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Every Tuesday and Friday, tech journalist Kara Swisher and NYU Professor Scott Galloway offer sharp, unfiltered insights into the biggest stories in tech, business, and politics. They make bold predictions, pick winners and losers, and bicker and banter like no one else. After all, with great power comes great scrutiny. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
CEO wealth surge, Apple/Facebook tensions heat up, and Friend of Pivot DoorDash COO Christopher Payne
Kara and Scott talk about how CEOs in the United States wealth has surged during the pandemic as compared to their workers. Meanwhile, tensions heat up between Tim Cook at Apple and Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook, as iPhone users are given the option to opt-out of ad tracking. Then we are joined by Friend of Pivot, DoorDash COO Christopher Payne who talks about the company's new model for food delivery.
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01:06:0627/04/2021
Apple's podcast play, Netflix's rough quarter, and a listener mail on crypto's carbon footprint
Kara and Scott talk about Apple's big announcements in the podcast space and what that means for other competitors in the podcast market. They also discuss Netflix's falling subscriptions and take a look back at their first quarter last year. In listener mail we get a question about cryptocurrency's carbon footprint. And Scott has predictions for Quibi content.
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01:00:0423/04/2021
Facebook gets into audio, WeWork's SPAC, and Friend of Pivot Preet Bharara
Kara and Scott talk about Facebook's new foray into the audio space and what it means for creators. They also discuss NASA partnering with SpaceX on its next moon landing mission. Scott's favorite disaster story is possibly making a comeback – Kara and Scott talk about the WeWork SPAC. Then, former US attorney, and host of the podcast Stay Tuned with Preet, Preet Bharara joins to talk about joining Vox and brings insights on some of the biggest legal issues in the news.
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01:12:5620/04/2021
The crypto-surge, Bernie Madoff's dark legacy, and a question on Russia slowing Twitter
Kara and Scott talk about the Coinbase IPO and the surge for Bitcoin, Dogecoin, and other currencies. They also discuss the legacy financial Ponzi-schemer Bernie Madoff, who died in prison this week. We have a pop-in from Friend of Pivot Andrew Ross Sorkin on his interviews with the late Madoff. In listener mail, we get a question about Russia's decision to slow down Twitter. Scott has predictions on Alibaba stock and the future of cryptocurrencies.
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49:5916/04/2021
Amazon union defeat, Alibaba’s antitrust fine, and Walter Isaacson on CRISPR
Kara and Scott talk about the failure to form a union at an Amazon warehouse in Alabama; this was the biggest unionization effort in the company's history. They also discuss China's antitrust fine against the e-commerce giant Alibaba, and how the company is actually benefitting. In Friend of Pivot, we are joined by best-selling author Walter Isaacson to talk about his new book The Code Breaker.
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01:05:3613/04/2021
Twitch's new guidelines, YouTube's video violations, and a prediction on LG's handset company
Kara and Scott talk about Amazon's live-streaming service Twitch's new guidelines to keep hate speech and other forms of violence off their platform. They also discuss YouTube's new metric for showing how many videos are viewed before they are removed for violating the company's user guidelines. In listener mail, we get a question about the future of marijuana stocks. Scott has a prediction for who will acquire LG's handset company.
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01:05:2409/04/2021
Global corporate tax, Facebook's data breach and a Friend of Pivot on "cancel culture"
Kara and Scott discuss Janet Yellen's call for a global corporate tax and what that would mean for corporations. They also discuss a new report saying that Facebook leaked millions of users' personal information. Then we're joined by Columbia Professor, John McWhorter, to discuss the line between cancel culture and accountability,
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01:16:4906/04/2021
Big Tech military contracts, Compass's IPO, and President Biden's $2 trillion infrastructure plan
In this episode of Pivot, Kara and Scott talk about Big Tech getting involved in military matters, and how their employees are responding. They also discuss whether Compass really counts as real estate tech, and fawn over President Biden's $2 trillion dollar infrastructure plan. Also, Kara plays a little April Fools joke on Scott, and spoiler alert—it works.
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53:3202/04/2021
Tony Hsieh, Jeff Bezos's Twitter fingers, and Big Tech in Congress (again)
This week, Kara and Scott chat about the Wall Street Journal's deep dive on Tony Hsieh, Jeff Bezo's twitter fingers, and the future of unions. Then, Friend of Pivot Zephyr Teachout joins us to talk about Cuomo Corruption and how monopoly power is "white power."
