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Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman
A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.
Total 46 episodes
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46: Design for Developers with Nate Butler
What does it really mean to design for developers? Should you cater to power users or beginners? Anthony, Katie and Nate discuss this (and more) with lots of spicy takes and speculation. Nate Butler: https://nate.cv/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
59:56
24/11/2024
45: Constraints
What are the different kinds of constraints and how do they impact design? Anthony and Katie break it down into several types of constraints including: arbitrary, technical, principled, and convenient. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
43:36
10/11/2024
44: How to be a more strategic designer with Jared Spool
Jared Spool joins Anthony and Katie to discuss what it means to be a strategic designer. We cover what strategy means, different leadership styles, and the difference between outcomes vs outputs. Find Jared Spool on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmspool/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
58:27
27/10/2024
43: Design for Customization
What's the difference between customization and personalization in interface design? Anthony and Katie discuss this along with the benefits/downsides of designing for customization. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
40:51
13/10/2024
42: Performative Good Design
It's a ranty one folks. What is performative design, and why does it exist? Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
45:08
22/09/2024
41: Elegance vs. Extravagance
Anthony shares a quote to define elegance vs. extravagance as "do a lot with a little vs. a lot with a lot". Katie and Anthony discuss how this relates to interface design and the impact it has on interaction design and product longevity. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
43:47
08/09/2024
40: Should Designers Code?
How might designers learning how to code impact interface design? Enjoy this extremely reasonable conversation between Katie and Anthony. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
42:58
25/08/2024
39: Possible Futures for AI in Interface Design with Maggie Appleton
Anthony, Katie and special guest Maggie Appleton speculate about how AI could impact interface design in the future. The five possible futures we discussed: AI replaces designers and developers completely AI produces a rough draft, a designer “tidies it up” AI builds the interface out of supplied components and a description of how the interface works AI produces content/components on demand, designers change it to suit, then put the interface together Designers ask AI focused questions to get inspiration You can find Maggie on Twitter or on the web at https://maggieappleton.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
56:27
11/08/2024
38: Visual Design in Design Systems with Jeremy Elder
Anthony, Katie and special guest Jeremy Elder chat about the visual design aspect of design systems. Find Jeremy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyelder GitLab's papercuts site: https://papercuts.gitlab.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
56:27
28/07/2024
37: Good Interface Design Habits
Anthony and Katie share their top habits for good interface design. Design inspiration site Anthony mentioned: https://mobbin.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
42:34
14/07/2024
36: Interfaces are Affected by What People Care About
Anthony and Katie chat about the people behind interfaces, and how competing priorities impact the end result of interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
46:53
16/06/2024
35: Form Design with Adam Silver
Anthony, Katie and special guest Adam Silver discuss all things form design. We try to define form design (for Anthony's sake), and discuss things like toggle switches, good/bad form experiences, and border color contrast. Find Adam on Twitter: https://twitter.com/adamsilverhq Adam's book on form design: https://formdesignpatterns.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
56:56
02/06/2024
34: How Design Systems Impact Interface Design with Donnie D'Amato
This week we're joined by Donnie D'Amato to discuss how design systems have impacted interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
52:05
19/05/2024
33: How Interfaces Evolve Over Time
Anthony and Katie discuss how interface design evolves over time. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
41:34
05/05/2024
32: Thoughts on "Just Enough Design" by Taku Satoh
Anthony and Katie discuss "Just Enough Design" by Taku Satoh. Spoiler: we like it. Anthony's recommended short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
36:22
21/04/2024
31: Interface Personality vs Usability
Anthony and Katie discuss how to safely add personality to an interface without sacrificing usability. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
38:04
07/04/2024
30: How Important is Feedback?
Anthony and Katie discuss design feedback: how important it is, bad vs. good feedback, and the difference between harsh and direct feedback. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
35:04
24/03/2024
29: Interface Design Roles
Anthony and Katie discuss different roles and responsibilities related to interface design, sharing their preferred combinations. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
33:40
10/03/2024
28: Design Quotes
Anthony and Katie analyze two quotes related to design. Anthony's quote from Frank Chimero: https://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/what-screens-want/ Katie's quote from PJ Onori: https://pjonori.blog/posts/analysis-of-style/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
33:12
25/02/2024
27: Finish This Sentence: Celebrating One Year of Complementary
Anthony and Katie celebrate one year of producing this podcast with a game: finish this sentence. Each person prepared sentences for the other to finish, all related to design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
44:32
11/02/2024
26: Things We're Good At
In contrast with episode 25, Anthony and Katie discuss things they are good at when it comes to interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
42:03
28/01/2024
25: Things We're Not Good At
Anthony and Katie share some things they're not good at when it comes to interface design. There are plenty of benefits to being aware of your own weaknesses, and learning to talk about them openly can help lead you towards improvement and/or acceptance. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
38:02
14/01/2024
24: Hot Takes
Katie reacts to Anthony's "hot takes" to wrap up 2023.
41:03
31/12/2023
23: Landing Page Style vs Application Style
Anthony and Katie discuss landing page visual style compared to application visual style, crossover between brand and utility, and whether or not a single designer can do both styles. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
41:20
17/12/2023
22: What Is Uniquely Human about Design?
