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SOMEONE ELSE’S MOVIE is just what it says on the label: Each week, an actor, director, screenwriter, critic or industry observer will discuss a film that he or she admires, but had no hand in making. Hosted as genially as possible by Norm Wilner.
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Kristoffer Borgli on The Idiots

Kristoffer Borgli on The Idiots

With his new film Dream Scenario spreading like a virus across the US and Canada, writer-director Kristoffer Borgli steps up for The Idiots, Lars Von Trier’s 1998 drama about a group of people who choose to embrace provocation to shatter the veneer of polite society. Your genial host Norm Wilner is just too genial to do that sort of thing. 
44:3728/11/2023
Liz Whitmere on The Killing of a Sacred Deer

Liz Whitmere on The Killing of a Sacred Deer

With her new short Cold making its world premiere at Toronto's Blood in the Snow film festival this Saturday, actor and filmmaker Liz Whitmere opens up Yorgos Lanthimos' absurdist 2017 tragedy The Killing of a Sacred Deer to see what makes it tick. Your genial host Norm Wilner knows better than to offend Barry Keoghan.
49:3221/11/2023
Chrisann Hessing on What We Do in the Shadows

Chrisann Hessing on What We Do in the Shadows

With her new feature We Will Be Brave playing the Regent Park Film Festival next Friday, November 24th, documentary filmmaker Chrisann Hessing celebrates the bloody good time that is Jemaine Clement and Taika Waititi’s 2014 vampire mockumentary What We Do in the Shadows. Your genial host Norm Wilner has never needed a chore wheel.
40:5214/11/2023
Kyle Armstrong on Keane

Kyle Armstrong on Keane

With his new film Hands That Bind freshly arrived in theaters and on digital in the US and Canada, writer-director Kyle Armstrong digs into Lodge Kerrigan's excruciating 2004 drama Keane, which stars Damian Lewis as a man in a profound state of crisis. Your genial host Norm Wilner is braced and ready.
58:2007/11/2023
Sebastian Back on La Bete

Sebastian Back on La Bete

Happy horny Halloween! With his first feature Verona opening theatrically in Toronto this Friday, November 3rd, and screening in Landmark theaters across Canada on Monday the 6th, writer-director Sebastian Back tackles Walerian Borowczyk's 1975 art-house erotic fantasy horror film La Bete. Your genial host Norm Wilner strongly advises listener discretion. 
45:0831/10/2023
Aaron Jackson and Joshua Sharp on Dolly Parton's Christmas on the Square

Aaron Jackson and Joshua Sharp on Dolly Parton's Christmas on the Square

Sure, Halloween is just around the corner but Dicks! The Musical co-creators and co-stars Joshua Sharp and Aaron Jackson are here to spread the joy of another season, celebrating the 2020 Netflix musical Dolly Parton's Christmas on the Square. Your genial host Norm Wilner is ... surprisingly into it. Dicks! The Musical is in theaters now from A24 and VVS, depending on whether you're in the US or Canada. You can find Aaron and Josh on Instagram at instagram.com/garbagetroll and instagram.com/cluckcluckjoshsharp, respectively. Dolly Parton's Christmas on the Square is currently streaming on Netflix.And hey, the podcast is on Bluesky now! Follow us at semcast.bsky.social 
40:2524/10/2023
Jennifer Cram on Reality Bites

Jennifer Cram on Reality Bites

Casting director turned writer-director Jennifer Cram, whose first feature Sick Girl is in theaters and on demand this Friday, October 20th, tackles Reality Bites, the 1994 comedy that asked Winona Ryder, Ethan Hawke, Janeane Garofalo, Steve Zahn and director Ben Stiller to represent all of Generation X. Your genial host Norm Wilner was there too.
35:0717/10/2023
Vivek Shraya on The Bodyguard

Vivek Shraya on The Bodyguard

With her new web series How to Fail As a Popstar premiering on CBC Gem this Friday, October 13th, multimedia polymath Vivek Shraya is here to discuss the movie that had a profound impact on her younger self: The Bodyguard, Mick Jackson's 1992 thriller-slash-romance starring Whitney Houston as a megastar who hires Kevin Costner as her protection -- only for them to realize their relationship is much more than just professional. Your genial host Norm Wilner always wondered about that rule.
39:5010/10/2023
Carolyn Taylor on 9 to 5

