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Encore Episode: How to Tame Conference Anxiety and Enjoy the Show

Encore Episode: How to Tame Conference Anxiety and Enjoy the Show

Join us for Amplify Nashville this September 19-21 and connect with some of the brightest minds around. Register now: https://www.workiva.com/amplify.To learn more about Robert Coplan and his work check out robertcoplan.com. And you can get his books here:The Handbook of Solitude: Psychological Perspectives on Social Isolation, Social Withdrawal, and Being Alone, 2nd EditionQuiet at SchoolThe Development of Shyness and Social Withdrawal
27:2327/07/2023
Back to Basics, Part 2: So…Who Regulates ESG? (And More Q&A)

Back to Basics, Part 2: So…Who Regulates ESG? (And More Q&A)

Show notes:Ask Steve Soter and Mark Mellen your own questions in person at Amplify. Register now.Subscribe to Off the Books! Hit the “subscribe” button on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you like to listen. Find every episode of Off the Books at workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast
19:4220/07/2023
Back to Basics, Part 1: What’s Up with SEC Climate Disclosures?

Back to Basics, Part 1: What’s Up with SEC Climate Disclosures?

Show notes:For a quick look at what’s in the proposed SEC climate disclosure rule and how to prepare for it, check out this infographic.Subscribe to Off the Books! Hit the “subscribe” button on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you like to listen. Find every episode of Off the Books at workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast
23:4713/07/2023
It’s All Right, It’s OK: Stayin’ Alive in Uncertainty

It’s All Right, It’s OK: Stayin’ Alive in Uncertainty

Show notes:Here’s the survey Steve mentioned that shows executives proactively planning to comply with proposed climate-related disclosure rules.See what else Josh has said about turning uncertainty into opportunities for CFOs and controllers.You can hear more from Josh at Amplify, Workiva’s annual conference, where he will speak about building a resilient accounting team.Subscribe and listen to all the episodes of Off the Books at workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast.
23:2506/07/2023
Uncovering the Sexiest of SEC Filings with Footnoted.com

Uncovering the Sexiest of SEC Filings with Footnoted.com

Show notes:Michelle Leder is the author of the book Financial Fine Print: Uncovering a Company’s True Value. She also runs footnoted* and the site’s subscription newsletter, Friday Night Dump, where she uncovers juicy tidbits within SEC filings. Her free newsletter is available via LinkedIn.Find all episodes of Off the Books at workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast
24:5829/06/2023
Off the Books vs. The Accountant

Off the Books vs. The Accountant

Show notes:Review which movies the crew originally considered when producer Mike Gravagno asked them to find the best accounting movie.Tell us what they got right and wrong about the movies they’ve debated so far:The Shawshank RedemptionGhostbustersMoonstruckThe UntouchablesEverything Everywhere All at OnceFind all episodes of Off the Books at workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast
37:3322/06/2023
Real Talk on SEC Rules with David Peavler

Real Talk on SEC Rules with David Peavler

Show notes:Financial reporting professionals for private, public, nonprofit, or government organizations can join the SEC Professionals Group (it’s free!) to catch all of David’s comments from the Pro Group Q1 meeting.Find all episodes of Off the Books at workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast
18:5815/06/2023
Capital Markets, IPOs, and Fab Founders with Mary Grove

Capital Markets, IPOs, and Fab Founders with Mary Grove

Show notes:As Mary mentioned in this episode, her office hours at Bread and Butter Ventures are open to anyone. Learn more.Find all episodes of Off the Books at workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast
16:1108/06/2023
Overstock CEO Jonathan Johnson on Governance, the G in ESG

Overstock CEO Jonathan Johnson on Governance, the G in ESG

Jonathan Johnson, who became CEO of Overstock after founder Patrick Byrne resigned, chats with Catherine and Steve about the “G” in ESG, cryptocurrency, and setting the tone from the top. During his career at Overstock and elsewhere, Jonathan has served as a general counsel and CFO, giving him an appreciation for strong corporate governance. Tune in!
23:5213/04/2023
The Impact of Internal Audit—What We Learned at IIA GAM 2023

The Impact of Internal Audit—What We Learned at IIA GAM 2023

Show Notes:The draft of the Global Internal Audit Standards is now available for public comment through May 30, 2023Check out the IIA’s yearly report, the Pulse of Internal Audit, which provides insights about internal audit budgets, staff, audit plans, risks, and moreGet more internal audit tips and takeaways for 2023
30:5806/04/2023
Behind the Scenes of “Madoff: The Monster of Wall Street”

Behind the Scenes of “Madoff: The Monster of Wall Street”

Show Notes:The Netflix docuseries Madoff: The Monster of Wall Street was directed by Joe Berlinger.Jim Campbell is the author of Madoff Talks: Uncovering the Untold Story Behind the Most Notorious Ponzi Scheme in History and was co-executive producer of Madoff: The Monster of Wall Street. He is also assistant news director at WCGH-AM.Ali Levin, a co-producer of Madoff: The Monster of Wall Street, is also a comedian, impressionist, actor, writer, singer, and film producer.
37:2930/03/2023
What Happened to Silicon Valley Bank, and What’s Next?

