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Tim Miller and guests discuss the latest political news for the flagship podcast of the Never Trump movement and the reality-based community. Every weekday we provide insightful analysis, political hot-takes, an unabashed defense of liberal democracy and long-form interviews that cut through the "both-sides" BS. Plus a few laughs to help you wash down the crazy.
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Bill Kristol: Not Resigned to a Trump Presidency
We begin with a rejection of the fatalist rhetoric from the left. It may be an uphill battle, but the pro-democracy forces have to keep our morale up and be creative. Also the debate around political rhetoric after the assassination attempt is way out ahead of the facts and needs some context. Plus, the Republican convention, Aileen Cannon’s ludicrous dismissal, Axios’ credulous report on Trump’s new tone, and the VP pick. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
The 2019 piece Tim referenced
41:4115/07/2024
Sam Stein: Violence Is Not the Answer
In this bonus episode following the assassination attempt on Trump, The Bulwark's managing editor Sam Stein joins Tim Miller to discuss the precarious moment we are in, how to dial back the temperature, and how both parties should respond to the violence.
show notes:
Bill Maher on the shooting
Rep. Andy Kim's response to the shooting
38:0814/07/2024
Amanda Carpenter: A Life or Death Bet
Not having dementia is not enough to change the dynamic. Biden needs a proactive message against Trump. Meanwhile, you don't have to play 'Connect the Dots' to see the overlap between Project 2025 and Trump—and members of the media claiming he has a 'new tone' are like frogs in boiling water. Plus, more from the mailbag. Amanda Carpenter is back with Tim Miller for the weekend pod.
show notes:
Tim's playlist
The Authoritarian Playbook for 2025
55:3212/07/2024
David French: Trump Tries To Run Away from the Christian Nationalists
Inviting "populist slut hero" Amber Rose to speak at the Republican convention and adjusting the platform on abortion—Trump is trying to distance himself from MAGA's Christian fundamentalist ranks. Meanwhile, the Christian Nationalist project to turn the constitutional clock back 70 years continues apace. Plus, the effort to get Biden to leave the ticket is not a conspiracy—but the sign of a working party. David French joins Tim Miller.
show notes
David's recent column on the Supreme Court
55:3011/07/2024
Ezra Klein: A Path to Defeat
Top Democrats say they don't see a way for Biden to win, and some are resigning themselves to being the resistance against Trump, despite the threat he poses to our democracy. Batten down the hatches—this interview is a tough listen. Ezra Klein joins Tim Miller.
show notes
Ezra's piece from February
Ezra's book recommendation, "Health and Safety: A Breakdown"
59:3610/07/2024
Bakari Sellers and Elaina Plott Calabro: The Case for Riding with Biden
This is not a moment for a politician's origin story or soaring oratory. Some think that means dancing with the one that brung ya. But maybe it’s a moment for someone who could prosecute the case against Donald Trump—making it a perfect time to reintroduce Kamala Harris to voters. Elaina Plott Calabro and Bakari Sellers join Tim Miller.
show notes
Elaina's story, "The White House’s Kamala Harris Blunder"
49:3709/07/2024
Bill Kristol: The Joe Biden Survival Plan
It would have been nice if Biden had gone on Morning Joe the day after the debate instead of waiting 11 days. But he still is not providing a forward-looking message or explaining why he's the one to beat Trump. Meanwhile, Kamala is showing what an aggressive, proactive campaign looks like. Plus, Project 2025 moves into the spotlight, and the good news for democracy coming from overseas.
47:1308/07/2024
Annie Lowrey: The Worst Best Economy
Housing prices, the cost of insurance, and sticker shock at the supermarket are still stressing Americans out even while the economy is booming. Annie Lowrey joins Tim Miller to discuss the limited housing stock, the economic benefits of immigrant labor, and shrinking income inequality. Plus, the media does shape opinion, but Joe Biden's oldness is self-evident.
show notes:
Annie's piece on the worst best economy
Annie's book on universal basic income, "Give People Money"
Annie's piece on inflation
43:5105/07/2024
Clint Smith: A Reckoning with History
Author, poet, and native New Orleanian Clint Smith grew up in the city that was the heart of the domestic slave trade, but realized his understanding of the history within himself and his country was inadequate. So he set out to write the type of book he should have had in high school. On this Independence Day, we pulled a special selection from the Tim Miller Bulwark archive. Plus, love for the Crescent City, and dads getting too much credit for pulling their weight.
