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When a shocking crime occurs, people ask “Why?” Was it about power, ego, or revenge? On Killer Psyche, retired FBI agent Candice DeLong draws on her decades of experience to reveal why these murderers and criminals committed these heinous acts. She will reveal fascinating new details about what drove these people, including cases she was close to. Candice will share specific psychological methods and profiling techniques that experts use to understand the deepest part of the most complex, fascinating, and twisted minds, from the Unabomber to Alex Murdaugh to Mary Bell.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting http://link.wondery.com/KillerPsycheLinks now. 
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Igniting Fear: The Crimes of Peter Tredget

Igniting Fear: The Crimes of Peter Tredget

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong examines the case of Peter Tredget. Starting at the age of 12, Tredget terrorized the English city of Hull by setting a string of deadly fires which claimed at least a dozen lives. A social outcast who found solace and retribution through the power of wielding a flame, Tredget became one of Britain’s most prolific killers. Candice explores how Tredget’s troubled upbringing and feelings of being undermined by society led to a six-year-long reign of fiery wrath.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
40:1719/11/2024
Hillside Stranglers, Part II

Hillside Stranglers, Part II

In the second half of this two-part episode, retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong continues to explore the case of cousins Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono Jr., also known as the “Hillside Stranglers.” Between 1977 and 1978, the sadistic duo tortured and murdered 10 women in Los Angeles. In this episode, Candice dives deeper into the psyche of Angelo Buono, explores the power dynamic between the duo, and how the “Hillside Strangler” trial became one of the longest running in United States history.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
26:2512/11/2024
Hillside Stranglers, Part I

Hillside Stranglers, Part I

In the first half of this two-part episode, retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of cousins Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono Jr., also known as the “Hillside Stranglers.” Between 1977 and 1978, the sadistic duo tortured and murdered 10 women in Los Angeles. Candice dives deep into how their partnership resulted in some of the most horrific crimes in Los Angeles history, putting the entire city on edge.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
39:0405/11/2024
The Liske Family Murders

The Liske Family Murders

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong examines the case of William “B.J.” Liske. On the morning of Halloween 2010, B.J. killed three members of his own family: his father, stepmother and stepbrother. On the surface, it seemed like a random attack. But behind the curtain of a big happy family was a history of turmoil and violence – fueled by a troubled young man with a severe, longstanding and untreated mental illness. Candice explores how the Liske family slowly fell apart, and how B.J.'s behavior and mindset unraveled into the unthinkable.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
42:5229/10/2024
Joe Hunt & The Billionaire Boys Club

Joe Hunt & The Billionaire Boys Club

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong dives into the case of Joe Hunt. In the 1980s, Hunt formed a high-profile investment and social group dubbed the “Billionaire Boys Club,” calling on some of the wealthiest young men in Los Angeles to join him in his pursuit of wealth and power. But behind Hunt’s facade of success was a web of lies and fraud – pushing him to go to deadly lengths to protect his image. Candice discusses how Hunt’s obsession with success spiraled out of control, and how it ultimately became his undoing.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
47:4822/10/2024
Quincy Allen: A Conversation with Karen Conti

Quincy Allen: A Conversation with Karen Conti

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong speaks with Karen Conti, John Wayne Gacy’s former appeals lawyer, to discuss the case of Quincy Allen. In 2002, Allen went on a deadly crime spree that claimed the lives of four people across two states. He pleaded guilty in both states, receiving a life sentence in one – but a death sentence in the other. His sentence was overturned in 2022 after it was found that Allen’s history of childhood abuse and mental illness were not considered by the sentencing judge – and, most recently, Allen was resentenced to life in prison instead. Candice and Karen discuss Allen’s background and the factors that led to a successful appeal in his case.Karen's book, "Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy: Defending America’s Most Evil Serial Killer on Death Row" is out now and available on Amazon and most book retailers. To learn more about Karen and the book, please check out www.karenconti.comNeed more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
41:3615/10/2024
Nannie Doss: The Giggling Granny