What Happened to Silicon Valley Bank, and What’s Next?

The collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and the ripple effects have left us with so many questions. Catherine and Steve sit down with former auditors Ernest Anunciacion and Josh Gertsch to try to answer them all. Let’s dive in.
31:4423/03/2023
Off the Books vs. Everything Everywhere All At Once

Off the Books vs. Everything Everywhere All At Once

Show notes:Review which movies the crew originally considered when producer Mike Gravagno asked them to find the best accounting movie.Tell us what they got right and wrong about the movies they’ve debated so far:The Shawshank RedemptionGhostbustersMoonstruckThe Untouchables
40:0516/03/2023
How I Became a Controller (Who Also Does ESG Accounting)

How I Became a Controller (Who Also Does ESG Accounting)

Catherine and Steve sat down with Jonathan Gregory, North America Controller for The Hershey Co., to discuss how he ended up with what has to be one of the sweetest accounting and finance jobs in Pennsylvania. Sink your teeth into this episode.
31:3309/03/2023
Breaking Down Q4 2022 Earnings with Nick Mazing

Breaking Down Q4 2022 Earnings with Nick Mazing

Nick Mazing of AlphaSense is back to cover a whirlwind of info related to Q4 2022 earnings. The crew covers what companies are saying about crypto, interest, inflation, and more hot topics in their annual reports. Plus, we asked ChatGPT to come up with our closing question of the day. What could go wrong? Listen in!
30:1302/03/2023
Finance and Accounting Trends for Job Hoppers and Their Bosses

Finance and Accounting Trends for Job Hoppers and Their Bosses

Read some of the latest news from Robert Half on hiring trends in accounting and finance and more:Employment trends and demand for skilled talentSalary guide for finance and accountingSurvey: Nearly half of U.S. workers plan to look for a new position in the new year
25:5123/02/2023
Encore Episode: Diversity in Accounting

Encore Episode: Diversity in Accounting

This 2022 episode is too relevant not to re-air this year. Black accountants are underrepresented in the profession, which matters as companies look at candidates to promote to CFO. Levongia Carrera shares what can help Black executives feel more supported in the workplace.
39:3116/02/2023
An ESG Community with Financial Reporting Folks and More

An ESG Community with Financial Reporting Folks and More

Learn more about the ESG Professionals Group, and join for free.
24:3509/02/2023
Off the Books vs. The Untouchables

Off the Books vs. The Untouchables

Review which movies the crew originally considered when Mike Gravagno asked them to find the best accounting movie.Tell us what they got right and wrong about the movies they’ve debated so far:The Shawshank RedemptionGhostbustersMoonstruck
29:2002/02/2023
The Truth About Corporate Fraud

The Truth About Corporate Fraud

Show notes:Read the study mentioned in this episode. The study was written by Alexander Dyck, Adair Morse, and  Luigi Zingales and was mentioned in the January 14, 2023, edition of DealBook.
26:4426/01/2023
Building Trust in the Workplace Without the Trust Falls

Building Trust in the Workplace Without the Trust Falls

For more of what Curt Steinhorst said about how leaders build trust and spark organizational confidence, watch his webinar on demand.Let us know what trends you’re seeing in your workplace. Take the 2023 workplace trends survey before February 28, 2023, for a chance to win a fitness mirror.
24:2419/01/2023
Secrets for FP&A Teams from a Market Researcher

Secrets for FP&A Teams from a Market Researcher

Kelly Davis of Outdoor Industry Association returns! The podcast crew interrupts Kelly’s time with her dogs to ask how market researchers can be a financial planning and analysis (FP&A) team’s best friend.
22:4515/12/2022
Behind the Des Moines Public Schools $50,000 Retention Bonus

Behind the Des Moines Public Schools $50,000 Retention Bonus

Would you stick around an extra year for $50,000? Shashank Aurora, Chief Financial Officer of Des Moines Public Schools, takes us behind the scenes of the school district’s offer to get retiring teachers to stay one more year.
14:2608/12/2022
100th Episode Extravaganza! The Best of Off the Books

100th Episode Extravaganza! The Best of Off the Books

We’re celebrating 100 episodes of Off the Books! Hear how it all started, and relive some of the best clips of the accounting podcast you know and love.
38:1602/12/2022
Meme Me Up, Stevey

Meme Me Up, Stevey

Catch a glimpse of the memes along with Mike and Catherine over on YouTube!
16:0717/11/2022
A Seed Funding Pool Party with the VC Minute Podcast Host

A Seed Funding Pool Party with the VC Minute Podcast Host

How is raising capital for a startup like having a pool party? Rich Maloy of SpringTime Ventures (and host of the VC Minute podcast) swings by Off the Books to make a splash! Watch now.
22:1110/11/2022
The SEC and FASB: Turning Down the Political Heat, Part 2

The SEC and FASB: Turning Down the Political Heat, Part 2

Part 2 of the conversation with Nicola White of Bloomberg and Alan Wilson of the law firm WilmerHale! Last week there were so many insights on the SEC, FASB, and crypto accounting that we had to keep the convo going. Catch the rest of the chat now.
22:0303/11/2022
The SEC and FASB: Turning Down the Political Heat, Part 1

The SEC and FASB: Turning Down the Political Heat, Part 1

Is it hot in here, or is it just the FASB? Nicola White of Bloomberg and Alan Wilson, CPA and securities attorney from WilmerHale, swing by to discuss the backstory and ramifications on a move to protect the Financial Standards Accounting Board from political interference—and get it to act a wee bit faster. Learn more.
22:4527/10/2022
Off the Books vs. Moonstruck: Best Accounting Movies

Off the Books vs. Moonstruck: Best Accounting Movies

YouTubers, drop a comment on what the crew got right and wrong:Want more movie episodes? Check them out here: The Super-Duper Best Accounting Movies of All Time: https://youtu.be/c_6GZnu3-gs Off the Books vs. The Shawshank Redemption: https://youtu.be/5WMPeAP-SSI Off the Books vs. Ghostbusters: https://youtu.be/GVNc9EREnnw
26:0720/10/2022
ESG and Net Zero: Dinged If You Do, Dinged If You Don't

ESG and Net Zero: Dinged If You Do, Dinged If You Don't

Here’s the attorney generals letter to BlackRock: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/executive-management/BlackRock%20Letter.pdfHere’s a response from BlackRock: https://thetexan.news/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/BlackRock-Response-to-AGs-09062022_Final.pdfAnd this is what the New York City Comptroller sent BlackRock: https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/comptroller-lander-sends-letter-to-blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-demanding-stronger-action-toward-net-zero-emissions-reduction-across-portfolio/Hear the Off the Books crew chatter on other accounting topics: https://www.workiva.com/off-the-books-podcast
21:1312/10/2022
Amplifying the Future of Transparency

Amplifying the Future of Transparency

On this between-seasons bonus episode, ESG Talk’s Mandi McReynolds joins Steve and Catherine to recap Workiva Amplify, the annual conference for ESG, finance, and risk folks. Hear how Amplify 2022 went all in on the bold future of transparency, plus listen to a clip from two keynote speakers: professional rock climbers Alex Honnold and Tommy Caldwell!
22:4428/09/2022
Goodbye to Taxes as We Know Them (and to Season 3)

Goodbye to Taxes as We Know Them (and to Season 3)

A proposal to tax companies based on book income instead of their tax income was tucked into the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, and that sure got Steve Soter and Josh Gertsch talking. Catherine soaks in why it’s such a big deal for accounting teams.
24:4416/08/2022
How to Tame Conference Anxiety and Enjoy the Show

How to Tame Conference Anxiety and Enjoy the Show

After a couple of years off, are you ready to mix and mingle at in-person industry events? Robert Coplan, developmental psychologist and Professor of Psychology at Carleton University, offers tips on how to ease back into real life gatherings so you can get the most out of conferences like Workiva Amplify this fall.
32:0409/08/2022
So I've Got Some Bad News ...

So I've Got Some Bad News ...

Recent headlines motivated Steve and Catherine to think about considerations organizations have when revealing not-so-great news. Brandon Ziegler returns to field their serious (and not-so-serious) questions about SEC investigations, disclosures, and more!
19:5002/08/2022
SPACs and the SEC

SPACs and the SEC

Mike Coke of Wilson Sonsini returns! This time Mike’s here to break down the state of capital markets and the SEC’s proposed rule around SPACs (special purpose acquisition companies)—plus new rules for everyday life.
38:4226/07/2022
Auditor Resignations and Consternation

Auditor Resignations and Consternation

It's not often that an audit firm walks away from a client, but there's always a story when it happens. Mike Disabato, host of the MSCI podcast ESG Now, breaks down auditor resignations with the Off the Books crew. Tune in:
33:0519/07/2022
Off the Books vs. Ghostbusters

Off the Books vs. Ghostbusters

If there’s something strange on your movie screen, who you gonna call? Off the Books! It’s time for another edition of the accounting movie bracket. Mike pits Catherine and Steve against the OG Ghostbusters! Does the film show the EPA as unfairly evil? How does it handle relationships? Is it even an accounting movie!?
35:1212/07/2022
NEWS: What Y’All Said on the SEC Climate Disclosure Proposal