Anthony and Katie discuss AI and what is uniquely human about design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
44:18
03/12/2023
21: Wireframing
Anthony and Katie attempt to define wireframing, and discuss why or why not you might want to use them. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
34:46
12/11/2023
20: Thoughtful Interface Design
Anthony and Katie discuss what makes interface design "thoughtful", including some specific things to keep in mind as a designer.
36:52
29/10/2023
19: Interface Design Misconceptions
Anthony and Katie discuss commonly misused terminology, hot takes for the algorithm, and focusing on the approach instead of the reason.
38:26
15/10/2023
18: Predicting the Future of Interface Design
Anthony and Katie chat about futuristic interface design and make some *fun* predictions. Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
32:56
01/10/2023
17: Where "Novel" Design Comes From
Anthony and Katie discuss what makes design feel "novel" and some strategies to achieve it. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
36:17
17/09/2023
16: Layout
Anthony and Katie discuss layout. Take our poll on main content alignment with a sidebar: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign/status/1698041067914801515?s=20 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
52:42
03/09/2023
15: Color with Lukas Oppermann
Anthony, Katie and special guest Lukas Oppermann discuss color. Check out Lukas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lukasoppermann. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
54:43
20/08/2023
14: Typography
Anthony and Katie discuss the various properties that make up typography. Links mentioned: https://designregression.com/article/line-length-revisited-following-the-research https://abookapart.com/products/on-web-typography Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
01:01:29
06/08/2023
13: Looks Pretty vs. Works Good
Anthony and Katie discuss a listener topic around "looks pretty vs. works good". Books mentioned: Form Design Patterns, Adam Silver Designing Interactions, Bill Moggridge Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
43:19
24/07/2023
12: Coherent Interface Design
Anthony and Katie discuss the term “coherent” as it relates to interface design (after a bit of banter). Figma Config talks mentioned: Ashley Seto: Using color at scale for aesthetics and accessibility Duolingo: Embracing art to enhance your product CSS talk: The future of responsive design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
52:17
10/07/2023
11: The Value of Visual Design to your Career
Anthony and Katie discuss why visual design is valuable for your career as a designer. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
44:30
25/06/2023
10: Taking Interaction Design from Good to Great
Anthony and Katie discuss what takes interaction design from good to great. Things look like they act and act like they look Useful animation Physical/spatial consistency Speed and responsiveness Fiddle factor Context awareness Links: WWDC talk on fluid interfaces Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
50:27
18/06/2023
09: Pace Layering
Anthony and Katie discuss pace layering, design systems and AI. Articles mentioned: Nathan Curtis: Design System UI is More Expensive than a Product Team's UI Mark Boulton: The Fast and Slow of Design Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
45:05
04/06/2023
08: Conveying Good Taste in a Design Portfolio
Anthony and Katie discuss design portfolios, case studies, and networking. Links mentioned: Original tweet Button design walkthrough Anthony's website Checkbox design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
42:34
14/05/2023
07: The Three Pillars of Visual Design: Typography, Layout, and Color
Anthony and Katie discuss what makes typography, layout and color the three pillars of visual design. Links mentioned: Non Designers Design Book Grid systems Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
40:02
07/05/2023
06: Design Systems
Anthony and Katie discuss design systems. Topics covered: How to define the term “design system” Design tokens Naming things and ordinal scales Breaking out of a design system Links mentioned: https://gk3fyi.substack.com/p/the-cost-of-craft
46:30
09/04/2023
05: Improving Your Visual Design Skills
In this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss how to improve your visual design skills. Topics covered: Tacit vs. explicit knowledge Systematic approaches to learning patterns Caring about design details How quality in impacts quality out Visual design inspiration links: https://www.lapa.ninja/ https://land-book.com/ https://godly.website/ https://saaslandingpage.com/ https://www.siteinspire.com/ https://twitter.com/awesome_saas https://twitter.com/saasshots Other links mentioned: https://open-props.style/
34:54
02/04/2023
04: Accessibility
In this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss accessibility for interface design. Heads up that there's a slight audio quality change about halfway through. Topics covered: Incorporating accessibility into your design process Evaluating a design for accessibility issues How design systems impact the designer’s role in crafting accessible interfaces Designing with constraints Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
43:28
19/03/2023
03: Skeuomorphism
In this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss skeuomorphism. Topics covered: How we define skeuomorphism The rise and fall of design trends Applying realism and visual richness to flat design How design systems might handle embellishments vs. flat design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
34:34
04/03/2023
02: Beauty
In this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss beauty. Topics covered: Universal beauty Classical vs. expressive aesthetics Practical applications of beauty The societal impact of beautiful interfaces Relying on classical beauty techniques when expressive design is out of reach
37:22
18/02/2023
Pilot: Taste
In this pilot episode, Anthony and Katie discuss taste as it relates to visual design. Topics covered: Defining taste Are you born with good taste, and can it be learned? Why taste is important for designers References: Brie Wolfson: Notes on "Taste" Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
38:46
12/02/2023