Nannie Doss: The Giggling Granny

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong dives into the case of Nannie Doss, also known as the “Giggling Granny.” From 1927 to 1954, Doss poisoned and killed four of her five husbands – and was even suspected of killing her own family members along the way. By luring her love interests from “lonely hearts” newspaper columns and keeping up a sweet, smiley exterior, Nannie was able to kill undetected for years, with no one suspecting a thing. Candice explores how Nannie’s method of murder kept her under the radar, and why she felt compelled to kill her loved ones. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
44:0608/10/2024
Rex Heuermann: What the Evidence Tells Us

Rex Heuermann: What the Evidence Tells Us

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong speaks with legal analyst Josh Ritter to discuss the headline-dominating case of Rex Heuermann, the alleged Long Island Serial Killer. Authorities believe Heuermann is responsible for a string of murders that first came to light in 2010, after four bodies were found along Gilgo Beach in New York. After more than a decade of extensive investigation, Heuermann was finally arrested – and has since been implicated in at least two more murders. Candice and Josh explore the investigative process that linked Heuermann to the crimes, the evidence gathered against him so far, and what we can expect to see from both sides of the courtroom when the case goes to trial.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
39:2501/10/2024
When Serial Killers Surrender: The Case of Mack Ray Edwards

When Serial Killers Surrender: The Case of Mack Ray Edwards

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong examines the case of Mack Ray Edwards. Between 1953 and 1970, Edwards killed at least six children in Los Angeles County, California, using his career in highway construction to hide their bodies – and his trail of murder. He ultimately turned himself in for his crimes, citing a guilty conscience…but was that truly the case? Candice explores how Edwards went undetected for so long, why he targeted children, and what the actual motive behind his confession could have been. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
42:1024/09/2024
The Life & Crimes of "Wild Bill": An Interview with Journalist Nick Foster

The Life & Crimes of "Wild Bill": An Interview with Journalist Nick Foster

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong speaks with journalist Nick Foster to discuss the case of William Holbert, also known as “Wild Bill.” On the run from U.S. authorities, Holbert and his partner, Laura Michelle Reese, hid away in the idyllic landscape of Bocas Del Toro, Panama, where they worked together to kill at least six American expats and steal their properties. Candice and Nick discuss what he learned through his on-the-ground research of the case, how the area of Bocas del Toro became the perfect backdrop for Holbert’s crimes, and what it was like for Nick to speak with Holbert face-to-face in prison.For the full story of William Holbert, read The Jolly Roger Social Club: A True Story of a Killer in Paradise: https://www.amazon.com/Jolly-Roger-Social-Club-Paradise/dp/1627793720Listen to Natural Selection: Scott vs. Wild Bill: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/natural-selection-scott-v-wild-bill/id1734928408Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
39:1517/09/2024
Pamela Buchbinder

Pamela Buchbinder

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong dives into the attempted murder of Dr. Michael Weiss. In 2012. Michael and his ex-girlfriend, Dr. Pamela Buchbinder, both New York psychiatrists, were in a bitter custody battle over their son. Pamela covinces her cousin Jake, who is also her patient, to kill Michael. Candice explores how Pamela used her profession and Jake's mental illness as a way to control him and have him do anything she wanted - even murder.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
41:1710/09/2024
Encore - Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka: The Ken & Barbie Killers

Encore - Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka: The Ken & Barbie Killers

Former FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong digs into the murders committed by Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka - dubbed the ‘Ken and Barbie Killers’ by the press for their youth and good looks. But their name does not reveal the sadistic nature of the series of rapes and murders that the couple committed. Candice explores the psychology that brought these two killers together, and why only one of them is truly paying for the crimes.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
43:2903/09/2024
Encore - Dorothea Puente: Killer Landlord

Encore - Dorothea Puente: Killer Landlord

Former FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong delves into the case of Dorothea Puente, a murderer who primarily found her victims at the boarding house she oversaw. Dorothea hid behind a kind, grandmotherly facade, all the while stealing from and killing her residents.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
42:5227/08/2024
Jerry Brudos: Fetish Killer

