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Every Tuesday and Friday, tech journalist Kara Swisher and NYU Professor Scott Galloway offer sharp, unfiltered insights into the biggest stories in tech, business, and politics. They make bold predictions, pick winners and losers, and bicker and banter like no one else. After all, with great power comes great scrutiny. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Twitter will stop running political ads ... your move, Facebook
Kara and Scott celebrate Jack Dorsey announcing that Twitter will not be running political ads anymore. That puts Facebook on the spot. They talk about Kara's interview with Edward Snowden on her other podcast Recode Decode. In streaming wars news, HBOMax is joining and sweeping up all the content. How will net neutrality affect the streaming wars? In listener mail, we dig into a new bill introduced in Congress that would force big social media platforms to loosen their hold on user data.
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43:1301/11/2019
The screw-up-billionaire, quantum computers, and the skewering of Zuckerberg
Kara and Scott take a victory lap as SoftBank buys out Adam Neumann, the founder of weWork for a cool $1.7 billion. They talk about what the future might hold, now that Google has unveiled its quantum computer. Tesla proved Scott wrong and came out with some really big earnings this week. We also hear from Senior Recode reporter, Peter Kafka about what to expect from the streaming wars as Apple debuts its own platform. Winners are the women of Congress, who absolutely skewered Mark Zuckerberg in a Congressional hearing.
Here is more information on Peter Kafka's Code Media Conference!
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43:3125/10/2019
Mark Zuckerberg the free speech jester, and Marc Benioff the class traitor
Kara and Scott met up at Stanford University (where they were both rejected from) for a live Pivot! They talk about the decline of applicants to elite M.B.A. programs, free speech in China and how Zuckerberg says he thinks free speech functions at Facebook. They get into Amazon's foray into the healthcare sector. They take questions from the audience on the Canadian elections, weWork and more.
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59:4223/10/2019
LIVE at the Podcast Upfronts in NYC!
Kara and Scott meet up at the Podcast Upfronts in NYC. And we make a special announcement...wait for it... WE'RE GOING TO 2 DAYS A WEEK! BOOM! They also talk about the likelihood that weWork has layoffs and declares bankruptcy. They talk about Bill Gates' ties to Jeffrey Epstein, Win: Elizabeth Warren intentionally submitted a Facebook political ad with false information on it to show the platform's failures. Fail: the crumbling of Facebook's cryptocurrency, Libra.
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38:0118/10/2019
Going after venture capital culture and the unicorn industrial complex
Kara and Scott talk about feuds with VC's, billionaires paying fewer taxes than the working class and tech companies folding to Chinese state media pressure. They take a listener mail question about Sidewalk Labs and the right way to make smart cities. They're concerned with the Turkish president's use of Twitter to announce an invasion of Syria. A win is Andrew Yang's $10-million boost in Q3. And Kara comes with her own prediction this week, that Michael Bloomberg is going to jump into the presidential race. (Also a big warm welcome to the Pivot team's newest favorite member, Kara's baby, Clara Jo!!)
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43:2411/10/2019
Mark Zuckerberg’s leaky staff and the silver lining to WeWork’s downfall
Someone inside Facebook secretly recorded Mark Zuckerberg for two hours and sent the audio to The Verge’s Casey Newton; Kara interviews Casey about his scoop and gets Scott’s take on Zuckerberg’s apparent fear of President Elizabeth Warren. They also talk about why WeWork CEO Adam Neumann may have to go into the Unicorn Protection Program and why the company’s canceled IPO is a victory for the public markets. Plus: Kara dares Twitter to take responsibility for President Trump’s Tweets, and The Big Dog adopts a puppy.
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46:0004/10/2019
LIVE from Toronto, Kara and Scott go international!
Kara and Scott are live at the Elevate in Toronto -- Pivot's first international appearance! They talk about the continued implosion at weWork and CEO Adam Neumann stepping down. They ask -- have we reached peak "founder"? Wins are whistleblowers and Phoebe Waller-Bridge who is helping Amazon outpace Netflix in streaming content.
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58:3127/09/2019
Uber is 'disruptive and drunk', weWork is 'just drunk', and Pivot turns 1!
