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When David Axelrod and Mike Murphy get together to talk politics, it’s not academic. They speak from the perspective gained through hundreds of campaigns for offices from City Hall to the White House. So if you want to know what’s really going on behind the scenes, where strategic decisions are being made, pull up a stool for Hacks on Tap. Incisive, sometimes uproarious and always entertaining, these political warhorses and their guests will give you insights you’ll only get from folks who have spent a lifetime in the political trenches of both parties.
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The New Non-Normal (with Jonathan Martin)

The New Non-Normal (with Jonathan Martin)

This week, Axe and Murphy are joined by international Hack savant Jonathan Martin. The trio dives into Trump’s nomination circus, ranking his picks by sheer audacity and dissecting their broader implications. They also tackle the fight for DNC chair, the unraveling of democratic norms, and a potential political clash as wild as two tomcats in a pillowcase.
01:01:3719/11/2024
Picking Through the Rubble

Picking Through the Rubble

This week, the Hacks report from the esteemed Institute of Politics at the University of Chicago. They sift through the aftermath of the election to analyze the strategies of both the Trump and Harris campaigns, Trump’s proposed appointments, the battle for leadership, and what these developments mean for the next four years and beyond.
57:4012/11/2024
Election Post-Mortem

Election Post-Mortem

Well folks, we have our results. Axe, Murphy, and Heilemann dive into the numbers and break down what this means for the next four years. They also explore the dynamics of both campaigns, analyzing shifting polling trends, key battleground states, and the broader political landscape to offer their insights on what the next chapter in American politics will hold.
01:12:5007/11/2024
Landing the Plane

Landing the Plane

On the eve of the election, the excitement is palpable as voters get ready to cast their ballots. The Hacks gather for one last huddle, dissecting the campaign’s vibe shift, Trump’s latest missteps, and the buzz from the new Iowa Seltzer poll. They recap the whirlwind of the past ten days and Murphy throws in a bold prediction. Tune in to find out what they’re thinking—and don’t forget to make your voice heard and vote!
37:1604/11/2024
Girls v. Boys

Girls v. Boys

Happy Saturday, Hackeroos! This morning, the Hacks gathered for a pre-Election spectacular you won’t want to miss! They recorded a double minisode, diving into topics like candy a$$ draft dodgers, closing arguments, and Elon’s payolas. Plus, they explore the final paid media spots from both campaigns. Tune in for all the insights!
52:4302/11/2024
Crazier & Crazier

Crazier & Crazier

With the election just a week away, the political landscape is like a reality show finale—full of drama, plot twists, and a few surprise guest stars! Axe, Murphy, and Heilemann dissect Trump’s tumultuous NYC rally, compare the enemies list versus the to-do list, explore the art of channeling the negative force, discuss Beyoncé (!), analyze Trump’s Joe Rogan interview, delve into Michelle Obama’s impassioned speech, and so much more! Listen to the end for a special celebrity mailbag question!
59:3729/10/2024
The Sprint

The Sprint

Well, Hackeroos, we’re just two weeks away from the big showdown! Axe, Murphy, and Heilemann are really getting to the shaft of things as they discuss the final sprint of the Harris and Trump Campaign. The Hacks discuss Trump’s obsession with Arnold Palmer, Harris’s Fox News interview, Trump losing energy, the blue wall thesis, nose holding republicans, campaign messaging, early mail vote counts, and so much more!
01:11:1322/10/2024
Margin of Effort (with Ron Brownstein)

Margin of Effort (with Ron Brownstein)

Hack-A-Doodle-Doo! We are three weeks out from election day, so Axe & Murphy have enlisted their favorite political whiz, Ron Brownstein, the human encyclopedia of hackfoolery! The Hacks break down the state of the race, dissect Harris’s messaging hits and misses, and explore how the popular vote, Senate, and House races could differ from the top of the ticket. They’ll introduce you to a lovely hammer-swinging couple, discuss giant magnets, layer cakes, and so much more!
01:07:5915/10/2024
Murder Genes & Media Gymnastics (with Mike Bender)

Murder Genes & Media Gymnastics (with Mike Bender)

