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Tim Miller and guests discuss the latest political news for the flagship podcast of the Never Trump movement and the reality-based community. Every weekday we provide insightful analysis, political hot-takes, an unabashed defense of liberal democracy and long-form interviews that cut through the "both-sides" BS. Plus a few laughs to help you wash down the crazy. Bulwark+ members can get a totally ad-free version of the show delivered right to their favorite podcast player.
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Miles Taylor: Imagining a Trump 2.0

Miles Taylor: Imagining a Trump 2.0

Plans are already being drawn up for Trump's revenge plans in a second term, including special counsels to investigate Trump's enemies, a "Sue the Blue" DOJ targeting Democrats, and judicial gerrymandering. Plus, Trump's incestuous Ivanka fantasies. Miles Taylor joins Charlie Sykes. show notes: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Blowback/Miles-Taylor/9781668015988 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
37:4019/07/2023
Tom Nichols: Jack Smith Is Not Screwing Around

Tom Nichols: Jack Smith Is Not Screwing Around

Going after a former president for an attempted coup had seemed like 'mission impossible,' but the special counsel is going big. Meanwhile, Republicans defending him don't seem to care about their country or the Constitution, and the only job Trump could get now is POTUS. Tom Nichols joins Charlie Sykes. show notes: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/rock-me-on-the-water-ronald-brownstein?variant=39387579023394 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
46:1318/07/2023
Ep. 3: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

Ep. 3: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

After Trump's first year in office, the power shifted in Washington. Republicans went from humoring Trump to fearing him. Lindsey Graham surrendered to Trump, and began demonizing anyone who posed a threat to him. The Bulwark Podcast presents The Corruption of Lindsey Graham, with Will Saletan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
34:5717/07/2023
Why Are People Still Sticking With Trump After All This?

Why Are People Still Sticking With Trump After All This?

Cassidy Hutchinson and Sarah Matthews had gumption, while the grown-ass men who were their bosses did not. Plus, the billion $$$ cottage industry around Trump isn't backing him because they believe in him, DeSantis should be ashamed, and what it's like to be on The View. Alyssa Farah joins guest host Tim Miller. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
49:1714/07/2023
Indictments for All the President's Men?

Indictments for All the President's Men?

Prosecuting Trump for Jan 6 presents novel issues, but that's not the case when it comes to Giuliani, Flynn, and Mark Meadows—and charges may be imminent. Plus, a grand jury is seated in Georgia, the Oath Keepers may serve more time, and focus groups are reacting to Trump's legal woes. Ben Wittes joins guest host Sarah Longwell for The Trump Trials. show notes: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/they-ll-be-in-the-room-where-it-happens Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
54:1913/07/2023
Philip Bump: The Self-Disappearing Informant

Philip Bump: The Self-Disappearing Informant

House Republicans keep stepping on rakes when it comes to Hunter Biden: Turns out their 'missing informant' is a fugitive accused of working for the Chinese government. Plus, Dairy Queen is a red-country restaurant and Trump is still an outsider. Philip Bump joins guest host Sonny Bunch. show notes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/10/trump-iowa-dairy-queen/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
34:1112/07/2023
Jay Nordlinger: The Poisonous Nature of Strength Worship

Jay Nordlinger: The Poisonous Nature of Strength Worship

The masculinity contest in the Republican presidential primary ramps up, Chris Christie keeps dropping truth bombs, and the trans issue is the new wall. Plus, Sweden, Ukraine and NATO, and a debate over ending legacy admissions. Jay Nordlinger joins guest host Mona Charen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
40:0911/07/2023
Ep. 2: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

Ep. 2: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

Within days of the 2016 election, Lindsey Graham began transforming into Trump's chief apologist—in an effort to influence him on national security and foreign policy. But to get Trump to stand up to tyrants overseas, the senator soon found himself willing to compromise on rule of law at home. The Bulwark Podcast presents The Corruption of Lindsey Graham, with Will Saletan. Read The Corruption of Lindsey Graham in PDF or Kindle formats at thebulwark.com/lindseygraham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
28:0710/07/2023
Tommy Vietor: David Plouffe Would Have Murdered Us

