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Dr. Michelle Boland & Dr. Tim Richardt
The More Train, Less Pain podcast is hosted by Dr. Michelle Boland and Dr. Tim Richardt and is specifically designed around engineering the adaptable athlete. The podcast will bring you the most knowledgeable guests in the fields of strength and conditioning and physical therapy, as well as episodes consisting of topic “deep-dives”. Our aim is to elevate YOUR understanding as a movement professional, to give you the knowledge, and the tools to deliver an even better service to your people, whoever they may be.
S2E11: Swinging the Fitness Industry Pendulum with Michelle & Tim
We have all heard the phrases, “just get stronger”, “conditioning will kill your gains”, “breathing is the only thing that matters”, “machines are the only way to lift”, “you have to get neutral before you lift”.
Where do these extreme viewpoints come from and how do they influence the Physical Therapy and Fitness industry?
Join Michelle and Tim as they dive into the Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis Model of how we get HOOKED on a new industry opinion.
Show Notes:
David Grey
Mike Boyle
Joel Smith
Pat Davidson
Erik Huddleston
Postural Restoration Institute
Mike Camporini
Eric Schmidt
David Grey Episode #2 with Joel Smith
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
49:4511/04/2022
S2E9: Movement Solutions, Content Marketing, & Training Tim with Lance Goyke
If you think that all movement needs to be improved via laying-on-the-ground positional breathing drills, think again. There are myriad ways to improve a client’s movement to improve fitness outcomes while sidestepping pain, and our guest today is an expert in ‘em all. Join Michelle and Tim as they sit down with Lance Goyke, remote trainer, site developer, and content marketer extraordinaire!
They discuss the absolute joy that training Tim was (for both Lance and Michelle), how to approach training and fitness when dealing with chronic and persistent pain, improving position and movement with local muscular endurance and systemic conditioning work, and navigating the thorny world of developing an online presence as an up-and-coming trainer.
Lance is a truly unique mind when it comes to bridging the seemingly disparate gaps between anatomy, biomechanics, psychology, marketing, and technology. Enjoy the episode!
Show Notes:
LanceGoyke.com
TheMovementSeminar.com
Michelle’s Jefferson DB IG Post
ZacCupples.com
Mastering.Fitness
Email Lance at [email protected]
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
01:26:1904/04/2022
S2E8: PRI Round Two; Practical PRI
Caving to listener pressure, Michelle and Tim sit down to talk AGAIN about PRI, this time with a focus on the practical, day-to-day applications, both in the weight room and PT clinic.
They chat about the relative utility of an asymmetrical movement lens, minor tweaks to common weight room exercises to improve both range of motion and fitness outcomes, whether or not a FULL exhalation is desired during resets, the “stack”, and oh-so-much more!
If you’re a trainer or physio either interested in PRI, or you’ve been exposed to some material and want to get further insight into how to apply it, this is the episode for YOU!
If you haven’t listened to their Season 1 episode titled “What PRI Got Right”, start there FIRST, as that episode presents some foundational information that is built upon in this one.
A *disclaimer*; neither Tim or Michelle are affiliated with, or representatives of the Postural Restoration Institute in any way, shape, or form. They do not teach for, nor are they accredited by, the Institute. The information and opinions they share in this episode is theirs and theirs alone, and should not be taken as the position of the Institute.
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Show Notes:
PRI, PRI’s 3 Foundational Courses,
Old PRI Episode, S1E4, “What PRI got Right”
Asymmetrical split stance med ball exercise
Front foot elevated reverse lunge w/ slight left shift
Donna Behr, Michelle’s neighbor/PRC
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
01:00:3228/03/2022
S2E7: Coaching from an Icon: Michelle Goes SOLO with Lee Taft
Lee Taft gives us all a lesson in the art of coaching. Sure, we dive into multi-directional speed training, principles, and misconceptions, but man-oh-man is Lee dropping dimes about coaching. Get ready, to get better, as we chat about being patient with results, making sure your clients understand intent, adding context for learning, allowing the learning process to take place, and making sure you know how your clients like information delivered to them.
Coaches, you are going to dig this episode!
Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends...