Carolyn Taylor on 9 to 5

With her reality comedy I Have Nothing now streaming on Crave, Baroness Von Sketch Show's Carolyn Taylor is here to tackle Colin Higgins' 9 to 5, the 1980 workplace comedy smash that pitted office workers Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin and Dolly Parton against Dabney Coleman's swaggering jerk of a boss. Your genial host Norm Wilner really wanted to sing the song.
50:5103/10/2023
Michael LeBlanc and Josh Reichmann on Jacob's Ladder

Michael LeBlanc and Josh Reichmann on Jacob's Ladder

With their first feature Tenzin now streaming on CBC Gem and available on digital across North America, directors Michael LeBlanc and Josh Reichmann share their love for Adrian Lyne's 1990 thriller Jacob's Ladder -- you know, the one where Tim Robbins plays a Vietnam veteran who finds life back home even more hellish than it was in country. Your genial host Norm Wilner has some thoughts.
48:0126/09/2023
Luke Higginson on 24 Hour Party People

Luke Higginson on 24 Hour Party People

With his first feature Relax, I'm From the Future opening in the US this Friday, September 22nd -- and having a preview screening in Toronto at the Carlton Cinemas ahead of its official release October 6th -- filmmaker Luke Higginson takes 24 Hour Party People for a spin, celebrating the perfect casting of Steve Coogan as '70s TV presenter Tony Wilson, and pretty much everything else about Michael Winterbottom's 2002 dramedy. Your genial host Norm Wilner is still coming down from TIFF, to be honest.
44:0119/09/2023
Marusya Bociurkiw on All the Beauty and the Bloodshed

Marusya Bociurkiw on All the Beauty and the Bloodshed

With her new documentary Analogue Revolution: How Feminist Media Changed the World premiering Friday at the Atlantic International Film Festival (and playing the Toronto Independent Film Festival on Sunday), professor and filmmaker Marusya Bociurkiw salutes Laura Poitras' Nan Goldin documentary All the Beauty and the Bloodshed -- for obvious reasons. Your genial host Norm Wilner is glad she did.
01:01:0213/09/2023
M.H. Murray on Three Colors Blue

M.H. Murray on Three Colors Blue

Writer-director M.H. Murray -- whose first feature I Don’t Know Who You Are has its world premiere at TIFF this Thursday, September 7th -- salutes Three Colours: Blue, the first film in Krzysztof Kieślowski’s brilliant trilogy of dramas inspired by the themes of the French flag. Your genial host Norm Wilner is just here to be amazed by Juliette Binoche.
53:4405/09/2023
Flashback -- Aaron Abrams on Quick Change

Flashback -- Aaron Abrams on Quick Change

TIFF is coming, but you know what else is? Children Ruin Everything, the second season of which is about to air on The CW in the US for the very first time! And that lets your genial host Norm Wilner reissue the very second episode of this podcast, in which actor, screenwriter and future sitcom star Aaron Abrams attests to the comic perfection of Bill Murray and Howard Franklin's 1990 classic heist comedy Quick Change. Totally holds up.
43:3429/08/2023
Berkley Brady on Beaches

Berkley Brady on Beaches

Calgary filmmaker Berkley Brady, whose first feature Dark Nature is now streaming on Hollywood Suite, professes a lifelong love for Garry Marshall’s Beaches -- the beloved 1988 melodrama starring Bette Midler and Barbara Hershey as lifelong friends who are the wind beneath each other's wings. Your genial host Norm Wilner has something in his eye, okay?
35:2822/08/2023
Morrisa Maltz on Where Is the Friend's House?

Morrisa Maltz on Where Is the Friend's House?