Tommy Vietor: David Plouffe Would Have Murdered Us

How Obamaworld views the weird attempt by Team DeSantis to mimic Ted Cruz's failed 2016 campaign. Plus, Dems need to stop worrying about Biden and Kamala gaffes, pols like Gavin Newsom need to go on Joe Rogan, and Tim Miller has a world news quiz. Tommy Vietor joins Tim, who's sitting in for Charlie Sykes on the weekend pod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
51:5307/07/2023
Trump Is Going Down

Trump Is Going Down

The docs case against Trump is bigger than Snowden's, the people of South Florida should be cut more slack as a jury pool, and the media is largely ignoring the case of the armed Jan 6 defendant who was outside Obama's home. Ben Wittes joins guest host Tim Miller for The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
46:2206/07/2023
A.B. Stoddard: Governing Is for Wimps

A.B. Stoddard: Governing Is for Wimps

House Republicans are racing to the crazy again as they try to nail down who they're going to impeach. Plus, gaming out why Biden gets so little credit for the economy, and the GOP presidential debate stage may end up quite small. A.B. Stoddard joins guest host Mona Charen. show notes: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/07/05/no_matter_who_shows_the_debates_will_bolster_trump_149457.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
32:4705/07/2023
Ep. 1: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

Ep. 1: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

Lindsey Graham was once one of Donald Trump's fiercest critics—before becoming one of his most important collaborators. His eventual capitulation is really a story about what happened to the whole Republican Party. The Bulwark Podcast presents The Corruption of Lindsey Graham, with Will Saletan. Read The Corruption of Lindsey Graham in PDF or Kindle formats at thebulwark.com/lindseygraham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
26:5303/07/2023
Mark Hertling: How Dangerous Were the Trump Docs?

Mark Hertling: How Dangerous Were the Trump Docs?

If Trump wanted to impress a memoir writer with classified documents, wouldn't he also want to do the same with Putin and MBS? Plus, will the US supply cluster munitions to Ukraine? And the nesting doll of dysfunction in Russia. Lt. Gen Mark Hertling joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend pod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
40:0330/06/2023
TRAILER The Bulwark Podcast Presents: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

TRAILER The Bulwark Podcast Presents: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

Will Saletan has a story to tell: It’s about what’s happened to the United States since Donald Trump began his rise to power eight years ago. It’s about authoritarianism in our own country. But it's not a story about Trump. It’s about his collaborators, and in particular, one collaborator: Senator Lindsey Graham. This special summer podcast series will explain what happened to Graham, and how the story of his gradual corruption can help us to understand how an entire political party, and half of our country, fell under the sway of a candidate, and then a president, who openly attacks democracy, the Constitution, and the rule of law. "The Corruption of Lindsey Graham" starts July 3. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
01:0630/06/2023
Trump’s Bravado Defense

Trump’s Bravado Defense

Charging Trump for Jan 6 just got meaningfully harder after a Supreme Court ruling that has nothing to do with storming the Capitol. Plus, Rudy was Queen for a Day, John Eastman loses in a big way, and the end of affirmative action in higher ed. Ben Wittes is back with Charlie Sykes for The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
44:4329/06/2023
Seth Masket: Trending Trump

Seth Masket: Trending Trump

Grassroots Republican leaders increasingly favor Trump, and he's getting significantly more coverage on CNN than the other candidates. Plus, when Democrats lose, they tend to move to the center. When Republicans do, they tend to move harder right. Seth Masket joins Charlie Sykes today. show notes: https://smotus.substack.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
45:5328/06/2023
Ben Terris: It's Not Going Back to Normal

Ben Terris: It's Not Going Back to Normal

Why is DC so weird? The Washington Post's Ben Terris describes his hitchhiker's guide through the backrooms of Washington to show why normal is not coming back after Trump. Today's pod with Charlie Sykes. show notes: The Big Break by Ben Terris Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
46:4827/06/2023
Will Saletan: A Wannabe Coup

Will Saletan: A Wannabe Coup

After this weekend's mutiny in Russia, the world is suddenly seeing Putin in a new light. Meanwhile, America's wannabe authoritarian goes full martyr, and Chris Christie is making it safe to say Voldemort again. Will Saletan joins guest host Mona Charen today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
45:1526/06/2023
Tim O'Brien: A Clown Rodeo

Tim O'Brien: A Clown Rodeo

The celebrification of running for president continues to grow, Boebert and MTG are a couple of ignoramuses, Schiff gets censured instead of Santos, RFK Jr is a Putin stooge, and Trump is a joke—but the joke's on us. Tim O'Brien joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend pod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
36:1223/06/2023
Trump’s TV Strategy