Related Content:
Eric Schmitt Episode Season 1 Discussing Machine Use
Lee Taft on the Biggest Coaching Mistakes in Speed Training
Lee Taft’s Speed Insiders
Connect with Lee Taft:
Lee Taft Official Website
Basketball Speed Specialist Certification
Instagram @leetaft
Email: [email protected]
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
49:1321/03/2022
S2E6: Debriefing (Effortless) Movement, Mitigating Injury Risk, and Listener Questions with Zac Cupples
Warn your dog, double-reserve the stairmaster, or intentionally drive into traffic because this is a good one that you are NOT gonna want to stop listening to. Tim chats with Mr. Movement Debriefer, old school course reviewer, El Z Mas Gigantico, Big Z, Zac Cupples himself on topics such as;
Is Zac Old Kanye or New Kanye? Would Tim make a good hype man?
Zac’s alternate profession.
The evolution of Zac’s practice and interests over the past year.
Managing the dreaded “Swayback” posture.
Increasing degrees of freedom and appreciating “effortless” movement as a rehabilitation strategy.
Ranges of motion, movement skills, or workload?
Using client goals to drive long term programming decisions.
Structured mobility drills versus unstructured play for ROM improvement.
The value of cultivating non-lifting, non-running movement practices.
Balancing training alone versus leveraging social interaction during team and group training.
Zac’s ninja training and solo wall ball.
Zac and Tim’s “low hanging fruits” in injury prevention for athletes.
Zac’s treatment philosophy in 2 sentences.
Which 25% of how we currently practice might be incorrect?
Rapid Fire and Listener Q&A.
Whether you’re looking to gain a deeper understanding of biomechanics, attempt to contextualize breathing drills within a training program, or simply find out how Zac keeps his head so shiny, this episode has something for YOU! If you enjoyed it, it’d mean the world to Tim and Michelle if you can subscribe, review, or share what they’re doing here.
Show Notes
Zac’s Kettlebell Arm Bar for Shoulder Mobility
The Darkside of the Movement Profession (Tim interviewing Zac Round 1)
Zac’s current facility- Elevate Sports and Performance in LV
ZacCupples.com
Anterior Pelvic Tilt versus Swayback- What’s the Difference?
Spikeball
Connect with Michelle & Tim: @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
01:22:2314/03/2022
S2E5: Finding Exercise Solutions with Dr. Sarah Duvall
We all have clients and athletes that are dealing with some nagging movement issues, so join us in exploring some CORE solutions. Dr. Sarah Duvall joins MTLP to chat about EXERCISE considerations and assessing the whole body to find a SOLUTION. Get ready to improve your coaching tool box with pelvic floor, pressure management, and CORE EXERCISE SOLUTIONS! Physical Therapists and Coaches, you are going to dig this episode! Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends... Related Content: Postural Restoration Institute, Gary Gray: Functional Training, Stuart McGill: Core Training and Low Back Pain, Shirley Sahrmann: Approach to Movement Impairments Connect with Dr. Sarah Duvall: Core Exercise Solutions Website: https://www.coreexercisesolutions.com/ Free Educational Courses: https://www.coreexercisesolutions.com/free-courses/ Blog: https://www.coreexercisesolutions.com/articles/ Instagram @drsarahduvall Connect with Michelle & Tim: @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
55:5707/03/2022
S2E4: Navigating Chaos and Order in Physical Preparation with Joel Smith
Tim sits down with Mr. Elastic himself, the Usain Bolt of the fitness podcasting world, Just Fly Sports Performance’s Joel Smith, for some free flowing discussion pertaining to play, structure, jump training, learning, and engagement. If you’re a trainer or therapist looking to find out the answers to these questions…
How do Joel and Tim approach toe’d out feet in athletes from a health and performance perspective?
What’re the “use cases” of barefoot training and orthotics, respectively?
What’re the easiest ways to integrate plyometric and jump training into the programming of a general population client?
Where does “play” fit in in the context of an athlete’s training session or training week?
Can there be such a thing as “too much” structure in training?
What do machine learning and human motor learning have in common?
What do the terms “ancestral” and “transhumanistic” have anything to do with the world of physical preparation?
What KPIs do Joel and Tim care about MOST in ensuring long term client success?
…then give this episode of the More Train, Less Pain podcast a listen!
Related Content:
@justflysports
https://www.just-fly-sports.com/
Speed Strength
Elastic Essentials
The Reactive Strength Index
Adarian Barr, Rafe Kelley
58:0128/02/2022
S2E3: Programmapalooza: Michelle Goes SOLO with Dr. Campo
Ninja rolling, kickstand deadlifts, bunny hops, and reverse skips- Oh My! In this episode, Michelle gets into the real nitty gritty with her coach, Dr. Mike Camporini. Campo answers questions about programming for Michelle and dives into very specific detail about exercise selection. They discuss highlighting adaptations, how to provide intense exercise while considering movement qualities, the complexity of pain and/or limitations, how to be patient with your results, and what gaining a wide range of exercise options means. This episode is all about exercise selection, technique, and intent.
