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Join us for thought-provoking conversations that empower you to Earn and Invest wisely, shaping your future while making informed decisions today. Every Monday, our wide-ranging panel discussions explore various financial topics, fostering engaging conversations that challenge conventional wisdom and provide fresh perspectives. Then, on Thursdays, we delve into individual interviews, offering deep insights from experts who share their experiences and expertise. While we may not always uncover definitive answers, our goal is to equip you with the essential questions necessary to navigate a richer path towards not only financial independence but living a life full of purpose, identity, and connections.
235. The Case for Cohousing w/ Lauren Tang and Jennie Lindberg
Have you ever considered living in a community of people who share values similar to yours? Would you share common resources, community space? Lauren Tang heard about cohousing at the same time she discovered financial independence. She has joined Jennie Lindberg as part of the Sunnyside Village Cohousing community. Today we talk about their plans and how cohousing could become part of your financial independence or even early retirement plan.
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01:00:0209/08/2021
234. Are Annuities a Rip Off? w/Frank Vasquez
In this episode we discuss with Frank Vasquez from Risk Parity Radio the ins and outs of annuities. Are they ever a good deal? When should you buy them and what are the important factors to consider. This episode was recorded live on the Fireside Chat App.
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58:2705/08/2021
233. Estate Planning Made Easy w/ Amy Blacklock and Vicki Cook
Estate planning is one of the most feared personal finance topics today. And yet, it behooves us all to tackle this somewhat complex topic as early as the tender age of 18. We talk estate planning 101 with Vicki Cook and Amy Blacklock of Women Who Money.
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51:1702/08/2021
232. Building Your Field of Dreams: Marcello Leone and Cannabis Infused Beverages
Hey this is Doc G and welcome back to earn and invest. Today we are going to talk about entrepreneurship. Specifically…our guest graduated from University in a hasty 2.5 years to rush home and help his parents run their growing apparel industry. After nurturing that business for decades, his successful exit left him with the opportunity in his forties to go out for the first time on his own. In this episode we discuss what it takes to build a mineral and cannabis infused beverage empire.
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52:3029/07/2021
231. How Fintech Will Make You Rich w/ Joe Saul-Sehy, Rosetta Bryson, and Brendan Lee Young
Remember the days of drive up bank tellers and scowering the newspaper for stock quotes? The world has changed much since then. The burgeoning fintech market is making investing, banking, and even shopping for insurance easier than ever. But is it making things better? Are we more at risk for losing our wealth at the click of a button. Join Joe Saul-Sehy, Rosetta Bryson, and Brendan Lee Young as we discuss (Live on the fireside app) how fintech is changing our world.
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01:20:1826/07/2021
230. How Creativity Becomes Profitable w/ Savvy History
Hello everybody and welcome to the earn and invest podcast where we not only teach you how to earn and invest in your financial life, but also your unique meaning and purpose/ I’m your host Doc G and today we are going to explore making your first creative dollar with Michelle from the blog savvy history.
Now wait a minute. I’m certain that for some of you out there, money and creativity go hand in hand. But maybe even for the majority listening at the moment you might say: Hey, I’m in my forties or fifties and am looking to retire from my job as a doctor, lawyer, engineer…fill in the blank. What’s creativity got to do with it?
That’s how I felt. In fact, I was so busy building a career as a physician in my formative years that I continuously pushed down many of the creative outlets which I really enjoyed. I always spurned activities like writing and public speaking because I thought they were just hobbies. No one makes any money doing that! That’s why I became a doctor…to make a living.
Yet it was only after reaching financial security that I realized that I had filled my life with activities that lacked the true sense of meaning and purpose that I was looking for. And then I returned to these creative ventures.
Listen, we’re not just talking about creativity here. We are talking passion. The old advice used to be “follow your passion”. Now, all the gurus tell us “forget passion, go after what your good at and follow your passions in your spare time.”
And it’s not just you.
Maybe your past some of these decisions, but what about your kids? Do you support your daughter dropping her engineering major to pursue dance? Do you accept your eighth grader’s poor grades because he’s a guitar prodigy?
What do you do?
Michelle is the creator of the platform Savvy History which explores biographies using music and storytelling. Michelle specializes in taking true stories from the past and presenting them in an engaging way with folk music. The original music of Savvy History is one part of a larger project focused on creativity throughout history, distilling research into songs, classes, and written articles about inventors, artists, authors, entrepreneurs, and explorers. You can find her blog series entitled First Creative Dollar at Savvyhistory.com.
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59:1922/07/2021
229. Passive Income Evolved w/ Cody Berman, Justin Taylor, and Rachel Richards
In this episode we delve into how passive income has evolved in this post-COVID era.. We look back at three young people who started on passive income journeys pre pandemic and catch up with their current progress. Are they still happy with their choices? Featuring Cody Berman, Justin Taylor, and Rachel Richards.
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01:04:3219/07/2021
228. Design Your Life With Adventure w/ Heidi Dusek
Is adventure built into your life? Are you sleepwalking through a job you don't like and afraid to see the excitement and possibilities right in front of your face. Heidi Dusek is the creator of The Ordinary Sherpa Podcast where she talks about finding adventure and connection with her family.
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01:01:3915/07/2021
227. Is Real Estate Harder for Women? w/ Ming Mercer, Santana Perez, and Kavell Taylor
2020 and 2021 have been like no other years. Wedged between a pandemic, a bonafide recession, and unprecedented social upheaval, the average American (if such a thing exists) continues to struggle to make ends meet. Rising from this struggle like a phoenix, are small business people, entrepreneurs, and long-term stock market investors.