With her first dramatic feature The Unknown Country now in U.S. theaters and dropping on digital next month, filmmaker Morrisa Maltz discusses Abbas Kiarostami's 1987 breakout Where Is the Friend's House?, the observational drama that introduced the Iranian director to the world -- even though he'd been making movies since the '70s. Your genial host Norm Wilner is moving this week, so please keep him in your prayers.
32:1315/08/2023
Jared Moshe on The Full Monty

Jared Moshe on The Full Monty

With his time-travel drama Aporia opening in theaters across North America this Friday, writer-director Jared Moshé is here to salute Peter Cattaneo’s The Full Monty –  the 1997 international smash that made Trainspottting's Robert Carlyle sexy instead of scary.  Your genial host Norm Wilner always knew the guy had it in him.
34:3008/08/2023
William Kaufman on Collateral

William Kaufman on Collateral

With his new thriller The Channel now available on digital and on demand, writer-director William Kaufman drops us into the urban nightmare of Michael Mann's Collateral, the one where Jamie Foxx and Tom Cruise drive around Los Angeles in a murder cab. Your genial host Norm Wilner reminds you: Always tip your driver. Or else.
34:5001/08/2023
Carly Stone on Past Lives

Carly Stone on Past Lives

With her new film North of Normal opening across Canada this week, filmmaker Carly Stone is here to support another new release, Celine Song's stunning drama Past Lives. Your genial host Norm Wilner hopes he and Carly will see you at the 6:30pm screening of North of Normal this Friday, July 28th, at the TIFF Bell Lightbox. Sarah Gadon will be there too!
29:2225/07/2023
Emma Hunter on A League of Their Own

Emma Hunter on A League of Their Own

Actor and comedy dynamo Emma Hunter (The Beaverton, Mary Goes Round, Mr. D and now Moonshine, which returned to CBC this week and just reached the US via The CW) has loved Penny Marshall's 1992 grand slam A League of Their Own since she was a kid. Now she gets to love it on a podcast. Your genial host Norm Wilner is here to supply the stats.
37:0618/07/2023
Mel Eslyn on The Catechism Cataclysm

Mel Eslyn on The Catechism Cataclysm

This week, filmmaker Mel Eslyn -- whose first feature Biosphere, starring Mark Duplass and Sterling K. Brown, is now playing in the US and available to rent on digital across North America -- celebrates Todd Rohal's The Catechism Cataclysm, another weird comedy about two guys going through some stuff. Your genial host Norm Wilner has been waiting twelve years to talk about this movie with somebody. 
25:5211/07/2023
Chuck Russell on Enter the Dragon

Chuck Russell on Enter the Dragon

Veteran genre director Chuck Russell (Nightmare on Elm Street III: Dream Warriors, The Blob, The Mask, Eraser and the new Paradise City) picks Robert Clouse's martial-arts classic Enter the Dragon, leading to a conversation about how Bruce Lee changed action movies in general -- and Chuck's, specifically. Your genial host Norm Wilner has been sitting on this one since last fall, and he's so glad you finally get to hear it.
33:5804/07/2023
Priya Guns on Sorry to Bother You

Priya Guns on Sorry to Bother You

Author and actor Priya Guns -- who co-stars opposite Devery Jacobs in V.T. Nayani's This Place, returning to the TIFF Bell Lightbox in Toronto next Friday, July 7th -- throws down for the genius of Boots Riley's 2018 debut Sorry to Bother You, a movie that doesn't get anywhere near the respect it deserves. Your genial host Norm Wilner has Priya's back on this one.
35:5227/06/2023
Kevin Hegge on Madonna - Truth or Dare

Kevin Hegge on Madonna - Truth or Dare

In advance of the special Pride screening of his New Romantics documentary Tramps! this Thursday, June 22nd, at the Hot Docs Ted Rogers Cinema, filmmaker Kevin Hegge celebrates another music movie: Alek Keshishian's Madonna: Truth or Dare, the 1991 documentary about the controversial Blonde Ambition tour that nudged queer culture into the mainstream. Your genial host Norm Wilner never mastered voguing.
38:0720/06/2023
Lee Demarbre on The Wild Bunch

Lee Demarbre on The Wild Bunch

With his latest feature Enter the Drag Dragon now playing in Saskatoon and opening in Toronto next Friday, filmmaker and exhibitor Lee Demarbre is here to sing the praises of Sam Peckinpah's era-defining 1969 Western The Wild Bunch. Your genial host Norm Wilner is all ears.
33:0613/06/2023
Dan Abramovici on Supercop