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58:0530/03/2021
Microsoft and Discord, Goldman Sachs' junior bankers and a listener mail question on news consumption
Kara and Scott talk about Microsoft's potential acquisition of the video gaming social platform Discord. They also preview the big tech hearings on disinformation. Meanwhile, Scott thinks Goldman Sachs junior employees should "buck up", even though Kara thinks "work-life-balance" priorities might be shifting in our culture. In listener mail, Kara and Scott talk about how they consume the news.
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49:4626/03/2021
Struggles at Dispo, Trump's own social media network, and the 411 on NFTs
Kara and Scott talk about troubles at Dispo – the photosharing app – after allegations of sexual assault came out around the founder's circle. They also discuss the possibility of former President Trump starting his own social media platform. Then, we are joined by Friend of Pivot Chairman of the Department of Finance at NYU Stern, David Yermack, on how to think about the NFT craze and the cryptocurrency landscape.
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01:03:0523/03/2021
Facebook makes a Substack competitor, Netflix's carbon footprint and the future of McKinsey
Kara and Scott discuss scandals at Substack as Facebook builds a newsletter competitor. They also discuss a new tool that is measuring the carbon footprint of streaming on Netflix and what that means for the industry. In listener mail, we get a question about whether McKinsey is still the gold standard for early career success.
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56:4619/03/2021
The future of travel and a Friend of Pivot on telehealth
Kara and Scott talk about the biggest weekend for airlines since the pandemic started and what that means for the industry. They are joined by Hims/Hers CEO Andrew Dudum to talk about how telehealth surged in the past year and his decision to take the company public as a SPAC.
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01:01:2816/03/2021
Roblox IPO, Facebook doesn't think it has an antitrust problem and a listener question on PlayStation5
Kara and Scott talk about Roblox going public – and making a big splash – and what that means for the gaming industry. Then they discuss Facebook asking Federal judges to overturn the FTC's antitrust charges. In listener mail, a former Prof. G student asks if Sony has a Consumer Protection Act problem
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45:0712/03/2021
SPACs tumble, the education tech market and the future of automation
Kara and Scott talk about how SPACs have tumbled in recent weeks and what that means for the IPO landscape. They also discuss Coursera going public and the future of education tech post-pandemic. Then, New York Times tech reporter and author of the new book, "Futureproof: 9 Rules for Humans in the Age of Automation", Kevin Roose joins to discuss the future of automation in our day-to-day lives. Mackenzie Scott's marriage is our win!
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01:00:0909/03/2021
Google ad track changes, implosions for the entertainment industry and Square buys Tidal
Kara and Scott talk about Google changing its ad model – they won't be selling ads based on how your browse the web anymore. They also discuss Square purchasing Jay-Z's music streaming service company – and we're not quite sure why... Meanwhile, Alamo Drafthouse files Chapter 11, and ratings for the Golden Globes hits an all-time low. In listener mail, a 21-year-old on a visa asks for advice on how to build an international career as an entrepreneur.
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01:06:3705/03/2021
The new COVID stimulus and Andy Slavitt on vaccine plans
Kara and Scott talk about the $.19 trillion stimulus package that passed the House and the fight for a $15/hour minimum wage. They also discuss the digital Golden Globes and Trump's appearance at CPAC. Then they are joined by White House Senior Advisor to the COVID-19 Response Team, Andy Slavitt, to discuss vaccine distribution.
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01:07:4802/03/2021
More hearings for big tech, GameStop stock surge (again), and predictions come true
Kara and Scott talk about deals reached between Facebook and Australia as Facebook, Google and Twitter prepare to testify in front of Congress. They also discuss the new surge of GameStop stock. In listener mail we get a question from a Texan about how tech companies are going to be looking at their moves to the state. In predictions, Scott does a victory lap on 3 big predictions come true in 2021
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01:00:1726/02/2021
U.K. says Uber drivers are employees, and the future of cyber attacks
Kara and Scott talk about a U.K. Supreme Court ruling that says Uber drivers must be treated as employees and what that means for the future of the company. Then Kara and Scott are joined by New York Times reporter and bestselling author of “This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends", Nicole Perlroth about the danger of cyber attacks in the United States.
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01:04:5623/02/2021
Australia vs. Facebook and the GameStop hearings
Kara and Scott talk about Facebook restricting users and publishers from using the platform in Australia as the country weighs a law that would require big tech to pay for news content. They also discuss the hearing on the GameStop fiasco and how Robinhood played a part. In listener mail, Scott answers why he doesn't invest in Bitcoin.