show notes
Clint's book, "How the Word Is Passed: A Reckoning with the History of Slavery Across America"
Clint's book of poetry, "Above Ground"
Clint's "The Man Who Became Uncle Tom"
Tim's 4th of July playlist
Jefferson's letter
01:00:2104/07/2024
Jon Lovett: Unprecedented Times
The quiet coming from the White House sure suggests that the people around the president don't think Joe at his best can overcome Joe at his worst. Jon Lovett joins Tim Miller to discuss all the possible options as the world waits for Biden to say what he's going to do.
55:3803/07/2024
Ben Wittes and Steven Shepard: He Is Still a Criminal
No matter how much the Supreme Court pretends that the words 'high crimes and misdemeanors' are not explicitly in the Constitution, Donald Trump is still a disqualified law-breaker and is exactly the kind of guy the Founding Fathers warned us about. Character is now the only real check on presidential power. Plus, if push comes to shove, what are the basic rules that govern a change at the top of the ticket? Ben Wittes and Steven Shepard join Tim Miller.
01:00:0002/07/2024
Tom Nichols: Political Malpractice
All Americans who love this country and hate Donald Trump deserve answers about Thursday's abysmal performance—and how we are going to move forward. And do not answer our doubts about Biden and his staff with a MAGA-style blaming-the-press bit. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court recklessly assists Trump yet again, and Bannon goes to the big house. Tom Nichols joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
Mika Brzezinski on Joe Biden
57:1201/07/2024
Sarah Longwell, Jonathan V. Last, and Jonathan Martin: A Disaster
The Secret Pod makes an emergency appearance to work through last night's terrible performance by Biden and to urge the Democratic Party to do the responsible thing in this moment. And Jonathan Martin discusses the strategy behind Biden's failed gamble and whether sitting Democrats would actually publicly push the president to leave the ticket. Sarah Longwell, JVL, and Martin join Tim Miller for the weekend pod.
show notes:
Claire McCaskill on Biden's performance
David Frum on the debate
Tim's playlist
01:09:4828/06/2024
Kate Bedingfield and Marc Caputo: Debate Day
Former White House comms director Kate Bedingfield serves up some keen insights into Poppa Joe—he is a night person, he regularly seeks out Jill's opinion, and he is a calming influence. And he's probably not as anxious as Tim Miller is about tonight's debate. Meanwhile, Marc Caputo reports from Magaville on Trump's posturing that he is definitely, absolutely not at all prepping for the debate. Your pre-fight night comfort food to calm the jitters.
show notes:
Kevin Williamson piece Tim mentioned
49:2627/06/2024
Stuart Stevens: I think Joe Biden Has Been A Great President
So many of the people who worked around POTUS 44 think no one will ever be as good as Obama, but Stuart Stevens argues that Democrats need to make the case that Joe Biden is a great president. Meanwhile, Dems on Tuesday showed they are the one party holding their crazy people to account. Plus, Vance is too smart to be Trump's VP pick, more Republicans need to follow Kinzinger's example, and Ole Miss, college sports and civil rights. Tim Miller's show today.
show notes:
Stuart's latest book, "The Conspiracy to End America"
Stuart's book, "The Last Season: A Father, a Son, and a Lifetime of College Football"
Wright Thompson's piece on Ole Miss in 1962
Stuart's piece on calling Biden a great president
42:3726/06/2024
Symone Sanders-Townsend: Don't Say We Didn't Warn You
Project 2025 sounds mundane, but it would institutionalize Trumpism, eliminate the Department of Education, mass deport 11 million people, and turn the Department of Health and Human Services into the Department of "Life." Plus, more from the mailbag, and Biden finding the sweet spot between Uncle Joe and punching Trump in the face. Symone Sanders-Townsend joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
Symone's interview on Project 2025
MSNBC Live: Democracy 2024 event in September
Tim's Mount Rushmore of political books:
"What It Takes: The Way to the White House"
"Losers," by Michael Lewis
"Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72"
Harry McPherson's "A Political Education"
44:1425/06/2024
Jared Polis and Bill Kristol: Live from Denver
Gov. Jared Polis says Biden should focus on what he'll do for the American people in his campaign, rather than getting caught up in the crazy of Trump. Plus, guns, weed, the value of talking across party lines, and how Colorado is trying to avoid California's housing and growth problems. Tim Miller was live with Polis on Friday. And Bill Kristol joined Monday to discuss Trump's penchant for lying and to preview Tuesday's primaries.