Turn on any new channel and you will hear about the social justice issues facing women and people of color. Unfair and inadequate policing, the glass ceiling, a lack of political representation. These are but a few sentences in a book that currently is too long to read here and indeed is still expanding.
Today we are going hear from three real estate investors. Women. People of color. Immigrants. And they are going to answer one simple question.
Kavell Taylor is a real estate investor with a portfolio currently valued at almost $10M. She also manages commercial and medical office buildings for a New Jersey-based developer.
Santana Perez is a real estate investor in her early 30s, pivoting from a career in energy trading and corporate finance. Santana spent 21 years in poverty and in the foster care system. She discovered the financial independence retire early community in 2018 and has been steadily accumulating properties, with plans to retire in her late 30s. She has single handedly built her real estate portfolio to 10 doors valued at $1.2M while raising her son as a working parent.
Ming began real estate investing in 2014 in her early 20s, then quit her W2 job in 2020 when her real estate income surpassed her family's expenses. With a portfolio valued at $2M, she now spends most of her time with her husband and two young children, plus works on her non-profit "Build Her Village," which empowers working women with knowledge. Ming also owns Alina Mae Maternity, a fashion brand providing pregnant women professional-looking comfortable clothing.
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01:05:5512/07/2021
226. Do You Trust Your Financial Advisor? w/ David Meyer
We all recognize the names: Dogecoin, Gamestop, Robinhood. For every long-term boring investment, there is a high risk speculative asset or platform just waiting to gobble up our spare money . When we think of individual investors, we have a rather laissez faire attitude. So be it.
But what happens when it is your advisor, broker, or investment house that is giving you bad advice. When does it cross the line from poor performance to deception and outright self-serving fraud? And more importantly, how do you protect yourself before it happens. And who do you turn to for help when all the money is gone!
David Meyer has been dubbed “The Screwed Investor’s Lawyer”. He has achieved jury verdicts, arbitration awards and settlements with a combined value of hundreds of millions of dollars on behalf of his clients. He had the honor of winning the largest jury verdict in Ohio's history, a verdict in excess of $260 million on behalf of 250 investors against Prudential Securities. His new book is The Investor Protector: Stories of Triumph over Financial Advisors Who Lie, Cheat, and Steal.
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54:4908/07/2021
225. Would You Be Happier Without a Home? w/ Bryce Leung and Kristy Shen
I couldn’t think of two more different stories:
In the recent award winning Nomadland: Fern (played by Frances McDormand) is grieving a life that’s been ripped away from her. When the gypsum plant in her Nevada hometowon closes, the town of Empire quite literally closes with it. In six months, its entire zip code is eliminated. Meanwhile, Fern’s husband dies, leaving her completely alone and “homeless.” Hitting the road in search of work as a seasonal employee at an Amazon center, Fern starts living in her van, eventually getting involved with a group of modern nomads, although she inevitably ends up alone again, traversing the American landscape.
In a completely different world, another set of nomads, Bryce Leung and Kristy Shen cofounders of the millennial revolution platform, decided that they no longer wanted to toil away at a stressful, hateful job for 30-40 years, to pay off a massive mortgage, only to die of a heart-attack at their desks or be laid off without a pension.
So instead of drowning in debt to buy a house in one of the most expensive cities in Canada, they rented and invested instead. For Them, Going against the status quo TOTALLY PAID OFF! They managed to build a 7-figure portfolio, which has allowed them to retire in their 30s and travel the world!
Two sets of nomads with completely different stories and motivations. Yet, are there similarities? Are there common threads that unite the story of what it means to be homeless in the ever shifting world of today.
Bryce Leung and Kristy Shen are the writers behind Millennial revolution, their most recent book is Quit like a millionaire: No gimmicks, luck, or trust fund required! Bryce and Kristy,
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01:15:5805/07/2021
224. 2020 Recap (Rewind) w/ Jean Chatzky and Tori Dunlap
For this rewind episode we are revisiting a two part interview. The first is jean Chatzky of Her Money discussing the 2020 recession and its impact on women. The second is with Tori Dunlap from Her First $100K discussing her first of many viral moments on TikTok.
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56:3101/07/2021
223. Is Frugality Your Achilles Heel (Rewind)? w/ Amanda Abella, Veena Jetti, and Brian Eufinger
In this rewind episode we ask the all important question: is frugality your Achilles heel? Specifically, are we not paying enough attention to the top line and trying to save our way to wealth? Brian Eufinger, Amanda Abella, And Veena Jetti join us to discuss the importance of making more money when it comes to your financial trajectory.
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58:0228/06/2021
222. Could You Get Into Hot Water over Intellectual Property? w/ Trevor Schmidt
Intellectual property is a category of property that includes intangible creations of the human mind. There are many types of IP such as copyrights, patents, trademarks, and trade secrets. The modern concept of intellectual property developed in Europe a few centuries ago, but in the late 20th century the concept became commonplace in the majority of the world's legal systems.
The main purpose of intellectual property law is to encourage and protect the creation of a large and healthy mass of intellectual goods. To achieve this, the law gives people and businesses property rights to the information and intellectual products they create.
But given the intangibility of ideas and the ability to use common elements to create similar outcomes, Intellectual property especially to the lay person is becoming more and more confusing.
