In this episode, Russell and Alison answer the question "How long do you stick with a product that's not working?". Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing Hey there! So, you're diving into this podcast where Russell Brunson and Alison Prince tackle a common question: When should you call it quits on a product that just isn't selling? It's a dilemma many entrepreneurs face, and their insights shed light on a crucial aspect of business strategy. Russell starts off by sharing anecdotes, including one about a friend who persisted with a product for years, only to find minimal success. He emphasizes the fine line between perseverance and recognizing a "dead duck." Sometimes, a product needs a pivot in positioning rather than a complete overhaul. Denise chimes in with her own experience, having switched gears after realizing her initial product wasn't hitting the mark. She's now venturing into a new area that aligns more with her passion. But she's still unsure about how long to give a new product before calling it quits, especially when it comes to specific offerings like a cookbook. Russell and Alison offer valuable advice, stressing the importance of positioning. They highlight how sometimes it's not the product itself that's the issue but rather how it's presented to the market. A simple tweak in messaging or target audience can make all the difference. In the end, Denise feels reinvigorated, ready to tackle both her new venture and potentially revisit her previous product with a fresh perspective. It's a testament to the power of strategic thinking and the value of seeking advice from experienced mentors like Russell and Alison. The conversation wraps up on a high note, with everyone energized by the exchange of ideas. It's clear that these "hot seats" are not only informative but also incredibly inspiring for all involved. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In another episode from the recent "Ecomm Vs Expert Smackdown" event, Russell and Alison discuss the importance of selling your vision and how doing that will actually sell your product. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- In Russell Brunson's Marketing Secrets podcast, a Q&A session is held to explore the potency of selling a vision rather than a product. This concept is exemplified by Alison's presentation at an e-commerce event, where wood blocks are transformed into desirable items through creative visualization. The importance of entrepreneurs embracing this mindset to boost sales is emphasized by Russell. Advice is sought by Andrea on promoting home cooking to parents through an e-book. Despite having a large Instagram following, she struggles to convert Latin moms. Recommendations are given by Russell and Alison to shift the focus from easy cooking to emotional connection. The use of Instagram to drive traffic to her email list is suggested, emphasizing its effectiveness for sales. Consistent email communication is highlighted as crucial, with Russell sharing his experiences and stressing its long-term impact. Practical tips on crafting engaging email content are offered by Alison. Gratitude is expressed by Andrea, who pledges to implement the advice to enhance her marketing strategy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode from the recent "Ecomm Vs Expert Smackdown" event, Russell and Alison answer a question about how to balance family and business in your life. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Hey, what's up everybody? We're back to Q&A's here on the Marketing Seekers podcast. The question for today's episode, again, came from the Ecomm versus Expert Smackdown with Alison Prince and I. And during that event, we opened it up for questions and you guys asked them and we gave answers. So this next one was about how do you make time for, if you have a busy life, like how many of you guys have a busy life? You got family, you got work, you got all these things. How do you do business and family and church and all the things? How do you juggle all the things and don't go crazy? So that is the question for today. And both Alison and I tag team this one to give you guys some answers that hopefully will help. Again, they're not something that we're flawless at or perfect. I'm definitely not, maybe Alison is, she probably is. But something that I've been learning and I've been... That I've had to do to be able to try to do all the things. We always want to have it all. How do I have a business and a family and my church responsibilities and I want to read books and I want to have fun and I want to... All the things. How do you do it all? So hopefully this question will help answer the way that Allison and I look at things, and hopefully it'll give you nugget or two to help you on your journey as well. So that said, we're going to queue up the theme song. When you come back, you have a chance to hear Alison and I talking about how in the world we make time for family and business and church and all the things at the same time. Brent Coppieters: Another question from Kathy that we pulled off, she says, "I have loved every moment of this event so far. I have an extremely busy family that is always on the go with work, family life, and church. I want to ask how you manage to have time for your business and your family." Russell: Good question. We can both probably answer this really well. Alison Prince: Yeah. Russell: My life right now, just so you guys are fully aware, is insanely busy, too. I'm in the middle wrestling season. I'm one of my kids wrestling coaches so every single day at 2:30, besides yesterday, but today I'm leaving as well, I pack up everything and I run and from 2:30 till 6:30 I'm at the gym with my kids wrestling. That on top of running 'Click Funnels' and 'Magnetic Marketing' and 'Marketing Secrets' and my church calling, so I get it. Life is busy and I've got five kids and there's also soccer games and all the other things. It comes down to a couple things. Number one is prioritizing your calendar, where do things actually fit in? And number two is becoming really good at being present, like I am here and I am present. I'm a hundred percent with you guys. I'm not over here on wrestling practice right now or my family... I'm here a hundred percent. And when I go home, I'm with my family a hundred percent. When I'm at my office, I'm a hundred percent. Most people are splitting their brain power between five different things. They're at work, but they're also worried about this over here and they're not being present. And for me, it's like, I have my calendar and I say, okay, for me, I have to get up earlier to get everything done. Especially during the wrestling season, it's really hard for me. So I get up between five and seven depending on what I need to get done. So that time's there, it's blocked out and it's usually writing time. I need to write during this time. And then from seven till like 8:30, that's when I'm waking my kids up, I'm driving them to school. I want to be the dad who drives my kids to school. So that time it's like, computers off, everything's off, and I'm in the car driving kids back and forth because I have kids in every school, they don't all go to the same school. So it's like back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. And then I get done, I got a 30 minute shower and then boom at the office. And from this time, this time, I'm work mode and I'm doing work, I'm getting work done. And it's like, I'm able to be present in that moment. I think for most people, it's figuring out I got to schedule the time or it's not going to happen. I know the time my wife and I have, this is the time my wife and I have to spend together and it's blocked out, it's scheduled, I'm present when I'm there as much as I can. And I'm not perfect with this. I would be lying if I was like, "Oh, I'm flawless." But I try to do it that way where I figure out in Google calendars, I block out this is when this happens, this happens, this happens. And in those windows, I try to be a hundred percent present, on the thing and so I can get the work done. And if you think about this, a couple times a year this happens, where like my wife and I are flying somewhere, flying to Hawaii for a family trip or something. I got a two hour window in the morning to get work done. And when I come in and for two hours, I go as fast as I can. I can get more done in a two hour window than typically I would get done in an eight hour day. Why? It's because there's time that's compressed and I'm present. And so for me, it's like, I got to be living my life that way all the time so I can get everything done I'm trying to get done. So it's like compressed time, being present, and you get so much more done than you'd ever believed. That's kind of my hacks. Alison: That's so good. I call them 'power hours.' And it is, it's putting that limited time and you get so much more done in there. But think of it this way, too. We're both super busy, right? We understand it. And so this program is actually designed for busy people, because if we can teach you how to do this when you're busy, imagine what's going to happen when it's not busy. And so we didn't design this to go slow, to... I don't know, dawdle around. We designed this for busy people and we show you... I talk about 'power hours' all the time and how to set them and make them like... I think of it like when I schedule a hair appointment, you probably don't have this problem, but when I schedule a hair appointment, I will not miss that hair appointment for anything. If I have a broken leg, I'm still going to show up because it takes two to three months to get in. And if we can treat those 'power hours' like that, then that's when magic happens. And so again, we teach you how to do it on a busy schedule so that you can make this happen. We help you to build those habits that keep you going over and over and over again. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Another question from the recent "Ecomm Vs Expert Smackdown". Russell and Alison talk about college and entrepreneurship and which one they feel is more valuable. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Hey, this is Russell, and welcome back to the Marketing Skills podcast. You guys have really been enjoying these Q and A's, so we got a couple more for you. And again, these came from the e-comm versus experts Smack Down Allison Prince and I did. Hopefully had a chance to attend that event. If you didn't, come on now, do you hate money that bad? Like we put on these amazing events, we kill ourselves, we prepare for months at a time to put these things on for you, and then you were too busy or you didn't take the time off. Come on, you got to be there. There's gold every single time. Anyway, the event was amazing, and we did a whole day of Q and A's and stuff. There's goal every single time. Anyway, the event was amazing and we got some, we did a whole day like Q and A's and stuff. A lot of really good ones came through. This one was one that's interesting. I'm titling this episode College Versus Entrepreneurship. But the questions you'll see with somebody who's about to graduate from college, has spent all the time, energy, and money doing this thing, but then they're not passionate about what they're learning. They are passionate about being an entrepreneur, like what do I do? I think for a lot of you guys you're in some version of that, right? Most people don't start entrepreneurship on day number one. You've done something, you've pursued something, you have a career, you have a business, you have a family, you have something first, and you're not happy. You're looking for where to go from there. Hopefully the Q and A from this session will help you if that's where you're at. All right, with that said, we'll cue up the theme song, when we come back we're going to discuss college versus entrepreneurship. Brent Coppieters: First off is from Austin Lark. He says, "I'm so torn. I am just about to graduate from college, and I am not passionate about what I have studied. I feel drawn to life as an entrepreneur. What advice would you give someone like myself?" Alison Prince: Do you want to take it or do you want me to? Russell: We can tag team this. So good news, I remember going through my college. I went to college because I wanted to wrestle, so that was the thing. I got my degree, and I remember at my graduation sitting out, had cap and gown, all these things on. I remember luckily for me I had started my business at the time, but I remember looking around at everybody else, and they're all celebrating inside, and I was like, I didn't actually learn anything of value. I have no valuable skills. If I was these guys I would be so scared knowing that they had to go out the next day and use what they learned to actually get paid money. I was so grateful I had this thing. I think for you, I wouldn't look at it as a negative thing. My college time was amazing because I got to wrestle, I met my wife, all the amazing things happened, friendships. But man, I was so grateful that I had this thing that I was looking for, that I was doing, and it wasn't big at the time, but I had started, and I was like okay, now this is the direction I want to go with my life. I think if I was you, and I don't know your situation, life, what you're doing or where you're at, but I would be excited that I had a chance to experience the college life, I got to do all those kind of things, but now I've been given this gift where I know what to do and I know what to do with my future. I remember looking over, because my degree was computer information systems. I was going to be a programmer. Alison: You were? Russell: Yeah. I can't program anything. And I remember everyone that was on my row at graduation, they were all in my class. I was like we didn't learn how to... I have a degree, I don't know how to program anything. And these guys got the same degree and they're supposed to go to like real companies and ask for jobs to do the this thing. I was like man they still have to go and learn all this stuff on the job anyway. They didn't actually get anything that was going to be helpful, at least in my degree. My guess is, for most of you guys, especially if you're going through college, you probably don't have the skill set anyway. You're going to have to learn it on the job anyway. Might as well start doing that next to the learning on the job on something that you're passionate about, that's going to be for you. That would be kind of my feedback. I don't know. Alison: One thing that I've learned and I've thought is super fun, I've actually watched a lot of people do this is the whole ability to sell. We actually have to use this all the time. Not just in our business, we buy houses, we buy cars, some of you buy motorcycles, right? And then we have to sell it and then we go buy the next thing. And you can actually use this process all the time. Because we're constantly buying things. Right? I had one student, this was before the big housing boom where houses were not selling at all, and she used the process of selling. Her house had sat on the market for a long time, wasn't moving. She went to the realtor and says, "Can I just tweak something?" She went in wrote up a new description, within 24 hours, she had not only a full price offer from three people. Someone paid over $30,000 more because of the description. And so the stuff that we're teaching is more... It's so good for business, yes, and get you going, but you need this stuff in everyday life. Why isn't this stuff taught in regular schooling? I don't understand because this is what we have to have to survive as adults. Russell: Yeah. Sales, persuasion, all those kind of things for sure. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russell and Alison answer another question from the recent “Ecomm Vs Expert Smackdown”.  Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Hey everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I'm back with some more Q&As from the e-com expert SmackDown that Alison Prince and I did last week, and this next question was a really fun one. The question they asked was, as they're pursuing their business, how do they choose between their head and their heart? This person asked a question, their heart had an idea and a passionate thing they wanted to do, but they didn't know if they saw the clear path. How is it was going to make money? How is it going to do all these things versus their head. Oh, there's other ways I can do this that are very numbers based. I can make money faster and all those things. The question was, how do I choose between my head and my heart? So I think it's something a lot of us struggle with because all of us have these missions, right? We're called on this mission. Then part of it's like, oh, I got to make a bunch of money. And the yin yang between that, and how do you figure it out, and what do you do, and which one do you follow? Do you follow your head or your heart? So I think that this question was very relevant and timely for most of us, and hopefully for you, and hopefully my answers and what Alison and I give back will be useful for you as well. So that said, we're going to queue up the theme song when we get back. You have a chance to answer this question. How do you choose between your head and your heart? Brent Coppieters: This is from John. He says, "How do I choose between my head and my heart? My heart tells me that I should pursue one direction, vision, and path. And this feels like my calling from God to empower men, in particular husbands, to overcome destructive, addictive behaviors. But my head says that I should pick a more practical direction, a product or some other safe bet. How do I go all in and follow my heart when self-doubt and fear are so strong?" Russell: People look at my business today and they're like, "Oh, Russell, you picked such a good market. You picked funnels." And, of course, that's the big thing. This is amazing. But I want to rewind back 18 years ago. 18 years ago I started learning about this and I was like, "This is the greatest thing in the world!" And I started telling everybody. I told my mom about it, my friends about it, my family about it, and they're like, "Oh, he's crazy," right? And I was like, "None of my friends want to know about this. I gotta tell someone about it. So Brent was here for this. I literally bought radio ads in Boise, Idaho saying, "I'm doing an event talking about marketing and sales funnels, and how you can grow a business online. Dah, dah, dah, dah." I ran radio ads because I was so excited about this topic. And guess what? We got a dozen people who responded to radio ads. Like sweet, rented a Holiday Inn. We got things set up. I got there. I had a presentation. I had my shirt and tie on. I was all ready. People showed up for the event. The first event was supposed to have, I don't know, 50-60 people that had RSVPd from the radio ad. Two people walked in and I was like, "Oh, crap." And I'm like, "Well, we should wait a minute or two to see if anybody else comes in." And then no one came in. I'm like, "Well, all right." And so I did a presentation to two people talking about funnels. And then two hours later, the next group was supposed to come in, like one person came. The next group, three people came in. So that day I was expecting to teach a bunch of people about funnels, but nobody cared. But guess what? I didn't care because I loved it. I was obsessed about it. I was passionate about it. So I talked about it, I talked to about it, I talked about it even though nobody was there. Then I did another event and guess what? Nobody showed up. I did another event and very few people showed up. I did another one and another one and another one, and I did it because I care about the topic, because I'm obsessed with it. I did it because I loved it, and I would've done it even if nobody ever showed up. Now, guess what? Because I love about it so much and I kept doing it and kept doing it, this is the heart stuff. I kept doing it and kept doing it and kept doing it, eventually other people started getting excited. Other people started seeing the vision. Other people started showing up. And now 18 years later, you go to Funnel Hacking LIVE and there's 6,000 crazy people in the stands who are all obsessed with funnels like, "Oh Russell, you're a genius. You picked the greatest market ever." No, I picked a market that was not there, but I was obsessed about it and I cared about it. And so for you... What's his name? John? Brent: Yeah. Russell: If you're excited, if you're passionate about that, don't... If you're going to say, "What's going to make me the most money the fasted?" Don't go that way. Look at like, what do I actually care about? Funnels are not making me the most money the fastest by any stretch, but it was my art. It's what I cared about, it's what I wanted to do all day. All I wanted to do all day is talk about funnels. And there was no market. Nobody cared about it, but I kept talking and kept talking until people cared about it. And that's what we have to do, especially on the expert side. If you're excited by it, this is your art, this is how you're called to change the world... Like your people might not be ready for you, but you might not be ready either. Most people who came to my event 18 years ago in the Holiday Inn in Boise, Idaho with the two other people you'd have been like, "That guy has no idea what he was talking about," right? Because I didn't understand my framework, so I didn't know how to talk. I was awkward. I was nervous. I was all the things. I wasn't ready either, but I would never become ready if I didn't start. And I kept talking about, I kept talking about. So this is the heart stuff. If you love this, if this is your art, this is your passion, this is your mission, you've got to go out there and start doing it. Start talking today. That's why I always tell of people, if you want to do this, start publishing somewhere. It can be a blog or a podcast or a video, just doing something, because a couple things will happen. Number one, you're going to feel awkward when you first start because you're like, "Oh, nobody's even listening." And the good news is that at the very beginning, you're probably going to suck, and so it's good news that nobody's listening, okay? But if you keep doing it consistently, eventually you're actually going to get good. And the longer you do it, the longer your dream clients, the people you've been called to serve, will have to actually find you. In Traffic Secrets, I'll probably mess up the quote, but Nathan Barry wrote a blog post and I quoted it in the Traffic Secrets book, but it was called endure long enough to get noticed. In the blog post he talked about how most of us... There's so much content between Netflix and Disney blog, all the shows. There's so much content happening that most of us don't jump on the new show. We wait for season one, season two, season three. If after season three or four people are still talking about it, then we're like, "Okay, I'm going to go dive into this thing because it's endured long enough to get noticed." And the biggest thing is true for us as well. At first, no one's going to pay attention. But you keep doing it, you keep doing it. And if you are willing to out survive it because you're so passionate about your art, and you keep doing it, and you keep doing it, and you endure long enough, then your people have a chance to find you. So that's the key. Don't do the practical thing like, "Oh, I'm going to go get a doctor's degree," or whatever. Do the heart thing, but don't do it because I'm trying to start a business right now. Do it because you are actually called, because you love the people, because you want to change their lives. And if you keep doing it, and you're passionate, and keep talking about it, eventually they'll come. But you’ve got to double down. Alison Prince: Can I ask you a question? Do you think your passion helped you to get through the hard days, to help you to keep showing up, versus let's say you are an accountant. You're like, "Oh, I got to show up again." Do you think showing up from your heart versus your head helps you to get through the harder times? Russell: 100%. Your head... Yeah, yeah. Because for me, again, it wasn't... I think you're the same way. Whether you made money on this or not, you're here to serve people because you love this. You change your life. You want to change... That's the biggest thing is the heart is like it doesn't matter if it succeeds or it fails. Some days we have big sales days. Some days we have no sales days. But we keep showing up because this is my calling. This is something that I believe in. I'm so passionate about it. Even if somebody doesn't buy something, but they hear something that gives them that shift, that means the world to me. But if it's in your head, maybe you'd make more money in the short term, but in the long term... The legacy flows through our VIPs... I did a private session to you guys yesterday morning talking about our Super Bowl goals and things like that. You want to hit what is your Hall of Fame goal? It's going to be hard to hit up here. It's going to be coming from here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the recent "Ecomm Vs Expert Smackdown" event, a question about imposter syndrome was posed by Ben Moote. Russell Brunson introduces the Q&A segment from the event on his Marketing Secrets podcast, highlighting the relevance of the topic for everyone in their career journey. Ben shares his struggle with imposter syndrome, expressing how deeply ingrained beliefs of scarcity and unworthiness have affected his opportunities and relationships. He seeks advice on overcoming this negativity to move forward. Russell responds by acknowledging his own experiences with imposter syndrome, revealing that he still faces it despite his success. He emphasizes the importance of shifting focus from oneself to serving others. Russell shares his personal coping mechanism of prayer and focusing on the audience's needs rather than his own insecurities. Alison Prince recounts her initial fear of public speaking and how she visualizes passing her fear to someone else, like Russell, before going on stage. She shares how this technique has helped her overcome her nerves. Russell adds that having support systems like momentum coaches can be crucial in dealing with imposter syndrome and other limiting beliefs. These coaches provide guidance and help entrepreneurs navigate their challenges. Alison underscores the value of momentum coaches in providing support and guidance tailored to entrepreneurs' needs. She shares her gratitude for the opportunity to work with individuals who are willing to take risks and make positive changes in their lives. The conversation highlights the ongoing nature of personal growth and the importance of having support systems in place to navigate challenges and achieve success in entrepreneurship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a recent episode of his podcast, Russell Brunson discusses the pursuit of worldly goals and shares a powerful message he received from Brooke Castillo on the topic. Russell begins by introducing Brooke Castillo, an entrepreneur who has built a successful coaching business. He highlights her impact in certifying coaches and praises the quality of individuals who go through her program. He then delves into the topic of pursuing worldly goals, acknowledging the challenges associated with it, especially within certain cultural and religious contexts. Russell reflects on his own journey and how hiring a coach helped him align his business goals with his spiritual mission. Russell shares Brooke's message, emphasizing the importance of worldly goals in personal evolution. He highlights how setting ambitious goals requires overcoming self-doubt, fear, and societal pressures, ultimately leading to personal growth. Brooke's message underscores the idea that individuals are inherently worthy and capable of pursuing their desires. She encourages embracing discomfort as a sign of progress and emphasizes the significance of pursuing big goals. Russell relates this message to biblical teachings, particularly the parable of the talents, which illustrates the importance of utilizing one's gifts and talents to their fullest potential. He concludes by affirming that individuals are called to pursue greatness, even if they feel unworthy or unprepared. Russell encourages listeners to step into their potential and embrace their desires, acknowledging that the journey of personal growth is ongoing. Overall, Russell's discussion highlights the transformative power of pursuing worldly goals and the importance of aligning personal aspirations with one's spiritual journey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode Russell dives deeper into goal setting, which goals to pick, why to pick them, and a whole bunch of other cool stuff. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell's podcast episode is packed with valuable insights on setting and achieving goals. He breaks it down into two main concepts: the Hall of Fame goal and the Super Bowl goal. The Hall of Fame goal is like a long-term vision, reflecting who you want to become and be remembered as. Russell emphasizes the importance of identifying role models or mentors whose characteristics you admire and aspire to embody. By setting this overarching goal, you establish a direction for your personal growth and contribution to others. On the other hand, the Super Bowl goal is more tangible and time-bound. It's about achieving specific milestones or accomplishments that contribute to your overall vision. Russell suggests applying the concept of definiteness of purpose to these goals, meaning having a clear and specific plan to achieve them. Throughout the episode, Russell emphasizes the importance of having a definite purpose, whether it's in personal growth, business, or contribution to others. He also touches on the significance of understanding and meeting your basic needs, as outlined by Tony Robbins' six human needs framework, before focusing on growth and contribution. Overall, Russell encourages listeners to think deeply about their goals, both in terms of who they want to become and what they want to achieve, and to approach goal-setting with clarity, purpose, and a strategic plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Check out this fax that Dan Kennedy sent to his Diamond Members talking about Batman, success, and a whole bunch of other really cool things. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everyone? This is Russell Brunson and I'm excited. Today's episode is going to be a little bit different. Right now, I'm working on a project with Dan Kennedy. And for years, he used to send a weekly fax to his diamond members. And right now, we're putting all of those into a book. And there's a bunch of cool things happening with it. It's insane. But one of the faxes, I just stumbled upon it and the title caught me. I had to read it. And then it was so good, I wanted to read it to you. So the title of this fax from Dan Kennedy is called, Parables of The Batman. All right, so like I said, I'm working on this project with Dan Kennedy. We're putting together all his faxes. People used to pay $297 a month to be a diamond member. They still do, actually. Sorry. And in that program for the five, or six, or seven-year period of time, Dan would send them a weekly fax. And I found in the archives all these faxes. They're insanely cool. Dan's thoughts on whatever he was thinking about that week, it was literally fun. And so we're actually putting them together into a book that eventually, we'll be giving to all diamond members. So if you want more of these, you need to upgrade to become a magnetic marketing diamond member here in the future. That'll be the bribe, is giving everyone this book of all of Dan's faxes from a seven-year window. But anyway, as I'm going through the book, I found this one. Obviously, you guys know I'm a superhero fan. I'm a Batman fan. I'm all the things. And so this fax, as I was scrolling through the book before we sent it out to print, the title of this fax was called, Parables of The Batman. And so, of course, I had to read it. And it was so cool, I wanted to read it to you, too. So here we go. This is in Dan's words from his fax. He said, "I finally got around to watching The Dark Knight Rises, the third, final and only disappointing film in the trilogy produced by Christopher Nolan. In it, there is a hell-hole of a prison deep beneath the earth's surface, featuring the ultimate cruelty, impossible hope. There's a tall tower carved out of the rock, rising several stories to the surface. Blue skies visible when standing at its bottom, looking straight up. Prisoners are free to attempt climbing up and out. And they do from time to time, with a rope tied around their waist to catch them bungee-style before they fall to their death. There's a legend known to all the suffering prisoners passed from one generation to the next about the only person who ever succeeded at this escape, a child." "It is in this subterraneal hell that a crippled Batman, i.e., Bruce Wayne, has been left to die. After a brutally-difficult, primitive-managed rehab, he attempts and fails in this escape. Not once, but twice. At point of surrender, an aged prisoner, who has befriended him, tells him the secret of the child who did successfully clamor up the entire tower and escaped. The child climbed without the rope. The weight of the rope, more the embedded thought created by wearing the rope, that one is going to fall is just enough burden to ensure failure. The old man says that to have a chance you must climb without the rope. This is a remarkable success parable buried deep in the film that few will notice." "Most people try to achieve various lofty ambitions, perhaps the greatest of which is freedom and autonomy, while still dragging contrary conventions, industry norms, counterproductive beliefs, slothful behaviors, et cetera, tied to them by a heavy rope. The higher they try to climb, the heavier the burden of the rope. I first taught this in the early 1980s as a simplified cycle cybernetic concept, in terms of the importance of a bountiful garden and pulling weeds, not just planting flowers. I'm often asked that, to be super successful must I lose my friends? If your friends are unambitious, or delusional, or toxic, then yes, they must be left behind. You must sever your ties to all the ordinary ideas, and behaviors, and business practices of the masses, of the majorities. You must climb without the rope." "The Batman himself is a parable. He is unlike most other costumed superheroes. As I pointed out before, Superman is an alien from outer space and that is the source of his superhuman powers. Spider-Man was bitten by a radioactive spider, et cetera. Most superheroes come from a distant planet and are gifted powers by unworldly beings, the Green Lantern, for example, or science experiments gone wrong or accidents like spideys. Few have no superpowers at all, but simply decided to make themselves into superheroes. The Batman is a creature entirely of Bruce Wayne's decision. If the genealogy of such things interests you, the predecessor closest is the Shadow. Further, The Batman made himself into a master detective and an extraordinary athlete, martial artist, fighter and an intimidating personality." "Anyway, there's probably a rope tied around your waist. Perhaps thinned by use, skinny as twine. Perhaps thicker and heavier than the huge rope tied to the steamship's anchors. You might want to pull on it and examine all that's tied to the other end. Shedding dead weight eases the speed of the journey. Oh, and the heaviest dead weights are never things or people. They are thoughts and beliefs." Oh man, you got Dan Kennedy talking about Batman, and superheroes, and personal development. What more could you want? All in one amazing fax. So any of you guys who eventually, someday get the Dan Kennedy fax book, The Batman fax is on page number 79. Hope you guys enjoyed this one. And I'm going to keep bringing you guys cool stuff I learn from Dan. Thanks, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The secrets of transforming your identity into an actual obsession. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to The Marketing Series Podcast. Today, we're going to be going even a little bit deeper, talking about identity. All right, I know I talked about this stuff a lot, but it's in my head on my mind a lot. I think sometimes we talk about a topic and then we're like, oh yeah, I know what that is. So the topic we're talking about is identity shifting again. And I've talked about it in so many different ways. Like we talked at it from a marketing standpoint, like with your audience, you've got to create an identity shift if you truly want them to move and follow. In goal setting, we talked about you have to have an identity shift if you want to actually move and change. But I had a weird realization over the last probably 48 hours or so. So those who don't know, my life right now, and we're in the middle of wrestling season. I help coach the kids high school team. So every day at 2:30, I leave the office, race over to the school, and I coach. And it's kind of weird, because I'm not the head coach. I'm there just kind of wrestle my kids, and help people, and whatever. But it brings back all the memories of when you were doing it, right? When you were wrestling, and when you were competing. And for me, it was like, man, wrestling was my life. Like it was the only thing that mattered. There was nothing else. There wasn't like a number two or number three. It was like wrestling and then nothing else. And it's interesting because I watched the kids now, we've got some really good wrestlers on our team, but I think it was two days ago, maybe three days ago, I had this realization. I said there's a difference between people who are wrestling and someone who is a wrestler. And I was looking, because most of the people on the team are here and they're wrestling. They come to practice every day, they wrestle. Then they go to the matches, they go to the tournaments. They do stuff and they wrestle. They're wrestling. But there's a difference between just wrestling and then those who are wrestlers. Right? And it was interesting, because last night my high school I grew up in, it's Hillcrest High School in Sandy, Utah. Every year there's this rivalry against Brighton High School. We hate Brighton. And Brighton's the big... It's Hillcrest versus Brighton. And I think it was like 40 or 50 years ago, they started this thing called the Battle of the Ax. And so they had this huge Ax. And each year, whoever wins the dome gets to keep the Ax. And so when I was a senior in high school, we had lost the ax like 13 or 14 years in a row. And our senior year, we were a really, really good team. And my senior year we actually won the Battle of the Ax. And what's crazy cool is last night, Hillcrest won the Battle of the Ax again, for the first time in 24 years. First time since I was a senior in high school. And so I saw that on Facebook, someone posted it. So I got all excited. And so I started going back through all my old video files. And I found videos of me wrestling in the Battle of the Ax. And then us winning the ax, and us going crazy, and videos of the ax and like all these things. And so it's kind of fun, I went and took some little screenshots and some clips of me wrestling. And I posted it on Facebook and tagged all my old wrestling buddies and coaches. And anyway, the last 12 hours have been a lot nostalgia for me, just seeing my coaches comment, my friends and my teammates. And ah, just thinking about it. But I started thinking this morning again, as I was looking at that, this is the identity shift, right? There's a lot of people who do wrestling. There's a lot of people who, again, they go through the motions, they do the thing. But there's a difference. When I was competing, I was a wrestler. And what does that mean? Like what does it look like? Because from the outside, it probably looks similar. But the difference was, when I would wake up in the morning, all I was thinking about was how to become a better wrestler. I was at school, in classes, that's all I was thinking about. When wrestling practice started, I was there. I showed up early. As soon as I got in the room, we started wrestling, started rolling around. As soon as practice ended, my dad would show up and I would do a second practice every single day. And then on the weekends, like when we traveled, we brought wrestling mats. We literally have wrestling mats that we'd hook to the top of my dad's truck. When we'd drive on family vacations, we'd get the wrestling mats out and we'd wrestle in the morning before we would go do our, go on the lake or whatever. I wasn't someone who was wrestling, I was a wrestler. It was different, right? It's an identity shift. Like it was my life. There was nothing else. It is who I was. And I look at the kids who are the most successful, if not the ones who wrestle, that it's the ones who are wrestlers, where it is who they are. It's who they become. And I keep trying to think, how do I instill that in kids? In wrestling, how do I get you to go from being like, oh yeah, I'm wrestling. I go to wrestling practice. Like, no, no, no. You don't understand. If you really want to be the best, if you want to be a State Champ, or a National Champ, or an All American, or whatever, the thing is, you have to... It's more than this. It's not just doing the motions that everybody's doing. It's like, you have to have this identity shift where you become a wrestler, where that's all you do. That's your full-time am job, income, livelihood, thought process. Like everything is wrapped into that thing. So why do I share this with you guys? I share it with you guys because as I've been now, 20 something years, teaching entrepreneurship, and online marketing, and doing this thing, I see that same division. There are people who start businesses. There are who try to make money. There's people who, whatever, right? But the people are successful, the ones who actually had the identity shift, where they have become an entrepreneur, they become a publisher, they become an author. They become something different. And you can tell that shift because it goes from like, "Okay, I got to work on my business today for an hour." Or, "I got to block out three hours," to "This is my obsession." I was talking about it with... Recently, I let go some people who had been in our company a long time. And I remember for me, it was like... It's tough because I'm like, man, if I got fired from this, from what I do, it's my life. There's not like I go to work and then go home at night. It's like, this is my life. And this is my life and I'm thinking about it all the time, like when I'm the shower I'm thinking about it. At my home, my family... Maybe that's wrong. I don't know, it's an obsession, but if you look at my identity, what am I like? I am an entrepreneur. I am a curator. I am a... Like, I could give you different identities that I resonate with. But it's deep. It's not a dabble. In fact, I remember, this is a couple years ago, somebody asked for my email address. I gave it to them. They're like, "That's your work email. What's your real email?" And I was like, "What are you talking about?" And they're like, "Well, don't you have a personal email and a work email?" I'm like, "There's no division." I don't have a personal life and work life. This is my life. You know what I mean? And I was confused, because I remember someone on my team, assuming now I think I've learned since then that almost everyone has a work email and a personal email. But for me, again, there's not a line between those two things. This is my mission. When I was wrestling, I was a wrestler. My mission was singular focused. There was one thing. Since I've gotten out of wrestling and I've become who I am now at today, there's no work Russell and home Russel. There's Russell, and this is who I am. This is my personality. This is my identity. That's how deep your identity shift has to become. And not that you can't have success without it. People have success, they make money, blah, blah, like those things. But if you really want to, in my mind, to change the world, to do something amazing, it's deeper. It's this thing where it becomes you. That's what an identity shift is. It's not saying, "Oh yeah, I wrestle." No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm a wrestler. Like you cut me, I bleed that color. I remember Stephen Larson one time, in fact, we made a whole t-shirt, a theme, out of funnel hacking live when you're calling people diehard funnel hackers. And his joke was, if you cut me open and you see my heart beating inside, you'll notice there's a blue gear and a red gear. That's how deep I am in this community. And so we made these t-shirts that said Diehard Funnel Hacker, and it had a beating heart, click funnel's heart. But again, that's the kind of identity shift you have to have. And I don't know exactly how to do that, or how to have it, other than it's got to become an obsession. I think in our society, in our world, people talk down about obsessions sometimes. Because there's definitely a negative stigma sometimes. And it's tough. As a producer who likes to produce, I struggle with people I love around me, including my wife and other family members, other people who are just like, "You got to turn it off. You got to stop." And I'm like, I don't understand what this means, turning it off. It's not like I'm going to work and I'm leaving work. It's who I am. It's my identity. There's no on off switch. It's just, it is.And that's the level of identity shift you've got to have you really want to change the world. I remember, I think I shared this on the last episode of the podcast. But I remember there was a wrestling film I used to watch all the time, with Tom and Terry Brands. And it started with, "My name's Tom Brands. My goal's simple, I want to be the greatest wrestler in the whole world." And then the second guy is, "My name's Terry Brands. My goal is simple. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the whole world." That was not somebody who was going to work and then going home at night. That was someone who, they were trying to change the world. They were trying to be the best. And I feel like, man, if you really want to do something great, you got to do that. And it's tough for most people. Because most people don't have that. It's interesting, I had my time when I got to be an athlete, which for me was from... I didn't start wrestling until eighth grade. So from eighth grade till college. So there's what, four years high school, 8, 9, 10. So I had a decade. Wow, I had a decade. I had a decade where my sole focus was being an athlete, and everything was there and focused. And I look at most people, it's interesting, because now that I'm coaching high school wrestling, most people, their only chance to be athletes is two or three years. If they start as a sophomore, maybe freshman, they make it four years. That's the window of the life they're an athlete. And if they're not great or whatever, like again, if they haven't had that identity shift, they do the thing, but they're not... Like they miss that. I think for me, I was lucky where I had a decade of my life where I was singular focused. I had a chance to have that. And so for me to go deep on something, to be obsessed with something, I had done it before. That pattern was in my brain. It was easy for me to, as I switched to business, to become like, okay, I'm going to tackle this with the same like fervent energy that I did with wrestling. And so I was able to go deep on it, where a lot of people have never had that chance in their life. They've never gone deep. They never sacrificed everything they had for something that they wanted to get. And if you haven't in life, it's going to be kind of hard. It's going to be hard to even understand. You've seen somebody who's crazy like me, and you've seen somebody. You get people around you, but you never experienced that. And it's like, how do you trick your mind? How do you train your mind? How do you go deep on it? And I don't know the exact answer, other than I think we got to stop thinking about it from a, go to work and back, and more of like, this is who I am, this is who I've become, this is who I serve. This is all the things related to that. So anyway, I'm sure some of you guys think I'm crazy, and you're rolling your eyes. And you're like, Russel, I didn't get in here to try to change the world, just trying to make some extra money. And I get that. But you will find out very quickly that the money is short lived. And the thing that, at least for me, and I don't think I'm unique in this. I've talked to a lot of successful people at the highest levels. I've talked to the Tony Robbins of the world, people like that. And it's the same thing, I don't do this for money. I have plenty of money. I do this because this is who I am. Like Tony Robbins is Tony Robbins. He's not like, I go to work and I motivate people. No, no, no, no, no. You don't understand. Tony is... I don't know how to explain it other than he is Tony. This is his mission, his life. And he'll be on his deathbed, running a UPW, like streaming it in. Like, I don't want to stop. Like, I'm going to go til the heart stops beating. Just keep going and keep going. And I think that's me. It definitely is me. Unless I find something different to shift my identity to, but as right now, I love this. I love who I serve. I'm obsessed with it. The art is so rewarding and fulfilling to me, where, again, like Russell you got to turn it off. Like why would you want to turn it off? I can't understand that. It does not compute in my brain. And that's the level of obsession I think you really got to have, if you want to be successful in anything at the highest levels. So anyway, again, just thoughts in Russell's head that I want to share with you guys. Yeah, so I hope that helps. I hope you guys... And for those of you guys who are like me, and hopefully it gives you permission to be like, it's okay. It's okay that I'm obsessed. I got to be careful, because there's a line of obsession where you can lose everything. You can lose your family, you can lose your friends. And I don't believe in that. I believe in trying to incorporate the people you love most into your mission. Like my dad was at wrestling practice every day with me. My mom came to my tournaments. I was able to incorporate the people I loved in the mission that I was on at the time. And I feel like the same thing's true here. I had the chance to bring my kids to Funnel Acting Live. We created a whole family event, unlocked the secrets for our families, because I wanted to bring my kids to an event. So it's like, you don't have to do it and lose everything, unless you isolate from the people you love. It's like, how do you incorporate and bring those people on the trip and the ride with you? So anyway, I hope that helps somebody. I appreciate you guys for listening. It means the world to me. We're working on a new Funnel Hub inside of ClickFunnels 2.0, the very first one is marketingsecrets.com. So it's not quite live yet. By the time you guys hear this, it might be live. Hopefully in the next day or two, we'll have it up there. But it is the first ever Funnel Hub built on ClickFunnels 2.0, which is exciting. Actually, it's not true. We launched magneticmarketing.com on ClickFunnels, 2.0. So that was the first one. And it is live so you can go see it. You can test page speeds. The page speeds are insane on it, which is really cool. Even though we haven't actually turned on all the cashing and optimization stuff yet, it's still way faster than every other page builder. So it's exciting. Good things are happening. And do you want to know why? It's because we're obsessed. All right, thanks, guys, for listening. Appreciate you. And we'll talk soon. 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Most achievers I know struggle with truly feeling fulfillment. Some of my thoughts after a long weekend. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Hey, good morning everybody. This is Russell Brunson, and I want to welcome you back to the Marketing Seekers Podcast. I just dropped my kids off at school and I'm slowly exiting the parking lot with a million kids driving, hoping for my life. But I wanted to talk about something that's been on my mind for a little while, which is some of the downsides of being a hyper achiever. All right everyone, I'm still in the kids' parking lot, trying to get out, but I wanted to talk to you guys today about something that I was thinking about a lot this weekend, and it's interesting. I don't know if you'll learn anything from this, but I think for people who are like me, hopefully you'll feel less alone. And then people who aren't like me, this is me sitting on a couch and you get to be my therapist. So that's kind of the game plan. I hope that's all right. But what I want to talk about is some of the downsides of being an achiever, especially a hyper achiever. It's been interesting in my life and I wouldn't say all my life. When I was younger, I didn't have much direction or motivation or things I was trying to do. I used to come home from school and we'd watch cartoons and we'd eat Cheerios or Rice Krispies until dinner, and then we'd eat dinner and do homework, and that was kind of end of it. And I tried to play basketball. I tried to do some things, but I wasn't that good at anything. It wasn't until I started wrestling that I had my first identity shift, my first thing where I did something, I was like, oh my gosh, this is who I am. This is who I want to become and that was the day I became an achiever. I don't want to be good, I want to be the best. In fact, I remember there's an old wrestling movie we used to always watch and it had Tom and Terry brands on it, who, you know who they are they're twin brothers, the wrestled for Iowa, both world champs. One of them was an Olympic champ. And the video started with Tom Brands saying, "My name is Tom Brands and my goal is simple. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the whole world." And the next scene was Terry Brands. He said, "My name's Terry Brands and my goal is simple. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the whole world." And I remember I used to watch that and think in my head, my name's Russell Brunson and my goal is simple. I want to be the greatest wrestler in the whole world. And that was my goal and obviously I never met that goal. I never became the greatest wrestler at all time, but I set a high goal and I started working towards it and I killed myself to reach that goal. And I became an achiever so much so where I would do anything. I would cut 30 pounds a week. I was telling my high school kids I literally would come in on Monday at 160 pounds my sophomore year and then Thursday, I weighed at 130. And so yeah, I was losing 30 pounds a week every single week. I was doing just crazy things. I was working out. I was just wrestling, lifting weights, traveling around the country. Everything I could to reach that goal. And it's interesting. It's like there's something powerful about being a high achiever. You have this drive and you push and you get to accomplish and achieve things. But one of the downsides, probably the biggest downside is it's hard to be content and that's something I've struggled with my whole life. In fact, I see people who are very content and it's something that I am jealous of. Man, I wish I could just be content. I wish I could just sit there. I wish I could just relax. And the reason I started thinking about this, this weekend is because I start thinking about when in my life have I really felt content? And as hard as I can think, I only remember two times and the first time was in wrestling. And I apologize. I have kind of a cold right now. So if I'm sniffling, that's why. Or if my voice sounds funny. So the first time that I think I ever felt content was after my junior year and I had set the goal, I wanted to be a state champ. And I had worked towards it, worked towards it, worked towards it and I remember my junior year, I won the state title. And I remember winning it and then in the car driving home, I remember this is 17 year old Russell at the time and I'm driving home and I'm looking around, I'm looking at all the mountains and the scenery outside. And I was like, this is all? And I lived in Utah as a Utah state champ was looking around. I was like this is all of Utah and I'm a state champ. I'm the best in Utah right now. I'm the best in this entire state and I remember feeling so content that I was driving home and just like, ugh, I did it. I achieved that thing. And the rest of my wrestling career, I was always chasing after goals and dreams. I wanted to be an all American. I did get that. I became an all American, but I wanted to be a national champ and I took second. And then in college I wanted to win this tournament, that tournament. I did well, but I was never a national champ. I was never a PAC-10 champ. I never got to experience the big win again. I won tournaments and things like that, but winning my state title was the big thing and I felt so content afterwards. And so, but yeah, the rest of my wrestling career, I kept racing, chasing, chasing, chasing, and then eventually I lost and my career ended and that was the end of it. I never achieved that thing. And then for me, I was like, ah, as an achiever, I have to achieve something, and at the time I kind of started my business. And so I shift my focus to business and then I spent the next decade and a half running a business, running a business. And the weirdest thing I remember about business was there was never a time where you got your hand raised. It never ended, just like this continual cycle. IN wrestling, there would be tons of work and effort towards a goal and then you either win or you lose but it was finite. Where business is this revolving circle, which is good on some ends, because the game you can play for a long, long time. But it was also bad because I never got my hand raised. It never ended. I never felt like I achieved something. In fact, I remember one time, somebody to me, "When did you feel like you made it?" And I was like, "I don't know. I'll let you know if I ever do." I've never felt that way. There's always this constant pressure grind. And I've enjoyed it as an achiever. It's taken me to a lot of places. I've met a lot of cool people, done a lot of cool things, accomplished a lot of cool stuff but it was never a point where I was like, ah. Even when I go on mastermind trips or retreats or things like that, there's always this anxiety or stress. At Funnel Hacking Live, I always think at the end of it, I'm going to feel like ah, this complacency or that feeling, but I never felt it because as soon it was done, it's like, ah, we sold people in our coaching program. Now I've got to worry about that. And it's just always this cause of stress. Except for one time and the one time was after the 10 X event and some of you guys know this story. I set a goal before we went. I was like, I want to do 3 dollars million dollars in sales because that means I'll net a million. And that event was the perfect storm where we said the whole thing, the presentation just killed it and we ended up doing $3.2 million dollars in sales. And there was this moment after the pitch was done, and I stood in line for six hours taking pictures of everyone. And Collette and I went back to our room and we were so tired and I remember laying in bed and we took this picture of us just laying in bed, smiling together. And then we passed out for four hours. And that was the second time in my life I can remember being content where I was just like, ah, we did it. I set a big goal, achieved it and then it was done. And then I remember that night after we woke up, we went back into the room where everyone was processing the money and counting all the order forms and it just felt complete. It was final. I set the goal, I achieved it and I got a break. I had a chance to rest. And those are the two times in my life. Isn't that funny? Two times in life where I felt like I could rest where I was just like, oh, like I did it. And the rest of my life has been running and sprinting. And I don't know about you, but for me it's always like, when my book's done, then I'll have a chance to rest or when the event's done, or when the thing or whatever. But each of those as I finish one, it starts the next thing. We finish the book and then we start the book promotion. Then we finish the promotion and then we got to start the backend sales and the backend sales to the event and then the event to the next thing and it just keeps going and going. And I never felt that feeling of it being done, of just ah, it's finished. And yeah, like I said, only two times in my life I can remember feeling that feeling. So being an achiever, like I said, it's amazing because it gives you a chance to run and to achieve things and experience things and it makes your life very fulfilling. I feel like my life is very colorful. I feel good at painting this beautiful, amazing thing. And I love it. But the thing that I miss is the downtime, the quietness, that feeling of ah, you did it. I feel like that's probably what I've been chasing for so long. Some of you guys know I started my next book probably over a year ago now dang. And the subtitle to the book was going to be The Art of Achievement. Or excuse me, The Science of Achievement, the Art of Fulfillment because that's what I wanted the book to be about. And it was interesting because the parts where I was writing about achievement was really easy for me to write, the Science of Achievement. Here's how we do it. That part was really easy. And then every time we got to the Art of Fulfillment, that part was really, really difficult for me. I struggled writing those things so much so that I ended up stopping writing that book. And I was like, you know what? I don't know how to be fulfilled. I haven't felt that. I don't feel content. I don't feel fulfilled all the time. I'm still trying to figure this out. So I've actually changed the whole book where the book now, I change the title as well. The new book is going to be called Secrets of Success and it's going to be about achievement, about success. How do you get these things? Because that's what I've mastered, but I understand that I'm good at. But the fulfilling part, I don't know yet. I understand pieces of it. I understand the psychology, I understand things, but I haven't been able to really feel that often in my life. And so I'm saving that book or that part of the book for a later year in my life where I have a chance to figure those things out. So anyway, this weekend for me was interesting because I sat down and I had this chance to start thinking through how do I feel fulfilled? How do I feel content? What is that thing? And that's when the whole thought came. In my life when have I felt content? And the only times I could think about was I won the state title and when I did the 3.2 million in sales at the 10 X event. The two times I felt I like I could rest and I feel like I'm chasing something, looking for that next time to rest. And so I think for me and I'll report back on this because I'm going to try to set goals that have a celebration time. When you achieve this thing, you did this, this, and now you get to rest. Take a day off or do whatever. I don't take any days off and when I do, I'm usually stressing out because the next thing's in the way or things are happening, you know what I mean? So anyway, that's the pros of the cons of being an achiever. I'm sure some of you guys relate to that. Some of you guys think I'm crazy. Either way is totally cool. But for me that's what I'm looking for is how do I get more of those things in my life? And for any of you guys who have been on this hamster wheel like me and you're running and you're achieving and you're doing the things, I want to give yourself permission to try to do what I'm trying to do, which is okay, how do I get fulfillment? How do I get my hand raised? How do I succeed? And then rest in that moment so I can feel it and I can enjoy it and recharge off it before I go to the next accomplishment. Before I climb the next mountain, before I try to conquer the next demon. So anyway, that's what's on my mind this weekend. Hopefully this helps somebody. Like I said, just not really how to as much as most of my podcast episodes, but hopefully just... Yeah, again, therapy for me to talk it out. So thanks you guys. I appreciate you all for listening and hopefully you have a great day. Talk soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you want to stop playing checkers and start playing chess, listen to today’s episode. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Good morning everybody. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today I want to talk about something interesting, about when you have a success and you have a win, how to take that and roll it on to geometrically grow everything else you did inside your business. So I hope you guys are awesome today. It's been snowing here in Boise, and then today it's been raining so it's all slushy, and I've had fun driving kids to school this morning. This is one of my favorite things, is to drive them and have a chance to talk to them. It makes me sad because my twins are about to get their licenses and then I'll probably not get to drive them anymore. But until they do, I'm enjoying it and it's just really fun. Just dropped off Aiden, my little man, at school and have a few minutes while I'm heading back to the office. And I was thinking about something that I thought would be helpful for all of you guys, because I don't see this happen enough. In fact, I noticed with a lot of us entrepreneurs, we do something that works really good and then we move on to the next thing as opposed to being like, "Hey, that worked really good. We should do more of that, or we should focus on that, or we should go deeper on that." A good example just happened recently. As you guys know, I bought Dan Kennedy's company and then we relaunched it last month. The relaunch went really, really well. And the way we launched it is we took ... it was a concept that Dan Kennedy and Bill Glazer did back 15, 18, I don't know how many years ago, when Bill first bought the company. The company's basically a newsletter company, it had the Magnetic Marketing newsletter. And so when Bill bought it, he was like, "I want to grow this" so he created something that he called the MIFGE. I talked about it on the podcast before, stands for Most Incredible Free Gift Ever. And they launched it and that's how the newsletter grew originally. And then they sold the company to private equity firms, who as a rule are not very good at actually marketing the way that we all market. And they ran the business to the ground over the next decade. So I had a chance to buy it out of that. And the first thing I did is, well, what worked in the past? Oh, the MIFGE, we should remake the MIFGE. So we built the MIFGE, we launched it, and from the MIFGE we added over 4000 new paying members into the newsletter. So I want to do the math on that for you, because it makes this really interesting. And obviously people are going to cancel, but let's just say they don't. So we added 4000 people at $97 a month. That's $400,000 a month, times 12 months in a year, that's an extra 4.8 million dollar-a-year business we launched in a weekend by creating a really good MIFGE offer. That's awesome. And again, like I said, there's going to be a churn and things are going to drop, we're also going to start buying ads to it. The funnel converted extremely well. I think I talked about that, if not... Hopefully you signed up through the funnel and you got the first January's newsletter because I break down the funnel. But we're averaging 200 and something dollars for every free trial. So I can spend $200 to get a free trial and still be profitable, which is insane. And now it's making that business where we can start growing it and scaling it, and I think by summertime I could have 10,000 members in there, pay $97 a month which is a million dollar-a-month business on info product, a newsletter. It's insane. And so for me, I am the worst at keeping secrets, that's why all my books are called DotCom Secrets, Expert Secrets, Traffic Secrets, because I just tell everyone my secrets. And on the podcast I shared this, in the first issue of the newsletter I'm sharing it. I'm not good at keeping secrets. But it's interesting because I'll share that with most people and like, "oh that's so cool, that's awesome." And then they don't do anything with it. I have somebody who I love and respect who I shared it with, probably one of the first people I shared it with, and I thought they were going to grab it and take it. And then I saw their next offer run out and they could have done the model that I did with the offer they did. It would've fit. It would've been a simple tweak to make it match that, and then they didn't. And they launched something and they didn't follow the model and I was like, "man, if somebody told me that they had a funnel that was averaging 200 and ... $230, it might have been ... Anyway, insane EPC, average cart value. It isn't my market, it's something similar. I would look at that, I would've funnel hacked it and I would've called an audible before I launched my funnel and made tweaks and changes based on it. But they didn't, they just said, "oh wow, that's amazing, that's so cool." And then they went on. And I'm sure a lot of you guys heard me talk about it and you're like, "oh, that's so cool" and then you went on. The way to leverage this stuff, to leverage my wins, to leverage your wins, to leverage what's working in the market is to not do that. So for example, we launched the MIFGE offer, it killed it. We had an urgency and scarcity where it closed down for two weeks or something like that. I think it just went back live a day or two ago. If you go to noBSletter.com, you can see the funnel. But after we shut it down, the first question was "man, that works really good. We should create a MIFGE for ClickFunnels." That was the first thing. "It worked here, let's do it again." Where most people are like "That worked awesome", and then they move on to the next thing and they forget about the success. So we sat down and said, "how would we make a MIFGE for ClickFunnels? What would that look like? How do we make it so the offers are irresistible, so it gets people to stick longer? So it gets our average cart value up front higher?" Right now, for me to get a ClickFunnels trial, just so you guys know, in paid media, for my paid ads, it costs me $300. Between 250 and $300, depending on a lot of things, to get somebody to sign up for free ClickFunnels trial. Which is fine because our lifetime value of a customer is really, really high so we can do it. But it's a float. It takes me three to four months. And honestly longer than that, because you have churn and breakage and all that kind of stuff. It takes a good almost a year to break even from me buying to get someone to sign up for a ClickFunnels trial, which is fine. But if I could tweak my front end funnel so that I was making 250, $300 for every trial we signed up, now I break even immediately and now guess what? I can out-scale everybody once again. And so I'm like, "how do I do that?" Well, we need a ClickFunnels MIFGE offer. And so that's what we did. We spent three hours, in a room, "how do we make a ClickFunnels most incredible free gift ever?" That's what MIFGE stands for. Most Incredible Free Gift Ever. And we structured it, we sat down and we mapped it out, and we're like, "now we have this, what's the hook? What's the story? Why are we doing this? What's the offer? What do we send them in the mail so we can get the physical address? How do we build community? How do we build culture? How do we weave all that stuff into an incredible offer?" And when it was done, we literally mapped it out. And I sat there and I was like, "oh my gosh, this will change ClickFunnels forever." And it's so simple. It's nothing complicated. All of us make good offers. We sell something. But looking at it through the lens of the most incredible free gift ever, and then looking at the funnel we built for the Dan Kennedy company and how high the average cart value and how high the EPCs were, how high everything was. It's like, okay, let's take this model and let's replicate it over here. And so for you guys, I just want you to understand when I share something, I'm excited and I'm ... it's not like, "oh cool, Russell. That's awesome." It should be like, "okay, how do I implement this in my business?" That'd be the first question I'd be asking myself instantly, is how do I take this and do it, because it's awesome? I want to put that out there, because I see a lot of people who don't do those kind of things. Like when we launched the Traffic Secrets book funnel, it was the highest converting book funnel I'd done to date. It was awesome. And so instead of being like, "man, that's awesome. The Traffic Secrets book funnel's great." I said, "okay, what did we learn on this? What was the layout? The style, design, the tweak… like what did we do different in this one than the other ones?" We took those things and we moved them and we took all those best practices, all things we figured out. And we did them on the other book funnels. We went backwards in time. Now all the book funnels match the model and they're all converting high. And right now we're in the process of re-tweaking with the book funnels to try to increase the cart value. And we're trying things and tweaking things and testing things. As soon as we get it to work, then guess what we're going to do instantly? Take those changes and roll them across all the book funnels. So I want you guys to understand that's how you double down on these things, how you get consistently better. Geometrically better, not just incrementally. A lot of people have incremental wins. They add this thing, they get a little better, add this thing, they get a little bit better. Whereas I'm looking at geometry, how do we geometrically grow what we're doing? Because I don't want to go from $150 million to $170 million. That's not inspiring or exciting or anything. I want to go from $150 million to $300 million. How do you do that? You don't do it by playing checkers. You do it by playing chess. Geometrically thinking differently, strategically. When you have a win, you got to compound that win upon the other win as opposed to just "oh, we had a win. Cool." And the moving on to the next thing. Everything needs to compound and increase and get better and get better. But to do that, it takes you becoming passionate about this. I've talked about this a lot over the years. You got to become more passionate about the marketing of your thing than you do about the thing. All of us have the thing that we're selling, that we're in love with, the reason why we got in this business. But if you really love that thing, whatever your product, your service, your message is. If you really love that, you have to become obsessed with the selling of that thing. One of the biggest mistakes I see influencers and people do is that they love their thing. They're having success and they want to go hire a funnel builder. They want to outsource it to somebody else. They want to ... "who do I hire to become a marketing team? Who can I outsource this to?" And it's like, "ah, you're missing it. That's the best part, to figure out how to get your thing into people's hands." If you become obsessed with that part of it, that's how you really grow and scale and dramatically grow your companies. So for all you guys who are listening, I wanted to look at that lens of number one, when I'm dropping gold, when I'm dropping like, "this funnel's killing it." Funnel hack it, look at it. And then look at your old funnels. "How do I weave this model in?" That's number one. Number two, same thing for yourself. When you have a win, don't just be like "cool. That was awesome." Go back and roll that win across everything else so you can geometrically grow everything you're doing. And number three, become obsessed with this game. Again, the ones who are winning at the highest level are the ones who obsess. They keep going into this and keep figuring things out and they have so much fun with it. And then they layer it on and they do the next thing and the next thing, and that's when you can really have fun and enjoy this. So I hope that helps. I hope that gets your mind thinking a little bit differently. If it does, and you enjoyed this, then please let me know. All right. Thanks you guys for listening, I appreciate you. Thanks for listening to this podcast. And by the way, if you haven't heard yet, with the launch of Danny Kennedy's company, we launched the Magnetic Marketing Podcast, which is basically, I found tons of old Danny Kennedy presentations from the last 20 years or so. Him speaking at info summits, him on the gold and the diamond CDs and all these things that were lost in the archives. I started going through them. I'm like, "these are amazing. I don't know how to sell these. 'Here's a CD interview of Dan talking for an hour about wealth creation or whatever'." It's amazing, but it's not a product, really. I was like, "what do I do with these things?" And so I decided to give them to you guys for free. And so we created a podcast called the Magnetic Marketing Podcast. And if you go to MagneticMarketingPodcast.com, you can subscribe to it there. And then you get hardcore raw Dan Kennedy interviews and audios once a week, which are ... they're really, really good. So I recommend doing that and diving into Danny. I love him. He's a little ornery, but man, he's brilliant. So anyway, there you go. There's an old Magnetic Marketing Podcast that the old company had ran, which was a bunch of people talking about Dan, which I did not love. And so if you search in the podcast search engine, you might find the old one. If you go to MagneticMarketingPodcast.com, that's the right one. And you'll know because there's a cool picture of Dan Kennedy in black and white, and looks amazing. He looks like the tough guy that he is. So anyway, that said, thanks, you guys so much for listening. Hope you enjoyed this podcast, hope you enjoy Dan's podcast as well, and I will talk to you soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The skill set for building an effective team is WAY different than the skills needed for marketing and sales. For one, you have to learn how to become a true LEADER. So the two key questions to ask yourself are 1. Who do you have to become to lead a great team? And 2. What are the critical strategies you need to implement to get your team onboard to follow your vision? Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up, everyone? This is Russell, welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today's episode, we're going to be talking about building a team. How do you do it? What are the pitfalls? What are the pros, the cons? And some of the things that I learned along the way. Hopefully this'll help you as you're building out your team to be able to do whatever it is you're trying to do in your life. Whatever your mission, whatever your goal, whatever the business you're trying to build. I hope that this episode will help you as you're thinking through it, to help you to build the team that's going to get you to the finish line. So with that said, I'm going to cue up the theme song. We come back, you have a chance to listen in on a cool interview, talking about how to build your team. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast, I'm here today with Josh Forti and we've been having fun today. The last two episodes- Josh Forti: We have. Russell: We recorded went longer, but- Josh: It's been fun. Russell: I think they've been fun. So today will be a little bit shorter episode, but it's something that, again, Josh brings things that I don't ever really typically talk about. So it's been fun to talk about some of the stuff like I think about, but I've never really verbally shared. So do you want to set up what we were talking about today? Josh: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so very specifically here, I want to focus for you specifically. The question is, well, leadership and team building, what are some of the biggest shifts around building a team and becoming a leader? Because as someone who built a team myself that failed miserably, it wasn't that we hated each other, but it's just like, it was chaos. When you're trying to manage like six or seven different people and they're all like contracting everywhere. And now I'm like kind of going back and rebuilding. And I'm building it right and I have full-time people that we're bringing in and going. And it's like, man, the skillset of making money, the skillset of being a marketer is way so totally different- Russell: Yeah. Josh: Than building a team. And even being like the attractive character and building a following, like building a following is a completely different skillset than it is of growing a team and being a leader and things like that. And so I guess like two part is number one, who did you have to become? And like, secondly, what are like some of the hacks, tips, or I know you like secrets. So what are some of the secrets that you use to build a team and really like sell them on the vision and like really make sure that they were thriving in that role? Russell: Cool. So I want to just second what you said, building a team is way different than all the other things. And I've struggled over the years. I have an amazing team, as you guys know, if you've seen everything. And I wouldn't say most of it's because of my own doing, I'll talk about some of the stuff I've learned along the way. But it's a different skillset. And I think making money is an easier skill, I think creating a movement of people that are following you is different. I always tell people, like I'm such a good leader and communicator to like my tribe and I'm not as good to my internal team. It's interesting. And so a couple things that I'll share again, I don't have this perfect. And if you ask people on my team, like Russell's not perfect at this because I'm not. But I'll share some of the things I've learned because I'm always trying to figure this out and trying to get better at it. One of the biggest lessons I had and I did a podcast on this probably two or three years ago. Was this realization that I had to make a transition. Because I was always like the All Star. Like if you look at basketball, like I was the All Star, like I was really good. I could write copy, I could build a funnel, I could drive traffic, I could sell from stage, I could do all the different things. And so I was like, Michael Jordan out there and I'd be on stage, I'd be doing, I'd be dunking and slamming and three points. And like just amazing and people would tell me how great I was and I loved it. And then I start building a team. And so I started building a team, but the problem is that as I was building a team, I still thought I was Michael Jordan. So I'd build the team and I'd be in there, all of a sudden, I'd have the person writing copy and they'd be going up with the ball, about to do the layup. And I'm like, "Ah, I could actually do it better." So I grab the ball from my own teammate and rip it out of their hands and I'd go dunk it like, "Ah." And I would get everyone cheering for me again. Or someone would be coming down ... I'm trying to get these analogies working. But basically what's happening is that I was the All Star and- Josh: That one worked. That analogy worked. Russell: That one did work? Okay, good. Josh: Yeah. Russell: And I was trying to bring in other All Stars. But the problem is I'd bring these All Stars in and then as they were trying to perform, I'd be like, "I can do it better." And I would take the ball from them because I want to be the All Star. And I had this realization, like for me to actually build a team, I cannot continue to be the All Star. And this is hard- Josh: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Russell: For achievers like us, especially for someone like me. Like I was the achiever, I had done all the roles because I had built the company by myself initially. It was me doing all the roles, so I learned all the roles, I got good at all the roles. And so as I started trying to like bring on these different All Stars, it was tough. It's kind of like if you watch the All Star game or like the dream team. Like all of a sudden you got like the best players on a team and usually they're not the best playing with each other because they're all the All Stars, they all want a ball hog and it gets really, really difficult. And so I had to make this realization, like if I'm going to be successful growing a team and getting click funnels from hundred million to a billion dollars, like I can't continue to be the All Star. I have to retire and I have to become the coach. That's a hard transition. Because now you're coming back and like you're successful, not now by your skillset, but you're successful by like cultivating other people's skillsets. And that's a different skillset to have, by the way. Like it's way harder. For me, it's always been easier for me to go and like to do the thing. Like I'm finding it now with I'm coaching my kids wrestling. And I'm watching my kids, I'm watching the team and like, man, I was such a good athlete. I'd go out there, I'd kill myself, I'd work so hard and I was an amazing athlete. But it's way harder for me to coach other athletes because I can't give them desire, I can't give them these different things. And so that was difficult. And so that's the first thing to realize is that if you're going to start growing a team, you have to be willing to like take your Jersey off and say, "I'm no longer the All Star, I am now the coach. And I've got new people." And that's been the hardest thing for me and I still struggle with that, I still like jump back in. I'm like, "Ah." But that's the key, if you want to get a good group people around you. Because otherwise if you're the one that's taking the ball from him, from the other people on the team, the All Stars are going to leave you. Like they're not going to stick around, they want to be the All Star too, they want the recognition, they want to be doing the thing. So that's the first big shift that you got to have. Any questions on that before I go to kind of- Josh: No, no. Super good. Yeah, you're good. Russell: Okay. So the second thing is you have to be good at hiring All Stars. I remember when we first started building ClickFunnels, Todd read an article or something and he was talking about ... in the article was like, there's A players, B players, C player, there's different levels. But what people don't understand, it's not like A players, like 100% and B players like 50%. Like the article said the difference between an A player and a B player is like 2200% difference. So it's like a B player, you can have like one A player going to give you the output of like 50 or 100 or how many B players. And so what most of us try to do, is try to come in and say, "Okay, I don't want to spend as much money getting the right person. So I'm going to find somebody who's cheaper. Maybe they're not going to be an A player, but they'll be a B player, but I can afford them." And that's like this mindset that most people have. I see it all the time, I see it in Facebook groups, in ClickFunnels Facebook group, like, how do I get a cheap funnel builder? Like, that's the problem, you're looking for a B player. Or you find an A player, you get 2200 times better thing. And so it's been interesting because we launched ClickFunnels the first time, like I had a couple A players, which is why it grew. We had a couple All Stars, we had some like Todd Dickerson. You guys know our team, like we had A players who were able to go and intergrow. But then from there, we had to hire whoever we could afford. Right now we're building ClickFunnels 2.0 and we're in a unique spot where it's like, we don't have to just hire who we can afford. Like let's hire the best. And so we're going out there trying to figure out who are the A players in each regard. And it's crazy because I look at the team that's building ClickFunnels 2.0, it's a small team. What they're accomplishing is amazing, but they're all A players. When we started like looking at rolling out Click Funnels 2.0 and our marketing team, we started trying to bring in A players and they're expensive. And so a lot of times the questions like, well, I don't have any money. How do I recruit the A players? Well, I recruited Todd and I was broke. A players aren't necessarily looking for money today. The A players are people who are looking for money in the future. They're the ones who are like, "I want to be part of a team. I want to build something cool, something I believe in. And I want to be able to get paid insane amounts of money over here. And I'm willing to give up that for this over here." The right people will be willing to do that. So as I come back, if I was to like be building my team over from scratch right now. There's number one, again, taking off the All Star, say I'm going to be the coach. And number two is like, if I'm going to be the coach and I'm out there building the team, like I'm going to try to build the dream team. And to do that, I've got to sell them on the vision of why this is cool and like where it's going to go, and what's the opportunity for them. Because just like you're trying to sell your customers on the opportunity of like funnels are the opportunity or whatever. It's like, you're selling your dreams team, like this is the opportunity. Like if you join the team, you're going to get paid nothing right now or very little right now. But this is how we're going to structure things so that it'll be worth it for you over here. And the right people will hear that because that's what they're looking for. Someday when I retire from this whole, whatever I'm doing. If I was ever getting a job again, it's not going to be based on money, I could care less about money. Someone's going to sell me someday on the vision. In fact, I just saw Sean Wayland just hired the dude who started Tapout- Josh: Yeah, I saw that. Russell: And like how powerful is that? The Tapout dude does not need Sean's money. He sold his company for insane amounts of money. But I'm sure Sean's like, "Hey dude, here's the opportunity. You help me do this thing and flip it like, this is what's possible for you." And now he's got literally like there's no better person that Sean could have hired to run that company- Josh: Yeah, I know. Russell: Than this dude. Josh: When I saw that one, I was like, "Oh my Gosh." Russell: It's brilliant. So for all of us, we got to start linking more strategically. Not like, who can I afford for this role? It's like, who is the person that's going to be getting a million bucks a year in five years from now in this role? And how do I sell them on the opportunity? How do I create an opportunity where they can grow and they can monetize? Where they can make this kind of money. And that's how you recruit the right people into your world, who are going to help you to actually have success. And so those are the things ... because you get a good A player, you don't have to be really good at managing, you don't have to be really good at micro- Josh: Yeah. Russell: All those kind things. Like you get the right people in place, they're going to do the things and it makes you look like the All Star, the coach of the year that you are. Because you built the right team. Building the team- Josh: Yeah. Russell: Is more valuable than all the other pieces, I believe. Josh: Yeah. Like getting the right people is more important. The systems, the process, like those are all important. But like if you have B players on the team, it's like you're going to get a mediocre result. Russell: Yeah. And then- Josh: Yeah. Russell: And B player, you're going to be one in charge if you know the process. We brought Todd and I didn't have to like sit down with Todd and like, "Okay, how are we going to manage the projects? How are we going to do this?" Like Todd came in, he's like, "All right, I got it." And he just ran and he was able to run and like, all right, he's done. Josh: Yeah. Russell: Like we just brought in this guy named Kevin Richards, who we brought him in into like be the CMO of ClickFunnels. And Kevin had worked for a whole bunch of really big companies doing this. And it's crazy because like he came in and we gave him the reins, he started running. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is way better than I was running." Like there's structures, organization. Because he's done it before, over and over and over again. He's going to come in and plug in and just do it. And I'm watching it right now, I'm like- Josh: Yeah. Russell: "Man, like he's an A player who I could hire." In fact, I have over the last decade, a whole bunch of B players to do this role and no one's been able to hit it. And it's been me being involved so much. Where now it's like literally the first two weeks I was like all nervous because I want to make sure that everything's perfect. And finally like gave him the reins and I stepped back and it's like, "Whoa, this is so much better than when I was running it." Josh: Yeah. Russell: And it's easier and less stressed on me and he's loving it and it's just powerful. So those are the key. Josh: Okay. Couple rapid fire questions here, so that we make time. Number one, have you ever run into challenges or how have you dealt with communication differences inside of a team? Because one of the things that I've noticed is like, I just thought everybody would communicate like I was if we're all part of a team. I'm like the most expressive person, like when I talk. Like I use emojis and exclamation points and like if I'm texting, if I'm going like my voice or whatever. And like someone on my team is like, "Okay." I'm like, "Ah, are you mad? Do you understand? Like what do you mean, okay?" Do you have systems in place? Or do you typically go and just try to like find people to do that? Or is that something you just learn? Because I'm sure like, Melanie, I mean she was with you for how long? Right before Shelia, I'm sure she had a very unique communication style and I'm sure your next assistant is probably not the same as her. Russell: Yeah. Josh: Right. So like how have you learned like how to deal with that? Russell: Yeah. A couple things. One is like personality profiling is huge. In fact, we're working on a whole project right now and that'll probably be a book and a membership side, bunch of stuff, all based on personality profiling. Because that's how you understand like what motivates people? How do they speak? How do they not speak? How do they understand? Because again, Melanie and Jenny are very different people. But I'm able to work with both of them because I understood their personality types, I understood like, what are the things that would light Melanie up? What are the things that'd get Jenny excited to work? And vice versa. Like, if you look at Melanie was a very high S, so very faithful. And so like she would like die for you to be able to get something done. Jenny on their hand has very low S, almost no S. And so for her, it's like, man, if she gets bored, she's gone. So I got to make sure that she's got 8,000 projects and she's juggling them all. The more things she's having, the more successful she's going to be. Similar to me. And so I give her tons of projects and she thrives that she's able to juggle all these things. Whereas if I treat her like I taught Melanie, she would've been here for a week and a half, like, I'm out, like this is horrible. So understanding those kind of things. Like DISC profile's big, Meyers Briggs is big. Those are my two favorites. I'm trying to learn to master all the other ones, but those ones help a ton when you're hiring and all also when you're managing people. Josh: Yeah. Russell: The other thing is, this is one that helped me. Actually, Julie Story actually was one that taught it to me initially. And I don't remember all the things, but there's these different hats. There's like a black hat and a green hat and a red hat and yellow hat and all these things like that. So I'm a very green hat person, so are you. Put on the green hat and it's like creative ideas and we're flowing. I'm like, we get so excited about sharing stuff. And there's people who have like a black hats, they're the ones who always like ... they look at what could go wrong. What about this? And what about this? Josh: They take away all the fun. Oh my God. Russell: Yeah. Josh: They ruin it. Russell: And then like the white hats. So there's all these different hats. The ones I really remember is like green and black because I'm green hat. And like, Jamie Smith's a good example of a black hat. I love Jamie, one of my favorite humans in the world. But when we would do meetings together, I literally wanted jump over the table and strangle him. Because I'm like, "I did, I did, I did." And he's like, "Well, you think about this? You think about this? Think about this?" And like you're sucking the life out of me. Josh: Yeah. Russell: My wife's a very black hat person, as well. I'm like, "We should take the kids and like fly around the world and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Like just brainstorming things that are probably never going to happen. She's like, "What about this, this, this?" And so we started learning like based on this ... this is something that Julie brought that was really powerful. It was like, "Hey, we're in now in a green hat phase. Well, Russell's going to green hat, we're talking about ideas. No one's allowed to black hat this at all. Let's just share ideas." So then everyone's just sharing ideas and like, we have a chance to be excited and creative and get these things out there. And after it's like all the creative steps out, it's like, "Okay, now let's put a black hat on, now it's black hat this." And now we can all look at it objectively you're like, "Okay, we're going to black hat this and go through the black hat things." And then we put on a different colored hat and go through those things. Josh: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Russell: And we go through different hats, but they're separately, they're not all happening at the same time. Because if it happens at the same time, it destroys my creativity and excitement and energy. I want to like strangle the person. But like, man, I need those people. I need Jamie to look at this and be like, "Here's 40 ways why this isn't going to work." Like, oh crap, I didn't think about that, that or that. We stack the different hats as opposed to doing them all at the same time and making us all want to kill each other. And that has been- Josh: That's so helpful. Russell: Huge for us. Like for me, it's huge. I always tell people like when I start brainstorming, like, "Okay, green hat time, no negative, no what ifs. Let's go." And then we just do that. And you see like the black hat people are like twitching and they're like, don't worry, you’re going to get your shot, but not yet. Until everything's out and it's like, "Okay, black hat's on. What do you guys got?" And then they can go do their thing. Josh: You need some anxiety medication over there. Russell: Yeah. We can do a whole, like two day training on that, too. Because it's such a powerful thing. But conceptually, it's breaking those things in that way. Josh: All right, Russell. Well, in your other life, we'll just have an entire podcast where all we do is just do deep dives all day long. But in this life, we have to stick with constraints of where we're at. So anyway, thank you for sharing that. Super, super helpful. I appreciate it. Russell: No worries. Thank you, Josh. Appreciate you guys. Hopefully you enjoyed this episode. As you guys are building your teams, remember the principles we talked about. You've got to become the coach, you've got to attract A players, you got to put them in the right spots, figure out ways to make it profitable for them in the long term, figure out personality types, you can serve them the right way. Black hat, green hat, red hats. We should do an episode on just on all hat ... I have to go back to remember all the other colored hats. But anyway- Josh: All right, our next- Russell: There you go. Josh: Go around, I'll be like you have homework for this. Russell: Russell, prepare for this and we'll go. Josh: Prepare for this one. That'd be awesome. Russell: That'd be awesome. Thanks everyone for listening. Thank you, Josh. And we'll see you guys on the next episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did you know this may be holding you back from success in your business? Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets podcast. One of the questions I get asked a lot about, and I don't spend a lot of time talking about it, is actually money and mindset around money, and how that works, and things that can help you to make more money, things that hold you back from making money. They have nothing to do with your skill set, it just has everything to do with the conversations, the beliefs, the things inside of your mind. This interview with Josh Forti, it was really fun and hopefully you enjoy it. Hopefully it'll help you if you do have money blocks, to help you get unstuck. If you don't think you have money blocks, you probably do. And this hopefully, interview, will make you very aware of those things, and help you to find those things and knock them out in your life. That said, we'll keep the theme song, and when we come back, listen in on this interview with me and Josh Forti. What's up everybody? Welcome back The Marketing Secrets podcast. I'm here today again with Josh Forti, and we're having so much fun today. We just recorded one episode and now we're going deep into episode number two, which we're going to be talking about mindset as it relates to things that are very specific to you guys as entrepreneurs. I'll Josh talk more about this as he's going to be queuing up the question, but hope you guys enjoy this episode as well. Josh Forti: All right, man. First off, we got to talk about your shirt. I feel like there's got to be a story behind this. Guys, for those of you that are listening on audio, let me just explain real quick. It is a skull and crossbones, but it's not just a skull and crossbones. It's got bunny ears on the skull. It's got little waves off to the side. What does it say on the sleeve? Russell: It says, "Psycho bunny." Josh: Psycho bunny. Russell: This is actually a really cool brand called Psycho Bunny, and I bought a couple of their things. I'm like, "This is a cool brand." And then I was shopping with Bart Miller in Vegas, and they have a Psycho Bunny shop. I went in there- Josh: Oh dang! Russell: And they had shirts and jackets and suit jackets that have the Psycho Bunny inside. It's just a fun, cool brand, and I really like it. Psycho Bunny. Josh: Okay. There's no grand, huge story behind how you got it. You just liked it. Russell: I should buy the company because it'd be really cool. Anyway, nope. Nothing. Josh: Guys, when you're a funnel hacker and when you decide to take over the world and create empires, you can randomly decide on a podcast that you're just going to ... "I should buy the company." That's not a normal thing that most people get to say, but it's super dope. Russell: This could be a fun episode in the future because as we acquired two big companies last year and I'm learning about this and having more fun with it, there are some cool ... For most of us, we look at a company, like, "There's no way I could buy that company," but then like Tai Lopez who just bought RadioShack and he bought Pier 1 Imports and all these companies… Josh: Dress Barn. Yeah. Russell: Now, I bought a couple companies and I'm like, oh, my gosh, there's actually a really cool strategy where it doesn't technically cost you any money if you do it correctly. We bought Dan Kennedy's company for a steal. We've launched the first thing. Now we made our money back. And now moving forward, everything I do with Dan Kennedy's company is pure, unadulterated profit to the bottom line. And that's exciting because ... All of a sudden it's like, you can actually buy companies when you understand the core principles of what we do. Anyway, that's a topic for another day, but it's kind of a fun one. Josh: So much fun stuff. Topic for another day. We'll do many episodes. Now is not the time. We're going to dive into what I think goes really well with our last episode. Last episode we talked about goal setting and setting things up, and that last bit of it was around identity and beliefs and values and rules and things like that. I want to talk about mindset here, and specifically the mindset ... There's a couple core key areas, because what's interesting is a lot of times we think mindset is we have to train our minds to think a certain way, or we have to overcome false beliefs about bad things. Like, "I'll never be successful" or "I'll never be this." But it goes both ways, because often times we can have fear of success. We can have fear that, oh, my gosh, what happens if I actually achieve that goal? There's so many different things around that, that we could dive into, but I want to kick off with this one specifically around mindset around money. I do want to talk about not just money, failure, doing the impossible, things like that, but I want to start with money because I feel like money is one of these things that we all have some form of weird relationship with it. Very few people grew up in a home where their parents and everybody around them had a healthy relationship with money, because most people ... I would say 90 plus percent of the people that I've met do not have a healthy relationship with money. They don't understand it. They don't understand what it represents, how it works, any of the things with it. For you, I want you to take us back because one of things, and I've kind of told you this at the beginning, a lot of people in the ClickFunnels world, like Russell. I was talking to Brad Gibb the other day. Shout out to Brad. He's awesome. He's like, "Russell has come and he's taken these handcuffs off of us, to where now we just can print money." It's ridiculous. It's kind of a cheat code. When we talk about it to all of our friends, we go around and we're like, "Yeah, we just kind of make money on the Internet." They're like, "How do you do that?" We're like, "We don't know. We just do what Russell says and it just works." Russell: It’s a magic trick! Josh: It just shows up. It's amazing. We've kind of unshackled the making of money, if we follow what it is, but keeping money. But our thoughts around money, our beliefs around money, how we perceive and value money, how we think money is going to change us. All of these different other things around money, those things are now new problems that a lot of us are running into, or have not yet applied the things that you've told us to do because of those beliefs. I think both of those are true. I've seen so many people ... I made not a ton, ton of money, but certainly 10 times more money than I'd ever made in my life when I first got started, and blew it all because of my poor, very unhealthy, almost toxic relationship with money. Take us back, what are the money shifts or the beliefs around money, specifically in mindset, that you had to go through. I'm just going to kind of leave that open ended and see where you take it. Russell: The first thing I think that would be useful for everyone is for everyone to actually, honestly sit down and look at their relationship with money and understand it ... It's funny because if you would ask Russell 15 years ago Russell if this was actually a real thing, I'd be like, "No, this is stupid. Just make money. It's easy." But I had a friend who I worked with, man, probably 12, 13 years ago on a project and he was someone who is super charismatic, super dynamic, super talented person. When he was younger, he used his talents and his gifts and he made a whole bunch of money really, really fast. Crazy, crazy money. Money that doesn't make any sense. When he got that money, he started doing stupid things with it. He got into drugs and alcohol and all the problems that are associated with when you make too much money too fast as a kid, and almost destroyed his life. He almost died. He almost lost his family and his marriage. All these things happened. He lost all the money, which was probably a blessing. And then he refixed his life. And then he got back to the spot where he's like, "I want to make money again." I watched him for probably 10 years of his life, where he would do all the right things, he would get close to making a bunch of money and then he would literally subconsciously destroy everything he had built, and it kept happening. At first I was so confused by it. I'm like, "You were so close. How do you keep messing this up? I don't understand it." Then he told me a story. He didn't know this subconsciously but we had a conversation one night where he told me a story. I was like, "Oh, my gosh. Subconsciously, you are linking the destruction of your family, your health and all these things to making money, because that's what happened the very first time. Now every time you get close to it, your whole subconscious mind is like, no, and starts making you do stupid things to destroy yourself from actually having success." I've seen ... Now, it's been a decade of me watching this. And as much as I love this person, I keep seeing him. He's so talented, so many gifts, and keeps not having any success because of this thing that happened in his youth. His is an extreme example, but this is happening to all of us. You think about when you were growing up, what are the things that your parents said about money? What are the things that you heard at church about money? What are the things you heard in different spots? There are so many things that have been ingrained in our head that we don't even know consciously. And also, we start having success in whatever. We start making money or we start getting close to making money, and all these warning signals are popping off in your head, like, don't get money because of this because you'll become a bad person and you're going to fall away from God. You're going to be doing this. You're going to be the bad person. You look at TV. Myron Golden is the first one that ever pointed this out to me. You look at every movie, every superhero movie, for the most part, the bad guy is the rich billionaire who is this horrible person. This is ingrained in our heads that money is going to make us evil. Those things are real, and even if you don't think that they're affecting you, they probably are. Josh: And then you don't consciously believe it. Subconsciously they control you. Russell: Yeah, it's affecting you. I've seen this in my own journey. When I first started making money, I thought everyone was going to be excited. I was like, "This is so cool." I was so excited to teach everybody else. I started making money. I start teaching people and try to show my friends and my family and what happened. The response I got was not what I thought it was going to be. It was not like, "This is amazing-" Josh: At all. Russell: "Let's try it." Instead it was weird, especially for my wife. My wife struggled with it even more so than me because I've had success in parts of my life in the past where ... In wrestling, I was a state champ, I was an all-American. I hit these different things, but there was this weird side of success you aren't expecting where the people around you who you think are going to be celebrating with you, they don't. In fact, I remember my mom when I bought my dream house ... My house is ... You've been to my house. Josh: Your house is insane. It's so awesome. Russell: It’s like the coolest thing in the world. When I was growing up, I wanted an insane house. I remember I was finally at a spot where I could buy this house. In the reality, I didn't pay it off immediately. I could've just paid cash for it. I didn't. But within two years I think I paid it off, which was a big deal for me. But I remember when I was buying my house, I remember a comment my mom said. She was like, "You don't want to buy a house like this because then you're going to be one of those rich people up on the hill." I was like, "What does that mean, mom?" She was like, "They're the ones that are always looking down at everybody else." I'm like, "What?" All of a sudden I was scared to tell my mom about my success because my mom viewed the rich people as this thing over here. And then other people. It was this weird thing where all of a sudden it makes you want to shrink down, it makes you want to hide because you're like, "I don't want people judging me because of this thing." For all of you guys, for all of us, there's these things that may happen, where comments are made, when people we love and respect were to all of a sudden to ... The side of success that you think is going to happen doesn't. Especially in money. I think money is a big one because it's such a thing. Josh: Yeah. I also think that because of the stories that we're told by everybody else, like you're saying, subconsciously it's ingrained in our society, what money is and how it works, nobody understands it. Taylor Welch ... You know Taylor, right? Taylor Welch? Russell: Yep. Josh: He's the one ... He and I have become ... I don't want to say good friends, but certainly friends over the past little bit. He was actually the very first person I ever interviewed on my podcast. Russell: Very cool. Josh: He got me into money. He was like, "Study money. Because once you understand how it works, it'll completely change your perspective of it." I always joke around with my mom. I'm like, "Money's not real. It's all fake." In America specifically, the U.S. dollar is not real. It's all fake and it's all made up. She always pushes back. She's like, "It's not fake because I can guy groceries with it." I'm like, "That right there, that shows that I have a different relationship ..." And side note, I freaking love my mom. My mom and I have an amazing relationship. But my mom and I have a completely different fundamental relationship with money. That was a very interesting learning lesson for me. When you change your relationship with money, when you change how it works, when you understand it differently and when you change your relationship with it, it also becomes not hard to get or keep, because now you're not needy of it. Your relationship changes with it. I always think about ... Take it back to dating. I'm not even going to say the book because I don't want people to go ... It's not a great book, but I was reading a clip out of this book one time and the guy in it goes, "Money and ..." Let's say, relationship. Money and girls are kind of the same thing. Those are not the words he used, but money and girls are the same way. If you're desperate and needy of it, you'll never have it. But if you don't care, it'll come abundantly. That was a very interesting shift for me as well. Anyway, I didn't mean to interrupt you but that was very interesting. Russell: It's key. As I studied Tony Robbins, the biggest thing I learned ... One of the biggest things. I shouldn't say the biggest, but is just becoming aware of things. I think the first step for of any us is being aware of how this is actually affecting you. For a lot of us, at whatever level you're at, the reason you're not at the next level is because there's some belief around it that's keeping you from there. It's interesting, I remember when I had the goal, when I hit a million dollars in a year, I didn't hit it three years in a row. Every year I was within $50,000. Like, $75,000. How am I not hitting this? It was like, I had these weird beliefs around that thing. As soon as I broke it, I was like, this is easy. Going from million to 10 million was next. Getting to two, three, five, eight million was easy, but then 10 million was this gap where I was stuck. It's beliefs. What's easy? What's hard? A couple things ... Again, this is one of those topics. I've never taught this before so I don't have the, here's the Russell three step framework. Things have happened in my life that I became aware of this for myself. One of them was, I had a coach ... I've had her a couple times throughout my life. She's awesome. One of my favorite coaches of all time. Her name is Tara Williams. Tara ... It was interesting because I always thought ... Again, especially people who are religious, there's always this belief of is money going to make me evil? You hear these things on the side. I definitely had this subconscious fear around that. If I get too much money, I'm going to forget God. I'm going to forget my family. All these things couple happen. Because they do. They happen to so many people. We see it. I had that fear behind it. I remember, especially when I bought my house, I was like, I bought this house and it's crazy. Anyway, Tara was at our house, actually, doing a coaching session with my wife and I. It was an interesting thing. But she said a couple things in that meeting that had a big impact on me. One of the things was ... She asked my wife this specifically. "Do you think this is bad that he bought this house?" My wife is like, "Yeah." She has so much guilt associated with it, because she's like ... It was interesting because Tara brought back, "Because you guys have money, talk about things you've done. Last year you gave a million dollars to OUR. Last year you did this. Last year you did this. How many people have you helped? How many entrepreneurs have you empowered? How many jobs have you created?" We started going through this whole thing, and it was like, all these things you're doing has been creating wealth for you. You have this wealth. You can just give it away and you guys do give a lot away, but is it bad for you now to enjoy some of it, to buy a house? Still she was like, "I don't know. Is it bad or not?" She's like, "Now you have this house, what have you guys done with this house?" I was like, "We have our kids here and we have our family here. We bring people here. We're able to serve people at a different level because we have these things." All of a sudden it was like, oh, my gosh, this isn't a bad thing. I remember hearing Richard Branson, somebody asked him ... Who was it? It was another one of those moments for me that opened my mind. But someone asked Branson, "Do you feel guilty that you're not down at the soup kitchen helping feed these people?" Branson's response was so powerful. He said, "The people of the soup kitchen who are feeding people, that's amazing. We're so grateful for them. They're giving their time and their effort. It's powerful. I'm not going to go to the soup kitchen and feed people soup, but I can give the soup kitchen $50,000, and that's going to feed 10,000 people. It's different service but it's still service, and this is able to help even more people." I started thinking about that. Man, these tools that we create, like wealth and the things that we have can be so much more impactful if we use it correctly. It's not a bad thing. It's just understanding these are tools that we have. Anyway ... Josh: It's interesting you say that and phrase it that way because that was one of the things, actually, Brad Gibb, he's a very good friend of mine as well, and we talk a lot. And he's taught me probably more about money as far as investing how it works and how to use it and things like that, probably more than anybody else. Very, very smart. One of the things that he said is money is not all the same. He's like, "You can have a million dollars over here and a million dollars over here and one of them be used for good and to multiply and to be productive, and one of them be used just to indulge and be gluttonous and to be greedy. Is money good or bad? It's not good, it's not bad. It is. It is a tool for exchange. How you go and use it will determine whether or not it's good or bad for you in your own life." When he put it that way, I was like, if I have my money and I'm investing and I'm multiplying it and it's creating freedom and then I'm using that to be able to go out and give back, all of a sudden money is now good. It makes me be able to do my job better. But if I'm just going and I make a million dollars and I go to Vegas and I put 100 grand on black, cool. Maybe once in your lifetime. But that is not a good thing anymore. Now it's taking away from your gift. It can either be an amplifier or it can be something that takes away. That was a really, really big shift for me. It was like, how am I using it? Russell: It's powerful. Again, it just comes down to there's so many subconscious things that are weird about it. Next thing I want to talk about for entrepreneurs too ... And this is a trap with money that I got caught into for almost 15 years. When I stared my business, I remember I started making some money. I figured out what my wife and I needed to live. I think at the time it was $8,000 a month that was giving us the most amazing lifestyle ever. We set it up where our paycheck was eight grand a month and that's what was coming from the company. And everything else in the company I kept reinvesting back into the company. For a while that's important. That's where we're going to grow, where we're going to expand it. I look at my business for the next decade at least, maybe longer, I never pulled anything else out. It only kept getting reinvested, reinvested. And eventually ... Some of you guys heard my story. 10, 12 years ago we had this big crash where everything got shut down and we lost everything. And the thing that sucked is when it all was said and done, I had nothing. We never pulled money out. We never invested. We never did anything. It was all being reinvested back into the business. I got my guarantee, we had our certainty, eight grand a month coming in consistently every single time, but then nothing happened. I remember when we launched after that happened and everything crashed and we were rebuilding back up, during that time we had no money so everything is being reinvested back into the business because we had no business at that point. We started figuring this out. That's where I met Todd. We launched Click Funnels. When we launched Click Funnels, I instantly went back to my same pattern. Like, cool, all the money goes back into Click Funnels. That's how we're going to do this thing. Todd was like, "Dude, just so you understand, I did not build this thing to just have a good paycheck and let this thing keep growing. This is not worth it for me unless we pull money out." I remember I was like ... I had so much fear and I was like, "No. We can't do this." This is one of Todd and I's first and probably only real things where he was just like, "It's not worth it to me unless this is producing money that's being put over here for my family, for my church, for my faith, all the things I want to be doing." Again, we fought back and forth for a couple of months. The very first time we had some profit. I was like, "What do I do with this profit? Put it back in the business." Todd was like, "No, we need to pull it out of the business," and we fought back and forth. Finally, we figured out a way to make us both happy where we figured ... At the time, we need three months of money in reserve. Worst case scenario, that's there. But then after that's over, all of the money, 100% of the money needs to be pulled out and given to the owners. Otherwise we're going to be like you were, Russell, 15 years in and you've got nothing to show for it. All the stress, all the effort, all the energy, and nothing to show for it. That's how we set things up. I remember it was so scary for me. In fact, when we started pulling out and distributing out the profits every single month, I kept mine in there for two years. I didn't touch a penny of it because I'm like ... It's in my separate account. It's over there. What was crazy, though, is that all of a sudden this thing that I was doing started actually producing wealth for me, which took the stress down. I started seeing this thing happening, and all of a sudden it started giving me options where I had no options ahead of time. I think for a lot of entrepreneurs it's like, we have this thing ... It's funny because I see even big people like Gary Vee talk about this, like, "I don't care about money. I dump all my money back in. I'm just building this brand." I'm like, I thought that was the thing for a while too, but it's not. If the business is not producing wealth for the owners, what's the point of it? Eventually you got a job and that's it. It needs to be doing something or else it's not serving you, and therefore, it's not a gift. Josh: Was that the thing, though, helping you overcome that? Was it just doing it? Is that what helped you overcome it? Russell: Yeah, Todd forced me. If it wasn't for Todd, I would still be pulling out eight grand a month and that would be where I would be living. 100%. Todd forced me to do it and it stressed me out. I was so scared. For two years I didn't touch the money and all of a sudden it was like, oh, my gosh, there's this money here. Now I have the ability to ... This thing I had created, this value I was trying to put into the world was paying us back, and now we could ... Now we had all sorts of options. Especially when you're really pushing and you're working hard and you're grinding on something, if aren't seeing some tangible value back from it, it's not serving you. It's just taking from you. Again, this was my personal money, one of my personal issues I struggled with. This may or may not be that, but I would say for all of you guys, looking at this as you are creating a business and creating wealth, you need to be pulling things out. What you do with it is up to you. Like you talked about, use it for good, evil. You can give it to charity. You can do whatever. But if the business is just paying for itself, the business will continue to eat up all your money. It will. You leave money it, it's going to continue to eat it up and it'll disappear as fast as it can possibly happen. But if you start pulling it out and it's over here and it's different, man, it becomes more efficient. It becomes more effective. Everything becomes better because of that. Josh: It's funny, because my thing ... I had that same struggle except I wasn't even paying myself. I was literally just, what are my bills for the month, the bare minimum, and then that was it. And then I met my now wife and I started thinking about finances and she wanted stuff. I was like, but also the business. It was kind of like this thing. Katie came along and was like, "Josh ..." The very first ... She didn't give me a lot of tactical things. It was very mindset-focused. I remember one of the biggest tactical things that she gave me out of the very few that she did, she was like, "You need to pay yourself a paycheck, and that paycheck needs to not only be enough to cover all of your expenses, but it needs to in excess." When I started to put away multiple thousand dollars a month into savings or into being able to invest outside of the company, it changed my whole entire perspective. Weirdly enough, magically, the business made more money. It was like, made it every month. It was like, we're entrepreneurs. We figure out problems. Our brain programs for it. And then I started looking at it as myself as an expense. I was like, I'm a line item on the books. Just like I pay a contractor, that's me. All of a sudden, the business made enough money to cover that. But before that, it didn't. It was crazy. Russell: It's interesting because when you start seeing the results ... I've talked about this before. If you look at my Disc profile, there's the D-I-S-C, and then there's your values. My number one value is ROI. If I can't see the ROI of a situation, it makes it harder for me to do it. I was in business for a decade and a half and the ROI I was getting was good. I was like, "I'm helping people and having success, and it's fun to see the success stories." That was the ROI I was getting, and it was good. It kept me going. But man, I look at the last seven years of Click Funnel, it was like the pressure and the stress and all of the type of things. If it wasn't for the ROI, it took this pressure, but here's the ROI of it, I wouldn't have been able to do it. As soon as I started seeing the ROI and the ROI gets bigger and bigger and bigger, all of a sudden it's like, this becomes fun again and you get excited. How do I make the ROI ... For me, it's all about the ROI, the return on investment, any situation is the key. If you don't have the ROI, it gets hard. It's hard to be creative. It's hard to come up with the next idea, the next thing, and the stress and the pressure that comes. What's the return on investment for the effort you're putting into it? But if you see the ROI and you start amplifying it, then it becomes a more fun game. That's where you start growing from a million to a 10 to 100 and beyond because it's like, I see this game. I'm playing it. I'm getting the return on investment. But I never saw that before because the only return on investment I was getting was this one thing, and those things they feel good, but it's hard to keep score with the feel goods. You got to have a scoreboard to see, like, oh, my gosh, I'm winning. Can I win even more? What's it going to look like? And now it gives you options and opportunities… Josh: You mean you're telling me that all the stress and pressure isn't worth $8,000 a month? Russell: You know, I could get ... I was like ... Nowadays with all of the inflation, I can work at McDonald's for eight grand a month, I think. It's crazy. Josh: Man. Russell: But back then- Josh: That's crazy. Russell: That was the ... Anyway, it's crazy. Josh: You can buy Bitcoin and keep up with inflation. Bitcoin, the savior of money. One more. I kind of want to dive ... I wasn't going to make this a money episode, because that's kind of where it's been. When did you make the shift ... One of the big problems with entrepreneurs, talking maybe a little bit more established entrepreneur, is once they're making money ... I was talking with Brad about this and he was talking about in the inner circle. He was in there ... Or in Category Kings, right? The guy's like, "What's the main problem that you solve?" Brad was like, "So interesting. We thought we could answer that question." Then he asked us it and we try to do it, and it was like, dang, what is the main problem that we solve? What he said is one of the things that they came down to was entrepreneurs know that if they have money, it should be doing more. But they don't know what to do with it. This is something that you probably are an amplified example of this, because you're really, really good at making money. You don't even need to think about what your money should be doing because you can just go make more of it. Once again, that because you've unshackled us. It's like, "All right, want a new car? Go build a funnel. You want a palace? Go build a funnel. Want to take a vacation? Launch a funnel. Just do a funnel and you print money." For you, when did that shift happen for you when you actually started paying attention to, I can't just leave my money in an account right now? I can't just buy cars and houses because those don't make me ... You have houses, you've got the cars, you've got everything you've ever wanted and you still have money left over, so when did you make that shift of, my money needs to be doing more, and how did you solve that problem? Russell: Interesting. This is one that's been more recently solved for me, actually, which is fascinating. For a long I was just hoarding it. Just hoarding it, keeping it here. Then Brad and Ryan ... You have to invest it. I'm like, "I don't want to do that." They forced me to do ... I give them a bunch of money every year and they do whatever they do with it, and that's awesome. I'm like, "Okay, cool. Something is happening." But then the money kept adding up. I remember one day I was like, "I'm in a weird spot where I could buy almost anything I want. What do I want? I'm going to go and spend some money." I remember going to eBay and I was like, "I'm going to buy anything I want." I was searching for stuff, and I spent four hours on eBay when all of a sudden I spent three grand. I was like, "That's it. I got everything I wanted." I was like, "Oh, crap, now what do I do with it?" It was interesting, because for me, it was like ... Again, this is something ... It's been a recent development. I can't remember if it was this podcast or the one I talked about it, I was like, I didn't know what to do with this. Yeah, I could invest in real estate, but that wasn't inspiring to me. I have money in crypto, but that's not inspiring. What's the things that's going to inspire me to want to do more? Again, it's ROI for me. What's going to give me the ROI of now I got to create more money so I can do this thing? So I have a lot of things. Again, we give money to charity. All those things are good and they get me excited. But I was like, what would be the thing that, for me, would amplify? When we bought Dan Kennedy's company, it was the first time I felt it. I bought his thing. We reorganized it, cleaned it up, and I was like, "Oh, my gosh, I'm able to take these things that were so precious to me and I can bring them back to the world, and I can monetize them. I can actually make money off of this thing." I got really excited. I told you I started buying old books. I started investing in Napoleon Hill books and Charles Haanel and Orison Swett Marden and Samuel Smiles and all these people, the founding fathers of personal development and business and all these kinds of things. I've literally spent a small fortune ... I've spent a lot of money in the last couple months on these old, old books, because now it's like, I'm not investing in real estate that's over here. I'm investing in these things I don't care about. Now it's like I'm investing in something that I can take and that I can turn this into more money, and I can turn it into help. I can serve my entrepreneurs. I can do more things with it. For me, that's what's been stimulating for me. That was the investment of ... It was like, I can dump it back into things, but it was like something that's meaningful to me. For some people, crypto is meaningful. For some people it's NFT. Finding the thing that's not just like, I'm investing to invest, but what's the thing that you're passionate about it where it becomes more than just ... For me, that's what I'm geeking out on. You know this, next door I'm building a 20,000 square foot library to house all these books, to build an event center, to build all these kind of things because this is what I feel like my life's mission is. I'm curating all these ideas and I'm bringing them back to people in the simple new form to help these ideas and these concepts live on. For me, that's double fulfilling because it'll make me money, but it's also something that can serve the people I've been called to serve as well. Again, buying Kennedy's company, I'm serving these people, but I'm also making money, which gives me the ability to serve more people. It's kind of fun. Josh: What was the shift, though? For a while you didn't do that, right? Russell: For a while I just sat there. I didn't know what it was. Josh: Who or what got you to the point where you're like, "Okay, I've got to go figure this out"? Yes, this is what you ended up doing with it, but I think a lot of people, there's got to be that thing that's like, "This is when I realized I got to figure out ..." Or some people just let it sit their whole life, I guess. You know what I'm saying? Russell: I heard stories about ... I don't know how true ... But like Scottie Pippen or Mike Tyson, he made half a billion dollars and he's broke. I was like, I don't want to be that dude who made a half a billion dollars and is broke right now. I need to figure out ... I always joke with Brad and Ryan when we were writing their webinar page initially, I was like ... On 30 Rock, there's that scene where Liz Lemon is talking to Alec Baldwin and he's like, "I need that thing that rich people do where they turn money into more money." He's like, "Investing?" He's like, "Yeah. I want to do that." For me, it was like, I've got money here. I need to figure out how to turn money into more money, that's not just me doing the whole thing. How do we amplify what we’re doing? How do we have that exponential growth? That was kind of the thing that got me into it. Again, initially it was doing the things that weren't exciting. I'd invested money in real estate and I hated that, so I had Brad and Ryan, I invested money with them. That was cool. It was passive. It wasn't passionate. I was trying to figure out what's the thing that I'm going to be passionate about, where now it becomes part of a game. Now I can see the ROI on this thing. I invested $40,000 this weekend on old books, how do I turn that into $400,000 or four million or 40 million? Can I do that? Now begins ... Now it's fun. Some people, real estate is that game. I got friends who own 100 houses, or 200 houses, and that's the game that they love. I look at Tai Lopez and he's buying these businesses. That's the game that he loves. What's the game you're going to love, the investing game you're going to love? There's a million ways to invest, but when you find one that you love, then it becomes ... Now it becomes a fun part of the game. I think it's understanding first off you need to do it, otherwise you're going to ... You mentioned this ... I can't remember if it was before we started recording, but people who have won Two Comma Club and they got nothing, or Two Comma Club X and they're broke. Entrepreneurs are good at generating money, but there's this other part that you got to learn how to invest it correctly. Otherwise, you're going to pull a Tyson or a Pippen and be broke in a couple of years from now. Yeah, I got 3 Two Comma Club awards on the wall, but I'm trying to figure out how to feed my family this weekend, and that’s now where you want to be… Josh: That's so crazy that's a reality for people. It really, really is. I think that's one of the things that I am very, very thankful to have learned relatively early on, is ... Russell: They're two different skill sets. Making money- Josh: They are. Russell: And keeping money are not the same thing. Josh: Yeah. Russell: They are completely different skill sets. In fact, typically, the people who are good at making money are the worst at managing it. Josh: Keeping it. Russell: It's like yin and yang. Understanding that if you're good at making it, you find people around you, like Brad and Ryan, I was like, "Here's money. Do that thing you do because I don't want to mess it up." Josh: Yeah. Russell: In fact, it's funny, before I invested money with Brad and Ryan, I invested it in two different deals. I was like, "This is the greatest thing in the world." Both of them, literally both of them turned out to Ponzi schemes. I got to write off multiple of millions of dollars last year because I gave money to ideas that were so good that me as the entrepreneur was like, "This is genius. This is the greatest thing in the world." Ponzi scheme. I got sold on the thing. It's funny, one of my friends just sold his business for eight figures and he messages me. He was like, "All right. I want to ask your opinion. Where should I put this money?" I was like, "Dude, do not ask me. If I think it's a good idea, it's going to be a Ponzi scheme. Find someone who, that's their life, is that, like Brad and Ryan. Go give your money to them," or find something like I'm doing now with the books and stuff, where it's like now. This is something that fits into my skill set. I think it was ... What's the old dude who invests all the money? Warren Buffett, that said only invest in things you understand. It's like, I understand how to turn old information into money. I'm investing in information and intellectual property because I can turn that into more money, and so that becomes something I can invest in, because I understand the game. I don't understand- Josh: So interesting. Russell: This, but I do understand this, therefore, I will invest in the thing I understand because I can turn this into more money. Josh: That makes sense. Side note on Warren Buffett, you know 80% of his wealth or something like that came off of nine trades? Russell: Really? Josh: Nine investments that he made, it produced 80% of his wealth or something like that. Isn't that insane? Russell: That is fascinating. Josh: That's why when ... I read the quote from him, it was in the context of this quote. It was like, Warren Buffett is like, everyone thinks they have to make a bunch of good decisions. He was like, "I try to make three good decisions a year." I was like, "Oh, my gosh. What the heck?" And then I found out that 80% of his wealth came from ... It was eight or nine trades or something, or investments, and I was like, "All right. I guess that makes sense, then, if you only need to make ..." Anyway, last question, rapid fire question on money. Is there anything that you could do, if you could go back and change something about what you've done or your handling with money, is there anything that you would change, and if so, what's the biggest thing that would be? Russell: Good question. I think I would've started ... Number one, I would've started pulling money out of my business faster. Number two, I would've had a plan for what I would do with that money. I wish I would've said, "I'm going to pull out ... After three months of thing, pull out all the profit, I'm going to put 25% in real estate, 25% in crypto, 25% in something else, and just have that happening in the background, I'd be a much wealthier man today." It took me a long, long time before I did that. Todd forced me to start putting money into crypto, which was one of the greatest gifts ever for me. Brad and Ryan are now forcing me to put money over here. It's like taking that and putting it in spots where again, it's not going to be 100%. I'm going to fall for two Ponzi schemes a year probably, but if I can get one of them to win and three of them to fail, or whatever that is, that's the big thing. I always thought that I will start pulling money out when blah. When I hit Two Comma Club, when I hit a million. The problem is that win never comes. You got to structure from day number one. When money comes in, boom. Profits come out. This happens here. I pay myself first. From the money I pay myself, 10% is going to go for me to go do stupid things, 25% is going to go into real estate or Bitcoin or stocks or whatever. And dividing that stuff up so it's happening at a small level, because when that happens, I wasted a decade and a half before any kind of investments happening. Can you imagine if I had 15 years of the stuff I was doing, turning into something? I missed out on so much of that, that I wish I would've done. Josh: You just got to make sure that you have a small percentage there, which is dedicated to losing bets and Bitcoin to Josh. If you have that, then we're good. For the rest of your life, you're going to be losing bets, so that's how that's going to work. Guys, I hope you enjoyed this episode with money. I'll let you sign it off, but this was awesome. We get to hear Russell Brunson talk about money, which is something that, you make a ton of it, but you don't really talk about it, which is awesome. Thanks for sharing a little bit more. Russell: Thank you. I apologize I don't have a framework for this yet, but this gets me thinking, man, if I could figure out something for entrepreneurs, this is the next thing to do, so then I'll talk more about it as I figure things out. But it's fascinating. I remember I bought a Dan Kennedy course on wealth creation, and it was fascinating because I'd heard Dan talk about building businesses and all that sort of stuff, but it was the first time he ever talked about wealth. Again, same thing. Fascinating. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I never thought about that side of the coin because most entrepreneurs don't talk about it, or don't think about it. I think it's important for us to think and talk and do more with it because again, 15 years of never investing anything, man, it would've been nice. I'd be in a different spot right now than I am today, for sure. Thank you, Josh, for hanging out and talking about money. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode. 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Russell went live today to answer a question from the community. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Hey everyone, it's Russell Brunson welcoming you back to the Marketing Seekers podcast! Today's topic is a popular one – how to land your first client as a funnel builder.  Building funnels is crucial in today's market, honing skills like copywriting, design, and strategy. The key? Start by offering your services to someone else. Find your dream client and offer to build their funnel for free. I did this with Drew Canole, helping him launch his Organifi funnel. His success became my case study, attracting more clients. Here's the plan: identify your dream client, offer to build their funnel for free, deliver stellar results, and use that as leverage to attract paying clients. It's about showcasing your ability to deliver results. This strategy applies not only to funnel building but to any venture – courses, products, you name it. So, focus on creating a compelling case study, and watch your business grow. Keep those questions coming, and I'll keep answering them on the podcast. Thanks for tuning in! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a rare Russell rant, find out what made him upset today, and how you can protect yourself from annoying customers. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Hey everyone, it's Russell Brunson here, and today I've got a bit of a rant to share on the Marketing Secrets podcast. Now, I'm usually a positive guy, but today, I'm feeling slightly annoyed. Let me tell you why. I pour my heart and soul into serving people. I work tirelessly, create valuable offers, and invest millions to simplify and change lives. Yet, there's a small but vocal group of people who seem to despise success. They put up barriers and complain, hindering their own progress. Let me give you some context. We're in the midst of launching Dan Kennedy's newsletter, and while I know it'll yield long-term ROI, the upfront investment is staggering. I had to acquire Dan's company, negotiate, write content, hire teams – the costs are astronomical. And yet, we're offering $20,000 worth of bonuses for just $97 a month after a free trial. It frustrates me to see some people's attitudes. They want the freebies but balk at a slight inconvenience, like higher shipping fees. Instead of quietly canceling, they make a scene on Facebook, airing their grievances. It's mind-boggling. But here's the thing: You attract who you are, not who you want. I've noticed this pattern for years. Within minutes of meeting someone, I can tell if they'll be successful based on their mindset and attitude. It's uncanny. So, if you're the kind of person who complains, refunds, and blames others, guess what? That's the kind of customers you'll attract. But if you take personal responsibility, seek value, and show gratitude, you'll draw in like-minded individuals. I've refunded a product only once in over 20 years, and even then, the person gave me the refund without making a fuss. Why? Because I take responsibility for my choices. I dig for value and don't expect it to be handed to me on a silver platter. So, my message to you is simple: Become the kind of customer you want to be. Take ownership, seek value, and show gratitude. That's how you attract success. Alright, I've got to run to my daughter's Christmas concert. Take care, and I'll catch you later. Bye, everyone! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever witness someone succeed big time at something and then they can't repeat that success? Why is that? Russell examines the ingredients of success and why some people have staying power and others fizzle out. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- It sounds like you're exploring the concept of longevity and sustained success in both the world of UFC and business. You're noting how some individuals or businesses can achieve momentary success, yet struggle to maintain it over time, while others are able to sustain success and even continue growing. You're drawing parallels between UFC champions who have defended their titles multiple times and businesses that have launched successful offers repeatedly. One key insight you've highlighted is the importance of building a strong relationship and community with your audience. You've observed that some businesses focus solely on monetizing their list without nurturing the relationship, which can lead to audience disengagement and eventual decline. In contrast, you emphasize the significance of continually adding value and stacking offers that align with your core message and mission. Your message underscores the importance of consistency, focus, and delivering on the promises made to your audience. By staying true to your core message and continually providing value, you can build trust, loyalty, and long-term success. This aligns with principles outlined in your book "Expert Secrets," particularly the concept of identifying and leading with a new opportunity and then stacking additional opportunities to deepen engagement and retention. Overall, you're advocating for a strategic approach to business that prioritizes relationship-building, value creation, and alignment with your core message to achieve sustained success in the long term. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russell and Josh reveal the 2 biggest biohack, supplements, diets, brain food, focus & marketing. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- In a recent episode of the Marketing Secrets podcast, Russell Brunson and Josh Forti discussed the significance of biohacking, diet, energy, and supplements in enhancing brain function and overall health for entrepreneurs. Russell emphasized the need to optimize health to achieve greater productivity and success in business. Russell shared his personal journey from being a wrestler to becoming health-conscious after gaining significant weight post-wrestling. He initially hired a trainer and changed his diet, losing a substantial amount of body fat. This transformation highlighted the importance of health in improving productivity, as Russell realized that better health allowed him to accomplish more each day. One key topic was the timing of food intake. Russell noted that consuming carbohydrates can cause brain fog and fatigue. Therefore, he avoids carbs in the morning and afternoon, focusing on high fats and proteins instead. Carbs are reserved for the evening when they aid in falling asleep. The discussion also covered the use of nootropics and other supplements. While Russell appreciates certain nootropics like Alpha BRAIN, he is cautious about more extreme supplements and substances due to potential risks. He highlighted the importance of a balanced approach to supplementation, ensuring that any supplements taken are based on individual needs rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. Gut health emerged as a crucial factor. Russell mentioned that gut health directly impacts brain function. He shared his regimen of digestive enzymes, fermented foods like sauerkraut, and kombucha to improve digestion and nutrient absorption. He also recommended specific products like Gaines in Bulk digestive enzymes and GTs Alive mushroom root beer, which contains reishi, chaga, and turkey tail mushrooms for gut health. The conversation also touched on the role of sleep and sunlight as fundamental biohacks. Russell stressed that sleep is the most effective performance enhancer and that exposure to natural sunlight is vital for overall health. Josh Forti added his perspective on health and fitness, mentioning his experience with customized health analysis through blood tests and other assessments. This personalized approach helped him understand his specific health needs and tailor his diet and supplements accordingly. The episode concluded with a discussion about the balance between professional success and personal well-being. Russell and Josh emphasized that focusing on health is not just about physical appearance but about ensuring long-term mental and physical performance, which ultimately contributes to greater success in business and life. Overall, the podcast highlighted the interconnectedness of health, productivity, and entrepreneurial success. By optimizing diet, supplements, and lifestyle choices, entrepreneurs can enhance their mental clarity, energy levels, and overall performance, leading to more effective business practices and a better quality of life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this second installment of this special interview, Russell and Josh go super deep on ‘the master story’ and the attractive character…and what happens when you have tons of followers and NO ONE buys! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. So, today's episode is probably from most of my conversations with Josh, might have been one of my favorites. It was really, really fun. We started talking about expert secrets and storytelling and how they work, and attractive character profiles, which one you should be using, and how they work, and can you change them? And then also he started going into his concept of the master story, which is something I talk about in Perfect Webinar, but he goes really, really deep in it. And anyway, we geeked out. This was a really fun episode. I hope you enjoy it. With that said, let me cue up the theme song. When we get back, you'll have a chance to listen to this exciting conversation with me and Josh talking about story and attractive character, and a bunch of other really cool things. JoshForti: I got to ask this. Are you not on Twitter? Like I see you on Twitter a lot, and I see you posting stuff on Twitter. But is it not you that's engaging on Twitter? Russell: No, I don't know how to tweet. Josh: You don't know how to tweet? Russell, I tweeted you a lot. Or not a lot, but I tweeted you quite a bit. Russell: Oh, hey. Josh: And then sometimes you like my tweets. Dang it. Russell: I do like all your tweets. They're awesome. Josh: Yeah. Oh, man. Russell: I personally, I enjoy Instagram, probably my favorite. And then Facebook's probably number two. But that's the two social platforms I spend my personal time on the most. So, if it's from either of those two platforms, it's usually me. If it's other places... Josh: Do you have it like broken up? Like are you like, "Instagram, I do this type of content and stuff on. And Facebook, I do this type of content on." Or is it kind of like a mixture of both? Or... Russell: Um. Josh: For you personally. I know your team posts stuff, but... Russell: The only place I really post/do stuff typically is Instagram, like stories. That's where I kind of, like me personally, do stuff. And then Facebook and my personal page, probably once, every once in a while, I drop stuff there. And everything else, that's my team. Josh: Yeah, that's rare though, not often. Russell: Yeah. Josh: You're not like me who's like, "What? It's been 48 hours without some form of controversy? What can I say? Oh my God." All right. Well, actually, I kind of want to talk about that though. Not so much controversy, but creating content specifically around storytelling, because I think this is probably one of the biggest... Let me give backstory, a little context around this. I came into the world completely backwards of what most people do, right? So I was the guy that came into the world, and most people have no following and no followers, and they can't get leads to happen. Right? And they don't get anybody to show up to their webinar. And then they're super depressed because nobody showed up and nobody bought. I had the exact opposite problem. I had everybody show up and nobody bought. And let me tell you, that's way more depressing. You know why? Because when everybody shows up and nobody buys, you're like, "Crap. Now I really am screwed because I have no idea what's going on." Right? Russell: It was me, and not the… whatever, yeah. Josh: Right. It's not because nobody's hearing it. It's because I actually suck. And I remember the first time I ever did a webinar, we actually... I don't know if you remember this or not. I actually sent you a Snapchat. This is right when you first got Snapchat. This is way, way back in the day. I've told this story before. And I went and I was like, "Russell, what's up, man? I'm trying to build this webinar. How much would you charge me to build out a webinar for me or whatever?" Right? And you sent me a little video, a Snapchat video back. You're in the Jeep, and you were like, "Man, I don't really do that. I don't really do that anymore." So I like snapped you back, and then you snapped me back, and you're like, "It'd probably be like $250,000 or something like that. But I don't really do that." I'm like, "Man, I really wish I would've hired you for 250 grand." But anyway, so I go and we do this huge webinar, and everyone told us... We were like, "We're going to have all these people sign up." And everyone's like, "No. No, you're not. Nobody gets people to their webinar that easy. You maybe have a hundred registrants." We had 2000 people register, and we had a thousand people... We maxed out the room with a thousand people on live. At the pitch, there was like 982 people in the room. I go through, I do my pitch. No one buys, not a single person. And then we hung up, and like an hour goes by, and one person had bought. And most miserable, depressing... Russell: That's the worst because then you're like, "Crap. I thought there was no sound or something. Maybe they didn't hear me." Josh: Right, right, right. But I sat there and it was a bad webinar. We had like dozens, probably hundreds of emails and comments of like, "Can I have my money back for a free webinar? This totally sucks. Worst experience ever." It was awful, right? And what was interesting is that really scarred me for a while, from doing presentations and from doing anything where I pitched live. And so I basically went and I just did sales from that point on. I did lots of presentations. I did lots of content. But I did not actually go and pitch because really, it was like PTSD almost. Right? It was like, "I don't want to go back there." And what was interesting is I went and I would do sales, and I got good at sales, but sales is hard, man. Sales is just a different game. It's just like pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing. Right? And then my brother died, and out of just sheer not knowing what to do, I just started sharing my story because at that point you're like, "What do you do? My whole life is messed up at this point. I'm so confused." And so I just start sharing what I was going through, and I start sharing things of like the emotions and what I'm learning and what I'm going through. And I remember people just started buying, and it was like the weirdest thing, because I wasn't selling anything. Right? But I would go through and I'd be like, "I'm super grateful and thankful to have an audience right now because I'm able to go through and have a business that allows me to go and like be mobile and go to my brother's funeral or whatever." And then people started buying my programs. And I was like, "What in the world?" And then I would share other things, and then people would start buying. And I'm like, "I'm not actually selling these things. I'm just talking about my life." And what was interesting is I went back eventually later that year, and I went back to all these different people, and I was like, "Why did you buy this product?" And they're like, "Well, because you told such and such a story." Oh, that's interesting. So then I went over here and I was like, "Why did you buy that product?" And they're like, "Well, you guys told such and such story." And it was a completely different story. And it was like they were buying because they would hear a story, and they would associate that story with a product that I was selling, and they would go buy it. And so I had all these different products and all these different stories, and I was like, "Okay, well, I got to figure out what's the one story that I want people to figure out?" Right? So I could sell the one product. And so that's what I've really been focused on recently. But that lesson taught me that storytelling was everything, because I had heard that from you a million times. Right? Russell: Yeah. You didn't believe it. Josh: Story, story, story, story. Right? And I'm like, "I'm telling stories, Russell. What more do you want me to do?" But I wasn't. I was telling facts and I was going out there and trying to sound smart. And when I just let go of it all and was like, "This is the story, like the real, the raw, the genuine. I'm not trying to sell you anything. This is legitimately what's going on in my life." I made more money and more sales than I had before. And so I would love for you to talk about... Like I know in Expert Seekers you go through like storytelling and all the different, the core four stories, and the change of false beliefs. But what's the key? And maybe that's it, like going back through that. And that's fine. But like what's the key to telling a good story? Because I think not only do people... And there's a follow-up question to this, which I'm not going to tell you what it is yet. But what are the elements that make a good story? What actually makes a story work? And how do you tell one effectively? Russell: Yeah. First off, it's fascinating because I went through a very similar journey when I got in this world too. I remember going to my very first event. I saw people selling from stage, and seeing the numbers and doing the math, I was just like, "This is crazy. There's no way this actually works." And then I remember getting invited to speak at a seminar, and it was different because webinars are painful, but man, standing on stage and doing a pitch, and then it bombing was even worse. Because it's just like all these people, nobody moved, and it was just like... In fact, I remember I was like, "I'll never, after the first one, I'll never do this again." That was the worst experience ever. And that's when I joined the Dan Kennedy world, and they had this public speaking course. It was like 40 CDs. I remember the pack was like this thick of CDs. And I bought it because I was like, "I want to figure this thing out." I started listening to him. And I don't remember the course at all, other than this feeling of just like it's not teaching. Teaching is not what gets people to buy when you're on stage. It's telling these stories that connect with people. And it shifted my mindset, and so it shifted to the point where I went and tried again. And the next time I tried, I tried to weed these things in, and I got like six sales, a thousand bucks apiece. And I was like, "Oh, okay." Like I got the reward of like this actually worked. And then I was like, "Okay, do it again and do it again." And then you start getting obsessed with it. And then for me, most of my education for the next five years... Because there wasn't a lot of people that had courses on public speaking or things like that. There were a couple, but there wasn't a lot. I just went... And from a timeline, it was before the big 2000 whatever, the big crash in 2008 or whatever. And so there were events happening every single weekend. So I'd go to an event every weekend, and I would sit there and I would just watch the people speak. And I would watch what they were doing and then see how people would buy at the end. And people, the ones that had the big table rushes and stuff, I was like, "Okay, what did they just do? What'd they do to me? How did they do it? What did they say?" And I was like trying to dissect what they were doing. And then I would model that for my presentations. I'd be like, "Oh, I like how they did that part, how they told the story or how they got emotional." Sort of like just studying. McCall Jones calls it charisma hacking. I didn't know that's what it was at the time. But I was just watching how they did stuff and how it made me feel. And it wasn't just like selling from stage. I started watching religion people as well. Like some of the best presenters in the world are preachers and pastors and things like that. And I was watching just people speak and how they got me to feel and move, and how they told stories in a way that was exciting. And then so that's like this study I started going on. Then I met Michael Hague. I started learning about story structure. I was like, "This isn't just made up. There's actual structures and there's things in place. And this guy's way easier," because now I'm not just guessing. There's actually a pathway. Anyway, so that's kind of my history with it too, but it's fascinating. But I think that if I was to break it down into something for people to understand that's not complex but simple... Because you can go to the Expert Secrets book and it can get really complex. But the simplest form is that if somebody's coming to you, it's because they're looking for something different, right? They want change. They want more. There's some result. And I always think about this like on a mountain because Dan Kennedy used to talk about this. He's like, "You need to become the guru on the mountain. And people are going to come to the base of the mountain, and the closer they get to you up the mountain, the more they're going to pay." Right? So, the base of the mountain, they're paying a hundred bucks a month for a newsletter. And then they want to get closer, they pay 500 bucks a month, then a thousand bucks a month. And for whatever, for 50 grand, they can sit at your feet and talk to you." And he used to always talk about that guru on the mountain thing. And back when I was first studying this, the way people sold was different. It was much more like that. It was more of a status play like, "This is how successful and why you should come up here. And if you want to be like me, you got to come to me, pay me more money." And I never really resonated with that, partially because I'm awkward and I always felt awkward like positioning myself. So I never liked that, and so I started learning about story structure. It was cool because I realized that the positioning of you on the mountain, it's essential, right? But it's not like you sell from the top of the mountain, yelling down to the people. It's like people see you on the top of the mountain, and they're down here like, "I want to be up there." You're like, "Cool." And then it's you coming down off the mountain, running down to where they're at, and being like, "Okay, I know exactly where you're at. Let me tell you my story, because I was in your same spot at one time." Right? And that's the power. So, if you look at the way I do my presentations, I usually drop like one slide or one thing like, "Hey, this is the thing you want." Right? Like, "Cool, I've made whatever." Like I'll do my quick posturing just so they know that I've been to the top of the mountain they're trying to get to. But then I don't stay there. But again, if you watch the old-time speakers from the nineties and early 2000s, they would spend the 90-minute presentation talking about them on top of the mountain the whole time. And I just hate it. So I drop real quick, so you know that I know I've been where we're trying to get to, but I got to come back very, very quickly. And the story I'm telling you is the story, my story, of them. Right? I have to put myself in their spot. Like where was I when I went through the same thing? Because all of us, if you got to the top of the mountain, somewhere you had to start hiking. And you went through that journey to be the guru on the top. Right? And so it's like coming back and remembering where are they at or where were you at, telling your story. And if you tell it the way that they connect, they're like, "Oh my gosh, they are me. I was Russell. Russell went through this. He understands." And there's empathy. Then they trust you. Then they want to go on that journey with you. That's like when you came out and you started telling your story, it wasn't you posturing a position of how great you were. But it's like, "Hey, I've done this thing you're trying to figure out. But let me tell you my story and how I'm struggling, how I'm still struggling, the struggles I went through, and the pain and the fear." And all of sudden they're like, "Oh, I feel that too. I feel the pain. I feel the fear. I understand those things. This person understands me. I can trust them to take me on this journey because he's not going to be the person who's just positioning how great they are. It's someone who I have empathy with. They understand me." And that's the key. Because if they feel like you understand them, then they're going to go on that journey with you. And you do that by telling the story, like your version of their story. Because they're living it right now, and you've lived it the past. You've got to tell that in a way where they connect and now they're going to want to go on that journey with you. And that's kind of the key to it all. Josh: That's super, super interesting. Yeah. Because when I think about story structure, because I've like tried to simplify things down in my own head... Because it's always interesting, because I'll watch everything that you do, and so it's funny whenever I do presentations, people are like, "You're a mini Russell." I'm like, "Well, that makes sense actually. Right?" Like I've watched all this stuff, right? So, but for me, man, going through Expert Secrets, I don't know, it was probably the third or fourth or maybe even fifth time through before I finally actually was like, "Oh yeah, you actually do know what you're talking about." Because every step of the way I'd be like, "But my story doesn't fit in. That doesn't work." Or like, "Mine doesn't have that." Or like, "It's not that systematic." Or, "Russell, it's too much of a science. There's more of an art to it." And then I'd read about it and I'd be like, "This is so scientific." And then I'd watch you do it and I'm like, "That's so artistic." And I'm like, "But they're the same." Right? And so I would try to figure out ways to simplify it down to a way I can understand it. And then once I would understand it, I would plug it into yours, and then it would work. Right? And so for me, it was always like, okay, there's four parts. It's, "How did I get here?" Right? That's backstory. Like, "How did I get to right here right now?" That's like that. And then it's, "Where am I going?" Right? So, the goal, the desire. And then it's, "How am I going to get there?" New vehicle, new opportunity, right? And then it's, "What's it going to look like?" The vision, like what's it going to look like in the process of all that, so we can paint this thing and we get people emotionally attached? And so for me, in my brain... And they don't always happen in that sequential order. Like sometimes you start with the desire, and then you go back, but it has to have all four of those parts. And then I would take that and I would go, and then I would apply it to the Expert Secrets, and then it would start working. Right? I was like, "Oh my gosh, that's what Russell's doing here and here and here." And then you actually have this whole framework out about it, right? And I think one of the things for me is I always go... Because we've done book clubs on Expert Secrets. I teach stories in marketing. I teach stories in personal development. Like stories and storytelling is a big part of what I do now, especially over the last six months and moving forward. One of the questions that continues to come up is... Well, there's two parts. Let me start with the first one. "Hey, Russell, that's all great, but I'm not a leader. I'm not the attractive character that's the leader." Right? "I'm not the person that figured it out and am living my customer's journey." And there's actually a lot more of those people than I thought. I thought most people were leaders because that's what I was when I first got started. So my question is, do you tell this story a different way? Or how is the story different, how is it positioned differently, if you are not the leader? Because I know you're not in your story. You're the reluctant hero, right? And so I tell people, I'm like, "Before you start figuring out your story, you got to figure out what attractive character you're going to be." Right? And we go through the four inside of Expert Secrets. It's like there's the leader, there's the adventurer, there's the reporter, and then there's the reluctant hero. And what's interesting is early on in my journey, I was the hero. Right? I was the one, I was like, "Guys..." I was literally this broke kid, freaking living in a $500-a-month apartment with duct tape windows. And now I'm not, right? And Instagram was the thing, and social media, and here we go. Right? But as I evolved, then the podcast came. And without even realizing it, I became the reporter. Right? And so how does, based on your attractive character, how does that change the story or how you tell it? Russell: Yeah. And it's funny because mine's transformed, not only just throughout time, but in different situations as well. Right? Like sometimes I'm the attractive... You know, when I got started, say when I was an interviewer, so I interviewed people. So I was a reporter for a long time. But then I transitioned to like a reluctant hero. But there's other times, like if I'm on Hockey Live, I'm not the reluctant hero, right? At that time I've got to be the hero. Like I'm coming in and I'm setting authority because I've got a whole group of alphas in the room. And if I don't come there as like the head alpha, they will run me over. If you're like in a situation with Tony Adib, like if I'm that situation, I'm transitioning more back to reporter because I'm leveraging Tony's expertise and things like that. And so I'm going back as a reporter. Same thing with Dan Kennedy right now. You look at... It's fascinating. Like we just bought Dan Kennedy's company, right? We just launched the first Dan Kennedy new offer. By the way, if you're listening, go to NoBSLetter.com and go sign up. But yeah, like... Josh: By the way, make sure you go through my link. Russell: Yeah. But look at like how I've... It's /JoshForti, yeah. Josh: Yeah. Russell: But if you look at like how I'm positioning this offer, it's not me coming as like Russell's the alpha. Right? I'm coming back here as like, "This is my mentor. Boom. And I had this chance to acquire, but I'm going to go through 40 years of his stuff, and I'm bringing it back to you." And I'm pulling these things out, and this is what I learned from Dan and what I learned from Dan here." Right? And it's me coming back in a reporter role with my mentor, and that's how I'm introducing the world to him. So, it shifts, right? It shifts based on the story and the situation. Like what are you using it for? Right? Like I could've come in and be like... Because there's different posturing. Like I could've come in and been the hero and like, "I bought Dan's company. We bringing it back from the dead. Da, da, da." Like put it on me. But that story, first off, didn't feel good. But second off, it's not the story that needs to get people to move. The stories to get people to move is me giving homage to this guy who's changed my life, and now I'm going to be having the chance to bring these things back to you. Like me becoming the reporter back in that phase, in that business and that side, is a more powerful story to use. Right? And so it's all coming down to figuring out what's going to be the best story, right, in this situation and where you're at, and thinking through that. Because right now you're in a reporter role, but other times I still see you, you shift back over where you're running different things. So it's just trying to figure out what's... Again, these are all tools. I was talking to the Two Comma Club X members this week. And part of the group's doing challenges, part are doing webinars, part are doing different things. And they're like, "Which one should I do? Which one's the best?" I'm like, "No, it's not which one's best. These are tools. Like this is a hammer, this is a saw, and different jobs and different tools." And so it's like if I'm coming in here, I want a hammer, but over here I want a saw, and here I want a hammer and a saw, because I'm going to do this thing. Right? And same thing with stories, understanding that. Like your attractive character can shift. Mine's shifted more throughout time, but also situationally it shifts where it's like, okay, this is the role I need to be here, and it's okay to shift back to reporter. I've seen people, in fact... Well, can I drop names? Yeah. Who cares? So like Grant Cardone's a good example. I love Grant. Grant is like the leader, right? And at 10X, after we set all these sales records, Grant was going to shift to the interviewer and he was going to interview me. And it would've been a really fascinating thing for him to pick my brain and ask. And we sat down and we got in the thing, and he sat there for a second, and all of a sudden he was like, he didn't want to. He thought like shifting to the interviewer was a decrease in status. And he literally stopped before he started and said, "Actually I don't want to interview you. I'm going to have somebody else do it." And he got off the little thing, had somebody else come in, and that person interviewed me. And I was like, "Ah, dang it." It would've been so powerful for him. Josh: Come on, Grant. Russell: It would been so powerful for him, for his positioning, for people to connect with him better, if he would've come off like, "I'm Grant Cardone." You know, trade, come down for a second, and done the reporter, and been excited. Because he genuinely was excited. He, backstage, was freaking out. He was like, "I've never seen what you just did. That was amazing." Like it was this cool thing. And it humanized him for a minute. And he could have had that moment where he did it, and he didn't. Whereas me right now with Kennedy, I'm paying all homage to Dan. He's amazing. And it, first off, makes the offer better, makes the story better, but it also makes me more... People connect because now it's like they're the same thing. Like, "Oh my gosh. I have mentors. I can be excited about what they're learning." I don't have to posture all the time where I'm the only person. You know what I mean? Josh: Yeah. Well, it's super interesting that you say that because studying influencers has been something that I've kind of geeked out about. And one of the things you talk about in there, in Expert Secrets or whatever, is the attractive character has flaws. Right? And when the attractive character owns those flaws, it actually makes their supporters love them more. And what's interesting is that I've looked at people like Trump, and we're not trying to get political here in any way, shape or form, but one of the big criticisms of Trump, even from his own people, and I being one of those, is he never admits when he's wrong. He never will step down and even give the idea that somebody else could be right. And because of that, that actually hurts him a lot more in the long run than in the short, than it gains him in the short term. Right? And so it's that same concept. And then I look at someone like a Dave Portnoy, right? And do you follow Dave at all? Dave Portnoy? Okay. So he's the founder of Barstool Sports, and he's the one that did the Barstool Fund and everything like that or whatever. Here's a dude who, I mean, his fan base is not as large as Trump's, but as far as like fans and fans, people love Portnoy. Right? Like, I mean, there's his fans. But he makes fun of himself constantly, right? And he's constantly coming back and being like, "Yeah, I messed up." All of his bets are public because he owns like a gambling or a sports betting company. So you go to his Twitter and it's nothing but all of his wins and then all of his losses. Right? And so you can see both, and people just love it. And anytime people are trying to bash up on him, all of his supporters come and they're like, "Yeah, we know he's an idiot. Right? But he's an amazing idiot. Yeah." Right? And so it's like when you show that other side, people connect to you even better. And it's such a fascinating concept because it's opposite of what our brains think. You know what I mean? Russell: A hundred percent. It's counterintuitive. Like we want to always posture position, thinking that's the... It's just like the guru on the mountain we talked about, right? Like in the eighties, nineties, every expert wanted to be the person, the infallible expert up here at the top. But man, that's not what gets people to connect. It's the coming down and like, "Dude, I struggle too. I remember the pain. I remember the pressure, the fear, the scare, like all those things." And that's what connects people. People crave connection now. Maybe there was a time in history where people just wanted the other thing. But nowadays it's not that way. People connect with vulnerability. But it's hard, it's scary, because it's like... In fact, Natalie Hodson, I think she quoted Brene Brown, but she's the one that told me this. She's like, "When you're vulnerable, you feel small, but people looking at it, it feels makes you feel big to them." So it's a weird thing where you're like, "I feel horrible," but it makes them look at you and like, "Oh my gosh, this person's willing to say things I'm thinking in my head and I don't dare to talk about because of my own fear and anxiety and status, and all those kind of things." And it gives them that thing, and that's what gets people to connect with you. It's really fascinating. Josh: Yeah, for sure. For sure. Okay. Last piece on this, which will take up the rest of the time for sure, is the number one question that I get hands down when it comes to stories... I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but in the odd case that you haven't, Russell, your people want to know this. Okay? The number one question is: How do I know which story to tell? Russell: Ooh, that's good. Josh: Right? It's the hardest thing because people are like... And it's always hilarious because I'll sit down and I'll be like, "Well, what story are you trying to tell?" And they're like, "I don't know." And I'm like, "Well, here's your life story." And I will tell them because I'm like their coach and I've been around them for six weeks or whatever it is. And I'll go, "Here's your story. Boom, boom, boom." And I'll summarize their entire life in 30 seconds. And they're like, "How did you do that?" And I'm like, "Because it..." Well, anyway, I want to know the answer to their question. How do you know what story to tell? Because everybody has these. We're so close, right? And for me, I'm about to turn 28, right? My 28th birthday, we'll do a big birthday bash. Russ is coming on. It's going to be great. We're going to want to do podcasts. It's going to be so cool. Right? But it's like I've got 28 years worth of experiences. How do I know what to tell? Russell: Yeah. It's fascinating. When I wrote the first version of the Expert Secrets, I didn't know that was the question people had. I didn't even know how to answer. It never crossed my mind. And anyway, I wrote the second version of the Expert Secrets and I'd seen it, so I'd updated it. But no one ever commented. And it wasn't until... Actually, you came to it. You came to the most recent FHAT event I did, right? The expert one? Yes, okay. Josh: Yeah, not the e-com one, but yeah. Russell: Yeah. So the first time I shared that publicly was at that event, and I remember it was fascinating because Steven Larson is probably one of the people that have studied me the most. And he raised his hand like, "Oh my gosh." He's like, "I finally understand what story I'm supposed to tell." And that was coming from Steven who like... And I was like, "Interesting." So, this is the problem I think that... And I always tell people, "Tell your backstory. Tell the origin story." So they're like, "Okay. I was born in Provo, Utah, March 8th, 1980. It was a cold night." And they, they go back to there, right? Because they think that's the story, because I tell them, "Tell your origin story." And it wasn't until at that event... Again, I think, I'm pretty sure in the second version, the hardbound version of DotCom Secrets, it's in there. But it was that event where I really said, "The story you're telling is not like your origin story. It's your origin story of how you came upon or created or figured out your framework. It's your interaction with the framework you're sharing." That's the key, right? So, when I'm talking about the perfect webinar, for example, the origin story I'm telling is not my origin story. It's my origin story discovering this framework. So, for example, I went to Armand Morin’s event and I saw people speaking on stage. I did the math, and then I spoke on stage, and I looked like an idiot. And I went back home, and then I bought Dan Kennedy's course. I realized it was wrong, and then I went through the thing. And so it's that story, it's how I learned or I earned this framework. Like how did I come up with... What was the things I went through to discover this gem that I'm bringing now from the top of the mountain down to them, saying like, "This is the thing I found out, and this is the story about how I found it. Let me share it with you." And be like, "Ooh, I want that gem. I want that gold nugget." And then they come with you on the journey to go and get that with you. So, that's the most simple way I've figured out how to explain it. I'm curious on your side, because you've explained versions of this as well, would you add to that or change it? Or what are kind of your thoughts on it? Josh: Well, so let me start by telling you the biggest struggle that I had. Like I'm talking for over a year of reading Expert Secrets, I struggled with one specific thing that I could not figure out, and it was the question that I wanted to ask you for the longest time. And then like right before we got an interview, I figured it out. I was like, "Oh my gosh." But it was I didn't understand the difference between the backstory and secret number one. And what I meant mean by that is like, to me, I'm like, "First you discover funnels, and then you teach them the framework for funnels. It's the same thing." But then you would say they're different. And I'm like, "How?" Right? Like I don't understand the difference between those two things. Now, at first I didn't understand it at all. And then kind of my first epiphany or my first breakthrough was, "Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. First the backstory introduces the thing. And then secret number one has the framework for the thing." Right? And so then that was kind of my first realization of like, "Okay, these are separate. It's one, it's the thing. And then the framework for the thing." But then I would look at your webinar and I would go, "Russell, Russell, what's your framework? Like what's the framework to build a funnel?" I'm like, "It's hook, story, offer." That's what I thought, right? I'm like, "In order to build a good funnel, it's hook, story, offer." And then I was like, "Well, maybe that's not the framework. Maybe it's add all the upsells and break the beliefs, and then go through." And I was like... But no matter what it was, it was never... Like the framework for building a successful funnel was never to go and model somebody else's funnel, and then build all the up. I'm like, that's a thing, but that's not the parts of a funnel. Right? And so I got confused because I thought the framework that I was supposed to teach in secret number one was the parts of the thing, not the framework for how to build the thing. Right? And so I think one of the biggest 'aha' moments for me is like each part of the webinar that you're doing is its own separate section, and they build off of one another, but they're also each standalone. Right? And so I thought that the backstory or that the story that I told in the backstory was the story through the entire webinar, and it's not. Right? And so whenever I would hear you say, "Well, tell the backstory about how you learned it and how you earned it," I thought it was like that was the story for the webinar, and then I had to go through and tell each thing. And then I realized that there's a separate story for each thing. Right? There was a separate story for the backstory. And by the time you're done with the backstory... And I think it was you that said it. I go back and forth. I really like how Dan Henry explained some of the things specifically when selling courses, because that was the other problem, was you were selling a software and I was like, "Well, what happens if I'm not selling a software? Oh, crap. Where does it fit in?" Right? But I think it was you that said by the time you're done with the backstory, there's a percentage of your people that are ready to buy. And I'm like, "Whoa. That's the story that I've got to figure out." And so for me, I was like, "What is the story that I have to tell, that if I were not allowed to tell secret one, secret two or secret three, people just took me at my word that what I said was the solution to their problem? What's that story that I have to tell that people would go and buy?" And I became obsessed with that, and that's what I call a master story. Because I'm like, to me... And that's why I was telling you where I was geeking out about it. I'm like, to me, once I figure out that, and I've gone through and taught all these students how to teach stories, if I focus all of my time on the three secrets, we never get anywhere. Like literally. It's ridiculous. We'll spend so much time, and then they'll do the presentation and it won't work. But if I spend 80% of my time on just the backstory and we get that right, they basically figure out the other three secrets like that. And I spend 20% of my time in the other three secrets. Russell: That's fascinating. Josh: Yeah. Russell: Because I spend both of my time doing the three secrets, because that's where people get stuck on my side. But man, the way you frame that's really cool, because I always think about... There's different markets I go after, right? So if I'm going after like a beginner market, my first thing is telling the potato gun story, because it's like, "I had a potato gun, we had an upsell, da, da, da." And for beginner, like... Josh: Which 100%, by the way, 100% of what I've done... The last like six, three months I've been doing sales calls like crazy. Whenever I mention the master story, I go, "Hey guys, do you know Russell?" They're like, "What's the master story?" I'm like, "Do you know who Russell Brunson is?" They're like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Do you know the potato gun story?" 