Jerry Brudos: Fetish Killer

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of Jerry Brudos. In his youth, Jerry developed an obsession with women’s feet and shoes – an obsession that would eventually drive him to murder four women between 1968 and 1969. Candice explains how Jerry’s fetish may have manifested, and what drove him to commit such terrible acts to feed his dark and violent sexual fantasies. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
47:1620/08/2024
Karen Read

Karen Read

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong speaks with legal analyst Josh Ritter to discuss the polarizing trial of Karen Read, who stands accused of killing her boyfriend, Boston Police officer John O’Keefe, in January 2022. The case made its way into national headlines when both sides put forward two completely different theories of what happened to John. Prosecutors believe Karen killed him in a fit of rage – but the defense insists that she is the victim of a large-scale police cover-up. Candice and Josh discuss how the theories played out in court, why a mistrial was declared and what it could mean for the future of the case.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
36:4713/08/2024
Dennis Rader - BTK PT II: A Conversation with Katherine Ramsland

Dennis Rader - BTK PT II: A Conversation with Katherine Ramsland

In the second half of this two-part episode, retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong speaks with Dr. Katherine Ramsland, a forensic psychologist and one of the world’s foremost experts on serial killers. In her book, Confession of a Serial Killer: The Untold Story of Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer, Katherine details her years-long correspondence with Rader and what she learned about his twisted psyche. Candice and Katherine discuss the motivations behind Rader’s crimes and how his dark fantasies escalated to murder. Confession of a Serial Killer is available at https://www.amazon.com/Confession-Serial-Killer-Untold-Dennis/dp/1611688418.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
38:3506/08/2024
Dennis Rader: BTK Part I

Dennis Rader: BTK Part I

In the first half of this two-part episode, retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of Dennis Rader, also known as BTK. Over 17 years, Rader tortured and murdered 10 people, while playing a game of cat and mouse with law enforcement and the media. Candice digs into how one of the most infamous killers in history, was able to mask himself as loving father, church group president, and a government worker until his arrest in 2005.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
50:4330/07/2024
Dennis Nilsen: The Kindly Killer

Dennis Nilsen: The Kindly Killer

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong examines the case of Dennis Nilsen. Between 1978 and 1983, Nilsen preyed on the homeless and gay communities of London, murdering 15 people in his home. Candice dives into Nilsen’s isolated and lonely childhood, and the intense desire for love that led him to kill.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
47:5123/07/2024
Matthew Milat: Keeping Murder in the Family

Matthew Milat: Keeping Murder in the Family

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong digs into the case of Matthew Milat. In his early teen years, Matthew harbored an unhealthy obsession with his uncle -- Ivan Milat, the notorious "Backpack Murderer" of Australia. In 2010, Matthew decided to follow in Ivan's footsteps by killing his own friend. Candice explores Matthew's descent into idolizing his murderous uncle, and how a seemingly normal teenager turned into a cold-blooded killer.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
39:0716/07/2024
Belinda Van Krevel: Her Brother's Keeper

Belinda Van Krevel: Her Brother's Keeper

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of Belinda Van Krevel. After enduring a childhood of alleged abuse – and her brother’s eventual spiral into violence and imprisonment – she orchestrated the murder of her father, whom she blamed for her brother’s downfall. Candice dives into this troubled family, and how Belinda took matters into her own hands.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
45:3902/07/2024
Stephen Griffiths: Crossbow Killer

Stephen Griffiths: Crossbow Killer

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong dives into the case of Stephen Griffiths. Between 2009 and 2010, Griffiths killed and cannibalized women in the West Yorkshire, England town of Bradford. His unusual weapon of choice – a crossbow – earned him the nickname “The Crossbow Cannibal.” Candice digs into the troubled mind of Griffiths, and how his fascination with death and murder manifested into the unthinkable. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
40:0825/06/2024
Tackling True Crime, One Podcast at a Time: A Conversation With M. William Phelps

Tackling True Crime, One Podcast at a Time: A Conversation With M. William Phelps