Adding to this confusion is the digital revolution in which publications, articles, pictures, and even business ideas can be available at the touch of a button. Furthermore, social media has elevated us all to mini content producers punching out our blogs, Insta memes, and Facebook posts at an ever-increasing pace.
Surely if you are a founder or a budding entrepreneur, it behooves you to protect your own and be wary of other’s intellectual property. But what about you and me? The average, everyday Joe and Jane, clicking away in our ever favorite social media app?
Trevor Schmidt is a lawyer for Hutchinson Law who has extensive experience in matters associated with intellectual property prosecution, licensing, enforcement and strategic counseling. He effectively works with companies to monetize and protect their intellectual property through licensing, development, reseller agreements and associated contracts. Having managed domestic and international trademark portfolios for Fortune 500 companies, he has considerable experience in all stages of the life of a trademark including prosecution before the United States Patent and Trademark Office.
Trevor routinely provides counsel on the intellectual property issues associated with major transactions and advises clients on maximizing their intellectual property assets through enforcement and licensing strategies.
Trevor is also a registered patent attorney with a technical background in physics. He has drafted a number of mechanical-, business method- and software-related patent applications.
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55:5224/06/2021
221. Could You Become a Victim of Financial Abuse? w/ KItty from Bitches Get Riches and Diania Merriam
Welcome to the Earn & Invest podcast. We have the conversations that help you earn and invest in the future so you can make the right decisions today. I’m your host Doc G and for this episode we are going to talk about something rather difficult. Specifically, financial abuse against women.
Kitty was born in the American Midwest, but was voted off in season seventeen. Her wan complexion, intellectual elitism, and gay haircut are all way more welcome in New England, so she lives there now. She shares her life with her partner and twelve pets because she does. not. do. half. measures. She is co host and co creator of all things Bitches get riches including the blog and podcast. Kitty, welcome to the show!
Diania Merriam is an Ambitious marketing professional with a passion for building brand longevity through strategic licensing partnerships and brand extensions. She started the EconoMe conference as a passion project rooted in the FIRE movement (financial independence, retire early). The inaugural event happened on March 7th, 2020 at the University of Cincinnati with 9 expert speakers exploring the concept of a new American Dream. She is also the voice behind The Optimal Finance Daily Podcast.
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01:12:2021/06/2021
220. Escape Generational Trauma and Build Generational Wealth w/Natalie Torres-Haddad
2020 was a year of great social upheaval, protests, and even riots. Some of the worst that we have seen in decades. Many of us, however, remember when four police officers who had been videotaped beating motorist Rodney King were found not guilty of criminal acts in 1992, the city of Los Angeles erupted in what at the time was the worst rioting seen in the US since the 1960s. The loss of life and destruction of property left a significant scar on the city. By the time the riots ended, 63 people had been killed, 2,383 had been injured, more than 12,000 had been arrested, and estimates of property damage were over $1 billion. The Rodney King riots not only reduced taxable sales in the city immediately following the unrest, but has had a lasting impact on the economic performance of the city of Los Angeles.
A 2017 study showed the communities most affected by the L.A. Riots have seen little, if any, economic growth during the past two-and-a-half decades, In some neighborhoods, unemployment and poverty have worsened despite efforts by community leaders to boost economic development.
Natalie Torres-Haddad was born in El Salvador but was brought up in Inglewood California in the early nineteen nineties. At the age of ten, everything changed with the LA riots. She could no longer play outside, her parents put bars on her windows, restaurants and stores were looted and burnt down to the ground in her neighborhood. And she grew up wanting to do something about it. Accordingly, she went to college to learn about finances to help her community. She got a major in finance and international business but unfortunately she still didn’t understand the meaning of true financial literacy.
During her second year of grad school, burdened by student and credit card debt, a mortgage, and running a burgeoning nonprofit, she lost her job and suffered a severe bout of depression which culminated in a short stay in an acute psychiatric hospital. The moment of clarity she experienced shortly thereafter would ultimately change her trajectory and introduce her to the five steps that made her realize that everything would be ok.
Natalie Torres-Haddad is a two time TEDX Speaker, An international Award Winning Author of Financially Savvy in 20 Minutes, a bilingual podcast host, international keynote speaker and educator. She has been featured in the Huffington Post, LA Times, 60 second docs and a Honda commercial playing herself as a Financial Expert.
She now is a successful real estate investor and enjoys a career traveling across the country advocating for financial and women’s empowerment and teaching the foreign language of financial literacy.
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56:3917/06/2021
219. Can You Reverse Engineer Success? w/ Joe Saul-Sehy, Rich Jones, and Jen Smith
Let me start with Ron Friedman’s Forthcoming book: Decoding Greatness: How The best in the World Reverse Engineer Success.
Ron Starts the book with a story: and I’m going to quote it here. Ron says:
“By the time Steve Jobs finds out he’s been betrayed, it is already far too late. The press conference is over and the news is out. Slowly, it dawns on him: Apple’s head start is about to disappear. The year is 1983, and we are in Cupertino, California. The computer company Jobs cofounded is barely seven years old. Its rise has been meteoric. In a few short years, Wall Street will place its value at over a billion dollars. But now, just six short weeks from the release of Apple’s boldest innovation yet, the Macintosh, Jobs discovers he’s been scooped. The blow arrives from more than twenty-five hundred miles away, in the lavish ballroom of New York City’s famed Helmsley Palace hotel. Onstage, standing before a gaggle of reporters, Bill Gates has just announced Microsoft’s plans to develop a user-friendly operating system—one with more than a few striking similarities to the Macintosh.”