100% of the people say yes, every single time. There's not been a single person... I'm like, "That's his master story when it comes to funnels." Anyway. Russell: That's always interests me because I have a different master story if I'm going over like a more advanced audience, which is the master story of no VCs. Right? So it's like, "We're competing against InfusionSoft and all these things. They had a hundred million dollars in funding. We didn't have any money. We were broke. And so we put this thing together. Da, da, da." And they're like, "Now we get customers for free, and then they buy software." And that master story is what sells it to more of like the corporate, like the business owners who think through the world of like investing. So, that's story that I lead... If I talk about potato guns with them, they're lost, right? So again, it's like, people are like, "But I only have a story." It's like, "No, you have different stories. What are the stories that fit the audience?" Dan Kennedy 101, message to market match. Like how do you connect these things? Right? It's like here's the market I'm talking to. In fact, I think you know this. We bought Doodly.com and we bought like Brad Callen’s whole company. And these people, I didn't realize at the time, I thought they were internet marketers using software to make sales videos. But no, they were actually course creators who don't know anything about marketing. And so I went and did my webinar pitch to these people and it bombed, and it was like the worst thing ever. And I was like, "What?" And it was like, "Oh my gosh. I didn't understand the market." And so I had to change. So we rewrote it, changed the story, changed the thing to match the market we're going after. And now it's converted really well. But it was like, it's just understanding that in every situation, like figuring out, "Okay, who am I actually speaking to? So there's the market. And what's the message, the story I think I have that's going to match that to then bring them into our world?" Because I'm selling the same product, no matter what, but there's different stories that's going to hit different markets as you go through. You'll probably hear me quote a lot more Dan Kennedy in your future, as I'm going through all his courses again right now, and having the time of my life with it. So... Josh: Yeah. Well, it's just interesting, just going back to that one concept of like the first core story, the master story, the backstory of it all. I think one of the big problems that I know I ran into this is, once again, I thought the whole webinar was designed to teach and educate. Like that's when I would introduce and teach it, the whole entire process. But it's not. Like secret one, secret two, secret three are designed to educate on the thing that you introduce in the backstory. Right? And for me, with the people I work with on a pretty consistent basis, it's like they don't understand that either. And so when I go in and I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no. Forget about teaching them about it. You have to teach them what it is, why it's so important." And I always go back to that story when you were like no one was buying it and then you're like, "Do you understand what I went through then?" I'm like, "That! That's what you're trying to create." It's like forget the framework for it. Forget how it works. Forget why it worked for them. Forget the external objections for a second or whatever. Like what do you have to do that, if you didn't get to do anything like that, how would you convince somebody that this is the most greatest, amazing thing, and then be like, "And just take my word for it that it's going to work for you." Like, what's that story that you would tell? And for me, once I identified that was what it was, and I started working on my students with that, all the rest of the webinars and find new challenges and everything became easy. Whether it was Catherine Jones when we worked with her, whether it was Brad Gibbon, casual tactics, like all of them, it was like, once we figured out that, then all the rest of the things fell into place. Russell: Yeah. It's fascinating because the reason why I bombed when I first started versus why I started studying dance stuff, is that realization of just like, "They haven't bought into the fact that they want to funnel yet or that they want weight loss or whatever the thing is." Like your only goal during the webinar or the challenge or whatever is to convince them that this is the vehicle that's going to be the most likely successful to get up on that mountain and get the result that they've been looking for. Because they've been looking for the result for a long time, right? I think Katlyn said the average woman goes on eight diets a year. Right? So it's like, now that they're like, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to lose weight." It's not like this, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to make money. Oh my gosh, I'm going to..." Like, they already want the result. They tried three or four other things. You're trying to convince them that your presentation or your challenge or whatever is to convince them that of all the different potential opportunities, that your new opportunity is the one that's most likely to get them success. And if they buy into that, then you can take them on the journey. But you start teaching around the gate. You're trying to take them on this journey, and they're like, "Wait, but there's like 10 other options. I don't think you're the right... I don't even know if you're the right option. I have no idea." So your job and your role is 100% only there to convince them that this is the most likely thing that's going to give them the success they're looking for. And yeah, then you won. Then you can bring them into world. Now you can serve them. Now you can change their life. But until you've sold them on the fact that your vehicle is the one that is most likely to give success, you can't serve them. You can't change their life. You can't do anything. And so that's what we got to become really good at is that transition. So, anyway, so fun. Josh: All right. Well, that'll wrap up the story episode there. I think that was really, really good. I think we got a lot accomplished. Russell: We should go, another time, or next time you're a voice, we should do like a half-day live with everybody on like the master story. That'd be fascinating to go deeper just on that, without the context of having to have all the rest of the webinar things. I'd love to geek out with you deeper on that. So, there's the thought. If you guys want more of that, you got to let me and Josh know, and maybe next time we're around some UFC fight or some fake YouTube boxing fight, we'll plan something fun like that. Because that’d be really cool to go deep on that. Josh: That fake YouTube boxer fight, that's 5 and 0, right? Oh, man. All right. Russell: All right. Thanks, you guys, for listening. If you enjoyed this, please let us know. Tag us on social. Tweet us out. Instagram us. YouTube... I don't know. All the different places. Josh: Don't tweet us. Russell won't tweet at you. He'll just fake like your tweets. Instagram? Instagram. Russell: Tweet at Josh, and then I'll share it. Josh: Yeah. Russell: My team will share it. Anyhow, let us know. We're enjoying doing these, and hopefully you guys love them as well. And the last way, if you want to help grow this podcast, please just tell other people about it. And yeah, that's all I got. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Josh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russell and special guest Josh Forti dive deep into funnels,  storytelling, and building your own reality. Find out how to break free of what’s expected, how to create your own rules, build your own world, and be OK with being different. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Magnetic Marketing ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to The Marketing Secrets podcast. Today, I've got two things for you. Number one, I got kind of a cold so if I sound a little funny, that's why. Number two, is you guys loved our last three podcast episodes with Josh Forti, so we thought we should do it again. Today, we jumped on a call and we recorded three more episodes for you, and they've been a lot of fun. The first episode was all about just kind of... It was an interesting conversation, and I think it took us a while to get exactly to the point. But by the end, the end of of it wrapped with some really cool thoughts and ideas and I think some clarifications that'll help you guys a lot. But it was all about I'm in this world of funnels, and how has that affected my world perspective, my world view and, everything else happening around me? And how does that work for you with the thing that you're most passionate and most obsessed with? And so I think you guys will enjoy this conversation. With that said, I'll queue up the theme song. When we come back, you have a chance to listen in on a conversation with me and Josh Forti. What's up, everybody? It's Russell Brunson. Welcome back to The Marketing Secrets podcast. A little while ago, Josh Forti and I did a couple episodes. We've done this three times now technically. This is the fourth, but we did an episode a little while ago, just to see how you guys liked it. And the feedback was amazing. I got tons of good feedback. I think you did as well, right? You saw everyone. Josh Forti: I got tons. I sent you some of them. We convinced somebody to start a podcast over it. Russell: Because of the... Yes. Josh: Because of the podcast. Russell: ... podcast. We are having little podcast babies now because of what happened last time we hung out, and I'm pumped. We're jumping back in. We got three episodes of recording today. I know the title of the topics, but that's about it. I don't know where we're going, the direction, but I'm pumped and excited and just grateful for you, man, doing these. I really enjoyed it last time. I left afterwards pumped and on fire and had a ton of energy, so I'm excited for this. Josh: Heck yeah. That's awesome. Well, are you sick? Russell: Yes. I have a little stuffy nose, so I apologize in advance if I sound... My voice sounds deeper though, so I sound more masculine which is kind of cool. But yeah, definitely got a little bit of a cold. Josh: Oh, man. As long as it's not COVID. Russell: Oh, yeah. No, I did that. We're good. The antibodies are flowing through my body, so I'm pretty good there. Josh: Heck yeah. Russell: Well, what's the plan today? What are we talking about for this episode? Love to get kind of- Josh: Are we doing intros or are we just jumping in? Russell: This is the intro. I'll do intros. Josh: This is it, we're in. We're rocking and rolling. Russell: We're live. Let's go. Josh: All right, all right. Let's dive in. Dude, interestingly enough, as I went back and I started going... By the way, I actually listened to all three of our episodes, even though we did them. I actually went back and listen, because I'm that geeky nerd. I was talking to one of my friends. We were sending VOXs back and forth to each other and he's like, "I just listed to my vox back to you." And I'm like, "I'm glad I'm not the only one that does that." And he's like, "Oh, no, you are the only one. I just did that one time." I'm like, "Crap. Dang it." I go back through it. I listen to VOXs and I listen to podcasts. I'm trying to figure out how I could've made them better. But what's interesting is I wanted to take this one a little bit of a different route today, to kind of kick things off. Because normally, I'd say there's two types of podcasts. There's educational podcasts, which is you're talking on a very specific topic, and you're trying to educate people on that. And then there's entertainment podcasts. Entertainment is much more... Maybe it could be educational still, but it's not designed to educate you on one specific thing, and then break all the beliefs around that thing. And then do the whole perfect webinar thing on a podcast episode. Whatever. But rather, just kind have an open conversation. And I want to open this one up, talking specifically about funnels. And not funnels and how you build them, but I want to know is funnels a worldview for you? And what I mean by that is right now, I'm really, really big into storytelling. That's kind of my thing that I'm geeking out about, is how to tell amazing stories. And I call it the master story. That's the core thing that I'm trying to figure out right now, is the master story for me is what's the one story I got to get people to believe? After they believe that story, they'll do whatever I want them to do. It's the big domino statement of stories. But as I've done that, I've kind of gone out and everything in my life now revolves around stories. I'm like, "Oh, story there, story there. Oh, that's the story? Oh, that's the story." And my whole life now is just everything is stories. Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Expert Secrets and Dotcom Secrets, and you wrote those books and everything like that. You talk about kind of building this world and this identity, and bringing everybody in. And so I'm curious for you, where do funnels play into your life besides just marketing? Is this a worldview? Is this a lens upon which you view the world? Russell: Everything. Yes, for sure it is. It's interesting. I still remember back when I first got in this game, and I was learning marketing, and then I started studying Dan Kennedy's stuff and started... And I remember starting after I got that, some of the initial inputs of this world. What's the Matrix? The red pill or the blue pill. I took the pill and all of a sudden I was like, "Oh, my gosh, I see the world differently." And for me, it was fascinating. I started loving, I became obsessed. In fact, you can ask my wife this. We first got married, we listened to the radio and commercials would come on and she'd want to change. I'm like, "No, no, no. What are they doing? Did they do a good job did, they do a bad job, and how could they have done it better?" I started geeking out on that and I started watching more infomercials. I started watching as you go down the highway and you see the billboards. "Okay. That billboard, did it make me do anything, did it not? Was there a call to action, was there not? If there was, what did... " I'd get my phone out and I call the number and like, "What happened? What was the sales pitch?" And I started seeing behind the curtain of what was happening, and I became obsessed seeing that. And I remember, this is probably a little bit prior to this, but after I started seeing things I started realizing how things made me feel. I remember in high school, I was the wrestler, as you know. and I was into my health and fitness. I didn't understand it back then, but I do remember Bill Phillips had a magazine called Muscle Media. This is probably way before your time. But it was the first muscle building magazine that wasn't... All the other ones were these dudes who were just steroided out. And Muscle Media was the dudes and the ladies in it was who you want to look like. That guys looks amazing. And he had a supplement company called EAS he launched, and so I got into supplements and got into Bill Phillips. I got into his world, where I was reading his magazine articles and buying his supplementsm and it was cool. But I remember I wanted to buy some... I can't remember what the new supplement was. And there was a GNC close to my house.And so I remember jumping my bike, riding down to GNC, being so excited to buy a supplement. And I walked through the door, and as soon as I walked through the door of the GNC, the person came out and was like, "Hey, how can I help you?" And I'm like, “uh…”, and kind of freaked out. I was like, "Oh, I'm just looking." And I got all nervous and then I kind of wandered away, and then it felt like the person was kind of following me and everything. And I remember I came there cause I wanted to buy something, but I felt so uncomfortable, excuse me, that eventually I just snuck out and I left. And I was like, "I didn't get the thing." Because I felt so uncomfortable in the process that even though I came there with my money in hand, ready to buy something, I didn't because I didn't like the process. And I noticed, I don't know if you ever go into a GNC. As soon as you walk in, they always come and they pounce on you. And even to this day when I walk into GNC, it's one of my favorite stores. But I know the initial anxiety of the person pouncing on me asking if I can help them, or what I'm looking for. I'm like, "I don't know what I'm looking for. I want to literally read the back of every label of every bottle here. I'll come to you if I need help, but don't come and pounce on me." And I started realizing that and I started thinking, "If this was my story, how would I have wanted to be approached?" And I started thinking the script. And I started thinking if I came in the door and the person says something like, "Hey, welcome to GNC today. I'm over here. If you need anything, let me know." And it was more of a deflect, I would've felt more comfortable. I would've walked around, then I would've felt comfortable coming back the person. And I just started thinking through that. Anyway, that was before I learned marketing. I remember feeling that way, and as I started studying marketing I was like, "Oh, my gosh. I now know why I felt that way. The script was wrong and the process was wrong." And I started thinking through things more like that. And I'm sure it was annoying for my family. We'd go to a restaurant and I would notice how did the server do things, and what did they say? And it started opening up for me. In fact, my junior year in high school during the summer, I got a serving job and I was serving tables. And I remember, because I would split test different things to see what would give me more tips. If I said this to a person versus this. And I remember in fact, this is a 17 year old kid who's stuck on himself. I'd roll my sleeves. "If my sleeves are rolled up and they see more of my arms, would it be higher?" And literally would split test this thing to try to figure out how to increase them. And it's just weird. That was when I was young, and definitely it's messed me up nowadays, because it's hard for me when I see every ad, everything. I want to go deep into things, and I do sometimes but sometimes it takes me long rabbit holes. I don't know if that answers the question or not. Josh: Okay. Well, I want to kind of dive further down deeper into that, because I want to expand beyond just marketing as well. Because I think any of us as marketers when we have the light bulb turn on, you take the red pill or whatever it is. I remember for me, I had that first experience with money. I grew up in a very small, small, small town. The two towns collectively combined had 750 people in them, and one bank and a gas station. Very, very small world. And then I started learning about money, and I'll never forget the day that it clicked for me. I was actually out in... I had already moved to Nebraska, and I started to realize how money flowed. And I got done reading this book, and I remember I picked up the phone and I called one of my friends who had been teaching me about money. I'm like, "Dude, I get it now. I get everywhere around. I can't not see how money is flowing and where it works." I'm like this, and now I have all these questions about it. And so I totally understand when your lights come on, you start seeing the whole world through that, for that specific thing. But I want to know what about other areas of your life, and how funnels and your viewpoint of funnels has affected that. And what I'm trying to get at and understand, is you talk a lot about in Expert Secrets, we're building this identity, we're building this community, we're building this movement, this calling. And what's interesting for me I've noticed, is that when I first got into this space, I was so new that the preconceived notions of what people should do or should not do did not affect me. Because I didn't know anything. I was like, "I know I'm an idiot." people were like, "You're doing that wrong?" I'm like, "Probably." And there was no ego in the way of it. But then as I grew, I thought there were certain ways that I had to think, or there were certain things that I had to do. And then if I broke free from the mold that everybody else was doing, then somehow that was wrong. And I struggled with that. Thankfully for me, I didn't stay in there. But what helped me get out of it, is I gave myself permission and I literally was like, "I'm doing my own world over here. Everybody else, they can have whatever it is that they want. They can make more money than me, that's fine. I'm building this own little thing." And when I envisioned myself stepping into this world, then I was allowed to make my own rules. And so the rules had to follow everything else, but people would be like, "Josh, it's super weird that you think about everything in marketing." And I'm like, "But that's my world." And so everything about my life, from what I buy, to where I live, to who I hung out with, was all shaped around that. And for a while, that was weird. And whenever I would go to my friends it was like, "You're weird." And I struggled with that. But then once I gave myself kind of permission to be like, "Well, that's just literally how I think. That's my world, and it's okay to be different." That really freed me. And so I'm curious. How has funnels shaped your world outside of only marketing? And what would you tell somebody? Would you tell someone it's okay to like view the world through whatever their new opportunity is, in all aspects of life? Does that make sense? Russell: I think so. It's interesting, because I know you're trying to get outside of marketing, but it's fascinating because in my vision of the world, like everything is marketing. Josh: That's what I'm saying though. That's what I'm saying. Russell: When I meant my wife- Josh: How has that affected relationships? When you are dealing with a problem in your family, do like go like, "What's the funnel for this?" Does that make sense? Russell: How do we craft the story, the pitch, the thing. But it's true, because I think about when I met my wife. When I met her, there were multiple people who... She was the prospect and multiple people all competing for her attention. It was like, "Okay. I've got to create a better offer. I'm not the best looking guy, so I got to... What are the tools I have to increase the value of what I have to be more attractive to her?" And things like that. With my kids right now, it's tough because my kids have got so many distractions and there's things that are way cooler than dad. I'm always trying to think through that lens of, "Okay." Josh: Wait, there's people cooler and Russell Brunson? What? Russell: You could never be a prophet in your hometown, they say. You're never cool to your own kids. But it's tough though, because I'm competing against all of... For my kids, the rappers that are in their ears, and they're listening to all these people who... That part of the world. And they got their friends and they got these... There's so many things we're competing against. It's like, "Okay. Well, how do I take them on this journey to be able to help?" And you talked about universe building, which is true. In fact, I'm working on a project with Dan Kennedy right now, and it's all about that concept of universe building, and things like that. And you look at the big companies that have done it successfully, that's what they did. Walt Disney built this universe. In fact, I've listened to the interviewed me and Dan did on Funnel Hacking Live, and he talked about Walt Disney and Hefner were basically the same business. He's like, "One had bunnies and one had had rabbits or whatever. Or one had mice, one had bunnies." But it's the same business, right? They both had a universe that people came into. And I think about that. We're doing the same thing. You create a universe for your customers. That's a lot of what the Expert Secrets and everything is about, creating this customer universe. But it's true in your office with your team, it's true with your family, it's true with your relationships. You're kind of trying to craft this environment that makes people first off want to be there and to be part of it, and then to persuade people to hopefully get the things you're looking for. All of us are in a persuasion business, even we don't want to admit it. And people are like, "I don't persuade people. I don't manipulate people." But you are. What do you want to eat for dinner tonight? You got to persuade the other person. What movie do you want to go to? Are we going to go out tonight, or are we going to sit home on the couch? You're always in this thing of persuasion. And if you look at any kind of sales environment, is the number one. The biggest, one of the most important things when you're trying to sell somebody something, is the, the environment. The universe that you put them in. It's the reason why if I do a pitch on a virtual event, where somebody is at their own home, in their own environment, and I'm giving them a glimpse in my environment. I can convert and I can sell people. But I do the exact same presentation at Funnel Hacking Live in a room where I control the environment, they're in my universe. My sales were 5-6X, even though it's the exact same presentation, exact same everything because I'm controlling the environment. And so my home, same thing. How do I control this environment, my home? And how do I structure things? And how do we set the same things? You think about in the ClickFunnels ecosystem, we've got these awards. We got the Two Comma Club awards, Two Comma Club X. We have things like that. How do we create these things for people to strive towards inside of our families? Colette and I did that a couple years ago. We were trying to figure out what's our family goals. Do we have a goal? What does that look like? What's something that we can collectively all work towards together? And in the Mormon church, one of the biggest goals is you want to get married in the temple. But to get married in the temple, you have to be living worthily. There's all these things to do. And so as a family, we set a goal. How do you explain it? If my kids get married in the temple, their younger siblings won't be able to go, because they're not old enough to be able to go into the temple to actually witness the marriage. The goal we set as a family, we set a goal of when Nora... Because Nora is the youngest. When Nora gets married, the goal is we'd love her to get married in the temple, and we want all of our family to be there. Which means all of our family has lived in a way where we're worthy to be there together as the family. That became our family goal, and it's this thing we're all shooting towards. And it's fun, because now when I'm having family conversations with my kids, it's like, "Hey, you shouldn't be doing that." It's like, "Hey, these are things that are keeping us away from our family goal." We want to do this thing in 10 years from now, 15 years ago, Nora... But the way you're living, you're not going to be able to do that. And it's less of me trying to tell them what to do, as much as this is the goal we collectively set as a family. This is what we're trying to get to. Same thing in Marketing, we're trying to get the Two Comma Club award, cool. You can go listen to forty other gurus if you want, but this is the path. This is the process. We can get you there, but if you're distracted... It's just kind of a similar thing where, you set the things inside the universe, the goals, the steps. And hopefully, everyone... Not that they will or that they want to. Maybe my kids decide they hate the universe and they want to break out of it, and that can happen, too. People don’t think funnels are cool, because they don't like me. I talk too fast or I'm annoying or whatever, and they enter different a different universe, but that's okay. Josh: Yeah. And I think entering a different universe, I think maybe what I'm trying to get at is I grew up, once again, super small town. Super small world, and I just figured there was a way the world worked. Singular. That's how it worked. And as I've grown up, I was striving to figure that out. I'm like, "What's the way the world works?" And I get out there and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. There's five million different ways the world works." And depending upon whose world old that you're in. And so I was watching the football game last night. We had it on. It was the Steelers and the Vikings. I don't know. By the way, I know you don't watch football, but I'm going to make a prediction on here for all my football fans out there. Patriots are going to the Super Bowl versus Tom Brady. It's going to be Tom Brady and the Bucks versus Bill Belichick and the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Anyway, we're watching it last night and they have this documentary that's coming out. Do you know who John Madden is? Russell: Yeah. Just from the video game. Josh: Yeah. They have this whole thing on Madden and his whole life. And it's coming out, this documentary, and they do little clips, and there's all these different little people talking about it. And they're like, "This dude, you couldn't be around him and not love football. Because he just exuded football in every aspect of his life. At the dinner table, around his family, around his friends, at the... Football, football, football, football." And it got me thinking, because I'm preparing for this interview last night. And I'm like, "That guy's whole life was football. That's how it came about. He couldn't imagine a reality where football didn't exist. "Yet there's somebody else out. There's millions, billions of people out in this world who they never heard of or think about or want anything to do with football." And so here's a guy where his whole life revolves around football. All of his analogies, all of his stories, all of his strategies, everything was football all. And then I was like, "Oh, I wonder if that's what it's like living with Russell." Everything is funnels. And it's like funnels, funnels, funnels, funnels, funnels. I feel like sometimes as entrepreneurs, I know I struggled with this for a while, and I struggled with this a lot more when I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. When I was still trying to figure out my voice and kind of everything like that. But I'm like, "I just can't be the X guy, because that would be weird. That's not how reality works. That's not how life works. You don't just get to just focus on all of this." But I feel like it is. And I feel like you don't necessarily have to be a single thing guy, but I feel like you can. In the sense of... And that's why I'm trying to get at with you, is I feel like you've gone into this world and you've found the thing that works. And you've said, "Hey, listen, basically, in life you have to know where it is that you're going and how it is that you're going to get there." That's essentially in life, and that's kind of my core premise of everything. I'm like, "I don't care how you live in life." But I'm like, "If you don't know where you're going and how you're going to get there, your life is going to suck. You're not going to have a very fulfilled life." And so I feel like for you, you've figured out, "Okay. Wherever I want to get, this is the vehicle I'm going to use." And you've built an entire reality and universe around that. Yeah? Russell: Yeah, for sure. And it's interesting though, too, because I actually was on a call last night with Stu McLaren at their prediction college here, and he was asking my predictions for the future. And it's interesting because yes, funnels is the thing. It's my lens. And that's what people come to me. It's the lens they come through. But what I think is fascinating, and I see this with... In fact, I told Stu, I'm like, "There's an evolution. People were experts for a while and then they became influencers." And I think the next phase, it won't stick. People will still call themselves influencers, because it sounds cool and they feel the significance of that. But I think the next phase is people are going to become curators more so. Which is someone comes to me for funnels, but it's interesting because my last inner circle meeting, people pay 50 grand to be in the room. There's 100 people in this room and they're here because they want to learn funnels from Russell. We're talking about funnels and then we open for Q&A. And guess how many funnel questions came through? Zero. The questions were, "Russell, I came to you for funnels, but I trust you. I like you." And they didn't say this, but this is what happened, is they wanted to figure out how I curate. They wanted me to curate other thoughts for them. "I trust you in this, therefore what do you think about religion?" And they want me to take all my years of curation of all the ideas like, "This is what I believe." Or they're like, "How is your family successful?" And so they asked me these other questions. And I was telling Stu last night. I'm like, "Stu, you're the membership guy. People come from your memberships. But after they come in, that's what brings them into the door, but then they're coming because they want your curation of other ideas." Dan Usher. I think Dan on our team. It was fascinating, because his favorite band is Rufus or something like that. I don't really know the band that well. But he's obsessed with them and their music, and so he follows them, he loves them and everything. And he just bought his first house out here in Boise, so he needed to get art on the wall. He's like, "Well, I love Rufus. I trust them. They've curated their favorite art." He went and bought everything that Rufus ever said they like for art and put it on his wall. He's like, "Cool. Because I trust them, therefore I want this." And then he bought the furniture that they have in their house, because he trusts their opinion on this and other things. And so I think it's with Madden, I'm sure the football is what brings people in. And they come in there, they sit at the table for that. But then if they like him and they connect with him, then they want to know, "What else do you know?” I want to go down these other rabbit holes with you, because I trust you and I trust your opinion. I trust because you've already kind of done that." I think for me, that's probably more so, is they come in from one thing, but then if they connect with you then they want to dive deep on all the other pieces, the things that you find fascinating. Josh: Yeah. It's almost like they need the in to step into your universe, and then you get to build the rest of the universe out for them simply because you've built trust in that one area. Russell: Yeah. And what's fascinating. If you rewind back in my history 15 years ago, it was tough because when I was trying to create my universe, I didn't know that's what it was called. But it was funny. If you look at the landscape in our industry back then, it was interesting. Jeff Walker was the launch guy, Frank Kern was the mass control guy, Filsaime was the butterfly marketing person. Everyone had a thing where they were the best. Brad Fallon was SEO, and then you had Perry Marshall was PPC, and everyone had their thing. And I came in, I was good at all of this. I'm like, "I'm the guy who do everything." And I'd go to events like, "Cool, what do you do?" I'm like, "What do you need? I'm good at copywriting, and I can do all the things." And people are like, "Oh, okay." But then they'd go and they'd sign up for Jeff for launch. And I'm like, "I can do launch. I've done tons of launches." Or they'd go to whoever for copywriting, John Carlton for copywriting. I'm like, "God, I've done all these things." But there wasn't a thing. It wasn't until I specialize in. "Okay. Funnels is the thing." And it was a narrow focus where people could attach a thing in their head like, "Oh, Russell is the guy who does funnels." And they do that. But they come into the... That's the doorway that brings them into my world. But inside the funnel world, what is there? You can launch a funnel. There's copywriting, there's traffic driving, there's all these other things. But I had to bring them in through a channel they could connect with, they could label me with. You know what I mean? But after they're in my universe, there's all sorts of stuff I can do with him. Josh: I feel like that right there was the core of what I was trying to get after. I think a lot of people struggle with or are afraid to claim their thing, because they're like, "I can't just claim it." Funnels. Russell could claim funnels because that was a thing, but was it a thing before Russell? Was there a funnel... You are the one that came in and nobody came to you and was like, "Russell, you're the funnel guy. Go." You were the one that had to decide that. You were the one that had to come in and be like… Russell: And it's fascinating, because I was the only one back then talking about it. There was a bunch of people. In fact, I remember Todd and I started building ClickFunnels. And I remember about that time it was T&C, so it was the T&C before we launched ClickFunnels. And we got T&C, we were sitting in the audience, and Todd and I are mapping things out, and we're talking back and forth. And the entire T&C, that event was about funnels. And so Ryan was on stage, Perry was on stage talking about funnels they developed. "This is the funnel framework for all funnels." They sold the $18,000 funnel coaching program and half the room signed up, and all this stuff. And I was like, "Oh, my gosh. That's what we're trying to go, but they just took it from us." And then it was crazy. After that T&C, then everyone was talking about funnels. And it was funny, because the next week everyone became a funnel consultant. All of a sudden, 2,000 little funnel consultants were running around the internet talking about funnels. And I remember Mike Filsaime had done something showing behind the scenes of one of his funnels, and I remember somebody else got mad. I'm like, "We're the funnel person. You shouldn't be talking about this us." And I remember Mike and him were fighting back and forth. I was kind of watching this and I was like, "We have this software coming out called ClickFunnels. And I have this book I'm writing that's almost done called Dotcom Secrets, which is all about funnels." And so I was stepping in this thing where there was a whole bunch of noise around this topic, and I could have been like, "Who am I? I'm not qualified." Whatever. But instead I was like, "You know what? This is what I'm obsessed with. And I'm just going to do my thing, and I don't care about everybody else." And so I just did my thing and came out there, and there were people who... I can't tell the actual stories, but there were people who were upset. "You shouldn't be talking about this, Russel. This is so and so's thing." And then at TNC the next year, there was some weird comments from stage made about stuff. Because in fact, somebody said from stage, "Because of what we talked about last year at T&C, Russell created ClickFunnels because of us." And they gave them credit for this thing. And it was just this craziness. But man, we were the only ones who took it and that were consistent, consistent, consistent, consistent. I'm seven, almost eight years into the consistency, which is how you define the path. That's how you get the... You look at Jeff Walker, who's been talking about product launches for 20 years. Therefore, he's the product launch guy. People try to come dethrone him, but he's been consistently talking about the same thing for so long that you can't. And so the biggest thing is picking the platform, and then you just triple down on it and you keep doing it, and doing it, and doing it. And eventually, you will rise the Victor. But most people don't have the longterm, the patients to keep just drilling in for long enough to make it stick. Josh: Yeah. And I think that a lot of times, at least in my experience, and it could be different for other people. But a lot of times, it's because you're just not confident enough in it. The only thing that's going to be the difference of whether or not it's going to stick or not, is whether or not you're confident enough to follow through. That's not necessarily true for every single product universally. Sometimes the market doesn't fit, and sometimes there really is... If you tried to launch a competitor to iPhone right now, you're probably not going to make it. But generally speaking, especially in our world with funnels and experts and a lot of online influencer marketing and things of that nature. It's basically whoever sticks at it the longest and then creates the clearest, simplest stories, the clearest, simplest frameworks, and the easiest way for people to be able to get results with it, are the ones that are actually going to make it and follow through. Russell: Yeah. That’s the game, and it’s so much fun. Josh: All right. Well, I'm ready to move onto topic number two here. We're about at time. Russell: All right. Josh: You ready to rock and roll? Russell: We'll wrap it up. Thank you guys for listening. If you enjoyed this, let us know. Otherwise, we'll never do this again, so if you loved it, tag me and Josh on Facebook, Instagram, wherever you guys do stuff. If you tweet, I probably won't see it there, but tweet it up and let us know, and we'll come back and do some more of this stuff. Learn more about your ad choices. 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In the latest episode of the Marketing Secrets podcast, Russell Brunson delves into the concept of curation and its growing importance for influencers and entrepreneurs. He begins by discussing his own struggle with remembering the word "curate" and how he's been contemplating this topic for several months.  Russell explains that the future of business, particularly for influencers and experts, lies in mastering the art of curation. He describes his journey over the past 20 years, noting that his primary role has been to curate ideas. By reading countless books, attending courses, and experimenting with various concepts, Russell has been able to sift through vast amounts of information and distill it into practical frameworks that he shares with his audience through his books like Dotcom Secrets, Expert Secrets, and Traffic Secrets. Russell emphasizes that his books are not just collections of his original thoughts but rather curated insights from a wide array of sources that he has tested and refined. This process of curation involves sifting through information, retaining the most valuable elements, and presenting them in a way that is accessible and actionable for his audience. He shares an anecdote about a conversation with a fellow church member who inquired about his framework development process. Russell likens it to sifting sand, where the non-essential elements fall away, leaving behind the core principles that form the foundation of his frameworks. This method, he suggests, is applicable to everyone in their respective fields. To illustrate the power of curation, Russell recounts a story about Dan Usher, a member of his team. Dan is a fan of the band Rufus and trusts their curated recommendations for art and decor. When Dan moved to a new house, he relied on the band's curation to furnish his home, demonstrating how trust in a curator can extend beyond their primary expertise. Russell notes that as influencers, people come to them for their core expertise but often end up seeking advice on various aspects of life, from family and health to personal routines. This broader interest underscores the potential for influencers to curate content across multiple domains. One of Russell's major current projects is building a 20,000 square foot library next to the ClickFunnels HQ. This library will house an extensive collection of books and materials that he has curated, particularly in the fields of personal development and business. He has invested significantly in acquiring rare and valuable works by influential figures like Napoleon Hill and Dale Carnegie. The library will serve as a resource for deep learning and will include both physical copies and curated frameworks derived from these materials. Russell explains his vision of creating a comprehensive resource where visitors can explore various sections dedicated to his passions, such as religion, personal development, business, and advertising. Each section will feature rare first editions and curated materials, allowing visitors to dive deep into the subjects that Russell has meticulously curated. He emphasizes the importance of simplifying complex ideas through curation, making them more accessible and actionable for the audience. This approach not only enhances the value provided to the audience but also establishes the curator as a trusted source across multiple areas of interest. In conclusion, Russell encourages listeners to embrace their roles as curators. By curating and simplifying information, they can provide immense value to their audiences, who trust them not only for their primary expertise but for broader life guidance as well. This, he believes, is the future for influencers, experts, and entrepreneurs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this final segment, you get to hear Russell answer some questions from the attendees of the ROR Symposium. If you have enjoyed these episodes about the importance of relationships, please check out RORUniversity.com to learn more! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Hey everybody. This is Russell. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets podcast. All right. What did you guys think? Did you like the keynote presentation so far? I hope you did. Hopefully it gave you some ideas about how we grow a business using relationships and joint ventures and the Dream 100, and give you guys some realistic expectations on how the game is played. Hope you guys enjoyed it so far. Now at the end of the symposium, they opened up to Q&A, which was really fun. And so I had a chance to do some Q&A, answer some questions, and we kind of jumped all over the board. So this episode will be fun. You'll get a couple different perspectives on some questions. My guess is that one of the questions you're going to hear is a question that you're probably wondering or something maybe you should have asked and didn't even think about it. So I hope this gives you a some value and you get some benefit from it. Once again, I want to thank Christopher Voss for allowed me to use my presentation from his ROR symposium for the podcast episode. If you want to follow Christopher and learn more about what he's doing and how to build better relationships in your business, get more traffic, build more referrals and things like that, make sure you go to roruniversity.com and get on his list. All right, that said, I'm going to open up the third and final episode from our ROR symposium. We had a chance to do some Q&A with me, and I hope you guys enjoy it. Thanks so much. Don: One of my capacities today, just in this hour, is to be bouncer. So y'all get on the velvet rope, I've got my clipboard. I will let you go first, McCall, because I can see you on my screen. McCall, we've got 10 or 15 minutes, so just do me a favor, people: ask Russell your question with a certain amount of concise nature, and then he can answer it, because we have one last thing we need to do before Russell goes, and then we can wrap up the symposium. So McCall, go ahead. Unmute yourself and ask your question. McCall: Hi! Okay. I want to know who's on your list next. Don: Ooh. McCall: You got to have a list of people who you are always trying to connect with. I know you've gone to Tony Robbins. I mean, I know there are, but who are the people who you are actively trying to connect with now? Are you going to share it with us? Is it a secret? Is it supposed to be a secret? Am I missing something here? Russell: That's a good question. Maybe I'll put out the word, and guys can go find these people for me. McCall: Yes! Russell: It's interesting, and partially it's kind of where my life, like number one... Okay. So partially it's because I started getting obsessed with UFC during COVID, so I enjoyed watching more UFC fights... So this will make sense in a second. Also, I'm working on my success and personal development books right now, so it kind of opens up the reason why also. But the two people that I really am looking forward to eventually is Dana White and Joe Rogan. Those two guys are super fascinating to me. I don't agree with- McCall: Joe Rogan and, who was the first one? Russell: Dana White, who's the owner of UFC. Both of them, I don't agree with our belief system, like half, but they fascinate me on the other half and I have the ability to... Hopefully, all of us can learn is you can disagree with somebody on a lot of things and still have respect from them and still learn from them, so. But those are the two I'm really fascinated by and I have so many things... I'm not a very good interviewer, but man, if I sit down for an hour or two them, I would have so many things I want to ask them and like, ah, those guys fascinate me, so. McCall: Do you just do it in a Kevin Bacon way? Where you're like, okay, the six degrees of Kevin Bacon away from Joe Rogan and Dana White, and you just like start to eliminate? Russell: Definitely. There's that, but there's also like, is there a way I can incorporate Joe? How can I serve Joe Rogan? Right? He's the biggest podcast, my podcast doesn't help him, but I'll put him on stage potentially. Or there's something we could do, or... What's the next thing? If he's going to be doing his comedy shows, maybe I could find out like, "Hey, I can help fill a show in a city. We can do a funnel." Something like that where I can use my unique abilities to help magnify something they're doing. Or Dana White, I don't know how I'd serve him yet, but that would be kind of the thing. And then yes, it's looking at degrees of separation. I do know that Grand Cardone had Dana White on stage, I know there's that; I know Alex Sharpton is moving next door to Joe Rogan. So there's all kind of things. But I'm not like, "Hey Sharpton, can you call Joe Rogan for me? What's his address?" I'm not doing that, because I don't want to be the creepy guy. But I'm like, okay, I do know there's connection points, and who and how and all this kind of things. And then I'm also trying to pay attention to him. So like when I do have a chance to meet them the very first time, I can have an intelligent conversation. I can tell when people are prepared to meet me, because they... Like today, I had a guy that I'm potentially interviewing for a big position. And it was in the conversation, I could just... like, little things. He asked something about wrestling. I was like, "Oh, how do you like wrestling?" And he's like, "Your kid's wrestle?" I was like, I literally Instagramed a picture of Aiden on a wrestling mat last night. He did his homework, so we had this thing, and that's when I was like, "Oh, he is cool because he's paying attention." And all of a sudden I was like, "Ah, he got me. I trust this guy now because he had that commonality." And so, I'm trying to pay enough attention to them, what they're doing, where I could have a... Not that I have to agree with him, but I can like have a conversation. Like, "Hey, I don't agree with this. What do you think?" Sometimes agreeing with people don't create the connection points. The disagreement, you can have a discussion. That gets more fascinating and you get closer to someone through that than you ever could like, "Oh, you're so cool." People don't want to feel like they're being worshiped, they want to feel like an equal. So it's like, you get a mentally stimulating conversation with somebody that you disagree with, sometimes that's the best connection. I don't have the same opinion of that person, but that was the fascinating view to look at it through. And so, just gotta do my homework there. And yeah, stuff like that. McCall: That's cool. Thanks man! Russell: No worries. Don: Awesome. Okay, next... That's how rumors get started. Did you guys know that Russell's getting into UFC? He's going to be the ultimate fighter champion. Russell: I’m ready for it, let's go. Don: Let's go! All right, Daniel, you're next. Go ahead. Russell: I think if I was to have just retired from wrestling right now in my life, I 100% would be going towards UFC. Now that I'm an old man, I can't. And I didn't understand fighting back when I did get done competing, but if I was graduating from competition right now, I had 100% be in the UFC, or trying to be in the UFC, for sure. Don: And I had no idea that you were such a pop culture reference person. I've seen you do it stage a few time, but you did it in this small group, and I'm like, "Thank God. Russell and I have this in common." Because my immediate thought when you talked about it was, you can be like the guy from friends when John Favreau tries to be the ultimate fighting champion. He's passed his prime there and he has to give up the dream. But anyway. Daniel, go ahead with your question. Daniel: All right. First up, thank you so much, Russell. It's such an honor to be here in the same room as you. It's because of you, my mindset has switched from the mindset of just wanting to earn more money to serving people. I'm a big fan of you and your podcast, and especially Marketing In Your Car. That totally rocks. And my question… Russell: By the way, did you notice that? Now I know, first off, he's paid attention, but it wasn't just like, "Oh, I bought your book." He's like, Marketing In Your Car, which is my old podcast, he paid attention to. Yeah, so checked out connection point, now I'm like this guy's a real fan. I actually trust him even more. So, very good for you. That was awesome. Daniel: I love for you, Russell. I love you so much. So your latest podcast where you mentioned about the reasons for entry versus the reasons to stay, from Dan Kennedy. So I believe that we can also use that same framework for our Dream 100 too. If yes, could you expound a little bit more on that for me, please? Russell: Yeah. For sure. Those who don't know the reference yet, I did a podcast about this fax right here. Hold on. Oh, it’s not this one, dang it. Anyway, Dan only sends things through fax. So, there's fax that we got, which was like the fax he sent to the guy who bought it before me about how the other company destroyed his brand and his name, and there's a whole bunch of these little nuggets. So I shared one nugget, which was the difference between why people come into your business and why they stay in your business. They're different, right? For example, in our Mastermind, people come, it's like, "I want to be in my Russell's Mastermind!" And they get there and they're like, "Russell's not that cool, but all the people here are amazing!" And they stick because of the community of people, right? So it's like, I'm the hook to get him in, but this is what you're actually paying for is this amazing community. Right? And Dan was talking about, because for them, it's like, people come in because they want the money making secret of whatever, but they stay for the community and the newsletter, and Dan and his thoughts. It's understanding that they come and they stick for different reasons. And so Dream 100's very similar. I think a good practical example is like when we launched ClickFunnels, I was trying to find people that we could build funnels for free. Right? So I called a bunch of like bigger name people. Tony was one, Dave Asprey, a bunch of people who I woke up to. And I was like, "Hey, can I build you a funnel for your new book launch or for your thing?" It's like, they came because I wanted to serve them, do a thing like that. But then, that's how I got to know him. Right? I had a chance to go to Bulletproof Cafe and film Dave Asprey and get to know him, and become personal with him and like build a relationship. And so the hook was what got him to say yes to the meeting and to me spending half a day with him. Right? But then after that, the relationship stuck because of the other things. Does that make sense? So it's kind of the same thing. How do I surge enough hook to get them in so you have time to build relationships. That's the hardest thing. Right now it's hard because my time's so busy. How am I going to have time to… I can’t please everybody? So it's like, what's the hook? Like, what's something I can bring this value to you. It's like, "Okay, I got 30 minutes. Let's figure this out." And then during that window, if you build a relationship now, they stick for that. And I think that's a lot of times the way you open the door is through how can I serve you? For me, it's like, I don't have many talents, but funnels is one of them. So I built funnels for a lot of people. And nowadays, those other people aren't get ahold. Well, I don't necessarily build a funnel, but I'm like, "Hey, we want to migrate you over. I got a few amazing people to help you do your thing and build it out." And that way, again, we're serving them, getting it like, "Hey, now your things on ClickFunnel's platform." And then now, relationship is built. So I think that's probably how I look at it from an affiliate standpoint. Daniel: So yeah, just like going all out to serve them and just having that house service, and from there on, you build a reciprocity, and that's how you continue on the relationship. Thank you so much, Russell. Really appreciate you. Russell: No worries. Here’s an example, when Dave was out with somebody, we were at this thing and we'd asked this guy... We knew who it was. He's a friend but not best buddies. And we had ClickFunnels. It was when ClickFunnels first came out. We asked him three or four times, like, "Hey, you want to help us..." And he was just like, "No, no." And then Dave found out that he lives in Australia, he was flying back to Australia, and he wanted this surfboard. So Dave went and bought the surfboard, and then tried to give it to him that will miss the thing. So David had to jump in a car and drive three hours to the airport to get it to him and all this stuff. And then he flew back to Australia, he called me, he's like, "Man, Dave literally bought the thing I was looking for, drove it to me, got it for me in time. Now I have it here." He's like, "I have to roll ClickFunnels now." So Dave was the hook, and I was like, "Oh, you guys serve a level that nobody else does." Like, yes. Okay. Now I'll do the thing. And back, one of our early promoters, way back in the day. So anyway, just, it's always looking for that, like how do you help the people out first? Daniel: Amazing. Amazing. Thank you so much, Russell. Appreciate it. Russell: No worries. Thank you. Daniel: God bless. Don: Great question, Daniel. Thanks for being a real life example of what we're supposed to be doing, man. Russell was able to point out three things you did right, right there. That was amazing. All right, Jim, you're next buddy. Mr. Show, go ahead and unmute yourself and ask Russell your question. And try not to get in trouble. Jim: Don't get trouble. That's harsh. Russell: I'm like, "Cut the mic, cut the mic." Jim: Yeah. Russell: "Get him off, get him off." Don: I'm just kidding. Jim and I have had a really great relationship. He's been helping out, and he's going to help me out with something a little bit. Russell: Very good. Jim: Yes. So I focus on live streaming because I'm addicted to it. I think that Twitch is the future and I'm just trying to bring it here a little faster. And to entrepreneurs in particular, and I love the relationships that come from it. I had a game show called Exes Knows game show that formed amazing relationships. But it was very tight-knit, small family kind of a thing. So like, I want to give that to the audience too, and I wanted to know with like you have the Marketing Secrets show, and when you did that YouTube video, like I got giddy. You were like, "You need a show." I was like, "Yeah." But I just want to know if you had any recommendations for how to make it, that personal feel of being on the show, how can I give that to the audience? Russell: Mm. So I know what Twitch is because my kids watch video games on it and stuff. So can you explain so I understand like, are you in Twitch shows like more like, business type stuff? Or how are you… Jim: Yeah. If you go under Just Chatting for Twitch, they have actual shows. And shows like talk shows, interviews, game shows like what I ended up doing. They have round tables and all sorts of things that are not game centric, and the audiences are just loving it. They're adoring it. And they have things like Patreon to where you can take that step closer. They had exclusive content and things. So I was thinking of doing something more like that, but I'm not a big fan of Patreon. I just want to give that to them anyway. Russell: Yeah. It's funny. Again, this is mostly because I don't understand how the whole platform works. We talked about like, "We should do a Twitch show where people are just building funnels all day long, and my kids watch video games, and like..." We talked about it a couple times, so it's interesting. Again, I haven't done it on the platform, so I don't know exactly how it worked, but I think conceptually, the way you build communities is a couple things, right? Number one is like, people have to feel like they're a part of something. So it's not just like a bunch of randos coming to an event. It's like for Funnel Hacking Live, it’s a bunch of funnel hackers come to an event. Like, they're coming, and it's not like they're showing up just randomly. It's like, this is my people. I'm part of this. It's a tribe, it's a community. They're part of it, right? Just like family reunion, you go back and it's like, all my family comes together because we're family. And you can talk forever because it's a family mixed with family. And so we always try to create that, but it comes with people identifying with the thing you're doing, right? Expert Seekers talks a lot about this, but it's like those kind things. How do you get people to self-identify so they feel like they're part of the thing as opposed, I'm going to watch a show. Like I'm part of this, right? When we do ClickFunnel specifically, I was like, if people think it's Russell's company, they're not going to... It might be successful, but it'll stop. I was like, I want people to feel like ClickFunnels is our software. This is our company together. Right? And so you look at my languaging that I talk through things. I'm never like, "My company ClickFunnels." I'm like, "Yeah, it's a community." I'm like, "This is ClickFunnels, we have this community." And I'm trying to make it our company, not my company. Because no one cares if my company succeeds or not, but they care if our company, if our movement, if our culture, if our thing is different. Right? And so it's like, how do we make it we instead of just you? And I think that's one reason we've had so much success inside of our industries, I look at everybody else and everybody else doesn't do that. Everyone else is like, them and about them and about the thing. And it's like, we try to be us and try to make people feel tighter. And then you don't have to necessarily monetize on Patreon or whatever. It could be just swag. Like for example, we had Derral Eves came and spoke at our last Inner Circle meeting and he... Jim: I love Derral Eves. Russell: I don't know if you guys know the Chosen, but they've done $29 million in t-shirt sales on the back of the Chosen. So the content's completely free. Everything's free out there. But because the community and people want it, just in t-shirt sales. Right? And they've done a lot more in other stuff. But if you think about that, it's like, all the content's completely free, but it's the community. And so it's looking at that like how it's going to monetize it. Maybe it's not a paid thing or Patreon or whatever, but what do you have? Is it swag? For me, it's software. My whole goal is to get people into software eventually. Dan Kennedy was all about newsletters, physical newsletters is their thing that they monetize. And so it's just looking at like what monetization vehicle is exciting for you, and then making that the thing that, that you plug people into. It could be anything. It could be, again, software supplements. It could be all of us drink the same drink, supplement drink. Whatever the thing is. But there's this commonality thing that ties everybody together where they have this unique experience. In fact, prove it's a network marketing company I've done a lot of work with in the past. But everyone's drinking Ketones. Literally, the drink that they're drinking is what ties this community together, and they all have Ketone shirts and all these things, but that's the glue that ties all the people together, where they're all doing the same things. For me, it's software; other people, it's supplements; some people, it's new... whatever the thing is that glues the tribe together. Jim: Awesome. Thank you so much. I really appreciate the time. Russell: Sunday, if I remember on Twitch, doing the funnel hacker, funnel building show. I'll have to consult with you. Jim: Check out Just Chatting, man. It's really, really fun. Russell: Yeah. Very cool. Don: Awesome. Thank you so much, Jim. That's a great question. Russell, we have three more hands raised, and I've kind of cut it off and said that we're not going to have any more time. So if we could just take the last few questions, and then we'll wrap things up. Tammy, you're next. Could you please unmute and ask your question? Tammy: Hey Russell. I am so excited to have the opportunity. Thank you very much. And you mentioned something that was kind of a segue as to what I wanted to ask you, had I ever got the opportunity to ask you. And here it is! Tell me a little bit about the Funnel Hacker t-shirt. And the reason I asked is because this is what I do. I help clients make connections with their clients and customers, and love on them and kind of work their way through building these amazing relationships. And I use the Funnel Hacker t-shirt as an example all of the time. It's crazy. I don't even know if you know. Do you know you can't even go on eBay and buy a Funnel Hackers t-shirt. Like, occasionally you could find one, but most generally- Russell: A nasty one somebody had… Tammy: ... you just can't, man. I mean, you just can't find it. And so, it is a coveted item that defines your community. It gives them a jumping off point, not because it has your logo on it. I don't even think that's the brilliant part of this. The reason is because you have, either intentionally or not intentionally, you have connected with the end product of what you're delivering, and people self-identify with that to the point of, they want to be what it is that you offer. And I think people miss that so much in the branding. I see that in my business and things that I do; people want to slap their logo on it. Their first thing's like, let's put a logo on it and it's not about you. Can you speak to that just a little bit? Because got to love it. Russell: 100%. So I remember going to T&C before we launched Funnel Hacking Live. And I remember they gave swag items, and it was weird things. Like, one was a tuxedo and the things... And everybody got home and had them, and I just kind of threw them away and I didn't do anything with it. I remember we were building swag, I definitely didn't do this intentionally, but then after it happened, I realized it, and then we doubled down on that. And so what we realized is that, 100% of what you said. So yes, everything you said has my mark of approval. They have to identify. If they can't say I am a blank, they're not going to connect with it. Right? So I am a funnel hacker. I am a biohacker. I am a lady boss. I am a funnel builder. You can say, "I am a..." And then the word. That's how it is. Because I put it on like, I'm a funnel hacker. This is funnel hacker. But they have to be able to say that, "I am a..." Whatever. Expert Seekers would be a horrible t-shirt. I'm an Expert Seekers. No, I am a ClickFunnels. No, this is not going to work. It's not going to create a movement. Right here, Dan. Right? "I am diehard. I'm a diehard funnel hacker." That's the amplification of it. Right? But you wear that because that's who you are. I am a... Boom. And so that's what self identifies. And wearing a tuxedo thing was weird. I can't remember the one they had. I remember specifically, because Funnel Hacking Live was like a year later or something. And I remember thinking like I want swag that people would wear. And what's crazy now is I get texts probably two or three times a week from friends who are like, "I'm in Malaysia on those little carts." And as I'm driving down the street, there's this dude. They are taking pictures. "This dude in the middle of nowhere is wearing your shirt." And like, I get texts. It's like the craziest thing. Someone the day was like, "I'm in an airport in Singapore," "I'm in Australia," "I'm in New Zea-". All these things, and they're sending these random shirts, yeah I see a bunch of you guys wearing them. And it's just the coolest thing. And it's been spread through. If you notice nowadays, not all of them, sometimes they have different reasons, but almost all of our core shirts that we give away or do things with, always the test for me is like, "Can I say I am a blank?" If we can, sweet. If not... maybe it's something that's like a cool whatever, but it's not like a movement making something that someone wears. And so yes, 100% agree. And that's why we do it. And again, I don't think I did it up front. In fact, I think it was actually Kaelin Poulin. Because we had Funnel Hacker, and she had launched her swag stuff and a bunch of them didn't work. And then the one that just said LadyBoss on it, she came back, and I remember in our Inner Circle meeting, that's what she said. She's like I realize if they can't say I am a whatever, they don't self-identify, she's like, "We may sell it, but for us to sell a lot, it's like the self-identification gives people to actually buy, wear it, all that kind of stuff." So, very cool. Tammy: Thank you. Daniel: Awesome. Great question. Okay, Larry. And then we've got the last two. So Larry, go ahead and unmute and ask your question. Larry: Thank you. Thank you, Russell. For this wonderful speech. I'm really excited, because I started my journey three years ago with your Secrets books, and I have read them dozens of times, and audiobooks also. So I very well know your concepts of Dream 100 and making movements. I just want to, to ask you, I'm starting to make movement. It's a really, really small, really small group of fearless live go-getters. We are fighting the fear of going lives and starting those lives in the business. So what's your recommendation for me? I have finally a month and a half ago started to get some traction. I joined One Comma Club. So how to make that movement. Russell: So your people are going live like on Facebook. Is that what we're talking about? Larry: Yes. Yes. Since inside of the group, we are practicing, and later they are starting using that in their business. Russell: Okay. And then what type of people are you trading? Larry: Entrepreneurs and marketers. Russell: Do they fall in a certain subcategory underneath that? Larry: Yeah. Well, yes, they are people who actually haven't done those lives at all, but can realize very fast the power of it and have to overcome that fear. I'm also introverted, just like you, and I have done 160 lives in a row just to persuade myself. And during that period, I have persuaded so many people, so eventually the moment catch up. Russell: Oh, that's awesome. Well, I'd be looking at it like, if I was you, it'd be like, what do these people identify as, right? You know, McCall did Charisma Hackers. I did Funnel Hackers. What do you people consider themselves? Are they creators? The whole creator economy is a big thing. I'm a creator, I'm a go live creator. Are they doing physical projects? Are they experts? I look at how they would identify themselves. In fact, I don't even ask them. Hey, there's a lot of different people in this group. How would you self-identify yourself? And do a little quiz or survey, and see what the words that they're using. Because I didn't come up with funnel hacker, by the way. It's interesting. I had a webinar called the Funnel Hacks webinar, and we sold a course called Funnel Hacking Secrets or something like that, or Funnel Hacks. Anyway, whatever it was. And it was someone in our forum who posted, "Good morning, funnel hackers! Blah, blah, blah, blah." And I was like, "Oh, that's so cool! They called themselves funnel hackers." And they're like, "Oh!" And then like, "We need to..." And that started the whole thing. It wasn't something I came up with. It was like, they said it, someone said it. I wish I knew who said it, because I'd like give them an award or something. But someone said it in our little Facebook group of maybe 2000 or 3000 people at the time. And I was just like, "That's the coolest..." I remember like literally calling Dylan and Todd. And I was like, "It is the coolest thing. Someone just calls themselves a funnel hacker." Like, ah! So I would maybe ask your people and like, how would you identify yourself? Like, what are you? What would you call yourself? You can tell them, "We're building a tribe here. What should we call ourselves? We need a cool name." And see what the people in the group, kind of what they come up with as well. Larry: We are fearless live goal getters, but they like that name, but maybe I should reiterate it. Russell: Yeah. So there are fierce side go-getters so like with people who build funnels, so are we go-getters? Are we livers? Are we... Something. Something. Larry: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Russell: So very cool. Congrats, man. That's awesome. The Two Comma Club's the hardest. By the way, for who does is that after you get past the Two Comma Club, at least for me, there's a mental block for three years to break. Then after I got it, the rest of business got really. That's like the hardest one, is that first two Comma Clubs. One Comma Club is huge. Anyway, you get it. That's awesome. Larry: Thank you. Thank you. You're fantastic. Don: Love it. Awesome. Okay. So we have Michael Vale. Michael, you're not on camera, but I'm sure you're there. Yep. Michael: Yeah, I'm here. I'm actually hiding at work, so I can't put the camera on. Don: Understand. Michael: Yeah. That's a little different question for you, Russell. I love the way that you include your family, and I got to meet your two kids and your wife at Funnel Hacking Live. You'll have. And I know you're trying to get your boy cut up to be a little bit, but how does this play into the relationship world? Kind of an odd question, but... Russell: Say it again. So how does having my- Michael: Well, I'm just one of your hacker hire, but to see that and to see you share your faith, bring, for me, validity. It makes you aesthetic as a person. And how does that build relationships out in the community? , Russell: So, I think Myron Golden said, he said, "You don't attract who you want, you attract who you are." And so initially, I would try to get whoever into my world and I would kind of hide who I was more so, and I got people who I actually didn't like very much. If you've read the intro to Dotcom Secrets, I talk about how one day I woke up and I hated all my customers because I wasn't being like... And I hate the cliche. Like, "You need to be more authentic!" I was like, all right, well, I'm going to start sharing everything in my life. And I remember I started talking about my wrestling, I started talking about my kids back then. We just had our twins. I told that story, and I started with my wife. And it was crazy because I talked about these things, people who liked me started coming into my world. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, I actually like these people that I'm serving now," because we attract who we like. And there's people who… you know, it was years before I was willing to talk about God and my beliefs there, because I was like scared, like, "Ah!" And I started doing it and it was crazy, because one of two things happening. They didn't believe in God and they're like, "I don't care. Russell's cool for this." Or that you like, "Oh, I'm offended because you talked about that," and left. And I was like, "Sweet. That's great that they're gone." You know what I mean? And it's just interesting because the more I've done it, the more the people who we attract, I like them more and it's are exciting. And so I think it's just... I don't know. And I get a question a lot like, well, "Are you scared showing your kids on Instagram? Are you scared?" And yes, it's scary. At the same time, this is the world we live in today. You know what I mean? There comes a point where you've got to trade your kids, you got to do stuff, you got to pray that things are going to be safe and then hope for the best. And you know what I mean? And so, I don't know. It's being willing to share those things that are scary. And I'm not vulnerable at the point where I'm sharing everything about my life, but I definitely introduce people so they know who I am and where I stand and my values. Because at the end of day, I want more of those people around me. And there's people who come into our world who don't have my values, but a lot of times we transition, right? They come in because I make money, make money. And then they keep coming, then we talk about this and eventually like, "Huh." You start thinking about things differently. And so it's just being willing and open to share those kind of things. And if you do it, then it'll attract the right people. So yeah, I think for everybody just be being okay with that. Don's a great example of this, right? Don, I've seen a transformation in him over the last year and I love him. I love him however he wants to be. I don't care. And I respect him. He's a great friend, so it doesn't matter to me. And it's the same thing. Right? And some people, I'm sure you've lost friends, I'm sure you've gained friends. And it's like, who cares? Are long as the people I want are going to be around me and that's amazing. And the people who are not okay with that, they're gone and that's amazing too. It makes life so much better. I think it's like, all us should be who we want to be, and I think it's awesome. Michael: Thank you, Russell. Thank you. Russell: Hey, can we actually... I see Luke over here. Can we do one more question? Because I'm curious… Don: Don't worry. Don't worry. He's here. I just very quickly, I just want to say thank you, Russell, for that, by the way. It's my turn to cry. I made it through three days without crying, which is not easy for me. Losing people in my life like you was my biggest fear. Not because of who you are, because of the stories I told myself. So thank you for letting me love unapologetically and love myself unconditionally. I appreciate it. Russell: No worries, man. Don: Hey, Luke. So what you don't know about Luke yet, maybe, Russell, is Luke is 12, just turned 13, spoke on this symposium as one of the 35 amazing speakers, and did it on his birthday. And he courageously has raised his hand to ask the Russell Brunson a question. Luke, let's go, buddy. Luke: Hey Russell, I'm a super big fan. I have Dotcom Secrets. It's completely stained and everything because I've carried it everywhere around with me. And my brother he created- Russell: My kids don't think I'm cool, so if you could let him know, that'd be awesome. Luke: My brother, he's a huge fan. He created his own landing page, promoting your book at the age of seven. And so he loves you too. My question for you is how do you get credibility at a young age in an adult world? Russell: Ooh, that's that's a great question. So, I would say first off you're doing it. Like the bigger thing is in people's minds, and I'm the same way. We ought to set our our minds, like, "I can't be successful because of blah." Right. "Because I'm too young, I'm too old, I've got..." Everyone's got an excuse of why they can't do it, but what's crazy is like, when I got started, as I started doing stuff, people were like, "Oh my gosh, you're so young. This is cool." Right? And then you seem a little bit older. I think more of it's a mental thing. The fact you are here, there's a whole bunch of speakers on here, and I kept seeing your face. And I was like, "I want to talk to that guy. I want to talk to that guy the most. Like everyone else, oh, they're all boring adults. They're like, blah. Who cares?" I want to talk to you, that's why I called you at the end. So I think it's actually like a superpower. Like, usually the things that we are afraid of or we think are going to be are limiting things, end up becoming our superpowers. Right? And I think it's just leaning into it and being okay with it. Because most of that is just in our head, thinking like, I can't do it because of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I can't do it. Everyone's got excuse. I'm still to this day have tons of excuses. Like, I can't do it because I talk too fast or I'm not as cool as somebody else, or blah, blah, blah. We all have these same things. I think it's just understanding that that's actually a superpower. The fact that you're young and you're having success and you're doing these things is going to attract more people to you. More people are going to want to have you speaking at their events. And no lens. I don't know if you know Noah yet, but he was, I think, I think he was 11 or 12 when he somehow figured out my Voxer ID, hacked into my Voxer ID, and started messaging me. Anyway, I was just like, there's this young kid messaging me and... and I don't know. I wasn't scared. So if I started, do I respond back or not? Because it's a weird conversation and then I just showed you the message. It was so funny because he's like, "Hey Russell, I found an error on your funnel. Here's the fix, send it to your tech guy," and sent it to me. I was like, "What?" An 11 year old kid like found an error on my thing and then sent it to me. Right? And then the next day he's like, "Hey Russell, you talked about this thing. So I built an entire funnel that you could use to give your audience just as a gift. Here's the share funnel link if you want to use it. If not, that's totally cool as well." And then something else, he's like, "Hey, I took your sales page. I think I got a better hook so I rebuilt it. Feel free to A-B split test." And he kept sending me these things and eventually like, "Who are you?" And we started talking, and he's a young kid, same kind of thing. And then his story was so cool. I introduced a bunch of people and he introduced himself, and he spoke at one of our events and just all these doors got open because he was young. Right? If would've been a 35 year old dude, I just would have blocked everything because he was young, I was curious and it opened up all these things. And so I would just lean into it and realize that what you have as youth is a superpower. It's not a negative thing at all, and people are going to see you and just be blown away by what you're doing, and just keep doing it. And anyway, so hope that helps. Luke: Yeah, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much, Russell. Russell: No worries. Thank you. Don: So Luke, I don't know if you know, but Russell has this really awesome event. I know personally that he said a number of times that behind Funnel Hacking Live. It's his favorite, if not a dead heat for his favorite, it's called unlock the secrets. And it's a family driven event and we were able to go to the one that happened in I think Denver in 2019, but is there a rumor that you're going to do another one, Russell? Russell: We do have one coming up. So Luke, if you want a message my team we'll invite you and your family. You guys can come to it. It's awesome. It's going to be in Arizona. Where are you from? Luke: I'm in Canada. Russell: In Canada. Okay. Well, if you can break out of Canada, it's in Arizona, I think in June of this year. So message Chris or someone. He can connect you with that with my assistant, and we'll give you your family tickets if you guys want to come to it. Yeah. It's a family event. Luke: I would love that. Russell: Last time we did it, I think we had 300 or 400 like teenagers there and it was like the coolest experience ever. This year's going to be even cooler, so. Don: Russell, do you have time for me to tell one quick anecdote before we do something for Chris? Russell: Yeah. Don: The anecdote is about Unlock the Secrets, and number one, I'm a huge for family person, so I love the fact that during that event, you light up in a different way. And taking pictures of you, you make different faces, you act a little differently just because you're nurturing what you love about life in children, and it's so fun to watch. Two things. I watched a person, a young man, sitting at the corner of one of the edge of the roads, and he was furiously typing and doing stuff. And I kind of looked at his mom and she goes, yeah, and she kind of did this thing. And I was like, what? And she goes, "He's building another funnel." And I'm like, "Oh, another funnel?" And I was like... And I have a picture. He turned it around and he had his ClickFunnels page open and he scrolled it for me. He had dozens and dozens and dozens of that. This like 11 year old had designed himself. And then Noah, my interaction with him was when I was photographing him on stage, you allowed people to ask some questions at the panel. And they said, "Hey, I'm just curious. What do you charge to build a funnel?" You remember this? Russell: This is the best ever! Don: You want to tell everybody? Russell: Yeah. He's like, "Actually, I don't charge people for funnels anymore. I only trade for equity." Don: Uh-huh (affirmative). He's like, "I don't charge hourly. I only do it for equity." And I was literally like, "This kid is my idol now." He's not even in high school, and he doesn't do it for hourly wage. He only does it for equity. So, Luke, if I have the honor and pleasure of seeing you at Unlock the Secrets, I can't wait to see your funnel, and you can tell me that you want equity in my company to help me with something. Luke: I'm super excited. Don: Appreciate you, Luke. Russell: I love my… My kids actually told me this morning, I was driving to school. And Ellie's like, "Dad, you're the least mature adult that we know." Or something like that. And I'm like, "Thank you. That's amazing." Don: It's the Peter Pan quote, right? We have to get older, but we never have to grow up. That's all there is to it. Russell: Yes, exactly. Don: Hey Christopher, as we wrap up, I'm sure you're going to have words for Russell. I'm going to have a few myself, but I need to find you in my list. There you are. Russell: He passed out, he’s tired. Let's give him a break. Don: He is. He's probably sleeping. Hey buddy, how you doing? Christopher: Doing good. Don: Blown away. Blown away. Christopher, do me a favor. I'm sure Russell has very busy and important things to do. He's graced us with 90 minutes of his time. Now that we were able to surprise you with this, thank Russell for his time and thank you. What do you have to say to Russell before he goes and we wrap things up? Christopher: Thank you. Thanks for being here, and this is a dream come true. This is not the last symposium for Return on Relationship. I call this a movement, not just an event. And it just means the world to me, Russell, to have your support, and to have everyone's support. Everyone that came out to speak, and all of you that came out to attend. I want people to think differently about how they build relationships. I think this is something that's a need and I can't wait for all of you to go away from here and take everything that you've learned and apply it and change your lives. And Russell, you mentioned it when you told the story about Dave, what great news that we got about Dave. He's an incredible individual. I look up to him about as much as I look up to you, and I already thank you publicly, but yeah, relationships saved my life. I'm here putting on this symposium because I met you, and I never would've met Wallace Nelson if it wasn't for meeting you, and relationships to the foundation, for everything in your life; and just thank you, Russell, for being here and supporting me in my first symposium. It means the world to me. Thank you. And all of you, thank you. Russell: No worries, man. I'm proud of you for doing it. It takes a lot to put something like this together and to have the vision and everything. So, proud of you man, for doing it. And it's just the beginning, not the end. This is the beginning of, I think, your business, your movement and everything. So, proud of you and love you, man. Christopher: Love you too. Thank you. Don: Everybody wave at Russell. Thank Russell. Russell, thank you, man, for being here. We appreciate you so much. We'll see you again soon. 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In part 2 of this special 3 part series, you get to hear more of Russell’s presentation at the ROR (Return on Relationships) Symposium! In this half, Russell explains how you should provide value to people before you ask them for anything. Enjoy the second half of this keynote presentation, and don’t forget to check out RORUniversity.com to learn more! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Hey, what's up everybody? This is Russell. Welcome back to the Marketing Seekers Podcast. I hope you enjoyed the last episode for my keynote presentation at Christopher Vos' ROR Symposium. So far, in the episode number one, I had a chance to talk us through some of the history and the background of how we started building our business and I'm excited this next episode's going to be the second half of my keynote presentation. I hope you enjoy. And then afterwards, the third episode, we're actually going to, I opened up some Q & A and we had a really good time doing some of that as well. That'll be the third episode, so this episode would be the last half of my keynote presentation. I hope you enjoy it. Again, if you want to go deeper with Christopher Vos, make sure you go to roruniversity.com and get on his list, read his stuff, listen to what he is doing because he is helping a lot of people to build businesses by using relationships and really understanding how to do the stuff we talk about. I talked about Dream 100 in the Traffic Secrets book. This is what he's talking at a much deeper, much more powerful level. With that said, I'm going to cue up the theme song and when we come back, you'll have a chance to listen to second half of my keynote from the ROR Symposium. Okay. Now, I'll tell a side story because it popped in my head right now and that's what I do, right? About the time, it was after Joe Vitale promoted me, I had a list with certain sites and then I got a phone call from a guy named Tellman Knudson. Anybody here know who Tellman is? Tellman used to be big at our space. He shifted it over to more hypnosis, personal development space. But Tellman messaged me on the phone. He was like, "Hey, Russell, I had this idea. I'm building or I'm interviewing all these people and," I can't remember, "I'm going to interview you for an hour about a topic and then I'm going to put it behind the squeeze page and then everyone's going to promote the squeeze page. People are going to join my list, they'll get your interview and all the other interviews." And I was like, Uh, okay, I think that's the worst idea ever." He's like, "What do you mean?" I'm like, "I'm not going to email my list to your squeeze page so they can opt in and join your list to get my free interview. I'll just give them my free interview. Why would I do that? It does it make any logical sense." He's like, "Well, everyone's going to promote it and that way, everybody, everybody's lists, people from other lists will see you as well and it's going to be the huge thing for you." I was like, "Dude, that's the stupidest idea ever. No. No." I told him no, flat out, I was like, "This is never going to work, but good luck in your future," and I hung up, right? I was nice because on my DISC profile, I'm a high S, so I can't be mean to people. So I was like, "Okay, well, sorry." Anyway, so that happens and then fast forward three months later, all of a sudden, in one day, I get emails from everybody, Joe Vitale, the Nitro Marketing guys, all the people who are the biggest of the time, emails from everybody and I open up and it's like, "There's this guy named Tellman Knutson, the interview is on his ListBuilder and you should go check it out." And I clicked on it and went to, it was called listcrusade.com, it was his site, I went to listcrusade.com and sure enough, there's an opt-in to get all these interviews and I opted in and there's all these people's interviews. I was like, "What? How do you pull it off? You got the biggest names in the world to go and do this." And I was just perplexed, like how? I'm like, "This is the dumbest idea ever. I should have done it. If it worked, this is crazy. So I found his number, I messaged him, "Okay, tell me, I'm so confused. Can I ask you a question?" So he jumped on a call with me and I was like, "Okay. I just saw yesterday 50 people all promoted your squeeze page." He's like, "Yeah, I've added 120,000, 130,000 people to my list and the last 48 hours." And I was like, "How did you do that?" And it was so fascinating. He said, "You know what, Russell? I called 49 people and I got 49 nos in a row. First one said no, no, no, no, no. You said no. Someone said, everyone said no." And he's like, "But guess what? The 50th person," he said it was Kevin and Matt from Nitro. He said, "I called Kevin and Matt and for some reason, they said yes. And after they said yes, I was like, "Cool, do you know else would be a good fit?" And then Kevin and Matt were like, "Oh, yeah, you should get so and so and so," and then they emailed the Nitro like, "Hey, you should meet so and so and so and so," they jumped over there. Those people said yes as well." And he's like, "The next 37 people in the row all said yes." Oh, he even had Jay Abraham on the list. Anyway, he said, "The next 37 people all said yes and here we are." And I was like, "Oh, my gosh, how many of us, including me, would've stopped at the first no or the second or the third? But as soon as he got one cool kid to think he was cool, he was in. Okay? So you start thinking about this, actually, this is probably more for the women. This is embarrassing, I'm going to say this. How many you guys ever seen the movie Never Been Kissed? Drew Barrymore. Okay. Macaulay, can you act this out while I explain? Just kidding. Okay. Here's the story from Never Been Kissed. Drew Barrymore, in the movie, she's never been kissed, she graduates high school and now she's a columnist at a newspaper. She's a big columnist and her brother was the cool kid. He was the jock and the coolest kid and he graduated now he's this loser because he's graduated from high school. Anyway, she's in her day job as a columnist and they're like, "We want article from what are the high school kids doing so we need you to go undercover back to high school and find out about the cool parties and all the cool stuff." So Josie, drew Barrymore's, character goes back to high school and within five seconds, she slides back into the nerd group which they're doing chess club and all these kind of things and she's writing articles about chess club and her editor's like, "No, we don't want these articles. I want the cool kids, the drugs and all this stuff, what's happening. We want the underground dirt, that's the article we're looking for." So she tries to get in and she's like, no one will, the cool kids club will not let her in. So she's home and she's frustrated and then her brother's there and her brother's played by David Arquette and so David Arquette is jealous. He's like, "I want to go back to high school, I was the coolest kid in high school." And, and Josie's like, "There's no way, you don't understand, it's harder, it's not the same thing. If you went back to school, you wouldn't be cool." And it gives the idea for him. He's like, "No, I'm going back to school." So he somehow, and Tammy says it isn't on Netflix, I'm sure it's on Netflix. Anyway, this is your homework. Everyone go watch it. So Drew Barrymore or David Arquette's character goes back and gets in high high school somehow and she sees him in the hallway, she's like, "You can't do this. It's not going to be like, you're not going to be cool like you were before." He's like, "Watch this." So he goes into the lunch room, this is the greatest scene of all film. He's in the lunch room, he's standing up on the table and he's got this huge bucket of cole slaw and he's trying to eat the entire thing, shove it in his mouth and the whole high school's cheering him on like, "Oh," and he's eating the stuff he slams the thing down. He's like, "Oh," and that fast, he's the coolest kid in high school, everybody loves him and he's the man. And then, the next day, he's like, "Okay, I'm going to show you, Josie. I'm going to make you cool." So he goes with Josie, his sister and one of the cool kids sees him and he's like, "Oh, why are you hanging out with her?" And he's like," "Her? She's the coolest girl. She actually broke up with me, she's so cool." All this stuff. And he starts talking about how cool she is and all of a sudden, everyone's like, "Oh," and then all of a sudden the cool kids are like, "Oh, she's cool." And all of a sudden, boom, she gets sucked in. And then one cool kid thinks she's cool, the next, the next and eventually, that fast, she's cool. Okay? That was a very long story to tell you that the secret is, as soon as one kid thinks you're cool, as soon as one cool kid thinks you're cool, you're in. So Tellman Knudson, same thing. He was going back here. No, no, no, no, and he got one cool kid, Kevin and Matt from Nitro who thought he was cool and then opened up everything else. So if you guys are on this ROR thing again, a couple things that I was hoping to get through to you guys, number one is, we're shooting for the stars, that'd be amazing, but don't start there because it's going to be really hard to get in. Build your thing. Find people who are around you who are doing the same, in the same business, same industry and start building from there and start growing. As you do that, it's going to start opening more doors for you. Someone's going to introduce you to somebody else, someone else is going to introduce you and you start building this network of people and you start doing it collectively. If you do it collectively, all, what's the saying? High tide rises all boats. So it starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger and eventually, it gets easier to open the next door and the next door. And eventually, what happens is, I had this group of people, Mike Filsaime and Gary Ambrose, Brad Callen and Brad Fallon, all these people, all my friends at the time, Frank Kern, all of us who are this level and eventually, at that point, we're at the level of all these other people. But guess what? There's always a next level. And there was this guy that, oh, I looked up at this guy, crazy. He's a giant, he's got big old teeth. Anyone guess who it is? It's Tony Robbins. And Tony's the next level up here. And Tony's up there and we're all down here. And one day, somehow, one of my cool kid friends got into Tony. I don't know how or who it was or anything, but somehow, one of them got into Tony. He had a meeting with Tony and blew Tony's mind and then my friend, I actually I know, it was Mike Koenigs. Mike Koenigs got into Tony somehow, blew his mind and then, so one cool guy, cool with Tony. And then Mike Koenigs introduced him to me like, "Hey, you should meet Russell." He's so and so, and suddenly Tony, I get a, and this is the craziest experience ever, Saturday morning with my kids getting ready and the phone rings, I pick it up and it's Tony Robbins' assistant. "Hey, Tony Robbins wants to see if you can meet him today?" I'm like, "Okay, who is this?" I thought it was my friends messing with me and they're like, "No, my name's Jay Garrity, I'm Tony Robbins assistant. He's in Salt Lake City, he wants to meet with you." I'm like, "I live in Boise." They're like, "Yeah, well, he knows who you are and he meet with you. Can you get to Salt Lake?" And I'm like, "Well, it's a five hour drive. I can jump in my car." He's like, "Oh, we're flying out in three hours." He's like, "How about next week? Can you meet Tony in Toronto? He's your UPW, you can show up, go to the event, walk on fire and then he'll have a private meeting with you." I was like, "What's your name again? Is this a real person?" I'm like, "Heck yes, I'll be in Toronto next week." So the next week, I'm flying to Toronto. Again, I've never been to a Tony Robbins event so I show up with my backpack, my computer, I'm going to sit back and take notes like the internet nerd that I am. And I walk in and people are jumping and screaming and we're sitting there dancing and rubbing people shoulders and I'm so confused what's even happening. And then, we walk on fire and the first time I met Tony actually was the fire walk. He had me in a VIP section, so imagine there's 2000 people in the event and then right next to the stage, he has these two VIP sections and I actually stood next to Chuck Liddell. I didn't know who Chuck Liddell was at the time, I'm like, "That guy looks scary," big old mustache and big old muscles and I was like, but he was there. Anyway, I saw him when he went to UFC and I'm like, "That was my partner at UPW, I know everything was messed up in his life. This is so weird." Anyway. He's probably offended I had no idea who actually was. Anyway, we're in this little group so we could have a chance, to go back, the first time I met Tony is, after everyone leaves the fire walk, we walked through the front thing and they opened the curtain and Tony's standing there and he was like, "Russell, I heard so much about you," he gives me this huge hug and then we walk with him and I did the fire walk with Tony and that's my first impression. But check it out, it wasn't because I emailed Tony and tried to get to know him. I probably emailed him a lot and it never made it to the gatekeepers. But it was because one cool kid got in there and told him I was cool. And after that, it was open. Doors were open. So this is in, in my mind, this is the stuff I want you guys thinking through. Sometimes, with Dream 100, we're going to turn the relationship, we're going to give a list and we're going to send it to mailboxes and that's going to be how we grow our company. There's a place and a time for that, but that's not how it really works. It's this organic thing where it's building actual relationships, getting to know people, finding out about them and their families and how can I serve them and back here, when we're all at this level, it's like me trying to help them like, "Oh, I tried this in my business and it worked. You should try that." We're having these back and forth and it builds these relationships. And then, together, we all collectively rise up to the next level and the next level and the next level to eventually, we are the top level and that's when it gets more and more fun. So that's what I was hoping to really share with you guys, especially because I think, for some of you guys, as I'm sure for many, you look at someone who, like me, who's been doing this now for 20 years, oh, it's easy for us. Anyone will take this call. Yeah, but it's 20 years I've been playing this game. 20 years I've been putting the coins in the deposit box over and over and over and over and over again. When I found out who Dan Kennedy was, I'm like, "Okay, I want to get to know that person, but I don't know how to get there and it was like, well, there's two ways I can get into Dan Kennedy's world. I can work my way in or I can buy my way in. I'm like, working my way could take a decade or two, so I'm going to buy my way in. So I was like, "Okay, I've joined the mastermind group, I'm getting in there." And then I didn't go. I have people, oh, people that joined my mastermind group this last time around, amazing group, but there's different, everyone's got a different mindset and I have people coming in initially and they're like, "Russell, this is so cool. Can I make a testimony with my video? Hey, can I get a picture?" And they were trying to take, take, take, take, I'm like, "Ah." When I went to Dan Kennedy's group, guess what I didn't do? I didn't take from Dan. First off, because I'm scared of him. Number two, I was like, all right, I'm going to serve these guys because I want Dan to know who my name is. I don't want me to message Dan, I want people telling Dan who I am. If I can do that, that's the secret. So I'm in Bill Grazer's group, I'm serving the group, I'm trying to help as much as possible. I'm helping these offline people in this group to launch online businesses. I'm helping them get funnels. I'm helping them do the launch, I'm doing coordination. All this stuff to serve Bill Grazer's group. And Bill's like, "Oh, my gosh, Russell's really helpful." And he tells Dan, "Dude, this guy in our group, he loves you, he loves everything, he's helping our group." And I always wanted to speak at Dan's event, but I'm like, I'm not going to ask him because I don't want to do it, but I'm just going to keep serving and eventually, he's going to have to, because I do so much stuff for so many people, they're going to want to put me on stage. So I get in that group and I'm serving like crazy. In fact, after, I think it was three years in, I wanted to, anyway, I had to fly to Baltimore three times a year and it's not just flying to Baltimore, Bill was in Baltimore. You'd fly to Baltimore and then you'd drive in a taxi for an hour to get to the hotel that Bill would have it at, and after three years I was like, "I can't do this anymore." So literally, I messaged Bill, I'm like, "Hey, I'm not going to re-up this next year because I just can't keep coming to Baltimore." And he literally was like, "This is the deal, Russell, you have to be in the room so you're not going to have to pay anymore, but you're still coming." I was like, "Okay." And for the next three years, I didn't pay but I kept showing up because I provided so much value, he's like, "You have to be in this room because you're facilitating all these things." And then he had me on stage, had me on stage again and then eventually, I remember the last event I spoke at, I spoke on stage four times. I was on stage longer than Dan Kennedy was. Do you think Dan Kennedy knew my name? Yes, he did. He was like, "There's this internet nerd who keeps showing up and helping everybody, he's never asked for anything. We should get to know him," and that's how I built a relationship with Dan and then with Bill and with all these kind of things. And now, fast forward a couple years later, the opportunity to buy Dan's company's there and I'm like, what if he hates me? Because he's not going to approve ... And I literally, I faxed him because you can't email Dan, he has no email, you have to fax him. So I had to open an eFax account, write it on a piece of paper, send it, it's this whole thing. So I faxed him, I was like, "Hey, there's an opportunity to buy your company, but I just want to make sure that you don't hate me or I'm not ... We're going to be working together so I want to make sure this is going to be a good fit." And he faxes me back, he was like, "Dude, every time I've heard about you, it's you on stage talking about how good I am, you always praise my name, all these kind of things. Of course, I would love to work with you," because he knew who I was. I had been trying to serve him for all this time and I'd never asked him for something so because of that, he said yes. And now we're have this partnership and we're 30 days away from watching the new magnetic marketing and you guys are going to die when you see this, it's the most exciting thing ever, but it all came off of that, building these relationships over the long term. If you guys haven't, on YouTube, there's a video, if you type in "Russell Brunson Tony Robbins Dream 100," there's a video documenting my Dream 100 process with Tony, which was over a decade and a half to do this thing, the very first time he actually promoted me. But it wasn't me coming in like, "Tony promote, Tony, promote." If I would've done that, I would've had one meeting with Tony and that would've been the last. It was a decade of me just, every meeting with Tony, "How can I help? How can I help?" People from this company would call like, "Hey, can you consult us on this thing?" I'm like, "Yes." "How much does it cost?" I'm like, "For Tony, it's free." "I'm sure your time’s valuable, we’re willing to pay you." "No, tell Tony, your money's no good with Russell," because I wanted the relationship. And fast forward now, I'm going to get emotional. Oh. This isn't a story that we've publicly told, but you guys know Funnel Hacking Live, Dave had his cancer, if you know the real story, it's literally the worst kind of cancer you have, they give them like a 6% survival rate past eight months, 10 months, something like that. So we were so scared and after Funnel Hacking Live, after Tony off stage, went backstage with him and Tony was like, "How can I serve? What else, what can I do for you guys?" And Todd had the impression, "Hey Tony, this is our friend and partner Dave. He's dying. Is there anything you can do?" And Tony says, "Yes, these are the people. Call this person, call this person. In fact, I'll connect you. Here's the people." Two weeks later, Dave's flying to Dallas, he's with this doctor who does things the opposite of what every other cancer doctor does, Dave spends two weeks down there with him. I won't get too deep into the details, but discovers there's a root canal that causes the tumor, pulls his tooth out, throws the oxygen in there, oxygens his body, does a bunch of things. Two days later, Dave goes back for his MRI where they're supposed to tell him how long he's got left so he can plan with his family. They do an MRI, the doctor looks inside and says, "There's not a bit of cancer inside you. What did you do the last two weeks?" And because of my relationship with Tony, I had access to this guy who saved Dave's life. And Dave's going to be here for the next 20, 30 years because I was willing to put in, for a decade and a half, this relationship with Tony and Tony had a relationship with these other guys and man ... So is it worth it? Yes. Is it worth financially? Yes. Is it worth it from so many more things? Yes. It is. So I'm forever grateful that I didn't ask Tony to promote my thing on day one. I'm forever grateful that I didn't try to figure out what I could take. I'm forever grateful that when they asked for help, I just gave it because I love Tony and because that opened all these doors where, yeah, so whew, not planning going there, but that's the power of this stuff. So when Christopher's talking about this, I'm sure he is told his story. He had a very similar situation where, because of the relationship, his life was saved. So you never know, it's coming into these things not looking for something, but coming in as a servant. And as you have that servant feeling and you're going into it, it's amazing what doors open and you never know what door you're going to need or when you're going to need it or what the thing is or what the, you know what I mean? It's crazy. Whew. I don't know how I wrap that up or how to- Don Mamone: Do you need a minute? Do you need a minute? I mean, I'm going to step in and just say, take a drip of water. That's probably one of the most amazing stories and I have to say that you, unknowingly maybe, and the reason you needed to tell that story was because we had an ongoing over-under bet on how long it takes a speaker to cry on Christopher's stage because so many people have come up and told stories from the depths of their heart and soul. So, hey, I want to thank you for joining those of us that have joined Christopher's stage in which you have an over-under on telling an emotional story, so thanks for that, Russell. Russell: No worries. You set a environment where it was there. Anyway. Yeah, I hope that this was helpful for you guys. Again, I was like, I could go and give you guys the foundation and step one and step two and step three, stuff we talked about here, but I was like, I don't want to do that. I want to be real as possible because it's real in so many aspects of your life. And now's the time, wherever you are, is to start planting those seeds and starting looking at who can you serve, who can you serve and the more you do that, the more doors open and the more things. And it's okay eventually because I think sometimes, people are scared to ask and I would tease Christopher about this. He's been building a relationship with me for now, I don't even know, three or four years and we used to have a joke inside of the office, "What's he going to ask?" Somebody's going to ask something. "I don't know. Maybe he's just going to keep serving and serving and never ask." And then when he finally is like, "Hey, I'm doing this thing, would you be willing?" "Finally, thank you for asking." Because we know, there's always, all of us, when I was dating my wife, I was asking her on a date and she knows my intentions. If I already came date number one, "Hey, can we get a picture just in case if we get married, we'll have the ... " Whatever. If I'd done these weird things along the way, it wouldn't have worked, but like everyone knows, we're in business, we're in things like that, we know what the goal is, but we're trying to feel people out to see if they're genuine or not. It's interesting. I heard Adam Sandler talk about it one time and he was like, "I don't have very many friends." He said the reason why is because, he's like, "Earlier in my career, as I started having more success, everyone wanted be my friend. I realized really quickly they didn't want to be my friend, they wanted something from me." And the higher tier you get, you'll find out that happens. For me, I don't have a whole bunch of friends because I don't know who my friends are a lot of times. It's interesting because there was a time in my life where I thought everyone who was coming was my friend and I started giving people jobs and some of you have heard the story, I built a huge company of over a hundred people and I thought they were my friends and were here because of the mission, because of the vision. And when we had a hiccup and things kind of crashed, they all went away. And it was interesting because thought that they were coming for that. I can't remember exactly where I was trying to go with this train of thought, but ... Oh, yeah. At the higher levels, just Understand that their guards are up because they've been burned in the past and it's like, who's true friends? And if you show up as a true friend where you're giving, you're serving, they know you want to do something with them eventually anyway, that's in the back of their mind, but they're testing, is this person the person who's coming because they're trying to get something from me or someone who genuinely wants to be a friend or genuinely wants to help, genuinely wants to do something? So it's just consistently showing up for a long time and maybe it's not as fast to turning on a Facebook ad, but for the long term stability, what you're trying to do, it's the best thing. Anyway, I hope that helps. I hope that gave somebody something today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this special 3 part series, you get to hear Russell’s presentation at the ROR (Return on Relationships) Symposium! Russell discusses the importance of what he calls the “Dream 100”, and how it helps create relationships that support both his business and his personal life. Check out RORUniversity.com to learn more! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Hey. What's going on, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Want to welcome you back to The Marking Secrets podcast. I got something special for you guys over the next three episodes. I'm actually on vacation right now, Thanksgiving vacation. My wife and my kids and I are all in Kauai, Hawaii. You might hear them giggling in the background depending on how well this microphone picks up noise. And so, I didn't have a chance to record a podcast for the next couple episodes, but before I left on vacation, I actually had a chance to be part of a really cool summit that my friend, Christopher Voss put on called The ROR Symposium. And he had me as one of his keynote speakers, and he had me talk about just my history, my journey, using relationships, and joint ventures, and things like that. The Dream 100, as I call it, to build my business and everything we've done over the last almost 20 years now. And so, it was a really special presentation. It was one that I came to with notes, but not PowerPoint slides and things like that. It was more, I just wanted to kind of share from my heart. And if you know Christopher Voss you know he's a very emotional person and he brings that emotion. And apparently, I found out afterwards, all the speakers end up crying. In fact, I did as well during my presentation. So, there's something really special in the middle that you'll find out about. But anyway, I hope you really enjoy these. They're going to help you to learn how to build joint ventures, how to find your Dream 100, how to build better relationships with people, and how to turn that into more business and help you to get your mission out there to change more people's lives. If you don't know who Christopher Voss is, I recommend following him. He told me that the best site to send you guys to... I said, "Where should I send people to listen who want to go deeper with you and learn more about relationships and how to build businesses using them?" And he said theroruniversity.com would be the best place for you guys to go. So, if you want to go deeper with Chris, go to roruniversity.com, check out what he's got there. And with that said, I'm going to cue the theme song. When we come back, you have a chance to hear the first part of my keynote presentation. As I was kind of thinking through this, I was like, "Man, there's 30-something speakers coming. Everyone's talking about different ways to do this ROR, return on relationship game. And everyone's got different ideas and things, and it got me to back, man, almost 19, 20 years ago now. And so I... If you guys are cool with it, I just want to do some story time and tell you guys my story and some of the things along the journey that I tried, that I... failures, the successes, specifically inside of this relationship, and joint venture partners, and things like that. And hopefully, it'll give you guys some comfort. Because everyone starting different points and sometimes you look at someone like me like, "Oh, well, Russell knows Tony Robbins, and Dan Kennedy," and da, da, da. But there was a day, 18, 19, 20 years ago where I was a little kid scared out of my mind awkwardly trying to message people pre-Facebook. So, I'm sending emails and trying to... and it was scary, and hard, and so hopefully, it'll give you some faith in wherever you are in your journey. Just like, "Okay, this is right. It's going to be good." It's going to be for some of us, especially the introverts like me, this is going to be something that kind of stretches you and feels uncomfortable sometimes, but then it can become something you really love and enjoy and gives you the ability to change the world at a level you never thought was possible. So, that's kind of my game plan. Then after that, we can open for some Q&A and... or whatever we want to do. Or we can celebrate, have a party, or we can sing Christopher's song and let him have a nap. Hey, whatever we want to do, it'll be fun. So, looking back, it's funny, because when I got started in this business, I was still in college. So, I had just met my beautiful wife, Colette, who I think we're celebrating our... I think it's our 20th anniversary this summer, which is crazy. So, she's stuck around my chaos for this long and she's... Gosh, she's the best. But we had just gotten married and I was trying to figure out how to support her. I was wrestling and I didn't want to quit wrestling, so I'm like, "How do I wrestle and do all these things at once?" And so, I did what most people do and I went to Google and typed in how to make money. Right? Which, who here has done that at one point in your career? And you go on this rabbit trail, right? Of like, "Whoa, there's a lot of things to do." And everyone's got a different thing, and you start joining email newsletters. You know what those are at first and you start getting these emails from all these people, and then for me, it was like I was reading blogs and then I was joining... They didn't have Facebook groups back then. They had forums. So, I was joining the Warrior forum and How-To Court forum, and then... Anyway, there's like 20 or 30 different forums. So, all day long I'm reading forums of people, and I'm getting emails, and I'm learning all these things. And it was interesting because I was learning all the different pieces, right? Some people would talk about SEO and that's what they geeked out on. So, I started reading all the SEO articles, and I started learning how to do SEO and backlinking. So, I was like, "Oh, this is how you make money." And then someone else was like, "SEO's stupid. This is how we make money," and they had a whole different strategy. And then someone else had a different strategy, and soon I was just looking at all these shiny objects and I was like, "I don't know which one I'm supposed to do." How many of you guys ever felt that before? There's like 8,000 things. Like, "Russell said funnel. Someone else said this." Like, "Ah." And so, I was in that as well, and so I was just like... I got in this perpetual learning phase, right? Where I was learning and studying, and learning and studying. Then I started watching what was happening. Right? And I was on all these different email lists, but then it seemed like it was coordinated. Once every couple months, all of a sudden I would get an email from 30 or 40 people who somehow I had got on their email lists and all of them would be talking about the same product at the exact same time. Right? And all of a sudden you're like, "Oh, my gosh. Everyone's talking about this thing." Right? And I think the first ones I saw there was an old e-book called Google Cash. And it's how people are making money on Google doing Google ads. It was Chris Carpenter's offer, and he had gotten a whole bunch of affiliates. I don't know how at the time, but he had a whole bunch of affiliates all promote at the same time, so my inbox... And I'm at college opening my inbox and there's like 40 emails from people all talking about this book. I'm like, "This is the thing everyone's talking about. It's got to be the secret." I was so excited. And I went and paid this $67 for an e-book, which no one knew what e-books were back then and we were all confused. Literally, I remember messaging the support team and I was... like two weeks later. I'm like, "When's the book going to show up?" And they're like, "It's digital." I'm like, "I don't know what that means." They're like, "It means you download it." And again, 20 years ago, that was like... that was weird. That wasn't a thing that nowadays we all get it. But back then... And so I download this book, and I'm trying to read it, and I was just like, "I paid $67 for a PDF. My wife's going to kill me when she finds out." But I'm reading it and I'm getting all excited like t's next big thing, and all of a sudden, there's this next promotion and everybody's talking about this next thing. I'm getting all these... like 20, 30 emails. And I was like, "It's got to be this," so I jumped over there, and it's started me on this rabbit trail. And I just remember being confused, and overwhelmed, and all the things a lot of us go through. Right? And about that time... This was probably the very first ever high-ticket... Not even high-ticket, like $1,00 product. There was this guy, and I didn't know who he was at the time, but again, all of a sudden the emails start flying in my inbox. Right? And they're all for this guy. They say this guy is the godfather of internet marketing and he's retiring. And because of that, he's giving away his entire empire, everything he's built. And he called it the farewell package. Like, "This is my farewell from the internet. I'm done. I'm out. I've made millions of dollars, now I'm leaving." And his name was Mark Joyner. And I didn't know who Mark was at the time, but I started reading the emails and the stuff, and I was just like, "This is the greatest thing in the world." Right? So, I remember going to the sales page, reading through it ready to try to buy it for 20, or 30 bucks, or whatever, and the price went was $1,000. And I was like, "Oh, I do not have $1,000. I've never had $1,000." My wife was working, supporting at the time, and she was making, I believe $9.50 an hour. So, I mean, it would take her, man, over 100 hours. No, because you got taxes. Probably 200 hours of her working, so that's a lot of time to pay for this $1,000 course. I remember looking at it and I was like, "Oh, I don't have any money. I'm a broke wrestler." I had just gotten married, therefore, now I'm living off my wife who's making $9.50 an hour as a receptionist where she was working at. And I was like, "There's no way I can do it." And so, I remember not being able to buy it, not being able to buy it, but I kept seeing the emails, and the promotions, and the urgency, and the scarcity, and it eventually got to the point where it was about to sell out. Probably five or six weeks into this whole thing and about to sell out. And they were closing down the cart. And I remember the night before... This is... Again, for those of you who are newer before there were webinars, there were things called teleseminars where you would pick up the phone, and you would call, and you'd just listen to people talk. And so, I called this teleseminar, and on the teleseminar these guys are talking about the Mark Joyner Farewell Package. And it was just... It was going to be gone the next day and you had to get it. And I remember listening to it and being sick to my stomach and laying in bed that night, and I was like, "I have to do it. This is my thing," and being so stressed out. And finally, the next morning I was still laying in bed. My wife woke up and I was like, "Colette, I know I bought a lot of stupid things that I haven't done anything with any of it yet, but I think this is the one. I think this is the thing." I remember asking her. I was like, "Can I buy it?" And she said something like... In fact, I talked about it. I wrote it in the Traffic Secrets book, this story, but she's like, "Well, do you think this is the one for you?" I was like, "I think this is the one." She's like, "Okay, then here's our credit card." And we only had like a $500 credit limit I had to call up my bank like, "Can you double our limit to 1,000?" This is how like green we were back then. And we did it, and I bought the course, and I remember I got the course and there was like 15 CDs, all these interviews. And so, I started listening to the CDs, and what was crazy, as Mark was talking, he kept talking over and over and over again, about two concepts. The first one was the power of your own list. He kept talking about, "You have to have your own email list, and this is how it works, and if you have an email list of 10,000 people, you send an email out to your offer, you can sell a whole bunch of your things." And I started realize, I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. This is literally what's been happening to me. I'm on all these people's email lists. They have a big email list and send an email, and if I buy a $1,000 course, they must have made 500 bucks." And I started putting the pieces together. It's like, "Oh, my gosh. This is how it works." And some of you guys... I'm not going to tell the whole story, but some of you guys have heard my story. After listening to two or three of these CDs I was like, "I need an email list." And I went down that whole journey where I got called a spammer and... Anyway, so that's... Insert that story there. I'm not going to tell that story because it's outside the context of this event. But I started trying to send email and it didn't work. And I was just like, "This thing Mark is teaching me, I need to have an email list, but everyone's got one, except for me. I don't have a list. It's not fair." And I kept listening to Mark's course, and as he got deeper and deeper in the course, he started talking about this thing called joint ventures. And he was like, "Every time you start a new company or launch a new product, the first thing we do before you buy ads or anything is we go and we have these different partners who all already have email lists." He's like, "Go with people who already have email lists, and then some of them will promote and send traffic to my thing, and that's how you make money." And I was like... I was just seeing... You know there's those curtain in front of your face, and the curtain's lifted? I saw the Wizard of Oz. I'm like, "This is how it works. You have to have an email list. If you don't have an email list, you find other people with email lists, and they promote your offer, and then the people buy your product, and then you have an email list." And I was like... It all started making sense in my head. I was like, "Okay." And then I did what I'm sure all of you guys did, especially if you've read Traffic Secrets book... And I didn't know what this was called at the time. I didn't have words for it, but it was basically my first Dream 100. I was like, "Okay. Who's got an email list?" Like, "Mark said people have email lists. We need to find people with email lists," and so that was kind of the next question. And so, I started making my first Dream 100 list. And it was funny because I had this farewell package I bought from Mark Joyner and he had all the people he interviewed. So I said, "Well, this is my Dream 100, all the people Mark interviewed." And so, I don't remember most of the names. I do remember Joe Vitale though. He was one of the names. And some of you guys know Joe Vitale. If you go to mrfire.com, he's written like 400 books. He's awesome. I wrote Joe Vitale down. I started writing other people's names down. And so, I remember I'm building this Dream 100 list and I was like, "Okay, this is easy. I'm just going to email them all, and then they're going to promote my thing, and I'm going to be rich. This seems really awesome." Right? And I'm sure some of you guys have thought of that before. Hopefully, it's not just me. So, I start emailing Joe Vitale, and I can't remember all the other names. Joe's the one that stuck out in my head. I remember emailing them all and then just waiting like, "Okay, they're going to respond back to me, and then this is going to be this big thing, and I'm going to make a bunch of money." And I think I had my first or second product at the time, so it was like I had a product for them to sell and everything. Sent all the emails out and it was crickets. Not one person wrote back to me. And I was like, "Huh." I was like, "Okay, either this Mark Joyner's full of crap or I need to send another email." So, being a relentless person, I send another email to all them like, "Hey, Joe Vitale. Did you not get my email? Because I've got this new product and if you promote it, we can split the money 50/50. It's going to be awesome." Right? Like he's for sure... Like, "I'll even give you 60% commission." Maybe I'll blow his mind. Right? So, I tell him this thing, crickets. Nobody responds back to me. And I remember just being like... I was like, "This internet thing doesn't work." So, I remember being frustrated and just not knowing what to do, not believing this JV thing actually worked. Assuming that it's impossible to build an email list and I was stuck in that rut for a while. Probably, I don't know how many, four or five months of this rut of just like, "It didn't work. I tried." And have you guys done that where you try something somebody told you and then you're like, "Oh"? It reminds me of... Well, never mind. I'm not going to tell that story, but it reminds me of just so many of us do that where we're trying to follow a guru. We try the thing and it doesn't work, and we're like, "Oh, it didn't work." It's like, maybe we just didn't execute it quite correctly. So, fast forward a little while later there was this internet marketing event. It was Armand Morin. It was called the Big Seminar back then. And it was the seminar in the industry. Kind of like Funnel Hacking Live is nowadays. It was the seminar. And so, I remember saving up some money and we flew out to... And I had made a little bit of money online at this point. Not a lot. I was making, I don't know, maybe 1,000 bucks a month or something. So, I had a little bit of money just so I didn't have to yell... borrow more money from Colette's credit card to go and go to this event. So, I fly out to this event. It's in Atlanta. I go to the seminar and I remember thinking, "All the speakers on stage, I'm going to get all... That's going to be my next affiliates or my next people I'm going to be partners with." And so, we're seeing all the speakers and they seem bigger than life. They're on stage, and they're talking, and I was just like, "If any of these guys promoted my product, I'd be rich." That's the thing going through my head. Right? And so, I'm seeing them, writing all their names down. I'm like, "I'm going to become partners with them and become friends with them. I'm going to go meet them face-to-face. Maybe that's the secret. If I meet them face-to-face then it'll be easy." Unfortunately, I'm insanely introverted, and shy, and scared. So, I'm at the event, I see the person walking by. I remember seeing Stephen Pierce. He was the guy at the time. He walked past and I was just like... He walked right past me, and he walked past, and I'm like, "Ah, I blew it. Stupid, Russell. Stupid, Russell. You didn't even talk to him." And I'm sitting there in the hallway and all of a sudden Armand... Actually, I was in the bathroom and Armand walked next to me in the urinal next to me. I'm like, "Armand's right here. What do I do? Do I say something? I can't say in the bathroom. It's so awkward." And he looks over and he is like, "Hey, man. How's it going?" I'm like, "Good." And he is like, "All right," and then walks away and walks out of the bathroom. I'm like, "Ah, I blew it again. I blew it again." You know? And I'm too scared to talk to any of the speakers, but I'm like... For me, I'm like, "This is the key. This is the key to my freedom is these speakers," and I didn't dare do it. I wimped out every single person. I didn't talk to a single one of them. And then at nights, all the attendees would go to the bar. Now, I'm not a drinker. I've never drank in my life. Most people don't believe me, but I've literally never drank in my entire life. So, I'd go to these bars and I was like, "I don't want people to think I'm drinking," because like I have a thing like that where I want to avoid the appearance of evil at all costs. Right? So, I remember I'd go to the bar and I was like, "Ah, how do I..." And literally, the bartender was like, "You want something to drink?" I was like, "Can you give me milk?" He was like, "Seriously?" I'm like, "I don't know. Can you?" I was like "Because if it's going to be a Sprite, people going to think it's some fizzy drink." I don't know. I don't even know what drinks are. Like, "It's going to be fizzy something." So, I'm like, "If you give me milk they're going to know that it's not alcohol." Right? So, he's like, "All right." So, the guy gives me a milk. I'm holding this milk at the bar walking around and everyone's like... All these people start coming to me, which is really cool, and they're like, "Are you drinking milk?" I was like, "Yeah." They're like, "Why are drinking milk?" I'm like, "Oh, well, I'm Mormon, so I don't drink." They all kind of laugh at me, but it opened dialogue when they came to me. And this is... Okay, side note. Interesting for the introvert. Who are the introverts in the room? If you're introvert, I learned something really cool. Nicholas Bailey actually told me this. He dresses weird because he's introverted and he's too scared to go talk to people. He's like, "If I do something weird," he's like, "people come to me and like, 'Oh, nice shirt. Nice glasses. Nice,'" blah, blah, blah, blah. And so, that's what happens. I had this weird thing, and then people came to me. They're like, "Why are you drinking milk in a bar?" And then it started a conversation, and then when I'm in a conversation I can do it. It's the walking up to. Like, "How am I going to go and..." You know what I mean? So scary for me. And so, people started talking to me. We started becoming friends and get to know people, and I'm talking in this group, and it was interesting because everyone I was talking to, they all had businesses just like me, but they weren't the guy on stage with a list of 100,000 people and all this kind of stuff They were here and they had a list of like 500 people. Or I got a list of 1,200 people. They were all kind of at this level. About the same level I was at. I was like, "Oh, my gosh," and we started talking, getting to know each other. And back then it was before Skype or before... It was pre-Skype. It was pre... What do we use nowadays? Slack or Instant Messenger. Whatever. We used to use Yahoo Messenger, or IRQ, or AOL, and so it always like, "What messenger are you on? Here's my AOL chat," or, "Here's my IRQ." Or ICQ Sorry. ICQ. Or, "Here's my..." And so, they give them to you, and so that was how we get to know people. So, I put it out, write it down, and then I remember the people. I remember Mike Phillip's name was on Yahoo Messenger. His name was signanddrive.com. And I remember Brad Callen. I remember Brad Fallon. And so, I started meeting all these people at the bar while I'm drinking my milk, and getting to know them, and I'm writing down all their little handles. And then we get home and away from the event, and so I start putting those things in and I start messaging them. I feel way more comfortable talking through text, through Yahoo Messenger. I was like, "Hey, great meeting you at the event," blah, blah, blah. "This is a picture of me so you remember who I was." Right? And the person would write back, "Oh, yeah. It was really cool. You were the guy with the milk, right?" I'm like, "Yeah." And we'd start this dialogue. And then I was like, "Okay..." Not even thinking that these guys would be big partners someday, but I kind of started getting to know these people. And we were all kind of the same level. And this is the key. Okay? I'm trying to tell stories with hopefully principles you guys can pick from it. So, all these people were at the same level. And I remember because at the same time I was messaging Joe, Vitale, and messaging all the speakers in the event, and none of them are responding to me. It's just like crickets. No one's responding back. I'm talking to these guys. And I remember I was creating an offer and these guys had become my friends. And I was like, "Hey, can you check this out? Do you think this is good? Is the offer good?" And they started messaging back, and all of a sudden they started becoming involved in my business, right? They had a vested interest because they were kind of like, "Oh, I would do this," or, "I'd try this over here. And all of a sudden they started sharing ideas back and forth and it was really cool. And then they would share with me what they were doing back and forth, and it was really, really cool. And I had vested interest in their projects because I was like, "Oh, you should try this, or, "Oh, I did this. You should try this." We built this little group of people. And I don't even know. It was probably four, five, six people maybe that we kind of did this thing. And I remember because about this time is when my very first software product ever came out, and I don't talk much about this product. It was a product called ZIP Brander, and I was so proud of it. And I remember I sent it to Mike Filsaime. I was like, "Hey, here's my first software. Check it out." He was like, "Dude, that's so cool. Do you want me to promote it to my list?" And I was like, "Wait, he just asked me." Like never it happened. I was just like, "I've been asking all these people at this level up here, all the people I'm looking up to, the gurus, the big famous people. No one, crickets, and all of a sudden my friend's, like, 'I'll promote it to my list.'" And I was like, "Dude, you serious?" He's like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Okay." And so I give him the link. He sends an email to his list, and I can't remember. I paid him like 50, 60, 70. I don't know. I was like, "You can have all the money. I just want... I need a list. I know the goal. The goal to get a list. I'll give you 100% commission." Right? And so, he promoted and I think he sold... I don't know, he sold five or six copies of my thing, but then I got the money, and then I gave most of it to him. But then what happened is I got five or six customers, but a bunch of people... I had a pop-up on the site. A bunch of people filled out the pop-up, and I got like 300 or 400 people on my email list. And I was like, "This is awesome." And then I knew Mike had a product, and I was like, "Hey, man." I was like, "Dude, I love..." He had a product called Carbon Copy Marketing back then or something. It was a two-disc DVD set. And this is before DVD, so he literally would go and he would print a DVD and ship it out to you from his house. This is how... 20 years ago. Remember, this is before things like that. And so, he said, "Yeah." So, I emailed my list of like 300 people from him the 400 or 500 people I built, so maybe a thousand from my list. I sent the email and I sold like five or six of his DVDs. And he is like, "Thanks, man." And we did our first little cross-promotion, and me and Mike became friends. And then Mike told me. Then Mike's like, "Dude, you know who you should do? I met this guy named Gary Ambrose. You should meet Gary because Gary has got a list too, and he promoted the same DVDs you just promoted and it was awesome. You should get to know him." So, he introduced me to Gary. Me and Gary met up, and I was like, "Oh." And Gary and I started sharing ideas, and then eventually he promoted my things, I promoted his, and then Gary's like, "Oh, dude, you should meet so and so." And I was like, "Oh, you should meet..." And all of a sudden we started this little four or five people start introducing more and more people, and soon I've got 20 or 30 friends all on Yahoo Messenger and AOL that we're talking back and forth and getting to know each other. Right? And what's interesting is that we all kind of helped promoting each other. Our list went from 400 or 500 people to 1,000 to 1,500, to 1,000 to 2,500, and they kept growing and growing. And I was looking at this little group of people all working together. It was like a groundswell where our businesses all started gradually rising together. What do they say? A rising tide raises all ships, right? That's what started happening. And we started getting bigger and bigger. I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. This is so cool." And then we started doing more things and this is, man, a two or three-year period of time while I was in college, we were going back and doing these things. And it was just... It was really, really cool. Right? And I remember one day Mike had this idea, Mike Filsaime had this idea for a product called Butterfly Marketing. Some of you guys may have heard of it, but it was the first time he had the idea. And he's like, "Hey, man, check out the sales letter." He had this huge sales letter. And on the sales letter, he had these testimonials from all the people. All the people you'd want, right? I was like, "How'd you get all those guys' testimonials?" He's like, "Oh, I didn't. I just put their pictures in just as the placeholders as a dream of someday I'm wanting to get these people's testimonials." I was like, "Oh, that'd be so cool to get to know them." And then he's like, "Well, I met so and so. I know so and so who does know that person," and all of a sudden this network started happening, right? Anyway, Mike went and started messaging and eventually got to the person, one of the people, and they gave him a thing, and all of a sudden he got a bigger promotion from a bigger person. And what happened is, is we started doing this. Again, the people I looked up to were way up here and they wouldn't respond to me and things like that. And this group down here became friends. We all started growing together, and eventually what started happening is as we got bigger and bigger and bigger, we got closer to these people. I remember probably, man, two years, maybe three years into this business I had an idea. And I was creating this whole project. It was a membership site. It was called The Lost Files, and it was based on old public domain books, which I could talk about for six years. But it's this geeky, nerdy thing that you can make money with. And so I got excited, I'm creating this thing, and I was like, "Joe Vitale, he's written like 500 books." I'm like, "Oh, Joe would be my dream person." I know Joe had talked about public domain in the past. Joe had actually published a couple books from the public domain. And I was like, "He'd be my dream partner." But I was like, "He's ignored like 40 emails from me. There's no way he's going to respond to me now." Right? But I was like, "Oh, I got to do something." So, I remember I messaged him again this time and I was like, "Hey, Joe. Sorry to bug you. I have this new site." I explained what my site, thelostfiles.com. Like, "This is what is, how it works," and everything. And then the next day I get email back from Joe, and I was too scared to even open it. I'm like, "This is crazy." And Joe messaged me back. He's like, "Hey, Russell, so good to meet you." He's like, "I've been seeing your name everywhere. All these different people keep promoting your stuff. They keep popping up in my inbox. The Lost Files sounds awesome." The way he made the connection, he didn't... I don't think he... He didn't connect that it was me who was annoying him for like 40 emails prior. He just didn't connect it. Or maybe he just ignored it, or he forgave me, or whatever, but he message back and said, "Yes." And I was like, "Joe Vitale said yes." And I was freaking out. And so he goes and he does this... We had this promotion where we had a teleseminar together. He promoted his list. And then at the teleseminar he promoted The Lost Files, and we signed up like 300 members off his list at like 40 bucks a month, which for a college kid, is insane. And it was this one deal, and then Joe was like, "Oh, by the way, have you ever met so and so, and so and so?" and starts opening these doors again. Now, because I've gotten closer and closer, I got one person in and all of sudden it opened up this whole network of people. And that was my journey for the first three or four years. And so I wanted to kind of lead with that because again, I think so many of you guys are like me where you see the people. I meet people all the time. "Russell, you say to build a Dream 100 list, I've got to dream one, and it's just you." And I'm like, "Not a good strategy." I literally said Dream 100 for a very important reason because it shouldn't be me. I do maybe one promotion a year and usually, it's for Tony Robbins. And so, for me to say yes, it's going to be like... We got to date for a decade before it's going to happen, so if you're banking on that it's going to be a long, long time for something to happen, right? I was like, "Instead, go and do things with people at your own tier, your own level where they're looking for things, and looking for cross-promotions, and things will start happening. And then what happened is you start rising to the top, and all of a sudden people like me are going to start seeing you. You show up my news feed. I start seeing emails." All of a sudden it's like now there's this relationship, right? It's funny. There's... This is a funny story. So, one of my buddies, I met him probably... It's probably been 12 years ago now. Some of you guys know him. He's Chad Wallner. He's a chiropractor. I talk about him in the Dot Com Secrets book. But he moved into our area, and so we go to church. We were going to the same church, and so he shows up and he sees me. And he was seeing me online. He knew I was and stuff. He came to me and he's like, "Russell." He's like, "Dude, this is so... I can't believe you're in my ward. I've seen you before," blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And he's like, "We actually have a mutual friend together." And I was like, "We do?" He's like, "Yeah." So, he's trying to build a connection so we can connect and stuff. And it was interesting because he said, "We got this mutual friend." And then he told me the name. He's like, "Here's the guy's name." And I was like, "Don't know who he is." He was like, "Oh, weird." He's like, "He talks about you all the time as if you guys were best friends." I was like, "I don't know who that is. I'm so sorry." And years later, Chad and I had this discussion about this and it was funny because he was like, "Man, I..." The realization is it's not who you know, it's who knows you. Right? I knew who Joe Vitale was. I knew who these people... I knew Tony Robbins. So, I wanted them, but it's not that I know them. I need them to know me. Right? So, it's how do you get them to know you? Well, it's by doing cool stuff in the market that they're playing in. Showing up. Will they see you in news feeds, see you in emails, see you in stuff? Where all of a sudden they keep seeing these things and then they see you. They got to know who you are. Right? When you approach them like, "Hey, my name is so and so," if they don't know who you are, it's going to be really hard to build a relationship. If they're like, "Hey, this is so and so," it's easy. For example, I was trying to do a negotiation with someone the other day. I wish I could tell you all the details. I can't though. Anyway, really big company. You'd be aware of who they are. And so, I tried to get a meeting with the founder of it, and we get on a Zoom call like this, and the very first thing he says, he's like, "Man, Russell," he's like, "I see you like 12 times a day. You are everywhere in my news feed. I get emails from you. You must be the best internet marketer on the planet." And I was like, "This is going to be the easiest negotiation in my entire life because he knows exactly who I am." Right? As opposed to me coming to him and trying to explain who I was. Right? And so it's like, as you're doing stuff actively in the marketplace, people will start seeing that and become aware of you. Right? And that's how you start rising to the top. I get people all the time that message me like, "Hey, can I speak at Funnel Hacking Live?" I'm like, "I don't know who you are." Like, "I'm the best speaker. Here's my speaker," blah, blah, blah. I'm like, "I don't know who you are." Right? But check this out. McCall Jones, who I think is on here, or she was on here earlier, right? McCall, she showed up on Funnel Hacking Live. Then she does this thing, and then she starts publishing, and she starts doing everything, and I start seeing her everywhere. I see her energy and her excitement. I see how she's developing things. She's like using things she learned from me, but developing her own things, which was really cool. Because I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. She's a good student and she's doing things." And this whole thing starts happening, and I see her in my feed. I see her all the time. And my friends start talking about her, and then Monica, who's on this as well. Monica messaged me. There's McCall right there. Yeah. What's up? And Monica messaged me, "You know McCall? You got to..." And so, her friends are calling me and telling me to listen and stuff. And soon, I'm watching everything she's doing. And I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, I'm impressed." I start podcasts. How many... Once or twice I talked about you on the podcast before we even met officially. I'm like, "This girl McCall keeps showing up. She's doing these cool things." And on Funnel Hacking Live, I'm like, "Who should speak on Funnel Hacking Live?" I'm like, "There's this girl who's never spoken on stage before. Right? She's never... Doesn't like, 'Here's my speaker reel. I've got a perfect presentation.'" But I'm seeing that. I was like, "She'd be like the perfect person to come on stage and, and speak." And so anyway... Hey, McCall. What's up? McCall Jones: Thank you. Wow, that's so nice. I'm just hyping you up, over here reacting to all of your stuff, so hey. Funnel Hacking Live. Woo hoo! Russell: All right. But conceptually, you guys, it make sense. If you want to get into, they call it the good old boys club. Like, "How do I get in the good old boys club?" 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See if your question got answered live! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up everyone. This is Russell. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. I'm back with Josh today. And do I tell them what today's episode is, this is a really fun one? Josh Forti: Yeah. Today guys, we're doing rapid fire. We went to the community. We asked a bunch of different questions and by the way, we have like so many more to go over. So like, hey, just keep coming in, which is awesome. But it's a rapid fire Q and A with Russell to kind of bring out a side of Russell that maybe, maybe we don't get to see as much by asking just a bunch of rapid fire questions. Russell: There's some cool questions there. I think you guys going to enjoy. I think there's something for everybody. So listen, take notes. And next time we ask you for some questions, make sure you submit them maybe you'll get answered live. Josh: And called out. We called out some people. Russell: It's true. Maybe you got called out. You should pay attention. Anyway, thanks Josh. This was a fun episode, with that said, let’s queue up the theme song and we'll get right back with some Q and As. Josh: All right. So this one I want to do a little bit different, kind of phase three here as we go through this is I went and ask community bunch of different questions and there's so many different ones. I've got screenshots on screenshots on screenshots of, on Facebook, on Instagram and kind of things like that. And so I thought it would be cool to go through and do a rapid fire style where we hit you with a bunch of different questions. And there's a lot of similarities, like underlying actual questions at what it is. But a lot of it is people they want to understand your thought process. They want to understand how you run certain things or how you do certain things or whatever. And so what I thought would be cool is I have enough questions to where we could literally do one a minute for the next couple hours. So take as much time as you want or need to go through this. But I think if we just went through and did like a rapid fire of like, all right, start here and then go through and do this, I think that'd be super beneficial. And I think it'd be a unique creative thing that we could try and see how people like it, sound good? Russell: That'd be fun. Let's do it. Josh: All right. So the first question is, and I think this kind of... It's interesting, I think this ties into both of our previous topics that we covered and talked about, whether it be podcasting and finding your voice there or funnels and figuring that all out is like... The question got asked probably three or four different times, some variation of like, what do you do when you don't know what you want to do yet, like when you haven't found that voice? And you're like, because I think... For me, it's interesting. I actually found my voice before I found my product, right? And I think a lot of people figure out what they are going to sell before they find their voice. And so for me it was a little bit easier because I had all these followers before I was ever selling anything and I was super broke and then I found dotcom secrets and it was like, "Oh my gosh, this is amazing." I literally went from making like $25,000 a year to like $250,000 a year and like one year. It was amazing because I just added it too. But a lot of people, they really struggle with like, "Okay, cool, I get all these things conceptually. I know I need a funnel and I know I need a value ad. I know I need a community and a following and raving fans. And I get all the things, but I don't know mine yet. I don't know the thing. And so when you're doing that, like what's the thing that you do or what advice would you give people to fix that problem of, or what things should they be focused on when they haven't found their voice yet? Russell: I'd say there's two directions on this, and both of them are correct. It's just depends on who you are. Number one, if you are a visionary, if you do the DISC profile, and you're a high I, you want to be the person that's there; the biggest key is not to wait. If I would've waited four click funnels and funnels, I never would've got here. I just started creating stuff that was bad like potato guns, zip brander, or forum fortunes. All these things that didn't work or I made very little money. No one's ever heard of, but I did 150 funnels before I was ever like, "I'm the funnel guy. I'm going to fun... I go on teach..." I started getting into funnels and then we built funnel software, but it was man 14 years and 150 funnels before I figure that out. But if I wouldn't have been in motion, I never would've found that. So if you are a creator and you know that's your calling, just start moving forward and find out what you're passionate about. If I was starting today, I would be into bio hacking, I'd be into nutrition. I'd be into those are the things I'm really geeking out about now in my life. So I'd be running that direction. I don't know what the opportunity's going to be, but I'm going to do something or I'm going to nothing… And then eventually I feel like God, as we start moving in a direction, like conscious I'm moving this direction, trying to figure this out; He will give us little ideas. He'll give us impressions and ideas. And He's trying to see like, "If I give Russell's idea, is he going to be good steward to this idea or not? And if I take it and I implement it, He's like, oh, he's a good steward of little thing, let me give him some more. Let me give him some more." And then 14 years later, He is like, "Okay, now I know he's worthy of this. Let me give him the big idea." But He's checking it. And if you get the idea, you're like, "Oh, I'm scared. I get fearful, whatever." And you don't do it, He's not going to give you the next one. He's like, "Oh, he's not a good steward of ideas." And He gives idea to somebody else. It's why, how many times you are like, "I had an idea for that, but so, and so did this." Because you weren’t a good steward of the idea when it showed up. So that's the one thing it's like moving forward. The second thing is that some of you guys, you're not the visionary person and that's okay. There's 450 people who work at ClickFunnels who aren't the visionary person. And if it wasn't for all of them, I'd be screwed. There are people that are my number twos that are my psychics that are helping me support it and they can buy into my vision. In fact, I remember Leon who designs all my slides for me. He's one of the most amazing people in the world. And he was out here in Boise one day and he's a quiet guy, just more reserved and he's got to leave for the airport. And he pulled me aside, he said, "I want to talk to you real quick." And I was like, "Yeah, what's going on?" And he said, he's like, "I've decided that my mission in life is to help you to get your word out to the world." I got chills and I was like, "Oh my gosh. Thank you." It was such a cool thing. And I was like... And I got it. He's got this skillset. He's not going to be on stage doing the things and doing podcasts and stuff, man, without him, I couldn't do what I'm doing. So being a supporting role is huge. So find a vision you do believe in. If you're like... I think Dave Asprey in the bio... and the bulletproof movement is the thing, go get a job from them, go work for them, go work for free, whatever. It's like, go figure out how you can be close to that person and help bolster. It's like, I'm hoping that everyone believes in something. Figure out something you believe in, you're passionate about and go be a supporter of that. Your vision is not to be something you created. It's just something you're supporting and you're helping to move forward. And so that'd be my two advice, depending on which side you fall on. If you're not sure, just start running. Josh: Love it. Russell: See what happens. Josh: Love it. That's awesome. And I think that's really, really cool. My current assistant, I've cycled through a couple of assistants now and I finally have one and she's amazing. And she's just like, "I came into your company thinking that this is what you needed." And I was like, "Yeah, because that's what I told you I needed. But I had no idea what I needed." And she's like, "What you actually needed is this." And I'm like- Russell: "I need you to tell me what I need." Josh: ... right. I was like, "Are you going to leave me now?" She's like, "No, I believe in you. And I believe in your vision. I know what you're trying to accomplish. You didn't realize this is what you needed but I believe in you." And I'm like, "Huh, that is a relief." If you can find that person, that's lucky. Next thing kind of goes along with this another rapid fire one is, as you're going through and you are figuring out all these different things and testing through your things, how do you make it to where you're not confusing your audience and to where they don't feel you're just a mess, that's everything is everywhere? You're trying all these different things. You're throwing things at the wall. Is that just something that people are just going to leave and just be upset just because, or is that like, is there ways to minimize that and communicate to your community that you don't know what you're doing, but that this is the vision. This is what we're going. I'm just trying a bunch of different things. Is there a way to do that well? Russell: Yeah. I think a couple things, number one is understanding that until you really dial that in, it's going to be hard to get a huge following anyway. Like the other day I was searching my name with someone else's name that I did a deal with 20 years ago and it pulled up the Google results and there was like, "Oh, I was so embarrassed." Anyway, it was bad. But guess what? Those people are all gone now. They left. They're are not even aware what happened. They don't know who I am. Most people are like, "Russell I've been following you since the beginning. Ever since you guys launched Funnel Hacking Live." I was like, "Oh, I was in business 15 years before the first Funnel Hacking Live." "I followed you all the way back from Micro Continuity." I was like, "That was a long time ago, I was in business nine years before Micro Continuity." Most people... Just understanding the people are going to be... When you figure out the thing, it's going to be a whole new group of people. And so it's not stressing too much about that, but at the same time, it's like, it's helping people understand like, I'm experimenting. I call it marketing experiments or like I used to call mine dotcom secrets labs before I wrote the book and anything it's like, I'm practicing these principles. So I would like study SEO and talk about like, "Oh." And I'd sell SEO courses for other people because I’m learning from this person to understand SEO. I'm over here and I'm in a laboratory testing these things out. This is what I'm actually doing. And there's a lot of value in that because you're becoming in proxy the person and sometimes you can cut through stuff that's working and not working, you can get direct access to people that they can. So just helping them understand like, my end goal is I want to be... Again, if I was going to bio hacking world right now, my end goal is I want to be healthier. So for example, this is my live mushroom GTS root beer. It's literally my favorite thing. I get twice a day. It's from Whole Foods. It's got Reishi, Chaga, and Turkey Tail. The actual fruiting bodies of the mushrooms in here blended into this root beer. It tastes like root beer my grandma used to make, I love it. I'm obsessed with it. So I could be like, "This thing's amazing. I'm excited about it. And this is why, and this is why I did the study and this is why I'm doing it." I could probably sell a crap ton of these right now. And then I could find out something else like Anthony DiClementi, he's got this thing. And I'm like, "I can be excited. I'm testing it. I bought his newsletter. I bought his membership site." And so it's just like you as the, I'm like a reporter, who's testing these things out in the beginning until you figure out what your thing is and you can really dial it. Maybe I become the mushroom dude who sells mushroom root beer. I don't know, but anyway. Josh: Please stick with funnels. We need you in that lane more. Is it good? All right. Cool. Next question we got here is, do you ever struggle with scarcity and being in scarcity mode even after you've made... Had all the success and as much money as you you've made, do you still struggle with being in scarcity mode or have you evolved past that? Russell: I don't struggle with scarcity. I have a lot of my own issues for sure. And it's funny because every time someone launches the next click funnels killer, it annoys me. But then I'm like, "You know what? First off they're not going to... I'm willing to outwork all of them and so I'm not worried that way." Number two, competition drives me, which is really, really good. And number three, actually, Annie Grace messaged me this a little while ago. She was talking about her business and all these people who were competing and she felt they were leading her people astray. And I was like, "I get that." And I said, "The thing that's most comforting to me is actually a Bible scripture where Jesus Christ said, my sheep will hear my voice and they'll follow me." That's not direct translation, but basically that's just like, my sheep will hear my voice. And I believe that's something that was true for him. But I think it's true for all of us. It's a universal principle. And so what I understand is like, I'm going to go out there. I'm going to be Russell. The best Russell I can be. And a lot of people are not going to follow me. They're going to understand that person better or whatever. Like some other product better, but my sheep are going to hear my voice and they're going to follow me. I'm going to attract the right people and they're going to come to Funnel Hacking Live, and they're going to use my platform. They're going to be exciting. And those are the people I've been called to serve. I am not called to serve the people who are going to go and go somewhere else. Or they don't resonate my message or with me or whatever. And I got to be okay with that because my sheep will hear my voice. And that's my belief that helps me to not be scared of scarcity, because I don't want those people anyway. I want my sheep to follow me and I'm going to help them. I'm going to serve them. Because that's what I've been called to serve. Josh: That's awesome. That's super cool. All right, next one here is actually from Parker Woodward, shout out Parker. Russell: Yeah, Parker. Josh: He says, "How do you know what positions to put members of your team in so they personally thrive?" Russell: Man, I cannot tell you, just you know Parker, this is a constant thing. So if you read the book Good To Great, one thing he talks about is like finding the right people and then putting them on the right seats on the bus. And those are two different activities. And sometimes you nail it. You're like, "Got the right person. They're on the right seat on the bus. And it's awesome." So many times in my company, I find someone who's amazing and we put them in a thing and it's like, "Oh, they don't fit there." And you move around four or five times like, "This person sucks at their job. They're horrible." And it's not actually true. It's horrible. The problem is you have the right person in the wrong seat on the bus. You get them the right seat and then they thrive. And so it's understanding that and really defining it of like, "What are the seats initially?" Because I think that's... You had this with your system. I don't really know what the seat is. I just know I need help. And I'm drowning, what that is, right? Josh: Yeah. Russell: You or someone around you understands like, this is where I'm hurting, this is what I'm struggling and they can define the seat, then it’s easy to find the right person, or you find somebody like knows the right person. And then having them like working with them, being okay like, "We may have to try a couple seats so we figure out, I know you're the right cultural fit. I know you're the right person, the right work ethic." But I don't know what the skillset is yet. Maybe they don't know yet either. And as soon as you're able to figure out what their unique ability is, then you put in the right spot and then they can thrive. And so it's a two step process. Josh: Interesting. All right. This one's from Braden. He says, "What are the biggest beliefs fundamentally that you had to shift early on in your life or career that you believe are required to get to $100 million and beyond?" Russell: It's funny you think it's like belief that some marketing principles. So I found out every tier, so me to get to a million dollars, I was trying to get a million dollars in the calendar year. It took me three years in row. I missed it by like 20 grand, three years in a row, I couldn't do it. And it was totally like a mental block. I didn't believe that I could do it for some reason. And after I did the first time it was like, "Oh." Then it was easy. And then 10 million was my next mental block. I missed it first year, second year we got, and then... So it's there's these mental blocks where I don't know if it's we don't believe in ourselves. We don't believe in, that we're worth. I don't know if it's, we don't believe worthy of it or we have the abilities of it, whatever. But the first thing is you got to believe in yourself. And that just comes with a lot of you doing things. Again, it comes back... We talked about earlier, like God gives you an idea. You're going to be a good steward of this idea. And the more often you take an idea and you run with it. Even if you fail, the more times you do that, the more you start trusting yourself. And that's a big part of it. Right now I can walk into a room where there's like, things are on fire and there's pure chaos, I have no idea what I'm going to go into it. I walk in knowing that the right idea's going to show up and I need it because I've done it so many times over and over and over and over and over again. I just know that it's going to happen. And I have belief in myself. That's the first thing. I honestly believe that the second thing, this comes back to the spiritual side of things, is that there's a purpose behind it. I struggled growing ClickFunnels because I thought that it was for Russell and Todd and our friends to make money. I thought that's what the business was, for probably the first three or four years. And it wasn't until I hired this coach who helped me see the connection between things. And she's just... Because I was always like, there's business and there's spiritual things. And God doesn't care right with my business because whatever. And she helped me bridge the gap. Like, "Do you see what's actually happening because this business..." She see people's lives are changed. All these kind of things. And she was the first person who said, "This is literally a calling that God gave you to do this." And as soon as I heard that and I felt it and I believed it, it changed everything for me. I was like, "This isn't just something Russell does as a hobby on the side to keep me busy till I die, this is what I was made for." I was made to do this, to inspire entrepreneurs, to change the world because each entrepreneur can do that. And when I heard that and I believed it, then it changed everything. It gave me permission like, "Okay, well then it's all my donkey Kong. I'm going to publish. I'm going to create, I'm going to write books. I'm going to do software. I'm going to do things." Because it wasn't just like money for money's sake. It was because this is the mission. This is the calling. I need to do it. And so it changed everything for me. So I think for you guys, that'd be the next thing is like, you got to be connected. Is this actually what God wants me doing? And if you believe that, you believe it's not just some side hobby, man it gives you the feel you need to grow row because now it's bigger than just you making money. Making money is so uninspiring. Changing the world because you were called to, at least, for me changed everything. Josh: That's super, super interesting. And so obviously, I've worked with Katie Richardson and tremendous mindset shifting things in there. And one of the things that I've learned just about mindset, what you said there is your brain, by default just runs. And so it will run with whatever program... Like 90% of your life is basically autopilot. You don't even realize that you're making the decision that you're making. So it's like, whatever program is there, that's how your life operates. And how you change that is not by changing this or all these different things, it's by literally reprogramming is changing belief. And so if you could actually just shift the belief, that's actually shifting the program. And so I think, for me, when I first got started in entrepreneurship, it was how do I hustle my way to success? It was freaking. I was at Gary Vaynerchuk working 18 hours a day. Let's go. And so I was like, "That's what I'm going to do." And it was like, Katie came in and was like, "Cool. That's the belief that you have and it's only going to get you so far." And then once you can replace that belief, that it's like, "Oh, you don't have to do that anymore, this is the way to do it." It was a real identity crisis. It was like, "But wait, no, I'm a hustler. I'm up to 4:00 in the morning, every single morning. You can't take that away from me." But then once the belief shifted, then it was like, "Oh, everything else in life shifted." It was like, "Okay, cool. Now I operate this way." And so that's super, super interesting that you say that because I feel like- Russell: If you look at like what I believe my only role is inside of ClickFunnels literally is for me to stand on stage, to write books, do podcasts, everything so I can get our customers to believe this will work for them. That's it. I know it works for them. But if I get them the tool and they don't believe this is going to work for them, it will not work for them. I get them to believe this works. I'm the head belief, cheerleader. That's all I'm actually doing is trying to take my... Whoever has the most certainty, any circumstance, any situation always wins. So when I come into something, I've got to come with more certainty than them and I've got to prove them I believe it can work and it can work for them. And if I can get them to believe it, then it'll happen. But that's the hardest thing is just the mental thing inside people's head. As soon as they believe it, you see it, because it's like, "Oh, they're struggling, struggling." And all of a sudden something happens, and I believe it'll work for them and holy cow, next thing they know they're Two Comma Club. It's weird. Because it makes sense. You're like, "No, it's just a process." Like, "No, it's a process, but your belief is your fuel and how you attack this thing one way or the other, 100% depends on if you believe is going to work." If I believe that if I write a book, a million people are going to buy it, I can go write a book. If I'm like, "I don't think anyone's going to buy it. What if they don't like it? What if..." I'll spend 25 years writing this book, it's never going to get done. The belief is everything. Josh: ... yeah. Garrett White talks about that with Warrior Way. He's like, "We tell people this isn't the only way, this is A way." And I was talking with my students the other day, I was like, "Hey guys, how many different ways are there to grow your business?" And they're like, "I don't know, thousands of them." I'm like, "Sweet, what's the way you grow their business?" And they're like, "Funnels." Like without even thinking about it. And it was like, "See what Russell did there." He convinced me… Russell: And that took me seven years of preaching consistently to get the market and get people to believe that. But it wasn't that… yeah. It's interesting. Josh: All right. The next question here, and this comes up... I mean this probably came up probably more than anything outside of funnels was how do you manage the relationship with your family and the balance between work and family? Because this is something I think a lot of people struggle with. I didn't even realize that this was a thing until I got married and then I got married and I was like, "Oh, I'm experiencing a little bit of this." And I'm like, I can't imagine like then kids and then being around. So how do you balance your work and your family and overwhelm and burn out and like... I mean there's limited amounts and it seems you can do everything Russell, like cause you’re everything over there. So how do you balance that with your family and the work life balance of that? Russell: That's a great question. I get asked that a lot, which is interesting. I think a lot of people... Well I think the big problem is most people who are doing what I do, they have... The area of life they’re the entrepreneur, they're killing it, and then the rest of their life's a wreck. Or they just don't talk about the rest of life. No one knows. And so anyway, a couple things is number one, Charfen had us do like a time study before. You ever heard of that before? Josh: Yeah. They were the worst. I hate them so much. Russell: So annoying. Yeah I did it for like three minutes, I was like, "I want to die." But you basically sit down and you start every 15 minutes, you're like, write down what you're doing during the day and really quick you realize, "Oh I'm only actually working two hours a day." And I think the average employee, I think is in two hours and eight hour days is actual productive work, the rest is… Josh: Yeah, something like that. It's super low. Russell: So the first thing is just by default, this is comes from me being a wrestler, right? As a wrestler, we have two hour practice. We got the limited time and I wanted to be the best. So I had to cram as much actual stuff in those small windows as humanly possible. And you know when you're an entrepreneur, you're going on a trip and it's like, "My plane leaves at 2:00, but I got an hour and a half to work." In the hour and a half, you'll get more done than an entire day typically. And so I trick my mind that all the time. So if you look at like a typical eight hour day, like I'm coming in from usually from 9:30, till 5:00, it's like my window that I'm here at the office. When I'm here, I'm super present. But what I do in that window of time is what most people do in a week. Because I don't... People always ask me, "Hey Russell, can I take you to lunch?" I'm like, "You have the luxury of lunch. I've not eaten lunch in, I don't know, decade and a half, I'm working. I quit Uber eats. I keep working. It shows up, I'm eating it. And I keep going." I don't waste time for that crap. I'm in the zone and I'm working and I'm not doodling and texting in a million different things. When I'm doing something, I'm doing the thing. I was up this morning from 5:30, till 7:00, I was writing copy for the new offer. And like, that's what I did by myself. Cranked it out. Seven o'clock, boom, I hear Nora talking, hear the kids getting up. And then I break my presence at the thing and I leave and from 7:00 to like 8:30 ish, I'm a dad. And so I take high school kids in school. I come back and I pick up Nora and I play with her a little bit. And then I get her fed and then Collette's getting her dressed and stuff and I go wake up Aiden and then me and Aiden are hanging out. We're talking about the day. And then Collette takes Ellie to school. Aiden's there. I get in the shower. I get dressed. And by nine o'clock I'm ready to go. And I jump in my car. I come here and then boom, I'm in Russell, like I'm entrepreneur mode and from 9:30 ish till 5;00 I'm here. I'm cranking. My days blocked out. I know everything I got to do during the day. I got a to-do list. I got schedule. Everything's blocked out. I knew from 9:00 to 10:30, me and you were here and I'm present. I'm not looking at 1000... We're here doing the thing, it's going to be done. And then at 10:30, I know exactly what I'm doing. As soon as we're done, I'm not sitting around for 30 minutes, like what should I do next. I know what's going to be happening and I'm going, I'm doing the thing. And so my days are like that. So boom, boom, boom, by the time I get to the end of the day, it's like, "Oh, I got a lot of done today. This is amazing." And then I go home. And when I walk through the door from my car in the garage to the door, I send... Before I walk to the door I stop. And I'm like, "Okay, I got to literally stop for a second." I'm like, I'm getting dad mode. I'm getting husband mode. And I get done and I walk through the door and I'm now a dad and husband. I'm not an entrepreneur. And I go, literally go to every one of my kids in the house. My love language is physical touch. I go give each a hug. I go give my wife a hug. And then I'm there. And from that time I'm dad till 9:00 and then from 9:00 to 11:00 I'm husband and 11 o'clock I'm in bed waiting for the next day. And so it's just, I'm really good at chunking time. And I'm not perfect. Some days I'll get depressed or I'll get tired or burned out or whatever, and I don't hit it. But for the most part, I would say I'm pretty consistent in getting a lot of stuff done in the windows that I got. Josh: That's super, super interesting. Being present and being present at work, being present at home, that balance that once again, something Katie talked about a lot is just like, be fully present with where you are and then set boundaries. Having those clear for that Russell: You ask my wife too, I'm not perfect at it, but I try to let things bleed from thing to thing. I try that when I walk through the garage door at night that I'm done with work and I'm home and then, you know what I mean? Josh: Yeah. Russell: And I think that's what most people don't do is like, it all just mushes together where they're doing everything. So everything becomes done inefficiently. I was listening to Dan Kennedy actually yesterday. He's like, "Would you hire a doctor who is going to do surgery on you, and while he's doing surgery, he's watching YouTube video and he's eating something on the side?" He's like, "No, you want presence if you're going to hire someone." Same thing, if you want to build a funnel, you need your designer and everyone who's doing this to have laser focus. You don't want them doing these other things because you need their full attention and presence. Josh: That's awesome. This one's from Paul Vanblum He says, and I'm going to paraphrase this here because... But how do you modify your behavior? Which is, like maybe you've got this thing that you... I don't know, scroll Facebook too much and you just can't seem to quit. I'm sure that's not a problem for you, but how do you go through it actually change or modify behavior? Because it sounds like a lot of your life is routine. Is that true? You figure out the process that works and then you go until it needs to change. And then it's just you pick the next process. So how do you go through and modify behavior that you want to be able to change? Russell: That's a big section of the new book that's coming out someday in the future. So this is a reality is that the shorter versions if we're running close on time is understanding that we do things that meet our needs. And so we had to figure out, how are our needs being met? Talked about this at Funnel Hacking Live a little bit with Tony Robbins, Six Human Needs, right? Like if any... I wish I could geek out on this for like two hours. Maybe this would be the first topic for next time we do this. Josh: Yeah. I was going to say maybe we do that. Russell: That'd be fun. But there's six human needs and there's four needs of the body. And anytime three of the four needs of the body are met, it creates a physical addiction inside you. So if you're scrolling Facebook all day long, it's because it's meeting a need. Like you're getting certainty from it. You're getting significance from it. And you're probably getting love and connection from it. So three of your four needs are being met... And variety, all four of your needs are being met by scrolling Facebook. So it's creating a physical addiction. So for you to break that physical addiction, it's not going to be easy unless you replace it with another physical addiction that you enjoy more. So it's like I have to replacing that. I can't just just willpower it out and got this thing out and be gone. It's like, I'm trying to get my needs met somewhere. And so they're getting met there, I'm good. So I need to get met somewhere else to replace it. It's a lot of people get their needs met by eating. And so they keep eating, eating, and they want to lose weight and they can't lose weight because all their needs are met there. And so until they replace those needs somewhere else, they're going to keep defaulting to that. Again, we can geek on that for a long time, but that's the core root of it. Is it fulfills your need until you get those needs met somewhere else you're going to keep falling back to it over and over and over again. Josh: All right. Last two, super rapid fire questions. Number one. What is the top, the number one or... I'll give you top three, because number one's impossible. Top three books outside of your own that someone must read? Outside of your own because duh obviously is DotcomSecrets, Expert Secrets, and Traffic Secrets. Thinking bio... Russell: Oh, depends on which area of your life looking at. I just bought... I spent a... not a small, a pretty big fortune buying the Napoleon Hill thing. So I'm in the middle of this Napoleon Hill like Deep Dive. Can I give you my three best Napoleon Hill books because that’s all I got right now. Josh: There you go. All right, modify the question, three best Napoleon Hill books? Russell: Everything else seems like a distraction. So for me Outwitting the Devil is the best thing he's ever written. It is insanely good and very, very practical. Think and Grow Rich, I've been revisiting and like, oh, it's so good. And then the Laws of Success is not a book. It's a book series, which I now own. Oh my gosh. I don't know if I've even told you this yet. I think I showed you a quick picture, but- Josh: You showed me a video, yeah. Russell: ... The Laws of Success was published in 1928. I have his version that he wrote in 1925 before he sent it to the editors or publishers, first edition signed that he printed at a schoolhouse here in my possession. It's insane. Josh: I can't wait to visit your library bro. Oh my gosh. It's crazy. Russell: But those are the three. I would start with Outwitting the Devil because I'll make you fall in love with Napoleon Hill, then go Think and Grow Rich. And if you love that, then go into Laws of Success' it's like a longer form version of stuff, but it's... Ah, he's my favorite right now. Josh: All right, last question for you. And we all know the answer to this, but I thought it was a great last question to end on just to make sure in business, in marketing, in success for all of success, what's the number one skillset that someone must learn? Russell: Oh, persuasion. Josh: Persuasion. Russell: It's learning how to tell a story in a way that gets people to move. Because everything else, like I can outsource all the rest of it. But like I said, we're talking about creating the offer for the Magnetic Marketing. It's the story, the persuasion, the thing that's going to get people to move. And that... Because that weaves into your funnel, weaves into your email, like weaves into how you get your team to move. How you get your community. All the stuff comes down to that skillset of learning how to persuade people. Josh: Awesome. Well, Russell, I think that wraps it up. We'll see what the audience says. But that is a fun run. Russell: That was really fun, man. I appreciate that. This has been a good day. I woke up this morning working, have a ton of energy. This has been a lot of fun energy. I appreciate you appreciate it. And if you guys like these episodes like this, let us know and we'll do it again. This was kind of a test drive to see if you enjoyed it. Josh: Yeah, you got to let us know guys. Russell: And I had a lot of fun. So hopefully you did too. Josh: Was this was super fun. Yeah, man, for sure. It was good chatting with you and everybody go buy Russell stuff and ClickFunnels and all the things because it'll make you tons and tons of money and that's it. That's just the end of it. Russell: That’s the real reason we did this… I wanted you to pitch the stuff so I didn't have to awkwardly tell people to buy it. Thank you so much. Josh: Okay. Everybody go buy stuff right now. It is amazing. That's my pitch. The first thing you're going to get is you're going to get a change of belief. The second thing you're going to get is you're going to get, I don't know what it is, a step by step process of the marketing bible. The third thing you're going to get is increase the status because Russell will like you. Boom there's my pitch. Russell: Boom. What more do you want in life? Come on now. Josh: Yeah, you can't imagine. All right, Russell. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate your time and we'll talk to you soon. Russell: Awesome. Thank you too. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is the future of funnels...? With meta-verse coming, what should we be focused on now!? Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. I'm back with my co-host Josh Forti. How you doing, man? Josh Forti: I'm doing awesome, man. How are you? Russell: Doing so good. We just recorded a new episode for you guys. This one's all about funnels and I think it went in a different direction you thought it was going to go, didn't it? Josh: Yeah, it did, a little bit. It was super good. Russell: …because the question was like, "What is the next funnel? What's the thing?" And it wasn't a funnel thing, it was something different. So, I think this is an episode you guys can enjoy. Josh: It's tough. Russell: It's been so exciting for me, I literally woke up at 5:00 AM every morning this week because I'm geeking out on the thing that you're going to learn about. And hopefully, it'll help you guys with all your funnels, no matter if you're running a webinar funnel, or a book funnel, or a challenge funnel, or whatever, doesn't really matter. This principle, you can overlay on top of all of them and it'll make them all better. So, that said, should we queue up the theme song? Josh: Let's do it. Russell: Let's go. Josh: Now we got to move into.. I want to move into funnels, dude. This is a topic that continued to come up. So kind of a back story. When we're preparing for this episode, guys like, Russell hit me up and was like, "Do you want to do a podcast together?" And I was like, "Yeah, what do you want to do it on?" He's like, "I don't know, find something." And I'm like, "oh, all right." And so- Russell: "You tell me." Josh: I do what I all always do and I go to the community and I'm like, if the community tells me... I loved Poland's presentation at Funnel Hacking Live it's like, "Ask, go ask your community. What did they tell you?" And so, that's what we did. I went to my Facebook group and I went on my Instagram and luckily, I have a pretty engaged following that will give us lots of feedback back. And this theme that kept coming up was funnels. And obviously, this is your world. But it was interesting because I've been talking with several different higher level people that are like, "How are all the funnels, they made tens of millions of dollars or whatever?" And it's like, "This funnel's not really working anymore. This funnel's kind of working here. This type of funnel is working." And so there's like, I feel like we're in this phase of funnels are almost evolving, where it used to be that you could run an ad to a webinar and sell a 9.97 product, and make a million bucks, and high profit margins, and you can make it work. But I was talking to Dan Henry the other day and he's like, "Dude, I can't even make that work anymore." And he's like, "And I'm brilliant at ads." And like Sam Ovens, I was talking to him the other day- Russell: Dan Henry, "I know everything." I love Dan. Josh: And Sam Ovens was like, "Man, we're probably going to shut down our front-end $2,000 program and we're going to transition up and evolve the way we do funnels." And so, funnels are the thing, obviously. They're going to be around forever, they've been around forever, you popularized them. But I want to go and take this into two parts and see where this goes. But number one, what is the foundation of funnels? What are the things that like... it doesn't matter how it's executed, the funnel itself, this is the thing that works. Because I think a lot of people get confused that... Whenever I talk to a lot of my students that are building funnels, they're like, "Should I do this type or this?" And I'm like, "The core essence of funnels doesn't change," so what are the core essence of funnels? And then two, what is the future of what that looks like rolled out with technology? Because I mean, I know it's not here yet and one of the things we'll talk about, but- Russell: Metaverse. Josh: We got Metaverse. And my wife was like, "Oh my gosh, ask Russell. If I want to be able to walk into Metaverse and Russell's going to be right there being like, "'Hey, do you want to buy my funnel cake,' click this button and you go into a portal. Instead of another page, you enter a new world that is Russell's world, that'd be so cool." But let's start with the foundation of funnels. When someone is building a funnel, when they're looking at it, what are the core pieces that they're actually looking at? Take us back to the foundation of that because I think a lot of people miss that or forget. Russell: Yeah. So, I'll take you back in history back in time so back to my beginning. Think what example I have sitting here on my desk that I can show you. So, the core, the thing you have to understand why funnels are essential, and why they'll always be here, comes back to my favorite Dan Kennedy quote of all time which is, "Whoever can spend the most money to acquire customer wins." This is the foundation but... Everything else you have understand- Josh: Like 7,000 speakers at Funnel Hacking Live all said that. Russell: Yeah, because it's the thing. In fact, you'll see, if you look at the... And maybe we'll get into this. My next move, what's happening next year for me? I'm looking at this, all ties into that as well. Why did I buy Dan Kennedy's company? Why am I doing these things? And I'll show you it's literally to solve that exact same question. So, when I got started 20 years ago, people didn't have offers yet they just had a product. So, you would be... Just say a book, like, "Okay, here's my book," and I would just sell a product, and that was what I was selling. And it worked for a long time and then guess what? Everyone else is like, "Oh, dude's making money with this product, I can make a product," they make the same product. Now you got 10 people selling a product that's similar. And so, then it's harder to compete because now you're no longer a unique thing, you are a commodity. And anytime you're a commodity, the person with the lowest price always wins. So, as soon as everyone's doing it, you got to drop at the bottom and then you lose your margin and then life sucks because if you don't profit what's the point of what we're doing? So, there's the first phase. So, then the next phase is like, "Okay, well I got a product, everyone's got the same product but how do I turn this from a product into an offer?" That was the first evolution. It's like, "Hey, when you buy my book, you also get my book, but you're also going to get my video course, my audio course, and then my checklist and my..." And all of a sudden you make something truly unique again where it's like, not just a product, but this is my offer that's specific, unique to me, that nobody else has. So that was the next evolution. And we got really good then in making offers that were sexy. It's like, "Oh yeah, everyone's selling this, but mine, if you get mine, you also da da, da, da, these other things." Right? And that's where this whole offer development started happening. In my mind, probably 15 years ago is when this became the thing that we all focused on. And whoever had the best offer was going to win because ads didn't ship that much. It was just like you're competing so now you're competing with six different people or 10 different people. So because that, Google ads AdWords cost went up, because there's 20 people bidding on the same keyword versus just you, initially. Now you're coming in, you make a better offer. Then you get the lion share people buy from you because your offer is the best. That was kind the next phase. And then of course the market evolves. Everyone gets smart. Everyone starts making good offers. Now it's like, maybe they're unique offers, but they're all good offers. Now it's like the market's getting fragmented up again. And so this is where the evolution now of funnels started happening where... And it was before. We didn't have one click up-sales back in the day. But the first thing was like: you buy my potato gun DVD, fill in your credit card, you buy it. The next page, you're like, "Do you want the potato gun kit? Cool. Get your credit card back out and fill it out again." And they'd fill out all the credit card again. Josh: Dang. Russell: But even with that, there's no one-click up-sales, man, like 15, 20, 30% people would buy the second thing. And all of a sudden, I'm selling a potato gun DVD, but I'm making 200 bucks on the back of the kit and nobody else selling potato gun DVDs was doing. I could outspend them all. So even though costs me more per click, I was able to get all the clicks because I made way more money than anybody else. So I was able to dominate the market. And that was kind of the next phase. And what's interesting is that depending on the market you're in, depends on where this is. For example, I'm in a fun phase where I wanted some side projects. So I'm launching a couple supplement companies. The first supplement company launched is called Zooma Juice. It's a green drink company. And some of you guys know, I actually worked with Drew Canole and his team back in the day on Organifi, and helped them launch that when it first came out seven years ago, and helped him build an actual funnel. And what's interesting is because of that... The green drink market is sophisticated. I went and funnel hacked, probably, 30 green drink offers before we built Zooma Juice. And all of them have pretty advanced funnels. Everyone's doing the best practices pretty well. Second company that we are starting, I acquired a bone broth company. And so I took... Got bone broth company and went funnel hacked every bone broth offer. And that market's new. Nobody had a funnel, not one. They have an offer, they have a product, that's it. And I'm like, "I'm walking into virgin funnel territory." We’ll be the biggest bone broth company on the planet in like 30 days? Because there's nobody who understands any of what we're talking about. We'll outspend everybody 10 to 1 because we understand the funnel structure. So depending on what market you're in, some markets haven't even evolved to the funnels yet. Some have, that's exciting. If they have, it's like, "Cool. We got... We can funnel hack. We get good ideas of what's working." If it hasn't like, "Man, you can bring all the stuff we know into these markets and just dominate and destroy them all." It was funny, as we were buying, I was funnel hacking the bone broth offers, I was like, "There's literally not single upsell, order form bump, email sequence. Like nothing." I was just like, "This is like, oh, embarrassing. Almost too easy." That was next phase though. And then to your point, initially it was like... In fact, I remember 10 pre-click funnels. Almost every funnel was the same. It was a video sales letter order button order form upsell one, upsell two, down-sell, down-sell. Thank you, basically. That was what a funnel was. In fact, if you look at, before we launched ClickFunnels, the first T and C event, Ryan Dice and Perry, and they had this whole team event talk about, "Here's the funnel." And they had a funnel and there's only one. And it was just like, "This is the five steps of every funnel." And it fits. It was like trip wire. They had these five steps like trip wire, profit maximizer, and they five or six... They had a name for each page. And it was like, "This is the funnel." And in reality, that was the funnel. There weren't funnels. It was like, "This is a funnel. This is kind of the one." And at the time when I was writing The Dot Com Seekers book and we had been playing with different ones, but there wasn't a lot of this thing out there. Was just kind of like, for the most part, there was a funnel. After ClickFunnels came out and it gave people the ability to create things fast and start innovating, creating ideas, that. And then I was like writing all my ideas in the book and people are doing stuff. It started evolving quickly. Last seven years have evolved where now there's been like a million different funnel things come out, from webinar funnels, auto webinar funnels, high funnels, low ticket funnels, trip wires, SLOs VSLs, challenges, paid challenges, free challenges, challenges to a webinar challenges to high tickets, a webinar to high ticket. There's a billion variations that come from that which probably gets people overwhelming. And so this os what I want to tell them because, this kind of comes back to your first questions, what is it? The reality is, it's going to be shocking for most of you guys, what funnel type you use doesn't really matter. They all work. The thing that matters is the offer. You still have to make the sexiest offer. That's still the most important. We acquired Dan Kennedy's company and we're doing this merger. And like I've spent I podcast episode this morning driving to the office. I've been up every single morning at 5:00 AM because I'm so excited. Because we have a fun, we picked a funnel on structure, we have all of products. I spend a week every morning at 5:00 AM, from 5:00 till like 7:30, when my kids are getting up, in there writing the page for the copy and the offer, and then tweaking and tweaking. That's the thing. The sexiness of the offer that gets people in is the key. So I can get them in, I can use this to get them in a webinar, in a challenge, in a free plus shipping. It doesn't matter. It's like the offer is the thing that puts people in a momentum. And the thing that I'm selling, I could sell it in the webinar. I could sell it in the challenge. I like there's I could sell in all the different funnels. It would fit in all of them. I'm picking the one that I'm using because I think it's going to go... For like the launch campaign, it the one that'll probably get sells the fastest, but it'll work in all of them. And So it's understanding that, it's still coming to the core fundamentals. The funnel structure is the sales process. All of them will work. You just got to figure out better way to sell. Like that's the harder thing that people are missing. Josh: All right. So let's talk... I want to dive into that offer. When you say specifically here... Because I think, and this is just from coaching with a lot of people, the questions that I get asked when I talk about this type of stuff. You talk about the offers, the sexy thing, but how does the offer affect getting somebody to opt in? How does the offer affect my ad? How does the offer affect the training? I don't show my offer until the end after the whole thing. So how does that affect every other step of the funnel? Russell: Okay, great question. So if I can see one here. Right, sorry. I had all the examples here a second ago. Oh, well. I'll just tell you the story. So when Dan Kennedy started his newsletter, in the Dan Kennedy company, the newsletter's the foundation of everything. And we could do a whole podcast episode just on psychology of the original GKIC, when Bill Glazer was running it with Dan. But the newsletter- Josh: Sounds like a sexy topic. Russell: Yeah. It'd be really fun, actually. I love... In fact, it's funny because I spent so much time with Bill Glazer geeking out about. I knew their business really well. And when that they sold it the very first time people bought it and didn't understand the business. And I saw within weeks of them destroying the foundation, I was like, "You guys literally don't know what you bought. You should have asked some questions before you wrote a check that big anyway." But the core is the newsletter. And so I had a chance to go back in the archives. I literally... they gave me, "Here's Google drive. Everything's ever been created." So I'm like, "This is... It's insane." for nerdy Russell, everything Dan's ever said is in this drive. And most of it, no one's ever seen before, so I'm freaking out. But the newsletter started back in like 1995 ish. I was like 15 years old when it started and it was just a newsletter. That's all it was right. It's like a product. That's how they sold it. And from '95 till I think I was probably 23, 24. So, 2004, 2005 ish was when Bill Glazer bought out the company from Dan and kind of ran it, and then they launched it. Instead of a newsletter, they launched it as an offer. And the offer at the time... I still remember the day it happened because I got like 400 emails from my Yanik Silver and all the different gurus at the time. They all started emailing about this Dan Kennedy offer. And it was called the most incredible free gift ever. And in fact, internally in the company called the MIFGE offer, M-I-F-G-E, the most incredible free gift ever. And what it was, it was like, "Hey, when you sign up for magnetic marketing net letter, what you're going to get is you're going to get..." I think it's like, "$639.93 for the money making material from Dan Kennedy himself." So it was like, "We'll give you all this cool stuff when you sign up for the newsletter." And it was the bribe. It's kind of like, if you guys remember back in the day, sports illustrator. It's really hard to sell sports illustrated issues. So what they would do is they would have TV commercials were like, "Here's sports illustrator, 12 issues year about the best sports. When you sign up today, we're going to give you..." And then they had their version of the most incredible free gift offer. It was this huge football clock and the sports illustrator swimsuit issue. That was the MIFGE offer for sports illustrator. And so Dan had their... They had their MIFGE offer, and they went from having five or 600 subscribers at that time to... Bill built it up to over, I don't know, 10, 15, 20. I don't know how big it got it as peak, but 10,000 plus members. And it was because they took a newsletter and they made it an offer. And that's how they launched initially. And so the MIFGE is how they did it. Now, fast forward to Russell gets access to all this stuff. I'm like, "This is amazing." So I'm trying to sit... I sat down Monday morning. No, sorry. It was last Saturday. Saturday. I wanted to write... I didn't want to do all the pages in the offer. So I have some of my team do the upsells and down-sells. I was like, "The landing page, this is mine." I want to write because I want to make sure I get the offer right and everything. Because this is... everything hinges on this. The landing page is broken, nothing works. And so I went and I funnel hacked. I every newsletter, sales letter, I could find throughout time. I just went deep in my archives, way back machine. People I knew who publishing newsletters, looked at every variation of theirs for the last 10 years. I totally geeked out like Russell does. Funnel hacking. I want to understand how people are structuring their newsletter offers. Gore's got a ton of them. So I'm looking at tons of them and everyone I looked at, I come back to like the Dan Kennedy one I'm like this offers just not sexy. More like $630 of money making information sounded cool in 2003. But today, it's like every opt-in, people are giving a thousand dollars worth of free crap. It wasn't that sexy- Josh: Right. Inflation, baby. Oh my word. Russell: Yeah. And then I'm like, "Now my funnel nerds are going to go and they're going to sign for this newsletter, and they're going to get this newsletter from Dan. He's talking about direct mail and faxing. And they're going to be confused and they're going to cancel." I have this weird opportunity. I was like, "This is just not the right thing." And I was like, "How do I make this sexy excited? How do I get myself excited to email about it?" And then Dan's email. I got to get affiliates on board and other people. How do I make this sexy so that I can create the noise? So that when there's an ad, there's a good enough hook in the ad that people are going to click? Because if the ads like, "Old marketing, grumpy marketing genius is going to give you 300 or $639 money making material for free when you join this newsletter," no one's going to click on that. The hook sucks now. It was good in 2003, horrible in 2021. And so I'm like sitting there and I spent three hours just going to yourself. And I was like, no matter how I tried, the offer just didn't feel right. And I explain to other knight, I was like, "I know I wouldn't click and I know I wouldn't buy it. And I don't want to even email my list tell them about it because it's not that exciting. How do I structure this in a way that's going to be really exciting?" And so that the problem. This is where I got stuck at. Right. And then, after about three hours of it is when I had the light bulb, I was like, "Oh my gosh." So all of the current Dan Kennedy customers, they love Dan. They're obsessed with them. And actually, this is a fascinating step. You'll appreciate this. Have you read a thousand true fans? Josh: Yeah. I love that book. Russell: It was crazy. So Dan's company was sold initially like 10 years ago, from Bill Glazer sold it. In the last 10 years, they haven't bought a single ad. So that's the attrition of the company, that's been happening. And I'm acquiring it like, "Oh, let's buy some ads." But what's crazy is 10 years since they bought the last ad, there are almost, to a T, it's like 990 something active paid subscribers still on a newsletter a decade later, without any ads at all. A thousand true fans. Is that crazy? Josh: That's insane. Russell: Really? Josh: And you're one of those true fans because you bought the whole company. Russell: Yeah. I thought that was a fascinating side note. So anyway, that's crazy. Like Dan's people love Dan. They love him talking. If they want Dan, but they need funnels. And I'm like, I don't want to come and be the guy who acquires the company and just starts emailing his own offer. I need them to.. I need to indoctrinate them to want it. So it's like, they're going to read Dan's newsletter and how do I bridge that to ClickFunnels? And I'm like, my funnel nerds are going to read his newsletter and be like, "I don't understand. This isn't..." They need it. They don't know they want it yet. If I can indoctrinate them for a while, they'll be like, "Oh my gosh, I get this," but it's going to take a while for them to really respect it enough that they'll get it. I was the same way. First time I heard Kennedy, I was like, "This guy's old, boring, and doesn't relate to what I'm talking about." And after I went deep in, I was like, "Oh my gosh, everything he says is literal. He's handing gold nuggets out." And I was just like, I didn't notice them. Now I'm like, "Oh my gosh." And so I was like, "I need this bridge." And some people know, when I first joined the Kennedy world, we actually launched my first print newsletter right afterwards. It was called The Dot Com Seekers Journal. It morphed from The Dot Com Seekers Journal to eventually call it, The Dot Com Seekers Labs. And then it became a Funnel Report and then it became Funnel University. So I actually ran a print newsletter for 14 years. We shut it down two years ago, but 14 years I ran a print newsletter. Josh: Yeah. I remember when you shut it down actually. Russell: Yeah. And I loved it, but I just, anyway... There's reasons like the person who was publishing it, she had a baby and she retired and all these things. I was just like, "Ah. I'm, I'm focusing ClickFunnels. Don't even worry about this right now." So we shut it down. But I loved that part of it. And I was like, what if I create an offer where the concept, the story, the hook of this whole entire thing is like, "Russell bought Dan company and they're coming together to give you two things like the best foundational direct response in the world. Plus the best in the marketing, the cutting edge, the new things are happening. So you can have both sides. So you understand the foundation you need to be able to survive Facebook slapping you and all these things happening and media shifting and changing. But you also have like what's working today so you can capitalize on things in real time." What if we took those two worlds together? The baby. And so instead of just being like, "You're signing for the new, from the Dan Kennedy newsletter," what if it was like, "Dan Kennedy, Russell Brunson?" Two different newsletters. You get two newsletters for the price of one. I was like, "That's the offer. That's the hook. That's what gets affiliates excited, to get ads excited, everything gets excited around this offer." And then, every mornings at 5:00 in this morning, or 5:00 AM every morning this week, I woke up and I'm writing copy for this page of like, "Okay, here's the hook. They're coming in. And there's Dan and there's Russell." How these things are coming together. And the story behind that, how it worked and then the offer instead of just like, "Here's $697 worth of free stuff," it's like, "you get two newsletters. You get the best direct response, best of Russell, every two weeks." So you get one in the mail and then 14 days later, you get the next one. And you're getting both of these. You get the old and the new but you only pay one price. You get both for the price of one. And then you get all Dan's bonus, all Russell's bonuses. Now becomes this like insane offer where, now, it's like, "I'm excited to mail my list." We bought Dan's company, you get all my best stuff in this to get, and it's this combination. And then affiliates will be excited. It just... And maybe the hook bombs, I don't know. But it gave me the energy, just like, "Okay, now, this is exciting and sexy." And so I can turn that into webinar where it's just like, "Dan Kennedy and Russell Brunson coming together to literally blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever." Like, "Opt in here to find our webinar," and people would opt in because the story, the hook is exciting or I can do a challenge like, "The seven day challenge. Me and Dan are going to go through how to destroy your business and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." And in the end, I'm selling a newsletter or it could be a VSL telling the story with a newsletter or could be... all of them work. The book is the secrets of story. Josh: Well, what it sounds like... Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it sounds like you just created this story about the offer. And now that you know what the offer is, and there's a reason that that came together and like, "That's what it is," now, you understand the story behind that. I'm trying to think of it like an analogy. For example, Disney world. That offer is so good. You're literally going into a different world that pretty much sells itself once you put it out there. And so once you have the story, once you have that idea around what the offer does and how it's unique and how it's it's own unique thing, then you can just take that and then it fills the rest of the funnel. Because everybody wants that thing because now the offer itself is so good. And I think one of the problems that I had, man, for so long is, I was trying to convince people that they wanted my thing be... Or convince people that they had this problem, and then that they wanted this thing, and then I would make them an offer on it. And they wouldn't get to... they wouldn't even know about the offer, or what the offer did, or like anything about it, until like forced or like right before the offer. And they'd be like, "And then I've got this offer? Boo." And because of that, there was no story around it. There's no congruency with it. And so then it was like, "Oh, I didn't even know. That's what I was here for." And then I would like try to sell them something and it wouldn't sell. And I feel like that's the problem that got solved right there, is like first you created the offer and the story around the offer and you made it sexy. And then that made everything else on the funnel super, super easy, because you were just pointing them back to that. Russell: Everything, the funnel plus all the ads. Because now the ads are fun. "Why Dan Kennedy came out of retirement? Dan Kennedy almost died. What's he doing today?" All a sudden, all these hooks that tie into that. "Why did Dan Kennedy partner with the owner ClickFunnels? Why did... Is it true that ClickFunnels was built off the back of all Dan Kennedy principles?" There's so many stories I can tell now that are hooks. That'll grab his people in or my people in or... And then the landing page. And then... It creates everything. And the people that the best in the world of this, and they also make the most money, is Agora. The good Gora publishing. They're selling newsletters. That's all they sell. Right. But every single time they have these insane stories like Porter Stan's got... I think maybe not still, but for like a decade and a half, the highest of all the Agora divisions. I think he'll do like 1.5 or 2 billion dollars a year. Like these are big divisions. Porter's letter one. And, the story was like, "The railroad across America." And it was talking about like, "The original railroad, how it happened and all the people made money along the way. And this is the next railroad that's being built. It's the digital highway and all this stuff." And that offer was selling a newsletter. But it's the story behind it that became this thing that built a billion dollar company. And they're good. They're so good at figuring out the story, those kind of things. And I think sometimes we're like, "Hey, I've created a course in the passed. You should create a course too. I made money. It's going to be awesome." And then like, "You should buy my course creating software or whatever." Like, "That's not the thing." We're so bad at telling stories. We brag about our result. We tell them making the same result and that's it. It's like, no, that's not the key. It's the story. It's the entry. It's the... We want to be entertained. We want to be courted. We want to be... that's the game we're playing in marketing. And so when you figure that out... The offer is actually sexy. And then why is that sexy? The sexiness is not just, "You get a bunch of crap." The sexiness is the story about like how this was created. Josh: Literally what it does that. Russell: That’s the fascinating part. Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Catherine Jones. One of her favorite things is, "When your stories become their stories, then your solutions become their solutions." and that's literally what this is. If you can tell them a story where they like it and they're like, "Oh my gosh, this is amazing," then, go and do it. So for example, Harry Potter world. The story, it... My wife freaking loves Harry Potter world. I mean, that was her thing. When we went down to Funnel Hacking Live, it was like, we were going to take a half a day just to go to Harry Potter world. So we showed up and then it was like, "Hey." Miles is like, "Dude, the buss is leaving for Harry Potter world." There wasn't much convincing that has to be done. The story is, "Oh my gosh, Harry Potter world's amazing. It's Harry Potter. I want it" She wanted that thing because of the story that was leading up to it. There was no, "What's Harry Potter world? Is it any good? What's this?" It's like, "No, it's Harry Potter world." And you're like, "Oh, okay. Yeah, I want it." That's like the story with that. So that's super, super interesting. So where do you see the future of funnels going? Because obviously there's a lot of changes coming with ClickFunnels and ClickFunnels 2.0, which, oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Gusting. Gusting hits me up. Probably... Dude, he probably hits me up once a week and is like, "Hey, guess what? ClickFunnel 2.0 is awesome. And you don't have it." And I'm like, "I heard you. Stop." Russell: He actually built out the magnetic marketing funnel hub right now for me, which is cool. Josh: So, yeah. So anyway, but what's the next evolution? And we don't have really have too much to talk about metaverse and where that goes. But we're entering this new world. I mean, the world is changing very, very, very rapidly. COVID is one of those things that we thought the internet was a big deal, and internet marketing was a big deal, pre-COVID, and then we watch zoom blow up by like 3000% or something like that. And they ruin zoom for us. But anyway, so where are things going that people should be paying attention to and going actually studying and understanding about the future of funnels? Because one of the things that I've been really, really focused on and we're kind of getting dialed in, is community funnels, Specifically, I think for me, one of the things that I've noticed is that it's very, very... It's getting increasingly harder to sell things unless you have a community that's tied with it. And so like for me, one of the things we're focusing on is how do we build funnels inside of our community where our community actually becomes part of the funnel? Which is kind of a cool concept. What do you see as those future things of where funnels are headed, where the big opportunities are going to be? What's the next add to webinar to a 9 97 course? You know what I'm saying? What's the future? Where we're heading? Russell: I hate to make it sound simple, but if I come back to the fundamentals we talked about the beginning of this call. Like Dan Kennedy, whoever can spend the most money to acquire customer wins. So you look at it through that lens. Went from a product, to an offer, to a funnel. And now with the funnel, I have more ways to make money. And then, from there, the next evolution was like from funnel to value ladder. Right now, it's like, I have a break even funnel and move people up a value ladder and that's how I may lose money or break even on my book funnel, but then my webinar funnel's going to make money or vice versa. Right? Josh: Right. Russell: That was the next phase. And I think, for me, where I'm playing because I'm trying to play for the next 10 years. How do I win this game? We're doing well. I want to.. How do I get a point where, Shopify, or Salesforce is like, "I want to write you a check for 20 billion because you're such annoyance." The way I'm going to do that, for me, is... and it comes back to why did I acquire Magnet Marketing? Why did I buy Brad Callin’s company? Why am I doing this? Because I'm not looking at breakeven funnels anymore. Breakeven funnels, awesome. I'm going one chair back or I'm building breakeven businesses. So magnetic marketing, the only gold magnetic is to break even. The entire company, the value ladder, the coaching, the everything. So every penny made side of magnetic marketing be dumped back into ads, want 100% of the profits dump back into ads. So this company's blowing up. And I get now all these things dumped into my value ladder for ClickFunnels. Like that's it. Voomly doing 40 million a year? Why do we acquire that company? Tons of lead flow. Now, right now there's... it was 10 million dollars a year net profit. All that money now is being dumped directly into lead flow as a breakeven business, to acquire customers for ClickFunnel. So I think it's going deeper. It's looking past... from product to offer, to funnel, to value ladder, to how do I buy or acquire or create something where the only goal of this entire business is just get customers for free that can put into here. And I thing, for me, that's the next level is just like that thought. Josh: You just blew my mind, dude. Holy cow. You're creating an ecosystem, but in a very specific way. It's interesting, as you just told that out, just, "First, it was this. Then, it was this." The thing before it didn't change. That's still part of it. Russell: It's both the same. Yeah. Josh: Right. But it's kind of that next evolution, that next piece of where that comes out. That's fascinating. I think a lot of people need to just really rewind that, go listen to that clip again and let your brain sit on that. Russell: That's how I'm playing the game. Yes. Hopefully I'm four step ahead everyone else, but I'm all for showing that with you guys. And so I just... Again, for everyone to start thinking that, because it's going to get harder. It's going to get more expensive. It's going to get more... We've seen that this year. Ad costs have gone up. It's not going to get cheap. It's not going to bounce back down and be cheaper. It's going to keep doing that. The people who only had a product back in the day are out of business. People only had an offer back in day, they're out of business. People don't have a funnel are out of a business. People don't have a value ladder out of a business. So it's just thinking ahead of that. Metaverse or whatever next step is, doesn't really matter. It's the principle still is the same for me. For 20 years, whoever can spend the most money to acquire customer wins. Josh: Wins. Russell: How do I do that in a way that serves the customers, brings them in and then... I'll end on this, because it back to what you said. And I did a podcast on this. It's in the facts I got from Dan Kennedy. After the company sold last time, he was super mad at the company that had jacked up his brand and his legacy and stuff. And so like he sent this 25 page facts, like all the things to do to fix it. And there's one paragraph where he said, "There's difference between why customers come in and why they stay." He said, "People think they're the same things." He's like, "No, no, they're different." Why they come in is because they see the hook of like, "Ooh, the scene." They come in from that. They stay for something different. And you have to understand that. So like I had my inner circle meeting, right. Everyone paid 50 grand to be in the room. We had a hundred entrepreneurs in the room and I told them. I said like, "Well, you guys all because you want to learn funnels from Russell." But I'm like, "The reason why you came is not why you were going to stay here. The reason I get sick year, after year, after year is because of the community." That's it. That's why I sat in Dan Kennedy rooms for six years of my life is because the community built and I wanted to be around these people. I came for Dan stuck for the community. And I think that you start understanding that, that's how you get these people to come in on a front end, but they stay and they buy over and over and they stay on continuity. They stick because it's like.. They come in from a hook, but they stay for the something different. And so really understanding that and then weaving everything you're doing like you're doing now with the community funnels, which is perfect. Josh: That's amazing. That's amazing. All right. Well I think that's a good ending point for that topic. Russell: There's episode number two of our hangout today, which was amazing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With everything we have to do... does podcasting really make sense? Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. We've got three special episodes for you. The first one, well, actually all three of them are with my guest host, Josh Forti. We're going to be breaking down some cool things. The first episode... What happened in the first episode? It was really good. Josh Forti: Yeah. We talked all about podcasting, why podcasting is important. Russell: Yeah, podcasting. So episode number one, we learned about podcasting, why we do it, how we do it, the reasons behind it, and a whole bunch of other things. If you haven't been doing a podcast yet, it's going to sell you on why you need to do one. If you have done one, it's going to show you guys why and how to amplify it, and why it's so important and how to find your best buyers from it. I hope you guys enjoy this episode. We'll cue up the theme song, and we'll be right back. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Like I said today, the next actually couple episodes, I've got a guest host with me, which I'm pumped for. We actually did two podcasts. Well, technically, they were podcasts episodes for your podcast, right? Josh: Yeah. Russell: And I ripped them off for my podcast because they turned out so good. One is after the Atlas Shrugged book, Josh Forti flew out, and we did... How long? We went for... Josh: It was three and three and a half hours. Yeah. Russell: Three hours. Yeah. Josh: Three and a half hours, yeah. Russell: Going deep into Atlas Shrugged, which was really fascinating. I actually just reread it recently, so if you want to do Round Two, we should totally do that. And then, after I read Atwood and the devil book, I freaked out, and then Josh flew out and we did one there. So you guys who have been listening to the podcast are familiar with him and his voice. But I asked him, I love doing the podcast, but sometimes I fall behind, and my brother who does our podcast settings, "Russell, any episode today?" I'm like, "Huh." I don't even know what to think. I want someone to help come up with ideas so it's not just me. And so Josh went out to the community, asked a bunch of questions and the next couple episodes are going to be some fun conversations. So I'm pumped, man. And thank you for doing this. I know this you're doing this pro bono to hang out and just to help me out, so I appreciate that. And I'm excited to find out what people want to know about. Josh: Yeah, for sure. I love podcasting. That's my life. If I could do one thing, it would just be, have a show that we just talk all the time. So this is fun for me. It's like asking you to come hang out and geek out about funnels. So I'm super excited, though. It's going to be super cool, and dive in further, and pick your brain, and open up a new world that I don't think a lot of people get to see. Russell: Yeah. It's interesting, because I feel that when it's me doing my own podcast, I pick a topic, I go into it. But it's fun when... Yesterday I had a chance to speak at a virtual event thing, and I did my thing and in the end people ask questions. It just opens up a different side that you don't normally do. And so I don't do a lot of Q&A stuff. So I'm excited to... Josh: Yeah. It's interesting. Russell: And maybe this is the only time we do this. Maybe it's a huge train wreck, and this is the only time it happens. Or maybe it becomes a thing. We'll find out. Josh: We'll try to make it not a train wreck. We'll try. We'll do our very best. I think one of the big things though that I want to start with and kick this whole thing off is why you spend so much time with podcasting. Because here's the thing, man. You're rich. We all know it. You don't have to do this. You have this company that you could. We all learned at funnel hacking live, you turned down a billion dollar offer, so clearly you're not doing this for the money. And you've got a company. You've got a team. You've got all these resources. You could spend money on ads. You could do whatever it is that you want. Yet, somehow you are calling me up and are like, "Dude, I need to do podcasts." And to somebody who gets it, and I get it. I have a podcast. I dedicate time when it doesn't make sense. I put money into a podcast that doesn't make sense. On paper, I get and I understand content and putting it out there, and I've never been at your level either. I don't think a lot of people understand. Why do you do it, dude? Why a podcast? And why are you investing so much of the time that you have now, which is limited, I'm sure? There's a lot of people trying for your attention. Why a podcast? And why is that such a core, fundamental piece that you actually spend so much time on, when you clearly don't have to? Russell: I could probably, in fact, I'll probably give you four or five reasons, because there's not just one reason. There's a lot of them. And I actually, I remember when podcasting started. I was at at Armand Morin's BigSeminar, and someone was on stage, Paul Collier was on stage. He's like, "There's this thing coming. It's going to be the greatest thing in the world. It's called podcasting. And you're going to put these things in your ears and listen to people talk." I remember, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. No one will ever listen to that." I just didn't get it. He's like, "No, this is the future." And I remember because I was my roommate at the time was Josh Anderson, some of you may know Josh, and Josh went and bought every podcast domain he could think of. And I was like, "You're dumb. That's never going to happen." But I do remember, "Well, if I ever did a podcast, I'd call it the Marketing In Your Car Podcast, because when I drive my car, I could record it. And I remember thinking that. And I remember I bought, at the time, Marketing In Your Car, and I did nothing with it for, I don't know, eight or nine years. I just had it. In fact, I even paid someone to write an intro song for it. So if you ever go back to the first episodes, the first hundred-something episodes, there was this really... At the time it was so cool, and now it's corny, but there was this theme song that some guy wrote for me. And I had it for five years, this theme song, and I never used it because I was like, "I don't get podcasting." Then in my business life, we had grown up my company at the time. We had a hundred employees. And then, the long story you guys have heard before, is the company crashed. Everything fell around, and it went from a 20,000 square foot office to 2000 square foot office. I felt like an idiot. I was embarrassed. My status was at an all time low. I was weird. And for some reason in that season of my life, I had this impression, "You need to start podcasting and talk about marketing." And I was convinced at this time I was the worst marketer in the world, because I had just crashed my entire empire. I'm an idiot. I didn't want to, but I felt this impression like now it's time to start a podcast. So I literally, from the ashes of my business, started this podcast, and I had at that time a four or five minute drive to the office. Okay, I can be consistent with this. It's going to happen all the time. I'm going to do it. So I got my phone out, I clicked record, and I would literally just drive to my office and I would just talk about what we were trying to figure out. "All right. Today, we're going in the office and working on this new offer, and this is what we're thinking and da, da, da." And then the next steps were, "Oh, we launched the offer and it worked." Or it didn't work. So we tried this. It was just me documenting. It's funny. I heard Vaynerchuk talk about, "Document your journey." And I didn't know. That wasn't a thing at the time, but that's literally what I started doing. And it was nice, because it was something that was so easy. It was easy to be consistent with. I think if I would have had to do a podcast where, for me, if I had a studio and a microphone, all those things, I probably wouldn't have done it because I wouldn't have gotten enough momentum to stick with it. But it was easy. And at first the way we set it up, we couldn't track stats, so we had no idea if anyone was listening, which was a huge benefit. Because had I known how few people were listening, I probably wouldn't have kept doing it. But I just kept doing it and doing it, not really knowing what kind of return was going to happen. It's funny now. I had someone, about a year ago, go through and start from the very beginning and listen all the episodes. I was trying to get some notes and trying to remember. And it was cool, because they started coming back, reporting. He's like, "Did you know on this day you talked about why you thought anyone who wanted to build a company over 10 million dollars in sales was a moron? You should never try to grow company that big. And then over here you talked about, you're never going to hire an employee again." All my thoughts at the time, which have morphed and shifted obviously. But it's this cool thing where I have this record now of this journey from the ashes to ClickFunnels and beyond. So it's been very special for me. Josh: Okay. Sorry. I want to continue down that path, I want to interject right there. The reason I started a podcast is because, literally, you told me to. You didn't physically be like, "Josh, start a podcast." But all your books, all your content, you're like, "Publish, publish, publish, publish, publish." And I'm like, "Okay." And so it started on Facebook. It started on Facebook Live, and then it grew. And then my friend Daxy, he is like, "Dude, turn it into a podcast. Way more people would listen." All right. So I have, I don't know, four or five hundred episodes now on my podcast that I have done with you and all these different interviews or whatever. But what I tell people is, and this is true in all areas of my life, I'm so blatantly honest on my podcast. I don't filter or mince my words at all. Shocking. Russell: You're filtered on Facebook and Instagram, you're telling me? Josh: Just a little bit. But what's interesting is one of the things that you pointed out there was you have this document. You have this record of exactly where you were at at the time. And so for me, one of the things... And this is bigger than just podcasting. When you're just blatantly honest with yourself and where things are at, and you just turn on the microphone and you just talk, you actually can go back and you can watch your progress. And you can see. Oh man, when I was 26 years old, when this happened, this is what I thought about life, or this is what I thought about this particular topic, or this is what I was learning here. When I'm building a funnel or I'm building something that I knew I worked on in the past and I talked about it, I can literally go back, and I can remember the struggles. And I think it was you. It might have been. It might have not been you. It might have been Gary. I think it was you, though. You were like, "Imagine if Jeff Bezos would've documented every single day or every single week building Amazon." How much people would pay for that. That would be so epically cool. That's what it's like. So I totally understand what you're talking about there. I feel like people are embarrassed to start, they're embarrassed where they're at now. And so they don't want to put it out there. I'll never forget Liz Benny. Obviously, you know Liz. She's amazing. I had her on my podcast. This is probably a year and a half ago. And she's like, "Josh, I've watched you grow so much." And I'm like, "Really?" She's like, "Oh yeah." I'm like, "How do you know?" She's like, "Because I listen to your podcast." And it was like, "Oh, this is a long term thing." It was at that moment that I realized it. Russell: Uh huh. For sure. It's interesting because, if I haven't publicly talked much about this yet, but I've been acquiring old books. I just bought this whole, literally, library of Napoleon Hill books and stuff. And it's been so fascinating because I'm reading through and these are the records of these people and their beliefs and their thoughts. I've got old magazines from early 1900s, late 1800s. I'm reading. I found articles from Thomas Edison, who were in the publishing these. I'm reading this stuff and it's so cool. And one thing, this is Russell guilt. In the Mormon church one thing they always talk about is, you need to keep a journal, so that way your posterity has this thing. And I've never been good at keeping a journal. And what I started realizing as I'm going through all the Napoleon Hill stuff, I'm so grateful that they wrote these things down and they have this journal. And I started from that guilt again. And all of a sudden I was like, "Wait a minute. I don't have a journal, but I've been podcasting now for seven years." This is my record. This is, when I'm dead, my kids or my grandkids or my posterity or people, whoever it is. This is how they're going to learn about me and figure out who I was. And hopefully I shortcut them some trial and error. Here's the journey I went on, but here's what I figured out. I can help them. I think all of us are always talking about wanting to leave an impact. I think my podcast episodes, I'm hoping these are my journals. These are my records. This is like what I just bought from Napoleon Hill. I'm hoping that this becomes something for the future generations that they can build their businesses off and their ideas and their plans. Because my podcast is... It's a marketing podcast, but I don't talk about marketing most of the time. I talk about my family and my kids, and I'm learning, and my personal development and all the things. Marketing is just the hook I got people in, but it's my life record. It's my journal, which is cool too. Josh: Yeah, that is super cool. It's funny. Quick side note, we have to shut down this indifferent theory, because Apple.... Russell: Just spell it different. Josh: Yeah. Believe me. We've tried some things. I'm not trying to push against the biggest company in the world. So anyway, we have a new name. I'm not going to say it yet, but it's coming. But anyway, in the last just couple weeks, I've had to pause doing podcasts. And it's weird because what you said right there is, "I don't keep a journal." But I know that I do keep a journal via that exact same thing. And it was weird. I went to my wife literally two days ago. And I was like, "I need you to, to help me create a system for the short term to be able to document my thoughts because right now I'm not doing it. And I have so many things that we're going through right now." So I totally get that. But I feel like there's got to be more than that. There's got to be another reason besides just the documentation process for the podcast for you. Russell: For sure. That's the first thing. Again, I got four or five that run in my head, so I don't know what the order they'll come out in. But the next one is eventually I wrote a book. And people were like, "These books are so good. How do you know all these stories?" And for me, I have an idea, and the idea percolates in my head for a minute, and I got to tell someone. So usually first person I tell is usually the podcast. I'm thinking about this thing and I talk about it. And so I tell the story the first time. The first time it may not even be that fleshed out. Then I get to the office and I see Dave over there. Dave's excited. I'm like, "Dave, check this out." And I tell it to him again. And then I tell someone else. And then I'm doing an interview and I say it again. And I tell the story four or five, six times, and I get better and better at telling the story. And then when I'm at a seminar and I'm on stage and I'm talking. I have no idea which direction I'm going. All of a sudden, this thing will pop up my head. I've told that story six times three months ago, and it appears. I remember Tony Robbins told me this. He said, "When I go on stage, I have a plan, but the plan, it never goes to plan. I start talking." And then he's like, "These downloads just come from God or from the universe, and they just show up." And for me, as I started podcasting and telling these stories over and over and over again, that's exactly what happens now. When I need something, I'm in a situation, I'm coaching someone, I talking, I'm on an event or a stage or something. I need something often that just, it appears when I need it. And I think it's because I didn't just think about it and forget about it. I think about it. I tell it on a story. It's published. I tell someone else. And then when I write a book, I've told the story 400 times. I know the best way to tell the story now. I've seen what people laugh at, what they don't laugh at, how to do it the right way. In fact, it's interesting, my next book is a personal development book. I've struggled with that one, because I don't have a personal development podcast. And I haven't tested these stories, these principles or these theories. I've been stuck, as you know. I sent you the rough draft eight months ago, and I haven't written a word since then. Part of it is I haven't had a chance to flesh these things out. So it gives me idea to flush out my ideas is another one of them. Another one that's interesting... I don't know the exact stats, but I read it somewhere. I think I talked about on Traffic Secrets.I put it in there. But conceptually, they talked about people who are podcast listeners versus the rest of humanity. And I'm going to tell you about the stat, and I'll tell you how the practical application of that stat, which is really fascinating. So the stat was something like the average person who listens to the radio makes, I don't know, $60,000 a year. And whereas the average podcast listener makes $120,000 a year. So the people you are getting and acquiring, they are people with more spending power. They're more affluent people that are the kind of people who are trying to develop their brain, their minds, things like that. They're more likely to buy a course or software or a Mastermind or things like that, because they're the kind of people who aren't just listening to the radio to numb themselves. They're listening to audio to grow. That's the fascinating thing that you're getting a better caliber customer who are listening. Number two, you are getting them in their most intimate moments. When do you listen to a podcast? It's when I'm working out and I'm by myself and it's me and them, and I have their full attention. I'm not listening to a podcast where I'm writing an email or texting someone. Or I'm in the car driving. I'm getting access to their brains and their minds in their most intimate moments. But it's just me and them. Even video. Josh: It's not even like that on YouTube either. Russell: Yeah. I'll watch a YouTube video while I'm cooking dinner, while I'm doing five other things. Josh: That's super interesting. Russell: I don't listen to podcasts with my kids in the room, because they're going to ask me a question. They're going to mess it up. It's when I'm separate and it's just me and them and that's it. I have a different level of intimacy with the podcast people that I'm listening to. So the higher quality customers, better level of intimacy, and then the practical application. The first time I really got this, it was after I launched my Inner Circle the very first time. And again, it was funny, because I always told everybody I never money on my podcast. I’m doing this podcast, I'm not making any money from it… And as I did it for four or five years, and I launched my first version of my first version of my Inner Circle, and we had a point where we had about 33 people in it paying 25 grand. And I remember at one of the events, somebody asked, "How did you guys bump into Russell?" And all of them were like, "Oh, I saw something, but then I got on this podcast, and I listened to him every single day while I was working out for six months. And he kept talking about this Inner Circle and talking about this thing. He's going to get all these things." And it was fascinating. Almost everyone in the room, they didn't hear about my podcast. Podcast isn't good for lead gen. It's never. Josh: Yeah. It's horrible for lead gen. Russell: You can't just buy ads and blow up your podcast. But people find out about you. They plug in to your podcast. And the people who make that transition from, "I saw a book." "I saw an ad." "I saw something." And they make that transition where they actually get the phone out, subscribe, and then plug you in. Those become your best customers, your highest buyers. They're the best. And so the practical application is yes, by doing this podcast, I'm taking... And I talk about this in Expert Secrets. And actually my Inner Circle meeting last month, we talked a lot about this. We talked about creating a new opportunity versus an improvement offer. And for the most part you want to create new opportunities. That's what gets people in the door. And I told everyone, your value ladder should be this new opportunity. There's opportunity stacking. The back of the value ladder, there's one section that's saved for people with ambition. New opportunity is all about getting people who have a desire to come in. But people with ambition, and the percentage of your audience is small. The percentage of people who have true ambition, it might be 15 to 20%, maybe. Josh: Yeah. Russell: But those are your most ambition. I told them my Master, I didn't sell you guys new opportunity. Do you want to come to Boise and talk to other entrepreneurs? Or are you going to get better and stronger and smarter, all the ER words? You guys are the ones at the top of the value ladder. You are ambitious. So I'm not selling you new opportunity. I'm selling you guys improvement. And it's the hardest thing to sell, but it's what one tier of your audience wants. I feel like same thing, the people who are listening to your podcasts, these are the people who want improvement. These are the ambitious ones. They're not the tire kickers. And so it's the best way to convert people in their highest ticket backing things as well. Josh: Yeah. And I also think, one thing that's very important to point out, I think here, is the style slash type of podcast that you particularly create. Because I've studied a lot of different podcasts. Joe Rogan obviously is a big inspiration of mine when it just comes to creating content or whatever. But what's interesting is that the type of content that a Joe Rogan creates, or that even a Logan Paul or any of the bigger mainstream podcasts, oftentimes it's much more for entertainment. And Joe Rogan, I think, maybe is the blend between the two. But a lot of podcasts, they're not specifically for solving a very specific problem. And so what I always say about specifically the type of podcast that you create, you or Steve or whatever, your type of podcast is horrible for lead generation, but is amazing for lead education. It's because once they're in there, you have that. And what's interesting is one of the times that I listened to your podcast most... I'm going to let you guess. I'm sure you're not going to get it. But what do you think one of the times I listened to your podcast most? Russell: When you're driving somewhere in your car. Josh: That's a time. Yeah. But it's when I'm in pain. When I have a specific pain around my funnel, I will literally go, "Russell has this podcast. He's got all these episodes. I bet you he's talked about it." And so I'll literally go on my phone and I'll keyword search for different things. And I'll specifically go. There was one time I was listening to, it was something about a webinar or something, and you were talking about how you wrote your headlines and basically how you came up with your framework for it. And I remember you did that one time. And so I was struggling with it, and so I literally searched it and I did it. And so the type of podcast that you create, in my head there's two different ones. There's one for entertainment. And then there's one for education. And you create one specifically for education. And when you do that, that's the type of podcast or that's the type of content that literally goes and educates your member. And when you have that, a hundred percent, my top buyers, anybody that gives me top dollar for my stuff, they all listen to my podcast or have been on my podcast and I'll pull something out of it. They're always the ones that pay the most money. For sure. Russell: For sure. It's interesting too. And there's, as you said, a lot of formats. When I did mine, I did a short form for a couple reasons. Number one is it was my drive to the office, so that's how it started. But number two, I love Joe Rogan and I probably listen to one of his entire podcast ever. Josh: Oh my gosh. I probably listen to a hundred of them at least. Russell: And I get overwhelmed, because each one's four hours long and there's all these different people. Everyone keeps talking recently about the Jewel one. "It's the greatest thing in the world. You've got to listen to it." Four hours. I could get a whole audio book, the entire book done in four hours. Is that worth the investment? I don't ever want to dive into it, because it's so big. Whereas mine, again, someone's in the car and only got a 10 minute commute. Boom. Throw it in. They get an episode. And then what happens is they get hooked, and then they'll listen for four hours. So it's different though, because if Joe Rogan's were broken up into even 20 minute blocks, I would probably listen to all of them. Josh: YouTube Joe Rogan clips. It's Joe Rogan experience clips. And it's literally 20 minute episodes. Russell: Oh cool. Josh: So if you ever want to. Russell: That's probably what I would do. And I think it's interesting. And then also another nice thing about short form is people come in, they listen to one... And I get this all the time. People are like, "I got your podcast, listened to three or four episodes, and I loved it. So I started at the very beginning and I binge-listened to all of them." It happens all the time as well. Whereas Joe Rogan, you're not going to binge-listen because that's 65 years worth of content you're going to go through. Mine, they're short. I'm going to go to the beginning. And they start and they binge listen. And then they've gone through your journey with you. And by the time they show up, they know everything that you've ever said. And they're so much easier to work with if they've got that stuff. I think everyone needs... It's one of the things where you're not going to see a big return or not initially. But over time, if you're consistent with it, it's the best thing. And then obviously, I don't use my platform for this, but you do and I think it's brilliant. It gives you access to all these people. Whereas the interviewing people, you get access to people you can't otherwise. Josh: Doors open that you literally can't even understand simply because you're like, "Hey, I have a podcast and hey, I've got these couple other cool players on here. You want to come?" Alex Hormozi is coming on my podcast. I literally reached out to him, "I have a podcast." And a hundred percent, I'm going to admit something to you right now. I was like, "Hey, I had a podcast, and Russell's been on a couple times. You want to come on?" He's like, "I love Russell. Of course I'll come on your show." Russell: That's awesome. Josh: Crazy big doors that get open simply because you have a platform to be able to allow someone to use their voice as well. Russell: I remember, before Tony and I were super close, we met a couple times and stuff, but I remember he was doing some launch. I remember Lewis Howes and him did a big interview. And three or four people they interview sound so annoying. Why is Tony hanging out with these people and not me? And now all of a sudden, I had the ahas. "Lewis Howes has got a big podcast. Oh my gosh. Okay, I need to be able to offer my platform to him to get in that door and really build that relationship." And that's one of the powers of it too. You have a platform, now you've got ability to access people you can't otherwise. As you know. Josh: All right. Two rapid fire questions here really quick. Because I want to move on to the next topic to keep us on track. But number one, what's the Joe Rogan episode that you listened to all the way through? Do you remember which one it was? Russell: Oh, I do know. Yeah. And I actually hate that I listened this one. It was the Gary Vee one. Josh: Oh. Yeah. Russell: And the reason why I listened, because I want to be on Joe Rogan's podcast someday. And I want to see what Gary talked about because... As you know, Gary and I have a... He probably has idea who I am. Josh: You have a light beef. Russell: We've got an interesting relationship. He's not my... Anyway. I've got to make sure I'm the next internet marketer who actually does a better job. Josh: Okay. Two things on that. One, anybody listening, I'm going to do this, so don't take it, but I'll beat you to it. If you ever can get Russell Brunson on Joe Rogan, that's a great Dream 100 gift right there. That would be amazing. Secondly, I've listened to so many episode of Joe Rogan. One of my favorite ones is actually with Kanye. I know everyone thinks Kanye's an idiot. But if you can, that's five hours. It's insane. It's one of the most intense episodes I've ever listened to. But one that is a must-listen to, seriously one of the best podcast episodes ever done is his first interview with Elon Musk. If you ever get the chance, just sit down and listen to it. It's three or three and a half hours, but understanding that dude's mind, Elon Musk, you will not regret that three hours of your life. It was a fantastic episode. So that's the one. Russell: Very cool. Josh: Okay. Last thing here before we move on, are there any other points that we didn't cover about why someone should have a podcast? Wrap up, make your closing arguments around why somebody should go setup a podcast. Russell: The last one I'll say, and I quote Nathan Barry, actually, in Traffic Secrets. And I'll probably mess up the quote, but it was interesting. He talked about how... I think the title of the blog post I share is, You Got to Publish Long Enough to Get Noticed. And he talks about how for most of us there's so much content out nowadays. There's all these things. It's hard to know what's going to be good. 5,000 podcasts launched today. How many Netflix episodes, all sorts stuff. He says most of us find out about a good show at Season Two or Season Three, because of this, we waited to see, our friends talked about it. All of sudden it gets a breaking point where everyone's talking about it, and then you become this overnight success. It's interesting. He said you have to publish long enough to get noticed. And I think that's the biggest thing to understand. Especially most people who are getting started and they're so scared. "I'm going to look like an idiot." "They're all going to make fun of me." "I'm just a beginner." Blah, blah. All these different excuses. The good news is, at the very beginning, no one's listening. Josh: No one's listening. Russell: It doesn't matter. Just do it. This is your chance to actually find your voice and learn how to speak and tell stories, and all those things. No one's listening. And if you keep doing it, I tell people all the time, if you publish consistently for a year, that doesn't mean once a month for a year, daily for a year, or three, four times, five times a week consistently for year. Two things will happen. Number one, you'll find your voice. Number two, your audience will have a chance and have enough time to actually find you. And so it's going out there and just setting it up, the ROI. And I'm a big ROI. You look at my DiSC profile, my number one value is ROI. If I can't see the return on investment on something, it's hard for me to do. It's why I struggled in school. It's why I struggle in awkward conversations. Because I'm like, "What's the point of this?" I don't get it. Podcasting was hard, because I didn't know what the ROI was. And luckily again, I didn't see the stats for three years. Josh: Is that how long it was? It was three years? Russell: Yeah, before we figured out how to get the stats on it. Josh: That's crazy. Russell: But because of that, because I didn't know what the ROI was, and I was just hoping and praying with faith that it would be good. Now I see the ROI. Now it's important. Now I do it twice a week. Regardless, it happens in the queue, in the can because it's that important. Josh: If your number one thing is ROI and you figured out the podcast is worth it, guys, there's your selling point. Go start a podcast already. Russell: Got a podcast. Let's go. Josh: Honestly, it's amazing. And it's so much fun too. You learn so much about yourself. And I think the one thing I'll say about podcasting is you've got to really find your own unique style. I was listening to, I know you know Alex Becker, but Alex Becker is probably one of the biggest influencers in crypto right now. Just insane. One of my friends who got his NFT, and he's up a quarter million bucks in three months. Just insane stuff. One of the things that he said is right now in the industry, everybody is trying to become an influencer. And so he says, "I see all these people trying to model exactly what it is that I do." And he's like, "I have no problem with you guys doing that because I get it." At the beginning, you don't know your voice yet or whatever, but he's like, "You'll never be me." And I won't use the language that he used. But he's basically like, "There's only one me, so eventually model me, do whatever you need to do. But eventually go find your voice. Go find your own thing, because that's why people are going to watch you. I'm going to make sure that you're irrelevant if you try to model me long term." And so it's giving you that permission to model somebody at the beginning, but then, people are not going to listen to you if they can go listen to somebody else that has the exact same style. So it allows you to really be yourself when you give yourself permission to just try different things. And at the beginning, like you said, no one's listening. Russell: Yeah. It's funny talking about modeling. I talked about this yesterday on a call I was on. It's fascinating because people, they're trying to copy or model somebody because they're trying to get those people to attract the right audience. And Myron said, "You don't attract who you want, you attract who you are." And so if you're trying to be someone else, you're not going to... Because you want those customers. It's going to be weird. I remember when we launched ClickFunnels, I was trying to be like all the other internet marketing guys, because I thought I was competing against Ryan and Perry and Traffic & Conversion. So I was trying to be more corporatey businessy, like they were. Wait a minute. That's not me. I'm not going to wear a shirt and tie on stage. I'm not going to wear a suit jacket. I'm going to wear my t-shirts and jeans. And I'm going to talk about my family and God and wrestling and things I'm excited by. And I don't care about agency, not that I don't care agency, but I don't care about... I'm going to speak to the entrepreneur, because that's who I want. Wherein Ryan and Perry, literally, one of their Traffic & Conversions were, "This is less for the entrepreneur, more for your teams and your staff." It's crazy now because you look at the... I thought we were in the same market, but as soon as I leaned into who Russell was, it's separated. And it's not that one's better or worse. They're different, but if you go to Funnel Hacking Live, it’s my people. You're in the audience. Most of these people here are Christians, who are athletes, who've got kids, who are entrepreneurs, who are not doing this for the money, but doing it because they want to change the world. That's the overwhelming percentage of our audience. Not everyone. But as a whole we attract who we are. So lean into that, because otherwise you're going to attract people you don't like, and you're going to hate your life, and you're going to hate your business, you're going to hate your customers. But you put yourself out there, the people who do not resonate with you will leave on their own. You don't have to kick them out. They're be like, "Russell's annoying." I get people all the time, if I mention God on a podcast or anything, they're like, "If you're talking about God, I'm out." Sweet. All right. Bye. I'm good with that. I know people are like, "I don't believe in God, but I respect that you lean into it." They're cool too. But the people who are offended leave and the people who stick are the ones you want to hang out with anyway, because you attract who you are and not who you want to bring in. Josh: And I can talk about that topic super long, but I want to keep moving on the next piece here. Russell: That's it for the first episode then. Here with Josh on the Market Secrets Podcast. We're going to transition to the next one on the next episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here's a quick breakdown of the cool things I witnessed at a recent fundraiser for my boys' wrestling team and how these salesmanship and marketing strategies can be applied to your business: 1. Building Rapport Quickly:   - The auctioneers started by sharing personal stories and jokes to build rapport with the audience, making them more receptive to the sales process. 2. Training the Audience to Buy:   - The auctioneers used a low-risk offer ($20 for a chance to win $500) to teach the audience how to bid. This technique, which I learned from Bill Glazer, is effective because it makes the audience comfortable with the buying process before asking them for larger purchases. 3. Creating Social Proof:   - The auctioneers had assistants in the audience who made noise and interacted with bidders, creating an energetic atmosphere. This approach heightened the perception of activity and demand, similar to how table rushes work at live events. 4. Identifying and Engaging Key Bidders:   - The assistants identified the most interested bidders and focused on them, encouraging higher bids through personal engagement and social pressure. 5. Leveraging Cross-Industry Strategies:   - By observing successful techniques in other industries, such as network marketing's car incentives, we can adapt and apply these methods to our own businesses. This practice, as taught by Jay Abraham, allows for innovative strategies to enhance sales and marketing efforts. For more insights and updates, follow me on Instagram @russellbrunson, text me at 208-231-3797, or join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com. You can also connect with me on Clubhouse at ClubHouseWithRussell.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here's a shortened version: Hey everyone, Russell here. I wanted to share a story about leaning in when times get tough. Recently, Steven Larsen and I were discussing the Two Comma Club X coaching program. One member, Marie, was struggling with payments. Instead of quitting, Steven told her to lean in. And she did. Despite the challenges, Marie built a successful business helping people launch podcasts. The lesson is simple: when faced with adversity, lean in. It's about doubling down and going all in, even when it's scary. I've seen this principle work in my life, from sports to business. Leaning in during tough times often leads to greatness on the other side. So, remember to lean in when life throws challenges your way. It could be the key to your success. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My personal biggest take-away from Inner Circle mastermind. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Russell Brunson shared insights on simplifying the value ladder concept. He mentioned waking up in a good mood and reflected on the evolving complexity of his value ladder over time. He encouraged listeners to start with his "Dotcom Secrets" book and outlined the concept of the value ladder, emphasizing the importance of providing value at each step to guide customers through the journey. Drawing parallels with dating, he explained how building relationships progresses through providing incremental value. Russell admitted that despite his efforts, his own value ladder had become convoluted, leading to the need for restructuring. He discussed the challenges of letting go of beloved programs to streamline the value ladder and create a clearer path for customers. Russell highlighted the benefits of a well-defined value ladder, including improved scalability and customer acquisition. He urged listeners to assess their own value ladder and make necessary adjustments to avoid a maze-like structure. Finally, he emphasized the value of self-coaching through these processes, akin to having a consultant. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russell Brunson shares a vital marketing lesson from Dan Kennedy about the difference between why customers join a business (acquisition) and why they stay (retention). Brunson recounts discovering this insight in a confidential fax from Kennedy while reviewing archives of Magnetic Marketing, a company he acquired. Kennedy’s fax highlighted that the factors driving initial customer entry are almost never the same as those that keep them engaged over time. For instance, many join Brunson’s Inner Circle to learn directly from him but stay because of the community and relationships they build. This led to the rebranding of his Inner Circle as "Inner Circle For Life," emphasizing long-term retention. This principle also applies to Funnel Hacking Live events. Attendees may initially be drawn by the promise of learning about the perfect funnel but return for the community and intangible benefits. While many industry events shrink over time, Funnel Hacking Live grows, demonstrating the power of a strong community. Brunson shares his experience at a Dan Kennedy seminar where he observed long-time followers of Kennedy. Despite Kennedy’s claim that he hadn’t introduced new concepts in decades, his followers remained loyal due to the relationships, stories, and community he fostered. Brunson contrasts this with his early supplement business, which was profitable but lacked retention, highlighting the importance of building lasting customer relationships. To address retention issues, he advises businesses to develop a culture and community that encourages long-term engagement. He references his book "Expert Secrets," which delves into building mass movements and fostering customer loyalty through identity and community. Brunson concludes by reiterating Kennedy’s wisdom: the reasons for entry and the reasons for staying are fundamentally different and not even close. Understanding and leveraging this distinction is crucial for long-term business success and customer retention. In summary, Brunson emphasizes the importance of recognizing and addressing the different factors that attract and retain customers. By focusing on building a strong community and fostering relationships, businesses can ensure long-term loyalty and success. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What I'm doing day #1 to help launch or relaunch each of their businesses. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I have just finished day number three of the Category King's Mastermind, and now I'm driving to day number one of the Inner Circle. And I just want to drop some thoughts on you of what's been happening the last couple days, my insights about some of the stuff I'll be sharing today, and a whole bunch of other cool stuff. We'll be right back. All right. So, the last three days have been insane. I think I told you guys in the last episode, we launched a new Mastermind level called the Category Kings. It's $150,000 to join, and we got 15 people to sign up in a day and a half or something, which surprised me, but it was amazing. In fact, okay, hold on for all you guys, it's been really interesting, three or four people who are in that group right now, right, "First thing Russell told us when we joined the mastermind group was to email our lists and sell a mastermind group" and one person's like "I did it and sold 20 people and made my money back the first night at Inner Circle, the very first time." And then somebody else like, "Same thing, same thing," like three or four people. So, there's one piece of advice. If you're like, "I need to make more money," and you've gotten a list, send them an email and back, Yo, I'm launching a mastermind you want in?" And I think for most of you guys, you'll be surprised what happens. So, anyway, throwing that out there is a quick win that I think all of you guys could do. It's actually really interesting. Today I'm going to be talking to the group about improvement offers versus new opportunities. If you've read the Expert Secrets book, I geeked out on there for five chapters about it, but new opportunities are what you want to sell because it attracts people who have desire and t's really good. You don't want to sell improvement offers, typically, because improvement offers only attract people who have ambition, right? People who want to improve and the people who, the bucket of people who want to improve is very, very small. Now for you guys who are entrepreneurs, who are listening to this podcast, interesting enough, you're probably one of the few people who, the small percentage of the world who actually does want to improve. And in everyone's list, there's, the majority is people who have desires and there's a small group of people who want improvement. And typically those are the people at the very, very, very, very, very, very back of your value ladder, right? It's your highest ticket people. It's the people who have ambition, right? Those are the people and they're few and far between, but they're there. And so, what's interesting, if you look at, we announced this to our list and most people were probably like, "$150,000 for a meeting? No!" But the ambitious people were like, "Yes, I want to improve." Boom. And they didn't think about it. It wasn't a hard sell. It was an easy thing. And my guess is that, on most people's lists, there's a small certain people who are looking for improvement and a high end mastermind or thing like that, is what fulfills an improvement offer, right? It's, they're going to become better smarter. Anytime you have an ER, it's an improvement offer, which is horrible for a friend and offer, but it works for high ticket. So anyway, another thing to think out there. Anyway. So I was going to talk about today, which is really fun. So I'm in a really interesting phase of the business right now where, as you guys know, we're about to launch ClickFunnels 2.0, we just bought Magnetic Marketing. So we're about to relaunch Dan Kennedy's company. We also bought Brad Callen's company, which was called Bryxen. We've renamed it Voomly because that's the core kind of product and the product line. And it's interesting because, I'm in this phase right now, where I am either launching or relaunching my core business and two other businesses. And so this mastermind has been fun for me because I'm rethinking through everything, rethinking through the problem we solve, rethinking through what our new opportunity is. Our new opportunity, by the way, has shifted over the years. And it's like, what's the new opportunity today? And then what is the… and that’s in ClickFunnels, but what's the new opportunity in Magnetic Marketing? What's new opportunity in Voomly? So as I'm teaching the stuff, it's fun for me because I'm literally in the middle of redoing these things for all the businesses I have. And so it's given me this really unique, fun experience where I'm teaching the process I'm going through in my head. And so today, for the mastermind, I have my list of 13 things that I'm currently doing and thinking through and trying to figure out for these businesses, that I'm sharing with them, as I'm going down the same rabbit hole that, they are right, because they're coming to me. To be in this group you have to have at least one or two call my club, and so they've all got a good business, but it's like, okay, I've got this business. How do I scale it? Well, usually scaling is about reinvention, right? What got you here is not going to get you you there. And it's true. The skill sets, the ideas, the thoughts that get you from zero to a million dollars are one thing. But the thoughts from a million to 10 and 10 to a 100 and a 100 to a billion are different. And so I'm going to be sharing some of my thoughts, as I'm trying to go from, whatever, 200 something a year to a billion and how do we do it? What are we thinking through? And it's ah, anyways, interesting and it's fascinating and exciting. And so, I want you guys who are listening today to look at it through this lens, right? Pretend you're consulting yourself. I thought that as I was preparing my presentation today. I was like, okay, if I was consulting myself, I've got these group people, I'm consulting them, but I'm them, right? I'm them, just maybe in a different step or different part of the journey, but how would I consult myself? What would I do? What would I say? And I started going through these things. And especially if you've read my books before, you have the playbooks of what I do and what I teach, it doesn't shift, right? It's like, "Oh there's this idea I forgot about. There's a new secret book. The fourth secret, you know, like the foundation and the foundation, the fundamentals are the same, the principles are the same, but for us it's re-going back and re-looking at them and not forgetting them. In fact, it was interesting. I was telling the story yesterday to the Category Kings that Funnel Hacking Live Orlando. So that's 2018, I believe, was the first time we launched the Two Comma Club X coaching program and it killed it. First time I ever had an eight figure day and it was insane. Right? The next year we launched Funnel Hacking Live again. Boom, same thing, eight figure day. And I was like, this is amazing! And then I did, what all smart entrepreneurs do, is the next year, I was like, "Hey, we have something that's perfect that's worked flawlessly two years in a row. Let's change everything." And so I literally changed the name of the program, the fulfillment, like how we delivered, like all the things because I thought, I had a better way to do it. There was this ER there, which means I unknowingly, unconsciously shifted it from a new opportunity to an improvement offer. And last year's Funnel Hacking Live 2020, the offer bombed we we sold like, I mean, it was good compared to what most people would think. It wasn't like we blinked, but you know, from going from two years in a row, where we do over eight figures in a day to the next year, only doing a couple a million and you've tied your cost to the event, all the stuff into this, it was a big bomb. It was a big failure for us. And while I was on stage doing the presentation, I could feel, I was like, oh no, this is an improvement offer. I forgot my own core foundational teachings, Expert Secrets 101. Ah, I've messed it up and I forgot it. even though I know this stuff, I teach this stuff, I've written about it. So it's coming back the fundamentals like, Russell! And so we, this last year, restructured it and went back to what worked before, put it back into new opportunity, launched it and boom, eight figure day. And so just, yeah, these are the things to think through, is how would you consult yourself? What would you step back? What would you do? And so I'm excited to deliver this presentation today, but hopefully gives you guys who aren't here just some ideas and some things to start looking through and how to consult yourself. Like Hormozi, a lot of you guys know Alex who joined the inner circle with the goal of making 20 grand a month and then ended up doing over a hundred million dollars in three years, which is amazing. One thing he told me, he's like, "Most people read a lot of books". He's like, "I read one book a lot of times." And for him, he said it was Expert Secrets. He read it and when it got to the end, he flipped it over, started over and read it again. When he got the end, he flipped over and started again. And it's the fundamentals, right? It's Vince Lombardi coming to his football team that are the best in the world. And first day of practice is starting saying, "Gentlemen, this is the football." And that's where these things begin. So anyway, I am almost to the event. In fact, I see a bunch of Inner Circle people walking. I'm going to wave out the window at them, "What's up guys?" Anyway, the Inner Circle who walked by, they just freaked out. Ah, so exciting! All right. I got to go because I'm about to park and get over to the meeting. I appreciate you guys. Hope you're doing well. And someday I hope you can be in the Inner Circle with me so we can hang out and talk about these things together. Until, then keep listening to the podcasts but keep dropping bread crumbs and ideas and thoughts and hints and things to help get you further along on your journey. Thanks so much for listening. We'll talk to you soon, bye everybody. 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One of my biggest "ah-ha's" and "takeaways" from day 1 of our highest level mastermind. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Seekers podcast. I'm in a good mood today. I'm in a really good mood today. I hope you are as well. We relaunched my Inner Circle. We opened a new level called the Category Kings. We had a chance to meet with him yesterday, and actually I'm driving to downtown Boise, because I'm going to be hanging out with that group again for the next two days and then my Inner Circle for the next two days after that. And so this is like a week of hanging out with my favorite people in the world, and so I'm excited. I've got some long car rides back and forth this week, so you'll probably get some episodes of me talking about what we're talking about, what's happening. And I'm doing this for a couple reasons, number one is I want you to learn from some lessons and the key takeaways that I'm getting from these events. And number two, hopefully it will inspire you to want to set as a goal someday to be in my Inner Circle, and eventually to send up with the Category Kings and things like that. So there you go with that said I'm going to cue the theme song, when we come back I'm going to share with you guys some of the cool aha I had from our meeting yesterday. All right everybody. So yeah I'm driving downtown Boise here, about to go hang out with my Category Kings, which is a small group mastermind I have with some of the Category Kings here inside of the Click Funnels universe, which is fun. When I decided, as some of you guys know I've run my Inner Circle mastermind program for seven or eight years, and then two years ago, about six months before the COVID lockdowns I decided I needed a break. And so I paused Inner Circle. I shut it down, whatever you want to call it, and decided to take a two year hiatus, actually I didn't know how long it was going to be at the time. So decided to take a hiatus and maybe it was going to be forever. But over the last two years, I missed it. For me there're different ways to learn, like you can learn from a book, you can learn from a course, you can learn from a seminar, and for me I've done all those things. I'm a voracious reader. I go through everybody's courses. I love going to seminars, but eventually for me it gets harder and harder to like mine the gold out right? Because you just are more aware of things. And I've been doing this game now for almost 20 years. And so I've been to more seminars than most of you guys probably even knew existed in our industry. So for me it gets harder and harder to find like that gold nugget. And I was in, I remember my very first mastermind group I ever joined was Dan Kennedy and Bill Glazier’s, which some you guys heard we recently acquired their company, which is such a cool thing. But in those groups it was interesting because it wasn't like I was learning, it wasn't like here's course curriculum. It was like the mastermind group, we get together, we all get share and talk, and ideas. And like that's where I started getting these nuggets of things that were just like, oh wow, I can apply that. Oh I can apply that. It was a different type of learning I never experienced before, but I fell in love with it. And I was in Bill's mastermind group for six years. And then when he retired and sold his company I wanted to go see if I could find another mastermind group to join. And I ended up joining all of them. Like all the ones I could find in my world in similar markets, I would join them all. And I never got the same experience. I didn't know why. And that was about the time I decided to launch my Inner Circle. And I think the reason why most of the masterminds I tried to join was like you join them, and there were a whole bunch of internet marketers in the group. And so everyone, I don't know, it was just, it never felt awesome. But what was cool about the Inner Circle I launched it, because we have ClickFunnels we didn't just have internet marketers who are using the platform, we had people in every market you can dream of. We have 100 and something 1000 active members now. And again, there's people that are chiropractors, dentists, doctors, people in curing cancer, wellness, health filled, people in marriage, family, counseling, relationships, dating, every market you can dream of are using ClickFunnels. And so when we opened the Inner Circle, it was crazy, because it wasn't just like, oh a whole bunch of internet marketers joined to talk about internet marketing stuff. It was like the best people in each industry joined it. And it was so cool, because now in this mastermind I was learning like what's working now in the relationship market? What's working over here in the supplement market? What's working here, because we had such a such wide variety of people. And man for me it lit up. And if you've read, specifically the Expert Secrets book, the Expert Secrets book was written in the middle of when the Inner Circle was at its peak. When people like Brandon and Calum Poland and Alex Hormozi and I could list all, the most of the names you guys know in the ClickFunnels community today were in the Inner Circle during that time. And it was fun, because I was writing that book, I would like test ideas and then I would test it on my business, have some success, I'd share it with the entire Inner Circle and within hours it was being tested in 40 different industries. And we got feedback and course correction, and tweaks back and forth and back and forth. And really the Expert Secrets book was born from that testing process inside the Inner Circle. It was so cool. Anyway, I digress. So for me after two years of having it closed down I reopened it, specifically because I missed learning. Like I've been in a weird spot where we've been growing, we've been acquiring companies, we're doing things, but I don't feel like I've been personally growing and you know growth is a big value for me. That's why I have so many books that I study so much, is I'm looking for ways to grow all the time. And so I reopened it with the excitement to start regrowing again with a small group of really cool people. So the Category Kings have 15 people in it. Each of them spend $150,000 a year to be part of it. And then the Inner Circle is $50,000 a year, and there's a 100 people in that one. And so those are the two groups, the Category Kings one was funny, I thought that was going to, I was like there's no way people are going to spend that much money. That one sold out in two days and Inner Circle, man we ended up from Funnel Hacking Live, we only presented it to people at Two Comma Club. We had a special luncheon. And from that I think we had 60 or 70 people join during the luncheon. And so anyway, so there's some context to what it is, why it is, why it's exciting, why I'm so passionate about it. So with the Category Kings, to kick off kind of this new group some of you guys have read the book Play Bigger, which teaches you how to become a category king. And I thought, how cool, and it's funny, because half of our, the Category King group are actually women. So as of yesterday I'm calling it the Category King and Queens, because there's as many Queens in the group as there are Kings. But anyway I digress, I thought it'd be really cool to have one of the authors of that book come and actually present. And so Dave Peterson came and he presented on how to like design your category. And it was interesting, because I've read the book multiple times, I've referred it to, I think he told me I was probably the top refer of his book, because I told everybody about it. And so it was interesting, because as we were preparing for this I had it in my head what he was going to do. He was going to use the principles in the book. We're going to map it out. We're going to category design. Like I thought, I really thought that was the direction we were going to go. It was interesting, because he told me, he's like, you know everything I've learned about category design for the most part happened after I wrote the book, we wrote the book based on these principles and he's like, we've been coaching for the last decade now. And he's actually now doing it in a company again. And he's like you know most of what I’ve learned about category design, I have learned since the book. And so there's a lot of things that are different. And so anyway, we had a four hour workshop with him and what was fascinating to me was we didn't cover most of the things in the book. In fact the first hour was all spent on something that seemed so simple. I'm almost nervous to tell you guys this, because you'd be like, oh that's so simple Russell. But me and 15 other people in this room of arguably Category Kings in their industries, none of us were able to really answer it. And that's what I want to share with you guys today. So the question and it's interesting, because like the way that I, the lens that I view the world at typically for me is like, okay I'm going to go find, who's my dream customer? And then I'm going to create an offer for them. That's like for me, like ground zero, that's where I begin this process. And then if you've read Extra Secrets, you know it's like, hey do we make an improvement offer? Or a new opportunity? Create a new opportunity. There's this whole thing around like down that rabbit hole. And that's where I begin. That's where I kind of start running with. And I always knew that when we're creating offers and creating products, and services and things like that, where like our goal to solve a problem. But what was interesting is that Dave asked us, he's like, what is the problem that you solve? And he showed a bunch of the big companies you're aware of. Like the billion dollar brands and most of them have like a really simple, less than 10 word statement on the problem that they solve for the market. Like for example the wetsuit guy, I don't know who it was, but like his problem he's trying to solve is I want to swim in cold water longer, but that was it. I want to swim in cold water longer, eight words right. And like, what is a wetsuit? Oh it helps people swim in cold water longer. What was the problem you try to solve? Boom this is a solution and billion dollar brand. And every company had something like that. And then he was interesting, he said that he would go to, or he was talking about some of his friends that have big companies. And he said that he started doing this exercise with them, when he'd get in the car with them, and he'd be like, Hey how's it going? How's business? Real quickly, what do you think the problem is you guys as a company solve? His friend would tell him the answer and he'd write it down, and next time they hung out three or four days later he'd be talking, he's like, wait real quick, what was the question? What is the main problem you solve again? And the guy would be like, oh, he'd tell him again, and then he'd do it again, he'd do it five or six times over the next month and a half or so. And eventually the guy came back and said, you know the seventh or eighth time he asked him, he's like, dude you got to quit asking me this. Like you keep asking and I keep telling you the problem we solve. And then Dave came back and said, actually what's interesting is I've been writing them down. He's like every single time I've asked you that question, you've given me a different answer. And the guy was like, oh my gosh. And he started looking at him and he was disagreeing with himself, not knowing it. But if you look at like, he's like I solve this problem, I solve this problem. And I solve this problem. And they kept changing around. And he said a lot of times he'll do consulting with people and they're in category design, and he'll ask everybody in the executive team, what is the problem you solve? And everybody's answers different. And then he'll ask the employees and everyone's answers different. And he's like, this is the foundation. Business is all about solving a core problem for an industry. Like what is the core problem? And what's interesting he said that if you figure out the problem correctly, he said, the category will take care of itself. Like you don't have to go and figure out the category and design, all kind of stuff. He's like it all relies on this one thing, is what is the problem you solve? And it was interesting, because as he said that, instant I'm like oh sweet I can answer this. And then I was like, wait a minute. I could answer this seven years ago when ClickFunnels first came out. That was the problem we were solving seven years ago? It was that entrepreneurs couldn't code. And so we had to make this easy drag and drop builder, oh sorry this is the solution. The problem is that entrepreneurs aren't coders, that's the problem right? And so we built ClickFunnels, because someone like me who's an entrepreneur who needs funnels, I can't code. And so it was like this simple thing. And so that was the problem we solved. Now fast forward seven years later, that's not the market problem anymore. There's a million ways that entrepreneurs can code something. There's a million Wix's and WYSIWYG editors, and WordPress and Shopify, and Etsy and Amazon, like there's a million ways to do it. So, that's no longer the core problem. Although, that's the problem that we solved initially. And so it got me thinking, what is the problem we solve today? Like the problems change in a market and an industry over time. In fact, I asked someone, I was like, does the core problem stay the same forever? And he's like, no, no. He's like there's a core problem, and you got to figure out and identify that, because that'll define the category and everything else. But he's like markets shift, markets change. And he showed this graph of the CRM industry over the last 50 years or 60 years, initially he was it was business cards. And then it was some dude figured out you could take a business card and type it into a data processor. Now you had a digital business card, and then the next wave was like... Sorry, we can come back to the problem. So the first problem is like I needed contacts. So business cards became the thing. That was the problem. And then next thing I have all these business cards, I don't know how to manage them or track them. And so someone made a program where you could type it in. It's like, oh I have a digital version, I can look at it. And if my book of business cards burns up I don't lose my business. So problem solution, and then a little while later it's like, okay this is tough I hate typing in these things. And so the next wave of that industry was card scanners, where you take a business card, you scan it and boom it's in your computer now, you've got it there. And that solved the next set of problems in the industry. And then later it was I don't just want a business card. I want a business card, but to be able to take notes. And if I talk to somebody and things like that, and it was like the first version of CRM, and he showed, was it Seabolt and showed how they became the Category Kings and they dominated. But then eventually it was like well, first Seabolt was really hard to install and all these kind of things. And that's when Mark Benioff came out with Salesforce, which was not software, it was hard and confusing and you had to have people come install it and set up. It was just web based software. And he was the very first to do SAS based software. And so like that became the next thing. And he kept showing them the industry shifting, because the problem shifts over time. And it was interesting, because in your market if you're not shifting your problem over time, someone else is going to solve the problem and that's when you lose the category. That's when the person passes you, which is so fascinating. And so the question came down to, what is the problem you solve? And so that's the thing I want to identify for you guys. And the problem that us entrepreneurs have is like, oh we solve a ton of problems. We do this and this and this, and this and this, and this and this, this and that is the wrong answer. You don't solve a whole bunch of problems. You've got to solve one problem for the category. And by doing that, by creating that, by understanding and identifying and framing that problem from there the category is built. And then we got deeper and talked about POV statements and things like that, it got deeper from there. But that was the core foundation, that again, if I was teaching, I'd be like step one find a problem, step two, what is the offer? And then like you know, and I'd go directly into that, but it's like, no, no, we got to step back to the foundation, which is really what is the problem that you're solving for the industry? When you figure that out the category will take care of itself, which was so fascinating. And again, he said, try to keep your problem statement to under 10 words. And that's hard to do. I spent 45 minutes talking about, 15 minutes work shopping it, and then I spent the next four hours like noodling on it, like try to figure this out, like what in the world, especially as I know some of you guys know we're launching ClickFunnels 2.0 soon, so like with this whole new launch, this new thing, what is the problem we're trying to solve? How do I identify? How do I structure? How do I make it so simple that it keeps us as the Category King? So anyway I hope that's helpful. Obviously there was a lot of stuff yesterday that was really, really cool, but that was the one that was like the biggest insight. It was funny, because we came back from the first workshop, I raised my hand initially, I was like, all right I don't know if it's just me, but that was really, really hard. And I looked around at everybody else, every other Category King and Queen in the room looked back and said, oh, then Kevin's like, we're so grateful it was hard for you Russ, that was really, really hard for us and we thought we were the only ones. I'm like, no, I'm going to be vulnerable here too. That was really hard. And then it was fun, because it opened the dialogue with us all trying to figure it out and work with each other. And Annie Grace, a lot of you guys know her, she spoke at Funnel Hacking Live two years ago, she actually wrote out mine and my POV statement and all these things for me, it was like I think this is what yours is. And like, anyway it was magical. So anyway that was the first half day of Category Kings and Queens. And so I'm heading into the event room now, I'm getting close actually. And I'm excited because I was up till two o'clock last night working on my presentation, because I'm going to, based off of what we learned yesterday with the problem I'm going to take that as the foundation point and then show everybody over the last seven years how ClickFunnels has built to the place it is. We've got over half a billion dollars in sales, well over that now, we built the category, we’ve done these things. So I'm going to kind of show the next phases for me to the group. I'll probably spend two or three hours going deep into that, which I'm so excited for. And this is like Russell raw, like if you guys see me live, I'm Russell polished where I'm, I've got slides, I've got things. Russell raw you get me and a black marker and that's about it. So I'm excited for these guys they're going to, for those who haven't been with Russell raw this will be my first hardcore doodle session with them going through the principles of how we build ClickFunnels into the category king it is. Things I've learned along the way, the pros, the cons, the ups the downs, and yeah stuff I don't get to talk about typically. So, that's the cool thing about these groups, if you look at our coaching programs we have all the base level stuff. And then if you come in one funnel way and courses and all that kind of stuff, but when you decide to ascend up and get into coaching with us, the first is our Two Comma Club X coaching program. The goal of that is to get somebody from where they are today to Two Comma Club. After you get done with Two Comma Club and you've made a million dollars inside of a funnel, that's when you get invited into the Inner Circle and then from there into category Kings. But it's interesting because the reason why we break it up like that, we used to always have it all together and everyone would be dumped in one coaching program. And it was tough because, or one mastermind group, but it was tough, because there're different conversations that happen at different levels. Like the conversations I'm having with people that spend $150,000 to be in a group, they have to make a minimum of five million a year, and have had to sold over 10 million. They had to have won at Two Comma Club X award. The conversations they have in that room are different than the conversation that happen in a room with people who just passed the million dollar mark. And they're different than the conversation I've going to have with somebody who is in a startup mode trying to get into Two Comma Club. So it's just fun, because again these are things I don't get to talk about, or share ever. And so the place it gets to happen is here inside Category King. So for you guys who are looking to say, okay this is the path, I'm going to hit Two Comma Club X. And then from there Inner Circle, then Category Kings, just know we do record these things and there's a private members there. So when you get to Category King some day, come in here and watch Dave Peterson's talk on Category Kings and watch my presentations from the next day. And you'll have a chance to kind of see where I went from there. So with that said, thanks for listening. This is a long episode because I got a long ride. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. I miss doing stuff like this, I'm going to try to... We have some fun updates to the podcast coming that I'm doing a few things more long form, I'm going to have someone come and interview me on some topics, because I think those make fun episodes and yeah it's going to be anyway... I'm going to be spending more time with you guys here, is my plan and my goal. 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Recently I acquired my mentor’s company, and we’re working over the next 12 months turning it around. If you want to know what we’re doing and why, listen to this episode. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I hope you guys have an amazing day. I had a really fun, interesting week working with Dan Kennedy's company, Magnetic Marketing, and a whole bunch of other cool things. Some of you guys may or may not have heard, but we acquired his company recently. And with that, we got 40 years of intellectual property. And so this episode, we'll talk about what we're doing with it all, what it's going to look like, why I'm so excited, and a whole bunch of other cool stuff. All right. So number one, how cool is this? I keep pinching myself. When I first got in this game, my first mentors, my first internet mentor really was Mark Joyner, which helped get me to a certain level. And then I started looking for more stuff and that's when I bumped into Dan Kennedy and Bill Glazer, and I started going to their mastermind groups and their events. And man, it really was like the next evolution for me is just really understanding these core principles and things that have been working since the beginning. I always kind of tease these guys are teaching how to use fax machines and the Pony Express to deliver marketing messages, because a lot of it was like direct mail bootcamps and stuff like that, all kind of older school stuff. And at first it didn't make sense to me how this stuff worked until really I started realizing through Dan that these things that we all think we are, like we think we're internet marketers, he's like, "No, no, no." He's like, "The internet is a channel. It's a media channel." And a lot of us, we think Facebook, Instagram, YouTube is media channels, but for Dan's rule, it's like the internet's one channel. There's direct mail, there's TV, there's radio, and internet is a channel. And nowadays obviously it is I think the best and the coolest channel, but the principles and the philosophies and the psychology and the persuasion and all the things that are working today on the internet are things that were pioneered and developed through direct mail, through TV, through radio. And so, so much of Dan's stuff, he's had a chance to work with everybody for the last 40 years. I say 40, not four, the last 40 years has been just kind of all around these things. And it's just like ... Anyway, so I digress. Again, when I was getting into this, I started learning those things and all the sudden I was like, oh my gosh, the things I'm learning that they did in their fax marketing or their direct mail, I can use on the internet, I can use on the Facebook ads, I can use, and for me really, it was what changed my business. And honestly, for most of you guys, your businesses, as well. A lot of you guys probably don't even know that the core foundations that ClickFunnels were built on were the principles that I learned from Dan Kennedy and that we just turned it into software and turned it something that everybody could do. So that's why it's so exciting. And we recently acquired the company, which is a huge honor for me because I have this unique opportunity and chance now to take my mentor's stuff and to continue it on and bring it into the future. And I'm excited. So this week, on Monday, Tuesday, this week, we had the existing Magnetic Marketing team, the people that are still there, the company flew out here to Boise, and we spent two days kind of figuring out what's the plans, what's the future? How do we get this thing back to the point where there's 10,000 active members on membership and there's all these things that are happening? And so as they showed up, we also had a chance to look at like, okay, what did we actually acquire here? What's all the intellectual property? And it's insane. There's 40 years of stuff. And some is not relevant, and so we're sifting through those, but most of it is some of the best stuff ever. And it's cool, because as we were building out funnels and looking at these courses that they've been selling for $2,500 or $3,000 or $5,000, and it's just like, they're not selling a lot of them. I'm like, ugh, it's because they just need to be packaged differently. But I also think that the pricing is different nowadays than it was 15, 20 years ago, even. And so what's going to be cool is we're taking, you know, Dan's written, I don't know, 20, 30 books, we're taking each book and we're figuring out what courses sync with it, what content fits in this process. And we're building out new funnels, like book funnels that take people through all the products and the courses and the events that Dan did related to each book. Every book he wrote, he wrote a book and then they'd do an event teaching it and then they would do workshops and they'd do all these things. And so every book has got like an archive of stuff that nobody's ever seen before, which is insane. And I'm going through the archives. I'm like, oh my gosh, I thought I owned everything Dan ever had, and I had never seen this, never seen this, never heard of this. And so it's just so exciting. We're having a chance to come pull things out and plug them in and all these things. But as excited and as nerdy as I am in this process, the thing I wanted to share with you guys is that the things that you are learning, the principles you are learning, the things that you've been, especially going deep with me and you've been reading DotCom Secrets, Expert Secrets, Traffic Secrets, literally all we're doing is using that playbook. I'm coming in to this company where I learned a lot of these principles with, but the company's been sold twice since Dan and Bill ran it. So they've fallen away from a lot of the core principles that made them great initially. And so what we're doing literally is like, hey, what's the value ladder? Okay, what is the front end offer? Okay, here's the funnel, what do we need? What's the free plus shipping? What's the order form bump? What's upsell one, upsell two? What's downsell? You know, like walking through and then, okay after someone buys this, where's the next step we take them? What's the next tier on the value ladder? How do we move them up one tier? And then okay, from there, what content do we need, what pieces, and we're kind of just literally just taking the same blueprint that you guys have been learning forever. I laid the blueprint out for you guys, like this is the blueprint. It doesn't deviate. It doesn't change. It's the same for every business. I don't care if you're selling info, products, or coaching, or physical products, or dental, you know, cleaning people's teeth, or if you are doing chiropractic adjustments. It doesn't matter. It's all the same. The framework's the same. It's like a house. The framework's the same. You have a bathroom. You have a kitchen. It doesn't matter if you're making a $30,000 house or a $30 million house, the framework's the same. And so we're just bringing up the same frameworks you guys have been learning and studying and then taking all of the pieces, the content, the copy, the assets and everything, and just plugging it into that framework. So I wanted to share that with all you guys, because I know that, and I'm probably one of the causes of this because I get so excited and I want to launch a thousand funnels because I know the profits, I know how they work. I can just do it over and over again. And so we roll out a lot of things. But if you actually look at this strategy, me coming into this new company and having 40 years of intellectual property and a million courses and products and all this stuff, the strategy is the same. It's the same thing. And so if I was you guys and you're still not sure what to do, start there, start with the DotCom Secrets book, read the book and say, okay, what's the value ladder? What's funnel number one? What's offers inside of funnel number one? And coming back to the basics. I get people, it's crazy, on Instagram, I don't know if you guys ever click over to the other tab, which is messages that don't go in the inbox. I look at that probably once a week or so, just to see if I'm missing any conversations with people who I need to be having conversations with. And I look over there just to make sure I'm not missing anything. And as crazy as it is, I will tell you that each week there are probably anywhere from 20 to 50 people that message like, "Oh your stuff's so good. Where do I start?" Or, "I love your stuff. I can't figure how to get started. What should I do?" Like oh my gosh, you guys, this is simple. Read book number one. That's why I wrote the first book, so you'd have the foundation. Go read DotCom Secrets. The same thing that we're doing now, after we acquired this huge company, it's like okay, apply principles. It reminds me of Vince Lombardi. They said the first year of every football season, he'd walk out to his team. We're the best in the world, you know? And he'd hold the football and be like, "Gentlemen, this is a football." And he's just showing them, here's the foundation, here's the beginning. Here's the start of this. And I think that's what sometimes we forget, is we're trying to figure out the secret ninja, Facebook advertising hack, and the this and the that. And it's like, no, no, no, come back to the fundamentals, come back to the foundation. Gentlemen, this is a funnel. Right? Okay. Which funnel is it? Value ladder, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then you're just plugging the pieces into the model that's been proven to work over and over and over again for decades. And like I said, initially, it's the stuff I learned from Dan and learned from Bill, and such an honor to have a chance to come back. In fact, it's funny, because I was like, I'm going back to the advertising archives. We're pulling all the old sales letters back from when Dan and Bill ran the company. It's like, okay, this is what we need to see, because this is when it was done correctly. You know, everything in the last decade, since some of the other people who bought the company, they messed up the model. They didn't understand the model. They bought it, not understanding it. And they jacked the whole thing up. We're coming back, thinking back to the foundations, back to the fundamentals. What worked before? How does this work? Plug in the system. And so I'm excited. You guys will see the first iteration of what we're doing. We'll be launching probably the first week in January or maybe the last week in December. Not quite positive, but around there. And then over the next 12 months, you'll see the process. You'll see it happening in real time. You'll see, oh, there's the front end of the value. Oh, he's moving us up a step. Oh, from there we're moving to the high ticket. Oh, from there there's a continuity. You'll be able to see it rolled out in real time over the next 12 months, which will be really, really fun. So I'm pumped. I'm excited. Hope you guys, are as well, to see behind the scenes of the process. But that's what we did this week. So if you guys, if you are at the beginning of your business, I would stop what you're doing. Go reread DotCom Secrets, and then do what we just did. Do two day planning meetings. Okay, what's our value ladder? What's the funnel? What are the offers inside the funnels? What's the first funnel we're going to launch? And then just focus on that. Because we built out a whole value ladder. This is the thing that a lot of people make mistakes. They build a value ladder and they're like, okay, I've got to build all these things. And then they spend the next six years building all the things. No. You build a value ladder so you know where you're going. But then you just build the first thing. Like for us, it's okay, now we know where we're going between now and the next three months. The only thing that matters is this funnel, that's it. Nothing else matters. And blinders on. Let's go. And that's what we're focusing on for the next, well, it shouldn't take three months because we're ClickFunnels. Come on now. But the next 30 days, the next 60 days, is picking the one and focusing on it and not trying to build out the coaching program, the high ticket, and all these things in between, it's like, no, just focus on the one. The value ladder is there so we know where we're going, but we begin from our funnel and launch it and then we start the process from there. So anyway, I hope that helps. Again, if you're just beginning, go read the DotCom Secrets book, take two days with your business partner, your family, your friends, whoever you're working with, and map that out. If you've got a business that you just acquired and you're trying to figure it out, do that. If you are struggling in business and you're like, it's all chaos and nothing's working, and you're frustrated, take two days and do this. It's key. So hope that helps you guys. Anyway, we're getting close to Halloween. I've got my Inner Circle. Some of you guys know we relaunched Inner Circle at Funnel Hacking Live. We actually relaunched three different tiers. First is the Inner Circle for life, which is $50,000 a year. And we have, I think like 70 or 80 people signed up for that, which is crazy, but I'm excited to be able to bring back the Inner Circle. It's been closed for two years. And then we opened a second tier of Inner Circle called the Category Kings. And we started the pricing there at $150,000 a year. And there's only 14 spots. I was like, oh, it's going to take us a while to fill that up. We sold those 14 spots in two days and we have a waiting list of probably 30 people who are waiting to be able to send me $150,000 for that, which is insane. I didn't think that was going to happen. So note to self, I should have launched two Category King groups. Anyway, not this year, I'm too tired. And then we have a third tier called the Atlas Group, which is going to be, I know we have people on the waiting list. We haven't actually opened that one yet, and it's going to be really fun as well. So anyway, I'm excited because next week, all next week we've got five days of meetings with the first two tiers of Inner Circle and it's going to be a lot of fun. So anyway, I'm sure I'll probably box you, or not box you, probably do podcast episodes somewhere during that window next week and share some of the insights and the ideas and things that are happening there. And if you want to be in the Inner Circle someday, I always tell people this is where you're ascending to, get in my Inner Circle. That's where I have a chance to work really close in very small groups with you guys. So that is a goal. Nowadays you have to be a Two Comma Club winner to qualify for it. So set that as a goal. Get your Two Comma Club and then get in the Inner Circle with us, coming out, because there's a lot of fun stuff happening. All right, thanks everybody. Appreciate you all for listening, and excited to show off what we're going to be doing behind the scenes with Magnetic Marketing, Dan Kennedy's company, over the next 12 months. Thanks everybody, and we'll talk soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here is the exciting wrap up of the final two days of this year’s Funnel Hacking Live event! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. All right, I'm going to break down day number three and day number four of Funnel Hacking Live for you. All right, so day three is where we start transitioning into... For me, if I go in very funnel specific, I like taking people through on this day, the bottom of the value ladder, moving up, and just showing a lot of different ways to build funnels, because there's so many different ways to do it. You can have book funnels, and challenge funnels, and webinar funnels, and high ticket funnels, and a million other things in between, summit funnels. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff, and so on day three I started going into this. And the very first person that we had speak in the morning was Kiana Danial, and she's someone who has been on every news channel a million times, Fox news, CNBC, all the business stuff, talking about investing and things like that. And she thought that was going to make her a bunch of money, but it didn't. And she ended up joining our Two Comma Club Coaching Program a couple of years ago, and we got her focusing on driving all that traffic to a funnel, and in no time she became a Two Comma Club winner. And so it was cool having her tell that story, just showing all these things that she thought meant it was going to be money like, "I thought I'd be on TV on all these shows all the time. I thought these things were going to be the things that made me money, but it wasn't. It wasn't until I actually had a funnel, I had a way to convert people into customer, that I started making money. And so it was really cool hearing her presentation. And then after that, we started moving up the value ladder. So next was Pedro Adao, and Pedro has become infamous for challenge funnels, not like challenge funnels like The One Funnel Away, which is a paid challenge funnel, but doing free challenge funnels. And Pedro talked about that, and he was awesome, he was on fire people went crazy. This is actually important, the one reason I had Pedro in here is because inside the new Two Comma Club Coaching Program, if somebody chooses the expert route, the first eight weeks we focus on them all doing a challenge, and so it's fun for them, they'll see through Pedro what these challenge funnels look like. And then later in the pitch, we would come back and say, "Oh, that thing that Pedro did, we're going to be doing that." And Pedro is going to be one of the coaches helping on that, which is really cool. So Pedro talked about free challenge funnels. After he was done, then Peng Joon, he’s one of my favorite speakers, but he was stuck in Malaysia. We almost didn't know if he was going to come, he's like... Anyway, it was a big deal to get him here, and luckily he made it to the States. And what was cool is he showed how you can basically take a 30 minute presentation and turn a 30 minute presentation into an entire business, and he showed how he did it. With last time we spoke at Funnel Hacking Live, he took his presentation, he made it a book, and from there he had an upsell of the audio book, and the episode, the done for you version, and the done with you version, and he showed the whole process, how you can take one 30 minute presentation and turn it into entire business, and lead with the book funnel, and that was really cool to see that. I think it's something that most people could do pretty simply and pretty easily. After Peng Joon, then we started moving up the value ladder a little higher to Lauren Golden, and Lauren, she's built her empire, and she won multiple Two Comma Club awards, primarily through webinar funnels. So she talked about webinar funnels, showed her process there, and then she talked about other bunch of the cool things that she was really excited talking about as well, but it was the next phase of the value ladder, is like, "Hey, here's a webinar funnel." After Lauren was done, then Sarah Petty had been doing live event funnels and crushing it, and doing huge volume. The market she serves are photographers. A lot of times people think, "Well, there's not much money in photography. Photographers aren't going to pay for high ticket things." But Sarah does these virtual live events and gets photographers on them, and then from there sells a really expensive high-end coaching, and they're killing with it. And it's just really cool to see cause they do a lot of just things that I don't think through. I don't know if it's like feminine masculine, or maybe she's just more creative than me, probably that one. Anyway, but all these cool things where when someone signs up for a virtual event, they get this box, and the box has them unlocked like, "Open this thing first, this thing second, this thing third." Takes them through this whole journey, but that's what Sarah talked about, which was amazing. And then, after that, then Eileen Wilder spoke about high ticket sales, and her presentation was really fun for me because she quoted a lot of the old time personal development people who I'm studying right now, and so it was fun for me because I was like, "I'm reading about these people right now." And she's quoting them, and she's talking about them, and her presentation was awesome. That got my wife all fired up. Collette was like, "Eileen got me on fire. I got so excited about everything." And so hers was awesome. And the whole morning, it was just power-packed, and fun, and exciting, and everybody ran over on time, so there was all the stress for me and everyone on our team, but man, it turned out awesome. That morning was great. So after that, then we went and we broke to lunch. Now a couple of things we did, is we broke to lunch, and we had a special lunch for anybody who'd won a Two Comma Club award in the past. And that was for a couple of reasons, number one, to give them a free lunch, but then also, some of you guys know that I've recently reopened my inner circle, and one of the qualifications to be in the inner circle is to have won a Two Comma Club award. So we had all the Two Comma Club winners at lunch, and then we told them about the inner circle and invited them to join if they wanted to, and we end up signing up a lot of people into the new inner circle, which was awesome. It was really a soft pitch, I just said, "This is what it is, if you're interested, go sign up, and then go back and have some lunch." And so it wasn't a hard pitch, it was just letting them know there's an opportunity and that's what's happening. So we had lunch, after lunch we got back, and I was excited because over the last year... So I become really good friends with a dude named Nick. I'm going to probably mispronounce the last name. He's got the hardest last name ever, so I apologize in advance Nick, if I mess up, but Nick Santonastasso. Oh, man. Anyway, if you guys know Nick, he was born with one arm and no legs. Two arms, one arm was really small though, and the other one has got one finger on it, stuff like that. I connect to him a while ago, and he was the wrestler too, which was really fun. In fact, he came to my house and I wrestled him, and we got video of us wrestling, but just someone who's such a cool dude, I just love him. And he gave a presentation called Play The Hand That You're Dealt With, and showing people that like, "Man, life is tough. You've got a lot of hard things." But he's like, "Look at the hand I was dealt yet." Yeah, because even with this stuff he's become a bodybuilder, and he's become a coach, and he's become a speaker, and all these amazing things. He was a wrestler. Just because he was born with something that would have made life harder, he has a strong mind, and he was able to do such amazing things. So it was awesome, Nick there speaking. And then when Nick got done, it was time for me to do my presentation, to let people know about our coaching program. And every year this is hard for me, because those who had studied my stuff, they know how I sell, and so I tend to start selling, they're like, "Oh, here it comes, Russell is trying to sell something." And so this presentation was a little different than a traditional perfect webinar. The elements were all there, but it was wrapped differently. But this was one where I was actually talking about personal development, which is something I haven't talked a lot about, but I've been geeking out recently. I'm working on a book, and so I just have a lot of stuff top of mind right now. Yes, I do that presentation about that kind of stuff, and then after the presentation was towards the end, then we talked to people about success inside of our coaching program. Every year we redesign Two Comma Club X. We make it a little different, we get feedback and make tweaks and changes. And one of the biggest things that we're noticing now is that half our audience are people who want to be experts, and half our audience are people who are selling physical products. And our coaching is always steered more so towards people who are experts, because that's what I'm better at, right? And so this year we decided to partner with Alison Prince, who is someone who I just have so much love and respect for, and we decided to break it down into two tracks. There's one track that's the e-comm track, and one track that's the expert track, and people will get to pick which one they want. And Alison also helped us line up momentum coaches, and a whole bunch of other amazing things, and just really tweak the program in a powerful, powerful way. And when I did the presentation, I got to bring Alison out to talk about it as well. And people hadn't met Alison yet, so it was a weird thing to figure out how to do the presentation, to get people weaved in to get to know her in a short period of time. And then, also from there do our pitch, a new coaching program. And so what's cool with Alison, she, I don't know, she made 40 or $50 million on physical products, it's crazy. But when I met her, she was trying to learn how to become an expert. And so it's fun because I was able to tell her story about... Or excuse me, I told the story, but she told it as well, like, "I wanted to learn how to be an expert, and so I came to Russell, and he taught me these things, we did the webinar together, and boom, and I built this whole thing where Alison's won two Comma Club Awards, two Comma Club X, and this year she won two Heart Awards , which means they gave over a million dollars to charity. And she was like, "I was able to do that because of the expert business that Russel taught me. And then we were able to flip the tables and be like, "Now, Alison sends out physical product stuff. In fact, two weeks ago, I decided I wanted to see how well her stuff worked to see how much we could do, so we followed her process and put together an e-comm product, and we launched it, and we ended up doing, I think it was 15 or 16 grand in two weeks off of just following Alison's process. And I'm like, "This stuff actually works, this is so cool." And so we had both those case studies and like, "These are the two paths. Who here wants to be experts who wants to be e-comm?" It was a 50/50 split. I'm like, "Okay. Cool thing is that you can pick whatever you want in the program." And then from there we sold the Two Comma Club X Coaching Program. And then after people signed up, Todd and I got pictures of all the buyers. So they have a picture of me and them and Todd up on stage they can look at as they're trying to work towards winning Two Comma Club award. And so that went really, really well. Sales crushed it, Alison is so good. And after dinner, then we had Alison come back and do a whole hour long workshop, teaching her process and how it works, and showing all the things. And so she did her presentation after dinner, which was really, really cool. And then we soft pitched TCCC again before we went to bed that night. That's what happened at day number two, and so it was amazing. We got to go through the entire value ladder doing funnels. We had a chance to hear Nick just motivate the heck out of you, and you get excited about what's possible. And then I got to do my personal development stuff, and then Alison, and Alison got to come in and talk about physical products. So that was the end of day number three, and at day number four, and I'm just going to go directly to day four, because three and four weave together. Day number four is where I came out in the morning, I did a presentation called Bootstrapped, which is how we built our business, we bootstrapped it. And I actually announced a new award called the Bootstrapped Entrepreneur of the Year Award. I talked about that, and then my twins were here at Funnel Hacking Live this year. So I brought them on stage, helped me show the new awards, which are insanely cool. And I did a presentation showing how we bootstrapped ClickFunnels, and ups and the downs, and told that story. And then we did what's called the re-pitch, which is basically like, "This is the last time, it's time for the coaching program, go and do it now." And we took a break, and people signed up, and that was the end of the selling part of Funnel Hacking Live. And then from there on out, it's usually for me, I get to relax and just enjoy the rest of the day, which is awesome. And so the next presentation after the break was Garrett J White. and those who know Garrett, Garrett spoke at every Funnel Hacking Live in the past. He's usually, traditionally, the one I have to go and warn everybody that he's going to curse a lot, and if they need to, they can leave. And every year I get people who complain because of Garrett, but I also get people who tell me it's the thing that changed life the most. And so I didn't know what to expect with Garrett, as I don't normally know. And this year he came out all in white with a choir, and it was an interesting presentation. He's recently found Christ, which is amazing. And so he came and he did his presentation, where weaving business principles in with God and with Christ, and they had choirs singing, and it was powerful. But at the same time I had people who were offended about that. And anyway, I don't know, I love Garrett, he gets people to move. It doesn't matter which side, him dropping the F-bomb from stage, him talking about God from stage, either way I get complaints. But at the same time, people don't complain, all are just like, "That was the most amazing thing ever." Anyway, so it's always this weird thing. Not a weird thing, it's always an amazing thing, but it's always just this tension for me of just like, "What's going to happen? What's he going to say? How's he going to say it?" Anyway, that was Garrett. And then from there, we broke to lunch, and we had a big welcome lunch for everyone who was a Two Comma Club Member who signed up, which was really, really cool. And then, after lunch we had Tim Ballard who flew out, which was cool, and so we had him to come and say hi to everybody and talk about the Save a Child Challenge that we launched on day number one, and how much money we had raised, and Tim thanked everybody, which was really cool. I hadn't seen him in a while, it was a really good seeing Tim, and him and his team are just... They're amazing, all the things that they're doing. And there's a whole bunch of people talking negative about them online, there's things that are not true. People have asked me, "Is this true? Is this true?" I'm like, "No, this is not true. These people are lying. They're horrible people who literally are trying to get in the way of saving children." It's the most demonic, evil thing in the world, but Tim and his people have such good hearts. They're there saving people from Afghanistan. Tim's running the Nazarene Fund for Glen Beck, which is saving thousands of kids, and plus he's running the whole O.U.R thing, and it's heavy. And you could feel the weight on his back and his shoulders, carrying this mantle. And anyway, I was grateful to be able to have him there, and hopefully give him a little rest, and show him that people love him, and they're grateful for the work he's doing. So that was cool. And then after that, then Tony came and spoke. And Tony, every year, we never really know how long he's going to talk for. Anyway, this year our contract was three hours, but I think it's the first time Tony's been on stage in front of a whole huge group of people as well, and so he went and he did his presentation for three hours, and then he kept talking, and had it going for six hours on stage, which was crazy and super awesome. So we had Tony talk for six hours. Yeah, he's kept going and going, and he just loved it. He asked me, "What time do you think I need to stop?" Like, "Dude, just keep going. People are here, they're happy, don't stop." So Tony went on for six hours, which was awesome." And then when he got done, we got on stage Todd and I, and wrapped the event up, and that was it. And that was Funnel Hacking Live 2021. And every year we're putting things together, it's just like an insurmountable task like, "How do we sell the tickets? How do we get people to show up?" And this year is even bigger because of COVID, and the restrictions, and the problems, and just all the things that come with that. But man, after going through the whole process and I see how many people's lives were changed, people that have their big aha's, the big things they were hoping for, people who were stuck, who got unstuck, people who were able to go to the next step with us to the higher coaching, people who are so excited about ClickFunnels 2.0. Just all the things, and then getting all of our funnel hackers together, and having people together to... The whole thing, it was amazing and magical, and I'm grateful for all of you guys who came and participated. If you didn't come this year, make sure to be here next year. Next year, hopefully, there'll be less chaos in the world. There may be more, I don't know, but regardless, the party's happening, it's going to be in Orlando. And hopefully you can be there. So you can get your tickets at funnelhackinglive.com. But that's some of the behind the scenes. Hopefully helps you guys to see some of the detail people talked about, but even more so, how we structure these things for a maximum sales, maximum impact, all those things. So hope it helps. I appreciate you all, thanks for listening, and we'll talk to you guys all again soon. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Russell has fun explaining everything that went on behind the scenes of day two at this year's Funnel Hacking Live event! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russell goes on a deep dive, explaining all the fun things that went on behind the scenes of the first day of this year's Funnel Hacking Live event! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. It's been a little while since I've talked to you personally. That's not completely true. You guys have been listening to some of the Traffic Secrets episodes over the last few weeks, but right now I'm recording this episode about two weeks after Funnel Hacking Live 2021 is over. And I wanted to share some of the thoughts, some of the behind the scenes, some of the craziness and chaos that happened, and how we pulled off the biggest events since the coronavirus has hit inside of our industry. So with that said, I'll queue up the theme song. When I get back, we'll hang out and talk about the event. All right. So first off for those who came to Funnel Hacking Live that was so much fun. Thank you for coming, for participating, for playing all out. Folks who weren't able to come, but watched from home, thank you as well for participating. I hope you guys enjoyed it. It was really cool. This is our first year ever doing a hybrid where we were going to have people in person and at home. And honestly, I've never told anybody this, but about 30 days before Funnel Hacking Live actually happened, we had to make the decision if it was going to happen. And it's one of those weird meetings where it's like, "Do we do this? Or do we not?" Because COVID numbers are spiking and all sorts of like just the chaos and just all the things that were happening. And we had to basically put down a down payment on Hogwarts because yes, we rented Hogwarts for the inner circle and two comma club winners. And so that was like the drop dead. We have to write a check right now for, I don't know how much it was, quarter million dollars or whatever it was for Hogwarts. "Are we do this or not because there's no way to get this money back if we decide to not do Funnel Hacking Live," and I was like, "Wait, we may not be doing Funnel Hacking Live?" And they're like, "Well, this is the last shot to change it." I'm like, "Ah." So there's all the fear behind that. So finally, I was like, "All right, we're doing it. Put the money down. This is happening." As we got closer to the event, one of my kids got COVID at school and we're like, "Oh no," because I was like, "I don't really care. I'm not too nervous about getting COVID." Other than if I get COVID during the event, like that would be tragic, right? Like everyone's coming to hear me talk about funnels and stuff. And if I'm not there, I can't speak. Or are people can get on stage and get their pictures with me or all the different things. Give their awards on stage and it could have ruined the whole event for so many people who'd put it in life savings for some people to come and travel here and to be part of this thing. I got really, really nervous and so I started doing everything you can dream of to protect myself and my health. I was taking every pill and powder you can dream of. I had my natural path coming and doing I.V. drips throughout the day, so I'm working while I've got bags of stuff, hooked to all my veins and all the chaos to try to make sure that we could stay healthy for the event. We also normally fly commercial there, but I was like, "Anything I can do to minimize my exposure until the event happens the better." So we flew private out there and we got to FHL and we got their day earlier than I normally do, which was actually really nice. A chance to get to see everything and watch things get set up. You could tell there was something about year that was just different. The energy in the hallways. And you saw people was just, you could tell people missed being around each other and missed networking and all that kind of stuff. And so everything started building up towards that. And I remember the night before, so we did our big party at Hogwarts. We took the inner circle members and two comma cup winners and two comma club X-ers and all of our high-end coaching people to Hogwarts and we rented the whole thing out, which was crazy. So we got to be hanging out in Diagon Alley, and ride a Gringotts ride, and then get butter beer and just hang out and network. It was really a really cool special time for, I think everybody. But for me, I had to like leave a little early cause I was like, "I'm still not done with my slides," as Russell normally does. In fact, we brought our two twins. One of them was just like, "Dad, you're still not done with your slides" like this is crazy." I'm like, "I know I just- there's so many of them to do." Anyways, went back home that night and got everything ready. The next day was Funnel Hacking Live day. Those who haven't been to our event before, we don't start till like noon on day one, which gives us the morning to keep getting people registered and just gives me the morning to kind of prepare and make sure that I'm ready. It's scary when you start at nine. That means you have to be up by like six, preparing. Day one, we start at noon, which is really, really nice. And this day one was going to be interesting for a lot of reasons. Number one, it was the first time we had a virtual audience at home plus our normal people in the audience. And so there's kind of that dynamic that we had to kind of figure out at first, but also this year was our Click Funnel seven year birthday. And so I got up of very beginning and talked about entrepreneurship. Excuse me, I have a cough right now. I'm kind of recovering from, from Funnel Hacking Live, honestly. Anyway, and so I did my initial presentation and then I brought Todd out because we had something that we've been secretive and kept secret for the last, over a year now, which is, which is crazy that I kept a secret that long. You guys should be so proud of me. I'm not, I'm not very good at keeping secrets, but we announced that we are about to launch Click Funnels 2.0 and people went crazy. We kind of talked about it a little bit and I said, "You guys want to see a video of people who've actually seen Click Funnels 2.0?" and everyone went crazy as we watched this reveal video of just everybody watching it and freaking out. And it ended. And I was like, "Who here wants to see Click Funnels 2.0?" And they all went crazy and I was like, "Cool, tomorrow's our birthday. And tomorrow we're going to show you all inside everything." And it just like got quietly, just dead, quiet, awkwardly, quiet. I was like, "Oh crap, what do we, what do we do now?" And then I didn't know how to transition. That's when Todd is going to transition off stage and I was going to start the keynote presentation that I was going to give. It was just this weird thing. And I was like, "Okay, well, thanks, Todd." He kind of walks off. I totally messed that part up. And then I turned around and looked the audience and they were all just like, "You're really not going to show it to us right now?" I was like, "No, if I went to my first presentation," excuse me, which was one I was really excited for, it's called advanced funnel audibles. But because of the weird energy, I feel like the energy kind of dropped with my not giving them any info on 2.0 and do that next presentation. And it was the more advanced one. And I was so excited for that one, but I didn't feel like that one nailed it. I don't know when you're on stage. You can, you can feel like which one's like, "This crushed it," and which one's kind of you're like, "That didn't quite go perfect." And so I did the presentation. I think again, it was great, but it just didn't land. The energy wasn't what I wanted when I was sharing that. I wanted that to be my kickoff. So that was kind of one of those things where it's like, I think people understood what I was talking about. Blown away, but the energy just kind of wasn't... Anyway, this is me re-second guessing everything. I want to go back and redo day number one. But after that, then Anthony Trucks came and spoke on identity shifts and he was amazing. I've known him for quite a few years, but it's the first time I'd ever seen him speak in person and he just brought the level of energy and excitement that he brought was amazing. And just talking about his life and how many times he had these identity shifts in his life and how it affected everything and how to actually be able to take your identity and consciously change it, to be able to get the outcome that you're looking for in life. It was really, really cool. So Anthony spoke. After that Kaylin Poland came and spoke, which is exciting, because I wanted her to show how a lot of times people aren't in our industry, in our Click Funnels world, they think, "Oh, why sell physical products?" Or "I sell info products." Or they have a thing that they do. And I was trying to have Caitlin show that, no, you have a customer and you serve that customer. Right? And you do it through all means possible. You can sell them information, or physical products, or supplements, or coaching, or clothing, or whatever, your job is to serve those people. And that's the focal point. So she showed how they'd done that, Lady Boss, and how they've grown this huge company because of it. And that was really, really cool. After that, then we brought Stu McLaren on stage and we were able to give him a check for him and his wife's charity called Village Impact. And that's the group that I go to Kenya with every... Man, almost every year seems like. We're going in March, I believe, as long as it doesn't get canceled. But when we first launched Click Funnels, we set up where every time somebody builds a funnel, we donate a dollar towards the Village Impact and so this year's check was crazy. It's over $200,000, which was so cool and it's going to help so many amazing kids over in Africa. That was really fun. And then we also had a chance to launch a new site we'd built for Operation Underground Railroad called the Save a Child Challenge. And so we launched that at Funnel Hacking Live, which was really, really cool as well. And that was kind of everything before dinner. And then we fed everyone dinner there, because we wanted to keep people close around. And then that night we did workshops. Typically, if you've been to Funnel Hacking Live, in the past we do these round tables and everyone has a chance to be around the round tables, but because of COVID restrictions and stuff, we thought it'd be better to just do breakout rooms kind of. We had four breakout rooms. Jim Edwards went and talked about copywriting and he helped everybody actually build out their customer avatar, which is really cool because it's the foundation of all copy where most people never even do that. So he got them to actually build that out, which was really, really cool. Catherine Jones was back this year again, and she talked about funnels and building funnels and she did an amazing job as well. Rachel Miller came and talked about free traffic, which was really cool. And then Myron Golden talked about sales. And so those four people run these hour long workout workshop rooms. And while I was sitting there, I was supposed to be doing this other presentation that I was really excited for, but I was still kind of bummed about my my earlier presentation. I was like, "I don't want to give this. I just want to go home. I'm so tired. I want to go to bed. It's been such a long, stressful day," and all of a sudden people started filling back in the rooms and I'm like, "Oh man, I got to do this." And so I got on stage and I did my second presentation for the day, which was called Virtual Real Estate Secrets. And for whatever reason, I never know which ones are going to hit or not hit. But for whatever reason, the energy during that presentation nailed it. People were excited, they were on fire. They were just excited about the possibilities. What I was showing them was, I've talked about before on this podcast, but sometimes we talk about trying to build this huge empire. We're going to have tons of followers and fans and all these kind of things, but the reality is there's other ways to make money online too. And I talked about how in real estate you can buy a house and you can flip it. You can buy it and you can rehab it. You can buy it and you can put renters in it. There's all these things you do with real estate and I’m like, you can do the same things with virtual real estate, these little websites, these little funnels. And so I had like probably a dozen examples of little businesses that I've built that are just kind of running on autopilot, my little virtual real estate empire. And I kind of showed those things. And anyway, I think it was really cool because I think a lot of people, it opened their mind like, "Oh my gosh, I could do that. I could do that." And I started helping them just have ideas, of ways that they could get started easily without having to stress about, "What's my message going to be and who are my people," and all the things I think a lot of people get nervous about. So it's like, "Well, don't worry about that right now. Let's just make some small businesses. Make a business cash flows you a hundred bucks or 500 bucks or a thousand bucks." These are really easy to do when you understand the basics, so that was really fun one. And that wrapped up day number one, which was really cool. So anyway, I'm going to do a couple episodes, kind of talking about some of the core things that we did in this event. Throughout I'll also talk about the things we do during the event to help stimulate sales later in the event. Because you guys come to me, you want to learn marketing. So how do we use Funnel Hacking Live? How did we, did we use it to generate well over $10 million from the event? And so I'll talk about some of those things, but it all started on day number one. Day number one, the goal is to blow their minds, get them where like, "Man, if this is all I got this was still worth it." That's the first thing we want people thinking. And then also is helping them understand that there's a vision bigger than you. So you've ever noticed that Funnel Hacking Live day number one, we always have some kind of charity component where they're watching me give money to charity. And then also we're asking them to give money to charity because it helps train people on how does the room work if you're going to give somebody money, where do you go? Like where's the back of the room, where's the table? But also it shows that me and Todd, who are the ones who run this company, run the event like that. That we don't just say this stuff. We practice what we preach. We're donating money. We're giving money. In fact, you'll notice, we'll talk about this later, but on day four, whatever money people give to the Save a Child Challenge, we matched it. We're trying to show that like, "Hey, we also are doing these things too. I'm not asking you to anything that we're not willing to do as well." And so it all kind of starts with that day number one is blowing their minds, making them see that you're doing the same things you're asking them to do and just giving them a really good experience. And that's kind of how the very beginning of Funnel Hacking Live went this year, 2021. So those who were there, if you enjoyed it, please, take a picture of this podcast episode and tag me in it and let me know what your biggest favorite thing was from day number one, there's so many cool speakers, so many cool things. For me, my favorite thing I think was my last presentation, when I did the virtual real estate presentation, I can just feel the energy was perfect. And everyone was so excited. That and also the Initial Launch 2.0. I did the whole teasing thing and everyone's energy dropped. It was still cool to be able to finally talk about this thing that we've been talking about for so long. We were so excited to share with the world. So anyway, there's day number one at Funnel Hacking Live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Enjoy another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want your Dream influencers to start promoting you, your business, and your products? It took Russell a decade of relationship building to get some of his biggest influencers. But now he's figured out the FORMULA. You'll learn... Why building a platform is the BEST way to infiltrate your Dream 100. How to choose what TYPE of platform you should build. Why you should publish NEW CONTENT every single day for an entire year. Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey everybody, this is Russell. Welcome back to our fun hangout time in quarantine, every single day. I am trying to set up, I'm sitting in a different spot, so I can actually sit in a chair today, because the last two weeks I've been sitting on the floor and my legs are burning. So we're hanging out a little differently. Hopefully this still works and you guys can all hear me. And right now, we are live on Facebook and Instagram, and I'm excited to be hanging out with you guys today. So, it is Friday. We are a couple of weeks into this whole crazy quarantine now. I think I told you guys, Boise officially got locked down a couple of days ago, which is good for you guys. Means we all get to hang out more often here, and we're going to start sharing more things from the books. And I'm curious, how many guys have had a chance to listen to the entire audiobook? I know that the new Traffic Secrets book doesn't actually ship until May fifth, but the audio book is available. I sat in a theater, or studio actually, for seven days. It took me three days to read the Traffic Secrets book, two days to read the DotCom Secrets, and two days read the Expert Secrets book. I got audiobooks done of all three of the new updated versions, but curious how many guys actually had a chance to listen to the whole thing? I know a bunch of guys were like, "I'm going to buy it. I'm going to get the audio book, and I'm going to listen to the whole thing before tomorrow." So hopefully a bunch of you guys had a chance to listen to it, which would be really fun. So, all right, Chris Baden said, "Me." All right, so, good. If not, it's time to... What are you guys doing? We're sitting around doing nothing anyway. Might as well be listening to sharpen your saw, sharpen your mind, and getting prepared for what's coming next. So, Austin said, "Russell, BJJ or wrestling?" Come on, now. Wrestling is the greatest sport of all time, but BJJ is number two. So, it is good. All right, are you guys excited for today, I'm going to read some more of the book. In fact, we are finishing up section number one today, here inside Traffic Secrets. I'm going to open this thing up. And this is the box set, this is the trilogy. And it's funny, I sent this to Liz Benny, a picture. I'm like, "This is the trilogy." And she's like, "Russell, there's four books. A trilogy only has three." And I was like, "Crap." Well, I'm like, "This is the trilogy, and this is the workbook that goes with the trilogy. So there's four books in a trilogy." I don't know. "Trilogy" sounds cooler. So, there you go. And check this out, if you see the book... Can you guys see the box set? It's really cool. It says, "The Secrets Trilogy by Russell Brunson." On the back, it's got the Dotcom Secrets is the framework, Expert Secrets is the fire, Traffic Secrets is the fuel, and then Unlock Secrets is your playbook. And then this side is a quote, I don't know, it might be backwards for you guys. It says "You're just one funnel away," and then a quote from Garrett White says, "The life you want, the marriage you want, and the family want are going to be fueled by the businesses you build." And so that's kind of what's in the box set. All right. Let's open this up. We're going back in Traffic Secrets. We've been doing this every single day now for almost two weeks, which has been a lot of fun for me. And we're almost to the end. Today we're going to finish up talking about the first section of the book, which is going to be cool. So we've covered a lot of stuff. So section number one in the book is all about... In fact, if you look at the title, section one is called "Your Dream Customer." It's really understanding and mastering your customer. Where are they at? How do we find them? How do we get a hold of them? What are the hooks, the stories, the offers for you to grab their attention, to pull them into your world? Who's already congregated? How do we follow up with those people? All the things we've been talking about. And so, secret number seven is infiltrating the Dream 100. How do you do that? It's going to be really fun. And then next week, we're getting into section number two of the book, which is called "Fill your Funnel." This is now where we started breaking down different networks. We're going to Facebook, Instagram, Google, YouTube, podcasting, and a bunch of other ones. I'll show you guys a pattern of how we dominate all of those. But when you understand the pattern, what's cool about it is we'll give you the ability to dominate anything. Cause you can use this process to dominate TikToks, Twitch, the new platforms coming out next week. Xavier said, "Throwing my wallet on the screen." That's amazing. I love it. I love it. All right. So we're going to Dream 100. So, infiltrating your Dream 100. How do you get into those people? This is the question a lot of people have, cause I've been talking about Dream 100 pretty consistently now for a decade. I tell people, "Build your Dream 100. Go find those people. Network with them, build relationships, get them to promote you." Things like that. And it's funny, because some people hear me say that, and they don't do anything about it. That's the majority of people. Some people hear me, they build the Dream 100 and start contacting, but they never get in with them. They never ask them to do anything. They just kind of start the exercise, but they don't actually finish it. And so this is going to help you guys understand how to finish this exercise. How do you take this Dream 100, and how do you infiltrate it? How do you build relationships? How do you get in with them? So secret number seven, we're on page 104. Those who are following along in your books, which haven't been shipped yet. They ship May fifth though, so you should be getting them about a month from now. You guys should all start getting your books. If you don't have your book yet, or the audiobook, you can go get a free copy at trafficsecrets.com. You just got to cover the shipping, which is not that much money. I think it's under 10 bucks in the U.S., And a little more international. If you go to trafficsecrets.com, you can get it. There's a bunch of amazing videos and you get immediately the bonuses. Plus, the order form bump is the audiobook. So if you want to listen to it this weekend, you can go upgrade your order and get the audiobook, and you can listen to me reading this entire book to you. And yeah, so it's kind of fun. All right. So, infiltrating the Dream 100. So I want to tell you guys a story that I tell in the book. How many of you guys remember the Arsenio Hall Show? How many of you guys are old enough? I turn 40 this year. So, old enough to remember that Arsenio Hall Show. He's the late-night "Who, who." That's Arsenio Hall, right? Now, I remember when I was growing up, my parents would not let me watch the Arsenio Hall Show for whatever reason. I think it was cause it was late-night. But my friend's parents let him watch it all the time. So he'd always talk about it, and he was always doing that thing. And so, I remember he would tell me stories and I always wanted to watch it. I never did, until one night, we had a sleepover at his house and I got to watch the Arsenio Hall Show. It was so cool, because he would run out, and he does this "Who, who, who," and everyone's excited. He's interviewing people, and they're funny people. And it was just this really cool thing. And what's interesting is, I started doing... Oh, actually, this was really funny. After we saw that, that became our thing. That was Arsenio Hall's thing, but that became our thing. We were playing basketball, we'd dunk on someone. We'd play football, catch a touchdown, and like, "Who, who." It became all of our things, right? Oh, someone said that their aunt worked on the show. How cool is that? All right. So, Arsenio Hall Show, at the peak of it, in fact, in June 1992, Bill Clinton, who was running for president at the time, came on the Arsenio Hall Show, played the saxophone. He played the song Heartbreak Hotel, and many people said that one of the main... Not the main reason, but a big reason why President Clinton won the election is because the people who watched Arsenio Hall Show. They said it helped build his popularity among minority and younger voters, which is one of the main... Not main, but one of the major reasons why he won the election. Which is very interesting, right? Anyway, so then two years after that, Arsenio Hall Show gets canceled, right? And then how many guys have heard of Arsenio Hall since then? No one has, right? He disappeared off the face of the planet. What happened? Until a couple years ago in 2012... I can't believe it was 2012. That was really 10 years ago? I don't know what year we're in right now. In quarantine time, I don't remember what year we're in. Anyway, 2012, we're watching Celebrity Apprentice, cause that's what we do. And all of a sudden, Arsenio Hall is one of the contestants on Celebrity Apprentice. Which we're like, "This is amazing," right? So we're watching this whole thing and there was something interesting that happened. So they do different fundraisers on Celebrity Apprentice, things are happening. And then one of the episodes was a fundraiser. And so all the contestants jump on the phone, they're calling all their friends, everyone they know, they're trying to raise money, right? And every single one of the celebrities get on the phone and raise money. Somebody raise 30 grand, some raise hundreds of thousands. Everyone's got different levels of it. A couple of people raised half a million or something. Everybody raised money, except for one contestant. Can you guess which contestant that was? The only contestant that raised not even a penny was Arsenio Hall. And you see the scene, he's on the phone with his address book, and he's calling person after person after person, nobody will return his call. He's like, "Why is nobody returning my calls?" And then at the very end, they tally up, and he's the only one that doesn't get any money. And they showed us a little clip of him in the boardroom or whatever, talking to the camera. And he's all frustrated. And he just looks at it, and he says, "You know what?" He said, "When I had my own show, everybody returned my call." Boom. Okay? Now, most people missed that. But for me, it rang in my head like a bell. When Arsenio Hall had a show, he had a platform. He was able to call anyone on earth, including Bill Clinton, who was currently running for president and say, "Do you want to be on my show, man?" And the next day, Bill Clinton's on his show, playing saxophone, right? He loses his show, loses his platform. No one returns his call. People ask me, "Russell, how in the world did you get in with Tony Robbins and Dean Grasiozi, and all these people?" And I would love to think that the reason why I got in with all these guys is because I'm so nice, or charismatic, or maybe think my haircut's cool, or whatever. Right? And as much as I wish that was the truth, I know, I'm fully aware that the reason why I was able to get into my Dream 100 is because the thing that I have to offer them is my platform. That is what I have to offer people. So when I met Tony, I'm like, "Hey Tony, I've got a whole bunch of entrepreneurs that follow me. Can I interview you? Can I get to know you? Can I..." I met Dean, "Hey Dean, I want to help promote you. Hey Dean, do you want to be on my show? Hey..." And you can name off all the people in my Dream 100, everyone I've tried to get, my platform is the thing that I had to offer my Dream 100. It's the tangible thing that I own, that I control, that provides value to people who are three, or four, or five levels above me. Right? And so, for you, the question is, you're building this Dream 100, and then how are you going to approach them? Like, "Hey, Dream 100, can you do this thing for me? Can you do this thing?" They're going to say "no," right? They have enough things happening in their lives. The thing you have to offer them is your platform, but you've got to have a platform. Right? And so that's this whole secret number seven is about, is building up your platform. So what does your platform look like? Well, for everyone it's going to be different. Some of you guys... In fact, I'm going to do a poll right here. How many of you guys right now who are listening to this love to write? Like, "I love writing. If I could just write all day, I'd be the happiest person in the world." Okay. If you are someone who loves to write, the platform you need to be building is you need to be starting a blog. You should be writing. How many of you guys are like, "Writing sounds like the worst thing on planet earth. I do not want to write ever, but I love to talk." Right? Okay. Maybe for you, you should be starting a podcast. That's the platform. You love talking and speaking, that should be your thing. How many of you guys are like, "I like writing, podcasting, but I love being on video. I want people to see my face. I want them to see my excitement. Oh, this is amazing." For those, you guys should be starting a video channel, a vlog, a YouTube channel, or Instagram, or Facebook, or somewhere. You got to find the spot that you're the most comfortable. Okay? Because if you're not comfortable, you're not going to be consistent with it. That's number one, figuring out, where do you want to build your platform at? Right? And then, you've got to start actually growing it. Okay? And I have a whole bunch of stuff here, I wish I could read all of it to you. Starting on page 112, it's like, how do you find your voice? Because when you first start your own show, it's scary, right? How do you know how to talk? If you listen to the first 40 plus episodes of my podcast, they were really bad. I was shy and awkward, nervous. And people are like, "Russell, you seem like such a natural communicator. How did you become so natural at it?" I became natural because I published 800 episodes of my podcast consistently three to five times a week, every single day for the last eight years. Okay? And I've been on Facebook Live hundreds of times. And I've been on tons of other… I sound natural because I've done it a lot. I found my voice and I continue to try to develop it and make it better. But it's consistency. Okay? Before any of you guys saw me up here talking to you, it was a decade of me putting in the time and the effort of publishing, and finding my voice, and doing it over and over and over again. And so what I want to recommend for all of you guys is you need to pick a platform, whatever one it is, especially now, especially during times when everyone's stressing out. This is your shot, your chance to step up as the leader that your people are looking for, and start talking. Start sharing. Start giving faith and hope and a brighter future for your people. Now is the time. So I want to challenge you guys to figure out... If you're a writer, you're starting a blog, and I would recommend going to medium.com, starting a blog there. If you're a speaker, you're going to start a podcast. If you like video, you can start a video vlog. And I don't care if it's on Facebook Live, YouTube Live, I don't care. Pick a platform and stick with it. And then, I challenge you to publish every single day for the next year. Starting today. Not mañana, starting today. I want you to publish every single day for an entire year. Okay? And at first you're like, "I don't have stuff to talk about for entire year." I get it. Okay? But what's magic is that you start speaking, more things will come to you. Okay? As you open up your mouth, the Lord will bless you with more ideas, more inspiration, more things. As you share, as you give, as you're helping other people, more stuff will come to you. So it's very important to understand that. Okay? So you got to publish every single day for at least a year. And the reason why we do this is a couple of things. Number one, at first, you are going to be very, very bad. Okay? So you need to start publishing to be able to find your voice, this is the big part of it. If you don't start publishing now, you will never find your voice. The reason I'm good today is because eight years ago, I started publishing every single day. Okay? So you start publishing to find your voice. And first you're like, "Oh, but no one's listening to me." That's good. Cause you suck right now. So it's okay that no one's listening to you. You shouldn't worry about it. Now's the time for you to find your voice and learn how to actually speak and figure out what people actually want to hear. Number two... So number one is for you to find your voice. Number two is you have to publish long enough for people to find you. Okay? Number one, you're finding your voice. Number two, it's you're publishing long enough for them to find you. And there's a really cool blog post that my buddy, Nathan Barry, wrote on his blog. It's called Endure Long Enough to Get Noticed. I'm going to read it, cause it's one of the most powerful things I could possibly share for you guys. He said, "How many great TV shows have you discovered in season three or later? I started watching Game of Thrones after they had released five seasons. Pat Flynn had released at least 100 episodes of his podcast before I even knew it existed. I discovered Hardcore History years after Dan Carlin started producing it. This is such a common experience. There's so much content being produced that we can't possibly discover it all. So instead, we wait for the best content to float to the surface after time. If step number one in building an audience is to create great content, step number two is to endure long enough to get it noticed. Seth Godin is very generous with his time and will appear in almost any relevant podcast, but you have to have recorded at least 100 episodes first. His filter is creators who have shown they're willing to show up consistently for a long time." Oh, oh, this is so good. Do you guys get this? All right. So step number one, you're doing this, publishing everyday for a year on your chosen platform. I don't care what it is. Okay? Number one reason is for you to find your voice. At first, no one is going to be listening and you're going to suck at it, and that's okay. That's the plan. That's the process. Okay? Number two is you're doing it so that your audience can find you. If you just published three episodes, they're never going to find you. You publish 100, they're going to start finding you. You publish every day for a year, you'll have endured long enough that your people will start finding you. Okay, when I launched my first podcast, it was called Marketing in your Car. And I did the same exercise I'm asking you. I was like, "What am I going to be most comfortable with? What can I be most consistent with?" I was like, "If I do an interview show, I have to have microphones and stuff. I'll never do it because it will be too hard." But I was like, "I'm in my car every day for 10 minutes. I'm just going to record a podcast while I'm driving." So I called it Marketing in your Car podcast. And I knew I'm going to be consistent, and do it at least three times a week, and maybe more. And I had days where I did it every single day. And I did it for years. Now, I was lucky at the beginning. I didn't know how to check my stats. So because of that, I never checked my stats. And so what's amazing is, I think I was three years into publishing my podcast before I learned how to find out if people were actually listening. And I am so grateful I never knew. Cause if I had known that the first 40, 50, 60 episodes had 10 listens each, I probably wouldn't have kept doing it, if I'm completely honest. But now I've done this many. Every episode that I publish gets tens of thousands of downloads. Okay? But I had to keep doing it consistently for long enough for my people to find me. And I do it consistently long enough to find my voice. And so that's the secret to Dream 100. And then, when you have your own platform, now you can go to these people who are your Dream 100, and be like, "Hey, I've got a podcast. Yu want to be on it? Hey, I got a YouTube show. You want to be on it? Hey..." And now you have something of value to provide to them. That's the thing you have to provide your Dream 100 is your platform. That is the big secret. And some of you guys are like, "Russell, do I have to publish if I'm going to get Traffic Secrets?" You don't have to. There's a lot of ways to drive traffic. But I promise you, this will make a very holistic traffic. It gives you the ability to find your voice. It gives you the ability to infiltrate your Dream 100, to build the relationships with people you didn't have the ability to before. In fact, as you read this, it's... This is your journey, right? In your podcast, you're documenting your journey of the result you're trying to get for yourself. And here, you're telling your story along the way. I wish I could go on for two days about this alone. But my job is, I'm documenting my journey. Every single podcast, I'm telling my story. I'm talking about what I'm learning today, where I'm going, what I'm trying to figure out, as you're doing this journey to get a certain result for yourself. So don't think, "I'll start my podcast after I figure it out." No, you start today. Figure out what's the result you're trying to get for yourself. Okay? And then document your journey along the way. Every episode is a documentation. Then, in between here, this is your Dream 100. You're pulling people in and you're interviewing them. You're pulling them in, you're interviewing them, and you're building relationships. You have a chance to interview someone for 30 minutes or an hour on your podcast, on your show, on your video, you build the relationship with your Dream 100 you can't get in any other way. Okay? It opens up so many doors, so many gates, and that is the big secret. So infiltrating your Dream 100, you guys, it all starts with building out your own show. I wish that I could just fly to your house and force you to do it. Most of you won't, but the ones who do are the ones who are going to thrive during this time of economic uncertainty, okay? Your people are waiting for you. They're waiting for your voice. They're waiting for your guidance, your leadership. And unless you start doing it, they're never going to find you. And so they always say... This is an old Chinese proverb. "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is right now." So, today. This is the time you guys. You're sitting around and you're in quarantine. You got a whole weekend to figure it out. Figure out, how do we blog? It's easy. You go to medium.com, create an account. Boom. You can start blogging today. Okay? "I don't know how to start a podcast." There's an app called anchor.fm, I think. It's free or five bucks on your phone. You download it. Boom. You can be podcasting today. Okay? A video, I went to Facebook, I put "Go Live." Boom. I'm live. YouTube, same thing. You don't have to wait. Now is the time. Start publishing, start finding your voice, document your journey towards something that you're trying to create, something you're trying to learn, and just share what you're doing. You don't have to make things highly-produced. You're just talking and telling your stories and what you're learning along the way. And as you do that, two things will happen. Number one, you will find your voice. And number two, you endure long enough that your people will be able to find you. All right, guys, I got to bounce, cause I've got an interview with one of my Dream 100 starting two minutes. Yes, I practice what I preach. So I got to jump off here. If you don't have a copy of your book yet, go to trafficsecrets.com and get it. The hardbounds don't ship till May fifth, but the audiobook is available right now. So go and get it. I highly recommend get the order form bump, which is the audiobook. You can listen, for seven hours, me read this entire book to you. So by this time on Monday, when we're hanging out again, you can have this whole book in your brain and done. All right, I have to go, guys. I start in one minute. Appreciate you all. Thanks for everything, you guys. Start publishing. Now is the time. Your people are waiting for you. Let's go. All right. Thanks, you guys. Talk soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Enjoy another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want FULL ACCESS to your dream customers? What if you didn't need permission from Facebook or Google to talk to your dream customers? On this episode, you'll learn... Why your email list should be your NUMBER ONE growth metric. How Russell made his first $70 by building an email list illegally. How to convert ANY website visitor into traffic that you OWN and never have to pay for again. Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to our chance every day where we get to hangout and talk about traffic and funnels and all of the fun things. Excited to be with you guys here today. It's actually kind of cool be in this whole quarantine thing. Where outside everything looks normal and it's this weird, eerie feeling. But then inside we can hangout and be with our family, our friends, we can go live, we can share thoughts, ideas. I think this has been a really cool time for so many people to start sharpening their saw, and starting to get smarter and better about what they're doing and why their doing it and how they're doing it and all kind of stuff. So I'm excited to be here with you guys today. We're going to be talking more about traffic secrets. Today we're going to be covering the third type of traffic. Yesterday we talked about the first two types of traffic. Traffic that you control, traffic that you earned and then today we're talking about the third type, which is traffic that you... you guys know what it is? Traffic that you own. That's the best kind of traffic. So we're going to be going to that in here a few seconds. But while we're waiting for everybody to jump on and get here, I want to make sure you guys know that we're in the middle of the traffic series book launch, which is kind of fun. We've been selling books like crazy. This is the highest numbering funnel we've done so far. So for my funnel hackers, if you're going through the funnel make sure to buy slowly and watch the process and see what's happening and why it's happening because it's doing really, really well. You can go to trafficsecrets.com. This is it right here. There's the video. In fact, you watch the video, I'm very proud of the video, hopefully you'll learn some stuff just from watching that. You can see the offers, you can buy the book for free, just cover shipping and handling, it's 9.95 shipping in the U.S., a little bit more internationally, but you can go get that there. Scroll down you can see the sales pitch. This is a chance, look at what I'm doing, you guys. I spent two years writing the book and about the same amount of time brainstorming this funnel and getting it live and ready. It is over 20,000 books sold and it's kept a $63 average cart value, which is insane. Especially knowing that a lot of you guys are my funnel hackers. You're like, "I bough the book six times. I want to get everybody's bonuses." With that said, to be able to keep the average cart value that high I would say the real average cart value, if I were to pull out all the duplicates, the average is probably 80 plus dollars, which is insane. Most book funnels are 20 to 30 bucks max. The funnels are awesome, so make sure to go watch it, buy slowly, learn some stuff while you're doing it. You just go to trafficsecrets.com. For those of you that are extra bored, especially if you're bored with your kids, right here is funnelflix.com. And if you go to funnelflix.com, you can get a free premiere week. Which basically you go in there, and you get a bunch of video for free. Including the very first one, which is from, I don't know if you can see it right there, that is Frank Kern... this is Frank Kern right here. He spoke at Funnel Hacking Live. Nobody knew he was coming, we kept it a surprise and he came out and people lost their mind. Frank is one of the original OGs. When I was learning internet marketing, Frank was one of the dudes teaching it. You can actually go and literally go watch his presentation online for free, bunch of other ones as well. Julius, I hear he's got 5,000,000 followers on Instagram. He walks you how he does it, how he did it. You get that one for free. You get one from me for free. Anyway if you go to funnelflix.com you get Funnel Flix premiere week for free. Then if you go over here to trafficsecrets.com, you get Traffic Secrets for free. So anyway, that's what's happening. All right with that said, you guys, we got a full audience between Instagram we're about 160 people, Facebook we're at 155-ish, so we've got 300 people here. We can start this party and get started and it should be fun. Lionel said, "I think I found my ADD community." Yes, welcome to the ADD-nis. All right. Okay, so today we're talking again about Traffic Secrets. If you don't have your free copy of the book, go to trafficsecrets.com. And this is the box set with all the books. If you don't know anything about me, these are the books I've written. Dotcom Secrets is the first book. This is the new updated hardbound version. This is Expert Secrets is the second book. And Traffic Seekers is the third and final book in the trilogy. And Unlock the Secrets is this amazing workbook that goes with all of these books here. It's kind of fun. Anyhoo, let me pull out book number one. All right, the Traffic Secrets book. So here we go, Traffic Secrets. Today we're going to be going into one of the secrets. Brian saying, "How do you get the box set?" The box set is not for sale right now unless after you get the Traffic Secrets book the upsale may or may not be the box set. This is all pre-order, these aren't shipped till May 5th. But the audio books are available today. I spent three days in the studio reading the Traffic Secrets book. It's a seven hour audio, you can go and get that. It's for the order form bump. You can grab that, plug it in and start listening, which is kind of cool. Also, we've got the audio books of the Dotcom Expert Secrets new update as well as part of the sales funnel. If you go through the funnel, you'll see all the cool stuff. So you just got to go to trafficsecrets.com and slowly today go through the funnel and have some fun with it. Reesio said, "How is my quarantine?" It's been good. We're having a good time. I think I'm driving my kids crazy sometimes, they're driving me crazy sometimes, but as a whole, we're doing really good. Thank you for asking. All right, hope you guys are all doing as well, good as well. My job for the next 25 minutes or so is to entertain you, get you excited, inspire you, open your mind to how to get traffic. What you do with traffic, how it all works. I've been doing these live on Instagram and Facebook every day for the last two weeks, so if you missed any of them feel free to go back there. We may or may not also be launching a Traffic Secrets podcast that'll have the recordings of these too. That may be live in the next day or so, I'll let you guys know and then you can start listening in there as well, which will be kind of cool. All right, here we go, Traffic Secrets. So what we covered so far. Section number one is all about your dream customer. Secret One we figure out who's your dream customer. We talked about figuring out and understanding them at a deep level. Figuring out are they moving towards pleasure or away from pain? What's interesting in this market today, I think two weeks ago a majority of customers were moving towards pleasure. Which meant your ads, your advertising is all focused on grabbing people or trying to move towards pleasure. Over the last two weeks, people are in pain and they're now in a state where they're moving away from pain. Looking at that lens, most of our advertising and marketing should be shifting from speaking to them moving towards pleasure to speaking to them moving away from pain. So there's a little hint from Section number one. We also talked about the difference between a searcher and a scroller. What advertising networks people are searching, which ones they're scrolling and how you differentiate your ads and your landing pages and everything based on if they're a searcher or a scroller, the pros and the cons. That was all secret number one. Number two we talked about now you know who they are. Where are they hiding? Where are they congregating? We've got to find those pockets of our dream customers so we can go and target them. We also talked about then who's already congregated and who are our dream 100? And we built the list of our dream 100. After that, secret number three, we talked about hook story offer. How do we throw our hooks in the water to grab their attention and we tell the story to increase perceived value of what it is we're selling them and then how we make them an offer. And secret number four. Yesterday we talked about with your dream 100 how do you work your way in and how do you buy your way in? And that's what brings us today. Today we're talking about secret number five, which is traffic that you own. So I'm going to jump right there, we're going to go through that. This is the best type of traffic of all the types of traffic that are out there. So many things I have to gloss through because this book is super huge and I can't just cover every... make sure you still get the book and read it because there's so many things, like in here, just in the last chapter, I walk through five of our front end funnels. I'll show you the stats, numbers, every single funnel, how it works. I talk about how much you spend on traffic, how much on ads. I give you very detailed numbers. It's like six pages of the numbers of the funnel that you can get inside the book and look at and say, okay, here's the product. How much is it sold for? Here's the order form bump. Here's the commissions, the percentages, here's how it all worked. I breakdown every funnel in great detail. Those are all things I can't do on a live like this that you get inside the book. Okay. Secret number five, traffic that you own. So if you look at the image here, you can see here is the dream 100, right. If you've done this exercise with me over the last couple days, here's Facebook, here's all the people that have already congregated my dream customers on Facebook. Here's Instagram, here's a lot of people that have already congregated in my dream customers Instagram. On Facebook, on YouTube, on Google, we find those people, we have our dream 100 list. Now we're trying to figure out from yesterday how do I work my way in and how do I buy my way into these audiences, okay? Because that's where are traffic's already at, we're just trying to work out way and buy our way in into the audiences. And then from there, this is what this whole secret's about: Traffic v. Yield. So all the time we're getting traffic, our goal's not to get traffic to sell products, our goal is to get traffic where we're either getting traffic that we've earned or traffic we control and we're converting it into traffic that we own. That's the big secret, okay. So, for example, traffic that I earn. If I'm earning traffic, it means I'm going out and I'm working for it, right. I'm getting on podcast interviews, I'm doing Facebook lives with people. I'm getting somebody to promote my product for me. This is stuff I'm not paying for, but I'm earning it, I'm putting in the time and the energy and the effort, okay. Traffic I control is I go to Facebook, right. And I don't own Facebook ads, right? Mark Zuckerberg, he owns all that traffic on Facebook, but he allows me and you to go to him and say, "Hey, I want to control some of that traffic. I will pay you if you let me divert some of that traffic from Facebook over into my funnel," okay? It's the traffic you control. There's traffic that I earn, I'm working my way in. There's traffic that I control, where I'm buying my way in. Now the goal of both those traffic sources is not just to sell a product. This is where most people get it wrong. This is the very shortsightedness of almost all entrepreneurs. They're like, "Oh, cool, I bought traffic from Facebook. I'm going to sell my product." Yes, that's part of the goal, but the bigger goal, the overarching strategy is to convert traffic that you earn and traffic that you control into traffic that you own. When you own traffic, you own your own destiny, right? If Facebook shutdown tomorrow, I'd be okay because I have an email list of, I don't know, one and a half to almost 2,000,000 people. So I own that traffic. Any day I can wake up like, "I want to send traffic to this." I can send an email and, boom, traffic goes there. I launch a new book, I want to send traffic here. Because I own that traffic, I own this ball of traffic, I can send it to this page or this page or that page. I can send it wherever I want because I own that traffic, okay? So all the other things I'm doing, all the other exercises of buying ads and working my way into doing podcast interviews and all those things, the only goal of those things is to convert the traffic that I'm controlling and then buying, or that I'm earning and controlling, into traffic that I own, because then I control my own destiny. For me, for the last few years, I've been working on that. For the last decade and a half I've been building my list, building my following, it's traffic that I own now. Even if Facebook disappears, if Google goes away tomorrow, I'm still going to be in business because I own traffic, okay? And that's the mindset shift of what you guys are all having, that you need to understand that you want to be able to own that traffic, okay? So that's what this whole secret's about, owning traffic. When I first kind of started understanding this, let's see... When I first started understanding this, it was back early in my journey. One of my first mentors was a guy named Mark Joiner. Some of you guys know Mark, he's amazing. He's the one who kept telling me, "Russ, we have to focus on building a list, building a list, that's the secret to internet marketing. Building a list, building a list." And I remember at the time there were all these people that were doing different ways to make money. And I was so grateful that my first mentor told me, "You have to build lists, you have to build lists," because that thing has saved me now for a decade and a half. During the ups and downs of the trials of my business and the safe parts of my business. Having a list has helped me to endure. The people who have email lists right now, are the ones who are going to thrive during this whole crazy recession and depression, whatever ends up happening. I don't even know what's going to happen. But those people are surviving because they're prepared for that, right? It's very important to understand that. Let's see. There's so many things I could share with you guys. Just get the book and read it, it's so good! Anyway. Okay. Oh, there's a story in here, but the story's four pages long. Part of me wants to read it, and part of me is like if I read that I'd lose half of you guys. I'll tell you the gist of the story and I'll read one part of it. So this was the day that I learned about list-building, the day it really got sunk in my head. I was like, "Oh my gosh, I need an email list," right? In fact, I told this story yesterday on an interview with Jim Edwards, it was kind of fun. All right, when I first started learning about this whole game of internet marketing, I started hearing people talk about email list. I remember reading and article online and it was about... sometimes you hear about the gurus and they make $30,000 in a weekend and you think it's scam, right? And the guy's like, "No, it's not a scam. Let me explain how this whole thing works." And he explained, he said, "The gurus, whatever you want to call them, they have an email list of maybe 10,000 people, or 30, or a 100,000 people." He said, "All they do is an email out to a 100,000 people and if they send an email to a 100,000 people and they get 10,000 people who actually go and sign up for the thing," right. "Say you send an email to 100,000 people, 10,000 people open the email, 5,000 click through to the thing, and then 500 of those people actually buy the product and let's say it's a $20 product, you just made 10 grand or 30 grand, whatever the math is," right. And he's just like, "It's just a numbers game." He said, "The reason why these gurus make a ton of money is because they spent the last X amount of time building up these huge email lists, right, traffic that they own." And when I read that I was like, "Oh my gosh," it was the epiphany and all of a sudden I understood." I was like, "I need my own email list." I didn't know how to get an email list. So the first thing I did was I jumped on Mr. Google. I said, "How do you get an email list?" And I started searching around and within a few minutes I found this website. I can't remember the domain exactly, I think it was spam for emailaddresses.com. I was like, "Sweet, that's what I need, spam for email addresses." So I went and there was some DVDs where you could buy a DVD with a 100,000 email addresses, one with 500,000, one with a 1,000,000. I'm like, "Well, if I'm going to get an email list, I want a 1,000,000." So I spent 70 bucks and bought a DVD with a million email addresses on it. I waited for it to get sent to me, I get this thing with 70,000,000 email addresses. I'm like, "I'm going to be rich." I'm doing the math in my head. Send an email to a 1,000,000 people, if I get a 100,000 to open, 10,000 to click, 5,000 to buy the thing times $20. If I could send an email every single day, I'm going to be rich. I'm doing the math in my head, I'm trying to explain to my wife, we'd just gotten married at the time. "You can literally quit your job tomorrow. We are going to be rich. I figured out the secret of internet marketing. This is going to be so easy." So I took this DVD, and back then the way we sent emails was different. It wasn't through an email auto responder, you had to buy desktop software. So I bought the software, I put it on my desktop and I uploaded the DVD with a 100,000,000 people's email addresses. I wrote an email and I remember that night, about to go to bed. And you have to remember this was almost 15 years ago. It was, no, probably 16-17 years ago. Anyway, it was before we have high speed internet, before we had cell phones, things like that. If you remember the internet back then, usually you had one phone line and it was your phone or your modem. So I had to crawl under my desk, unplug the phone and plug in my modem, get online. I remember that night writing an email, clicking send and then telling my wife I was like, "We'll be rich by morning. You can literally quit your job tomorrow." And I remember sitting there watching the email software, boom, one email sent, two emails sent, three, four. I'm like, "Oh, this is amazing!" I go to bed that night and I'm like a kid at Christmas time, laying there in bed thinking about it. Every couple of hours I get out of bed and run in, move the mouse to get my screensaver off and 600 sent, 800 sent, 2000 sent. I'm just freaking out, right? So finally the next morning I wake up, my wife's getting ready for work, I'm getting ready for school. And I sneak back in the room where the computer's at, I look at it. And overnight we'd sent, I think we'd sent 6500 emails or something like that during the night. And I was like, "Dang it, I thought I was going to send a million overnight. It's going way slower than I thought." Then Colette was like, "I need to use the phone." I'm like, "You have to use the phone? You don't understand, we're printing cash right now, we cannot use the phone." She's like, "I have to use the phone. I have to call someone at work." So I crawl under the desk, I go and unplug the modem, I plug back in the phone and as soon as I plug it in, I'm still under the desk, I hear the phone ring, brrg. I get out, I pick up the phone and on the other end was my internet service provider yelling at me and screaming at me and cursing me out. Telling me how many spam complaints that they got in the last four or five hours. They're shutting me down and they're going to potentially file a lawsuit and all this stuff. I just like, oh, crap, and I totally freaked out. Finally, the guy hangs up on me, shuts off my internet. I hang up the phone and Colette's like, "Who's that on the phone?" I'm like, "Uh, nobody. Oh, and by the way, please don't quit today. Just wait it out a couple days." She kind of laughs at me. Anyway, she goes to work and that day I'm kind of bummed out. I'm licking my wounds and I go and I put my backpack on and I'm walking to school. I get to school and I'm super bummed out because I lost internet. I can't even check my email, I've no internet right now. I go into the computer lab at school and I check my emails. I said I felt like, "I wonder if anybody bought anything?" So I logged into my PayPal account like I did many times prior, and every time I logged into PayPal in the past, there's always a big zero on top. How much money did you make? Zero dollars. I'm like, "Ah." And I logged in this time and guess what? It didn't say zero. First time ever, it said 70. I was like, "What?" I was like, "I made 70 bucks." The way I did it apparently was illegal, but I did it, I made 70 bucks. This actually works! And it was the proof I needed. This whole thing actually works. This whole idea of having a list works. I did it the wrong way, but there's got to be a right way to do this. So it started me on this journey of I have to figure out the legitimate way to build the email list because other people are doing it. I got a little taste of it, I made 70 bucks the wrong way so I got to figure out the right way. So I started this journey of I have to learn how to build a list, have to learn how to build the list. That became my obsession for the next decade of my life and it's still an obsession today, which is why I have a big email list, because I focus on it. In fact, every single day we have a company-wide meeting. We call it the Click Funnels Pulse Meeting. And one of the stats we share every single day is how many people joined our list yesterday? That's the number we're looking at. It's a metric, it's a KPI in our company. How many people today joined your list? It was interesting for all of you guys who are watching this, if you're not looking at that metric daily, your list probably isn't growing. I've seen some people who have a business, they'll grow a list and they get 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 people on the list and then they stop and go, "Oh, I got a list." And they send emails to the list and they're making money so their fine. But what happens is that list will start to atrophy over time, get smaller, smaller and eventually your business just disappears and dies. Your focus point is you need to consistently, continually always be building your list. That should be the number one metric. You wake up every morning, how many people joined my list yesterday? How many joined yesterday? I remember the first time I got that, one of my friends, Dagen Smith, he told me that. He asked me, "How many people a day join your email list?" I'm like, "I don't know." He's like, "You don't know that number?" "I mean people are joining, but I don't look at that." He's like, "Dude, what you watch, what you measure grows." And so I was like, "Okay. I'm going to start looking it." I started looking at it. I remember at the time there's probably 60-70 people a day joining my list, and so I started watching it. And what's crazy is I started looking at the numbers every single day, it started making me upset in my head. "Ah, only 70 people." Then your subconscious mind starts looking for ways. "Well, how do I make this bigger? How do I make it bigger?" As I'm sitting there thinking how to make it bigger, new ideas pop in my head. Then I morph from 70 a day to 100 a day to a 150 a day, and 500 a day to a 1,000 a day, to 2,000 a day. And it became the focal point of my business. For all you guys, when you start getting this book, that's what I talk about. All the things you're doing, from traffic you control, the traffic you're buying, the traffic that you're earning, the goal of all that traffic is just to convert into traffic that you own, which is your list. Your list is the key. If you look at, "What's the biggest secret of the Russ Brunson's internet marketing?" Your list is the key. You need to be building your list. That's the big aha, okay? You have to understand that. All the things I'm doing, from Facebook live to videos, to podcast interviews, to buying ads, the goal of all the thing is to build my list. And the key metric, the KPI I look at every single day, the most important one of my business for me, is how many people today joined my list? Okay. So all you guys need to be focusing on that. That's the big thing. Someone said, "What software do you use?" I use this weird software called Click Funnels. Click Funnels builds my list, it does everything. All right. That's the big thing to understand. Okay. So there's my little tangent, the way to understand, it's the traffic that you own, okay? And I told you that story already. When I'm doing all this stuff, when I'm buying ads, when I'm earning traffic, the goal of both of those is to get into traffic that I own, right? So when I'm on a podcast interview, I'm doing a podcast and I'm earning traffic while I'm there and being interviewed. At the end of it what do I say? At the end of it I'm like, "Hey, by the way, I got this cool new book called Traffic Secrets. Go to trafficsecrets.com to get a free copy." People go to trafficsecrets.com, they click on the button, they put in their what? Email address. Then what happens? They join my list. Oh. That's the goal. If I do the podcast interviews, not just do an interview. I do an interview the interview's not like that's okay. Yeah, I want to sell copies of the book, but the only reason I'm trying to sell copies of the book is I want you on my email list because that's the game, okay? Hopefully, that helps you understand that. So all the traffic you're buying, all the traffic your earning is all going into one spot where you can build an email list because that's the secret of internet marketing. If you look at these, some of you guys have already seen this. This is one of my squeeze pages, okay. If you go to marketingsecrets.com/blackbook, this is one. This lead page alone has generated over 300,000 leads for me. 300,000 leads, okay, boom. This is where my book funnels. The goal of it is to get somebody to join the email list. I'm sending people from all these places to spots. You notice that every page I send somebody to, like right now I sent you to trafficsecrets.com. When you go there, guess what happens if you click on the button? You join my list. I send you to funnelsclick.com, you go there you get this free stuff or I give you this bait to go watch Frank Kern's presentation, Julius', and mine, right. It's four hours of free video, but what happens if you watch those videos? You give me your email address. Now you join my list. I'm working my way right now to you guys, right. We'll then buy ads to this video, which I'll be buying my way in, but the goal of all of them is to get you on my email list, right? I've been telling you you got two email lists today. That's my goal. I'm trying to convert all this traffic that I'm earning, right, I'm earning it, right. We've still got 160 viewers on Instagram, we got 185 in Facebook. We'll push these things live over the next two or three weeks. We'll probably get, I don't know, 50 to 100,000 people to watch this video. From that, hopefully, I'll get, I don't know, 20-30,000 people to join my list from it. That's why I'm doing these exercises, okay. That's why we do all this stuff. So I hope you guys understand that. Okay, one more thing I'll talk about list-building, just to give you guys some metrics to make this really tangible for you and then we'll wrap it for today. When I got started, I had one of my friends, who's actually Mike Filsaime, I love Mike. Mike told me, he said, "You should average, on average you should make at least one dollar per month, per name on your email list." And I didn't know if that was high or low. It's actually really low. You should make more than that, but this is a really good baseline, right? So what that means, let's say you got a 100 people on your email list. You should average one dollar per month, per name on your email list. So I got a 100 people on my email list, I should make at least a 100 bucks a month from those people. I got a 1,000 people on my email list, I should be making a 1,000 bucks a month. If I've got 50,000 people on my email list, I should make 50,000 a month and so on and so forth, right? And for you guys who are starting your business, you're growing your company, you're like, "How do I grow my company?" That's the big secret. How many people are on your email list right now? If I ask you and you're I don't know, then you don't have a business. You're goofing around, okay. Engagement on Instagram does not count as an email list, right? The goal of engagement on Instagram is to get people to go to your email list and join your list, right? That's the tangible business that we're in. I remember he told me that, I was like okay. So I started at that point, it was my very first product called Zip Brander and I had it top of my list. I started driving traffic to it. I remember the very first month I got 217 people. Isn't funny you remember some random numbers like that? 217 people joined my email list that very first month. In that month, I think I made $300 in sales. I was like, okay, that's a little more than a one dollar per name. I'm going to keep focusing. I took that money that I made, I reinvested it back into more traffic. I got more people in and in month number two I had 600 people on my list. That month I made like 800 bucks. I was like, uh. So I reinvested that 800 bucks back into ads, I kept doing it, and soon I got to 2,000 people on my list and 1500 people, then 2,000 people on my list. And that number stayed pretty sync. When I had 2,000 people on my list I was making a little over a two grand a month. When I had 5,000 people on my list, I made five grand a month. When I had a 100,000 people on my list I was making a 100 grand. Now I'm at over 1.7, 1.8 million people on my email list, we make more than that per month, right? So those numbers sync. And what's interesting is you get better at this game, you get better communicating with your audience, better making offers, better telling stories. All this I'm teaching you through these books that number will go up. You shouldn't just make a one dollar per name on your email list. You can make five dollars or $10. Sometimes I see local businesses where the list is small, they only have 800 people on their list, 500 people on their list. It's usually because of the relationship, because they're local they're able to make 10, 20, 30 bucks per name per email on their email list, okay? I want to give you that number as a metric. Because if some of you guys are like, "I need to retire." "I want to work from home," I want to do whatever, right? That's the number you should be looking at, right? If you're thinking I need to make six figures a year. Okay, if you had 10,000 people on your email list, you're averaging one dollar per month per name, that's 10 grand a month times 12 months, that's 120,000 a year. If you can focus, and get 10,000 people on your email list, based on the math, you should be making 120,000 bucks a year, your six figures a year. If you're like, I need to make five grand a month to survive, cool, you should be focusing on building a list of 5,000 people. You get a list of 5,000 people, you should, based on the math, if you do it okay, you should be making 5,000 grand a month. If you're I want to make a 1,000,000 bucks. I want to hit two comma club, cool. It's just a math game, right? That means if you want two comma club, you need to focus on getting a 100,000 people on your list, 100,000 people times 12 months is 1.2 million bucks a year. That's the game, you guys. That's what you've got to start to understand. The list is the secret. That's the metric, that's the thing we're all focusing on. So all this traffic stuff we're doing, as much fun as it is, like how do you Facebook ads, and Google ads, and do integration marketing? And how do you do growth hacking? All the things we're talking... as exciting as those things are, and they are, they're pretty amazing. The real secret, the real big aha, is that all the focus point of that is to turn it into traffic that you actually own. And I think tomorrow we're actually going to talk about followup funnels. I'm pretty sure. So tomorrow, we're going to talk about followup funnels. So followup funnels is like now someone's on my list, now what do I do with it? How do you make a dollar per name per month, Russell? Well, you do it by the followup funnel. This is the sequences and tomorrow we're going to go deep into that. But I'll give you guys a hint, just so you know. I was doing a... and I'll show this tomorrow, we'll go deep into this. I was looking at my front end funnels and we did a 30 day snapshot in a window. And in a 30 day window, for every dollar we made on one of our front end funnels, those are the funnels that buy ads too where I push stuff through like this. I'm buying my way, working my way, for every dollar I make in that front end funnel, we made $16.49 in the next 30 days through the followup funnels. These are the emails and messages that are sent to them over the next 30 days. So that's the big secret, you guys. So, again, I will share that with you guys tomorrow. If I can do nothing else, to drill into your brain, say the traffic secret to drill in your brain today, the most important thing you'll be focusing on is traffic that you own. How do you convert all the traffic you're earning, all the traffic you're buying into traffic that own? Because then when the storms come, and they're coming, you're feeling it right now. When the recession hits, when the depressions hit, when Facebook is shutdown by the government, when whatever. The platform you're on, the people are huge on buying and then buying got destroyed and then people have podcasts. Let's say the podcasts disappear. Who knows what it's going to be? But as long as you're focusing all your efforts on one thing, traffic that you own, you'll survive the hard times, okay? I've survived two collapses of the economy, excuse me, one big collapse of the economy, two collapses of my business. I've survived all these things because of one thing, and one thing alone: I have my email list. That's the big secret. You guys got that? That's the big secret. So always have to think about that today. In fact, that should be your goal right now, as you get off this thing, start thinking, okay, how big is my email list today? That's number one. If it's zero people, now's the time to start, okay. But look at it, how big is your email list, that's number one. Then number two, how many people per day are joining it, okay? Again, if that's zero, then that's the next thing, how do I get people every day to do it? Then number three, okay, how do I make that number bigger? What you measure grows. So if you start measuring it, it'll grow, or shrink if you're in weight loss, right? If you're measuring your waist every day, you don't want it to grow, but it'll shrink. But in business you want it to grow. So whatever you measure will grow. So every single day the number you should be looking for is how much did my list grow today? How many leads have I got today? That's what you got to start focusing on, okay. Help you guys to survive the storms or the craziness, that's just as important. So there you guys go. That is the Traffic Secret for today I'm going to share. We had a good turnout today. You guys must be bored out of your minds at home during the quarantine. So if you are, what I recommend doing right now... by the time we hangout tomorrow, you guys could listen to this entire book. Go to trafficsecrets.com, you can pre-order a hardbound copy of this book for free. They don't ship until May 5th though, but the order form bump is the audio book of this. If you get the audio book you can plug it into your ears and you could listen to it. It's seven hours of me reading the entire book, word-for-word. By this time tomorrow, you can have it done, we can get back to work. That's your challenge. While you're sitting around, go do it. Let's go. Trafficsecrets.com, get the hardbound book. There's also a whole bunch of amazing video bonuses you get. You get a presentation from Prince Ea who has over three billion views on Facebook. He does a presentation you get for free in there. Payne June talks about how he does his social media, presentation for me about traffic. A bunch of cool stuff you get for free in there. You just got to go get the book for free and then get the audio book you can start listening to today, if you want. Those who have been asking about how do you get the whole box set. The upsale flow you can get the box set in the upsale flow, so that's there as well. And then, you guys, after you've done that and you're like, "I need more stuff, Russ. I want to keep geeking out. I want to sharpen myself, want my brain to get bigger." Then just go to right here, funnelflix.com. Click Funnels has entered the streaming wars, we are trying to destroy Disney+ and Netflix and all the others. No, I'm just kidding. This is way better. But you guys get a free week at funnelsflix.com, it's called Free Premiere Week. You can go there. You put your email address in, click submit and you can get the first four presentations for free. First one's from my man Frank Kern. One of the original OGs in internet marketing. He's one of the dudes I was learning from when I got started. He did a secret presentation at Funnel Hacking Live. Nobody knew he was coming and when he came out on stage, they flipped out. Anyway, his presentation is there for free. You have funnelflix.com, put your email address in here, and then what happens? Oh, you joined my list! "What? Russ practices what he preaches! Oh, this is so crazy." You joined my email list, right? Boom, you watch Frank's presentation. Then, number two, you go right here, and you watch the presentation of Julius, who built an Instagram following of I think 5 or 6,000,000 people. He's a magician, his presentation was insane. His magic is awesome. Then over here you've got a presentation from me on your value ladder which is awesome. Anyway. So funnelflix.com, so trafficsecrets.com get your book. Funnelflix.com go geek out, you've got free premiere week over here, bunch of cool stuff. With that said, you guys, I appreciate you all hanging out. Tomorrow we'll be back. Tomorrow we're going to go into followup funnels, which will be a lot of fun. Yeah, it's going to be fun. Anyway, appreciate you guys. Thanks for hanging out today. If you got any value from this, please call me down below and let me know. If you're on Facebook watching this, please share it. That'd be awesome too. 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Enjoy another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want to learn how to systematically attract your dream customers overnight... and how to get in front of them over and over again? On this episode, Russell Brunson will teach you... Why you should dig your well before you're thirsty. Why he spent 10 YEARS building a relationship with Tony Robbins (that paid off!). How to attract your dream customer RIGHT NOW and how to attract your dream customers over the long-term (BUY your way in or WORK your way in!). Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, hey. What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to, what do we call this, Quarantine Traffic TV? We should be talking about viral traffic, how viruses grow. We actually are going to be talking about viral growth, viral traffic towards the end of the Traffic Secrets book. When we get to growth hacking, there's bunch of really cool things. But, we will save that for another day. Just checking in on everybody. Hope you guys are doing great. I know it's crazy times, a lot of things are happening, but a lot of good things are happening in the world right now, too, and just grateful for just so many amazing people who are publishing. I went live yesterday to our 2 Comma Club collective group and I told everyone, I said, "Look, now is the time for you to all be publishing. Your people need you. They need faith. They need hope in a better world. They need things like that to happen. It's time to start publishing." We're going to get deeper into that in the next couple episodes here as we're talking about Traffic Secrets, about publishing and finding your voice and things like that, but now is the time. Your people need you more than ever. It's important for you to go out there and start sharing. Even though it's scary and even though all the stuff, it's time to be a light for the people that follow you. Today, we are getting back into Traffic Secrets. Hope you guys have been enjoying this so far. Have you guys enjoyed these, going live every day? It's been fun for me to kind of start and of kick off the day. Hopefully, it's been good for you guys as well to give you something to think about and talk about and brainstorm on throughout the day. One of mantras I've had in my business for the last, man, probably 10 years or so is this concept of how do you give yourself a raise every single day? Every day, I wake up in the morning and I'm like, "How do I give myself a raise today?" Because think about in the real world, the only way to give yourself a raise is to go back to school. If you're a doctor and you want to give yourself a raise, you got to go back to like four more years of medical school or postgraduate school or things like that. As an entrepreneur, it's kind of fun because I can come into my office and be like: "Okay, if I can increase the conversions on my page; that gives me a raise today. If I can get more traffic coming into my funnels, that's giving me a raise today." There's all these little things we can do to give ourselves a raise every single day. Hopefully, this hanging out with you guys, talking about Traffic and going through the Traffic Secrets book, is giving you guys ideas as you come every day to listen for tip, a hit, an idea, something that you can grab that'll be the thing that'll give you a raise today. The more you guys do that, the better so it's kind of fun. Anyway, we're in the middle of the Traffic Secrets book launch. I think we're halfway through the official launch. It's been going amazingly well. The funnel's converting well, the books are selling like crazy. I want to thank you guys all for participating, even though times are crazy. I think this is the time for all of us to start sharpening our saws. You look at the best companies in the world were all built during these times of economic uncertainty. And so your business, your following, your brand, it is the time to start building it now. All right, so here we go. You guys want to jump into Traffic Secrets again? I've been going through chapter by chapter every day. Some days we've covered half a chapter, but I'm going to be moving into the next stuff. If you don't have your copy yet, we're in pre-order right now. You can go get trafficsecrets.com to go get your copy. They're there. It's free plus shipping, so it costs you I think 9.95 US, 19.95 international. We start shipping these on May 5th, so you may have to wait a little bit to get them but the audiobook, which I recorded, it's seven hours of me reading this entire book, is available right now. Every single day, we're going live and I'm going through the book so while you waiting for the book to come, also I'm sharing with you guys so you can start getting the wheels in your head spinning and get the ideas coming forth. Anyway, if you haven't got it yet, go to trafficsecrets.com and get book. I'd recommend getting the audiobook because you can listen the whole thing tonight. It took me three days to record, but it's seven hours of audio. You can listen to it all day today and by to this time tomorrow have the book done and in your head and understanding it all perfectly well. All right. And then on top of that, there's like five, I think it's five bonus videos you get when you get Traffic Secrets book that each of those by themselves, we could sell for a couple hundred bucks. You get them all for free when you go to trafficsecrets.com and get your free book. I think I said free like 40 times so far. It's time. Anyway. All right. Everyone's asking, "What's Unlock Secrets?" Oh, well there's DotCom Secrets, which is book number one in the series; Expert Secrets, book number two; Traffic Secrets, book number three. Unlock Secrets is a workbook that goes with all of them to help mush them all together and mushify them. But right now, we're talking about the Traffic Secrets book. Okay, so should we dive in? Let's recap what we talked about so far. In the introduction, we talked about the fact there's a storm coming and then it's crazy that we're in the middle of literally... Well, in Boise we're actually having a storm outside, but we're in the middle of this economic storm. It's scary times right now. It's kind of, I don't know, kind of creepy. I wrote this probably 18 months ago, but the introduction starts with "There's a storm coming," and it's talking about... The reason I wrote this book is because there's a storm coming. Businesses are going to be struggling. The lifeblood of every business is what? Traffic. The lifeblood is customers. Right now, in these crazy economic times, the life preserver you have for your business is literally traffic. It's the customers coming around you and it's building up customers that'll be there for a lifetime. Anyway, so the introduction talked about the fact that there's a storm coming, how to prepare for it. Then section number one was all about your dream customer, who is the person you want to serve, and then really understanding them at a deeper level. Are they someone who's moving towards pleasure and moving away from pain? Are they a searcher? Are they a scroller? Where are we finding these people at? How are we interrupting them? That was all in section one, which is one of my favorite chapters. Hope you guys enjoyed that one. Section two, or secret number two then, was now that we know who our dream customers are, secret two is where are they actually hiding? I need to find those people. They got to be hiding somewhere. We talked about congregations and how to identify them. And then in the third video we did like this, we talked about the dream 100. Who's already congregating those people? Where are they at? I had you guys do an exercise, so hopefully you did. It's on page 41 in the book when you get the book. Basically, it was going through each platform. So on Facebook, who are the people that have already congregated your dream customers? Who are the people who already have big Facebook following and writing their names down. Then who are the people who already have big YouTube channels and writing those names down. Who are the people who have big podcasts of your dream customers? Instagram channels, bloggers, big email lists, who are the people that have already congregated the customers you want to have and you want to serve? You got to start listing those people out. That's the first step here in the dream 100. We're going to come back to that today, so I want to make sure you guys have done that and prepared there. And then yesterday, we talked about my favorite concepts, which is hook, story, offer. Whoop. We talked a lot about that. If you missed that one, all these are being posted on Facebook. They're on Facebook long term, so you can go and watch those on Facebook. We may or may not be putting out a Traffic Secrets podcast of these episodes as well because some people have been asking for the replay. That may be coming to you. But today, we're going into secret number four. Secret number four, you guys ready for this? Secret number four is called work your way in and buy your way in. If you read the original DotCom Secrets book, I talk about there's three types of traffic. How many of you guys remember this? There's three types of traffic. This is internet marketing school 101. There is traffic that you control, there's traffic that you earn and there's traffic that you own. There's three types of traffic. Today, we're going to be talking about two of those three types. All right, so working your way in and buying your way. In fact, let me see what's the best way I could share with this. Oh, yeah. It's interesting. When we were launching ClickFunnels five and a half years ago, as you guys know, I'm the non-technical co-founder, which means I got no skills. I can't code, I can't write software, so everyone's writing software for me because I can't do it. Todd and Dylan were creating software. And so it was like what was my job in this whole thing? My job was to figure out, when the doors open on day one, how am I going to make sure that there's traffic coming into our funnel so that people are lined up waiting to create a trial? While they're up all night coding, drinking Red Bulls and doing the hackathon, stuff like that, I was hanging out with them, figuring out, "Okay, I got to figure out dream 100. Who are the people who's got our dream customers?" And so I built my whole dream 100 list, just like I just showed you guys right now and how we did this… actually I did this a couple days ago. I built out the dream 100, and then I started contacting them and calling them and messaging them and sending them stuff in the mail and getting to know them and all sorts of things. After I figure out my dream 100, there's two things I'm trying to do. One, I'm trying to work my way in and number two, I'm trying to buy my way in. Working your way in is, how do I get those people who already have my dream customers to promote me? All you guys have been watching this Traffic Secrets book launch. I have a lot of people who said, "My entire Facebook and Instagram and YouTube feeds are all filled with people talking about Traffic Secrets." Literally, it's my dream 100. It's people I've been building relationships with for years who I say, "I got a new book coming out. Do you want to talk about it?" And they have. I worked my way into those relationships. Those people are promoting it. I'm not paying them. They are affiliates, so they will get paid commissions if they sell a book, but I didn't buy ads from them. I said, "Hey, do you want to promote this?" They said yes. right. I worked my way in. If you look at how do you work your way into your dream 100, you could go through the book here on page number 57. I start walking you through the process. Step number one is called dig your well before you're thirsty. There's a book that Harvey Mackay wrote called Dig Your Well Before You're Thirsty. I remember reading that book and just being like, "Okay, that's the thing." A lot of times, people are like, "Well, when my product's done, then I'll go start working on my dream 100. I'll start building relationships. When I'm ready to launch, then I'll go do that." It's like no, no, no. You need to do that today because when your product's done, if you come to someone and the first time you meet like, "Hey, how's it going? My name's Russell. Do you want to promote my book?" they're going to be like, "Dude, I don't know who you are. All you're doing is asking me for favors and asking me for things." Your job is to start building a relationship today, immediately. Start digging you well before you're thirsty. That's why I led the book with this, because you should start doing this today. Let's say you do this on Instagram or on Facebook. Let's say Instagram, you figure who on Instagram already has my dream following. Who are the influencers who already have a huge list of people, a ton of followers of my dream customers? And then start messaging them. I read you guys a couple days ago in here talking about dreaming 100 Rachel Hall, when she launched her book that became the number two bestselling book of the year last year, only losing to Michelle Obama, come on now, first thing she did is she went to Instagram and found everyone who had her dream customers who had over 200,000 followers. She personally DMed every single one of them. She started working her way in, getting to know them, messaging them, sending them free copies of her product and getting to know them. Same thing with Tom Bilyeu from Quest. When they launched Quest Nutrition, same thing. He went to Instagram and found who was all the influencers who got my dream customers? I'm going to start working my way in and send them free samples, send them product and started working their way in. So that's step number one, is working your way and getting to know these people. When your product's launched, they should already know who you are. They should be friends. In fact, I think I tell a story in here of Tim Ferriss. When he launched The 4-Hour Workweek, he did the same thing. He said, "I'm writing a book. I need to start digging my well today." So he said, "Who's my dream 100? Who are the people that someday I'd love for them to promote my book?" He built a huge list of bloggers and podcasters and things like that. He started getting to know them, became friends with them, messaged them a year before he launched his book. He started digging his well before he was thirsty with these people, getting to know them as he's writing a book. Eventually people are like, "What do you do for a living?" He's like, "Oh, I'm an author. I'm writing a book." They're, "What's the book?" "It's not done yet. I'll tell you when it's done." But people are like, "This guy's really cool. He's just really nice." And then eventually Tim's like, "Hey, my book's done. Can I send you a free copy?" They're like, "Heck yeah," so he sent all these people free copies of The 4-Hour Workweek. And then he's like, "Hey, launch day is this day. If you like it, I'd love for you to write a blog post on launch day and tell the world." And on launch day, he had like, I don't know, a thousand bloggers on day one blogging about The 4-Hour Workweek. That built Tim Ferriss. And so this whole concept is how it works. You figure out your dream 100 is and step number one, you start digging your well before you're thirsty. I'm not going to spend too much time, but we talked about all the different ways to do that here inside the book and the ways you do it the right way and then the wrong way. Okay, let's see. Let me I make sure I'm doing this in the right order. Step number one is dig your well before you're thirsty. Step number two is you work your way in. It's interesting. Right now, while we're on quarantine, my kids and I and my wife are doing the Marvel marathon. We started with Captain America and then Captain Marvel. We're doing it chronologically so it's not when the movies released, but when they chronologically fit into time. So Captain America's number one, Captain Marvel. Last night, it was Iron Man. Tomorrow, or tonight, it's going to be Incredible Hulk. We're doing the whole marathon. As I was watching, I was thinking about... I remember when Infinity Wars came out and Endgame came out. How did they launch those movies? Thinking about this, what they did is that the movie theaters, Disney, they have relationships with the people that have their dream customers, so The Today Show, The Tonight Show, Good Morning America, Late Night, all the different talk shows. About a week before any of these movies go live, what happens? Again, let's just say that we're Hollywood right now. Hollywood builds out their dream... So here's your dream 100. I got to figure out how to work my way in and buy my way into these people. This is what Hollywood does. It's the same thing. It's like okay, here's the morning shows, the talk shows, late night talk shows. If we're going to promote this movie, we need to start working our way in today. And so what do they do? They go and all of a sudden, you see the guy who plays Thor, Chris Hemsworth, is on every single show talking about the movie. And then you got Iron Man going everywhere, and you got all the famous people going on all these shows, talking about the movie like, "This weekend, the movie's coming out. It's coming out. It's coming out." They're working their way in to all these channels, letting them know that this thing's about to go live. And then boom, movie goes live on the weekend. They make a billion dollars. That's how they launch movies. The same thing's true in our world, For the last two years that I've been writing this book, I built my dream 100. I got to know them. I built relationships. I sent free copies of the book. Now, I'm doing podcast interviews, Facebook Lives and all sorts of stuff, talking about my book, getting it out there to the world. Same thing's true for your product. It's the same thing. You start working your way in. We call it working your way in or earning your traffic because it's free. You're not paying for it. You're paying for it with your time, your relationships. But it's the best kind of traffic because it's... First off, doesn't cost you any money. Number two, usually it's coming with a personal recommendation. It's the best type of traffic you can get. So work our way in. The first goal is to work our way into everyone's side of the dream 100. In fact on page 64, you see, well, here's a picture of it there. Personally, I try to figure out how to work my way in. I go through all my podcast lists. How do I get on everyone's podcasts? I want to hit the podcast circuits. Here's all my YouTubers. How do I get on the YouTube circuit? Here's all the people that Facebook live, people who have email list. I'm trying to work these circuits and get into every single person's thing. That's how I worked my way in. In fact, when I launched the Experts Secrets book, I show a picture here, but I spent... Some of you guys saw that video. I did a whole YouTube video about this. I spent 10 years building a relationship with Tony Robbins, my dream 100. When the Experts Secrets book came out, I said, "Hey, can you interview me about my book on your fan page?" He's like, "Okay," and he interviewed me. This interview got 3.1 million views, of Tony interviewing me when the last book came out. I was working my way in. Didn't cost me any money, but I got in there and got this free promotion. The first thing is working your way in. The second way is you buy your way in. Now in a perfect world, everyone in your dream 100 would just promote you for free. But the reality is for 10 years, for example, Tony Robbins didn't promote me for a decade that I was working my way in, working my way in, working my way in. But what's cool is during that time, while I'm working my way in and hoping to get him to promote me for free, I'm still able to go and buy my way in. I was able to go to Tony Robbins, he's my dream 100, and I targeted his fans, his followers on Facebook. I bought ads to his followers. I know his followers are my dream customers, so I bought ads to those people. I knew that Grant Cardone's followers are my dream customers, so I bought ads to those people and I did the same thing. There's two steps to the process. You figure out who your dream 100 is. Number one is you're going and you are working your way and trying to get free exposure to their following, to their fans, to their audiences. And then two, while you're trying to work your way in and get free exposure, you can also buy your way in. All the advertising platforms nowadays like Facebook and Instagram and YouTube allow you to buy ads directly targeting certain people. If I have your dream customers, you can buy ads and say, "Everyone who follows Russell Brunson, I want them to see my ad." You can do that really easily. If you're selling a health product, you can say, "Everyone who follows Dr. Oz, show them my product." While you're waiting for Dr. Oz to put you on the show someday in the future, while you're building a relationship and trying to get on his show to get all this exposure, at the same time you can be buying your way in today. You don't have to wait for him to say yes. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, the channels have already said yes to you. So I'm working my way in and I'm buying my way in. People always ask me, "What's better? Is it better to work your way in or to buy your way in? The reality is you want both. Here's a little graph here, if you can see. See? If I'm buying my way in, boom. I can get a big spike immediately. I start getting traffic like yesterday. I can get traffic super, super fast. I work my way in, it takes longer. But over the long term, you can get way more traffic from that. The reality is you want both. You want the immediate traffic in sales coming in from buying your way in, and you want the long-term consistent free traffic. If you're doing both at the same time, that's the best way to do it. ClickFunnels has built up of a lot of traffic from both things, free traffic that we're working our way in, as well as paid traffic that we're buying our way in. That's kind of where we're starting. I could spend like six years going on this, but you got to get the book, you guys. You have to get it. You can't say it about your own book, that's annoying, but I worked really hard on it so I can say that. I think it's really good. I'm really proud of it. It's funny, because when you're you finish writing it, you're so proud of it, and then there's this phase where you have to send it to people to read. Man, it is a scary, scary phase. I remember sending it to a whole bunch of my friends and just be like, "Here's my new book," and then just waiting and hoping and hoping. It's funny because at first, you don't hear back because books take a long time to read. You're just like, "Oh my gosh, they must hate it. I'm really, really scared." And then a couple weeks ago, I was at Tony Robbins' 60th birthday party, which was insane. I'm sitting there and I saw Garrett White across the room. He came over, gave me a hug. And then he's like, in the way Garrett says it, "Brother." He's like, "I read the new book." I'm like, "Oh yeah. What'd you think?" freaking out like, "I hope he..." And Garrett's been one of the biggest fans of DotCom and Expert Secrets that we have, one of our biggest promoters of the book. He's like, "This one's better than the other two." I was like, "What? Are you serious?" I'm like, "Oh, cool. Thanks." Inside, I'm freaking out because I've been so panicked, so nervous, so afraid that when people got this, what if they don't like it? It's the insecurities of the artist. You always will have it as you start putting your stuff out there. But it made me really happy that... Anyway, so far everyone who's had a chance to read it has loved it. So many of you guys have had a chance to listen the audiobook and sent amazing feedback. I'm grateful for it. Anyway, yes. I'm excited. If you guys don't have a copy of the book yet, now is the time. All you got to do is go to trafficsecrets.com. Again, we're in pre-order right now. These don't ship until May 5th, assuming that Amazon opens back up soon. Anyway, that's a story for the another day. May 5th, these start shipping. We'll be shipping from our warehouse, so you don't have worry about that. But if you go to trafficsecrets.com, you can pre-order. There's an order of form bump for an audiobook. If you want to start listening to it today, you can start listening today. I spent three days in the studio reading it. It's seven-hour audio, I think, of the whole book. You can start listening to today and have it ready by tomorrow. It's going to be awesome. Anyway, I'm excited for you guys. Hopefully, you enjoy the book when it comes out. I've got to jump. I've been working my way and I've got interviews starting in four minutes with a whole bunch of other people who are going to be talking about this book. I'm going to go jump off and jump on the calls with them, you guys. Yes, I practice what I preach. But now's time to get your book. Go to trafficsecrets.com. I hope you guys enjoy it. I hope you guys love it. And again, while you're ready for the book to show up, there's the audiobook you can upsell. There's five videos you get. One of them is me talking about Traffic Secrets at Funnel Hacking LIVE. There's one from Prince EA, who's over 3 billion views on YouTube. There's Peng Joon's video. There's a whole bunch of amazing Traffic videos you get instantly when you get the book, so go take advantage of that as well at trafficsecrets.com. Someone said, "Where at?" Anyway, I'm jumping off. I got a call in three minutes. I appreciate you guys. Thanks for hanging out with me today. We'll talk back tomorrow. Tomorrow, we're going to be going into the next secret, which is traffic that you own. This is the most important type of traffic, so we'll cover this tomorrow. Again, there's three types of traffic, traffic you control, traffic that you earn and traffic that you own. Tomorrow, we'll talk about traffic you own, the most important, most vital, most fun type of traffic. Thanks, you guys. Trafficsecrets.com. Appreciate you all. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. 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Here is another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want to know how to grab (and KEEP) your customers' attention, and draw them into your world? On this episode, Russell shares: The 3-part method to crafting a high-converting sales funnel. How Natalie Hodson used this method to sell 120K copies of her book! How to use this SAME method to attract and convert your dream customers, no matter where they're coming from! Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey everybody. This is Russell. Welcome back to wherever you're hanging out with me at. We've got Instagram. We've got Facebook going right now. And I am home during week number two of our quarantine. And I'm guessing a lot of you guys are as well. And so while we're sitting here, trying to figure out what to do, I figured this is a good time to start talking more about traffic. So hopefully, you guys are all excited and pumped for that. Anyway, excited to be here with you guys today. And it's interesting, as we were talking this morning as a team, and we started talking about all the fears. There are obviously a lot of fears, right now, happening in society and the economy and things like that. It's like, "Well, how do we protect ourselves? How do we create a life preserver around our company? What does it look like? What does that need to be?" And honestly, the biggest, most important life preserver you can create for your company is getting customers. That is your life preserver, especially in times right now, where so many companies aren't able to get customers. That's why the economy's failing, why businesses are failing is because they can't get customers. And so I figured, from now until the next, I don't know, two or three weeks, two or three months, I'm going to be talking about this like crazy with you guys. How do we get customers? How do we get customers? Because it's the thing that we all need right now. It's the safety net we need to protect ourselves and to protect our businesses. And so that's kind of the game plan. So with that said, you guys excited if we go jump back into Traffic Secrets book some more? First off, thank you so much for all you guys. Obviously, we launched this Traffic Secrets book in the middle of chaos, and the books are selling like crazy. And so I want to thank you guys so much for doing that. That's exciting. Tom Greece said, "We are pregnant, and the next generation funnel hackers are on the way." Congratulations, Tom. We got funnel hacking babies coming. I love it. Oh, I heard the prediction is that after this whole everyone's quarantine come down, there's going to be a whole bunch of babies popping up nine months later. And the hospitals are going to be overwhelmed with that. So good thing they're preparing now, I guess. Anyway, so I want to jump into this next section here of Traffic Secrets with you guys. So if you have been, obviously, the books don't ship until May 5th, but tons of you guys have been, told me you got the audio book, which is awesome. If you've been listening to all of the things, today we're going to be jumping into secret number three, which is by far the most, probably one of, if not the most, important secrets in the entire book, which I'm excited for you guys to get into. So things we've covered so far. Secret number one, we talked about who is your dream customer and really getting a deep understanding of them. Are they moving towards pleasure or away from pain? Are they a searcher? Are they a scroller? Getting deep into their mindsets so we understand them because if we understand who they are, then we can understand secret number two, which is where are they actually hiding. Where are they congregating online? Where is the existing streams of traffic happening? So we can go, we can find those people, and we can tap into them. So that's number two. So now secret number three is what we call, are you guys ready for this? Hook, story, offer, and the attractive character. Now, man, if you guys have been following me at all for the last two years, not quite, a year and a half or so, about a year and half ago-ish is when I first came up with the new framework, hook, story, offer. And I started freaking out. I was like, "Ah." And I remember it was one of those things, where I was doing a training for my two comma club X members, and it just kind of came out. I was teaching something, and I was like, "if you notice, every single page in the funnel has hook, story, offer. The ad does. The emails do. The landing page, the sales page, upsells, every single page has hook, story, offer. And as we got deeper and deeper into it, I realized that if anything in the funnel isn't working, it's always because of either the hook, the story, or the offer. And then I started freaking out. I remember the next morning I came in, it was like six in the morning. I was lifting weights with James P. Friel and Dave Woodward. And I was like, "You guys, guess what? I just figured out this thing." And they're like, "What is it?" I'm like, "It's called hook, story, offer." And they're like, "That sounds weird." And we spent the entire hour, we didn't lift a single weight that day. We just talked about hook, story, offer. And they were freaking out. I was freaking out. I'm looking at every funnel we've ever done. Like, what was the thing that made them work and not work? And it was crazy that every single time it always had to come down, and it was always either the hook, the story, or the offer. And so I want to give you guys, as you guys know, when I wrote the new Traffic Seekers book, at the same time I went and I rewrote the DotCom secrets book. I rewrote the Expert Secrets book. And then I wrote this book as well. I wrote this one first, and then rewrote those other two. And because hook, story, offer, it's crazy because it's such a fundamental important concept. But because I didn't come up with that framework until after these first two books were published, these two books were missing it. And so part of the big rewrites in these include the hook, story, offer. So in DotCom Secrets book, I go deep in hook, story, offer. Expert Secrets, I go back into it as well. In DotCom Secrets, we talk a lot about funnel audibles and testing your funnel and funnels not working. And there's a whole new section in the back here about that. And what's cool about it is it's all based back on hook, story, offer. Anyway, and so in the new book, Traffic Secrets, I talk a lot about this as well because it's such a big part. In fact, traffic, one of the most important things I've tracked is being good at throwing out hooks. A hook is like, how do you grab someone's attention? Most of our customers all day are on their phone scrolling, and they're scrolling, and they're scrolling. A hook is the thing that gets them to stop scrolling. So the hook could be the picture of you. Notice I didn't just do this on a white wall. I'm like, "Hey, I need a picture back here." And I totally forgot. I usually have something different back here, but there's the default Apple TV backdrop. I've got my books here. And then, notice I'm doing things like this. I'm trying to hook your attention. So if you're scrolling through Facebook or Instagram, all of a sudden you see this. Like, "Why is Russell so excited? Ah." And that hooks you. So hook could be the headline. It could be the image. It could be the picture. It could be a backer. It's everything you have in your tool chest to grab someone's attention. There's hook. Okay. The second part of hook, story, offer is story, which in the Expert Secrets book is the deep dive on story, storytelling, story process, how it works, how it doesn't work. And so I talk about story a lot here, but Traffic Secrets is primarily finding the people and getting hooks to grab their attention. Expert secrets is like how you tell the story to build a perceived value of what you're going to sell. And then actually, in Dotcom secrets, we go deeper into offer. So you got hook, story, offer. They kind of weave backwards in the books, but I touch upon them deep in each book. But so, Traffic Seekers book, in section number three, or secret number three, is all about hook, story, offer. So I'm going to flip open to there really quick. So you see the picture here. If you guys can see, if you're watching, you can see there's a picture of all these little hooks. Then there's the story. And there's the offer. And this is the core framework of funnels. When you really start understanding it. All right. Are you guys cool, if I read you part of the book? Ah. Okay, I'm going to read you a story. And this is, anyway, this is a fun one. "So it was 9:27 PM. Sorry. It's 9:27 PM. And the last of Jessica's kids had just fallen asleep. It had been a long day that started out way before the sun came up and was finally ending. While Jessica was exhausted, it was her time now. And she had a few precious moments to herself without kids pulling her in a million directions." Does that sound like any of you guys? If you've got kids, it sounds like me, especially during this quarantine. "Soon she would have to start her nighttime routine of cleaning up the house, getting herself ready for bed, taking off her makeup, and finally falling asleep for a few hours before she had to wake up and start it all over again. As she fell on the couch, she reached in to her pocket and slowly pulled out her phone. What had been happening in everyone else's lives today, she wondered. She opened Facebook and swiped through the lives of her friends and family, hoping to find some comfort, knowing that she wasn't the only one who had a busy day. Soon she started to get bored. But when she was about to close the app, she saw an image fly past her screen. She almost missed it, but she slowly moved her finger back up the phone, bringing the picture into the middle of the screen. Yep. She thought she was right. It was a picture of a woman about her age in workout clothes with gray shorts on. The thing that caught her eye wasn't the shorts, though, it was the dark gray spot in the middle of her shorts. A little confused. She looked around above the image and read the words, 'Let me tell you about the time that I peed my pants during a workout. I was filming for dollar workout club. I'd never been so embarrassed before.' Jessica was right. It was a picture of a grown woman who had peed her pants. She laughed for a second, but then her laughter turned into uneasiness as she realized that she knew exactly how this woman had felt. She had experienced the same thing earlier that year, when her kids had wanted her to jump on the trampoline with them. She wanted to be a good mom, but after a few jumps, she had to get off because she had peed her pants. She quickly came up with a reason why she couldn't jump anymore. And after apologizing to her kids, she had run to her house to get changed. She knew the story she told her kids wasn't true, which added to her mom guilt even more. This also made her think about other activities she knew she would love to do but were off limits for the same reason. After a few seconds of looking at the image, Jessica decided she wanted to see why in the world this woman would post a picture of herself on Facebook telling others that she had peed her pants. She clicked on the image and was immediately taken to the page of the video with the same woman in the picture. Jessica clicked on the video and started listening to the story. The woman's name was Natalie Hodson, and she was a fitness blogger and a mom of two amazing kids, who were both 10 pound babies. Natalie told her embarrassing story, when she accidentally peed her pants during a workout she was filming for her blogs. She then talked about a doctor that she had met, who specialized in helping women with this problem. She shared how the doctors were able to help her. And after she had success, she wanted to share it with other women. Natalie mentioned she had worked with the doctor to create an online program that anyone could do from home with simple exercises to strengthen their abs, core, and pelvic floor. Together, Natalie and the doctors, made an ebook that also came with bonuses, like diet, nutrition trips, exercises, and movements, and special training programs. They wanted to make this offer for all the moms who had struggled with accidental leaks after having babies but didn't have the ability to meet with the doctor in person. Instead, you could get the same advice without ever leaving the comfort of your home, and you can get the ebook with all these bonuses mentioned for just $47. Excited, Jessica jumped off the couch and ran across the room to find her credit card. After typing in her credit card numbers, within minutes, she had access to the ebook that would solve her problem forever. Even though Jessica story is fictional, this type of experience does happen each and every day to women who are embarrassed when they accidentally pee their pants a little bit, when they cough, sneeze, or even jump on the trampoline. Over the past three years, over 120,000 women have purchased Natalie's ebook. This made Natalie Hodson a household name, giving her the ability to change the lives of countless women around the world and made her very wealthy in the process. The framework that Natalie used to get 120,000 people to buy her book, Abs, Core, Pelvic Floor, is called hook, story, offer." Oh, you guys see where this is going? Okay. So think about this. This is happening every single day. And I shared that story at the beginning because Natalie's business has blown up, but it's all based on the same concept. People have their phones, or they're on their computer. They're scrolling through Facebook and Instagram, through YouTube, through blogs, like whatever their method of learning is. They're doing their thing. And then something's got to capture their attention. Now for us, as business owners, as marketers, as entrepreneurs, as funnel hackers, our job has become great at getting people's attention, throwing out hooks that grab their attention. So for Natalie, as she was scrolling through their feed, they see her standing there embarrassed with the peed pants. Like she’s sobbing. What is that? Boom. You got them. You hooked them just long enough that you can now tell them a story. Now, the goal of the story is to increase the perceived value of whatever it is you're going to be selling. And then, excuse me, and then you make them an offer.. And that's it. That's the game. That's how we drive traffic. That's how we sell products with things that we're selling inside of our funnel. And I mentioned this earlier, what's interesting is as you start looking at your funnel, at your ad campaigns, everything, if something's not working, launched the ad campaign. It's not working. Why? It's always because of one of these three things, either the hook wasn't right. It's not getting people's attention. Or if it is grabbing attention, but then they're not buying, that means the story did not increase the perceived value of what they're selling, or what you're selling. And if the hook's good, and the story's good, it means the offers is no good. So if you get all three of them working, then everything works in the funnel. And that's true every page. Like the ad, there's a hook, a story, and an offer on the ad. There's a hook, story, offer on the landing page. There's a hook, story, offer on the sales page. Hook, story, offer on the upsell page. Hook, story, offer on the down sell page. Every single page in the funnel has a hook, a story, and an offer. This video alone, literally, I'm here with you guys. This video is a hook. There's a whole bunch of hooks around me. There's the books, the pictures. There's me reading a story. There's me being all animated. There's stuff like that. There's a headline. It's the hook, story, offer, attracted character on Facebook. It wasn't on Instagram because I can't do headline on Instagram. But that was the hook. And so far, live, I've gotten about 200 people on Instagram and about 350-ish on Facebook. So 500 people, boom, and with a second scroll because hook grabbed you guys to get your attention. Now, I have your attention. Now my job is to tell you a story. And the goal of my story is to increase the perceived value of the offer I'm going to be making. So I'm telling you a story about this book. I'm talking about it. I'm reading parts of it to you. I'm getting you excited, where you like, "Oh my gosh, I need that book." And if I've done my job right, if the story is good, it's increased the perceived value of this book. And then I make you the offer. Like, "Hey, I want you to go to trafficsecrets.com and get a copy of his book right now." Here's my offer so the offer is this book normally sells on Amazon for 24 95. You can get it for free at trafficsecrets.com. It's pre-launch right now, but you can get it for free. You just pay 9.95 shipping and handling, and I'll ship one out to you, as soon as we start shipping on May 5th. And then on top of that, I've got five bonuses you can go through immediately. There's five different videos you get for free. And you get this video. Each video is over an hour long of some of the greatest traffic minds on the planet. One was an hour long presentation that I gave at funnel hacking live. One's an hour long presentation, or a 30 minute presentation, for Peng Joon on traffic. And then there's Prince Ea. He's got over 3 billion views on his videos. There's a presentation from him. And there's, I'm blanking on the offer, but there's all these things. And now, if you go to trafficsecrets.com, you get this right now. So good. Hook, boom. I threw a hook out there. Got attention of 500 of you right now. And this will probably get, I don't know, between, over the next week, probably a hundred thousand plus views. So a hundred thousand people see this, if the hook was right. Okay. I tell the story. The story should be engaging. We get to know each other. And then I make you an offer. Hook, story, offer. That is the foundation of all marketing, all business. That's why it's now in the DotCom Secrets, Expert Secrets and the Traffic Secrets books. It's your job to understand that. Now, in the Traffic Secrets book, it's called hook, story, offer, and the attractive character because it's you. It's your personality. You're the one who's throwing these hooks out. You're the one grabbing people's attention. You're going to have to be engaging. You have to be exciting. You have to be figuring things out. And there's books everywhere on every platform. Like, any of you guys who follow me on Instagram, you go to my wall. Everyone of those images is a hook. Like yesterday, I did an image of me holding a post-it note that had a scripture from the book of Esther that said, perhaps, I'm going to mess up the quote right now. "But perhaps you were born for times of right now." That was a hook to people's attention. There are all this panic, all this fear, and people are scrolling through feed. And then boom, I'm throwing the thing to say, "Look, the S is scary, but this is your time. It's time to step up and try to stand." I hooked. I was telling you a story. And the offer is just people like it. I think I had like 4,000 likes in the first, I don't know, like five or six hours. So hook, story, offer. It's happening there. It's happening there. It's happening when I'm selling, happening in my videos, happening in my emails, happening in my ads. Everywhere you're publishing, everything you're doing, hook, story, offer is there, over and over and over and over and over again. Kim said, "Russell, is a hook just an image?" It's not just an image. It can be an image. Yes. But it can be so many other things. A hook is anything that grabs your attention. And so when you're scrolling through your feed, sometimes the thing is like, in fact, this is your assignment. Tonight, when we got off this, whenever you get off this, whatever you're listening to, go to Instagram or Facebook or YouTube, wherever you're excited about. And just start scrolling, just go through the feed and start scrolling. And notice what things grab your attention. And when someone grabs your attention, stop. And then what was it that grabbed the attention? Was it the headline? Was it the image? Was it the crazy person? Was it something? Was it the comments? There's something that grabbed attention. Whatever that was that grabbed attention is the hook. So I'm making my videos. I'm looking for, I set up this location, right here, for a couple reasons. Like, here's a potential hook that might grab some. You see some books. I could put something on the screen, back here. I'm in my funnel hacker shirt. I'm excited. I'm talking. All these elements are things I'm doing to try to hook people. I don't know what's going hook. Something hooked all of you guys. Some of it's because you know who I am. So that's the hook. Some of it's, you're looking for traffic. That's the hook. Some of you guys just like, "There's this weird guy who's all excited. What is it? what's happening?" The hook is different… your energy is the best hook. So hook is just, it's whatever it is that grabs their attention. So it's all the tools we have in our tool chest. We're trying all of them. We're throwing everything out to get their attention just long enough that they're going to stop from their scrolling. List stop. And then you say, "Okay, cool. Now, I got your attention. Let me tell you a story." I'm telling the story. And again, the goal of the story is to build, to increase the perceived value of the thing that I'm going to sell them next, the offer I'm going to make. And then I make an offer. That's the game. That's it. What's fun is because now it's like when people have a funnel, like, "My funnels not working, Russ. What do I do?" And it's funny. I have people, we do consulting. And it's, I don't really do it any more because it just, I ran out of time. But last time I did consulting it was a hundred grand for a day, and people coming in like, "My funnel's not working. I want to increase." Literally, what I would do, I would go to the ad and look at that and say, "Okay, this ad is doing all right. How can we make it better? Is there any better hooks we could use? Is there a better story you can tell? What's a better offer?" And we spent some time on that. Then we'd go to the landing page. "Okay, here's your landing page. Cool. It's doing all right. What's a better hook we can do? What's a better story we could tell? What's a better offer?" And then go to sales page, hook, story, offer, hook, story, and that's it. There's no magic trick. You want to see the magician, how he reveals his magic tricks. That literally is it. It's hook, story, offer. If you paid me a hundred grand today, that's all we would do. What's interesting is at funnel hacking live two years, let's see, not last year but a year before, funnel hacking live, my opening keynote presentation, I talked about hook, story, offer for first time ever. And I remember Stacy Martino was there, and she said, "I went home that night. And I was like, 'Okay, I need some help, but I don't know what to do. If I was to pay Russell, he would just tell me it's hook, story, offer. So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to think what's my hook, my story, offer'." She started looking at her business. She said, "Oh my gosh, my story is amazing. My offer's amazing. I'm not throwing out enough hooks." She says, "I'm going to throw out some more hooks." So she started doing all these things, and she messaged me, I don't know, like two weeks later. She's like, "Russell, thanks for consulting." I'm like, "hat are you talking about?" She's like, "You told me that if I was to hire you, you'd do hook, story, offer. So I just looked through my own business. I said, 'Is it the hook, the story, the offer?' I realized it was hook. I threw out a bunch more hooks. And she said, "We just had the most profitable month of our entire business because of that." I'm like, "Wow, that's amazing." Like now, you know my tricks. Now I'm useless in the equation. That's what's important for you guys to understand. Your job as marketers is to become good at throwing out hooks that grab someone's attention. Then after you have their attention, tell them a story that builds the perceived value of the offer you're going to make them. And then make them an irresistible offer. When you become good at that, you'll be able to write your own paychecks for the rest your life. So your homework right now is to start going through your feed, newsfeed, Instagram, Facebook, Google, anywhere you're going at and start paying attention to the hooks that are grabbing your attention. And then if the hook grabs your attention, click on it. And then go listen. Listen to what's the story. What's the hook on the landing page? What's the story they're telling you? What's the offer? And you start paying attention. This is what funnel hacking is all about, noticing what's happening and watching it and paying close attention because the way you do this is not going to be magic. It's just you're looking at that, and you're figuring out how do I do the same thing? How do I throw out hooks? How do I tell stories? Especially right now, like right now, the media is good at this. Why is media pushing so much fear? Because fear is a great hook I'm not a big believer in let's throw fear out there to try to sell products. But that's what the media is doing. They're really good at throwing out hooks. They call it clickbait. The clickbait, they're trying to get hooks out there. It's the same thing, but ethical, that you're trying to do. And so that should help. So Mateo said, "How do you help us survive in Corona time?" This is how you survive. You need to build a life preserver around your business. The life preserver are customers. Business is all about just getting customers and serving them at the highest level possible. People still have money. There's the false belief like, "Oh no, people don't have money." It's like, no, they still have money. Money hasn't disappeared. It's going to shift a lot of businesses. People are losing jobs and stuff, but it's like, you understand people have money. They're still spending money on things that they need. Like, look at what people are buying now. There's a lot of things people are buying right now. You have to understand that, and you have to protect your company. You have to build a life preserver of customers. And how do you do that? The best way is to get traffic, people, customers to you, which is why I'm going live every single day until further notice about this Traffic Secrets book because that's what I'm talking about. I know I have an interview. I got to jump off. It's happening in three minutes. So I'm going to bounce, but I want all you guys right now, it's time right now, during this moment of fear and frustration and quarantine and whatever the season we're in right now, this is the time for you to sharpen your saw and become better. I recommend going to trafficsecrets.com, getting copy of the free book. The book doesn't ship until May 5th. But the order form bump, the upsells is the audio book, which is seven hours of me reading the book. You can get it today. It's ready right now. So that's happening. And then, like I said, I'm going live every day during the weekday, going through chapter by chapter. So go pay attention. Go back and watch and start learning these principles. Even while you're waiting for the book, you can start understanding these principles and start becoming better at them. And test some hooks today. Post something on your Instagram wall or your Facebook wall or wherever you post stuff and test a hook out. See if you can get someone's attention. And just practice your hooks because the better you get at hooks, the more people. That's kind of game plan. So, all right, that's it you guys. It's time. Go get your book at trafficsecrets.com. I appreciate you guys. Thanks for hanging out today. You're all amazing. And I hope you guys enjoy your time in quarantine. I know it's scary and stressful times, but we need to be focusing on the positive and focusing on building life preservers around your business, which is traffic. It's customers. It's people. And so let's focus all about how to get, not just customers. If I can get this down here, not just customers, but how to get your dream customers, the right ones, the ones you actually want to serve into your business. And so that's the game plan. All right. Thanks guys. Appreciate you all. And we'll talk to you all tomorrow. All right. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here is another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. On this episode, Russell will show you how finding your 'Dream 100' can help you attract your dream customers! You'll learn: How Russell gets BIG influencers to spend thousands of dollars promoting his own products. Where to find YOUR 'Dream 100'. How to get 4 FREE videos from FunnelFlix! Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson welcome back to the party. I'm excited to be here with you guys today and we are going live right now on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. I think we're all over the place. So appreciate you guys hanging out with me today and I hope you've enjoyed this Traffic Secrets book launch. It's been going on this whole week. I know a lot of you guys are in quarantine right now, and you are bored out of your mind try to figure out what to do. Some of you guys are stressed out beyond all belief. I get it. Some of you guys are like, "This is dumb. Why are we even worrying?" And I get it as well. So there's a lot of chaos right now in the world. And the only thing we can control is our own mindset and things. We're focusing on things we're putting into our brain. And so I keep choosing to try to put my mind focusing on things I can affect things I can change, which really is this is probably one of, if not the best personal development weeks for all of us in the world, which is exciting. So, all right, really quick. Before I jump into reading some more of the book today, it's interesting. We did our ClickFunnels meeting and today we had the highest, excuse me yesterday. So yesterday we had the highest number of people logging to ClickFunnels ever, it's more than double what happens on a normal day, which means this is literally the season of funnel building. Okay guys, you're at home. You got the chance right now to finally create. There's always this excuse like, "Oh, I can't build a funnel because of this, because of this I'm too busy. I got this. I got blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." There's always for some reason, people always have this. We call it the mañana principle like, "Oh, tomorrow mañana tomorrow. I'll do it tomorrow. I'll do it." Okay. What I want to do. I want to suggest something for you guys right now. Okay. I want you to take this mañana principle. Most of us have like, "I'll do the work tomorrow. I'll do the thing tomorrow. I'll do tomorrow," tomorrow, tomorrow. I want you to do this as an exercise it will be really fun. Okay. What you're going to do and is the thing that you need to be doing that you normally put off till mañana. I want you to stop and I want you to do that today. Okay. And then the stressing that you were planning on doing today, stressing out about the coronavirus about food, about toilet paper whatever you're stressing about. I want you to take that stress and I want you to stress about it mañana. We're just shifting. This is an easy shift. Okay. We're taking the stuff right now that we're normally worried about. Okay. And that we're shifting it to mañana and the stuff that we normally are going to do to mañana. The stuff that's actually important about building our life, building our business, building our family. We're going to shift till today. Okay. Is shifting the mañana principle. Okay. If you guys can do that, it's going to be amazing for you. Okay because number one, you're not going to be stressed out because you're going to be stressed like, "I don't have time right now. I'm busy building funnels tomorrow I will worry about the stress." And then today you can get back to work. Okay. And what's cool about that. If you do it today, okay. It's going to be all of Friday all today to be able to work, to be able to create, to be able to read, be able to study, be able to learn every other thing that you've been procrastinating. You really have a chance to finally do it today. Okay. And all the stress that you've been sitting on for the last week, you'll move to tomorrow. You be like, "Worry about it tomorrow." and then ask yourself will you survive today? Is your family going to be okay? You got food for today, sweet worry about tomorrow. Let's get back to work. And then what's going to be cool is tomorrow I'm going to suggest to you the same thing. Move it, till mañana, and get back to work. Okay. So there you go. There's the mañana principle in a way that will actually serve you as opposed to hurting you. But again, we had more than double, as many people log in clickfunnels yesterday than we've ever had. Okay. Which means it's a season right now. It's a season to build funnels. It's a season to build hope season to start preparing and building your foundation because this season is going to pass. Okay. And the people who aren't frozen by fear in the season. Okay. When they come out of it, they're going to have a chance to be able to go and create and do some amazing things. So I want to make sure you guys aren't freezing during the season of fear. Okay, worry about it tomorrow. Mañana right now, get back to work focus on stuff you can control things you can create things you can do because the season will end. And I don't know if it's going to be two weeks from now, two months from now, two years from now, it does not matter. Okay. It's going to end. And the people who have been preparing during the season who have been planting the seeds right now are the ones who reap harvest. So now how to plant seeds. So what that means, two things. Number one, if you haven't got a Traffic Secrets book yet, go and get it. This is the seeds you need to get to the master traffic. Number two, this right here is FunnelFlix. Okay. Now FunnelFlix is an amazing tool. I have licensed, I think there's 2,600 videos on that. Okay. All of the courses I learned from, as I was learning this game, I went to all those people and I was like, "Your courses were the best that I ever went through. Can I license them from you?" And I paid them a small fortune, I think over a million dollars so far in licensing fees because I wanted to be Netflix for entrepreneurs. So we entered the streaming wars. We launched FunnelFlix and it's live. And right now we have a really cool thing for this weekend. It's called the FunnelFlix premier week, where you go to FunnelFlix.com right now and you put your email address in there and you get these four videos. 