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The $4B Demand Gen Formula with Joy Corso, CMO of Vonage

The $4B Demand Gen Formula with Joy Corso, CMO of Vonage

“Make content personal for consumers. That’s what folks are really interested in. They want to be educated and engaged. We really want to try to serve up that blockbuster content that we think is going to be compelling for folks to help them make good decisions.” — Joy Corso----------Episode Timestamps:*(2:00) - How Joy got started in Demand Gen *(3:30) - What Vonage is and what it means to be CMO *(5:30) - The Trust Tree & Joy’s demand gen strategy *(8:30) - Who Vonage is selling to*(9:45) - Org structure for Joy’s marketing team*(12:25) - The Playbook - Joy’s most uncuttable budget items*(17:00) - Joys non-digital channels for marketing (day-to-day) *(18:30) - How to market to developers *(21:40) - What Joy is most likely to cut in the coming years *(23:35) - Joy’s favorite campaign *(26:40) - How Joy views Vonage’s website*(30:00) - Joy’s favorite/most convertible aspect of Vonage’s website*(35:20) - Quick Hits SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksConnect with Joy on LinkedIn Follow Joy on TwitterFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
41:3628/09/2021
Dreamforce Mini-series Part 3: The Origins of Salesforce+ with Colin Fleming, SVP of Global Brand, Events, Product, Content, & Customer Marketing at Salesforce

Dreamforce Mini-series Part 3: The Origins of Salesforce+ with Colin Fleming, SVP of Global Brand, Events, Product, Content, & Customer Marketing at Salesforce

“The content we're putting out is not transactional. It's not behind a gate. It's essentially there to help people be better at their jobs as salespeople or marketers or commerce individuals or admins or devs. It's really to help people be better. And we think organically that will help grow the business.” — Colin Fleming ---------Episode Timestamps:*(2:15) - Colin’s first job at Salesforce*(2:40) - Life as driver for Red Bull racing *(4:11) - The origins of Salesforce+*(9:07) - Why marketers have underinvested in content*(12:50) - Community building and long term investments*(15:10) - Planning the rollout of Salesforce+*(17:06) - How to think about educational + entertaining content *(23:34) - The scale of Dreamforce and Salesforce+*(29:20) - How Salesforce+ will organize its content *(32:00) - How Salesforce+ thinks about advertising + partner relationships *(37:00) - What surprised Colin about the Salesforce+ process *(41:07) - What Colin would do differently about the Salesforce+ rollout SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksConnect with Colin on LinkedInFollow Colin on TwitterSalesforce+Dreamforce 2021Follow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
44:5621/09/2021
Dreamforce Mini-series Part 2: Reimagining B2B Events in a Digital-First World with with Kraig Swensrud, Linda Dunlap, & Dan Darcy

Dreamforce Mini-series Part 2: Reimagining B2B Events in a Digital-First World with with Kraig Swensrud, Linda Dunlap, & Dan Darcy

“My hires this year have not come from the event world. They've all come from the broadcast production world so that we can understand how to keep curating products that are going to be engaging to our viewers. We take that concept of ‘we've come here to tell a story.’ So we have to take advantage of all the tools and best practices out there in storytelling. And that means that we're not borrowing from the events world, we're borrowing from a completely different industry.” — Linda Episode Timestamps:*(1:47) Dreamforce’s inspiration going into a hybrid world*(10:42) Hiring from different industries is a cheat code*(20:38) Dreamforce’s secret unstoppable sauce*(21:42) What to expect for the upcoming Dreamforce SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksConnect with Dan on LinkedInFollow Dan on TwitterConnect with Linda on LinkedIn Follow Linda on TwitterConnect with Kraig on LinkedInFollow Kraig on Twitter Follow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com 
23:4314/09/2021
Dreamforce Mini-series Part 1: The Legends that Built Dreamforce with Kraig Swensrud, Linda Dunlap, & Dan Darcy

Dreamforce Mini-series Part 1: The Legends that Built Dreamforce with Kraig Swensrud, Linda Dunlap, & Dan Darcy

“There's something about the culture where you just take things on. There's not a lot of time to be overwhelmed or have fear. You go into a room and you're like, ‘all right, let's bring out all the ideas that would make this bigger.’ And then you just turn each one over to see what's possible and how it can work. There's not that space of, ‘oh my goodness, how are we going to do this?’ It's just like, ‘all right, you guys, let's just take this on. Let's go.’” — Linda Dunlap Episode Timestamps: *(6:40) Create the bar that others will want to try and raise*(18:27) Having a vision and being intentional*(19:10) It matters where you’re getting your inspiration from*(29:38) The importance of having a backup plan*(35:00) The epicenter of the keynote*(44:16) Cultivating a fearless mindset SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksConnect with Dan on LinkedInFollow Dan on TwitterConnect with Linda on LinkedIn Follow Linda on TwitterConnect with Kraig on LinkedInFollow Kraig on Twitter Follow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com 
53:5214/09/2021
Scaling the $9.5B Rocketship with Kady Srinivasan, SVP Global Head of Marketing at Klaviyo

Scaling the $9.5B Rocketship with Kady Srinivasan, SVP Global Head of Marketing at Klaviyo

“Be confident. There are so many people who are going to make you want to second guess your intuition about things that you have to do, but just stay strong and focus on what you think is right.”  — Kady Srinivasan-----------Episode Timestamps:*(0:30) - How Kady got into demand gen*(3:05) - What a Global Head of Marketing does*(6:00) - The Trust Tree*(7:00) - Klaviyo’s marketing strategy*(8:38) - The organization of the Klaviyo marketing team*(9:20) - Who goes into the e-commerce buying committee*(10:27) - How Kady thinks about market segmentation*(12:22) - The Playbook - 3 Uncuttable Budget items*(14:12) - Kady’s main marketing philosophy after 20 years in the space*(17:00) - Hotjar analysis tool*(24:09) - How to help your customers achieve their goals*(25:20) - What Kady’s team won’t be spending money on this year *(27:08) - How Kady views Klaviyo’s website*(28:30) - The Dust Up *(32:32) - Marketing at EA and Ubisoft *(34:50) - Quick Hits SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksHotjar website toolKlaviyo is hiringThe Art of the Impossible bookConnect with Kady on LinkedInFollow Kady on TwitterFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com 
39:2507/09/2021
How to Borrow Ideas Like a Marketer with Morgan Norman, CMO of Dialpad

How to Borrow Ideas Like a Marketer with Morgan Norman, CMO of Dialpad

Key TakeawaysAs a marketer, you’re here to borrow, remix, and be unique — not to steal.Demand gen is more than numbers and metrics. Without engaging storytelling, you’re destined to fail.All CMOs should have open dialogue with their CEOs. If you’re not willing/able to share your rawest ideas, you’re both in trouble.Quote“As a marketer, we're always borrowing, cheating, stealing from everyone out there in the market. And I think that's good and bad. You can use the pattern from someone else, but the bad part is you're also not always coming up with your own unique ideas. And if you're a marketer, you're a pretty bad-ass creative person. In general, that's why you're here. That's why the world puts you there.”Episode Timestamps:*(4:15) - The Trust Tree - Morgan’s demand gen strategy *(6:20) - How marketing and demand fit into sales*(8:06) - The Playbook - Morgan’s Uncuttable Budget Items*(9:40) - Paid Google spend*(12:50) - Why great marketers are always borrowing*(15:50) - Planting the seed in consumers' minds*(18:10) - What Morgan’s investing in from a creative standpoint*(23:48) - Taking cues from B2C to implement to B2B*(28:17) - How to think about personalization*(34:00) - The Dust Up*(37:05) - Morgan’s favorite campaign*(38:40) - The challenge of marketing A.I. *(43:25) - How to view your website*(44: 25) - Quick HitsSponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksConnect with Morgan on LinkedInFollow Morgan on TwitterDavid Goggins bookCheckout DialpadFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
48:4931/08/2021
Leading a $3.2B Twilio Acquisition with Marketing MVP Katrina Wong, VP of Product Marketing & Demand Generation at Segment

Leading a $3.2B Twilio Acquisition with Marketing MVP Katrina Wong, VP of Product Marketing & Demand Generation at Segment

“I think most outbound prospecting these days is being warmed up in some way, shape or form by marketing and all the content we put out there. And each marketing engagement becomes a signal. It's a clue and it gives us insight on the intent of the prospect. And so I don't know if true cold calling exists in the same way as it did years ago.” — Katrina Wong---------Episode Timestamps:*(2:08) - Katrina’s first job in demand gen*(3:00) - What marketing at Segment looks like*(4:20) - The Trust Tree*(6:50) - What Segment is and who their customers are*(10:00) - Technical vs. functional leaders *(13:08) - How Katrina views Segment’s website*(14:10) - The Playbook & the Most Uncuttable Budget Items *(15:30) - SEM/paid social tricks*(18:00) - Product demos in person vs. over Zoom*(19:15) - What legacy marketing tactic is fading away *(22:50) - Katrina’s favorite campaign over her career*(26:30) - Insights around personalization*(29:30) - Katrina’s most memorable dust-up*(30:44) - What it was like getting acquired by Twilio*(33:08) - Quick Hits SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksSegment’s blogTwilio’s Signal ConferenceFollow Katrina on TwitterConnect with Katrina on LinkedInFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
37:3424/08/2021
The Power of Intent with 3-time CMO/CEO Raj Khera, Head of Growth at SalesIntel

The Power of Intent with 3-time CMO/CEO Raj Khera, Head of Growth at SalesIntel

“Don't hold back your knowledge. One of my recent posts was about sharing your expertise. Nobody's going to believe you're an expert if all you do is talk about what you know. You actually have to show people what you know. So write articles, write a book, do a webinar on your specific area of expertise and let it all out. Just share that knowledge.” — Raj Khera-----Episode Timestamps:*(2:07) Raj’s first job in demand gen*(3:00) SalesIntel explained*(4:00) What Raj’s role is and what he does as head of growth*(4:40) The Trust Tree - Raj’s demand gen strategy *(6:20) SalesIntel’s Org Structure*(8:00) Who SalesIntel sells too *(10:45) The demand for SalesIntel*(13:20) How Marketing departments use SalesIntel*(16:50) The Playbook - Raj’s Uncuttable Budget Items*(18:35) Raj’s favorite tools for keyword research*(20:20) PPC strategies for SalesIntel and Raj*(23:40) Setting up sponsorships and sponsorships in general*(31:20) Dust-ups *(36:40) Raj’s favorite campaign*(38:10) Bad campaigns are due to not testing enough*(39:45) Quick hits  ----- SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksConnect with Raj on LinkedInFollow Raj on TwitterJonathan Livingston SeagullPower Questions - Build Relationships, Win New Business and Influence OthersSalesIntel is hiring!Follow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
43:3717/08/2021
The Secrets to Success Using G2 with 3-time CMO Amanda Malko, CMO of G2

The Secrets to Success Using G2 with 3-time CMO Amanda Malko, CMO of G2

“Retention is the foundation for growth. And I think it's one that's easy to overlook as you're focused on pipe gen and getting more customers. But if you invest in customer success advocacy and building a community, then you're going to continue to have a very successful business because you're going to retain and grow the customers that you already have.” — Amanda Malko-----------Episode Timestamps:*(2:25) Amanda’s first job in demand gen*(2:50) Amanda’s role at G2*(6:50) Digital transformation wasn’t the only thing COVID accelerated*(7:20) The Trust Tree*(9:30) How different people are using G2 successfully*(11:15) G2’s overall go to market motion and strategy*(20:05) Amanda’s marketing philosophy and how she treats her first 90 days as CMO*(22:00) The Playbook — Amanda’s Uncuttable Budget Items*(25:25) Amanda’s views on customer marketing*(28:30) How B2B enterprise tech companies can leverage ABM/email marketing*(33:00) Measuring campaign success and the framework G2 uses*(35:15) Amanda’s advice for someone figuring out their G2 strategy*(39:00) How Amanda views G2’s website, chatbots, and conversational marketing*(41:30) Amanda’s most memorable dust-ups and advice*(43:15) Quick hits SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksConnect with Amanda on LinkedInFollow Amanda on TwitterFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
47:1110/08/2021
Part 4: Top CMOs Share Their Most Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items

Part 4: Top CMOs Share Their Most Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items

Episode Timestamps: *(3:54) Christelle Flahaux, Head of Marketing, FortressIQ*(6:02) Jamie Domenici, CMO, LogMeIn*(6:47) Susan Ganeshan, CMO, Granicus*(9:20) Dave Kellogg, Principal, Dave Kellogg Consulting*(13:18) Norman Guadagno, CMO, Acoustic*(16:14) Alex Rosemblat, CMO, Datadog*(18:22) Jay Lee, CMO, Avalara*(20:50) Jim Sinai, SVP Marketing, Procore Technologies*(22:42) Josh Todd, CMO, Mindbody*(25:33) Erica Chan, Head of Brand and Marketing, North America B2B, Alibaba*(29:00) Sydney Sloan, CMO, SalesLoft*(31:10) Brian Kardon, CMO, InVision SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksFind parts one, two, and threeFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
34:0903/08/2021
Marketing for 100% of the Fortune 100 with 5-time CMO Brian Kardon, CMO of InVision