56:0424/06/2024
Jane Coaston: He's So Not a Badass
Trump is not drawing support from black voters because of his criminality—that's just MAGA's bigotry of low expectations. Meanwhile, he's now promising a green card to every foreign Harvard grad to please tech bro donors. Plus, the attempt to create a race war over Caitlin Clark, the annoying liberals on the coasts are creating MAGA reactionaries, and more from the mailbag. Jane Coaston joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod.
show notes:
Reid Hoffman's reply to David Sacks
Tim interviews Reid Hoffman
Tim's playlist
58:0121/06/2024
Adam Kinzinger: Bat**** Crazy
Felon 45 didn't even really like being president and no one is taking his ludicrous tariff plan seriously—but Republicans can't stop tripping over each other to show him their fealty. Plus, Putin's desperate trip to North Korea, Netanyahu shows his ingratitude to Biden, the national debt keeps growing, and Trump's fond memories for his glory days on The Apprentice.
39:0120/06/2024
George Packer: Phoenix, the Most American City
Phoenix is a microcosm of the big issues in the election and the country generally, including political extremism, climate change, and the border. But when it comes to the state's water crisis, Arizonians are showing signs of sanity—by accepting facts and downplaying partisanship. Could the city be a guide for America's future? George Packer joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
George's piece on Phoenix
George's 2019 piece on his son's education
50:2919/06/2024
Lauren Windsor and Ben Wittes: A Deep Rot
Justice Alito and his wife seem to have some pretty deep and dark feelings about the people they dislike. Tim Miller also asks Lauren Windsor about the ethics of her undercover recordings. Plus, Ben Wittes shares his predictions for a presidential immunity ruling, his praise for Amy Coney Barrett's handing of the case, and his observations about the criminals Trump unapologetically hangs out with.
show notes:
Justice Alito's 2022 Notre Dame speech
Lawfare's piece on a presidential self-pardon
51:4218/06/2024
Will Saletan: Nonstop Shamelessness
Trump visited an African American church in Detroit and the pews were filled with white people; Republicans keep flooding social media with cropped videos to smear Biden; and foreign policy hawks, like Tom Cotton, now say we should be standing up to our allies, not Putin. MAGA land can't quit its shamelessness. Will Saletan joins Tim Miller, who is back from vacation.
show notes:
Detroit reporter shared images from Trump's Black church event
46:2917/06/2024
Jonathan V. Last and Ben Raderstorf: Retribution Agenda
Republicans had a tête-à-tête with Trump to remind him how, if he wins, he should extend the tax cuts before he gets tied up with punishing all his enemies. Meanwhile, should Biden suggest extending the tax cuts so CEOs can end their flirtation with authoritarianism? Plus, the value of 'agreeing to disagree' in the pro-democracy coalition. JVL and Protect Democracy's Ben Raderstorf join guest host Amanda Carpenter.
show notes:
Protect Democracy's "If you can keep it" newsletter
JVL's newsletter piece on Truth Social
JVL's newsletter piece on the Epoch Times
52:2613/06/2024
Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lerer: The Inside Story of the Fall of Roe
A coalition of Christian lawyers, activists, and politicians methodically and secretly took down Roe, and in the process, outsmarted Democrats who believed they had permanently won on the issue of abortion. And the end of Roe v Wade is just the beginning of an effort to roll back the sexual revolution. Lisa Lerer and Elizabeth Dias join guest host A.B. Stoddard today.
show notes:
Elizabeth's and Lisa's book, "The Fall of Roe: The Rise of a New America"
31:4212/06/2024
Jennifer Senior: Secrets and Lies
Pulitzer-Prize winning Jen Senior joins Tim Miller for a free-form conversation about jail-bound, faux martyr Steve Bannon, the debilitating reality of living with long Covid, unearthing a family trauma, and how Americans with differing political persuasions can find their way to back to each other.
show notes:
Jen's story on her Aunt Adele
Jen's "On Grief," originally published as the Pulitzer-winning, "What Bobby McIlvane Left Behind."