You are going to dig this episode! Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends... Related Content: Justin Moore @jmsb_strengthtraining Connect with Campo: Instagram @campo_dpt, Email [email protected] Connect with Michelle & Tim: @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
01:04:3421/02/2022
S2E2: David Grey on “Feet Out”, Sensorimotor Training, and Sausage Dogs
Join David Grey and Tim as they hop on the magic biomechanical school bus of learning to attempt to parse out exactly how important straight feet are with running, the silliness of the “knees out” cue with squatting, integrating floor-based respiration drills with serious weight room s^%t, and a deep dive into the Standard Irish diet.
Show notes
0:00 Portugal Holidays, wiener dogs, and the angry doge
2:55 Does foot turn out give you diabetes?
12:30 Remote client assessment and the prioritization of treatment strategies
22:00 “Straight feet” is “knees out” and “knees out” is “straight feet”
30:00 Integrating strength/power drills with sensorimotor activities
40:00 Comprehensive program design
47:30 The tradeoff of weight room strength
51:00 NOT plugging lower body basics
59:36 The secrets of IG marketing for rehab pros
65:00 Just kidding, it’s consistency
66:45 The Irish food pyramid
David Grey IG @davidgreyrehab David Grey website https://davidgreyrehab.com/
Connect with Michelle & Tim: @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
01:13:5914/02/2022
S2E1: The Random Show Season 2 Kickoff
We are BACK! Season 2 kicks off with Michelle and Tim running through some random topics such as huge life changes since Season 1 ended, new interests, thoughts on micro dosing, and all things to get you training more in less pain. Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends... Related Content: Dr. Mike Camporini, Eric Schmitt, Quadrant System by Daniel Bove, Cory Schlesinger, & Joel Smith Just Fly Performance Podcast Episode #280. Connect with Michelle & Tim: @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
53:0107/02/2022
S1E16: Tequilathon: Season One Throughlines & Takeaways
Shed a tear and drink a tequila along with Michelle and Tim as they bid farewell to Season One of More Train, Less Pain. They’ll each count down their Top 3 “Throughlines and Takeaways” from the incredible guests they’ve been joined by thus far, as well as inject the usual degree of nonsense in the form of “Season One Superlatives”.
What habits, tactics, and thought-processes got repeated over and over by multiple leaders in the fields of S&C and PT? What topics were most impactful to Michelle and Tim’s respective practices? What Season One guest would they LEAST like to face in an impromptu, back-alley powerlifting meet? All these questions (and MORE) answered on the FINAL episode of Season 1 of More Train, Less Pain; Engineering the Adaptable Athlete.
59:4930/05/2021
S1E15: Total Request (not) Live; Listener Q&A
Get ready for some MUCH anticipated Q&A. Fine listeners from all over the world have submitted excellent Q’s. Michelle and Tim do their damndest to A ‘em. On this episode they’ll tackle such topics as;
K-tape
Overdoing fitness
Making rehab fun (again!)
Over-complicating strength and conditioning
The SFMA
Managing contradictory treatment models
Desert island exercise(s)
How to MENTOR
Michelle’s bench press numbers
If you’ve liked Season 1 of More Train, Less Pain thus far, you’ll LOVE this episode. Tune in next week for the SEASON ONE FINALE, which will be the premier of both “Boozy Podcasting” AND “Season Superlatives”.
57:5424/05/2021
S1E14: Programmapalooza! Michelle goes SOLO with Erik Huddleston
Oscillatory isometrics, curtsy lunges, load placement, and asymmetrical respiratory cueing- Oh My!
In this episode, Michelle leaves Tim behind and goes SOLO to get into the real nitty gritty with her coach and Director of Performance at IFast, Erik Huddleston.
Erik answers specific questions about programming for Michelle and they dive into four phases of training. They discuss the benefits of coaches having coaches, how question prompting is an opportunity to learn, overall views towards program design, and specific exercise execution. You are going to dig this episode!
Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends...
