when Dr. Ronen started five years ago (13:40)Run:ai on market competitors like mosaicML (14:55) Sponsors: NetSuite | Omneky (22:00) The process and best practices by which companies secure compute capacity (25:00) Dr. Ronen explains the GPU shortage (31:50) GPU solutions (36:00) Relative pricing across major providers (41:00) What other chip makers are going to be relevant? (49:00) Global outlook for chip production (52:45) Worldview around the US-China AI race (58:00) Can controls on hardware actually control access to AI? LINKS: https://www.run.ai/ SOCIAL MEDIA: @labenz (Nathan) @ronen_dar @runailabs (Run:ai) @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | Omneky Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive -NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform -> NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months. -Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that *actually work* customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

Head over to YouTube to watch Part 2 of The AI Scouting Report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovm4MbQ4G9E), supported by slides and visual aides. In Part 2, Nathan Labenz builds on Part 1: AI Fundamental and delves into recent trends and practical applications for AI. Nathan's aim is to impart the equivalent of a high school AP course understanding to listeners in 90-minute installments. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics Listener comments on Part 1: "Incredible summary! I’ve watched probably 20 videos like this and I’ve always been left with unanswered questions." "This is a really excellent overview! Enjoyed going through this and looking forward to episode 2. Thank you for sharing it on here for free!" "Best 90 minutes this old PhD physicist has spent in a long time!" LINKS: Part 1: https://youtu.be/0hvtiVQ_LqQ Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovm4MbQ4G9E Part 3 released later this week! Questions or topics you want us to review on the podcast? Email [email protected] The Cognitive Revolution is a part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: Turpentine.co TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) SPONSOR: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Nathan Labenz interviews Div Garg, founder of MULTI·ON, the world's first personal AI agent and life copilot. Div talks about the product strategy and roadmap for the MULTI·ON browser, their natural language approach to skills, and the steps they are taking to ensure user safety. Div explains how the platform uses a critic model to detect the success or failure of tasks, and how it can be used to book flights, order food, and more. Div also talks about the future of memory systems, such as the user profile feature, and how it can be used to improve the user experience. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more at turpentine.co Have your AI questions answered on an episode by emailing [email protected] Send your friends our 90 min AI Scouting Report with visual aides! The AI Scouting Report Part 1: The Fundamentals is on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hvtiVQ_LqQ . Part II is coming next week. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode preview (06:42) AI agents applied to everyday life. (12:03) AI-driven automation with browser extension. (15:02) Sponsor: Omneky (18:17) AI-driven automation of web tasks. (23:57) Task automation and planning. (29:43) Automate task completion with user validation. (34:45) Lifelong learning agent with high-level skills (40:19) Guiding users to create skills safely. (46:53) AI assistant to simplify lives. (53:14) Unlock parallelism with AI agents. LINKS: MULTI·ON: https://www.multion.ai/ Div Garg; https://divyanshgarg.com/ TWITTER:  @labenz (Nathan)  @DivGarg9 @eriktorenberg (Erik)  @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky (www.omneky.com) for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music: GoogleLM