Marketing for 100% of the Fortune 100 with 5-time CMO Brian Kardon, CMO of InVision

“The part of the playbook is to go slow to go fast. So I see a lot of people going really fast, but if you don't have the foundation of analytics, you're really flying blind. And so as marketers jump into a new job and they want to really show value right away. But if you don't have a good foundation of understanding, what's working, what isn't, you don't have a really good marketing automation platform that's configured the right way and the right MarTech stack and the right data stack, it's going to slow you down later. It's like engineers who have technical debt. Like you can never develop a new product if the foundation is cracked, you just can't build up. And so for marketing organizations, you've got to go slow to go fast.” ---------*(2:24) How Brian got into marketing*(2:53) Everything you need to know about InVision*(5:26) Brian’s main marketing/demand-gen strategy*(7:30) How Brian thinks about InVision’s website*(8:31) Bots are better than humans at demand gen*(13:10) Study SDRs and direct mail like an anthropologist*(17:37) The theme of Brian’s marketing playbook is to go slow to go fast*(36:50) Brian’s favorite campaign of all time*(39:45) How Brian thinks about marketing a new product *(44:50) Brian remicises on a memorable dust up and advice on avoiding them*(46:20) Quick hits--------SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.--------LinksThe Qualified Sales Leader: Proven Lessons from a Five Time CRO by John McMahonInvision’s podcastFreehand by InvisionFollow Brian on TwitterConnect with Brian on LinkedInFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
47:1527/07/2021
The Clearing Model: A Framework for Having Difficult Conversations with Sydney Sloan, CMO of SalesLoft

The Clearing Model: A Framework for Having Difficult Conversations with Sydney Sloan, CMO of SalesLoft

This episode features an interview with Sydney Sloan, CMO of Salesloft, a leading sales engagement platform whose most recent funding round valued the company at over a billion dollars.Sydney is a two-time CMO and seasoned marketer with more than 25 years of experience as an advisor, investor, and marketing leader for numerous companies, most notably Adobe, where she spent 15 years in product marketing, customer marketing, and demand generation.On this episode, Sydney delves into the inner workings of SalesLoft’s website, explains how to personalize your marketing team’s communications, and shares the framework she uses for having difficult conversations at work.Key TakeawaysAll marketing teams must use the communications holy-quad-fecta: email, phone calls, social touches, and direct mail.Your website is a direct reflection of your brand. Treat it that way.CMOs who are trying to rethink or figure out their demand gen strategy: don't try and fix it all at once. Find one part that you can focus the team on, fix that first, and then go to the next one.Quotes“You have to personalize your communications. Email is the primary channel, but you have to use more than email….When you're doing email, phone call, a social touch and a direct mail, that is the holy-quad-fecta. You'll get a 4.7 X higher lift than sending email alone.” “Everybody in SaaS knows that you have to continue to work really hard to maintain a customer, especially in a competitive marketplace. So having those programs where customers can come and learn about what we're up to and learn from others is important.”“I love my website. First of all, I believe the website is the first door, the reflection of your brand. It should speak like a human and we've worked really hard to make it sound like a ‘Lofter’ and even our chatbot’s called Lofty. Just having that ability to communicate in the way that sellers want to be communicated to– that’s so important.”“My one piece of advice to give to a CMO who's trying to rethink or figure out their demand gen strategy would be to don't try and fix it all at once. Try and find one part that you can focus the team on and fix that first and then go to the second one. Trying to do it all at once can be overwhelming and take too long. Get quick wins.”  SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksFuture Female CRO seriesHey Sales People podcastDare To Lead by Brené Brown bookHow to Win Friends & Influence People by Dale CarnegieDare to Lead podcast by Brené BrownFollow Sydney on TwitterConnect with Sydney on LinkedInFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
38:0620/07/2021
Globalizing & Localizing Your Brand with Alibaba’s Head of North America B2B Brand and Marketing, Erica Chan

Globalizing & Localizing Your Brand with Alibaba’s Head of North America B2B Brand and Marketing, Erica Chan

This episode features an interview with Erica Chan. Erica leads Alibaba’s Brand and Customer Insights Team in North America, where she works with over 20,000 sellers and 26 million buyers worldwide. On this episode, Erica talks about the challenges and misconceptions a Chinese company faces when breaking into the North American market. She also shares her insights on building customer trust, trade-show and content strategy, and much more. Key TakeawaysYou’re only as successful as your customers' success.There are over 30M U.S. businesses, but only around 1% do international sales. Think about how your marketing efforts can increase international sales.If you have a brand or company that you’re trying to globalize, don’t forget about the localization aspect of globalization. Local communities make up the global community.Quotes“At the end of the day, B2B is a very human business. What we’ve found is that having an on-the-ground customer success team to pick up the phone or meet face-to-face with our customers to help them through this digital journey has been tremendous. For us, this is a gold mine for customer insights.” “We rely a lot on our ecosystem of partners to help us with content ideas and also content creation...we love creating the content with our customers. We feel very strongly that our customer's success is our success. We're only successful if our customers are successful and we love featuring customer success stories.” “We actually have a competition within our office...We want to encourage folks to talk and get in front of as many customers as possible. It's like a competition amongst teams... like a fun way for us to incentivize getting front and center and really listening to our customers.” SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksAlibaba's B2B Today Daily SeriesConnect with Erica on LinkedInFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
42:0513/07/2021
Inception, Flow, & Interruption: Three Pillars of Marketing Glory with Josh Todd, CMO of Mindbody

Inception, Flow, & Interruption: Three Pillars of Marketing Glory with Josh Todd, CMO of Mindbody

This episode features an interview with Josh Todd, CMO of Mindbody, the leading technology platform for the wellness industry.Josh is a two-time CMO with 20 years of strategic and tactical experience in key marketing leadership positions, including eight years at Constant Contact, where he led an aggressive customer-acquisition strategy that propelled the company from 50,000 to more than 600,000 customers.On this episode, Josh discusses how he’s structured his marketing organization to serve the unique blend of Mindbody’s B2B and B2C product offerings, and the challenge of building a website that serves both sides of the market.Key TakeawaysLess is more with your website copy. It’s more difficult to nail it, but if done correctly, the influence is huge.By making your marketing more simplistic internally, you’ll get more ideas from people who aren’t typically in marketing.The saying, “Everybody thinks they’re a marketer,” doesn’t always have to be a bad thing. The more ideas the better.Quotes“What we've really focused on is hiring marketers who truly understand what the one-to-one personal touch looks like. And I mean, they are just great at going in and understanding, ‘what do they care about? What do they like? How do I find a creative way to break through that's aligned with our vision, our messaging for how we can support them, and then having that directly connected to the sales team so that they are talking the same language.’” “There are three ways for us to [market] everything we do. There's inception marketing, where we're laying that groundwork. It's thought leadership — we're showing up in your trusted publications, and we're incepting this idea of Mindbody and what we can do. There’s flow, where we’re showing up where you are, whether it's answering a question in search or showing up to an event that you're already at. And then finally there's interruption, where you weren't really looking for us. Some of our advertising falls into that area, but what we're trying to do with these strategic accounts is just get in flow with them. Go where they are. Remove any barriers and any resistance. And then we can have a conversation about how we can help their business.” “We try to keep things as simple as possible. We look at that buyer's journey: Awareness, interest, desire, and action. It may feel old. It may feel too simplistic, but what it does is it creates a common language for the marketing org and the rest of the org. If we orient it to the customer journey, if we keep what we're trying to do simple and straightforward, we can actually stay out of our own way. We can bring the org in and now you start getting ideas from all other places, because you've made a kind of marketing theory, if you want to call that, accessible.” “There are a lot of hard parts in marketing, but one is: everybody feels like they’re a marketer. But like anything, the closer you get to it, the more you understand. This is a science, this is an art. Every little part of it is super complex. So the more we can simplify that and broaden the conversation, we feel like the more smart people we can get engaging and coming up with great ideas.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksHidden Brain PodcastMindbody’s websiteFollow Josh on TwitterConnect with Josh on LinkedInFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
54:4206/07/2021
How an $11B Powerhouse Tackled Pre and Post IPO Marketing with Jim Sinai, SVP of Marketing at Procore

How an $11B Powerhouse Tackled Pre and Post IPO Marketing with Jim Sinai, SVP of Marketing at Procore

This episode features an interview with Jim Sinai, Senior Vice President of Marketing at Procore Technologies, a global cloud-based construction software company that recently went public at an approximate valuation of $9B. Prior to Procore, Jim held numerous senior leadership roles across 8 years at Salesforce, including leading the launch for major product rollouts of Salesforce Platform and Salesforce Einstein. On this episode, Jim unpacks the intersection between product marketing and demand gen, the hardest challenge facing modern marketers, the future of webinars, and much more.Key TakeawaysEvery product marketer must think like a CMO. Messaging is important, but messaging for an entire audience is more important.Whenever you have a disagreement, the answer is not going to be found inside the four walls of the building, it's outside with the customer.If you're a CMO and you're not willing to learn how the demand gen systems work, you're not going to be CMO for very long.Quotes“The best demand gen leaders out there can do product marketing. I've seen them do product marketing, and they all have the same attributes in common, which are stakeholder management and alignment. At the end of the day, what makes for great campaigns and great demand gen is when you have the sales team and the marketing team focusing on trying to say the right message to the right people.” “All good campaigns are really just about trying to get eyeballs back to your website where you're trying to convert things. We have this mantra at Procore in our marketing team that the website is our most important asset. And we put all of our attention to make sure that we have all of our merchandising on the website.” “Just think about how your buyers are humans and they want a really delightful experience on the website. [Maybe] that's integrating a chatbot...One of the things that I think is fantastic is when you don't have to talk to a salesperson to book a meeting with the salesperson. I want to talk to sales and I want to talk to them either now via chat or I want to pick up the phone. Giving the shopper that channel is really important.”“Whenever you have a disagreement, the answer is not inside the four walls of the building, it's out with the customer. So the person who has tested it the most is the person who will likely have the winning argument in a dust-up.” “If you're a CMO and you're not willing to learn how the demand systems work, you're not going to be CMO for long, unless you have a phenomenal demand gen visionary as your right hand..” SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksWorld of Concrete ConferenceProcore is hiring! Follow Jim on TwitterConnect with Jim on LinkedInFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
43:5529/06/2021
Metrics: A CMO's Best & Worst Friend with Jay Lee, CMO of Avalara

Metrics: A CMO's Best & Worst Friend with Jay Lee, CMO of Avalara

This episode features an interview with Jay Lee, CMO at Avalara, a leading provider of tax compliance automation software valued at $13B.Jay is a two-time CMO with more than 20 years of experience developing high-performing marketing teams, and previously held leadership roles at GE, American Express, and PayPal.In this episode, Jay walks us through the ins and outs of partner marketing, growing site traffic, content strategy, and the key learnings that he and the marketing team at Avalara are reflecting on post-pandemic.Key TakeawaysIf your company is in a rapidly changing industry, treat your website as an online newspaper. Keep your users up-to-date on what’s changing in your industry so your site is the go-to site.Always have backup marketing channels at the ready. You never know when the next curveball will be thrown your way.CMOs that don’t have the numbers on their side are in deep trouble. Metrics are your best and worst enemy. Quotes“We are always trying to get a sense of what the spend is and then what the return is. In B2B, it's all about what kind of leads you are creating and all the different programs that you have and what kind of pipeline you're generating for sales.”“A recommendation from a partner, ‘hey, you should use Avalara to manage your tax compliance in our system,’ that's enormous. We do a lot of direct marketing ourselves. But it's always better to have that trusted advisor or a system that you're already using to endorse us because you know that it's going to work and that’s what really matters.” “COVID happened in March and immediately the whole events industry shut down. That was a whole channel for us. It just went dark. If you're thinking about a multichannel approach to go to market and one of the main ones to your target audience gets shut off — what are you going to do? What we did was we leaned into all the other channels. We put up a bunch of webinars and started to get ourselves into the virtual world.” “What's so great about marketing versus any other part of the company is it's where you're actually supposed to test a ton of stuff. So there really isn't any bad marketing campaign. Just as long as it doesn't cause any reputational issues or do anything that’s too strange.” “Marketing should never say this: ‘We tried that and it didn't work.’ Because the world is always different today than it was yesterday. And circumstances have changed. Testing is always a part of the budget that people should make sure that they have.”  SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksAvalara Crush Virtual EventHidden Brain podcastJay's LinkedinJay’s TwitterFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
49:2622/06/2021
From Employee 11 to $600M in Revenue with Alex Rosemblat, CMO of Datadog