1, 2, 3, 4, I think each date unlocks one. So you'll get this one immediately. The first one is Frank Kern. If you don't know Frank Kern, he's one of the OGs of internet marketing. We had him speak of funnel hacking live. We didn't tell anybody he was coming. It was top secret. And then in the middle of, we had this whole FunnelFlix presentation. We had him come down and bang on the thing. And it opened up and Frank came out and delivered a message. It was insanely good. And people went nuts. It was like, standing ovation, screaming. It was as close to when a rockstar would feel like in our world, if you can imagine that imagine your biggest rockstar coming out and all the people flip out. That's what happened. And we captured it for you and you can go watch that presentation right now. Well, not right now. Wait til this is over, then watch it this weekend. And then if you like Frank's stuff, I licensed every... No I think almost 13 or 14 Frank's courses almost everything he's ever published is also in FunnelFlix now. So if you are a FunnelFlix member, you can geek out on Frank this weekend and get excited. It's all in there, all his best stuff's in there, which is exciting. So funnelflix.com. So this is trafficsecrets.com. Go get your book, get the audio books, go start listening, getting prepared there. And then over here's funnelflix.com as well. So that's the game plan. All right. You guys ready? Is everything... Is mañana principle in place. You've taken all your stress, your fears. You move it until tomorrow. Worry about it tomorrow. Today, you're focusing on planting seeds for your future. Are you guys cool with that? All right. If you're ready to start planning seeds for future, let's go. So what I'm going to do right now, back to the Traffic Secrets book. This has been so much fun reading this with you guys. So Traffic Secrets book. How many you guys are pumped about getting this book? I know we sold, I don't know, 10,000 the first day. I don't know how many right now, but we're selling tons of these. So I know most CBS have got, if you don't have, for some reason now is the time go to trafficsecrets.com. Okay. So I'm going to repeat. So we've gone through a lot of stuff in the book together. If you've been watching these videos each day, the first day I talked about the preface, preface however you say that all about there's a storm coming. And right now we're literally in the middle of the storm. I wrote this a year and a half ago, this part, and it's crazy that now we're sitting in the eye of the storm. So there you go. I don't know how I could time this any better. So introduction, there's a storm coming we talked about that. Then we talked about, we did two days on secret number one, which was, who is your dream customer? Okay. There's a lot of stuff in this chapter. Things I talked about with you guys figuring out, are your customers trying to move away from pain or towards pleasure, understanding that? And we talked about the difference between the searcher and the scroller and the mindset shift and what they're doing and how we structure things differently based on who they are that was secret number one. Okay. And figured out who is our dream customer. Again, getting to understand them at a deep level. Then secret number two we talked about is now we know who those people are, where are they actually hiding online? Where are they congregating? How can we find them? And we talked about how basically our job then if you look at this picture, here was all about finding where in the world these people are, where are they congregating online? And then from there we got to figure out our hooks, throw in there to grab them and pull them into our funnels, which is cool. All right. And then today we're still in secret number two today, we're moving on to a concept called the dream 100. All right. How many of you guys have heard me talk about dream 100 before I've been preaching this for quite a long time. So hopefully you guys have heard me talk about this more than once someone's asking to turn my camera around. I can't because I'm at home quarantine by myself. So I'm doing this by myself. I can't hold it backwards. I can get my kids come hold it here, but then be like, anyway, be chaos. So, right so again, first step of traffic is knowing who, getting deep understanding who it is you want, who your customers are. Number two, where are they congregating? Where are they hanging out? Right. And then number three is understanding, okay. Who are the people that are already congregating these people. Okay. A lot of times we think that we have to go and create traffic in fact, one of my first mentors, I've had so many great mentors over the years. One of them was a guy named Steven Pierce. And I remember Steven Pierce saying something in an event. He said, "People always think they have to create traffic." He's like, "You don't have to create traffic. Traffic's already there." You just have to figure out where it's at and then you tap into it. And that was one of those big, aha moments for me. Because I was trying to create traffic. Right. And so when I understood that, I was like, "Okay, I'm not going to create traffic. I got to find where they are." And this comes back to, we talked about it yesterday, which is finding these pockets, right. What are the blogs that my dream customers read? What are the Facebook groups? And what are the influencers they follow? What keywords they search for on Google? What blogs they... I think I said, blogs, what podcasts they listen to? I'm trying to figure out where are these pockets of customers? Right. So we got to understand that. And so that's the first step. So then the second step in this process is like, "Well, who's already congregated these people." There's people that have been doing this game for a long time, a lot longer than you, longer than me. Right. And they've already self congregated these people. So I decided to figure out, where are these congregations at? Because if I can figure out where those congregations are at, then I can tap into them. Right? And so that's where we get this concept called the dream 100. Now I learned this originally from a guy named Chet Holmes I had a chance to hang out with Chet, a bunch of times he wrote the book, The Ultimate Sales Machine, which is an amazing book, Chet passed away a few years ago, but someone I've had ton of respect for, actually 10 years ago, Tony Robbins event in Fiji. I was there, me and Chet both spoke and hang out a lot. But in Chet's book, he wrote concept called dream 100. And what the dream 100 is, he talked about, he worked for Charlie Munger, who is… what's his name? Charlie… Warren Buffet's business partner in one of his companies. And Chet was running this magazine. And I guess the time I can't remember, I haven't read all the details in the book, but they were the worst magazine in their industry had almost no advertisers. And they had a database of 2,500 people. And they're trying to message all these people and get to the advertising counsel and he couldn't do it. So Chet came in. He's like, "Hey, this is too hard for us to go off all these people, who are the people in the industry that buy the majority of the ads," we found, it's 30 people, maybe it's a hundred, I don't know. But there's a group of people, small group, right? That buy all the ads in our industry. So he said instead of marketing to all 2,500 or 25,000, or how many people are in there let's just target the ones that have the most amount of money. And so he built up a list and he started doing what he called pigheaded discipline, PHD, where he would start messaging. So every week he'd send them something in the mail. And then two weeks later he'd call them on the phone send something in the mail call them on the phone send something in the mail, call them on the phone, right? The decision makers who could move the needle for him. And he said after six months, I think it was six months, nothing happened. And he was frustrated, but he's got pigheaded discipline. He kept doing it, kept doing it. And within a year within I think seven months he landed his first client. It was Xerox or something crazy, who signed a contract. It was the biggest advertisers they'd ever had. And then next month they just land another one within a year or two years. Again, all the actual details are in here. They landed 30 of their dream, 100. And they went from the worst magazine in the industry to the top. And it was by figuring out who are the people that can drive you the most and creating a marketing campaign directly to them. And it was interesting. And then Chet talked about he wrote a screenplay for a movie and same thing like, "I wrote screenplay. I want it to turn to a movie or something, but I don't know how to do it, I'm not in Hollywood." So he's like... So he bought a, I think it was a time magazine or something that was like Hollywood's top 100 influencers or something. And he was like, "That's my dream, 100." So he took it was directors, producers, writers, whatever. And he took it and he's like, okay, "I'm going to dream 100, these people." So he sent his script to all 100, of these people. Then he called them on the phone and he sent them a gift and they called him. And eventually I think it was LeAnn Rimes called him back, loved the script, got the deal, pitched it to things, sold it to Hollywood. And they ended up making a play out of it, I believe anyway, I don't remember all the details, but that was the dream 100. So I remember reading that in Chet's original book. And then I asked him about it. I'm like, "There's something here, but I don't know what it is." Because I'm selling a book. I can't dream 100 everyone and be like, "Hey, you should buy a copy of my free book." Because it's [email protected], right? It's not efficient. It would cost me too much. But then I was like, "Wait a minute. There are people on my list or there're people in my world who already have congregated my dream 100." I told you yesterday I got to figure out what are the blogs they're reading? Right. So if I figure out here's the blog, they're reading, there's a 100,000 readers of this blog who are my dream customers, wait, who owns the blog? Who's in charge of that blog? What if I started marketing directly to that person, got to know them and send them gifts and whatever. And if they like it and then they make a blog post about it. I might sell 50 or a hundred or a thousand copies of my book. Right. And I think who are my dream 100, what podcasts they listening to? And they're like, wait, "If someone owns a podcast and my dream customers are listening, what if I market to the person who owns the podcast? What if I got that person to say yes. And also they promoted it to their podcast and I make a thousand sales overnight." Okay. And that was where the concept of the dream 100 was born for us. And so for the last decade of my life is what I've been doing. I've been figuring out who, in fact yesterday, people are like, "Russell, what do you do every day all day?" I spent three hours yesterday on my phone, which is right here. My Instagram folks are watching me live on the device I use. I spent three, almost four hours yesterday contacting my dream 100. That's it, personal messages to all of them. Boom. "Hey, this is Russell." I send a gift. Hey, this is Russell. Hey, this is Russell. Hey, this is Russell. And that's what I did for four hours yesterday, dream 100. But Russell, "I thought you were trying to sell tons of your book, why were you doing Facebook ads?" There's people doing Facebook ads, but I would rather get one person who could spend a hundred thousand dollars… Like Peng Joon right now. You guys probably seen the ads for the book, right? Peng Joon, is spending tons of money right now, buying Facebook ads, promoting my book so I can go and buy more Facebook ads myself. Or I can build a relationship with Peng Joon because of my dream 100. And then he promotes it and he spends a 100,000 own pocket selling the book. That's a much better way to do it. Right. And so for me, this is the phase I'm going, my dream 100. I'm training people to write blog, posts, do podcast interviews and send out emails to the list and all sorts of stuff. Okay. But that's the magical dream 100. So anyway I want you guys to get the book it took me three days to read it, so I can't spend all three days just reading the whole thing, that's why I want you guys to get it. So when you get the book on page 41, this is the little chart I made of the dream 100. It's probably going to be backwards for some of these cameras, but basically I do each platform. So Facebook, Instagram, podcasting, YouTube, excuse me. Email lists, blogging, Google, YouTube, Pinterest. Right. So I put out the categories of each of the different industries here and then going down what I do it's okay. Who on Facebook is already congregated my dream 100? Okay. And so for me, I was like, "Well, okay, Tony Robbins has got 3.2 million fans, Grant Cardone's got, I don't know, 2 million fans. We've got Prince Ea got a billion fans," whatever. And I start making a list of all the people who've already congregated my dream customers. Who are they? Where are they at? Okay. I go to Facebook. I make a list as many as I can find. Okay. And then I might go to Instagram. Who are the influencers, who've already congregated my dream 100. And I go to Instagram. So I, write out their names. Oh, this person, this person, this person start listing out all their names. Then I go to podcasts. Okay. Who are the podcasters who've already congregated my dream 100. I start listing all the names and the podcast people who are the YouTube channels that already congregated my dream 100, who already have a million subscribers. I can go spend the next six years trying to get a million subscribers, or I can go to the person that already got a million subscribers. And if I can do a deal with him or her, have them make a video for me, boom. Now I'm suddenly in front of a million people that fast. Okay. You see how this works. Then who's got the email list in my industry. Who's the bloggers. Okay. And I start making lists of all these different things. And that becomes my dream 100. Okay. And so I'm starting traffic again. Notice this whole book I haven't said a single word about Facebook ads yet. Right? Everyone's like, "On Facebook ads, lets do Google ads." guy comes eventually. That's in section two in the middle, but there's all this foundational stuff. That's so much easier to get traffic. Okay. When Facebook shuts you down, what are you guys going to do? You going to be freaking out? Like, "I don't know what to do." And I'll be like, "I'm just going to call my dream 100. They already have an email list. They already got a blog. They had a podcast. I'll just see if I can go on the podcast." Boom. And we do that with our dream 100. So man, this stuff's so much fun. I could go for years about this. Let me see if I want to talk about anything else today on this or, oh, got to read you guys something. Can I read you a little piece? Are you okay with that? So it's funny how many of you guys know Rachel Hollis? If you don't, okay. Last year her book was the number two selling book in the world. The only one that beat, it was Michelle Obama's book. Okay. She wrote a book called Girl, Wash Your Face. And then Girl, Stop Apologizing this is book number two. And it's funny because I never heard of her. And then I went to this mastermind retreat and I did a list of all the different people. And one of them was a guy named Dave Hollis. Who's Rachel's husband. And I didn't know who he was. And I met him and I messed with my wife that night. I'm like, "Oh, I met this cool guy named Dave Hollis." And she's like, "Dave Hollis is that Rachel's husband." I'm like, "I don't know who's Rachel." And she's like, "Rachel's the biggest thing in the world," anyways so funny. And so had a chance to meet Dave and then got to meet Rachel and really, really cool. But last year we were in Puerto Rico at a mastermind event sitting around the room and everyone's talking about, their things. And it's funny because in this room there's 20 people and half of them are New York Times bestsellers. Half of them got three or four, five New York Times bestselling books. And it's just an intimidating room to be in. Right. And we're all talking and then someone started asking a question about how do they sell books? And everyone's given their two cents, I'm just writing, things a million miles a minute. And then Rachel starts talking and she said something and just boom, drop the mic. So I read to you. She said says recently I was in a mastermind event in Puerto Rico and I had a chance to spend time with Rachel Hollis, the author of the number one New York times bestseller Girl, Wash Your Face at the time she was in the middle of launching her new book. Girl, Stop Apologizing. As I was in the middle of writing this book, I was curious about how she had sold over a million copies of her books. I asked her for the secret to selling that many copies and she told me, "We ask ourselves this question, what are the tribes that my women are already in? What network marketing companies are they in? What Facebook groups, what Instagram channels, what hashtags are they following?" After we identified these things, we tried to figure out who are the tribe owners of these women? Who do we need to become friends with anyone who had over 200,000 followers? We would direct message them, tell them who we were and ask them if we could talk. We started messaging everyone. Our focus was to find the tribes and then figure out the best ways to infiltrate them. And I said the dream 100, she recalled that was exactly what she had done to quickly become one of the bestselling authors of all time, which is crazy. And then I go on again. Quest nutrition, how many of you guys know quest nutrition, quest bars. So Tom Bilyeu is one of the founders of Quest bars. He was also in this mastermind group. And after this I was researching it. How in the world did he build quest to a billion? He sold it for a billion dollars. How did he build that company? I remember watching it explode overnight. And then he cashed out and I found an interview with him on the founder podcast. And it was interesting. He tells the story. He said "We had a very different approach that got a lot of people, excited, not just about the product, but they felt good about the way we treat them. We went old school, researching several hundred health and fitness influencers. Then sending them handwritten letters and free samples. This is all about showing an understanding of what others were trying to achieve. And that quest was interested in helping them connect with their audience. When people are building community, they have a real sense of service to that community. We would send them free product and just say, if you like it, tell your people. And if you hate it, tell them that too." "Not trying to steer people's comments to give us a pretty great recommendation or not trying to steer people's comments gave us a pretty great recommendation. Some didn't like it and said so, but the vast majority loved it and were grateful. We had shown an understanding of who they were and what they were trying to do. So they spread the word." You see what happened? Tom built a billion dollar brand off of what? The dream 100 wasn't Facebook ads. It wasn't Google ads. The dream 100, Rachel Hollis became bestselling author in the world off of what? The dream 100. Okay. That's the concept that in chapter two, you guys understanding who's your dream customer? Where are they congregating? Who is in charge of the congregation? Who's the leader. Who's the person that you can infiltrate? And then you got to get to those people. Right? And it's coming down to building relationships, getting to know them. How can I serve those people? Okay. I did a video on YouTube. In fact, you should all go to YouTube and go to YouTube type in Russell Brunson, Tony Robbins dream 100 and there's a video it's about 10 minutes long of me showing the decade long journey. I did dream 100 Tony Robbins, how I became friends with him, how I became business partners with him, how I got to promote my stuff. It wasn't me just spamming, "Hey promote me Tony." It was me for a year or excuse me a decade serving and building a relationship with him is my dream 100 and getting in and infiltrating that, okay. It's a very powerful, really real strategy. So it's the key though. So that's the next thing you guys is that even if you don't have the book yet, you should get it. It's free. So the only reason why you wouldn't get it is you must hate money or you hate traffic or one of those things, but you cover $10 shipping handle. You can get it, but even if you don't get it for whatever reason, you still know the concept now and understanding that. So what I would recommend doing, see if I can find the page when you get the books on page 41, but you don't need this book to do this. Just go make a graph like this and say, "Okay, who's already congregated my dream customers on Facebook, and start making a list of those names. Who's already congregated my dream. 100 on Instagram, make a list of those names on podcasts, on YouTube, on email, on blogs," and find those people. Those are the existing congregations, right? And when you do that, my goal would be to try to get a hundred people, right? So 10 people, 10 or 20 people on Facebook, 20 people on Instagram, 20 people on podcasts, 20 people get 20 of them 20. All these different platforms have a hundred people. Now there's your dream 100. Now when you have that, that becomes the people you're marketing to those 100 people, right? If I get one of those hundred people, say yes, it can blow up your business. I remember when I did this exercise with the DotCom Secrets book, one of my dream 100 and my podcasting thing was JLD John Lee Dumas, Entrepreneurs on Fire. I never met, excuse me. I never met him yet. Sent him a copy of the book, sent him a dream 100 package, got to know him a little bit, messaged me. He was like, "I love your book. Want to promote it." He had me on podcast. I think the first day he sold like 500 copies of the DotCom Secrets book. Okay. And I came off of one dream 100 package. Right? So if I know, here's a hundred people, these are the people I'm marketing to, I'm serving, I'm getting to know them. I'm building relationships. And I'm going to focus on putting in the time to get to know these people it'll pay off in dividends. Okay. So that's the first step in the traffic secrets process is the dream 100. Getting to understand that when we were launching ClickFunnels, it was interesting because I'm no coder. I don't have any technical ability. So while my business partner, Todd and my business partner at the time, Dylan, while they were coding ClickFunnels, you're wandering Russell, what did you do? You're useless to the equation. I know I can't code. So what did I do? This is what I did. I sat there all night while they're coding and I'm messaging people getting to know them, building relationships. I remember my dream 100, by the time we launched ClickFunnels was dream 328 or something. I don't know how many, but it had grown because I built all these relationships and we launched ClickFunnels and we grew it. And it's crazy now that, ClickFunnels five and a half years ago it started. Today. We have over a 100,000 active customers, 30% of you guys logged in yesterday, which is crazy. So 30,000 plus people logged in yesterday to build a funnel. What's crazy is that the majority of those customers came off of the following of my dream 100 the original dream 100 that I had set up five years ago. And I've been relentlessly getting to know them, building relationships, pursuing them, asking them, promote things, getting them to use ClickFunnels. I've been building free funnels for tons of them. I put in the hard work, the dream 100. And on the back side of that has been a company that does hundreds of millions of dollars a year. So anyway, I hope that helps getting the wheels you had spinning. That's just secret number two, the dream 100. So, all right. We're five or six days in this guys we've gotten through the introduction secret one and secret two has been good so far you learning good stuff. If you like this comment down below, like "That's awesome." If you're like "That was lame Russell, I don't need traffic. I hate traffic," then be like, "That was lame." I don't care. Let me know what other way. The more that you tell me the better, I know how to do these and I can keep doing, if you guys like I'm enjoying it, hopefully you are as well again, here's your call to action for you guys. If you don't have a copy of the book yet we're in pre-order right now, you can get [email protected]. The books actually ship May 5th, but you can download the audio book tonight and listen to this weekend. Binge, listen, and start getting these principles into your brain. The more you understand them the better a lot of you guys ask about box set. This is all three of my books, new updated hardbound versions of DotCom Secrets, Expert Secrets and Traffic Secrets, as well as this new work book called Unlock The Secrets as well. The only place to get this out is the upsell. So there you go. When you get a copy of the book, the first order form bump is the audiobook you say yes to that, you'll get the audiobook. And then if you want to get all the updated hardbound versions, that only way to get those is after you buy the book, we make an offer where you can get them all at the discount. So that's the only way to get those. I get them the box ships May 5th, but the audiobooks are there now. So you can start listing at ASAP that's number one. So where do I download if I already bought? If you go back trafficsecret.com is a link there says log in, click on login, and you can log into your members area. It's got all the bonuses, the videos, there's five hours of videos there as well. There's a whole bunch of cool stuff you get when you get the book for free and over here this weekend, it's you guys wonder what to do. Go binge watch stuff on FunnelFlix. We have a premier week for free. You can go and you can watch Frank Kern's presentation today for free each day, unlocks free presentations to get you to fall in love with FunnelFlix. So we're now part of the streaming wars. ClickFunnels is taking on Disney plus and Amazon. And it's all there for you guys as well. One thing I'm going to end with, I talked about this in very beginning, but those who logged in late is a mañana principle. And I want to just re stress this because this can help you guys during this time of crisis. So right now everyone's stressing out, right? Because of all the excuse me, the economic turmoil. And so what I'm going to do is I want you to take that stress and I want you to stress about it mañana tomorrow. So take that and tomorrow I'll worry about today. I'm focusing on planting seeds for my future. Okay? Start planting, seeds, plant seeds of reading book, creating funnels, building stuff, making videos, publishing, whatever your seeds are. Start planting those seeds ASAP. Okay. Because harvest is coming, but if you don't plant, now you're going to be screwed when the harvest comes. So start planting your seeds right now. Okay. And take all the stress of the coronavirus or whatever you're stressing about. Put that tomorrow, mañana, worry about that. And then all this, you leave for tomorrow, which is the planting of the seeds, "Oh, I'll plant tomorrow. I'm going to study tomorrow. I'll build a funnel tomorrow. I'll make a video tomorrow. I'll publish tomorrow." It's time to stop and take that to today, moving that forward and we're going to do it right now. That sound good. That's the game plan you guys. Appreciate you all for hanging out. This has been a fun week so far. Hopefully you're enjoying the time with your family and your loved ones. Make sure to prepare yourself you guys. We don't know what's going to happen, but the best thing you can be possibly doing right now is planting seeds for tomorrow. The harvest will come. If you've not planted during the season of planting, you're going to be in trouble. So now is the time. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for everything. Go your book, trafficsecrets.com, then funnelflix.com. Got have some fun and have a great weekend. Thanks everybody. We'll talk to you guys all again soon. Bye everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Enjoy another episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want to know EXACTLY where your Dream Customers are hanging out online? In this episode, Russell shares: Why you DON’T need to create brand new traffic. How to find the places where your dream customers are already congregating. How to hook your dream customers once you’ve found them. Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Hopefully you guys are all doing good today. We are in the next day of our Traffic Secrets Launch, talking about traffic secrets, and the book, and how you traffic to your funnels and a bunch of other amazing things. I hope you guys enjoyed the last few days. We've had a fun time to go through some of the things in the books and the concepts. So far, well over 10,000 of you guys have ordered the book, which is amazing. I think it's 3,000 or 4,000 of you guys have bought the audio book, which is the upsell order form bumps, which I'm super grateful for, because I spent three days in lockdown in a recording studio recording that for you guys. So thank you for making that time not a waste of my time and energy. It was crazy. For those who've never done an audio book, you literally have headphones on, and you're reading the book and there's someone listening to everything. And if you mess up, you have to stop, and then you go back, and you just go again, and if you mess up, you stop. I did all three books over seven days. It was a nightmare, being stuck in little spot like this, and you can't move while you're talking, and you can't mess up and you have to keep your energy high for eight hours a day. It's really, really hard. But there were over 6,700 cuts where I messed up and we had to go back and fix, and fix, and fix, and fix. To read all three of these books, Dotcom, Expert and Traffic. So anyway, I've got a dozen or so of you guys messaged me saying you listened to the entire audio book already, which is crazy. It took me three days to read and you listened to it in a day, which is, I don't know, makes me happy. Also, people said the hard thing is that they can't listen in 2X speed because it's already at 8X speed because that's how you get Russell Brunson. I only come in 8X speed, I don't come any slower than that. Anyway, which is kind of fun though. But anyway, the Traffic Secrets audio book is the order form bump. And then, by the way, I don't know, probably 200 of you guys have messaged me on Instagram like, "How do I get the box set?" Okay. When you buy the book, you go buy the Traffic Secrets book and the upsell's like, "Hey, do you want the entire Secrets trilogy?" And if you say, yes, then we'll ship the whole thing on May 5th. If you say no, then you don't get the whole thing. Anyway, so that's kind of there. And the other thing is that one of the upsells is the audio books for all three, so if you want to geek out during this quarantine time and listen to all three of the audio books, that may be an opportunity, but you got to go check out the funnel to even know. So, if you go to trafficsecrets.com, you'll get a free copy of the Traffic Secrets book, the order form bump is like, "Do you want the audio?" You're like, "Yes, I want the audio book." Boom, you got the audio book. Next upsell's like, "Hey, do you want the entire box set?" Because you'd be crazy not too. And you're like, "Yeah, I want the box set." And you say, "Yes." And it's like, "Do you also want the audio book for the box set?" And you're like, "Yes." So, that's how it works. Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy the funnel. I always hope people buy slowly because it's fun to go through the process and see what we did. All right, so today, hopefully this works a little better. Yesterday my Instagram was muffled, so hopefully you guys can hear me. And then my Facebook/YouTube video camera crashed nine minutes in because somebody tried to call me. So I've locked down all these things, this is my own personal studio out of my quarantine, trying to make sure this is all going to work for you guys. Hopefully it's working today, hopefully you guys can hear me, hopefully nobody calls through. I try to block everybody, and we can just hang out and have some fun. This video behind me is trafficsecrets.com. If you're like, "What is that? What are you saying on that video, Russell?" You can just click on that button and you can watch it. So anyway, everyone said, "Where do I go buy..." I literally just said you get the entire box. So the only way to get the box right now is you go to trafficsecrets.com. You buy the book. And I say, buy loosely because it's free, use just cover shipping and handling. So it's 9.95 US or 19.95 international. And these ship on May 5th. So there's a little bit of delay because the way the publishers work is you... Yeah. The way the publisher works, the publishing date is May 5th, but we had to roll it out earlier. Anyway, it's a long story, but the books, that's where you get the book. And then the audio book, you can get immediate access to. So you can listen to it today. And then the box set is the first upsell. So if you want to upgrade to the box set, which I highly recommend because this is my life work. Is this crazy? People say sometimes, "This is my life's work." Like literally, this is my life's work. It's all here. It's in the Dot Com Secrets book. It's all my life's work about how to build funnels. This is the new hardbound updated version. There's over 30,000 new words in this. Actually it's more than that. This book started at 58,000 words. I ended deleting... I deleted probably 20, 25, 30,000 words and ended up over 90,000. Expert Secret, same thing. This one started at 60,000, I think I deleted 20 something thousand words. And then it ended up being over 90... Almost, I think this one was almost 90,000, and Traffic Secrets is like 94,000. So this is my life work. It's updated. They all work together. When you get these, I would highly recommend going over it. I would listen DotCom Secrets first, then Expert, then Traffic. If you've read these in the past, they've all been updated. They're all new. This is five years worth of experience re-woven back into the book, that's... Anyway. So there you go. There's a pitch for the box said, but it's going to be awesome. So today what I want to do, I'm going to go back through Traffic Secrets. All right, Traffic Secrets. And we're going to go dive deeper. So I've been reading parts of this and telling you stories from this book over the last couple days. I'm going to keep... Hopefully you guys are enjoying this. If you're liking this, let me know in the comments down below. I'm enjoying doing it and I'm going to keep doing it if you guys like. Unless you're like, "This is horrible, Russell, I just want the book or the audio book," I can stop, but I'm enjoying this. I'm in quarantine anyway. So might as well hang out with my friends, talking about my new book. So if you go through this, the first video, I talked about the preface, preface, I don't know know how you say that. And I talked about how there's a storm coming and it is crazy. I started writing this book two years ago, I would've never known that we would have launched this in the middle of this epidemic where we're all staying at home. We're all quarantined, and businesses are failing left and right, right now because of just... Anyway. I'm not going to go too deep into it, but it's a scary, scary time. And your ability to get customers in the door, not just crappy customers, but your dream customers, has everything to do with your business, if it survives, or if it doesn't. This is literally your life preserver. I'm throwing it to you right now for you to master because this is going to keep fuel, traffic, people coming into your business right now. And in a couple months from now, when the quarantines lifting and things are shifted, it'll give you the ability to thrive, to regrow your business. All the things happen, but this is this nice moment you have to go there and master these principles and really understand them. So literally, the introduction's called There's A Storm Coming, and now we're in the middle of the storm. So not going to say I'm calling my shot or calling the future, but anyway, just kidding. All right, so that was the first day. And then we did the book launch and then that day I talked about chapter one, who is your dream customer? We talked about away from pleasure towards pain, no away from pain towards pleasure. Then yesterday we started talking about the searcher and the scroller, understand the two differences of your dream customer, right? Are they searching or are they scrolling, and which networks are different, right? Think about searching how it's like Google, YouTube, Quora, all the search platforms, and the social platforms, you're doing interruption marketing, like Facebook, Instagram, also YouTube, YouTube, both, which is kind of fun. I went into that. Understand the differences because the way we structure our funnels and our ads are different based on if it's interruption versus search. And now today, we're moving into secret number two, where are they hiding? What, where are who hiding? Okay. So if secret number one's all about figuring out who is your dream customer, secret number two is figuring out where are these people actually congregating? Where are they hiding? Where are they at online? And so that's what I'm going to kind of go into here to talk about. And I'm going to read part, you guys care if I read a little bit of this? I don't know. I don't have to. If you want me to read it, be in comments like "Read it, Russell, read some of a book." Because I could tell you the story, but I already wrote it so might as well... Okay. I'm going to read part of it. Here we go. Secret number two, where are they hiding? One day in college, I knew I was supposed to be doing homework, but my ADHD in mind couldn't take it anymore. I had to stop writing even if it was just for a few minutes, I looked around and made sure no one else was looking, and then opened up a new tab on my browser. I started typing www.themat.com. And then within seconds I was taken to a new universe, a universe occupied by hundreds of thousands of wrestlers, just like me all around the world. This was our playground where we could talk about wrestling, post pictures and videos and debate about who was going to win every match happening in the next big tournament. I read a few articles and watched a video showing a new way to finish a single leg take down. Afterwards, I went to the forums. Oh, how I loved the forums. Who's better, Dan Gable in his prime or Cael Sanderson now? Somebody had just posted. Of course I had an opinion and it took everything I had to not spend the next 90 minutes writing my thoughtful response about how, if we shrunk Cael down to Dan's size and took him in the time machine, back to the 70s, Cael would've destroyed Dan head to head, but I knew I couldn't. My paper was due the next day and I was locked away in study hall until it was done. Angrily I closed down the tab and sat back in my chair to stretch before I made the trip back to reality. As I was leaning back, I started looking at my other wrestling friends who were locked away in study hall with me because of our bad grades. As I glanced towards our 133 pounder, I noticed a smile on his face, what? What could he be smiling about in study hall? As I shifted my gaze from his face to his monitor, I saw it. He was also on themat.com and he was writing his comments on why he thought Dan would actually beat Cael. Then looking at the other wrestlers in the room, I decided I had to know what they were doing. Faking like I had to go to the bathroom, I stood up and started to walk past their desks. I looked at our 157 pounder screen, yep, he was looking at themat.com too, the 178 pounder, themat.com. But what about our heavyweight? He had to be actually doing his homework, right? Nope. He was also on themat.com. And as I passed his computer, I quickly read his form reply that Bruce Baumgartner, two time Olympic heavyweight champ and four time Olympic medalist, would beat both Dan and Cael at the same time. What? Was he crazy? There's no way that Cael would lose to Bruce. And that's when it hit me. Themat.com was our little corner of the internet. All the wrestlers in study hall were congregated on that website talking about wrestling, but we weren't the only ones. Wrestlers in other colleges across the country, along with high school wrestlers and their parents, were on the website too. All around the world, hundreds of thousands of people were all together in this one spot to talk about the topic that we love most, wrestling. Honestly, this is the real power of the internet. It has allowed us to connect with like-minded people in a way that wasn't possible before. It allowed each of us with our unique and sometimes weird hobbies and interests to congregate with our people to discuss the things that meant the most to us. I'm going to stop. What do you guys think? Does that get you excited? Ah! Oh man, it's so much fun. I have a lot of stories in this book about that, but that is the power of congregation. So you guys have to understand. In secret number one we already identified who is our dream customer. And in the book, I go through a bunch of exercises to go deep into that. After you know who they are, then you've got to figure out where are these people hanging out? That's the real power of the internet. We figure out who our dream customer are. We figure out where they're congregating, and our job to figure out, hey, here they are. Here's all the wrestlers in the world that are on these websites. If you're in fitness, here's all the fitness people are reading these blogs. They're on these email newsletters. They're following this person on Instagram, this person on Facebook. Or if you're into cooking, where are the people interested in cooking? Where are they already congregating? Our job as marketers is not to go generate traffic. People are always like, "I need to create traffic." No, you don't need to create traffic. Traffic's already there. People are already there. They're already congregating based on what they're interested in. Your job is to figure out where are those congregations? And I need to come out there and I got to throw out my hooks in those congregations. So if I figure out there's 100,000 wrestlers here, I'm selling wrestling products. What do I do? I come over to that congregation, I throw a hook in and I try to grab those people out of that... In fact, I have a cool image. You guys want to see a cool image that I doodled? I'm a doodler. So that's what I do. In fact, the Traffic Secrets book I think has more doodles per pages than any of my other books. But here you can check out. This is the doodle I did for this. So here's the world, right? And throughout the world, there's random people who are interested in your topic all around the world. And they're all congregating together in a spot, right? So for all the wrestlers in the world, they're all congregating on themat.com. All the internet marketers in one spot, all the tennis players are somewhere, all the people in health and fitness, all the people who are interested in whatever you do, cooking, cleaning, legal advice, whatever, like whatever your thing is, everyone's got a different thing, right? Whatever your thing is, all the people are there and they're all congregating on certain websites. So your job as the marketer here is not to go create traffic. You don't got to come here trying to drum up business. You go to the marketplace. This is the marketplace for your people. They're all hanging out already. Steven Larson, that I'm going to quote later in the book, we talk more about this. But he talked about, people think that the market is their dream customer. It's like, no, no, no. The market's not your dream customer. The market is where the dream customer goes. So if you wake up in the morning and... Sorry, of course somebody's always going to try to call in the middle of Facebook live, or Instagram live. Okay. I'm back. Someone tried to call, but you don't go to... The market's not a person. You go to the market. If I want to take my family and go to the market, we're the dream customers. We wake up, we drive to the market. We're there, right? Same thing. This is the market. This is where your people are all going to. So you've got to figure out where's your market. And then you, as a marketer, you go to the market and you throw in your hooks. And you grab those people and pull them into your funnels and take them through your process. And you don't know which hooks are going to work, so you have a bunch of hooks. You're throwing in different hooks in here, until you figure out, this is the hook that grabs these people, we pull them in, and then we go and we can serve them through our funnels. So that's the big secret to understand. Who's your dream customer and where are they hanging out? After I figure out where they're hanging out, then I just go figure out how do I get their attention? What do I do to throw out hooks? We talked yesterday about interruption marketing. So if I know that, hey, my dream people, they're interested in business. They're on Facebook right now. So I know I can target their interest. People interested in business, or people interested in Tony Robbins or whoever, I figure who my dream customer, what are they passionate about? You know what they're interested in, then I go to Facebook or I go to YouTube, or I go to Instagram, or wherever I'm trying to go interrupt them at, I'm like, hey, they're all hanging out here and talking about the thing. I'm going to interrupt them. I'm going to throw my hooks in there. And if I do that right... We talked about this yesterday. If I do that, I throw my hook in there, I get their attention just for a moment, just long enough that I can then tell them a story to build up the perceived value of what I have to offer. And then I offer them the thing. That's the magic, you guys. This game becomes really fun when you start understanding the principles. It's not difficult. A lot of times people think, "Oh, this is complicated or hard," or whatever. It's like, no, it's really simple. Traffic is simple when you understand, all this is really becoming super hyper clear on who your dream customer is. That's what all of chapter one here in the book is all about. Who is your dream customer? And this is number two, now that I know who they are, where are they congregating? Where are they already hanging out? Again, I'm not trying to create traffic, I'm trying to figure out where's traffic already at, where are they already congregating? Where are they already hanging out at? Where's the marketplaces that are already there? I'm going to go find those market places. I'm going to drive to them. I'm going to throw my hooks out, try to get their attention, just long enough so I can tell them a story. After I tell them a story, the golden stories that increase the perceived value of what I'm selling. And then I make them the offer. And that is the game. That is the game that we are playing. So Josh just said, "What's the advice you'd give a 24-year-old looking to get into business?" Step number one, you need to understand this business. I would go get the book, read it, master it, learn it, apply it. After you read the book, I would go find somebody else's business and work for free for them and apply these principles. Go drive traffic for them and prove that you know what you're talking about. After you've done that and you've got some success for someone, then you can go say, "Hey, I read this book. I know how to get traffic. I did traffic for this guy for free. He's blown up his business right now, even in the middle of this economic downturn, because these principles work in an up economy and a down economy." Then go and tell someone else, "I did this for somebody else. I would love to do this service for you." And start doing services initially. Okay? If you have no idea where to start, start by mastering the skills in here and do the service. I wrote the Dotcom Secrets book and people from around the world learned these processes and some applied them in their own businesses, and some who didn't know what to do yet, took these and started applying them to other people's businesses. They became funnel builders. They became things like that. We had an event last summer, called Unlock The Secret. So it was a family event. We had a lot of kids there and things like that. And one of the guys there, Noah Lens, he was, I think 12 or 13 at the time, came and spoke. He said, "I read the Dotcom Secrets book. I listen to your podcast. And I started building funnels for other people." And I asked him, I said, "How much do you charge people to build a funnel for them right now?" He said, "I used to charge $25,000 but I stopped because I had so much business." He's like, "Now, I only build funnels for equity." I was like, "You're a 13-year-old kid. And you only build funnels for equity," for crying out loud. And how did Noah do it? He read the Dotcom Secrets book and mastered the funnel building. I've got a ton of people now who have read the Expert Secrets book and mastered storytelling. And now they have agencies, helping people build stories. There are even people who read the Traffic Secrets book, they master it and start agencies. So if you don't know where to start yet, learn the principles, master them, understand them, and then do them for other people. If you have a business, learn them and master them and do them for yourself. I don't care. The principles work, whether it's your business, somebody else's, but now is the time to learn it. So, oh, someone's asking what's in the Unlock The Secrets book. You'll have to find out. I'll give you a hint. It has to do with something amazing. Just kidding. Anyway, so there's some hints about section number two here, secret number two. Trying to think if I'm going to go any deeper today. Who's your dream customer? Where are they hiding? Yeah. I'll go deeper tomorrow into, yeah... These chapters are long. There's a lot of cool stuff. I've got tons of doodles, as you can see in here. So I will wrap it for today. Tomorrow we're going to start talking about... Now, so who's your dream customer? Where are they congregating? Tomorrow, we're going to get into the next concept, which is called, The Dream 100. And some of you guys think you know what that means, I'm going to tell you what it actually means. And we're going to walk through that tomorrow. So it'll be fun. Anyway, if you guys don't have a copy of your book yet, it is time. They're flying off the shelves. They're free, you just cover the shipping and handling, trafficsecrets.com, and you can go get it. And on top of that, there's a bunch of amazing, insane bonuses. In fact, I wish I could scroll down on my computer back here. If you scroll down, there's some crazy bonuses. There's an hour-long presentation. I did funnel hacking live, teaching about traffic secrets. You can get that immediately and start watching it. There's a video there from prince EA, the man, who's had over three billion views on his videos, his presentation is one of the bonuses there, to help show you how to make videos that go viral. Peng Joon who did a presentation at Funnel Hacking Live about how he spends a weekend and builds all of... He has a process, he spends a weekend, he records a bunch of videos and that is all of the assets he uses to drive traffic from every platform. His presentation's in there, a bunch of other bonus... I think like four or five hours of bonus presentations you get immediately, the second you get the book, I could easily sell each of those for 97 bucks by themselves. But you get them for free when you get the book for free. So it's like, if you hate free then don't get the book. But if you like free, you should go to trafficsecrets.com and get your copy of the book. And then for any of you guys who are like, "I want to get this into my head today. I'm sitting around, I'm bored." The audio book, this book doesn't ship till May 5th because we're going through an amazing publisher, Hay House, and the pub date... For anyone who's ever written a book, there's a pub date, pub date is May 5th. Two days ago, March 17th was the day I was first allowed to talk about this and start doing pre-orders. And May 5th is the day it ships. So we're in pre-order phase right now. But the good news is I spent three days in a studio reading this entire book and the audio book is available right now. So you can go and get it today. It is the order form bumps. So when you get the free book, if you want to upgrade you can get the audio book and start listening to it right now, and you can dump all this info into your brain without waiting any longer. So anyway, that's kind of fun. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this. For those of you guys who are in quarantine, go get this stuff, and you got something to study with your wife and your kids and your family, your spouse, your significant other, whatever it is, your business partners. You can go start watching stuff right now and start understanding these principles. Now there's this weird time where the nation and the world is all pausing for a second. And you can pause and go Netflix and chill, or you can stop and use this time to get this information into your brain so you can master it so that when the economy, we have this chance to go start... Going full out again in the economy, you'll be able to succeed. So now is the time you guys. Someone said, "Do you think that the book is free?" Yeah. So my hard costs on these books is a lot. I paid for the entire hard cost. I have to pay a shipping house to ship them. So there's people that take them, they put them in a box, they put the postings, and the postman takes these things, they do the process and then some guy walks to your house and hand delivers it. So you've got to cover those costs. I cover the cost for printing this book. I paid for it. It is a big book, 327 pages. So I paid for that. You do have to pay for the shipping though, because I'm not going to do everything for you. If you're not willing to pay for someone to come hand deliver it to your house, it's not going to be the right business for you. You are going to struggle in all things in life, especially running a business. But if you want to pay 10 bucks to get this thing hand delivered to your house from the US postal office, there you go. All you got to do is go to trafficsecrets.com and get your copy now. Anyway, with that said, you guys, I appreciate you all. Thank you so much for everything. You guys are awesome. And I'm having so much fun sharing these traffic secrets with you guys. Now is the time to double down, master the skill, learn it, understand it for yourself, for other people's business, whatever it is. This is a skill set. If you master this and understand it and learn it, it'll serve you for the rest of your life, no matter what business you are in. We always say that the people that can drive traffic in a business are the rain makers. They can make it rain. If you can make it rain, you can write your own paycheck for the rest of your life. Whether it be your own business and you go in there and you make it rain for your own business, or you do it for other people's businesses. The rain makers are the ones who can do anything. They set their own paychecks. They negotiate. The person who can come into business and say, "Hey, your business is struggling. I can turn on the rain." And like, well how much does it cost? I just want 20% of your business. Ah, I can't do that. Well, you're going to go under otherwise. Okay, well, make it rain. You can make it rain. And you get equity in companies like... This skillset will be the most valuable thing you can learn. And you're getting it for $10 of shipping and handling. This is 15 years of my life work, about everything I know about how to get traffic. And it's all here for you guys today. So anyway, I appreciate you guys. Go to trafficsecrets.com and get it. Oh and if you want, and again, the order form bump, you can get the audio book, start listening today. The upsell is this entire huge box set, where if you want, you can get the Dotcom Secrets, Expert Secrets, Traffic Secrets book, and the Unlock the Secrets Workbook to go with it. For those who don't already know, Dotcom Secrets is the first book I wrote. This is in fact, if you look at the... Oh, subtitles, I'm going to do subtitles because they help you understand how they all work together. Dotcom Secrets is the underground playbook for growing your company online with sales funnels. This is the new updated hardbound version. It's almost twice as big as the original version and the only place to get the hardbound version right now is as the upsell at trafficsecrets.com. Number two is Expert Secrets, which is the underground playbook for converting your online visitors into lifelong customers. So this one's how to build funnels, this is how to communicate to people when they come to your funnels. You notice on all my pages there's videos, there's presentations, there's things that are happening, there's ads that are happening, like, how do you communicate? How do you use persuasion? How do you master story selling and things like that. That's what this book's all about. Number two, this is not about how you get on stage and speak for a million people. This is about how to master your message and putting it on your online platform, AKA your funnels. So how to build the funnels, how to communicate inside the funnels. And then number three here is how to get traffic or people into those funnels, into said funnels. So these three work hand in hand to help you to grow your company. Which one's my favorite? They're all my favorite. I bled, blood, sweat and tears to get these to you. This is 16, 17 years of my life work all put into here. And then Unlock The Secrets is your underground playbook for scaling your company to the two comma club and beyond. This is a workbook that'll go with the other book. So as you are going through Dotcom Secrets, you're going to be filling out the blanks and getting all the stuff here. As you're going through Expert Secrets, you're going to be filling out the blanks and this will become your workbook for your business. So as you're learning these concepts and these principles, this becomes where you document and you write them down, your thoughts, your ideas, and this will become your playbook for you to be able to go and dominate and take over the world, whatever world it is that you are serving in your business, your people. So there you go. There's the box set. And again, these ship May 5th, but you can pre-order right now a trafficsecrets.com to get the book. The only way you get the box set right now is the upsell inside of the book. So go to trafficsecrets.com, get the book, upgrade to the secrets box, all this entire thing will ship May 5th. But the audio book's available now, plus there's an insane bonuses, there's like five hours of video bonuses just when you get the book and a bunch of other cool things. So now is the time my friends... Yeah, you can get the audio book. Yeah, since I prefer audio, I listen to... Yes, you can get the audio book right now. But you got to go to trafficsecrets.com to get it. All right guys, that's all I got for today. I'll be back tomorrow to share with you guys more from secret number two, which is all about the dream 100, which is the next step in this process. So thanks you guys. Appreciate you all. Have an amazing day, and we'll talk soon everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the first episode in this special 8 part series. With Russell being incredibly busy preparing for Funnel Hacking Live, he decided to share some of the traffic tips that he released last year during the "Traffic Secrets" book launch. On this episode, Russell reveals the CRITICAL difference between the "Searcher" vs. the "Scroller". You'll learn: How to craft your funnel for BOTH types. Why interruption marketing is so powerful (and how to correctly use it). Why you must HOOK your audience before you tell your story or make your offer. Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. All right, I've got a special treat for you guys over the next 30 days. One of the biggest requests I get people wanting to know more about traffic, which is one of the reasons why I wrote a whole book called Traffic Secrets, which if you don't have go to trafficsecrets.com and get it, what are you waiting for? Do you hate money that bad? Anyway, so what I wanted to do over the next couple of weeks because I've been slammed recently with obviously Funnel Hacking live is happening in less than a week from the time I'm recording this. We've also got inner circles relaunching we've got a whole bunch of other crazy things, like a bunch of there's lots happening. And so I thought it would be fun I think for you guys to get more traffic stuff and also take a little weight off my shoulders for the next couple of weeks is to give you guys access to eight episodes of me talking about traffic. Now, this is something that I actually recorded during the pandemic when I was in the book launch. So I had a chance to go deep on a whole bunch of topics from the Traffic Secrets book. And so I want to share those with you guys over the next couple of weeks. So that's kind of the game plan. If you want, I would highly recommend getting the Traffic Secrets book and reading along as we go through the next eight episodes or so because I'm going to be going deep into each of the sections and the chapters and talking about all the principles, all the things you guys got to do to get more traffic into your funnels. So I hope you enjoy the next few weeks, hope you enjoy the Traffic Secrets episodes. If you guys want more info about traffic, of course go get the book. On top of that we also have a Traffic Secrets podcast. These episodes are from that podcast. So hopefully you get addicted and make you want to go subscribe to that podcast as well. Thanks again you guys. I appreciate you for listening and I hope you enjoy the next eight episodes. What's up everybody this is Russell. Welcome back to we're at day number three. Day number three of the Traffic Secret series. I'm going live every single day for the next, I don't know, we're in quarantine. Well as long as we want, as long as you're having fun, we'll keep doing this. So if you are having fun, please let me know down in the comments, be like, this is fun, Russell. We should do this more often. Or if you're like, I have better things to do with my day than sit in quarantine and listen to Russell talk about traffic. Well let me know in the comments down below if you're having fun because so far I'm enjoying this and I'm not going to lie, it gives me a little bit of break from all the other distresses of all the stuff we do. So I'm enjoying it. And hopefully you guys are having some fun as well. As you guys know, oh, let me pull this over here so you can see inside the screen. We are on day number two, actually it has been in 26 minutes it'll have been 24 hours that the book Funnel has been live. And why do you guys, since you're all my marketing nerds who like to hang out and talk marketing with me, The Funnel is doing insanely well. We are just shy of 10,000 copies. So I was trying to get 10,000 copies in the first 24 hours. It'll probably be 25 maybe 26 hours before we hit it. But that's still pretty dang good. To put that in perspective, the average New York Times bestselling book only sells 10,000 copies the first week. So we are 10,000 copies in less than 24 hours which means this must be a book you guys are interested in. It must be a topic you are interested in. It's probably the most timely thing ever. It's interesting when I started this project two years ago, not knowing when this was going to go live, not knowing the circumstances. And now with, depending on if you're watching this live or later, we are in day two or three of quarantine here. The coronavirus is just crazy and businesses are freaking out and people are struggling. And a lot of companies are shutting their doors. And right now the thing I think that people need more than anything is traffic, it's people. How do you get your dream customers, the right people to come to your door so you can help them and you can serve them. And so that's what this whole book's about. So my goal is hopefully you guys all get a copy. Again, these don't ship until May 5th but the audio books are there now. In fact 36% of you guys are buying the audio books. So thank you for that but it gives you a chance to go and start listening to it immediately. But then I'm going live free here and I'm just going to basically share stuff in the book. So if you want to see some of the old episodes on Facebook, they are there. Other places, YouTube we got them there as well. But basically I'm going through the book and talking about it. So today I'm going to dive back in. You guys want some more insights from the book that will hopefully help you out in whatever part of the journey you're in right now? Hopefully you do. And as you're reading this, you're like, all right, fine Russell, you pushed me over the edge. I'm finally ready to get the book you've been talking about for two years, just go to trafficsecrets.com, you'll see The Funnel. And I would recommend going through the funnel slow. This is the highest converting funnel I've ever done. And I've been doing this game for 15 years now. So this was 15 years of like me testing and trying a bunch of things. And this is the, I talked about funnel hacking. I said, you can go through, get all the arrows in the back, try to figure your way out or see where people where they're at today in their model. So right now this is where my funnel is at and it's killing it. Excuse me. We're averaging 80, almost $80 for every free book we give away inside the funnel. So it's working, it's good. Anyway, so that's the game plan. You guys ready to jump into this so we have some fun? I love it. All right, okay. I'm going to go. So here we go. I'm going to open up the box set. Some of you guys yesterday on the live everyone's was like, where did I get the box set? And I'm like the only way you can see the box set is an upsell. So you've got to buy the book and then the upsell is like, hey, do you want all the books? All new hardbound copies and the workbook and everything. So that's the only way to get it is after you go to chaptersecrets.com and get your free copy of the book. I think it's $10 shipping handling US for the hard bound. And then it's like 19.85 I think international. And these will be shipping May 5th. This is a pre-launch, May 5th these will start shipping but the audio books that I recorded myself in a studio for three days are available beginning today. And yeah, so there you go. Plus all the other bonuses, there's five insane bonuses you guys get with the book as well. Usually they sell each of those for 97 bucks as a standalone product. You get them for free when you buy the book for free. So if you like free then you should get a copy of the book. All right, with that said, I'm going to go in here. So the first day I talked about, I just read some stuff from the intro which was all about basically a storm coming, which is interesting now that we're in like the middle of the storm. But there's a storm coming, traffic shifting everything's different and you got prepared. I was lucky enough and blessed enough when I started learning traffic it wasn't when Facebook Ads were here. And I was trying to figure out how to run Facebook Ads. I was learning this stuff before Facebook, before Myspace, before Friendster, I was learning how to drive traffic from some of the original OGs of direct response marketing. I was learning direct mail, radio, postcards, things like that. And as you apply these principles to the internet, it's really, really powerful. So if Facebook shuts down, or your ads account is banned or Google changes, this book is like, here's how to have a stable foundation to get traffic even in those times. I've been lucky to now have been doing this for 15 years. And I've been through a couple of market grows, a couple market crashes and I've seen networks come and go, Google Slaps, Facebook Snaps, a whole bunch of stuff. What is interesting is that we've not only survived in the times, we've thrived is because of the foundational principles you're going to learn here inside of Traffic Secrets. So talking about a storm coming. That struggle in chapter one, your dream customer. Shared some cool stories from this yesterday. I'm not going to go back into it but the whole key is becoming obsessed with your dream customer and the better you understand them, you understand what are they doing to move towards pleasure away from pain. It makes it so much easier to find them. So today we're what we're going to talk about are two things called the searcher and the scroller. When you have your book, if you go to page 25, as I start talking about these concepts of the searcher and the scroller, I think I got some doodles in here. Yeah, I got some doodles in here. So for those who are like me, like the doodles, there is the searcher and there's the scroller. Now it's important to understands a lot of people think that traffic is just traffic. Oh, I just need to figure how to get more traffic. And so that's kind of all they're looking for. But you got to understand that people's habits are different. And so there's a searcher and there's the scroller. And what's interesting if you look at how business started back in the early 1800s, when did people buy something? They had a need for it. So like, oh, I need a hammer. They would jump in the car, drive to the grocery store and they would go buy a hammer. They're searching for something. Now, when you're searching, you know what you're looking for. I need this thing to solve this problem, this thing. And so you're searching for it and you go look for it and you buy it and you come back. And for a long time, that's how business happened. Back in the early 1800s, early 1900s was a hundred percent of commerce happened through searching. Someone needed something and they went in search for it. The yellow pages came, they searched through yellow pages, find the business that had the thing they needed. Oh I need a plumber, find the person, they'd search for him and they can go and get him. So what was nice for consumers is I could go search, I could find things I wanted. But as a business owner it was tough because I couldn't go and get people's attention. And so if you look at, and I share some of the timelines, like the first time the interruption, excuse me. So yeah, I'll go in that second, but searching is the first thing. And then, but again, searching is good because you can go find and find exactly what you want, that's the pros of it. And I think I've listed the pros and cons. Yeah, the pros for search is that when people come to you, they're hot. That's the thing, like I'm looking for a plumber, they call you, I need a plumber. Sweet, I'm a plumber I'm coming right over. Or I need a hammer. It's like they're hot, they're looking for it. That's the pros of search. The cons is you can't stimulate that. You can't stimulate search and make you all of a sudden come search for me. And so that was kind of the cons of it. And so it was hard to really grow and scale company because you sit there waiting for people to search for you, waiting for somebody to get a desire. Then fast forward to 1927. So 1927 is when TVs were invented. And 15 years later on July 1st, 1942, it was during the Brooklyn Dodgers Philadelphia Phillies game at Ebbets Field it was the first ever TV commercial aired. So what happened? Think like this, people were sitting there, they're watching TV, in their homes, they're being entertained, they're enjoying, they're interested in baseball or watching baseball. And then in the middle of that boom, they're interrupted with an ad. And then the ad was for Bulova Watches and Bulova. And think about before this, if Bulova wanted to sell a watch, what did they have to do? They'd wait for someone who's like, I need a watch and they'd go search for a watch. They're waiting, I hope business comes because they had to wait. That was the first TV commercial in the early 1900s. People were sort of watching TV, they're not planning. And all of a sudden in the middle of that ad they're interrupted. They're interrupted and after the interrupted then comes in the ad was, it says the ad was nine seconds long. In fact if you go to YouTube right now and search it, you can actually find it. I found it there. It is nine seconds long, it costs them $9 to run. And the ad said, America runs on Bulova time. Now obviously that was not the greatest ad in the world but it was the ad. It was the first time somebody did interruption marketing. So people watching baseball so they were interrupted and Bulova had this little window of time where they could grab someone's attention. They could build up the perceived value, what is there to sell and then they can make them an offer. And that was the very first time this interruption concept happened. And interruption marketing is powerful because it gives you, because in research marketing, people have to be looking for you. They're interested, they have a desire, they're looking for you. With interruption, you have a chance to capture their attention and then make a presentation to increase the perceived value of the thing that you're trying to sell and then you make them an offer. And in the book you hear me talk a little more about hook story offer in a day or two. I don't know when can we get there, but that's the next framework is when you interrupt somebody you got this little window of time. So I'm going to sit down here because this is my studio I'm sitting on the floor because that's what we got here when we're in quarantine. But what we understand that like this is some of the interesting stuff. And I have a friend, his name is Trevor Chapman and he's the one that kind of first made this concept light up in my head. He talks about searching versus interruption. So search marketing. Let's say for example you wanted a new home security system. So what would you do? You'd go on Amazon and type in home security system. You'd search for it. And if you found it, you're like, oh, I need a home security. So I'm looking for it. And right now you can get a pretty good home security system on Amazon for like 200 bucks. You pay 200 bucks, it comes to you, you install it and boom, you now have a home security system for 200 bucks because you were searching for it. And people that search typically they're bargain shoppers, looking not just in one place, they're searching five different things, they're price comparison and all these kinds of things. But when they come to you, they're hot. They're ready to buy right now. Now put that in contrast with what Trevor talks about when he talked about what he did. He ran a sales team, a door to door sales, people selling home security systems. And he said, we didn't rely on search at all. We relied on uninterrupted marketing. He said so what we do is we would go and we would go door to door and we knocked on the door and we'd interrupt someone during dinner or whatever it is, we interrupt them. And we interrupt and they opened the door and we had this little window time. The first step is to hook them, to get their attention we hook them. Right? When you pass that initial hook, then we have this window of time we can tell them a story. And the goal of the story is what? Is to increase the perceived value of the thing I'm going to sell, and at the end have a chance to make an offer. Now two minutes earlier that person was not looking for home security system but because I interrupted them, I hooked them with something that get their attention. I told them a story to increase the perceived value that I could sell the thing that I'm selling for what it's actually worth. Typically the search-based marketing you're in a comparison game. It's a race to the bottom you're selling commodities and people are searching for all of their variations to find the cheapest one or the best with the highest ratings. Whereas interruption based marketing, they're not searching everywhere else in the world, you're coming to them. You're interrupting them. You make a presentation about the perceived value, what it is you're selling. And then you can sell for whatever you want. And he talked about how when he was selling security systems, someone could go on Amazon and find them for 200 bucks. But what we do, we knock on the door and interrupt them, tell our story, increase the perceived value, make them an offer and walk out the door with a $5,000 contract for a home security system. That's the power of interruption marketing, gives you the ability to find people who aren't in the moment needing it, but you created a desire in them to be able to go and sell the thing. And so what's interesting as you start looking at the online, the same trend happened throughout history. When the internet first came out, there was what type of marketing? There was search. You would go to Google and you would search for something. And it was amazing because you could rank for the keywords, you can make a bunch of money, you can buy pay-per-click ads, but you only made money on people that were actually searching for you. Everywhere else you just missed out on the opportunity. And so you lost that money but it was a really good opportunity. And then a little while later, then also in the social networks started coming out. And the social networks happened and then somewhere down the line and I have the dates in here, but somewhere down the line is when Mark Zuckerberg introduced the Facebook Ads platform, which was the very first real big play of interruption marketing. Someone would come on Facebook and they're hanging out with their friends, they're talking, they're being entertained. And then an ad would come in to interrupt them for a second. So you're strolling through the ads, awesome boom, your ad comes. And if you do it right, this is like the knock on the door for the door to door sales person. You knock on the door, it interrupts them for a second. Just long enough, you got their attention. You hook them and then it opens up this little window for you where you can now tell them your story. And the goal of your story is to increase the perceived value of what you're going to sell them. And then you make them an offer, hook, story offer. And that's the power of interruption marketing is it gives you that little window of time where instead of like waiting for you to be like hey, I hope someone searched for cat food today because I'm selling cat food. Instead of waiting and waiting, we have to say, okay, who's interested in cats. Let me go find those people. Let me try to interrupt them. And we go knock on their door. Let me go through all these hooks and try to grab their attention just for long enough so I can explain to them why my cat food is so much better. My cat medicine or my cat whatever cat thing you sell. Tell them your story, increase the perceived value which is selling themselves what it’s actually worth. Then you're not going out there and they're fighting and they're comparing your cat food versus 500 other people. You have the ability now to increase the perceived value, sell your thing for what it's worth. So that's search versus interruption. And if you start looking at all the different advertising networks out there and you start classifying them. So Google is a search platform, people are coming to search on it. Yahoo is a search platform. I don't even know what other ones are out there. I just use Google. But those are the search platforms. Then you got a Facebook and Instagram, these are interruption platforms. They're getting people's attention. They're categorizing people based on what they're interested in. And you really come in to interrupt those people saying, I want to end up all people interested in cats. All people interested in fitness, all people interested in business. I interrupt them and then it opens a little window for you to come in there and set a hook to get their attention, tell them a story, increase the perceived value that we have and then make an offer. And that's the magic. So then again, the first phase we talked about in this book here was you're taking your dream customers, you're identifying, you're breaking them based on people that are trying to move away from pleasure and people who are trying and move towards plain. We have different messages for both those people. They are not the same, they're different. So maybe we have different funnels, different landing pages, different ads are speaking differently to each person. The next thing is understanding, where am I going fishing? Where am I trying to find these people? If it's search based, that's okay but I'm going to speak those people differently. Those people would probably do more comparison shopping. Those people are probably looking for a deal. They're researching, they're searching for you, they find you. So if my landing pages aren't based on understanding hey, this is the mindset someone's coming to they are they're researching, you're going to struggle. Now if someone's in Instagram or Facebook, they're doing something else, I'm interrupting them. So I have something exciting, I have something cool, I have a cool background. I need something like this where they're scrolling through their feed and it's like, what is this thing? Why is Russell waving a book? Like yesterday I had my Thanos. I had these gloves on yesterday because when the videos are on Facebook and Google I want someone scrolling through to be like why does Russell got this weird glove? And they're going to stop. I hooked them just long enough to have a chance now to tell them my story, to increase the perceived value, what I'm doing and then make them an offer. Okay. By the way, BTW, those who are watching this video on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, wherever you are, what did I just do? I hooked you right. I've been telling you a story to increase the perceived value of the offer I have for you. Some you guys are like, dang, that's in the book. That's secret number one in the book. That's awesome, I need that. So I told you the story to increase the perceived value of this thing that I'm going to offer you here in a second. Wait, Rusty you practice what you preach. Yes, I do every day. So that's what I'm doing. Now if I'm putting this out to a search audience this is going to be different. My message is not going to be me with a Thanos glove trying to interrupt him because they're already looking. They're looking for like how to get more traffic. I'm going to come to that. Hey, here's the review page. Here's five ways to get traffic, boom, boom, boom. And by the way, number one book to get traffic is this book right here which you will get it for free at trafficsecrets.com. I'm speaking to them differently. So you're categorizing people based on search versus interruption. And understanding that your ad campaigns are structured. All the things you're doing are different depending on which way people are coming into your worlds. Does that make sense? I think so many times people group traffic or advertising like just one thing. It's like, no, you guys are not understanding the intricacies of what you're doing. And so I need you to understand that if I'm speaking to somebody who is searching for someone who I'm interrupting because it's different, my ad's different. My ad on my Google ad is not me running around going crazy or lighting my book on fire. But my ad on Instagram is, my ad on Facebook is. I've got to grab your attention just long enough to open a window so you will listen to my story so I can increase the perceived value of what I have to sell and I can make you an offer. And start thinking, I guess if you're thinking in your mind like oh my gosh, I've seen this over and over again. When I go to Google, I search for stuff. What are the landing pages look like? People are successful. What do those ads look like? What are they saying? How are they speaking to me? I'm speaking them differently than I'm speaking to somebody who I'm interrupting. If I'm interrupting, I'm doing crazy videos, trying to capture your attention and to get you to like focus. And just long enough so I can grab you, grab your attention and tell you a story. So that's the key that we understand there. It's a little different, a little slight intricacies, little slight differences but it's the key to this whole game. Oh yeah. So Google is a search platform. YouTube is interesting because YouTube is a search, but it's also a social. So YouTube is one of my favorites and there's a whole chapter here going deep into YouTube because it's a search and it's an interruption platform. And so there's different strategies when you're inside of that which are kind of fun. Facebook, Instagram, are interruption platforms. Other search based platforms like Quora, where you're going to you're searching questions, you're answering questions. That's a search based platform. So if you start looking at where to get traffic and you start thinking through it in your mind, realize there's search based, interruption based, there's two different things. And it's important because that's some of the foundational stuff you've got to understand as you're going after dream customers. So that again, yesterday's video and today's is all just secret number one, we haven't gotten to secret number two yet. So let me come back real quick. So secret number one, I did introduction date number one yesterday or today and yesterday was who's your dream customer. And then today I talked about searcher versus scroller. You can see that in the video there. Tomorrow's video I'm going to go into secret number two, where are they hiding? So depending on if this is live with this tomorrow, if this is on YouTube or on a playlist, like there's probably a place here where you can watch the next one. But after we can go into next is where are they hiding the dream 100. Now really quick, now that I've grabbed your attention, I've told you a value increase the perceived value of this book. Hopefully now I'm hoping you want a copy of this so badly. So if you want one, guess what? Right now during pre-launch, they are free. You just got to cover the shipping handling. This is the hardbound book. I've already paid for the printing of this thing, they're not cheap to print. So I paid for the printing. They are going to be shipping out on May 5th. Right now we are in pre-launch. We've almost sold 10,000 copies the first 24 hours, which is crazy, really proud of that. Proof of these traffic things we're talking about actually work. But you can get a copy right now. trafficsecrets.com during the pre-launch. Again, we ship these May 5th, but when you're buying this, one of the order form bumps as you go through the funnel is for the audio book. The audio book is done. I spent three days in a warehouse, not a warehouse, in a studio reading this entire book. You can get the audio book immediately. And inside the audio book is actually links to a supplemental PDF that has all the doodles and stuff. So as you're listening, you can look at the doodles and make sure you understand the concepts. That's available today. You can start listening to the audio book right now. You just got to go to trafficsecrets.com, get a copy of the book. This ships May 5th and then the order form bump is the audio book so you can listen to it, which is awesome. Right now like 36% of you guys are taking the audio book. So that means that one third of you guys are ready to listen today. The rest of you is like, I'll worry about traffic in the future. But honestly, right now we're in scary times. I'm in quarantine right now, I'm sure most of you guys are in quarantine or at your house hanging out. I'm recording this on phone, on my iPad because my film crews are in quarantine everywhere. Like it's chaos right now but you got to understand the most important thing in business for all of you guys in good times and in bad is traffic. It's the people, it's you having the ability to get your message in front of people. If you're not able to do that, it makes business really hard. If you are able to do that, makes business easy. So how do you get traffic? Not just how to get any traffic, how do you get the stuff that the buyer says, the underground playbook for filling your websites and funnels with your dream customers, not just any customers, your dream customers, the ones that have money, the ones that can afford your products, can afford your services. The ones you actually want to serve. And so that's the game plan you guys, that's Traffic Secrets. Now it’s time to get yours at trafficsecrets.com. Someone said they ordered the book but never got a confirmation email. I'd look in your junk folder, email is like the least reliable thing on this planet. I hate email, I wish somebody would make something better than that. So all right. Oh, someone is asking, how much is the book? So the box of the first upsell is the box set. If you want the entire box, I won't spoil it for you, but when you go through the funnel, when you buy the Traffic Secrets book, the upsell is to get the whole box set. The box has Dotcom Secrets book, the Expert Secrets book, the Traffic Secrets, all hard bound. And these have all been updated. I added over 30,000 words to each of these books before the new hard bound versions came out. So these are all the three newest versions. And also this is the Unlock Secrets Workbook. It's a 600 page workbook that comes with it. If you want this huge box set, it is the upsell at trafficsecrets.com but you got to get the book to be able to see the offer for the whole thing. So I'd recommend getting it because it's awesome. So anyway, I appreciate you guys. Thanks so much for hanging out today while you were at home or doing your thing. And just remembered that this is not a time to hide and do nothing. This the time to serve your audience to higher level. Go live, tell your story, tell your message. Give people a message of faith and hope. Don't stop selling things, don't stop promoting. If the economy, the best thing for the economy is for us entrepreneurs to keep doing what we're doing. If we stop all commerce from happening, this is horrible for the economy. The scariest thing for me personally is not this virus, it's the economic repercussions of it. Our job as entrepreneurs is to keep doing what we're doing. If we stop, the economy will stop. And that's when it gets really, really, really scary. So yeah, keep producing you guys, keep publishing. I've been talking about this for years, and as you get deeper in Traffic Secrets book, one of the things I'm going to challenge everyone is publish every day for a year. Whether it's Facebook, Instagram platform, YouTube, I don't care. Pick a platform and continually publish every single day for a year. If you do that, you'll have no more financial troubles in a year from now but you got to be consistent and start publishing. So I'm going to publish every day. Every day I'm going to be reading parts of the books for you. Hope you guys enjoyed today. Got some ideas out of it and I'll be back tomorrow with the next chapter, secret number two we're going into you guys. So between now and then, go get your copy of the book trafficsecrets.com. And I'll see you guys all again very, very soon. Thanks everybody, appreciate you all. And will talk to you soon. Bye. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One weak spot could easily cause your company or your business to fail. Learn how to strengthen and fortify yourself against those weaknesses. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I want to talk about finding your weaknesses and fortifying against them so you can be protected in all aspects of your business and your life. What's up, everybody? Hope you guys are doing awesome today. We are less than two weeks away from Funnel Hacking Live as I'm recording this. In fact, I've been on Slide Smackdown, building out millions of slides, working on presentations, working on video. There's so much that goes into this. It is crazy, but we're having a good time. And I think we'll make it to the finish line in time, as long as nothing bad happens. So there you go. Those of you who are listening in some real time, you know that right now, we're still in the middle of this whole COVID pandemic thing and there's chaos and there's anyway, there's a lot of things. And so, but as they say in show business, the show must go on. Right? And so we are doing Funnel Hacking Live. We've got, I think about 3000 people coming live to the event. We got another two or 3000 people streaming it live from home. And so yeah, the party must go on. So we're excited. But at the same time, there's a lot of nervousness that comes around it, too, right, for all the obvious reasons. And so I want to talk about just the principle that I've been thinking about and trying to practice specifically around this event with my health, but it ties into so many aspects of your life. And there's actually, there's a story in the scriptures were they talk about this war that's happening right. Then there's the, not the village, but there's the city that's trying to protect itself. Right there in the city, and you look around the city. There's like these hills and these mounds, and there's mountains kind of protecting them. There's a couple of spots in the mountain where there's, it's easier for people to get through, right? So these weak spots where it's easier for an invading army could attack because it's like, these are the spots they'd attack. And so the guy who's the general of this army is looking at, "Okay, these are the weaknesses. If someone's going to attack us, they're not going to come over the mountain, not going to... They're going to come through this path or this path. And these are the spots that we're weak. Therefore we know these are our weaknesses. We need to fortify against that." So they brought troops and armies and things around the weak spots to protect themselves. And that way, when the enemy came, they will protect themselves and protect their land, Right. So there's the story, the scriptural story with the principle, right? It's finding your weak spots and fortifying against them. And so for me right now in this season is again, I'm about to go to Funnel Hacking Live and there will be a ton of people. And if I get sick, for whatever reason, it could be really, really bad because you could do the math. How many tickets times how much money per ticket times all the, it gets, it'd be really financially bad for the company. It'd be bad because people have flights, hotels. It would just be bad all around. So I need to make sure I'm there. And so the first thing I'm asking is like what are the potential things that would keep this from happening? Right. What are the potential weaknesses that could take me out of play. Right. And so think about it, one of them is if I fly there publicly, I'm in a plane with 2000 other people. What if, when I'm sick or whatever, that's a scary thing. So I was like, :Okay, I need to figure out a different way to get there." So we decided I fly private, right. So there's one way we protect ourselves. Number two, I need to make sure my immune system's good. Right. I have not had COVID yet. And so it's like, I haven't had it yet, but I got to make sure my immune system is protected. So what does that mean? Well, okay. What are the steps I need to take? What are the vitamins? What are the things? We've had doctors coming over? You mean IV drips and all sorts of stuff to like strengthen my immunity so that I can handle it, right. I've been trying, which is hard for me. I'm trying to get more sleep and trying to not stress, I'm trying to relax, all the things that typically weaken someone's immune system, right. So I'm finding those things, I'm trying to fortify against them. Now that doesn't mean, just like the story with the army, doesn't mean the army is not going to get through and attack them. They might, right. And maybe the army breaks through and even though fortified, it gets through, right. Like I could still get sick. I could still have different issues, like a million things that could happen, but I know where the weaknesses are. Therefore I should fortify against it, right, and try to protect myself. And so that's kind of the message. And so I want to show you guys because that's true in a lot of areas of life. For example, I'm not obviously the health guy I would recommend for everyone knowing, again, the situation the world's in right now is like looking at your own health. Where are my potential weaknesses? Do I need to lose weight? Do I need to get strength? Do I need to get more vitamins. What are the things you need to personally do to like protect yourself, right? I've got to be looking at those things and how do you fortify against. For you it could be different than me, right. Everyone's got different ways and I'm not going to go, and it's too politically charged to get into it. But if you believe that the vaccine or whatever is the way to do it, then go that way. If you believe that healthy, I don't care what it is. Pick what you personally believe and then fortify yourself against it, right. Look at the stats, look at the studies and figure out what those things are and then protect yourself, right. So there I'll leave that there, because again, it's ridiculous how charged this whole topic is, but it is. So I'm not going to say one way or the other what I believe or what I think you guys should believe because I don't care. When all is said and done, I think everyone should make decisions for themselves and figure out what's best for them, their family, but then go through it and like go intense on it. Don't, anyway. So then I want to transition to business because you guys come here to learn business from me, not to learn health. So let's talk about business. So I want you to think about, in your business, like what are the same things like everyone's got the same thing, right. There's there's weaknesses that you got to fortify against. I was thinking back the very first time that I was growing my business, very first collapse that I had was because I had no, I only had one traffic source. And so when that traffic source disappeared, my business disappeared as well, right. And I went through the crash right then because I hadn't fortified. If I had been smart, I was okay, but with my business where's the choke point. What's the thing that I'm weak at. Okay. It is, I only have one traffic source. Therefore I need to go there and fix that and strengthen it and put those things around it to protect it, right. So that was the first time. The second time my business crashed is because I only had one merchant provider and that one merchant buyer decided they didn't like my business, everything got shut down. Right. And it was my choke point I hadn't fortified against. So as we started building ClickFunnels, we were very strategic. "Hey, what are all the things that could happen? Like what are the things that could make our business fall down?" And we had to be very, talk about it very openly, because a lot of times we don't want to think about these kinds of things, right, because they don't sound good. But when it was like, what if Russell gets hit by a bus? What if Todd gets hit by a bus, right? What happens if a merchant account shuts us down? What happens if our auto responders, what happens if our traffic dries up? What if Facebook's ads stop working? What if, what if and we started thinking through all these different weaknesses, right. Just like the army general is looking at, here in the mountains where people are going to attack us, right. Or me going to an event. Like these are the things that could happen to make them not happen, right. If I got sick or if these different things so you're identifying, you're being very real, right. And you're having conversations that aren't fun to have, like Russell gets hit by a bus. That's not a fun conversation to have, what do we do, right. But it's looking at those things, identifying them and then say, "Okay, how do we fortify against these weaknesses? Okay. What are the things? What are the things I need to do to make sure I'm protecting myself, right? Do I have the second merchant account in case I need it? Do I have this, looking at all different pieces and having backup plans and having things in place." Because it's crazy how fast things happen in this industry, in this business. I seen so many people who have really good businesses who've lost them quickly because they didn't fortify because they ran the whole business on Facebook ads and Facebook shut down. They run their whole business on SEO and they got slapped, right. And so it's finding what are the choke holds in your business? And they're going to be different for everyone, right? Some of you might have a key employee who just runs everything. If that person disappeared, what would you do, right? Or a partner or you, right. And so it's something that I don't know the answer to, but I want to raise the question because I would be doing you guys a disservice if I didn't bring that up. So it's not running through your head. Because I didn't think about my traffic sources and the first time I got slapped. I didn't think about my merchant count, the second time I got slapped, right. I was looking at all the positive because we're entrepreneurs, we're looking at the positive, looking at the vision, looking at the future, we're looking at the things that we think are going to be so great,. Right. And we're not looking at like, "Oh, what if this happens? What if this happens? We're optimists, right?" And so everything's always going to work out. But the reality is sometimes it doesn't and if we're prepared for it, we fortified against that, we've got backup plans. We can move, we can shift. We can make those adjustments. If you don't, that's when you get in trouble. And so I want to protect you guys. So that was the point of this podcast episode is to protect yourself. The podcast cover image I'm using this time is me sitting at my desk with a whole bunch of IVs plugged into me because I spent seven hours yesterday with IVs of every known substance, known to man going into my blood system to protect me and increase my immune system and to help me have the energy and all the different things, right. And so it's those kinds of things that we're doing. And yeah, it's funny. I actually was Instagramming yesterday as I was doing it and I got tons of messages to people like, "Are you okay? Are you dying? Are you sick? What's happening?" And I'm like, "No, this is a preventative, right." And it's funny because most of us, and this comes back to us as humans being pessimistic or optimistic. We're optimists. My dad sells insurance or he did before he retired, but he sold insurance and the insurance that they would get the biggest bonuses and rewards for was selling life insurance. And I talked to my dad about this because life insurance, you don't have to have, right. But it's the one that's like the most important. But he says it was the hardest to sell because no one wants to think about that. Oh, I'm going to live forever. I'm going to be fine. And they pushed that out so it was very, very difficult to sell life insurance, yet it's the thing that's probably the most important of all of them, right? It's easy to sell car insurance, easy to sell house insurance, things like that. But the one that's the most critical, it's hard to sell because people are all optimistic. Oh I'm going to live forever. I'm going to be healthy. You know, whatever it is. And they don't think about it. And then it hits and it's too late. So same thing's true for us as entrepreneurs. We have to be thinking about those things and putting it in perspective. So, that said, prepare yourself, prepare your health, prepare your business, prepare your life, prepare your family. Look at the things that could go wrong and start building strength holds around them. Hope this helps. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for listening. And we'll see you on the next episode of the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Bye, everybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices