If you're struggling with difficult times, as most of us are; this is one tool I learned from Tony that's been helping me a ton. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to The Marketing Secrets podcast. Today, I want to go a little Tony Robbins on you if you're okay with that. We've been dealing with some hard things and something I learned from Tony about, man, eight or nine years ago has helped me and I want to share with you guys as well. All right. So I'm not going to go to specifics, but I think everybody, especially in the last year, has gone through hard things, challenges, things that are frustrating. Things don't make sense. Things make you angry, things that make you sad. And it's hard. Anyway, I think for the most part, most of the stuff I talk about is the fun stuff and the exciting things. And I think that maybe the positives and the negatives of social media and all the things we do is that usually we share a highlight reel, which hopefully inspires people and things like that. But there's also the other side we don't talk about as often, but it's there. And we've had a lot of, I think like everybody, a lot of ups and downs, especially over the last 12 months or so, but we recently had one that's been the toughest by far. Again, I'm not going to talk about the details at all, but as my family, I've been kind of navigating this and going through it. The one thing that keeps coming back to me is it's interesting. It's this thing that I learned from Tony Robbins very first time I went to UPW. So I didn't know how long ago it was. It was over 10, maybe 12, probably 12 years ago. Dang. Anyway, so that the time I was at UPW was actually, it was right after Jim Rowan had just passed away, which was interesting. And Jim Rowan was Tony Robbins' first mentor and he passed away and the event was like three days later. And so we're at this event and of course, Tony starts talking about his mentor who just passed away. And he talks about how obviously how sad it was for them. And then he started talking about this concept and he expounded on it at other events I went to. He talked about the meaning that we attach to things. And it was interesting because so many of us experienced the same things, right. But the meaning that we attach to things is how we end up feeling and how we cope with things. Right? And so, for example, he said, when Jim Rowan first passed away, his first year, the first initial news and your mind automatically attaches a meaning to it, right? Here's the news, boom, here's the meaning and the whatever meaning is attached to it, that's how you feel about situations. He said, by default, the meaning he got was like, "Oh my gosh, my mentor died. This is so sad. Like I wish I could have talked to him. I wish..." And all these things. Right. And this was meaning is that this thing is so sad and so hard. And it's because of it, it was hard. He's like, for the first couple of days, I struggled, I was really struggling, but he's like, as I stopped and I was able to sit back, I started noticing like, what was the meaning that I put to this? Like the, his death and like the meeting was man, I wasn't ready for him to go. You know, it was too early. all these things like, that was the meeting that my, that my brain by default attaches. And because I was able to step away and become conscious of meaning that attached. I was able to think about well, what meaning would I like to attach to this event? I can change the meaning. And so he sat back and he said, "I'm going to change the meaning." And instead of saying, "This is such a horrible thing. I'm like going to change the meaning. It means like, man, I'm so grateful for the time I had with him. I'm so grateful things I learned from him, such an amazing man." And he lived such a great life, like how amazing it was. And so he shifted the meeting. "When I shifted the meaning, like the feeling was different. And I went from being sad to being like, man, this is such a, I was so grateful for this person." And again this is just a tiny little shift, but so powerful. And as I've been experiencing dealing with things over the last little while, I've been trying to be more conscious of what things in my brain... What's the meaning that my brain attaches by default when an experience happens. And typically when it's a sad or a tragic or a hard experience, your brain defaults to like the worst thing, right. Boom, with slapping that label on, slapping that meaning. And if you can learn ow, to step back from the initial, what your brain quickly labels something on, you can shift things, right? Like for example, someone walks up to you and they slap you in the face. Like the meeting is going to attach like this person just slapped me. I'm going to slap them back and boom. And all of a sudden, like the scuffle happens, right. But if this is a slap in the face, you stop, you like, what's the meaning? Why did they do that? What's the purpose of being like, "Oh my gosh, the person slapped me because they thought that... Whatever." And it's like, you come back. No, no, wait, let me explain and you can diffuse the situation. You can change it by shifting the meaning that you're attaching to it. And something that Tony talked about later, it was a date with destiny, he talked about becoming a master meaning maker. So what's the meaning you're going to attach, like making the meaning. And so you start dissociating yourself from like the thing that your brain immediately attaches and saying, "Okay, experience happens. It's stopping." What's the meaning that you choose to apply to this situation, this event that just happened. Right? And now you apply different meaning. And it's like, "Oh." And I know for me, like man, especially social media and all social media triggers all of us, right. Where you see something, you see somebody post something and all the triggers start happening and you start firing your brain. You want to like, duh, unleash your wrath upon them in the comments. And what I've been trying to do really quickly is stop and looking and saying, "Okay, I'm going to assume that this person has really good intentions when they're posting. I may not agree with it but I do agree that most people do things out of good intentions, even if I feel they're misguided or whatever, but they have good intentions." Right? I believe politically, people on the left and the right and in the middle and all sorts of all that they say, everyone's acting out of good intentions. They're all doing what they think is right. Even though I think some people are completely wrong, it doesn't matter. They think I'm completely wrong. Right. And so it's like when they post something, I have the meaning of like, "Oh, they're evil, they're bad." Like that's the initial default that has come back saying, "Wait, wait." Instead, what if I attach the meaning that person has the good intentions. And I may not agree with them, but they're doing the best based on what they think is right. Right. And then we see, it's like how people parent, how people vote, how people, all these things. And it's tough because we want to fight. We want to be right. What I've been trying to do a step back and not default comment, not default fight back, but instead come back, say, okay, the meaning attached to that person's comment, it's not that they're dumb or they're wrong or they're whatever. It's just like, that person thinks that they're doing what's best for them. They have good intentions. I love them for the fact that they're doing their best based on the knowledge they have. And it's hard. I'm going to tell you, it's hard. I'm sure all you guys struggle with that. But for me, it's what I'm trying to do for a lot of reasons. One is it's keeping my sanity on somethings. Number two, it's helping me to be happier through these hard times. Right. Something tragic and horrible happens, it's okay, there's different meanings we can attach to this. It's not fair. It's why did it have to happen? Why did we... All these things or can make man what's the blessing, what's the shift? What's the thing we can change. And so I know it's not an easy thing. This is not something that's going to be like, Oh cool. I'll just start applying different meetings by default. But I do promise you that in most situations, our brains will slap the worst possible meaning on every situation. And if we can look at that and stop and pause and become conscious of it and step back and say, "Okay, I'm going to choose a different meaning. This is the meaning I'm going to attach instead." Is that this person confused, they slapped me because they didn't know who I was. They thought I was the wrong person, or they didn't understand the situation. Let me step back instead of punching them back and escalating this thing into a blood bath, which is actually fun. I'm all for fighting, but... I'm just kidding. Instead is come back and say, "Well, okay, they attached the wrong me. That's why they did this thing. Let me try to help them understand." I didn't, and coming back, we have an argument, I wasn't trying to be rude. This is the meaning that I attach to this and this is the reason, and this is why. Anyway, I hope that helps. I'll share this with my mom this last week. So obviously there's this whole, in the COVID situation, there's all these things, the vaccines. And my mom and I have very differing opinions on the vaccine and what you should do and what you should not do. And I'm not going to get political or talk like ... It's up to everybody individually, do your own research and figure out what's right for you. Right. But my mom and I definitely have different opinions on it. And she's very strong at one side, I'm very strong in the other side. And so we had this conversation and, in a spot where I wanted to get defensive and I wanted to try to point out my point of view and, try to prove through all my facts and all the logic and reasoning I have. I'm sure she wanted to do the same thing. When she told me and I was able to understand, she's doing this based on what she thinks is best for her and her best intentions. And I have to let her. I have to respect that. That's her decisions. It's not my decisions. And if I want her to love and respect my decisions, I need to respect hers. And so it was able to turn something that had probably a conversation that would have turned heated, frustrated, and probably burned some bridges for awhile into something where it's like, "Look, I love you and respect you, and I'm going to let you do what you feel is best. I'm going to do what I feel is best. And we can still love each other, respect each other." And the meaning is not like, "Oh, this person's dumb or they're wrong." Or they're whatever you want it by default want to attach to the situation, which makes me want to come fight and, and argue and all sorts of stuff. It shifted back to like, no, instead of that, the meaning is going to attach that this is what they feel is best for them. And I love them and I want them... And maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Maybe I'm not wrong. I don't think I'm wrong, but it's their opinion. It's what they think is best for them. And so I'm going to love them and respect them for that and support them and just pray for them. And that's kind of it. So, anyway, I know this is a little different podcast episode, but I just wanted to give you guys that tool because something that's been helping me a lot, especially the last week or so. And yeah, it's just so as we're navigating these difficult times, any tools we can use help and learning about meaning and how to create your own, becoming a master of creating your own meanings, I learned from Tony a decade ago now, something that I'm using more and more, and it's been super helpful for me. So I hope that helps. Remember that your brain is going to slap a meaning on it. By default, it's going to be the worst possible one that's going to cause you to want to fight or flight or whatever that thing is. It's like your job to consciously stop and pick the meaning, pick the meaning that serves you the most, not the one that's going to cause the most turmoil in your life. And when you shift the meaning, it's just shifts the energy, it shifts the focus, and it can change your destiny. So hope it helps you guys. I appreciate you all. Thanks for listening. If you haven't studied everything Tony's ever put out, please do it. It'll make you better. It'll make you happier. It'll make life so much more full. I promise you, it has been for me. I'm grateful for him and his teachings. And that said appreciate you guys and good luck learning how to attach your own meanings to things. Thanks again. We'll talk soon. Hey, this is Russell again and earlier today I recorded the podcast about meaning and I just been thinking a lot about that over the last little bit. And just wanted to jump back in real quick and just add a couple more thoughts just for those who may not, maybe it didn't connect with yet because I wasn't very good at giving examples. I'm thinking more about, like some examples. I think about meaning in my life that I attach. For example, when my kids do something on my attach, like, "Oh, like I'm a bad dad because of that." Or my kids are lazy or all these different things we may attach, and a lot of times we beat ourselves up or beat other people up because we're attaching these meanings to different experiences and things that are happening. When instead of saying again, "Oh, I'm a bad dad." It's like, Oh, my kids are just, they have a lot of energy or I need to, how do I better explain this to them so they understand that importance of it or whatever that thing might be. Right. It's just shifting that, that meaning away from a lot of times the blame on us or blame on other people or opinions or judgments on other people to have more love and respect and understanding that everybody's kind of trying their best. And so I just want to kind of add that in there. I was thinking also I shared the conversation a little bit with my mom and I. And it's interesting because on her side, she's sharing me her thoughts and she's so emotional because she's scared for me because of my decisions. And I'm very scared for her because of her decisions. And so we have the same underlining fear for each other. Yet, we have the opposite beliefs on the topic. And so it's tough. And it's hard when both people are trying to do the right thing. Right. And so coming back and when the meaning becomes like hey this person really loves me and they really care, and this is their choices and that's what they feel is right. And I have to respect them. And I love them for that. I'm just like, I'm hoping that they will do the same thing for me. It's just shifting those meanings. So anyway, I just want to kind of add that in there for anybody who's trying to make it more real for themselves and think about it. Think about the times in your life, when you feel guilty, I'm a bad mom, I'm a bad dad. I'm a bad boss. I'm a bad employee. I'm a bad worker. I'm, all the guilt that we take on ourselves because we all do it and shifting that meaning, it's something different. So anyway, there's my addendum to the end of the podcast. I hope that helps shed a little bit more light. Anyway. Thanks for listening. Appreciate you all and we'll talk soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last night I taught the youth of our church how to set goals. I want to show you the insights of what I taught them. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today I want to talk to you guys about a really cool experience I had yesterday, that hopefully will help you with setting your goals, creating some routines, and ultimately getting the thing that you desire most in this life. All right. I hope you guys are doing awesome today. Thanks again for listening. I always appreciate the fact that you guys are here and you're paying attention, because you know what? I could be talking to myself right now, and I'm grateful for my audience at all times. But I want to tell you guys a really cool story. So in my church, I’m assuming most churches are like this, but we have a youth program, right? For the young men and the young women, and we're always trying to figure out, what are cool ways to help them and to serve them? And I was lucky, I got asked a couple months ago from one of the leaders of our church who asked if I'd be willing to come and speak to the youth about goal setting. And they're like, "You do seminars and stuff, right? Can you come teach on goal setting?" I was like, "I do, do seminars, I've never really taught on goal setting, but I definitely am a big believer in that and I would love to come and speak." And so, last night I had a chance to actually do it and it was such a cool experience. There about 100 kids there, including my three teenagers, which was awesome. And then I got to do this thing. And obviously it ended being about a two hour session. We helped them to pick goals in four different areas of their life. We helped them pick goals. A physical goal, an intellectual goal, a social goal, and a spiritual goal. And so, that was the thing. So I talked initially about goals and I tried to get them excited. I had one person who goes to church with us who basically said, "Goal setting's boring. Kids aren't going to want to hear about this." And I was like, "Are you kidding me? Goal setting is the greatest thing in the world. You can pick anything, and then you can go set a goal and then if you have the right process and the right path, you can achieve it." And I was thinking when I was in high school, I wanted to be State champ and I actually was a really bad wrestler, but I was like, "I want this goal." And so, I had the goal and I created a process. And by my junior year I became the State champ. My senior year, I took second place in the nation. I went into wrestling in college, all these things, right? When I started my business, I was like, "I want to make a million dollars." And I didn't know anything about business but I was like, "All right, I have a goal. Now that I have a goal let we reverse engineer. How do I actually have success with this goal?" And then I went and I executed on it and I had success with it, right? Same thing when I decided I'm going to be an author. Like, "But Russell, you suck at writing." Like, "Oh crap, that's true." "And you've never written a book." "Oh yeah, that's true too." But I wanted to write a book, so I set a goal, I'm going to write a book. And then I went and I figured it out and I created a process and I wrote a book. And then I was like, "I want to be a New York Times best-selling author." They're like, "But you don't know how to do that." I'm like, "I know, but I have a goal. So let me figure it out." And now this last year I hit that. So when we started the event business I was like, "I want to be the biggest event in our industry." "But you don't know how to run an event." "I know, but this is the goal I have." So anything you want, if you know the right way to set a goal and how to do it, you can achieve it. And so, that's what we talked about last night with them and it was really, really fun. And obviously, it's tough because they're youth and I got an hour and a half, I could literally do a three day event on this and it would be fascinating and fun, well it'd be fascinating for me. So I was trying to figure out how do I do this in a way that would get them excited and motivated? I'm not going to make these kids fall asleep and not embarrass my kids in front of their friends, so that was the criteria. And it's funny because, man, I prepared a lot for it. I was even more nervous for this event than I am normally a marketing event. And I think it's because of first off, kids and second off, my kids were there and I didn't want to embarrass them, so I was nervous, but I think it turned out really good. So I obviously don't have two hours to go through everything with you, but I wanted to share a couple of things that we did because I think it'll be helpful for you guys as you're setting your goals. Because I strongly believe that if you have a goal and you are excited by it enough, you can figure it out, okay? So like I said, what we did initially is we broke things into four different categories. A physical goal, intellectual, social, and a spiritual goal. And so, the first thing I asked them was "What is the goal you actually want?" So let's say we started with the physical goal. So I was like: "Okay, what's the goal you want?" And so, I was talking about my physical goal. I want to look like the dude who plays Captain America. That guy looks awesome, right? There's my goal, so that's the first thing. Then I was like it has to be something that is trackable, right? So saying, "I want to look awesome," is hard, but saying, "I want to gain 20 pounds. I want to lose 20 pounds." Something that you can actually say, there's the finish line where you can see it and you can check it off. When I was in high school I was like, "I want to be a State champ." There's the finish line. I need to see the finish line or else a goal is just like, "Oh, I want to be healthier." What does that even mean? Eat celery once a month? Technically you're healthier. That's not a goal, right? A goal is something very, very trackable where it's like, "There's an end date that if I do this thing, I cross the finish line and I get my hand raised. I did the thing, I got the goal," so that's the first thing is making a tangible goal of what you want. Number two is looking at well why do you want to actually achieve that goal? Okay. You've heard a lot of people, there's books and courses talking about your why, you got to have a why, why you're doing it, right? And while I think most of those courses are cheesy, personally, that's just me. But it is true though. If I was like, "I want to be State champ." "Why?" "I don't know." Then I'm not probably going to get it. If I was like, "I want to be State champ because I saw another person win State title. I saw their hand get raised. I saw that feeling. I saw the look in their eyes and I desire that, I want that. I want to experience that. I want to feel what it feels like to get my hand raised. I don't know what it is, but I can see it. I can visualize it, I can taste it and I want that." So the second question is, why do you want that goal? Okay. So what's the goal that's trackable and then why do you want it? And the more intense your why is the more likely you are to get it. In fact, right now, at the time of recording this, we're in the middle of Two Comma Club live and one of my friends, who’s one of the wrestling coaches with me, has been going through it, and he messaged me during the lunch break and he said, "Man, I just watched the commercial you guys had with Two Comma Club board and people opening their boxes." And he's like, "I started crying." And he starts talking to me, he gets emotional again. And then he messaged me two hours later, he's like, "I'm so sorry, I got emotional, I didn't mean to do that." I'm like, "No, dude, that's the key." He's been around me for three years now, four years now and he's been going through the stuff and he wanted it. He had a goal like, "Oh yeah, I want to hit Two Comma Club, it sounds good." But his why wasn't big enough, right? After he felt that and he saw that, right? To the point where he was emotional. Now his why just got amplified. The desire increased. You've got to have that desire or else it's just like, "Oh yeah, I want to get six pack abs." But unless you have the why that increases the desire, then what's the point of it? You're not going to go after it, you're not going to do what you need to do to actually accomplish the goal. So the second question is why do you need to achieve that? And then because we're in a church setting I also had this followup question there that said, "How would that help you become more like Jesus Christ?" Which for, I think anyone, whether you're Christian or not, that's a good question. He's the great example, he's the best example that's ever lived on this planet. It's like, "How would accomplishing the goal help me grow closer to him?" So that's a sub question. All right, so number one, what is your goal? Number two is why you want to achieve the goal. The number three is who's going to be your guide? Who's already achieved that goal, right? If I want to get six pack abs, I want to look like Chris Evans from Captain America, that dude's already done it before. So I'm not going to just be like, "Okay, well I'm going to go try to figure it out." I'm going to be like, "Who's the dude or the lady who's already achieved this goal, that already has a roadmap, that already has a blueprint, that already has a framework, that already has the thing that I can do? And I'm going to find that person and I'm going to model them," right? If they've written a book, I'm going to read the book. If they made a YouTube video I'm going to watch the YouTube video, if I can talk to them on the phone, I'm going to talk to them on the phone. Who is the person that can be my guide? I don't want to go and just wander aimlessly into the night, right? That happens all the time. People set goals like, "I'm going to go and make a million bucks." And they jump online and they start goofing around, they'll do anything. It's like, "Man, if you honestly have a goal to hit Two Comma Club, you should join our Two Comma Coaching Program, because literally we have a framework. This works for over 1,000 people." You'd be insane not too but people are like, "Oh, I'm just going to figure out my own." Why would you do that? Do you hate success so bad you're going to just wander around and hope to figure out the way. It's like, you're out in the forest and there's a dude who's like, "I got a map that could to take you guys out." You're like, "I'll figure it out, I'm good." Why don't you just take the map? Are you insane? Just grab the map. It's right here. Okay, so the third step is who's got the map? Get the map, figure out whose got the process, who's your guide, who's already done this in the past and follow a framework. Don't just make the thing up on your own. Don't just guess, okay? So who's your guide? And then the third step is how are you going to do it? I want to win the State title, I want to get six pack abs, I want to hit Two Comma Club, I want to, whatever your thing is, right? This measurable goal, okay? Then there's always sub goals that lead underneath it. And these sub goals are more routine based. So for example, let's say it was wrestling, I want to be State champion in wrestling, okay? What were my sub things I had to do to accomplish that? Well, it means I have to lift weights. I got to get started on this, so I got to lift weights every single day. What's another thing? Okay, my cardio has got to be in shape, I got to run, so I'm going to do cardio. Number three, I got to wrestle a lot. Number four, I get my nutrition right, so I have my health. I list out here's all the sub things I need to do to accomplish that major goal, okay? So here's the sub things. If it was Two Comma Club, if I wanted to do Two Comma Club, what would I do? Okay, well, every single day I got to be publishing something. So I got to publish something. Russel's says publish daily, I got to publish something. Number two, I got to be creating offers. What's the offer I'm going to create? What are the offers… I’ve  got to be creating offers. Number three, I need to be driving traffic, I need to be getting on people's podcasts, I need to be getting interviewed, I need to be doing stuff, right? So I figure out what are the steps? What are the sub things you need to actually be successful? So list those out. Okay. Then I had everybody go down and say, "Okay, what's the date that you're going to accomplish this by?" You need to have a tangible date?" Like, "Oh yeah, I'm going to win the State title." "When?" "I don't know, someday." "I'm going to get Two Comma Club." "When?" "I don't know, someday." You need to make a date, so you got something you're marching towards. I need to hit Two Comma Club before Funnel Hacking Live, right? Funnel Hacking Live 2022, whatever that is. You pick a tangible date. This is the date that I will hit that thing. Set the date, and then after that I was like, "How are you to celebrate after you achieve it?" Okay? Because there's always like the stick in the carrot, right? The stick is the thing that's going to kick your butt and move you forward. That's the goals, that's the routines, that's all the stuff that’s going to be pushing you forward. But then the carrot at the end is the thing that's driving and saying, "Oh, I want that." For me, I wanted to win a State title because I wanted to get my hand raised, that feeling, I wanted that, right? A lot of you guys want the Two Comma Club, you want to get the award on stage, right? Six pack abs, I want to take my shirt off and have my wife be like, "Dang, I want to wash my clothes on your abs," right? Whatever that thing is for you. But how are you going to celebrate? Okay, so I attach the date to the goal and how I'm going to celebrate. All right, and after that was done, then I handed out everybody this weekly schedule and I printed them out on a paper. Basically it was Monday through Sunday and it has all the columns. We build stuff in Excel sheets, so there's a Monday column, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then down the side or the times. So 5:30 AM, 6, 6:30, 7, 7:30. So there's all of these sales down the side, Excel style, right? All the way down until 11:30 PM. So we hand this thing out. So it was a big, huge grid of every hour of the week. I said, "Okay, for you to actually be successful, how can people set New Year's resolutions, New Year's goals and they come in on January 2nd and there's 8,000 people in the gym and you come in February 2nd and there's no one in the gym," right? Because no one sticks to their goals. And the reason why is because they had these lofty goals like, "Oh, I'm going to get in shape," but they're not tangible. They're not tracked, they have no why, they're not following any guide and they don't have those sub steps to do it. So you guys have these things now, you have these sub steps, you take the sub steps and you plug them into a routine." Okay? When I was wrestling, I knew that if I was going to be in successful wrestling, I couldn't just hopefully hit and miss things and hopefully have success. I said, "Okay, if I'm to be successful, I have to run every morning. So I took my my little routine calendar out and I said, 'Every morning at whatever, from 6 to 7:00 AM, this is my running time.' And I block out those hours and they became sacred time to me." From 6 to 7:00 AM I am running and nothing else, right? And then I said, "Okay, I have practice every day from two to five. So two to five's blocked out. This is wrestling practice, I'm going to work on my skillset." And then I said, "Okay, from five to six, my dad's coming and we're drilling, actual drilling and then over here, this is what I'm going to be doing." And I blocked out those times on my calendar that became sacred time where every single day I'd wake up and I didn't to think, I said, "Okay, boom, 6 o'clock. This what I do to achieve. If I want to get that goal, this is the daily tasks I have to do to achieve that goal." Right? And I mapped it out, it was blocked out of my calendar, it was sacred. And so, with these kids, I did the same thing, I said, "Okay, you got your physical, your intellectual or social and spiritual goals. What are the things you need to block out on your calendar, right? If you have spiritual goals, you got to read scriptures every day. So plug it in. If you got to do whatever every day, you're plugging it in. If you're publishing content every day, right? Okay, every day I'm recording a podcast. You block out time. Every day at 6:30 I know I'm recording a podcast. That's sacred time and I'm not messing with it." So I had them do this on this piece of paper so they could see it visually and I said, "Okay, now go back into your phone, on your calendar and plug those times into your calendar on your phone, now you've got them. Now that they're plugged in and you've got them, the phone will pop up every day and be like, 'Hey, time to go do this thing.' And you can actually do the things." And I said, "Building out the routines are the things that make it so that all the stuff starts flowing up, so you can actually reach and achieve your goal eventually." And so, that's the framework that we gave people. And then the last thing I did is I said, "Okay, the other thing you got to do is once a week, you got to have a return and report with yourself, like a reflection time where you're coming back and saying, 'How'd I do?'" Okay? The reality that's going to probably happen is after the first seven days you're done, you sit down and you're like, "Okay. I told myself I was going to publish every single day. I literally didn't. I did it two days this week or I did it once, that sucks, but next week I'm going to recommit. I'm going to do better." You look back at your calendar and you say, "Okay, I'm going to recommit, I'm going to do better this time." You rebuild it out, okay, now we're going to do it. And that becomes the next thing. And then next week you come back and you look at your calendar, "How'd I do? Well, I did three days this week, but I didn't do the seven like I promised myself, okay, that's all right. I'm going to recommit and start over again." And you keep looking at it. Every week you make the adjustments like, how did I do on my times? How am I feeling? Did I do enough stuff? Did I not do enough stuff? What do I need to tweak? Every seven days you have the chance to rebuild, come back and refix that the thing and just keep going and keep doing that consistently, what's going to happen is the first week, you're not going to see many changes. Within a month you may start feeling some things, within 6 months, within in a year, within 5 years, within 10 years, your destiny will be different. That's the key. So anyway, I wish I could do this with the work sheets and handouts with you guys because it'd be more impactful, but I wanted to show you guys that because that's how I set my goals. It's not just a lofty goal, right? "Russell, what are your goals?" "These are my goals." They're like, "Cool, how are you going to achieve them?" Okay. Well, it's more than that. It's like, hey, what's my goal. Why do I want that? And I want to amplify that desire as much as I can, I want to make it emotional so that I feel it, I desire it, I want it. And then I figure out a guide, I'm not going to go make this stuff on my own. Who's already got this stuff figured out? Who am I going to model? Who's got the framework?/ I'm going to buy it from that person. I'm going to read the book. I'm going to do the thing, whatever I need to do. Build out the sub steps, plug the sub steps into a routine and that routine becomes sacred time, and now I just go do my daily business and I don't miss my sacred time. And if I do that, all of the other things rise back up, right? I do the daily routines that helps me and I'm plugging in everything I've learned from the guide and the daily routines. So I do the daily routines, I'm following the guide, my why gets amplified more and more as I go and eventually I hit my goal. That is the secret. So anyway, I hope it helps you guys. I don't really about talk a lot about goal setting, things like that in most of my things, but since I had a chance to teach that class, it was just a fun time for me to reflect and think on it and hopefully there's some value for you guys in that as well. So with that said, let me know if you guys want to hear more stuff like this. Normally I just talk marketing, but there's fun stuff that I do as well. Maybe I should share some more of those things with you guys. Anyway, I appreciate you all. Thanks so much for everything. If you haven't come to Funnel Hacking Live yet, you need to come. We're preparing for it. This year is going to be insane. Tickets are on sale right now. They're selling faster than ever before, which is crazy, probably because it's a hybrid event this year, it's probably the only year we'll do Funnel Hacking Live hybrid where it's virtual and in-person, but make sure you get your tickets because it's going to be insane. But that's it. Thanks you guys. I appreciate you all and we'll talk to you guys all again soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How and why we’re creating so many hooks, to bring more people into our world. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today, we're going to talk about cheesy videos, thrown out hooks, and a whole bunch of other fun stuff. All right, all right, everybody. I hope you guys are doing great today. Oh, man. I want to tell you about the fun things I've been doing in my life. Well, let me step back. Okay, so those who have followed the ClickFunnels journey for a long time, you know that we're always trying to figure out different ways to get people to join ClickFunnels and to buy my products and all the things. And it's funny, because I get people all the time who ask me, "Why are you still making so many ads and creating products and writing books, and all these kinds of things?" And, for me, it's a couple of reasons. One is I love what I do. So there's the most important thing. Number two is I feel like the things we're doing help us grab different segments of the market and bring new people into our world, which is exciting. Number three, if you've read the book, Crossing The Chasm, we're at the spot now where we have I think penetrated the early adopters and the innovators in our world, and now we are moving across the chasm to try to get the rest of the world to become funnel hackers and to join this movement that we're so excited and so proud of. And so those are some of the things that are happening. And so number four, I think number four, who knows what number I'm on, number four is I feel like I'm trying to create examples for you guys to model. And so there's a lot of the reasons why I do it, and that's one of them. So one of the things we did a few years ago was we hired the Harmon Brothers. You guys know they did Squatty Potty and Fiber Fix, and some of the most amazing viral videos of all times. So they've done I think four or five. Anyway, They did a bunch of videos for us that have gone viral that have been really good, that were really, really fun. And last year, I actually was watching Kaelin Poulin. Those who know Kaelin, AKA the LadyBoss, she grew up in our world doing a lot of our stuff. And it was interesting because about a year ago or so, she started doing these videos and they were like viral videos, but instead of typically the Harmon Brothers style video, they hire actors and actresses and everything, instead Kaelin was the actress in each of the videos. And they were scripted out and they were funny, and I watched these videos that she was rolling out and they were so cool and I was so excited by it. And I messaged her a couple months later just to see how they were going, and I can't remember the numbers, the number I remember my head which could be completely wrong was 6X. She was like, "This has grown our company 6X, these new videos." And I got excited. I was like, "I want to do that, make funny videos." But I'm the person in it as opposed to hiring actors and stuff, but I didn't have the time or the bandwidth. My team, we have a million things happening. And so it's cool though, there's another company that's competitors to Harmon Brothers, but their business model's a little different. Instead of doing one highly produced video that costs $1 million, they do a whole bunch of smaller videos. And so the guy that owns it, his name is Travis Chambers. He lives here in Boise, and so messaged him, because I was like, "If I could do these videos and not have to leave Boise, that'd be amazing." And so we ended up working out a deal, and basically we're doing 12 videos with them where each month we launch a new video and they're fun. So they do all the scripting. I told him, I'm like, "I don't want to think. I just want to show up, film stuff, go home, and then a month later the videos launch and I'm not involved in the process of it." And so it's been fun because their team goes and they do the writing, they do all the things, and I show up and I them. And so some of you guys have probably seen some of the videos. The first one was me with a Coke and a Mentos bottle and a kitchen in an Airbnb we had rented showing if you put a Mentos in a Coke and it explodes and trying to catch all the Coke in a bottle. And the first time, it didn't work. Second time, we put a funnel and it works and you catch way more. And so it's this video, and it's me acting. I know. If some of you are watching it, you've seen me like, "This is cringe-worthy, Russell. You should not be acting." I'm like, "I know, I'm not an actor." But that was the first one we did. Next one we did, it was this lemonade stand scene, which was really funny. We blew things up, and it's hard for me to go back and watch these, I'm like, "Oh, it's so painful for me to watch myself act. It's so embarrassing." Then we did a Mission Impossible theme where they strapped me to a harness and I was drop from the ceiling. Then we did a first person shooter one, which is really fun. And yesterday we filmed the one that was an angel and the devil where I was the angel and I was the devil on a dude's shoulder trying to convince him to use ClickFunnels. And then today we're filming one for the Five Day Lead Challenge with lead magnets and a bunch of other stuff. And anyway, it's just fun. So every other month, we go and spend two days, we knock out two videos, and then we're doing 12 of them. Basically, we're launching one a month. So we're putting these things out there. And it's funny because I guarantee some people, especially I'm sure my competitors, are like, "Russell, you're such a dork. Why are you doing this? It's so embarrassing? Why are you putting yourself out there?" And I'm doing it for a couple reasons, and most of them were the same reasons I talked about earlier. I'm legitimately proud of what we do, and my job, if you've read the Traffic Secrets book, is to create hooks, to grab people's attention so I can tell them my story so then we can make them an offer. And so all these things are just different hooks. Me dropping from the ceiling to get people to OFA challenge is the hook. Me being an angel and a devil and acting horribly, because I'm not a good actor, is a hook to get somebody to stop the scroll so I can tell them my story, so I can bring them into our world. And all these things are that way. So I'm telling you guys this because I know some of you guys aren't making ads because you're embarrassed. "Oh, I look stupid. I'm not funny. I'm not blah, blah, blah," whatever the insert excuse here. Some of you guys are doing it because you don't know how to act or you don't feel comfortable on camera. Do you think I feel comfortable on camera doing these things.? No, I don't not, even a little bit. It's so awkward for me. They were making me do these voices that were so embarrassing. I watched the video afterwards, it's all super cringe-y. But then it launches and, oh my gosh, it grabs people's attention. It stops the scroll and it's bringing new blood into my world. And so that's why I do it, because it's the way I reach more people, it's new hooks to throw out there. It's new creative putting out there all the time. The more creative you put out, the more people you can grab, the more attention you can get. And so that's one of the big reasons. Number two is I'm trying to model for you guys what's working. You look at Kaelin's videos, and if you haven't, go follow their fan page and watch her videos. They are killing it with it. And she's a better actress than me by far. Her videos, I mean, come on now, she's just great at what she does. I'm the dorky version trying to be cool like her, and I'm not as cool as her, but they still work. And so it's modeling, "Why is Russell doing this? This is goofy." Instead of being, "Why is he making these goofy videos?" it's like, "Huh, maybe there's something behind these. Maybe I should try to make something like that. How can I have some fun with it?" I remember when we first started thinking about how do we throw more hooks out there? Dean Grasiozi was the one I was following at the time, and he was putting out so many videos. He was doing magic trick videos. He was doing him and his daughter's soccer game videos. He was doing thing after thing after thing, and I was like, "I need to put out more hooks. I don't even know what to do." And it was hard for me. And so by hiring somebody and putting it in a process, it's something where it's forcing me to put out these hooks way more often. And so, anyways, hopefully, again, I know a lot of you guys, you go and you buy the book, you buy the course, and you hear me talk about throwing out all these hooks. Yes. That's a big part of it, but that's not the full point of it. The full point isn't for me just to tell you about getting hooks. It's for me to actually do it so you can see me and be like, "Oh, that's what Russell's talking about. He actually practices what he preaches. Unlike most of the gurus who just talk about something, Russell's actually doing this. Let's model what he's actually doing anyway." Anyway, so I'm sure if you've seen the videos, that's what they are. If you haven't seen him yet, I'm sure you will see them and they will keep popping up and you'll be like, "Man, that Russell Brunson, he's the hardest working man in this industry. He cares more about this craft than anybody because he's willing to embarrass himself and put out all these hooks." And it's true, because I love what I do. I love my message. I love the people that we're serving. And so I'm willing to be uncomfortable and be goofy to get their attention. It's interesting. I remember hearing, I can't remember who it was, but this is probably a decade ago or something, I was studying, I wasn't studying acting, but I was studying actors who were successful, and I remember reading a quote from somebody saying, "If you realized how to be a good actor, you do things that make you feel so uncomfortable then on camera seem normal." And I remember hearing that and I was like, "Oh, weird." And I remember the very first time I was trying to get PR, oh excuse me, I tried to do an infomercial. That was the first time. I tried to do infomercial and I remember my host came on and he was interviewing me on the infomercial and after the first take or so he stopped. He's like, "All right, this is the deal." He's like, "If you talk normal, you sound like you're dead on TV." He's like, "You have to be up like this and super excited and then you sound normal on TV." And so he said, "That's the energy you have to have, it's way up here, to be able to sound normal." And so he kept training me and forcing me to do these things that stretch, that made me feel uncomfortable. He's like, "Take it to the level 10, level 12, level 15," wherever it is. And then he's like, "Now you seem normal." And sure enough, when we watched the infomercial back, I was like, "Oh, it actually doesn't sound goofy. It sounds normal. Whereas if I sounded normal, it sounds like I'm dead." And that was just a big a-ha. Same thing when I did media training before I tried to do my PR the very first time. You've got to grab someone's attention. If you talk like you normally do, nobody's going to pay attention, you're not going to get people's attention. And that was 18 years ago, 15 years ago, whenever it was. Nowadays, it's way harder. How many ads do you swipe through on Facebook or Instagram every single day? How many times has somebody heard about Dotcom Secrets or Expert Secrets or ClickFunnels or One Funnel Away Challenge, and they even ignored it until they saw me dropping from the ceiling like Ethan Hunt in Mission Impossible, or until he saw Shoulder Angel Russell fighting with Shoulder Devil Russell. And then all of sudden, they're like, "Wait. What?" And they watch it and they're like, "Okay, I've got to try this thing out." What's the hook that's going to finally get the person's attention? You don't know until you go out there and do it, and do it, and do it. So anyway, that's why. That's the purpose. I hope that it helps. With that said, I'm going to get cleaned up, because in one hour they're picking me up for my next video. This one's going to be goofy too. Not as goofy as yesterday's. Yesterday's, I'm actually really excited for the shoulder angel and shoulder devil one. But today's is one for our Five Day Lead Challenge. Like I said, every single month, we're picking a new video to do and trying new hooks. Some hooks will work, some won't, but you don't know until you throw them out there. So that said, you guys, get back to work. Go make some more hooks. Make some more videos. Throw it out there. Get your audience's attention and try to change the world in your own little way. Thanks again, and I will talk to you guys all again soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of the questions I get a lot is “should I write a book?”. I’m going to tell you what I think, and why I’m starting book #4. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What’s up, everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets Podcast. That beep means I need to put my seatbelt on before I drive away. And I am here today to answer the question, should you write a book? Today, something that has been on my mind is this question I get asked a lot, which is, should I write a book? And it's funny because, as you guys know, I've written three books. One of them was a New York Times bestseller. Woohoo! So that's pretty exciting. But it's funny because I never was a writer. I didn't want to be a writer. I hated writing in school. Even to this day, someone asked me, two days ago actually, he said, "Russell, do you like writing books?" I was like, "No, writing books is horrible. It is the most painful process of all time." And so, no, I do not like to write books, yet I've written three, and I'm probably going to write more. And people ask, "Well, why would you do that?" I'm like, "Well, it's the most painful process part of all the things I do." It's the hardest thing to do, but at the same time, it's also the thing that live the longest, that lives beyond yourself, that lasts, especially if you write a book that matters. I know there's a lot of people who teach how to write a book really fast, and I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about should you write a book that's going to be your legacy, the thing that people are going to remember you by? And a couple of things, I remember when I first got started, it was about 18 years ago, I remember going to events where people were selling the dream of, "You need to write a book. It's going to give you credibility," all these things. And so I put it in my head, I want to write a book. But I didn't for almost 10 years. But I remember when I started, I was like, "I'm going to write a book. It's going to be called Dot Com Secrets, because I don't know why. I just love that name." A lot of people told me they hated it. In fact, Jeff, Walker was like, "It's the worst name of a book ever." But whatever, I still like it. So anyway, I decided I'm going to write a book. I remember there was something cool about just in my head knowing that I'm writing a book. Even though I hadn't actually written anything, I just was like, "Okay, well, what's the outline? What's the table of contents? What's it going to look like? What should I write?" I started brainstorming it. But there was something when I flipped the switch to I was writing a book that just became exciting. I don't know. And I remember after I got done and I was like, "This is so hard. I'll never write a book again." But then when I decided I'm going to read Expert Secrets, there was something magical. I don't know. Maybe it's the romance of being an author and writing, and I don't know all that stuff, but there was something magical where I was like, "I'm writing again," and I got in that fun stage. And the same thing with Traffic Secrets, the romance. And I remember after each book, I was like, "I'll never write a book again. I'll never write a book again." But about the time that I got done the Expert Secrets book, I was hanging out with Brendan Bouchard. He's written, I don't know, a ton of books. And I remember he told me, he's like, "No, you're an author." He's like, "You just write a book every two years. That's just how it works. For the rest of your life, you should do that." And I was like, "Huh, interesting." And it took me a while, I'm not going to lie. Almost until I decided to do Traffic Secrets. After that, I was like, "All right, I'm going to do that. That's going to be a thing where I'm going to read a book every two years for the rest of my life." And so when Traffic Secrets got to the end, I was burned out because it was a brutal one. Plus, as some of you know, after finishing Traffic Secrets, I went back and I rewrote Dotcom Secrets and I rewrote Expert Secrets. So that was a season of too many words, hundreds of thousands of words. And I was just like, "I don't know if I can keep doing it." It was hard. So I haven't written anything in, it's been over a year. Holy cow. Weird. Yeah, because basically 2020 happened. We blinked and 2020 happened, and now we're back right now it's February of 2021, and I haven't written anything. So it's been over a year. It was just crazy. Anyway, I tell you this because I knew my next book what I want it to be, and I've told you guys on this podcast it's called Bootstrap. This is going to be the ClickFunnels story. And I'm excited. The problem is I also know, to write that book, it's going to be big and overwhelming and there's a lot that goes into it. And while I've started the process of it, I just know it's probably a two to three year project, if I'm honest with myself, because I have to learn how to write it a different style. It's not a how to book. It's like a storybook. And I want to sync it to The Hero With A Thousand Faces and all these story arcs. I interview 1000 people because I want to get everybody's perspective. I don't want to tell the story from my perspective. I want to tell it from everybody's perspective. And so that's one that's big. Plus, I don't have an ending to the story yet. What's the ending of the story? "And then we were happy." No, it's got to be awesome. "And then we went public," or, "Then we whatever," something cool. So I'm still waiting for the ending of the story. So it was hard to write the beginning if you don't know the ending and I'm hoping the book's not going to be a tragedy. I don't think it will be, but you never know. I don't know. I don't have a full picture, so I can't write that one yet. Although, I do know that is my legacy project of like telling the ClickFunnels story and how we did it all kind of stuff. So I sit back and I know that I have a lot of friends that have written personal development books. I've never wanted to do a personal development book, but there's something that, man, for almost probably nine or 10 months now it's been in my thoughts and I keep thinking about it, keep thinking about it, keep thinking about it. And yesterday I was like, "What if I just wrote that book first?" And then I was like, "Huh? It'd be a lot easier to write. I could get it done. We could launch it next year. It could be out in the world." But is it worth writing? I don't want to write a book just to write a book. A lot of people just write a book because, "Oh, I need a book." I want to write a book that's going to change people. That 500 years now people will reference it. That's the kind of book I want to write. So it's just like, can I make this something that's amazing, that's different, that's unique, that's not the same conversation, but it's a different conversation that'll inspire and help people for a long time? And so that's been the questions going through my head. And recently I figured out the title of it, and then I bought the domain, which was not cheap. So I bought the domain for it. And then it was, "Okay, this could be a thing." So yesterday I reached out to somebody who I know who actually designed the very first Dot Com Secrets book covers. He's name is Rob Secades. And I was like, "Rob, I'm thinking about writing a book. Do you want to design the cover for me?" And he got all excited. I got all excited. I'm like, "Ah!" So now he's designing the cover of the book. And now officially, as soon as that conversation ended, in my head, I was like, "I'm writing a book. I haven't even told my wife about it yet." Gosh, she's going to freak out. I almost want to not tell her and then just be like, "Hey, it's done," when it's done, because she knows the pain that I go through to write a book. But that got me excited, and then I emailed our publisher and was like, "Hey, if I wrote a book on this, would you be interested?" And this morning I got emailed back and he's like, "Heck yeah, that'd be amazing." He was freaking out and, "Let's do this thing," And he's like, "To hit the dates you want to sell this thing by here's when we have to have the manuscript back and everything." And I was like, "Oh," and now I'm sitting in my car, out front of the office excited because officially the switch has been turned on. I'm writing my next book and I'm not going to tell you what it is yet. But I do want to tell you that there's this weird energy that comes with it. And so to come back to the question initially for you guys, which is, should you write a book? The answer is a deafening yes. You should write a book. Same questions, well, when should I start writing it? I would propose you start writing it today. You've just got to flip the switch. When you start flipping the switch, these last 24 hours, my mind has been trying to figure out, what's this book? What's it look like? What's the outline? What's unique? What's different? What's the frameworks we're going to use? The swirling in your head, in your mind, and all these things, I'm like, "Oh, it's amazing." So if I was you, I would commit, "I'm going to write a book." And you don't have to write today, and maybe you hate writing, and that's okay. But just, "I'm going to write a book." And if you're like, "What's the title going to be?" And then I would hire someone to go create the book cover, because for me at least I can't design a site until I've got a logo. I don't know. I'm very visual that way. But I see a book cover and it's like, "Oh my gosh, I can see the tangible thing that people will be holding in their hands someday to make this real." And then your mind will start looking for the answers like, "Okay, what is this going to look like? What's page one? What's the first section? What's the second section? What's chapter one, two, three? Where do I want to take people? What's the mission of this book? What's the goal? All those things. Maybe somebody I'll write a whole course on how to write a book because that could be a fun thing too. But for now, I just want you think about that. If you start, you'll start opening your mind to the ideas. And even if it takes you 10 years to write a book, that's okay. But now you're putting things down. I remember Matt Fury told me one time, he's like, "If you wake up every morning and you write two pages a day," he's like, "that's 700 and whatever pages a year." He's like, "That's three books a year." So even if you say, I’m just going to write one page a day. If you wrote one page a day, that’s 365. That's a big book. It gives you tons of time to take weekends off and whatever. But if you wake up and say, "Everyday, I'm going to write one page a day," if you do that consistently, within eight, nine months, you've got a book done, which is exciting. And there's something magical in the romance of just saying, "Hey, what are you up to you?" "I'm writing a book." "What? You are?" "Yeah. I'm writing a book," which is crazy exciting. So anyway, I just want to put that out there. I do think everyone should read a book. I think one of our missions for all of us on this earth is to come down to this earth and we have an opportunity to help other people. You've heard me talk about this a lot. I believe that entrepreneurship is all of us has been called to serve a group of people. So the first part is identifying who are the people I've been called to serve, and then you find them and say, "How do I serve?" And you start looking through those things. And then I feel like one of our other role roles is, we're going through this life experience, we're learning all these things, and we're having experiences and tests and trials and problems and reading books, we're studying things, and I think part of our job is to curate your learning. It's like all the stuff you experience in this life, we should be curating those things. And you can be curating for yourself, for your spouse, for your kids, for your kids' kids, for your grandkids, the people you've been called to serve, whatever it is. We've all been here given our own unique minds, our own brains, our own experiences, and I think so many times we go through life and experience stuff, which gives us growth, but then we never actually leave anything behind to contribute to the next set of people, the people after us who were coming, who are like, I'm on the earth now. Does anyone got a playbook for how to navigate this?" And so all the growth that you went through, all the things you learn, all the things you experience, like all this stuff, if you don't leave a playbook behind for somebody else, oh, what a tragedy. If you look at, and I'm going to talk about this in my new book, by the way, but one of my favorite principles from Tony Robbins is the six human needs. And there's the needs of the body and the needs of the spirit, and I'm going to go deep into it right now, but there's four needs of the body and there's two needs of the spirit. And the two needs of the spirit are growth, number one, and then contribution. I think most people here on this earth get to the spot where you figure out the needs of the body and then you can move to the next tier, and now you start focusing on growth, which is your personal development. I think so many people go through that, and it's amazing. But then the most fulfilling, the last step in this process, is contribution, which is now you're leaving something behind. How do you contribute to other people? All the growth you've gone through, what's the purpose of it? And if you don't leave something behind, then so much of the things you went through is in vain, because it only affected you. And so I want to argue that at that as much as I love the romance of writing a book, I think a bigger part is you creating this thing that gives you the ability to contribute your life's lessons back. And so I'm excited for this new book for me, because it's not that I know the answers to these questions, but it's been a question that I've been chasing for the last decade. And I think that I've gotten further to the answer than most people who have had a chance to be on this planet yet I think it's something that everyone who's been on this planet should understand. If I can give you a treasure map that gets you there faster, it'd be a disservice if I didn't. And so that's why I'm writing this next book, and I'm pumped and I'm excited. And I hope that, first off, you're excited for the book. I'm not going to tell you the title or the name or anything. I just want you to freak out with me a little bit. Ah, freak out. But more importantly, because I think if I told you the title and all stuff it would distract from what I want you to think about, which is yourself, which is like all the growth you're going through right now, what's the contribution you're going to leave behind? And so think about that, okay, based on that, I'm going to write a book. And it may be a decade process, but I'm going to start the process so I can tell people, if they to ask me, "What are you doing?" "I'm writing a book?" "What? How cool is that?" I'm like, "What are you doing?" "Nothing." "How you feeling?" "Okay." If they're not doing anything, they're not creating anything, so it's like, most people's lives are so boring and static and just like, blah. But we're creators, we're entrepreneurs. We're the crazy ones. We need to be creating or else we're dying. And so just that process of somebody asking, "What are you doing?" "I'm writing a book." "Really? You're writing a book? What's it about? Tell me about it." It opens up this excitement and this energy and gets your mind spinning, and there's so many cool, exciting things for you. So should you write a book? The answer is, yes. You've gone through too much to not share it with the people you love. Even if nobody reads it, maybe one person reads it, would it be worth it? Yeah. If one person can learn from the things that you experienced and that can change their life, it was totally worth you documenting the process and turning it into a manual, even if it’s for that one person. And if you follow the process I teach you guys with the free plus shipping funnels and all that kind of stuff, you can get into a lot more people's hands and hopefully help thousands or tens of thousands or millions or more. And that ripple effect will be because you decided to contribute, which is exciting. So, all right, that's all I got. I'm out for the day. I'm going to go start outlining my new book. So excited. Appreciate you guys for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, if you're writing a book, take a snapshot on your phone of this. You just push the two phone buttons. Boom. It takes a picture. Post that picture up to Instagram or Facebook or any of the other social platforms that you chill on. And tag me and tell me that you're committed to writing a book. I'd love to see it. Appreciate you all. Thanks for listening and I'll talk to y'all soon. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is my new favorite software for creating products, order form bumps, upsells, and more. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson, I welcome you first off to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I'm excited to be hanging out with you guys and I'm thinking about doing some upgrades to this podcast. Which makes me sad, because part of me loves the way it is now, but part of me keeps thinking like, "What could we do to make it amazing?" Anyway, keep paying attention, because there's probably some cool stuff coming really soon. But Today I want to talk about something that is really cool, that is here today that I am freaking out about. And yeah, it's by far my favorite new tool that I've been using. Yeah, so you excited to hear about it? It's going to change everything for you. All right, so, I got to tell you guys a story. I remember... So, my first mentor in this business, his name is Mark Joyner. And I remember, if you don't know, it's Click Funnels and we had it live for, I don't know, maybe two years or something. We actually had Mark fly out and I got to build the funnel for him and it was really, really cool. I remember we were sitting there and I'm building his funnel and having so much fun, and he says something to me. He's like, "Man, I've never seen somebody who's really that excited about their own product." I was like, "Oh yeah, I'm obsessed with ClickFunnels. I'm here every day for hours and hours and hours every single day." Oh, I wish ClickFunnels would log time, like how many hours you spend in there. Because I guarantee, I think I spent more time inside of ClickFunnels than any other human on this planet because I love it. And how cool is it to be able to create a product and use a product you love so much, you use it literally every single day? There's not many people that can say that. In fact, I guarantee you that none of my competitors, the founders of the company, used their own product a fraction of what I use our own product because I use it every single day. Every day we're launching new funnels, we're testing new things, we're checking our stats and our ads and we're making split tests and tweaks. I'm obsessed with it, as you guys know. But it's been a long time since something like ClickFunnels has come out that I've been excited for, and it's actually interesting the backstory behind this. When we first launched ClickFunnels, there were three partners. The first it was me and Todd Dickerson, and then we brought in a third co-founder, some of you guys know him, his name is Dylan Jones. And Dylan was the one who built the original ClickFunnels editor. He was part of the team for a couple of years, and then eventually we ended up buying him out and he's been off on his own, having the time of his life for the last couple of years. Recently, he started just playing around with some new ideas and he wanted to get back to coding and creating and stuff like that. He messaged me a little while ago. He was like, "Hey, I have this new tool that I created. I want you to check it out." I'll give you the tool upfront and I'll talk about what it does. It's called one-pager. So it's onepager.io. So www.onepager.io, if you want to see what it is. But it's this really cool editor that makes these one-pagers. They're called one-pagers, right? At first, I was like, "Okay, I don't get it." He's like, "No, it's really cool. You can use it for making lead magnets or creating process flows or everything." I still didn't get it at first, right? I was kind of struggling. Then he demoed himself using it. It's so cool. He opened up this grid and then you drag the grid and you create a little blocking. Oh, what you want in this block? You want text or video or a headline or a checklist or whatever, and then you drag another block and really quickly, in like five seconds, I watched him build out a SWAT analysis one-pager and then he did another one. I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is cool." I'm like, "Let's do a one-pager for a concept inside my books." He's like, "Well, give me a concept.", so I'm like, "Okay, here's my storytelling framework." He looked at my storytelling framework and within five minutes he built a one-pager for it. That was insane. We're like, "Literally I could use it as a lead magnet", I said, "Hey, give me your email address and I will give you this one-pager, which is going to teach you my story framework" or I could sell them and give you the episodes and be like, "Hey, you bought my book, if you want here's my six one-pagers for me showing you all the processes of the book, section 97 bucks." I created an upsell for it in a heartbeat. In a few minutes, I created an upsell that fast from my book, or I can make an order form bumps or I can make... Oh, there's so many things. And I became mildly obsessed. I say mildly obsessed because I know to this day, there's nobody who spent more time inside of one-pager than me. I have built out now... I found out about it right before we launched the five day lead challenge, somebody has asked us to do the five day lead challenge. And in that challenge, I was teaching people to make lead magnets. I'm like, "Okay, everyone use one-pager." In fact, I got Dylan to go and create it so that everyone could create their first one-pager for free. So I was like create a one-pager and use that as a lead magnet. So in the five day lead challenge, we taught... I think we had 45,000 people registered for that, I taught them all like, "Hey, here's how to make a one-pager, go use that. Now you have a lead magnet you can go give away." And so I had everyone go create a one-pager lead magnet. And then we did the one funnel away challenge. I structured it where every single day I taught a principle, but I made a one-pager out of that principle. And every day they learn a principle from me. And then they get a one-pager with all the stuff in it, right? And the day two, day three... So I built 30 one-pagers for the one funnel away challenge. I did five one-pagers for the five day lead challenge. And now it's like every thought I've ever had, every concept, everything, every framework I've built, every principle, every everything I've ever created or dreamt of I'm turning into one-pager. That's how obsessed I am because it's taking these things, these concepts and it turns them tangible. It's hard to explain what a one-pager is until you actually see one. But it takes something and it makes it tangible, where it's like, "Oh, now this framework, this abstract concept you shared with me, now I can actually see it, I can touch it. It's a thing that I can actually... It's a one-pager." Ah, it's so insanely cool. And I'm excited because I literally have been using this tool every single day. And as I looked over the last literally 45 days, there's two products I've used every day. And that's Monday through Monday, seven days a week and that's ClickFunnels and it's one-pager. And I have to... In full disclosure, I got so obsessed with one-pager I asked Dylan if I could buy into it, become a partner and so now I am. So, yes, I do have ulterior motives to tell you about it. But the reality is these are the only two products that I use every single day, every single day in my business. That's it. Like, there's other ones I use every once in a while, I log into my odd responders, I log into my analytics. But the two things I use every single day are ClickFunnels and one-pager. And that's pretty cool. How cool is it to create products that you use every single day? Not just like, "Oh, this is a good idea. You can use it once." Like, every single day. Every day I'm in one-pager and now I'm going through everything I've ever taught. All my books, all my speeches at Funnel Hacking Live, all my projects that got partially done but not finished, I'm turning them all into one-pagers. One-pager after one-pager, I'm building lead bags, I'm building order form bumps, I'm building courses, I'm building everything with this amazing new tool called one-pagers. So, anyway, if you're not staying on one-pager right now, you don't have a poll. You should pull over the car, pause the thing, go to onepager.io. And what's cool about it is you create a one-pager and you can give it to somebody, right? So I give it to you and you can go take it and you plug it into a one-pager account and you give a free one page account. Because it stores all the one-pages people are giving you, right? So you can have all the content, the curriculum, the things you're learning, and they're all stored in your one-pager account, which is cool. And then had Dylan set up so the very first one-pager, you get one for free. So you got one, you can give away for free. You can make a lead magnet, doesn't cost you anything. Then obviously upgrade, you can create unlimited and it's insanely cheap, the software. We're going to be raising the price soon. But right now it's really, really cheap. And then you can start creating these things. And Dylan is in full out creation mode. He's adding all sorts of new things to it. He's adding new elements, just new stuff. That's amazing inside of it. He's working on membership modules and things like that, where you could have password protected one-pagers and you have all... Anyway, once they get unlocked, when somebody buys from you. And the future is really, really cool, but literally the product's been live to the world for 45 days now and I've used it every one of those days. And so, anyway, it's not that often I get excited about a tool. In fact, I have not been... I told Dylan this, before we became partners and before I bought into the company I said, "This is the most excited I have been to buy software, it's ClickFunnels. That's it." And he got pumped and I got pumped and now it's part of my daily routine. I'm in one-pager every single day. So if you're a creator, if you're a designer, if you're thinking about things, if you're trying to create products, if you're trying to create lead magnets, you're trying to create order for bumps or courses or whatever, you should go start using one-pager. If you're a speaker, if you're a presenter, if you're... Whatever you are, one-pager is amazing. It's one of the fastest ways I know to create a product, fastest way to get an idea out of your head, fastest way to get a tangible thing. So, anyway, you should all go to onepager.io and just go get a free account and just played with it, it's seriously that cool. Anyway, so I'm pumped. Like I said, it's not very often that I use a product every single day. And the only two products I use every single day right now are ClickFunnels and onepager.io. So, there you go. And also, just to add to that, there's one other product that we're working on right now, that I can't tell you what it is yet, but it is amazing. I do think it will be the third product I use every single day. So, we're probably three months out, frankly didn't talk about that one, but it's cool too. So I'm sharing this for a lot of reasons. Number one, I want you guys to go sign for onepager.io. Number two, I want you to think about what is it you could create for your marketplace you would actually, legitimately use every single day. Because if you're going to use it every single day, there's a good chance that your market will as well. And so it's just kind of a test. In fact, I can tell you in the past, I created software in the past that I sold, but I never really used it myself. Like, "Oh yeah, it does this one little thing." But it wasn't something that became a staple in my life. Do you create something that literally you can't live without, where you're using it daily? Man, how powerful is that? Then your customers start using it, they're using it daily. It just changes everything. So anyway, hope you guys check it out, onepager.io. Have some fun with it, play with it. And like I said, I'll talk to you all again soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode I talk about challenge #5, testing the new control. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode I talk about challenge #4, finding a new product origin story. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey, everyone this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Hope you're enjoying this week of challenges. Today we're going to be moving into challenge number four. This is finding a new product origin story. Now, again, this is parts of a training that I recorded with my Two Comma Club X High End Coaching Members and you guys are having a really cool chance to listen to behind the scenes of what I taught them and hopefully this gives you ideas on some cool ways and some simple ways to make your business more successful. So that said we're going to cue the theme song. When we come back, you'll have a chance to listen to challenge number four. So challenge number four is going back to whatever thing you're selling, your product, your book, your webinar, whatever it is. I want to challenge you guys to find a new product origin story from some separate things, some sexy hook you can then tie back into the thing that you're selling and try that on an ad, try it on your landing page. Try it on something and just see if you can amplify what it is you're selling. I did a podcast three years ago and I didn't know how to explain it. I think I called it, turn up the sexy or something. I said, "I don't know how to explain this, but you take your offer and you have to make it sexier." Most people's offers are so bland. It's like someone comes to the page, "Oh, nah, I can do without it." But if you come to the page and you're, "Oh my gosh, if I don't have that thing, I can't sleep tonight." That's what you need and it comes back to turning it sexier. I didn't know how to explain that. It's just ah, try help people and make it sexier, make it more exciting, make it... How do you do that? I couldn't explain it. And this report, I read that and I was, this is the most simple, easy way to do that is to find this outside third-party story that uniquely is interesting and fascinating and then tie it back to your product. And so hopefully that helps. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode I talk about challenge #3, doing 100 speeches to other people’s audiences. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. I hope that you've enjoyed the last two episodes. Challenge number one, we talked about simplifying your business. Challenge number two is talking about publishing daily for existing audience. And now, challenge number three is called, do a hundred speeches to other people's audiences. Now, these are all parts of a special presentation I gave them at Two Comma Club X high end coaching members earlier this year and I wanted to break it up and share it with you guys because I thought there's a lot of value in it. Hopefully, it'll get the wheels in your head spinning about how to have more success with your online business. With that said, we are now going to cue the theme song. When we come back, here's a listen-in on challenge number three. Now, I want to go to the next step. Next step is send an email a day. These are people that are already on your list, right? The definition of you sending an email a day to your list is, they're already on your list. Now, we're talking about, how do we get more people onto the list? Okay. I think that for the most part, most of you guys here in the community, you get good at publishing, but for the most part, publishing happens to your existing group, right? The podcast, it's going to the people who are on my podcast. If I'm doing a Facebook live, it's for the people who are on my Facebook live. If I'm doing an email on my list, it's for people on my email list, right? It's targeting the people who are already following you and the more you do it, the more people will come and follow you but what I want to challenge everyone to do is, how do I amplify the number of people who are on my platform? How do I get more people coming to me so that when I'm doing a podcast, I'm doing an email, more people see it? I want to show you guys a story of something cool that I saw one of my friends, his name is Eric Lofholm and January 1st this year, he posted something on Facebook. At first, I was like, "Huh? Interesting." He posted this, he said, let's see if I can pop it here, he said, this is on January 2nd. I think January 1st, he said, "I have a goal. I'm going to try to do 550 speeches this year. January second, he gave speech number one of 2020, shooting for 550 speeches this year." I was like, "Huh, that's interesting." I'm like, "I wonder where this is going to go. I'm really curious." Then, the next day or January four, two days later. "My goal this year is to do 550 speeches. So far, I've been posting my year to date results. I had two people reach out to me to book me. Yay! No speeches today, I'm at seven for the year so far. A few people asked me my definition of a speech. Here it is: a talk that reaches two or more people." Okay? The definition of the speech: a talk that reaches two or more people. That includes being a guest speaker at sales meeting, delivering a seminar, being on a podcast, delivering a webinar, delivering a keynote or a corporate training. Anyway, that's what he defines that. As long as two people are listening, he considers it a speech. Okay? All right. And then, January 6th, "I'm off to my goal of 2020. Here are my results today. Delivered five speeches, had nine coaching calls, booked two speeches, created four pieces of content delivered one sales presentation at two members of my team. My speech goal was 550 for the year, I'm at 12 speeches so far a year today." That's January 6th, so his average is basically two a day since the beginning of the year. "January 8th, three speeches so far today. Reached about 300 people this morning, 2020 goal, 550 speeches, 18 speeches a year today so far. January 9th, three speeches today, 22 speeches a year today. January 13th, six speeches today 32 speeches a year today. January 14th, eight speeches today, 40 speeches a month to day. January 15th, three speeches today, 43 a year today, 550 is the goal. January 16th, five speeches today, 48 a year today, 550 is the goal. January 17th, two speeches today, 50 ..." and it keeps going on. "January 20th, five speeches today. January 21st, 62 a year today. January 13th, 68 today. January 22nd, 65. January 24th, 74. January 27th, 78." He's one month in, he's got 78 speeches he's given all pushing people into his funnel. He's not pitching to his existing audience. We talked about publishing to your existing audience and most of you guys are doing that. Now, this is going outside, doing speeches to other people's audiences to bring people into your world, sucking them in the lead magnet. If we're not bringing new leads, new people in, then our funnels, our publishing wells will eventually start drying up. Okay. "February 3rd, 98 a year today. February 14th, 127 a year today. February 24th, 148 today. February 28th, March 4th, March 4th." It keeps going, "March 19th, 202 speeches today." All right. It keeps going on from there. Do you guys see what he's doing? Obviously, publishing daily to his own audience, he's going to have to figure out, where can I go and I can give a speech? He devises a speech to somebody else's audience to get more people coming in. Okay. My question for you guys is, again, instead of focusing on building the next new funnel, it's, where can I go to find people to bring people into my funnel? How can I do more of this? Okay? And by Eric putting out this intention of, I'm going to do 500 speeches on other people's fan pages, other people's podcasts, other people's things this year, it's more than one a day. It's forcing me to do it and you look at, the momentum is slow at first, slow at first and the more he did, the more he booked and now, March 19th, he's two months into the new year's, he's got 202 already done of his 550 goal. If he keeps consistent with these, he probably could 2,000 or 3,000 and winning is going to happen to his business, because of that. How many leads and customers and people are going to come into his funnel because he's out there doing presentations to bring people into his world. All right. I was talking to Stacy Martino yesterday and she's like, "Hey, I want to put you on our podcast or do a Facebook live to do your book. I've seen you a lot." I'm like, "Yeah, I've done a lot." In fact, how many of you guys have seen this? I've been doing, on average right now, I'm doing eight a day. I'm doing eight speeches a day, 30 minutes speeches to other people's lists. Okay, I’m in quarantine, I got nothing else to do. Eight a day, I do 30 minutes speeches and I'm doing eight a day right now. Last week, we did eight times five so I did 40. This week, I took Friday off to hang out with you guys but pretty much did almost 35, 40 this week. And from that, we've sold over 30,000 copies of the book. I'm going out there doing the thing, doing the thing, doing the thing. The question then obviously is, "Where do I do speeches to?" I don't know, and it comes back to the foundation of what we've been talking about and teaching you guys for years now, it's the Dream 100. I want you to look at this from a different lens. I think a lot of times, people build this Dream 100 list and they sit on it waiting, "Well, someday I'm going to send them a package with my box" or "Someday, I'm going to do it." And I'm like, "No, no, today's the day." This is how I want to challenge all of you guys to do this, is come back to your Dream 100 list and say, "Hey, on Facebook, who are the people that I could potentially do a speech on their fan page to?" And then, list out those people. "On Instagram, who are the people I could potentially do a speech to their audience with?" And list out the people. "Who are the podcasts that I could potentially speak on a podcast? Who are the YouTubers I can make a YouTube video with? Who are the emailers with emails? Who are the bloggers who have a blog?" And making that list and then, it's not to wait until someday your thing's ready, it's today. Send an email and say, what I recommend is email and Facebook to say, "Hey man, I'm a fan of your Facebook following. I have this really cool free report I wrote called 17 Ways To Do Awesome Stuff and I have a presentation that I can give and I can go anywhere from 10 minutes to 30 minutes, it's going to help people to be more productive. And then at the end of it, I'll give them a free copy of my PDF with 17 Ways To Be More Productive. Can I come and do that presentation to your audience? I think they would love it." And you asked first person. Send an email, second person, "Hey, Joe. I'm a fan of your Facebook page. Love what you do, I watch all your episodes. My favorite one has been this. I have a question for you. I have a really cool report I wrote right out called 17 Ways To Be More Profitable In The Coronavirus Thing and I would love to come and give a 10 to 15 minute presentation on your fan page with you where I can go through these things and then give people a free copy of the thing. Can I do that? Would you mention me? I'm doing a speech for free to your people." Cool. Next person, next person and just emailing them, one at a time, one at a time, one at a time. If you email 10, 15, 30, a hundred people, how many speeches do you think you could land? My guess is, if you email a hundred people, you'd lend a minimum of 10 speeches. And I guess it's probably a lot higher, but you get 20 or 30 of them. I don't care who you are, if you've got no name at this point, it doesn't matter if you got a sexy hook, something that's timely for their audience, a free presentation you normally charge for you give for free to their people, you'll be able to get people right out to come and play. Come on. Especially since I have this community, can you network with each other, can you guys do speeches to each other's lists?? Now's the time to start getting out there and sharing your message. Now that I'm in quarantine I'm doing it as well. Usually, I'm so busy I'm not able to do presentations, but man, I've been doing all my crazy and what's happening? We're filling our funnel with brand new leads, brand new people every single day. Okay? I want to challenge you guys to do a hundred speeches to other people's audiences over the next 12 months. The rest of this calendar year. Okay? That means it's one every, every other day, every third day or something like that. Basically, make a lot at first but if you're like Eric Lofholm, I just showed you guys, it starts slow and as you do one, it opens the next one and the next one and the next one and it'll be able to ramp up over time. But this is how you're getting new people in so this is different than publishing daily. Yes, I said, "Spend 20 minutes publishing something daily to your existing audience and then go out there and do at least one presentation a day to get new people into your audience so they can see the stuff you're publishing every day." Promotion, publishing. Promotion, publishing. Okay? They're hand in hand. I think I've done a disservice on telling you to publish, publish, publish, and people are like, "I'm publishing and nothing's happening." It's like, "Okay, now, you've got to promote what you're publishing. Getting people in and out. It goes out to going to the different audiences in your Dream 100, doing presentations, doing speeches to everyone and call them to get people to hear a lead magnet so they can hear your publishing and you can sell them the one thing you actually tried to sell them at the end. Do that makes sense? Yeah. Coleen said, "At first, sometimes, it seems hard, but then it snowballs and everyone wants to have you on their show." Yes, yes. Yes. Someone said, "How do you find these audiences?" It's easy. Let's say it's podcasting. You're on a podcast app and I go ahead and I'm like, "Okay." I scroll down to where it says Top Shows, I click on Top Shows. Right next to Top Shows, it says See All so I click on See All and it's showing all the top shows and at the very top here, it says Categories. What category am I in? I click Categories and then here's all the categories in iTunes. There's news, comedy, sports, history, true crime, social culture, arts, business, education, fiction, government, health and fitness kids and family, leisure, music, religious spirituality, science, technology and TV and film. There's the categories in iTunes. If you're like, "My business doesn't fit in those categories," you may not be in a good business because if there's not people podcasting about the thing that you're selling or the market you're in, it may not be a big enough business to really focus on. Your business should fit into one of these categories. I'm going to be like, "Okay, let's say I am a health and fitness," I'm looking at the fitness. Boom, it shows me the top podcasts in health and fitness, the top 200 podcasts. I just gave you, if your health and fitness, there's 200 Dream, 100s so you already doubled how many people you need to have. I'm going to go to every single show host, I'm going to contact them and be like, "What's up, dude. I see that you run the Adaptive At-Home Workouts. I have a finished product. I would love to do presentation showing my number one best workout blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Okay? And then you go through person by person by person. The next question is, "Russell, how do I find their contact information?" I don't know, you just start clicking around. So click on this right here, it says Sometimes Everyone Hears Things. There's no contact so listen to the podcast and see what do they pitch at the end, what website they sent me to. Then, you go to the website URL I look for contact link. It's just doing the research, doing the homework. Okay? Now, there's 200 people on Podcasters. Now, those are the top 200, but the good news is there's even more. In fact, the Marketing Secrets Podcast gets 15,000 downloads per episode and it's not even in the top 200 in the business category. There are tons of big podcasts you can be on that aren't in the top 200. Then, you can just go to the search bar here and type in, "health and fitness" or in a keyword, type in, "biohacking." I'll type in "biohacking" and I click on it and biohacking may not be the top 200 in health and fitness, but holy cow, there are probably 50, 60, 70 different biohacking podcasts here. Biohacking. Then you go there. There's just podcasts alone. Then, go to Google and type in, "biohacking blogs, biohacking YouTube channels," go to Facebook and start searching biohacking, you start searching it and you go on that thing and you start finding just swarms of people that you could challenge to do with. Cool? Does that help you guys? YouTube, same thing, YouTube, same with Google. They're everywhere. All right. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to this special episode series! Recently I recorded a training video for my 2CCX students and I made them commit to taking on 5 different challenges that would help them strengthen and grow their businesses. On this first episode we discuss challenge #1, Simplify your business. So tune in and see how these challenges can help you and your business get to where you want to be. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets Podcast. All right, I want to share with you guys something really cool. So recently I did a training for people who were inside of my Two Comma Club X, high-end coaching program. And the training chat really cool, and I thought it'd be fun to share it with you guys. So I'm actually going to break it up over the next five episodes. There are five challenges that I gave them to do to be more successful inside their business. So, that's kind of the game plan. So each episode we'll cover one of the five challenges, and this very first challenge is called Simplify Your Business. So we're going to cue up the theme song, we come back, you guys will have a chance to hear and behind the scenes of a private training I was doing with my Two Comma Club X, high-end coaching students, and I hope you love it. Whenever I would go to bed, I always like trying to do a lot ahead of time, this is my business model, I know what it is, it's like I'm driving traffic to a landing page, and then from here I'm upselling people on the phone, or I'm doing a webinar, or I can have a structure, like what you're doing, right? And it's all the speakers are coming in that are giving you ideas. The goal is not to be like, "Nevermind, I'm believing that," rip it up and start something new. And the next speaker, you throw it away and something new. Instead, it's like listen to every single speaker and listening to their model and be like, "That's really cool, I love how they're doing that." And then be like, "That piece right there, that one thing that person said, that's something I can take and I can apply to my existing framework, the existing business I'm trying to do." Okay? Because if you're not careful, you're going to hear all, again, we have so many amazing speakers, all of them had their own take on how to do business. If you're not careful, you're going to rip up and rewrite your business plan 20 times in the next two days, which is not going to help you. It's not going to get you to momentum, it's going to get you out of momentum. Right? So the goal of this is to keep the frame or keep the business that you're working on, but then looking for what's the piece of gold from each presentation. Right? I'm going to be sharing these five different things. And each of these things, some of you guys might thing, "That one's not for me. That one's not for me," and, "That's the piece of gold I needed, I can add here, and I can apply to the framework that I've already built. It's going to help me to speed up and help me get to that next spot faster." Okay? And so that's the way I want you guys to start looking at this week, not, "I'm rewriting my business plan 20 times over," it's, "I have 20 amazing people coming, what's the one piece of gold I can take from each speaker that I can apply to the existing thing that I'm already working on to help amplify it and help get me back into momentum?" Does that make sense? So that's kind of the goal. So with that said, I'm going to jump into five different things I kind of wanted to go through with you guys, and I think they're fun. I'm excited for it. So, all right. So the first thing, so again, I got a bunch of just things. So my first thing I want to put out there for everybody is the thought process of how can I simplify my business? How can I simplify my funnels? Last year, we did an affiliate retreat, some of our top affiliates came, and they came to Boise, and then Dave and Miles and everyone, took them out to McCall where they did water skiing and everything. Before they went out to have the big party, because I wasn't invited to the party. I'm just kidding, I was probably invited, I just wasn't able to go. But before they all went, I sat down for like an hour with everybody and kind of asked everyone about their businesses, and everyone asked me some feedback on this stuff. And I remember one of the people who was there, her name is Alex, she asked me the biggest advice. I kind of asked some questions on her business. And really quick, I found out that basically she had like, I don't know, half dozen or more funnels that she had, she was driving traffic to, she was trying to do all these different things. And I said, "Ma'am, my biggest piece of advice for you right now is to simplify everything." I said, "Pick the one funnel that you like the most and delete the rest." This should not be something where we're driving traffic to six or eight or 10 different offers. If you are, it gets very, very difficult. It's hard to focus all your efforts. I think a lot of people see my business and they're like, "Russell, you got eight offers." I'm like, "Yeah, I have 400 employees." You know what I mean? We're doing 10, $15 million a month. Don't necessarily model me because we've got more staff recently. When you get the point where you're trying to go for the billion dollar company, then look at me. But right now, what most guys are trying to zero to a million, million to ten, and ten to a hundred. So in those windows, the thing that's going to drive you is simplicity, one funnel. And what's crazy is as I'm doing this book launch, Alex, she interviewed me on her thing, and she said, "Man, the biggest thing that grew my business the last year is when you were in Boise, and you said I need to kill all my funnels but one. She's like, "I left all stressed out because I love all these funnels. I put so much time and energy, but I thought, everyone says, 'Do what Russell says,' so I'm going to do what Russell says." And she's like, "I killed all these babies and I kept one." And she's like, "Because of that, all my focus is on my ad dollars, my promotions, my content, everything's focused on one thing, and because of that, it's grown." And so I want to challenge you guys today. Again, this comes back to this whole over the next 20 speakers, don't try and reinvent 20 different business models. It's simplifying the one you have and figuring out the nuggets of gold you can apply to it. Okay? So I'm going to show you guys if I was to start over right now, like the most simple model on earth, and this is all I would do, if it was me and I'm trying to make a million to $10 million a year company, I would do this. Okay? And I'm going to show you, it's Ben Settle slide, because Ben is the most consistent, simple business model I've ever seen, and it's exactly what I would do. So Ben has got one product. Since the last couple years, he's developed a couple of other ones, but the reality, all those other products are... so he publishes a monthly newsletter. It's 97 bucks a month. You get a physical print newsletter in the mail every single month. And that's kind of what his business model is. And if you see, he sells other things, all he's done is over the last 10 years, he's been publishing this newsletter. He'll be like, "What are all the newsletters on this topic?" And he'll take like 30 issues, and he puts them with the others, like, "Here's my new product." And it's literally just his issues that are grouped together based on topics. So he only has one thing he does. Every month, he writes the newsletter and he sells it. It's 97 bucks a month. And that's it. Right? And then he's got a squeeze page, and a squeeze page is basically, "Come here, give me your email address, and then I'm going to sell you my newsletter." Right? So people come here, they go to bensettle.com, they put their email address in, and then he has his one product he sells. Basically, what he does is he sends out an email every single day, selling his one product. That's it. That's his business for the 10 years I've known him. I'm on his email list. I get an email every day, sometimes twice a day. And all he does is he promotes one thing and that's his newsletter. That's it. That's the business model, simple, easy, million dollar a year business right there, one product. And he sends an email a day. So you come in and here it is. I was just pulling this today, I took a screenshot just to show you guys. March 11th, there's email. March 11th, there are two emails. March 10th, there were three emails. March 9th, there were two emails. March 8th, my birthday, there were two emails. March 7th, there was email. And just consistently, consistently, right? So his whole business model is get people to come to my squeeze page, they give me their email address, I email them every single day to tell them to buy my one product. And you'll go, "Russell, what if they already bought the product, then what do I email them?" The same thing! Okay? Because guess what it does? It gets people to stick. It's funny, the biggest growth I had in my business was five or six years ago, we decided we were going to focus 100% of our efforts on click funnels. And prior to that, most of you guys probably didn't come into my universe prior to that, but if you would have looked at it before, we had so many different offers, they were all over the place, like something selling this, and this, and this. And so I'm emailing my list, I'm like, "I don't know, I'll promote this today, and then this," and they're all sorts of random things, right? And when we said, "Okay, we're going to sell click funnels," everything's focused on this one thing, one product, one service, then everything grew for us. Right? And even now, if you look at my business, we have front end funnels, like the books and things like that, but the only goal is if you want to buy the book is that you get into click funnels. Everything leads to this one road. And so the business model could be as simple as a squeeze page, get somebody email, to opt in, and then a print newsletter, or a webinar, or a membership, just one thing, right? Or my high-end coaching, whatever the one thing is, and then every day email about it. And even if they bought it, you still email them every single day because it increases their likelihood of sticking. Right? They're seeing another promotion. It's like, "I did buy it. I remember buying that, that was a good thing I bought it. It's a good reminder." It's a stick strategy. Probably three or four times a year, someone on my marketing team will come back and be like, "Russell, we need to use all the Actionetics complex features where people who have already bought this, it pulls down, they don't see any more messages about this and that." And like, "No, stop trying to be so technical and geeky. I don't care some about the book and they get 15 other emails about the book, because guess what? Now they're more likely to actually read the book because I keep selling them." I'm like, "Selling them on buying, it's one thing, but selling them on actually consuming it is another thing. So I'm going to keep telling you about it, and telling you about it, and telling you about it. I don't care if they bought it five times, I want them to keep getting it. If they got it and they've read it, I want them to keep reminding like, 'Yeah, that book was good, I need to go back and read it again, let me reference that thing.'" Right? So don't think that even though Actionetics and every email autoresponder has all these complex features where you can after someone's done this, pull them out so they never see the emails again, that's not necessarily good. Right? Simplify, keep things simple. During Funnel Hacking Live, after Garrett White had his presentation, we had this really cool moment backstage. I would love to, in fact, we did record, I just did the recording of it, but he told me, he's like, "A year ago," he's like, "My technical marketing team just convinced us to move off of Actionetics so we can move to, I can't remember what the other one was, something else, because that we could do all these more complex things and more split testing. And if they bought this, then like," he had this huge map. And he's like, "A year ago, they convinced me to do that." And it was funny because I had tried to convince Todd to let us use a more complex email software too, because I was like, "we can get so much more complex and so much better if we did this." And Todd laughed and he's like, " Dude, Russell, you haven't even finished the follow up sequence, like one, like you're trying to get more complex and you only have a simple, basic one right now." And we told Garrett that year. It's like, "You know what's funny?" He's like, "In the last year, working on this super hyper amazing sequence, it's going to do a million things." He's like, "Because of that, we've never sent an email out to our list during that time, because we bought the complexity, now it was so complex we never actually used it." And he was like, "I'm going home. We're canceling everything, we're moving back, we're just getting back to the simple, send an email every single day." I don't know, there's so many tools that create complexity, and I think that's what's keeping most of us from where we want to be. So strip complexity. And I don't care if you use the Actionetics, or active campaign, or anyway, it doesn't matter, but just simple. Like Ben's model is simple. He doesn't stress out. Every day he spends 15 minutes writing an email, sends it out, sells his one product and that's it. And once a month he writes print newsletter. That's the business. And the guy's written like eight zombie novels since I've known him because he's got nothing else to do all day, other than write a 20 minute email, send an email, do the once a month newsletter he publishes, and then he writes zombie novels all day. That's it. So, simplify. How can we simplify our businesses and quit overcome complexing them. We can do that. Our company now, "Let's pull things back, let's simplify it, simplify." And I think some of you guys may have heard me told this story, I went, this is probably, I don't know, maybe a year ago, I went to John, and obviously I'm obsessed with funnels, right? I'm like, "John, okay, in a perfect world, how many funnels do you want from the funnel team that we can give you, the traffic team, to go to market and drive traffic to?" And I was hoping it was like one a week or two a week, whatever. And he's like, "Two." I'm like, "Okay, what is that two a week, two a month, two a day? You let me know, we will do it." And he's like, "No, two total. That's all we need. I don't need more funnels." He was like, "In fact, if you stop making funnels, we would be completely fine." He was like, "Well, we're good now. We just need you guys focusing more on getting traffic into the funnels we have." That's what he told me. And I was like, "Oh." I remember Brandon and Kaelin Poulin came to our office in Boise. And I was showing them everything like, "This is our funnel building team." And there's like four or five people. And he's like, "What do they do all day?" I'm like, "They build funnels." He's like, "You guys still build funnels?" Like, "Yeah, dude, that's what we do." And he's like, "Huh." He's like, "We built a funnel three years ago and we just keep driving more traffic to it." And I was like, "Huh." There's the aha, right? You guys saw Brandon and Kaelin on stage getting the Two Comma Club C Award with one funnel. So simplicity, simplify things. Don't make them more complex. Okay? So many guys don't want complex things. I'm the same way, because I love creativity of the creating. Focus your creativity on new creative to get people into the one funnel you're focusing on. That's the shift in mindset. Okay? So, number one, simplify. Look at lead magnet, email daily core offers. Here's Ben's: people opt in, he sells them his newsletter, and he sends an email every single day about the newsletter. Okay? This is kind of something we've been talking a lot over last couple years about, publishing daily. I think some people stress out about it. Like, "I don't know how to do it, I'm not going to be able to do it." I want to simplify it again. Okay? Look how Ben Settle does it. Okay? He sends out an email every single day. Here's a snapshot of just since February 23rd, like literally, every single day. So he sends an email every day, and then he takes that same email, and he goes to his blog and he posts it, copy and paste it to the blog. Now he's posting a blog post every single day. Email a day, blog post a day, it's the same thing word for word, copy and pasted, but he's publishing every day. So if you know like, okay, if I'm publishing every day, I've got to send an email to my list every day. I know that. I'm going to log in, send an email to my list, and I'm going to copy the email, and I'm going to post to my blog and boom, now I'm done. Okay? I think so many times we get so scared about, "The publishing everyday thing, how am I going to do it?" It can and it should be more and more simple. Okay? All right. So the first challenge I have for you guys, I got five challenges today. Challenge number one, I want you to look at the funnels you are creating, the funnels you're working on, the business model you have, and think, "How can I simplify this? How can I make it where I can do the entire business in one hour in quarantine, then go play with my kids the rest of the day?" Right? How can I simplify my business? That's the first challenge for you guys. Okay? Challenge accepted? Can you guys all do that? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Traffic Secrets I warned you the storm is coming, now I’m here to tell you it’s almost here. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today I want to talk about the intro of the traffic secrets book. I told you and I warned you that there's a storm coming. I want to talk about what's happening and how to prepare. Hey, everybody. Hope you guys are doing awesome. All right. So I know this is like the last 12 months of our life, but especially the last month, there's just so much chaos, so much craziness happening. We've had social networks shutting people down. We've had investment things like Robinhood and the GameStop. There's just so much chaos coming around and I don't even know how to address all the things. I'm going to try to address all the things. All I'm going to tell you guys is when I was writing the traffic secrets book two years ago, in the intro, if you remember the intro book says, "There's a storm coming..." And, I talked about how, just so you guys all are aware, there's a storm coming. We got to start preparing ourselves for that today. And I just know that it's getting crazier and scary. Anyway, I'm very excited because last night when I was getting ready for bed, I opened up Facebook real quick and I'm scrolling around, and one of my buddies, Justin Brooke, he made a post, and I wanted to actually read that to you because it is exactly what's been on my mind for the last week or two. And so I wanted to kind of share it with you. So this is what he wrote. And if you don't know Justin, Justin's an amazing marketer. I actually met him, almost 15 years ago. He came and did an unpaid internship for me. I was at the time trying to figure out how to get free employees. I emailed my list, "Hey, who wants to come work for me for free for a month?" And he applied and he said, yes. And he flew out and worked for me for 30 days and got to know him really well and been a friend and a fan of his since then, any who? So this is what he wrote. He said, "I ain't smart enough to know what's going on, but I ain't dumb enough to not see something's going on. You know what I mean?" He said "I ain't panicking, but I am preparing, turning as many dollars as I can into assets rather than dollars. For me, that means farming equipment, SEO, email subscribers, and social following. Layers of redundancy. If they cut off my ads, I'll still have SEO. If they cut off my social, I'll still have my email. If they cut off my SEO and my email, I'll have my little farm to at least keep me indoors and fed. If it gets any worse than that, I'm pretty sure there's not much else I could do anyway. I pray that the worst it gets is they just leave us to ourselves in the woods. I'd be okay with that. Think I'm nuts. We've gone from haters, wash your hands to, Hey, if you don't vaccine, you'll get fired and no tests, you can't travel. And that's real, no hype, no theory. Just explaining the God's honest truth of exactly what happened and happening. Something's going on. It's just like, if you think it's going to rain later on, you bring an umbrella, same thing here. No need didn't change a way of living. No need to go buy up all the toilet paper in town. No need to spiral on the fear. Just have a plan B and C. Work kinda slowly in your free time. So you got fallbacks on fallbacks. You do it in your business. Why not in your life? It's just good, old fashioned sustainable thinking." So I read that and I was like, yes, that is so true. And I've been doing the same thing. If you've noticed in our business, I've been trying to diversify our traffic even more than it already was. Right. I have been getting people to join my texting app, the community app, right. And growing people there, moving over there. We have been focusing super hard in SEO recently and trying to get our SEO rankings up and focusing hard on building our email list. Building our text messages, building our desktop push list. Just different things to prepare for traffic, different things to prepare for if our audience gets shut down, right? If our emails got shut down, what would we do? How would we survive? How would we pay for the bills? If our merchant accounts got shut down, what would we do? These are all the things that we don't ever think about when times are good. I want to rewind back a decade ago. That's crazy. 10 years ago when I was building my company the first time, somebody had heard the story and I was trying to prepare. And I had a lot of employees and a lot of things were selling and all this sorts of stuff. And I thought we were doing well. In fact, the first year and a half, two years of the recession we were doing great. And then something happened and it was crazy. It was like at my one choke point, and one thing we had was only one merchant account and that merchant account got shut down. And at the time it took my entire company, almost a hundred employees, everything we're doing to a screeching halt, because one is the scariest number. And so in your business, you've got to start being prepared. If you got one merchant account, how do you get two? If you've got two, how do you get three? If you got one traffic source, how do you get two? If you got two, how do you get three? Right? If you got one way to contact your following, look for a second or third, right? If everyone's on Instagram, how do you get them on to Facebook. If everyone's on Facebook, how do you get them to YouTube? If everyone's on YouTube, how to get them on email. If everyone's on email, how do you get them to text? Like how do you have some diversity so that when the storm hits and hopefully won't hit any of us, hopefully it doesn't hit me or you or anybody. But if it does how are you prepared for that? Because we've seen the last 30 days at a blink of an eye, your social media can be gone. Your Facebook can be gone. Your Instagram, your email, everything could disappear. And so it's just being prepared for the worst case scenario. And what's interesting is I've been reading this book and it's one of my favorite books now all time. It's called Outwitting the Devil, it was written by Napoleon Hill. And what's crazy about it, it was actually written in the 1930s and Napolean was too scared to publish it. So he didn't and when he passed away, his wife had the manuscript and she didn't dare to publish it. So she didn't, and after she passed away, then the family got it and found it and decided to publish it. And the book is called Outwitting the Devil. By far of all the Napoleon Hill books, it's the best. It's amazing. It's this whole conversation he's having with Satan and Satan literally laying out, here's the playbook. Here's how I win. Here's the secret. This is what I do. And this is how you get people to come drifters. And explains the whole thing. And it's crazy from like a spiritual standpoint. It's like, Oh, there's the playbook that Satan's literally using to try to take us over. From a personal standpoint, It's like, Oh, here's the playbook that Satan's using to try to get me to not produce and succeed in life. And either way, it's one of my favorite books. In fact, I want to write a book about the book. That's how good it is. But regardless, the reason that I'm bringing that up, in the book initially talks about there's two things, there's fear and there's faith, right? And everything Satan's trying to do, the devil is trying to do, is trying to get you into a state of fear and everything that Christ is trying to do. Or, the God's trying to do is get you into a state of faith. And it's just like, man, I don't want to say anything to try to get people fearful but to get you to prepare and have faith in something greater that's coming and being prepared for that. So anyway, I hope that this just comes as kind of a warning for everybody whose got a business now and who hasn't thought about that. When I had a hundred employees and we were killing it and all these things were happening. I thought we were untouchable until we weren't. And all it was, was one merchant account decided they didn't like us. And what's crazy is I actually had 14 merchant accounts, but they're all the same bank and that one bank said they didn't like us and they were gone in a minute. And so it's just like having diversity, having backups, having all those kinds of things. Do you back up your email database? How often? Do you have it somewhere besides your auto-responder company? What if they decide they don't like anymore? Do you have your- just all those things, it's just, be smart, be prepared. Anyway, that's my podcast for today. Thank you Justin Brooke for the post and for getting my head spinning on that. And for all you guys listening, there's a storm coming, but don't be afraid, just have faith and prepare yourself and set up some backup plans so you're ready. And if you do that, then you're not going to be going to be scared when the storm gets here. And if you haven't read Outwitting the Devil yet, seriously, it is such a good book. You can get it on audible. You can get the book version. It's worth reading. So, all right, guys, appreciate you all. Thanks for everything. And we'll talk to you all soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Understanding this, will help you become a world class marketer. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Good morning everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I want to talk to you a little bit about chain marketing. All right, so if this sounds a little weird today, it's because I'm actually in my sauna. I'm behind on podcast episodes, and so today I took my kids to a virtual trip thing called Seminarians early morning, so it took them this morning, and it is freezing cold today. The wind is almost like a tornado here in Boise, so it was freezing. And I was like, "I'm going to get in the sauna and get warmed up." So I turned the sauna on, and then I was like, "You know what? I'm just sitting here, I should record a podcast." And I started thinking about just things I could talk to you about. And there's so many things. That's the pros and the cons of this podcast. When I first started I was like, "I don't know if I'm going to be able to think of something to talk about every day." And then the other side is like, "There's so many things I could talk about. So many things I want to talk about." It's like, "Where do I go? What do I focus on?" I've been thinking about different ways to increase the experience with this podcast too, and I've got some cool ideas I'm potentially looking at here in the near future. But today what I was thinking about was just something that came up yesterday at wrestling practice, actually. So my days right now are kind of chaotic, as the time I'm recording this we're in the middle of the OFA 30 day challenge, which we're actually doing live right now, which has been really, really fun. But I'm literally doing it live every single day. And before that I did the five day lead challenge. I'm waking up every morning, going in live, streaming live, it's been now one, two, three... It's four weeks, four weeks of live every single morning. Which is good, but it's just like, it's a lot to be consistent that way. Anyway, I digress. So I've been doing that, and then as soon as it gets done, I go and work on the one pager for the day, and then I go finish the other training, other programs, so it's all that stuff I got to get done. And then every day at 10:30 I have to race off to get to wrestling practice with my boys. So they're freshmen in high school this year and we're on the wrestling team and I get to be one of the assistant coaches. So I race in there to get them every day. So my day is like chopped in half basically, which happens every year about this time, but it's fun. So anyway, it's been fun wrestling practice, the last little bit, the coach has had me do a lot more of the teaching and training, and so I've been working on a couple of different moves. I was working on a set up initially where someone has to come in and get inside control. And that's the first move, so we all worked on getting inside control. And then the second thing was like, now you're inside control, now let's work on doing this thing called the steering wheel where I club his head and I pull his tricep one way and than the other way. And it gets them moving. So I'm doing this thing called the steering wheel, which is like a motion drill. And then from there, it's like, there's a lot of things that someone could do. Like if I push into it, if he pushes back into me, I got a snap down. If I push into him and he doesn't push, but he switches his hands to inside control, I got to come back to inside control ready to break it off, or... There was just all these different things. And so it was interesting, when you first are teaching these kids, you teaching each move in isolation. So it's like, "Okay, you have to learn how to do, just like getting inside." That's just one little thing. So you teach them isolation, how to get inside. Then you teach them isolation, like, "Okay, here's how you do a steering wheel," like, "you club here, you pull here and your feet go here." So you drill that, just that one thing. And then you do the next thing. And so you're doing all these moves in isolation. And so we spent like two days then just learning each move in isolation. And then today, or soon yesterday, I went in, and I started working them, "Okay, we're not going to learn anything new today. You guys have all the core fundamentals you need. Today we're going to do a thing we call chain wrestling." What chain wrestling means is, like in a match, you don't just walk out there and like, "Okay, I'm going to do one move," And you get inside control, you're like, "Now what?", right? You don't do that. In a wrestling match, the other dude's battling against you, so you come in, you're like, "Okay, I'm going to go in from my inside control." So you go inside control, but then instantly he's doing something. So then you have to react. Then they do something, and then you react, and back and forth, and back and forth. And so chain wrestling is knowing that I'm not just doing this one move in isolation. I got to be doing this move, to this move, to this move, to this move, and if he does this, I got to shift, do this, this, this. And so it's taking these individual techniques, which is like a link in a chain, and you're chaining them together. So there's four, or five, or six, or seven different things. Because in a real match, you don't walk out and just do one thing. You walk out and you're like, "Hey, I'm going to go for my one thing that I think is my best, but then it's a wrestling match, now it's a battle. And the secret is chain wrestling. It's getting good at moving from this, to this, to this. And then if they go here, you go this, this and then shift to this, this, this, this, and moving back and forth, back and forth. And so that was what yesterday was about, was chain wrestling, tying these individuals moves together into something amazing. And anyway, at practice I was teaching that. It was interesting, because right now I'm in the middle of the OFA 30 day or the One Funnel Away challenge. And I started thinking about it, and the One Funnel Away challenge is actually, the way I'm teaching is very, very similar. And you guys having gone through my training, you'll probably know the same thing. There's all these little techniques that you learn in isolation, so you have all these little techniques that you learn in isolation. So any chapter of my book could be a technique. The attractive character, hook, story, offer, like there's these things. But in and of themselves, they don't do anything. It's when you chain them together into a process that they're successful. And so for example, in the OFA, one of the first things I teach people about is that you're not selling a product, that you're selling a result. That's the first thing. And so then the result, when you're selling this result, when I talk about in there, for example, if somebody comes to you and let's say you're at Home Depot, they don't go to Home Depot to buy a drill. The drill is the tool, but they want a hole in the wall. That's why they're going to get the thing. And same thing, someone doesn't want to buy ClickFunnels. ClickFunnels is the drill. What's the result they want? The result is they want to grow the company. And so ClickFunnels is the drill, but the result is that they want to grow the company. And so it's realizing initially that you're not in the business of selling drills, you're in the business of selling results. And what's the big result someone's looking for if they're coming to you? That's the big question. And then after the big results, they can now step back and like, what's the framework that gets somebody that result? And your drill, may be one step in the framework. ClickFunnels is one step in my framework, but it's not the business. The business is getting people results. That's the first thing I have people understand. So it's like, okay, now understand frameworks is the key. What is the framework? Okay. And the next thing is, how do we turn this framework in... It's like, sorry, so that's one tactic, One technique. That's like me getting somebody inside control. Now you understand that, a business is not a product, a business as a result. What are all the steps in the framework that gets somebody that result? So there's the first technique. The next technique, oh, and now we've got a framework, how do we make this framework tangible? Because just knowing the steps does not make somebody give you money. You have to turn it into something tangible. So from there what we taught people was like, okay, here's the framework, and how to use frameworks," like you needed a video to teach the process. one pager which lays out the homework and assignment, and all that kind of stuff, and now you have something that's tangible that you can trade and exchange for an email address, you can trade and exchange for money. Now you've got a tangible thing. So that's the next technique, is taking the framework and making it tangible. So there's the next piece. And then the third piece, it's like, "How do you increase the value of that framework?". Well now we need to change it from just a singular product into an actual offer, that's the next phase. So how do we turn it into an offer? Well, to make it an offer, we blah, blah, blah. You add the stack multiple products together, and now it becomes a unique, proprietary offer that only you can offer. And that's the next phase, and create an offer. And then I take the offer, and then say, "Okay, now how do we sell this, the core framework, how do we sell that?". Then it becomes the next question, it's like, "What's the sales script we use to sell this product in this thing?". And so that's another standalone. It's like, "Okay, here's a sales script, here's another sales script, here's another one." There's different sales scripts, and that's another technique. And then the next is, "There's different funnels, what funnel do you use?". Then you're plugging it in at each step of the funnel. So anyway, it's interesting because as I look at OFA, we're teaching all these individual techniques, and now this week inside of OFA, and then it's like building an actual funnel. And I explained to people, in fact, yesterday's training I explained this. I was like, "I hope you guys understand this, these foundational things you're learning, like "How to look at business as a result, not a product, and then how to turn that result to a framework, and that framework into something tangible, a product, and then from a product into an offer, and then after you have an offer, how do you sell that offering, what's the sales script to sell that actual offer?", and I was like, if you looking at it this direction, I want you to understand... I even talked about Mr. Miyagi from Karate Kid, I'm like "wax on, wax off". I'm like, "This is the thing you have to understand is what I'm teaching you is these things, they don't make sense in isolation." Like, "Who cares about a result?", or it's like, "I don't sell frameworks, I sell e-comm," or it's, "I don't do frameworks, I'm a dentist." Everyone's got the reason why they don't think things work. I'm like, "No, you understand, this is me teaching you to, Mr. Miyagi, like 'wax on wax off,' from Karate Kid. Or it's me coming in to the kids at high school and saying, "Okay, this is inside control, you have to get inside control." And they're like, but coach, I needed to take a shot." You'll take a shot, a shot is part of your setup, but like inside control's, number one, you have to get that, and control that, and keep that. That's the first piece, you guys can't miss that. And then it's like, "Okay, from here, you got to move to a steering wheel, this is how you get them off balance, that's how you get your motion, that's how you get things moving." So we're layering these things on, to now the kids, when they start chain wrestling, it's getting good at, "Okay, step one, two, three, one, two, three." And now in marketing, it's the same way. As you learn these natural skill sets, like the skill set of, of creating a framework, and then turning that framework tangible, and then turning that tangible product into an offer, and then figuring out how to sell that offer, those little skillsets in and by themselves are individual techniques, but when you tie them together, now you can sell anything. Everything people are learning inside OFA, or that you guys are understanding, instead of OFA, I'm giving people a very specific funnel. There's basically a $7 offer, a $37 order form bump, OTO1, OTO2, thank you page. That's the funnel structure. And it's a great funnel structure, but you can take these principles, anything. Say you want to do webinars, it's like, "Hey, I need a webinar." Awesome, and here comes the wax on wax off, here comes the fundamental. So the question like, “on this webinar, what's the framework you're teaching them? What's the result they're trying to get from being on the webinar? What's the framework that you're going to get? How do you turn this into an offer? What's the sales script you need?” And then you're plugging it into the pages of the funnel. Or it's like, "Oh, I'm going to sell a physical product." What's the cart funnel look like? Or I want to sell high ticket, what's the high ticket cart look like? And it's just like, once you have these little fundamentals, it works in every situation. You just give me a different product, I know the fundamentals, it'll work. I step on the mat with a different wrestler, I know these fundamentals, it doesn't matter, it's going to work. And so I'm plugging in all these core fundamentals, but I get good at chain wrestling, I get good at tying the first thing, the second thing, the third thing, the fourth thing. Or you walk... Right now, it's funny, when people hire me from consulting, it's not like I have to think, "Oh, what am I going to do for this company?" I know what I'm going to do. I know the fundamentals. I walk in, "Cool, what are you selling? All right. So right now you're selling a drill. Okay? Understand you're not selling the drill, you're selling a result. What's the result? What's the framework to get that result? Cool. Now we've got that. How do we turn it into something we can sell? All right, now how do we increase the offer? Now what's the sales message we need?" All the pieces just come together, and it doesn't matter what business, what product, what offer, what funnel type, anything you want, those five or six core fundamentals, we're looking at all of them across the board, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. Does that make sense? Just like in wrestling, it's the same thing. You give me any opponent, doesn't matter. I know that off the whistle I'm going to come in and get inside control. From there, I'm going to try to do steering wheel to try to get my motion, get them off balance, and from there, depending on what the pressure is, either I'm going to snap, or I'm going to snap the wrist, I'm going to do an arm drag, I'm going to do a... There's like 10 things I can do off of their pressure, but I'm chaining these things together. Anyway, so I saw the correlation between the two of, a lot of times you learn a technique, or you learn a tactic in isolation, and it's kind of cool, but it's not till you start getting good at chaining these things together that you become a world-class marketer or a world-class wrestler. Because anybody can do the technique, anybody can go and get inside control on somebody, anybody can go and shoot the shot a certain way, anyone can go and do one of the pieces. You becoming a master comes you understanding the pieces at such a level that you can tie them together at any time. In a wrestling match, you don't have to think through it. You walk out there, the whistle blows, the ref's ready to go, and it's a scramble. The second you walk out there. But you have to notice, simply enough, that your brain subconsciously is able to go, "You want from here, to here, to here, to here, to here." I feel like, for me, in business now it's the same way. You bring me anything, it's like, "Okay," I don't have to think through it. Subconsciously I've drilled these tactics so many times, it's just like, "All right, cool. This is what we're doing, this is how it works." Boom, boom, boom, and we're ready to rock and roll. And so, anyway, I just want to share it with you guys. Because I think a lot of you guys are getting stuck learning the tactic, but not chaining them together. There's a marketing game, there's a lot of pieces in it. There's the product, there's the sales message, there's the offer, there's the traffic, there's all these things. So it's like, learn those fundamentals, and then get good at testing them together, chain wrestling. Chain marketing from one to the next, next. The better you get at those fundamental skill sets, the easier and the better you'll be at building out the funnels, creating the sales messages, et cetera, et cetera. So, anyway, I just wanted share with you guys, as I'm trying to help my wrestlers get the next level by mastering first the techniques, and then weaving them together and chain wrestling, I wanted do the same thing to you guys. We're mastering the techniques, the fundamentals, and then you're weaving them together into chain marketing, where you're going from thing, to thing, to thing, and you understand exactly what you need to do, what you got to create, what the process, what the flow is, and they can plug in any product into any funnel, because the fundamentals are the same on every single step. Does that make sense? All right, with that said, my body is now officially warmed up. I'm going to go give Nora a hug before she heads out to school. Appreciate you guys for listening. If you got any value from this episode, please let me know. Take a screenshot on your phone, and then a post on social media and tag me. I like seeing them and reading the comments, it's a lot of fun. And with that said, appreciate you all. And see you guys all soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this previously released episode, Russell reminds you to listen to what the market wants instead of telling it what it wants. This episode is a few years old, but the message is still just as important today! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody? This is Russell Brunson and welcome to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I want to share something today, and some of you might be thinking, Russell this is a marketing podcast why are you talking about God? Because he has to do with everything, it’s really important. And the lesson I learned this weekend has to do with God, but it also then relates back to you guys and your market, so I think it’s really, really important. So I was in Utah and I had a meeting with someone who is one of the top leaders in my church, the Mormon church. And we believe in our church that there’s a prophet and his 12 apostles, similar to how when Christ was on Earth. And my meeting was with one of the twelve apostles, which was really a huge honor, and scary and exciting and all those things all wrapped into one. And I had a chance to meet with him. So this whole week prior to leading up to it, I’ve had a lot of thoughts about just life and how things work and then obviously meeting with him and then afterwards, it was a really neat reflection in time. And there was something that came out, I mean, there was a lot of stuff I wish I could share in the context of this podcast, but it’s probably not appropriate or the right spot, so I won’t. But there was one thing that just kept ringing through my head that I wanted to share because I think it’s important and it does relate back to marketing. So there you go. Is it I alright if I relate it back to marketing, if I talk about God for a few minutes? Hopefully that’s okay. So it’s interesting, if you look at the world, what the world tries to do is that they see, I don’t want to get political because I don’t care about politics at all, so I’m not going to get political. But I see this mostly, it’s amplified in politics, where it’s like these are the agenda items that people either believe this or believe this and they fight back and forth, who’s right and who’s wrong, and all that stuff. And it’s kind of crazy. And it’s been interesting, in my life, and I’m not perfect in this by any stretch, this is what I aspire to be, when I look at an issue, when I look at something it shouldn’t be what do I believe. What does Russell believe on this topic? It should be, okay I believe in a God, so what does God actually believe on this topic? And then my job as a human here is not to try to convince God that, “No, no, no, you’re wrong.” Because he’s not. So my goal is to look at what he believes on the topic and then bend my will towards that. Say, okay this is what he believes therefore this is what I believe. That’s how it should be, if you do believe in an all powerful creator who created the heavens and the earth and everything. I think we should bend our will towards him. This is what he thinks, therefore this is what I think, on any topic. I think that’s important as we’re trying to set up our belief’s. What we’re for and what we’re against. It should be less of, this is my opinion, this is what I think is right, this is what I studied, what I read. It should be like, what does God actually think and then sit back and pray and find out what he believes and then be like cool. I will align my will with yours. I will align with that because that’s what you believe. So I was thinking about that, again, something I probably wouldn’t normally share inside the podcast, but I started thinking about this from the business standpoint too because there’s always correlations between all things. And it’s funny because a lot of the entrepreneurs that I work with, it’s interesting what they do. They have an idea, “This is a product I want to create. It’s the greatest thing in the world. It’s going to change mankind. I want to charge this price for it, this is how I want to deliver it.” And they have all these things that they want to do because it’s their idea. It’s their baby. And they go out there and they put it on the market and the market crushes it and it’s like, that idea sucks. Or that price point is not right. Or whatever it is, the market goes and does it’s thing. And the market in this situation is kind of like God. The market doesn’t care who you are, not that God, God does care. But the market doesn’t care who you are. The market doesn’t care how good your ideas are. The market is what it is. If you put your thing out there and it will tell you, that idea sucked. Or that idea is amazing. Or whatever the thing in between there is. And our job as entrepreneurs, is not to try to convince the market that our idea is the best, our job is to find out what does the market actually want and then align our will with that. And when you do that, that’s when things explode. That’s why when we test funnels, we’ll test and be like, oh the market said no. And we try again and we test and tweak the messaging and the pricing, we keep moving things around until we figure out what does the market actually want? How much do they want to spend for this? What’s the price point? What do they actually want? Do they even want this product?  A lot of my ideas they didn’t want. As great of an idea as I thought they were, the market did not care about it. And the market is the only thing that actually matters. So I always tell people, it drives me crazy people in my coaching programs, Facebook groups, and everything will come in and be like, “What’s your opinion on this?” and I’m like, “Dude, don’t take my opinion on it. I don’t even trust my opinion on my own stuff. I let the market decide. I create the thing the best I know how to do, based on what I have seen the market respond to in the past. I make the thing and then I send some traffic to it and I let the market vote. And I don’t let the market vote through quizzes or surveys or things like that. Where they’re like, ‘Oh yeah, I would buy that.’ The only thing that I care about is people that actually pull their wallets out of their pocket and swipe their credit card. That is how the market votes. They don’t vote with their mouth, they vote with their credit card.” Anyway, so that’s how it works. So for you guys, as entrepreneurs, it’s important for you to not get so caught up on your ideas and what you believe. It is important for you to figure out what the market actually wants. What they actually believe. They believe this is worth this amount of money, they believe that this is what they want to buy. You figure out what the market actually wants, and you do that you become rich. If you fight against that, you struggle. I’ve seen people go years, maybe decades and never have success because they are trying to jam their belief’s down the market’s throat. And the market doesn’t care about you, all the market wants is what it wants. So you gotta figure out what it wants and then you align your will with that. And that’s it. So as I was thinking about that this weekend with God and our responsibility to not so much try to dictate what we believe and try to shove it down his throat. But to figure out what he believes and align our will him. It’s the same thing with the market. And when you understand that, that’s when business becomes a lot easier. It comes back to Expert Secrets 101, like page 3 or whatever, find a hot market, ask them what they want, and then give it to them. It does not say, find a hot market, decide what you think would be awesome to create and then jam it down their throats. That is a hard business to run. Okay, it’s the opposite way. Find a hot market, ask what they want, and then give it to them. That’s it and the market will tell you. The market will tell you if you’re right. The market will tell you if you’re wrong. If you’re wrong, don’t be mad about it. Just change your approach, change the pricing, change the hook, change the angle, change the product, change the service. Create what it wants and then everything will take place that you need it to. Okay, there you go, is that okay that we reel religion into this thing? Because even if you guys don’t believe in God, it doesn’t mean he’s not there. That’s what’s interesting. I have people, friends that are like, “I don’t believe in God, you shouldn’t talk about it.” I’m like, “Whether you believe in him or not, he’s still there.” That’s the interesting thing. People are like, “I don’t believe this will sell.” Whether you believe it or not, it doesn’t really matter, it’s what the market believes. So let’s go find out what the truth is, and let’s align our belief’s with that. That’s in all aspects of life. So there you go. That’s preacher Brunson preaching on. Hope you guys don’t mind. Anyway, regardless, I hope you got something out of that one and hopefully you guys understand that’s how the world works, how the market works. And when you understand that, and you align your will toward it, that’s how you grow a company. Find a hot market, ask what they want, and give it to them. Alright guys, I’m at the office, I gotta go. See you all soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The thing that encompasses your product, your offer, your funnel, and your value ladder. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. This is a late night edition of the Marketing Secrets Podcast, that's why I'm talking a little bit quieter because I don't want to wake up my wife and kids. But I was thinking about you guys, wanted to jump on and share with you a concept that I call 'the umbrella brand'. I may have mentioned this before in a podcast. And when someone joins my Two Comma Club X Coaching Program, it's one of the first things I tell them to do. Because so many times we get into business and we're thinking about a part of the business. We're thinking about a product, or we start thinking about an offer. Initially, when people get started, before they've been hanging out with me for a while, their first thought is like, "I'm going to create a product," and then eventually they're like, "Wait, I don't want a product, I want an offer." So they create an offer, and then they're like, "Wait, I don't want an offer, I want a funnel with multiple offers in the funnel." And then they're like, "Oh, cool. Actually I don't want just a funnel with offers in it, I want a value ladder." Right? And so the vision starts growing and growing from product, to offer, to funnel, to value ladder. It's interesting because in my business I've done the same thing. I've gone all over the place. I always laugh, because when somebody joined my inner circle back in the day and they'd come in, the very first conversation we'd usually have was like, "Well, how many businesses you have?" And people would be like, "Oh, I've got 12 or eight." And they're always proud of it, and they're like, "I have eight, but four more that I'm building." Like, "Okay, well, the first thing we're going to do to grow your company is you've got to pick which of your eight babies we're going to kill, which we're going to keep?" And they're like, "What?" And I'm like, "You're only allowed to have one." The person that serves more than one master is not going to be successful. And it was always hard them. The people who grew in scale were all ones who started focusing on one business. And so the question though is something that means one funnel, or it means one value ladder. What does that actually mean? And so for me, when I go into a market or when I consult somebody in a market, one of the first things I tell them to do is to create an umbrella brand. It's an umbrella brand that all the other products, and services, and offers, and things can fit underneath. Does that make sense? So if you think about ClickFunnels; ClickFunnels is a software product, but it's an umbrella brand. So underneath ClickFunnels there's a lot of different things, a lot of tools, a lot of stuff. But I want to illustrate this with a different brand of mine that you probably know, that it's probably going to be more clear for most of you guys. A lot of you know I own marketingsecrets.com. This podcast is called the Marketing Secrets Podcast, but right now I've taken most of my intellectual property and I moved it out of my own personal name, I moved it out of ClickFunnels, moved it away from everything, and I set up this umbrella brand called Marketing Secrets. If you look at that, that umbrella brand is the core thing that I do. So it's, I teach people marketing. And so underneath that big umbrella, there's a lot of stuff. There's the Dotcom Secrets book, the Expert Secrets book, the Traffic Secrets book. There's the High Ticket Secrets Training Course, there's the Course Secrets Course, there's... What else do I got? There's all the products, everything I teach. There's this podcast, there's a blog, which I'm not a very good blogger, but there's a blog in there. There's all these things, right? It's cool when you have an umbrella brand, because then all the things in your value ladder fit underneath this thing. And so my education business, the value ladder that's associated with that, it all fits underneath this Marketing Secrets brand. You know, ClickFunnels is different because it's its own brand. And so I'm breaking my own rules, by having two companies. I have my information business company, which is the Marketing Secrets one. Then I have the ClickFunnels software company, but they compliment each other obviously. We're bringing in people through the education company, they're going to software and vice versa, so they do compliment each other. But I just wanted you guys to think through this concept of an umbrella brand. Do you have one? It's cool because right now, there's so many cool new things coming out on the market. For example, Clubhouse came out, and for a long time I was like, "How do I play clubhouse? What do I do? How do I not do this? I've got to figure something out." But if I step back and look my umbrella brand, Marketing Secrets, like, "Oh, I could jump in there and just do a Marketing Secrets Clubhouse room." I jump in there and just say, "Okay, I'm going to share marketing secrets." What does that mean? It means anything. I'm going to share things about marketing that I like, that are exciting. I could bring guest speakers in and like, "Okay, tell me your number one marketing secret. Tell me your number one marketing secret." And it gets really, really fun, right? I can say like in this podcast, every week I'm like, "Hey, what's your marketing secret." What's something I want to talk about, what's something I'm learning. What's something I'm discovering, what's something I remember from the past, I want to share with people. I can just share that. If I have a blog post, I can do blog posts on different marketing secrets. And so this umbrella brand... I don't know, all these things fall off it. Somebody who was going to clubhouse and see, "Oh, there's a Marketing Secrets room. What is this?" They're going to jump in the room, they're going to learn some marketing secrets and they're naturally going to come back and be like, "Okay, Marketing Secrets is this brand that teaches a lot of marketing secrets." But then now it pushes people to a specific offer like, "Oh, I'm going to read a book called Dotcom Secrets or Traffic Secrets or Expert Secrets, or all the things that fit underneath that umbrella brand. This is funny, this is me telling on myself. I've been so good for the last seven years at just focusing on my business, which was ClickFunnels and Marketing Secrets, just focusing on that one baby. But as my team's gotten bigger, we've got 400 plus employees now, part of me is missing the thrill of building offers that aren't necessarily just ClickFunnels offers. And so I've got a little side team where we're building some fun things. But as I'm going into each of these different markets, it's fun because one of the first things I identify is, what's the umbrella brand of this thing? So when I'm thinking about an umbrella brand, I'm thinking about a couple of things, like number one, I should be able to have a blog that fits underneath that brand, there's a podcast that could fit under that brand. I could do a Clubhouse room under that brand, I could do an Instagram channel, I can do all these things, that are not a product, but it's just this brand. A bigger thing, right? And then inside that, underneath this umbrella brand, then I could have products, and then offers, and then funnels, and then value ladders. So that stuff all fits underneath it. But the overarching brand I can use to bring noise to the topic, to the concept, to the thing. Which creates noise, which sucks people in, and then from there, then I can direct them into specific products, and offers, and funnels, that'll solve a problem, fix a result, and things like that. Does that make sense? So, for example, right now we're working on a really cool software product. It's personality based, like those personality tests and things like that. It's not done yet, but it's going to be so cool when it is. And so for me, I say, "Okay, what's the umbrella brand." So I tried to find a really cool domain name, eventually the domain name I got is understand.me. If you go there, it's dead right now, don't go there. The umbrella brand has not been built other than I got a logo, and a couple of things. We did do Summit, and we started playing there a little bit, but there's a lot of work to do. So don't go there and model it yet, later this year you'll be able to. But that becomes this big brand, understanding me. I want to understand myself, I want to understand you, I want to understand people. So it becomes this umbrella brand. Inside of there, now I can do all these things, I can have a blog that's talking about personality tests and understanding. I can have a podcast, I can do a Clubhouse room about personality. There's so many cool things I can do that all tie to this brand. And then inside the brand, eventually, it'll be like, "Oh, hey, if you're listening to this podcast, by the way, guys, cool software, go check it out here." Which I did with click funnels, right? "Oh, by the way, there's this really cool book that's going to teach you specifically, all these bigger, higher level topics, these secrets, these concepts, these, whatever we're talking about. There's a book here that's going to give you very specific... my favorite ones, the ones that I like the most, or whatever. Or the stuff that's the best, just like I did inside Marketing Secrets. Like, "Oh, go buy Dotcom Secrets, buy Expert Secrets, buy Traffic Secrets. So I never really sell a product called Marketing Secrets, because it's not a product, it's a brand. It's an umbrella brand that encompasses the products, the offers, the value ladders, et cetera. So anyway, I don't know. It's late. I may be rambling and this may not make much sense, but anyway, that's just what to think about. I've been buying a lot of big domain names recently, with the idea of, this is going to be an umbrella brand someday for a topic and a concept I'm excited for. We have some cool domains, really excited for it. One of them, for example, if you've read the book Atlas Shrugged, then you know who John Galt is, right? Obviously I've been fascinated with that book for the last year or so of my life. And so when I went to buy it, I bought John Galt Society. So John Galt Society becomes this big umbrella brand. And it could be a blog, it could be a podcast, it could be a news... It could be all these things. It could be an Instagram channel, could be this thing where it's like, "Hey, this is the John Galt Society. We're talking about John Galt and his principles, and all these things." And then under that umbrella brand, then I could sell whatever. I could write books, I could do t-shirts, I could do courses, I could do other things. But this umbrella brand gives ability to bring people in. Another one, I bought haveitall.com. That could be such a cool umbrella brand. It's not a product, it's not an offer, but man, it could be such a cool brand, a big umbrella brand, and then underneath there there's all sorts of things you could do. Bodyevolution.com is a domain name I own, that could be a great umbrella brand. And then underneath there there's weight loss, there's fitness there's... anyway, I digress. I'm just excited about all the cool domains that I'm buying lately. I probably should stop, but it's just so exciting. I don't know if or when any of these ideas will come to fruition, I'm still focusing on my main baby, which is ClickFunnels and the marketing, or the content side of my business, which is Marketing Secrets. That's still the focal point and always will be, but I'm just having fun playing with these other ideas, to be able to test out concepts and try ideas, and then share them back with you guys. So anyway, that's all I got. I'm going to go crash. It's late, I am tired. I appreciate you guys, thanks for listening. Hopefully this wasn't incoherent rambling, I hopefully gave you an idea, to think about your business. Is your business just a product? If so, it needs to evolve, from a product to an offer, from an offer to a funnel. Which, a funnel is basically multiple offers. Then from a funnel to a value ladder, and then what's the big brand above that, that holds all those things underneath it. The bigger brand that's more of a concept, not a product, right? It's more of a... I don't know the right word, but it's the bigger thing where, when you create it and you put it out there, underneath there, all the other stuff falls. All right, hope that helps. Appreciate you all. Thanks for listening, and I'll talk to you soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This weekend, I had the chance to witness one of the best sales presentations of my life. Let me show you how it worked, and how you can model it for what you do. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the marketing secrets podcast. Today, I want to talk about the secret to increasing the perceived value of whatever it is you're selling. And I'm going to tell you a story about how somebody did this to me this weekend and it was amazing. So, here we go. All right, so I'm going to give you some backstory. Some of you guys know that I'm mildly obsessed with books. Books are the coolest, seriously, come on now. And so my office I'm in now, is swelling with books. We have big bookshelves but there's no room left at all. And so, I decided to start a project. We're going to build a library, a huge library in the lot next to our office, so I can have more books. So I think my office right now has, I think we did the math, has like a little under 10,000 books are in there right now. And the new office will hold, or the new library, will hold up like 60,000 books, which is crazy. And I'm going to have different sections. Like one section that's going to be just about business. One on personal development, one on health, one on religion, just the different topics that I'm passionate about, right? And so, and in there I'll have all the books that matter on all those topics and it's going to be amazing. But then on top of that, I'm kind of a collector of old books, because old books are the coolest thing ever. And so, in section, like for the religion section for example, it'd be a big like white glass bulletproof case that has these old religious books in there. And then same thing with personal development. Like, I'm looking at this, The Laws of Success that Napoleon Hill wrote way back in the day, that's so cool. Anyway, that'd be out on display under these bulletproof glass and a bunch of the cool things. So anyway, there's kind of the frame where I'm at, right? And so anyway, there's this guy who messaged me this week and was like, "Hey, I'm one of the top..." Or, not the one of, "I'm the top rare Mormon book collectors in the world." And he's like, "I'm in Utah right now and I can come and show you some of things I have. And he started telling me all the stuff he has, I'm like, "Heck yeah dude, if you want to drive up here, I'll look at it." Not thinking that I'm going to purchase anything. So anyway, so the guy that drives up and he has these cases and brings them out and he's got all these old insanely cool, amazing books, right? Now, again, I can't tell you all the details because... Anyway, so some things don't make any logical sense, but I'll give you the basic gist. So, so you guys know, I actually bought a first edition book of Mormon back in the day, which is one of my prize possessions. And he had like five first additions. And my mine's like a good one, these are like insane. The highest quality in the world, right? And so when he brought him, I'm like, "I'm going to look at these things but I already have one, I don't need another one. There's no way I'm going to do it." Right? And he tells us ahead of time, he said, "I'm not the best sales person in the world, but as I show you these books, I'm just going to tell you the story behind each of them." And I'm like, "Okay." And so, one at a time, he pulls out the book and you see it. And I was like, "Oh cool, yeah, I have one like that." And then he starts telling you the story behind it. Like, "Let me tell you how I found this. This is where I got it. This is what it looks like. This is why it's so cool. This is..." Like, "Look at this, look at the inscription, look at the thing here, look at the thing..." And started showing you all the pieces about it. Where within like 10 minutes I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I want that so bad." And they shows the first book and he's like, "Here's the second book." And pulls it out and tells the story behind that and how he found it, and why it's so cool and the intricacies and why this one's different, and why it's so important, and why very few people have it and the scarcity of it. Right? The second book is the second edition printing of The Book of Mormon, and it was so cool. And he's like, "Just so you know, there's only 25 of these on planet earth right now that we know of. And this one is the best quality one." And shows that and I'm like, "That's so cool." But still in my head, I'm like, "I'm not here to buy anything." And then he shows the third one and the fourth one and the fifth one. Then he shows this other book and then just going through book after book, all these things. And as he did it, he didn't just like, "Oh, here's the book." Like, show it to me. He told me the story about each one. It was interesting, as he told the story, the story, as you guys know, if you've been following me for any amount of time, the story increases the perceived value of the thing. And so by hearing the story, he went from like, "Oh yeah, that's a book." Like, "There's no book." To like, "Ooh, there's an old book that it's pretty cool." To like, "Oh my gosh, I really want this old book." And by then it's like, "I have to have this at all costs." Like, "This needs to be in my library, otherwise, what's the point of building a library? I should just burn it to the ground, right?" And so, it was just fascinating. And this was one of my interesting takeaways. Because I asked this guy, he finds these things, collects them, and then sells them. And I said, "Is this hard for you to sell these after you find them and you know the stories?" And he told me something interesting. He said, "I've regretted every book I've sold." He's like, "But this is what I do. So I've done it for the last 40 years." And it was interesting because I was noticing myself, as he told the stories, how engrossed I got into the story of each book and how important it became to me. And I remember feeling this other thing where I was like, "If I don't buy this..." How much regret I was going to have, because I'm going to miss out on the story and the thing and all the stuff." So by him telling his story, the same regret that he was having by selling this book, was the same regret I was going to have if I didn't have the book, which was super fascinating, don't you think? And anyway, Oh, and then there's so many sales lessons I could tell you. It's from this guy, he's like, "I'm a horrible salesperson." But then also talking about status, right? As he's showing me these books and he's like, "There's a lot of people have three, but there's no one that has all five of these." He's like, "Maybe one or two people on the planet." He's like, "Instantly you'd be one of the top five rare, Mormon book collectors on the planet, if you had this set." And then this, and then... It was crazy. And I come into this thing, not planning on buying anything just wanting to see what he has to two hours, three hours later, writing one of the biggest checks in my life. But I share it to you because I want you to understand, that is the power of story, right? I always tell you guys, if you're teaching a concept, you have to tell the story about how you learned or you earned it. If you're selling a product or service or a thing, you have to tell the story about how it was created. The story is the thing that increases the perceived value. I literally went from like, "Here's an old book." Like, "Oh, sweet." To like, "Let me tell the story of the book." And then he got deeper in the story and the meaning and all these kinds of things got to the point where like, "Wow, that's really cool." To like, "Ooh, I really want that." To like, "If I don't have that, I'm going to lose something." The fear of missing out, of not having that, became so big and so large that I was willing to do, as a buyer, do something completely irrational, to make sure that we had it, right? Anyway, it's just fascinating. It was such a cool case study to me. To see these things being used on me. In fact, I told him at the end, I was like, "Dude, you told me two hours ago that you're not that good at selling." And I'm like, "All selling is, is telling a story in a way that increases the perceived value of the thing that you're trying to sell." I said, "Based on that definition of selling, you're the greatest salespeople I've ever seen." Right? And so, I want you guys to understand that. A lot of times we think, "Oh, we need to do the newest sales trick. I need this technique or I need da, da, da, da." All these kind of things. It's like, "No, no, no." the best sales people, the thing that they do is, they tell a story that increases the perceived value of the thing that they're trying to get you to desire. And if you desire it, then you're going to want it, right? To the point where if you don't have it, then you're going to feel the same regret that that person has giving it away. Like, "If I don't have this, ugh, like what would like what's to happen tomorrow or the next day? How are we going to feel?" All the other emotions start flooding in as well, right? And so, that was the fascinating thing. So anyway, I want to share with you guys for so many reasons. Number one, I'm excited. I got sold, I love getting sold. It's the greatest thing in the world. Number two, just the lesson. And that is the lesson, how do you tell your story in a way that increases the perceived value of the thing you're selling? That's the big secret. That's the big, ah-ha. It's not becoming a slick at selling or figuring out the masterful funnel or any of those things, right? It's getting good at telling the story about the thing that you're selling in a way that increases the perceived value, so that it goes from an, "Oh, it's cool." To a want, to a desire to, "If I don't have this thing, I'm going to regret it for the rest of my life." And that's the magic. So anyway, think of that for your product. Think about next time you're on a Facebook live or doing a podcast or you're trying to sell something or whatever it is. Or you're face-to-face with somebody or whatever, right? What's the story? How did you learn it? How did you earn it? How did you create it? How did you find it? What was the thing? Why is it so important? Why is it valuable? How's that person's status going to be increased if they have it, how's the status going to decrease if they don't have it? How are they going to regret this in the future if they don't have it? Those are all these little things they're tied to the story that make it to the point where it's like, "Oh, I have to have this thing." The better you get at that, the more money you're going to make. Anyway, that's all I got you guys, I hope you enjoyed it. Sunday when this library is done, this will become part of the pilgrimage to internet marketing Mecca. You guys will have to come to Boise, Idaho, and come look at the library and walk through it and see it. It's going to be something magical. There's more things planned inside the library/event center/stuff. But anyway, someday hopefully you have a chance to come see it. I'm sure that as we start building it, you guys will see the footage and the videos and all this stuff. Oh, there's so many cool things that are happening in it. In fact, right now, today, they're out there literally surveying the land, which is exciting. Anyway. So one of those things, one of those dreams that become a reality and I'm really excited for it. My plan is to build out a whole research center and start hiring people to can do research and finding things and searching. And I want to be able to take... I feel like one of my roles here is to sift through tons and tons of information and to find the best things and bring it back to you, right? Like if you look at my books, that's like me going through 10,000 books and 100,000 split tests and things, trying things. And then my books are like, "Here's what I found. Here's what actually works." Right? And I want to do that at a bigger scale, and I want to be able to do that on all the topics I'm excited about in life. And building that research seems to go through and plow through tens of thousands of books, find out the core pieces, bring them back to us so we can test them, we can try them. And then from there be able to give you guys products and courses and books and training or whatever the thing is to help get you guys results in your life. And so, that's kind of next phase in my life that I'm really excited for is that, is building the research center, building the library and then building the team to create those things. So anyway, if any of you guys are interested, if you're a researcher, if you're a writer, if you're obsessed with the things I'm obsessed with, and I don't know, maybe it would be a good fit. Maybe someday I'll put out a job application, see if anyone would love to spend their life living in Russell's library, just reading books and researching and pulling out the gems, so that we can turn it into something that'll change people's lives. Any who, that's all I got for today. I appreciate you guys. Remember, selling is all about learning how to tell your story in a way to increase the perceived value of the thing that you're trying to sell. If you can master that, you'll never have to work another day in your life. All right guys, appreciate you all. We'll talk soon. Bye. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yes, this is how I really feel… Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey, everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I've got a little mini rant for you. All right. So I'm in the middle of The One Funnel Away Challenge, and I am having a lot of fun with it. And it's funny because there's 5500 people that joined this one, which is the most we've ever had in a challenge. Which anytime you have a challenge, or that many people, there's always a little bit of crazy in there. I remember hearing Tim Ferriss talk about one time, he said that ... he's like, "When my following was small, everyone seemed normal, but now on my blog," I can't remember what, he's like "I got 10 million readers." He's like, "10 million people. That's the size of New York City." He's like, "There are a lot of crazy, insane people inside of New York City." So based on that, he's like, "People that are reading me," he's like, "there are lunatics. There are people are insane. There's probably murderers. There's like all these horrible people in there." And he's like, "When your audience is so big, there's always a bunch of crazies." And so, I was thinking about that as we start growing and there's people that come in and say funny things and just frustrating. So today, I saw one. And so, this is my little mini rant about it. The comment was basically like, "Russell, I signed up for One Funnel Way. Why do I keep getting emails about One Funnel Way. I'm super angry, and I'm not impatient. It makes me want to refund my money and blah, blah, blah. Quit spamming me with all your stuff." I was just like, all right, number one, do you know what spam is? The definition of spam is not you signing up for something and you getting emails about it. Spam means me stealing your email and sending you unsolicited mail. That is spamming. You getting messages in an auto responder is not. Number two, the reason why I do not pull you off this because it is actually strategic. It actually helps increase how much money we make. Everyone's got this, I don't know... This is the automation gurus. They had this thought in their head, like you don't want somebody just to email for a product they already bought in the past. If you do, blah, blah, blah. Or you don't want someone to see an ad for a product they already bought in the past. You got to make sure that nobody ever sees it. And so, they stress so much about pulling people out and making sure they don't see this thing, this and this. And the reality is the opposite is actually true. So drives me nuts about it. All the automation groups have this thought that yeah, you have to have perfect automations. That's what this guy was complaining about. Like, "If your system is so good. Why don't you pull me out? Because I already bought it." And there's a reason behind it. The reason is because if I did that, it would actually lower your likelihood of success. I learned this initially, actually from Matt Furey, back in the day, Matt Furey, he was promoting some course he had created. And he sent emails every single day for 30 days. And I was on a coaching call. And I heard somebody ask Matt, "Well, when people buy, do you pull them off the list, so they don't keep getting emails." He's like, "No, why would I do that?" "Because they already bought it, why should you keep sending emails?" He's like, "Because," he's like, "the first thing that happens when they buy something is they get what? Buyer remorse. And then, they may buy a product, and they never actually go through it." He's like, "You have to keep selling the person 100 times, even if they bought. You have to sell them on why they shouldn't feel bad about the thing they bought." Two days later, I'm like, "Oh man, that costs a hundred bucks, maybe I need that money." If they see another ad for it, they're like, "Oh yeah." It reconfirm their decision, gets rid of by remorse. And then someone's like, "Oh, I got the course, I haven't gone through yet." Well, if you never message them about it, they're going to forget about it. If I keep messaging them, you keep seeing the ads, it's like, "Oh yeah, I bought that thing. I should go back and do it. Oh yeah." It re-motivates you, re-inspires you, re-gets you excited about going and consuming the thing you already paid for. So by actually not pulling you off of every single list and every retargeting list and every email sequence, I'm actually doing you a favor. It gives you the ability for me to resell you, reconfirm you, get you more excited about the thing over and over and over and over and over again. If I stopped talking about Click Funnels, the moment you sign up for Click funnels, guess what would happen? You wouldn't use Click Funnels. You wouldn't be successful if you use Click Funnels. Like, "Oh, I guess this doesn't work because Russell's not talking about it anymore." I keep talking about it. Because it works. And sometimes, someone uses Click Funnels. And then, some reason, they're not happier that something happens or their business changes and they cancel. If I just say, "Oh, they used to have Click Funnels once. And they're never going to join again. That is not true. People would sign up and cancel, sign up and cancel, over and over and over again. And so, if you keep talking about your message. So while I understand the importance of automation and moving someone from list to list, a lot of times that is not necessary. In fact, it'll hurt your audience more than it'll actually help them. So take that all of you automation experts who think that that's the magic. Literally before the challenge, my team asked me, "Should we be pulling people off the list, the promotion list as they sign up?" I said, "No, because if you do, they sign up two weeks before the challenge starts, they're going to forget in two weeks. But they see the message and the next message, it's coming to you, it's starting tomorrow. I'm like, "If you haven't signed it yet, make sure you sign up." Those things get people to remember and get people that actually show up. So why would I pull them off of those sequences? I need them as excited as the person that bought, the second before we started. And so anyway, there's my mini rant for today. The other mini rant is I want people to understand... I learned this from Myron Golden. You don't attract who you want, you attract who you are. So if you're the kind of customer coming in and complaining like, "Oh, why are you spamming with all your messages? Stop sending me emails. I want to refund my thing. I'm so angry. I'm so impatient, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Because you're getting an email, for crying out loud? You're not going to be successful in this marketing game. I promise you that. You do not attract who you want, you to attract who you are. And so, if that's how you feel about marketing, that's the kind of people you're going to bring into your world. And they're going to be the worst customers of all time. They're going to complain. They're going to whine. They're going to be like horrible people. Anyway, it's weird. I don't know works, but it's true. So be the kind of customer, be the kind of subscriber you want. If that email comes and it doesn't make sense to you, just delete it or hide it or ignore it. It's really not a big of a deal. I get in my inbox, I'd say, I don't know, on a minimum 800 to a thousand emails a day. Do I get angry about them? No. Someone's like, "Why don't you unsubscribe from the list?" I'm like "Why would I unsubscribe from the lists. I'm a marketer. I'm trying to see marketing. I want to see 1500 emails come in my inbox every day, with 1500 swipe files of people doing the thing that I'm trying to learn how to do, the thing that I'm trying to become better at doing. Why would I unsubscribe? Are you moron? Or "they send like five emails selling this product, I unsubscribe." I'm like, "Really? I thought you signed up to become a marketer. Watch it, watch what they're doing, figure it out." Don't be like, "Oh, I know what I'm talking about. I'm annoyed. Seriously, that's how you're going to fail in life, especially in this game. Watch, be excited, funnel hack. Be like, "Huh." So like, "I'm angry that Russell is doing this I'm inpatient. What if you stopped for a second? It's like, huh, Russell makes a crap ton more money than me. He makes more per day than I make per decade. I wonder if he knows something I don't know." I don't know. I'm just putting it out there. So yeah, there you go. Me, rant over. That's all I got. You guys don't get bought into this whole automation thing. It is not as powerful or important as you probably think it is. That's number one. Number two, you attract who you are, not who you want. So don't be a bad person. Be awesome. That's all I got. Thanks, you guys. Appreciate you all and have a great day. Talk soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How to take the same framework, and turn it into an entire business. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? Good morning. This is Russell Brunson. I want to welcome you back to The Marketing Secrets podcast. Right now, I'm working on the One Funnel Away Challenge and wanted to jump in and say, "Hey". Hey, so this morning, I'm working on day number two of the One Funnel Away Challenge. Some of you guys know for the last almost three years now, we've been running the One Funnel Away Challenge. We had over 70,000 people go through, which is crazy to me. That one challenge alone, it's $100 per ticket, it almost about to hit 2 Comma Club X, which is exciting. Anyway, I decided that I wanted to redo it and kind of update it. And I wanted to do it live. A lot of you guys know, I just did the five day lead challenge live and it was really fun. And now I want to transition to do the One Funnel Away live. So I started yesterday and did the first training and it was great, except for after I got done, we'd open it up for Q and A's. And there was like so many questions that, if I would have taught it a little differently, those questions wouldn't have been there. So I'm actually going in this morning early and I'm rerecording. I'm bringing my clothes I wore yesterday. I'm rerecording the last half of day one. And then we're going to kind of mush that together and fix that for everybody that way moving forward, because this is the only time it will be live. After that, it'll have to be replayed because I can't do the live challenge every day for the rest of my life. So we'll kind of clean up the video and that way they'll have it moving forward. And then I'm doing day number two and then every day basically I'm going live for the next, almost 30 days. I'm not doing live on the weekends, but four weeks. So 20 days in a room Monday through Friday and it's exciting. And it's kind of fun because every time I teach this stuff, it gets clearer in my head. And it's one of the reasons why I think it's so important for all of you guys and me to publish so much. Between podcasts and videos and audios and speaking and doing challenges. And the more you do it, the more your message gets refined and the better it gets. I've been doing this now almost 20 years. So God, that's weird to say. I've been doing this for a long, long, long time and I'm still cleaning my message up. Like today, I just had these little aha's. And anyway I just want to put that out there for you guys. You think you have said your stuff and taught your stuff a lot, you haven't yet. You're still just a very, very beginning of it. That's number one. Number two. One of my big aha's and little takeaways today that I had, not that it was new, but just a new way to kind of teach it that I thought was interesting. I want to share with you guys, I talk a lot about frameworks and how we all need to be developing our own frameworks. And we still have a ton of different frameworks. And frameworks are just basically a step-by-step process, which teach somebody. So let's say you've gotten results in the past. So let's say you figured out how to get six pack abs or how to climb a mountain or how to head throw someone in wrestling or you, you figured out a result. And so how do you do that result? Well, you stand there and you break down the step by step. Step, number one, you do this. Step two, you do this. Step three, and you have this framework for how to reverse engineer, the result that you just got. And so that framework is the thing that we're selling. And so when you have that framework, there's a lot of things you can do with it. And what I was kind of mapping out here in my notes is that you can take that framework and I think you could teach it to most people in three minutes. It's like, here's my framework for how I do a head throw or whatever. How to lose weight or how to do whatever. And that three minute version could be like a YouTube video or an ad. I'm going to teach my framework. And they show the framework and it's really cool. Like, "Oh, that's amazing. I understand the framework." But then there's the next tier of the framework. So let's say, it says three minutes. Let's say you're going to teach that same framework, nothing different, just teaching the same framework. And this time you're going to teach it in an hour. And so you are... You teach it in an hour. So you teach the framework in an hour. And now that framework though, you can sell or you can give away to the lead magnet or you could sell it. So in what we're doing for the One Funnel Away Challenge, this is going to be their $7 offer. And so they have this framework. They're selling for $7 and instead of teaching an hour long version of that framework. So if I'm teaching a head throw in an hour, that might be a little hard. But if I'm teaching... Let's say I'm teaching how to lose weight in an hour, how to get six pack abs, or how to run a Facebook ad or whatever. I teach that thing in an hour and that becomes this product now that I can sell for $7. I'm productizing my framework. I'm taking the framework, turning it into a product, now by bulking it up. And then now, I have the ability to sell that. But now, it's like, okay, what if I took that hour long version and the say there's six steps in that framework. In an hour, I spend 10 minutes in each step. So what if instead I take that and instead of spending 10 minutes on each step, what if I spent on hour in each step? So I take that and a breakdown this framework, instead of being done in one hour, it's done over six modules. Now, it's a six hour course where each bullet point, each step in that process, I spend a full hour on. And now I just turned this thing from $7 offer into a six week course or six module course. And taking the same thing. I'm just teaching it different. I'm bulking it up. I'm telling more stories, I'm showing more examples, I'm showing more case studies. And I'm just doing more each at each level of it. And so now it becomes a six week course. And I can sell it for that for $297 or more. And then the next tier on top of that is, okay, how do we do a 'done for you' version? So instead of me just teaching this, I'm just going to do it for you. So it becomes a service or coaching or things like that. And that can sell from anywhere from 500 bucks to 10,000, 25,000, a 100,000 dollars or more. And it's just taking the same framework I already have, but now I'm actually doing it. I'm showing them how to do it. And so that's kind of the next tier, the next step. And so, anyways, it's interesting. I think lot of times we think we need to create a million different products, have a million different things, but, no, you're just taking your same framework and you're expanding upon it. You've got three minute version, the hour long version, the six module version, the live event version, the workshop version, the coaching version, the one-on-one coaching version. There's a whole bunch of different ways to package it and to fulfill on it. And I think that the key that people have to understand is that people will spend more money for the same product packaged in a different way. When you understand that it changes all these things. And it's exciting. So anyway, I just, this morning I was doodling that out. I'm going to be sharing it on day number two of OFA. I thought that'd be fun to share that with you guys and just get the wheels in your head spinning. What are your frameworks? Have you been thinking about that? What are the things that you teach? That you know how to do. The results that you know how to get for people. Start thinking about those and start developing them and start figuring them out and then make different versions of it. There's the 30 day challenge version. There's the book version. There's, there's a million ways to package it, structure it in a way that's going to help your dream clients get results. So anyway, that's all I got for this morning. Let me go back to finish preparing this. If you haven't done the One Funnel Away Challenge, you probably should do it. It's amazing. It was a hundred bucks and you get me live 20 days in a row. Plus you, well live this first version. You'll get the recordings if you sign up later, but it's still going to be worth it. Every day I stream a live presentation and I teach the strategy and then I give you the homework. I give you a one pager showing the tactics with homework assignments and things like that. And it's a lot of fun. Anyway, I hope that helps. Appreciate you all. Thanks for listening. And we'll see you guys soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What a year 2020 was! It was definitely a crazy, eventful year. Here is a replay of our most popular episode from all of 2020! If you haven’t heard it yet, tune in and see what all the fuss is about! If you have already listened to this episode, feel free to share it with a friend! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what’s up everybody? This is Russell Brunson, welcome back to Marketing Secrets podcast. Today I want to talk about shortcuts. Okay so, I don’t know, if you follow me on Instagram you’ve probably seen the pieces of it, but I’ve been slightly cracking over the last 5 or 6 weeks because the load has been heavy, like insanely heavy. In fact, 6 weeks ago I made a list of all the stuff I have to do and I was just like, ‘I don’t think this is possible.” And couple of nights I couldn’t sleep, I was up until like 4 or 5 in the morning because I couldn’t fall asleep because I stressed about it. Which then made it worse because the next day I couldn’t even function, I was tired and losing days and it was just like, ugh. Anyway, but I’m at the end. I’m at the last week. And in a week from now I’m going to be on vacation for like 2 weeks with my family and just unplug and (breathes deeply) catching a breath of fresh air. But it’s been heavy. And it’s interesting because yesterday, well, this weekend my sister came into town, which has been so much, her whole family.  So it’s like, I hate, I don’t want to ever be the person who misses the party because of work. So I’m like, ‘I have to be part of the party.” So I’m doing all this stuff and making sure I’m not, that I’m there. And yesterday, my daughter, it’s not her birthday yet, but they all went to roaring springs, which is a big water park here, for her birthday. So I’m like, “I can’t miss that.” So I ended up waking up at like 5 in the morning and worked from 5 til noon, getting basically a whole full work day in. Then I took off, went with them to Roaring Springs until like 8 o’clock at night we got back. And then I worked from 8 until like 2:30 in the morning. So I worked like 2 shifts that day, plus the shift with the kids. So sleep is like, basically I’m like, ‘I gotta get rid of something, the only thing I can get rid of is sleep. I’m not getting rid of fun, I’m not getting rid of family, I’m not getting rid of projects. I’m going to pull out sleep and just get rid of it.” which you can’t do for too long. Anyway, now it’s Tuesday so I got Tuesday and Wednesday for me to go and getting all the new coaching modules that are going to be launching next week. I have to get those all done, then plus I have a 3 day event, which is a virtual event, which means I’m the only one there speaking. So I’ve got a dozen or so presentations or so that I’m working on there, needless to say it is a lot. The burden is heavy. But the good news is it’s almost the end. The end of this week I’m going to be able to unplug and just be like, (breathes). So what I want to talk about though, is shortcuts. Because in the process of this, as I’m moving forward as fast as I can to get all these things done, I have to look for shortcuts, because there’s no way to get everything done. It’s impossible. So you have to look for shortcuts. So one of the nice things that I like about this whole, I don’t know maybe it’s bad, but for me, I try to get everything, I don’t pre…..not that I don’t pre-plan, I just, it’s like, just in time production. Like, everything will get done just in time. It doesn’t get done early ever. It never has in my entire life. I never got homework done until the minute it was due. I never got projects done, because if it’s like, if I plan it too far in advance then I have all this time to think, and then , I don’t know, the greatness comes when you’re under pressure and stressed, and you start discovering these shortcuts. So yesterday, we got back from the water park, I’m sitting there, it’s like 8 o’clock, almost 8 o’clock at night, I’m about to start working on the modules again. I’m just like, “I’m not going to get this done in time.” And I’m thinking, “how can I shortcut this? How can I shorten this?” I’m looking for the shortcut right. And then it appeared. And the shortcut in this situation was, “Who’s products, who’s content, who’s courses could I license to shortcut what I’m doing?” And all the sudden I was like, “Oh my gosh.” There was this module I had to create and it probably would have, I mean realistically it would take about a week to create the whole thing. And it would have been good, but I don’t know if it could have been great. And I was like, “Oh my gosh, there’s someone in our community who creates something that’s great. Can I shortcut, I wonder if she’d be willing to let me license it?” So I called her up through Voxer, I’m like, “Hey, I need a quick favor. Would you be willing to license me your entire course?” and within about 15 minutes we figured out a deal and a structure and today I’m wiring her money and she’s sending me her course, and I’m going to be plugging that into the training to fill this gap. And what’s crazy is it just shortcutted me a week. I just bought myself a week back that I would have had to figure out somewhere, like on the boat in Lake Powell. That wouldn’t have worked. Anyway, but I bought myself a week back. And the reality is what she created was so much better than what I had created. Like it’s already, man, I’m looking at the stuff that she’s sending over and I’m like, “This is way better than what I would have done.” She’s so much more detail oriented and everything is more thought through. But it was just a shortcut. It was a shortcut that saved me a week worth of time, it saved me so much stress and anxiety, and then it actually turned out better than if I would have done it myself. So it got me thinking like, where else can I shortcut things? I’m looking at now everything I’m doing right now in this window. I’m like, what can I not do? What can I give someone else? What’s the things? Where can I shortcut things? So for me it was licensing a course, and licensing content. And then this morning I licensed 3 other people. I’m like, “Hey, you’ve got something like this, do you have any product I can license? Or a course or a thing I can license? I gotta teach this concept but you know better than I do. Can I license it?” and people are sending me stuff, and I’m speeding up my process. Anyway, I want to share this because I had this conversation with Todd who, those who don’t know Todd Dickerson, he’s my business partner at Clickfunnels, he’s a dude who built the original Clickfunnels. He’s a genius. Literally the smartest person I’ve ever met. Don’t tell him that because his head will get bigger. No, he’s like literally the smartest person I’ve ever met in my life. And it’s funny because we were talking about him and other developers and things like that, and he said, he told me, “The thing that makes me the best of developers is because I’m so lazy.” I’m like, “What? Dude you are not lazy. You are the hardest worker.” He’s like, “I know I’m a hard worker,” but he’s like, “The reason why I’m such a good developer and I get things done so fast is because I look at everything and I’m like, oh I can do this and there’s a 6 month version and I could do this and it could get done in 6 months.  But is there a way I can get this done in 2 days instead?” And that’s the thought he always looks at. “Instead of me coding the whole thing from scratch, if I borrow this here and this here, and then get these libraries…” I don’t know, this is all coding talk I don’t understand, “then I could get done in 2 days versus 6 months. Maybe I’d have to not do these 4 or 5 features, but it’s done in 2 days versus 6 months.” And it’s funny because he’s trained our development team to start thinking that way. In fact, Ryan Montgomery who was our CTO for a long time, that was always the joke for him, it’s like, ‘When you look at problem you’re like, okay this is going to take me 6 months. Then go get your Todd hat, put your Todd hat on, and think what would Todd do? And Todd would be like, “I wouldn’t do it that way. I would just shortcut here, here, and here and get it done in 2 days as opposed to 6 months.” So that’s the joke. Put your Todd hat on before you come back. That’s good, now put your Todd hat on and re-evaluate and come back with a shorter timeline right. So I’m thinking about that now and it’s like, I just basically put my Todd hat on right, to shortcut these modules and things I’m doing that weren’t realistic for me to get done in time. And now it’s like, I just bought myself a week, I’m moving forward quickly now. And it’s exciting. So I want you to start looking at your projects that way, and a lot of times there’s shortcut. A lot of times there’s a way you could do something faster. You could be licensing someone’s product, you hiring somebody. It could be like a million different things, but what’s the shortcut you can do today that gets you there faster? Put your Todd hat on and figure out how to get the shortcut. So I wanted to share that today because by putting my Todd hat on today I saved myself at least a weeks worth of work, made the product better, and everyone’s happy. The person I licensed the product from is ecstatic, they got a ton of money, and they’re going to get all this credibility because they’re in our product. I got to save myself time and effort. Our customers are going to win because they got a better product when all is said and done. And it’ll all get done faster because I looked for the shortcut. So there you go, there’s the thought for today I wanted to drop on you guys as you’re doing your projects and figuring out what is the shortcut. Putting your Todd hat on and figuring out the shortcut. With that said, thank you guys so much for everything and hopefully you’re moving forward on your projects and getting back to changing the world in your own little way. And with that said, I will talk to you guys all soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A glimpse behind the scenes of what’s happening inside of the five day lead challenge. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. welcome back to a very late night edition of the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today I want to talk about the five day lead challenge, the new OFA and a whole bunch of other, really, really cool things. All right, everybody. So I hope you're watching what I'm doing, even if you don't buy my stuff. That's cool. I get it. But hopefully you're watching what I'm doing. I'm trying to give you guys an education in marketing every single day. I could really, really, really easily just be done. I don't need more money. I don't need more things. Business is running, sales are happening. I'm good. But I keep doing this for a couple reasons. Number one, I love this game. It's so much fun. Right? I'm addicted to it. I'm not going to lie. I can't stop. It's really, really fun. Number two, I feel like half of my role here at ClickFunnels, if not all my role is to do things that you guys can model and have success with in your business, right? And so I want to just talk to you guys about what I'm doing right now, so you can look at it and hopefully you can model it inside of your business. Okay? A lot of you guys know that man, two and a half, three years ago, we launched our first ever One Funnel Away challenge. And hopefully most of you guys have had a chance to go through it. We've had over 70,000 people go through it. If you haven't gone through yet, go to onefunnelaway.com and join it. In fact, now's the time to join it because starting Monday. So you guys are going to be getting this on a Wednesday I believe. On Monday is the new OFA. It's the first time I updated it in two and a half years. I'm doing it live for 30 days. So if you haven't done yet now is the time, okay? But we did that. We've run it. And it's been running for a long time and it's been amazing. It's helped people build funnels, it's helped people understand, ClickFunnels, our culture, our everything. And it's been awesome. We decided this year to go back and to redo it. And as I was brainstorming and planning out, I'm like, "The one problem with the One Funnel Away challenge is that somebody has to know what a funnel is to want to do the One Funnel Away challenge." I went to my mom, I'm like, "Hey, want to do the One Funnel Away challenge?" She'd be like, "What's a funnel?" Well, my mom would know because ClickFunnels. But most people will be like, "What are you even talking about? You sound crazy." Right? And yeah, the challenge has been very successful. So I started thinking, "Okay, how to take one step back to open up our net even wider?" If people in business don't know what a funnel is, what is universal? What is the thing that people know and they understand? And for me, the thing that people know and they understand is a lead. In fact, it's interesting. I don't know if you guys all remember when we started this game five and half, six years ago, seven years ago now, whatever it was. Our big competitor was a site. It was a company called Lead Pages. And I used to tease them and have fun with it because they created pages that in fact, it was a funny story. The very first marketing that we ever went to, the two sponsors were ClickFunnels and lead pages. And it was this little tiny hallway and they had their booth there and we had a booth right across. And then funny about this is Todd's wife, Ashley was... It was just basically me, Todd Dylan, a handful of people. And Todd's wife was at this event. And we made these big, huge signs that had a fun landing page, order form, thank you page, upsell, downsells, membership site. And just a really cool little like banner. And then on top it said, "Can your landing page software do this?" And so we're literally three feet away from their booth across this little tiny hall and they're like, "Landing page software." And then ours is, "Can your landing pages offer do that?" We had t-shirts that had it. It was awesome. Okay? And it's funny, because for me, when I first got in the game, I'm like, "Hey, people use lead pages to generate leads." And then they come to us because they've realized that then they need more just leads. They need a funnel. And it was funny because I had somebody one time asked me like, "Why do you hate Lead Pages so much?" I'm like, "I don't hate Lead Pages. Lead Pages is literally the best front end out there in the market for us. They're one step ahead, one step earlier in the conversation to a customer." I have to explain to you what a funnel is and all these sorts of things. And so you go one step backwards to a lead, it was like every business knows what a lead is. There's no company online in the world that offline, online that doesn't know what a lead is. And so Lead Pages did great because it was so simple. Like, "Wait, you need leads?" "Yeah." "Get a lead page." "Okay." And people did it. And then we came in saying, "Hey, leads are good, but do you want to sell something? Okay, here's the funnel." And so they were our best lead source back when they were growing. They haven't grown in years, but for a long time, I loved it. So I was thinking about this. I'm like, "One Funnel Away challenge is awesome, but how do we go broader to cast a net that's even bigger?" And so I started thinking about Lead Pages. I was like, "Well, we should do a lead challenge and build a very simple lead funnel, a two-page lead funnel. Show them how to build a lead magnet, a lead funnel an email sequence, and then drive traffic." And so that's when this whole concept of the five day lead challenge was born. Okay? And the five day lead challenge is free. In fact, a lot of you guys are probably in it right now. I think by the time this comes out, it'll be day three of the live lead five day lead challenge. And I'm doing this challenge for free and it's live this first time around. And I'm doing it. And what's crazy is when we launched this thing about 30 seconds before I stepped on stage, we refreshed the stats we just passed 35,000 people that had registered for it. And so far of all the things I've ever done, that's the most people that have ever registered for anything I've ever done. So the numbers are insane. Now obviously ClickFunnels has a lot of momentum now, as we always do, which is exciting, but also it's something that everybody can grasp, like leads. I need leads. I don't care if you're network marketer, internet marketer, chiropractor, doctor, dentist, you need leads. And so the lead challenge made sense. It was broader challenge. But also notice this is a free challenge. One Funnel Away challenge costs a $100 for somebody to go through. Where this one's completely free. So it's cast a bigger net. It's free. They come in. They go through this five day process. And in the process, we help them to figure out to understand here's what a basic funnel looks like. Here's how to build a lead magnet. Here's how to put these pieces in place. And the end of the five day challenge, then we're going to invite people to take the next challenge, which is the One Funnel Away challenge. And the new version of the One Funnel Away challenge I'm really excited for. It's brand new from the ground up. If you've done it in the past, you should do it again because this is completely different. It's me teaching it live every day for 30 days. And we're building a very certain, very specific type of sales funnel. One that I love. One that I use a lot. And that's where we'd be teaching, excuse me, teaching everybody how to use. And so I wanted to share it with you guys for a couple reasons. What's your version of the five day lead challenge? Obviously whatever you're selling, there's probably some sub market or say sub something, right? You're targeting certain people, but what's one step back? How can you cast that net a little bit bigger? And then can you do a challenge that's free, that's five days, that gets the cast the net in? They could bring somebody in and at the end of it, then you introduce them to the core thing you're trying to sell. As someone goes through the five day lead challenge, by the time they're done, they know what a funnel is. They know what a lead magnet is. They know what a framework is. They know what a lot of these core things are. Now they're ready for the One Funnel Away challenge. Whereas now we get people who try to come to One Funnel Away challenges. It's confusing. What is a funnel? What is this thing? And we're kind of starting before a lot of them are ready. And so that's what's happening. Anyway, I don't know if you've been watching the five-year lead challenge we got some really cool things. One of the original co-founders of ClickFunnels, his name's Dylan Jones. He's the one who built the original ClickFunnels editor. He came out of his semi-retirement and just built a new product called Onepager. And so I've been using Onepager in the trainings, have you guys noticed it? Every day, I teach a strategy live and then I give them a Onepager. And on Onepager is a video that shows the tactics. Because the tactics are hard to teach live in front of everyone. Like "Here, let me show you how to actually do the steps." It's really hard. So I teach the strategy live. I do it on whiteboard. They're like, "Oh, that's cool. I see the strategy. I understand what I'm doing." And I send the Onepager. The Onepager has a video. It's the tactical, let me show you me doing the thing. And then the Onepager lets them have forms and checklists, so they can actually make sure they do everything you're saying. It's really, really cool. And so what's awesome too, is I'm launching that new company, Onepager.io with Dylan. And day number two in the challenge we're teaching people how to build lead magnets with Onepager. Like I'm using now, I'm trying to get them using it. And so in the process of us creating this challenge, it's really cool because we're able to make money on a lot of different things. We make money when somebody buys Onepager in the future. We make money if somebody buys ClickFunnels. We make money if they sign up for the One Funnel Away challenge. And so by doing these challenges, you can introduce people to different products or services or things you sell. If you're a health person do a weight loss challenge and introduce them to your weight loss shake, and then your workout plans. You can introduce people to different things. Jim Edwards built a whole bunch of really cool scripts for people in the five day lead challenge that we're giving them for free to help them with every single step the copy they need in every single page. What's going to happen is people usually get excited by it. Like, "This is awesome." And then they're probably going to upgrade to FunnelScripts. So this free challenge is really cool because it teaches people, it gives them a result. By the end of the five days, everybody will have a lead magnet, they'll have a funnel. They'll have an email sequence and traffic coming into that funnel. But in the interim, they've had a chance to test all of our products and our services and try them out, see how they work. So what's your equivalent of the five day lead challenge? What could you do? What's something to cast a big net? What's something that introduces people to your core products and your services? What's something that when someone completes the challenge, they leave with a tangible result? Not just like, "You're going to learn how to blah, blah, blah." It's like, "No, when you leave, this will be done. This will be finished." I want to give somebody a tangible so when they're done they're like, "Oh my gosh, I did this five day thing with Russell and I have a funnel, I have a lead magnet, have an email sequence. I need to do the, One Funnel Away challenge because I want to build a sales funnel. Let's go to the next step." if I can give them that result, they're more likely to come and do the next thing. So anyway, I just want to share with you because I'm in the middle of it. I literally just finished recording all the tactic videos a few seconds ago for the Onepagers for the rest of the funnel. And had some energy. I was excited and I thought I'm going to just kind of share this with you guys. But if you haven't seen it yet, go experience it. Funnel hack me. Even if you're like, "I know how to generate leads Russ." Like, "Cool. I don't care." Come follow the process. Half of what I'm doing is for you to model the process. Go to fivedayleadchallenge.com. The number five day lead challenge.com and go join it. Okay? By Friday of this week, when we finished the live, live version, it'll be an evergreen version and we will be driving leads there for forever. My goals in the next year to have over a million people go through the five day lead challenge, right? If I do that, if I get 10% to go to OFA, that's an extra 100 000 people through OFA. How many people does that bring to ClickFunnels? How many people does it to bring into Onepager? How many people does it bring into FunnelScripts? How many people does is it bringing to my world? How many books do I sell? All by doing this challenge on the front end. So anyway, look at it, model it for your business. Figure out how to replicate that concept and see what happens. And let me know how it goes. Thanks you guys so much for hanging out. I appreciate you all. Hopefully you got some guidance from this one. If you did, please go to Instagram, Facebook, wherever you post it, take a screenshot of this episode, tag me in it. I do see those. I do read the comments and it's so much fun to kind of see the takeaways you guys are getting from them. With that said, thanks for listening. I appreciate you all. And I'll talk to you all soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Do you know why Marvel grew so big? It’s because of the way that Stan Lee did this… Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today, I want you to talk about a topic that's actually very, very important, and that topic is why Marvel is so much better than DC, and why that should actually matter to you. All right, all right, I know, some of you guys are freaking out right now. You're like, "No, there's no way, Marvel is not better than DC, Batman's the coolest," and you're going on and on. So I wanted to take step back because there's something we actually can all learn from this which I think is really, really important. It's funny, because I didn't know the whole Marvel, DC, the storyline a long time ago. In fact, it wasn't until I started listening to Business Wars, and Business Wars is a really cool podcast that they take two different companies and over five or six episodes tell the story of the war between these two businesses. And there's all sorts of really cool businesses in there, but one of them was DC versus Marvel. So I was like, "That's cool." So I started listening to it. And I didn't realize the time was just the story behind how those two companies came about. In fact, it's kind of fun, I had Dave Woodward at Funnel Hacking Live, I was like, "Dave, talk about this. I want to talk about DC versus Marvel, and the storytelling, and all those kind of things." He did a really cool presentation on that, actually dressed as Captain America, which was amazing. I feel bad, he was carrying a shield, and a mask, and everything while he was trying to give a presentation on stage. And I was like, "It's going to be hard to breathe up there." But he did an amazing job. But I want to share with you guys, because I think it's interesting, as I've, in the last recent months, binge watched all the Marvel movies once again, I started thinking more and more about it, but it's interesting if you look at the history of it, so DC came out first, they were like the big comic book company, right? If you look at comic books, there are always these people that had supernatural powers, right? Like Superman and things like that. Right? Where they were superheroes, extraterrestrials, or whatever, where they had these superpowers. And they always did good, because people are like, "That'd be cool if I could be a superhero too." Anyway, they did well. And Marvel was competing, and Marvel struggled for a long time. And then it wasn't until this one dude, who I think he was a janitor at the time, and he wanted to write comic books, anyway, I think, it's been a while since I listened to Business War episode, but basically what happened is, and some of the details might be fuzzy or incorrect, but basically he was leaving, he was going in to quit and he's like, "I'm quitting. I don't want to the janitor anymore." And they're like, "Well, why are you leaving?" He's like, "Because I want to write." And they're like, "Well, try to write something." And that was Stan Lee. And he went and he wrote, and I believe the first one he wrote was actually Captain America. And pitched that, they made it a thing, and it became amazing. Right? And then over the next however many decades, Stanley became Stan Lee, who was the man who's known for writing these amazing comic book characters, and storylines, and things like that. If you look at what the difference was between DC and Marvel, because in very short period of time Marvel ended up bypassing DC and became the brand, like the thing. And it's interesting, if you look at DC's characters, and this isn't universal, but at the beginning, DC's characters were all people who were supernatural, had no problems, could not have any issues, right? Like Superman, where it's just like, "Yeah. Yeah, well, he's got kryptonite, so he's got one weakness." But other than that, he's flawless. And it's hard to relate to someone like Superman, right? Eventually they brought in things like his family and things like that to try to make him more relatable, but he wasn't a relatable human. Where Stan Lee, for all the heroes that Stan created, there were people like Captain America, who's a normal person and then something happened and he became Captain America. Or Spider-man, Peter Parker was this normal kid and then this radioactive spider bit him, and he became something. So he was a normal human who then became a superhero, which for us average, normal humans who all want to become superheroes, that's something like, "Oh my gosh, I could become Spider-Man. I could become Ironman." Right? "I could become these characters." And if you notice all of the Marvel characters for the most part they were people, they were human beings with flaws and problems, but then they became superheroes. Whereas DC's were typically these super, you know, they're born as superheroes. Now obviously, the big one that's not true is Batman. And it's funny because Batman is of the DC characters by far the biggest, most popular, most loved. And what's Batman's story? Batman doesn't have superpowers, unless you watch Justice League, then they asked him, "What's your super power?" And he says, "I'm rich." So I guess that's technically Batman's super power. But for the most part, he was the one who was human who had to then create his super powers. Right? Which is why Batman is the one from DC world that we all know, and we love, and we all want to be like. At least me and the other superhero nerds. But yeah, so interesting thing is in the storylines, it's the storylines where it was a normal person who then became a superhero. And so the reason why that should matter to you guys is because you're all in the story telling business, whether you knew it or not, why do you think you're in a product business, or you're in a marketing business, but you're actually in a storytelling business. And your job and your goal is to tell stories. And if you look at just these two examples, right? A lot of times us as insecure humans, when we tell our stories, we want to come off of a place of being a superhero. And I see this all the time, people talk about how great they are, and they brag about themselves, and they share the highlight reel all the time. And it's like the problem with that is then you're like a DC character, right? You're Superman, you're invincible, and it's not relatable. Whereas if you look at it from a Marvel standpoint, and you come back and say "Instead of me telling my highlight reel and why I'm so great, what if I told my origin story? What if I told why I struggled? Why I was a normal person just like them?" What would happen then? Right? In that situation, you build rapport with the audience, they actually listen to you, they care about you, they're drawn to you. And then as you develop your superpowers, they go on that journey with you because they want to become like you, and that's really the key. It's funny when I, man, and not that I'm not now, but in a more insecure time in my life, when I was really struggling with who I was, my identity, and I got in this marketing world, and it's like, "Yeah, tell your stories." And I'm like, "Yeah." So I would tell the stories that made me look really, really good, right? But it was interesting because it didn't connect to people, they didn't relate. Everyone's like, "Great, there's this kid, he's really good at all these things," and just didn't relate. And it wasn't the full truth, if I'm honest, the truth was not that I was super out of the gate, the truth I had to become something, right? And so as I started becoming more vulnerable and more willing to step down off of that and share, "Here's this, here's that," and kind of go through those things and being willing to open up and share those things with people, that's when people started coming to me and started connecting with me. And so, your job is to become like the great Stan Lee and start telling your story in a way that shares your before. Talk about how you were a normal human before you became who you are today. And I'm looking at you today, if you're listening to this then you are a superhero. And some of you guys, it's not going to seem like you're a superhero, especially if you think about my guess is if Superman's like, "Yeah, I can fly, everyone from Krypton can fly, it's not that big of a deal." Right? Or Batman's like, "Yeah, it's really cool to do..." You know? For most of us, our super powers don't seem super to us, because it's the normal, it's what we do. And so, you have to understand though for the rest of the world, what you do is special. And so I'm here to tell you, in case you don't know that, that what you do is special. Even if you don't think it is, or you don't understand it, you don't understand your own worth, you have worth there. There's things you can do, there's people you can serve today because of what you've gone through, what you've experienced and who you've become. It doesn't mean you should stop becoming and stop that path, there's always so much more growth and things that are happening, but understanding that where you are today is a good enough place to start. Looking back on your path of where you've come and who are the people that you can help on this journey to get to where you are today, and whatever thing is you're excited by. And so, then it's coming back and say, "Okay, how do I track those people?" Well, you track those people by telling your story about where you were at back when you were like them. And the more willing you are to share that story and the more vulnerable you are, the more people will come to you. And they don't come to you because of the pedestal you're on, they come to you because you come off that pedestal and share the story about how you were just like them. And so that's what's important. So what is your story? What's the story that's going to scare you to tell the world? What's the story that's probably more vulnerable than you would tell even your friends or your family members? The one that you're scared of? You're scared that people will look down on you if you share that one. That's probably the one you're supposed to share. It's probably the one where you're like, "Man, I know Russell's saying, 'I'll do all the things, but I don't want to do that one thing.'" Okay, that's you, or you feel that way, that's a story you got to share. And so I want to encourage you guys to share it, to test it. And it can be as simple as doing a Facebook live. It can be simple as telling a friend. It can be simple as writing a blog post just to get it out. And the first time it's going to be super uncomfortable, and that's okay. Even if you just record it on your phone and you feel stupid, I understand that. I get that. I feel stupid recording these podcasts half the time, but I do it because it's important, right? It's not about us. In fact, I remember, it's funny because I've been doing these new videos we've been creating and I'm acting in a little bit, and it's just kind of embarrassing. It's like to get somebody to stop a scroll on Facebook, you have to overact and be like, "Wow!" All crazy, you know? And it's tough for me. But I remember listening to, I can't remember who it was but some famous actor, he said, "Your success as an actor relies upon your ability to be uncomfortable on camera." Right? Doing the uncomfortable thing, like talking over the top, or being excited, that's what draws people to you. And I was like, "Man." And that's what I totally feel like. I feel like half the time I'm making stuff I feel so stupid or whatever, but then you see the end product. And even if you're like, "It still is a little cheesy," sometimes it's like that's the thing that connects with people. So, worst case, in fact, let's do this, this is your assignment. If you're listening to this, I'm your teacher and you have an assignment today. Your assignment is to tell your Marvel origin story. Okay? And if it's just to yourself, that's fine. Open up your phone and click record on the audio memo like I'm doing right now, or open it to the camera and just click record, and just go back and try to remember what was your origin story? What was your Peter Parker story, when you got bit by a spider, right? What was your Captain America story, when you got radioactive, whatever, you became Captain America? What was your story about, you know, fill in the blank with whatever superhero you want, but what was your story? Because you've got one, you just got to remember it and then be willing to share it. So do that, record it, try it. And then the next step of if it came out okay, then go and post it somewhere. Text it to somebody, send in a post online, whatever it is. But it's the process of trying and starting this thing out. So, with that said, thanks you guys for listening, I hope this helps. I hope that you guys all start watching more and more Marvel movies because they're amazing. Now one cool thing from the DC world, I don't know the whole story behind this, but I got some details. So how many of you guys have seen Justice League? This is for my superhero nerds. So when Justice League came out, there's a guy, his last name's Snyder, he was a director, who was supposed to be the director of it. And then I guess during the filming of it, I think his daughter passed away or something, so he ended up leaving the project, and somebody else edited Justice League. Justice League came out and it was like, "Okay movie, not the best, not the worst, but not the best." And it came out, and some of you guys have probably seen it, and I guess after it was done, people were mad like, "I wish Snyder would have done this, it would've been way better." And so there was this thing online where people started messaging, "We want a Snyder cut. We want a Snyder cut of the movie." And it became such a big thing that I guess Snyder came back in now, however many three or four years later, and he's taking all the original footage, he's refilming some scenes, and he's doing a Snyder cut, where it's going to be Justice League, The Snyder Cut, coming out. So that's the plan. Brian Burt told me about this, he's one of my inner circle members, he's awesome. And so I started doing some research later and I started freaking out. So I'm actually really, really excited to see the Snyder cut, because they're going to take the broken DC Justice League and make it amazing. Hopefully. Cross your fingers. So anyway, that's all I got, you guys. Appreciate you all, thanks for listening, and I will talk to you all soon. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you want to learn the secret to selling more of your products consistently, this is it… Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. Good morning. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. I'm driving to the office and it is raining outside. It's beautiful. But today I want to talk to you about something that I think so many of us entrepreneurs forget about. We get so excited about creating our product. We are so excited about actually building out our funnel and then miss this step. We do not miss it, but we don't do enough to keep sales consistently coming in. And that's what I want to talk to you guys about today. All right. Consistency in sales. This is the key, right? Everybody can launch a product and make a little bit of money. Everybody can put something out and get a sale every once in a while. How do you make consistent sales all the time? I remember when I was first just getting started in this game, there was this internet marketing forum back in the day called The Warrior Forum. And I was in there. I was a member. I was reading all the internet marketing guys posting, what they're talking about. And some guy posted something about, I can't remember what it was, but he posted something about his sales and how many sales per day he was making. And I remember I was just shocked. I was like, "Wait a minute, you make consistent sales every day?" I thought the whole internet marketing game was like, you create something and every once in a while someone buys it and you get some money to go play, you take your wife out on a date or something. It never crossed my mind there is a way to make consistency in sales. I still remember. I wonder if that post is still there from 18 years ago, whenever it was. But I remember posting, I was just like, "Wait, how do you get sales every single day?" That never crossed my mind as a thing, that that was a possibility. Because I think I looked at my business as a promotion, and I saw I was looking at launches as a launch. You launch it, and you make some money, then you got to create a new thing to launch. And I remember that was the first time it crossed my mind. And he didn't answer, and nobody answered. But I remember I was just like, "Oh, can you imagine what it'd be like to have sales coming in every single day? That'd be insane." And so, that's kind of the premise of what I'm talking about, because so many of you guys have a promotion or you've got something that sells every once in a while, but it's not like a business that's consistently generating cash, that you're consistently trying to grow. Right? And so, yesterday, actually last two days, we hired a really cool company called Chamber Media. And they are basically a contract we're doing, one big ad campaign per month with them for the next 12 months. So, what that means is I go into the studio, they write a script, they create a whole thing, and then we film it. And we filmed the video, and then while we filmed the video, we filmed anywhere from six to 10 retargeting ads at the same time. Right? And so, the last two days we actually did two of them. Well, the first one is like a Mission Impossible thing, because we're using it to sell one funnel away challenge. So, I was high waisted. How you say that word? I was in the air in a harness, flying around like, like Tom Cruise from Mission Impossible. And then, we filmed more stuff, it was so much fun. And then, yesterday was another one is kind of a first person shooter ad and... Anyway, so much fun. We did all things. And I remember at the end of it, they've got their behind the scenes video guy there filming behind the scenes and asking questions to people. And he asked me this question. He said, he's like, "Why do you guys spend so much money creating these funny ads? I just want to understand why you guys are doing this." And the second ad was for Expert Secrets, which is a book. And earlier today someone said, they're like, they've made a comment of like, "He signed a book that's free plus shipping. How was he able to spend this much money on an ad?" And so when the other guy asked me that question on camera, I was thinking for a minute. I said, "You know what? Most people, they spend so much time creating the product. Right? If we write in the book like, Expert Secrets alone was like an 18 month project, right? So it's like a year and a half of your life is dedicated to creating this thing. And then you go out and you create the funnel. And for me, that's like, I geek out for a long time. So, it's 30 days of me geeking out, deep diving Funnel Hacking a million people, writing the copy, doing the videos, all the stuff, the funnel. And then, there's the next phase, there's all different things that go into, right? And then we launch it. We make a whole bunch of book sales. And then for most people that's where it stops. And for me, it's like, "Why I keep investing time and energy money, making new ads and driving new traffic and all these kind of things." And it's like, if you think about it, it's because I love my products so much that I don't stop after we launched the product. Right? I want people to continue to read this book forever. I want millions and millions of copies sold. I want, when I'm dead, that there are still ads being run, my face on it, selling my books. In fact, I've told my team multiple times that if I die, they have permission to continue to run my ads every single day. That's my art, don't turn it off. I remember Billy Mays, who's probably one of the greatest pitchman of all time. When he passed away a couple of years ago, they cut all his ads. I think out of respect for him or for the family or something. But even OxiClean is number one best seller of all time, they cut all his OxiClean ads and put it in someone else. And, and I was just like, "Dude, what?" Ah, Billy Mays as the greatest pitcher of all time, the way he would want his memory to be remembered is people running ads of him. He doesn't care if he's dead or not. That's his art. He wants it to live on beyond himself. And so if my team is listening to this and I've deceased at this point and you're like, "Should we run Russell's ad?" Yes. Keep running the ad. Don't stop it. This is my legacy. I want to continue. You can even add a meme video, from beyond the grave, Russell's coming back to tell you about this book. That's how important it is. I don't care. Keep running my ad. But anyway, I digress. And so that's the reason why I spend so much money, because I care about the product. I don't want it just to be a promotion or one-off thing. Something that makes sales once in a while, I want this thing to sell consistently every single day for the rest of my life. Right? That's the big transformation in people's heads. And so, I think what happens in our world is, we spend so much time creating the product, right? So, we're trying to create a sales funnel, so much time creating the initial campaign that launches and sells it. And then we stop and we move on to the next thing. And in my mind is like, "What a tragedy. You spent so much of your blood, sweat and tears creating this thing." Like I told the guy in the camera, I was like, "My fingers literally were bleeding from writing this book." I don't want it to go down and as just a promotion, this is something that I want to keep pushing and keep driving and keep making sales. And so, the question comes back is, what do we do next? After the thing is launched, where do we put our creativity? Is it the next product? The next thing? And the answer is no. You put your creativity into creating more creative, more ads, more things to go grab people and hook them and bring them into your world. Right? If you read Traffic Secrets, all about hook, story, offer. You already have the story, you already have offer. Now it's going out, and you got to create hook after hook after hook, after hook after hook to grab more people and bring them in to hear your story. Okay. So, the last part which never ends is the creation of hooks. You are creating hooks and hooks and hooks and hooks to keep grabbing people and bringing them into your world. And that's where the creativity lies, I think us as entrepreneurs. And I'm as guilty as anybody. "My creativity is in the next book, the next project, the next funnel, the next thing." And it's like, "No, I need to shift more of my creativity into the next creative, the next ad, the next video, the next message. The next podcast, next thing is going to bring more people into my world." And so, in fact, it's funny, Steven Larsen, he messaged me yesterday on Voxer. He was like, "Dude, in the last..." I can't remember two and a half years or three years since he left ClickFunnels. He's like, "We've launched 90 funnels." He's like, "Only like three of them are making any money. So, we're like killing all the rest of them, and I'm going to start focusing my time on just creating more ads to sell those three that are actually making the money." I was like, "Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about." And so, for most of you guys, you have something amazing. You've created something in the past. It's sitting there on the shelf, or in your ClickFunnels account that made money at once and stopped, or made a little bit, but not what you wanted, so you stopped. The answer's not, "Go make a new thing." It's, "Go create more ads, go create more videos, go talk more, make more noise, get your message out there. Throw out more hooks and hooks and hooks until you find the right hook." Recently watching Dean Graziosi's video from Funnel Hacking Live. He's talked about his book, Millionaire Success Habits. And they spent a year and a half, two years driving traffic to that book, and it did. Okay. Never did awesome. And he kept trying different ads, trying different ads. And it was a year and a half, almost two years in that he did this ad that had a different message, right? It was just a shift on the positioning of how he positioned the thing. And that was the one that hit. And since that point they've sold 500,000 copies of the book or more. But it was just shifting the message. But he didn't know what messaging was right. It took him a year and a half of creating lots of hooks after hook, after hookup hook, after hook, before he found the one that blew it up. Right? And so sometimes we just stop too early. We try a hook, it doesn't work, we're like, "Oh, I'm out." It's like, "No, no, no, no. The product might not be wrong. The funnel might not be wrong. It's your hooks were wrong. Like how many hooks you can throw out today? Is it one? Is a two? Is it 10? Is it 100?" Like, go create more of them. Put more out there, make more ads, create more videos, make more images. All the stuff we're doing, all the things happening around the product around the funnel are as important, if not more so. Well, they're definitely more so for your longterm consistency in sales, right? I think it was really fun yesterday, as we were creating these ads, every single scene of the ad, we'd create the ad, and then we would stop and we'd create retargeting ad right there. Right. And so for one video, we'd have six, seven retargeting ads. Today, I'm coming in, we have a landing page we're creating. And so, I'm trying to get his picture. So we're coming here, we're getting a picture. I was trying to like, "Give me the best hook for the pictures." So, I wore red shirt and red watch and red shoes, because to be bright, right? And the picture, we have these colored, the big colored sticky notes, all these things. Because I'm trying to create a hook to grab people's attention. Right? And then Brandon's coming over with his video camera. And after, we had the pitches landing page, I'm going to create 30 different ads to get people to the landing page. Right? So it's going to be me showing them landing pages, talking about landing pages, and there's all these little micro ads will run on Facebook and YouTube and Instagram and everywhere. All talking about the picture that is the pitch on the landing page to get somebody to opt-in. Right? And so I'll probably create 30 different ads today, all going to the landing page that we're developing today. And that's it. Right? And I'll probably have 30 ads, and probably 20 retargeting ads. So, it's just like, here's the one piece of content. Right? The landing page. But then from that landing page, we go back and we create 30 ads, 40 ads, 50 ads, all just pushing to the landing page. And they're all dumb. They're little, they're fun. And we have no idea which one is going to work, which ones aren't going to work. So, we just make a whole bunch of them. Right? And that's the secret. That's the key to longevity. So, anyway, I hope that I hope that helps. Especially if you guys who were frustrated, sales are down, you trying very hard to get consistency. You want to make this more of a, instead of a hobby, more of a full-time job. It's shifting your focus from the next product to the next ad, and putting in focus in your creativity there. So anyway, I hope that helps. Cool stuff happening and hope you guys are having great holidays. And now that said, I'm going to go inside and take some pictures and create some hooks, and hopefully sell some more books. I appreciate you all. And they'll talk to you soon. Learn more about your ad choices. 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Late night rant. It’s time for the leaders to lead and to start actually making decisions. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson, welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I'm here today on a little bit of a rant. All right, everyone, normally I do these episodes in the morning when I'm driving to the office, things like that. But tonight it's late ... Later, not super late yet, but just got home from wrestling practice with the kids. Anyway, just because of three or four things happened today, it's top of my mind. And so I probably won't give all the exact examples because I don't want to point people out, but I want to point the concept out, because it's something that I think you, as a leader, me as a leader, we need to become better at. And so I think the best way to pre-frame this ... Actually, I'm going to step back to the book, Atlas Shrugged. So hopefully you guys had a chance to listen to the Atlas Shrugged interview that Josh Forti and I did, I posted it here on the podcast. And hopefully for a lot of you guys it got you into the book and got you reading. That was my goal, if I can get you guys reading it, that's more important. But one of the themes that happens a lot throughout the book ... Dagny Taggart, who's the main character in the book, she basically ran the railroad. And there was all these people that worked for her, and all these people. And not just people who worked for her, but the whole society as a whole, and nobody wants to make a decision. Nobody wants to be the person who gets in trouble. They don't want to have their neck on the lines. The train would be stuck or something and they can't get it going. And she comes out and she's like, "Why isn't it moving?" And it's like, "Well, because no one's told us to." And, "Well, just do it." "I can't, because then I'm going to be held responsible, I don't want to get in trouble." And she's like, "Do your job. We need to get this thing moving." "I don't want to because I don't want to get in trouble." And then they'd be like, "Well, will you take responsibility if I have a go, if I ... " Whatever it is. She's like, "Yes, I'll take responsibility." She was willing to take responsibility, and then because of that the train would go. But it was her coming in and taking responsibility. And one of the themes throughout the book is that ... That's the big thing is that nobody wants to take responsibility. Nobody will do something because they want somebody else to like, "Oh, well who's responsible if this goes wrong?" And they want to point to somebody else. And so that's a big thing. I'm not going to get political, but right now we're in this weird thing, this whole COVID season, which is annoying for so many reasons. But one of the things, I'm one of the wrestling coaches and my kids are wrestling and trying to be part of that. And there's these decisions that they're supposed to be making be made. Whatever the decision is, I will follow it and respect it and whatever. But the problem is nobody wants to make decisions. That's the problem, because nobody wants to be held responsible if this happens or this happens or whatever happens. And so even school starting here in Idaho this year, at least in the county that we're in, it got passed three or four times. School started two weeks later than they're supposed to, because nobody wanted to make a decision. No one wanted to be on their clock, "I don't want to be willing to get in trouble. I don't want to be ... " So you keep pushing it, pushing it, pushing it. And now we're seeing the same thing with athletics. These meetings were just like, "Make a decision," but nobody wants to make decisions. You can just pass another date, another date, another person. Nobody wants to just be like, "I'm going to be the one who's going to take responsibility for this decision." We see it in our lives, we see it in government, we see it in school, we see it everywhere. And I just want to pass this to you guys. This is the leaders, this the entrepreneurs, this the people who are trying to be the ones standing up and helping and serving people. The reason why you are called to do those things, because you have to be the ones to make decisions. You have to decide, you have to be willing to take responsibility for a choice. And so many people are scared. In fact, I see it so many times, even people that I coach. And so this is for you who I coach, who you're listening to me, I'm telling you this, because this is a pattern you have to become better at. A lot of people will sign up for coaching and they sign up for you because they want ... If it's going to fail, they want to be able to blame someone else. Let's say you sign for my coaching program. And you're in it and you're like, "Okay, I'm going to do Russell says, I'm going to follow it." And I have people who all time, "Hey, review my funnel. I don't want to launch, look at my funnel first. I want to make sure, I want to get your opinion. I want you to look at ... " They don't want to decide their own. They don't want to take the lead themselves. They always want to have somebody else look at it. So that way if it fails, they go, "Oh, well, Russell told me it was good, it wasn't. So it's his fault not mine." Knock that off. That's the reason why people aren't having more success in life, because you're trying to find somebody else to pass the blame onto. That's the problem. I want to make sure this is very, very clear. That is the problem. And so if you want to be successful in life, you've got to be willing to make a decision and stick with the consequences that happen with it. And sometimes it's hard, because sometimes you make the wrong decision. Many times in my life I've made the wrong decision. Many times in my business I've made the wrong decision. Many times inside of ClickFunnels I made the wrong decision. Many times with my family, with my parenting, I make bad decisions sometimes. I'm not perfect, but I'm willing to make the decision. That's the key, that's what makes you a leader, is being the one who's willing to make the decision and then you're the ones who's ultimately responsible with the consequences of that decision. And so that's the key you have to understand. That's what makes a leader great, not someone who gets the right decision right every single time. Someone who's willing to make decision and then be held accountable, that's the other side of it. I did an episode one time about Extreme Ownership, that book, Extreme Ownership, which is insanely good. But it comes back down to that thing, everyone wants to pass the buck and, "Well this is his fault or her fault, everyone else's fault." We have to stop that. We have to be willing ... Especially us, the people who are hearing the sound of my voice. You are the leaders, you are the entrepreneurs, you're the change makers, you're the people who are going to be changing this world. You have to be ones who are willing to say, "I'm going to make a decision, and I may be wrong but I'm going to make the decision. I'm not going to pass the buck. I'm not going to try to put it on somebody else, I'm going to take extreme ownership. This is the decision I'm going to make. These are the reasons why. And then I'm going to deal with the consequences and then go." And I know it's hard, it is really, really hard. I'm not perfect, I'm not saying that I am. But I see it, I understand. I see it so many times with people who join a coaching program or buy a product or whatever, because they're trying to be able to figure out, "Who can I pass the buck ... Who can I pass the blame on if this thing fails?" And it's like, "No, no, no, no, it's all on you." You have to understand, when all is said and done, it's all on you, a hundred percent of the time. So you can call it extreme ownership, you can call it making ... I don't care what it is, but you have to understand that it's on you. As soon as you're willing to take that on that's when you start on success. I look at the people in our community who are the most successful. They're the ones who are not looking ... They're not the ones who ... They seek after coaching. They are people who have been in my inner circle, they've been in my coaching programs, they've been in things. They're seeking that thing, not so they can, "If it fails, I have someone else to blame," which is why a lot of people do it. It's the opposite, it's like, "I want to come and make myself better and better and better so I can make the correct decisions. But ultimately the decision is mine, it's not Russell's, it's not somebody else's, it's my decision." And so you have to be the one. And so it's good if you're stepping into these things, coaching or whatever else, to be able to become better at making decisions by understanding the lay of the land better, understanding the strategies and the tactics so you can make the correct decision. But ultimately it is your decision. Until you the one willing to risk that and say that and do it, you are going to struggle. And so I just I want to put that out there because, man, I wish I could go and talk to the leaders, the government, the school system and all these kind of things. I don't, I don't have their voice. They're not my people, you're my people. And so while I'm angry and frustrated at other things, I want to bring this back to you. The same thing, and I see this inside companies, my own company, I see it in other people's companies, where there's this thing where they try to get buy-in by committee. So they come in and they have an idea and they get all their team together, "This is my idea, what do you guys think? Give me some feedback, I want to know." And they try to get feedback by committee. Oh, and I hate that, it drives me nuts. You as the leader should have the vision, you're not coming in getting feedback on a vision. This vision is yours, you are ultimately responsible for it. You come to your team, not with, "Hey, I think I have a vision, what do you guys think? Do you like this or not?" No. You come and say, "This is the vision. This is what I have decided." And everyone can line up and help me figure how to make this better and how to execute it correctly, but you're not having them figure out the vision and for you. That is your job, that is your calling, that is your responsibility. You understand that? And that's why I'm not a big believer in marketing by committee, it drives me nuts. Everyone someone's like, "Hey, let's get on a call, lets map out the strategy together to try and figure things out." It's like, "No, no, no. You have the strategy, come to me." I want to see your vision and I'll give you tweaks or changes, things like that, but this is not vision by committee, marketing by committee, product design by committee. No, no, no. That's not how it can work on how it should work. It's coming down to you as the leader setting the vision. You can take direction, you can learn, you can ask for feedback and get all the things you need to be able to make the correct decision, the best decision possible. But you have to understand, as a leader you're not coming in by committee trying to get everybody to decide on the vision or the direction or the marketing thing. You've got to be a leader, flat out. And so this is my calling to you. Leaders,, it's time to step up and lead. It's time to stop trying to outsource your decision-making to a committee or to a coach or to a whatever. Or just hiding from the commitment, trying to move it on, or like people inside Atlas Shrugged just sitting there waiting for Dagny, waiting for somebody who's willing to take the heat if it goes wrong. You got to be the ones willing to take that heat or else nothing's going to change. Sometimes it's going to happen. You're going to make a stupid decision, it happens. I made so many stupid decisions. I can walk you through them all, one day we will. But I'm still here. Why? Because I was willing to take the personal responsibility, "That was my mess up. I messed up. I'm dumb." I get it, but I learned from it and I figured out I kept going forward. It's not like, oh, the fear of, "Oh, I don't want to get in trouble. I don't want to get yelled at. I don't want this, I don't want this." And, "Who can I blame? I got to make someone else make a decision," or this or that or whatever. That's what most people want to do. That's not what we can or should be doing. And so that was the message for tonight. I guess that I've just a little mini rant. I was thinking about tonight and getting frustrated and it's like, "Ah, I got to vent somewhere." So you are my people, so you're the ones who understand what I'm talking about. And I think you can implement this and apply it for yourselves, for your team, for your people. It's time for the leaders to step up and become deciders and make decisions. And so this is my calling to you. No longer are you allowed to push blame on anybody else except for yourself. Don't try to position in a way where you're able to, don't try to blame it on anything else, it's always your fault. And that's the key, be willing to do that. And if you are that's how you're going to be able to make the changes in your own life and the people's lives you can call to serve. So that said, thank you guys. I appreciate you, thanks for listening. Got any value out of this, please, take a screenshot on your phone right now of the app as you're listening to it, so I can see which episode you are. And go on Facebook, Instagram, wherever you're at, tag me. I see all those, I love it. It's fun for me to see what your guys' biggest takeaways were, and hopefully this one resonated with you. For those of you guys who this episode was offensive, for some reason, I'm guaranteed there's always a percentage that what I say offends, there's a scripture that says, "The guilty taketh the truth to be hard because it cuts them to the very center." So instead, if this triggers you for some reason, it's probably because you passing the blame on other people. That's it. So the guilty take the truth to be hard, listen to that. Be like, "If this was hard for me, maybe this is where I'm struggling. Maybe I need to step back and figure this out for myself." Be coachable. It's a hard skill set to learn, but sit back and be coachable. If this felt weird for you, if you didn't enjoy it, if you felt whatever, I would recommend pausing for a second, sitting back and being coachable. Look at yourself, "Man, am I doing this? Is that why it bothered me? Is that why I'm struggling with this?" And so, look at yourself. And maybe I'm wrong, which is totally, totally possible. But from my experiences and I understand what I've done. What I've experienced in my life, this is what I believe is true, therefore I will share it with you and hopefully it'll resonate and serve you. So that said, appreciate you all. Thanks for listening, and I'll talk to you guys all soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As you watch your Christmas movies and think about your relationship with God, I hope that this will give you something interesting to think about. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. And actually we're like a couple of days before Christmas. Instead of "Hey", maybe I should say, "Ho, ho, ho, Merry Christmas." And welcome to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. All right, everybody, we are getting ready for the holidays. I hope you are as well. I know this year has been nuts for pretty much everybody. And so I hope that we are, like me, looking forward to a time where we get to stop thinking and stressing and just think about our families for a little bit. I'm looking forward to it, and hopefully you are as well. Anyway, I'm telling you a story happened last night. It was kind of interesting. So I was, we were going to, my wife was actually, we were with the kids, it was after church and we're kind of getting the kids settled in. And we had a Christmas program at church, which was really nice, but kind of the tone in the house, hasn't been Christmasy and my wife, Colette, was just like, we need to do something so it feels like Christmas in here. And so she went and put in The Polar Express, which, obviously we've seen that a million times. It was kind of fun as a family to sit and watch it. And it was interesting as I was watching this, the whole concept is believe, and it's talking about believing in Santa and things like that. And I'm not going to talk too much about that, but I think that obviously all the things that are happening in the Christmas holiday are symbolic, right? It's the symbolism of gifts. And Christmas is representing Christ and him coming and him bringing the ultimate gift of his life to us and how amazing it is. And then our job is to believe in him and believe in that gift to believe in these things. And again, I know that there are different faiths and denominations listening to this, and if you're not Christian, that's okay. This is, if you were telling me some of your beliefs and no matter what you had, I would respect that and listen, and it wouldn't be offensive to me. So hopefully it's not to you either, but as a Christian, as someone who believes in Christ, I think that Christmas is all symbolic, obviously of him and this gift he brought and our job is to believe in him and then having a belief that our belief actually leads into actions, right? Like if you do believe him, then what does that mean about you? How are you going to try to change your life? How do you become a better person? How are you going to try to live? And it's interesting, as I was thinking about that, I was thinking, Christmas is such a type and shadow of Christ. And I started thinking about just how many other things throughout life are types and shadows of that, right? For those who read the Old Testament, you have the story of Abraham and Isaac and how he had to sacrifice his son. Right. And that is the type and shadow of when our heavenly Father had to sacrifice his son Christ. And throughout the Bible and through other scriptures, like there's all these types and shadows where things are happening and it's foreshadowing events that are happening later in time. Right. And it's so interesting. And I think that, I feel like we have this consistent, I don't know how to explain this correctly. Hopefully I don't mess this up too bad, but throughout our lives, there's these patterns that repeat themselves for us to see and to notice. Right. And it's interesting because my goal is not to get sacrilegious with it. So hopefully I'm not, but it's interesting, you guys are here listening to this podcast because you're entrepreneurs and you're trying to figure out how to market your business and things like that. And so what's the correlation for us, right? And you think about that, in the movie, The Polar Express, these kids are getting on a train and the train's moving forward. And one of the lines of the end is your job is not to think of the train, try to decide if the train's real or not, your job is just to get on the train. Right? And they go through the whole process and talk about how important is to believe. And you've got to believe in this thing you can't see yet and there's kind of the guy in the top of the Polar Express, who's like the opposite. He's the naysayer. He's like, if you can't see it, you can't believe it. You know? And there's kind of the light and the dark and a pulling in both directions. Right? And so obviously there's the spiritual journey that that's symbolizing, right? This is life. We're on this train. We're going towards something... You believe, you don't believe, there's people holding you away and all those kinds of things as you were going to this destination. But I think about it with business, how similar it is too. We come on this business and it's like, okay, the train's moving, right? All you guys were here, either you're on the train now, or you're watching the train go by. You're seeing stories of a person after person after person having success. And you're like, "I don't know what to do. I'd get on the train ride. I get off the train. Is that train even real? Like, is this stuff real what Russell's talking about? Is a fake? Are people actually having success? There's all these things, right. And the first step is your goal is not to try to believe that the trains real or not, it's just to get on the train, right. And so if you're not on the train, that's the first step. Then you get on the train and then it's like, I still think there's so many people that are skeptical. Oh, is this real? Is it not real? Like, do I believe, do I not believe? And it's like, you've got to believe, because if you don't believe, if you don't have faith first then your actions aren't going to follow. I think this might be real but I'm not really sure. The way that you pursue that is going to change, right. It's a reason why when we have faith in God, or in Christ, wherever you have faith in, right? If you have faith and you actually believe, you're going to do things differently. You're going to live differently. You can become someone different because you have belief in it. And if you're like, "Ah, this may or may not be." You're more skeptical, you're not going to take the steps you need to do. And the same thing is true in business. Like in business, if you're getting on this train and you're, "I think it's true, but I'm not really sure. I'm kind of going back and forth. Maybe it's a scam. Maybe it's not, maybe I'm successful, I'm not going to be able to be successful." All the things, right. If you don't have belief, you're not going to take the steps necessary to be successful. That's just, it's an eternal principle in anything, and it's true in... Obviously this is a business podcast, but is true in all aspects of life, right? With marriage. When you meet your spouse, your significant other, the person that you're going to marry, it's like, "Ah, do I get on the train? Do I not going on the train. Is this the right person?" It's like no, like you have to believe this is the right person. Right. You have to have belief in it. And then if you believe like this is your person that you're going to marry, this is my spouse, you do things differently. Right. You become someone different. And so it's true in all aspects of life, same with if you're going to school, if you're going into, I don't care what it is. And so I just, as I was watching, I was just like thinking how interesting it is. How we have these types and these shadows, that the process is the same though over and over and over again. Right? And so in this Christmas season, I just, I don't know, this is kind of a weird podcast to do, and I'm just nervous recording it. Maybe it makes no sense to you. But I think that these principles, as we use them in the Christmas thing, they're kind of funny and they're cute. We watched all the cartoons and the TV shows and there's that version of it. But if you look at it through the lens of like, this is a type and a shadow of my beliefs in God, or my beliefs in my business, or my beliefs in my spouse, my beliefs in myself, my own identity, my own... I can start looking at that. There's these really cool patterns that happen consistently over and over and over and over and over again. And maybe the movies talking about belief in something that may not actually be real, but it's, again, it's a fable, it's a story to illustrate something differently. Right. And so, I don't know, that's kind of been my interesting thing for me as I've been watching this and just looking at... I used to watch Christmas movies just for an enjoying thing, but I'm trying to look at them now, at least as of yesterday, like as a personal development seminar, right? Like what are the principles here? They're talking about belief, they're talking about faith, they're talking about, if you do have belief, like how does that change? If you have real faith, how does that change your actions? And then what's the fruits of that? Like what happens because of it? Right. And so, anyway, it's kind of interesting. So my challenge for you guys in this Christmas season, you guys are watching these things and having fun with your family is just start looking at it because it's something that you can use in different areas of your life, again, from your business, to your spiritual life, to your family life, to relationships. The pattern is there and it repeats itself over and over and over again. It's interesting. It's like when I was geeking out and doing all this study on the hero's two journeys, if I've done some episodes on that, but if you read the book, The Hero With a Thousand Faces, right, he talks about Joseph Campbell in that book, talks about if you look at all a story from like the beginning of time, until now, it doesn't matter what society, what language, what time, what era, the story frameworks are the same. And you see them over and over and over again, right? Almost all successful movie, book, folklore, myth, story, like they all follow the same pattern. I think for a lot of us, at least for me, I look and I'm like, that's really cool. I'm going to, this is the pattern that George Lucas used to build Star Wars. Like, it's really cool. There's the pattern. I see it. I'm going to go back and replicate it. But it's like, why is that pattern everywhere? Why has it been in our DNA as a society from the beginning of time till now? It doesn't matter what language, what society, what time, what era you live in that, that thing is there. And say, maybe it's just not a storyline that someone invented and taught everybody back way back in the day. Maybe it's a framework. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's something there. In fact, if you start looking at just The Hero With a Thousand Faces, right. That book or that framework, it's like, oh my gosh, like the reason why this storyline has been used so many times, it's because it's our storyline, it's your storyline. Right. You start looking at that and that's why we really connect with those movies, because we start seeing this over and over and over again, it's like, this is my story. And so, I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking things. Maybe it's out of place when we talk about this on a marketing podcast. But I just want you guys to, as you're watching movies and things, is just try to put yourself in that, how does this relate to your business, how does it relate to your life, how does it relate to your spirituality? How does really through relationship with a God? Because it does. And even though the stories may be goofy, maybe a reindeer with a red nose and maybe, whatever, the frameworks, the stories that you guys are hearing are based on true principles and there's there's truth in all these things. So anyway, there you go. I'm sure it offends someone. For you, I apologize. For everybody else, hope you enjoyed it. And if you got nothing from this, then just skip through it and listen to next episode after Christmas. But that said, Merry Christmas. I appreciate you guys all. I'm grateful to be here. Grateful, honestly, for your attention. The fact that you listen in this podcast means the world to me, hopefully you get value from it. And we have some new things coming up in the new year and moving forward to make the podcast even better, more exciting. So I'll keep you guys loop on that. With that said, if I don't talk to you before the end of the holidays, have a great holiday and we'll talk to you all again later. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Marley Jaxx recently asked me if I was to create one last piece of content to establish my legacy, what would it be? I hope you love it. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey, everybody. It's Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. All right. I got a short one for you today, but it's one that I think you're going to love. Marley Jaxx had me speak at her live event and for my presentation, she did a QA, which was really fun. She asked a lot of really, really cool questions, but the very last question she asked me, I thought was really cool. The way I answered it was different than I think I would have in a normal situation, but for whatever reason, it came up. It's only, what, three and a half minutes long, but the question she asked me is, "If you were to create one last piece of content, one thing that your friends, your family, your followers, your legacy, that you could tell them, if you tell them anything, what would be the last piece of content you would create?" I gave her this response. I'm going to cue up the theme song. When we come back, you have a chance to hear my thoughts on what the last piece of content I would create would be if I was about to leave this earth. Marley Jaxx: Your one last piece of content, what would you want to share with people? Russell: That's a really cool question. I think I wish I would have understood this when I started my journey because I didn't at all. In fact, it wasn't until probably two or three years ago that I started realizing it, but just how tied our businesses are to an actual mission from God. I always thought those were separate. I'm like, "There's God, and faith, and bleat, whatever, and then there's our careers." In my mind, it was always these separate things. It wasn't until two or three years in the ClickFunnels where I had an amazing coach who sat me down and was just like, "Do you not understand how these things are related?" I'm like, "No, they're separate. God doesn't care about how much money you make. God doesn't care about my business or whatever." She's an amazing coach. She sat me down and was just like, "I want you to understand. Look at this thing. These things you're creating, that you're doing, that you're making, as cool as we all think you are, you're not that smart. These are coming. You're getting inspiration from God that's leading you on a way because you've been called to change people's lives. You've been called the serve a group of people and you're coming out and you're serving them. Then when they bump into you, and you give them the shift, then their life changes, and this person's life changes. This is literally a calling from God who's taking you to help shift other people's lives." I was like, "It never crossed my mind." She's like, "Why in the world do you think 20 years ago you got excited about business. Were you excited about any kind of learning?" I'm like, "No, I hated reading." "Why do you have the biggest library I know?" I'm like, "Because for some reason this thing excited me and it became this insatiable desire. I couldn't stop. I was going to events, speaking in front of no people because I loved it so much and all these things." She helped me understand how tight those things are together. I know some people don't believe in God and that's okay. You can believe in whatever you want, but conceptually, those things are tied together. I think if I could sit down with myself 20 years ago or sit down to any entrepreneur and help them sit down and say, "Look, this is the deal. You think you're starting a business right now, but it's not that. You've been called to serve a group of entrepreneurs," or group of people or a group. We all have stewardship over somebody. We've been called. While most people, they get the calling and they freak out. They walk away and don't do anything with it, which is devastating, but for those who are doing it, you have this calling and it's scary. You will never feel worthy. You're like, "I'm not ready. I'm not worthy. I got imposter syndrome." Marley: Right. Russell: "Who am I to help these people? I'm struggling as much as they are, worse in some situations." All those things, right? You don't feel worthy, but all you know is that, "I've been called and I got to figure this out because if I don't do that, that stewardship will be taken away from me and it will be given someone else. Hopefully, that person will, but this is my calling. I need to figure this out." You look at that lens. It's like, "Oh my gosh. I have stewardship of these people. I need to serve them. I got to figure it out." That's when you start looking at all of the stuff differently, right? The content you're creating, it's like as scary as it is for you, how awkward you feel, it doesn't matter. This is your calling. You were called to serve some people, so get that thing out there. Put it out there and your people are going to hear you. In the New Testament, Christ talks about this. He says, "My sheep will hear my voice and they will come to me," right? It's the same thing for all of us. That's a true principle. I don't care what faith you are or what belief. That is a true principle. Your sheep will hear your voice. Marley: Yeah. Russell: Your job is not to convert the world of your way of thinking or anything. Your job is to get your message out there. If you do it consistently, your sheep will hear your voice. They'll come to you and you'll have a chance to change their life. I think if I could tell every entrepreneur, you are literally changing the lives of people you've been called to serve and this is not just your career versus whatever, but those things are interrelated, that's what I tell them all because then you'd care more. You'd work harder. You'd be more passionate because you realize that this is more than just me trying to make money. This is me changing people's lives. It would be that. Marley: That was a great way to end that. Mic drop. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We were lucky enough to have Nick Santonastasso come to my house and wrestle with me, and give my kids a private workshop. Listen in behind the scenes and hopefully it will change your life like it did ours. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. And Oh boy, do I have a treat for you guys today. So the guest for the podcast is my new friend and wrestling partner, Nick Santonastasso. And he's someone who I had a chance to... I've seen him online a whole bunch of times and a whole bunch of different places. And then he reached out to me out of the blue and said, "Hey, Russell, come out and interview for my podcast." And I knew that he wrestled, and I was like, "Dude. Yes." And I was excited. I'm like, "Yeah, I love your message. Love who you are. I love what you stand for." And he's like, "If you want I'll actually fly out to Boise." And at the time I was just sitting in my wrestling room, I knew he's a wrestler. And I was like, "Dude, how about this? You come out and then you can interview me for your podcast. And then I'll actually wrestle you in my wrestling room?" And he was like, "Yeah, that'd be amazing." And so we planned this whole thing out. And the week before Thanksgiving, he flew out here to Boise and I did an interview for his podcast. And then we came back to my wrestling room and wrestled. And obviously, my entire family wanted to meet him and to see him. If you haven't met Nick before, he has no legs and he only has one arm, and his story is amazing. And the fact that he was a wrestler is even cooler. And so me and him wrestled. And after we got into wrestling, we had so much fun, then everyone, my kids and my wife and my parents were there and everybody had a million questions for him. So I said, "How about this? Let's do a little mini seminar with my kids to be willing to." And he's like, "Sure." And so we pulled up the mats and the crash pads and the box jumps, and we had everybody sit on them, and then Nick had a chance to tell us some of the story and talk to the kids at a really cool level. And it was really fun. One of my kids was really nervous asking questions. He thought I was going to get mad at him. Anyway, it's fun. You have a chance to hear from kids, you ask him questions and hear Nick's story. And I hope that you love it. It was one of the highlights of my year, super special opportunity for me and for my family to have a chance to meet someone like Nick and to hear his story. And it's just a huge blessing that I think he gave me to be able to have him talk to my kids. And so I wanted to share this with you guys, because a lot of you guys have kids, a lot of you guys are kids and a lot of you guys have different situations. And I hope that some of the things that Nick shared with me and my family, it'll mean a lot to you as well. So with that said, we're going to cue the theme song. And we come back, you have a chance to sit in, into a private discussion with my kids and Nick as they talk about life, motivation about doing your best, a whole bunch of other cool things. So with that said, we'll cue the theme song. We'll be right back. Hey everyone, this is Russell Brunson. I'm here in our wrestling room right now with a bunch of my kids and cousins and friends, because we've got a special guest in town, in Boise today who I just got done wrestling, which was so much fun. And this is Nick. We had a great time. And thanks for coming and hanging out with us here in Boise and talking to all the kids. Nick Santonastasso: You got it. Russell: So kind of the game plan we want to do is I wanted my kids to get to know him and hear some of his stories and stuff for so many reasons. And so I'd love to begin with, if you want to tell them little about your story, about your life, growing up wrestling, and just some of the background. And then I got some cool questions about other stuff I want to talk about too. Nick: Yeah. Great. It's pretty open-ended when he said share your story. I got a long story. And so I'll give you a little context of why I was born like this. And yes, I was born like this. I didn't wrestle no sharks or anything. I see we got some laughs. I'm 24 years old. In 1996, my mom went in for a late ultrasound, and a ultrasound is where they see the baby inside the stomach. And they sat my parents down and said, "Something's really wrong." And they said, "From the looks of it, it doesn't look like your baby's limbs are being developed. It looks like he's missing his legs, his arm, and his face might be messed up." Clearly, my face isn't messed up. Right? And so what they did was they classified me with what they call Hanhart syndrome. And Hanhart syndrome is a super rare genetic disorder that either leaves the babies with undeveloped limbs or undeveloped organs. And so that means the babies are either born with a heart that can't beat on its own or their stomach can't process food on its own, and they later on pass away. And so they told my parents that their baby boy has about a 30% chance to live. And so I was born and the test of my organs came back 100% healthy, and the only thing that was affected were my limbs. And so I was born in this unicorn body of no legs and one arm. And all my organs are 100% healthy. Always the lesson behind that is the doctor said it had about a 30% chance to live. And my parents made a massive promise. And that promise was that they were going to focus on the 30% chance of me living rather than the what? Dallin: You dying. Nick: Exactly. You dying. Exactly. The aggressive way to say it. And so the 70% of me dying. Exactly. And so in life, that's the... Ooh, careful. I know you beat me up earlier, but stay on here. And so the little lesson is, would you agree that in your life, there's always something bad that you can focus on? Would you agree? And would you agree that there's always something good that you can focus on? And so the majority of humans, and you can agree, the majority of adults always focus on the negative stuff. And so if we can train our brain to always focus on the good things, then we always win. And so that was how I was born. And then getting into wrestling, when I got into middle school and high school, which some of you, when you get into middle school and high school, at that time, a big portion of life was boyfriends and girlfriends. Awkward phase, getting into middle school and high school. I see people getting awkward. It's awkward. And so I felt like I stood out. Well, I clearly stood out because I have no legs, one arm. And there was a specific moment where I was on the bus and there was a girl to the left of me and she was making fun of everyone on the bus. And I'm like, "Oh my God, she's going to have a field day with me." And she looked over to me and she said, "Nick, I don't even have to start with you. You're already too messed up anyway. Look at you." And I'm only a 14, 15 year old kid. And the first question that pops in my head is, why me? Have you ever asked yourself, like, "Why is this happening to me?" And so I asked myself, "Why is this happening to me?" And from that moment of one girl making fun of me, I thought things like, "Oh, I'm disgusting. I'll never have a girlfriend. I'll never go to a school dance. I'll never be able to walk my girlfriend to her locker because I can't walk. And she want to hold my finger. Is that weird?" I just started thinking about all these negative things. And so for the majority of my life, I felt my body, my no legs and one arm was the most disgusting thing, the biggest curse that life could give me. And then I was able to reframe it. And what reframing is, is say you have a bad event happen in your life. And I had the same thing happen to me. You could see all the good and I could see all the bad, it's what we focus on, yes? And so I realized a couple of years later that if a girl doesn't want to be my girlfriend, or if someone doesn't want to do business with me because of my no legs, one arm, well, wait, maybe this disability or whatever you want to call it is actually working for me and it's filtering out the type of human and womens that I don't want in my life anyway. And so when you show up authentic, when you show up transparent and you show up yourself, would you agree that the universe makes it very easy to see who's your friend and who's not your friend? I mean, have you ever had a situation in school where you thought someone was your friend and they no longer was? Has that ever happened? And that means that we don't want those people in our life. And then you also have people in your life that love on you. Anyone have good friends here? I hope. Raise your hands. That's because you show up yourself. And so I have a quote on my arm. It says, "You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you're all the same." And that's not me making fun of people with legs and arms, but what I'm saying is the best thing you could be, the most authentic thing you could be as who? Who do you think? Were you listening? You. You. You show up, Norah, and you're the greatest Norah that the world has ever seen, because you are you. And so we're going to grow up and people are going to like us and people are not going to like us. Who agrees with that? But as long as you show up yourself, the universe makes it really easy to find out who loves you for you and who doesn't love you for you. Russell: That's awesome. Nick: Facilitator, where else would you like to go? Russell: So now we're in high school, struggling with high school stuff. And you told me your older brother's a wrestler, and you wanted to do that. I'd love to hear the story about wrestling, why you got involved in that. Nick: Yeah. So my older brother was a wrestler. He's a really good wrestler and I thought wrestlers were the coolest thing on earth. And so when I got into high school, I was looking for a way to build more confidence in myself, because I didn't have much confidence. And so I wanted to do something that was going to make me feel really good about myself. And so I wanted to become an athlete after my whole life people said, "Nick, you can't be an athlete. You can't do sports. You have no legs, one arm." And so, one day I came into school, my friend said, "Nick, you should try wrestling." And I said, "I can't my arm." And this, we call it the potato. It looks like a potato now. But it used to look like a chicken wing. You believe it? Do you believe it? And the reason why it looked like a chicken wing is because this arm was five inches longer than it is now. And my bone was going faster than my skin. So it was super sensitive. And the bottom line is if I would have hit my arm hard enough, my bone would've came through my skin. Yeah, crazy. Right. And so I couldn't do any physical activities with it. And so one day I came home and I said, "Mom and dad, I want to become a wrestler." And they said, "You can't, your arm." And then I looked at my parents and I said, "Can we cut my arm off?" And they said, "What?" And I said, "Yeah, I'm not joking. Can we cut my arm off? Can we do something about it?" And they said, "Is this something that you really want to do?" And I said, "It's going to make me an athlete. I'll be able to wrestle. I'll have more confidence in myself." And so my sophomore year of high school, my parents scheduled the appointment for the doctors to amputate my arm. And so I have these scars here, but what they did was, I didn't know they could do this, but they lasered five inches of my bone off. And then they pulled extra skin. Now you're taller than me. Then they pulled extra skin from my shoulder over my bone so I could beat people up with it. I remember right before I went into surgery, I said, "Doc, if I can't beat someone over the head with my arm when I come back, we're going to have a problem. I need to be able to do some physical activities with this thing." And so I went throughout the surgery and I go back to school. I had 17 stitches in my arm and I was the happiest kid that just cut his arm off. I go back to school, smiling. And people are like, "Nick, what'd you do?" I'm like, "I cut my arm off. It's great." And they said, "Why?" And I said, "I'm going to become a wrestler." And people made fun of me. They said, "Nick, how are you going to become a wrestler? You have no legs and one arm." And so I went out and I became a wrestler. My junior year, I got my butt kicked. And then my senior year, I was able to come out as the 106 pound varsity wrestler from my high school. And would you agree that that would probably instilled confidence in me and I'd probably feel a little bit better about myself, I'm an athlete, maybe the girls would like me? That's my thought process as a 16, 17 year old kid. And then the app, Vine came out. Y'all know what Vine is? You remember Vine? You remember Vine? Vine was an app that you could post six second videos. Raise your hand if you know what Vine is. Adults, raise your hand if you know what Vine is. All right, I'm going to educate you. So Vine was an app in 2014. I was a senior in high school where you can post six second videos. You had to be as creative as you can in six seconds. And so I wanted to create a way where I could make people laugh, but inspire them at the same time. And I wanted to do something that has never been done before. And so I was with my friends like this, and we're thinking of an idea. And I said, "I got an idea." I said, "How many legless guys do you see crawling around Walmart, pretending to be a zombie?" Bowen: Propped up just like that and siting in a elevator or something? Nick: That was me. And so I said, "That's a great idea." And so I'm a senior in high school and I put fake blood on my face and I put fake blood on my clothes, and I set out to my local Walmart in New Jersey, which Nick's not allowed in that Walmart anymore. And I go down the aisles and I'm looking for my victim, and I see this guy, he's heavily invested in the paper towels. And I looked at my camera guy, I go, "Record this. I'm going to try to scare him." And so I came around the corner as fast as I could like this. And he goes, "Oh," he threw the paper towels at my face. And I looked at my camera guy. I go, "Was that six seconds?" He goes, "Yes." I'm like, "Yes, this is just what the internet needs." And so I apologized to the guy. I told him I wasn't a zombie and that I'm really alive. And, "Thanks for letting me prank you." And I told my friends, "Pick me up and carry me out of Walmart before we get kicked out." And so I posted the video and I wanted 500 kids to see the video. I wanted to get 500 views. I posted the video and I went to sleep. And when I woke up for school, the next morning, the video had over 80,000 likes and over 80,000 reposts. I go back to school, my friends were like, "Dude, you're the zombie king." And I'm like, "What did I get myself into?" And so in under a year, my senior year I gained a million followers on Vine and the owners of The Walking Dead, the TV show hired me to fly out to Tokyo, Japan, to scare the main actor of The Walking Dead as a zombie. And so, the lesson in this, don't try to crawl around Walmart. It probably won't work for you, but would you agree that we all have unique gifts, unique ways, unique ways to make people laugh, inspire them? For me it was crawling around Walmart at the time, but we all have unique gifts. As you said, God gives us unique gifts and we have to use those. And so I use my unique body to scare people and make them laugh at the same time, which led me into going out on the internet and gaining a bunch of followers. And then I realized at one point that when I have kids and grandkids, that I want them to know me for much more than crawling around a Walmart. So I did what every kid with no legs and one arm kid would do, is I tried out for bodybuilding, said, no one ever. A lot of the times in bodybuilding, they say you have to focus on your legs, but most bodybuilders skip leg day anyway. And so I fit right in. Where do you want to go from here? But that's my zombie prank story. And so some of you may have seen my zombie pranks. You've seen them? Ryker: I've seen the one where you crawl in Walmart. Nick: Yeah. So that was high school Nick. I've evolved. I've come a long way from scaring people in Walmart. Russell: That's cool. So you got into bodybuilding and then I just wonder, because one of things I think a lot of us people don't do is we dabble in things. Like, "Oh, we'll try this. I'm going to try this and try this." But when you decided, "I'm going to be a bodybuilder," it wasn't just dabbling, right? You shifted your environment, shifted everything. You want to talk about the process there and what you did to be successful? Nick: Yeah. What humans have, we all have it is shiny objects into syndrome, kind of like Norah. You like shiny objects, right? Stars and bells and whistles and all humans like that. And so we try to do one thing and we're like, "Oh, maybe I want to try this over here." And so when I wanted to become a bodybuilder, I was living in New Jersey and it's very cold in New Jersey most of the time. And so I moved to Florida because it's... Have you ever been to Florida, anyone? We got to get you to Florida. I know Boise is great, but I mean, Florida is great too. And so I moved to Florida and I wanted to become a bodybuilder. And the first thing I did was found a really big muscle dude. And I said, "Will you teach me how to body build? You look like you know what you're doing." And that's what we do in business, is if we want to do something, we find out someone who's successful and we model them. And the reason being is because we don't have to reinvent the wheel, we don't have to recreate something. We just find someone who's successful and we learn from them. And so I attempted to become a bodybuilder. And when I moved to Florida, I told everyone, over a million people that followed me that before 2017 was over, I was going to step or hop on the competitive bodybuilding stage before the year was over. And so I did a 12 week preparation and I dedicated 12 weeks of my life to training and health and fitness. And I was 10 weeks into my prep, and I went to Vegas for an expo. And one of the days I went to the gym. Do you guys know The Rock? Everyone: Yeah. Nick: So The Rock was in the gym when I was at the gym and I've been blowing him up with bodybuilding videos for years. And so he already knew who I was. And so I go in the gym and low behold, there's Dwayne, The Rock Johnson. And he's surrounded by four security guards. And he's working out. I'm like, "Oh my God, it's The Rock." And I told my friends, I said, "Let's not bother this man." I stick out like a sore thumb. If he sees me, he's going to know who Nick is. And so after about 45 minutes of lifting, his security guard comes over and taps me on my shoulder and says, "You're Nick, right?" I said, "Not many people look like this. I'm Nick." And he goes, "Can Dwayne meet you?" I was like, "Dude, bring him on. I've been waiting all this time." And so they bring me over into the corner and they bring The Rock over and The Rock gets on my level or tries his best to get on my level. And he goes, "Dude, I'm such a big fan. Can I have a picture with you?" And on the outside, I'm like, "Sure, bro." But on the inside and I'm like, "Oh my God, it's Dwayne The Rock Johnson." Fangirling. And so we took a picture and I blurted out all my goals to him. I said, "I'm going to be the first Calvin Klein model with no legs. I'm going to write a book. I'm going to speak all over the world." And he said, "Nick, you're right, because people like you and I, they put us in any industry and we adapt and overcome." And all of us, would you agree with COVID and during this weird time, we've all adapted? We do school differently. We hang out with friends differently. Would you agree, we all have adapted? And so the more that we exercise the muscle of doing things differently, the more successful we'll be when we're adults. And so after that, I went back to Florida and I competed in bodybuilding against full-bodied guys. And I took third. I beat full body guys in bodybuilding, but I was telling Russell that I competed in the category where they don't judge your legs. That was important, because I don't got legs, I don't want them to judge my legs. And so I competed and I took third and I was the first man with no legs, one arm to jump on a bodybuilding stage. And the quote that I use is, "Over the 24 years of my life, I realized it's not the physical body that holds us back. But the biggest disability you can have," what do you think it is? "Your mindset." Great job. You guys rock. Russell: Awesome. The next thing we'll talk to you about is I know in your company you have a program that goes over a year long, Victorious, right? Nick: Yep. Russell: And each month covers a different letter. So I'd love just today and then probably out of time after that, but talking about the V and what that is in victorious. Victorious, right? Nick: Yeah. Junior Victorious. Russell: Yeah. And just talk about that for these guys because I think that's the first step for a lot of these guys when they're planning goals in sports or school, or any of their things they're trying to become. Nick: Yeah. So Junior Victorious, I created it because people like me and Russell, if we have all the knowledge and we don't give it to kids, then what's the use of it? Because we're not going to be around forever. That's just reality. And so we have to teach young people like you, so you can come, go and take over the world when you grow up. And so Victorious, basically the first month is V which stands for vision. And what vision is, is getting really clear on what you want in life. I think you can agree that the majority of humans don't really know what they want in life. They go to work or they go to school and don't really know why. Their first answer is, "I have to," but there's a deeper reason why you go to school. You probably want to be something, you want to do something with your life. And so V is getting clear. Say, you're an athlete. It's like, how many wins do you want to have? How many hours a day do you want to drill? What grades do you want to get? Does anyone know what they want to be when they're older? Curious. No idea. You got something, in the pink? Dallin: I would say it, but I don't think my dad would like it though. Nick: Got it. Maybe we'll skip over that one. But a vision. Are you okay? So vision basically is just getting very clear on what you want. And the reason why... Do you like cars? Dallin: Yeah. Nick: What kind of cars do you like? What kind of car do you want? You don't know? Dallin: Just one that goes fast. Nick: Yeah, exactly. So if he says, "I want a car and the one that goes fast," he's not going to get it because he doesn't know what car he wants. so the more clear that he can get on what car he wants, who agrees that he'll get the car faster because he knows exactly what he wants? That's a perfect example of all human beings. They want things, but they don't really know what they want. Right? Dallin: Yeah. Nick: And so next time I come back to Boise, I want you to have a specific car that you want so we can go get that car. Is that cool? I'm not buying it. Russ will buy it. But so getting very clear on what you want. And so it's like, who do you want to be? What kind of job do you want to work? What kind of college do you want to go to? What kind of school do you want to be? And the more clear that you can get on things, the faster that you'll get them. That's why, for example, if you wanted a specific car, adults help me out here because kids are a little bit difficult. Have you ever wanted a specific car and you were driving down the road and it was the only car you saw? I don't wear dresses, but women, have you ever wanted a specific dress and you finally got that dress and then you saw a bunch of other women that had the same dress? It's because your brain will go to what you want. That's why people who are depressed or people who are sad, they'll always be sad because they're always focused on the bad in their life. They're not focused on the good. And so our brain is extremely powerful because say you and I were very heavily invested in real estate, and they were whispering a conversation about real estate, we would hear it because our brain would pick up on it because that's where our focus is. That's why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The poor always focus on all the bad in their life, and the rich are focused on the opportunities. And so your brain is a computer. What you focus on, you will get more of. And so if you're always focused on, why me, or why is this happening to me? Or why does my life suck? Your brain will always come up with answers of why your life sucks. Who sees that? But if you ask yourself the question of, why am I amazing? Why did I get beat by Norah during the wrestling match? Or why is my life amazing? Your brain will always find the answer. And that's the thing. Our brain is a problem solving computer. And so it always looks for problems to solve. And you know this, if you're sitting around in your house and you don't have a problem, your brain will think of a problem and you'll try to solve it just because that's the way the brain works. And so I'll give you an easy example. If I woke up every single day, a man with no legs, one arm, and I focused on the fact that I'll never become a professional soccer player, will I be happy or sad? Quick. Everyone: Sad. Nick: Sad, right? I'm never become a professional soccer player. That's reality. But if I focus on what are my unique strengths, how can I make people laugh? How can I inspire them? What does my life look like then? It's better, right? That's where my focus is. Like Tony says where focus goes... Russell: Energy flows. Nick: Energy flows. They're a tough crowd. Russell: Okay. Next one. What questions do you guys have for Nick? Ryker? Ryker: How do you drive a car? Nick: That's a great question. So I drive a car, regular wheel. He's probably laughing because he doesn't think I could drive a car. So he just got proved wrong real quick. That's like teenage years, they try to test people. And so I drive a car with a regular wheel. That's why he's getting embarrassed. That's why you drive a car with a regular wheel. And then I have a little lever and I push the lever for brake and I push the level over for gas. And actually I have videos of me drifting my race car around the parking lot. Great question. Russell: There's another question here. Nick: You got one? Dallin: No. Nick: Okay. I'm just making sure. Aiden? Aiden: What's your favorite food? Nick: Great question. You want to guess? Aiden: I don't know. Nick: I like spaghetti. I'm Italian. My parents gave me a lot of spaghetti as a kid. You like spaghetti? What to go eat spaghetti after this? We can ditch this thing, get some spaghetti. That was a great question. Russell: Any other questions you guys have? We're super lucky to have him here. Bradley: I've got a question. How do you battle the fear of when you're trying to start something new or try something? How do you overcome the fear of trying something new? Nick: That's a great question. I'll give you a little story to help paint the picture. So they'd done a study on skydivers. And basically, they hooked the heart monitor up to skydivers. And so when they fly them up in the plane, their heart is going really fast. They're getting super nervous. "Oh my God." And then the moment that they jump out of the plane, their heart goes back to the normal speed. And so how do we eliminate fear? We take action. And so a lot of the times Russell and I are probably scared to do new things. Well, you're not scared to launch new funnels. You're a master at it. But launching new things, we're very scared. But I'd much rather attempt at my dreams and my goals and be on the sideline, hoping, wishing and regretting. Because at the end of the day, we only have one life for all we know. And there's so many people that are sitting on the sideline of life, making fun of people, bashing them. "You can't do this, you can't do that." But I'd much rather be on the mat rather than on the sideline. And also, realizing that failure is just feedback. A lot of the times we get programmed as kids that failure is bad. "I don't want to fail," but actually failure's our greatest lesson, our teaching. And so I failed a lot at life. Everything was hard for me, getting my clothes on, feeding myself, you name it, it was hard. And that's why I've been so successful is because I'm not afraid of failure. And so if we learn early on that failure is amazing and failure is our best friend, we'll have a better life. And so a little quote for you to remember, if you want to remember it, is, "If failure is a foe, you will never grow. If failure is a friend, you'll learn to the end." Super easy. I had to make it super dumb proof for adults as well. Do you want to ask a question? Dallin: Yeah. It's like, I don't know. It's just like talking about dropping out. Russell: Do you want me to ask it for you? Dallin: Yeah. Russell: So Dallin wants to be successful in life, but he focuses on he wants to drop out of high school. All he ever talks about is, "I want to drop out. I want to drop out." That's his vision and his goal, which is interesting, because I think he's got the right mindset. He wants to be successful, but he focuses on that all the time. So the question he wants to ask you is about him dropping out of school. Nick: Now you can ask it. Dallin: Oh. How do I say it? Nick: How do you drop out? Dallin: Yeah. Or, I don't know. Should I do it? Nick: Let me ask you a question. Do you individually pay for your school? Dallin: Nope. Nick: So why not get the knowledge if it's free? Dallin: I didn't think of it like that. Nick: Because when you're an adult, you're going to have to pay for knowledge. So if you're getting it for free why not take an advantage? Dallin: Because it's boring. Not boring, because I'm positive. Nick: Great takeaway. But would you agree if something's free, you might as well leverage it? Dallin: Yeah. Nick: So if you're a teenager and you're stuck in school, why not learn as much as you can because it's free and you're not paying for it? You probably don't take it serious enough because you don't pay for it. So maybe you need a little bit more skin in the game. Dallin: Maybe. I don't know. Nick: So I'd say get the knowledge while it's there. Dallin: All right. Nick: Who's the O.G? He says broke and stupid. Who's that? Zig Ziglar. Is it Zig or Jim Rohn? Russell: I think it's Jim. Nick: One of them. "The worst thing you could be is broke and stupid." And on top of that broke, stupid and ugly. You can't fix ugly. You might as well get the knowledge while it's there. I'm not calling you ugly, but I'm saying is you don't want to be broke or stupid. So get the knowledge while it's there. You're not paying for it. It's free knowledge. You'd be stupid not to take the knowledge. Dude, once you get out of high school, do you want. If you can't make it through high school, you ain't going to make it through business. Good luck. Good luck. High school is easy. Real world's way harder than high school. If you want to quit and tap out in high school, good luck, brother. Dallin: Oh boy. Nick: Let's keep that in there. That's a great lesson. That's a great lesson. That's a great lesson. I'm going to post it on my Instagram. What do you think? Russell: Do you have any questions? No. All right. Anybody else? Nick: That was a good question. It takes a lot to ask a question like that. Want to know why? Because most people wouldn't ask that question. I like it. I like the question. Great. You want to drop out too? Oh, okay. Just making sure. Just making sure. Russell: The good news for all your kids is everybody wants to drop out. It doesn't mean we do. I want to drop out of business lots of times. It gets hard. I got angry, I got people suing me. I got all sorts of stuff and it's tons of times I'm like, "Oh, it's so much easier to drop out." But it's like, well, I have a vision, we talked about it earlier. What's the vision? What are you trying to accomplish in life. You got to through a lot of hard stuff to get the good stuff. If you're not willing to go through the hard stuff, you never get the good stuff. Nick: You want a family one day? Dallin: Maybe. Nick: Okay. Do you want a girlfriend one day? Dallin: Yeah. Nick: Maybe. Or a boyfriend? Dallin: No. Nick: Okay. I don't know, whatever you go. But imagine your kid coming up to you one day and said, "My dad's a dropout." Dallin: I'd be proud. Nick: Dude, I like it. As long as you're proud of your decision and you made something of it, but I'm not your dad. I'm just a coach. Russell: He tells a story you told in lunchtime about your motivations that anchors you back to keep working out hard in the hard times. Nick: Yeah. So a lot of people ask me like, "How do you say so motivated to say so healthy with no legs, one arm?" And the reality is that there's a lot of kids that are paralyzed in wheelchairs. There's a lot of adults that are paralyzed in wheelchairs that look outside every day and say, "I wish I could go outside. Or I wish I could go to the gym," and they can't. But the one little visualization that I was going in with him is whenever I feel myself falling off track, I picture me, I'm 24, so I picture myself like 30, 35 and maybe I have a kid or two and I'm in my office. And that kid walks in and says, "Dad, why'd you get so fat? Dad, why did you let yourself go? Dad, you used to be a great speaker. Why did you give up on your dreams?" It makes me feel some type of way. If I really went into it, I'd probably start crying, because I never want my kid to look at me as a disappointment. And so I may not have kids now, but it's a motivation for me to keep going, because at one point I'm not going to be building a business for myself. Who am I going to be building a business for? My family. So it's way deeper than us as we get old. But you're young, so you've got time. Don't worry about kids calling you fat or anything. But what I'm saying is I visualize my kids looking at me and I want them to look at me proud, not as a fat dad that gave up on his dreams. Who agrees? Or a fat mom that gave up on their dreams. That's a bit aggressive. It works for me. Russell: That's awesome. Very cool. Anything else you've got? Nick: You guys are full of energy. I love it. Russell: I appreciate you, man. Thanks for coming, spending time with us and the kids. Nick: You got it. Norah, thanks for beating me up today. Russell: This is awesome. All right. Let's give Nick a huge round of applause. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After doing UPW Virtual, it was really interesting to notice Tony’s use of his frameworks. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. So today I want to talk about a whole bunch of cool stuff. I want to talk about Tony Robbins, UPW frameworks, teaching, stories, the one chip challenge, and a whole bunch more. Hey everyone, I hope you guys are awesome. So I'm recording this as Tony Robbins is about to start day number two of Unleash the Power Within, and those who don't know the story about Unleash the Power Within, is Tony's big flagship event that I've been to twice by myself, Collette's been to it twice, and I was excited someday to take my kids to it, but we haven't been able to because of the coronavirus, so they're doing virtual and the live event, you have a chance to walk across fire, but at the virtual one, they don't obviously have the fire walk. So that's kind of sad, but we got to do breaking boards. So that's what's happening today. That's kind of where in the timeline of the world I'm at. But first I want to tell you guys about something horrible that I experienced. So some of the best marketing ever, but probably one the worst experiences of my life. One of my friends called me up, one of my trainers, and he said, "Hey, do you want to do the one chip challenge?" I'm like, "What's that?" He's like, "It's this chip that comes in a box that looks like a coffin, and it's the hottest chip in the world and you try to eat it." And I was like, "Heck yeah!" And so he bought them for me and for Dave and for our kids and for everyone. So they, actually the night before UPW, they all came over and we did the one chip challenge. And so you throw this chip in your mouth, you chew it up, and then you try to see how long you can not drink water for. So of the four people that did it, I wussed out the fastest. I was in less, I think it was a minute 30 when I was about to die and I had to get water, but it burned for the next, it burned bad for like 30 minutes. Dave made it for 10 minutes without taking any water. Jackson did it for the longest. He was a little over 10 minutes. Dallin, my son, he did it like three minutes. So I was by far the worst and it hurt so bad, but what was even worse, is not only did it hurt going in, after it was in my body, it hurt so bad for probably 45 minutes or so I was going to die, and then I went into the bathroom and I puked probably about 20 times, which was the greatest gift in the world. It felt so good to get it out of me. Anyway. So, but it was amazing marketing. Think about this. So one chip for eight bucks comes in a coffin. It's this big contest, this viral thing where everyone tries to do it. They post their pictures and their videos online and it's this horrible, horrible experience. And then on the backside of it, they sell their bags of chips, which are hot and not as hot as the crazy ones. So anyway, I had a chance to participate in that and it was horrible, but we survived it and the next day was UPW and I was so excited because when I first went you to UPW, my twins were probably three years old. I remember thinking someday when they're teenagers, I want to bring them to it and have them experience this because imagine how different your life would be if you experienced this up front. It's funny because in your head, you get this picture what it's going to look like, and your kid's going to be there taking notes and loving it, and the actual reality... So yesterday was a 15 hour day and I got to give it to them, they lasted for six hours. Six hours of them watching it and then you could tell, it was pretty tough and they were ready to be done. So they, we let them leave, and then they came back, we did the board break with them that night, which was really fun. And then I think today they're taking off. So, but they got some of it in, but it's just one of those things where in your head, you have this visualization of what it's going to look like and how amazing it's going to be and how excited. Anyway, one of those things I was a little frustrated last night because I'm just like, "Oh, I wanted my kids to experience this," and they kind of experienced a little bit of it, but anyway, maybe they're not old enough yet. Maybe, I don't know. It's hard. Being a parent is hard because you have these things in your mind that you want to do for your kids. You want them to experience. You want to help them, all these things. Like, "If I could, if someone had given me this and this and this, these tools ahead of time, I'd be so much more successful today," and it's tough when... I don't know. I'd probably have been the same way when I was their age. So anyway, someday maybe when they're 30, they're going to listen to this podcast episode, and be like, "Oh my dad actually did really care about me. He wasn't just frustrated. He really wanted me to learn something." Oh, anyway. All right. So let me change subjects, not subjects, but the reason I wanted to do this podcast. So I've talked a lot about creating your own frameworks. Talked a lot about telling stories, about teaching, all sorts of stuff like that. So yesterday was really fun. As UPW started, I took out my notebook and as Tony was teaching, and he taught 15 hours yesterday, so it was a long session, right? But as he was teaching, I noticed he started teaching different frameworks. And so as he started teaching each framework, I started writing them down and from yesterday alone, I probably missed some, but I got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13. 13 frameworks that Tony taught in 15 hours. So basically he was averaging one framework per hour. And if you watch Tony, he gets up there with no notes, no slides, no nothing. He just starts teaching. And then when he starts into a framework, his team will throw up slides and the slides are usually like, they have a title, right? So the first framework he talked about was the three levels of mastery, and it's like, "One, two, three." That's his framework. So he starts getting close to the three levels of mastery, his team throws up the slides, and he's got part one, or step one, step two, step three. If you notice the way he teaches, he's got a story for each thing. Story for step one, story for step two, story for step three. So he tells all the stories around this framework, it takes like, an hour. They shift to the second framework, which the second one was the three mandates to leadership. And as he starts getting into that topic that his team throws the slides up, it's got three mandates, one, two and three. So he teaches number one, tells a story about it. Teaches number two, tells a story. Teaches number three, tells a story, boom, you're an hour in. Then he's like, "Next framework, success cycle," right? He never calls them frameworks. But if you watch what he's doing, that's all he's literally doing. He's just, he has a framework that he throws up and he tells a bunch of stories to teach the concept of the framework. So here's the frameworks I got yesterday. And again, I may have missed some, but the three levels of mastery, the three mandates of leadership, the success cycle, the three decisions that change your life, the three patterns of fear or focus and meaning, the two primary fears, the three ways to grow a business, the two master skills, three forces of creation, the three chunks of practical psychology, the three things that cause suffering, the triad, the three molders of meaning, and the six human needs. Okay? So those are all the frameworks he taught on day number one at UPW. Tony has taught UPW, I don't know, four or five, six times a year, every year for like, 40 years. And so what's interesting is that I went to UPW the first time, 12 or 13 years ago, and guess what's interesting? These were the same frameworks he taught then. Most of the stories were the same stories, okay? So Tony can go to UPW and I'm sure he plans and prepares, but he doesn't really have to. He just shows up. He's like, "Hey, here's my," what'd I say? "My 15 frameworks, I'm going to be teaching on day number one." And so he gets up there, welcomes everybody, starts telling stories. And then he's like, "Hey, I know the very first one's going to be three levels of mastery." So he starts talking about mastery, team pops up the slides, he sees the thing, "Oh, three levels of mastery, step number one," teaches the thing. Step number two, tell the story. Number three, he tells the story. Okay. And then goes to the next one, and the next one. He's just got a process, and he goes through all these frameworks and that's day number one at UPW, right? And day number two, I haven't taken notes yet, but I'm sure day number two's the same thing. Here's the 22 frameworks we're covering. Day three, here's the 13 frameworks we're covering. Day number four, here's the 12 frameworks we're covering, right? It's just these frameworks. And then how do you do it for 15 hours? You just tell stories in every single step of the framework. Okay. And notice these frameworks aren't insanely complex, right? I think sometimes people hear me talk about frameworks and they're like, "Russell, your Perfect Webinar is intense." I'm like, "Yeah, I know I had to write a whole book to explain it." Your Expert Secrets book is my whole framework on the Perfect Webinar, right? But it's like, you don't have to have complex frameworks. Listen to Tony's. The three levels of mastery, the three mandates of leadership, the three decisions to change your life, the three patterns of focus, the two primary fears, the three ways to grow a business, the two masters skills, they're all a thing. They're all finite. There are three things, two things. The biggest one is the six human needs, which is the six things. Everything else is either three or two steps, right? But each of them are a framework. And then as he teaches them, again, it's not this huge complex thing. It's like, "Here's the framework. The three levels of mastery, step number one," right? Says what it is. Number two, tells the story. It helps illustrate his point, and then probably shared a success story to tie it back in, right? It's very similar to my framework and how to teach the framework, right? And so you look at that, this is the concept. This is what he does. If you guys are like, "How does Tony Robbins teach a 50 hour seminar in a weekend?" This is it. He wrote down probably 50 frameworks, and he breaks down over four days. "How does he teach A Date with Destiny? His second one that's five days?" Okay, it's the next set of frameworks. "How does he teach life mastery?" It's the next set of frameworks. "How does he's business mastery?" It's his business frameworks. "How's he teach wealth mastery?" It's his investing frameworks. "How does he teach?" Right? That's it. And so for you guys, I hope you're starting to get this, right? We keep talking about this. What are your frameworks? You need to start creating your frameworks and give them proprietary names, right? So you create your framework for losing weight, for making money, for being successful, for running faster, for jumping higher, for whatever, just start creating frameworks, right? And again, they're not super complex, right? The two primary fears, that's a framework. The three ways to grow a business, that's a framework, the two master skills, that's a framework, right? Do you have two master skills of jumping? The two master skills of stock investing, the two master skills of how to get bigger biceps, the two master skills of getting your calf bigger? I don't know, whatever it is. You've just got to create your frameworks, right? If you dive deep into the Perfect Webinar script, all I do is the Perfect Webinar is number one, you tell your origin story about how you discovered the framework. Then secret number one, you reveal the first framework, right? Which is your framework about the vehicle. So for me, my first framework is funnel hacking, right? So there's my funnel hacking framework. And then secret number two is your framework for the internal fear. So my framework for internal fears is called funnel cloning. If you're scared of making a funnel, let me show you a clone inside of Click Funnels, and there's my framework for that, right? And number three is my external framework. So for me, the external framework is how to get traffic. So the title of my third framework is my number one traffic hack, right? And there's a framework for my number one traffic hacking. "Well how do you do it?" Step number one, you go to similarweb.com. Step number two, you type in your domain url. Step number three, you see all the websites that are driving traffic. Step number four, you might have some the same, on the same websites, right? Anyway, I'm going fast for those who are in my world. If you're new to my world, you probably, "What is he talking about?" If you go watch my webinar, you can see my webinar. My webinar is literally just me teaching my frameworks with one minute change, and then the minute change is that we pull out one step of how we teach them. Anyway, ah, that's a whole podcast for another day. I'm not going to go into that. But if you are excited about that, depending on when you get, because I'm not sure when this episode will be going live, but during black Friday this year, we are relaunching perfectwebinarsecrets.com, and I just recorded a two hour training on how I do my webinars showing this concept of how we weave the frameworks in. So if you want to go deeper and you want to understand how to use this for webinars, go to perfectwebinarsecrets.com after Thanksgiving 2020. So whenever, depending when you're listening to it, you can get there, it's going to be seven bucks and it's super cheap and amazing. But anyway, I digress. I wanted to share this with you guys because this is the secret to being a teacher, a guru, an expert, whatever you want to call it, is developing your own frameworks, giving them a proprietary name so it becomes your framework, right? And then learning how to teach them, and teaching's literally here's the three steps. Let me tell you a story about step number, story about number two, story about number three. So it ingrains into their brains and their understanding, and then they have that tool, that framework, they can then look back on and use over and over again. I still remember the very first UPW I went to 10, 12, however many years ago it was, but I remember going through all this and I didn't realize he was doing it and understanding their frameworks, but there were a couple that really had a big impact on me. The ones that had the biggest impact on me, the three mandates of leadership. I still remember that one to this day because it was like, "Step number one is look at things as they are not worse than they are. Step number two, look at things better than they are. Step number three, work to make them that way," right? That's the three mandates of leadership. I learned that 12 years ago. And I still remember it to this day, because that framework, the way he told the stories, whatever it was, integrated in my brain, and I could recycle that 12 years later because I remembered it. I don't remember all the frameworks, but that one meant something to me. The other one was the triad, the three molders of meaning. I've taught that one a ton of times, because that was one that had such a big, profound impact on me. When he taught it, I remember the stories whatever resonated with me, was like how to get into state. And I remember I've used that every day of my life since then, right? It was such a powerful framework. And the third one that still to this day is a part of my favorite of all the Tony's teachings is the six human needs. That one had such a profound impact on me. And it was funny, I watched the video last night of him reteaching it, and I was like, "I've taught this so many times now," because it had such a profound impact on me, but I've all of these are frameworks, those were the three that stuck with me, that became part of me, right? And that's what I think all of us teachers want. We want to be able to teach stuff that becomes part of our students, that they understand it, they learn it, they integrate it, it becomes part of them. And so for UPW, for me, I went through his whole thing and those three stuck with me for a decade now, and this time going through it again, I'm like, "Oh yeah, that's a cool one. Ah, I don't remember that one. Oh yeah, I forgot about that one," and those things keep coming back. Okay? But for you, it’s just creating these frameworks, and sometimes you're like, "I got to create new frameworks, new frameworks." Tony hasn't been creating new frameworks. These are the frameworks, literally these are the same frameworks. If I went back to my notebook from 12 years ago, the first UPW I went to, these were the same ones taught then, exact same ones, nothing different, right? Some of the stories might be a little different, but most of them weren't. In fact, it was funny, there's this one story he tells and Collette's like, "Oh, this is the red square story," and I was like, "What?" And then all of a sudden he gets into it and I was like, "Oh yeah, I remember that story." And yeah, it's the same story from 15 years ago, right? And so it becomes really, really cool when you start looking at it that way, right? If you think about it, it's like... Like my Two Comma Club LIVE event or any of the events that I've done consistently, I could show up and teach them without any advanced notice needed, right? I have my frameworks, I know the stories. I just teach them, and I'm good to go. In fact, if you look at most of the stuff I do nowadays, it's interesting because like the dotcom secrets book, like I was on the road teaching those principles for a decade before I wrote the book, right? And so the value ladder's one of my frameworks, and all these things are my frameworks that I taught forever and I know the stories behind them. I know what stories I'm going to tell. When I tell the value ladder framework, I still tell the same story about my dentist and getting a postcard and showing up and getting my teeth cleaned. And he's like, "Ah, your teeth are yellow," And, "Do you drink coffee?" "No, I don't." Oh, learn about tooth whitening. I know the stories, right? I tell them so many times over and over and over and over again. So I can show up and say, "Hey, the framework someone needs is the value ladder, and what story am I going to tell?" And I just pull it out of my pocket because I've told that story a million times. I know exactly where it goes, how it fits and it's easy, right? So that's the key. I did a podcast a couple of weeks ago that was kind of another distinction on top of this. We talked about publishing and for years I told everyone you've got to publish every single day for a year and you'll be successful. And the big realization that I got from Dave Woodward, actually his son Parker, was that it's not just publishing to publish, it's publishing around your framework, right? You're telling stories and showing examples, and you're talking about the practical examples of your framework. So if you guys are misunderstanding that, you got to create these frameworks, and these frameworks become the foundation of everything. It's the foundation of your content, the foundation of your courses, your seminars, your events, your products, your YouTube videos. These things get weaved in and out over and over and over and over and over again. And so anyway, I just wanted to kind of, I don't know, just keep drilling deep on this. What are your frameworks? Start developing them and start watching as you go and you start learning from other people. Take notes. Again, I just, all my notes this time, were just writing down the names of Tony's frameworks. I just wanted to see them written out, right? And so when you watch me teach, or Tony, or anyone who's an amazing teacher, go watch and notice, and notice how they use their frameworks over and over and over and over again. Anyway, I hope that helps. With that said it's time. It's time to end this podcast, and for you guys to go sit down and figure out a framework. Make one that's easy, go make one right now. Again at Two Comma Club LIVE, I have everyone go and make a framework for how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, right. Which is a fun one. But what could be your framework? Make a framework on how to eat a hot chip, right? How to win the one chip challenge. Or make a framework on, again, whatever your product, your service is, pick something and it doesn't have to be hard, right? Just pick something, title it, give it its own proprietary name, where it's your name, have it be the three steps of whatever. The three levels of whatever. The three mandates of, the three decisions blank, the three patterns of, the two primary, the three ways to, the two master of something, the three, four... Anyway, just make it, and then start teaching it, and start talking about it, start sharing it. Start figuring out what stories you can tell to make that framework stick in people's minds better and be able to bring back and remember it and recall it so they can actually use it and integrate into their own lives. Anyway, I hope that helps and gives you guys a glimpse of how Tony teaches, how I teach, and how the greats all do it. Thanks so much, guys. I appreciate you all for listening and we'll talk to you soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered why I’m always creating new offers and products when it would just be so much easier to sit back and relax? Enjoy this episode from the archives explaining why I keep throwing out so many hooks! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What’s up everybody? This is Russell Brunson, welcome to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I learned something really interesting about myself tonight and I wanted to share it with you guys. Hey everyone, I hope everything is going amazing for you guys. Friday, I did a training. So the training was for everybody who had gone to the 10x Growth Con event, Grant Cardone’s event. If you guys were there you saw at the event, I did a presentation and made 90 million, excuse me, not 90 million, that’d be cool, 3 million dollars in 90 minutes, setting all sorts of records and it was really, really cool. Then the next day I got up onstage and we did a bonus where if anyone signed up before I left, basically we were going to let them, I was going to do a workshop where I walked them through exactly what I did and how I did it and all that kind of stuff. So that workshop I actually did on Friday, which was really cool. I thought it was going to be about 3 hours long, I ended up going for 6 ½ hours. I don’t know, I just get excited and I can’t stop talking and sharing and it’s just a lot of fun. Hopefully you guys are okay if I over deliver. But it was cool. And then obviously, immediately afterwards I’m all excited to go and try to turn this into an offer and to sell it, and I bought 10xsecrets.com, and I’m like, “I’m going to put this in the offer, and this and this, and the training….” And my whole brain is going crazy with this whole process. And then part of me is like, why am I doing this? Why am I creating another offer, a new front end, another product? Maybe it’s because I have a problem, I got a funnel addiction, maybe a little of all those things, I don’t know. But what was interesting, I actually this weekend thought a lot about that. It’s fun, I love reading the Facebook comments of people in our groups and especially just hearing people’s success stories and stuff. And there’s this really interesting pattern this weekend for me, as I was just scrolling through stuff. So many people told me, “Oh for me Russell, it was when I read the Dotcom Secrets book, that’s when it clicked.” Or “Oh for me it was when I was at this event and you said this, and that’s when everything clicked.” And “For me it was when…” people are sharing what it was for them that made it all click for them, and when it clicked the business took off. And it made me start thinking, what were the pivotal parts in my journey where something clicked and it was like, transitional shift and shift and shift and shift. Twice this week I did trainings for the Two Comma Club X coaching program, where I shared something that had been shared other places, just had been shared differently and had different stories around it and stuff like that. And the same thing, people were like, “Oh that time it clicked. Now I understand where I’m going.” So you never know when, like when you’re sharing message which one’s going to click with which people. That’s why I keep telling my stories and my things over and over and over and over again, because you never know when it’s going to click for that person who’s there. Sometimes it’s repetitive for some people and sometimes it’s like the thing that makes it click. And I started thinking about this, I’m so excited to create this offer and then I was bummed about it because I was like, why am I doing this? The last thing in the world I really need right now is more money. I’m like, what is the reason? Why am I so excited about doing this? And then it kind of hit me, I think the reason why is that I know that, that training was the newest one I’d done. It was 6 ½ hours, I put my heart and soul into it because I wanted to over deliver. It was really cool actually. I actually went through and I taught the foundation of offer creating, because that’s the key to the webinar. Then I taught the Perfect Webinar, and then I went through the actual presentation from 10x and then I pushed play and watched and paused, “This is why I did that.” Push play, pause, “This is why I did this.” Just kind of went through the whole thing. It was interesting, I even found out a couple of new nuances to the Perfect Webinar that I didn’t ever realize until I was like pausing myself and I was like, “oh wow, I did that thing. I didn’t even realize that.” So I was sharing those things, talked about the price marinade, a whole bunch of cool things I’ve never really talked about before. But I was thinking about this, between our email lists and everything, there’s over a million entrepreneurs that follow me, right. And when I put something out, my job as a marketer is like, re-engage them, and then re-commit them, and hopefully this time give them that aha. So I re-engage them by making a new hook. I talked in the last podcast about hook, story, offer. So I need a new hook to get them re-engaged. Because if I just keep selling them the exact same thing, it’s going to be hard to keep them in. But if you look at this, think about this. I have perfectwebinarsecrets.com, which is like the script and the cd of me teaching the Perfect Webinar right. Expert Secrets is me teaching the Perfect Webinar in way more detail.  Secrets Master Class, which is part of Two Comma Club X, the old FHAT event was me teaching the Perfect Webinar. This was me teaching the Perfect webinar. It’s me teaching it, but it’s like the concepts, the contents not the same, but it’s similar. But it’s repackaged in different ways. Where it’s like, The Perfect Webinar, that was the thing, that was the hook that will get them. Expert Secrets, I talk about that way, that’s the hook that will get somebody. 10x Secrets, we talk about how Russell made 3 million in 90 minutes, that hook will get a lot of people. It’s sexy, it’s interesting, it’s unique. The hook will grab a different segment, or re-engage people. Then, I honestly wish I could, that six hour thing, I wish I could stream it to everybody for free. The problem is I know that if people get it for free, they won’t do anything with it. So that’s why we make an offer, that’s why we make a funnel. Because then I’m hooking them first, then I’m charging them, and the physical act of them pulling out a credit card recommits to themselves that they’re going to go down this path again. So I hook them, recommit them, and then hopefully this time I give them the aha, the thing, that’s the one that…how many times have you gone and studied somebody’s stuff two or three or four times? Like you go to church every Sunday for 20 years of your life and all the sudden that Sunday, that person, whatever it was, you were ready right then. So for me I feel like that, that’s really part of this business. The money, and if you guys aren’t to this point yet, I’m just going to break it to you, the money is not that exciting, moving forward. There comes a point where your house is paid off, everything is taken care of, it’s just not exciting, the money part. But the impact fires you up. So it’s like, I’m hooking them. I have a million plus entrepreneurs, plus everyone else on Facebook, plus the entire world, throwing these offers out trying to hook them and get them to make a commitment. They commit themselves by actually paying for something, and my goal is for this time to give them the aha, the thing where they’re like, “Ah, this is the one.” And I know that 10x Secrets is going to do that for some people and I’m excited. The only reason why we charge and do funnels is because we can get to more people. We can pay for advertizing and that hook gets out to more people, which hopefully grabs people, gets them in, get’s them to commit to themselves and hopefully that will be the one that gets them. It re-engages people, re-ignites people. People who have been on and off, on and off, on and off, hopefully this will be the one for them. Anyway, that’s why. It was kind of cool. It gave me comfort, oh it’s okay for me to do this. I’m doing it for that reason. I want more people to be like, “10x Secrets, that was the one that gave me the clarity that I needed and the permission to do my thing.” Or maybe it’s Ignite Your Funnels, that’s coming out later this year. Or maybe it’s the next thing. That’s why I keep doing it. In case you’re wondering. Why I keep putting out offers, because I’m trying to hook people, get them to recommit to themselves and hopefully have that one be the one that gives them the aha that makes them move. So I’m curious for you guys, when was it? Which was the thing, the product, the idea, the thing that gave you the aha where you’re like, “That was the thing.” Or have you had it yet, are you still looking for that? Was it a video, a YouTube video, a podcast, a product you bought? There’s a reason why I’m preaching like crazy around the clock to you guys, it’s because I’m hoping and waiting and wishing that each of you guys will get that aha from one of these things. Give you the thing you need to like, “that was the piece. That was the piece I was missing.” So if you wonder why I publish so much, that’s why. I love it, and the feedback. I literally just scroll through the Facebook feed and I’m just liking everything, it just makes me so happy to see all the positive stuff. Anyway, appreciate you all thanks so much. Talk to you guys soon. Bye. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A really cool strategy to meet your Dream 100 and get their customers to flow into your funnels. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I hope you guys are pumped and excited for today. Today, I'm going to bring you some charisma, some hacking, some excitement, and a whole bunch of fun stuff. All right, everybody. I wanted to funnel hack somebody today because what they're doing is really, really cool, and I think it would behoove you all to watch what she is doing. The person I'm talking about, her name is McCall Jones. The story, as I know it, and I probably don't know all the details, but she is related to Kathryn Jones, who is our resident design hacker who spoke at Funnel Hacking Live this year about design hacking. She was so excited that she was going to speak on stage. She invited her friends and her family to all come watch her crush it, and she did crush it. She did an amazing job. One of her... I think it's her sister-in-law, came not knowing anything about what in the world we do, and she sat there and watched Kathryn do her thing. Then she watched the entire event, and she was like, "This is amazing. I want to do something related to this." Now, McCall's background... Actually, I don't know all her background. I do know that she was on... What's that show? I keep thinking it's So You Think You Can Dance. That's not it. She's was on High School Musical, part two, I believe. I may quote that wrong. Maybe it's part one. I've never seen either of them, I'm not going to lie, but I think she was on High School Musical, part two. So, she's got an acting career and a bunch of stuff like that. But she's watching this, and she's like, "Oh my gosh. Kathryn's teaching design hacking. Russell's teaching funnel hacking. I could teach how to hack what I do," which is, she's, as an actress or actor... I don't know what they call themselves nowadays. I don't know what's politically correct, so I apologize to all the actors who I just offended with my unknowingness of how to say it right. But anyway, she was like, "I can teach people how to hack charisma. How is Russell able to get on stage, and what is he doing and why is he doing it?" and all that sorts of stuff. So, she decided that she was going to become the person who is going to teach people who want to become speakers or authors or selling from stage or do webinars or Facebook Lives how to actually get charisma, because a lot of people don't have that, right? They come on like, "Hi. I'm Russell," and they're all nervous, like I was 15 years ago, right? It's scary at first. So, she's like, "I'm going to teach a framework for how people can do charisma hacking." So, that began her journey. She said, "This is my thing. This is the spot in the market that I'm going to claim. I'm going to teach people this process. I'm going to call it charisma hacking, and this is my thing." Right? First off, everything so far what she's done is awesome, right? Same thing for you, right? You should be in your marketplace looking around like, "Where's the gap? Where are people not talking about? What can I do that can be unique? What is something that my gifts bring to the market that's going to be different than anybody else?" For her, because of her acting career and her understanding of these things, she thought, "This is the segment of the market I can carve out that can become my own, where I can become the category king in it." So, that's the first lesson. Second lesson. Then she went out there and she created a framework and she started a coaching program. She started training people how to do it. I'm sure she did a lot of it for free. She started going into Kathryn's groups and teaching this concept called charisma hacking, where she was testing out her process and testing things out. She came in to mine. I had her do a training for our Two Comma Club X members, because so many of I'm teaching them to publish, and they're scared to death to publish. I'm like, "Hey, McCall. Can you do a training for my people, teaching them the basics of charisma hacking and looking around and finding people who are successful and modeling them?" So, she made an amazing video for our members. So then, now, all Kathryn's members, they're my members, and other people are learning from her. She's going out there working for free, right, getting her content out there, plugging it strategically into people's coaching programs, where she has a chance to, first off, practice her material, practice her framework, essentially learning it better, and basically did all that stuff for free for everybody, right? Now, she's learning it. Now, from there, she's able to go and she's created a whole value ladder, right? She's got a core. She's got live one-on-one trainings. She's got things where she can help you, and she has a business related to that, right? Now, this is where most people mess up. They create the framework, they create the product, and then they're like, "How do I sell this thing? Ah." And they're like, "I don't know how to sell it." Obviously, there's a ton of funnels they can sell. I'm not going to talk about that, but I do want to talk about is what McCall is doing now. I just keep being more impressed with her every time I'm watching what she's doing. What she started doing three weeks ago is this thing where, as a way to get lead gen, to get people in the door, and also as a way to connect with her Dream 100. So, I'm assuming... Again, I'm not behind the scenes of all this, but I'm assuming she built out the list of like, "Okay, who are my Dream 100? Who are the people?" And by definition of the Dream 100, the Dream 100 is somebody who has your existing customers on their list, on their social profile, their following, whatever that might be, right? They have the attention of your potential dream customers. So, I'm assuming that McCall made a list, and she put me on the list, she put Dave Woodward, she put Steve Larson, and I'm not sure who else, because she's done it for three weeks now, but I'm sure there are more on there, right? So, what she's been doing is what she calls her charisma hacking weeks or charisma live or something like that, right, where basically what she's doing is each week she picks someone who's on her Dream 100. The first week was me, and she said, "I'm going to charisma hack Russell every single day for this next week." So, every day she went live on her Facebook page and said, "Okay, here's one of Russell's videos. Let me charisma hack him." So, she pushes play on my video and she pauses and talks about what I did and why did it and goes through that. First, she broke down one of my Facebook Lives. The next day she broke down one of my ads. The next day she broke down another thing. And she did that for five days, showing people how I use charisma and how they can model what I'm doing to be successful with theirs, right? Now, what's cool about it is she's tagging me in all these, so I keep seeing it. As her Dream 100, I keep being aware of the fact that she's talking about me, which is flattering, like, "Oh, this is cool." So, I watched a bunch of them, but then also, by tagging it, a lot of my people started seeing it. A lot of my people who are watching started tagging my customers and tagging people and bringing them over. So, by doing this, she's getting my attention, but she's also getting the attention of a lot of people that follow me, right? Now, obviously, right now I'm doing a podcast talking about it, so it's bringing more people to it, right? But it's smart. She's splintering off the market and saying, "Let me do five videos breaking down Russell, what he's doing, and that's going to bring his people in." Right? And the next week she picks Steven Larson, same thing. Me, Chris next, Steven Larson, and she did a Facebook Live he did, and then an ad he did, and then this and that. She broke that down and she tagged Steven on it and brought people from Steven's world into her world. Now, this week, she's doing Dave Woodward. Next week she'll do someone else, right? So, each week she has this consistent publishing process where she's out there publishing, bringing people into her world. Now they can come in, they can get into her value ladder, then they can start sending up through the products and services that she's selling. Okay, what she's doing, is she's taking this thing that she's teaching, taking her framework, and showing how it applies to other people. What's interesting is, I did something very, very similar when I launched ClickFunnels. Okay? I did the same thing, where I was out there and I started showing... It's funny, I still remember this because Lewis Howes, I used to love his website. I still love it, but I used to love his... I remember seeing his site and being so jealous of it, and I found out the company who built it is Digital Telephony,I think. Anyway, I can't say their name, but the company, and I went to try to hire them to build a website for me because Lewis's looked so freaking cool. They wanted to charge me... It was 30-something thousand dollars for them to design a webpage for me, and I was like, "Oh." I'm like, "You guys are good, but you're not that good." Right? So, when ClickFunnels came out, I wanted to show people... I was like, "I want to show you this process." So, I took Lewis's page. I remember I had my monitor. I had Lewis's page on the left-hand side and ClickFunnels on the right-hand side, and I said, "I want to show you how I can build Lewis's $30,000 webpage inside of ClickFunnels in less than 10 minutes." I went through and I literally built his webpage side-by-side until it was done. And I was like, "It looks just like his, right? It didn't cost me nothing. I did it in 10 minutes because I understand these concepts of funnel hacking." And if you were to ask Kathryn, it would be designed hacking, right? How do you model something that's already successful? So, that's what I became really, really good at doing. There's the first practical... The thing that I was doing, I was doing that for a lot of people. I would go onto to Tony Robbins pages and other pages. We used to do Facebook Lives every single week. We called them the Did You Know Show, like, "Did you know you can do this on ClickFunnels, and this and this?" And we'd show off features while I would be basically rebuilding other people's funnels inside of ClickFunnels to show them how we could... and anything else we could build in ClickFunnels as well. And that's initially how I got so much of my momentum off the ground, is by doing that, right? Anyways, I was watching McCall do this. I'm like, "Oh my gosh, this is brilliant." So, for you, I want you to think about this, think about your framework, right? What is the thing that you're teaching, right? Look at that. You've obviously got your product and your courses, and I'm not talking about that, but I'm talking about, how do we fill our funnel with people who are potentially going to buy that thing from us, right? How do you get the attention of your Dream 100? How do you start getting the traffic and the leads and the people coming in, right? This is all the traffic secret stuff we talk about. It's coming back and thinking about that, and then say, "Okay, how can I apply my framework to show how my Dream 100 is doing something correctly," right? "Here's how some of my Dream 100 is building a funnel. Let me show off their funnel. Here's how somebody over here is doing this, is using charisma. Let me show it. Here's how someone over here is using design hacking. Here, someone over here is using..." Fill in the blank, whatever your product is, okay? The nice thing that's... I had to talk with Dana Derricks about this one time. The coolest thing is, when you create a framework, but you name it, it becomes yours, right? So, for example, Dana is big. He teaches everyone the Dream 100, and Dana didn't come up with that. I didn't come up it. Chet Holmes was the one that introduced it to me and to Dana, but Dana's made that... His business is the Dream, the Dream 100, right? And he says, "What's cool about it," he's like, "I can now go, and when I see anybody doing any version of the Dream 100, even if they don't call it that, I can go and say, 'Hey, let me show you how Rachel Hollis used the Dream 100 to make her book the best selling book of all time...'" or of last year, right? And then he can go show that and like, "This is her process, how she did it." And even though she didn't call it the Dream 100 and didn't know, but he was able to say, "This is my framework, how she applied it. It was the Dream 100." And all of a sudden it gives all the credibility now to his framework, even though she didn't exactly know what it was, but she was still doing it, right? Or, "Here's how Tom Bilyeu uses the Dream 100. Here's how so-and-so, how so-and-so..." and start showing people using the tool, the thing that you're trying to do, right? And that is the strategy. That's the big aha, the big secret. Anyway, so think about that. What's your framework? Who are the people, either your Dream 100 or people in the media or whoever, who are unknowingly using your framework or parts of your framework that you can show and you can case study, and putting those out there as videos, as Facebook Lives, breaking them down and showing people, and people start seeing it over and over and over again. That's going to get their attention. That's going to increase the desire, and it's going to make them want the thing that you've got. Okay? Like I said, McCall Jones is doing such a cool job of it. If you go follow her on Facebook, you can see it. You can start seeing what she's doing and why she's doing it, and watch the process. Again, I'm a nerd, where I spend more time watching what people are doing than actually listening to the thing they're teaching me, right? So, with this, with McCall, I'm watching what she's doing, and I'm like, "Ah, this is brilliant. This is so smart," and I hope you guys are watching as well. Anyway, with that said, I'm at the office, I got some fun stuff to do today. I'm pumped. A lot of exciting things are happening. I can't tell you about them all right now, but the next three to six months inside ClickFunnels is going to be crazy, and I cannot wait to show you guys all the stuff we're doing. I'll reveal as much as I can behind the scenes here on the podcast, but with that said, appreciate you all. Thanks for paying attention and listening, and I'll talk to guys all soon. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the final segment of this special interview! In this episode you get to hear Russell answer all these interesting questions: Who do you look up to? What is Tony Robbins like? How do you “deal” when things get heavy? What do you sacrifice for success? Is there closure as an entrepreneur? What do you want to be known or remembered for? Russell and Josh chat about all this and much more in the exciting conclusion to this “Atlas Shrugged” interview series. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson, and I want to welcome you, first off, to the Marketing Secrets podcast; and, second off, to the last part of our five-part Atlas Shrugged interview series. The exciting conclusion. At this time, we'd been going for three-plus hours. I was really, really tired. If I sound like I am kind of out of it, it's because I was probably a little bit out of it. We started the interview at 8:00 or 9:00 at night, so this is probably midnight or so. The night before, I had slept three hours. Or, two nights before, it was three-and-a-half... Three hours and 12 minutes. I remember. I wear an aura ring, so I track my sleep cycle. So, the night before, I slept three hours and 12 minutes. The night before this was, like, five hours. So I was tired. I was worn out. But I still had a lot of fun with it. I think Josh is a great interviewer. And I think that we had a lot of fun talking about all this stuff. So, with that said, you guys, hope you enjoyed this interview series. And, when we come back from the theme song, you have a chance to jump right into the exciting conclusion. Part five of the Atlas Shrugged interview. Josh Forti: So, one of the things you talk about in... Well, actually, expert secrets. But I think they mention it... She kind of mentions it in this book, too... is creating belief by looking up to somebody. And, if you can't see it, if nobody else has done it, then it's hard for people to kind of imagine it and ingrain it. Like, for me, I look up at... I'm like, "Who do I want to be like? What business do I want?" I'm like, "Okay, cool." Like you and your books, I want to be like that type of bit here. And then Katie Richards is another one. Being a powerful person, just in general. Okay, like, these are the people that I look up to, and I'm like, "Okay. That's what I'm going towards." So, for you, who are those people? Like, in your life. That you look up to, and you're like, "Okay, that's it." Because I feel like, the higher you get... And, I mean, you're not all the way up the ladder, right? There's still plenty more. But you're way above where the average person is going to get to. The average person has a lot of people they can look up to. You, there's a lot less options, I feel like. Who are those people that you look up to and go, "Okay, that's who I'm trying to be more like," or, "That's where I learned my lessons from." Russell Brunson: Yeah. There's different parts of my life for different people, too. You know? Josh: Yeah. Russell: I look at the business side, I know the companies I aspire to be like. Salesforce, Shopify, HubSpot. Those are companies that are just like the next tier, but from where we are. That they've crossed the chasm, where we're still trying to figure out how to... That next tier. Right? Josh: Yeah. Russell: I think watching them has been... That's when we said we'd go to DreamForce two years in a row, just because I wanted to... And I talked about it, actually, on my podcast. Because when I was out there, it was like... And you need to see it to understand it. Because I remember, when I was wrestling, my dad, my freshman year, took us to the... I had just started wrestling. He took us to the state tournament. I saw this guy on my team win state. And I was like, "That's what I want." Exactly what it was. That'd be my goal. And you see it to do it. So I think for me, those are kind of the businesses that I look up to. People, I mean, Tony... From an influence... Like, people speaking, Tony still, to me, is like... Who's bigger than him, right? Josh: Right, right. Russell: Or better. And the fact I've had a chance to build a friendship with him is really cool, because it's been interesting to see him not on stage. You know what I mean? Like, everyone has a chance to see him on stage, and he's the best in the world on there. But then you see him offstage, and see who he really is. And it's just cool to see that, I don't know, someone who's been doing this for that long, consistently, who still cares, who's still doing this. He doesn't need money, but he still is doing events almost every day of the year, because he wants that. So I think that- Josh: He can stop. Russell: Yeah. And I get it. I have so much respect for that. So I think that's a big thing. Yeah. Just, different areas of life, there's different people. But- Josh: What's it like- Russell: I've tried harder and harder to get closer and closer to him, because I like seeing... I like understanding them, not just from the outside, but understanding from inside. Because it's just a different perspective that you don't get. You know what I mean? Josh: Yeah. What is it it like? What is Tony like? Russell: Honestly, he's like a little kid. We went to his house, and... I can't talk with details, but he had a slide in his house, and he went down the slide with us, and it just... It was really cool. And we had a chance to go with him and do the meditation thing. And the way he served us, when we were with him at his house, you can tell it's how he wishes he could serve everybody. You know? And that just is hard. Like, you saw him... He's in this room serving us, and he's crying, and you see this emotion. And you're just like, "Oh my gosh," like, "he would do this for everyone if he could." But he can't. So that's why you do these big scale things. But it's the best way he can do that. But I think, if he could, he would do that for every single human being he could. It's just really... I don't know. It's cool. There's been a lot of situations, when I've been around him, where he could have not... He could have easily, like, turned it off. You know, but it's sincere. He doesn't turn it off. You know what I mean? And I try to be that way as much as I can. And hopefully you've seen, now with me and my kids? Josh: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Russell: I try to. And obviously, there's Russell, who's a more introverted, more reserved, and then there’s Russell who’s gonna be like, "Ahh!" But it's still the same... Hopefully. I want to be growing like that. Like, I'd respect him, because he's... In every situation I've seen him, he's always been sincere. Which is not... I can't say that about most people in our industry, and our world. Josh: Yeah. For sure. Russell: Which is unfortunate, because it's just like, "You are..." I remember one time I was in an event, and I heard this guy speak. He was awesome. And he just breaks down crying in the middle of this event, in the middle of the speech. And I was like, "This guy is great." And he got offstage. And he looks at me, and he's like... He said something like, "I pulled out the fake tears again." And I was like, "What?" I remember just feeling like... Ugh. I just felt so sick. How does someone do that and not... He was all proud of it. Like, "Ha," like, "I got them with my..." I just remember feeling so... Just dirty. And I just didn't like that. I was like, "I don't want to be that way. I want to be..." I don't want people saying, like, "Oh, yeah, Russell's different here than here." I don't want people saying that. Josh: Yeah. Like, one consistent person. The same person on and off stage. Russell: Yeah. Josh: There's certain people that... You just know. You meet them, and they're just genuine all the way through. Right? Russell: Mm-hmm Josh: I'm trying to think... Like Catherine Jones, right? For example. She's awesome, right? We had dinner. I had dinner with her, and... Well, God. I had dinner with her, and some friends... Russell: "What am I allowed to say in the podcast?" Josh: Yeah. No, her and some friends, when I was in Utah last. And I've had her as a client. I've watched her speak on stage, in front of... Live. I've had dinner with her. And it's like, it is the same person. Right? Russell: So cool. Josh: And there are people like that. And they're rare. I really do think- Russell: That's what people say. Like, "You never want to meet your mentors, because they're going to disappoint you." Josh: Yeah. Russell: Because of that. Because it's like, "Oh, you put them on this pedestal, and you see them in real life, and you're like... 'Huh. Well. That's disappointing.'" And then it negates all the stuff... That's my biggest thing, is that I don't want somebody who... I gave them something, to help them, and they see me in real life, and it's like, "Oh." It negates- Josh: Yeah! Russell: All you just gave them. Which it does, right? Josh: It really does. Because it takes away the trust factor. Russell: Yeah. And so it's just like... I don't know. Because I think I was nervous meeting Tony the first time. I was like, "What if..." Josh: Yeah, no kidding. Russell: You know? And you see him multiple times, over and over and over, and you're just like, "Cool." It's just neat to see that. Josh: So, what's interesting is, one of my biggest reservations about Tony before... You, and Funnel Hacking Live, was actually the thing that warmed me up to Tony. Because I didn't really know a whole lot... I'd never experienced Tony like I have at Funnel Hacking Live, or anything like that. It's so crazy. You walk into the room when he's talking, and it's like you feel the energy shift. Russell: Nobody on earth has presence like that. Josh: It is insane. Like, everyone tells you about it, but then you don't really believe it until you experience it. And I remember, actually, it was in Orlando. The first time, when he was down there or whatever. And I remember, he came... He was in the room... I was in the room when he entered. And energy, obviously, just like when anybody walks on stage, was quite ramped up. But then he just went into his normal talking. And I remember leaving the room. And, most people, you walk in and you feel it? And I remember opening that door, and shutting it, and like... My whole body shifted. Out of this high energy state, into the low energy state. And I felt like, if I was in that room, I could literally go forever. Right? It was just this nonstop source of energy. But what was interesting about Tony is, Tony doesn't really talk about God. Which is super interesting. Like, I don't know what faith Tony is. And maybe he's talked about it in something about that. And so, for me, one of the biggest struggles that I had... Because, well, growing up, and when I first the house, and when I first got into the entrepreneurship, I, like, really wrestled with God. Right? Especially, you know, going through the death of my brother was actually, ironically, the thing that brought me back to God. But I really, really wrestled with that. And so, for Tony, it was like, he's got all this energy, and he's connecting to this higher source, and he's talking about all these things, but he never... He never ties it to anything. He never gives credit to... Well, in this story I'm telling myself at the time, he's never giving credit to this higher... thing. Like, where does that all come from? And then, the more I got to know Tony... Not personally, but through his work, and through watching his videos, and seeing him at Funnel Hacking Live... I'm like, "I don't know what it is that he believes." I've never sat down... And if I ever get to interview him, I'm absolutely asking him that question. But, whatever that is, I don't think it's possible to be incongruent. Because it's... I don't know! It's not of Earth, almost. It's like you're tapping into something that isn't... In in order to operate at that level, you can't be selfish. Like, you know what I mean? Do you sense that with him at all? Like- Russell: Yeah. And he is, I think... And I'm sure you've seen it before. You talk political, and your audience is cut in half, right? Josh Forti: Yeah. Russell: I think for him, he's traveling such a world-global thing. I mean, Tony is Christian. But it's tough because half the world he speaks to are not Christians. Josh: Right. Russell: And so he... He draws that line, because he doesn't want to alienate people. Because he's like, "I'm here to serve God, and..." Josh: Right. Russell: “God didn’t send me to serve a certain group, it’s to serve everybody.” I think... That's my guess, as to why he doesn't anchor that in as a hard thing. Because his audience is so massive. But he definitely, if you ask him, he definitely knows where it's coming from. You know what I mean? Because, wherever he talks about it, he's... You know, the first time he told me, he's like... It's funny, because I'd experienced this myself, and didn't have words to put to it. Because I come on stage, I have a plan, everything's there. I start talking, and all of the sudden, like, something comes through me? And he's like, "It never comes out the way that I plan, but it always comes out perfect." And he's like, "As long as I follow that, it always just works out perfect." Josh: Yeah. Russell: And I've had so many times where I... Again, I start talking about something, I don't know where I'm going. I'm like, "Why am I talking about this?" And then all of the sudden, it's like, "Oh, wow." And there's somebody... Like, that was the thing that- Josh: Connected it. Russell: Shifted it for them. You know what I mean? And I think the more that you tap into that, the more... Again, it comes back to what I talked about before, like, where you do that... God's giving you this thing, and if you have stewardship over it, and you use it, he'll give it to you more and more. And Tony, now, who's been doing it for 40 years... Josh: It's actually super interesting you say that. So, literally, every Tuesday, I meet with Katie. Right? And we have our one-on-one call, and we talk for an hour. And one of the topics of conversation was, I was like, "Katie..." We were actually talking about getting ready for this interview. I was like, "I don't feel nervous. At all." Right? And I'm like, "And I'm getting so many texts and DMS or whatever, like, 'Oh my gosh, are you nervous? What if you mess up?'” And, so many… So many different things, right? And I'm like, "I don't feel any of that. I feel like this is just like, 'All right, cool. I'm flying out to Russell. We're gonna hang out. It's gonna be great. We're gonna go.'" And I'm like, "So, why is everybody else telling me I should be nervous? Right? Like, why is that a thing?" One of the things that she said was like, "Being who you are, being your person, knowing yourself, and, like, doing this..." But one of the things that we talked about was some of the things that you have to accept by faith. And I was really wrestling with this idea of, like, "Am I supposed to be prepared?" Am I? Russell voxed me and was like, "This is the first interview he's ever prepared for." I'm like, "I just read the book. I don't have any notes prepared for him! I'm just gonna show up and talk, right? That's what I do." And she's like, "But that's your superpower. That-" And sometimes you have to just have faith. And she's like, "You prepare 80% of the way, and leave the 20% up to God." And she's like, "And most people are not going to understand that. And, for a lot of people, that's going to freak it out." But she's like, "How many times have you prepared something 100%, you knew every word you were going to say?" And I'm like, "Very little." She's like, "Well, think back to one of the times that you did." I'm like, "Okay," and she's like, "How'd it go? I was like, "Well, terrible! Literally. It was some of my worst presentations. The most prepared I come, the biggest it'll flop." Right? And she's like, "And the least you prepare sometimes, you just walk in confidently and you do your best, turns out amazing." Yeah. Because that's what Tony's talking about, like, "It just comes over you." It's like, if you have faith that, when you show up and become... You are the best version of yourself. You show up the most prepared you can be. And you just fully embrace that, and have faith in the rest? God, the universe, whatever you want to call it, I feel like it just works the rest of it out. You know what I mean? Russell: Understood. Yeah. That's why, before I do anything, I pray before. I prayed before this call. Or, what's it called? Before this interview, before I step on stage every single time. Because a big part of it's like... Without that, what good are your words? You know what I mean? If you're doing it with the Spirit, with God... Whatever you want to call it, you know? For me, it's the Spirit. If you're with the Spirit, then it'll touch people, in a way that you can't just by your words alone. And so I always ask that, and I look for help. And I remember, I think Steven Larson, the first time he was working for me, we did our first event in the room over here. And I remember, before I would do the events myself, he started working for me. And I was in the back here. And I was saying a prayer, and he walked in. He's like, "Oh, sorry!" He's like, "That's cool." I'm like, "What?" He's like, "You pray before you go out there." I was like, "Oh, yeah. I'm not going out there by myself!" Like, you know? I'm not that good. So, I need help, and it shows up when you... pray. Josh: All right, I have two questions that I want to ask you, before we kind of go to rapid-fire, to kind of bring this to a close. I don't know. We could probably go all night, but... Russell: You just want us to keep going all night? Or you want us to go to bed? Josh: How much longer do we go for? Are you guys liking this? Comment down below. Let us know. Give some feedback. Do you like it? Do you not like it? What are your thoughts? We've been going for about three hours. And I figured, at least, it was going to go at least this long. Russell: I guarantee there's going to be some of you guys who are like, "I agree with everything," to be like, "I agree with half," or to be like, "I don't understand what they're saying. I agree with nothing." So- That's okay. There's nothing... Again, our goal was not to motivate, was not to try to convince you guys of anything. That's not my goal. Our goal was to flesh out these ideas, and hopefully you guys come on the journey, and get some cool ideas from it, and see how perceive life. I think what's fascinating is everybody has such a different perspective on life. And so many times, when we hear somebody else's perspective, we get offended. And it's like, "What if you didn't get offended, and just listened to their perspective?" And maybe you don't listen to everything, but you're like, "Oh. I'm going to take that, and that. Those are two things that were really cool for me." Just don't pay attention to the rest of it. Right? Because I'm sure, if you paid attention to everything that we both said, you probably got offended at least 12 times. But if you're just like, "I'm just going to take the gold that's good for me, and then leave everything else on the side," you got a dozen amazing things that you can use, hopefully. So. Josh: All right. And so my next question is, who are you voting for? No, I'm just kidding. Russell: Ugh. Actually, last year, I don't... Four years ago... So, I'm a big Jack Bauer fan, and I bought "Jack Bauer for president" shirts. And then, that whole day, I was Instagramming and Facebooking, "I'm writing in Jack Bauer! I'm writing in Jack Bauer!" And I would have if he was a real human. But, anyway. Josh: That's funny. Who was I just... Oh, Leah, I was talking to her on the way, as we were driving to the airport. We were talking about Joe Rogan. And, because Joe Rogan is... It's so funny, because people... Like, Trump retweeted one of his tweets. And Joe Rogan's a big liberal, right? Like, he even said he was going to vote for Bernie, before Biden became the nominee. And so I feel like a lot of Trump supporters, are like, "Yeah, Joe Rogan's a Trump fan!" Like, Joe Rogan is not a Trump fan. That's not at all what it is. And so we were like, "Well, who do you think he's going to vote for?" And I was like, "If I was a betting man, I would bet that he votes for Kanye. That he wrote him in." Because he does this three-hour interview. And Kanye answers... If you watch the interview... I mean, I know it's three hours of your time, and you'll probably never get to it. But it is a fascinating interview. And he asked... Because he keeps trying to bring Kanye back to like, "If you were president, what would you do?" Because Kanye is like, "I'm going to be president. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when," right? Like, "If I don't win this year, I'm going to for sure win in 2024." Kanye, I love your confidence. But anyway, so, Kanye answers these questions completely differently. And so, anyway. I don't want to run with that. But, my real question for you... So, you can go long on these, or we can go rapid-fire questions on them. Either way. Atlas Shrugged. Got the world on his shoulders. You feel that. How do you deal with that responsibility? Because I'm sure there's been times, I know in my own life, with my three to five little people that I'm managing, and some contractors, I'm like, "Oh my gosh! If I have to take one more thing, I'm just going to explode!" Right? Like, if we don't... So how do you, how do you deal with that pressure, and not... One of the things that I've had to learn how to do is, I don't know if anger is the right word, but deal with not taking out my frustration on somebody else. Right? Like, God bless Leah. She knows me super, super well. And like she knows the moods where it's like, "Don't ask him a question." Like, "Avoid it, and let him cool off," because if you say the wrong thing right now, I'm just going to inadvertently take it out on her. And I've had to learn how to balance that and communicate that. How do you deal with all that pressure, and still... You've got 400 people looking up to you. I know you don't talk to them everyday, but that's a lot. Russell: Yeah. That's just employees. And you have the community, and... Josh: Right. Russell: Yeah, it gets heavy. A lot. And I think it's funny, because, as you read the book, you know, Atlas Shrugged and walked away from the thing... Josh: Right. Russell: And I think for me, I don't want to walk away. You know what I mean? I don't think... That's a big thing. And I think, because the first part is, I was thinking about it, that... Because I'm a big believer that this, for me, is a calling. It's a mantle. This is what I've been called to do at this time in my life. And since, as heavy as it gets... Like, man, think about other people in a different time who had to carry a burden they didn't want to lift, right? There's tons of them. So I think about that a lot. I reached out to other people who were producers, who I know have heavy... You can ask Garrett White. Every time I'm stressing out to the max, I text Garrett, and I'm like, "Hey, man. Life's heavy. Just thinking about you." And he always sends back something about, like, "Dude, do you realize how you've changed my..." just things like that, that just... It's just like, "Okay, it's worth it. Thank you." And then, in Voxer, whenever someone voxes me something, it's like, this success story of, like, "Dude, just so you know, blah, blah, blah." And on Voxer, you can star things. So I have a whole starred menu of all the people that have told me how the fact that I'm carrying this has changed their life. So I'll listen to those, and I'll listen to four or five or six of them. And eventually, when I hear those things, it gets lighter. And so that's a big thing, for me, is just that... Dave, one of my... I'm not sure if Dave's still here or not. But Dave's one of my best friends. Josh: Is he still here? Russell: No. Josh: Dave. Russell: One of my favorite humans. Yeah. And now he's... Anyway. You know, he's carrying a lot of pressure, now, too. Dave... I don't know if you knew this... Dave is the CEO now of ClickFunnels. He's taking over a huge part of my responsibility. And he's carrying out- Josh: Oh, he's into the CEO role? Russell: Yeah. Josh: Or, is he? Or he's moving into it? Russell: He is. Officially, now, yeah. Internally. And he's... Josh: Congratulations, Dave. Russell: And, looking back now, something I should have done five years ago. He's so much better than me at... Than I am. But I see him, I see Todd, I see that people on our team who are carrying weight. And having other people that you're doing this with, besides yourself, helps a lot. So I think that's a big part of it, too, is just... I don't know. If it was just me, like that, eventually I think I'd shrug and walk away. But I know that there's a dozen other people all holding that up as well, and that helps a lot as well, because you know you're not in it alone. I always tell Dave, I'm like, "Man, if I was going to war, I would bring you. Just because I want you in the trenches with me. You know what I mean?" And knowing that I'm not in it alone helps a lot. So I think a lot of times, it's those things. When you're where, when you're doing it by yourself, that's when it gets hard. I try to not... And I think our default human thing is to isolate, and take the pressure and pain. And just for me, as an introvert, I'd rather isolate. But I try, specifically when it gets heavy, just to, like, "Okay, I can't isolate, or I'm going to just get crushed." Josh: Yeah. Russell: And I reach out, and that helps me a lot to be able to sustain stuff. Josh: Next rapid-fire question, if you will. Success takes sacrifice. So, in managing ClickFunnels, obviously you love it. But what things are you not able to do, or do you wish you were able to do more of, that you are not able to because of the role that you play in ClickFunnels? Russell: Yeah. Stuff like this. I feel bad. There's so many people who ask for podcast interviews and things like that. People that I would love to do it with, but just there's not enough time. I miss... When we were first growing ClickFunnels, and starting it, I just remember coming in in the mornings, and being like, "What should we do today?" And thinking about it, and brainstorming. I miss that part. Now you come in, and it's like, "All right, there's 8,000 things you got to do." And it's like, "Okay," and I miss those parts of it. I don't know, I miss... Not being able to turn it off, but I think... I don't know, it would be nice... I think it's Alex Charfen, I'm thinking about. Like, "You don't want to run off into the white wood." There's times where... And this is dorky. This is the cheesiest thing. Remember watching the last... Endgame? Avengers Endgame. Josh: Oh, yeah. Russell: And, at the end, when Iron Man dies, and... What's her name? Pepper Potts. When she's like, "You can rest now." I remember hearing that, and I was just like... I actually started crying. I was just like, "I feel like I want to rest sometime. I don't know how, or when, or-" I desire that. I don't know how, because there's so much stuff and so many things. And I think, I don't know, I long for that moment. Where it's just like, whatever the... Like at the end of the Bootstrap book. I don't know where or when that happens, but- Josh: Right, yeah. Russell: If there's ever a time where it's just like, "Oh. We did it." Like, it's weird, because in wrestling, there was a thing where you get your hand raised, and then you get to rest. Business, I haven't found that. Like, it's just this constant thing. Where you have victories and stuff, but you never... Again, wrestling is like, you'd cut weight a week, you'd train, you'd practice, and you'd go out there, head-to-head. You wrestle. You get a hand-raise, you go out to eat, and you relax. You sleep that weekend. Monday, you get back to work. I don't feel like, in business, there's ever been that. Like, "Ah." Josh: Do you think it exists? Russell: I don't know. I assume when people sell a business there's some of that, but most people I know that have sold a business... It's harder. Because it's like someone else is taking your thing that your identity is tied to. So that scares me too. And so I don't know. That's something, I don't know if it's like... Is it when I die that I'm like, "Ah." Like Iron Man? I don't know... I don't know. Some day. I desire that. I don't know how to get it, but that's something I'm looking at. How do you get that? How do you get that release you get, where you're just like, "Ah, I did a good job." I think Funnel Hacking Live is probably the closest to that? Josh: Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Russell: Right after it ends? But then also, sometimes... Like two years ago, and it's semi-controversial, and I got blown up for, like, three or four days. And I remember I was like, "This sucks!" Like, "I just killed myself, and now I'm defending myself for three days because of some other speaker who said something that I wish they wouldn't have, but they did, and..." And, yeah. Some of the things like that are hard, but, huh. Anyway. Josh: Are we having Funnel Hacking Live this year? Or, next year, I guess? Russell: Some version of it, yeah. We're in a contract battle with Nashville, where we've done it the last two years. I was just to go there again this year. It typically takes us nine months, for Funnel Hacking Live. Obviously, because of everything, we haven't. We're three months out from when it was supposed to be, and there's no way I can fill it in time. Plus, I don't think we were going to come do there. And so we're trying to push that contract for another year, and then doing a hybrid, something in between. So far, we haven't even got the contract, which is... Anyway. So, something will happen. And I'm dying to not announce it yet, because I don't have finality yet. But some version of Funnel Hacking Live- Josh: What? You mean you can't break something right here, live, at- Russell: I've tried my best! To- Josh: 1:00 in the morning, Eastern time? Russell: We'd love to do some kind of hybrid... Something. Essentially, because I spoke at Tony's thing, where he had the big internet… Josh: Yeah. How was that? Russell: It was really cool. And hard. Because, at first, you come out, and you're in this room, and there's faces everywhere, like, "Ah! That's amazing!" But you're speaking at an event. You shift, and you're looking at different people, which is fun. Here, if you look at people, it looks like you're talking like this. So you have to look at the camera. So, you have a million faces everywhere, and you have to look right here? And you can't- Josh: Oh my God! Russell: And everyone's doing weird things, and so it's kind of hard. Because you're like, I have to look here, or else it looks like I'm not connected to you. But there's so much happening that I want to... It was- Josh: Oh. That's crazy. Russell: It was almost... I don't know if "Dizzy" is the right word, but something that we were just like... It was different. It was hard to get used to. But, anyway, he's building a new place that's three times as big. We're just going to have a hybrid, where half is at... half's the stadium. He said something interesting. He's like, "This year is the year of virtual. Next year is the year of hybrid." So I'm trying to figure out our version of that. And I don't know what that is yet. Josh: Hybrid being part live, part... Russell: Yeah. Yeah. Because I never wanted to make Funnel Hacking Live virtual, ever. Because… it’s this thing. But I also want to make it... Yeah, anyway. So, I'm hoping. I'm hoping the next couple weeks have some finality on that contract, so we can start the next... Whatever the process looks like. So it'll be some version of 2021, for sure. Josh: Cool. Russell: Where people who want to travel will be able to travel. Josh: All right. Awesome. Two more questions. Russell: Okay. Josh: One: what is one thing that people don't know about you? What's a Russell Brunson thing that is a pretty defined part of who you are that people don't really know? Russell: I'm public about everything... Josh: Are you, though? Russell: I don't know. That's a good question. Have you learned anything by me since you've been here in our... Josh: Yeah, a couple of things. Russell: Really? Josh: Yeah. A couple of things. Yeah. More from your wife, though. Yeah. She's told... Russell: She's telling you all the good stuff. Josh: Also, your kids are fascinating. Russell: Yeah. Josh: Yeah. I talked to them for probably 10, 15 minutes. Russell: My kids are the coolest. I think my biggest fear in life is that I am not going to be the dad that they need. You know what I mean? I don't know. He's going to be like... I don't know. Being a parent's way harder than I thought I was going to be. I thought I was going to be amazing at it. I'm like, "I can influence thousands of people at once," but the person you care about and love the most? And same to my wife. I think those are my biggest fears. I don't want to mess up the family. And it's weird because, again, it's like all my super powers are like my kryptonite in a family. You know what I mean? Josh: Yeah. Russell: And so I think I struggle with that a lot of times, where it's just like, "Nah, I'm such a good communicator." I think. Communicating messages. And I struggle communicating with people I love the most. So I think that's it, I think. I am scared to death of cats and dogs. I will not touch them. Josh: Really? Russell: Yeah. I won't touch any animal. They're disgusting to me. And I'm allergic to cats, but the way it came about is, when I was in high school, the girl I was dating, she had a cat, and they went out of town. She's like, "You can watch my cat." And I was like, "Okay." So I came in, and the cat's rubbing against me, so I was petting it, because I'm like... I'd never had an animal before, right? And I'm petting it. And my eyes swole shut. For three days. Three days later, they finally opened again, and the white part was all blood-red. And I don't trust animals since then. You can watch me. My in-laws have cats. I walk in the house, and I stand there. I won't sit on the couches, because I'm like... Because I break out an allergies. If like a dog runs up to me, everyone... You'll see I've kind of turned my... Like, "Don't touch me." Anyway, I don't like animals. Unless you can eat them. So there's something people probably don't know about me. Josh: There you go! Who would've guessed, who would've guessed. All right. Last question. Final question. And I asked this to you... I think I have asked this to you before, but now we're here. We're in person. And we're going to talk. I want you to fast-forward to the end of your life, when you are on your deathbed, and I want you to... All your money, and success, and fame, and influence it's all gone. But you've influenced a lot of people. And you get to leave them with a final message that kind of defines... not what you took away from life, but like the message that you feel like you should put on to some... Pass on, for generations to come. What would you want to be defined by? What would you want that message to be, for people to remember you by? Russell: Cool... And I'm hoping... Honestly, my biggest hope. I'm hoping that when we die, we go to our maker. I'm hoping that we get a glimpse of what our life actually did. You know, like the ripple effect? Josh: Fascinating. Russell: You know It's A Wonderful Life? Josh: Yeah. Russell: When he sees what it was like, before and after? I'm hoping all of us get that experience. Because you have no idea what you're actually doing with it. But I'm sure what we're all doing is... Anyway, I'm praying that we get that moment, because that would be... Anyway. I think my message that I- Josh: That would be so cool. Russell: Yeah. Can you imagine that? Josh: Yeah. That'd be wild. Russell: Yeah. Josh: We need to do a podcast just about our faith. That'd be cool. That'll be our next one. Russell: Okay. That'd be fun. Josh: Next one, I'll fly out here for, and we'll just do it, just about- Russell: That'd be fun. Josh: Just about God, and faith. All right. Russell: That'd be fun. But I think for my message, I would leave it as, I think that... Again, just to tie back to what we talked about initially, I think a lot of us start these businesses, or start whatever we're trying to do, whatever we're called to do, you start initially out of greed, right? It's natural, man. We have these desires that make us want to do stuff, right? And I think for me, when I first got started in this business, I just thought it was to make money, and all these kind of things. And I saw, even when it started having an impact, I mean, "This is cool, this is cool." But it wasn't until... I had a coach a few years ago. She's amazing. And I remember she asked me about what I think God thinks about my business. I'm like, "Why would He care about this?" He cares about how I'm living my life, and I'm keeping to the Commandments and stuff, but why would He care about this?" She's like, "Don't you see it?" And I'm like, "See what?" She's like, "You don't see what He's... Who you've become? His hand in your life?" And it never had crossed my mind. And she started helping me understand, like, "This thing that you're doing is not just to make money. This is a calling. This is literal... This is a calling. You were called of God to do this thing, and the ripple effect, and people's lives you're changing... Even though you're helping people to start businesses, build funnels, it seems like it doesn't matter, but it does. Because it frees people, and then they can change people's lives. And the ripple effect is huge." And she helped me understand that day, in such a profound way, that just these things that we're doing, it's a literal calling from God. I think if I was on my deathbed, I would want people to know, like, when you feel that tug, or that nudge, that thing that starts you on this journey, that's not just like, "Oh, it'll be fun. Oh, I'll make some money," or whatever. It's literally God giving you something. This is your stewardship. Do something with it. See what it is. I think, if you realize that... Since I've realized that, it's been different. Now that I know that, it's like, "Okay, I'm going to run as hard as I can. Because this is not just an idea I had. This is a gift." And it's like these tests, like, "What am I going to do with this?" And then when you look at it from that lens, it's like, man, you can do and create... You have more faith in yourself, because it's not yourself, right? I get scared every time I get on stage. I got nervous before this. Like I get... "You're probably confident, because you're on the stage in front of 35,000 people." No! I freak out in front of, like, 20 people! I get so nervous. But I'm like, "I know that I can do it, because this is a calling that was given. And He's not going to give me something that I can't do." And so I think that, if I could help people understand that... I don't know the right way to articulate it, but I think if everybody understood that, how real that actually is, it'd make you run harder, make you work harder, and make you braver, and make you have more courage, more... All the things you need to get that message out. Because you were called. It is a literal calling. And you're probably not worthy of it yet? Like, when you get it, you're not worthy. Like they say, "He qualifies, so he calls," right? You're not qualified right now, but the act of you moving forward is what qualifies you, and what prepares you for the calling. And I think that, if people understood that, man, people would focus so much less on themselves and on their situation and just, like, "All right. Here's the baton. Run." Right? Josh: Yeah. Russell: You're now gonna start running. And you would do it with perfect faith, because you know it's from somebody beside yourself. And I think if people understood that and believed, it would change everything. Josh: Russell. Thank you so much, man. Russell: Yeah, man. Josh: This was so much fun. Russell: It is fun. Josh: I'm so glad we were able to make this happen. Russell: How long do we have to do... Where are we at? Josh: We're at three hours and 18 minutes. Russell: Dang. And we're still here? Josh: Three hours 20 minutes. Yeah. Russell: Dang, a lot of people still here. Josh: Yeah. I've got... Yeah. Quite a bit. Russell: Thanks for having me, man. Thanks for coming all the way out here for this. It was cool. Josh: Yeah. Of course. Yeah. And- Russell: Oh, and we have the comments now. Josh: What do you guys think of the interview? Yes? Good, bad? Thumbs up? Rate it! On a scale from 1 to 10. On a scale from 1 to 10, give us a rating. 1 to 10. Russell: "I used to think Russell was cool, but now I think he's crazy," or, "I used to think Russell was crazy, now I think he's cool." I'm good with all those things. I'm just curious. Josh: Russell, God bless you. God bless your wisdom and mission. Look at this. Thank you so much. This is amazing. Russell: Smileys are here. What's up, Smileys? Josh: Let's go, let's go. What's up, James Smiley? Great stuff. Awesome. I love it, I love it. I could do... A 1000. We got a 1000 out of 10. Russell: Dang! Josh: That's pretty darn good. Russell: It is really good. Josh: 12? 12 out of 10. Russell: Oh, so fun. Josh: Brent? what's up, man? All right, we're going to have to do this again. Sometime when we can sit down and talk about God. That one, we're really gonna have to get prepped for it. Oh, do you know Nick Robbins? Russell: Not off the top of my head. Josh: All right. He's kind of in the ClickFunnels world? He ran an agency, sold it, but still remained a partner, and then got bored, and then came back into it? Anyway. So he and I had, I think, a three-and-a-half-hour conversation about God. So, it's interesting, because he and I actually have a lot of similar beliefs, but he doesn't believe in God. So he's like, "Yeah, I think there's something out there, and it's something intelligent," or whatever. And so we had a... He uses language. And I don't, typically. And so we had all this big, long, huge debate. So, and we've gone there and said that. Russell: That's fun. Josh: Yeah. So. Russell: I think one of the most fascinating conversations I ever had was with Howard Berg, the world's fastest reader? That guy's, like, 30,000... Josh: Yeah. Oh, that's right! He came here, didn't he? Russell: Yeah. A couple of times, since we've hung out. He's read 30,000 books. I was like, "I can ask this guy any question I want." And so I asked him. I was like, "What's your opinion on God?" And I remember he told me, he said... Because, again, religion usually causes fights. Because, like, "Well, I believe-" you know, and it's so cool, because he's like, "Well, most people read one book, and then they base their belief in God on this one book." He's like, "I've read..." I can't remember what it was... "Like, 1,200 books on God, from every perspective." And he's like, "Based on that, this is what I believe." It was just so cool to see that, I think. And I feel like all of us, instead of us being like, "This is my way, this is my way." It's like, just hear... Even if you completely... I completely disagree with so many people's opinion, but I still hear it. Because, again, why do they believe that? There's something. There's a reason why they believe that. I want to understand that. And, anyway. And it's just so interesting. Josh: That's my big thing. My big thing is like... And that's one of the hardest things, for mem is figuring out... My beliefs are always changing. That's probably reason I started the podcast. I just wanted to talk to people. Right? Like, if I'm wrong... I'm so excited whenever someone comes in and is like, "You're wrong, and here's why!" And I'm like- Russell: "Sweet!" Josh: "Oh my gosh! Thank you so much! I know what I'm onto next! Yes!" Right? Where everybody else is like, "I don't want to be wrong. What are they-" I'm like, "If somebody comes in and proves my idea wrong..." Like, my ideas are pretty thought-through. And I'm a really thought-through person. I know why I believe what I believe, not just what I believe. Right? So if somebody can come along and challenge that? That's one of the things that is so attractive to me about Leah. Leah was smart. She challenged even beliefs that she maybe even agreed with. She'd play the devil's advocate, and change, and challenge it. And I'm like, "that's what I like. I want to grow and expand like that." So, anyway. Russell: Yeah. That's awesome. Josh: We'll have to come back and do that, so. All right. Russell. Thank you so much, man. Super, super appreciate it. Guys, as always. Hustle, hustle. God bless. Don't be afraid to think different. And who knows? You might just end up in a chair next to Russell Brunson. So, that'd be awesome. Guys, as always, hustle, hustle. God bless. Don't be afraid to think different. Those of us that think different are going to change the world. By using funnels! And other stuff. Russell: Yeah! Josh: I love you all. And I will see you on the next live stream episode. Take it easy, man. Russell: Bye everybody. Josh: Peace! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to the 4th part of this interview series. We are getting near the end and the topics keep getting more interesting. In this episode you hear them talk about the influence their parents had on their lives in business. If they feel misunderstood as entrepreneurs and how their ability to communicate might be able to change that. Russell explains how he realizes that Clickfunnels is a team effort and that’s what help him stay so grounded. Then they discuss what each liked most about the Atlas Shrugged book and what character they each associate with most. So tune into part 4 of this exciting interview! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. All right. I hope you guys have enjoyed the first three. We are moving into the fourth episode of our interview. My interview with Josh Forti talking about Atlas Shrugged. Again, during this series, we've been talking about religion and politics and all the things you're not supposed to talk about, but we've done it all through the lens of Atlas Shrugged, which I hope you've enjoyed and had a lot of fun with it. Hopefully it's made you want to go and actually read the Atlas Shrugged book, which I think would be really, really cool. With that said, I’m going to queue up the theme song. When we come back, you have a chance to start listening to part four of my interview with Josh Forti. Josh Forti: So, what did your parents do right for you? One of the things that I try to say, I try to say it a lot but I don't even say it enough. My parents have played a absolutely tremendous... I owe so much of who I am today to my parents indirectly in a lot of ways. My parents didn't teach me about money or things like that. That wasn't their gift, but the principles of hard work and family values, biting your tongue, even though it doesn't seem like I bite my tongue. Oh my gosh. Every day, right? Russell Brunson: It could be worse guys. Josh: Right. It could be way worse. Some people would love that, but you know, deescalating situations and having those... I owe so much of who I am to those. Yeah, they messed up in a lot of ways like you said, but what were some of the things that your parents did right? What are the things that you remember from your parents? Russell: Yeah. I love my parents. I was very blessed with my parents, for sure. I don't think my dad was super engaged when we were younger just because he was in the phase where, like trying to figure things out and make money. It was different back then. Josh: Is he an entrepreneur? Russell: Yeah. He also had a job, but he did side business so he was always trying to figure things out. I saw him doing these things. I saw the job he didn't love and then I saw him doing stuff he did love and I watched him work really hard. Then when I started wrestling, I saw my dad... That became the thing that me and him connected with which meant the world to me and it was so important to him. What's cool was that my dad showed up to every wrestling practice. He came to every single match. His day job was State Farm insurance, he built up his book of business where by the time I was wrestling, he was able to take off as much as he wanted. It ran itself and he was making money and had residual income. I remember my dad was the only one, as soon as wrestling practice got done, my dad would walk in and we would do practice afterwards. Never missed a match. He was always there. I remember just thinking, I want to make sure I have a business or something like my dad was for me. That was so important to me. Like I said, he wasn't super around when we were younger and I think he struggled because of the younger kids, which I understand. That phase in my life, he was there and my best friend and it was just, it was awesome. I love that and I've been trying to have my kids now. Especially at times where maybe I wasn't as good of a dad, I was too busy. I'm trying to connect more. That was my dad for sure. Then my mom, for me she was just... I wouldn't say I'm a people pleaser but I'm very much an achiever. I think when I started wrestling and I saw my dad got closer to me and then I got a win and I saw him get excited, I wanted to win because I wanted to impress my dad. To this day, I think I still have that. Part of the reason I'm in this business and I'm doing stuff is I love when my dad sees it. There's something, I love impressing him. To this day I love that win. With my mom, she loved me even when I didn't win. that was something that was so foreign to me. I remember I'd be cutting away for wrestling, I hadn't eaten for three days. I'd be so tired, so miserable. She'd come down and sneak in my room, bringing me food. I'm like, "Mom, I can't eat. I'm not going to make weight." She's like, "Why don't you just quit then? You don't need to do this." She was the opposite of my dad. She loved me no matter what and didn't care that I was trying to win or succeed. Couldn't care less. She loved me just because I was me. That was weird but so cool as well. It's both those principles, it's something I've tried to weave in. I've got two different sides I'm trying to weave that into my kids. Again, so far from perfect, but I think those are the two things that meant the world to me, that I'm super grateful for them those things for me because I still remember those things now. Josh: So there is... Which by the way, that's awesome. There's a lot of people in this world that are growing up without a dad, without a mom. It's interesting because I think a lot of my social media posts, I kind of come across sometimes like the heartless a-hole, you know what I mean? A little bit, they're like, "Josh!" You know what I mean? You talk about, take personal responsibility for your life, everybody can do anything. If you're broke it's your fault, that's one of my favorite sayings. If you're broke in America it's your fault, right? They're like, "Josh, you don't understand. You grew up and your parents are still married. Not only do you have parents, they're still together and they still actually love each other." It's not even necessarily they're still together. You're like a percentage of the percentage of the percentage in a lot of ways. I don't even know what question I'm asking you, but what would you do? Where could somebody find that? What can we do as a society or just as entrepreneurs, as producers to help those people? I feel like that's a really big need. Russell: For sure. Josh: One of my big struggles with this is I always want to point it back to the church. I had a really awakening, come-to-Jesus moment back when I posted, this is probably a month ago or so. I posted it on Instagram actually. I think you liked it, actually, so I know you saw it. I said, "Defund the media, defund fear, defund career politicians. Fund orphanages, churches and schools." I posted it on Facebook and I posted it on Instagram, and I was shocked at how many people were like, "Dude. Fund the churches? They're a bunch of pedophile people there too." So many people had such this negative view of the church. I grew up in the church, that's what I knew. How I knew how family works is because I saw our own family and then I saw the church family and I saw the community and how the church was involved in the community. The church that I went to, after I moved out Grable, Indiana, I worked three doors down from it and that's where people went to vote was in their gym. And the fair, that's where people parked. The church was such an integral part... that word, a part of the community. So when I saw all these people that had this negative view of the church, that broke my heart because that was my solution. There are so many things. Like, if you don't have a dad, you can go to the church. If you don't have this, you can go to the church. Said, "What?" If that's your answer, that's cool, but how can we as producers of society and the people that are going out there and making the money, how can we help those that don't have what you and I had? Russell: It's interesting. What Mormons believe is the family is the central everything. That's God's plan. Husband and wife starts a family. That's an eternal principle, right? If you look at the adversary, Satan, whatever you want to call him, his job, if he can destroy the family, everything falls apart. That's the war we're in right now. We think we're in a lot of different wars. The war we are in is, Satan is attacking families. That's it. Josh: Okay. I want you to finish this, I have to say this though. Guys, and this is not Russell saying this, this is me. This is why I hate the Black Lives Matter organization. Not movement, the organization so much. Because, their whole principle is bragging about the traditional family values. Anyway, I'm not speaking for Russell. Russell: Yeah, if you Google "The Family: A Proclamation to the World," you'll see my beliefs on family. We have it printed out eight foot on my wall in my house. That's my belief. Family is central, everything. So, Satan, the way he destroys societies and nations and this world is, destroy the family. So when you see families are broken, they're single mothers and single fathers, it's heartbreaking. I think it's the saddest thing in the world. I don't know the right way to solve it. I do know that it's vitally important. I remember first time I met Tony Robbins and started learning from him, one of the principles he talked about in relationships is masculine, feminine energy. The masculine and feminine is key to a relationship. I could go on for four hours just on masculine and feminine. Oh, that's the most fascinating topic in the world. If you ever see how Tony fixes relationships, you look at the traditional view of traditional counseling, there's a problem. They're like, "What's the symptom of the problem?" They try to solve the symptom of the problem and counseling takes years because it's a symptom of the problem. All the issues, they're all symptoms of problems. The real problem is when there's a masculine and a feminine, and it doesn't matter. Again, this is true with gay, straight, doesn't matter. Feminine, masculine energy. You take a masculine and a feminine and that polar opposite, that magnetism, magnetize together, right? That's what creates attraction, passion, everything. What happens is you have a masculine and feminine, they're attracted together. That's how you start. That's how any relationship starts. Right? Then you look at people getting married. It was interesting because what Tony talked about, he said you look at typically in a relationship, there's what they call the seven-year itch, and why is that? He talks about the way the feminine causes change is... Some day I want to write a book on this. I don't know perfectly enough to- Josh: Russell needs to become a writer. My word… Russell: Yeah, I've got a lot of books to write. But, this is how it works in traditional marriage. Masculine and feminine. What happens is one of the ways that feminine causes change is they criticize, right? I see this with my wife, with friends, with girls. If they want their friend to change their hair they don't say, "Hey, you should get a haircut." They'll criticize to try to cause change. Right? What happens is that a feminine- Josh: Yo, wow. That's so true. Interesting stuff. Russell: Yeah. That's just one example of- Josh: Dave! Russell: Feminine… Josh: Right, right. Russell: So, feminine and masculine come together. This is just an example. They'll start criticizing the man, but a masculine man doesn't care, it bounces off him. Like, "Okay. Okay." Right? What happens after seven years of that happening? Eventually instead of it balancing off of you, which is the masculine response, you start taking it personally. Like, "Oh." As soon as you take it personally, guess what happens? You are shifting physically from your masculine into a feminine. You start shifting and what happens is you shift from masculine to feminine and boom, the attraction breaks, and it starts falling apart. And then all the other problems start happening. The problem isn't solving the fact that you leave the toilet seat up or that you don't communicate well. The problem is that the masculine-feminine attraction is broken. If you fix the masculine and feminine, you can make men become men and women become women. Attraction comes back, all the other symptoms disappear. It's fascinating. That's from a marriage, family, relationship standpoint. Josh: Okay. I want to- Russell: I'm telling this because I want to talk about this from the family with kids in a minute, but yes. Josh: Okay. But I want you to now give me another example that Tony Robbins has said, because what you made it sound like there is that the way the woman does something is the thing that's causing the bond. I know that's not what you meant. Russell: Oh, it could be, yeah. That's- Josh: I just wanted to do that clarification. Russell: It's the same thing with the men where the men are responding over and over, where women now become defensive and they become more masculine and it's the other way. Yeah. Sorry. That's not the only example. I was just- Josh: Right. Russell: The one- Josh: I just wanted to make sure we clarify that because I know thing's have been taken out of context before. Russell: Somebody is going to be angry at me. I apologize. I'm stupid. I get it. But conceptually, does that make sense? It's the break of the masculine and feminine that causes the split, which causes the disharmony. And if you bring the masculine and feminine together, I think that's what causes attraction and causes passion and causes all these things. I look at my life when we were struggling in our marriage, it's because I'm showing up feminine. When I show masculine, everything's great. Where my wife comes in masculine and I'm masculine, we butt heads, it's fascinating. Anyway, I don't want to get deep into this because there's so much stuff. There's another show on this, because you look at this thing. You've got a family and the mother and father split and then there's kids who go with either the mother or the father, and now what they have is they've got either a very masculine person they're learning from or feminine, but they don't see both. And so it shifts them and it shifts their relationship. So many problems. I think the way we help the most, or can help the most is... Hormozi does this. Alex Hormozi does this. He donates his money to... Do you remember the name of the charity? He got our first Two Heart award. It's afterschool kids. These kids, like men who... There's these kids trying to play basketball or lift weights or whatever, who don't have masculine energy in their life. They come and they donate their time and they help the kids to brig masculinity. All of us, we need male and female perspectives. Josh: Right. Russell: It's designed to have those things together. When you lose one of them, it's a tragedy. I think the way we can start helping is, how do we bring programs where they can see masculine energy and see the way to make it a positive and not a negative thing? A lot of times, all they know is masculine energy left and oftentimes there's a lot of anger between the people. They hear talking trash about the spouse and talking trash about these traits which are traits that are essential for them to develop. I don't know. I don't know if that's the right answer or not, but I feel like that's how we could help those things. Help them understand, like the kids who don't have a father or a mother. They need that energy in their life to understand it, to be able to... I don't know. Josh: Okay. This is seemingly unrelated to this, but I think that I can tie it back in because it's a question that I think fits in here. I'm going to start with a super-basic question, which I think the answer is obvious, but we'll go down this road. Do you feel misunderstood as an entrepreneur? Russell: I did early on, less so now. Josh: Why is that? Russell: When I was got started... Entrepreneurship has become more of a cool thing in the last decades. Since Shark Tank and stuff. Back when I first started it wasn't. Everyone was confused. Like, "Why would you do that?" It is cooler. Also, I think the more you talk, the more you either alienate people or you attract people, and I think a lot of the people who I have alienated have been alienated and I think they are attracted by attractive. So my bubble of people around me are people who understand this lingo, who relate to it. So it's less hard now than it was initially. Josh: I believe that one of my superpower... Your superpower, your art, your format is marketing and funnels, funnels specifically. That's what you do. I feel you could just sit there for hours and hours and days and forever for the rest of, all of time. Russell: Yes. I love it. Josh: My superpower thing that I like to do is this. Communication. I love constructing words in a way that people can understand. I'm sure not, but the Kanye West interview that Joe Rogan just did three days ago. Russell: I've heard about him… Josh: This has been a long awaited episode. No one thought it was ever going to happen because it was teased and it wasn't, didn't happen. Finally happens. So I see this, I had no idea what's coming. It drops and I'm a huge fan of Joe Rogan and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, this is amazing!" I sit down and I look online and all these people are like, "Terrible interview. Not worth your time. Couldn't get past the first 20 minutes." Anything like that. I'm like, what? So I go and the first 20 minutes are kind of like, eh whatever. I get done with this three-hour interview. It was like, top three interviews of all time. What's interesting is... Do you know Kanye? Like, how Kanye communicates at all?   Russell: No.   Josh: Okay, there's so many references that I want to use that you won't get. Kanye sees the world fundamentally differently and how Joe describes it in there and the way that I described it is... You wouldn't know this, like I said, because it's psychedelic, it's like a drug or whatever. But imagine being on a psychedelic drug in a small format at all times. That's how his mind works. He sees everything, it's like expanded. So even Kanye said, "The reason I have such a hard time communicating sometimes is because I see things in three-dimensional and then I have to put them into a two-dimensional conversation." I'm not trying to compare myself the way I think to the way that Kanye thinks, ubt this concept of people think he's beating around the bush when really he's just trying to explain something. One of the things I love doing is taking a concept that and figuring out how to describe it in a way that the average person can understand. I live in a different world, just like you live in a different world than the average person does. I live in a different world and that is by choice. I do not see the world the way that most people do. I intentionally do not want to see the world the way that other people do. Everything that I do, I will intentionally engineer where my life is different than the average person because I want to see the world differently, but I want to be able to communicate that in a way that they can understand. My question is, do you think that there's a lot of great ideas stuck inside of producer's heads that if more people understood them and thought like that, we could change the world for the better? But because they're stuck in their head and that person doesn't know how to communicate it well, or is not focused on that, that that effect never happens. Russell: Gotcha. Yes. That's why I think for me the study, this art of funnels and copywriting and story does, is so fascinating. That's what it is, right? I always pitch, like when we have an idea, in my head it's like this big granite block, right? It's like, this is the idea and give it to somebody, like, "This is the idea." You're like, "I don't get it." Right? Josh: Right. Russell: Then you start thinking about, who is it? Start chiseling away at the stone. You start chiseling, chiseling, and eventually you have this amazing statue. This thing that people can see and they can understand and they gravitate towards. I feel it's the same thing with communication or with any kind of idea you're trying to sell. The funnel is one thing. Right now, like, "Hey, you should buy my coaching programs." Why? Like, "Ah, it's too big." I need to take them to a path, simplify that. So there's a step-by-step process which is like chiseling away. Then inside each step of the process, there's the words and the stories, the things you communicate to simplify it to get more and more fine tuned. That's why for me, when we create a funnel and we launch it, it's like taking this big granite block and chiseling it down to now something that somebody can come in on the side of it go through a process. By the time they're done at the end, they're going to get some money, they're going to get a product and something's going to change for them. I think that's what marketing is. it's that process of trying to simplify the message. I think a hundred percent, that's why most ideas don't get out. I don't know, how many times have you had... This kind of comes back to talking about, who knows, an hour or two ago too, but four or five people get the same idea, but then one person executes on it. It's like the person who understands the communication the best is the one typically who gets it out, right? How much of your life or my life has been focused on the communication? I don't necessarily like that part as much. It's not my favorite part, but it's such an essential tool. I remember when I got in this game and I was trying to sell my very first product, Zip Brander. I put it up, I had a picture of it, Buy Now button and tried to send traffic, and nobody bought it. Someone's like, "Well, you need a headline," so I'm like, okay. So I put a headline. "Tell us what this does." So I found some sites that kind of modeled what they did and the people started buying it. It was learning that process of, how do you communicate? I remember thinking, I never want to learn how to write copy. That's what we all thought back then. "I don't want to write copy, I don't want to do that. That sounds horrible." I wanted to hire someone, but the people I tried to hire was expensive, it was 10 to $20,000 for a sales letter. I couldn't afford it, so I'm like, I have to learn this art and how to communicate. I'm so grateful because that's how everything we built has been, off the communication of an idea, and doing it in a way that gets people to move. Josh: How do you decide what you're going to communicate? You have a lot of ideas in your head and you have a lot of different thoughts on everything and you choose to share funnels and marketing primarily. Then you have some religion in there, which I would say probably is number two, maybe ish, of what you communicate. But that's it. How do you decide... Russell: The battles I want to choose? Josh: Yeah. Russell: What battles? That's a good question. I think part of what's interesting, like why did I want to do this interview? I read the book, it was fascinating. I don't know the answers and I thought this would be a fun way to talk it out loud. This is fascinating. Funnels are fascinating to me because I can apply it to so many things. You know when I talk a lot about wrestling, but not the community you bump into but for wrestling, I talk about that. I think it's just the ideas that fascinate me that I feel have the most fluidity and can do the most. Again, as an introverted person, I'll typically go out and have conversations with people as much as I can, but when I find something that does cause and effect, that's why I practice telling my story so many times and I'll do a podcast. I know now when I'm on stage in front of 9,000 people, the stories can get people to move because I practice it. So I think it's putting a lot of things out in the water and then seeing what things people relate to, and then I go deeper on the ones that are like, "Okay, this one had an impact." There's a lot of stuff. I remember in first version Dotcom Secrets, there were seven or eight chapters more that never got published. I was going to publish… Josh: Do you have copies of this? Russell: Yeah. It was like, all my best stuff at the time that I knew that I was going to publish it and it was all in the book. I remember I heard an interview with Tim Ferriss and Ryan Holiday... Ryan Holiday at the time and they were both talking... Anyway, they were talking about their books. Both of them said that when they write a typical book... You know, Tim Ferris's books are like this fat… My first draft was like, twice as big. It's like, to make your book go from good to great, it's not adding more. It's cutting. Like, I cut two thirds of my book to give you this one. I think it was Ryan said the same thing. The first draft is usually twice as big as the final one. Then the next section, it's cut, cut, cut, cut. I remember going back to Dotcom Secrets that night and I was like, "Okay, based on that, what would I cut and how would that do?" I cut seven chapters out and after I was done, I was so scared because I love these things, but those things aren't that important to get people what they need to actually be successful. Some of those things ended up being in Dotcom Secrets and Expert Secrets, and different places, but yeah. I wonder how that first version- Josh: I was going to say, I wonder if she just published the first day or if she had a 2,700 page book and cut something out of it. That's crazy. Okay. Back to the question in the car, and I want to tie this back to the book. How has growing a multi-hundred million dollar, making hundreds of millions of dollars having a roughly billion-dollar company, being the CEO of 400 employees, how has that changed your perspective of the world? Russell: So many things I could respond. I think there was a season of my life where I thought that if I was going to create something, if I was going to do something, the way I was going to do it, by me. Does that makes sense? Josh: Yeah. Russell: In fact, if you look at my history, the first decade of business, the businesses were about me. They were me. I was the sole owner, the sole person. On this journey, when we started, it was so different. It was like, what's the team look like? Todd was my first time I had a partner. That was so scary for me. Then it's been the greatest thing I possibly could have done. Right? Then we brought in other partners and then employees and stuff. I don't know. It's been fascinating just realizing that to build this, it wasn't about me. It was about... I don't know, just that whole thing. I think anything great, a lot of times there's a person that gets credit for it. Like, Elon Musk gets credit because whatever or Bill Gates or whoever the people are, they get the credit for it. You start really seeing how many people are involved to make something amazing. You know what I mean? I think that's the biggest thing for me as I started growing it. It's frustrating. Not frustrating for me. I enjoy it. People are always asking, "Russell invented ClickFunnels." I literally don't know how to code anything. There's not one dot of code in that word. Maybe once I leaned over Todd's shoulder, put a button in that and he had to delete it. I think it's cool that you see how many... Before Funnel Hacking Live, every time we start we bring our whole team together. I'm the one who's on stage, but I am fully aware that it is not me. This is us. If it wasn't for this team and these people, all you guys, all your contribution, this was impossible. I want to always ground that because I think sometimes the leader or whoever gets a big head where they think it's them. I see that with a lot of people who are on big stages where they still drink their own Kool-Aid so they think it's them. That's my shift in the world, just understanding the great things, the things that we remember. The things that are legacies that go on and on and on. There may be a head or a person that the branding tied too, but there's this group of people that created something amazing. That's… know what I mean? Josh: How do you stay grounded? I am a huge fan of Russell because for me, you're the person I look up to as not just, hey, you taught me how to make a lot of money, but I want to have the character that you have. I don't want to have... I look at Grant Cardone. You don't have to talk smack about Grant Cardone, but I can. Grant Cardone is really, really full of himself. Don't get me wrong. I learned a lot from Graham Cardone, especially about money. He's changed my perspective about a lot of things. I'm eternally grateful for that, but if I grew up to be Grant Cardone, where that was the focus.., I mean, I watched him, I was there at the stadium down in Miami or whatever. It was all about him. I think he even got up on stage and was like, "Oh yeah, everybody says Russell is the greatest salesman, but I'm the one that packed the house." I'm like, dude! You know what I'm saying? Why? Why is that necessary? How do you stay grounded? It's so fascinating to me to watch different types of people. I know Tai Lopez for example, for awhile there, it was all about Tai and now he's gone more behind the scenes, but each person that I watch whether it's Tai or Gary or Grant, they all have a different way about them. You have your way about them. The one that I see as the most grounded, humble... There's nobody that's looking at you. You get up on a stage and you're like, "Oh yeah, I'm Russell!" You know what I mean? Russell: Everyone awkwardly, like, "Yay." Josh: Right. Then you walk up and Grant's like... But you, it's just yeah, it's that awkward, "Hey, I'm just over here." How are you grounded in that? How do you not let it get to your head? Because it would be so easy for you to get wrapped up in your own head. Russell: Someone told me it's because of my wife. They said, "If you'd married anybody else, your head would be so big." Josh: I met your wife for the first time today. I mean, we had crossed paths, but I said when you were getting your haircut, "So what's it like being married to Russell?" She goes, "Hes just the sixth child of mine." I was like, oh boy. The big kid. Russell: That's awesome. I think I would say it's two things. We kind of talked about this earlier, but I'll tie back to it. The first one is that I am fully aware that these ideas are not mine. I didn't invent the funnel. I didn't invent any of this stuff. All I know is that I was on a path, in a journey. I was given the thing and the next thing, and I was freaking out and I was putting them together. That's part of it. This stuff's not mine. It's stuff that was given to me and tested and so I'm so grateful for that. It's never me like, "Oh, look what I invented." That's so annoying because it's not. Again, come back to these ideas, these thoughts, these desires and things that were given to us. I think that's the first part. The second part of it is, and I see this a lot in people in my world who, they had some success and then they're like, "This is my person. I made them a bajillion..." I hate that too. Like, you helped them in a piece but they did the work. I'm very careful to always when I'm talking about any of our success stories, I didn't make that person. We had this super-cool opportunity to be a piece to their journey. Right? We helped them give them some ideas and a tool, but they're the ones that killed. I don't know what it takes to build what they're building. I didn't do that. They did that. I'm grateful that they did and I'm even more grateful that I got to be a little piece of that. I got to be part of that journey. I got to see that and just have the impact of, oh my gosh. Because I killed myself and wrote those books and because Todd killed himself and wrote software and I was able to communicate it, they're able to do this thing and it's not all me. I'm fully aware it's not all me. I know what every entrepreneur has to go through to be successful and it's not a mentor who gives you everything. It's just a lot of people who are a piece. I've had mentors who gave me a piece that I'm so grateful for, but then they try to take all the credit, like, "Oh, this is when..." I hate that too. So I think those two sides. Number one is again, I don't think these ideas are something that I came up with. They were given to me and I was a good steward of them because I was able to aggregate and there's the thing. The number two is just my belief that I didn't help anyone. Even when you said, "You and Katie," I felt awkward. I didn't do anything. Josh: Right. Russell: Luckily some of the stuff resonated with you and it was a little piece of your journey. I'm so grateful for that. The fact, to see you do stuff now, it's so much fun for me to watch you. Just knowing, "Man, because he bumped into me, maybe something happened and now he's doing this stuff and this work and it's so cool seeing how you're impacting people." I think those are the reasons why I don’t think my head gets big, because I don't think it's me. I'm grateful that I get to be a piece of it, of the journey, but I'm not the creator of it. Josh: All right. I want to loop back to the book. Russell: Go ahead. Can we just read it? You guys want us to read it to you? Josh: Yeah. What was the thing that fascinated you about it though? When you've asked me, you were like, "Dude, I read it and I'm geeking out about it, I just want to geek out about it." What about it had you so fascinated? What did you want to geek out about it? I have a question that I want to ask later on about it, but what was the thing that just made you geek? Russell: There are a lot of things. I think the biggest thing that I was really excited, we talked about earlier was just… The biggest thing earlier was just this cons-... Again, for those of you who are tuning in late in here, there's the whole, it talks about greed. Right? And that concept of greed versus charity. Again, the book very much is like, greed is good, it's the thing that causes production and you should care about yourself and then good things will happen, it will create jobs and everything else will take care of as long as you're caring most about yourself. Which I thought was kind of cool but then also I had the other side with my beliefs in Christ and Christianity and all these things like that, where it's just like, how does that reconcile with faith, hope, charity and love, and serving everybody else? That's probably the thing that got me the most. I think about that a lot, especially in politics. Again, I'm not deep into politics, I'm not going to talk about who I'm voting for, not voting for, it doesn't matter. But I see that on both sides. I feel like on the Republican side you see a lot of this stuff, like this. Then on the Democrat side, you see a lot of the charity stuff. Again, in my notes I wrote this actually initially, because I wanted to talk about this. I'm a big believer that there's not a right and wrong. There's good in both sides. Josh: There's not a right or wrong side. Russell: Yeah. Things are messed up on both sides. It's how the world works. Satan, there's this eternal struggle between God and Satan and Christ, this is always happening. So there's two sides and there's God-like principles and things on the right that are amazing and then there's Satan that's twisting things and jacking them up. Same thing on both sides. I see everyone fighting tooth and nail and I bet you, if we all sat down, the majority of all issues we'd all agree on. But then it's these fringe things that causes so much hatred and fighting and just drives me crazy. I think that this book is the perfect example of what I believe so much in some of these principles, but there's also the opposite principles that I also believe in and they're both right. If you missed the beginning part of the interview, we talked more about that but the greed, the growth and contribution, that transition is the key that just fascinates me. Josh: Yeah. What parts of the book contradicted the most with your faith? What part of the books did you have the hardest time with because of your faith? Russell: Yeah. The producers in the book, the minds, the people that I connect with, because I self-identify as a producer, someone who's obsessed with production and creating. That’s why I relate with Hank Rearden, Dagny, all these people are cut from my same cloth. It's as they're growing this stuff that they didn't give back, that they didn't... That's the thing. I felt like they weren't rounded out characters and that's the biggest thing for me. The first half of the book, I want to be Hank Rearden. He's fricking the man. Like yes, that's all I want to be. I wanted to see him have that change of heart where he's Christ-like and he gives of his own free will. Not because the government came with the gun and told him he's got to pay taxes. I wanted to see his character develop and realize that, "Oh my gosh, I should be serving people because I love them. Not because of the government's force." That's the piece that I wish. Josh: It never took that turn. The book, you almost expected it and then it didn't happen. Russell: It got worse and worse and worse and then they waited until just everything... People were dying, everything collapses and then the lights in the yurt go out, wooh, and they're like, "Okay, now we can come back and build." Josh: Now we can go back and build, but even when they come back and build, it was built by our new law of basically... Actually, one of the things that's fascinating about that was... Gosh, it was towards the end. Was it Galt? I think it was Galt. Yeah, I think it was during his speech when he was like, "The minds society, we gave all this stuff to you guys basically." Trying to be like God there, but every day, we created all this stuff, we created these jobs, we created these resources. We gave it to you and all we wanted from you guys was for you to let us be in our own head. Let us, our minds be free and not be controlled by anything else. You took all that and not only did you take it all, then you said, "No, you're bad and we're going to take that away too. So we're all going on strike because of that." You relate to that so much and then it's like, yes! Then they explained how they live and it's like, you expect them to have that change of heart rather, but no. It's because we are amazing and because we are the great minds and we must live by this code. It has nothing to do with actually giving back or actually contributing to society. It was like they didn't care about contributing to society. It just happened to happen. Russell: Yeah. Which is cool, which is why again, governments should let producers produce because the byproduct is really good. Josh: Right. Russell: For everybody. So that part is so much I relate to. Part of this is probably because Ayn Rand didn't believe in God. You know what I mean? That wasn't part of her values and so it's tough because she weaved that... I just wish at the end of the book, it would have been like, and then Hank Rearden realized that he could help all these people himself and so he built orphanages and changed all these kids' lives. Like, yes! That would have been amazing. He found about OUR and he went and donated money to save all these children. Josh: Right. Russell: But he did it of his own free will because he had that change of heart. I don't want to die at the end of my days and... I produced some great jobs, but I didn't care about people. I feel like that missed the mark. Josh: Hank Rearden you say is the person you related to really most in the book? Russell: Yeah, I think so. I wanted to be Francisco though, he was pretty sweet. Josh: Who do you think I related to most in the book? Russell: Oh. Who was it? Josh: It was a relatively main one. You were close. Russell: Oh, was it Francisco? Josh: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Russell: He was cool. Josh: Right from the beginning he fascinated me. I knew right when, the plot twist of where he ran off and became the playboy or picture, he was obviously a playboy or whatever. I knew right then and there. I don't know what the plot, I don't know what the connection is but I know this is going to come back around and it's not going to be how it seems. The mind doesn't shift and then he stays in the scene or whatever. He fascinated me because, or he strikes me as someone... Hank Rearden didn't care about the crowds. He did not at all. He hated going to the wedding. It was by force that his wife drug him out there that one time. It was always, "I just want to work in my office." I'm actually not like that. I am actually much more the... I do like the crowds, but I don't like the crowds because I need praise. Don't get me wrong, I like being on stage and doing this type of stuff or whatever, but for me, I like the crowds because I love people. It's funny because I actually don't get along with a lot of people in real life. Whenever I go to the airport, I'm like, I will pay whatever it takes. Put me on a plane first, the least amount of people I have to deal with, whatever. I don't want to have to interact with people that I don't want to interact with. But I love studying and understanding people's minds. For me, one of the reasons I am so fascinated by Donald Trump is because of how he can control the crowds. You look at his rallies. Dude, you can't ignore them. They're just huge. My fiance's parents, or her mom and Kirby went yesterday, I think it was last night, to Omaha. 29,000 people showed up in the bitter cold of Omaha, a last-minute notice. That type of control or not even control, but that type of influence to be able to go through, what is it that makes people go and do that? So Francisco in the book, he was the partier guy and he went and he was with the crowds and he was very good with words and articulated, but he sold me at that wedding. I'm telling you. Russell: That was good. Josh: To me, there's more than two ways, but super simplified down, there's two ways to influence people. There's one, which is the indirect, which is build a software company, it's build a product, it's build an iPhone. You're not directly influencing them with your words or whatever, but it's influencing their behavior by creating a product, by creating a service that's going to go out and change the world. Then the other way is to actually go out there and change them with your words. That's why Jesus, for example, Jesus didn't build the product. He did it through His words kind of, sort of, but to me that's so fascinating. If I can figure out how to do that, that's how I can affect real change in the world. And it's funny because you've had had such a massive influence on my life, but probably a year and a half maybe ish into me knowing ClickFunnels, I was like, "Man, Russell's doing it all wrong." I had this thing of, if Russell would communicate more about stuff besides funnels, he would have a bigger impact. I had this limited belief of, this is the only way you can influence and impact people, is by going out there and actually speaking to them. But that's my superpower and my gift. In the book, Francisco was the one I think that best represents my style of trying to go out and do things. I find it interesting by Hank Rearden with you… Russell: I'm the same way. I would rather be in here building funnels, doing some stuff. There's scenes of Hank in the book where he's sitting there looking out over the factories at night and he sees, he watches the steel being poured, it's glowing. He's enjoying that. For me, it's similar where I do the stage thing and things like that. I get less value… interactions are hard, but I spend a lot of time on social media at night, just looking at the people that I know are in our world and watching what they're doing because that's me watching the steel. My mission is not to go teach people how to do what you do. I'm giving you a blow horn so you can go do it. That's more fascinating to me to sit back and explain to my wife. Events drive her crazy because then it'll happen and it'll get done and then I scurry off and I don't want to talk to anybody. I sit in the room and I just watch what people takeaways and then who they're talking to. I spend a lot of time just watching. That's for me like looking over the steel and being like, I gave them a trumpet or I gave them a blow horn and now their messages are going out there and I can just watch it. 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Welcome back to part 3 of this special episode series. Today Russell and Josh try to answer the question, “does everybody need to be an entrepreneur?” They also talk about celebrating other people’s success and how having kids has changed the way they work. So listen in and enjoy part 3 of this very special interview. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets podcast. We're about to start the third part of our five-part Atlas Shrugged interview series. I hope you guys enjoyed part one and part two. I'm sure there are things that you agreed with, I'm sure there are things you disagreed with, that's okay. This whole thing is not about me trying to force anything on you, it's more just to get us all thinking and open the conversations and help us look at things from both sides. With that said, we're going to move now into the third part of the interview series. Again, we broke down our three and a half hour interview into five podcasts episodes. I know these are long, but I hope you're enjoying them. And hopefully it's just getting the wheels spinning. Hopefully, you're enjoying it. And I really hope that it gives you the desire to go and read the Atlas Shrugged book and kind of see some of these principles through that lens. So, with that said, we'll queue up the theme song. When we get back, you'll have a chance to listen to part three of my interview with Josh Forti. Josh Forti: Okay. I want to circle back to one quick thing and then we can move on. Russell Brunson: Okay. Josh: So the question I was trying to ask was, when you were like, "Hey, there's the technician or there's the plumber, there's this, or there's that or then there's the person that comes in and makes it rain." There's only a few people in an organization that like, make it rain, right? Like you in ClickFunnels, you make it rain. You're the one that brings it in and, I'm sure there's other people to a certain extent, but you are that person. And you probably have what, 100, 200 people on the support team? That don't actually make the company any money, but they do play a critical role in the sense that the company couldn't function without them. And so, to those people there, how does somebody who... Two-part question. One, can you live your best life in a position like that? Can you be most alive and fulfilled and live a great life, doing something average like that? Number two, does that person need to go learn how to make it rain? Does everybody need to be an entrepreneur? Does everybody need to be... Like, you are so fascinating, you got this whole community of funnel hackers and like, "We're going to go out and choose a world. We think differently. We do it differently. We got all this stuff." Would it be good if the whole world thought that way? Or do we need people that don't think that way? Russell: There was a time in life where I thought everyone should think that way. I don't think so now. I have family members who love what they do and they're obsessed with the art, like the art is what they do. Some people... I've had good masseuses and bad masseuses. Some masseuses, that is their art, you can tell, you're just like, "Oh, my gosh. They're the best at their craft." And I think that's okay, I think if it brings fulfillment, that's more important. But people aren't fulfilled, that's the second question. If you're not fulfilled then why, you know? And I think one of the most powerful things, Myron Golden taught this at Funnel Hacking live, and he taught it at two comma club a couple times, he has a thing called the four levels of value. It's so fascinating because… Josh: Such a good one. Russell: Yeah, it's so good. The first level of value, for those who haven't heard this before, is it just talks about I'm going to not do it justice, Martin's the man. One of the greatest speakers of all- Josh: Tell YouTube. Actually I don't even know, if it's on YouTube. Russell: It's on my... Anyway, yes. So bottom level is, people work their hands, right? And this is the hardest work. Like, the person that's actually building the building. Or typing, you're doing support, or whatever the thing is, they're working with their hands. That's the lowest level of value, right? Like the most you make when you're, when you work with your hands is maybe 50, 60, $70,000 a year, but you're tapped out, you can't get higher than that. Now, if that's your calling and you're good at, and you love it, go all in. Become the best in the world at that thing, and that's totally cool. But you cap out on salary, you can't make more money at a certain point. Because that's the value of that tier value. The next tier value, if you move up one tier, is management. Somebody who can manage all of the workers. And there's people... One of the big mistakes we made inside of ClickFunnels, we took the people inside of our team who were the best workers and we upgraded them to management and they were horrible managers, amazing workers moved into management. And they weren't managers, this is a different mindset. They can go learn that, but that's not where they were gifted. And a lot of times it was irreparable, we couldn't move them back down because in their mind, like, "Oh I'm a manager now." It's like, "No." I think one of things we learned is someone can be a worker and make more money than the manager. Just because sometimes their skillset, like the programmers and developers, getting an amazing programmer to code something is, a lot of times, worth more than the managers managing that person. But in most businesses, most organizations, manager's next tier, right? Because you make more money as a manager because you're managing a lot of workers, as opposed to one. Then you go up the next tier value and it's the communicators. People learn how to talk and to sell, that's the next thing. You make more selling and you do managing, and you typically make more managing than you do actually doing the thing. And not everyone's going to be great salespeople. I think it's a teachable skill. I think you may have seen my early videos, everyone thinks this is a gift that I was born with. It is not, it is something that's been developed. Josh: Guys, you should go look at Russell's old videos, they're so embarrassing. Russell: They are the worst ever. Yeah, when I was your age I would not have been able to do this, it's crazy. So that tier is the communicators and the top tier are the visionaries. Imagining it, you're using your brain to make money. So your use your brain, your mouth, your management skills or your hands. Those are the four tiers of value. So I think wherever you fit in there, that's cool, we need people all the tiers, but like... I did a podcast about this the other day, I'm like, "Whatever you going to be, don't just be a person doing it, become the best in the world." We were in Oakville Tony's Event and we're in a hotel and it was kind of weird because there's a spa, so like, all excited to get massages, but it's also COVID right now. So the masseuses have masks on, they have plastic gloves, it was weird. And I got my very first massage, they paid for two massage it. So I was like, "It'll be fun." The first massage was so bad. I was like, "I never want to get a massage again, ever." It was so bad and I'm sitting there on the table, it was only an hour long massage, by the time it was done I was like, "I want to get out of here, this is just weird and horrible." I did not enjoy it. And I'm a massage person. Josh: Yeah. I love massage. Russell: And I was to the point I'd never want massage again, but they'd already booked us for the next day for the second one. And I was annoyed. I went to the second one and same thing. She's got plastic gloves on like we have to do and the mask. And I'm just kind of like, "Oh, I don't even want to be here." And then she puts her hands on me and it's just like, it was art, it was different. And both of them are doing the same job, right? But somebody was like, "I want to be the best the world." Versus, "Oh, I'm just doing the thing." And you see that in every area of life, the chiropractors, there's chiropractors, that are good and there's ones that are great. Doctors, dentists, business. I'm more, wherever you're at, don't just be mediocre, become the best in the world there. That's more important to me than... You know, if you can be a plumber, be the plumber who you walk in... Like we've had, our house, so many plumbers come in. We had some that come and they fix the leak and then something else breaks and they go “uh…” And other guys should come in to check everything, they make sure it's perfect. I want that person, I want the artists I want the person that this is their art and not just like, "Ugh, best job I could find." Josh: Yeah. All right, so now I'm about to ask you a question and I understand this is totally your opinion on it, maybe you have something to base it on. So, the person that is at those lower levels of value, the average worker that's out there, that's doing their thing, especially in today's super soft victim mentality America that wants to vote for free stuff. Makes me so mad. Anyway. The average person that's out there, looks up at people that make a lot of money and the general consensus, I think, or the way that America slash the world is going is, rich people are bad, right? Like, "You're so greedy, man. You got all his money and you're not giving any to me, you get to go sit in your massive house and your cars and you can do whatever you want." And so, even if they are doing what they are called to do, they'll look up to a millionaire, a billionaire, somebody that has all this stuff and they'll look at it as bad. Like that shouldn't happen. How do you create a society? And this is why... I know this is big picture type stuff, but how do you create a society that allows people to be okay with being the best version of themselves where they're at without looking at you and being like, "You're bad."? You know what I mean? Russell: Yeah. Well, it's not going to happen in our lifetime. It's not going to happen, my belief, till Christ comes again. And when he does, it'll be a perfect, you know, things will be great. But until then, it's not going to happen because humans are humans. Right? Josh: You mean Donald Trump's not going to just fix everything? Russell: Oh, if he does that'd be amazing but I'm not holding my breath. But I would say more so just, for anyone who feels that way, I would look at that more... And I did a podcast about this, if you're not someone who celebrates other people's successes, everybody, I don't care if you hate the person, if you're a big fan or you're not a big fan, if you don't celebrate their success, then you are going to struggle to ever be successful because you're going to be so scared of other people not celebrating your success. I remember... I am not a huge Gary Vee fan, you know this, for reasons I'll talk about in my next book. But- Josh: When I tweet this out on Twitter, Gary, when you follow me, shout out, by the way, The Patriots won the Superbowl more than The Jets. Just throw that out there. All right, continue. I just guaranteed he'd never come on my podcast. Russell: I do like Gary, I just, we had a thing, but whatever, he doesn't remember it, I'm sure. But anyway, he got the shoe deal with... Whatever the shoes. Josh: Adidas. Russell: And he's going to market and for half a second, I was like, "That sucks." And then I was like, "You freaking he's in our industry and he got a shoe deal!" And I ran to my computer. Josh: Or K-Swiss, yeah. Russell: The K-Swiss. I bought the shoes. I got them… And I did a podcast, celebrating the fact that someone in our community got a shoe deal and all these things. And most people that I know were like, "I thought you're not a big Gary fan." I'm like, "I'm not, but that's a huge success, we should celebrate success." Because if you don't, then what's going to automatically happen in your head. If you're Not celebrating people's successes then you have the subconscious fear that someone's not going to do yours. And so you're going to stifle yourself and be successful. So I try when anybody around me is having success. Whether I like them or I don't like them, I always am like, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to try to celebrate it." And then by doing that it changes your brain to the spot where you're okay having success, because you're assuming everyone's going to celebrate like you. And they're not going to, but it's different subconsciously. If you are not celebrating other people's successes it will stifle you from ever having your own. And so I think that's a big part of... If that's where you're at right now, it's something you got to change. And when you start making that little shift and start celebrating people's successes above you, it's freeing, it's amazing. Because then all of a sudden you're unlocking yourself, like I can succeed because they did and people are going to celebrate me. And it shifts those like psychological things that you do and it changes everything. It's weird. Josh: Do you think... You're not political, like hardly at all. Like, do you even pay attention? Russell: No, not too much. I was like, so those who read the book, Hank Rearden, and this is part of his demise, is he doesn't pay attention to it at all. So as I read the book, I'm like, Hank Rearden, doesn't pay attention, I don't pay attention. Real quick, can we do a shout out for these shirts again? You guys have seen them? By the way, how many of you guys would like one of these shirts? Josh: Ooh let's make them comment for this first. Russell Brunson: Okay. Josh: Guys, how many of you want to shirt? Yes or no. Comment yes or no down below. Russell: So this is the Rearden Steel one. And this is who is John Galt? One. Josh: Very dope. I'm not going to lie though. Like that was pretty dope, but this one wins for one reason. Russell: The quote is cool. We can put that quote on this one too and make it silver. Josh: Ooh. Ooh. Russell: Okay. This is my selfish pitch. Can I do- Josh: Hey guys, can Russel do a pitch real quick? Russell: Is it okay if I sell something? He says something to you. Keep in mind. I make no money off of this. I don't even know what he's doing. No, we have a little fun site we created just because that'd be fun called TshirtSmackdown.com where we have two shirts and then people vote with their wallets, which shirt they want better. So if you guys want these shirts, you could actually buy whichever one is your favorite, or both if you like them both. Just got to go to TshirtSmackdown.com and they're up there right now. And guess who was the models on TshirtSmackdown? I assume. Are we the models? Anyway, go to TshirtSmackdown.com, you can get one or two- Josh: Oh my gosh. Look at that big your team. Russell: We're super models! Josh: Your team's amazing, dude. They put it together that fast.. Okay. Let's geek out the book here for a second. Russell: Yeah. Josh: The audible door. That, the password that was audible. When I read that I was like, "Yes!" That's a brilliant mind at, it's like you have to say it. And the part that I thought was interesting was, it wasn't just the words he's like, and it's programmed to where it will not open unless the person that is saying it is actually like saying it with conviction or something to that effect. They actually have to like, mean it. Can't just be like, "Duh duh duh duh duh. Okay, I'm in." Like, now you guys want to read the book so bad. Okay. All right. We'll come back to the TshirtSmackdown, comment. down below. Let us know and let us know guys. Let's not go down the comments, if you're listening on audio you can go leave a rating and review and leave us in the comments. But like, if you're just listening, YouTube, Facebook, wherever, comment down below your favorite part of the conversation was so far. I think that'd be super cool. Okay. Let's geek out on the book for a second here. I actually have a lot of questions about the book, but I want to know, what was your favorite scene? Russell: Oh, Oh, so many good scenes. My favorite scene in the book. So it's kind of like the crescendo of the whole book. Because the whole book is asking, who's John Galt. Who's John Galt. Josh: Okay. Hold on. Sorry, David's sitting in the background. Have you read the book, Dave? Okay. So I'm just making sure that you're not just sitting over here, like freaking out. Dave's like I have to read it too. I was like, I need to talk to somebody. Dave, go read this. I'll see you in six months. Russell: So the whole books leader, who's John Galt, who's John Galt. We're kind of introduced to him a little bit when Dagny meets them. And then she leaves and goes back to the real world. And all of a sudden, there's this part where the looters and the government are trying to do this broadcast. And all of a sudden… (static noise) the broadcast is interrupted and they're trying figure how to fix it. But all of the people who would fix it have been taken- Josh: Because all the great minds as society are gone. Russell: And all of a sudden over the loud speaker comes John Galt and he starts the speech. And the speech I think is 80 pages in the book. It's four hours on the audio book, four hours. This is why you don't watch you to movie you by the way. Cause it's less than 30 seconds in the movie. Josh: How do you take out four hours? Russell: Oh, it's such a good... Anyway, he gets on this microphone broadcasting to the entire world, nobody can cut them off. And he gives this speech about… Josh: The entire book. Russell: I’m just freaking out… The set up. It was so crazy, all of a sudden it happened. I was like, "Whoa." And anyway, that was my- Josh: And he ends with this and he goes, and I'll say it one last time “I pledged my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man nor ask another man to live for mine.” Russell: Anyway, that was my favorite part. Josh: The 80 page. Four hour long version of it? Okay. Russell: Oh yeah. So good. Josh: Okay. I like that. My favorite part of the book, I read this and I was like... So, I like play my life on and act like I'm in a movie, right. Sometimes I'm like, do this. So do you remember what the wedding? Russell: Oh, Francisco speech. Dude! Josh: That might've been better. I promised Leah I would be done after this chapter. And it ends, and I'm like, "No!" Russell: The John Galt had a better buildup and then I didn't know it was coming, there's a wedding and everything. And then all of a sudden it starts happening. I was like- Josh: Out of freaking nowhere. Russell: Yeah. So Francisco, he gives a speech that was like, yeah, I wasn't expecting it. So I think it was less buildup, but it was amazing. Yeah. The John Galt buildup was like, this is like, I was waiting when you said movie. Because I was like, "It can be amazing." Then it's like, come on. Anyway. Yeah. Those are the two best parts. Josh: Yeah. Yeah. At that wedding... I'm reading this and it was like that moment I was like, "Okay. She finally made it all..." And that was relatively early on in the book. I was like, Oh, if the book follows anything like this, this is going to be such a good book. Right. Because he gets done with that and you're just... It's something you'd want to watch out in real life and know that somebody thought this up and they wrote down. You're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was so good. That was, that was hands down my favorite part. Russell: I want to read the book again, I wish it wasn't 1200 pages because I want to go back to experience it but it's so big. Josh: Okay. Have you read the cliff notes version of the book? Russell: No. Josh: Okay. So yeah. So there is there's, I think there's the cliff notes, like the one that you buy. I think it's like a four-hour audio book, I haven't listened to that one. But usually on cliffsnotes.com, can like read the book. You can basically get a summary of the whole book in like, 30 to 45 minutes. I read it. Russell: It's still worth reading though, you guys. Josh: Oh, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. But that's the reason I'm bring it up because I notice 1200 pages, but if you just read the Clifton, but you're like, "Oh, okay. Cool storyline." But you miss the effect of it all. Russell: One of the things that I thought was fascinating. Just because I'm working on my next book, which is not a how-to book, so I'm learning how to write differently. So I've been- Josh: Ooh, you want to tell us all about it? Russell: I'm really proud, excited for it. But one thing was interesting, if you look Ayn Rand did the dialogue in the book, she did all the dialogue, but it's just one person speaking. So it's fascinating. Every time you notice that, like when her partner was in the cafeteria with some guy we didn't know, you only hear his words, you never hear the other side. Josh: That's so true. Russell: Most of her dialogues were just, you heard the one person talking and you could get the gist of the conversation by reading one side, but they never had the other side and I'd never seen someone write that way before. And there's a lot of cool things like that where it's just like... Again, I've written three books now, but I wrote books with Google Docs, with editors and people. Like imagine writing a book in the fifties with a typewriter. Think how much forethought has to go to something like this. Josh: Yeah, that's wild. Russell: It is insane to think that. Yeah. So I have so much respect for people who wrote then. And especially, I'm trying to learn how to write as a story as opposed to how to, and the art of it is just fascinating. As a book, it's worth reading just to see how she wrote is fascinating as well. Josh: What was your biggest... Actually, I want to go down that rabbit hole a little bit further. So writing, is your next book fiction or not? Russell: No, it's just the next book is about bootstrap.com. Bootstrapping is the ClickFunnels story, but it's not like the how-to, it's telling the story as the story, which is going to be cool. Josh: Oh, that's going to be so good. Russell: First thing we're doing is all the core people who've been part of ClickFunnels story. We're flying them out and interviewing them for... I've been mapping out the entire timeline of events as close as I can remember and I'm going to interview... All the pieces from their point of view. Trying to get that from like 50 different people and then take all that stuff, think the timelines up and write the book as a story. So it's a different writing style I've never done before. Josh: That's interesting. Russell: Oh yeah. Dave wants to tell you the cool part. So I'm also like been re-geeking out on The Hero with a Thousand Faces and The Hero's 2 Journeys and all that stuff. Because I want to make sure... Well someday I want to try to sell it to Hollywood or something. So who knows? I don't have the end of the story yet, but like- Josh: Which is by the way, super fascinating because of how the concept concept of going for a target and then going towards it. Like, you don't know the end now you're just like, that is so cool. Russell: Oh yeah, and so it's cool. But I was like- Josh: Russell's so much fun to watch. Russell: So I've been, I've been geeking out on the hero's journey. So I'm like, I'm trying to sync the timeline of the ClickFunnels startup story to the timeline of The Hero with a Thousand Faces, all the core things. To see if I can get it to fit inside that framework, which I think we'll be able to do. it's going to be amazing. Then what I'm trying to do in my new office is I'm going to build the rumors, like a timeline, so the entire room wraps in a huge chalkboard with a timeline that goes around and it has the dates and the years of the journey and stuff. And then writing in each core thing on the wall. And then, you know how in the spy movies, you have like a string that goes and you have the pieces of paper. Josh: Yeah. Russell: As I'm writing the book, I'm going to have the whole thing timed out in a square room. And so you see it all and they can see all the pieces, how they all fit together. And then when the book's done, in that room, that'll be the wallpaper on the room. Josh: Oh my gosh. Okay. All right. So here's deal. Here's a great idea. So you do that up until a certain point, like this is modern day, and then there's an end of the wall. And then from that point to there, that's when you're writing and when you get to the end of the wall you have to sell everything and go into hiding and become John Galt. Like that book's done, I’m out. That's fascinating. Russell: But I get to write a story that's way different. It's not, like all my other books are how-to books so they're written differently. And so it's just been fun- Josh: Which by the way is why when I first got into entrepreneurship I was like, "I don't know why anybody would write a book that's not like that." Like I'm like, "Why would anybody write a book like this? This is so lame." And now I'm reading it and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, this is so cool." Russell: I tend to respect the books I'm reading now, I just finished Shoe Dog, which is the story of- Josh: Oh that's a great book. Russell: American Kingpin, which is the story of the silk road and the dark web, one of my favorite stories I've ever read, I've read it twice already. And the writer is probably the best writers I've ever. I read it and I was so depressed. I was like, I'll never write... Because I tried to hire him to write my book for me. And he's too busy. Josh: I will give you a blank check, just write this book. You're so much better than I could ever dream of. Russell: So I had to go and learn how to do it. Josh: What was the most fascinating thing about Atlas Shrugged, to you? Like, the way it was written or the concepts of the character, anything. What was the overall, the most fascinating part for you? Russell: Character development was so cool. I think the coolest thing for me was... I'd love to see a sim diagram because I don't know it, but each of the characters each played, like they were a character, they played a role that is like this magnified society as a group, almost. Right? Josh: Yeah. That's actually super true. Russell: Like, you have Hank Rearden and Dagny, and then... Josh: James Taggart. Russell: Taggart's wife. All the people, they were humans, but they were personification of a segment of society, which is really cool. And so seeing that where you're getting this micro versions, macro problem. That was cool because I never, again I don't study politics, I'm not deep into it so I don't know all these things. And you hear this character and you hear the story, and all of a sudden you're like, "Oh my gosh, that represents this group of people that I..." And so for me, it was cool because I was able to understand things at a different level. And I'm not the best at this, I always try to put myself in other people's shoes. I try to understand... That's why I'm not super political, because they get so divisive and I see good on both sides. Like, I understand, I can love people on both sides of it. I think it was so cool for me because you see the pros and the cons of each thing. Right? You see the positives, negatives, each belief pattern. Josh: Yeah. Russell: I think Rearden, as much as I related to him, it was like, there's the good and evil, right? And all of them have that. So it was just cool because it gave me this perspective, I didn't know of so many different segments of society. It made this really cool tapestry and picture for me. Josh: Huh. All right. So now the polar opposite. What do you think the book lacked in? Or didn't communicate well or left out? Russell: I think, something we talked about today, I do feel like most of the producers in the book, they didn't have the other side of it. Right? The social stuff is important, helping other people is important and I get why she did it. Like I said, the Phil Donahue interview, she's like, "People should be social. They shouldn't do it with a gun." But she never showed that she, didn't show, Hank Rearden going in like, "Oh, this is a cause I care about like, let me go and..." Josh: At all, in any part. Russell: I think that stuff's important, that's why we talk about political. On the left side, what they're trying to do is good it's right, it's from God, it's so good things. Right? But there's ways that people twist and all sorts of stuff like that. And I wish they would have showed more of that because I felt like the characters were one sided where it's just, the people that are looters and the people that are producers. And I feel like there's more blend for all of us, we have blends of those things. And they did a good job as dissect- Josh: Super, yeah. Russell: You know? I think we all have all those things, I want to give, I want to serve, I want to do things, but I also want to produce, I want to do both those things. like how do I, what's the world look like where we do both of those things. And I don't know how to. In my little universe that I've created for myself and my family, I'm trying to produce. I'm trying to contribute and try and do my version of what I think is right. All we can do is what we think is right in our own little world that we create. And so this is my world I've created, I'm trying my best to do it. And I wish that they would have showed some of that side. But I think that that was a part, I feel, that the characters were missing just that part of it. Josh: So what's interesting- Russell: Christ-like, charity, love stuff. Josh: Okay. Well, and I'm so glad you brought this up, what I think is interesting, the thing that I felt like the book was lacking the most is nobody had kids. Russell: I didn't think about that. Josh: Think about this, none of them... Because one of my questions, she was going to be like, "How Was having a kid?" And I kind of asked her... Kind of changing perspective, but I'm like- Russell: Interesting. Josh: Nobody had kids. And I don't have kids. I'm not married, I don't have kids. I'm getting married. Russell: Yeah, woo hoo! Josh: By the way. Shout out to my beautiful fiance. All right. But for me, I'm so focused right now. So I grew up in a big family, right. Eight kids. I'm the oldest living. I had one other brother who passed away, but like six younger siblings. And like, my whole life changes once there's kids in it. And I know that even though I haven't experienced it, because I've seen it. And so for me, and Leah and I have talked about this like, "The twenties are for us, thirties are for kids." And so I'm like, "I got to make as much money as I possibly can before the because ah!" And I even told Colette this, I said, "If there's there was one thing that I would sacrifice my career for in order to be able to do, it'd be to homeschool my kids." I can't fathom sending my kids to public school, that's just me because I grew up homeschooled or whatnot. But as I was going through the book, I'm like, "I can relate to all of these people, but like they're leaving out like this key component." Imagine being Hank Rearden and living like he did, with your five kids. Or do you have? Russell: I have five. Josh: Yeah, I was going to say, before I was like, "Oh my gosh." So think about that. You know what I mean? And so I feel like one of the, because there's a lot of people I know that I've read Atlas Shrugged, like, "Heck yeah man, this is the greatest book ever, like for-profit blah, blah, blah." And I'm like, "Yeah. But like imagine living your life that way with a family." Imagine living your life like that with the kids and responsibilities, people that you actually like. How- Russell: I think about this. Because like our timeline, it comes back, we talk about growth and contribution. Right? So most of us, we get born. All of us, we get born right. Only way to get here, we're all born. Right? And from when you're born until you're, whatever, for me I got married at 22, I was 22. And so it's like the first 21 years, it's all about you. Right? It's selfish, it's growth. It's whatever it is, it's you, you, you. And everyone's very inward focused. And then all of a sudden you meet this beautiful person and then you fall in love, that's amazing. And also what happens is it shifts from you, you, you, to us. And you're giving, taking, giving taking, and it's cool because, all of a sudden all your focus isn't on you, it's on somebody else. But they're focused on you too and it's this amazing thing where like, I'm giving, but I'm also getting, it's this amazing thing. It's this transition that's easing you into kids because then kids come out and it flips now where it's like the opposite where you're just serving a hundred percent, especially the very beginning with kids. I was joking my kids about this one night when they're like, "Why are you guys so mean?" And I'm like, "Do you realize we get no value from this. We don't get paid a penny from this, there's nothing in parenting. We kill ourselves, we serve, we don't sleep. We work. We hate money." And that's not true, there's value. Josh: I'm just sitting here imagine Russel telling his kids, "We get no value, you do not pay us." Russell: I'm like, I'm killing myself. Josh: To be fair, you do get a tax break. Russell: Yeah. But especially when they're first born, they're cute and you get lots but they're in the selfish space now where you're giving a hundred percent and they're not giving back. Other than they giggle and cute and you're like, "Oh, so cute." But for the most part, you get this time where you're selfish and then it's like, "Oh, I'm serving someone else, but they're serving me." And amazing, then all of a sudden it's a hundred percent service there. And I think that that's a good point. Hank Rearden had only done this thing. And then, he never had a chance to like, a hundred percent serve somebody else and see what that's like. Because the value you get as a parent is when you serve a hundred percent of kids and you see like who they become, that's the value. But it doesn't come from the quid pro quo that you normally get with like, "I'm going to buy this thing or pay for this thing." Josh: Right. Russell: It's like, "I'm gonna serve, and serve, and serve." And eventually hope that someday they turn out to be cool. Josh: Yeah. And that's a super interesting point. And maybe that's why she left that part out of it because she was like, "None of these people would ever have kids-" Russell: And she didn't have kids, so that's a big… that might be the part, she's never seen that. At least not that I'm aware of, I'm pretty sure- Josh: That's crazy. Because going through I'm like, "This book I think would mean so much diff..." So when I first read it, like I said, whenever I first learned about this, back in high school, right. I read it. I hated reading. I publicly declared, and it's actually funny. When I graduated high school, I bought myself a pickup truck, I stood on the top of the pickup truck and I publicly declared to the world, I would never read another book ever again in life. I hated reading. So that's funny because now I'm reading 1200 page books and I've read every one of those books back there. It didn't really take on the same effect as now, being an entrepreneur, being someone at... Like at one point I had five employees and I'm 26 years old. So now I'm reading it and I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." But if I read it with kids, I feel like that would even give you a completely different perspective on like... How has having kids changed your... Because you're an entrepreneur basically from day one, right? You never really had a job. Right? Russell: I've served tables and stuff, I didn't have a job more than three months. Josh: Okay. So you're, you're a failure in the normal society, right? You can't hold a job, you get fired for... But how's having kids and having to balance... Because man, like, dude, you're running a... ClickFunnels is a billion dollar company. Right? We're allowed to say that? Like that's a thing, right? Like roughly, I'm not off on that. All right. Russell: The value is based what you will pay for so hopefully somebody pays that some day. Josh: So we're going to say a billion dollar company. So you're running this billion dollar company, you've made hundreds of millions of dollars, you've been payed a million dollars an hour from stage before... By the way, big props, congratulations. How has balancing work now with that, with the kids growing up, I feel like now they're at, because you're oldest is what, 12, 14 or 15. Right? So how has that changed the way that you view your work? Do you struggle with that? Like the balance. Russell: Yeah. Especially now with COVID stuff happening. Kids being homeschooled. Because before it was easy to separate because they're going to school, I'm going to here. Separation is easy. Now it's harder because it's they're still home. And it's like, "Oh, should I be there?" It's definitely tough. Yeah. It's interesting. I have so many entrepreneur friends, I always tease them because it's like, who don't have any kids and they're doing amazing things. I'm like, "Yeah. But I'm doing this stuff and I got five kids and a beautiful wife and I got callings in my church." And there's so many things. I hired a trainer, Dave knows a safe trainer. I remember when he started working with us, he said the biggest thing he knows me start working with me is that you'll be shocked what your body can actually endure. I think that most people don't understand what they could actually do. How do you run a company this big and have a family and have a successful marriage and have these... You can do it, and most people don't because they sedate. And like, I don't watch four hours of football a night because I have all these other things. Right. I don't know, it's just you take away the excuse of sedation you can produce so much more than people are able to understand. I don't know. So it's interesting. And then it's been such a weird thing too, with kids, because I think when you first start having kids, you assume they're all going to be like you. Like, "Oh, they're all going to be entrepreneurs." And then I had twins, it was crazy, our first two that came out are twins. Now they're 14, almost 15. It's crazy because I assumed they'd all be the same, the same as me or the same together. And they are so polar opposites. Josh: Yeah, I didn't even know, I just found out today that they were twins. I had no clue. Colette's like, "Yeah they're both turning 15." I'm like, "Wait, what?" Russell: Yeah. They don’t look like each other, they don’t act like each other. One's more entrepreneurial. One's more, if you look at disc profile, I have a DI and we have an SC. Josh: Oh my God. Russell: Introvert, extrovert. All the things are different. And I always thought, you know, my kids are going to be entrepreneurs like me and now I don't think they have to be. It goes back to what we talked about earlier. With my kids, I'm like, "What do you want to do?" And I think some of my kids are very entrepreneurial, a lot of them aren't. I think some of my kids are super smart, hard workers who are going to be amazing at the roles they play in something, they're going to be a huge part of changing somebody's world, but it's not going to be the front person of it. And so it's been interesting watching that and fulfilling and hard and it's all the things wrapped into one. It's an interesting experience, you're going to love it. You should start having kids right away. Josh: Yeah. That's not going to happen. But why though? Russell: Because you should know, it takes time. Josh: Okay. But how long did you go? How long did you wait? Russell: Uh, two? Let's see, we had our 18 year anniversary, the kids are turning 15. So almost three years. We tried earlier, but we had fertility drugs, stuff like that and everything, But yeah, so about probably two years and when started trying. Josh: Yeah. I can't... Kids scare me dude. But it's interesting because like I grew up with six younger siblings. So I was definitely old enough to remember the whole diaper phase and like, you know... Obviously I wasn't a parent with it. And the church that I went to, eight was like average to small amount of kids. A lot of them were like 13 kids, 12 kids, 14 kids, whatever. I think the smallest in our whole church was four, and they were the weird ones. Russell: "You only have four kids? What's wrong with you?" Josh: Right. And so everywhere we went, that's just what it was. So for me, I had that rebellion phase, if you will. I don't want to call it rebellion phase, but where I was like, "I don't want any of this. Why would you... They're expensive and they suck all the time. And I can't go do this." I'm like, "I want to be so filthy read before I go having kids." And I taught Sunday school and was very involved in the church growing up and things like that. So for me it was like, "I want to go build my business, doing that is more fun." The interesting thing about kids. And I told my parents this, I don't remember when it was, but my parents aren't super wealthy or successful when it comes to business or anything like that. But I look at my parents as some of the most successful people that I've ever met in my life, because my mom's favorite... There's little things that my mom told me over and over and over again. And one of her famous lines is, "The only thing I need to know in life is I just need to know that my children walk in truth." Right. And my mom, particularly, and my dad too, like both of them, but I relate it with my mom, cause she'd keep saying it, it's like my mom's definition of success and achievement was, "Do my children walk in truth?" That is what was success to her. And she's like, "Yeah, money would have been great, like all these different things." But that was kind of the pinnacle of success for her is, do my kids walk in truth. And so as I have gone through my own journey of faith, which has been, I mean, it has been rough at times, right? I've watched her struggle with it and freak out because she's like, "I just want..." But that's not her journey to bear, but it is at the same time. And so it's always been interesting, kids are this thing where I feel like once I have them, obviously I'm there for the rest of my life, but I feel like there's this stress or there's this new piece of my life that's unlocked that I've never explored before. I don't know anything about it. And I'm like, afraid isn't the right word, but I'm pushing that off as long as I possibly can because once that's opened then I never get to close it again. And that mystery is almost fun to like look forward to, but at the same time, I get to focus over here. Russell: Essentially I remember thinking about this a lot, especially for the first two years. I was like, "his is so much harder than I thought it was going to be." Flat out, way harder. But also remember feeling and thinking out loud, "This is so much cooler than I ever dreamt it was going to be." Like this double-edged sword. And I was like, "Man, I didn't realize how tired and worn out." And all these things. But then so much better than I thought. It's funny. Cause I had a lot of friends who are like, “well, I want to make money, and then I’ll have kids”. I don't think, I don't know. It's different. I would just have kids, you can do both. It's not impossible. Especially when they're first born, they just sit there. I would spend a year or two and just not- Josh: Right, right, right. Russell: But I wouldn't wait until like, "Oh, I need a million bucks in the bank." I get people all the time, I know people that are broke, that have eight kids. They're not that expensive. Like, Cheerios are not that expensive, if you need to. It's just being willing to be there and be loving and be being present for as much as you can. Another thing that's been interesting, especially now that our kids are going to be teenagers, it's like so much harder. That's harder. Josh: Really that's harder than when they're young. Russell: Oh, for sure. Yeah. Josh: Dave's over here just laughing. Russell: It's different- Josh: Oh gosh. What am I in for Dave? Oh no. Russell: Yeah. The young part is like, "I'm tired." That's a hard part when they're young. When they're older, it's just like, am I messing these kids up, I just want them to be successful. That's the bigger fear. I remember a little thing that gave me some grace, Tom Bilyeu, I heard of this Instagram post about him talking about being a parent, and it was so funny because he's like, "Who here is scared that you're going to eff up your kids?" That was how he would have said it. Josh: Right, yeah. Russell: I would say “mess up”. Who's gonna mess up your kids. And everyone's hands like, "Yeah. I'm scared." He's like, "Guess what?..." I got to make sure I gets right. He's like, "My parents messed me up. You're going to mess your kids up. But guess what? We turned out okay in the end. Just be okay with the fact that you're going to mess your kids up because you are." And I remember, I was like, "Okay, everyone messed up their kids, that's part of it." That's part of the whole journey, that's the journey. And it gave me some grace of just like, "Look, I'm going to do my best. I'm probably going to mess them up." But at the same time you have to have faith, they're going to do their thing and they're going to hopefully make the decisions. And if not, that's why we have God. That's why we have repentance. And just in the kind of leaving it to leave it to him and do your best. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to part 2 of the 5 part Atlas Shrugged interview! On today’s segment you’ll get to hear Russell and Josh discuss being a producer and how important it is to continually create content. They talk about being a good steward over the ideas that God gives you, and how you should be preparing for even bigger and better ideas. And finally, they explain how “motion is the key”. So enjoy part two of this fun interview and don’t forget to go to tshirtsmackdown.com for your Atlas Shrugged swag! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. All right, my first question for you, is how'd you like the first part of the interview with me and Josh of Atlas Shrugged? I hope you enjoyed it. Today, I'm going to give you guys part two of a five-part interview series. We will pick up after the intro song, we'll pick up where we left off. We'll keep diving into these topics, these concepts. Again, throughout this interview, we talk about religion, we talk about politics, and we talk about all these things through the lens of the Atlas Shrugged book. So with that said, we'll cue up the theme song, we'll come back, we'll go into part two of my interview with Josh Forti about Atlas Shrugged. Josh Forti: Because what I'm trying to figure out, this is open discussion here... I am a pretty motivated, driven person. I never would've described what I was doing as greedy. Russell Brunson: Would you have thought that when you were an athlete, or thought when you were a kid- Josh: Yeah. Russell: ...no. But what is it? Josh: Well, yeah. And that's why I asked you the question. Because I don't know the answer myself. Russell: I feel the same way, because I never... it wasn't until I was reading the book, The Utopia of Greed- Josh: Yeah, yeah. Russell: ...and all of a sudden, I started thinking, all these things we're doing... we call them growth, we call them whatever, which is awesome, but it is... it's a greedy time in your life, right? Josh: Yeah. I wonder what the actual definition of greed is. Russell: Yeah. Josh: I'm going to look this up. We'll see. Definition of greed. Russell: It has a def-... negative connotation in our world today. Josh: Intense and selfish desire for something, especially money, power or food. Russell: Or food. Josh: Well- Russell: There you go. Josh: All right. Money, power or food. Russell: For me, thinking about the lens of wrestling, when I was wrestling, I had a selfish desire for, I wanted to be a state champ, I wanted to be an all-American, I wanted to be a national champ- Josh: But why? Why? Russell: Because I wanted my hand-raising. That was all I thought about, all I dreamt about. I couldn't... I'm a very obsessive person, that's why I don't gamble. Because I was like, I put a quarter in and I win, I'm broke. It doesn't matter how much I started with, it’s gone. And I know that about myself. So when I started wrestling, and I got my hand raised the first time, I was like, that feels good, I want to feel that every day for the rest of my life. And I just went, blinders on, and that's all I did, that was my... and I mean, I wouldn't have thought of it as greedy, but by definition, it's like, you need to focus on these things about yourself. Now I'm in the phase of my life where I'm coaching wrestling, coaching my kids and stuff like that, and it's different, because there's nothing in it for you, except for seeing their hand-raising and that light in their eyes go off, and it's just like, that felt way better than my own. But you don't know that until you're in that phase. Josh: Yeah. Did having kids change that for you at all? Did it help solidify or give you a different perspective on that shift from greedy to- Russell: I think... maybe not so much solidify as much as I'm experiencing that in multiple parts of my life, not just the business part. Josh: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Russell: A lot in part, you think about our success stories and our business are our children, the children of ClickFunnels, whatever you want to say, they're the people that have come off it. So I think I'm experiencing it now with them, and it's been interesting and fun and... yeah. Josh: How long did it take you to finish the book? Russell: I think about two months. Josh: Oh, wow. Russell: You read it way faster than I did. Josh: Well, it's one of those things... it's funny because my mom was like, have you even read the book? I'm like, what do you mean, you made me read in high school. And I went back and I was like, oh, I didn't actually read... I knew the book, so I assumed I had read it. And then I realized it was 1200 pages and I was like, I don't remember reading a 1200-page book. I feel like I would've remembered that- Russell: I got to do it right now, because Russell's going to be talking about. Josh: Right. And that's exactly what happened. So it was like, oh, we want to do this, cool. And I could've sat down and had the conversation without reading the book. Because I knew the concept, the premise. And so then I went through it and... every night, two-and-a-half speed, couldn't sleep, I'd get up and like, oh, man, it's 3:00 in the morning. Close the book, go back in there. So- Russell: Can I interject? Josh: Yeah. Russell: Because there is something you started on that I want to make sure we don’t miss, because I think it was... you started leading real good and there is somewhere I want to wrap it because it’s an open loop in my head now. Josh: Okay, okay, okay. Russell: You started talking about how you agree on the left side of social helping people, but not the way that they do it- Josh: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Russell: ...is that how you said it? Okay, so- Josh: I agree with what they want to do- Russell: Yes. Josh: ...i don't agree with how they want to do it. Russell: Okay, so, this is something that was powerful. So after I read the book, I was geeking out, and I'm like, who is this Ayn Rand, I want to see. So I started searching her and I found an interview she did on Donahue, 1980, three months after her husband passed away. And it was a fascinating interview- Josh: Oh, dang. Russell: ...she's atheist, does not believe in a god, all these things like that, so- Josh: She even made a statement about how part of the reason she wrote the book was to prove that religion was fake and to destroy all belief in any form- Russell: So once again- Josh: Super different. Russell: ...this is not the Bible for me, this is just... stimulating book that got my mind spinning. One thing she said during the interview that was so cool, because Donahue's like, "So based on this, you believe that we should all be producers and greedy and keep all our money and we should never... we shouldn't help anybody." And she said, "No, no, no, that's not what I said." She's like, "I never said that." She said, "What I did say, is that it should not be the government coming to you with their guns saying, 'Give me your 50% of your taxes.'" That's what's messed up. You think about this, if you give a gift... if someone comes to you and gives you a gun like, give your friend a gift, are you actually giving them a gift? No, you're not. Josh: Yeah. Russell: If you don't pay the taxes, they put you in jail. That's the thing. She said, "People should go and support people on their own." This comes back to... this is the whole thing we talked about before, the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, unless he yields to the enticing of the Holy Spirit. Us yielding saying, "Hey, I have all this money, I should go help other people with this." That's God saying, you should not be greedy, use what you've blessed with and help other people's lives. Right? Them coming to you with a gun saying, "Pay your taxes or go to jail," is not you giving a gift. It's them taking it from you and giving it away. So you're not a better person because you did it, right? And then we get into the whole depth of... this is the government now who's the worst run organization in the history of all time, which… I won’t even rant on that. You want to trust them with the money, right? So I just want to share a practical example, because people are like, "Well, you wouldn't give money if you didn't..." whatever. Right now, I'm taxed more than 50%, so more than half my income goes to Uncle Sam. He's doing whatever the crap they do with it. Josh: Well, you just need some Cash Flow Tactics. Russell: Yeah. Josh: Shameless plug. Russell: Yeah. Anyway, I have no idea, I don't actually do my taxes. That's the tax bracket. But then you look at... when you yield to the enticing of the Holy Spirit. So there was a time when my friend Stu McLaren is like, "Hey, we're building schools in Kenya, and this is mission and we believe in it, will you help?" It wasn't greedy Russ like, "I'm going to help and this is going to be awesome." Josh: Yeah. Russell: I felt something, I was like, "Oh my gosh. That is a great cause. Yeah, how can I support you?" In that process you can see, here's pictures of Stu and Amy in Kenya, we've been to Kenya four times now. We donated money, we built schools... that is a gift, versus give us money so we can go do something with it, right? And then a couple years later, I heard about Operation Underground Railroad, and I was like, oh my gosh, and I felt the spirit saying, "This is a good cause, you should serve, you should do this thing." And I put time and energy and money into this thing. We raised multiple millions of dollars now to save children from sex slavery. And not everyone's willing to do that. Again, there's a segment of people who will... it comes back to, the natural man is an enemy to God and has been since the fall of Adam and will be forever and ever. A lot of people never get off the greed boat. But most people, as you start making more and more money, you look at anybody, you look at Bill Gates, look at Elon Musk, anyone who's making much money, what do they do with their money? Eventually they start giving it to charities or helping people... all these things, because there's that transition point where you feel that, you hear the voice, you hear God, whatever you want to call it. You should be serving more. And I think... I know that if my tax went from 50% to 20% to 10% or whatever that thing was, I would and could give so much more, and everybody could. Right now, half the money goes to organizations that... what's happening with the money? Do we know? Do we see any ledger of what's happening? No, it's insane. Josh: Even Bill Maher, who... do you know Bill Maher? Russell: I know who he is, I don't follow him- Josh: Stupid... super left, right? Definitely would not align with our political views, or your... or my political views. But even him is like, I have no idea what my tax dollars are going to. I have no idea where my millions of dollars I pay every- Russell: Isn't that scary? Josh: Isn't that crazy. It's wild. Only the government. It's crazy. Russell: And then they go like... sorry, this is a plug for OUR and Tim Ballard. Tim Ballard, I know does not take a salary. His payment for being CEO of Operation Underground Railroad and risking his life day in and day out is zero dollars they pay him. He funds it himself. All the money he makes is from his books, his speaking, other things he does, externally to pay for himself, because he doesn't want to take money from an organization saving kids. Can you say that about any of the government- Josh: Yeah. Russell: ...no, it's insane. It's... anyway. But, yeah. So for me, it's like- Josh: Somebody's going to mention that Trump takes a zero dollar salary in there. That's not what we're talking about. Russell: But for me, it's like, that's my big thing, understanding that I think there's this blend of left and right. If we're not producing, the fact that I'm going to wake up every morning and kill myself, even though I have more money than I'm ever going to need, now we have 400 plus people who have full-time jobs here... excuse me, full-time jobs here at ClickFunnels. It's 144,000 people who have active ClickFunnels accounts. Each of those people, if they had one employee, it's 144,000 jobs. If they had two to three, that means... you're looking at... it's probably half a million to a million jobs have been created because of ClickFunnels, because we get up every day and we're chasing something, we're producing, producing, producing, right? If you take away incentives of that... I'd have to lay off half my staff, which then... and then everything starts disappearing really quickly. Where it's like, if they took that away, now we can go and how much more could we do? We did the OUR... we talked about OUR and showed the documentary at Funnel Hacking Live, and since then, four or five dozen people who were in our community showed the OUR documentary at their events and made money, and it's like this ripple effect keeps growing, growing, growing, versus the other side where it's just... it shrinks and- Josh: Okay, so, I want to get non-specifically political here for a second with this and... I don't want to say play the devil's advocate, I just want to understand your thoughts on this. So the argument on the other side, if you will, the people that are more traditionally higher tax bracket, you should be taxed even higher. We want to take more of your money away because it's this. Basically, the thought process is like... listen, you have donated your money to Kenya and to Operation Underground Railroad and things like that, but guess what, there's probably people here in your own community, like in Boise, for example, right, or wherever these entrepreneurs are, that you have millions and millions of dollars, there's people that are homeless. There's people who can't afford medical payments, or there's people who genuinely need help. And so the argument is, yeah, you've given some, but you have so much of it, you could do that and be taxed higher. We could take even more of your money and your life wouldn't change at all, and we're also like... not talking about your business money, we're only talking about profit, we're only going to take that part of it away. And so the argument on the other side is, if collectively... and I'm just going to make up a number here. Let's just say there's 10,000 entrepreneurs like you in America, that have millions of dollars or billions of dollars... I know you don't have billions.... billions of dollars, we could take all that money, and hypothetically, we could solve a lot of these issues. We could tax the top 10 richest people, whatever. Why doesn't that work? Or, A, I guess it's a two-part question. A, are you... A, why doesn't that work, and B, what is your solution for that, if any? What's your perspective, your view on how that would help? Russell: Yeah, I think- Josh: Or can you not help everybody? Russell: This is the fun part, politics, right? It's tough, and I'll preface this before we dive into the actual question... it's tough because there's good on both sides and there's bad on both sides. That's the hardest thing, right? And so that's the hard thing, is you can argue both ways. Let's say me as an entrepreneur, because I only know experiences through my own self, right? Josh: Right. Russell: I know what I pay in taxes every single year. I know how much goes away, I know how much I make. And it's tough because the more... the less you make for the more you work, the less incentivized you are to keep working. If my take-home was $100 grand a year, I'd be like, why am I killing myself? I could work three hours a day and make that, so why would I keep doing this stuff? If there's no reward, then it's hard, right? It's like, what's the purpose of doing any of this stuff? And it'd be really easy to then shrink back, and the company shrinks, employees shrink, everything shrinks because there's no incentive for us to risk everything. It's a risk reward thing. That's a big part of it. How do you solve it, I don't know, I don't think the solution is the government to come in with a gun and saying, give us half your money so we can go solve this problem. I think it's, man, what are the things in you're interested in saving? What are the things that touches your heart, what are the things that you're inspired to actually help? For me it's Kenya, for me it's this, for me it's... there's other things that we give money to that I don't talk about publicly. But there's things that... what are the things that I care about? Let me focus there. Everyone's got different agendas. I had Matt Maddix, someone who I... Caleb Maddix is the father, he's super awesome guy. He came to me and he's like, "Hey, my mission is to save these kids off the streets and this stuff..." all these kinds of things. I'm like, "That's amazing," he's like, "Can you help me?" I'm like, "That's not my calling. My calling are these things here. That's your calling, dude, I respect it, I support it, I'll help give money or whatever I can do to help. But that's your calling. God gave you that. That was the thing that you were given, that's the mantel you're in charge of." And everyone's got a different mantel. So your calling might be different from mine, people come to me all the time like, "Oh, that charity's cool, but I support this." Like, good, I don't care who you support. Everyone's got different callings and they're all good. So I think we should be able to say, what's the thing that speaks to our heart that we're passionate about, and that's what we should focus our time and our energy and our money on, not... again, don't come with the guns saying, "Give me 50% because I think it should go over here." Josh: But what about the people though, that... let's pretend, and I have... guys, I love Elon Musk, I'm going to use him purely as an example. Clearly I have no idea what he does with his money. But let's pretend. So, Elon Musk and all his money... what if he wasn't charitable? Should the government, or anybody, be able to come in and be like, "Yo, you have so much money." Or Zuckerberg, or whatever. "You have so much money. We're going to... you got..." I don't know, he's worth $90 billion. Let's say he has $3 billion in liquid cash. I'm just... hypotheticals here. "You got $3 billion here literally sitting here. We're going to take that away and we're going to give you... you can have $500 million if it, but we're going to take $2.5 billion and give it to people who actually need it." Do you think that there needs to be some overriding law or power or something that's like, "Yo, you can't just hoard. You got to... if you have more than enough, you got to go and give it back." Or do you think that's a personal choice? Russell: I think it's a personal choice. Think about, how many jobs has he created? He's giving that stuff, and this is the reward for this risk and reward side of thing. And his $3 billion, let's say, what's his next thing? He's not just going to sit on it, that's stupid. For him, for anybody, right? Josh: Right. Russell: He's going to go invest in the next thing, he's going to create more jobs, do more things, to stimulate the economy in different ways. He's going to go and start PayPal, and then he's going to start Tesla, and then he's going to start sending rocket ships to space. A producer's going to produce, because they want to produce. It's the art for them. So let them create art because the byproduct of art is jobs, it is stimulation of the economy, all those things happening. And so for me, building funnels is my art. I couldn't care less about the revenue that comes from it. I need the revenue to be able to hire the teams and the people and the things that we need to be able to continue the art, to pay Zuckerberg, to show my ads on the thing. All these things are part of it. So I think, yeah, if he's sitting on $3 billion, it's just sitting there, but producers don't typically do that. They're reinvesting, they're doing stuff with it that creates more. Josh: I want you to come up with a story on the spot, go. Which you're pretty good at. But I want you to talk about that. Producers produce. I think that might be one of the... actually, I'm curious to know... I feel like that is one of the most misunderstood things about the ultra-wealthy. The people that are actually... not like, I inherited $200 million because I'm a trust fund baby. But the actual Elon Musks of the world, the Jeff Bezoses of the world, the Russell Brunsons of the world, what ultimately drives you to go keep doing more? You have all of the money. And I know... we talked about the... you want to contribute back part, but there's a million different ways you can contribute. Why do you do the things that you do? Because I feel like one of the misunderstood things is... and this is something I don't know how to explain it to people that don't know it, I told my fiance, I was like, "You should listen to Russell." Because I'm like, "I think like that." You know what I mean? If you don't understand me, maybe you could see it from somebody else and know that I'm not weird. I mean, I am, but there's other people like me, that think like this. But it's like, how would you explain to somebody that Elon Musk is going to do what Elon Musk does. He's Elon Musk. Zuckerberg, or whoever- Russell: Hank Reardon. Josh: Right, right, whoever. Russell Brunson. You're going to do what you do, because that's who you are. You build things, and the result of... because you need to build things, you need resources. So you're like, man, if I want to go build this thing over here, I need $100 million, or I need $10 million. I'm just going to go make that money, and I'm going to go do it here. And you're basically just organizing things. You're either creating or you're organizing. How does that mentality work? I don't think the average person understands that. And I think that's one of the big misconceptions of... because this goes back to the greed thing, and the reason I really don't like the word greed is because there is so much misconception about it, although I will say the definition says that it's probably that. Russell: It is a negative word... the connotation's super negative. Josh: But it's like, you don't exclusively do it because you're greedy. You did it because you don't know how to do anything else. You know what I mean? Russell: Yeah. Josh: Sorry, sorry, Alex Charfen… We can't turn it off, and we don't understand why anybody would want to. Russell: Yeah, yeah. Josh: Like that, that's the thing. Russell: If you think about it, it's creation. Why was man put on this earth? Were we put on Earth to wake up, watch TV, go back to bed? No, we have creative powers in our body, that’s how husband and wife get together and have children and create. That's the mission on Earth, we're always creating. Any of us, you get married, you create something, we need a house, where are we going to live at? And you create things to be able to get a job, to be able to organize matter, to be able to make, oh, we have a house now we can move into. And that's the thing, so many people though, they become... the word that Garrett White uses best, sedated. Where there's pain, and so because the pain, they're sedated, so they just sit in the moment of, they don't want the pain. Because the pressure is too heavy for the one point, it hurts so bad, they say, I have to stop. Versus what we talk about, over the last six years, I get destroyed, then increased capacity, then destroyed. And so there's two sets of people, there's the people that aren't producing, they're sedating, because they're afraid of the pain, nervous of the pain, trying to hide from the pain, I get that. There's been seasons of my life where I've felt pain and I just want to hide, and I have. And then there's seasons of your life, at least hopefully for most... and I wish everybody could experience it, because the opposite of it, when you're in the creation zone, when you're creating, you're doing it, it's hard, it's a different... both of them are hard, they're different hards, right? One is there's so much fear, there's so much just trying to get out of the pain, and the other one is just... you create to create, right? You can ask my team, we build a funnel, and for me, it's just like, look at this thing we created. We create a product or an event or whatever, and it's like, the creation of the thing, and sharing it with people, that's... I don't know. And I think it's the same way when I was wrestling, that was my art at the time, and I didn't want to do anything besides wrestling. When to tournaments and tournaments, I'm like, what's the next tournament, what's the next thing, kept doing that, kept doing that, my entire life, because that was the art. After awhile, you just want to keep performing what you're doing, right? And I think that if you can get out of that sedation that most people live in... I say the majority of- Josh: And I think that's the issue, that for you and I, we create. Entrepreneurs, funnel hackers, free thinkers of the world, they go out there and they create because it's like, that's what we do. Russell: Yeah. Josh: I don't think that's how most of the world operates. Russell: Yeah. Did you... initially, right, when they're born, they have that seed, that seed of whatever we call it, growth, greed, whatever, right? Something happens in life where they get the pain and they sedate because it's easier. I think that's one of the biggest problems, and I am anti-drug, anti everything that causes sedation, because most of the world, I see... especially in entrepreneurial community, where people could be doing so much more, but instead there's sedating with drugs or alcohol or weed or whatever, because it's like, let me take the pressure of myself. And man, what a tragedy. You could be producing and changing so many people's lives, but it's like, I need an outlet. The outlet causes sedation, it takes you out of your ability to produce. I think the majority of people, that's what they do. It drives me crazy, I see all the conversation on Facebook of... there's entrepreneur events where people come together, they literally... there's sessions, we talk about what mushrooms they use to hallucinate... it just drives me nuts. You guys are sedating to get out of this pain as opposed to stepping into the pain, creating and changing people's lives. So I'm very vocal, anti all that kind of stuff, because I think so many people, that's what they slip back into. One of the greatest blessings of my religion that I believe is I don't have these tools to sedate that most people use. And so my outlet is creation. If my outlet was drinking, if my outlet was drugs, if my outlet was these other things, I wouldn't have been able to produce, but I don't, so my outlet's got to be what, what is it? Production, let's create something amazing. And I think too many people let themselves off the hook and just, oh, I can create or maybe watch TV, or I'm going to go eat, or I'm going to go... if your outlet is something that sedates you, that's taking you out of your creative zone, I think most people slip back because it's easier, it's cheaper, it doesn't cause the pain. Garrett White's whole mission, Wake-Up Warriors, waking men up from that sedated state that most of our society are stuck into. That’s why I relate to him so well, because I see it in people I love, that I care about, like, you're sedated, if we could break you out of that and get you into production, you could change the world. Josh: Yeah, I think it's interesting. So, I have a coach who I think did that for me... I mean, I don't use Garrett White, which... that's an intense man, oh my word. Garrett, if you're listening, I would love to talk to you. Come on the show. I've always plugged him. Hey, if I'm ever going to get a guest... Elon Musk, if you're listening. Anyway. But I have a coach, Katie Richardson. You know Katie. Katie is... outside of my immediate family, and Leah, obviously, top three people that changed my life, Katie Richardson and Russell Brunson are two of those people that are in that top thing, right? So Katie is someone that I work with one-on-one. I don't think I was ever sedated in the sense of what you're talking about, but the opposite of sedation is being alive. Really, truly, coming alive, understanding who you are, what you are put on this earth here to do. And so the thing that I struggled with for the longest time, even from the beginning days of this entrepreneur, is right and wrong. I didn't want to do the wrong thing. I didn't want to tick anybody off, because that would be bad. Like, oh, man, you don't want to get into a fight, because that's bad. I don't want to make too much money because that might be bad. Or I don't want to say the wrong thing because it might be bad. So I lived in this black and white, is it right or is it wrong. Katie came along, and she's like, "Josh, there is no right and wrong." There is in the sense of moral right and wrong... I'm not going to go into that concept, but... universal truth, I do believe there's absolute truth. But in the sense of our everyday life, it's not so much is it the right thing or the wrong thing, it's what are you going to choose to do. But you can only know what you're going to choose if you're alive, if you know who you are, and you know what you're put on this earth to do. And that's why... it's funny, you might... I think you may know this sorry. So my brother dies, helicopter crash, beginning of 2019, kind of wrecked my whole life, ending up selling the company, sold the business to an investor, business partner took over, and Leah and I took off on our own. And it's supposed to be this four-month long trip where I was going to disconnect and figure out life and everything like that. And Christmas time, it's about a week before Christmas, and we're in the Philippines, in the middle of absolutely freaking nowhere. The nearest airport, hospital, anything, is six hours away. Absolute middle of nowhere. And Leah gets an intestinal eating parasite. She gets super, super sick. Can't sit up, can't keep food down. I'm like, oh my gosh, we're in the Philippines, middle of nowhere. So we go to the emergency room, and we get there and it's a cart... it's like a piece of plywood with two-inch foam, and there's no doors on the bathroom, no toilet seat, there's ants crawling... it's terrible, right? And so long story short, we end up having to cut our trip two months early, we lose tens of thousands of dollars in deposits getting her home or whatever. And I have no business at this point. We're supposed to be going for two months longer. I was supposed to fly home... I was supposed to come to Funnel Hacking Live, that was going to be our coming home. And I find myself in the basement of my girlfriend's mom's house, the night before Christmas, going like, "What am I doing with my life? How did I end up here?" I go through the process like, okay, I need a coach. And I go through and I interview a bunch of different coaches and I end up choosing Katie. And I'm like, "All right, Katie, you're going to solve all my business problems for me. You're going to help me make all this money, you're going to help me build this million-dollar business," and everything like that. And so the very, very first call, I'll never forget, the very first question, she's like, "All right. Vent. I know you need to." Just brain dump, vent for 20, 30 minutes straight. I'm like, "What's the answer?" And she goes, "Josh, who are you?" I was like, "Really? That's where we're going to start this whole conversation?" I just paid you 60 grand? And looking back now, that... and I do have a full circle with this. Looking back now, figuring out who I was gave me my permission to go do what I was called to do, without the fear of what anybody else thought. And I'm not trying to intentionally piss anybody off. I don't want people to actually hate me. But I'm so certain in what I'm doing and knowing who I am, that I know I'm a contributor to society. I know that I make the world better with what I do because I believe that everybody, deep down inside, God has given talents. And I believe that the thing that, whatever it is that you're good at, that you like to do or whatever, that's the talent that God gave you, and you have a choice on how you're going to go out and use that, and I believe that we should use that to serve Him. The problem is, is that I don't think... I think an overwhelming majority of the world has no idea who they are or what they're called to be. And because of that, the people like you or Elon or whoever, the producers of society, that know who they are, what their talents are, what they're called to do, things like that... you've seen my growth. You've watched me transition from this crazy little kid to this... that came by learning who I was and how I was contributing in the world and doing what I was called here and what I was put here for. So when you talk about sedation, I feel like that's the issue of, you're sedated, and so they don't even know who they are. They don't even know how to tap into it, they don't know how to understand it. Because of that, they look at someone like you, they look at someone like me, and they go, "Well, you're preventing me. You're taking away my ability to go do something, because you're taking all the money. You're taking all the opportunity. You have a category and the king of the market, so I can't go and do it then." To those people, this concept of, because you're successful I can't be successful, what is your response there? How do you interpret that? Russell: Yeah. Josh: How do you help someone shift and be like, just because I did it doesn't mean you can't. Russell: Yeah. It's interesting because... it's funny because for me it's such a foreign thing to understand that. I see that so many times entrepreneurs where, it's that mentality of there's not enough money, not enough opportunities or resources, whatever. You know this, I know this, and the bigger problem I have is there are so many opportunities, every single day... it's not that there's not enough opportunities, it's there's so many, it's like, how do you... I think when people start understanding that, look around. Learn some basic skills. The original DotComSecrets book I wrote because I'm like, if anyone took these principles, looked at any business, you could apply it and boom, it just works. It's magic. There's not a business on this... Adam’s Eye Care, I can see right there out the window... I can take DotComSecrets principles and blow that company up overnight. And so if you have these tools, you could do anything, you could sell phones, you could sell watches, you could sell books, you could sell podcasts. I think when people start understanding that, it's just education, they don't understand it. I have friends before who are like, “life's tough right now, there are no opportunities”. And I'm just like, what? There are so many opportunities, but you have to have the skillset that actually... can produce it. I think a big frustration obviously, I have, I think you have as well, is... and we talked about this a little tonight, with my kids... a lot of the things we were equipped with are school... the school system doesn’t equip you to be able to capitalize on opportunities. It doesn't, unless you're like, I want to be a doctor. Cool, this is the process, now you can capitalize on being a doctor or being a dentist, or whatever that traditional path is. To be able to walk in and make it rain somewhere, those skillsets aren't found in school. And you think about in any business, there's a couple personalities. There's the entrepreneur who starts it. Then there's the managers who are managing the people, there's the technicians who are doing the thing, and there's the rainmakers who come in and make money. If you learn that skillset... how do you become a rainmaker? How do you go in, and you can plug in any business, any opportunity, and you can turn it into money? And every door you walk past, there's opportunity. There's infinite, every human you see there's opportunity, right? People have to learn how to take the talent and learn how to market the talent. God gives us all different things. Some people... Kaelin Poulin, God gave her a gift to be able to help women lose weight. But it wasn't until she learned how to market that that it was actually now... now, the opportunity is huge. They’ve got, I don't know, 100 employees at her company, millions of women they've served across the world. Taking your God-given talent, learning how to make it rain, putting those two things together, now, unlimited opportunities. So I think a lot of times, we're given... and that's why I'm so loud about my mission, I try to share so much, because I believe that God's given everyone a calling. Says in the Scriptures, many are called, but few are chosen. Everybody's called. Everybody gets a calling. Everybody gets that tap on the shoulder. Everyone gets the opportunity. No matter where you're born, where you're... everyone gets the opportunity, you're called. Most people don't do it, or they don't know how to do it, because they have this talent, this hobby, this thing... and then what happens? They sedate, they hide, or they search. And if you search, you find the answer, and it's like, oh my gosh, now I can make this change the world. Josh: But do you think everybody has that talent though? Obviously, there's only one Russell Brunson. But I have discussions with my mom a lot. I have a great relationship with my mom. My mom always tells me, she's like, "Josh, not everybody's you. Not everybody thinks like you. Not everybody has to drive like you. Not everybody has the confidence like you. Not everybody has the..." and I'm like, you don't have to. You can do the same things, just in your own way. Russell: And everyone's got a different view of success, too. Josh: Right. Russell: One of my first mentors taught me that... when I launched my first mastermind group, he pulled me aside and he's like, "Your mastermind group's going to fail if you try to put your version of success on all those people." And I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like... it was funny, because he was in the room and he's like... I can't say names because some of you may know someone. He's like, "you see that guy, you know why he’s in the room?" I'm like, "Why?" He's like, "He wants to hear himself talk. That's why he's here. And if I try to force him to do something, he's not going to do it. That guy right there? He's here because he wants to hang out with the group and network people. You? You're here because you want to steal everybody's ideas, right?" He's like, "If you try to launch a mastermind, your goal is to build a $100 million company, you try to put that, your values on the people, you're going to make them all fail." And that was a big a-ha for me, everyone's got a different vision of success. Maybe your brother, someone, your sister... family member, may not think like you or be like you, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean they have to change a million people's lives to change the world. It could be they're a mom, and they can be the best mom in the world and they change their kid's life, that's a calling. Josh: And that's what I want you to touch on. I want you to expand upon that. Because I feel like... man, I hear so many arguments, I'm trying to figure out which one fits best here. But, "Josh, we need the plumbers of the world." Russell: Yeah. Josh: Right? We need the people who will come in vacuum the carpet. We need the people that'll just do the mediocre tasks and that are not important, and that'll do those in and out and in and out and in and out. And, yeah, that. Because I feel like... how do I say this. I believe that a majority of the people in this world are not living up to their true potential. A massive... overwhelming majority are not- Russell: I don't think anyone is, to be honest. I don't think I am. Josh: Right. Russell: Yes, so, yes, 100%. Josh: But, you're living far more potential like the average person is, right? And how I look at is, I go, hey, listen, not everybody can do what you do or what I do, or whatever. Okay... how do I bring it around so it’s more… clear? I’m going to use a political aspect of things, because I think that's something we can all understand. Hey, poor people, victim mentality people... that's a controversial... you know what I'm saying. But victim mentality people, or poor people, they don't think like that, or maybe they didn't have as good a schooling, or maybe they didn't have as good an education, whatever. They don't have the same understanding that you do. So shouldn't we help them see that they can go and achieve more? Or should they... is their version of success... what am I trying to ask? Russell: The answer's yes, we should be, and that's what we're doing. I heard some of the... before, they're like, "Well, Russell, you have a $50,000 or $100,000 mastermind group, I can't afford that, that's not fair." I'm like, "Yeah, but I also do a podcast two to three times a week, every single week for six years. I've written three books you can get for 10 bucks, or you can get them for free." There's levels of it. The thing is there's value everywhere and if you pick it up, it increases... and you actually apply it? I'm a big believer that God gives all of us stewardship over things. He'll give you an idea, he'll give me an idea, he'll give anybody an idea, or desire. Here's some desire for you. You look at these kids who are struggling, but they get desire to play basketball and then they become Michael Jordan, or whoever... the people, right, because God gives them desire, or give them ideas, or talents. I'm a big believer in my business life, as I've been doing this journey now for 18 plus years, is that I got ideas, and a lot of the ideas I didn't do anything with. But some of them I took, I got the idea, and I'm not naïve to think, oh, I came up with this great idea. These are blessings from God, he's like, here's an idea, let's see if you're going to be a good steward with it. I get the idea, and if I do something with it, He's like, "Oh my gosh, Russell's a good steward of ideas, let me give him another idea." And if I don't do something with it, He's like, "All right, let me give it to somebody else." All the stuff is happening that would've happened without... somebody would've taken it. But I was a good steward of the thing and so I got blessed with another one and another one and another one. And I think that's a big part of it. I don't think that God... I do think that He puts us all on different spots to start with- Josh: Okay, that's a fascinating concept. Russell: 100%. He's giving us ideas or desires, things like that, and He's watching, are you going to be a good steward with it? If you are, I'll give you more, if you are, I'm going to give you more. So people can go from the worst of the worst and become the best in the world, people can start the best in the world and be horrible. Because what do you do with the things you're given stewardship over? Josh: So, what you're saying here, which is actually a fascinating concept, is that... I'm going to use the idea for ClickFunnels for example. The idea for ClickFunnels wasn't yours, per se. Russell: Do you know how many people were trying to build a funnel software when we built ClickFunnels? Josh: I'm sure a lot. Russell: All my friends were. Everybody was. Josh: So you have this idea that is essentially open for anybody... anybody could go and take advantage of this idea, you just... you're saying God put this idea in your head... and he probably put this idea in 100 peoples' heads, or 500... 10,000 peoples' heads or whatever. But you're like, I was the one who answered the calling to be, okay, I'm actually going to take this idea and do something with it. And so because of that, it's not that you took it away from anybody else... anybody could've done it, you're just the one who went out and actually just chose to do it and bring it to reality. Russell: Yup. 100%. Josh: Okay. Russell: There's a... I wish... somebody shared it to me and I haven't read the book. There's a book that tells a story... there's an author who had an idea for a book, sat down and started writing it, and someone's going to know it... it's a famous book, people would know this, I guarantee someone on this chat knows this. Josh: Somebody comment below when you here it, what it is. Russell: The author's writing the book, and then stops, runs out of time, forgets about it. And then six years later, this new book comes out, becomes a New York Times bestselling book, buys the book, starts reading, and is like, "This is the book that I was supposed to write." And it was like, oh my gosh, I didn't take stewardship of the idea, I stopped, and so God gave it to somebody else. It's the same book, right, it's just I didn't finish it. And I 100% believe that. I think it could be an idea, it could be desire, it could be a million things, we all have these different gifts of the spirit, that are given to us, and they sit back and watch and see what you're going to do with it. Josh: I feel like that could give a lot of people permission to go out and do stuff, too, right there. That viewpoint. Because one of the things that I struggled with early on, which, to a certain extent, I think I still struggle with a little bit, not nearly what I used to... why me? Not in a bad way of, oh, man, why do I... but why do I get these cool opportunities? I live a pretty good life, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, why do I get to have this conversation and not somebody else? Why am I the first person that gets to sit down with Russell Brunson and talk anything related to politics, ever? But it's like, that concept of simply because I chose to go do it. I chose to be the person that was capable of having this conversation, and became that person. And I think that because of that, what you just said right there, gives... to get people permission, you're not taking away from anybody else, and you're not inherently special. You are in your own way, but you're not... it wasn't... you're not the only person that could've built ClickFunnels. Russell: I'm shockingly average. You ask my wife, ask my parents... Russell is shockingly average. Josh: And you're actually super awkward to meet for the first time. Russell: Yeah. Josh: You know the first time... you remember the first time... I think I actually told you this, the first time I met you? Russell: Remind me. Josh: Okay, the first time I met you was at Grant Cardone’s 10X, the very first one. Russell: Okay. Josh: At the time, Grant had hired our team to do Instagram stuff. And this was super, super early on. I was dead broke. I couldn't afford to go to that conference if I wanted to. But because we were doing Instagram stuff, he gave us tickets. And we saw you get offstage and we're like, "Dude, I bet you if we run right now we can meet Russell." So we run downstairs and sure enough, there you are, coming down. And I walk up to you and I'm like, "Russell, oh my gosh, huge fan." And you're like, "Hey. Thanks." And we're like, oh, okay. We're like, "Can we get a picture?" You're like, "Um, yeah, I guess." So I go and normally when you go and take a picture, you put your arm around him, and things like that. You just literally just stood there. And I was like, I guess we're not doing that. And so there's this picture of me in… Russell: I gotta see this picture. Josh: I'll find it. I'll vox it to you. We're sitting there, I'm like... so, guys, Russell is- Russell: Is shockingly average. Josh: Is shockingly average, apparently. But back to the conversation, I remember what I was trying to ask. That was the very first time I met you. I was like, oh, man, I can be a millionaire, too. Russell: Before... I just want to... when I got started, this whole business, it was me and then I hired two of my buddies to come work for me, because they were the only people who cared what I was talking about. Josh: Yeah. Russell: And we're all working on this business, and I remember one of my buddies pulled me aside one day, and said, "The only difference between us two and you?" I said, "No." He said, "The only difference is you're in momentum, you're moving forward, so these opportunities keep coming to you because you're moving, moving, moving, moving." He's like, "We're sitting back here doing the thing, there's no opportunities coming to us because we're not moving." I think what you need to understand is when you're moving in forward, people are like, "Oh, you're lucky you came up with ClickFunnels." I'm like, "Do you know how many funnels I launched before ClickFunnels?" Over a 150. This is not 150 ads that are “create funnel in ClickFunnels, oh, that's a funnel”. It was me coming up with an idea, hiring a designer, writing a sales letter, putting the product together, putting the pages in FrontPage, uploading them through FTP, getting a shopping cart, connecting them 150 times. It took us three months on average through each one. 150 times before we came up with ClickFunnels. I was just moving forward, over and over and over and over and over while everyone else was sitting around waiting. Motion is the key. Josh: Yeah. Russell: The opportunities come. This is what I'm talking about with being a good steward. God gave me an idea for ZipBrander. Do you remember ZipBrander? No one does. That was the first idea and I was like, oh my gosh, ZipBrander. I found a guy in Romania, I paid him 20 bucks to build the software. I created, I got a thing... a header designed and a headline and a thing and I launched it, and I made 400 bucks. And then the next idea was this thing called Article Spider, do you remember the Article Spider? Josh: No. Russell: No one does. I paid someone a couple hundred bucks, I did that, I launched, I made 1700 bucks, and I was like, oh my gosh... Four Hundred Fortunes was number three. And then the next, and the next, and I could show you guys, I did this, I wrote them all... I went back in the Way Back Machine, I found all of them. Thing after thing after thing after thing. Idea after idea. The ideas pop in there, I execute on them, try and try, each one got better and better and better and better, and eventually, God's like, "All right, you're capable, you're a good steward, here's ClickFunnels, let's go with it." If you were to give me that initially, I wouldn't know what to do. It's the momentum, it's the motion that makes you worthy of the calling. And if you're not in momentum, if you're not moving forward, you're never going to get the calling. Many are called, but few are chosen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the first episode in a special 5 part series. Over the course of these next 5 episodes, you’ll get to hear an interview between Russell Brunson and Josh Forti about the book “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand. But this interview is much more than just them talking about the book, they are actually discussing business, religion, and politics (a subject Russell doesn’t talk about often) as they pertain to the concepts in the book. In this first section, you’ll get to hear the introduction and the basis for how the entire conversation will flow. The first main topic of the book, and the main concept for this episode is greed. Is it bad? Can it be good? Are we born with it? Can we change? So listen in to part one of this unique interview and start reading “Atlas Shrugged” (just read it, the movies aren’t great), so you can be ready for part 2! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. And right now, I have a treat for you. Over the next five episodes, I'm going to be taking you in behind the scenes of an interview that I did with Josh Forti about the book, Atlas Shrugged. And some of you guys have read Atlas Shrugged, some of you haven't. Some of you know the premise, some of you don't. And I want to preface this by saying I do not believe in everything taught in the Atlas Shrugged book. I love a lot of it. It talks about producers versus consumers, the looters and the takers versus those in society who are the creators. Right? And there's a lot of things I strongly align with. There's also things that I don't strongly align with. And so I love the book, one of my favorites I've ever read. And so that's the first thing. Number two is, as I finished the book, I remember Josh Forti, who's one of our funnel hackers, he wanted to do the interview with me and I was just like, "I don't have time for interviews." And we're getting closer and closer to the election, we talked on Facebook. We were posting some comments and I was like, "You know what? The interview that I would actually love to do would be about Atlas Shrugged, looking at the whole political thing as it's happening right now and the elections and everything, through the lens of Atlas Shrugged. That'd actually be fascinating for me," because I don't typically, as you know, talk about politics. Right? I do talk about religion, but I don't talk about politics. That's not something I typically go into, but I thought it'd be interesting to look at politics from the lens of Atlas Shrugged. And so in this interview series, it's a lot of fun. We talk about producers versus consumers. We talk about the left and the right. We talk about some political things. Now Josh, just so you know ahead of time, he's very pro-Trump, very much on that side of the discussions during this interview. And this interview, just so you know, took place before the elections. As of right now, I'm still not sure who won. You guys probably will know by the time you're listening to this, but as of when I'm recording this, we don't know, but he definitely leans on the Trump side. I don't really share much of my political beliefs, but you'll get kind of what I believe and why I believe it through the lens of Atlas Shrugged over this interview series. So I hope you enjoy it. It was a lot of fun to do, a lot of great feedback and comments. And again, we talk about stuff I don't typically talk about ever. So this may be a one-time shot to hear inside my mind when it comes to politics, religion, and all through the lens of Atlas Shrugged, the book. So with that said, I want to introduce you guys to the first part of this five-part interview series with me and Josh Forti, talking about Atlas Shrugged. Russell Brunson: Are we live? Josh Forti: We are live. Russell: What's up, everybody? Josh: Oh, my word, with the incredibly ... I don't know if long-waited. It hasn't really been that long. Two months ago. So much expected podcast with Mr. Russell Brunson, himself. How are you doing, dude? Russell: I'm doing amazing, man. Thanks for flying all the way to Boise just for this conversation. Josh: Yeah, absolutely. Dude, this is probably the conversation I'm looking forward to most, certainly in my life thus far, when it comes to business and philosophy and everything like that. Russell: No pressure at all. Josh: Well, it's funny. Your wife said, "Oh, thanks so much for coming out." I was like, "Yeah, it's certainly ... Yeah, because it's inconvenience to me to fly all the way out here." I will say, this is my first ever in-person interview like this. Russell: Oh, really? Josh: Yeah. Russell: We got the microphones set up. Josh: I know. We have- Russell: He’s a professional. I've never done this before. Josh: Literally, we have a soundboard down here. We've got Russell's mic. Can you guys hear us all right? By the way, guys, for all of you listening on audio, we apologize because we're going to answer some comments in the Facebook feed here because we've got everybody down here. By the way, you can see all the comments down here. Russell: What's up, everyone? Josh: All right, guys. If you are live, comment down below. Let us know where you're tuning in from. Let us know if you know Russell or if you know me or if you know both of us or what you're most looking forward to. And Russell, I'm going to be honest with you. We're just going to be super chill. Guys, we have a live audience back here. We've got Dave. Dave's over there. We've got Jake and Nick. Russell: What's up, Dave? Josh: Where'd Jake go? Russell: Jake's working. Josh: Oh, there we go. Jake's working late over there. Russell: Jake, by the way, designed these amazing shirts for this- Josh: Yeah, check us out. Russell: This is my Rearden Steel shirt. This is my Who Is John Galt shirt. Josh: Isn't this great? Okay, but I feel like the back- Russell: Yeah the back I’ll read what it says. It says, "I started my life with a single absolute, that the world was mine to shape and the image of my highest values never to be given to a lesser standard, no matter how long or hard the struggle." So do you guys like these shirts? These are custom made for tonight. And you guys may have a chance to get one of these, but not yet. No, not yet. Josh: Not yet. Russell: We'll let you know when the ability ... If you guys ... Josh: Oh, man. Oh, man. Russell: Anyway, it's going to be fun, but these are custom ... We literally made these today. We needed some sweet shirts…for the show. Josh: Okay, Will says he got your text. Did you send my text to everybody? Russell: Yeah. Josh: Russell on top of it. I sent out a ManyChat, Russell sent out a text. All right, guys. Let's lay some ground rules here. So the quick backstory behind this ... And it's going to be weird. You've got to look in the camera here. Quick backstory behind this is I make a post on Facebook about, what, probably three months ago now or so? Russell: Yeah. Josh: Two, three months ago. And I go, "We need some epic people to interview for the podcast. Who do you know? Tag them all down below." And shout out, Georgie. Georgie comments and goes… "I coached Russell. You should totally interview me." And I was like, "You've got to be pretty gutsy to tag Russell in your comment and tell him you coached him," but then Russell comments back- Russell: And George is an Olympic wrestler. He was on the Bulgarian Olympic team. He wrestled at Boise State with me. He's the man. So yeah. Josh: I commented back. I go, "You coached Russel?" And then Russell goes, "Well, yeah. He coached me. He's awesome. You should totally interview him." And so I said, "Yeah, Georgie, of course, you can come on. We'll do an interview, but Russell, I've got an open invitation to you if you want to come back on." And then you were like, "Sure, if we can talk about…" or no, you didn't say sure. You said, "Can we do it about Atlas Shrugged?" Russell: Yes. Josh: Yeah. Russell: Because I interview a lot about business stuff and- Josh: I'll pull the microphone just slightly. Russell: Yes. I don't do a lot of interviews because ... I feel like I've said, but I don't want to say, but I just finished literally probably the fattest book in the history of books called Atlas Shrugged. And I was geeking out on it and I wanted to talk about it. I didn't have a way or someone to geek out with, other than some of my friends here. And I was like, "If you want to talk about Atlas Shrugged, I'm in." And then you started freaking out. Josh: The funny thing was is I go something to the effect of, "You want to talk about the fall of capitalism because of a boycott, because of a brilliant person and why socialism sucks? Yes, absolutely. I would love to do that," to which you don't give me a yes or no answer. You reply back and go, "Ha-ha. Oh, man. That'd be fun." I'm like, "Talk about an open loop, man. Come on." So anyway, I immediately messaged Russel and I'm like, "You better not be joking because that would just be rude." He goes, "No, I'm totally in." Josh: So about two months go by. You had a bunch of stuff. You had some fun stuff during that time, hanging out with- Russell: Lot of stuff is happening. Josh: Tony Robbins? Russell: Yeah, Tony, man. And it's been chaos the last couple months, not going to lie. And as we got closer and closer to the election, I'm like, "This is an interesting conversation, post-election, but I think it's more interesting before election." And so was it two days ago, three days ago, you're like, "I will fly to Boise to record this." Josh: Yeah. Russell: "What day do you have open?" I'm like, "Only Wednesday night." And now we're here. Josh: Yeah. It was Friday afternoon. We were Voxing back and forth and you're like, "Dude, we've got to get this done before the election." I'm like, "Before the election? Oh, my word." I said, "All right. Sounds good. What time do you have available?" And that's when I was like, "You know what? I was going to ask you creatively, but I'm just going to ask you. How about I fly out to you?" And you're like, "Heck, yeah." Josh: So guys, that's the backstory. That's how we got here. And so this is an open conversation about Atlas Shrugged and kind of everything that encapsulates. I think we'll talk about some religion, some politics, kind of both sides of the aisle there and open it up. Russell: Fun. Josh: Anything else you want to add to that? Russell: The only other thing I would add is, because this book, by the way, if you haven't read it yet, is very polarizing. There are people on both sides of it. Russell: And I think both of us wanted to stress ahead of time that I do not believe in everything in this book. A lot of things in this book, I do believe in. And it's interesting. One of the things I want to dive deeper in in this conversation, I'm excited for and I told you not to do Voxer. I was like, what's fascinating to me is not, "This is what we should believe." What was fascinating to me as I was reading this book, and we'll get into the premise of the book for those who haven't read it, but the big thing is producers and going out there and creating stuff and doing things, which is what entrepreneurs do. Right? And it gets in the part of greed is good. You should be greedy because it's going to create all these amazing things, which then the byproduct's really good. Russell: And part of me is like, "Yes, yes, yes, yes," and then part of me, as a believing Christian, I hear this message I believe in and then I hear in my mind ringing Christ, talking faith, hope, charity, and love. And I feel like they're these two polar opposite things, which by the way, we dive into politics a little bit. There are two polar opposite sides, one that believes one, one believes the other. Russell: And I think that there's a happy medium and that's what I want to dive deep into just because I don't want anyone thinking, "Oh, Russell and Josh just believe this," or whatever. It's like, no, there's sides of this and I empathize on both sides. I want to talk about both of them because they're fascinating. Anyway, I've toyed writing a boy about this concept, these two things. Anyway, I think it should be fun to first time verbally ever talk about this stuff. So I'm excited for it. Josh: Yeah. And I would just echo that, as well. I think one of the things that often happens with me, with my ... So funny. You, who never, ever talks about politics and me who doesn't know how to get on Facebook without arguing about politics, colliding here, but is that a lot of times I get grouped into, "Oh, you like this reading. Therefore, you believe with everything." "You read this book," or, "You support this person," whether it's a political figure or a book or something like that. It's like, by saying that you enjoyed that or that you learned a lot from it, that all of a sudden you suddenly believe everything in it. And that is not the case at all. And I've gotten a lot of criticism from people that are like, "How could you possibly like Atlas Shrugged?" And I'm like, "Well, this is the conversation that we're going to have." Josh: So real quick, before we dive in, I'd be curious ... I want to do a poll real quick. How many of you guys have actually read the book? I'm curious to know. Hold up here. There's two different versions of it, but if you've read the book, just comment below the number one if you have read the book, the number two if you have not read the book. I think that will just kind of give us a poll. We've got 200, 300 people. Russell: And if you listened to the audiobook, we'll count that as reading, too, either way. Josh: Yeah. Not if you know the premise of the book, but actually have read the book and have a deep understanding of it, or not deep understanding. But have like… Russell: Understand the stories them in. Josh: Yeah, things like that, because then it'll be interesting. Russell: One is read. Josh: One is read, two is not read. Oh, more ones than I thought was going to. Russell: Yeah. Me too. Josh: Russell's book is so underrated. Russell: We're 50/50. Josh: Ooh, yeah. I think we should take a poll at the end; what's better, Atlas Shrugged or Dotcom Secrets? That's the real question we should be asking right now. Russell: That would be good, that would be good. Josh: Okay. So we have a lot of people that have not read it, so we'll have to go into the premise of that. Okay. Russell: Are you ready to get started? Josh: Yeah. I'm ready to rock and roll with it. Russell: Oh I’m ready. Josh: Okay. Guys, we want to lay a couple ground rules. Okay? Because I don't know what it's like to be Russell, Russell doesn't know what it's like to be me, but I think we both have a mutual understanding that we could very easily be taken out of context here. Josh: I think the goal, and then I want you to kind of expand upon this, is we're not trying to take a side here. We're trying to have an open discussion about it. This could very easily turn into something that's like, "Why did you vote for Trump? Why Biden sucks, why Biden's great, why Trump sucks," something like that or certain religion. We're not trying to convince you of anything, really. In fact, this is honestly more of a conversation for us. And we're like, "We think it'd be cool to stream it out to a bunch of people because there's a reason for me to fly out here and do that," but the purpose of this is to have an open discussion about the book, the premise of the book, an understanding of it, and then honestly we're probably going to be in our own little world over here. Josh: And we want you guys to interact and comment and engage and push your questions. And we'll go back through it, obviously, but the purpose of this is not to try to convince anybody of anything. It's simple to, at least from my perspective, shed a new perspective and give the perspective of somebody who, for those of you that don't know who Russell is, the founder of a ... ClickFunnels is a billion-dollar company, SaaS company. You have 400 employees? Russell: Yeah. Josh: 400 employees. So from that perspective and from my perspective, to open your eyes to a new perspective of what we like, what we don't like and, like I said, more of a conversation for us. Russell: Yeah. I think that's good. And I think a big thing that we will talk about ... Our goal is not to convince you of anything. In fact, I think I'm still convincing myself of both sides. I believe both these two things that seem contradictory, but I think there's a middle ground and I'm excited to explore it. So it'll be fun. Josh: Cool. So I think we got to- Russell: Talk about the premise of the book? Josh: Yeah, we've got to talk about the premise of the book. Russell: I might have a little mini statue behind me that might help. Can I grab that? Josh: Ooh, yeah. Russell: Okay. So folks that have not read Atlas Shrugged, I didn't know what the premise was at first, but this is the story of Atlas. Some of you guys know Atlas was cursed to have to carry the entire weight of the universe, entire weight of the world upon his shoulders for forever. Right? And so this is where the premise of the book ... All of us, people who are listening to this might guess that you are a producer. Right? Otherwise, you probably wouldn't be listening to me or to Josh. I attract, I teach, I coach, I help producers, entrepreneurs, people who are trying to change the world. Right? Russell: I'm curious, how many of you guys have ever felt this pressure. Right? When you feel like you literally have the entire weight of the world upon your shoulders. And if you haven't, it's time to become a producer. That's first off. Second off, I can empathize, though. There's so many times, you can ask Dave or any guys on my team, there's days I come in, I was like, "I feel like I'm going to crack." There is so much weight to carry this around. And I'm guessing most of you guys have felt that. It could be with your family, could be in work, could be business, whatever, but you've felt the weight of the world. Right? Russell: So this is what Atlas had to hold. Right? And so the premise of the book, Atlas Shrugged, is what would happen if the producers, the people that are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders, what happens if they were to go on strike and they were to shrug their shoulders and be like, "Meh." In fact, should I read your tile you gave me here? Josh: Yeah. Russell: So Josh, as a gift today, gave me some amazing tiles. This is a quote, actually, from the book, Atlas Shrugged, talking about this. It says, "If you saw Atlas, the giant holds the world on his shoulders. If you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling, but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater of his efforts, the heavier the world bore down on his shoulders, what would you tell him to do? Just shrug." That's things like, what happens to society when us, the producers, when we no longer want to carry the weight of the world? We shrug and we walk away from it. Russell: And the book is a story about that. What happens when these producers start disappearing and they start leaving, they start going on strike? You see society, what happens when the producers disappear. Josh: Yeah. It's interesting because there is no one named Atlas Shrugged in the book and there's nobody named Ayn Rand in the book. And so there's concepts that she's writing about outside of that and it's this ... How do you summarize a 1200-page book? Basically, in the book, there is a main character by the name of Dagny. Russell: Oh. Yes. Josh: Oh. Russell: I was going to say John Galt, but you're right. Yes, Dagny’s the main character. Josh: Sorry. For the first two thirds of the book, the main character is a woman by the name of Dagny. And basically, she is one of the producers of society. And she's not the head boss of the railroad, but she's basically the person that runs this railroad company. And it is written, what, 1950 is when this was- Russell: Yeah. Josh: So 1950, and it's basically this forecast into the future of a government that is basically forcing super, super strict restrictions onto private businesses and making them do things, kind of like today in America, but super, super government overreach in a lot of ways. And so Dagny is trying to keep the world afloat, more or less, by getting the railroads done on time and getting orders shipped. Josh: And I'm super oversimplifying, but around her, all the people that she works with that owned all these other companies that she would buy copper from or she would buy steel from or buy the railroad track from or buy the coal from, all of a sudden all these head people ... Imagine people like Russell, all his friends just start disappearing. Imagine Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and Russell all just started disappearing. Right? That's what's happening all around her and she doesn't understand what's happening to them because just, one day, it's up and it's gone. Josh: And so the premise of the first two thirds of the book is showing this story of this producer who is living in this world of super government tyranny, overreach that's super, super controlling and she's watching all of her friends disappear and she doesn't know why. Would you say that's a pretty good explanation of it so far? Russell: Yeah. And every time they disappear, they leave behind a note or something that says, "Who is John Galt?" That's this theme throughout the book, is who is John Galt? Who is this John Galt person that makes all the producers disappear? Josh: And Dagny has no idea who John Galt is. Right? She doesn't even know, actually, for awhile that John Galt's actually even a real person. And so once she does find out that John Galt is probably a real person, John Galt becomes her sworn enemy because she doesn't know who he is or what he's doing. All she knows and all she associates with is that John Galt is taking away all these producers of society and is making her life harder because ... Imagine you being an entrepreneur and all of your entrepreneur friends that you buy stuff from and that you send all your people to, your referrals and everything, you buy all your supplies from, imagine they're all just disappearing and you think it's because of this one guy who's taking them all away and you don't know what's happening to them. Obviously, they'd become your sworn enemy. Josh: So for the first two thirds-ish of the book, that's kind of this premise of they're painting this really, really vivid story of the ... what are they called, the great thinkers of society? Yeah, the great minds of society, basically disappearing. And Dagny and ... there's a guy by the name of Hank Rearden, I think. Russell: Yeah, Rearden Steel. Josh: Rearden Steel, yeah. So Dagny and Hank Rearden are the two major ones left right before the big plot twist happens and you're like, "Oh," and then you get introduced to John Galt. I'm going to let you explain John Galt now. Russell: Oh, man. Okay. So that's the first two thirds of the book. By the way, there's movies. Don't watch them. They'll ruin the book. The movies were really bad. Josh: Yeah. Read the book. Russell: So two thirds into the book, she starts trying to figure out this mystery of who's John Galt. She ends up finding him and turns out that he has been going around and getting all these producers to go on strike, convinces them to, "Look, it's not worth fighting for anymore. All your incentives are gone. Let's leave. Let's go on strike," and they leave. And John Galt's trying to get her to leave and she's like, "I can't. I have to do everything in my power." The last third of the book is her leaving John Galt's presence and going back and trying to figure out how to do this thing as she's watching just government regulations getting harder, and harder, and harder, and harder to the point where everyone just has to disappear. Russell: But one of the things John Galt and the people say, "When the lights of New York go out, then we'll come back and we'll rebuild society from the ground up, after the looters and the people are gone." Josh: And that's basically how the books ends is lights of New York go out and then- Russell: For such a long book, all of a sudden it just ends and you're like, "Oh, I need one more chapter. Come on. Just end it." Josh: And we're never going to get it. Ah. Russell: Well, maybe I'll write it. Josh: Yeah. So that's the storyline of the book, but what I think we really both want to focus here is kind of the premises and the overarching ideas that the book presents, and capitalism versus socialism, and I think we'll talk religion and politics and kind of everything that’s in that, but I kind of want to, if it's all right with you, I kind of want to turn the conversation more towards us now and just kind of start geeking out just about that. Josh: So guys, we'll obviously go back and ... By the way, we want all your comments if you're ... Actually, comment below right now. Where are you watching? Are you watching it on YouTube? Are you watching it on Think Different Theory page or are you watching it on Russell's page? Comment down below because we went to multiple different locations. So we have a bunch of different people tuning in for everything. So just comment down below. Leave your comments, leave your questions, smash the like button, love button, share this out, and we're going to be here. Josh: All right, Russell. What's up? Russell: Hey, man. Josh: All right. Dude, I've been wanting to, and I hate this terminology, but just pick somebody's brain like yours for the longest time. And this book, oh, my gosh. So what do you like about the book? What was your favorite thing? Russell: Yeah. Well, let me tell the backstory. So 2008 is when the market crashed last time, right? Josh: Yeah. Russell: And I didn't realize that, that year, over 500,000 copies were sold organically by people talking to me about it, talking about, "Everything's she's prophesying is happening right now." And so, back then, I remember all my entrepreneur friends, like, "You have to read this book." It was the word-of-mouth buzz that sold 500,000 copies of a book has been ... The author died, whatever, 30 years earlier. There's not active marketing out there. It's crazy. And everyone's talking about it, like, "What's happening in this book is happening in 2008." And it was just this prophecy that was being fulfilled. Russell: And so everyone in 2008 was telling me to read this book. I remember buying it and I was like, "This is a really, really big book." And it took me awhile to get into it and I could never get into it. I read the first, I don't know, first 200 or 300 pages four or five times. And then, finally, this summer, one of my very first trips where I didn't bring a laptop since my marriage. So my wife is very proud of me. Josh: Dang. Russell: And so as I was leaving the office, I grabbed this book. And I picked it up and I was like, "I have no computer, but I've got this." And usually, I bring 20 books just because I know I'm going to read. I just brought one and I was like, "I'm going to do this. I'm going to be forced. I'm on a lake for a week and a half with my kids and all I can do is read this book." So I brought it, got the audiobook, as well. It's funny, I do the same. I listen to the audiobook and I read along so I can listen to it way faster, that way. And I started going through it. It took me a little while. She does such a good job of character development at the very beginning, it took awhile to get into it. Josh: Yeah, for sure. Russell: And then the story hits and then you're just like ... And you couldn't- Josh: It's like thing, after thing, after thing. It's so quick. Russell: Oh, yeah. And it got crazy. So for me, it was interesting because I think, if I would've listened to it 10 years ago or read it 10 years ago, I had never experienced any of the things they talk about in this book. Right? Josh: Now you don't have to worry about it. Yeah. Russell: Even better. I never experienced government regulations and things like that or just those kind of things. And as ClickFunnels has grown from me and Todd to our first member, to our first thousand, 10,000, 100,000 members, 400 ... I don't know how many employees, a lot, 400 plus employees. As it's grown, it's been crazy because you would think all we'd be focusing on here inside ClickFunnels is the next feature in the app, next thing. Russell: And there's the year where we had to spend an entire year just refactoring the software for GDPR compliance. We have regulations that come in on taxes and this. It's constant where most of the battles we fight at ClickFunnels right now is not about, how do we make this thing better for the customer? It's, how do we protect our customers from the government? It's crazy. And just so many regulations and things. Russell: And so I have been feeling this pressure. Some of you guys may have seen my interview I did with Tony Robbins ... not interview, but Tony Robbins did an intervention with me last year in Fiji. Josh: Yeah. That was fascinating, by the way. Russell: I'm so glad we captured that. It was a really cool moment in my life, but if you listen in there, I talked about ... He's like, "Well, what do you want to do?" And I was like, "I don't know, but the pressure ... I love the same, so I love everything I'm doing. I love the people we're serving, but there's these other pressures that aren't the game, that aren't the people, that they just get so heavy sometimes where it makes me want to just walk away." And again, as I'm reading this book- Josh: You hadn't read the book at the time. Russell: I hadn't read it yet. Josh: Yeah, okay. Russell: As I'm reading this, it's like- Josh: Did you know anything about the- Russell: I did not know the premise, no. Josh: You knew nothing. Okay, okay, okay. Russell: I didn't know what Atlas Shrugged meant. I was just like, "Oh, it's Atlas ..." I didn't know ... And it was like, when I read this title, like, "What would you tell Atlas if this was happening? Just shrug." And I was like, "Oh, that's why they called it Atlas Shrugged." And then I remember vividly feeling the pressure of this calling and how heavy it is. Russell: And there's so many times I wish, like, "Okay, sometimes it'd be so nice to walk away or to shrug or whatever." And so I instantly, with Dagny's character, I was like ... I feel that with Hank Rearden. I had so much empathy and understood their characters because I feel that so many times. Hank Rearden just wanted to invent his steel and put it out. That's all he cared about, right? For me, funnels are my art. I can't draw, but funnels, that's my art and entrepreneurship. That's my art. And so I just want to do my art. That's it. He just wanted to create steel. And it's all these other things and it's just like, "I just want to do my steel. I just want to do my art. Why do I have to deal with all this other stuff?" Russell: And so as I'm reading this, I just had so much empathy for the characters because I felt like I was the characters, even though it was weird because it's railroads and stuff like that and I'm internet, but I think that's why I really got into it. And then I got just curious, what happens? How does this story end? Be I'm in the middle of it. And depending who's listening, you may or may not have felt some of these pressures. As you grow, you feel them. Russell: It's interesting. As ClickFunnels has grown, we've talked about the pressure that I feel today would've crushed me five years ago. Right? And so you have to go through this thing where you build capacity to handle the next set of pressure, and build capacity, and build capacity. And nowadays, stuff happens daily that's just like, "Man, that would've destroyed me five years ago." Russell: And so I think, if you guys haven't felt that, as you grow, as you continue to try to get your message out and try to grow your businesses, whatever, the bigger you get, the more that pressure comes. Josh: Do you think…with that ... And I want to continue that because it's such a good conversation, but with the pressure, the things that are happening now daily that would've wrecked you five years ago or three years ago, whatever it was, do you think it's good, though, that they would've? Is it good that, at the capacity that you understood, that you took those things seriously then or would it have been better for you to just be in this mindset? I know it's not possible, but looking back, if you could snap your fingers and back then would've had the mental capacity to just ignore all those things and go up, would that've been a good thing? Or the fact that you went through all those things, does that help? Russell: The going through it is what makes you worthy of the things, right? Josh: Being able to… Russell: It makes you ready for it. Otherwise, just like lifting weights, if you try to squat 800 pounds, that's what it feels like. Right? Your legs buckle and you die, but because you went through that thing, you're able to have the capacity to hold the weight. Josh: Okay. Russell: Yeah. So anyways, the thing for me that was the big thing is reading this. And so I was just fascinated because I was like, "This is kind of my story. How does it end?" Josh: How long did it take you to get through it? Russell: I'd say about two months. I got a lot of it done on the boat, and then I got into biking for a little while, so I was listening to it while I was biking. Josh: That's right, I remember that. Russell: I just kept biking and biking, like, "One more chapter, one more chapter." I'm in really good shape because of it. It's funny because one of the premises ... And they don't say greed is good, but there's a chapter, I think it's called Greed. And I remember, if you guys have ever seen Wall Street, Gordon Gekko talks about, "Greed is good," and I never understood that premise. Right? In the book, they start talking about that, how greed is what drives this whole thing. Is it called Greed? Josh: I'm trying to find it. Russell: Utopia of Greed, yeah. Josh: And then Anti-Greed. So Utopia of Greed and then Anti-Greed. Russell: So what's interesting is ... because all of us are taught that greed is bad, right? That's just, like, you shouldn't be greedy. That's, I think, a principle that's instilled in most of us, but then I think about, for me, when I started this business, why did I start this business? I wanted to make money. That's greed, right? And you think about any of us, we go through a phase in all of our lives that greed is the driving factor. Right? When I wanted to become a good wrestler, I wanted to become a good wrestler. It was greedy. I went and got coaches and spent all my time and it was a very selfish time in my life. Not that it's bad, but it's a very greedy time. Right? Kids, when they're first born ... I love my kids. They are so ... not in a bad way, but they're greedy. It's about them. Right? Josh: Right. Russell: And it's this growth phase where growth ... You have to be greedy. You're in the growth phase. Right? When you're trying to learn, you're sucking things and you're learning and you're not contributing it. You're just learning, you're growing. And it was interesting because, as I'm going through this, I'm like, the greed is what got me into business. Right? And it's what got these things started and then the byproduct of that is jobs were created and things ... All the byproduct of it is ... I think, in the book, how it justifies it, Hank Rearden going after ... he wanted to build his steel and make a bunch of money, created tens of thousands of jobs and changed the world and changes all these things. Russell: And so the premise of the book is that greed is this driving force that gets you moving. And it is. If you think about any aspect of your life, from sports to education, to business, to everything, it starts with greed. Now, we'll go deeper into this. I don't want everyone to think that I'm just into this for the greed, because there's a transition point. We'll talk about it in a minute, but there's a transition point from growth to contribution that happens, but that's in the book where it starts talking about that. Russell: And I remember I was on the greenbelt here in Boise, riding my bike with James P. Friel, listening to that chapter. And I was trying to think, "Is this true? Did I get started because of greed?" And it's like, yeah, I didn't start a business because I wanted to change the world. Eventually, that happened, but it wasn't like it was ... Greed was the driving force that moved me forward. I think it moves all of us forward such a long time. And as I was listening as I'm riding my bike, I'm like, "Yes, I understand this," and the other half of me was like ... I started thinking about my spiritual upbringing. Right? Josh: Yeah. Russell: I'm very Christian. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints and I started thinking about Christ and his teachings, which are, honestly, the opposite of that. Right? It's like- Josh: Really the polar opposite. Russell: Yeah. Josh: Which it's funny, whenever you say that, people are like, "You know, Jesus was a socialist." I hear that a lot. I'm like, "You need to read the Bible." Anyway, but I think a lot- Russell: But he definitely is way more liberal leaning, 100%. Josh: Right, right. And I think that that's where Republicans, conservative, traditionally on that side of the aisle, fiscally Republicans get into trouble is where we're like, "Yeah, we're Christians, but we also want to get rich," and they never talk about all this other ... People like to use Christianity, I feel like, when it's convenient. Russell: We call it cafeteria Christians. Josh: Right. Russell: They pick and choose the things off the menu they want. Josh: Right. And then they go through and do it. So I definitely want to dive further into that, but continue that. Russell: Yeah. So that started this question in my head, though, of just, so is greed bad then or is it good or where does it fit in the whole grand scheme of things? Because it is something that's instilled in all of us from birth. Right? When you're born, you're a baby, if you didn't have greed, you would just die. Right? It's me. I need food, I need love, I need shelter. It makes you cry, which creates people coming to you. Greed is a driving force that's instilled in humans from birth, right? When we come here, greed is what helps us survive the first part of our life. Russell: And first, I was having this conundrum. I'm just like, "God, is this book evil? I don't know what to do with myself." Right? But all good things in my life that happened happened initially because the seed of greed started me on motion, started me in momentum. And then I started thinking, if you've read the Expert Secrets book, which- Josh: If you haven't, come on. Russell: If you haven't, you must hate money. Come on. No, but in the beginning of Expert Secrets book, I talk about this concept, as well, where as an expert, there's two phases to go through. The first is a growth phase. Right? I want to be an expert in whatever. You go through and you're a consumer, consuming everything. And that's greed, right? And then there's this transition point where, eventually, you keep trying to grow, grow, grow, grow, trying to learn everything, going there. I'm listening to all the podcasts, I'm reading all the books, I'm growing, growing, growing. And eventually, there's this point. I remember feeling it in multiple parts of my life. In wrestling, I felt it. In business, I felt it where you can't continue ... The ability to grow through consumption slows to almost a halt where you can't continue to grow. Right? Russell: I've shared this story. I think I shared it in the book with wrestling. I was a really good wrestler. I was a high school state champ. I took second place in the nation. I was an All-American. And my senior year, I got invited to go to a wrestling camp. My coach was like, "Hey, do you want to come coach wrestling this summer?" And I was like, "Why would I do that? What's in it for me?" Josh: Before you go on here, I want to ask you something. So you're riding your bike, wrestling with this whole greed thing. Is this the first time that you've thought about greed in this way? Russell: 100%. Josh: And this is, what, six months ago? Russell: Not even that. Maybe four months ago. Josh: So you've built most of what ClickFunnels is today and now this is the first time you're really sitting down and wrestling with this idea of greed and is it bad, is it good, what's the balance there and stuff like that? Russell: Yeah. Josh: That's fascinating. Russell: Yeah. It never crossed my mind, really. And then it became this thing where it bothered me because I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. I don't want to be a greedy person." You know what I mean? Josh: Right. Russell: I'm like, "I don't feel like I am," but I was stuck. I couldn't figure that out. Right? And so I'll rewind to the wrestling story because I think it will set it up. Josh: Yep. Russell: But my senior year, again, I'd been growing as a wrestler. I was going to camps. I was getting coaching. I was greedy. I was sucking up everyone's brainpower I could and I became a really good wrestler because of it. And then my coach asked me to go coach a wrestling camp. So I say yes, go to the wrestling camp, and I remember he's like, "Okay, I need you to teach ..." My best move… I'm really good at tilts. So for all the wrestlers out there, I'm really good at cheap tilts. And he's like, "Teach these kids how to do a cheap tilt." Russell: And I was like, "Okay." So I walk out, there are like 30 kids. I'm like, "Yeah, you do this. You just do it like that." And they all look at me and they go try and they try to do a cheap tilt and they all just fall apart. I'm like, "Are you guys dumb? This is not that hard." I'm like, "Come back in, come back in. No, you did it all wrong. This is how you do it." I show them again, like, "Go do it." They go back out, nobody can do it. Russell: And then, all of a sudden, I'm like, "Gosh, they're missing something. What is it?" So I have them come back in and I start breaking down, "Hey, for the move to work, your hips have to be here, your legs have to be here." I start walking through all the things. And as I'm doing that, I start realizing, "Oh, the season why I'm able to do this is because of this," and I started realizing what I was doing as I was teaching people. And as I taught it to people, then the kids started doing it and they got better and better. And all of a sudden, I started realizing, "Oh, my gosh. This move works because of this." Russell: And now that I was aware of the situation, now I was able to make these tweaks and stuff on my own. And I realized that, but coaching the kids, that was the next-level growth. It was a shift from selfish greed growth to contribution. So that's why I started coaching camps every year and that's why I went from slowing down my progression to, all of a sudden, it sped back up again by shifting from growth to contribution. Okay? Russell: And so I think the same thing happens in business, right? I got in business because that seed of greed is in us. It gets us moving, gets us in the momentum. And some people never get out of that. Some people live their entire lives chasing greed and they die and it's a tragedy, but I think for most people, there's this transition point. And I don't know where it happens. It happens different spots for everyone where, all of a sudden, you realize ... you make the money, you started the business, and you realizing how unfulfilling that is. You're tapping out. You're like, "I'm not growing anymore. I thought I wanted money, but I don't. I want growth. That's what we're here on this planet for, is to grow as humans. Right? Russell: You don't get that and, all of a sudden, you realize money's not fulfilling and then you start seeing the other people you're contributing to and you're helping. Then it shifts to ... We hear people talk about, "This is about impact, about growth, it's about helping other people," and that's that transition. That's charity, love. That's pure love of Christ. It's that transition, but greed is the seed that gets us moving, right? And so there's this handoff. It doesn't happen all the time. And are you guys cool if I share scripture stuff? Because- Josh: 100%. Russell: -all this stuff is scriptural. It's not just- Josh: They don't get to decide, Russell. I get to decide. It's my podcast. You can talk about whatever. Russell: If you hate scripture, just close your ears and go, "Blah, blah, blah." So I wrote down some scripture. This is a scripture because it illustrates this point. I think it's so good. Josh: Also, I just want to say, Russell Voxed me and he said that this is the first episode of a podcast that he's ever prepared for. When you said that, I'm like, "Ha! I was the first for something for Russell. Let's go." Russell: I want to be ready. Okay. So this is a scripture. It says, "For the natural man is an enemy to God and has been from the fall of Adam and will be forever and ever." I'm going to stop right there. Okay. So natural man is an enemy to God. Why is that? We're born. We have this greed inside of us, so the natural human is the enemy of God because we're chasing after greed. Right? But God gives us that seed because it creates momentum. It creates motion. It creates us doing something. Right? Russell: And then it says in here, it says, "For the natural man is an enemy to God and has been from the fall of Adam, will be forever and ever," and then this is the transition point, "unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit." So he's greedy forever, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit and puteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ, the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father." Russell: So growth is the seed. It's the natural man. It's the thing we have that's ... It's good, right? God gives it to us because it gets us to do stuff, gets us to learn, gets us to not die in our crib because we need love and attention and to get fed. Right? So then it gets us off our butts, off the couches, us being producers that gets us moving. And if we're not careful, though, the natural man will destroy us. You see so many people who made tons of money and they destroyed themselves in their lives because they don't do that second thing, which is, "Unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit." Russell: That's the thing saying this is not about money, this is about the impact. Look at the people you're changing. And it shifts, right? If you make that shift, all of a sudden, now this thing you’re creating is not about greed, it's like, "Oh, my gosh ..." I remember, for ClickFunnels, when I had that transition was when I started seeing Brandon and Kaelin Poulin. I started seeing the ripple effect of their business. And I can name hundreds of people, person, after person, after person. Russell: I was like, "This isn't about money. This is about the ripple effect of what we've created in each person's life." Now, that's charity. That's love. Now the mission isn't about money. We don't care about the money. We keep score with money, but that's the mission, is the people's lives and the impact. And I think that's that transition where greed is the thing that gets us moving, but if we don't have that ... Russell: I think that's happened in the book. We talked about it. You said this at my house earlier, like, "A lot of people in the book seem like they have a miserable life." And it's like, yeah, because they never yielded to the spirit. They never made that shift. It was all greed to the point where they let everything collapse as opposed to the charity side of things. Josh: Yeah. So one of the things about the book ... And I'm sitting on the plane on the way over here and I'm like, "How do I articulate this?" Because that's always the hardest thing. You have this idea in your head and you're like, "How do I get it out and explain it in a way that somebody else can be like, 'Yes, I understand that?'" I'm going to go kind of political here for a second. I'm going to bring it back, too, specifically to the book. So I am pretty vocally a conservative. Right? I'm a blatant Trump supporter, very much so conservative when it comes to everything fiscal, but I call myself a libertarian because I actually think that I lean left on a lot of social issues. I think the government should stay out of gay marriage. Right? There's a lot of things that I lean left on, but when it comes to money and finances and things like that, I lean to the right. Josh: But the reason I lean to the right and I typically go with the right is because I like what the left is trying to do in concept. It's like, okay, there's a bunch of people that are really truly in need. I agree. We need to help them. The problem is is that the way they go about doing it, I so radically disagree with it. It's against everything that I stand for. Right? I'm like, it's not that I disagree with what you want to do, it's I disagree with how you want to do it. Josh: What's interesting is I feel like, in this book, I feel like it's the opposite. I actually don't agree with why they're doing it. This concept of ... I mean, Hank Rearden says it over and over again, "Everything that I do is for profit." That is it. Even to his friends. He took a bullet for John Galt, right? He gets shot. And John Galt thanks him for it. He goes, "You know I only did it because it's what I wanted to do, right?" Literally saves a guy's life. Josh: So it's all about what he wants and only for him and that's it. And it's profit and money and dollars. It's not about everything that he helps. And I'm like, I disagree with that premise, but what that leads to, I actually do like. And I feel like it's flipped compared to the world I'm living in now. Half the stuff that the Democrats ... I hate to… oh I want to go into politics so bad… Russell: Left and right. Josh: Yeah, the left. Guys, we're going to say left and right. Generalized here, right? Oh, my god, but generally speaking. And so when it comes to the whole greed issue, I'm like ... It's interesting to hear your perspective because I never, even throughout the book, I'm like, "Greed is a bad thing." And hearing your perspective, I'm like, okay, I understand what you're saying, but is it greed or is there some other driving ... If I were to ask you a year ago ... When were you in the heart of ClickFunnels, like a year and a half ago, two years? There was a time of your life when all you ... I know all you do is ClickFunnels, but when- Russell: It's the last six years of my life. Josh: But you know what I mean? Wasn't there a year or two period in there, in the growth phase, where 100% of everything you do was just ClickFunnels, ClickFunnels, ClickFunnels. It felt like you were going nonstop. It feels like you're a little bit more balanced now. Maybe not, but from the outside perspective looking in, it does. Anyway, during that time of growing ClickFunnels, before you read that, would you have described yourself as greedy? Russell: No. Josh: What would you have described yourself as? What's the word? Russell: I don't know. That's a good question. I was always trying to create stuff. It's art for me, right? So it's like I was trying to create stuff. I think, initially, I was creating for myself as opposed to, "Oh, my gosh. I create this for myself, but look what happens to the people." Josh: What point was that shift for you, though? Russell: You can see it in my marketing, by the way. And by the way, for those who are greedy capitalists who only care about money, it actually is a better marketing way, too. My marketing went from- Josh: For all you greedy capitalists out there, switch to being a contributor, you’ll make more money. Russell: Well, think about it. My marketing is always like, "Here's Russell. Here's how much money my funnel made. Here's how much ..." It was me talking about me all the time. And then I realized, "Who cares about me? I don't care about me. Let me show you what this person ... Let me show you all the results of the people we're serving, what's happening there," which first off, is better marketing and, second off, it's that transition where I was literally like, "Everything I've accomplished is stupid. What they're doing, that's the real ... What we're doing, that's the thing that's amazing." Right? That's the spiritual side of it. That's the thing where it's like, the thing that got you into motion now is doing good in the world. And when you start seeing that, it's like, oh, my gosh. That's so much more fulfilling and so much more exciting. Russell: And people ask me, "The last six years, why'd you keep getting up? Do you need more money?" I'm like, "No, that's not what keeps me up," but I can tell you 100 stories of people who ... literally the ripple effect of how many lives they've changed because I did my thing. Right? We made a documentary of the Two Comma Club and Jamie Cross has this whole part there where she's bawling her eyes out and she said, "Where would my family be if Russell wouldn't have fulfilled his God-given calling?" And every time I see that, I start bawling, myself. That's why, eventually, you start doing it. Right? Josh: But when did that shift happen? Russell: I don't know. It wasn't a day that it happened. The energy of it shifted. Right? I don't know. It gradually kind of happened. Josh: What's that? Dave: Tell them about your dad. Josh: Yeah. Russell: Dave, come on in. Dave's here. Dave, take the mic. Here. Dave: Yeah. No, honestly, I think… this has been one of those things. It's been fun for me to watch Russell from the sidelines here. I think, honestly, it was your dad's 60th birthday. Josh: Which was how long ago? Dave: I don't even know. Russell: Three, four years ago probably. Dave: But it was the reflection on that and it was the difference from having your hand raised versus ... because I remember you… Russell: Yeah, you want me to tell that story? Dave: Russell is a much better storyteller. I'll seed the thought, but I'll let him finish. Russell: All right. Josh: Oh, thank you Dave. Russell: Thank you. Interesting. Josh: Guys, we have a live audience here. Russell: So yeah, my dad turned 60 and we have our little family reunion every year we do. And so it was during his birthday. And I remember my mom gave him $60, six $10 bills. And so she gave them to him one at a time and said, "Okay, the first decade was one to 10. Tell us something you remember about that." He's like, "I don't remember anything back then." The second one, he's like, "10 to 20, that's when I was a wrestler. It was so much fun for me." And then, 20 to 30, he was like, "Okay, that's when I was starting my business, trying to figure things out and trying to get our family stable." 30 to 40, "That's when my kids were wrestling and I was coaching them." And then 50 to 60, he kind of went through everything. Russell: And then, after it was done, I asked him, I said, "Well, Dad, of all the decades, what one was the best for you?" Thinking, in my world, the best was going to be when he was a wrestler because I was like, for me, the greatest part of my life was when I was wrestling. And my dad said, "The greatest decade was when I got to coach you." I forgot that story until Dave said that, but I remember coming back and telling Dave and other people that I always thought the best part was being the all star. For my dad, the best part was coaching other people and seeing their hand raised. Josh: That was a good interjection there, Dave. Huh. Russell: …which was really cool. Learn more about your ad choices. 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It has been a few years since this episode was first released, but I still feel that the message is important today. Enjoy this special episode from the archive! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey what’s up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome to Marketing Secrets. I mentioned a little while ago how I hired a new coach, and it’s been really, really good. He’s one of the main guys over at The One Thing, his name is Jeff. It’s interesting because I read The One Thing book a while ago and I remember, I think when I read it I didn’t like it. I think at the time we had just launched 12 companies in a year. And I was bitter against it, but everyone kept recommending it to me. That book and the Essentials came out at similar times and everyone was like, “you gotta read them.” So I read them both and I was just like, “They want me to focus on one thing. I hate that idea.” So I kind of didn’t like the books. And fast forward to last week, I just kind of got back into it in the last week. I went and listened to a bunch of podcasts from The One Thing, I started re-reading the book, I got the main dude coaching me Monday mornings and it’s really, really cool. What’s interesting is, since he started coaching me, I’ve had this big epiphany, big aha, big realization inside, and then as I’ve been coaching the inner circle the last two days, I’m watching the people who are leveling up really, really quickly and there’s a consistent theme behind all the people who are growing fast versus who…..everyone’s growing, but the ones who are really quick. It’s interesting thing, it’s funny, the thing that I got in my coaching session was, it came back to Steven R. Covey, 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, which I read back in high school. It was start with the end in mind. It’s been interesting, as I’ve been going through the coaching stuff. Man the first, it feels like it’s been like a month because I move pretty quick on stuff. But the first exercise he had me do was figure out, what is your someday goal? Where do you want to be someday? So it’s not like 5 years from now, or 10 years, like in the future, where is it you really want to go?  It’s been interesting as I’ve kind of done this exercise, I can walk you guys through what it is, but it’s morphed, 3 or 4 times to radically different things and I one of the big aha’s I realized when I went through this exercise is that literally my someday goal, I achieved it like 18 months ago. So the last 18 months I’ve been wandering without really a focus or a goal other than just more, which is interesting. So he’s had me keep focusing, what’s your someday goal? Begin with the end in mind. What are we trying to get to? So I figured out initially, here’s my someday goal, and someday goal can be about your business, you personally, your relationships, your spirituality, whatever you’re trying to figure out for yourself. Then he came back and said, “Okay, what do you have to had accomplished within 5 years to keep you on track for your someday goal?” So I was like, “Okay well, to have that I need to have this in place, these things need to be in place in the next 5 years.” And he came back and said, “Okay, what do you need within a year to be able to hit your 5 year goal? And what do you need by the end of this year to hit your one year goal? And what do you need by the end of this week to hit your yearend goal? Or your month goal?” So as you do this it’s interesting because you start getting more and more clear on all the steps. It was funny because it was like, as I did that, as I identified, had the end in mind, I started going back forward and I got to the things I needed to do. I looked at my to-do list and none of the things on my to-do list actually got me any closer to my someday goal. All the sudden I realized that I’m doing all these to-do’s that are good, they make me feel good, I check off the box, but none of them are actually moving me towards what I’m really wanting. I was like, well what’s the one thing I need to do today that’s going to help me hit my goal for the end of this week, which will hit my goal for the end of the month, blah blah, blah, all the way to the thing. And as I started asking those questions it blew my mind what the one thing was that I needed to focus on. It was not by any stretch what I thought it was going to be, what I assumed was the most important thing. And after this exercise he wanted me to come back and refine it and change things. So I kept getting….my someday goal changed three or four times and I started realizing as I was looking at that, it took me a while to figure it out. In fact, I still don’t know if I have it completely figured out. But the message I want to share with you guys is just that. Beginning with the end in mind. Again, the inner circle members having the most success is because they have a very clear end in mind. What is it they are trying to accomplish? And from there it’s easy to reverse engineer the funnels and make that happen. People who are struggling, they’re building funnels to be able to sell a product or a service, not with the end in mind. Does that make sense? It’s a little intricacy, but it’s interesting. I’ve had this really cool experience over the last two days, to kind of reflect I’m listening to all my entrepreneurs talk and teach and share what they’re doing and really start thinking more and more, what is the end? I need to know really clearly for my business, I need to begin with the end in mind. Or is my goal to get people in Clickfunnels? Is my goal to get people in Two Comma Club Coaching? Is my goal to get people into Inner Circle?  What is the actual end goal? As soon as you identify it, that becomes the end goal and it becomes easy to see, well if that’s it, here are the funnels I need to reverse engineer to get people so that they will come up into that thing. For example, Dean Holland, he’s been in my inner circle for 3 years now. He basically over the last few months shut his entire company down and rebuilt it from the ground up but this time with a definite, very clear end in mind. This is where I’m trying to go. Because of that built out the funnels very simply in order, he launched and in the first 28 days built up $106,000 recurring income. Just because he began with an end in mind. So I think most of us, including me. I’m guilty of this as well, that’s been my big thing for the last 2 days, what’s the end goal. From a business standpoint, from a life standpoint, but also the customer journey, the value ladder. I talk a lot about in the Dotcom Secrets book, this value ladder, taking somebody through. But I would say even my value ladder isn’t completely clearly defined. It’s morphed and changed so much and I’m really coming back now and figuring that out. Dana Derricks when he was doing his presentation he was talking about his big aha. He said that us as creators want to keep creating and creating and creating. He said because of that, “If I look at my value ladder it kind of goes up a little and then it splits off in three different places. Some of those go up and some don’t and it gets really mushy really quick.” He realized he had to clearly define the value ladder. We’re going from here to here to here. So now he’s beginning with the end in mind. And what he said was interesting. It’s was funny because it’s something that I, a recurring thought I’ve had in my mind as well. Okay, I can’t keep creating new stuff that just spurts off my value ladder and shifts people all over the place. If I need to get my creative juices out there and just create something, the things I create need to be on the front end of the value ladder. They should only be free plus shipping or they should only be low ticket things to get somebody in, but the back of the value ladder should never shift, never change. That should be just a thing that’s there. And man, I just resonate with that. I was like, okay I obviously have my value ladder, I’ve got things in place, but I need to really specify this is the path, the process, the order and then just focus on the front end stuff. So it’s exciting. The last thing I wanted to kind of say is, again so many of us start our business like, here’s a product and we start building funnels based on that product. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s how most people do it. It’s how I’ve done it a lot of times. Because of that, I think we get lost in the weeds of where we’re trying to go and often times we never get there because we don’t know where we’re going. And again, as I’ve been working with my coach on this, which has been really fun. It’s been cool because I’m clearly defining my someday goal, clearly defining the end and then from there I can reverse engineer all the pieces I need to make that happen. I think the same thing is true with funnels. It’s just begin with the end in mind. What’s the top of the value ladder? Where do you really want to take people? Figure that out and then reverse engineer, to do that here are the funnels I need. You got a path and a process. Anyway, it’s exciting. I love it. I love this game. I love my entrepreneurs. I love the inner circle. I love all of you guys. I love Clickfunnels. I’m having the time of my life. And hopefully, also I’m helping. I’m doing my best. It’s funny, I was reading, somebody I care about wrote a really cool post about what we do. And I was reading it and in the comments 3 or 4 people who were like, “I just don’t like Russell. I can’t connect with him. I don’t like his energy. I don’t like…” Whatever. It just kills me. It’s tough because I’m always trying to give and serve and do whatever I can and I hate when I don’t connect with everybody. But that’s okay as well. Hopefully my message gets to you and you’re able to take whatever it is you share out to people. And people connect with you, people I would never connect with. Hopefully you can connect with them and change them. So that’s one of my goals. Hopefully I connect with you and if I do, that’s the key. Take your energy, get out there, share your message with other people and change the world the way you can. Because unfortunately not everyone is always going to like me. And that’s the same for you. Not everyone’s going to like you. But the people who do, they’ll hear your voice and they’ll come to you and you’ll be able to help them and serve them and it’ll make the quality of their life so much better, which in return will make the quality of your life so much better. So that’s all I got tonight you guys. Appreciate you all, see you guys soon. Bye. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I got a text message from my buddy, who reminded me how easy it is to change our circumstances if we really want to. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today I want to talk about change. Hey everyone, so I'm actually right now in Atlanta, Georgia, or a suburb nearby, hanging out with my co-founder. My favorite people on this planet, Todd Dickerson, who's the genius who built ClickFunnels. And right now we are in a secret retreat away from everybody planning the future of ClickFunnels. And it is good. It is bright. It is exciting. But anyway, we're at his Lake house and looking over the Lake and just hanging out this morning. We had elections a couple of days ago. At the time I'm recording this still chaos, no one knows who's going to win. And I'm not going to talk about that because I don't really want to put brainpower into something I can't control. So I want to focus on things I can control, which is looking at my company, what can I do? How can I make things better? And how can I serve at a higher level? So that's what we've been focusing on. And from those questions come really good conversations. But I actually had something, a text message I got from my buddies, which was really cool. So the way I met this guy, he's actually a jiu jitsu black belt. He lives here in Boise. And I don't know if I told you this story before, but I'm a wrestler. I grew up as a wrestler. I was a good wrestler, was a state champion, I took second place in the country in high school. Started ranking top 10 in college. And I was a good wrestler. And I remember, I always assumed, because I was a good wrestler I could beat almost anyone in fight. Right? So then fast forward, one day I'm on an airplane and flying home. And one of my old wrestling buddies is on the plane. I hadn't seen him in like 10 years. And he was like, "Dude, you should come do jiu jitsu." And he's actually a really big jiu-jitsu fighter now, which is cool, but he was like "You should come to jiu jitsu." I'm like, "I don't know jiu jitsu." He's like, "Dude, it's like wrestling for old fat guys." And I was like, "Sweet. I'm in." And he says "There's a tournament this Friday, you should come to it." So I go to this tournament. The night before, literally we went to a wrestling room we had access to, one of my buddies who I talked into going to the tournament with me, he watched a couple of YouTube videos about how to wrestle cheat or fight jiu jitsu and he tried to teach me a couple of things. The next day we showed up and we were not jiu jitsu fighters, right? So I show up to this tournament and I go out there, and I put my little gi on, and I don't know what I'm doing. And all I know, they taught me is "Hey, if you just take it like wrestling, and if you put your knee on their belly, you get four points." And I was like "Four points? That's so easy." So I just go out there and I was like, boom, double A, the guy I slam him on the ground, put money on his belly and get four points. I'm like, "This is amazing." And I let them go, do it again. And I do it three or four times. I'm just destroying this guy. And all of a sudden he reaches up to my gi, grabs my little collar and he crosses across my neck. And I don't know what's happening. All I know is that the blood to my brain stops going into my brain and this dark circle from the outside ... if anyone's ever been choked out you've seen before. It's like the circle from the outside starts coming in, and the world around you is getting smaller, smaller, until all of the sudden this dark circle is collapsing, collapsing. And everything's about to go out. And then I look up and I see my coach, my buddy, tapping his hand like "Tap you idiot." And I'm like, "Oh," so I tap my hand. The guy lets go of my thing and blood comes back to my brain, the little circle expands again. I can see the world. I was like, "Whoa, that was horrible." Right? So I go to my next match, same thing happens. Take them down, boom, knee on belly, knee on belly, four points. Take them down. Boom, knee on belly, take them down. Reaches up, grabs my thing, and somehow chokes me out. I'm like "This sport sucks." I was like "I hate this." Right? And then after that two matches with gi, and then two matches with no gi, which is basically shorts and a T-shirt, right? So I did that, and I had a little better cause there's no collar for people to choke me out on. Same thing though, I’m beating the guys, beating the guys, and then, for those who know jiu jitsu, twice I took the guy down, got overextended, I didn't know about posture. So I broke posture, guy puts me in a triangle lock, chokes me out twice. I got choked out four times in one day for never doing jiu jitsu. And I still remember all the people that I wrestled, that I did jiu jitsu with, they were all so weak. They were soft. They're all white belts. They're so easy to pick up and slam down, and all this stuff, but they just had the ability to reach up and choke me out. Cause I didn't know what I was doing. Right? And I remember that day being like ... actually this trainer came over to me, one of the coaches came over. He's like "Are you a wrestler?" I'm like, "Yeah. Can you tell?" He's like "Triangle locks are kryptonite for wrestlers. You guys all break posture." I'm like, "Okay." So I get on the mat. I'm like, "All right, I got to learn jiu jitsu." Cause I assumed that anyone ... not everybody, but for the most part, if I met someone on the street I could just beat them all up. Right? And all of the sudden I realized that these little wussy white belts were choking me out. I was like, I don't know what I don't know. And I do not like this feeling. So I have to learn how to not get choked out. So I did what Russell Brunson does, and I did not go to a class. I found out who's the best person in Boise. Called them up, said "Can I take privates with you?" And then twice a week for the next two years I went and did private lessons with this guy. I went into three or four more tournaments, after I learned how to not get choked out it got real easy to beat everybody. Basically white belt level, blue belt level. And it was really fun, did it for two years and then ClickFunnels became ClickFunnels and my free time shrunk. So I haven't done it in a while, but really enjoyed it. So the guy who was my trainer, he's awesome. And after doing jiu jitsu stuff for a while, he ended up getting some other job. I don't know what it was, but I had a sense when I talked to him every once in a while, that he didn't love it. But he was doing it and whatever, right? So then this last week I see him posting on Facebook. He's opening a new restaurant, this new ... I'm not sure exactly what it is, I'm going to go when I get back from Atlanta. But it's a juice place or something, and it's all healthy stuff. And he's a vegetarian I know. So it's all these ... anyway, I'm pumped. I'm excited to go check it out. Right? And I text him like "Dude, did you open a restaurant?" And he texted me back. He said, "Yeah, man." He's like, "I didn't like where I was at. And since I'm not a tree I left." That was his response. At first I started laughing, and then I started thinking how profound that was. And how most people do not look at it that way. Okay? So like he said, "Yeah, I didn't like where I was at." He didn't like his existing circumstances. He's like, "I'm not a tree, so I'm not rooted in and stuck. And so I got up and I left." Right? And I started thinking about me, and you, and all of us. And it's like, how many times are we not happy in our circumstances? And instead, we think we're a tree. We're like, "Well, this is the hand I was dealt." This is the whatever, right? This is where I am right now. And we're frustrated, right? But that's kind of what we do. And I think the lesson here for all of us is, we're not a tree. So if you're not happy, get up and leave. If you're not happy with your job, get up and leave. You're unhappy with your business get up and leave. You're not happy with your customers, change it. Right? I know we know this, it's funny cause I remember ... very first time, if you've read the DotCom Secrets book, I tell this story at the very beginning of the DotCom Secrets book where I woke up one day and I realized I hated my business. I hated the customers I was serving. And I was like, "I wish I had a boss that would fire me." And about that time I remember seeing a video, it was New Year's time. And Tony Robinson's wife, Sage, put out a video. I believe they were in Fiji at the time. And she said, "You know, it's New Year's, and obviously we can all change anytime we want. But for some reason we give ourselves permission during the New Year to change." So I want to give you guys permission, if you're unhappy in a relationship, then change. If you're not happy in business, then change. She named five or six ... not happy with your weight, change. You're not happy with your whatever, change. And I remember thinking, I was like, "Oh my gosh, I could just change." And it was just a thing ... I don't know, we get our heads so much, like "This is the reality, this is what we have to be doing," it's like, "No, you don't actually have to, you could just change." You know? And like my friend Jason said, "I'm not a tree. So I got up and I left," right? If you're not a tree, you have the ability to change. You can get up and you can change your circumstances. And so right now, just in the season of ... I know the last 10 months of 2020 has been hard for everybody. The elections have been hard for everybody. All these things have been hard for everybody. I think that the biggest thing I would say is right now, looking at yourself personally, looking at your family, look at the people you have stewardship over, and saying, "Look, if I don't like this, I can change." And then give yourself the ability to it. Just like my buddy, Jason, like "I wasn't happy and I'm not a tree. So I got up and I left." That's it. You guys can do the same thing as well. Change is possible. You just got to be willing to do it. So remember that, you guys. You're not a tree, you don't have roots going 20 feet down. You can get up and you can leave. And so that's what you should do. But that said, I appreciate you guys all, thanks so much for listening, I hope you enjoyed this episode. 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I’m in the middle of changing my office. Let me tell you why and what it’s going to hopefully do for me. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. And welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Are you guys pumped for today? I hope you are. I am. I came in the office today and I looked around at my environment and I was like, "These are the same walls, the same everything I've been looking at now for a long time. And I want to make a change." And so that's what happened today. I'm going to tell you why and what it looks like now. All right, everybody. So I'm not going to lie. Today, I came in and I was just frustrated at a lot of things. I was like, "You know what I need? I need a new view of the world." And so I literally came in and I started ripping things off my desk, moving monitors, shifting things around, moving my computers, moving my desk, just getting a whole new perspective on the world. And I'm about halfway through it now that my whole office is a nightmare. It was really clean a few minutes ago, but now it's a nightmare. But I want to share it with you because I remember I had one of my first mentors, Matt Furey, when I was getting into this game. I started studying because I wanted to learn marketing. And then, lo and behold, he was sneaky and started slipping in all this personal development stuff, which was so good for me. But I remember, and I'm probably going to say this wrongly, this is back on an old CD that I bought from him, way back in the day. So I couldn't even re-find this if I wanted to. But the principle, I remember in my head, he talked about just the power. I believe he married someone who is Chinese and so he studies tons of deep Chinese philosophies and principles and things like that. And I remember him talking about any room, there's an energy. There's energy in the room. He's like, "If you want to change the energy, change the room." If you're not feeling the vibe you want or the energy you need to be able to produce or to work or think or whatever, he's like, "Literally just change your desk. Move a plant." It physically changes the energy of the room. Move a picture, move your monitor, move your desk. Just shift things up. I just change things and it'll change the energy of the room and how you produce and how you do everything. I think that the layout of my office has been good. It's been through a lot of wars. I think that I even beat up a lot recently and it's just like, "You know what? I need a change." I looked at everything from different perspective and different ideas. And so that's what I'm doing. And so literally, all these things I was so proud of, I remember four or five years ago I moved into this office, like these big, huge monitors and just all this stuff is just being shredded apart. And I'm move everything, changing everything to change my environment so I can work better. So want you think about for yourself right now. Think about, and this could be any part of your life. It could be your personal life, your business, you whatever. And in fact, it's interesting. There's a book by Ben Hardy called Willpower Doesn't Work. Sorry, this is a squirrel tangent, but it's important. So in the Willpower Doesn't Work he talked about how, you look at how people change things in life. They try to quit smoking, start making more money, all these things. And they have tried willpower. "If I just do this thing for 30 days, it will clear the habit." Or whatever. They're trying to force things through willpower. And I remember the premise of the book is that basically it didn't matter how much willpower you had, you always would relapse back. He said, the only thing that caused sustainable change in people over time was, can you guess? A change of environment. You change the environment, which then makes the habits all easy. And that was the secret, literally moving, physically shifting your body or your environment, changing things around you. So that could be used at a big scale where you're like, "I'm going to move to a different city." That's going to change things. If you're around a bad group of people and it's easy to keep falling in your bad habits, if you literally physically moved to some other state or different place, that could cause the shift in the energy that you need to make the change. Or, if you're like me, sitting in an office where you just need something, physically shifting the things will change the environment which just now makes it easier to have willpower and have the things you need to be able to be successful. So, again, coming back to what I was talking about before, is for you, start thinking about in your personal life and your business and your work environment in your family and your house, wherever. If things are stuck or stagnant, can you just radically shift things around? What would happen if you did that? What would it look like? What would you change? What would you move? And what would be the outcome you're hoping for? I'm hoping for me just to have more energy. I've tried for the last four days to get this project done. I keep coming in and I just can't get it done. I think it's because I'm just stuck in this rut of that I'm just not happy. I need to shift everything. So we shift everything. And now, well, I'll find out a little later on today if I'm able to be in a state where I can get work done. The energy is different, the feeling is different. Now I can start running. And so that's my game plan. So I want to show you guys right now is I'm in the middle of this cleaning. And Michael, I want to stop for a minute because I've been cleaning and moving things for an hour and a half. And I was like, "I need something to break the energy." So I'm going to do it the podcast on this, but I want to give you guys permission to make that change in your home office or say your home bedroom. Move your bed to the other wall. Or, in your office, move the desk to a different wall and get a new computer. Throw your old on away. Rip the wallpaper off the wall. Get a family picture and move it. Whatever it takes, try that and feel the energy of the room change and see how it affects you. And keep doing it until you feel like you're in a spot, in a state where it's like, "Okay, I can get stuff done. I'm actually having success now." All right. This is a short one, but I think you guys got the gist. I appreciate you all. Thanks for listening. And I'll talk to you soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recently I had a friend pass away, and I was grateful to be able to visually see the ripple effect that his life had on the world. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here’s a cool case study of a band that performed a concert every single day for a year. Listen to this episode to find out what happened to them and how this relates to you. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Hey everybody, this is Russell Brunson, welcome back to the Marketing Seekers Podcast. I want to share with you guys what I consider an insane case study that isn't necessarily from the business world, but it's following a business principle that I talked about all the time, and it happened for a little band. So with that said I'm going to cue up the theme song. When I come back I'm going to share with you guys the story about Jim and Sam. All right, so as you guys know I've been talking about publishing for years about the power of it and why we should be publishing daily, and I remember at one of our Two Comma Club X events I made a statement, I said to everyone in the audience, "If you will publish every single day for a year by the end of the year I am convinced you'll be financially free," and I think a lot of people looked at me and said, "Cool." Some people said there's no way, and very few people actually did it. People have and those people insanely enough are having a lot of success right now. So anyways, I still stand by that. You pick where you're going to publish at and do it every single day for a year you should be successful because a couple things are going to happen. Number one, it will give you a chance and give you time to find your voice. And number two, it gives your audience enough time to come and find you, right? And so, that's kind of the reason behind it. And so, what's cool is this morning Brandon Fisher who's one of the guys here on my team that does our all our video stuff he sent me this trailer, and I haven't watched the documentary of it. I watched the trailer this morning, and it was amazing, so I highly recommend it. If you go to wearejimandsam.com you can go and watch the trailer for this documentary called After So Many Days. And so, I didn't know why he sent it to me, so I clicked play, and in this minute and 50 trailer for this documentary it tells a story about a couple, newlyweds named Jim and Sam, who've been trying for a decade to hit it with music. They were playing shows, they were practicing, all sorts of stuff, and for 10 years had no success, and they decided they needed to do something crazy, like we need to figure out a way to make this thing successful. And so, they decided that they were going to do a show every single day for 365 days. Right? And again, I haven't seen the documentary yet. I am so excited to go and watch it, but just from the trailer you see what happens is they go out there and they start doing a show, and some of the shows are next to these guys cutting down trees because they're the only person that will listen to them. Some of them are in these little bars, some of them are just wherever they can find a place to perform a show in front of humans, right? And they start doing this, and they start doing this, and by the end of the trailer they're performing in front of these audiences of tens of thousands of people. And there's this quote at the end of the trailer that was so powerful. In fact, I wrote it down. I just wanted to share it with you. At the end of the trailer he says, "So here we go, making something happen every single day," and then, boom, they start on this journey. Anyway, I wanted to share it with you because, man, so many of us have this dream. We have our art, right? For Jim and Sam it's their band. For you it could be an offer, a product, a coaching program, a book, a course, a CD, a physical product, a service you do. It could be whatever, right? We have this vision, we have our dream, and we go out there and we try to put it out there. But the magic of this, and again, I cannot wait to watch the documentary. It'll probably end up having 10 more episodes. I'm going to be geeking out about this, but the concept of like, all right, if we're going to be successful it's not just going out there and dabbling, or going out there I'm going to read a book, I'm going to go try to whatever. It's like, here we go, making something happen every single day. What are you doing every single day to make your dream come true, right? What is it? Right? And for most of us if we're selling stuff online is publishing. I know Nathan Barry who was the founder of ConvertKit, a great software program, he said the same thing. He's like, "I'm going to write a blog post every single day for a year," and he sat down and he started doing it, and first it was really, really hard, right? But then, he got into the habit of this every day I'm going to sit down I'm going to write 1,000 words, write 1,000 words. Every morning do 1,000 words, 1,000 words, and by the time a year had come up his company had blown up, so many good things happened from it. And so, I think for all of us, man, they just serve as such a good reminder. How do we publish something every single day, right? And so, this is the rallying call, okay? As you guys are going to commit to this and say, "Okay, I'm going to do this." The rallying call is this, "So here we go, making something happen every single day." So what is that for you? What is that level? What's the thing that if you do every single day it's going to change everything for you? You got to figure out exactly what that is and then focus on it and do it consistently every single day for a year. If you do that a couple things happen. Number one, you will find your voice, okay? I guarantee that by the end of performing a show every single day for a year, what happened? They got better. They figure out if people like it, or if people didn't like it. They mastered their craft, right? And the second thing is they're going out and doing this over, and over, and over again. The consistency gave their audience a chance to find them. I talk about it in the Traffic Seekers book as well. I shared one of Nathan Barry's thousand blog posts, or 100 blog, whatever, 365 blog posts he did that year. One of them is called You Have to Endure Long Enough to Get Noticed. And he talked about it, he said you know what's interesting? You think about TV shows, or movies, or documentaries, like how many TV shows did you find out about season four or five, right? So the problem is there's so much content being created all the time that the market, the world, waits to see what's good enough that's going to rise to the top, right? And so, it's testing you. I think for all of us it's like, okay, the universe, God, the market, whoever is testing you to say, do you really want this? How bad do you want it? How bad do you care about your message? Do you care about it enough to blog once a week about it? Do you care about if you're going to blog every day about it? Do you care about that every single day you're going to make something happen? Because if you do, if you are, then you get rewarded. Okay? There's a reason now that I'm still having so much success in my business, right? Despite the ups, and the downs, and all the things I have been doing this now for 18 years. 18 years I've been beating this drum over, and over, and over again. I beat this drum when nobody was listening. I beat this drum when people were angry. I beat this drum when clients were leaving me. I beat this drum and I keep doing it, and doing it, and doing it because I believed in it so much, because I cared about it so much, because I knew the impact it could and would have if I just kept doing it, and kept doing it, and kept doing it. And now, 18 years later, and I'm still learning, I'm still becoming better, I still make tons of stupid mistakes, right? But 18 years later I've found my voice, right? And my audience is finding me, and it'll continue to hopefully continue to grow and keep evolving, but that's definitely what's happening. So hopefully I gave you guys some encouragement. I highly recommend if you want to get motivated just go to wearejimandsam.com and watch the trailer. Like I said, I'm totally going to go watch this documentary. I'm pumped to see it. And again, it's called After So Many Days. That's the name of the documentary. And I'm going to end this podcast with the line that ends the trailer, "So here we go, making something happen every single day." What is that for you? Commit to it, do it, and if you do that again two amazing blessings will come to you. Number one, you'll find your voice, and number two, your audience will find you. Thanks again so much for listening. I appreciate you guys all and I'll talk to you all soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Instead of asking “What do you want to be when you grow up?”, let’s start asking this question instead. On this episode, Russell talks about the importance of considering WHO you want to serve, before you start working on WHAT you are going to provide. Sometimes you might end up wasting time doing a lot of work for something that won’t actually help the people you are called to serve. ---Transcript--- Hey, everybody, hope you guys are doing amazing today. It's Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. In today's episode, I want to rewrite what all of our parents have been telling us for generations upon generations. And hopefully, save me and you and our kids from the same frustration, because if we fix this, I think we'll fix everything else. All right, so, this is my thoughts today, and I hope you don't mind me sharing with you. But inside of our community, we talk about the fact that, I believe, each and every one of us is called to serve a group of people. It's like, for me, I was called to serve entrepreneurs. And so, I figured like, who are the people I'm supposed to serve? They're entrepreneurs. And then it's like, well, there's a lot of entrepreneurs in the world. Who are my entrepreneurs? And so, my entrepreneurs are funnel hackers. And I give them a name and a title and a belief and all that kind of stuff. And it was interesting because as soon as I knew, oh, here's who I serve, these are my people, this is who I'm supposed to serve, then everything else came really easy. Then it was like, well, what do these people need? Well, they need this, they need this, and then, the ideas, the products, the services, the events, the coaching calls, the podcasts. All the things became easy when I first identified, who am I called to serve? And then, giving those people a name. They're my specific people. Because saying, "I serve entrepreneurs," is tough because there's a lot of people serve entrepreneurs. Now, I'm fighting and competing against everybody else. It's like, no, I don't serve all entrepreneurs, I serve my entrepreneurs, my funnel hackers. And so, it's interesting though because I was talking today with some people, and there's a phrase that we hear all the time when we were kids. It's, what do you want to be when you grow up? And people like, "Oh, I want to be a dentist. I want to be a doctor. I want to be a football player. I want to be... " We talked about who we want to be. But you think about how we actually make money, how we actually start businesses, it's not about who we want to be, it's about who we want to serve. It's like this little thing. And so instead of, with our kids asking them, what do you want to be when you grow up? What do you want to be when you grow up? Or asking the kids who just graduated from high school, what do you want to be someday, when you... After college, what do you want to be? I think to ask that question, what do I want to be, sends us on a wrong path. I want to be a dentist. Okay well, how do you be a dentist? Well, you got to go to school here, and you got to go to school here. And then, when all that's said and done, then you become a dentist. And then, you get your dental degree. Now, you're able to clean people's teeth. And then, cool, now, you can clean people's teeth, the question is, who do you serve? And you're like, I don't even know, I'm a dentist, just everybody probably. And it just puts you on this long, long, long, long, long path that before you ever get to the real question, which is, who are you called to serve? I think we should start switching around like, well, who do you want to serve? Who are your people? Who's your tribe? Who's your whatever you want to call it. So looking at that standpoint, it changes everything. It changes how you start looking at this business and starts changing all the different things. And so, my question for you is you're starting this journey, wherever you are is not so much, what do you want to be when you grow up? And I've asked myself that a lot. But it's like, who do you want to serve when you grow up? Who is the group of people that you're the most passionate about? Who is that if you woke up every morning and be like, okay, this is the group I get to serve, it would change everything for you. And then, if you have that and you have that person, then you figure out like, what's your name for that group? Who are your people? Then, all the ideas start flowing easier. I think when I first got started in this business, and I talked about this a little bit in the Dotcom Secrets book, for those who have read it. If you haven't read the new updated version, by the way, please go get it. I promise it's worth getting the new updated one. But I talked about how I started my business. What I was focusing on, I was like, what do I want to create? I was like, I want to create this product and this product. Again, a question, a lot people chase down, but it puts you on a really weird path. I was like, well, I want to create a product that does this. Because I had this idea. I want to create a product that does this. So I started creating these different products. I thought that was the path, I started creating them, and I was selling them. And luckily, I was able to figure out the process, and I started making money. But it was by default, what I created, it attracted a certain audience. And because I didn't ask, who do I want to serve? I just said, what do I want to create? And I create this thing. And then by default, what I created attracted a certain type of people to me. It's like bait. I'm not a fisher, but I went fishing one time. And I remember it was like different bait. If I want to catch... I don't even know the names of the fish, so embarrassing. If I want to catch a big fish, I want to catch a trout or a salmon or whatever, there's different bait. And the bait you throw out, attracts different fish to you. I have no idea if that analogy is actually true, maybe I just made it up. But I think it is. And if not, you guys get the gist. Right? Same thing, the bait you put out into the world attracts different people. And so, because I led with, what's the bait I want to create? What's the idea I have? What's the bait? I started doing that. I started throwing this bait out, not knowing what it's going to attract. And all of a sudden, it's like, "Oh my gosh, it attracted trout." And then, I'm like, "Oh, I actually hate trout or I hate salmon," or whatever your version of that. In the Dotcom Secrets book, I talk about that, how I woke up one day and I was laying in bed and I was like, I wish I had a boss, so that he could fire me because this is miserable. Like, I am not enjoying this experience at all. It was such a bad thing. And so, if you remember the default, what I should do, is I shifted away from what do I want to create? To, who do I want to serve? Who is my dream customer? I wish I would have led with that. I never did. And most people don't. We lead with, what do I want to be when I grow up? What do I want to create? Here's an idea hat. And all those things sent you on a path, but it's not a direct path. The direct path is who do I want to serve, then go find those people and figure out what they actually need, and how they want to be served. Because you come in with a product that people don't actually want, no one's going to buy it. And then, it doesn't work for you. And you're frustrated like, "Oh, this business thing doesn't work. Oh my grade, it didn't work." You don't need to have great ideas. This business is not about being super, hyper creative. That's not going to help you as much as you think it will. Like, "Oh Russell, you're so creative." No, no, no. I'm not that creative. I'm just really good at knowing exactly who I'm serving, and I pay close attention to what they want. That's it, pay attention. That's what the podcast episodes come from. That's where the books come from. That's where the software comes from. All those things are just coming back to, who is my dream customer? Who am I called to serve? And then, how do I serve them? What do they want? Wheat do they need? I pay attention. And then, that's what we create, that's what we go and do. So I want you guys to understand that, because again, I think so many times we look at it wrong. I think instead of asking our kids, what do you want to be when you grow up? We should ask our kids, who do you want to serve when you grow up? Who are the people that get you pumped up? And I just recently finished the Phil Knight's book, Shoe Dog. His people were athletes. He loved athletes. He was an athlete. He wanted to serve athletes. And if you haven't read Shoe Dog yet, by the end of the book, it's really cool. He starts... it might be the epilogue. I was listening to the audio books, I'm not sure... Anyway, but at the end of the book, he starts telling these stories about dinner with Michael Jordan and this guy, and this guy, all these athletes. It's like, he served his athletes at the highest level to the point where the who's who of athletes had him at their weddings, had him at their funerals, had him at all these different things. Because he figured out who he's going to serve, and then, he focused on that. And he built a shoe company and a clothing line and all these things, because he knew exactly who he was serving and how to make the product better than anybody else. I think for you guys, if you come back the same foundational things, like who are you called to serve? Not, what I want to do when I grow up? Not, Oh, I had this idea for a product or, oh, what should I create? It's, no, who do I want to serve? And then, if you come with that in sincere heart, they will tell you, you will see it. Especially online, like you see it in the Facebook posts, the positive and negative. I see it in the comments. Every time I post a podcast, I see the comments, and where I see the lack of comments. I post some episodes, but nobody responds. I'm like, I guess that's not what they needed. Other ones blow up, I'm like, Okay, people like that, I should go deeper on that, let me share more things. I'm using this community texting app where I text out the audience. And I can see what things get response, what things don't. And I pay attention. It's funny, those who have seen me using this texting app. It's a texting platform. It's pretty cool. In fact, let me pause for a moment to insert a tiny around to make sure you are on this texting platform. When I come back, I'll tell you the cool thing I'm doing with it. So as you see, you guys have a chance to text me. And then, the message come to my personal phone, which is pretty cool. And at first, the first week, I was doing really good at answering every message. And then it blew up and it's getting thousands and thousands of people, and I can't keep up. But I do spend about anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes a day, answering as many questions as I can, which has been really fun. So I may be personally answering your question. Hopefully, I will have a chance to. But the cooler thing is that every time I send a message, I can see the responses to that message. And so, every day I look at the day before, I look at the message I sent. And I scroll through and I see what things hit chords, what things people are looking for, things people are complaining about. And it's my market research daily. I get a daily text message from all my dream customers telling me what they want, what they don't want. And even if I don't respond to them all, I read them. And so again, I have my pulse, I feel the pulse of the market. So many times, I get hit inside the ClickFunnels team as well. I think I drive them crazy because they're all planners. They want to plan what's happening, and what emails are going out, the sequences, all sorts of stuff. And I'm like, you don't understand, if we plan ahead of time, we miss the pulse of the market. Everybody asks me, "What's the plans for next year?" The plans for next year is to feel the pulse of the market, see what they want and serve them. That's where we're going. It's not like, "Okay, well, Q2, we're going to do this, Q5, we're going to do this Q 10, next year, we're going to do. It's like, no, no, no, no, pay attention to the market and let them tell you what you do. Yeah, so I drive them crazy because we'll do a campaign and they're like, "Okay, we have 12 emails. Let's try these 12 emails." I'm like, "You can't write them right now." I'm like, "Why not? Let's get ahead of it." I'm like, "Because we have to feel the pulse of the market. What are they saying to us? We need to be shifting our message based on what's happening, with the feedback, the response." If we're not doing that, we're not truly serving our audience. We're trying to write an email sequence. We're trying to create a product. We're trying to do a webinar. I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how this game works." Hey, if you want to be good at this game, it's coming back to the foundation. Who's your dream customer? How can I serve them? Paying attention, watching, listening, and they'll tell you everything they want, which is pretty cool. So I hope that helps, hope that helps shift some of you guys who are struggling. Again for me, I struggled my first five or six years in this business because I was chasing the product or the idea I had, as opposed to the customers I want to serve. And it was crazy for me. And you guys probably heard this part of the story, but when I shifted that, I said, "Okay, no longer am I going to create products that are my good ideas and sell them. I'm going to figure who's my dream customer and figure out what they would want." And I made that mental shift and it was like, what could we create? And the very first product we created was my book, 108 Split Test Winners, which some of you guys have a copy of that book. And what's crazy about that is, I was so scared to create the book. Because I knew that my existing audience, the people who I was serving, I didn't love them. I knew they wouldn't want to buy that book. They weren't going to buy it. And I even tried, I put the book up, I sent email out to my existing customers and none of them came. I sold a few copies. I was like, okay, that sucks, this is my best material. This is stuff that people would die for. And they weren't interested. And I realized that I was serving the wrong customer. And so, what was cool, is that this new thing I created, I created for my dream customer, for the person I wanted to get into my world. I launched it. I put it out there. I started buying ads to it. And then, guess what eventually happened? My dream customers, they heard my voice, and they came to me. And that's how we built the list. And then from there, we built ClickFunnels. And from there, we built the Funnel Hacking Movement And my funnel hackers and everything else we've done. But it all started with, who do we want to serve? And then, what bait do we create to attract that person? And that's how we changed the game. So at least, changed it for me. And if you listen to this, probably for you as well. So hope this helps, hope you enjoy this. If you guys got anything that from this episode, please take a screenshot on your phone, post it on social, tag me on it. And tell me your biggest takeaway. I love to read those. I see them. I read them. And you'll see me, I usually like them, if I see them. Anyway, I appreciate that. Thanks you guys for everything and I'll talk to you guys, all, again soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recently I was asked by Rachel Pedersen what my favorite books are and why. So I wanted to share three that I’m loving right now. On this episode, Russell gives you his top 3 book recommendations and explains why they are so important to him during the phase of life that he’s in right now. ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson, welcome back to The Marketing Secrets podcast. Today I'm going to drop on you some of my favorite books that I'm reading right now. Hey, everybody hope you guys are doing awesome. So we're getting closer and closer to Halloween, depending when you're listening to this. Halloween was my favorite holiday for basically my entire life. I went trick-or-treating until I was 21 years old. And those who are like, "Wait Russell, weren't you on a mission when you were at 19 and 20? And the answer is yes, and yes, I dressed up as a Mormon missionary going door-to-door, because I already had the costume on. I got free candy. It was awesome. Oh, it was the good old days. Anyway, I love trick-or-treating. I love Halloween, love everything. In fact, when my kids were born, I was like, "This is the greatest thing in the world. Halloween was amazing before, it's even more amazing now." And went trick-or-treating every single year until about three years ago. Three years ago was when I bought my Batman suit. We launched Expert Secrets, our affiliate prize was to give away these Batman and Iron Man suits. I got my own custom-fitted, it was so cool. And I was so excited because that Halloween I was going to be Batman, legit Batman. And I was going to put on the suit and I was just so excited for it. And I remember it was a long day at the office, I got home as quick as I could, and I was trying to… oh, and the kids had wrestling practice. We got wrestling practice and come back. And kids gets home and I'm getting them all ready, giving them dinner, because I have to race back to the office to get the Batman suit on, which is an hour long project to get that suit on. I'm so excited. Feeding the kids, about to race back to the office and all of a sudden doorbell rings. And I go to the door and it's one of Ellie's friends. And friend's like, "Hey, is Ellie here?" I'm like, "Yeah, but what are you doing here?" She's like, "I'm coming to go trick-or-treating with Ellie." I was like, "What?" I'm like "I trick-or-treat with my kids." Ellie runs over, "Oh, bye Dad, I’m heading out.” I'm like, "No, you can't." And Collette is like, "Why not?" Because this is my holiday, you can't take my daughter trick-or-treating. And Ellie took off with her friends, she was gone. And a few minutes later the boys got calls from their friends and they're like, "We're going, we're going trick-or-treating." And they took off. And I remember, I wasn't ready for it. I don't know, it's like the kids leaving home, only worse. I wasn't ready for it. And I remember they were all gone and it was Aiden and Norah. Norah was tiny at the time, she was maybe two at the time. And so I didn't get my Batman suit on. We go out to the car and got Norah's suit and everything and put her in the car seat. By the time we got in the car she passed out and she was out cold. And so it was Aiden, me and Collette. So we drove to this neighborhood. Aiden got out with Collette, started trick-or-treating, and I passed out in the car. And that was the saddest day of my life. I miss Halloween. Anyway, I come to grips with it now. My kids are awesome. They can have friends. It was just, I wasn't ready for it. You know what I mean? You're planning your kids are going to leave the house someday, and then all of a sudden they just leave, without any preparation. Anyway, so Halloween was my favorite holiday until that year. And now my favorite holiday is 4th of July, because I spend more money on 4th of July than any sane human. And so because of that, everybody comes to me. And I'm doing that to compensate for Halloween being stolen from me by kids. Anyway, that's how I really feel. I'm just joking. Anyway, that's a true story. So 4th of July is my new favorite holiday, but it always was Halloween. And so as Halloween gets closer, I still get excited. I'm not going to lie, I love the leaves falling and the seasons changing and pumpkins and candy and just all the things. So anyway, one of our family traditions is every year for Halloween we go to Albion, Idaho, where there's this old college campus. It's in early 1900s, there was a thriving college here. In 19, I don't know, 1920 or something, it went out of business. So it's been vacant for 100 years. And a couple of years back, this family bought it and they renovate the whole thing and turn it into, one of the dorms they turned into a bed and breakfast. And then the rest of it, they turned to haunted houses. There's a zombie house, a clown house, and it's these old creepy buildings from the early 1900s. And anyway, it's insane. So we go every year. This year we took two of our friends, Rachel Peterson and her husband, Paul, and they came with us, which was really, really fun. So anyway, on the trip down, Rachel asked me, says, "What are your favorite books you're reading right now?" Everyone time someone asks me that question about books, I always freeze, because there's so many. I'm obsessed with books. I have more books than anybody I know. And I buy them every day and tons more. And I don't read most of the books, I listen to most with audio. But I buy the physical book too, because I like having physical books. Anyway, all sorts of turmoil. I sat there like a deer in headlights thinking. I kept thinking and thinking and I realized right now ... And it's tough, because you know how it is, different seasons of your life there's different books and all those kinds of things. So anyway, I'm in a season of my life I'm actually really excited for. I'm preparing, not really, I'm mentally thinking about my next book. I think I told you guys before, my next book. I bought the domain bootstrap.com. So the book's going to be called Bootstrapped, and it's going to be the ClickFunnels story, how we did it. It's going to be different, because all my other books have been how-to books, right? How to get traffic, how to build a funnel, how to write copy, things like that. But this book's not going to be how-to, this is the story of it. And so I've been obsessed, listening to books about companies and people telling their story about how they built the company. And so I've been listening to a lot of those lately just to understand how to write that way and how to tell stories that way that's different, right? It's different than how I've typically done things. So for me to be able to write this book, I'd have to change my skillset. And this hopefully is a side lesson for everyone. A lot of times when we have to do the thing we want to do, we have to learn something completely different, right? A lot of you guys, if you were a business before and you come into our world, you're like, "Oh my gosh, business is different online." We have to change how we think. And so for me it's the same way. For me to write this next book, I have to learn how to write differently. And I understand that and respect that. I'm paying attention to it, I'm trying to learn it. So anyway, so I've been listening to a lot of books about companies, about their stories, because I want to hear how people tell their stories. And so my three books I want to recommend to you today are all books about people with companies. And they're good for a couple reasons. Number one, they're fascinating books. Number two, they're really good storytellers. The way they tell their story was fascinating, where I was sucked into the book and I couldn't stop. In fact, two of these books I've listened to twice, and one I will probably listen to again. I just finished it yesterday, so that's why I haven't listened to it twice yet. That's rare for me. I don't normally read things twice, because I have so many books coming in. But two of the three books I have already listened to twice, which is a testament of how good of a story that they actually are. So with that said, in no particular order, I'll give you my three books. Number one book. And this one I'm nervous to tell you guys about, because it's the dark side of entrepreneurship, okay? A lot of times you hear stories about, "Oh, here's how so-and-so built their company." And it's this positive thing and there's ups and downs and trials and tribulations. But for the most part it's a positive experience, right? This is actually a book about a website called The Silk Road, which is a website that's on the dark web that sold illegal drugs. And so it's the negative side of entrepreneurship, but it's one of the best stories ever. So the book is called American Kingpin, okay? American Kingpin. And the premise of it is there was this kid, think he's 22, 23 year-old kid, he's libertarian and he felt that people should, if they want to do drugs, they should be able to do drugs. If they want to do it themselves they should be able to do it, right? And so he talks about that a little bit, and then he had this idea for a website where it's the type of site where people can come and buy and sell drugs on the dark web and he'd take a commission of every single sale that happened, right? And so that was this idea. Now the problem is that he didn't know how to code and it was illegal to make what he's trying to make, so he couldn't go hire coders on Script-Lance or oDesk like we would, it's illegal. So he had to teach himself coding. Then he started building the site. And it's crazy. I don't want to ruin the story, but it is amazing. He basically ends up building this empire. And he had every government agency coming trying to take him down, from DEA, FDA, FTC, all of them were trying to come and get him and none of them could figure out who he was. And so the story is just so fascinating. The way it's told, oh, it's so good. And one of my favorite parts is there's a scene where he's in downtown San Francisco, he's walking around, he's looking at all of the tech buildings, right? These huge companies worth billions and billions of dollars. And he's walking around by himself with a backpack on looking at these buildings and realizing that his company was worth more than any of these buildings, but if he told anybody about it, he'd have to go to jail. How cool is that? Even though everything he was doing was illegal, he was still an entrepreneur, went through the same trials and problems and ups and downs that we have to go through. And so I love this book. It was amazing. It's called American Kingpin. And it is the first one that I wanted to recommend. Also, the writer who wrote it is ... I literally, I tried to message him like, "Hey, would you want to write my book for me? Because you are such a good writer." At the end of the book, he tells about how he did it and talks about the tens of thousands of hours of research and all the papers and documents and court cases he had to go through to write this book. And he went on to say that on top of him just going and actually writing the book, he didn't just be like, oh… he looked at, what was the weather in San Francisco on that day? What was happening here? Happening here? When he's telling the scenes of the story, it was actually like what was really happening at the time. Oh, anyway, it's so good. I listened to it twice. I'll probably listen to it again, it's that good. I think they're going to make a movie out of it. Apparently there's a documentary made about it, but the documentary is horrible. Don't even watch the documentary about Silk Road. Just read the book, because it is insane and it's worth your time. So there's book number one. All right. Before I open up to book number two, I've got a secret message here about a cell phone number. And I want you guys all to text here in a few seconds. So I'm going to take a pause and do a really quick promo for the community, my texting community, and how you can get on it right now. All right. By the way, I'm having fun with the texting community. I've been sending out cool stuff every day, at least I think it's cool. Audio messages every morning, giving motivation ideas, inspiration. So if you're not on it yet, go and get in there. All right. Book number two. You guys ready for number two? Number two is a book called Lost and Founder. And this is a book by a guy named Rand Fishkin. And I love this book for a couple reasons. Rand started a company called SEOmoz, and he started about the same time I was getting started. So I had a chance to watch what he was doing. And Rand, I have so much respect for him. I think we both look at the world differently. I think he would disagree a lot of things I believe, I disagree with things he believe, from how to run businesses. But man, I have so much respect for him. And I remember watching, because I went the whole, bootstrapped, build a company through ads and funnels and things like that, and he went the other way of building a really good product and raise money and things like that. And it was interesting because looking at the outside, I never knew if I was right or if I was wrong, "Should we be taking out money? What should we be doing?" And in fact, in my book, Bootstrapped, there was this chance meeting where Rand actually came to Boise and spoke at an event. I showed up to the event. He told the story about Moz, how he took on money, his whole thing. And I remember listening to the story. In my head I'm like, "Okay, the next step for ClickFunnels is for us to take on money." And when he got done, normally I would leave something like that, I'm too introverted and shy, but one of my friends, BJ Wright, was there with me. He was like, "Let's go talk to Rand, let's go talk to him." I'm like, "Oh, okay." So BJ pulled us up there and BJ asked him, basically said, "Hey, you took on money, was it worth it? Tell us the real story." And Rand was very raw and honest and like, "No, it ruined everything." He went on, he's like, "I suffered depression." He's like, "I had to quit from CEO." He's like, "I don't even have my own car. I don't make that much money." And just going into the whole things. I remember when he got done telling me this whole thing, I remember getting in my car and voxing Todd and everybody on my team, "We are not taking on money no matter what it takes." He literally diverted me from taking on money. If it wasn't for him saying that, the next phase for ClickFunnels was to take on money. And so, because of that we didn't. And it was interesting, because publicly in his presentation, where he's telling the story about taking on money, but then privately, he literally told us don't do it. And I remember always thinking about that and wondering how he felt. And after he left Moz, a couple of years later he wrote a book called Lost and Founder. And Lost and Found founders is him telling a story. And in his book he explains the dangers of VC money at a level that I have never understood before. It was so clear and concise and oh, I'm so grateful for that book. Grateful for Rand, first off, for steering us in a different direction. But second off, the book is such a good illustration of why. And I hope you guys, especially my world, where we're talking about how do you go funnels, bootstrap things, man, that book was one of the best to show the opposite side of that, what happens when you do take on money and the scary side of business that a lot of us aren't aware of until it's too late. So Lost and Founders is book number two, super well written. Rand's an amazing writer, and just someone I have a ton of respect for. So that's book number two. All right. You guys ready for book number three? My third and final choice today is the book I finished last night, which is called Shoe Dog by Phil Knight. And a Shoe Dog is the story about Nike. And I've had so many people who told me to read this book over and over and over, and I kept fighting it, fighting it. And finally, it was actually interesting, Dean Graziosi told me I had to read it. And I was like, "Oh yeah, I've heard that by a lot of people." He said, "No, you need to read it for a different reason than everybody else." And I was like, "Why?" Dean and I talk about our kids a lot, and Dean and I both have children that we had butt heads with and struggled with sometimes. And he said that there's this part in Phil Knight's story where he had two children and he said that one of the kids he never could figure him out. It's like this puzzle, could never figure it out. And he always just struggled. Said his son would not wear Nike's. His son, whatever his dad wanted, he wanted to do the opposite and just, it was really hard. He said eventually, I think his son was 28 years old, he ended up passing away in a tragic accident. And one of the things he said in the book, he said, "Man, if I can do my life over again, I would've focused more energy on trying to understand the puzzle of my son". Oh, I'm getting emotional. Anyway, so that was the reason why ... After Dean told me that, he's like, You should read it, because I think for both of us ... " He's like, "We need to spend more time trying to understand our kids that we struggle with." And so I said, "Okay." And so I started to read the book and oh, so glad I did, for so many reasons. Number one, just helped me to understand that and put more focus on my kids, which I think is so important. And number two, it's just a fascinating story of the story of Nike. I didn't know all the story, how it happened and all the things he went through to make it possible. And anyway, it was such a good book, and I hope you guys have a chance to read that one as well. So there are my three books. Number one, American kingpin, number two, Lost and Founder, number three, Shoe Dog. All amazing books. Again, it's so hard to have a comprehensive list of all the amazing books in the world. But I thought three that are telling stories of companies, they will inspire you, they will motivate you to get you ready to build your company or give you ideas for the next steps in your company. And then also, how it relates to your life and your family and things like that. I think those books are amazing. Hope you enjoy them. With that said, I appreciate you guys all. Please, take a picture. If you enjoy this, take a picture of it, post it on Instagram or Facebook, wherever you post it, and then tell me your favorite books in the comments and tag me. And I'd love to hear what books you're reading so I can decide what to read next. Thanks everybody. And I'll talk to you soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The missing step that most people forget, before you create a product or build a funnel. Over the weekend, my personal team’s funnel builder…Nick…and I launched a funnel at the spur of the moment just because we thought it would be fun. It’s from an idea I’ve had for 8 years and it’s just been sitting on my hard drive. The funnel was literally hatched, built, and launched in 2 days. And already we’ve had a bunch of sales! Now here’s the crucial part. This is the place where many entrepreneurs mess up. They spend a ton of time…weeks, months, even YEARS…developing and creating something, only to find out that when they launch it, nobody buys. Nobody wants what they have. And that’s because they didn’t ask themselves this ONE CRITICAL QUESTION… The one question that will tell you whether you should spend the time creating a product, service, or offer, or you should pass on the project. If you want to save yourself a ton of time, frustration, and stress, then tune in to this episode of Marketing Secrets to find out what the question is and WHY it’s so important to your entire business. ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. I want to teach you a trick today to make sure that every campaign and every funnel you build, always wins. All right, everybody so I wanted to do this episode because I was bored this weekend, not really bored, I'm never bored, we’ve got a lot of stuff going on, but Friday we were about to leave the office and then one of the guys on my team, Nick Sanders, was like, "Hey, do we have any fun project you want to do on the side that'd be kind of fun?" I was like, "What is a fun project that we have on the side that we can just do real quick?" And he's like, "I got some time this weekend, I'd love to just bust something out". I'm like, "Okay." We started thinking back and I remembered that eight years ago, I had this idea for a site called T-shirt smackdown. And the concept was picking two competing concepts or philosophies or whatever, and make a t-shirt for each one and let people vote with their wallets. So, they come to the site and they're like, "Oh, I want this one to win." So they buy the t-shirt to make sure that that one wins, right? And so, I remember I designed this... the site we had designed eight years ago because... So funny, because it was back when Obama was running against Romney. And so, in fact, the initial PSD files we found had the Obama versus Romney thing, and so it was kind of fun. Anyway we found those PSD files and were like, "Dude, let's make this." So, he took it and he got it all working inside ClickFunnels, and spent his whole weekend doing that. Obviously, the elections are coming up right now so I was like, "Let's do some Biden/Trump shirts." And so we got designers to go and design the t-shirts and all sorts of stuff. And, anyway, it's just been this really fun project that we put together, literally in no time. It's crazy, it's been sitting on my hard drive for eight years now. I can't believe I found the PSD files. It looked so cool. In fact, if you want to see it in action, but I'm not sure when this podcast episode will drop, my guess is hopefully the site will be live by then, but it's tshirtsmackdown.com, so you can go see it there. Anyway, so the concept is we picked two different shirts to compete. When the movie Twilight came out, we could have done like Edward versus Joseph, or during The Bachelor season, it could be this person versus that person, or whatever. You pick two competing things, you put them out there and you let the communities of the things all go and vote on it. And so, with this one, we're like less than a month before the election, everyone's really angry about both sides like, "We should capitalize on this as capitalists do." And so, we put this together. And so, Jake on our team went and got a whole bunch of really cool t-shirt designs that he made some for Trump, some for Biden, and we threw it up on the site and... Anyway, they've been killing themselves and it's almost ready to go. So we're excited. It's going to go live. And again, all you guys should go pick your favorite. Go to tshirtsmackdown.com buy which shirt you want to prove... To vote with your wallet. But anyway, I'm telling you this because a lot of times, we have an idea for something. And you're like, "Man, do I spend the time and energy doing this? I have no idea. It's going to take me all this time and I have no idea if it's going to work or not." And all this fear. The reason why I'm able to do crazy things like this without any fear is before I said yes, before we started the process, the first question that we asked was, "If we do this thing, where are we going to get the traffic for it?" That was the question. And if I don't know the answer to that question, then the answer's always no, we're not doing this thing. I have to know that first. And so, that was the first question like, "Where do we get traffic?" And I was like, "Okay well, to get traffic for this means we need a conservative Republican people and we need liberal Democrat people." So, I'm like, "Where do we find these people?" Okay, there's email lists so we can write here, here and here. And then there's email lists we can write here, here and here. Then here's these Facebook pages we can target. Here's the liberal, here's the conservative, here's the... and so we really quickly, as quick as we could, found as many different variations as we could of both sides to know where you get traffic. So, very quickly okay, boom, here's the traffic. I think conservatively we probably said 10,000 to 20,000 clicks in a three to four day period of time, which is how long one of these smackdowns probably end up lasting. And so, "Okay, let's do it." Right. And so now, Nick and Jake and Jamie, have been working on the site on their free hours, after hours and the weekends and stuff. While they're doing that, I just went and texted all these people, "Hey, can I run add your list?" Yes. Can I run run add your list?" Yes. How much does it cost? Okay I want this date? I want this much." And within, I don't know, within 12 minutes, 10 minutes, maybe I had enough traffic lined up to get about somewhere between probably 10,000 to 15,000 clicks, half on the conservative side, half on the liberal side. And so now when the live site flied, I clicked a button and that fast sales will start coming in. So I want to share with you guys, number one because I want to show off and brag about my fun little idea that we had eight years ago that we're finally actually executing on, but number two is for you guys to start thinking about this. That's one of the biggest things people have is spend so much time and energy and effort on their idea and their thought, and then they go and they build their sales message and they build their funnel, and then they're like, "Where do we get traffic?" And that should have been the first question. Not the last. I remember... Man this is pre-ClickFunnels, no, it wasn't pre-Click, it was right when ClickFunnels first came out actually. So maybe about five years probably. I was in London and I spoke at this really cool event. And afterwards, my wife and kids were still gallivanting around London while I was finishing my speaking things. So I sat in the hallway and talked for two or three hours to all the people there, which was really fun. Definitely intimidating as an introvert, but it was still good. Talked to everybody and they ask those questions. I still remember one person asked me this question that I'd never answered before. No one had ever asked me before, but he asked the question he said, "Man, you've been doing this so long, how do you know that something's going to be successful before you do it now?" And I started thinking and he was right, I do know. I haven't failed at this game in a long time. I failed a lot initially and I failed more than you've tried, I guarantee that. Hundreds of times we launched funnels that did not actually work. And I would say in the last five or six years, pretty much all of them have worked. And so the question was like, "What do you do differently? What do you know? What's the answer?" And before I give you that answer, I'm going to catch a really quick sponsor from myself and I'll be right back to answer it here in a second. Okay. You text me at Community, come on let's just do it. Anyway. All right, so let me answer the question. The question goes like, "How do you know the funnel is going to be successful before you build the funnel out?" And the answer I told him is, the first time someone ever asked me that, first time I ever answered, I told him, I said, "Hey, the reason why I do this is because I find the traffic source first. I don't go and create a product that I want to create, I'll go and take my best idea, I go and find the traffic source first and figure how much the traffic is going to cost, what does it looked like. I figure things out, and then the question I ask myself, "Okay, here's the traffic, here's the market, what does the market actually want?" And then I started brainstorming ideas. That way when the idea is done and the sales message is done and the funnel is done, I know the traffic so I just click a button and traffic shows up. And so, while you're thinking about that, as you're building your businesses where you are, in any spot you are right now, they just imagine like as soon as your thing is done where's the traffic going to come from? Where's that place? Do you have it already? Do you know where it is? If not stop everything and just go figure that out. Go figure out where is the traffic going to come from before you spend all the time and the effort and energy trying to figure out what you're going to create. And honestly, when you figure out what the traffic's at and you figure out how in the world to get access to this traffic, what's it going to take? Who do I need to get to know? Who's the person that's going to sell me the ads? How much does it cost? All these things you're going to start figuring out at that time. Then when you find that traffic source and the best things to do, like let's say it's email traffic you're going to rely on, get on that email list and get all the emails come in, and then that way, as you see the emails like, "Oh, I see this offer and this offer. Here's all the offers that are being sent out to this group of people now I know what this kind of person is responding to," Or if you're following them on Facebook pages and you start seeing your everybody's adds you're like, "Oh, now I know what this type of person is looking for. What kind of offers are working," it'll stimulate the ideas for the offers and the products that you actually want to create. So that's the key guys. That's what we help understand is that a lot of times, most of us do it backwards instead of doing it backwards, the first goal should be where's the traffic? Where's the traffic at now so I can go find it and then go and figure out your product, figure out your funnel, figure out your sales message. Find the traffic first. If you haven't yet, I'd highly recommend reading the Traffic Secrets book. I talk a lot about this. In the first phase for me how I find the traffic is going through the Dream 100. In fact, it's crazy in our 2 Comma Club X Coaching Program. It's 25,000 a year coaching program. People come in and I think everyone thinks I'm going to give them some magic sauce that I've never talked about before. And module number one, literally I force them to actually build out their dream 100 list. They be like, "Why? I thought I was here to make money." Exactly. Right now, our job is to figure out who are the people who already have your traffic. Where are they at? The better I understand that person, that group, the more successful I'm going to be because now I know what are all the other offers they're going out there. Who's controlling the traffic. How do I get to know them? Can I buy my way in? Can I work my way in? All the other things. And so, anyway, that's the one I shared yesterday, just looking at things a little differently. We were able to launch the site. My guys spent the weekend plowing through, getting it done, getting the designs, getting the program and getting it all into ClickFunnels and everything. And then I spent 12 minutes texting the people who I know have the traffic and now we're ready to rock and roll. And that's how the game was played. It was fun. For the T-shirts smackdown is every week, we're going to have a new smackdown. And so right now the smackdown is... next two or three weeks is going to be the politics. And after that guess what's going to be? I don't know yet, but I know I'm going to know where the traffic's at before I go in and do the thing. I'm going to go say, "Where's the traffic at for... " Let's say it's some movie coming out. Or maybe it's the finalists on The Bachelor, maybe it's who knows. I'm going to go and find the traffic first, like where I'll actually get that traffic from before we design the t-shirt, before we get the thing created, otherwise it's just going to be a waste of time, energy, and money. And that's how we play the game. All right. Hope that helps you guys. I appreciate you all. If you got any value from this episode, please take a snapshot, post it on your social profiles and tag me in it and let me know your biggest takeaway. It would mean the world to me. I read every one of them and I'll definitely read yours as well. Thanks so much guys, and I'll talk to you all soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you’re going to do something, you might as well be the best at it. This past week I spoke at a Tony Robbins and Dean Graziosi mastermind event, which was super cool. My wife and I flew to the event in Florida and we stayed at this nice resort. And while we were there, we decided to book some massages. My first massage was just terrible. I couldn’t put my finger on it, but to be honest, I couldn’t wait to get off the massage table. In fact, I didn’t even want to go back for the massage I had booked for the following day.  But…it was already paid for so I bit the bullet, even though I was dreading it. When I got to the massage room, it was a different massage therapist… And one of the best massages I EVER had! AMAZING. And I started thinking about the difference between someone who was ‘average’ at what they do… And someone who was EXTRAORDINARY…an ARTIST…the BEST at what they do. So my question for you is, “Do you want to be just ‘average’ or do you want to be THE BEST at what you do?” Check out this episode of Marketing Secrets to discover how YOU can be the BEST at what you do AND give someone an AMAZING experience. ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson and welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. As always, grateful that you are here, grateful we're hanging out and excited to share with you guys something that I think will be helpful in your career, in your life, in your marriage, in your family and everything you do. With that said, let's cue the theme song, and I'll be back in a second. All right. Last weekend was insane. I don't know if I told you this yet. I probably haven't gotten too deep. But I had a chance to go speak at Dean Graziosi's and Tony Robbins event at Tony's studio, which he built this huge studio when COVID hit where you can come in this Zoom room where it's this huge stadium wrapped in Zoom walls. It was crazy. If you follow me on Instagram, you saw the pictures. But anyway, it was really, really special and really fun. And we actually flew there in Tony's private plane, which was crazy. We had a chance to go to his house and it was a really special weekend. But without telling you too much of that, and I wish I could go deeper, so many crazy experience. I could do a three-day call, just talking about all the ahas and takeaways from that. But I will drip them out to you throughout the next few episodes. But there's one thing that was interesting. We decided when we were there, we were there for six days, which was kind of cool. We had a chance to hang out with some really cool people and just relax and take a break a little bit. And at the hotel there's a spa, so like, "Let's go get massages." We signed up for massages two different days. And obviously now with COVID, there's weirdness. Not in Boise. I love Idaho. Idaho is different. But in Florida, where we're at, they have different rules, right? You had to wear face masks more often and all sorts of stuff. We go to get our first massage and I get in there and it was only a 60 minute massage, because that's all they had time for that day or whatever. And the masseuse comes out and she puts on plastic gloves, which was kind of weird. I'm not going to lie, it wasn't my favorite, but I'm like, "Ah, whatever." I'm getting a massage and it was not my favorite massage, partially it was because ... Anyway, there are a lot of reasons why. As I was getting a massage, I was annoyed. I didn't like it. It wouldn't feel good. It was just like ... She was technically giving me a massage, but it was not a good massage. So much so, by the end of my 60 minutes ... Normally, I get a 90 minute massage. But by the end of my 60 minute massage, I just wanted it to be done. It was the longest 60 minutes of my life. I was miserable. I didn't have a good time. And I was even thinking, "I think I hate massages. Maybe I've changed. Maybe I don't like massages anymore. Maybe ... " Whatever. Right? And I was so annoyed when I finally got done, I was like, "Oh, thank heavens it's over. Get me out of here." And I just left. I'm in this beautiful spot and all these amenities. I was like, "No, I'm done. I don't do massages anymore. I don't do spas." I just had a horrible experience. I'm like, "I'm never getting a massage again." And I remember after I got a massage later and then we met afterwards, and I was just like, "That was horrible. I don't ever want to get massage again." And she's like, "Well, we have one booked for tomorrow." I'm like, "I know." I'm like, "I don't really want to go. Should we cancel?" And anyway, it was interesting. The next day I go back, because you have a 24 hour cancellation period. I'm like, "Ah, I have to get a massage." I'm like, "I don't even like massages. This one's going to be 90 minutes. I'm going to be miserable. Ah, just get out of the whole thing." Right? I get there in kind of a bad attitude. And as we're talking to the masseuse and she's a different person and super nice. And we laid out to get massages and she starts massages me. The same thing, she has to wear the plastic gloves, which is kind of annoying, but whatever. Does the massage and this time it is a completely different experience. This person was an artist. It was amazing. It's crazy, because I spent the same amount of money on both massages. Right? And the first one, I wanted to die. I wanted to get off the table. I want to leave. Right? And this next person was insane. They were amazing. The 90 minutes was over and I was like, "Are you kidding me? I want to give you some more money. I just want to flip back over and keep doing this back and forth all day till you're off shift or whatever." It was amazing. And I remember laying there thinking about how just 24 hours earlier, I had a massage from a person, same spots, same everything and how I hated it. And this one was amazing. I could've paid anything to continue this experience longer. And I started thinking about this. Right? Both of these people would consider themselves masseuses. Right? Both of them got paid the same amount money to do the job. But one was an artist. One was great at what they do. And one just did the thing. Right? And I started thinking about my life. Everything I've done, I've tried ... I don't know. I always want to be the best. I remember when I was wrestling, I bought this VHS tape, pre-DVDs. And it was the story about Tom and Terry Brands, who are twin brothers who are wrestlers at Iowa. And I remember the movie started with ... First, Tom Brand's comes on, he says, "My name's Tom Brands. My goal is simple. I want to be the best wrestler in the world." And the next one came up. "My name's Terry Brands. My goal is simple. I want to be the best wrestler in the whole world." And then that's how it starts. And boom, it goes into their training montage and stuff. And I was just like, "Yes." I remember thinking all the time, "My name's Russell Brunson. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the world." Right? And so, because I didn't want to be a good wrestler. I didn't want to be like, okay. I wanted to be the best in the world. And obviously, I never got there, but that was my belief. And so, because of that I got way further than I probably ever should have gotten based on my skill and talent level. Right? I was a state champ. I was an All-American. I took second in the nation in high school, went to college. I was ranked the top 10 in college. Never placed NCA. But, I had a good career. And when I switched to business, it was the same thing. When I got into business, I wasn't just like, "I want to make money." I was like, "I want to be the greatest marketer that's ever lived. If I'm doing this job anywhere, I might as well be amazing at it." Right? And I was just thinking about that so much during this massage, I'm just like, "Both these people have the same job title, but one's amazing. And one's eh." And I think about, for all of us, ... Like with my kids, I'm like, "I don't care what you guys do. I don't care what you want to be when you grow up. But don't just be okay, be the best in the world. How do you become amazing? Not just good, but amazing. What do you have to do different?" I don't know. I don't know how to teach that exactly, more so than just helping you guys want that and desire it. Don't be the crappy masseuse. I think about funnel building. Right? There's tons of people out there teaching funnel building and doing funnel building. You could hire someone and you see people that hire someone and they get a funnel and the funnel sucks. It's just like, you're a funnel builder, become the best in the world. Obsess about. Obsess about design, and copy, and all these things so that when you build someone a funnel, you hand it to them, it should be art. They should be blown away by it. Just the second masseuse, I was blown away. That's the experience you want to give someone. If you can't give someone that experience yet, you need to geek out more. You got to go deeper. You got to become better. Right? Become the best in the world at your art, at your craft, whatever it is. Right? If I was a dentist, I'd be like, "Okay, there's dentists. But there's amazing dentists." There's chiropractic. I don't want to be a good chiropractor. I want to be the best in the world. And there's tiers. There's levels. You see it in every industry. Right? Every industry. I was talking to one of my buddies who's one of the top doctors. He's a certain type of doctor, one of the best in the world. And I was asking about that and he told me, he's like, "If you ever get sick here in Idaho," he's like, "Tell me ahead of time and I'll tell you which doctors to go to." I was like, "Is there really that big of a difference?" He's like, "You have no idea which doctor got a D in their class, which one got an A." Right? "There's definitely a difference. Just because they have a degree does not mean they're the same thing." "If you have someone cutting you open, who do you want? The person who's okay, or the best in the world?" And so, I think there's a couple of things. Number one, it's like, when you're trying to hire someone to do something, don't look for someone who's okay. Go find people who are the best in the world. You know what I mean? Spend the extra money, spend the extra time. Find the best in the world. If you're looking for employees, don't find people that are, "Eh, they're okay." Find the best in the world. Right? And then for you is, don't be okay with, "Oh, I'm okay. I'm good." Don't do that. Be the best in the world. It's not that much harder. Right? I mean, it's going to take more time and effort and energy. But man, when you become the best in the world, people will travel from everywhere to come to you. They'll spend more to get to you. They will do everything, because ... Like right now, I would have paid the second masseuse 10 times what I paid the first one, and happily done it. I would fly her to Boise once a month to give me a massage, that's how good it was. Right? And it's understanding that versus like, "Oh yeah, that was okay. That was good." I don't know, if you put that much love into your craft. Again, and I'm talking to a lot of you who were funnel builders, who are in agencies to find out. Man, put in the time. Don't give a client crap. Make sure you become the best in the world. Understanding all the pieces. How to make a funnel go from good to great? What's the differences, image size, colors, text, copy, video, storytelling, all the things. Don't just dabble, become obsessed. If you watch the way that I build a funnel with my team, I'm obsessive about it. They're like, "Man, you're spending so much time on the headline." I'm like, "Yeah, because that's the most important part." Right? They're like, "Man, you're spending so much time crafting the script in the video." And it's like, "Yes, because I want to be the best in the world. I don't want to be okay." And so, for you guys, I want you to just think into that, how do you become the best? Because if you do that, man, life is better. You'll serve more people. All these things ... Your experiences will increase. I didn't get to have a chance to go speak at Tony's event because I was a good funnel builder, because I had okay companies. It's because I've been obsessed with becoming the best. People who are in that same way, people obsessed with that kind of stuff, they recognize it and they respect it and they follow it. And so, if you want to be in good company with the right people, then obsess about that. Anyway, that's my calling to you guys today. I just want to share that, because it was on the top of my mind during that whole massage. I was just like, "Man, look at this different experience." Right? In everything of my life, I want to find the person who's the best, not the person who's good. Right? And then on the flip-side, I want to become the best. I don't want to be just good. This is for all of you guys. Just like I did when I heard the wrestling video, "My name's Tom Brands. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the world. My name's Terry Brands. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the world." My name's Russell Brunson. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the world. My name's Russell Brunson. I want to be the greatest marketer in the world. What is your thing? What is it that you want to be the greatest in the world at? What are you willing to put in the time, and the effort, and the stress, and the pressure, and the ups and the downs, and the pain to be able to become the best at? Okay? Because when this life is done and it wraps up and it's over, right? Do we want to leave it knowing like, "Man, I became the best at this thing. I loved it so much. I was so passionate about it. I cared enough to make myself the best." Maybe you'll never get it. I never became the best wrestler. But the journey of that meant everything to me. Right? It translated into so many good things in my life. I'm so grateful for every one of those experiences. I didn't become the best, but the pursuit of becoming the best is what gave me the life I have now. And I'm so grateful for it and I wouldn't trade that for anything. Pick what it is. What do you want to be the best in the world at? And then pursue it with your heart, with your soul, with everything you have. And if you do that, man, I promise you, your life will be richer. Your relationships will be fuller and you'll get access to people and things that you never dreamt were possible. With that said, I appreciate you all. If you got any value from this episode, please tag me in it on social so I can see it. Let me know in the comments. Love to hear back from you guys. With that said, thanks so much and I'll talk to you all again soon. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This new distribution channel may be the biggest thing since email. I’m always saying how important it is not to get married to any SINGLE distribution channel or platform for your traffic… Like depending solely on Facebook, or Google, or Instagram, or YouTube, or email, or chatbots, or texts. Why? Because relying on just one source is dangerous to your business because algorithms change, policies change, rules change, and customer BEHAVIOR changes. I can’t tell you how many times over the years I (and my entrepreneur friends) have found our traffic sources completely dry up or go bye-bye at one point or another. That’s why you have to protect your distribution channel. That’s why I’m SO excited about this new platform that just came out called, Community. It’s a texting platform. What I love is that it bypasses all the same behemoth platforms we’ve all been using for years. With Community, open rates for texts are INSANE and click-through rates are CRAZY high. How would you like to see it in action? I’ll even answer your questions! Then check out this Marketing Secrets episode and I’ll give you ALL THE DETAILS! ---Transcript--- Hey everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the marketing secrets podcast. Today, I want to talk to you guys about something very cool and very important, and it is adding more distribution channels to protect your business from the inevitable. All right. So if you've read traffic secrets, you've heard me talk a lot about this, about the fact that traffic changes all the time. Google snaps and Facebook snap. So all the things that are happening. And so for me, I'm always looking at how do I protect my business? How do I protect my distribution channels? And so for you, my question is what are you doing? Do you have a list? Do you have multiple lists? There was a time when if you had a big fan page on Facebook, you post a video or something, you get millions of views. And now the reach died, right? Some people have email lists and they were sending emails back, 10, 15 years ago and getting 50, 60%, 60% open rate, where now you're lucky if you get 20%, right? You have your Instagram following, YouTube channel, all these things, right. And there's times when they're really good and you get a lot of traffic and things from it. And other times where it goes down and you can lose tons of the effort you put into something. And so I'm all about diversification and protecting your assets and protecting yourself. And there's new platform that just came out. I'm excited for, I've seen it for a while. I saw Gary V use it. I saw other people use it. And it's this really cool platform called Community. It's something that I fought against a little bit until this weekend. I was actually speaking at Tony Robbins' event, hanging out with the speakers afterwards and Trent Sheldon, who, if you don't know Trent, he is awesome. He's such a cool dude. And he was showing me his Community platform. I think, I don't know exact numbers, he has almost a 100,000 people that are on his texting platform. And he spends time everyday trying to respond to as many people as he can. But then every morning sends out a mass text with different quotes and things like that. And then when he has a new video come out or a new offer or whatever his new book comes out, he sends a text message out, letting people know about, "Here's my new video, go check it out and go comment", or "Here's my new thing", whatever. And what's so crazy is it's it bypasses all the traditional things, right? Bypasses email, bypasses Zuckerberg or YouTube or whatever. It bypasses everything and gets directly into people's phones. And he was showing me his stats and it's crazy. The open rate on his texts were 90 something percent, versus email, which you're lucky if you get 15 to 20%. But his click through rates like 23%, which typical email you're looking at like one to 3% click through rate. So it was crazy. And I got excited. So I started my Community... I joined the Community platform. I started sending out something to Instagram last night just to see how it worked. And I got hundreds of people who joined it. And I spent all my last night having conversations with people, it was so much fun. And my goal over the next year or so is trying to build that list up to a 100,000 people, right? It's another distribution channel. Something that if email disappears, I still have this distribution channel that can bypass email. It can bypass other things. Right? And so it's really cool. In fact, if you guys want to see I'm doing experiment, in fact, there's an ad that's going to run through this podcast episode. I just create the ad to start promoting them, start putting this on every single podcast episode. I want you guys joining this thing because that way I'll notify you when every new podcast episode comes out, plus you can get free quotes and I'm going to be sending out different frameworks and whole bunch of really cool things to text everyday. And I want to make sure you're on that list. So to get on the list, all you do is text spirit out area code (208) 231-3797. Okay. One more time. It's (208) 231-3797. If you texted me there, you're going to see the process and it's cool. You'll text me and you'll get a message back. Basically says, "Hey, you know, go join the community in that way". It adds you to my phone. And then I can see you and your name, how old you are, your birthday, all that of stuff. It's kind of cool. And they'll send you my V card where then you can add that to your phone and you'll see a message from me. So it's pretty cool. So when you guys test it out, you can see the process, but I'm sharing this because... And maybe you're going to use Community in your business. Maybe you won't, it doesn't matter. I just want you guys all thinking about adding multiple distribution channels to everything that you're doing. What are the new distribution challenges you can do? You know where the other ones I'm looking at, a lot of... There's a really cool tool called PushCrew. There's a couple of companies that do this, but basically happens is it is on your Chrome browser. When someone comes to your page, it can drop down, says, "Hey, join notifications from Russell or from Neil Patel" or from whoever I see Neil Patel is probably the guy doing the best in our industry and you click on it and now he can send out broadcast to you through your browser. So, let's say Google shuts you down, but if you're using Chrome, you can open up and you can send notifications to people through their Chrome browser. Which is so cool for another distribution channel, which I'm going to be focusing on heavily in building that list up as well. I just, I don't know... As long as I've been in business, I just know that lose your distribution channel, you're in trouble. You'll see some cool moves I'm doing in the next week or two. I'll probably be announcing next week, maybe two weeks from now, I'm acquiring a company specifically because I want their distribution channel. And it's a different distribution channel. It's an offline distribution channel, but I'm acquiring the company specifically because I want the distribution channel. Right? If you look at, I talked about some traffic secrets, you look at shark tank, like all the sharks that are there, are there because they, they understand, they know one distribution channel, right? Like Damon John, his distribution channel is retail, right? He's really good at getting clothing down these distribution channels. He spends his career building this distribution channel. So if he has a new product, he's like, "I know my buyers want this". He can push it through his distribution channel. Right? Other sharks are good infomercials. Lori Greiner's really good to QVC. If she sees a product, she's like, "I can put this on QVC and make a ton of money because I know exactly how that game is played". Right? So every shark has a different distribution channel they're good at. For us as internet nerds, right? What are our distribution channels? We have our email list, which is big. Which is still is probably the most profitable distribution channel we have in our company. So you have your email list, you have your social following. So your followings at Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, things like that. Facebook messenger was awesome for about a year as a distribution channel. And then it literally disappeared, it doesn't work very well anymore. For a while that was awesome. We were building up and having so much fun until it stopped being amazing. You know, they're always coming and they're going, I think text message is a big one. I'm going to be focusing on now, PushCrew's another one. So it's like, what are the distribution channels you can build to give you and your business stability? Because the only thing that we know is not going to change in our businesses is the fact that's going to change all the time. So anyway, that's what I share with you guys is just thinking about that. If you want us to come and play in the new distribution channel that I'm doing, which is this Community app, which I'm really excited for. Then, like I said, text me (208) 231-3797. Just texts me anything. You can be like, "Blah". And then it opens a live chat with me. And then you can ask me a question. And right now in the last 12 hours, since I launched this, I've answered hundreds and hundreds of text messages. Some people are freaking out, it's kind of fun. I won't be able to keep up the pace as they go from a couple of 100 people to a couple 1000, to hopefully a 100,000 people. But as right now, I'm trying to respond as many questions as I can. And I'm going to spend probably 20 to 30 minutes a day responding to questions. So feel free to come drop me a message and hopefully have a chance to respond to you personally. So I appreciate you. Thanks for hanging out. And like I said, give me a text. All right, thanks everybody, will talk to you soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you’re only listening to what I say and not watching what I’m doing, then you’re missing the point. In this age of Covid, my team and I decided we wanted to give you an AMAZING ClickFunnels experience, like we do at Funnel Hacking Live. We asked ourselves… “What is the BEST step by step strategic process that will offer the most benefit to everyone?” So we came up with the Two Comma Club LIVE Virtual Conference. We laid it all out so you could know and INTERNALIZE exactly what to do from beginning to launch, in the right order, to ensure your success. Now, I didn’t do this all on my own. I could’ve easily taught this stuff for 3 days all on my own, but why do that when there are SMARTER people right inside the Funnel Hacker community who can teach and explain certain core concepts and frameworks WAY better than I could? So that’s what I did. For each step of this 3-Day 2CC LIVE event, I brought in the experts. I orchestrated their presentations in the framework I laid out, and plugged them in. And the feedback for this virtual conference has been INSANE! Except for this one guy who said “I’m really disappointed because I already saw these presentations at Funnel Hacking Live. And a lot of the stuff in 2CC LIVE is in your books. Why are you repeating this stuff?” This comment drove me NUTS! Why? Because this guy missed the whole point of the “Two Comma Club LIVE” Virtual Event. Tune into this episode and I’ll reveal exactly WHAT I did, WHY I did it, and how it can directly affect your results… ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. I hope you guys are excited for today. I'm excited and I got something really important I want to share with you. For some of you guys, this may be one of those things that's kind of hard to hear, but if you listen and you pay attention and you internalize it, I think something could change your life forever. All right, so I am about to start day number three of Two Comma Club Live, which I am extremely excited for. This is the second time we did a Two Comma Club Live event and it's something I want to start doing probably once a quarter. And just some background context for this is when Coronavirus hit, we decided we wanted to do a live event, a virtual event, and so, we made this Two Comma Club Live and I thought, well, how do we do this the most amazing way possible? I can sit on a stage and teach for three days, but I was like, what would be better strategically, what is the step-by-step process somebody needs to come through to have the best experience inside ClickFunnels? I started mapping out, okay, the first thing they have to understand is they have to understand frameworks, then from there they have to understand the four levels of value. Then from there, they have to understand the value ladder and the yellow brick road and then from there ... And I mapped out here's all the core concepts and principles people need to understand in the right order to do it. Right? And I looked at that and said, "Okay, based on that, these are the eight or nine different presentations I need to create." So, I made these new presentations that I'm really, really proud of, right? And then inside that, I was like, well, at Funnel Hacking Live three years ago Stacy Martino gave this presentation on the yellow brick road, which complimented the value ladder, it was one of the best presentations ever. So, instead of me just teaching the value ladder, let me teach my part of the value ladder and then grab Stacy Martino's presentation. We'll plug it in here. Right? And then summit funnels, right? I can go talk about summit funnels, instead, two funnel hacking lives ago Bailey Richard gave the most amazing presentation on some of the funnels ever. So, instead of me just re-teaching it, let me grab that presentation. I'll plug it in. And I kind of mapped it out. Right? And so, what happened is we orchestrated and choreographed this three-day event that is literally insane. I think it's one of the best things people could possibly go through, right? Now, obviously, for some people, if you've been to all the Funnel Hacking Lives, you've seen some of the presentations before. If you've read my books, I'm teaching the same core principles and things I do. I'm just teaching it in a different way. And for the most part, the feedback has been amazing, but it was interesting because I'm one of those guys who I love to see the comments. And so, I'm looking at the Facebook group and reading people's comments and for the most part, everyone is really, really excited. But there was one comment that got under my skin and not because ... I'm cool with taking criticism, I don't really care. I'm very confident in what we do. I'm very happy, but his criticism, I wanted to grab him and be like, "You missed the whole freaking point." So, the criticism this person posted was, "I bought everything Russell's ever said about every book. I've been to every single Funnel Hacking Live and this is the first time I've ever been disappointed ever." And they went on to say, "The reason why I'm disappointed is because I've seen all these presentations before. I went back to my old notebooks from Funnel Hacking Live and I already have notes on these presentations. Why is he sharing them with me again? And a lot of this stuff he already talked about in his books." And that was his criticism and said, "This is the first time I've ever been not happy with a Russell Brunson purchase." By the way, I want to remind you that this event is $0. You put your credit card in and there's $0. And after the event's over, if it's worth it, you pay 200 bucks. 200 bucks, okay? Literally almost nothing for three days with the training. Nine custom presentations from me and then the best presentations for Funnel Hacking Live put it in the right strategic order. Right? Anyway. And so, I was thinking about it and there are a couple of things that I wanted to share and hopefully this human, I don't even know who the person's name was, I was just reading the comment and just all night long just been irking me. Right? But I wanted to share a couple of things because I want to make sure that you get this as well. Okay? Number one, the first thing, repetition is the mother of learning. Okay? Repetition is the mother of learning. You have to learn something over and over and over again for you to internalize it. Right? So, that's number one. So, just because three years ago you sat in an event and you have notes on this topic does not mean you know it. Maybe you've heard it and maybe you have notes on it, but have you implemented it? Is it part of your repertoire, right? For 15 years of my life I was a wrestler and used to go to wrestling camp over and over and over again and they teach the same moves over and over and over again. Right? You hear Vince Lombardi talked about the very first day of every single football practice coming to his team and said, "Gentlemen, this is the football, right?" These are people with the highest level, the best team ever and they're going back to the fundamentals. Right? I did a podcast two or three weeks ago about Alex Hormozi. Alex Hormozi who's arguably one of, if not the most successful person here inside the ClickFunnels community. Right? And I asked him, "What books are you reading?" And he's like, "I don't read a lot of books. I just read one book a lot of times." And he said, "Your new Expert Secrets book is insane." He's like, "I've literally read it eight times." He's like, "I start at the beginning. I read it. When I get to the end, I flip it back over and I start over and I read it again and again and again." Right? And my book, Alex, you already read it. You already know it. Plus you were at the fat event the first time I taught these plus you've been to every Funnel Hacking Live, plus you've consumed every one of my courses. Why would you keep reading this? And he said, "Every single time I get something new. So I read the book, I flip it over and I get it over again." Now, what's interesting is that Hormozi had never actually done a webinar. He read the book three times, wrote his webinar page, so he got a $5,000 offer and crushed it. Right? And then guess what he did immediately after he crushed his webinar? He flipped the book back over and started at the beginning and read it again. And he's like, "Oh my gosh, I missed this, this and this." And then he shifted the webinar, did it again, boom. And then guess what? Since the webinar, he did it again, he flipped the book over, read it again and did it again. Eight times now he's read this book in the last four months. Every time he does a webinar he rereads the book and comes back and tweaks things again. Reads the book, tweaks thing again. Okay? Now, I want to tell you this because Hormozi again, is I think he was a week away from passing the Two Comma Club C meeting, over $100 million in sales in a market that's gym owners, right? It's not a huge market. Anyway, it's amazing. And this new webinar that he has now, based on his conversion rates and his numbers will be an eight figure webinar, at least, and probably a lot more than that. Okay? And so, I want you to understand this is the dude at the top level, the top of the top levels, and guess what he's doing? He's reviewing the things and going over it and understanding it better and understanding it at a deeper level. Okay? So, first, for that person it's like, the reason why I'm doing this is because you need to understand it deeper. You're missing parts of it. Okay? If you're coming to this event, it means you're not happy with where you are therefore, there's something you're missing. Okay? So, that's the first thing I want to say. Number two thing. Okay, this event, I always say there's two things you learn from me. Number one, is if you buy one of my products, you learn from the product. Number two, if you observed the sales process, a lot of times that'd be worth more than the actual product you purchased. Right? Like when I was doing the launch for the Traffic Secrets book, I told everyone, when you go to TrafficSecrets.com and you buy the book, buy it slowly. Sorry, there's a motorcycle in front of me and he's so loud. Hopefully, you guys can still hear me. But I told them, I said, "When you buy the traffic secrets book, buy it slowly." I'm like, "Half of the education will come from you consuming the sales process." Okay? That in and of itself is worth more than the ticket price of any of the products you sell. Right? I literally spent 18 months thinking about, brainstorming, crafting, funnel hacking probably a hundred plus different book funnels, figuring out the copy, the tweaks, the upsells, the downsells, the conversion, everything. So just you going through and buying the Traffic Secrets book or the Dotcom Secrets book, the Expert Secrets book, that in and of itself is worth more probably than you actually going through the product. Now, the product I try to make as amazing as possible, but the sales process is the key. That's what I teach. That's what you guys should be watching. That's the art that I'm making every single day. Right? If you look at the Traffic Secrets book funnel of probably, I don't know, 30, 40 different free plus shipping funnels that I've created in my day, this one out converted all of them. Our average cart value was in the $70 per book funnel, per book sold. Okay? Which is unheard of. I don't know anybody who's got average cart values that high on a free plus shipping offer? Right? So, I share that because I always want to tell you the Two Comma Club Live event, okay, the event's amazing. Okay? Very, very proud of it. One of the best things I've ever produced and put together and choreographed and I'm so, so, so, so proud of it. Okay? But as you understand, the Two Comma Club Live event is also a sales tool. Okay? Watch the funnel. The first time we did the Two Comma Club Live event, we made six plus million dollars from that funnel. That's why I'm doing it once a quarter now. Do you understand? Because six times four is a lot of money. So, I should do that every single quarter. Okay? So, last time it made me $6 million. Okay? Even if you come to the entire event and you've heard every single word and you've perfectly learned and listened and executed every single thing in the process, just watching the sales process is the key. You guys understand this? You pick up what I'm laying down? That is the key. The sales process. That is worth as much, if not more than the entire event. Okay? Watch how we did everything. Watch the ads that got somebody to come to the webinar, watch the email sequences that got you to register for the event, right? What do we do? How do we do it? There's very strategic, every single word and every single email, every single ad was crafted in a certain way. Then you come to the landing page, watch the sales video. I had someone who just sold their company for a billion dollars watch the sales video and said, "That is the best produced video I've ever seen and I've been doing live TV for 20 plus years and sold my company for a billion dollars. That was the best produced video with the most powerful script I've ever seen in my life." Okay? Did you watch it? How many times? Did you transcribe it? If not, what are you doing? You're supposed to be a funnel hacker. Watch what I am doing. Right? And then look at the offer, how'd the offer work? It was $0 up front and you pay $197 after the event, right? Or you can pre-pay and get the replays for $147. 60% of people are prepaying. Look at this business model, look what's happening. Why do we do it? What did we do? What was the upsell? This time we had an upsell we didn't have last time. Okay. The new upsell right now, the upsell alone generated almost six figures in sales, which more than covered the entire ad cost of the event. Plus, the people that are upgrading the event, most of them are coming from the people who paid for the VIP package. So, there was that. Did you watch that? Did you understand it? Did you see it? That alone was worth the price of admission or more. Okay? Then watch the event. Not only was the event orchestrated and choreographed to get people the maximum amount of understanding and knowledge in the shortest period of time, right, the entire timeline is built out that way. It was also structured in a way to sell our Two Comma ClubX coaching program. How did we do it? What was the structure? I had people who paid me $50,000 for me to map out how we do our live events. What's the strategy on presentation number one and two and three. And what's the strategy about lunch and then after lunch and then dinner and then the round table, everything you do, what is the reason? $50,000 people paid me for me to walk them through how we choreograph our live events. Okay? If you were there, you paid $0 up front and you're having a chance to sit through the choreographed live event. Do you understand that? People pay me 50 grand for me to walk them through, but you can watch it. What is Russell doing? Why is he doing it? Why is this presentation first and second? And then why are we watching this documentary? And then what's the sales pitch? I just watched the sales pitch and made $6 million. I should dissect that. What was the offer? What'd the offer looked like? Why did it look like that? Why did it include this? Why did it include that? Okay. We're in the middle of the Coronavirus, what tweaks and changes did he have to make because of the pandemic? How did that work? Right? And then afterwards, how did he do the re-pitch? What did that process look like? How'd the countdown clocks work? How did all the pieces ... All those things are so strategic and if you're missing them, then you missed them. So, for someone to come back and say, "I've learned everything Russell said. I was at all these events. Why is he replaying this? It's not worth my $0." You missed it. On two levels. Number one, okay, think about Hormozi. Think about the number one money earner in ClickFunnels, what's he doing? He finishes the book and he flips it over and starts over again. Okay? It's something that if I was you, I would go through every quarter if you guys have the opportunity. Okay, go through it again. Go through it again because you're going to pick up different things every single time, different understanding. You'll be at a different spot each time. Right? Throughout this event I go through each of the tiers of the value ladder. Some of you guys are past tier number one, you're in tier number two. Some of you are past two, you're in tier number three. Some of you guys last event were at number one and now you're trying to get to number two. Every single time you get something different because you're in a different spot in your life. Okay? Four years ago when you're at Funnel Hacking Live and Stacey Martino talking about the value ladder, you might not have been ready for it and now, maybe you are. Okay? That's number one. Number two, is watch the process. We're funnel hackers. Okay? If you knew how much time and energy and effort and stress went into the choreographing of this event, to make a virtual event and make us $6 million in the middle of the Coronavirus lockdown, you'd be shocked. And right now, our numbers are higher than that for round two. Okay? So, we're tweaking, we're testing, we're figuring things out. So, watch the process, see what we're doing. Okay? So anyway, I want to share that for anyone who's missing the point. Okay? I used to always sign up for every coaching program. I think I paid a coaching program, one of them I paid $100,000 for this coaching program. I remember sitting through it and some people were thinking $100,000, they need to entertain me every second of every day for the rest of my life. And I was like, "No, no, no. All I need is just one idea. One little idea. If I get one tiny idea from this thing, it was worth a hundred grand," right? I used to go to tons of events when I first got started in this game. I went to every single event. Every single month I was going to some event and I'd sit through all of them. Three events, I'm just looking for one thing. I just need one little nugget. What's that nugget? I hear presentation one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. All of a sudden, presentation number eight, three fourths in the guy would drop something. I was like, "Boom. That's how I was looking for." Where he'd say something, he'd do his close a certain way and I didn't learn anything from his presentation, but I watched how he closed the sale and I was like, "That right there was worth 50 grand to me." 100% I would pay 50 grand to learn how he did that, how we closed the sale. Right? How his body movements were, how he anchored the stage, you're studying all the different pieces, right? You as a marketer, the content you're buying is only half of it, the other half is how do they sell it? How do they produce it? All those things. I want to make sure guys aren't missing it. Okay? I think sometimes you guys get so much in the consumer phase of things you're missing the orchestration of what you're trying to do. Okay? Watch what I'm doing. That's literally my favorite thing about our business is the fact that I get to sell you guys stuff, but then I can teach you later how I sold you stuff. It's so much fun for me. I could literally do a course tomorrow for a thousand bucks and show you how we choreographed a $6 million virtual event in the middle of Corona. I can sell it for a thousand bucks all day long or you could just watch it, just consume it. Watch the process, see what's happening. Anyway, I've got to bounce. I'm at my destination. If you enjoyed this episode, please take a picture of it and tag me on social media. I thank you so much for all you do. I love you guys. Thank you for listening. Hopefully you enjoy Two Comma Club Live and after you have a chance, go to the next one, make sure you do it. With that said, thanks everybody and I will talk to you all again soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hanging out behind the scenes of Two Comma Club Live, and Myron Golden was dropping gold. I decided to pick some up and give it to you guys today. Earlier this week, I sat in the ‘green room’ of the Two Comma Club Live  event with one of my favorite people, Myron Golden. Myron is a ROCKSTAR… as a presenter, speaker, and as a person. I was doing my podcast in between my 2CC LIVE talks, so I thought this would be a great opportunity to have Myron talk about how wealth and money LOVE speed, and how knowing these principles can change your life. Myron says… “If you want to create wealth in your business and for you and your family, you have to increase the rate in which you generate revenue. You have to increase the SPEED at which you generate profits.” Want to know how to do this? I hope you do, because this is THE KEY to creating wealth faster than you imagined. And you can implement this pretty quickly once you know the secret! Dive into this episode of Marketing Secrets for some Myron Golden magic! ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson and welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Right now, I am actually in the green room, the Two Comma Club Live Event. This is the second time I've done this event. It's been really, really cool. And one of the presentations I wanted and one of the content pieces I needed for the event for everything to make sense was from Myron Golden. And if you don't know who Myron is, he is literally one of the coolest people on this planet. And I asked Martin if he'd fly to Boise to come and give a 20 minute content piece to everybody. And he said yes, which was insane. So he came yesterday and he spoke, and it was just super powerful. But then afterwards, we're sitting in the back in the green room talking about a whole bunch of stuff. And I'm not going to lie, he dropped probably 20 gold bombs and I pick them all up, put them in my pocket. But there's one, I was like, "I want to share this one with everybody." So I'm going to hand the microphone over to Myron here in a second and he's going to tell you guys this concept that's going to help you understand money and wealth and speed and why and how you can use these things to make more money quicker and change your life faster. So with that said, we're going to queue up a theme song and when we come back, you'll have a chance to hear from Mr. Myron Golden. Myron Golden: Well, hello, everybody. Myron Golden here, and I am really, really honored to be on Russell's podcast. And he asked me to share this concept about wealth having a need for speed. Most people don't understand how wealth is actually measured. Most people think wealth is measured in money, but wealth is actually measured more in time than it is the money. For instance, if you make $1 million, are you rich? And the answer is, it depends. What does it depend on? Well, I'll tell. If you make $25,000 a year and you work for 40 years, that's $1 million. Are you rich? No. But if you make that same $1 million in one year, are you rich? You're not Bill Gates rich, but you're definitely at least 40 times richer than the person who makes $25,000 a year. And the amount of money that you made was exactly the same. The difference was how fast you made it. See, most people don't realize that they already make enough money, they just don't make the amount of money they make fast enough or often enough. So if you want to create wealth for your family in your business what you have to do is you have to increase the rate at which you generate revenue. You have to increase the speed at which you generate profits. That's how you create wealth. And so if you make a million dollars a month, you're 12 times richer than the person who makes a $1 million a year. If you make $1 million a week, you're 52 times richer than a person makes $1 million a year. If you make $1 million a day, you're 365 times richer than the person who makes $1 million a year. So increase the speed. See, you spend money all day, everyday. People say, "I don't spend money every day." Oh, you do. Do you have a refrigerator at your house? Do you have an air conditioner or a heater at your house? Do you drive your car or someone in your family drives your car? Do you have cable and electric and all these other utilities? You have insurance. You're spending money all day, every day, and you're only getting paid every now and then. That's your biggest problem. So one of the things you want to do is you want to figure out a way to speed up how you get paid. So here's the first thing you do. Get paid more often. Well, in order to get paid more often, one of the things you have to do is you have to separate your income generation from time. How do you do that? You stop selling your time for money and you start selling a product instead of a service. When you sell a service, it requires time to fulfill. You paint houses. You can only paint so many houses a week. You get three houses this week maybe you're happy, you have a team. But if you get 30 houses this week, now you have a headache because you can't fulfill. So you have to do is sell a product. Why? It takes no longer to sell 300,000 products than it does to sell one. I remember the biggest sale I ever made. I've sold 155,000 copies of my book, From The Trash Man To The Cash Man, but I sold 100,000 copies in 15 minutes to one guy who owned a company. He bought 100,000 copies of my book for me. That was one sale, 15 minutes, and I sold the exact same amount of products. I sold more products, more books in that one sale than all the other books I've sold put together. So when you have a product, you literally give yourself the ability to speed up the rate at which you earn revenue. So have a product, that's number one. Number two, increase your price. You say, "How does that speed it up?" Well, if you sell something right now for say $2,500 and you change the price to say $25,000, now you just earn 10 times the money in the same amount of time. Wealth has a need for speed. So you increase the price. The second thing you do is, increase the number of people you sell to at once. Right now, we're in the green room at Two Comma Club Live. Eight months ago, we were at Funnel Hacking Live. Russell made an offer to 5,000 people. And only if 1% of those people buy, it's a crazy, amazing day. It's 10% of those people buy, crazy town. So one of the things you want to do is you want to make your offer to more people. That's why Russell teaches you the Perfect Webinar, because it gives you the ability to do your presentation one on many. That way, if a whole bunch of people say yes, and a whole bunch of people say no, they're all saying it at the same time and you're getting a much better result. Wealth has a need for speed. I've got one client, Eileen. She came to me. She wanted to buy my coaching program. She put down a down payment. She put down $2,000. She came to me, she said, "Myron," and she needed $18,000 for the rest of the down payment, that was just for half, she came to me, she said, "Myron, I really want to work with you." She didn't come to me. She called me on the phone and she said, "Myron, I really want to work with you. I thought I was going to be able to get the money and I wasn't able to get it. What do I do?" I said, "What you do is you collapse timeframes and make more offers." I said, "Take the number of offers you usually do in a year, make that number of offers every month. Take the number of offers you do every month, make a number of offers every week. Take the number of offers you do every week, make that number of offers every day for the next 30 days and you will have the $18,000." She said, "Okay, I'm going to do it." Well, she called me and told me she didn't have the money. I had no reason to doubt her. She called me back in six days and said, "I have the $18,000. Where do you want me to send it?" What did she do? She collapsed timeframes. She took an offer that she had. She started offering it more. She raised the price, started offering it more often, and made $18,000 in six weeks, and since that time she's had six figure days because she figured it out that it's easier to make a lot of money in a short period of time than it is to make a little money over a long period of time. She sped up her revenue generation and increased the wealth of her family. They were able to buy their family a new house. They were able to go on great vacations all because she realized that wealth has a need for speed. Now, it's your turn. Speed up your income generation. Take your life to another level. Do a Perfect Webinar. Raise your prices. Do all of the things that Russell's telling you to do and you'll look in your rear view mirror one day and you'll say, "Wow, I can't believe I've come this far." My name is Myron Golden. If you want to follow me, I'm on Instagram at Myron Golden, and I'll see you over there for more content. Back to Russell Brunson. Russell Brunson: Dude. That was amazing. Thank you, Myron. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Go follow Myron on Instagram and listen to every single word he says. He is amazing. Anyway, I appreciate that. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. If you did, please take a screenshot on your phone and go tag me and Myron on Instagram. Post a picture of it, tag me and Myron. And do the same thing on Facebook. 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How quickly can you explain yours and identify others’ actual business model?… For years now, you’ve heard me go on and on about ‘hacking’; funnel hacking, design hacking, copy hacking, business model hacking… And still, some folks think that when I say ‘hacking’ they hear ‘stealing.’ Please understand that stealing is unethical! Hacking is NOT stealing. It’s not copying. It’s not duplicating. Hacking is ‘modeling.’ It’s taking a close look at what works, analyzing WHY and HOW it works and then using that model as a FRAMEWORK for your business, your funnel, your offer. Inside our company, we even look at industries OUTSIDE of the internet marketing space to see what’s working and we ask ourselves: “How can this work in OUR industry? It’s totally different than ours, but the PRINCIPLES are applicable to what we do. Let’s explore THAT!” So…how would you like to know how to ETHICALLY HACK (not steal) a super successful business, and apply it to YOUR business? Then DO NOT miss this episode of Marketing Secrets. ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets podcast. All right. As we all know, 2020's been insane, but now that we are rounding out the end of 2020, getting towards the end, I've got some really fun, and exciting, and cool things that I'm working on that I'm so excited for. Most of them I can't tell you about yet, unfortunately. It's coming soon. I promise. I will divulge everything in real time as soon as I am able to here on this podcast, but you guys have been behind the scenes with me now for six or seven years. Again, it's coming soon, but until it does come soon, until it's actually here, I can't tell you the details, but I can tell you what my mind is thinking about as I'm going into these things. I want to share with you guys some of my thoughts about funnel hacking, business models, and really what you need to do to be successful quickly in any business you decide you want to jump into. All right. What I want to talk about is just I spend so much time with you guys, with entrepreneurs talking about all these core concepts, the funnel hacking, and offer hacking, and design hacking, and all these things, right? Where we're looking at other businesses, looking at what they're doing, and trying to understand their models. The reason why is because... It drives me nuts because I get people, somebody like, "Oh, Russel says you should copy." I'm like, "That's not what I said." I never said to copy. I specifically said, "Don't copy. It's illegal and unethical." I said, "Look at business models." You try to understand what someone's doing, right? If I was going to get into the T-shirt business, I would go find out who are the top 10 most successful T-shirt business owners in the world, and see what they're doing. What are they doing? How are they structuring their funnel? Do they have upsells? Do they have downsells? Do they do a whole bunch of front ends? Do they have one front end with a lot of back ends? Is it a Shopify store? Is it ClickFunnels? Is it a funnel to a store? What's the model that's working today look like, right? I would study it. I would spend a lot of time figuring it out, and as soon as I saw it, I'm like, "Oh. That's it." It would be super easy and I would just model it, right? I'm not going to copy it. I'm going to say, "Okay. I can tell by based on these people who are making X amount of dollars a month or a year that they start with this, and they go from here, and they go from here." Now, I'm going to take my own T-shirts and my own designs. I'm going to use that structure and maybe the same pricing strategy, but I'm going to do my own thing. Right? That's kind of what funnel hacking is, but it's interesting because if you look at... I don't know. I think sometimes we all over-complicate this. There's not that many different business models, right? Depending on what business you're in, there's one or two business models, right? It's interesting. I think not enough people spend time just studying like, "What's this person's business model? Let me understand. What's this person's?" One of the things I do when I meet new people for the first time is literally I try to figure out their business model. That's the first set of questions I'm asking them. I'm like, "Okay. So, what do you sell? What's the price point? What's in the funnel? Do you have upsells? Do you do back end? What's the price point? How much money do you make? How much money do you make from this part versus this? What percentage of your revenue comes from here, versus here, versus here?" Within about five, 10 minutes I can usually get a really good snapshot of like, "Oh, that's what the business looks like? I understand it." Right? Then all I start doing is I'm interviewing people, and talking to people, and trying to figure things out. I'm looking at whose business model is the sexiest? Whose is the best, right? It was interesting. I'm not going to name names because I don't want everybody funnel hacking this person and everything, but there's a person I was hanging out with recently, and the first time I had a chance to meet this person, and super impressed with this person. I'll just keep saying that. Honestly, the person's awesome. Anyway, I kind of knew what their revenues were, and I knew what they were doing, and I started asking them questions. Within maybe five minutes or so, I saw their business model. I'm like, "That's it. What am I missing? There's got to be five ways to over-complicate this, right? What if I did this, or this, or this, or this?" They're like, "No. That's literally my business." I'm like, "Oh my gosh. It's so simple, and so brilliant, and so beautiful." It's like, I'm not in that business, but if I was going to do something kind of similar, I'd be like, "There's the structure. That's what the business model looks like. I do this. It drives to this and drives to this." Right? It was so exciting for me. As I'm working through these new projects, I'm like, "Okay. That person's business model fit really good in this business over here, right?" I can see it really quickly. Same kind of thing... I'll just show you guys a super easy example that might make this more tangible like Ben Settle. All you guys know Ben Settle. You've heard me talk about him. He's the guy who pioneered this concept of daily Seinfeld emails. He read the DotCom Secrets book. I talked about this, right? But Ben's business model is so simple, okay? Let me explain it. He's got a landing page that people opt into. When they opt into the landing page, they keep a free copy of his Email Players newsletter that he sells for $97 a month. You get a free issue. After that, he emails you every single day, and he sells you, in every single email every single day, the ability to sign up for his $97-a-month newsletter. That it. That's the business model, okay? He's done that now, send a email every single day, for as long as I've known him, which is almost a decade now. I don't think he's ever missed a day. He's so consistent, but his business model is drive traffic to the landing page. People give you a email address in exchange for a free issue of my newsletter. Then send a email every single day telling a story talking about my newsletter, and get them to buy my newsletter for $97 a month. That's it. That's the business model. Super simple. Super easy. Super non-complicated. That's it. If I was like, "Man, I want to be in a business where I have a print newsletter," it's like, "Okay. What's the business model? Oh, okay. I need a squeeze page. I need a free copy of my newsletter, probably the best one I got. Then every day I'm going to send a email talking about my newsletter." That's it. That's the business model, right? If I was launching a newsletter business like Ben Settle, his is teaching email copywriting. Maybe yours is teaching weight loss, or keto, or it's photography, or I don't know. Whatever your thing, it's that simple, right? Maybe you're like, "I don't really want a newsletter. I don't want to do a print newsletter, but I want to do a membership site." The same model, right? Just use Ben's model, but instead of selling a print newsletter, sell a membership site. Send a email every single day talking about something and pushing it back to the membership site, right? It's a simple model. It takes you 15 seconds. When I met Ben the first time, I asked him some questions like, "So, you do this, this, this?" Within five minutes I'm like, "Okay. I got it. That's the business model. It's so simple. It's super easy." Right? Then another thing that's kind of cool, this is what I've been noticing Ben do recently. He's been doing this print newsletter now for like a decade, right? Each newsletter has got kind of a theme, and so what he's been doing, which is awesome, is he's gone back through the last 10 years of print newsletters. He's like, "Oh, these 10 issues that I talked about how I deal with haters, right?" He took those 10 issues, put them together into a hardbound book, and he sells the hardbound book for like 500 bucks on like, "My top strategies for people when you have haters." That becomes a book. I know because I buy every one of them. I bought that one for 300 bucks, and he went back through. He was like, "Hey, here's 10 emails to do if..." They have to do with, I don't know, bad customer support. He's takes these five, 10, 15 print newsletters, publish, puts them together in one book, and sells the book now for 500 bucks. Right? He does it over, and over, and over again. He's just going through the back archives, putting them all together into a book based on a topic, and sells the book to the same people like me, who read all the newsletters. Loved the newsletter, and they're like, "Oh, I want the book version because that's really cool, too." Okay? That's his business model. It's so simple, right? You've got to think. Sometimes we over-complicate this. I know that I do because I get so excited by the business models, right? But there's this new business I am working on with some partners and some friends, and the first thing I did is we sat down and figured out what's the business model. Right? It's not even the funnel yet. It's just kind of almost a step ahead of that of just like, "Okay. What's the model going to look like?" I said, "Okay. We are going to do a summit to get initial exposure, right? Then from there we're going to have a software that's all about lead gen, and then from there we're going to have this product and this product." Right? A X-amount-of-dollar-a-month continuity program and then a X-amount-a-month high-ticket thing. That's it. That's the business. We know this is what we need to create. This is the things, it's the pieces, and we're doing that. We're executing on them, but that's the business model, right? For me, I'm curious if I was to sit down with you and say, "Okay. What's your business model?" Could you tell me what it is? I remember my very first mastermind meeting ever when I joined Dan Kennedy and Bill Glazer's mastermind group, each person had a chance to share their business. I got up and my business model was simple. I said, "Okay. I drive traffic to this free DVD page. People pay me 4.95 to get my free DVD in the mail. I then send them this DVD in the mail, and then 21 days later we call them on the phone, and then we sell them a $5,500 coaching package, and if for some reason... Oh, and then between when they buy this or they order the DVD and we call them 21 days later, I try to get them to initiate an inbound call. I have a email sequence basically asking them to call me." That was the business model, and we did that, $10 million plus in that business model. A free DVD. 21 days later, call them on the phone. Sell them the coaching program for 5,500 bucks. Rinse and repeat. Do it over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. Right? That was our model, okay? I explained it really quickly, and then people could help me tweak the intricacies like, "Oh, what if you did this? What if you did this, right? What if I asked them about the DVD, you had an upsell or a downsell?" All these things where funnels came from, but we didn't have that initially. It was just, free DVD. Call on the phone. Sell them $5,500 coaching. Done. That was the business model, right? ClickFunnels is really simple. This is the ClickFunnels business model, right? Somebody comes and they buy a book, free plus shipping. We had our upsells and downsells to try to break even our ad cost. From there, we then push people into the ClickFunnels auto webinar. We try to sell a $1,000 version of ClickFunnels. On the thank-you page, we give them a $1 trial... or excuse me, a free trial. Then our goal is either they buy the six-month access for 1,000 bucks or they get the free trial, and then they're in ClickFunnels. After they're in ClickFunnels, our goal is to get them from $97 a month to send up to 297 a month. Then we're at 297 a month, to get them to send up to $2,500 a month. That's ClickFunnels business model. That's it. Everything else is just appendages to that, right? That is the model. That is the structure, and again, there are funnels and intricacies inside of it, but the business really is simple. We're selling software, but we lead with a free book offer. From there, we push people to a webinar that sells the high-ticket version of the software. On the thank-you page, we sell the trial version of the software. After we get them in the software, then we try to send them up through our value ladder. Very simple. Very easy to explain. Our question for you, I want you to think through this, is what's your business model? Could you explain it really simply? Could you write it down on a napkin? If I was to sit down and start picking your brains like, "Okay. What do you do? Tell me this. Tell me this," within two to three minutes, could I get a pretty good idea of what your business model is? Okay? Number two is if either you've got that or you don't. If you don't, it's time to start thinking through, "What's my business model?" Right? Or number one, or yeah. If you're like, "Yeah. I do know that," then congratulations. You're a step further than most people. The second thing I want you to do is start doing this to other business owners. I want you to start picking their brains, but not in a way of... Just picking their brains just to figure out what their business model is and say, "Okay. Explain your business to me. You buy ads, right? What happens then? You buy the ads, and where does it go to? Okay. It goes to my whatever page. Okay. Then after they do that, then where's it go? And then what are you trying to do, and how much money does it make?" You just got to ask these, a couple of steps. Within two or three minutes, you'll know really closely exactly what their business model is. This is a fun exercise I want you guys to do and have some fun with. With that said, Norah just came in, and me and her- I'm wrestling a bear. Norah is wrestling a teddy bear on the floor. It's all stuffy and it's really big. It's a huge teddy bear. It's twice the size of her, and she's wrestling it, and we're about to go out swimming. So, I'm going to end this episode of the podcast, and that's your homework this time, you guys. Write it down for yourself what's your business model, and then go and ask at least one other business owner, if not more, what's their business model? What does it look like? Start asking the questions, and see how quickly you can get a glimpse of, "Oh, this is all they're doing." It's actually really simple, right? There's a lot of things in business, but how do we make this simple? I want to understand the business model, okay? Enjoy that. I appreciate you guys. Thanks so much for listening, and I'll talk to you soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After your funnel is live, the next question is “How do I get people to actually show up to my funnel?” This episode will give you some ideas. Now that the funnel is ready, it’s time to ATTRACT an audience–your ideal customers–to your funnel. One of my favorite ways to get traffic to your funnel is to create anticipation and desire. When a big Hollywood movie comes out, what happens? The movie star goes on “The Tonight Show” to talk about the movie. And then they show a cool clip of the movie to get you all excited so you WANT to go see the film! The movie star gets you all pumped up to BUY a ticket to the movie. It’s the same with your funnel. You can create the same DESIRE and ANTICIPATION to drive people to YOUR funnel! Want to know how to create this same “I gotta have this” desire for your product, service, or offer? Then check out this revealing episode of Marketing Secrets. ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back the Marketing Secrets podcast. Hope you're having an amazing day today. Today, I want to talk about all the things you do after your funnel is finished. A lot of people create a funnel, and they're waiting for money to come. No. That's where it begins, not where it ends. All right. So to start this one off, there's a funny quote I heard one time from somebody that said something to the effect of like, "I can't wait to get married because then I'll be at the end of all my problems." And there's this older, married couple who laughs, and they say, "Yeah, you just don't know which end it is." Is that the end? It's the beginning. And I think it's kind of funny. It's true in our world of entrepreneurship and building funnels, right. We go out there, and we spend all the time, and this effort, and we're like, "As soon as my funnel's done, then I'll make money. And then I'll be at the end." And you get the funnel done. And I came at the end, and me as an experienced marketer who's been doing this for a long time look at you and smile and says, "Yeah, you don't know which end. This is the beginning." Right? The funnel is the thing that converts to sale. Right? But it's not the thing that gets people to come to you. Right? And so that's kind of what I want to talk about today. And I'm going to lead back... I'm going to step back and put as a wrestling analogy because that's what wrestlers do. We talk about wrestling. So for those of you who are wrestlers, you know that to take somebody down, there's only a couple real take downs, right? There's a single leg, a double leg, and high crotch. Like that's 90% of the take downs. There's other things, but if you look at the highest level like Olympics and things like that, NCA, almost all of the take downs are one of those three. That's the majority of it. Right? So if you're looking at it from outside, you're like, "Oh, wrestling's really easy. I've just got to learn three moves." And from the outside, it looks like that. But the reality is for each of those moves, there's a hundred different ways to set it up and get into that move. Right? So there's so many things I can do to get a high crotch, or double leg, or single leg. There's a million things to do. And these are all setups. And so the skill comes in like... What are all the set ups? How do you do them? How do you do when someone goes here, or here, or here, or here? That's where the secret sauce comes from. Right? And so same thing is true in our world. Right? When you come to building funnels, there's not like an unlimited type, amount of funnels. There's about 10. If you read Dotcom Secrets book, I show them. These are them. Inside click funnels, I see over a 100,000 funnels. Of 100,000 clients, each one have multiple funnels. It's like millions of funnels I've looked at. And the majority of almost all funnels that generate any kind of revenue are one of these kinds of funnels. Right? So it's not like we've got to reinvent the wheel, or figure out the next thing. It's there. And if you don't know what those are, right, if you don't know what the double leg, single leg and high crotch is for funnel world, go read the new updated hard bound Dotcom Secrets book. They're all in there. There's no secret sauce. Like, they're there. You have those, you've got everything you need. Right? And so that's the first step. So the second step now is like, "Okay, how do we get people in? What are the setups? What all different ways that we get somebody to come in, and start buying that book?" Sorry, I'm looking at my book right now. Get them to come into my funnel, and buy whatever I'm selling. Right? So that's kind of the next step. That's what I want to talk about today, is just help you understand that when the funnel's done, now you're on the other side of it. So I've been doing this... And I talked about during, I think the last podcast episode, us launching the understand.me summit, which has been so cool. And it's been doing really well. We launched on the first day. We hit the 1 Comma Club on day number one. And my partners then started freaking out, they were so excited. And it's just... it's fun seeing it all come together. Right? And then... So what was fun is the summit launch. And they went to all the speakers, they promote it, a bunch of speakers promoted it. And then they're like, "Okay. Day two. What do we do now?" And I'm like, "Yes, you were at the end of your problems, but it's the beginning end. It's that end of it. Right? Now, we've got to figure out how do we keep promoting this? What are the things that we do?" And so... And again, there's tons. If you've read the Traffic Secrets book, you've seen I go through tons of different ways to do these things, right? And the reality is that the number of setups for a single leg are unlimited. The setups of the way to get someone in your funnel are unlimited. And you guys start being creative, start thinking about it. What are all the different things? Obviously, can go buy Facebook ads. You can buy Google ads. You can do those things. You can do things with like... they start getting creative. And so what I told our people, and so I'm giving you guys this as an idea, right? I said, "Okay, now a lot of speakers have promoted it. The next phase is how else we get them involved in this promotion? Like what other things we can do?" I said, "The first thing to do is we should interview them, right?" Like when a big new movie comes out in Hollywood, what do they do? They don't just go buy Facebook ads that tell people, "Show up." The actors who are in the show, they go on the road and they start going on the talk shows, right? They're on the Today Show, and the Tonight Show, and Good Morning America, telling the story of the movie, why it's going to be so good. They show a little clip of it, and get people excited. Right? It builds anticipation and desire. I said, "We've got to do the same thing with our summit, right? If you want people to come in, we've got to do the same thing. We've got to build the anticipation and desire, and get people fired up." And so my next assignment for Mike and Mandy was like, "Okay. Go back to all the speakers and say, 'Hey, can we do a Facebook Live on each of your fan pages?'" We can do the Facebook Live. And they said, "Sweet. What do we do on Facebook Live? Do we do another interview?" I'm like, "No, no, no, no. You're not doing an interview. You already did the interview. That's the content. That's what we're giving them. We don't want... The goal here is not to give people more content. It's to create the desire for the content. Right?" Think about like when you look at the Tonight Show and Robert Downey Jr. is coming to talk about End Game, he's not showing you the movie. He's not giving you the content. He's creating desire for the content. He's going to tell you some funny story about what happened while they were filming it. And he's like, "You guys want to see clip of it?" And he shows a little clip, and people are like, "Oh, I must go see the movie." Right? You call all your friends, like "Cancel all your plans," and you buy your tickets, and you're there. Right? Because it created a desire for the movie. Right? So all these setups, right, this set up is for single leg, this is the setup for your funnel. They're all things that create desire for the thing that's inside of your funnel. Right? And so I said, "When you do these interviews, they're not long, the short that's three, five minutes max." Right? And maybe 10, if you really want to go along, but I don't think it needs to be that long. Right? And so it's three to five minutes. And the question was like, "Hey, we're here today with so, and so. They're part of our understand.me summit. We're so excited. And a really quick, this guest, they specialize in blah, blah, blah, blah. And do you want to tell us really quick, why you got excited about this?" And the guest comes on like, "Oh yeah. So I got excited about this because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Right? Cool. "Now inside the summit, obviously you told us all your secrets about how you do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But tell us what's one quick thing that they're going to learn when they have a chance to listen to your presentation." Right? And the person's like, "Okay. Well, we went deep, but one cool thing they're going to learn, they're going to learn how to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Okay? Notice this, the person that said, "Let me walk you through the process." The person said, "In the summit, you're going to learn this thing." Right? So it's creating desire, is telling them what they're going to learn, not how to do the thing. Right? It's just like, "Here's what you're going to learn." So it gives them that little thing. And now they've got the hook. And then the last thing is for the host to be like, "Okay, now my favorite thing about your interview is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Right? And then everyone... And then they have a call to action. Like, "Okay, if you guys want to hear so-and-so's interview, go to whatever.com." And that's kind of how it was. Right? So I told them, "Go to all speakers and do that." And hopefully we can do it on their fan pages because if it is, then all of their fans are going to see this cool interview with that person pushing them back to their thing. Right? And so that's kind of the next phase of promotion. Okay? Again, those are all different setups, right, to get somebody in the leg. Now, you start thinking, "Okay. How else how can we amplify this? How else can we boost it?" And so my next thought is something similar to what we did when I did my interview with Tony Robbins, right? When I launched the Expert Secrets book, I was lucky enough to have Tony Robbins interview me on his fan page. So his fans saw the interview, which was crazy. But then when it was done, we called Tony's team, like, "Hey, a ton of people saw the interview. Can we get access to your ads account? And we'll actually pay for the ads to promote this interview to your people." And Tony's people were like, " What's in it for us?" I'm like, "Well, we'll pay for the ads, and you'll get affiliate commission. So there's there's money in it for you, and all this stuff." And they said, "Sure." So they let us have access to the ads account. We promoted Tony's interview to Tony's people. And that video ended up being seen by over 3.5 million people. Right? Another setup to get more people now to watch the presentation, which gets them then to come to the funnel. Right? So it's just like always taking it to the next step, and the next step, and the next step further. And so that's the next step for us. It's like, "Okay, now, after we've done the interview, let's see if we can promote that to their following and get more noise out there to create more desire for people to come back into our funnels." Okay. And so again, this is just one little strategy. There's a million of them. I just want you guys thinking differently, right? I want you guys thinking differently, besides just, "Hey, my funnel's done. Now what?" Like... Okay, now it's done. What do they do in Hollywood? They take the show on the road, the actors, the people so if it's your product, you should be going on the road, getting interviewed, doing things like that. If there's people in your product, you should be in their fan pages, and getting... interviewing them on their fan pages to get people to come back. There's so many things you can do. If you've got success stories, if you've got students who had success with your product, you can go on their fan pages, their personal pages and interview them about their success story. And then use that as an ad. I remember when Kaelin Poulin was building LadyBoss, I remember she told me she was like... There's a segment of the market that loves her. Right? They're like, "I love Kaelin. She's amazing." And they just listen to her. But she's like... Because you know... If you know Kaelin, this is getting back when she was first getting started. She had her nose pierced, tattoos, she kind of had this edgy feel. And so some people loved that, but she was like, "A lot of the moms didn't connect to me very well." And so she's like, "I understood that. So I was like, how do I open up my, my business to those... I want to attract those people, and I can serve them, but they just don't connect with me as close as you know right now." And so she said, "Well, who of my customers are moms who'd gone through the program and had success?" And she found a couple of them. And she said, "Can I interview you about your success story?" And they said, "Yeah." And so... it's kind of a cool story. She actually went through the Expert Secrets book and took the Epiphany Bridge script questions. And she sent it to all of these women, and said, "Okay, I want you to write your story, answer these eight questions." Right? And took the eight questions from the Expert Secrets book, and filled them out. So like, what's your backstory? What was the... blah, blah, blah. They filled out the questions. And then Kaelin got on the interview, and interviewed them on Facebook Live, asked them the questions. The women got them emotional, and all of a sudden had Kaelin interviewing a mom who had gone through a program that had success. And then Kaelin interviewing a guy who'd gone through it. Maybe that wasn't true. I don't think she lets guys in. Anyway, but you know what I mean. All these different people in different segments that weren't Kaelin. And then they took those videos of the interviews, and those became ads that targeted that demographic. And all of a sudden that demographic was like, "I know I may not connect with Kaelin, but man, I connect with the person that Kaelin helped, and because of that, now I connect with Kaelin." Right? And it starts opening up this huge, new markets, new doors for you. So I'm telling you this because I just want you guys thinking differently. Right? There's so many ways to do this. It's just being creative and starting to have fun with this. Okay? There's the art and the science of funnel building, right? The science is like, "This is the funnel structure." Dotcom Secrets is like, "Here's the science. You build the funnel distractions. It's how it works." Expert Secrets gets into the art of like the messaging inside the funnel, and Traffic Secrets is the art of how do you get the ads out there? You know? And in Traffic, there's art and science. There's how do you do the placements, those kind of things. But there's the art of how do I create things? How do I find things that are interesting? How do I get people's attention? And that's where it gets fun. So, anyhoo, I just wanted to share some of those ideas with you guys, mostly to stimulate your brains today, and get you guys thinking differently. Okay? Because if your funnel's done and it's launched, you're at the end of all your problems, but you're about to find out it's the other end. It's the beginning. And it's time to start learning the traffic side of this game, and start having fun with that as well. So with that said, that yes, I appreciate you all. Have an amazing day, and I'll talk to you again soon. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. 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