From Employee 11 to $600M in Revenue with Alex Rosemblat, CMO of Datadog

Key TakeawaysDon’t sweat the numbers, sweat the quality.All B2B marketing teams should consider hiring a great demand gen person that knows Google ad words as an early hire.To make an event that drives pipeline, you must define your audience as narrowly as possible.Quotes“To make an event that drives pipeline, I think the most important thing is to define your audience as narrowly as possible. If you were to say ‘this is going to be an event tailored for X kind of person,’ that's probably not enough. It's got to be X kind of person that works on Y kind of systems that is really concerned about Z kind of things. You really need to get as tailored as you can.” “Getting a great demand gen person that knows Google ad words like the back of their hand should be an early hire for any marketing team that’s doing B2B marketing.”“Something that we’ve done really well at Datadog: once we find a formula that works—even if it’s at a very small scale—then the challenge on us as a marketing team is to figure out how to keep repeating it or doing it in a bigger way until we hit a ceiling where you can’t do any more of it.”“I think if you were to take a look under the covers, we really do marketing by a thousand cuts. We have a lot of campaigns that do really small numbers, but they’re good numbers or the quality on them is good. So we keep on layering more small campaigns...and that’s how we end up delivering a very good set of leads for our sales team.”“The worst thing you can do is keep on trying to push something that's just not working up the hill and expending effort on it. Because there might be a lot of other campaigns that actually will work. And the effort that you're putting on this thing that you can't ever seem to get to work might be better spent in other places.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. LinksFollow Alex on TwitterFollow Alex on LinkedInDatadog is hiring! Follow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInwww.caspianstudios.com
46:5015/06/2021
Cutting Through the Noise: The Challenge of Marketing to Marketers with Norman Guadagno, CMO of Acoustic

Cutting Through the Noise: The Challenge of Marketing to Marketers with Norman Guadagno, CMO of Acoustic

Key TakeawaysSEM and SEO have to work together.You can’t just appeal to the rational side of your audience. You have to also appeal to the emotional side as well.People forget how video humanizes marketing through the “show” aspect of the “show don’t tell” side of marketing.Quotes“Nobody sees through BS faster than another marketer. There's a level of transparency, honesty, and integrity that I think marketers need to bring to the table when they're marketing to their peers.” “I have been and will continue to be–and the numbers prove it–a believer in search. SEM works no matter how you slice it. SEM is not a one and done. You have to water and trim the plants every single day because it really requires attention. You have to understand the market. You have to be thoughtful about what you’re investing in and continue to iterate.” “Our website is conceptually the center of our demand creation universe. No matter what else we're going to do, we're trying to bring people back to the website to spend time there or to download content or complete a ‘contact us’ form. I look at the website as a living, breathing, entity and the second you take your eye off it and say, ‘it's good,’ you're wrong. You have to cultivate it and think about the experience that you're delivering and be willing to change things.” “For a first time CMO, I’d give the following advice: You are going to make mistakes. That's part of the deal. Don't forget that in the making of these mistakes, that’s how you start to learn what's actually going to resonate with your audience and you can't be afraid of that.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.Connect with Norman on LinkedInFollow Norman on TwitterSubscribe to Norman’s SubstackAcoustic is hiring!Follow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedIn
50:3708/06/2021
Make Sales Easier: The Blueprints of a Marketing Titan with Dave Kellogg, fmr 3x CMO and SVP/GM at Salesforce

Make Sales Easier: The Blueprints of a Marketing Titan with Dave Kellogg, fmr 3x CMO and SVP/GM at Salesforce

Key TakeawaysMost boards don’t have marketing leaders, but all boards have operators (GMs, CEOs, etc.) and successful ones have an understanding of marketing.If trends continue, more and more CMOs will become CEOsCMOs and CROs should be locked at the elbowsQuotes“I believe what separates the sales leaders from those who stay as CROs, to those who go on to become general managers or CEOs is actually an understanding of marketing.”“A key skill for any CMO is the ability to say no. Just don't say it too often. I believe both parts of that. You have to be able to say no, but you don’t want to become Dr. No, that doesn't work. So, you should have yes, no, and let's do an experiment.“The CMO should be locked at the elbow with the CRO. They should answer each other's phones on the first ring. They should have a good personal relationship. They should be aligned in meetings. One should take a bullet for the other. If one's getting shot at in the board meeting, the CMO should dive in front of the VP of sales or vice versa.” “Market vision while selling product. We market a vision to the customer that gets them excited about where we're going. Because when [customers] buy these apps, [they’re] not just buying what's on the truck today. We sell what's on the truck, but they buy into this broader vision.”“My credo has been ‘make sales easier’… I’ve built my career on it. And ironically, some of the biggest arguments I've had about that little phrase have been with sales leaders. They’ll say, ‘No, that's not what marketing's about,’ and I'm like, ‘Yeah, it is. That's why we're here.’ That's my philosophy and I’ve practiced it to the extent that it even surprises people sometimes.”“Marketing is the entire business scene from the point of view of the customer.” — Theodore Levitt, Former HBS Marketing professorSponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.Follow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInFollow Dave on TwitterConnect with Dave on LinkedInDave’s blogDave’s podcastwww.caspianstudios.com
51:4311/05/2021
Part 3: Top CMOs Share Their Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items for 2021

Part 3: Top CMOs Share Their Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items for 2021

Every week on Demand Gen Visionaries we sit down with marketing leaders from some of the world’s largest and fastest-growing companies to uncover the demand gen strategies that have been fundamental to their skyrocketing success.In each episode, we ask our marketing-leader guests which three areas of investment are most important to their demand gen initiatives. Tune into this special mini-series to hear the budget items our CMO guests can’t live without!Find parts one and two herePart three of this special mini-series features 12 CMOs and marketing leaders from some of the world's fastest-growing companies, including:Vidya Peters, CMO, MarqetaLeela Srinivasan, CMO, SurveyMonkeyGrant Johnson, CMO, EmburseRobin Daniels, CMO, MatterportJoanie Wang, Director of Marketing, ExpensifyRachel Thornton, SVP Marketing, Amazon Web ServicesEsther Flammer, VP Demand Gen, CongaMarie Gassée, VP Growth, ConfluentLynne Capozzi, CMO, AcquiaLen Fischer, SVP Demand Gen, OktaDave Dabbah, CMO, CleverTapNaman Khan, CMO, ZeplinKey TakeawaysPaid digital became even more important as a result of the pandemicInvest in a robust MarTech stackEvents are still going strong, they just look differentSponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInFind parts one and two here
31:3604/05/2021
No Silver Bullet: A 3-time CMO’s Approach to Demand Gen with Susan Ganeshan, CMO of Granicus

No Silver Bullet: A 3-time CMO’s Approach to Demand Gen with Susan Ganeshan, CMO of Granicus

This episode features an interview with Susan Ganeshan, CMO of Granicus.Susan is a multiple-time CMO with an impressive 25-year marketing career that includes leadership roles at Clarabridge, newBrandAnalytics, and Deloitte Consulting.On this episode, Susan discusses the unique challenges and opportunities that come with selling exclusively to government entities. She also expands on her career-long objective to convert leads faster, why she says there is no silver bullet in demand gen, and her philosophy that you have to do everything right.Key TakeawaysThere is no silver bullet in demand gen, which is why every component of the funnel must be done right.If you don't have a highly functioning BDR team,  you might as well take your leads and throw them into a lead graveyard. Beware of treadmill marketing. Get off the treadmill of constantly producing one small thing at a time, and create a strategy.Quotes“I have a philosophy on demand gen and my catchphrase is ‘there is no silver bullet.’ There's no one thing you can do that will make an amazing demand gen cycle, so you have to do everything right. You have to think of the entire funnel from top to bottom…and everything in that cycle has to be pristine. If there's even a little bit of fray on that thread, it will break. There’s no silver bullet, you have to do it all right.” “When you don't have a highly functioning BDR team–and I've talked to hundreds of CMOs about this–you might as well take your leads and throw them into a lead graveyard. Because salespeople don't have the diligence or the time to follow up in the way a BDR team does, and have a multi-touch cadence and that practice of continuing to go after those hot leads. So I would say that the people-spend that is probably most important to me is that BDR function.”“When you have a hot lead, it has a half-life, and you have to catch them while they're hot. That's been my objective as a CMO for a long time is to really focus on the speed at which we're talking to these people, catching them while they're thinking of us. The cool thing about Qualified is that when someone visits our website, we can use the Qualified workflow and logic to understand what pages they landed on...Qualified routes that person to a live conversation and my BDRs can start the conversation with them instantly.”“What we've found is that when someone requests a demo, about 10% of those are going to turn into opportunities. When someone comes through Qualified, it's 25%. It's remarkable.”“Memories are short. Catching someone in real time while the information is fresh and top of mind can make a dramatic difference in the overall conversion metrics."“You’ve got to do everything right, but don't let that overwhelm you. Start tackling one thing at a time, but make sure it's all strung together. There is no silver bullet. Don't let sales tell you that if only they had a single one-pager that they could get the deal done because they will keep telling you that.”“I call it treadmill marketing, when you are constantly producing one little small thing for sales, but it's not being reused or scalable in any way in the organization. And you're on the treadmill, you're running, running, running, but you're going nowhere. Get off the treadmill, create a strategy, and make sure it goes all the way through the funnel and pulls the string tight. Make sure it's consistent.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInFollow Susan on TwitterConnect with Susan on LinkedIn
43:0327/04/2021
Owning the SMB Market: $1.3B in ARR with a New Demand Gen Playbook with Jamie Domenici, CMO of LogMeIn

Owning the SMB Market: $1.3B in ARR with a New Demand Gen Playbook with Jamie Domenici, CMO of LogMeIn

This episode features an interview with Jamie Domenici, CMO of LogMeIn, a pioneer in remote work technology that has become one of the world’s largest SaaS companies.Prior to LogMeIn, Jamie spent ten years at Salesforce, serving in various marketing leadership positions including Global Senior Vice President of Customer Adoption, Marketing and Business Development.On this episode, Jamie shares her secrets on how to dominate the SMB market, why product-led growth is the key to the future of SaaS, the complexities of marketing a large portfolio of digital products, and where B2B marketing is headed in the future.Key TakeawaysWrite down these words: Simplicity through efficiency to drive growthPLG is key to the future of where SaaS is goingSimplicity matters. What would the T-Shirt say?Quotes“You’ve got to go where the customer is, especially in this current digital environment. And if they're in your product, it's so much easier to upsell and cross-sell there versus email or webinar or an area where you have to pull in. Having post-sale experience helped me to understand PLG because I think you have to look at that full funnel, and you’ve got to go where the customers are to really drive efficiencies within your marketing org.”“Back in the nineties, marketing was all about leads and MQLs, and many companies are still there, but the modern marketer is responsible for a heck of a lot more. The world is digital, and I think B2C has driven a lot of B2B behaviors and the consumer is so key. So for me, the digital experience is the most efficient way to spend and it's critical to building your brand and driving traffic.”“One of my most important measures now is actually website traffic as a key driver, because if I can fill this funnel, then all of the things I'm putting in place between e-com, PLG, sales optimization–that funnel is going to work, I just need to bring people in. I find driving awareness and building your organic website traffic is key to that long-term growth for a high-transactional company.”“Simplicity matters. Whenever I start at a new company or a new role or a new team or a new campaign, I always do this exercise which is ‘what would the t-shirt say?’ I give everybody a t-shirt and try and synthesize the message of the campaign down to what would be on a t-shirt…and I use that as the basis to drive this thematic approach to the campaign that you'll steel thread through every tactic. It helps your team to not over-complicate…if you just really narrow it down to what you want to say to your buyer in the simplest form, I think it really helps you build a cohesive strategy around it.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksFollow Ian on TwitterConnect with Ian on LinkedInFollow Jamie on TwitterConnect with Jamie on LinkedIn
45:5920/04/2021
Five Seconds to Wow Somebody: Two Decades of Demand Gen Secrets with Christelle Flahaux, VP of Marketing at FortressIQ

Five Seconds to Wow Somebody: Two Decades of Demand Gen Secrets with Christelle Flahaux, VP of Marketing at FortressIQ

This episode features an interview with Christelle Flahaux, Vice President of Marketing at FortressIQ, a pioneer in the burgeoning field of process intelligence.Christelle is a seasoned professional drawing on two decades of experience in marketing, including senior leadership roles at some of the tech industry’s most recognized and fastest-growing B2B companies. Prior to joining FortressIQ, she served as CMO of Planful, formerly known as Host Analytics.On this episode, Christelle lays out her approach to category creation and why content and analyst relations play key roles in marketing an emerging category. She also discusses why the CMO’s job is to be a listener, the content value of podcasting, and how to do ABM with food trucks. Key TakeawaysCategory creation means spending time with analysts and making it seem like it was their idea.Use analyst relations as a demand gen engine and treat it like a budget item.Repurpose your content. Quotes“Growing up in demand gen, I never realized how important analysts were…But what I've realized is that the relationship that you have with the analysts, being on their radar, always being in front of them, being a customer of some sort–I think that to me is uncuttable now. Six or seven years ago I would not have even brought up analysts, but I think analysts are very important.”“I'm a huge fan of repurposing content. Do one thing and create six or seven pieces of content…I think that's what a lot of marketing teams get wrong is they always start with a fresh piece of paper…But it's not always about creating something from scratch.”“The website's the front door to any company. You think about someone's first interaction with you as a potential vendor, and it's the website…You've got five seconds to wow somebody.”“80% of people have probably already done their homework…And if they want to talk to you, they're going to reach out, which is why conversational marketing and chat is so hot right now, because it is such a low barrier to entry for me [as a prospective customer] to have a conversation with somebody and set up a demo. I just want to see the product. Period, end of story. Don't pitch me, don't ask me what my problems are, I already know what my problems are.”“[My advice to a first-time CMO is] just listen. Do what you can to listen to the salespeople and to your customers. Before you do anything, make sure you understand your current state, what is actually happening, where you need to focus. And the only way you can do that is to be a listener. I say my first 30 days are usually spent as resident therapist for a lot of people because they always want to tell the new person what's wrong and how they would fix it. It's your job to understand the lowest common denominator and work your way through that list.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksFollow Ian on TwitterFollow Christelle on Twitterwww.fortressiq.com
49:3506/04/2021
Journey to CMO: What I Learned From the World's Greatest SaaS Companies with Naman Khan, CMO of Zeplin