Happy 1st anniversary to Pivot! Kara and Scott talk about weWork's halted IPO (we'll take partial credit). They talk about Amazon manipulating its algorithm to present more of its own products in search. Facebook is making its own "Supreme Court", is it just a band-aid? Should Kara Swisher be one of the Justices? (Yes). Fail: Trudeau -- and the (STILL) Governor of Virginia -- wearing black face.
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46:4020/09/2019
'I love Amazon. Let's break it up'
Scott joins Land of the Giants host, Jason Del Rey, live on stage at the Code Commerce conference in New York City. Scott tells Jason that Amazon needs to be broken up - and which parts of the company should be spun off first. They discuss Amazon’s ultimate impact on us as consumers, who are the companies left that can really compete with Amazon, and question the idea that we live in an era of innovation.
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28:5918/09/2019
LIVE! From the Lesbians Who Tech Summit
Kara and Scott talk at the annual Lesbians Who Tech Summit in New York City. Scott is dubbed a #LezBro. They discuss 48 state AG's putting forth an antitrust probe into Google. They love it. Kara comes with her new augmented reality glasses -- she thinks they're the future, Scott disagrees. WeWork's biggest investor encouraged them not to go forward with their IPO -- it's either because Pivot has gone so hard after them or because their S-1 is utter nonsense. Kara's win is Chrissy Teigen taking on Trump on Twitter. Scott's win is California's new law protecting gig workers. And they answer audience questions about how tech can be a better place for the LGBTQ community.
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58:0613/09/2019
Is Uber super f*cked? Let’s ask “Super Pumped” author Mike Isaac
Kara and Scott bring on NYTimes reporter, Mike Isaac, to talk about his new book "Super Pumped: the Battle for Uber". They pick his brain about all the Silicon Valley drama around the ride-share company. Scott's win is Walmart for taking action in the gun-control debate. Mike comes prepared with his own fail and calls out Twitter for the hacking of Jack Dorsey's account. Scott is predicting that weWork doesn't ever actually go public.
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42:3906/09/2019
Peloton “sells happiness” and bedbugs take over Twitter
Kara and Scott talk Peloton's S-1 ... is it the WeWork of exercise or an innovation in happiness? They also talk about Facebook's newest attempt to undercut Snapchat. Kara's fail is journalists who can't take a joke. And for the first time ... Pivot is taking listener mail! This week, Scott gets pushback from a listener in Minnesota on his Tesla views. PLUS: we get the inside scoop on how Scott comes up with his predictions (spoiler: it's more than shaking a Magic-8 ball).
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46:2330/08/2019
DoorDash is still stealing tips. And is Tesla for sale?
Kara and Scott are back in the studio to talk about Trump bringing foreign policy to Twitter, state AG's taking on big tech and Tesla possibly being bought by Volkswagen (what a world!) Meanwhile, Scott's planning to buy Uzbekistan. Kara and Scott both think DoorDash taking tip money from its delivery people is a fail -- DoorDash, Pivot is watching you. And you heard it here first, Scott's big prediction this week is that Spotify will roll out hardware in the future. Warning: there are expletives used in this podcast ... per usual.
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42:5323/08/2019
LIVE! From NYC it's Kara and Scott
Kara and Scott meet up in New York City for an extra, unfiltered Pivot in front of a live audience. They recap some of the news already happening this week like "The Business Roundtable" redefining their mission statement to include stakeholders. Kara and Scott revisit some of the wins and fails of the the first half of 2019. And they take on burning questions from the audience. WARNING: this episode contains more expletives than usual.
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01:10:1321/08/2019
Sharks, WeWork & Tumblr's tumble from grace
Kara and Scott take on sharks, summer in New England, WeWork's IPO and Tumblr's fall. They also talk about how trade-wars with China are slowing down tech. Scott had a win this week when Nike added a "rundle" subscription service. Scott also gives a win shoutout to Harvard professor Raj Chetty for his research on how class and race function in US society.
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50:2516/08/2019
Hate on 8chan and why Scott's not quitting Equinox
Kara and Scott talk about Cloudfare dropping 8chan after its latest link to domestic terrorism and hate speech. They also talk about SoulCycle and Equinox's links to the Trump campaign. Kara's ready to dump SoulCycle, but Scott's holding out on Equinox. They also talk about Facebook rebranding WhatsApp and Instagram. Scott's getting Apple's new titanium card (apparently it could kill a person). And in predictions Scott thinks the TheRealReal's stock is about to get real.