For more than 20 years, bestselling author and investigative journalist M. William Phelps has been immersed in the world of true crime. As the host of the podcast Paper Ghosts, he seeks answers in unsolved cases. And in his podcast Crossing the Line with M. William Phelps, he sheds light on stories of the missing and murdered from the past – and the present. In today’s Headlines, Phelps joins Candice to dive deeper into his investigative process, and discuss some of the headline-grabbing cases he’s been covering.Listen to Crossing the Line with M. William Phelps: http://www.crossingtheline.biz/Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
13:4621/06/2024
Nancy Brophy: The Husband Killer

Nancy Brophy: The Husband Killer

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong walks us through the case of Nancy Brophy. Brophy was a romance novelist who murdered her husband Daniel at the culinary institute where he worked in 2018. Though it appeared that she and her husband had a good relationship and were said to be a loving couple, Brophy's elaborate plot showed signs that she had been planning his murder for years including an article she’d written entitled, “How To Kill Your Husband.” Candice explores how a seemingly happy relationship could suddenly evolve into murder.To hear more about the Nancy Brophy story, listen to Happily Never After: Dan and Nancy on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.Wondery+ subscribers can binge all episodes of Happily Never After early and ad-free right now. https://wondery.com/shows/happily-never-after/Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
43:3518/06/2024
How (Not) to Murder Your Husband: Inside the Story of Nancy Brophy

How (Not) to Murder Your Husband: Inside the Story of Nancy Brophy

In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by novelist Heidi Tretheway, who was formerly a member of Brophy's writing group, and currently hosts the new Wondery limited series Happily Never After: Dan and Nancy. Together, they discuss possible reasons why Brophy committed such a horrible crime, and take a closer look at her behavior before and after the murder.To hear more about the Nancy Brophy story, listen to Happily Never After: Dan and Nancy on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.Wondery+ subscribers can binge all episodes early and ad-free right now https://wondery.com/shows/happily-never-after/Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
14:3114/06/2024
The Case of Kouri Richins: Will the Defense Struggle to Prove Her Claim of Innocence?

The Case of Kouri Richins: Will the Defense Struggle to Prove Her Claim of Innocence?

In 2022, after the sudden death of her husband, Utah mother Kouri Richins released a children’s book about coping with grief. But shortly after the book garnered national attention, Kouri was charged with murder. Prosecutors say that she intentionally killed her own husband, but she claims she is innocent. Just a few weeks ago, Kouri’s attorneys withdrew from her case – and with her newly made public statements and previous jailhouse calls under the spotlight, there are questions now more than ever about how her case will play out in court. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by legal analyst Josh Ritter to discuss possible reasons why her counsel withdrew, and how Kouri’s own words could impact her case if it goes to trial. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
13:2707/06/2024
John Wayne Gacy, Part 2: A Conversation with his Appeal Lawyer

John Wayne Gacy, Part 2: A Conversation with his Appeal Lawyer

In the second half of this two-part episode, retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong speaks with Chicago trial attorney, radio show host and legal analyst Karen Conti, who represented notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy in his final death row appeal attempts. Candice and Karen discuss what Gacy was like on a personal level and what most people do not know about Gacy, the man convicted of committing 33 murders. Karen's new book, "Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy: Defending America’s Most Evil Serial Killer on Death Row" is out now and available on Amazon. To learn more about Karen and the book, please check out www.karenconti.comNeed more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
40:1804/06/2024
Felonious Florida: The Case of The Pillowcase Rapist

Felonious Florida: The Case of The Pillowcase Rapist

During the 1980s, women in South Florida were terrorized by a prolific serial rapist. Victims reported a man sneaking into their homes at night and assaulting them while covering their faces with a pillowcase. They called him “The Pillowcase Rapist,” and after over 40 assaults, he vanished, until over 30 years later, when a stroke of luck led police to the culprit: Robert Koehler. In today’s Headlines, Candice talks to David Schutz, a journalist at the South Florida Sun Sentinel and host of the Felonious Florida podcast, whose newest season focuses on Koehler and his crimes. Candice and David discuss Koehler’s paranoid delusions and if he was mentally the same person committing the rapes as he is more than 30 years later.Listen to Felonious Florida at: https://wondery.com/shows/felonious-florida/Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
15:1431/05/2024
John Wayne Gacy: The Killer Clown, Part I