Gates was a vendor of Jobs the time. So inevitably, the next day, there is a face-to-face showdown. Friedman says… “Jobs wasted little time tearing into him. “You’re ripping us off!” he yelled, his underlings glaring, all eyes on Gates. “I trusted you, and now you’re stealing from us!” ”Gates took it in quietly. He paused a moment, not once looking away. Then, he casually delivered a devastating line, rendering the entire room speechless: “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox, and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
You see…”among Xerox PARC's countless inventions was a personal computer most people have never heard of: the Alto. It offered many of the same features that would come to distinguish the Macintosh, like graphics that made computers easier to use, and a mouse for communicating commands. Except the Alto was developed a full decade earlier.”
And both Gates and Jobs had reverse engineered their groundbreaking products from the alto.
Friedman goes on to say
“The practice of reverse engineering, of systematically taking things apart to explore their inner workings and extract new insights, is more than an intriguing feature of the tech industry. For a surprising number of innovators, it’s a tendency that appears to have emerged organically, as something of a natural inclination”
Today on Earn & invest we discuss reverse engineering and it’s role in creative and successful endeavors.
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55:4714/06/2021
218. From Sexy to Rockstar to All-Star: The Evolution of J Money
J Money is an acclaimed blogger and entrepreneur. In 2008, while searching for an apartment he landed himself a $350,000 house and a dyer need to learn how to budget. While searching online, he discovered the world of personal finance and started what would become a multi-award-winning blog Budgets are Sexy which followed his goal of accumulating a seven figure net worth. Along the way he launched and eventually sold Rockstar Finance a curation and community platform with over 5,000,000 views as well as started several philanthropic organizations, won 12 industry awards, and has helped buy or sell over a 100 financial blogs including many of his own. He has been featured in several media outlets including Forbes, Inc Magazine, The New York Times, LA Times, Kiplinger, Entrepreneur, and Business Insider.
In 2019, J sold Budgets are Sexy for an undisclosed amount in the mid 6 figure range in part to spend more time with family and in 2020 launched a curation site for The Motley Fool titled All Start Money.
He is also a husband and proud father of three boys.
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01:01:5310/06/2021
217. Doubleheader: (1) How Not to Put Your Family Value at Risk w/ JR Gondeck and Vanessa Martinez and (2) The Secret Financial Lives of Teenagers
According to JR Gondek and Vanessa Martinez, when we hear the word “wealth,” many of us think about money. But wealth is about so much more than that. All of the aspects of our lives that matter most to us―our family, our legacy, our community, the causes we care deeply about―contribute to our wealth and the richness of our life. Together, they compose our family value. If we are only managing our family’s money, however, our family value is at risk.
Current financial advice often focuses on returns and rarely puts those returns into the context of the unique goals, family history, and legacy that a person or multiple generations of a family are trying to achieve.
Plus, a fireside chat with my son Cameron G about the secret financial lives of teenagers.
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01:29:1607/06/2021
216. How to Manage Remote Work Like a Boss w/ Alexis Gerst
According to Alexis Gerst, Author of Leading Remote Teams: Embrace the future of remote work culture, We are cruising through uncharted waters.
What started as a brief two-week quarantine has turned into a years-long pandemic that has changed how we work and communicate forever.
She goes on to say that Remote work has become a crucial part of every business that wants to survive in this ever-changing reality. And it's up to the leaders to make working from home work for everyone involved.
Those who manage to adapt will thrive; those who struggle will be left behind.
When it comes to leading virtual teams, working remotely, and making sure that your team does not lose its identity, you, as a leader, have to be the first to adapt, inspire, and motivate.
While many feel that the edge of the pandemic is receding and vaccines are ensuring a return to something that feels more like normalcy, the question remains.
Is remote work here to stay? And just as importantly, are you prepared?
Alexis Gerst is a detail-oriented leader with a passion for remote work culture. As an Acquisition Program Manager, Alexis is experienced leading technical teams toward the procurement and sustainment of critical weapon systems. Alexis earned her Master of Business Administration with a concentration in Engineering Management from Southern New Hampshire University. She is a proactive problem-solver skilled at maximizing productivity through team collaboration, superior communication, and confident decision-making.
In Leading Remote Teams: Embrace the Future of Remote Work Culture, Alexis champions the future potential of remote work, explores the advantages of a workplace paradigm shift, and delivers tactical tips for remote leaders to enable team success.
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59:2203/06/2021
215. How to Become a Real Estate Rockstar Live From Camp Mustache
“Real estate investing is a wonderful tool. But the key to financial independence or any other worthwhile financial goal has nothing to do with real estate.” So says Chad “Coach” Carson in a July 2020 blog post on Bigger Pockets, a real estate investing platform which offers content, tools, and a community of over 2,000,000 members to help people avoid mistakes; learn valuable tips; find partners, deals, and financing and make the best investing decisions possible.
Chad goes on to say:
Instead, the basics of building wealth—whether that’s with real estate, stock investing, or starting a business—has three basic steps:
1. Save money
2. Invest the money wisely and
3. Harvest your wealth so that you can live off your investments
While it’s fun to talk about investing, and occasionally you’ll see content on harvesting and living off your investments, learning How to save money (which isn’t that sexy) is the first step and the key to achieving success with real estate or any other wealth-building path that you take.