Journey to CMO: What I Learned From the World's Greatest SaaS Companies with Naman Khan, CMO of Zeplin

This episode features an interview with Naman Khan, CMO of Zeplin.Naman is an accomplished marketing leader with experience across B2B and B2C marketing and sales at some of the largest companies in the world. Before joining Zeplin, he served as VP of Marketing at Dropbox, VP of Product Marketing at Salesforce, and held marketing leadership roles at Microsoft and Autodesk.On this episode, Naman discusses his journey from some of the world’s most recognizable brands to being a first-time CMO and standing up a new marketing organization. He also shares how he learned to harden messaging frameworks from Marc Benioff and more of the fascinating insights and most successful campaigns from his time at Salesforce and Dropbox.Key TakeawaysHow to harden messaging frameworks. It takes prioritization and curation.Content is an investment, it doesn’t happen on its own.Succeeding is great, but learning is way better.Quotes“I've been through messaging frameworks many times over my many years. There's only a handful of messaging that I've seen done well…When people like Marc Benioff review a messaging framework, they know what good looks like, so you learn how to harden messaging frameworks. You learn how to create really simple content that optimizes for simplicity instead of completeness or accuracy…What you really want to do is think about your user…You'll be lucky if they remember two or three things, so optimize for two or three things. This sounds so simple, but unless you've done it the hard way, it's very easy to keep making those mistakes.”“We all want that very simple, elegant, pithy ‘A thousand songs in your pocket’ that kind of says it all. I don't think it's always going to happen, but that's the goal–to get to where you curate a message that people totally get…but that comes from curating and prioritizing. You really have to invest in it. Otherwise, you just end up with kind of flat, generic sounding messaging that you can just take your logo off and put a competitor's logo on.”“When people think of tactics, they may not always think of website. But because we're a hybrid self-service and sales-assist model, our website is super, super critical. So making sure that the website is optimized for top of funnel, middle, and purchase is important. And again, that doesn't just happen. You have to be very thoughtful about when you update your website with different features, when you want to run a promo, when you want to spin up a landing page, and how that will affect the overall kind of revenue footprint for your company.”“Growth experiments and our MarTech stack–I put those together because you just can't have one without the other. For us to drive revenue and drive demand, it's all about running experiments through the high volume of visitors and the high volume of freemium traffic that we get.”“Succeeding is great, but learning is way better. The reason is marketing isn't just rinse and repeat. You can't have done growth optimization at one company, come do the exact same thing at another company, and think that anything will ever look the same. There are just too many variables.”“You can glean a lot of insight if you invest in data science. You can actually build a pretty complete picture of what the user is doing. You see that in other industries like social media–they know what I'm going to have for lunch right now, it's kind of bananas. So if you invest in really learning about your customer–quant, qual, take a look at how they use your app, and you iterate on it and become really good at it, it makes for much more sophisticated, targeted, high-ROI marketing.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksFollow Ian on Twitterhttps://zeplin.io/
47:5630/03/2021
Make It Memorable: Secrets from a 20 Year Tech Veteran on Tackling Global Expansion with Dave Dabbah, CMO of CleverTap

Make It Memorable: Secrets from a 20 Year Tech Veteran on Tackling Global Expansion with Dave Dabbah, CMO of CleverTap

This episode features an interview with Dave Dabbah, CMO of CleverTap, the leading AI-powered customer engagement and retention platform.Dave has been leading high growth marketing teams in Silicon Valley for the past 20 years. Prior to joining CleverTap, he led marketing at Agora, and he currently serves as an advisor and board member for several Silicon Valley startups.On this episode, Dave details his strategy for building a growth brand in the B2B space, the unique challenges of being a global company and evaluating international markets, and why it’s your job as a marketer to always make things memorable.Key TakeawaysIt all starts with the most basic principle: Know who you’re trying to sell to. What exact problem are you solving for them?You probably need to be doing 10X as much ABM as you’re currently doing if you’re trying to grow at scale Whether it’s in product naming, branding, re-designing, re-branding, coming up with taglines, etc. it’s your job to make it memorableQuotes“Targeting lighthouse and strategic accounts is different than targeting the mid-market. [I’m a] big fan of ABM, but my take on ABM is there are different levels of ABM…If you're trying to build your business rapidly, and you're also trying to grab some portion of market share in a specific market, you need to do 10 times as much ABM as you're currently doing in order to really grow at scale.”“In a B2B business, it becomes important that every potential brand, whether or not they're a potential customer today–they could be a potential customer tomorrow or a potential customer 36 months from now–is aware of [your] brand. And the only way to really do that is to make sure that the brand is getting in front of as many people as often as possible without annoying them along the way.”“One of our biggest challenges globally is how do we keep the brand fresh? I’m a big fan of having large PR teams that are able to help a company expand pretty rapidly in a specific market…My experience has always been that the best way to grow a global brand is to grow it with leaders on the ground in those spaces and in those markets.”“My take on PPC is different than a lot of other marketers in the B2B space. A lot of other marketers in the B2B space would simply say to you, ‘what's the return on investment for the amount of money we spend on our pay per click ads?’ The truth is if you just look at stuff like that, then you would probably stop spending money on PPC ads. What it really comes down to is brand recognition. You want people to see your brand and think about your brand…a large portion of our PPC budget is really just billboarding. It's providing us a significant amount of brand recognition, which you need to do time and time and time again in order to really build a growth brand in the B2B space in a lot of the markets that we're in.”“My personal thing is to always try to make things memorable. If you don't try to make things memorable, then you’re not doing your job as a marketer. And when you look at a bunch of the B2B brands in the marketplace, how many of those would you consider to be memorable?”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksFollow Ian on TwitterFollow Dave on Twitterhttps://clevertap.com/
40:0723/03/2021
Stay Agile, Stand Out: Accelerating Pipeline to Achieve a $30B Market Cap with Len Fischer, SVP of Demand Gen at Okta

Stay Agile, Stand Out: Accelerating Pipeline to Achieve a $30B Market Cap with Len Fischer, SVP of Demand Gen at Okta

This episode features an interview with Len Fischer, Senior Vice President of Demand Generation at Okta.Len leads the team responsible for creating and accelerating Okta’s pipeline through campaign management, field marketing, partner marketing, and digital marketing efforts. Prior to Okta, Len was Executive VP of Marketing at BDNA, and held key leadership roles in marketing and sales at Informatica. He holds an MBA from Pepperdine University. On this episode, Len shares how he and his team at Okta strive to be different, how his demand gen strategy changes over time, the person who he says can get him fired the quickest, and some of the most clever and interesting demand gen initiatives he’s seen. Key TakeawaysPush the envelope on innovation with campaigns and demand gen initiativesIn SAAS, if you’re not focusing on customer marketing, customer success, and customer programs, you’re not going to be in business for long Remember that sales is marketing’s customer, and in demand gen, the Head of Sales can probably get you fired faster than anyone else canQuotes“There's a big portion of my demand strategy that will change over time as the company evolves and changes. You have to be able to partner with not only sales, but the other functions within marketing in order to be effective. Think about demand over personalization, digitalization, and integration, and if those three themes carry through, you'll have a successful demand motion.”“The person that can get me fired the quickest is the Head of Sales. So if the Head of Sales does not think I'm doing the job, regardless of if [the CMO] thinks I'm doing the job, that's the quickest way for me to get fired.”“Not everything in marketing will work. That's the other thing that I've learned over the years. And what doesn't work typically will teach you more lessons than what does work. So as long as you're willing to think about why it didn't work and what kind of changes you would do next time, I think there's value in it, regardless of how much pipeline you get.”“I'm a big believer that these experiential things really work, but I would rather do a few of them and go to the big events–go to the Final Four, go to The Masters…We want to be different, so if everybody has access to a Laker game or a Warriors game or a Giants game, then what difference is it? But if we're going to the World Series, then sure, let's talk about it.”“Fight for your team because they'll fight for you…Bring the right people in and set them up for success. This is a very collaborative position and you have to work with a lot of different people, but ultimately I think if you bring the right people in and you set them up properly, [and] you fight for them with the rest of the organization on what we can do and what we can't do, it typically will work in your favor.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksLeukemia and Lymphoma SocietyFollow Ian on TwitterOkta.com
44:5116/03/2021
A 4-time Tech CMO’s Secrets to Integrated Demand Gen with Lynne Capozzi, CMO of Acquia

A 4-time Tech CMO’s Secrets to Integrated Demand Gen with Lynne Capozzi, CMO of Acquia

This episode features an interview with Lynne Capozzi, CMO of Acquia, the leading cloud platform for building, delivering, and optimizing digital experiences.Lynne is a multiple-time tech CMO who first served as Acquia’s CMO in 2008, before leaving in 2011 to pursue nonprofit work full-time. She returned to Acquia in late 2016 to lead the marketing organization into its next stage of growth.On this episode, Lynne explains why demand gen always needs to be an integrated strategy, how to create a great website experience, why it’s so hard to do personalization well, and why the next phase of the industry is moving from marketing operations to revenue operations.Key TakeawaysIntegrated campaigns always work the best for demand genYou should be evaluating and re-platforming your website every 18 monthsIntent data is the next opportunity for marketersQuotes“What we do for demand gen is all about integrated campaigns. The one thing I know about demand gen is that it's never a one-and-done type of task. Demand gen is very much an integrated strategy…it’s everything that falls under that roof to generate demand–it's multitouch, it's nurturing campaigns, it’s all about using the right tools…and so much of it is based on data and data analytics.”“I re-platform every 18 months or so. That's the recommendation that I give to people. If you haven't [done] an evaluation of your website in the past two years, it's time to do it…A lot now is based on design. Do you have a modern, sleek design on your site? That's really important because that level of Netflix and Apple–that's kind of the experience that everybody is expecting now. So you need to make sure that your site is reflective of your brand, reflective of your messaging, and really have it be a great experience for customers.”“I think there's a lot more to be done using intent data and using AI and machine learning…As marketers, I think we’ve got a lot of opportunity if we can look at intent data--looking at intent data and not waiting, but seeing where people are raising their hands and where the interest already is…to help you figure out what's the next action to take or the next market to go after.”“We’ve spent the past couple of years in our industry in marketing gathering the data–now what? I want people that can help make the determination of what happens next and how do you use that data. And now I'm finding some really great marketing folks who are geared towards that. So we're moving from marketing operations to revenue operations, which is really the bottom line.”“I think conversational marketing is critical. We're using it a lot right now…we use it to really drive our leads. And I expect that to continue even more in the future.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
38:0109/03/2021
Achieving a $4.5B Valuation Through Product-Led Growth with Marie Gassée, VP of Growth at Confluent

Achieving a $4.5B Valuation Through Product-Led Growth with Marie Gassée, VP of Growth at Confluent

This episode features an interview with Marie Gassée, Vice President of Growth at Confluent, the enterprise event streaming platform provider that garnered a $4.5B valuation last year. Prior to Confluent, Marie served as Senior Director and General Manager of the Online Sales Business Unit at Box, and she holds an MBA from Stanford Graduate School of Business.On this episode, Marie discusses the heavily data-driven nature of her role, the product-led growth model that she embraces to maximize revenue and ROI, and the leadership philosophies she uses to trust and empower her teams.Key TakeawaysSEO and SEM can be some of the lowest hanging fruit and some of the highest leverage tactics in your arsenal. Even small changes can make a meaningful impact on your businessData data data. If you’re a data-driven organization, partner closely with your analytics folks or your data science team, and you can also see additional benefit from hiring marketers with a level of analytics proficiencyHire great people that you trust, then open the purse strings and advocate for themQuotes“I'm really into the product led growth model...we focus on acquiring folks into the product, getting them onboarded, getting them active…Really trying to view it as kind of a pipeline mechanism. If I do my job well, I have a bunch of small teams active in the product, not spending a ton of money, but getting value from the product. And then we focus on handing that off to sales in a thoughtful way where they can add value and they can think about having a longer term relationship with Confluent.”“The way I approach things is really to build a super strong partnership with our analytics folks, and then do everything in my power to unblock them--to give them budget, to help them hire, to give them head count…Ultimately I'm just going to sign the check for whatever my team says is good. That's my mentality: hire great people that you trust, and then if they say they need something, my job is to open the purse strings and advocate.”“I think a lot of marketers maybe aren't as close to their data scientists or their analytics partners. For me, the quantitative part of marketing is what my job is, and so we certainly can't do that without our data science counterparts. The other thing I'll say is just a level of analytics proficiency for everyone on my team. That's another way to partner really well, is just making sure we hire folks who can self-serve a lot of their data, who can do high-level analyses, who value our data scientists and who love partnering with them. That's a big part of how we structure our team.”“On the web optimization side, I enjoy it because it's like a puzzle…It's such a fun tactic, but also crazy impactful. You can make changes to your CTA or to the look and feel of a page and have meaningful downstream impact on your business. Not just in B2C, very much in B2B as well. I find that to be such an impactful, but also a satisfying tactic. You can do an AB test and meaningfully change the direction of your company. That's so insane and should be fully exploited.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksTop 24 CMOs Share Their Uncuttable Budget Items
41:3702/03/2021
How to Fuel Multi-Segment Demand with Esther Flammer, VP of Demand Generation at Conga