John Wayne Gacy: The Killer Clown, Part I

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong breaks down the seminal case of John Wayne Gacy. Known as the "Killer Clown," Gacy murdered thirty-three boys and young men, burying the majority of them under his house. Candice digs into Gacy's abusive childhood, a domineering father and internalized homophobia to understand how he became one of the most famous serial killers of all time.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
52:5028/05/2024
Why Did Kendra Licari Harass her Own Daughter? The Strange Case of "Cyber Munchausen Syndrome"

Why Did Kendra Licari Harass her Own Daughter? The Strange Case of "Cyber Munchausen Syndrome"

For over a year, Kendra Licari’s 14-year-old daughter received threatening and harmful messages from a person she believed to be another teenager. She told her mom and together, they reported the harassment to the police. Cyberbullying at its worst, the hateful messages devastated Kendra’s daughter as she didn’t know the culprit behind the messages, nor could she make them stop. After months of investigating, police found that the sender was Kendra herself. The case inspired the new Lifetime movie, "Mommy Meanest.”In today’s Headlines, Candice talks to family and marriage therapist Dr. Karyl McBride about Kendra’s possible motivations and the pathology of narcissistic family members.To read Dr. McBride’s newest book Will the Drama Ever End? visit: https://www.amazon.com/Will-Drama-Ever-End-Untangling/dp/1982198737/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
11:2624/05/2024
The Weepy Voiced Killer: Paul Michael Stephani

The Weepy Voiced Killer: Paul Michael Stephani

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong delves into the case of Paul Michael Stephani, also known as the “Weepy-Voiced Killer.” A serial murderer who terrorized women around St-Paul in the early 80s, Stephani got his moniker because he would place anonymous calls to the police and report his own crimes in a whiny, high-pitched, weepy voice. Was he looking to be found? Was his remorse real? Candice explores why this killer would confess in 911 calls, and how his strict religious upbringing influenced his penchant for murder.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
37:3721/05/2024
The Trial of Chad Daybell: Will a Bombshell Testimony Lead to Conviction?

The Trial of Chad Daybell: Will a Bombshell Testimony Lead to Conviction?

The trial of "Doomsday Prophet" Chad Daybell is well underway, expected to last at least two months, with more than sixty witnesses having taken the stand so far. Daybell stands accused of murder in the deaths of his first wife, Tammy Daybell, and the two children of his second wife, Lori Vallow. Daybell is facing the death penalty. Though his first wife’s death was originally thought to be a result of natural causes, officials later ruled it suspicious. The bodies of the children, Tylee and JJ, were found in Daybell’s backyard.In today's Headlines, Candice is joined by journalist Lauren Matthias, who has been attending the trial and covering the case extensively on her podcast Hidden True Crime. Together, they will discuss the evidence presented against Daybell so far, the shocking revelations from this week's testimony, and what we can expect from the trial in the weeks to come.To listen to Hidden True Crime, visit https://redcircle.com/shows/7b88c407-520a-4279-8325-416d02cd8602. To watch on YouTube, visit https://www.youtube.com/hiddentruecrime.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
12:4217/05/2024
Nathan Matthews: The Murderous Step-Brother

Nathan Matthews: The Murderous Step-Brother

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong examines the case of Nathan Matthews. With the help of his girlfriend Shauna Hoare, Nathan brutally murdered his sixteen year old step-sister Becky Watts in a sexually motivated attack. Candice walks us through how Nathan's history of resentment and dangerous sexual fantasies tore his family apart, and culminated in the murder of Becky, who later became known as "The Angel of Bristol." Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
41:0514/05/2024
Program or Prison Time? The Fate of Dharmesh Patel is Now in Judge’s Hands