Search any financial independence forum, blog, or podcast, however, and you’ll see that Real Estate is a hot topic that garners quite a bit of attention. But should it?
This year, at Camp Mustache, a yearly retreat dedicated to the teachings of Pete Adeney aka Mr. Money Mustache I was privileged to lead a panel discussion involving a group of real estate rock stars and tease out the role it plays in their financial independence journeys.
Kavell Taylor is a commercial and residential real estate investor with a portfolio currently valued at almost $10M. She also manages commercial and medical office buildings for a New Jersey-based developer.
Santana Perez is a real estate investor in her early 30s, pivoting from a career in energy trading and corporate finance. After growing up in the foster care system and spending 21 years in poverty, Santana discovered FIRE in 2018. Since then, she has single-handedly built a $1M real estate portfolio of 10 doors while raising her son as a single parent.
And Ming Mercer began real estate investing in 2014 in her early 20s, then quit her W2 job in 2020 when her real estate income surpassed her family's expenses. With a portfolio of $2M at age 29.
I present to you the Real Estate Rockstar Panel recorded live from Camp Mustache on Sunday April 18th 2021.
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01:02:1331/05/2021
214. How to Make Six Figures on Fiverr w/ Alexandra Fasulo
Edelman Intelligence recently conducted a research study for Upwork, a freelance-jobs platform in Santa Clara, Calif. It surveyed 6,000 working freelancers and employees between June 15 and July 7 of 2020. And they found that among other things:
59 million U.S. workers performed freelance work in the past 12 months, an increase of 2 million people year over year.
The composition of the freelance workforce is getting younger, as 50 percent of Generation Z , 44 percent of Millennials, 30 percent of Generation X , and 26 percent of Baby Boomers freelanced at some point in the past year.
The top two occupations for new freelancers are in technology and finance/business operations.
96 percent of new freelancers say they will do more freelancing in the future.
58 percent of workers who are not freelancers and are new to remote work due to the pandemic are now considering freelancing in the future.
Although we didn’t need a pandemic and social distancing to prove the importance that freelancing plays in our current economy, 2020 has brought to light much about this often talked of mechanism for making a living. Platforms such as Fiverr and Upwork have created a thriving digital and remote freelance environment in which many are either making a full time living or at least fulfilling their side hustle needs.
The question remains….Is this the wave of the future or just a fad? And more importantly, can you really make a living doing full time freelance?
In 2015, Alexandra Fasulo (aka the freelance fairy) quit her lofty NYC public relations job after working for just 4-weeks. She had no plan, no money, and no idea what would come next. She just knew she couldn’t work for a company any more.
What she soon realized is that quitting that job was the best thing she could ever do. It thrust her into the world of freelancing on Fiverr.com, where she is a 6-figure freelance writer, and freelancing personality on podcasts, talk shows, and blogs around the world.
In this broad ranging interview, we talk about how she stumbled into freelancing, the types of jobs she has found most lucrative, and address some of the hate she has received from going public with her success.
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01:00:4427/05/2021
213. Has FIRE Evolved w/ JL Collins, Brad Barrett, and Jillian Johnsrud
No one knows when the financial independence retire early or FIRE movement actually started. Some say it was with the publication of Vicki Robins book Your Money Or Your Life in 1992. Others point to Jacob Lund-Fisker's blog Early retirement Extreme in 2010 or the advent of Mr. Money Mustache in 2011. Either way, mainstream media discovered the movement in 2018 and the community and philosophy have grown quite a bit in just the last three years. Or have they? Today on Earn and Invest we ask a simple question. Has the FIRE Movement evolved? Our panelists for the most part discovered financial independence in the early 2000’s and have collectively reached millions of listeners and readers.
JL Collins is widely known as the Godfather of the financial independence movement and wrote the ever popular and best selling book The simple path to wealth. He blogs at jlcollinsnh where his stock series has been credited as one of the best resources for new investors. Brad Barrett is a recovering certified public accountant as well as the calm and cool voice of arguably the most listened to fire podcast out there, ChooseFI. And Jillian Johnsrud paid off all our debt, traveled to 27 counties, lived abroad for 4 years, and took 5 mini-retirements, all while bringing up 6 kids. She is a progress coach and the host and creator of the Everyday Courage Podcast.
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01:12:5524/05/2021
212. From Working Shoulder to Shoulder With The Likes of Elon Musk to Pickpocketing Them w/ Dan Chan
Our guest today, Dan Chan, is an internationally renowned, award-winning magician & mind-reader. In 2016 Buzzfeed profiled Dan with an article titled “Meet Silicon Valley's Favorite Magician.” Since then, Dan has performed for many of the world's largest corporations worldwide. In November of 2020, he was featured in Business Insider as the Billionaires magician.
His client list reads like a who's who of Silicon valley including Google, Apple. Facebook, intel, and oracle. But magic wasn’t always at the forefront of Dan’s career. Before he was a full-time magician, he was a pre-IPO employee at PayPal where he crossed paths with the likes of Elon Musk and many of the soon to be founders of Silicon Valleys most promising start ups. He had only vested 13 months of his stock options when he decided to give up the remaining 3/4 to pursue performing magic full time. Since then he has performed over 5000 plus shows for many of the most recognizable companies in the world. Dan has an insatiable drive to become what he calls “legendary” which has spurred him into many money making and experiential adventures including working in Michelin rated restaurants, and, of all things, day trading.