Dan Abramovici on Supercop

Actor and filmmaker Dan Abramovici (Ben's At Home, Limnal) is here to celebrate Stanley Tong's 1992 action picture Police Story III, better known as Supercop -- you know, the one where Michelle Yeoh jumps a motorcycle onto a moving train, Jackie Chan hangs from a helicopter, and your genial host Norm Wilner can't watch it without anxiety.
59:5606/06/2023
Sean Gunn on Nashville

Sean Gunn on Nashville

It's our 450th episode. and actor Sean Gunn -- fresh from playing both Kraglin the Ravager and Rocket the raccoon in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 -- is here to run through Robert Altman's epic 1975 masterpiece Nashville in just under half an hour while your genial host Norm Wilner makes the most of every minute. Who wouldn't, really?
33:2630/05/2023
Robert Connolly on The Navigator - A Medieval Odyssey

Robert Connolly on The Navigator - A Medieval Odyssey

With his latest film Blueback now available on digital and on demand across North America, director Robert Connolly (The Bank, Paper Planes, The Dry) is here to discuss how Vincent Ward's genre-bending 1988 fantasy The Navigator: A Medieval Odyssey changed the trajectory of his life and career. Your genial host Norm Wilner can see how that could happen.
55:5123/05/2023
Adrian Murray on Dazed and Confused

Adrian Murray on Dazed and Confused

With his second feature Retrograde opening across Canada this Friday, writer-director Adrian Murray celebrates the 30th anniversary of Richard Linklater’s cult classic Dazed and Confused -- the one about some teenagers in Austin, Texas on the last day of school in 1976. Your genial host Norm Wilner loves this one, man: He gets older, but the movie stays the same. 
39:2116/05/2023
Ian Carpenter on Gummo

Ian Carpenter on Gummo

Writer and producer Ian Carpenter (Shudder's Slasher: Ripper, Tubi's Marry, F***, Kill) brings Harmony Korine's 1997 directorial debut Gummo onto the podcast ... and finds himself re-evalluating the movie that rocked his world a quarter-century ago. Your genial host Norm Wilner has totally been there, just not with Gummo.
56:1709/05/2023
Alex Lehmann on Nine Days

Alex Lehmann on Nine Days

With his new drama Acidman now available on VOD in North America, filmmaker Alex Lehmann (Blue Jay, Paddleton, Meet Cute) salutes Nine Days, Edson Oda's metaphysical masterwork starring Winston Duke as a man who spends his afterlife auditioning souls to be born into the world. It sounds heavy, but it's light as air ... and just as essential. Your genial host Norm Wilner is all in on this one.
46:2002/05/2023
Melanie Scrofano on Inglourious Basterds

Melanie Scrofano on Inglourious Basterds

Before she starts pursuing Emily Hampshire and annoying Jonas Chernick in Sean Garrity’s The End of Sex, opening across Canada this Friday, actor and occasional director Melanie Scrofano fulfills a promise made years ago and shares her love for Quentin Tarantino’s 2009 WWII extravaganza Inglourious Basterds. Your genial host Norm Wilner has been waiting seven years for this.
54:2825/04/2023
Vanessa Matsui on Good Luck to You, Leo Grande

Vanessa Matsui on Good Luck to You, Leo Grande

Actor and filmmaker Vanessa Matsui (Ghost BFF, The Girlfriend Experience, The Hot Zone, Letterkenny) celebrates the Toronto premiere of her directorial debut, Midnight at the Paradise, by digging into the remarkable chemistry of Emma Thompson and Daryl McCormack in Sophie Hyde's Good Luck to You, Leo Grande. Your genial host Norm Wilner apologizes for calling Daryl "David" that one time.Midnight at the Paradise premieres this Friday, April 21st, at the Paradise Cinema (of course). Tickets are still available right here.
48:2918/04/2023
Frances O'Connor on Biutiful

Frances O'Connor on Biutiful

With her directorial debut Emily arriving on digital, actor-turned-filmmaker Frances O'Connor shares her love for Alejandro González Iñárritu's 2010 drama Biutiful, and Iñárritu's fascination with finding emotion in the most extreme circumstances. Your genial host Norm Wilner is listening.
27:5011/04/2023
Joseph Amenta on Tangerine