Trump’s TV Strategy

Trump keeps undermining his own defense, but he's not wrong that if he wins, he can make the cases against him go away. Plus, John Durham gets humiliated again, and justice was served on behalf of police officer Michael Fanone. Ben Wittes is back with Charlie Sykes for The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
41:1222/06/2023
Andrew Weissmann: Jack Smith Cometh

Andrew Weissmann: Jack Smith Cometh

Special Counsel Jack Smith is racing the clock, Justices Alito and Thomas seem to be taking cues from Donald Trump's "What are you gonna do about it?" approach to following rules, Republicans are against the IRS and gun laws unless Hunter is involved, and Barr's about-face is way too little, way too late. Andrew Weissmann joins Charlie Sykes today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
41:5121/06/2023
Chris Christie: Why I Want to Beat Trump

Chris Christie: Why I Want to Beat Trump

Gov. Christie joins Charlie Sykes to explain campaign strategy, his error in judgment in 2016, and how Trump knows he lost. Plus, why Trump voters expect him to join the candidate debates, and the worst manager in the history of the presidency. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
39:4820/06/2023
Will Saletan: Welcome to the Resistance, Bill Barr

Will Saletan: Welcome to the Resistance, Bill Barr

Former AG Barr protected Trump while he obstructed justice, but he's now staked out a spot in the anti-Trump coalition. Plus, Tim Scott tests out being a hack, Pence lacks self-awareness, and did Merrick Garland self-deter? Will Saletan's back with Charlie Sykes for Charlie and Will Monday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
51:1219/06/2023
Tim Miller: A Season of Grifters and Crackpots

Tim Miller: A Season of Grifters and Crackpots

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has found the sweet spot in the horseshoe— between QAnon-ers waiting for JFK, Jr. and the weirdo, anti-vaxxers in the Dems. Plus, grifting tech bros, the likely malice behind No Labels, and Marco's relief that Trump is (probably) not a spy. Tim Miller joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend pod.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
43:4516/06/2023
Jack Smith's Steely-Eyed Gaze

Jack Smith's Steely-Eyed Gaze

The special prosecutor had his eyes on Trump during the arraignment, but Trump—who seemed tired and resigned—didn't even look at him once. Plus, what if Judge Aileen Cannon assists the ex-POTUS with his defense? Lawfare's Ben Wittes and Anna Bower join Charlie Sykes for The Trials of Trump. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
44:3615/06/2023
Adam Kinzinger: The Freak Prom

Adam Kinzinger: The Freak Prom

Trump likes to convey that he is invincible and has a massive army of people behind him. But he's scared and deflated. And many in the cult behind him are wanna-be celebs—or were the uncool kids in high school. Plus, the Freedom Caucus revolt in the House. Adam Kinzinger joins Charlie Sykes today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
41:5214/06/2023
Michael Weiss: Perp Walks and Counteroffensives

Michael Weiss: Perp Walks and Counteroffensives

Even after winning the White House, Trump is still the consummate grifter who's got no time for political correctness or following the law—whether it's a parking ticket or a federal crime. Plus, the Ukrainian counteroffensive and the dam disaster. Michael Weiss joins Charlie Sykes today. show notes: https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1668358841895927813?s=20 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
43:5513/06/2023
Will Saletan: A World Series of Whataboutism

Will Saletan: A World Series of Whataboutism

Republicans spent the weekend defending Trump by pointing to Biden, Pence, other ex-presidents, and of course, Hillary. In MAGA-land, he's always exempt from responsibility. Meanwhile, their excuses could set off a mob—again. Will Saletan's back with Charlie Sykes for Charlie and Will Monday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
50:5512/06/2023
Listen to the Indictment

Listen to the Indictment

This is a reading of the classified documents indictment against former President Trump that was unsealed by the Justice Department on Friday. Parts of the text have been edited for clarity and ease of listening. The recording was produced using an artificial voice generator. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
52:2610/06/2023
Tim Miller and Bill Kristol: Rally Around the Felon

Tim Miller and Bill Kristol: Rally Around the Felon

Fox calls Trump's prosecution an insurrection. The GOP shrug off his hoarding, hiding, and sharing of top secret national security docs. But our justice system is working, and the feds are going to perp walk an ex-POTUS for the first time. Bill Kristol and Tim Miller join Charlie Sykes for the weekend pod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
57:5509/06/2023
          Wait, Is This Guy a Freakin' Criminal?