59:3311/06/2024
Bill Kristol: Tuberville's Policy Is the Same as Trump's
Tommy Tuberville's know-nothing appeasement of Putin lines up exactly with where the ex-POTUS is—Biden should be making Trumpworld squirm over that fact. Plus, the antisemitic white nationalists who could be back at the White House next year, the far-right's momentum in Europe, and the curious case of why Trump would be reluctant to release the Epstein file. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.
49:5310/06/2024
Mike Madrid: The Latino Century
Young Latinos are a giant emerging voter bloc with populist leanings—who also favor tougher border security. If Trump was to win reelection, it would ironically be because these voters put him over the top. How can Democrats reach them? Mike Madrid joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod. Plus, in a mega-mailbag segment, Tim gets personal and shares the story of his daughter's adoption.
show notes:
Mike's new book, "The Latino Century"
Tim's playlist
49:0807/06/2024
Adam Kinzinger: The New Axis Power Alliance
This D-Day is a good reminder that the growing nationalist movement across the globe aims to undermine the alliance between free and democratic countries. Meanwhile, Trump gets two stooges on the House Intelligence Committee who will have access to top national defense secrets. Plus, his New York conviction is the Big Lie 2.0, and Biden's executive order on immigration. Adam Kinzinger joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
Piece on Jared's anti-NATO memorial
The Allahpundit piece Tim mentioned
New Republic story on Tucker and Erik Prince
Send your mailbag questions here: [email protected]
48:5306/06/2024
Will Saletan and McKay Coppins: Fear and Loathing
Trump and MAGA, with all their banana republic claims, are not being America First—they're being anti-American, and renouncing the country they live in. Meanwhile, the WSJ goes dog bites man on Biden, Europeans are fixated on our election and terrified Trump will win, and the GOP's new Hunter-inspired concern about enforcing gun laws. Plus, will Mitt endorse Joe? McKay Coppins and Will Saletan join Tim Miller.
show notes:
McKay's piece, "What Europe Fears"
JVL's response to Romney
Clip from Seinfeld's first Izzy Mandelbaum episode
59:0905/06/2024
Ritchie Torres and Ben Smith: Pride and Priors
Rep. Ritchie Torres joins Tim Miller to discuss how to win working-class voters, his Dickensian upbringing, and Israel under the microscope of 24-hour news. Plus, mental health, Pride, and Trump as the GOP's new lord and savior. Then, Ben Smith talks about Americans fragmenting the media universe, and the Epoch Times grift.
show notes:
Torres talking about being a Zionist after being heckled
New Yorker piece on Guo Wengui that Ben mentioned
53:0104/06/2024
Bill Kristol: Rally Around the Flag
This is a good moment for Biden to proudly raise the flag right-side up, and share his love of America—even as his Justice Department's prosecution of Hunter gets underway. Meanwhile, the extremism from the country-in-distress crowd continues to be over-the-top, including Felon 45 emboldening vigilante groups to act on his behalf. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
ABC News video of WWII vets arriving in France
Other footage of US vets at Charles-de-Gaulle Airport
Vets arriving in Normandy
James Carville on Bill Kristol's pod
41:1703/06/2024
Ben Wittes and Ron Filipkowski: Guilty!
Donald Trump collaborated with a slimy crew to break the law, and it may have swung the 2016 election. Russia's election interference was troubling—and so is the National Enquirer's. And the deranged response from MAGA goons to his conviction only shows how much Trumpworld operates like an organized crime syndicate. Ben Wittes and Ron Filipkowski join Tim Miller for the weekend pod.
show notes:
Tim's interview with Ron on The Next Level
Tim's playlist
Tim's special GUILTY! playlist
01:01:3331/05/2024
Derek Thompson: Negativity Bias
America is currently stuck in a negativity vibe, and it's shaping the media we consume, impacting how we look at the economy, and contributing to the anxiety of our teens. Can we fairly blame it all on Donald Trump? Plus, the brilliance of Victor Wembanyama and the age of the do-it-all center in the NBA. Derek Thompson joins Tim Miller.