NEWS: What Y’All Said on the SEC Climate Disclosure Proposal

Off the Books takes on the news! The Securities and Exchange Commission has received thousands of comments on its climate risk disclosure proposal. Catherine and Steve break down what stands out from the feedback on the proposed SEC climate disclosure rule. Tune in:
22:2605/07/2022
The Business of the Great Outdoors

The Business of the Great Outdoors

Camping season is upon us! The crew asks Kelly Davis, Director of Research for the Outdoor Industry Association, how she works with the office of finance and what outdoor trends she’s seeing. Then Steve and Catherine sneak in questions about skiing, and it’s all downhill from there. Listen in:
37:5928/06/2022
Mandi vs. Steve on the SEC Climate Disclosure Proposal

Mandi vs. Steve on the SEC Climate Disclosure Proposal

ESG Talk’s Mandi McReynolds joins Off the Books to give an ESG director’s point of view on the SEC’s climate disclosure proposal, while Steve offers the perspective of an SEC reporting director. Will they see eye to eye? Will Catherine have to give them a timeout? Will the Workiva podiverse ever be the same? Tune in:
32:3222/06/2022
Off the Books vs. The Shawshank Redemption

Off the Books vs. The Shawshank Redemption

Mike pits Catherine and Steve up against fan favorite The Shawshank Redemption. Does this Stephen King adaptation count as an accounting movie? Does its beloved reputation make sense? Is there ever such thing as TOO much Morgan Freeman narration? Tune in for the answers to all of the questions and more!
36:4414/06/2022
Cryptocurrency and Accounting, with SoftLedger CEO Ben Taylor

Cryptocurrency and Accounting, with SoftLedger CEO Ben Taylor

Wouldn't it be nice if crypto accounting were less ... cryptic? FASB, the Financial Accounting Standards Board, has finally said it will think about setting rules around accounting for certain digital assets like bitcoin. Ben Taylor of SoftLedger, whose accounting software can help automate cryptocurrency transactions, breaks it all down. Listen in.
29:2108/06/2022
The Off the Books Crew Goes on Spring Break

The Off the Books Crew Goes on Spring Break

The first part of season 3 is in the books (errr, off the books?), and it’s time to listen back to our deep conversations about career paths, what to disclose, and even the best accounting movies before we head out for spring break. Plus, a teaser for the new podcast from Mandi McReynolds!
02:5726/04/2022
Accounting for War: The Impacts of Ukraine

Accounting for War: The Impacts of Ukraine

As companies work to protect employees in Ukraine, they’re also making related adjustments in accounting and risk management. This week, Steve and Catherine are joined by Mike Ruble, an audit partner at PwC, to dig into issues from asset impairment to materiality to the risk of nationalization.
26:3919/04/2022
Surfing with Sharks: Mr. Wonderful and ESG Investing

Surfing with Sharks: Mr. Wonderful and ESG Investing

Kevin O’Leary of “Shark Tank” fame recently spoke about ESG investing, so Catherine decided to make Steve share his unfiltered reactions to what Mr. Wonderful said.
12:5812/04/2022
@!$% My CEO Says: Conference Call Cursing

@!$% My CEO Says: Conference Call Cursing

The office loudmouth isn’t the only one swearing at work. A few executives have let an expletive—or eight—fly in public, according to transcripts analyzed by the AI-powered financial search engine Sentieo. Nick Mazing returns to give us the real shi—er, scoop.
24:0305/04/2022
The Shelf Life of Audit Experience

The Shelf Life of Audit Experience

Researchers say audit experience can influence a chief financial officer’s behavior—but not forever. Returning guest Josh Gertsch has worked with CFOs in a variety of ways and unleashes his expertise on the topic. Listen in:
19:4429/03/2022
Going with the Flo: A Chat with FloQast CEO Mike Whitmire

Going with the Flo: A Chat with FloQast CEO Mike Whitmire

Mike Whitmire wasn’t even a decade out from graduating with an accounting degree when he co-founded FloQast, a software company created by accountants for accountants in 2013. Mike shares how he became CEO of a startup, how he keeps blazing his own path, and why he wanted to make a web series for accountants.
29:3222/03/2022
The Super-Duper Best Accounting Movies of All Time

The Super-Duper Best Accounting Movies of All Time

It’s a takeover! Off the Books producer Mike Gravagno takes the microphone, yo (see what we did there), and we’ll never be the same. It’s an episode unlike any other. Check it out.
51:2015/03/2022
Career Profile: Lawyer by Day, Accountant by Night

Career Profile: Lawyer by Day, Accountant by Night

How does someone go from earning an accounting degree to becoming a securities lawyer? Catherine and Steve are joined by Alan J. Wilson, JD, CPA, of the law firm WilmerHale to discover what led him down a career path where law and accounting intersect—and what secrets are hidden in such an intersection!
23:4208/03/2022