Program or Prison Time? The Fate of Dharmesh Patel is Now in Judge’s Hands

In January 2023, California radiologist Dharmesh Patel intentionally drove his Tesla off a cliff with his wife and two children inside after suffering a “psychotic break” and extreme delusions. Miraculously, the entire family survived. When Patel recovered from his injuries, he was charged with three counts of attempted murder. Now, with the support of psychologists and Patel’s own wife, he is being considered for a mental health diversion program rather than a criminal trial and prison time. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by legal analyst Josh Ritter to take a closer look at what diversion programs are, and how the program could positively or negatively impact Patel’s case. Candice and Josh weigh the pros and cons of using the judicial system to solve mental health problems.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
13:4710/05/2024
Pamela Smart: Fatal Obsession

Pamela Smart: Fatal Obsession

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong dives into the case of Pamela Smart, whose twisted story became a media sensation in the 90s when her husband was found dead. Pamela was accused of orchestrating his murder with the help of four teenage boys, one of whom she alledgedly seduced. Candice explores how Pamela skillfully manipulated those around her to execute her sinister plan, and examines the unraveling of her murder plot.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
46:1107/05/2024
The Trial of Karen Read: A Tale of Two Theories

The Trial of Karen Read: A Tale of Two Theories

After nearly two years of pretrial hearings and preparations, Karen Read’s second-degree murder trial is now underway. She is accused of hitting her boyfriend, Boston Police officer John O’Keefe with her SUV in 2022 and leaving him to die in a bitter snowstorm. She contends that John’s death was caused by a brutal beating by his own law enforcement friends, and that she is the victim of an elaborate cover-up. With two completely different theories of what happened that night being presented in court, many wonder which side will convince the jury – and how. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by criminal defense attorney Rachel Fiset to discuss the defense’s “third party culprit” argument, how a muddied investigation could hurt the prosecution’s chance at conviction, and what shocking evidence we can expect to see throughout the trial.For more about Rachel, visit https://zfzlaw.com/team-members/rachel-fiset/.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
12:5403/05/2024
Belle Gunness: The Norwegian Black Widow

Belle Gunness: The Norwegian Black Widow

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of Belle Gunness, a Norwegian immigrant who arrived in America in the late 1800s. Known as “The Black Widow,” Belle found financial stability through multiple marriages...but the men she entrapped met gruesome ends, with their remains discovered buried on her property. The true extent of Belle Gunness’ crimes remains unknown, but it is believed that she killed at least fourteen people, including her own children and several suitors. After her crimes were discovered, Gunness disappeared without a trace. Many suspect she faked her own death and lived off her victims’ money.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
37:2030/04/2024
Murder on My Mind: What Comes Next for YNW Melly?

Murder on My Mind: What Comes Next for YNW Melly?

Jamell Demons, known by his stage name YNW Melly, rose to fame when his song “Murder on My Mind” hit the mainstream rap charts. But not long after hitting a high point in his career, Melly was charged with killing his two childhood friends and staging the crime scene to mislead police. After his first trial was declared a mistrial, many are wondering what comes next for Melly – who is facing the death penalty. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by Law & Crime correspondent Angenette Levy, who conducted interviews with those closest to the case for the podcast Murder on My Mind. Together, they discuss the evidence against Melly, why his first trial ended the way it did, and the ongoing battle between Melly’s team and the prosecution.Listen to Murder on My Mind: YNW Melly Double Murder Trial, exclusively on Wondery+: https://wondery.com/shows/murder-on-my-mind-ynw-melly-double-murder-trial/Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
11:5226/04/2024
America’s First Mass School Shooting: The Texas Tower Shooter

America’s First Mass School Shooting: The Texas Tower Shooter

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong dives into the case of Charles Whitman, also known as the Texas Tower Shooter. In 1966, he wreaked havoc on the campus of the University of Texas at Austin in one of the first mass school shootings in American history. Candice explores how Whitman went from a promising young man to a deadly gunman, who killed more than a dozen people and instilled fear into generations to come.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
51:2523/04/2024
Jennifer and James Crumbley Sentenced: Will More Parents Pay for Their Child’s Crimes?

Jennifer and James Crumbley Sentenced: Will More Parents Pay for Their Child’s Crimes?