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58:4819/02/2021
Lincoln Project implosion, Microsoft says Google should pay newspapers, and Friend of Pivot Adam Grant
Kara and Scott talk about Microsoft CEO Brad Smith's stance saying the US should follow Australia in a model that would force tech giants to pay for news content. They also discuss implosions at the Lincoln Project and Disney dropping the actor Gina Carano. Then in Friend of Pivot, Adam Grant, the author of the New York Times bestseller "Think Again", joins the show to talk about how to think outside your opinion bubble.
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01:11:4116/02/2021
Is there a Trump without Twitter? A mini class on "dispersion", and a prediction about CNN
Kara and Scott talk about Twitter's fourth-quarter earnings and the decision to ban Trump's account for life. Scott gives a mini-class on the idea of "dispersion". In listener mail we get a question about whether Clubhouse is a threat to podcasting. In predictions, Scott sees a CNN being acquired.
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01:00:5812/02/2021
Twitter subscription service, Tesla invests in Bitcoin, and Friend of Pivot Acting FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel
Kara and Scott talk about Tesla investing $1.5billion in Bitcoin and what that means for the future of cryptocurrencies. They also discuss Twitter mulling a new subscription product. Meanwhile, Apple's talks with Hyundai/KIA to build an autonomous vehicle broke down. Then in Friend of Pivot, Acting FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel talks about the importance of expanding broadband during the pandemic.
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01:03:0809/02/2021
The end of the Bezos era, SpaceX for civilians, and a stock prediction
Kara and Scott talk about Jeff Bezos stepping away from his role as CEO of Amazon and moving into the Executive Chair position. They talk about Elon Musks' plans to send a civilian crew to space by the end of the year in hopes of ushering in a new era of space travel. In listener mail, a young Facebook employee asks if the company has any redeeming qualities. And Scott has more predictions on GameStop stock.
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01:00:5405/02/2021
Who is profiting off Reddit stock threads? And the "Marshall Plan for Moms"
Kara and Scott talk about more fall out from the Reddit/Robinhood stock blitz. They also discuss escalating tensions between Facebook and Apple. Then in Friend of Pivot, we hear from Girls Who Code CEO Reshma Saujani, who is heading up a new movement to have mothers at the center of economic recovery called "The Marshall Plan for Moms". Women account for most of the jobs lost over the course of the pandemic.
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54:2202/02/2021
The GameStop, Reddit, Robinhood saga
Kara and Scott break down how amateur traders best hedge fund managers, driving up GameStop stock and what that means for the future of the stock market. They also discuss Google's PAC ending donations to congress members who voted against verifying Biden's election win.
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01:01:4029/01/2021
Facebook's oversight board takes on the Trump ban and Friend of Pivot Congressman Ro Khanna on what's ahead in Washington
Kara and Scott talk about Facebook's oversight board are deciding whether to permanently ban Donald Trump from the platform and what that might mean for other world leaders. Then we are joined by Silicon Valley's representative and the Progressive Caucus Deputy Whip, Ro Khanna, to discuss the senate impeachment trial, tech regulations, and President Biden's first 100 days in office.
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56:5126/01/2021
Inauguration Day, Biden's antitrust issues, and the future of Fox News
Kara and Scott talk about Inauguration Day and the Biden administration. Big tech critics are concerned about his potential DOJ antitrust division appointees. They also discuss several big names at Fox News departing the outlet and what happens to the cable networks without Donald Trump. In listener mail, Kara and Scott answer a question about how to teach students K-higher education about misinformation.
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56:5822/01/2021
More GOP Twitter suspensions, Parler is back, and FTC Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter on the future of big tech
Kara and Scott talk about Twitter suspending republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene for spreading misinformation about the election. They also talk about Parler's resurgence on the internet. Then in Friend of Pivot, we hear from FTC Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter on antitrust lawsuits against Facebook and the future of tech regulations under the Biden administration.
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01:02:0919/01/2021
Impeachment number 2, Airbnb cancels DC reservations, and rebranding America
Kara and Scott talk about the second impeachment of Donald Trump. They also discuss a roundup of more businesses and platforms banning Trump his alt-right supporters. Airbnb is cancelling its DC area reservations ahead of next week's inauguration. In listener mail, Kara and Scott answer how to save America's brand. And a prediction on the consumer economy.