How to Fuel Multi-Segment Demand with Esther Flammer, VP of Demand Generation at Conga

This episode features an interview with Esther Flammer, Vice President of Demand Generation  and acting CMO of Conga.Esther is a senior marketing executive with nearly 20 years of B2B and agency experience in SaaS, high-tech, and non-profit sectors. Her dynamic leadership has driven success at high-growth B2B technology companies like Conga, Convercent, and Return Path.On this episode, Esther discusses the balance between the art and science of marketing, what B2B can learn from B2C, and the different motions that fuel high-transaction, high-volume inbound pipeline versus the targeted ABM strategies that drive complex, enterprise-level deals.Key TakeawaysMarketing is a delicate balance of art and science, but in demand gen, you’re going to need a lot of data to back up the strategies you employ for generating the pipeline needed to meet the company’s goals.If you sell to SMB and Enterprise, high-velocity, high-transaction deals are going to be very different than complex, enterprise-level deals. Make sure you have distinct go-to-market strategies for each segment and that you’re fueling both engines, but that you also understand the overlap between the two.In-person events are on hold, but virtual events are still a strong tactic. The reach is much larger but you have to be much more focused, purposeful, and intentional about the content to keep audiences engaged.Quotes“We see so much ROI and a lot of the bigger deals and true qualified pipeline coming from [our ABM efforts]. It’s a very multichannel, targeted effort, starting with the technology that provides propensity to buy data…really defining what those target accounts look like, adding in targeted advertising so that we can warm them up and truly personalize…then ensuring that we're delivering the right message to the right person at the right time, that it's personal, that it's relevant and it’s aligned with where they are in their buyer's journey.”“We were invited to be on a pilot to try out Qualified.com on Salesforce AppExchange…and it's been a game changer completely. We've always had high volumes from AppExchange and from each of our product listings, but we were able to see much higher conversions, more qualified conversations and true pipeline come from that. So we’re huge fans.”“Because of the fact that we don't really have live events where you would typically see conversations happening at a booth, [conversational marketing] has been a great addition to our full demand gen strategy and the tactics and channels that we're utilizing.”“I think there's a lot that B2B can learn from B2C–tech and data analysis and neuromarketing and things like that. B2B tech is, I feel like, just starting to do that in a sense, but there's a lot that we can do to actually provide really relevant content to people who are looking to purchase.”“I feel like when you're in demand generation, there's kind of always a target on your back just because you are accountable for the pipeline that the business needs to close in order to hit the bookings goals. Demand generation in most cases is front and center: What are you doing? What is your strategy? How are you producing more pipeline? ...Everything is very much kind of that art and science of marketing…So we use a lot of data and science to figure out how much pipeline we need, and for me, our goal of the demand gen team is predictable pipeline. We put a lot of effort into trying to figure out how much pipeline do we need to create in this quarter in order to hit our goals, both this quarter as well as next quarter and beyond.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksCheck out Conga's Agents of Change Podcast 
41:3616/02/2021
Marrying Creativity and Data to Become a $51B Business with Rachel Thornton, VP of Global Marketing for Amazon Web Services

Marrying Creativity and Data to Become a $51B Business with Rachel Thornton, VP of Global Marketing for Amazon Web Services

This episode features an interview with Rachel Thornton, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Amazon Web Services, the comprehensive cloud computing platform that powers hundreds of thousands of businesses in 190 countries around the world, and is on track to surpass $51B in revenue in 2021.Rachel is a true Demand Gen Rockstar, having been hailed in the press as “Captain of the B2B Marketing Dream Team.” She joined Amazon in 2013, serving as Head of Amazon Student and then Vice President of Global Field and Partner Marketing for AWS before her promotion to her current role in January 2020. Prior to Amazon, she served as VP of Marketing for the US, Canada, and Latin America at Salesforce. On this episode, Rachel details the demand gen strategy that powers the dominant player in the cloud computing space, and shares the intricacies of the most important leadership principles that fuel successful marketing teams, from customer obsession, to diving deep, to thinking big, and much more. Key TakeawaysBe customer-obsessed. Start from the customer’s point of view and work backwards. What is your customer trying to do from a business outcome perspective? What are they trying to achieve? Knowing that helps you write a great marketing / demand gen planThink Big. In marketing, it’s critically important to give teams the freedom to really use their imaginations and get creative with new ideas Disagree and commit. For any new service, product, marketing idea, campaign, demand gen strategy, etc., it's critical to have an in-depth discussion and encourage disagreement. But at the end of the meeting, if the decision is made to go forward, then everyone must commit to making it work. Quotes“From a demand gen perspective, one of the most important leadership principles is customer obsession…When we think about our demand gen strategy and any new program or new campaign that we want to put together, we start from the customer and work backwards. I think that's probably what really helps us develop great demand gen and marketing programs.”“The best way to figure out how you're doing from a measurement perspective is go into the campaign or the demand gen program with a clear set of objectives and outputs that you're looking to get…When we're developing campaigns, we always set up what do we want the impact of this to be? How do we want to define that? And How do we want to measure it?”“Marketing is the beautiful marriage of not only creativity, but understanding data and doing a lot of data analysis. Because you want to make sure that whatever big idea you come up with–how do you test it? How do you refine it? And then how do you understand its impact? So that if you really love it, you can replicate it.”“[My advice would be to] ask a lot of questions. Sometimes I think people don't want to ask questions. They're afraid, like ‘oh, I should know this.’ I'm a big believer: Ask the questions because there are probably other people sitting there thinking of the same question you are. Ask a lot of questions, really dive deep…I just think it helps you be so much more effective and efficient.” SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
38:4509/02/2021
The Uncommon Art of Creating B2B Brand Champions and Super Bowl Ads with Joanie Wang, Director of Marketing at Expensify

The Uncommon Art of Creating B2B Brand Champions and Super Bowl Ads with Joanie Wang, Director of Marketing at Expensify

This episode features an interview with Joanie Wang, Director of Marketing at ExpensifySince joining in 2014, Joanie has helped grow Expensify into the most recognizable expense management platform in the space, spearheading the launch of some of the company’s biggest marketing initiatives. She has been named one of the Top Women Leaders in SaaS and one of the accounting industry’s Top 20 Influencers under 40. On this episode, Joanie discusses how Expensify’s relentless focus on end-user experience turns customers into devoted champions of the product, how they work to cultivate a positive brand experience in every consumer interaction, and the process of launching their massively successful Super Bowl ad campaign.Key TakeawaysIn the enterprise space, focusing on the experience of the end-user of your product–not just the buyer or the administrator–is key to creating true brand champions.Successful word of mouth marketing comes from cultivating brand champions and curating a positive experience in every interaction you have with current and potential customers. It’s not just the product you’re selling, but the community, the experience and the environment.Marketers need to understand the shift that’s occurring as Millennials and Gen Z become a larger component of the workforce. They’re savvy consumers and they will be the ones to possibly make or break your business in the long term.Quotes“We've been very end-user centric in how we build out our product and who our ultimate consumers are. There are a lot of similar apps out there that focus on the person buying the software, not necessarily the person using it. What we realized is that when you focus on the end-user experience…they really become huge champions of your product.”“At the heart of it, demand gen at Expensify is essentially a partnership between marketing, business development, and sales. We focus our efforts on entering and growing new markets by accelerating our word of mouth business model. It's been the heart and soul of our business since day one, and it's something that's been really effective for us in terms of how we've grown.”“We focus a lot on creating experiences–whether that's at trade shows, in product, etc–creating experiences that are memorable and everlasting so that people not only believe in your product and love it, but become champions of it.”“I recognize that brand is sometimes the opposite of demand gen, but I do think that it is a very important factor–at least from a top of funnel perspective–to stir interest and to create that initial awareness about our product…This idea of creating experience…is really setting the foundation for a lot of the demand gen work that we'll do later on. Anytime you come across Expensify, we focus on making sure…that everything that you come across is a positive experience.”“We picked the Super Bowl because we knew that it was a moment in culture that everyone is paying attention to. In terms of meeting the audience where they are, that was kind of our moment. Everyone's paying attention. In fact, people are always on the lookout for commercials…We wanted a super large audience who is receptive to this kind of brand play, this sort of this messaging, and we wanted to meet them where they are.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. 
44:3502/02/2021
All In: A Year of Rocketship Growth with Matterport CMO Robin Daniels

All In: A Year of Rocketship Growth with Matterport CMO Robin Daniels

This episode features an interview with Robin Daniels, CMO of Matterport. Robin has built an impressive two-decade career at industry-defining tech companies across the US and Europe, previously serving as CMO of WeWork and in leadership positions at LinkedIn, Salesforce, and Box. He joined Matterport in early 2020 to lead worldwide marketing strategy at a time of rapid growth for the company. On this episode, Robin shares how his “go all in or don’t go at all” mindset helped lead Matterport to rocketship growth in 2020 and which strategies, channels, and tactics he’s doubling down on for 2021.Key TakeawaysWhen it comes to campaigns and launches, go all in or don’t go at all. Going halfway is a recipe for regretNobody can tell the story of what’s possible with a product better than your customers. Invest in figuring out the right stories and promoting them across the right channelsRemember that a marketing career is supposed to be fun! It’s not always going to be easy, but it should always be an adventure.Quotes“I'm very much of the mindset that if you're going to do something, you go all in or you don't go at all. I'm not a big fan of half-assing campaigns or launches. I've done a few in my career, and I always regret it.”“Customer stories is something I've been trying to invest in heavily…Nobody tells a story of what's possible with Matterport better than our customers. Investing in figuring out the right customer stories, promoting them across all our different channels, getting them into the press, getting them into media is really, really important for us, but it takes investment.”“The website for us is so key, and we've put a lot of effort into it…To me, the website is where it all starts. This is the first impression that anybody's going to get. Especially with something like Matterport, the first thing you see has to be so appealing that you want to know more”“One of my pieces of advice to people who want to come into a new role or want to be a CMO: Don’t reuse the old playbook. You’ve got to try new things…Experiment like crazy. It’s great if you have some learnings and some ideas of what you want to do. But if you have a playbook, honestly, it’s probably outdated already. Try new platforms, try new messaging. Test, measure, learn, improve, that’s the way forward.”“I have an opportunity here to really change the storytelling game and the demand game, because we can show up in ways on these platforms–through our visual storytelling–that no other platform can. In other companies, it’s always ‘imagine this.’ I don't have to imagine with Matterport, I just show. I always want to show the product.” SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksFollow Ian on TwitterFollow Robin on Twitter
54:0926/01/2021
ROI of Everything: The Playbook of a 4-time Tech CMO with Grant Johnson, CMO of Emburse

ROI of Everything: The Playbook of a 4-time Tech CMO with Grant Johnson, CMO of Emburse

This episode features an interview with Grant Johnson, CMO of Emburse. Grant is a four-time tech CMO with 20+ years of success in scaling marketing operations and building profitable global businesses. He was brought in last year to lead the group of six travel and expense management software vendors that came together as Emburse to challenge the industry incumbent. On this episode, Grant discusses his holistic view of marketing, encompassing the four key levers and how they work together in an integrated marketing framework, as well as why the best strategies are customer-focused, how to be adaptable in applying your playbook, and much more. Key TakeawaysTemplates, tools, and playbooks are great frameworks to start from, but they’re not the actual roadmap. Keep an open mind and be willing to adapt your playbook as circumstances change.Closed-won is the key metric. Marketing’s mindset has to be that volume of leads and MQLs don’t matter if sales doesn’t make the quarter.The best practices and strategies are customer-focused. You’re more likely to be successful if you understand the pain points and personas and align content and communications to the buyer's journey. Quotes"My philosophy is the ROI of everything. If you can't project what a return is, I'm not spending that dollar…Pre-COVID, I cut between a half million and a million dollars out of events because they were harder to measure and they didn't prove to deliver the ROI. When COVID hit and I put the brakes on in-person events, it took me about five seconds to redeploy those dollars into digital channels.""I tend to look at marketing very holistically. I don't think I can talk about demand gen without talking about what I consider the four primary levers, all working together to help demand gen work optimally. The levers are brand, communications, product marketing, and demand gen, and they really should ideally be part of an integrated marketing framework…those are the levers that really drive a company's positioning, opportunity, and ultimately its success.""For me, the best practices and strategies start with a customer focus…As a head of marketing, that's where I've had the most success. What I consider the foundational work is if we understand the pain points, the buyer personas, and we align our content and our communications to the buyer's journey, we're more likely to engage successfully, create opportunities, nurture and progress those opportunities, and win that business.""We have a high level of complexity because of our tailored solutions; my team is not creating holistic demand, we're creating specific demand…so we really have to understand a day in their life, what their watering holes are, what they're going to respond to…Is the value proposition resonating? Is the messaging resonating? By taking that very customer-centric, persona-specific approach, we’ve found that our demand gen tactics have worked better." SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
43:1819/01/2021
Scaling Audience Engagement for the Fortune 500 with Leela Srinivasan, CMO of SurveyMonkey