Joseph Amenta on Tangerine

Film teacher and filmmaker Joseph Amenta, whose first feature Soft launches its Canadian run at Toronto's Revue Cinema on Friday April 7th, is here to talk about the way Sean Baker's Tangerine introduced them to an entirely new way of making movies -- and one that feels even more important today. Your genial host Norm Wilner is excited to hear about it.
46:4204/04/2023
Sarah Watts on Bound

Sarah Watts on Bound

Montreal filmmaker Sarah Watts -- whose first feature You Can Live Forever, co-directed with Mark Slutsky, is now playing in theaters across Canada -- celebrates Bound, the 1996 debut that introduced the world to the Wachowskis, and to the sight of Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly as film-noir lovers. Your genial host Norm Wilner was wondering when someone would choose this.
40:2428/03/2023
Anthony Shim on Peppermint Candy

Anthony Shim on Peppermint Candy

With his prizewinning second feature Riceboy Sleeps playing in theaters across Canada in advance of next month's Canadian Screen Awards, actor and filmmaker Anthony Shim shares his love for a formative South Korean classic: Lee Chang-dong's unforgiving drama Peppermint Candy. Your genial host Norm Wilner has been looking forward to sharing this for a very long time.
49:1821/03/2023
Romina D'Ugo on Il Postino

Romina D'Ugo on Il Postino

For our eighth anniversary, actor Romina D'Ugo (I Like Movies, now playing in theatres across Canada) is here to honor Michael Radford's 1994 heartbreaker Il Postino -- a film that stands as testament to both Pablo Neruida's poetry, and star Massimo Troisi, who spent a decade trying to make this movie and died the day after it wrapped. Your genial host Norm Wilner is in awe of ... well, all of that.
45:4814/03/2023
Michelle McLeod on Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

Michelle McLeod on Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

With Women Talking heading to the Oscars this Sunday (where it's up for Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay) and newly available on Blu-ray and DVD, actor Michelle McLeod puts her driving goggles on to celebrate Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, the 1968 family musical extravaganza starring Dick Van Dyke and a flying car. Your genial host Norm Wilner still has nightmares about the Child Catcher.
43:4707/03/2023
Emer Reynolds on Arrival

Emer Reynolds on Arrival

With her first dramatic feature Joyride newly available on digital and on demand across Canada, award-winning editor and documentary filmmaker Emer Reynolds (Cuba Was Here, The Farthest) explores the inner and outer spaces of Denis Villeneuve’s acclaimed genre drama Arrival. Your genial host Norm Wilner still can't believe Amy Adams didn't get an Oscar for this one.
49:1528/02/2023
Callie Hernandez on Anatomy of Hell

Callie Hernandez on Anatomy of Hell

With her latest film Jethica freshly streaming on Fandor, Callie Hernandez (Blair Witch, La La Land, Under the Silver Lake, Shotgun Wedding) traps us in a room with Catherine Breillat's Anatomy of Hell, the 2004 chamber piece starring Amira Casar and Rocco Siffredi as two people confronting one another's bodies. Your genial host Norm Wilner is braced for provocation.
57:3721/02/2023
Murry Peeters on The Menu

Murry Peeters on The Menu

Actor, writer, producer and now director Murry Peeters (See, Transplant, The Parker Andersons / Amelia Parker), whose short film Woman Meets Girl premieres Saturday, February 18th at both the Toronto Black Film Festival and Queer Screen’s 30th Mardi Gras Film Festival in Sydney, Australia, takes a bite out of The Menu, Mark Mylod's recent satirical thriller about the last dinner service at a very exclusive, very committed fine-dining establishment. Could Ralph Fiennes really build a cult? Is Anya Taylor-Joy supposed to look so much like Anna Kendrick? Should we be encouraging people to harm Nicholas Hoult? Your genial host Norm Wilner is plated and ready.
45:2614/02/2023
Julianna Notten on Aftersun

Julianna Notten on Aftersun

Toronto filmmaker Julianna Notten, whose first feature Erin’s Guide to Kissing Girls is now playing at the Carlton in Toronto and available across Canada on digital and on demand, digs into the ecstatic melancholy of Charlotte Wells’ devastating debut feature Aftersun, in which Frankie Corio and Oscar nominee Paul Mescal play out a father-daughter drama through a tragic film of memory. Your genial host Norm Wilner has his own baggage to unpack on this one.
44:2907/02/2023
Lukas Dhont on Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles

Lukas Dhont on Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles

Belgian director Lukas Dhont, whose powerful new drama Close was just nominated for the Best International Feature Oscar, celebrates Chantal Akerman's revolutionary Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles being named the greatest film of all time by Sight & Sound last year. And while your genial host Norm Wilner did tackle Akerman's movie with Wayne Wang back in Episode 306, he's happy to go back in.
39:2231/01/2023
Jesse Eisenberg on Submarine

Jesse Eisenberg on Submarine

As he makes his debut as a writer and director with When You Finish Saving the World -- now playing in the US and opening in Canada this Friday, January 27th -- Oscar-nominated actor Jesse Eisenberg (The Squid and the Whale, Adventureland, The Social Network, Night Moves and many, many more) shares his love for another actor's first feature: Richard Ayoade's 2010 debut Submarine, a coming-of-age tale starring Craig Roberts as a misfit kid in 1980s Wales trying to keep his parents from drifting apart and lose his virginity before he turns sixteen ... not necessarily in that order. Your genial host Norm Wilner thinks he can keep up.
30:5824/01/2023
Chelsea McMullan on La Cienaga

Chelsea McMullan on La Cienaga

Documentary filmmaker Chelsea McMullan celebrates the Canadian theatrical release of Ever Deadly, their collaboration with Inuit throat singer Tanya Tagaq, by diving into the swamp of Lucrecia Martel's 2001 breakout La Cienaga, the class-conscious drama which ushered in the New Argentine Cinema. Your genial host Norm Wilner is prepared to wade in carefully.If you're in Toronto, Chelsea and Tanya are appearing at the Hot Docs Cinema with journalist and author Tanya Talaga after the 8 pm screening of Ever Deadly on Saturday, January 21st . Tickets still available! Don't miss out!And don't forget to subscribe to Norm's newsletter, Shiny Things! SIgn up for a 14-day free trial right here. It's good for you, probably.
42:3117/01/2023
Karen Knox on The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover

Karen Knox on The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover

 Actor and filmmaker Karen Knox -- whom you may know from Slo Pitch, Barbelle and Homeschooled, among others, and whose first feature Adult Adoption opens in Toronto this Saturday and in London and Vancouver next week, is here to make a meal of Peter Greenaway's baroque 1989 breakthrough The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover, in which  Richard Bohringer, Michael Gambon, Helen Mirren and Alan Howard play four people whose lives intersect at a very fancy London restaurant, with spectacularly tragic results. Your genial host Norm Wilner has a napkin round his neck already.
51:2410/01/2023
Scooter Corkle on Ravenous

Scooter Corkle on Ravenous

Happy new year, everybody! Vancouver filmmaker Scooter Corkle, whose new thriller The Friendship Game is available on digital and on demand today, is here to tackle the cannibal chaos of Ravenous, the unique 1999 horror comedy starring Guy Pearce and Robert Carlyle as military rivals in 1840s California who disagree on matters of culinary etiquette. Your genial host Norm Wilner can't wait to dig in.  
50:1403/01/2023
Amanda Kramer on Little Shop of Horrors

Amanda Kramer on Little Shop of Horrors

We need something joyous to close out the year, so here's musician and filmmaker Amanda Kramer (Paris Window, Ladyworld  and the gender-bending new comedy Please Baby Please, now available on digital and on demand) to celebrate the practical magic of Frank Oz and David Geffen’s  delightful big-screen adaptation of Howard Ashman and Alan Menken’s off-Broadway masterpiece Little Shop of Horrors. Your genial host Norm Wilner has always been a secret Seymour.
50:2727/12/2022
Shayla Brown on Clemency

Shayla Brown on Clemency

Actor and soprano Shayla Brown, (Apple TV's See, the Toronto production of George F. Walker’s Orphans for the Czar, and Sarah Polley's Women Talking) tackles the moral complexity and human drama of Chinonye Chukwu's 2019 Clemency, the 2019 drama starring Alfre Woodard as a prison warden cracking under the strain of running a death-row penitentiary. Your genial host Norm Wilner has some feelings about this one too.
35:5220/12/2022