Ethan Crumbley was just 15 years old when he was arrested for killing four students and injuring several others in a shooting at Oxford High School in 2021. When investigators learned that his parents, Jennifer and James Crumbley, failed to prevent the deadly actions of their son, they were charged and eventually convicted of involuntary manslaughter – becoming the first parents in U.S. history to be held criminally responsible for their child’s mass school shooting plot. A landmark ruling last week sentenced them both to 10 years in prison. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by legal analyst Josh Ritter to discuss how Jennifer and James’ negligence led to their sentences, and the impact this case could have on parents in the future.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
12:5919/04/2024
The Poisonous Mother: Diane Staudte's Antifreeze Murders

The Poisonous Mother: Diane Staudte's Antifreeze Murders

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong digs into a tragic family betrayal: the antifreeze murders. Diane Staudte, a seemingly ordinary wife and mother from Missouri, shocked her community when it was revealed she was responsible for a series of poisonings that led to the deaths of her husband, her son and the hospitalization of her daughter. In a twisted bid for control and financial gain, Staudte poisoned her family with antifreeze–and acted with the help of her middle daughter and favorite child, Rachel.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
47:0316/04/2024
Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt: New Insights on the Dangerous Duo

Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt: New Insights on the Dangerous Duo

In February, former “mommy vlogger” Ruby Franke and therapist Jodi Hildebrandt were sent to prison after their abuse of Ruby’s children came to light. But even with the duo behind bars, new information has made its way into the headlines – including Ruby’s own diary, in which she meticulously documented the abuse of her children whom she deemed “manipulative” and possessed. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by Jessica Lowther, executive producer, and Cooper Moll, writer and producer of the Law & Crime podcast The Rise and Fall of Ruby Franke. They discuss how Ruby and Jodi’s relationship only intensified their extreme beliefs and behavior, and the revelations from Ruby’s diary.  Listen to The Rise and Fall of Ruby Franke, exclusively on Wondery+: https://wondery.com/links/the-rise-and-fall-of-ruby-franke/Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
15:4212/04/2024
Jennifer Pan: Deadly Expectations

Jennifer Pan: Deadly Expectations

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of Jennifer Pan, a Canadian woman of Vietnamese descent who gained infamy for orchestrating a complex deception that culminated in the murder of her mother and the attempted murder of her father in 2010. Unable to meet her controlling parents high expectations, Jennifer fabricated a double life of academic achievement while secretly leading a rebellious lifestyle. Fueled by a desire to escape her parents' control and inherit her family's wealth, Pan devised a plan to have them killed by hiring hitmen. Candice digs into the myths surrounding "tiger parenting" and explores how Jennifer's upbringing may have pushed her over the edge. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
44:1809/04/2024
How “Professional Squatter” Caroline Herrling Made Her Victim Disappear

How “Professional Squatter” Caroline Herrling Made Her Victim Disappear

When longtime Sherman Oaks resident Charles Wilding stopped leaving his house in 2020, his neighbors became concerned. But what troubled them the most was the arrival of Caroline Herrling, a stranger claiming to be Charles’ trustee, responsible for restoring and selling his home. Eventually, neighbors and authorities would learn that Caroline was the mastermind behind a multi million dollar fraud scheme – and getting rid of Charles was simply the first step.In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by LA Times staff writer Brittny Mejia, who has covered the case in-depth. They discuss how Caroline’s scheme was exposed, how she targeted other victims, and where the investigation stands now.For more of Brittny's reporting, visit https://www.latimes.com/people/brittny-mejia. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
13:0205/04/2024
Israel Keyes: The Making of an American Monster

Israel Keyes: The Making of an American Monster

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong walks us through the sordid case of Israel Keyes, one of the most prolific serial killers in American history. Though Keyes was only formally charged with one murder, he is suspected of the sexual assault and killing of eleven other victims. His ability to evade detection for years left behind a trail of unsolved murders scattered across the country. Raised in a strict religious household, Candice explores how his early fascination with violence and his strict fundamentalist beliefs shaped him into the murderer he became. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
50:2002/04/2024
Selena and Yolanda Saldivar: The Killing of an Icon