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39:0709/08/2019
Facebook wants to read your mind. What could possibly go wrong?
Kara and Scott talk about the debates and how questions about big tech...well, didn't really come up. They also talk about Amazon and Apple earnings and how "wearables" are having a moment. In wins we have FOIA and transparency around tech companies and how they interact with ICE. And in predictions, Scott says stop trying to make fake bacon happen.
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33:1502/08/2019
The Mueller hearing, Facebook's fine, and revisiting The Case of Al Franken
This week, your hosts Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway revisit the democratic presidential nominee race, and talk about the Mueller hearing. In wins and fails, they talk about revisiting controversies like Al Franken's. In predictions, they take a short trip down memory lane as they go over some of Scott's recent predictions-come-true.
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43:1626/07/2019
Peter Thiel is Pennywise, Trump's racist tweets, and Kara meets the Yang Gang
This week, Scott wants to scoop on all of Kara's interviews with presidential candidates. Then, Scott and Kara chat Facebook's measly $5 billion fine and Disney's massive staying power.
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34:0719/07/2019
Epstein's Out, Rapinoe's In, Plus a Social Media-Less Summit
This week Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway are together in D.C.; we repeat: they are together in D.C.! They chat Jeffrey Epstein and double jeopardy, President Trump's social media summit (where no major social media networks were invited?), and whether or not start up culture is dead. The pair also celebrate Megan Rapinoe and the U.S. Navy, and they contemplate what Kara should ask Pete Buttigieg about.
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33:5012/07/2019
Fish and Chips and Biden and Harris and Reddit and Twitter
This week, Kara calls in from London! In addition to their excitement for the Women's World Cup, Scott and Kara talk about Zuckerberg's Aspen interview, the Democratic primary debates, and Twitter's decision to label politicians’ tweets that violates its terms of service.
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43:0205/07/2019
TikTok, Time's Up on Facebook's Content Moderation Sites
When Scott Galloway is away, Kara Swisher will play... with The Verge's Casey Newton! This week, Kara and Casey get down and dirty about Bodies in Seats, Casey's exposé on the terrible conditions inside Facebook's North American content moderation sites. In predictions, Casey explores what the teens are playing with these days (#TikTok), and whether or not Chinese sanctions will make sure it doesn't last.
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31:5928/06/2019
Facebook's New Money and Slack's New Valuation
This week, Kara is in New York! And Scott's in... France? So close yet so far as usual, our hosts chat about Facebook's venture into cryptocurrency, Tim Cook's Stanford commencement speech, and YouTube for kids. In wins and fails, looks like Slack is killing it, and a stressed out Sheryl Sandberg is decidedly not.
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36:2021/06/2019
Pivot LIVE! From the 2019 Code Conference
This week's Pivot is live from the Code Conference in Arizona. Kara and Scott talk regulations for the tech industry and why we need more female CEOs so we don't feel bad about firing the bad ones. Also, our hosts review some of their old predictions and see just how spot on they were about Lyft, Snap, and more.
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39:5614/06/2019
The FTC and DOJ are Stayin' Alive, and YouTube backtracks on bigotry
This week, Kara and Scott talk breaking down the big boys (Facebook, Google, etc) and YouTube kicking out the bad boys ("free speech" haters). Wins and fails this week include the revival of the FTC and DOJ, and some Bernie Sanders grandstanding.
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34:0707/06/2019
Deepfake takedowns, white supremacy on Twitter, and the companies boycotting anti-abortion states
Pivot takes up the internet-age-old question of Facebook's responsibilities as a media company. And, should businesses be boycotting states that are passing harsh anti-abortion laws? Also, Kara and Scott discover that both their dads were in the Navy.
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36:3531/05/2019
Medium's "Shampoo Effect," and Tesla, coming undone?
The hosts opine on Medium, L'Oreal, and Quora. Scott critiques WeWork's EBITDA reporting, as well as the final GoT plot. Kara's back from Canada and her interview with Ev Williams, and now gearing up for the Code conference in Arizona.