This week, Heilemann and Murphy were joined by the esteemed and remarkably flexible Mike Bender, NYT political correspondent and author of Frankly, We Did Win This Election: The Inside Story of How Trump Lost. The Hacks break down murder genes, Harris’s media blitz, take bets on whether there will be another presidential debate, moments of crazy strength, being in the zone, wiggly flip-flopping, and so much more.
01:18:0208/10/2024
VP Debate

VP Debate

Three bleary-eyed, bloviating Hacks convened this morning to dissect the VP debate. The Hacks leave no stone unturned, exploring everything from electric vehicle politics to eyeliner choices—because it's all fair game, as long as the leading man isn’t upstaged. Tune in to hear about manatee killer instincts, Vance’s early debate wins, Walz’s underdog finish, a slick yet sloppy tie, and so much more!
01:01:0702/10/2024
Poller Coaster (with Alyssa Farah Griffin)

Poller Coaster (with Alyssa Farah Griffin)

This week Axe and Murphy were joined Alyssa Farah Griffin, host of The View and former Trump White House communications staffer. The Hacks dive into poll-a-palooza, viral pet songs, Trump’s internal messaging battle, radioactive candidates, and so much more. Buckle up!
01:06:2524/09/2024
It’s the Economy, Stupid (with James Carville)

It’s the Economy, Stupid (with James Carville)

This week, Axe and Murphy were joined by The Ragin' Cajun himself. They explored the latest political developments, including another assassination attempt on Trump, the case Kamala Harris and her team need to make, and a thorough analysis of the economy and Bidenomics. They also previewed the upcoming documentary that chronicles Carville’s career and the battles he’s fought—because if anyone knows how to tell a legendary story, it’s Carville!
01:03:3217/09/2024
Debate Post Mortem

Debate Post Mortem

In a caffeine-fueled fever dream, three overworked faux doctors gathered this morning to dissect last night’s presidential debate. Join us as our "medical experts" administer a thorough post-mortem on the debate’s highs and lows: from the subtle art of baiting former presidents to whether your furry friends are in danger from political shrapnel. We’ll also diagnose the hot-button issues, dissect the theatrical stagecraft, and predict the political fallout with a dose of diagnostic wit.
01:05:0911/09/2024
Debate Preview

Debate Preview

This morning the Hacks gathered bright and early just for you, to dish out a can’t-miss debate preview. As the post-convention sugar high fades and a fresh New York Times poll shakes up the race, the Hacks dive into the high-stakes drama of the upcoming debate. They break down how each camp is gearing up for the spotlight, what we can expect from the moderators, and much more. Plus, in a truly scientific endeavor, the guys offer their highly precise, definitely-not-just-a-guess estimates on TV audience size. Don’t miss it!
33:2209/09/2024
Fuster Cluck

Fuster Cluck

Happy post-Labor Day campaign sprint to all who celebrate! The Hacks gathered this morning to dissect the Harris & Walz interview, figure out who's taken the toughest swings at Mike Pence, and take a deep dive into how abortion might shake up this election. They also discuss Trump’s struggle to stay on message, his strong man schtick, the battle for Pennsylvania, and cross pollinating between swing states. And in true Trump fashion, they’ve got an announcement that’s not just exciting—it’s tremendous, beautiful, and the best you’ve ever seen. Believe me!
01:11:1403/09/2024
Mainstream v. Extreme

Mainstream v. Extreme

This bleary-eyed morning, the Hacks gathered to dish out their final takes on the Democratic National Convention. They tackled Kamala’s speech, Trump’s misdialed thoughts on Kamala’s speech, where the campaigns go from here, RFK dropping out, Chicago being an extraordinary host city, and so much more!
45:2923/08/2024
Overtime Oration

Overtime Oration

The Hacks are LIVE from the iconic Chicago institution, Manny’s Deli! Join Axe, Heilemann, and Murphy as they dig into Biden’s speeches—yes, both of them—and take a deep dive into the highs and lows of the other speakers' performances. They’ll be serving up hot takes—make that hot latkes—on filibustering, whether the messaging hit the mark, and, of course, how many times Murphy plans to cast his vote while he's in the Windy City. And don’t miss their special segment where they debate if a good corned beef can save a bad policy!
53:2120/08/2024
The Rule of Three