In the first part of the interview we discuss his career trajectory, what he has learned from performing magic for high flying tech companies, and his pivot to creating in a virtual world.
The conversation continues in the after show where we unexpectedly dive into a controversial conversation of what it means to have “enough” and when he will be content with his career goals.
Don’t forget to listen to the very end.
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01:07:0120/05/2021
211. How to get a $230K MBA for Free w/ Alan Donegan and Simon Paine
MIT (Sloan)
$237,636
UCLA (Anderson)
$220,112
Michigan (Ross)
$193,720
UC-Berkeley (Haas)
$203,068
Dartmouth (Tuck)
$230,080
These are the 2019 estimated total costs of completing a masters of business administration at the above noted institutions. As expensive as this sounds, an MBA continues to be a reliable magnifier of salary potential. According to a 2018 survey by the Graduate Management Admission Council, 2016 and 2017 grads saw their post-MBA salaries rise by a median of $40,000. Among respondents surveyed, 82% agreed that B-school increased their earning power.
But is it worth it? While no one would argue that the next CEO of a billion dollar multinational company is well served by these two expensive years of education, the grand majority of us have much less lofty aspirations.
Maybe we want to start our own small business venture. Create a product or render a service. Free ourselves from the constraints of employment and control our own destinies. Live the great American dream. What sort of education will serve us best?
When Alan Donegan went to a traditional business support service To get help with his business idea the experience was so off putting that he almost gave up. Alan’s three-page letter of complaint landed on the desk of Simon Paine who met Alan for coffee for what was to become the beginning of a movement to democratise entrepreneurship. What Simon predicted was to be the worst meeting of the year turned out to be the best meeting of the decade as they swapped ideas, knowledge and opportunities.
Simon had been coaching grassroots start-ups in disadvantaged communities across the south-east and knew that business plans didn’t help anyone. Alan knew that the only way to know if a business idea was going to work was to sell. They decided right then and there to work together to provide a solution.
And Thus, the Rebel Business School was born
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01:16:0517/05/2021
210. How to be a Home Buying Superstar w/ Scott Trench and Mindy Jensen
It has been more than a year since the pandemic put the housing market briefly on pause for several months last spring. But real estate bounced back rather quickly. For more than 12 months now, low mortgage rates and the popularity of virtual work ignited by the pandemic have fueled a rapid increase in housing demand — espicially in lower-density suburbs. Despite uncertain economic times, there has been a booming residential housing market.
More existing homes were sold in 2020 than in any year since 2006. Many seasoned veterans are curious to know how long will this boom last or will it eventually come crashing down like in 2008? So far, the housing market continues to be sizzling hot resulting in higher home prices and bidding wars for newly listed residences. The Federal Reserve is playing a key role to support the economy and housing market by keeping borrowing costs low for shorter-term loans.
Amongst this chaos is the new home buyer. Less interested in the historic market and more excited to take their very first plunge into homeownership, the challenges to secure the right home, at the right price, in the right location is as daunting as ever.
Scott Trench is the CEO and President of BiggerPockets. He has dedicated his career to helping ordinary Americans build wealth in part through real estate investing. Since joining BiggerPockets in 2014, Scott has authored the bestselling wealth-building book Set for Life and joined Mindy Jensen as co-host of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast.
Mindy Jensen has been buying and selling houses for almost 20 years, both as an investor and as a real estate agent. She LOVES real estate and is most passionate about taking an outdated house and turning it into a beautiful, modern home. Mindy is the Community Manager for BiggerPockets.com, and the co-host of The BiggerPockets Money Podcast.
Scott and Mindy’s book First Time Homebuyer: The Complete Playbook to Avoiding Rookie Mistakes hit the shelves last month.
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01:01:0413/05/2021
209. Think Like a Mother w/ My Mom
There are 2 billion mothers in the world today of which 85.4 million of them are in the U.S.. 4.3 babies are born each second. Notably, A sizable minority of children in rich countries live with just one parent — a parent who is likely to be female, and also likely to be working.
Speak to virtually any successful human being, and they will likely credit at least some of their good fortune to their mother’s tutelage.
I was one of the sizeable minority of children who grew up with just one parent. When I was eight years old, my father died suddenly of a cerebral aneurysm leaving behind his wife and three young children.
My mother, at the time a house wife and formerly trained as a chemist, fortuitously was 6 months from graduating from a prestigious business school and quickly secured a position at a big corporate accounting firm.
By my own recollections, my childhood was lacking in nothing. Logically, I know that after my father died that times were tough. But, those early memories of my mother as a stay at home mom and then widow were quickly replaced by those of the accountant, landlord, investor, and entrepreneur that she became.
And somewhere during all the tumult and turmoil of childhood, she managed to pass on to us children a sense of security and values that continue to guide us in our journeys today as husbands, fathers, and financially successful adults.
Today I introduce you to my mother Harriet. She graduated college from the university of Michigan and eventually earned a masters degree in organic chemistry. After marrying my father, she left her PhD program to follow him to Thailand after he was drafted into the the Vietnam war and she taught highschool at the international school of Bangkock. She was a few months away from finishing her MBA at the Kellog School of Business when my father unexpectedly died. Left with three children and no immediate source of income she moved effortlessly to corporate America on the path to eventually running a business of her own. Furthermore, she became a savvy stock market investor, landlord, and successful entrepreneur.
She also taught me almost everything of value that I know.
Today I invite my mother on the show to discuss growing up with immigrant parents, her early money lessons, career, and the joys of grandparenting.
Happy Mother’s day….today on Earn & Invest
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57:2510/05/2021
208. How to Become an Impactful Investor w/ Eva Yazhari
There was a time when investing was considered the domain of money and concerns of societal good and politics often inhabited very different spaces in our mind. Sure, ESG (environmental, societal, and governance) investments have been around for decades but the choices available and the general performance was poor. They hadn’t really gained much traction until recently.
Enter 2021. The proliferation of ESG funds which have outperformed the market run by large and respectable brokerage firms has expanded greatly. The pandemic, associated recession, and social turmoil are upon us. And a new generation of millennial and gen z investors are coming of age who value not just the returns your money can make, but the good your money can do.
In this broad ranging interview Eva Yazhari and I discuss her new book, The Good Your Money Can Do: Becoming a Conscious Investor. We talk about what types of asset allocations have the most impact, ESG investing, and how to be intentional not only with your money but also with your actions.
Plus, I continue the conversation with Joe Saul-Sehy of The Stacking Benjamin’s Podcast on ESG investing with a clip from our live recording on Fireside.
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01:15:1406/05/2021
207. How to Fail Retirement at Any Age w/ Senator Ted Kaufman and Bruce Hiland
Welcome back, today on Earn & Invest we discuss life after retirement. Search Amazon or any best seller list and you’re likely to find a number of books regarding the financials behind leaving the workplace. In fact, Americans are retiring in their mid-sixties and can look forward to enjoying as much as a three decades outside the structured work force. Up to now, affordability has been at the forefront of the conversation.
With their new book, Retiring:Your Next Chapter is About Much More Than Money, Former senator Ted Kaufman and Business consultant Bruce Hiland draw our attention to an oft forgotten aspect about the ending of our formal careers.
Ted Kaufman is the former U.S. Senator from Delaware succeeding Senator Joseph Biden. Ted was Biden’s Chief of Staff for nineteen years and led his presidential transition planning in 2020. He taught at Duke Law School for twenty-six years.
Bruce Hiland’s career included working for global consulting firm McKinsey, more than four years as Chief Administrative Officer at Time Inc., twenty years of independent consulting, and four startups.
When Bruce and Ted both reached retirement, they realized that instead of slowing down, people are leaving their jobs feeling ready to take on the world. They’re financially independent, active, and capable.... And then, suddenly, they have nothing to do.
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58:4003/05/2021
206. "Adversity was my X Factor" w/ Carlos Reyes
Today on Earn and Invest we talk about the American dream. With the current social upheaval and call for not only equality but equity, there is much talk of what it takes to be successful in our country in a post pandemic world. The gap between the rich and poor is ever growing, yet there are still those who come to this country in search of the American dream. With little but the clothes on their backs and the nourishment in their bellies, they claw their way out of abject poverty and build a life of wealth and abundance. In this far ranging interview, we discuss with Carlos Reyes the trials and tribulations surrounding his journey onto American soil, How poverty became his so called “x Factor”, and how to bring up successful kids in the absence of adversity.
Carlos Reyes was smuggled twice into the US and abandoned when he was a boy to escape severe poverty and abuse. He created a door-to-door sales business at age 5 and applied the lessons he learned from surviving the streets to create 27 companies in multiple industries including medical, solar, software, education and real estate with 7 of his businesses grossing millions of dollars a year.
Today he’s on a mission to liberate and heal others from their own limited beliefs.
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52:0929/04/2021
205. What These Three Documentarians Can Teach You About Selling Yourself w/ Travis Shakespeare, Robyn Symon, and Adam Carroll
What can a documentarian teach you about selling yourself and the role of money in your life? Find out from Travis Shakespeare, Robyn Symon, and Adam Carroll as they discuss the making of their films and documentary making in general. Plus a community segment about taxing dividends.
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01:03:5026/04/2021
204. How to Raise Money Savvy Kids (Rewind) w/ Community Members Juan, Deleanor, and Shannah
In this rewind episode we talk with various community members about their childhood and how to bring up financially savvy kids. Should you teach your kids about financial independence? Can you help them avoid the big mistakes?
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54:1422/04/2021
203. You Can Avoid Burnout w/The Happy Philosopher, I Dream of FIRE, Melisa Blevins, and Bill Yount
This rewind episode is all about burnout. We discuss this difficult topic with The Happy Philosopher, I Dream of FIRE, Melissa Blevins, and Bill Yount. You can avoid burnout. You just need to know how! And surprisingly, financial independence is not the answer.
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59:5419/04/2021
202. Get a Debt Free Degree and Live a Debt Free Life (Doubleheader) w/ Anthony ONeal and Naseema McElroy
This is doubleheader day on Earn & Invest. First, Anthony ONeal and I discuss his book Debt Free Degree and why not to go into debt to get an education. Then, Naseema McElroy and I talk about how to live a debt free life. How and when we should pay off our loans.
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01:11:3215/04/2021
201. This Conference Will Change Your Life w/Joe Goldberg and Kristin Hoeflin
Have you ever heard of Camp Mustache? If not, you're in for a treat today. Joe Goldberg and Kristin Hoeflin are co creators of this life changing get together. We discuss the impact of Mr. Money Mustache and how he has changed our views of early retirement.
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55:2312/04/2021
200. Forget Cannabis, Could Psychedelics Be The Answer? w/ Lynn Marie Morski
The popularity of cannabis as both an investment and recreational drug has skyrocketed since legalization. On todays show, I talk to Lynn Marie Morski of The Plant Medicine Podcast about psychedelic drugs and their clinical uses. They may be less dangerous than you think!
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01:01:0108/04/2021
199. Is Real Estate COVID Proof w/ Rich Carey and Jennifer Beadles
How did your real estate hold up during the COVID pandemic? Did your property increase or decrease in value? Did you have trouble as a landlord? Rich Carey and Jennifer Beadles discuss how they managed their real estate holdings over the last year, and predict the long term effects of the pandemic on this tried and true asset class.
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01:00:2905/04/2021
198. Get Good With Money W/ Tiffany Aliche The Budgetnista
Tiffany Aliche, aka The Budgetnista, has written a new book about how to get good with money and be financially whole. We talk about her ten steps to get your finances in order. Plus, a short segment from my interview with Heidi Dusek of Ordinary Sherpa.
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01:00:5801/04/2021
197. Make Money More Funny w/ Paul Ollinger, Diania Merriam, and Amin Lakhani (Explicit)
Have you ever though of being a comedian? Paul Ollinger, Diania Merriam, and Amin Lakhani explore the role of comedy in their lives and why pursue such a difficult conquest. Is there any connection to finance? Plus, are you an Earner or Investor? Check out our community segment.
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01:03:0329/03/2021
196. The Key to Turning an Idea into a Business w/ Mike McDerment
Mike McDerment is the founder and creator of Freshbooks, an online accounting platform. We discuss how you go from having a good idea to building a business. He recounts what he has learned over two decades of entrepreneurship. Plus, are you an Earner or an Investor? Find out in our community segment.
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55:2225/03/2021
195. Freedom! When to Say Goodbye to the 9 to 5 w/ Andy and Nicole Hill and Jen Smith
How do you know when it's time to leave the 9 to 5? Andy and Nicole Hill and Jen Smith talk to us about their freelance experience as well as owning their own businesses. They explain the ups and downs as well as the very real risks of leaving more stable forms of employment. Plus, a community segment. Are you an Earner or Investor?
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01:01:5322/03/2021
194. Bouncing Back When Life Throws You a Curveball w/ Nicole Mayer
Nicole Mayer is an advisor at Second Opinion Partners. After her experiences with a major health scare as well as a divorce, she realized that financial advising has to do with a lot more than just money. She shares her story as well as her wisdom. Plus, are you an Earner or Investor? Stick around to the end to hear our community segment.
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59:3618/03/2021
193. Why Where You Bank Matters w/ Gigi Hyland and Mike Schenk
Today we talk credit unions with Gigi Hyland and Mike Schenk and how they are different from other traditional banking establishments. Have you considered a credit union? Why not? Plus a new segment from the community. Are you an Earner or Investor?
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01:00:0115/03/2021
192. This Dating Coach Will Change Your Financial Future w/ Amin Lakhani
I talk with Amin Lakhani, The Dating Coach on Wheels, about dating, comedy, and financial independence. We discuss the challenges he faces because of his disability and how he has overcome them.
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01:00:4011/03/2021
191. Rethinking Your Real Estate Strategy: How One Couple Cut Out The Brokers and Middlemen w/ Steven Butala and Jill Dewit
For so long, I have been enamored with the idea of buying and selling land, but didn't know how. Today we discuss land flipping with Jill Dewit and Steven Butala from Land Academy. Plus, a second segment with Adam Carroll about funding college.
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01:03:2108/03/2021
190. How to Make Money in 2021: Cannabis and Small Business w/ Codie Sanchez
We talk with Codie Sanchez the managing director of Entourage Effect Capital, a private equity firm focused specifically on investing in the legalized cannabis industry, about how to make money in 2021. Her answer may surprise you!
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59:4304/03/2021
189. Celebrating Women's History Month w/ Amanda Holden, Angela Rozmyn, Lauren Boland, and Ericka Young
We celebrate Women's history month with Amanda Holden, Angela Rozmyn, Lauren Boland, and Ericka Young. We dive into politics, elections, COVID, and the recession. We highlight the highs and lows of the last two years.
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01:27:5901/03/2021
188. He Funded College and Medical School With Crypto, Should You? w/ Kayee Tong
Kayee Tong has made more money with crypto than most. In fact, he used it to pay for college and medical school. Join us for a next level discussion of cryptocurrencies and not only their use but also the way people make money off them. Plus, I close with a story about my speculative run at baseball cards as a kid.
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58:1625/02/2021
187. Doc G Interviews His Siblings About Money and Growing Up
Doc G invites his siblings on to talk about money and growing up. Do siblings perceive their financial upbringing in the same way? We discuss frugality, careers, and financial independence. Learn some of the backstory on how Doc G came to have the financial habits he now has.
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01:05:0822/02/2021
186. He Lost $50 Million and Thrived w/ Rod Khleif
Can you imagine losing $50 million? Rod Khleif watched his world shatter in the real estate bubble of 2008. Listen to this engaging episode where he describes how someone recovers from such a failure. Plus, a clip from my episode of The New Man Podcast with Tripp Lanier.
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01:01:4318/02/2021