Scaling Audience Engagement for the Fortune 500 with Leela Srinivasan, CMO of SurveyMonkey

Check out this open Demand Gen Leadership role at SurveyMonkey!This episode features an interview with Leela Srinivasan, CMO of SurveyMonkey. Leela joined SurveyMonkey in April 2018 to lead all marketing functions including brand strategy, growth marketing, product marketing, and communications. Previously, she served as Chief Marketing Officer at Lever, VP of Marketing at OpenTable, and Director of Marketing at LinkedIn. On this episode, Leela dives deep into the key components of her strategy, including how to truly understand and add value for your prospects, put your customers at the forefront of your marketing, optimize your channels and tactics, build community, and much more.Key TakeawaysKnow your prospect as well as you possibly can, and focus on how you can add value for themNothing can convince your future customers as well as the success stories of your current customers. Identify the customers you have who can best influence your prospects, and find ways to put them in the spotlight.Experiment, optimize, and measure. You have to be experimenting with different channels and approaches all the time. Double down on the things that are working, while still trying to find the next set of channels or tactics that are going to take you to the next level. Key Quotes“We live in such a noisy world, and your prospects are being pinged left and right with messages and offers and opportunities from all of your competitors. So to have the right strategy, you have to understand what you can uniquely bring in terms of value to that prospect conversation.”“Something that has been a mainstay of my demand gen strategy across companies is identifying the customers that you have who will influence your next customers, and then finding ways to put them in the spotlight, because nothing will convince the next set of customers like your current customers and the success that they are seeing with your solutions.”“Experiment, optimize, and measure. I think about demand gen as a portfolio of approaches or tactics, and they're often at different stages of maturation. For the most mature ones, you are scaling and optimizing those, but in the interest of having value to add to your customer and reaching them in different ways, you have to be experimenting with different channels and different approaches at all times. You're constantly doubling down on things that are working while trying to find the next set of channels or tactics that are going to take you to the next level.”“How do you add value to your prospect? What can you share with them that will be of insight to them? have that be the central meat of your campaign, and then figure out how to leverage that across as many viable channels as possible.”“On NPS, I see a lot of companies that are measuring it, but the question is, what do you do with that? And do you understand the why? That's the big gap that I see sometimes is the failure to really understand the root causes of an NPS score and then put an action plan in place and charge after it, because it’s not a vanity metric. We shouldn't be navel gazing, we should be acting on what we learn.” SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksOpen Demand Gen Leadership Role at SurveyMonkeyFollow Ian on TwitterFollow Leela on TwitterSurveyMonkey Future of Work Resources
44:1612/01/2021
The Demand Gen Strategy for a $4B+ FinTech Disruptor with Vidya Peters, CMO of Marqeta

The Demand Gen Strategy for a $4B+ FinTech Disruptor with Vidya Peters, CMO of Marqeta

This episode features an interview with Vidya Peters, CMO of Marqeta. Vidya is widely recognized as one of the top leaders in Financial Technology, and joined Marqeta in 2019 after previously serving as CMO of MuleSoft, which she helped scale into one of the most successful and fastest growing public enterprise software companies. On this episode, Vidya discusses the most important elements of setting your strategy for the year, how to keep up with the rapidly changing MarTech landscape, the key elements of her tech stack that she couldn’t live without, and much more.Key TakeawaysThe most important part of setting strategy for the year is doing so in close partnership with your sales team. Name the targets that are must-wins for the year and talk openly about the personas that you think would be the most engaged in looking at your solution. As a marketer, you have to bring hard numbers to the discussion. The burden is on you to arm yourself with data and information so you can have the right conversations with your partners.Forget everything you learned in school or business school about demand generation. Even the things you may have learned a year or two ago are probably out of date. The space is evolving so quickly that the best way to learn is to talk to your peers in demand gen leadership.Quotes“The reality is when you go out and try to put your strategy to work in the market, you realize that every bullet, sub-bullet, and tiny little word in your plan can take months to execute and actually even longer to execute successfully…there's a very large crevasse between thinking about the answer and actually operationalizing the answer and making it successful.”“Sometimes we make this huge mistake of saying, all right, I'm going to go bid on Google AdWords and put up a ton of money and then I'll feed those leads to the sales organization. Then what you often hear back is all of those leads were low quality. What's important is to start with the strategy first and then know that all the channels and all the technologies that you have in your arsenal are in service to that strategy.”“Our goal here is to have the closest partnership with sales on the strategy up front, determine the right channels to reach those accounts–whether that's through targeted events, digital channels or a content strategy–and be the domain leader for the keywords and the topics that we care the most about.”“I'm a big proponent of really leading with content and thought leadership to earn the right to be able to have a conversation with your prospects. It's less about pushing messages and ads, and more about answering customer questions and being helpful to them and earning the right to speak to them.”“You still have to put money in Google AdWords and you still have to own and absolutely dominate the keywords in your category and your space. It’s about shoring up the moat.  If someone were to cut my Google AdWords, I would say we just lost our competitive moat and it can take a long time to earn that back.”“Technology is changing so fast in software, and so much is changing so quickly, that marketing has a responsibility to not only keep up with those changes, but to be an educator and a trusted informer to the market, because unless your buyers understand this quickly changing space, they're not going to be equipped to make purchase decisions with the right information.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
42:0505/01/2021
Part 2: Top 24 CMOs Share Their Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items

Part 2: Top 24 CMOs Share Their Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items

Find all the information online at www.qualified.com/podcast/uncuttableEvery week, we sit down with marketing leaders from some of the world’s fastest-growing companies on the Demand Gen Visionaries podcast to uncover the demand gen strategies that have been fundamental to their skyrocketing success.  In each episode, we ask our marketing leader guests which three areas of investment are most important to their demand gen initiatives. Tune into this two-part mini series to hear the budget items our CMO guests couldn’t live without!Part two of the special two-part mini-series features 12 CMOs and marketing leaders from some of the world's fastest-growing companies, including:Melton Littlepage, SVP Marketing, TenableChandar Pattabhiram, CMO, CoupaUdi Legergor, CMO, GongHeidi Melin, CMO, WorkfrontJamie Grenney, CMO, OwnBackupAdam Blitzer, EVP & GM of Digital, SalesforceMichael King, Sr. Director of Cloud Marketing, VMwareLauren Vaccarello, CMO, TalendJen Dimas, CMO, GigsterKyle Christensen, VP Marketing, ZuoraSuku Krishnaraj Chettiar, CMO, Sumo Logic‍Sarah Kennedy, VP of Global Growth & Demand, Google CloudSponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
44:2116/12/2020
Part 1: Top 24 CMOs Share Their Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items

Part 1: Top 24 CMOs Share Their Uncuttable Demand Gen Budget Items

Find all the information online at www.qualified.com/podcast/uncuttableEvery week, we sit down with marketing leaders from some of the world’s fastest-growing companies on the Demand Gen Visionaries podcast to uncover the demand gen strategies that have been fundamental to their skyrocketing success. In each episode, we ask our marketing leader guests which three areas of investment are most important to their demand gen initiatives. Tune into this two-part mini series to hear the budget items our CMO guests couldn’t live without!Part one of this special two-part mini-series features 11 CMOs and marketing leaders from some of the world's fastest-growing companies, including:Scott Holden, CMO, ThoughtspotSara Varni, CMO, TwilioNate Skinner, SVP Global Marketing for CX, OracleCorinne Sklar, CMO, IBM iXRyan Bonnici, former CMO, G2Mike Marcellin, CMO, Juniper NetworksTracy Eiler, former CMO, InsideViewLatane Conant, CMO, 6senseTom Butta, CMO, KyribaJulie Liegl, CMO, Slack‍Dave King, CMO, AsanaSponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
44:5716/12/2020
Google Cloud & Google Workspace: Building a Demand Gen Powerhouse for a $13B Division with 6M+ Customers with Sarah Kennedy, VP of Global Demand and Growth at Google Cloud

Google Cloud & Google Workspace: Building a Demand Gen Powerhouse for a $13B Division with 6M+ Customers with Sarah Kennedy, VP of Global Demand and Growth at Google Cloud

This episode features an interview with Sarah Kennedy, Vice President of Global Growth and Demand at Google Cloud. Prior to Google, Sarah led multiple marketing transformations as CMO of Marketo and as CMO for the enterprise software divisions at Adobe and Sabre. On this episode, Sarah discusses the marketing efficiencies and ROI drivers she’s anchored her career around, how to navigate the macro mindset shift that every marketing team goes through, and why being a career catalyst for your customers is the most rewarding impact a B2B marketer can have.Key TakeawaysHow every marketing team must undergo a macro mindset shift in order to embrace that every dollar and every minute spent must either directly or indirectly drive demand and growth for the business.Why your primary goal as a marketer is to be a career catalyst for your customer. The biggest reward of any B2B marketer’s career is to see somebody get promoted or get their next job because of the decision they made to bet on you. How to align with sales counterparts on a deep, strategic level that establishes a balanced engine that efficiently drives scale and growth.Quotes“All of your investments drive demand. [It’s important not to] view brand as one thing and demand as another. They all interplay with one another to drive growth. That's been part of the mindset shift that I've been driving really my last five years, including now at Google.”“Every interaction, every second that you consume of someone's attention, you have to quantify the value of what you're bringing. Minutes are precious, so you’ve got to think about the trade-offs [your audience is] making. It's different this year than ever before and that makes the bar even higher. It always should have been this high, but I think this year we're actually seeing that come to fruition and I like that. I think that's great for all marketers and every customer we serve.”“Being a career catalyst for a customer is one thing that I always say is my primary goal. If we see them get promoted or we see somebody get that next job because of the decision they made to bet on us, that's the reward of any marketer's career. It’s the biggest reward–that you can walk away from a career and look back and say, wow, I really impacted hundreds of people's livelihoods by making sure that I clearly communicated to them the value of our partnership and I delivered on it. For me, it’s a motivating way to look at the career of a B2B marketer.”Whatever you do, start with your first priority being your relationship with sales…I have found that no matter how much investment, energy, creative tactics, whatever you have, if you have not aligned with your sales counterparts on what the true objectives are and co-signed up for any targets that you're going to hit together, it really doesn't matter what you do. If you aren't already doing that, that's where you begin and end, because that relationship and accountability and alignment is the foundation for all success.Our job is to be career catalysts for our customers, but our second but equally important objective is to be comma catalysts for our quota carriers. All I want to do is put M's in their bank account every day of the week and if I do that, I've succeeded. Having that mindset that we're responsible for their livelihood is the right approach mentally as a marketer, because that makes you focus on the right things and make better decisions that also end up better serving your customers.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
47:0209/12/2020
Journey to IPO: Driving Revenue for a Fast-Growing Big Data Pioneer with Suku Krishnaraj, CMO of Sumo Logic

Journey to IPO: Driving Revenue for a Fast-Growing Big Data Pioneer with Suku Krishnaraj, CMO of Sumo Logic

This episode features an interview with Suku Krishnaraj, CMO of Sumo Logic. Suku is a seasoned senior executive with extensive experience scaling growth at companies like AppFog, HP, CenturyLink, and SolarWinds. On this episode, Suku explains his strategy for driving revenue for the Machine Data Analytics pioneer that went public earlier this year, why the CMO’s primary job is to solve problems, how to never lose sight of marketing’s role in driving revenue, and the importance of having empathy for your customers.Key TakeawaysThe CMO’s job is to drive revenue. Never lose sight of that fact. Keep your eyes on the ball and don't get caught up in vanity metricsBuyers are all at a different stage. You have to educate and nurture them through their journey by looking at the entire customer life cycle. That means a complete end-to-end mapping that bridges your sales and marketing teamsHave empathy for your customers. Think of the buyer’s journey, and try and fix their experience with consistent messaging and a consistent experience, and your results will be there in the long runQuotes“The CMO’s job at the end of the day is to solve problems…Demand gen is one of those things, but I really think of my role as growth. I partner with the CRO and our chief customer officer to drive growth in respect to two things: How do we acquire net new logos–net new customers at scale–and how do we continue to market to our existing install base.”“Marketing is, if not to drive revenue, I don't know what it is. Ultimately it's about closed-won revenue.”“I think one of the things that a lot of marketers miss is that ultimately the folks that are going to win understand how to drive empathy, emotions, and have a lot of care for the folks that you're trying to market to. What is it that they want? You're going to win if you deeply understand what they care about, what they do, and if you show a lot of empathy.”“Our job as CMOs is to drive revenue. Never lose sight of that fact. Don't go for vanity metrics. Keep your eyes on the ball with revenue, which is the hardest thing to do for a lot of CMOs, but do that with the help of your counterpart in sales.”“For any playbook, you have to adapt it to your situation. And the only way to do that is fail often, fail fast. I have several weekly meetings with different groups in the team and they know they have to give me bad news at the beginning. If they're not failing, it's a red flag for me.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
44:1501/12/2020
How to Use Storytelling to Drive Unprecedented Market Demand with Kyle Christensen, VP of Marketing at Zuora