Wait, Is This Guy a Freakin' Criminal?

Jack Smith will need a barn burner of a case, rich in facts, and one that holds up under the scrutiny of conservative legal analysts on Fox. Plus, Pence is simultaneously for the rule of law and letting Trump slide. Ben Wittes is back with Charlie Sykes for The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
47:5408/06/2023
A.B. Stoddard: Christie Brought the Hot Sauce

A.B. Stoddard: Christie Brought the Hot Sauce

Chris Christie launched his presidential campaign by calling out Trump—and hit him on the kleptocracy, the hypocrisy, and the lying. Plus, the Freedom Caucus punishes McCarthy, Licht only had an elevator pitch—not a plan for CNN, and the PGA rolls over for the Saudis. A.B. Stoddard joins Charlie Sykes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
42:0207/06/2023
Astead Herndon: Our Broken Politics

Astead Herndon: Our Broken Politics

Too many of today's politicians don't care that they are undermining their own parties with messages the general public doesn't support. Plus, the donor class grifting of No Labels, and how the Scott Walker era in Wisconsin prepared us for the Trump era. Astead Herndon joins Charlie Sykes. show notes: https://www.nytimes.com/column/election-run-up-podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
42:1706/06/2023
Will Saletan: The Dem’s RFK, Jr. Problem

Will Saletan: The Dem’s RFK, Jr. Problem

Steve Bannon and company are helping give anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy a boost in the polls, Trump gets challenged from the right on foreign policy, Haley is fantastically cynical, and CNN tried to make Trump happy. Will Saletan is back with Charlie Sykes for Charlie and Will Monday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
50:1105/06/2023
Tim Miller: Normal v Crazy

Tim Miller: Normal v Crazy

It wasn't like the boring 90s, but politics this week felt almost normal. Meanwhile, Trump's bleats are getting more demented and DeSantis is all-in on attacking him for fast-tracking a vaccine. Plus, the war on Pride Month. Tim Miller is back with Charlie Sykes for the weekend pod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
43:5202/06/2023
Lordy, There Are Tapes

Lordy, There Are Tapes

Trump's own recorded words appear to undercut his already weak defense that he had declassified the documents he took from the White House—and he may have invited a charge under the Espionage Act. Ben Wittes joins Charlie Sykes for the latest edition of The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
46:0601/06/2023
Michael Steele: We're Way Past Kumbaya

Michael Steele: We're Way Past Kumbaya

The media thinks the GOP base could still want 'Morning in America,' Citizens United is keeping no-hopers in the race, Charlie totally called it on Tara Reade Biden made McCarthy grow up, and MAGA world turns to infighting. Michael Steele joins Charlie Sykes today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
43:2131/05/2023
Tom Nichols: Knuckleheads with Flamethrowers

Tom Nichols: Knuckleheads with Flamethrowers

McCarthy cut a normal deal with Biden when the GOP caucus couldn't agree on what to demand—beyond just shouting and pounding the table. Plus, missing Brezhnev, waiting for a haymaker, and DeSantis is angry and weird, but not as dangerous as Trump. Tom Nichols joins Charlie Sykes today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
47:1830/05/2023
Luke Russert: Look for Me There

Luke Russert: Look for Me There

In the summer of 2016, on the eve of the Republican and Democratic conventions, Luke Russert—an NBC News star and a scion of media royalty—walked away from it all. Russert joins Charlie Sykes for a special Memorial Day weekend pod to share a story of parental love, loss, and finding your own way. show notes: https://www.harpercollinsfocus.com/9780785291817/look-for-me-there/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
46:4426/05/2023
Indictment Time?

Indictment Time?