Show Notes:
https://blueprint2024.com/analysis/optimism-pessism-youth-poll/
53:1230/05/2024
David Frum: Complete Chaos
If Trump were to win, his plans to sabotage the Justice Department and consolidate power would plunge the country into chaos: Our government would be disabled, Americans would pour into the streets, and our enemies would be very happy. Plus, Alito is not being on the level, and a helpful primer on Mexico's election this weekend.
show notes:
Press Advance podcast episode when Tim was a guest
45:4729/05/2024
John Heilemann: Piss and Vinegar
If persuadable voters are going to back an octogenarian, they are going to need to see less caution—and more piss and vinegar from Biden to combat Trump's "me strong, you weak" schtick. Meanwhile, TFG and RFK, Jr face-planted at the Libertarian convention, James Carville's advice for the Dems, and a tribute to an American original, Bill Walton.
show notes:
Biden in 2020 calling a voter fat, and a "damn liar"
Biden's address at West Point
Heilemann's Puck newsletter
51:3328/05/2024
Sarah Longwell and A.B. Stoddard: Won't Get Fooled Again
First off, Nikki, you're canceled. And while Trump's out on bail flaunting his partnership with Putin and showcasing two men charged with murder, too many members of the media are covering 2024 like it's a normal campaign. Plus, Ted Cruz gets owned, Alito has too many flags, and Dems keep sending progressive DAs packing.
show notes:
Kaitlin Colllins' full exchange with Cruz on accepting election results
Tim's interview with SF DA Brooke Jenkins
Tim's playlist
57:1024/05/2024
Jasmine Crockett: Nikki Haley and B6
Rep. Jasmine Crockett joins Tim Miller to talk about the origins of "bleach blond bad built butch body," what it's like to work with a House GOP that spends most of its time on pro-Trump messaging instead of serving the public, and African American voters in 2024. Plus, Tim's thoughts on Nikki Haley.
42:5923/05/2024
James Comey and Ben Wittes: A Demagogue Our Founders Feared
Former FBI Director James Comey joins Tim Miller to discuss the choices he made in 2016, the DOJ's self-sabotaging avoidance of the media, and how to maintain your integrity and principles in the face of a lying, lawless bastard. Plus, Ben Wittes in New York updates the status of the Trump trial, and praises the fairness of Judge Merchan.
show notes:
Comey's new crime novel
Ben on Judge Merchan
58:4422/05/2024
Rick Wilson: The Reich Stuff
The "unified Reich" reference was no accident: Trump is aiming to both fire up the base and court public controversy. Meanwhile, Giuliani is hawking sedition coffee, Marco Rubio is auditioning for secretary of state, and the UN had a dumbass reaction to the Iranian president's death. Rick Wilson joins Tim Miller today.
show notes:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-killing-of-roger-fortson
44:0221/05/2024
Tom Nichols: The Cult Around the Sad Boy from Queens
Trump has embraced the culture war on guns and abortion, but he is somehow being painted as a moderate again. Meanwhile, Giuliani and Abbott served up fresh reminders that MAGA thinks law and order doesn't apply to them. And today's authoritarians aren't anti-elite—it's just that the wrong elites are in charge. Tom Nichols joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
Tom's piece about Carla, the cat
56:2720/05/2024
Anne Applebaum: A New Propaganda War
Russia, China, and their authoritarian allies are working overtime to poison the idea of democracy everywhere in the world. It's a theme so heartily embraced by MAGA, their messaging is often the same. Plus, coup sympathizer Samuel Alito, Ukraine's high-tech gains and low-tech losses, and our risk of being outflanked by foreign influence in 2024.
Join Tim, Sarah JVL in Denver June 21. Gov Jared Polis is our guest.
Tickets at TheBulwark.com/events.
show notes:
Anne's Atlantic cover story
Anne's forthcoming book, "Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who to Run the World."
Tim's playlist
46:1817/05/2024
Joe Walsh: Red Lines
This election is about being a grownup and making a choice. One candidate is clearly preferable, and a protest vote sends a message to no one. Meanwhile, Biden is not waiting to take the fight to Trump, and Democrats have to call out culture war ugliness. Plus, another installment of "The Right Stuff." Joe Walsh joins Tim Miller today.