How to Use Storytelling to Drive Unprecedented Market Demand with Kyle Christensen, VP of Marketing at Zuora

This episode features an interview with Kyle Christensen, VP of Marketing at Zuora. Prior to Zuora, Kyle served as CMO of 6Sense, SVP of Marketing at Invoca, and VP of Marketing at Responsys, where he drove the growth of the enterprise business up until the company's $1.5B acquisition by Oracle. On this episode, Kyle shares his demand gen master plan that starts with a marketing strategy that permeates the entire company and explains why the best brand storytelling attaches you to a narrative of overarching change much larger than the company itself.Key TakeawaysHow to create a compelling, tactical content strategy that elevates a targeted, account-based approachWhy you must treat content marketing as a virtuous cycle. By helping your customers succeed and learn from their experiences, you can turn learnings into better roadmaps for the next customerHow to frame a great company pitch by thinking bigger than your product, your tech, or your business value, and attaching yourself to a narrative of change that’s bigger than your company on its ownQuotes“In order to do really great demand, you need to start with a compelling underlying story. Without that, no amount of landing page optimization or keyword spending strategy is going to work. The content and the message are really what drives things.”“The way we think about it, this isn't just a marketing strategy, it's a company strategy. And it’s a completely virtuous cycle. The reason to go with us is that we have better data, better insights, and a better product, and we will guide you all the way through to implementation. Then we get access to better data, we find better ways to make our customers successful, and it feeds back into the top of the funnel. We translate that into learnings, content, and assets, and the cycle repeats itself and grows over time.”“I think the essence of a good pitch is…what is the overarching change that's occurring in the market–in the world that you're operating–that gives your company a reason for being. The inevitable change that is happening whether or not you exist as a company. I think the best storytelling companies and the best pitch companies start there.”“Don't evangelize why you have a really fantastic web-based contact management application (i.e. Salesforce), evangelize that there's a massive sea change somewhere in the world…If you really want disproportionate attention from the market and to attract the right talent, the most eyeballs, the most interest from the media and the press, you need to attach yourself to a larger narrative.”“You can't do superficial content, because it’s not interesting. There's so much competition out there now for mindshare and time that you have to invest. You’ve got to have the right people, the right data, and the right narrative that you want to attach yourself to. It's not enough to put out listicles and things like that to drive conversation.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
44:1817/11/2020
Cultivating an Innovative Marketing Strategy for the Digital-First World with Jen Dimas, CMO of Gigster

Cultivating an Innovative Marketing Strategy for the Digital-First World with Jen Dimas, CMO of Gigster

This episode features an interview with Jen Dimas, CMO of GigsterFor more than 20 years, Jen has led marketing teams at high-growth enterprise software companies like Plex, Demandbase, Egnyte, Polycom, and Hyperion.In this episode, Jen dives into the ever-changing landscape of demand gen strategy, highlighting the importance of understanding and adapting to the needs of the moment. She also emphasizes the importance of a tight partnership between sales and marketing and explains how to go about cultivating it.Key TakeawaysWhich tactics and technologies are best for empowering digital-first, adaptable marketing teamsHow to align sales and marketing teams across performance, strategies, and goal settingWhy measuring everything from first touch to close is essential to marketing’s successQuotes“As in all things marketing, ‘it depends’ is always the answer. There's not a demand gen strategy that is consistently applied that would make any sense. You have to understand your situation and adapt to whatever the needs are and the resources available in that moment.”“I need to partner tightly with sales. I just don't believe that sales and marketing exist as separate functions from each other. They're all connected and a part of driving customer value and bookings and revenue...That relationship with the head of sales, next to my relationship with my boss, is my most primary relationship at work. It's something that has to be strong so that we're doing the best job we can for the company.”“You need to have enough trust in the relationship of the executive team that you can have healthy conflict. That is the goal of having a healthy executive team. When there is conflict, I always consider it a sign of health, as long as it's respectful conflict and you're saying things in the best interest of the business, even things that are hard, that's the goal, right? You want to have a conversation where you can say hard things.”“Your website is your always-on front door, and that needs to reflect your corporate positioning–what is your value to prospects and customers–but it also needs to engage folks from a demand perspective and speak to investors and potential employees, so it’s very, very important.”“Do not try to make decisions about change in a vacuum. Leverage your community. Talk to marketers who've made the same kinds of decisions or faced the same challenges. Talk to salespeople who have struggled. Leverage people with experience because they're out there, and there's no need to reinvent things that have worked and a lot can be learned from other people's successes and mistakes.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
41:5110/11/2020
The Demand Gen Playbook of One of the Top 50 Women in Revenue, Lauren Vaccarello, CMO of Talend ($TLND)

The Demand Gen Playbook of One of the Top 50 Women in Revenue, Lauren Vaccarello, CMO of Talend ($TLND)

This episode features an interview with Lauren Vaccarello, CMO of Talend.Lauren is an award-winning marketing executive with a track record of accelerating revenue growth for some of the fastest-growing SaaS companies in Silicon Valley including Box, AdRoll, and Salesforce.On this episode, Lauren talks about how to hit your numbers in the short term while working to expand the scope of who you’re selling to in the long term. She also discusses how to leverage your executive team to build brand trust, and shares a couple uncuttable budget items that may surprise you...Key TakeawaysThink of demand gen and marketing in both the short term and long term. How are you going to hit your numbers while also expanding the scope of who you’re selling to.Demand gen must start with defining who you are, why you matter, and who you’re selling to, then you can determine how you’re going to execute.With large enterprise deals, it's about emotional connection as much as it's about your product and your messaging.Invest in the backend and the “unsexy” things like tech infrastructure, because they’ll make everything else you do easier and faster.Quotes“Investing in things like executive programs, executive engagement, and building deeper relationships with senior level executives at your target audience is the gift that keeps on giving. You’ll hit your numbers today, and the more they see you as a strategic partner, the more your deal size is going to grow.”“Every CMO who comes in has to get points on the board quickly. The shine wears off our penny probably faster than any other function. You have to show momentum, and I find getting those short term wins buys you time to get long term wins as well.”“What's going to make or break every single demand gen person in the foreseeable future is your ability to be agile and adapt. If you can't move quickly, you're dead in the water. The world is moving too fast...So invest in the backend, invest in the unsexy things that no one sees or understands why you're doing it, because it's those backend, unsexy, tech infrastructure things that make everything else you do faster and easier.”“Our job as leaders is to remove every blocker and every obstacle and to give the people that work for us the ability to be creative.”“Because what we do is so visible, every single person in your company will have an opinion about what you do. And you have to listen to every single person and you have to have thick enough skin to not take it personally.”“I won't cut PR. I cannot ascribe a dollar return to my PR program, but what I've seen in the past is the anecdotal qualitative that just proves that it works...I've seen it enough times-–you're going to get better candidates, better employees, faster velocity, and your inbound interest and brand awareness just start to tick up.”LinksTruth Be Known Podcastwww.talend.comSponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
52:5003/11/2020
Digital Marketing Strategies that Fuel a $64 Billion Software Giant with Michael King, Sr. Director of Cloud Marketing at VMware

Digital Marketing Strategies that Fuel a $64 Billion Software Giant with Michael King, Sr. Director of Cloud Marketing at VMware

This episode features an interview with Michael King, Senior Director of Cloud Marketing at VMware.Inside the $64 billion cloud computing and virtualization software giant, Michael is responsible for the VMware Cloud Marketing team and is tasked with transforming the customer perception of VMware’s cloud services and products.On this episode, Michael expands on the demand gen strategy that he calls “the relentless pursuit of whatever works,” illustrates his audience-action-measurement playbook, discusses the importance of a consistent customer experience, and explains why your channels must reflect your audience.Key TakeawaysHow the seismic shift away from “broadcast” marketing tactics is ushering in a new wave of conversational marketing tactics that are generating massive ROIWhy marketing’s fundamental measure of success should be revenue-based, and how to make this transition in your organizationWays the most successful demand gen marketers are pushing the envelope to eliminate friction in the buying process and speed up sales cyclesQuotes“Demand gen strategy at VMware is the relentless pursuit of whatever works. I tend not to be dogmatic about these things. I work with a team that is always challenging me, always pushing me to think differently.”“No matter what, things are always changing. You may come at it thinking, ‘I know the audience, I know the market, I know the benefits, here's the play I'm going to run.’ But things change…Anytime you go into any demand gen or any other marketing situation thinking that you have it cooked, you're probably cooked.”“The longer the time frame is from hand-raising activity to benefit achievement, the fewer customers you're going to convert, and then you'll just see leaky funnel left and right...reduction in speed is what kills all good demand gen programs.”“There's a lot of things that you can measure…but when it comes down to it, marketing, I feel, should measure itself on one thing and one thing only: revenue through the door.“As marketers, as product people, we spend 10, 12, sometimes 20 hours a day thinking about our product. The average customer spends 20 minutes a quarter thinking about your product. So you have a very limited amount of time to earn that ear.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. 
46:4827/10/2020
Predictions for the Future from the Godfather of Marketing Automation, Adam Blitzer, EVP at Salesforce

Predictions for the Future from the Godfather of Marketing Automation, Adam Blitzer, EVP at Salesforce

This episode features an interview with Adam Blitzer, Executive Vice President and General Manager of Digital at Salesforce. Adam is truly one of the godfathers of marketing automation and B2B demand generation, having founded and sold Pardot, one of the most important marketing automation platforms ever created for CMOs and demand gen leaders. Adam currently oversees the multi-billion-dollar marketing division at Salesforce, using the products he created to meet internal demand gen goals.On this episode, Adam discusses the evolution of demand gen, how the tools and technologies for marketing automation have changed, why the fundamental challenges for marketers remain the same, what he believes is the MarTech battleground of the future, and the software products he’s building to create the single source of truth for enterprise marketers.Key TakeawaysB2b marketers have two customers – your end customer and your sales team, and sales is marketing’s most important marketing channel at most B2B companies.The tools and technologies for marketing automation have changed, but the fundamental challenges for marketers remain the same. Marketers are trying to do four things: Know their customers, personalize their interactions, engage customers across every channel, and measure all of it. Historically there's never been a single source of truth for marketing. The customer data platform is the battleground of the future, and it’s where Salesforce is building the single source of truth for marketers.Quotes“Marketing has really stepped up and said, you know what, we're the steward of the brand, and we’re now also the steward of the end-to-end customer experience. Even if it flows through a part of the company that we don't own directly, it’s all a reflection of the brand and it's all a reflection of marketing.”“When I got started in 2007 in B2B marketing automation, it was very much about feeding the funnel and moving through the conveyor belt of leads to opportunities to closed-one deals. Now it's much more about customer life-cycle marketing. It's about turning your clicks into leads, your leads into pipeline, your pipeline into customers, and your customers into raving fans.”“It's very easy as a marketer to focus on the end customer and to not focus on the other very important customer, which is your sales team. At the end of the day, if marketing blows out its numbers and they hit all of their target metrics and sales misses their target metric, how many people at the company are happy? No one is happy. At a B2B company, pipeline and sales is where the rubber meets the road. As much as possible marketing and sales need to be joined at the hip, and the more that they can share goals, the better.”“We really believe that the customer data platform is the battleground in marketing for the next five years. With this proliferation of MarTech and the average marketer using 10 to 20 different pieces of MarTech in their stack, you have got to be at the center of it.”“In this world where MarTech has become so diffuse, you can control the data, you can control the workflow, you can control the content, or you can control the analytics…And we think the most foundational of those four pieces is data, so that's really what we want to help our customers with.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
48:5720/10/2020
Scaling Demand Gen to Build the Next Unicorn with Jamie Grenney, CMO of OwnBackup

Scaling Demand Gen to Build the Next Unicorn with Jamie Grenney, CMO of OwnBackup

This episode features an interview with Jamie Grenney, CMO of OwnBackup. Prior to OwnBackup, Jamie spent 11 years at Salesforce learning from the best in the business. Most recently, he led a large product marketing and enablement team as a Global VP at Okta, and is now working on making OwnBackup into his fourth Unicorn. On this episode, Jamie discusses the death of cold outreach, the right way to make impactful video content, how to cultivate a great sales-marketing relationship, and much more.Key TakeawaysThe big shift that we're going to see in demand gen and marketing over the next couple of years is the switch from cold outreach to warm introductions. Companies are going to come up with a way to break through the noise and get to warm introductions at scale. Cultivating a great sales-marketing relationship requires putting yourself in their shoes, having empathy for their job, and maintaining the perspective that sales closing deals that ultimately pay your salary.Video is still a great way to deliver a clear and concise message in a format that’s really easy to share. YouTube is the second biggest search engine on the web, and a YouTube link is a non-threatening way to advocate for a product and help people understand what it’s capable of.Quotes“Inbound pipeline, outbound BDR-sourced pipeline, AE-sourced pipeline, and your partners. Those are the four engines you want to think about. How do you build those for scale, how do you measure them, and how do you grow them 5 or 10X. Think about those engines, and what can we do to increase their respective productivity.”“I think one challenge that some companies have is they have a product that is not verticalized, but they go after vertical messaging. It can take a ton of time and energy to maintain a bunch of vertical messaging. When you go into verticals, you've got to think about what is the vertical and how am I going to solve that problem all the way through?”“Conversational marketing is an uncuttable [budget item] because I think it's the future of how we engage our prospects and customers. It’s less about forms and more about getting them to the right person who can help. It's about improving the quality of conversation, and it's about making sure that you make the connection in real time.”“One thing that I see fading away is cold outreach. Every company has a pipeline gap to fill, but cold outreach makes no sense at all…generally cold outreach is expensive, inefficient, stressful, and it often yields disappointing results. These days, if you're a high value prospect, you're bombarded with unsolicited calls and emails and advertisements that you're going to tune out. So marketers really need to figure this out.”"Sometimes you have to relax your ideals to earn trust. You have to put yourself in [sales’] shoes. Understand that it's more important to be effective than to be right. A really good lesson in bridging the sales and marketing divide is to think about what is the right pace to introduce things to sales and how do you build trust in those relationships."SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
50:4013/10/2020
Demand Gen Trends to Invest in According to a Six-Time CMO with Heidi Melin, CMO of Workfront