Jack Smith is wrapping up his investigation into the Mar-a-Lago classified document collection, and Trump world is bracing for indictments. Plus, defamation, court dates, and the actor playing a human launches his presidential campaign. Ben Wittes and Quinta Jurecic join Charlie Sykes for The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
46:3625/05/2023
David Frum: Losing the Dominance Primary

David Frum: Losing the Dominance Primary

DeSantis claims he doesn't back down, but most of the time, he is flinching and cowering—and now he's allowing Musk to push him around. Plus, Trump v Kamala, felons can't vote for themselves in Florida, and the Russians fighting for Ukraine. David Frum joins Charlie Sykes today. show notes: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/joe-biden-health-versus-donald-trump-indictments/673989/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/durham-report-fbi-trump-russia/674088/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
36:2424/05/2023
Philip Bump: Running Against Reality

Philip Bump: Running Against Reality

Reality is Kari Lake's biggest opponent, Tim Scott is warmly welcomed into a growing candidate field, Biden gets blamed for guns, and younger voters are more likely to vote for Democrats. Plus, did Twitter grave-rob a username for DeSantis? The Washington Post's Philip Bump joins Charlie Sykes today. show notes: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/696653/the-aftermath-by-philip-bump/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
39:3123/05/2023
Will Saletan: Is Tim Scott Running a Potemkin Campaign?

Will Saletan: Is Tim Scott Running a Potemkin Campaign?

Are Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, and Mike Pence really running for the VP slot—or a chance to increase their speaking fees? Plus, Trump is still an extortionist, the GOP's not a serious governing party, and Fox created the market for the homeless vet hoax. Will Saletan is back with Charlie Sykes for Charlie and Will Monday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
54:1922/05/2023
The Bulwark: Live from New York

The Bulwark: Live from New York

Charlie Sykes and Tim Miller held court on the Upper West Side Thursday night, weighing in on Rudy's medical experiments on himself, Disney's humiliation of DeSantis, Trump's legal setbacks in his own hometown, and more. Plus, Charlie and Tim play "Name That Musical" for your weekend pod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
45:0319/05/2023
Steve Vladeck: The Supreme Court's Shadow Docket

Steve Vladeck: The Supreme Court's Shadow Docket

Justice Alito frequently complains that critics of the court are trying to delegitimize it. But it's the Supreme Court's own actions—including its late-night, unsigned, and unexplained decisions on the shadow docket— that are undermining the institution. Steve Vladeck joins Charlie Sykes today. show notes https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/contributor/stephen-vladeck/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
43:5418/05/2023
Durham's Fizzle

Durham's Fizzle

John Durham didn't report anything new, and he took longer to produce less useful material than Mueller did to expose Russian election interference in 2016—Mueller also had Flynn and Manafort indicted. Plus, only Benedict Arnold has fallen as far as Rudy. Ben Wittes is back for The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
42:0117/05/2023
Anne Applebaum: The Case for a Complete Ukrainian Victory

Anne Applebaum: The Case for a Complete Ukrainian Victory

Ukraine's freedom is on the line, but America's role in the world is also at stake. And if a democratic Ukraine can win against autocratic Russia, the world's geopolitics could be altered for a generation. Anne Applebaum joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. show notes: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/counteroffensive-ukraine-zelensky-crimea/673781/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
34:4216/05/2023
Will Saletan: We Are Not the Crazy Ones

Will Saletan: We Are Not the Crazy Ones

DeSantis tries to pretend he's normal, James Comer can't find his Biden informants, Republicans are disappointed there's not a bigger crisis at the border, Trump wants Mike QAnon Flynn back as an adviser, and Lindsey can't stop rationalizing. Will Saletan is back with Charlie Sykes for Charlie and Will Monday. https://specialto.thebulwark.com/p/the-corruption-of-lindsey-graham?itm_source=parsely-api Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
46:0115/05/2023
Richard Reeves: The Trouble with Boys

Richard Reeves: The Trouble with Boys

Girls are blowing past boys in school, and while most men are poorer than they were 50 years ago, women's incomes have risen across the board. A new kind of gender inequality is drawing men into MAGA's poisonous politics. Richard Reeves joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend podcast. show notes:  https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780815739883/Of-Boys-and-Men-Why-the-Modern-Male-Is-Struggling-Why-It-Matters-and-What-to-Do-about-It  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
43:5312/05/2023
Trump vs Law and Order

Trump vs Law and Order

From promising a general amnesty to Jan 6 rioters, to re-victimizing E. Jean Carroll on CNN's town hall, and calling a police officer a thug, Trump is sure making it easy for Biden to claim the mantle of law and order. Tim Miller, Ben Wittes, and Roger Parloff join Charlie Sykes for The Trump Trials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
55:0811/05/2023