53:2016/05/2024
Ben Wittes and Brody Mullins: Code Red
Michael Cohen substantiated 99% of what's needed to prove Trump's hush money reimbursement scheme—and so far, Cohen held his own under the weak defense counsel's cross-exam. Plus, are we past the peak power of the corporate lobbying world? Ben Wittes and the WSJ's Brody Mullins join Tim Miller today.
show notes:
Brody Mulllins' book, "“The Wolves of K Street: The Secret History of How Big Money Took Over Big Government.”
Ben on Michael Cohen, Day 2
46:1415/05/2024
Eddie Glaude Jr.: Biden Needs to Thread the Needle
Joe has to tell campus protesters it's OK to disagree with him—and that they can hold him to account. But if they want to keep the ability to protest, they can't let the knuckle-dragging troglodyte back into power. Plus, pressuring Cornel West, white people are losing their damn minds, again—and is Gen Z really the catastrophic generation? Eddie Glaude joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
Eddie's latest book, "We Are the Leaders We Have Been Looking For."
Eddie's "Democracy in Black: How Race Still Enslaves the American Soul."
52:1014/05/2024
Will Saletan: Trolls and Liars
Today's GOP is not a governing party—it's a grievance and trolling party, and Trump has the nihilist vote all locked up. Meanwhile, Lindsey Graham and others are pushing a Hiroshima model in response to Gaza. And because we all still need to laugh, the pod now has a new segment, "The Right Stuff." Will Saletan joins Tim Miller today.
show notes:
Jonathan Karl on Johnny McEntee
CBS News segment on the mother rescued from Gaza
47:5013/05/2024
Mark Leibovich: The Oracle of Washington
Mike Johnson may have seen the light in the SCIF, but is he scheming with Trump for Jan 6, 2025? Plus, imagining Gavin Newsom 2028 if we get to keep our elections, Biden's age still makes every supporter nervous, Kevin McCarthy's vendetta, and Nikki, the wild card. Mark Leibovich joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod.
Show notes:
Mark's "Thank You for Your Servitude"
Mark's "This Town"
Tim's playlist
53:1810/05/2024
Ben Wittes and Ro Khanna: Stormy Rafah
In New York, we are getting the trial we deserve: It's not about high principles and democracy, but the trashy celebrity culture America let into the White House. Meanwhile, Biden grows more impatient over Israel's plans for Rafah. Plus, the dark overlords of Silicon Valley, and a "new economic patriotism.” Rep. Ro Khanna and Ben Wittes join Tim Miller.
show notes:
Lawfare Daily podcast episode on Israel/Gaza
Full clip from Khanna's conversation with Jewish and Arab students
01:10:2709/05/2024
Adam Kinzinger: A Small Man
The ex-POTUS who claims he was taken down by the deep state is looking even smaller in court, getting scolded by the judge and sitting through testimony about how he and Melania don't sleep in the same bed. Plus, RFK Jr.'s brain worm, winning over the still-going Haley voters, and the plan to ban porn. Adam Kinzinger joins Tim Miller.
show notes:
Tim's interview with Tammy Baldwin
Tim's interview with Colin Allred
41:2108/05/2024
Elizabeth Neumann and Geoff Duncan: Republican Voters Against Trump
Two conservatives describe their break with Trump. Former DHS official Elizabeth Neumann saw both the mafia culture up close and Trump's disinterest in doing the work of being president. He also exploits the rising extremism in the evangelical church. And former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan says he's voting for Biden, and tells Tim Miller that "doing the right thing will never be the wrong thing."
show notes:
Elizabeth's new book, "Kingdom of Rage: The Rise Of Christian Extremism And The Path Back to Peace.”
Geoff's book, "GOP 2.0"
49:2707/05/2024
Bill Kristol and Andrew Egger: Lying Is the Price of Admission
Any apprentice who wants to join Trump's ticket has to prove they won't accept the election results unless Trump wins—and Tim Scott shows he is a willing collaborator. Plus, most students aren't on the side of the protesters, the threat to Biden from the sense of disorder, and the pathology of Kristi Noem. Bill Kristol and Andrew Egger join Tim Miller.
show notes:
Politico story on nonprofits funding Gaza protests
44:2906/05/2024