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01:03:3215/01/2021
Parler goes dark, Trump's power without Twitter, and a Friend of Pivot on the history of coups
Kara and Scott talk about how an alt-right social media app got shut down. They also discuss Trump's permanent ban from Twitter. In Friend of Pivot, we talk to NYU Professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat about the history of fascists, how they rise to power, and where Trump fits into that context.
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01:03:4612/01/2021
Twitter and Facebook ban Trump, the future of Internet regulations under Democrats, and a prediction on Sheryl Sandberg
Kara and guest hosts Casey Newton and Louie Swisher talk about the insurrection on the US Capitol and the de-platforming of Donald Trump. They also discuss the future of FCC, Section 230, and antitrust now that the Senate, House, and White House will all be blue. In predictions, Casey Newton says this will be Sheryl Sandberg's last year at Facebook.
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47:4408/01/2021
The Trump tapes and Tesla sales soar with guest host Stephanie Ruhle
Kara and guest host MSNBC Anchor Stephanie Ruhle talk about the Georgia special Senate election and the leaked tapes of Trump asking to doctor votes. They also discuss the major sales of Tesla vehicles in 2020 despite the downturn of the auto industry as a whole. In Friend of Pivot, we talk to Kara's brother, Dr. Jeffrey Swisher, about his experience with the covid-19 vaccine and what he sees for the rest of the 2021.
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55:3105/01/2021
The Wonder Woman premiere, Georgia's run off election, and friend of pivot Olivia Nuzzi
Kara and guest host Hilary Rosen talk about Wonder Woman and the future of streaming. They also talk about the stimulus package, the January 5th Georgia run off election, and how the media and political landscape will look in a Post Trump America. Wins and fails include Joe Biden and the Americans who still aren't taking this pandemic seriously. Olivia Nuzzi is our Friend of Pivot.
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56:3629/12/2020
2021 Predictions Special: the future of markets, healthcare, and media
Kara and Scott are joined by a slew of Friends of Pivot to look ahead at what to expect in markets, acquisitions, automation, work culture, healthcare, and media.
Thank you to our friends:
Andrew Ross Sorkin, founder, and editor of New York Times Dealbook
Aminatou Sow, creator of Crème de la Crème newsletter, and author of the bestselling book Big Friendship
Baratunde Thurston, host, and creator of How To Citizen (send his community number a text at 202-894-8844)
Andy Slavitt, host of In the Bubble and head of Obamacare during the Obama Administration
Erica Anderson, Executive Producer of Pivot
PLUS members of the Galloway/Swisher households
Rebecca Sananes produces Pivot
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01:05:4122/12/2020
Facebook vs. Apple, Robinhood reckoning, and a prediction for Zoom
Kara and Scott talk about Facebook's ad campaign going after Apple as both companies face antitrust lawsuits. They also discuss the Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth filing a complaint against Robinhood. In listener mail, we get a question about whether podcasters will go behind paywalls. Scott has a prediction for Zoom
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01:06:3818/12/2020
Covid vaccine in the US, Roblox IPO delay, and friend of Pivot Stephanie Ruhle
Kara and Scott talk about the covid-19 vaccine being distributed in the United States and the apps that will trace who has gotten the vaccine. They also discuss Roblox delaying its IPO until 2021 after Airbnb and Doordash's blockbuster market debuts. Then MSNBC Anchor Stephanie Ruhle joins to talk about her own experience with the coronavirus and how she thinks the US will or will not change once we have the vaccine. Kara thinks that a Wall Street Journal op-ed about First Lady-elect Dr. Jill Biden was a fail.
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01:03:1915/12/2020
Facebook's monopoly reckoning, the Pfizer vaccine begins, and predictions for Airbnb stock
Kara and Scott discuss the FTC and 48 states bringing a lawsuit to Facebook, alleging it is a social media monopoly. They also discuss the future of vaccine distribution, starting in the UK. In listener mail, Kara and Scott answer a question about Apple's new chip. And in predictions, Scott and Kara talk Airbnb.
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50:0111/12/2020
DoorDash and Airbnb IPOs, WarnerMedia streaming updates, and Casey Newton on Substack
Kara and Scott talk about Airbnb and DoorDash's IPOs expected this week. They also discuss Warner Media potentially launching more streaming services in 2021. In Friend of Pivot we hear from Casey Newton about his jump to Substack and his new newsletter. Send us your Listener Mail questions through our site, nymag.com/pivot and use Yappa to leave a video or audio message.