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40:0524/05/2019
Alabama's big fail, Uber's disastrous IPO, and the Facebook breakup debate
Recode's Kara Swisher and NYU's Scott Galloway discuss Chris Hughes' Facebook breakup proposal, Away Travel's big funding, how southern states are trying to ban abortion and more.
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40:2817/05/2019
Chris Hughes' Case Against Facebook, Strikes on IPO Week, GoT vs Avengers
"Union Scott" shows up to discuss the work stoppages at Uber and Lyft. Kara asks whether tech money for candidates is tainted. And the hosts analyze Game of Thrones (Facebook edition).
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34:5910/05/2019
Facebook's privacy fakeout, WeWork's reckless IPO, and Reagan the welfare queen
Kara and Scott discuss Facebook's new focus on privacy; what comes after the Web 3.0 era; and what Oprah has to say about Scott's new book. Enjoy more of Kara and Scott on Recode Decode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or in your favorite podcast app.
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37:1003/05/2019
The FTC & the "Algebra of Deterrence"
Kara and Scott talk about the FTC's fine on Facebook -- it's basically a "parking ticket". They also talk about the bombings in Sri Lanka on Easter Sunday and their social media ban. In wins and fails they talk about the shake-ups at The MarkUp, the Tesla board and Scott's love big Broadway musicals.
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31:4726/04/2019
Uber's IPO and, more importantly, Game of Thrones
Kara and Scott talk about Disney breaking into the content streaming business, the Uber IPO and, yes, Game of Thrones. Facebook actually gets a win this week for bringing on their first African American woman as a board member (but will she hold Zuckerberg to account?). YouTube very failed at getting accurate information on the burning of the Notre Dame cathedral. Prediction: the unicorn-class is the big loser of this year...
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40:4919/04/2019
Mr. Zuckerberg goes to Washington ... again
Kara and Scott talk about Congressional hearings on tech platforms responsibility for spreading white nationalism and other hate speech. New Zealand, Australia and the EU are so far ahead of the US in regulations ... when will we catch up? They also discuss the Pinterest IPO and AirBnB reversing their decision to pull out of the West Bank. MacKenzie Bezos becoming the 3rd richest woman in the world is a win. And Scott has some predictions for 2020.
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38:3212/04/2019
"It's not a meritocracy, it's a mirror-tocracy"
Kara and Scott talk about the avalanche of recent Facebook news -- including Zuckerberg's new professed want for regulations. They also talk about YouTube and how the company actively seems to be overlooking all the toxic things that end up on the platform. We reached out to Managing Editor of AfroTech, John Ketchum, to talk about the late-Nipsey Hussle's contributions to tech and entrepreneurship as a way to uplift his community. It's part of a broader trend of affluent black celebrities putting their money into tech entrepreneurship. Speaking of rap/entrepreneurship (eye-roll implied), Elon Musk dropped a rap about Harambe on SoundCloud. Meanwhile, Patagonia is refusing to sell tech-bros vests and we are here for it. And finally, Scott revisits predictions about Lyft and Amazon.
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36:1605/04/2019
Will the rising tide of ride sharing Lyft all boats?
Scott and Kara are skeptical of Lyft's IPO. What exactly is the network effect of ride shares? Also, Facebook says it's banning white nationalist posts. Cool, it's about time. Will anyone follow? Scott and Kara also talk about what Apple TV even is, the EU hitting Google with more antitrust fines and AOC continuing to win the heart of the internet.
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36:2629/03/2019
Does social media cause terrorism?
Kara and Scott talk about terrorism against the Muslim community in New Zealand and how social media may be exacerbating this type of violence. They talk about admissions scandal and how colleges are harming the middle class with their exclusivity. Of course, Scott shouts out his man-crush Beto. His prediction is a white man becomes the 2020 Democratic nominee for president.
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31:1522/03/2019
LIVE! From SXSW it's Kara and Scott
Kara and Scott are live in Austin, Texas for SXSW. They talk antitrust, the breakdown of big tech and take audience questions and predictions.
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51:2715/03/2019
Facebook says it’s all about privacy now. OK, sure.
Kara and Scott are back! They talk about Zuckerberg's supposed shift towards more privacy on Facebook and, well, we'll believe it when we see it. Meanwhile Congress is ramping up its efforts on shaking up how we think of antitrust and big tech companies. They get into what they expect to talk and hear about at South by Southwest this week.
If you're looking to learn more about all things Facebook check out our friend Casey Newton's newsletter The Interface.
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36:2208/03/2019
News flash: Facebook’s contractors are people
Kara brings on her former co-host, Wired senior staff writer and Gadget Lab co-host, Lauren Goode. They talk about the moderating content on Facebook -- and the working conditions of the people who are tasked with looking at the gruesome videos.
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43:1301/03/2019
DC is old news. “The universe revolves around Silicon Valley”
Kara brings on co-host, legendary NYTimes journalist, Maureen Dowd. They talk about how Silicon Valley has eclipsed Washington, DC as the country's true seat of power.
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39:4622/02/2019
Hot Take: Amazon HQ2 breaks up with NYC
Kara and Scott pop back into the studio to give their hot takes on Amazon pulling out of their HQ2 deal with New York City.
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09:4915/02/2019
Is this the year big tech gets regulated? (Probably not.)
Scott blusters in from his breakfast with Congress on how to regulate big tech — so Kara and Scott get into whether Congress will ever be regulating tech (seems not so likely). Kara sums up her twitter showdown with Jack Dorsey. Also more shade thrown on media outlets doing a bad job — like Esquire Magazine featuring a cover story about being a white boy in America and more generally Tucker Carlson,
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32:5115/02/2019
Hot Take: Scott Galloway on Bezos vs. AMI [BOOM!]
BONUS episode: Scott couldn't wait to tell Pivot listeners what he thinks about Bezos' post accusing the National Inquirer of extortion.
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04:5208/02/2019
Happy(ish) birthday, Facebook.
Kara and Scott (sort of) celebrate Facebook's 15th birthday. With pop-ins and hot takes from a couple friends, including Congressman Ro Khanna and podcast Queen Aminatou Sow, they get into how they REALLY feel about the platform. Scott and Kara also talk about the moniker "people of wealth", the future of podcasting, and clap backs from Nancy Pelosi.
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40:1408/02/2019
Cook vs. Zuckerberg vs. consumer privacy
Kara and Scott talk about Apple and Facebook's latest gaffes and how Apple might be the only force left regulating Facebook. There's a-latte to say about Howard Schultz's presidential ambitions. Nancy Pelosi was a big winner this week (and Scott for predicting the shutdown would end on last week's episode!) We also hear from a historian who told the Davos crowd that a top-marginal tax has historically worked in the United States.
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35:2601/02/2019
MAGA teens, Fyre Fest and Twitter wars
Kara and Scott talk about how Twitter duped us all again. Scott is fresh off a conference where both he and Sheryl Sandberg talked about the future of Facebook (spoiler alert: they have very different takes on how the company should move forward). Kara gets caught up in the Covington Catholic video drama. Now she's going head-to-head with Tucker Carlson (hey Tucker, want to come on our podcast?). Meanwhile, in another Twitter feud this week, Cardi B is a big winner after saying she'd "dog walk" Tomi Lahren. Also, Fyre Fest is still the biggest fail of all time (but the new documentaries about it are both a win!). And, Kara's prediction is that she'll never own another car again.
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39:3925/01/2019
"Woke" is the 2019 business strategy
Kara and Scott are back together again! This week they catch up on Jeff Bezos' divorce and his not so hot texting skills (hey alive girls!). We're pretty sure Gillette listens to Pivot because they took Scott up on one of his predictions; they used a social justice trend in their latest marketing campaign. Meanwhile, during this weeks senate confirmation hearing, Attorney General nominee William Barr got a surprising amount of questions -- from both sides of the aisle -- about enforcing antitrust laws and big tech. And, let's face it, @AOC, aka Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is winning the Internet.
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41:1618/01/2019
Tech addiction and how it might be ruining Gen Z
Scott brings on a guest-host, his NYU colleague and bestselling author Jonathan Haidt.
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39:1611/01/2019
Why the “Fakakta Shutdown” is slowing tech regulation even further
Kara brings on guest host Jon Lovett (Pod Save America) to talk about the government shut down, the new Congress and how it all might shake out for big tech.
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45:2904/01/2019
2018's biggest stories and 2019 predictions
Kara and Scott talk about some of the biggest stories in tech and business of the past year. They also make some big predictions for 2019.
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34:3728/12/2018