Demand Gen Trends to Invest in According to a Six-Time CMO with Heidi Melin, CMO of Workfront

This episode features an interview with Heidi Melin, CMO of Workfront. Heidi has held the position of CMO 6 times over an impressive two-decade career of developing and executing marketing strategies that drive growth. On this episode, Heidi illustrates her approach to pivoting Workfront’s marketing strategies in response to the paradigm shift that companies are experiencing in 2020, and she explains why you need to be viewing your marketing dollars as an investment, not just an expense.Key TakeawaysWe’re undergoing a paradigm shift driven by COVID and the rise of the millennial B2B consumer that is completely changing how companies buy software.Companies can differentiate themselves by deeply understanding how buyers engage with their brand, and then utilizing those insights throughout the selling process.Account-based marketing isn’t enough; the strategy must be hyper-targeted across marketing and sales.Quotes“As marketers, if we have learned anything over the course of the last few months, it's that we have to be able to adapt much more quickly in order to be successful. All the things that we knew were effective are changing and they're changing immediately. So how do we adjust and continue to drive demand to support the pipeline that's required for our selling organization?”“One of the most important things that we have learned out of the pivot in response to COVID is that the entire business process needs to change, not just a marketing tactic here or there. It's a paradigm shift that we're going through right now that is not only going to change our marketing programs and tactics, but it's going to change how organizations buy enterprise software.”“I think in terms of what channels give us the ability to be very focused and targeted in our investments. We're prioritizing those channels that allow us to more accurately target our target accounts. We have the tools today to be very specific about who our messages go to. Leveraging those tools becomes really important, because our spend levels aren't necessarily going up, but the pressure on marketing teams to deliver engagement and demand is going up.”“I always talk about marketing as an investment versus an expense. If we want to make sure that each one of those dollars is used to its fullest impact, we want to make sure we get to the people that have the highest likelihood to buy from us.”“I very seldom use the term ABM because it's been overused and over promoted. Isn't ABM just a category of software that allows us to deliver on the premise of marketing that's always been there? ABM technology provided the ability for us as marketers to do what we've always said we should be doing, which is targeting the right people with our message.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
46:1107/10/2020
Creating A $2.2 Billion Revenue Intelligence Powerhouse with Udi Ledergor, CMO of Gong

Creating A $2.2 Billion Revenue Intelligence Powerhouse with Udi Ledergor, CMO of Gong

This episode features an interview between Ian Faison and Udi Ledergor, CMO of Gong. A 5-time VP of Marketing, Udi has 20 years of experience heading marketing teams and is an expert in helping B2B companies grow faster by optimizing and transforming their marketing efforts.On this episode, Udi discusses the synergy between Gong’s demand gen efforts and brand plays, and lays out the content strategy that he uses to drive the inbound and outbound motions that create thousands of MQLs every month for a $2.2 Billion B2B powerhouse.Key TakeawaysWays the content marketing landscape is changing in our fast-paced, digital-first worldHow to build compelling content that reaches your audience on the channels they frequent mostThe three basic elements that every successful content machine must includeQuotes“Here's the really simplified truth: we create darn good content, and we use that content to drive both our inbound and outbound motions. Then we create thousands of MQLs every month by looking at who's consuming our content and attending our events.”“Here’s the big secret: [LinkedIn] is my cheapest demand gen channel...we can get thousands of downloads in a day and that doesn't cost me a dime. It’s completely organic. That's why I love this channel. I know that the people are there because they want to be, I'm not chasing them. I could not live without that channel.”“I think the biggest mistake that brands make is they start with what they want to say rather than what their prospects or customers want to hear. By starting from the customer side and working back, you can give them what they want in a way that also serves your brand. That's the right way to do it.”“I'd say 99% of our content takes less than five minutes to consume. We’ve found that with today's attention span, especially of busy executives, that type of content is hugely popular. If you're going to create a 40-page e-book like we did 10 years ago in content marketing, the only ones likely to read it are your competitors.”“The days where we could plan six months ahead for a content project are long gone. I think it's a joke if someone can plan a year ahead on their content calendar in this fast moving market. Either your content is stale or it's just completely detached from what's going on in the market. What plans could you have made six months ago that would be remotely relevant to your audience right now? You have to be a lot more agile than in the past to keep up. The companies that are keeping up, that are producing timely content that’s answering real time questions and solving problems quickly– they are moving quickly ahead, and the others are way behind.”“Become best friends with your CRO or VP of Sales. You have to put your ego aside and understand that you are there to make sales easier. You can't build the right demand gen machine if you don't understand exactly what your sales team needs. If you manage to make sales’ lives easier, you will have built a successful demand gen machine. It’s that simple.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
41:5629/09/2020
Why Marketers Must Shift from the Funnel to the Flywheel with Chandar Pattabhiram, CMO of Coupa

Why Marketers Must Shift from the Funnel to the Flywheel with Chandar Pattabhiram, CMO of Coupa

This episode features an interview with Chandar Pattabhiram, CMO of Coupa. Chandar has more than 25 years of experience in strategic marketing and management consulting, including his previous role as CMO at Marketo. As CMO of Coupa, he is responsible for driving all aspects of worldwide marketing including strategic segment marketing, product marketing, growth marketing and corporate marketing.On this episode, Chandar breaks the mold on demand gen, explaining why you should be thinking of it in terms of growth marketing and revenue gen, and he illustrates his flywheel approach to marketing that goes far beyond the traditional funnel model.Key TakeawaysExpand your view of demand gen–view it as growth marketing, and even as revenue gen. Those terms are important because what you call it and how you view it gets permeated throughout your organization.It’s important to view marketing as a flywheel of activities as opposed to the traditional funnel model. The flywheel approach consists of awareness, acquisition, expansion, and advocacy.A step that’s missing in growth marketing in a lot of organizations is adoption marketing. Adoption marketing is about ensuring that your customers are successful with what they’ve already bought before you go about trying to expand your presence in their business.Instead of running big virtual events and claiming victory on vanity metrics, marketers should consider the value of “circles,” which are smaller, more intimate gatherings that are easier to engage and have a much greater impact on deal-acceleration.Quotes“I don’t use the words ‘funnel’ or ‘demand gen.’ We call it revenue marketing. Because why do any marketing unless it’s for revenue?”“Your job in marketing is to find the fastest path to the most dollars for the sales organization. That’s the guiding principle at the end of the day.”“Value is one divided by vanity. You have to take the vanity metrics out of it...We are looking for value, not vanity. If my goal is deal acceleration, I should not be worried about vanity metrics, I should only be worried about value metrics.”“Advocacy marketing is not them advocating for you, it’s you advocating for them. If you’re doing it well, you’re showcasing how your customers are driving transformational change in their organizations.”“Your best salesperson is your customer. if you’ve done a good job of driving value, they’re going to do the selling for you.”“I view our website as the most strategic weapon in marketing...I view it as a vehicle for conversation, not just one-way information dissemination. It can be a vehicle to start a conversation and move it forward in the journey. It’s an important asset for us in that way, and it’s a top lead-generation tool as well.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
45:4222/09/2020
How Tenable Captured the Fortune 500 Using Solution-Based Marketing, with Melton Littlepage, SVP at Tenable

How Tenable Captured the Fortune 500 Using Solution-Based Marketing, with Melton Littlepage, SVP at Tenable

This episode features an interview with Melton Littlepage, Senior VP of Marketing at Tenable. Melton has more than 15 years of marketing experience, including as VP of Global Marketing for SAP Concur, and CMO of Schoology. At Tenable, Melton is responsible for driving demand gen for cybersecurity solutions that are used by more than 30,000 organizations worldwide, including more than half of the Fortune 500.On this episode, Melton breaks down his solution-based marketing approach, how to truly understand the problems your customers face, and how to make your brand synonymous with the solutions they need.Key TakeawaysMarketing has two missions: tell your story to the market, and then when the market is searching for an answer to a problem, be there with the answer.The job of a marketer is to help the buyer understand how to manage their problems. It’s to help them see that there is a solution that can take a lot of pain and effort out of their life, allow them to do a better job, and help their company be more successful.Management of your website is crucial. It's where you express yourself as a brand, develop your category, create community, inform and educate the market on the products you offer, and it’s how you assemble those products into solutions that are important for solving real-world problems.Having conversational marketing on your website is an essential tool. It’s an attractive alternative to gated content forms and it goes beyond being a lead-capture tool. It allows you to have meaningful conversations with your customers and guide them through their buying journey.Quotes“Being a VP of marketing is like being the VP of helping the customer solve a problem. We have a lot of internal processes and KPIs and metrics and all that's really important, but our job is really to understand our buyer and understand what they're up against.”“[Our customer] is not looking to buy a product, they're looking to solve a problem. We need to jump in there and help them solve the problem. That's how they're going to end up buying the product. It doesn't come the other way around.”“We've built a demand gen organization that is dedicated to reaching our target persona and changing their mind. That’s it in a nutshell.”“We start with the buyer and the problems they have in their day to day world. We try to help them understand that there is a better way to do what we do. We hold their hand through the process of learning how it could apply in their organization and what the potential benefit is. And then, in an ideal world, we start a conversation with them. If we can do that, we've succeeded in our role as marketing. If we can't do that, then all the KPIs, processes, tech– it just doesn't matter.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
51:3515/09/2020
How to Turn Your Customers Into Your Greatest Advocates with Dave King, CMO of Asana

How to Turn Your Customers Into Your Greatest Advocates with Dave King, CMO of Asana

This episode features an interview with Dave King, CMO of Asana. Specializing in B2B enterprise marketing and growth, Dave joined Asana in 2017 to oversee global marketing efforts after having previously led marketing teams at Percolate, Highfive and Salesforce.On this episode, Dave breaks down Asana’s unique, hybrid demand gen strategy that starts with a core belief in an exceptional product experience. Dave discusses how to add value, engender trust, and deliver such a remarkable experience that your customers become your greatest advocates.Key TakeawaysWord of mouth marketing is the future and is still largely untapped. More people hear about Asana from word of mouth than from any other advertising or marketing tactics. Think about how to create an experience that’s so remarkable that people want to share about it.Ultimately a brand is about building trust. Whether you’re B2C or B2B, what matters is that you’re engendering trust within the specific audience that you’re targeting.Demand gen has to be tailored to your audience and the needs of the business. You can’t take a demand gen model that works for company X and apply it to company Y. The first and most important thing you need to do is figure out what you need demand gen to do for your organizationBoth the demand gen team and sales teams at Asana are really focused on how to help customers get even more value out of the product.Asana customers can use the product for free and see the value from day one, which aligns everybody’s incentives in a powerful way, and is a huge driver of word of mouth.Everyone at Asana uses the product, which is a huge advantage to knowing how to explain to customers how it can add value.Big ad platforms still work fine but have likely reached their peak influence. There are exciting new types of smaller channels and communities that are more targeted and intimate (like podcasts).Gated assets are still sometimes a necessary evil, but there’s likely a technology breakthrough coming where you won’t have to make the false choice between customer experience and data capture. Quotes“More people hear about us from word of mouth than they do from any of our advertising or marketing tactics. Our community team does several hundred events per year, on five continents, all about driving word of mouth.”“We like to say great marketing is about education and delivering an experience. So how do we help people be better at their jobs, and how do you make it an experience that people want to talk about?”“Helping people be better at their jobs rather than selling features is a shift that’s happening across our craft...We view ourselves as community organizers more than as professors.”“Some of the best marketing is not creating things from scratch, but seeing the bright spots–what is working organically, what’s happening naturally, and how do we create programs to amplify or facilitate that. Our most creative ideas come from what we’re seeing in the community, versus us thinking them up in the lab”“I think that the scarce commodity in society right now is trust. We make emotional decisions, and we make them based on trust. That’s ultimately what a brand is: How do I deliver trust?”“Our philosophy is that we believe so much in the product experience that we want to get people into that experience as quickly as possible.”“Speed to market is the new currency of success. You have to be agile and adaptive...Who has time for a one- or two-year software deployment cycle these days? Especially as demand gen marketers, we’ve got to get up and running quickly, and where you can put tools together to be really adaptive and move fast gives you a big advantage.”SponsorDemand Gen Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for Demand Gen pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more.
41:2209/09/2020