Selena and Yolanda Saldivar: The Killing of an Icon

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong delves into the case of Yolanda Saldivar, who became famous after she murdered the Queen of Tejano music, Selena Quintanilla. Claiming to be Selena’s biggest fan, Yolanda was given permission to form the young singer’s fan club and became an integral part of Selena’s other business ventures. But when it was discovered that she had stolen money from Selena and their “friendship” was over, Yolanda’s response turned deadly. Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
39:4726/03/2024
Chad Daybell: The Doomsday Prophet Trial

Chad Daybell: The Doomsday Prophet Trial

In 2020, Chad Daybell was arrested alongside his wife, Lori Vallow, in the deaths of Lori’s two children and his first wife Tammy. The murders have been tied to Chad and Lori’s belief of an impending apocalypse. Lori has been convicted and sentenced for her role in the crimes – and with Chad’s trial just around the corner, many are wondering how his case will play out in court. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by journalist Lauren Matthias, who has been covering the case extensively on her podcast Hidden True Crime. They discuss how Chad’s history and belief system played a role in his alleged crimes, and what we can expect from his defense at trial.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
12:5522/03/2024
The Jonestown Massacre: Inside the Mind of Jim Jones

The Jonestown Massacre: Inside the Mind of Jim Jones

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong examines the famous case of Jim Jones and the massacre in Jonestown, Guyana. Jones was the dynamic leader of The People's Temple cult, who moved his followers to a compound in Guyana to escape scrutiny. When California Congressman Leo Ryan took a group of journalists to investigate the claims the cult members were held against their will, he was assassinated by Jones' followers. This spurred Jones to mass murder and suicide within the compound, leaving over 900 people dead. While many people know about the Jonestown tragedy, Candice illuminates Jim Jones' journey from student pastor in the Methodist church to cult leader.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
51:3519/03/2024
The Murder of Madeline Soto: Mother’s Boyfriend is Prime Suspect

The Murder of Madeline Soto: Mother’s Boyfriend is Prime Suspect

When 13-year-old Madeline Soto did not show up to middle school on February 26th, her mother’s boyfriend, Stephan Sterns, claimed he dropped the teenager off that morning safe and sound. Since then, investigators have found evidence suggesting that Stephan sexually abused Madeline for years. When her body was found just days later, their missing persons report quickly turned into a homicide investigation. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by WFTV 9 reporter Shannon Butler to discuss how Stephan became the “prime suspect” in Madeline’s death, how Shannon learned of inconsistencies in statements made by Madeline’s mother, and where the investigation stands now.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
13:0815/03/2024
Terror on the Interstate: The Crimes of Randall Woodfield

Terror on the Interstate: The Crimes of Randall Woodfield

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong unearths the case of Randall Woodfield, also known as the "I-5 Killer." A former football player turned serial killer who terrorized the West Coast in the 1970s, he preyed on victims along the Interstate 5 corridor, committing a string of murders, rapes, and robberies. Despite his charming facade, Woodfield's heinous crimes shocked the nation. Candice explores his seemingly normal upbringing and when he began to show signs of psychopathy.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
33:4312/03/2024
Cover Up or Cold-Blooded Murder? The Case of Karen Read

Cover Up or Cold-Blooded Murder? The Case of Karen Read

Karen Read was charged with second-degree murder for the death of her boyfriend, Boston Police officer John O’Keefe. According to prosecutors, Karen deliberately hit John with her car while dropping him off at a friend’s house, leaving him to die in the snow. But her defense team claims that she is the victim of a cover up, perpetrated by the police.Karen was supposed to go to trial this month, but now, it is delayed due to new evidence. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by legal analyst Josh Ritter to discuss why the trial date was pushed, and what we can expect to see from both sides when they finally face a jury.Need more Killer Psyche? With Wondery+, enjoy exclusive episodes, early access to new ones, and they’re always ad-free. Start your free trial in the Wondery App or visit wondery.app.link/TI5l5KzpDLb now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
14:3708/03/2024