01:13:2317/05/2021
S1E13: Darkside of the Movement Profession, Tim SOLO with Zac Cupples on THE Zac Cupples Show
Michelle and Tim here! On this episode Tim flies solo AGAIN with the man, the legend, the LARGEST of Z’s, Dr. Zac Cupples. Tim and Zac discuss how improving movement options is legit, but at what cost? We know that this breathing stuff works, but are there drawbacks to this approach? Can we really make the changes “stick?”
Tim and Zac also sift through, How Zac structures his own training, What's better, time management or energy management?, What is Zac’s biggest failure?, The dichotomy of the type A personality, Movement behaviors: How do we get them to "stick", The dark side of internal cueing, AND the best way to communicate effectively to clients.
Get ready to enter the darkside to all this movement stuff…Subscribe, download, listen, and learn!
53:1410/05/2021
S1E12: Sustaining Success and Engineering Optimal Development with Dr. Fergus Connolly
Michelle and Tim are joined by THE Fergus Connolly, expert in all things team performance, consultant to professional sports organizations and tech companies alike, and author of 59 Lessons, The Happiness Handbook, and Game Changer.
They discuss Fergus’s personal exercise habits, the importance of choosing the RIGHT key performance indicators, the pitfalls of being overly “objective” with sport metric tracking, sustaining success in sport and life, and the value of “safe-to-fail” learning environments.
If you’re a movement professional looking to better understand WHICH data matters, this is the episode for you. If you’re a member of an organization looking to inspire cultural change for the better, this is the episode for you. If you’re simply a human looking to interact better with your fellow humans, THIS IS THE EPISODE FOR YOU.
This is also the episode for you if you enjoy Irish accents (who doesn’t?). Subscribe, download, listen, and learn!
01:07:4803/05/2021
S1E11: Tim goes SOLO with Dr. Mike Camporini: Back Squats are NOT the Devil, and Hip Internal Rotation is so Much MORE than What’s Taught in School
Join Tim and special guest Michael Camporini, of “Campo Deadlift” and “Camporini Angle” fame, as they chat about their own training practices, the demonization of back squatting, and the utility of having a “wide-angle” viewpoint with which to view, and intervene on, client/patient motion. For any clinician frustrated about trying to improve stubborn hip internal rotation, this one’s a “must-listen”. Listen to the end to find out Dr. Camporini’s next exciting career pivot.
Show Notes:
Campo/Justin Moore Just Fly sports performance podcast
https://www.just-fly-sports.com/podcast-241-campo-moore/
MASS
https://shop.rebel-performance.com/products/pat-davidson-mass-2
Justin Moore IG
https://www.instagram.com/jmsb_strengthtraining/
David Grey IG
https://www.instagram.com/davidgreyrehab/
Campo.DPT
https://www.instagram.com/campo_dpt/
01:19:3326/04/2021
S1E10: Flywheels, Barbellphobia, and Defending the Supple Leopard with Dr. Steph Allen
Michelle and Tim are joined by none other than runner-turned-powerlifter, ACL-rehab-encylopedia, youth-injury-management-expert, and PT with the most trained solei on the east coast, the one, the only, DR. STEPH ALLEN!
They pow-wow about her own training practices, Tim’s inability to understand how “show notes” work, the variable response to heavy barbell training of different genders and populations, objective strength testing as return-to-sport criteria, and frustration with the academic institution at large.
If you’re looking to level up (pun-intended) as a coach or clinician, this is the episode for you!
01:17:0519/04/2021
S1E9: Preparing the Backcountry Athlete with Todd Bumgardner
Michelle and Tim are joined by expert human, decent predator, and mediocre pack mule, Todd Bumgardner to chat about getting winded walking up the hills of Central Pennsylvania, disappearing into the Alaskan bush for weeks at a time, and designing training programs for hunters and tactical athletes. Along the way, they foray into topics like;
How most backcountry athletes “mess up” their physical preparation
Learning to “let go” of strength goals to develop a more well-rounded human
The immense and understated value of low level aerobic training
Pack your water purification tablets and compass, because this is one intellectual journey you WON’T want to miss.
01:04:2312/04/2021
S1E8: The Top 3 Ways Athletes Mess Up Return to Sport; When “Do No Harm” Falls Short, with Dr. Nicole Surdyka
We’re lucky enough to be joined by soccer-injury-management authority and rear-foot-elevated-split squat aficionado Dr. Nicole Surdyka! We talk about her own training amongst her move into professional soccer, the optimization of risk/reward in both programming and exercise selection for athletes, and count things down with all the ways we see people mess up “return to sport” scenarios.