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01:10:4608/12/2020
Amazon’s podcast acquisition, what led to Slack losing its lead, and Trump's move on 230
Kara and Scott talk about Amazon's move into podcasting companies and Salesforce buying Slack. They also talk about Trump threatening to veto a defense bill in Congress if it doesn't include striking down Section 230. In listener mail, Kara and Scott answer a question about food insecurity and the future of grocery.
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52:0704/12/2020
Antitrust trouble for Facebook and Google, Friend of Pivot on Covid vaccines, and remembering Tony Hsieh
Kara and Scott talk about new antitrust cases being prepared against Facebook and Google. They also talk about Amazon's hiring surge this year – the biggest employment growth in corporate America history. Then we are joined by Harvard epidemiologist, assistant professor, Dr. Michael Mina, about testing and vaccines to get the pandemic under control. In wins, Kara and Scott share memories of Tony Hsieh.
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01:17:1601/12/2020
What happens post-Corona, marketing "defund the police", and predictions on SPACs
Kara and Scott talk about an outage at AWS, Salesforce potentially buying Slack and Scott's new book Post Corona: From Crisis to Opportunity.
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01:06:3327/11/2020
Media consolidations, Snapchat's TikTok competitor, and Joanna Coles on retail during the pandemic
Kara and Scott talk about BuzzFeed acquiring the Huffington Post and other media consolidations as the industry shifts. They also discuss Snapchat's new feature "Spotlight" that will function like TikTok and pay top creators. In Friend of Pivot, we hear from Joanna Coles about what and how people are shopping during the pandemic holiday season. For Kara and Scott, the Biden cabinet picks are the win of the week.
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01:08:1424/11/2020
Airbnb’s IPO, Amazon breaks into the pharmacy business, and predictions on a CNN sale
Kara and Scott talk about Airbnb's S1 and public offering in a risky moment. Then they discuss Amazon's announcement that it will now sell prescription drugs on its website and app, which may spell doom for some competitors. In listener mail, they answer the question about how young people should choose mentors. In predictions, Scott thinks CNN will be sold.
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01:11:0120/11/2020
Disney earnings, TikTok saga continues, and Maggie Haberman on the Trump transition
Kara and Scott talk about Disney's Q4 earnings and the Board's decision that it will not declare a semi-annual cash dividend for the second half of the year. They also discuss the Trump administration extending the deadline for TikTok's parent company ByteDance to make a deal to sell to a US based company. Then we are joined by New York Times White House correspondent, Maggie Haberman, who talks about the Trump administrations last months.
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58:5417/11/2020
Covid’s ‘second wave’ and business, Europe brings antitrust suit to Amazon, and a prediction on fitness trackers
Kara and Scott talk about the spike in covid-19 cases and how that's affecting the stock market ånd business. They discuss antitrust charges against Amazon from Europe. In listener mail, Scott talks about whether college should be free. Kara has a prediction on fitness trackers.
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51:1913/11/2020
Pfizer's covid-19 vaccine, China looks at fintech regulation, and Lyft President John Zimmer on the future of gig work
Kara and Scott talk about Pfizer's early success with a covid-19 vaccine and how that is effecting the stock market. They also discuss Ant's halted IPO, the repercussions for the company and how China is using the opportunity to look at financial tech regulations. Then we are joined by Friend of Pivot, President and Founder of Lyft, John Zimmer to talk about the passing of Proposition-22 and what it means for app drivers.
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01:05:3410/11/2020
The endless election, Twitter keeps Jack Dorsey as CEO, and a listener question about Pinterest
Kara and Scott talk about the seemingly endless election and how the platforms have kept false information in check. Also, Twitter's board has decided to keep Jack Dorsey in his position at the company after a months-long review. In listener mail, we get a question about social media and retail and whether Target should acquire Pinterest.
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53:5206/11/2020
Platforms prep for election, Panera CEO on the coffee "rundle", and proposition-22 is a fail
Kara and Scott talk about how the platforms prepare for election misinformation in the week ahead. Then they are joined by Niren Chaudhary, the CEO of Panera Bread, to discuss their coffee "rundle" and grab and go food industry during the pandemic. In wins, Kara praises Texas Supreme Court for blocking a petition to exclude ballots. Scott's fail is proposition-22.
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50:3303/11/2020
Republicans vs. Big Tech hearing, Apple is getting into search, and California votes on the future of gig work
Kara and Scott talk about Republican Senators on the Commerce Committee grilling the big tech CEOs. Then they discuss Apple reportedly developing their own search tool. In listener mail, we get a question about a ballot proposition in California that would change the gig economy.
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54:2930/10/2020