The Rule of Three

Axe and Murphy kick off this week's episode with an exciting announcement that’s sure to shake things up! After the big reveal, they dive into Trump’s glitchy X interview, the evolving role of social media in this election cycle and what it means for the future of politics, check in on polling, Kamalamentum, and Walz Weirdness. With the DNC convention headed to our beloved Chicago, the guys share their thoughts on what to expect.
01:02:0713/08/2024
Ope There It Is (with John Anzalone)

Ope There It Is (with John Anzalone)

*Disclaimer: The Executive Producer of this podcast is from the great state of Minnesota.* This oh for cute week Axe and Murphy were joined by the great John Anzalone. In exciting but not at all predictable news, Minnesota has once again produced a Vice Presidential candidate. The Hacks discuss how Minnesota is the best state in the union, dontcha know, Walz’s unparalleled experience with state (a)fairs, how the campaign is pivoting to build the Wal(l)z messaging, and how the announcement could (purple) rain on Trump’s parade. Can the man from 10,000 lakes rise up to meet these high stakes as he enters skol-ding hot waters? Grab a pop, and a Juicy Lucy, and tune in!
01:04:1606/08/2024
The Veepstakes (with Jonathan Martin and Bob Costa)

The Veepstakes (with Jonathan Martin and Bob Costa)

This week, Murphy was joined by Mr. Politics, Bob Costa, and Politico reporter and current flâneur in Paris, Jonathan Martin. The Hacks dive into the vice presidential contenders, the Biden-to-Harris transition relay, the race to put new ads on the air, and Donald Trump's messaging hurdles against his new opponent. And naturally, our very own Mike Murphy clinches the gold medal for his spot-on Hacks on Tap prediction
01:03:4330/07/2024
Kamalat (with John Heilemann)

Kamalat (with John Heilemann)

This week, Axe and Murphy were joined by expert Hackeroo and high-velocity pundit, John Heilemann. Because clearly, there's just not enough breaking news happening in the world. The Hacks salute Joe Biden’s decision, and dive into the next steps of the Kamala Harris presidential campaign: Inheriting the Biden operation, coming out with new messaging and ads, reversing the Biden age issue, and who could be the Vice President’s Vice President? The Hacks also cover “brat,” campaign attack ads, inflation, the border, Dobbs, and so much more!
01:02:0623/07/2024
The Fight (with Tim Alberta)

The Fight (with Tim Alberta)

This week, Axe and Murphy are joined by esteemed journalist, Republican chronicler, and author Tim Alberta. Together, they dive into an incredibly significant and historic news cycle, covering the shocking attempted assassination of a former president, the opening night of the Republican National Convention, Trump's VP pick and protégé, classified documents, political shifts, strength versus weakness, legacy politics, and much more.
54:0116/07/2024
Press Panic (with Bill Kristol)

Press Panic (with Bill Kristol)

This week, famous elitists Axe Murphy donned their velvet suits to catch up with fellow elite Hack and friend of the pod, Bill Kristol. The Hacks dive into Biden’s path forward, the growing significance of Kamala Harris and her future ambitions, Trump’s veepstakes, backup contenders, White House press shenanigans, campaign leaks, political backstabbing, and more!
58:2909/07/2024
Tick Tock, Tick Tock (with Jonathan Martin)

Tick Tock, Tick Tock (with Jonathan Martin)

This week Axe and Murphy were joined by provocateur, world traveler, food & wine expert, and nationally ranked ballroom dancer, Jonathan Martin. The guys breakdown the post debate political landscape in the public and behind closed doors, check in on a few key states, and prepare for a new batch of polls. 
01:04:3102/07/2024
The Political Fairway (with David Plouffe)

The Political Fairway (with David Plouffe)

Axe and Murphy teed off bright and early this morning to putt heads with David Plouffe. We had a pre-debate chat with him and wanted to regroup to compare-and-contrast notes. The Hacks drive straight into last night's debate: the overall outcome, the impact of no audience and mic cuts, which VP candidate landed a hole-in-one, sidestepping tough questions like a sand trap, and a whole lot more.
37:2728/06/2024
The Trap (with David Plouffe)

The Trap (with David Plouffe)

This week, Axe and Murphy are joined by the legendary Hack and campaign maestro, David Plouffe. The Davids and Mike delve deep into the upcoming debate and how the campaigns are preparing. Who will poke first, big red forehead buttons, viral moments, cut mics, counter punching, pivoting, baiting, and the ultimate traps. The Hacks also map out the best case, worst case, and just-get-through-it scenarios for both the Biden and Trump camps. Get ready for an insider’s guide to the debate stage!
01:08:1425/06/2024
Naked On A Rock (with Jonathan Freedland)

Naked On A Rock (with Jonathan Freedland)

This week, Axe and Murphy are joined by Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland, who also hosts the Guardian's "Politics Weekly America" podcast and co-hosts the Unholy podcast. The Hacks discuss debate preparation: microphone logistics and optics, messaging from convicted felons, and playing checkers with Charles Manson. In this international edition of Hacks on Tap, they hop across the pond to discuss UK politics and weather, and then talk about Israel and what to expect from Netanyahu’s visit to the U.S. Plus, we celebrate one of our very own in-house Hacks!
01:06:4218/06/2024
Double Haters (with Sarah Longwell)

Double Haters (with Sarah Longwell)

This week Axe and Gibbs were joined by focus group guru and Bulwark legend, Sarah Longwell. Trump is out of the courtroom and back on the trail, the Hacks break down his concerns over teleprompter technology, Hunter Biden’s conviction, how both camps are preparing for the debate, vibe sessions v. recessions, dancing bears, and so much more!
58:2611/06/2024
The Guilties (with Mark McKinnon & Steve Israel)

The Guilties (with Mark McKinnon & Steve Israel)

This week Murphy is flying solo, so he brought in A-team Hackeroos and frequent guests Mark McKinnon and Steve Israel. The Hacks discuss Trump’s 34 guilty verdicts and how both sides should adjust their messaging, what this means for undecided voters, the second big polling panic, the upcoming debate worth all the marbles, the Trump VP candidate smell test, pop vs. soda, and so so so much more. You won’t want to miss this one!
01:03:2704/06/2024
The Angry Trump (with Chris Christie)

The Angry Trump (with Chris Christie)

This week, Axe and Murphy were joined by former New Jersey governor and recent GOP presidential hopeful, Chris Christie! The Hacks draw on Christie’s experience preparing Trump for past debates to discuss his mindset heading into the Biden debate, his legal saga and fear of jail, Nikki Haley’s endorsement, being the adult in the room, leaf blowers, surrogates, and much more.
01:11:2628/05/2024
Wetting the Bed (with Howard Wolfson)

Wetting the Bed (with Howard Wolfson)

This week, Axe and Murphy are joined by the legendary Hack and master strategist, Howard Wolfson. The Hacks delve into Trump's legal troubles: where are they headed, and do voters care? They compare the Biden and Trump campaign financing reports, preview the June presidential debate, discuss foreign policy issues, and reveal Mike Murphy's pop culture presence.
01:08:1521/05/2024
W.T.F., Man? (With John Heilemann)

W.T.F., Man? (With John Heilemann)

This week, Axe and Gibbs were joined by one of our esteemed Hackeroos, a favorite among all-stars, none other than John Heilemann. Together, they delve into various topics, including the rotating cast of characters in court with Donald Trump, the latest poll findings from the New York Times, economic trends and the rising cost of living, as well as the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East, plus so much more! 
01:09:1714/05/2024
Floors & Ceilings (with Doug Sosnik)

Floors & Ceilings (with Doug Sosnik)

This week Axe and Murphy were joined by an expert Hackeroo, Doug Sosnik, former Senior Advisor to President Bill Clinton. the Hacks discuss Trump’s legal antics, Big Campaign Energy (BCE), puppy slayers, the race for GOP VP, RFK’s unbaked cake, escape valves, capitalism, and so much more.
01:10:5207/05/2024
Tired, Sleepy & Gassy (with Paul Begala)

Tired, Sleepy & Gassy (with Paul Begala)

This week Murphy and Gibbs were joined by the great Paul Begala, CNN contributor and former counselor to President Bill Clinton. The Hacks discuss the White House Correspondents Dinner, Trump’s ongoing legal issues, CNN’s newest poll, unconventional media opportunities, shooting puppies(???), and so much more!
01:02:2830/04/2024
Bubbling Over (with Scott Jennings)

Bubbling Over (with Scott Jennings)

This week, Axe and Murphy were joined by Scott Jennings, a GOP strategist, conservative columnist, and CNN commentator. The Hacks discuss Johnson’s Speakership and the battle to pass aid packages, star GOP recruits, foreign wars, campus free speech, Biden’s messaging, and Trump’s trials.
01:04:4123/04/2024
Bad Options (with Whit Ayers and Jonathan Martin)

Bad Options (with Whit Ayers and Jonathan Martin)

This week finds Gibbs flying solo as Axe and Murphy are, shall we say, on the run. Nevertheless, the show must go on, and Gibbs is joined by two esteemed guests: GOP pollster Whit Ayers and Jonathan Martin, renowned author of “This Will Not Pass: Trump, Biden and the Battle for America’s Future". Together, they embark on a deep dive into the week's tumultuous news cycle, examining everything from the latest New York Times poll to Trump’s hush money jury selection, the challenges and opportunities for both parties on abortion and immigration messaging, foreign policy, campaign infrastructure, margins of error, the golden bachelor, and so much more! 
01:01:3616/04/2024
Mixed Messages (with Sasha Issenberg)

Mixed Messages (with Sasha Issenberg)

This week, Axe and Murphy were joined by the distinguished Hack and renowned lie detective, Sasha Issenberg. Together, they delve into Trump's contradictory stance on abortion and his intriguing status as a Florida voter. The Hacks also dissect Biden's endeavors for student loan forgiveness, the evolving landscape of TikTok, the complexities of foreign policy, ongoing conflicts, the impact of social media, the rise of deep fakes, the lunar eclipse, and oh so much more!
58:2309/04/2024
Gas & Eggs (with John Heilemann)

Gas & Eggs (with John Heilemann)

This week Axe & Murphy were joined by a fan favorite Hackeroo, the great John Heilemann. The guys discussed Biden’s three presidents event, Trump’s holiday messaging, campaign financing, margins of error, debates, gag orders, hush money, porn stars, and so much more!
55:3302/04/2024
Bizarroland (with Bakari Sellers)

Bizarroland (with Bakari Sellers)

The week Axe and Murphy were joined by Bakari Sellers, a former South Carolina State Rep, current attorney, and political commentator—making his debut appearance on Hacks on Tap! The Hacks discussed the propitious time we find ourselves in (bet you can’t guess who chose that word), Trump as a Showman, recent polls and their contextual significance, one-party rule, running against the couch, as well as knives, forks, and geometry. And, of course, so much more!
01:02:0226/03/2024
Nostalgia for Normalcy (with Maggie Haberman)

Nostalgia for Normalcy (with Maggie Haberman)

This week Gibbs and Murphy were joined by the scoop-master Hackeroo extraordinaire Maggie Haberman, who is the Senior Political Correspondent for the New York Times and author of “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America”. The Hacks discuss Trump’s colorful rally in Dayton, the Ohio Senate race, Biden’s messaging problems and opportunities, and so much more. Tune in for the brilliant analysis, listen all the way through for all of Murphy’s insider gossip.
58:5719/03/2024
Dingbats with Chainsaws (with Amy Walter)

Dingbats with Chainsaws (with Amy Walter)

This week, Axe and Murphy were joined by the immortal and excellent Amy Walter, publisher, and editor-in-chief of The Cook Report with Amy Walter. The Hacks discuss Biden’s State of the Union speech and Katie Britt’s rebuttal. The guys also delve into discuss the state of the race, new campaign ads, the Trump Lobotomy Academy, guys in suits yelling at each other, loyalty purges and fun house mirrors. 
59:2713/03/2024
Sore Bruiser (with Jen Psaki and Scott Jennings)

Sore Bruiser (with Jen Psaki and Scott Jennings)

This week, Murray and Gibbs took off on vacation, their absence becoming our gain, as Axe welcomed two powerhouse Hackeroos, along with familiar faces Jen Psaki and Scott Jennings. The Hacks delve into the aftermath of Super Tuesday, Haley's exit and its impact on the race, the art of acceptance speeches, effective messaging strategies, weird-ass campaigns, the ever-relevant sore loser rule, and the delicate dance of punching down. Plus, they peer into their crystal ball to speculate on what Biden's SOTU speech may focus on.
57:0106/03/2024
Politicianing (with Sarah Longwell)

Politicianing (with Sarah Longwell)

This week, Axe and Gibbs had the pleasure of welcoming the illustrious Superstar Hackeroo and cherished friend of the pod, Sarah Longwell, who is the host of The Focus Group Podcast and publisher of The Bulwark. Together, the Hacks embark on a riveting exploration of the convoluted narratives surrounding the South Carolina primary, the tumultuous state of the GOP, the enigmatic campaign landscape in Michigan, Biden's political quagmires, Trumped-up allegations, and so much more!
01:01:3527/02/2024
Main Character Energy (with Steve Israel)

Main Character Energy (with Steve Israel)

This week Axe and Murphy were joined by former congressman and savant Steve Israel. The Hacks dissect the adventures of the world's most 'useful idiot' on his escapade to Russia, explore the sneaker culture at Sneaker Con (pun intended), draw insights from the NY-03 race and the Suozzi blueprint, delve into the realm of kitchen table issues, speculate on potential State of the Union topics, savor some nerd food, marvel at Tim Scott's miraculous flexibility in flipping his moral stances faster than a pancake, and pay homage to the late hero, Alexei Navalny. Remember, democracy isn't merely bestowed upon us; it's a continual project in which we must all actively participate.
57:2020/02/2024
Riding the Dragon (with Kasie Hunt)

Riding the Dragon (with Kasie Hunt)

This week Axe and Murphy were joined by CNN Anchor and Chief National Affairs Analyst, the brilliant Kasie Hunt! The Hacks discuss Biden’s age, his tumultuous press conference last week, falling into the orchestra pit, the new Michigan, immigration bill negotiations, Trump’s geopolitical antics, and so much more!
01:00:3914/02/2024
Cynicism on Steroids (with Jonathan Martin)

Cynicism on Steroids (with Jonathan Martin)

This week, Gibbs and Murphy were graced with the presence of Jonathan Martin, the senior political columnist for Politico and a Sublime Hackeroo. The trio delves into Nevada (pronunciation to be disputed), Nikki, four-digit numbers, Biden’s surrogate campaign, robot campaigns, five-alarm fires, desk chairs on the Titanic, Schoolhouse Rock, calculating double crazy, everything primary, everything polling, everything everywhere, all at once, and also so much more.
01:00:4507/02/2024
Under His Skin

Under His Skin

This week the Axe and Murphy were joined by Jonathan Karl, ABC News’s chief Washington correspondent and co-anchor of This Week with George Stephanopoulos. The Hacks delve into the intricacies of Nikki Haley's campaign, Trump's unpredictable nature, the unique dynamics of campaigning from courthouses, the importance of reasonableness, chess with irate chimpanzees, bone spurs, bingo bango bongo, and so much more.
58:3031/01/2024
It’s Not Over…?

It’s Not Over…?

This week, the Hacks gathered to delve into the results and implications of the New Hampshire primary, decoding their significance for the upcoming 2024 political landscape. In his usual fashion, Trump pivots his ire towards Nikki Haley. Biden’s campaign begins stepping up its game, preparing for another battle with Trump. And, most importantly, our beloved Mike Murphy has a special announcement!
52:3525/01/2024
The Shiniest Silver Medal

The Shiniest Silver Medal

Axe, Murphy, and Gibbs convene to discuss the aftermath of the Iowa Caucus. Murphy, our boots-on-the-ground maestro, serves up firsthand accounts from the caucus battlegrounds. While Axe and Gibbs dissect Biden’s messaging problem. The Hacks also discuss crow burgers, building momentum, the romance of politics, what’s cooking in the other early states, dancing bears, tiny knives, and cracked crystal balls. The Hacks also walk the political prediction plank when discussing New Hampshire.
50:3516/01/2024
Post Debate Hacknalysis (Another One!)

Post Debate Hacknalysis (Another One!)

This week our trio of seasoned hacks dives headfirst into the CNN debate, mourns Chris Christie's campaign exit, and anticipates the Iowa Caucus outcomes. The gloves are off as Nikki Haley and DeSantis enter a political brawl, while Trump's town hall takes center stage. Our hacks offer sharp insights on Iowa's weather, candidates' dance moves, and the political intricacies of the great states of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. Tune in for a whirlwind tour of the week's political rollercoaster, because when it comes to politics, laughter is the ultimate survival strategy.
55:2012/01/2024