This one’s a doozy. Tell work you’ll be in late, brew a nice cup of tea, slap your headphones on, learn, and enjoy!
01:09:4705/04/2021
S1E7: Bioenergetics and Strength-Endurance in the NBA with Eric Schmitt
Michelle and Tim get schooled by Eric Schmitt, Head Strength & Conditioning Coach for THE Memphis Grizzlies, on all things strength endurance, movement screens, energy system development, continued learning, and MORE. If you’re a coach or trainer looking to use the lessons of an NBA S&C professional to further develop your own practice, this is the episode for YOU.
01:24:1928/03/2021
S1E6: Dr. Seth Oberst on Unobstructed Self Expression and State Variability
They’ve done it again!!! Strength and rehab dream team Michelle and Tim bring on Dr. Seth Oberst; THE authority on all things self-regulation, variability, and defense responses. They chat about managing both OVER and UNDER-stressed athletes, the magic of attunement, and how Seth structures his own training. If you’re a human who works with other humans that either train OR are in pain (or both), this show is for YOU. Give it a listen, and enjoy!
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01:53:0722/03/2021
S1E5: The Adaptable Athlete with Dr. Jarred Boyd
Join Michelle and Tim as they venture out of the proverbial podcasting womb and record their FIRST guest episode recording with none other than truth-bomb-dropper and tendon rehab superstar, Dr. Jarred Boyd of the Memphis Grizzlies. They talk Jarred’s own workouts. They talk dynamic correspondence. They talk psychological profiles and emotionally variable states of the performance elite. You’re gonna like the way they sound, I guarantee it.
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01:22:3015/03/2021
S1E4: What PRI Got Right
Join Michelle and Tim as they pay their respects to the Postural Restoration Institute. They talk about how PRI has influenced their careers, lines of thinking, and methodology that has inspired them to explore more, elements of PRI that inform their programming and decisions, and how they see it misapplied.
Tim will give you a drunk history version on what PRI stands for, who they are, and what they do, while Michelle goes on a caffeine-induced rant about the possible limitations of a ‘PRI purist’ mindset. Tim and Michelle have no affiliation with PRI and will not be laying out any secret course information, just merely expressing gratitude towards how PRI has influenced their practices.
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If you want to learn more about PRI, we highly recommend signing up RIGHT NOW for a course at posturalrestoration.com/programs-courses
01:09:4008/03/2021
S1E3: The Top 3 Things We’ve Changed Our Minds About in the Past 5 Years with Tony Gentilcore
The dynamic duo brings on Tony Gentilcore, the cooler big brother of the Strength and Conditioning World, to count down “The Top 3 Things We’ve Changed Our Minds About in the Past 5 Years”. Whether you’re a fan of rehabilitation semantics, submaximal training, or obscure 1980s Superman movie references, this show’s got something for you. BONUS CONTENT; stick around for the back half, where Michelle and Tony solve all personal trainer’s financial problems in 30 minutes.
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01:45:2728/02/2021
S1E2: Models; SO Much More Than Selling Fit Tea on Instagram
Dr. Michelle Boland and Dr. Tim Richardt discuss how models and principles are useful, explain their own unique models within their physical therapy and fitness services, and provide you with actual application strategies using models within day-to-day decisions.
Models provide a structure to follow and a feedback loop for the process of how to take your clients and athletes from ‘where they currently are’ to ‘where they want to be’, so they are MUCH more effective than selling Fit Tea on Instagram.
Michelle and Tim also discuss the professionals who have influenced their careers and how their experiences have led them to utilize models and principles within their practices.
Links for People Mentioned:
Kelly Starrett ‘The Ready State’ YouTube
Pat Davidson Instagram @dr.patdavidson
Bill Hartman Instagram @billhartmanpt
Michelle Boland Instagram @dr.michelleboland
Tim Richardt Instagram @tim_richardt_dpt
52:4422/02/2021
S1E1: The Obligatory Introduction
Welcome to the More Train, Less Pain podcast with Dr. Michelle Boland and Dr. Tim Richardt. Our podcast is specifically designed around engineering the adaptable athlete.
This is our obligatory “introduction” episode, where we’ll be briefly discussing who we are, why we’re making this, and what you can expect from season 1 of More Train, Less Pain.
Links of Interest:
Michelle on Instagram
Tim on Instagram
More Train, Less Pain Page
Be sure to subscribe to the show and leave a review!
06:2612/02/2021