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The Official Podcast of Bourbon! The best in news, reviews and interviews with people making the bourbon whiskey industry happen. Join hosts Kenny Coleman, Ryan Cecil, and Fred Minnick as they talk with prominent guests and provide insight on American whiskey 3 times a week. Catch all new episodes every Thursday with special Whiskey Quickie reviews on Tuesday and get caught up on bourbon news with This Week in Bourbon on Friday.
Whiskey Quickie: Smooth Ambler Old Scout Bourbon Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Smooth Ambler Old Scout Bourbon. This 5 year old bourbon comes in at 99 proof and a $45 MSRP. Let us know what you think. Cheers!
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4908/10/2019
221 - Blending, Finishing, and Sourcing with Joe Beatrice and Tripp Stimson of Barrell Bourbon
Today is all about Barrell Bourbon. We had Joe and Tripp back on Episode 164, but it’s time we get an update on what’s happening with this team. We talk more about the flavors they are pulling from different states of distillation and how that goes into the blend as well as hearing about their newest release of the American Vatted Malt Whiskey. We then talk about some gripes with the TTB, take another stab at online sales, and then look to the future with new dovetail offerings while potentially phasing out other products.
Show Notes:
Bourbon Warehouse made out of shipping containers: https://www.wdrb.com/news/wdrb-video/bourbon-warehouse-made-of-shipping-containers-planned-in-j-town/video_100e2934-e0ca-5335-a956-83f9d9a9150a.html
Bourbon Pursuit Yelp Collection: https://www.yelp.com/collection/Si779eiZUmjGomZP2pZLTg
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about barrel proof bourbon.
What's new with Barrell?
Tripp, what is your role?
Do you taste every barrel?
What flavors are you looking for?
Do you think every batch is significantly different?
How many barrels does it take to get the right flavor?
Tell us about Batch 18.
What is your ratio of barrels from each state?
What notes do you pull from KY, IN, TN
barrels?
Where do you get the barrels?
What makes up an American malt whiskey?
Is the TTB creating new categories for you?
How do you decide what to blend?
Why do producers have non-disclosure agreements?
How many employees work at Barrell Craft Spirits?
Did you envision this growth?
What challenges have you faced?
Are distributors knocking on the door for the next batch?
Any plans for Barrell Vodka?
Are you pro online sales?
What's next?
Is it hard to make a new label for every product?
Any plans to phase any products out?
Is sourcing rum similar to bourbon?
Why rum?
What do you think is the next it category?
Have you considered using armagnac?
Tell us about Dovetail 3.
What's the difference between finishing and aging?
How much product is left in the finishing barrels?
What are you passionate about?
Any plans to distill your own product instead of sourcing?
01:17:5603/10/2019
Whiskey Quickie: 2019 Buffalo Trace Antique Collection Review
On this special edition of Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review the Buffalo Trace Antique Collection in five 60 second reviews. The collection includes: Sazerac Rye 18 Year, Eagle Rare 17 Year, George T. Stagg, Thomas H. Handy, and William Larue Weller. Each bottle has a suggested retail price of $99. Which is going to be our favorite this year? Watch and find out. Cheers!
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
07:4501/10/2019
220 - The Van Winkle Family and Bourbon Community Roundtable #37
This episode is a twofer. You get the Van Winkle Family and the Bourbon Community Roundtable all in one which took place at Bourbon & Beyond 2019. Julian gives history about the brand and the timeline of when it became a part of the Sazerac portfolio. One of Julian’s daughters talks about the emergence of Pappy & Co and how she is more of a tequila person and never really gets to drink any of the family bourbon. Preston talks about their involvement with crack down of the secondary market groups as a counterfeiting measurement. Fred keeps lots of good questions rolling along that you all will find interesting. The 2nd half of the podcast is a live recording of the bourbon community roundtable as we share thoughts on the festival, the news that broke the evening prior, and what we recommend for those who can’t get Pappy. There’s almost too much going on, but it’s timely and full of good info you all will enjoy.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Bourbon and Beyond.
What was it like when your dad was trying to sell whiskey when no one was interested?
Did you ever sneak in and steal some whiskey from your dad?
What was it like for bourbon in the 1980s?
How did you barter with whiskey?
Were you ever worried that you would have to close the company?
When you were a child, did you feel the stress your dad was experiencing?
Tell us about the moment you realized you wouldn't have to shut down.
What was the thinking behind partnering with Buffalo Trace?
What do you think about your haters?
What is the relationship with Buffalo Trace like?
Does Preston have the same palette as Julian?
What's your favorite expression?
Is it ok to drink Pappy 23 with coke?
What does the future look like for the brand?
Do you plan on increasing the price?
What steps have you taken to curb the secondary market?
What would happen if you were in the same room as an alleged counterfeiter?
What did you learn from the sessions so far at Bourbon and Beyond?
Thoughts on the Van Winkle session.
Who caught up with Marianne Eaves?
If you can't get Pappy, what do you recommend?
01:31:3626/09/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Bardstown Bourbon Company Phifer Pavitt Reserve Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Bardstown Bourbon Company Phifer Pavitt Reserve. This 9 year old bourbon comes in at 107 proof and $124.99 MSRP. Let us know what you think. Cheers!
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4824/09/2019
219 - Limited Edition Bourbon vs Single Barrel Picks with Mikey Conrad
Hunting for rare bourbon is hard these days so many people have gravitated to single barrel selections as a way to combat it in the hopes of getting a stellar bourbon that is less expensive and more appealing. On this episode, we blind taste our way through a series of five comparisons where we try to see if a single barrel store pick can compete with past limited editions. We see if Weller CYPB, Booker’s Rye, 2016 Four Roses Single Barrel, and Elijah Craig 18 are worth the price. We also talk about flavors we prefer over others and how to create your own small batch limited edition bourbon as well. If you’ve done something like this before, drop us a comment with your results.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the return of bourbon.
Is it worth waiting in line or camping out for bourbon?
Tasting store picks vs. limited releases.
Weller CYPB vs Weller 107 pick by Cork N Bottle
Booker’s Rye vs Knob Creek Rye by Westport Whiskey and Wine
2016 Four Roses Limited Edition Single Barrel OESK vs North Atlanta Bourbon Society OESK
Elijah Craig 18yr vs Elijah Craig Loch n Key
Wild Turkey 17yr Decades vs Russell's Reserve by Cork N Bottle
How many barrel picks have you been on?
Is there something on the flavor wheel that you don't like to get out of a bourbon?
Have you tried to create your own small batch before?
01:16:4319/09/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Fern Creek Rare Bourbon Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Fern Creek Bourbon 2019 Exceptional & Rare. This bourbon is non-age stated, 87.5 proof, and $180 MSRP. Let us know what you think. Cheers!
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:5317/09/2019
218 - The Contract Bourbon Business with David Mandell, Co-Founder of Bardstown Bourbon Company
Some people thought it was crazy to build a business doing 100% contract distilling. David Mandell, Former President and CEO of Bardstown Bourbon Company, told us this back on Episode 019. Four years later, we catch up with him to see how the operation has tripled from its original plan. This podcast covers what it takes to be a client of Bardstown Bourbon Company and how they are making 40 different mash bills for them. From the business side, we talk about building a destination for visitors and what it takes to find the right talent pool and keep employee retention. We look into their recently launched bourbon line and what the future has in store for more collaborations.
Show Notes:
Barrell American Vatted Malt: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190827005179/en/Barrell-Craft-Spirits-Releases-First-Ever-American-Vatted
NAWR post on 21 states violating the constitution for shipping laws: https://nawr.org/twenty-one-states-in-violation-of-constitution-after-tennessee-wine-supreme-court-case/
Bardstown Bourbon Company’s new CEO: https://www.thespiritsbusiness.com/2019/09/bardstown-bourbon-co-names-new-ceo/
Bardstown Bourbon Company new Visitor Experience: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/bardstown-bourbon-company-opens-immersive-visitors-center-experience-300914083.html
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about glassware.
What's been going on since the last time you were on the podcast?
What is Bardstown Bourbon Company?
What kind of brands do you work with?
What technology have you implemented in the distilling process?
Talk about building Bottled & Bond Kitchen.
How did you find the right staff?
Do you see an end of investing into the business?
Tell us about your innovation.
How did you decide to get into this business?
How many locations did you scout?
What do you do for employee retention?
Tell us about your bourbon.
What's the next phase for the Fusion line?
What about your vintage whiskey?
Where do you see the business going in the future?
01:05:5512/09/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Four Roses 2019 Limited Edition Small Batch Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Four Roses 2019 Limited Edition Small Batch. This bourbon comes in at 112.6 proof and $140 MSRP. Let us know what you think. Cheers!
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4910/09/2019
217 - Pernod Acquires Jefferson’s, Festivals, the Artificial Tongue, and EU Tariffs on Bourbon Community Roundtable #36
Welcome to Bourbon Heritage Month where it’s full of awesome festivals like Bourbon and Beyond. We dive into the show talking about Pernod's intent to acquire Castle Brands which Jefferson’s is a major portfolio player and if $223 million was a good deal. We comment on PBR's newest whiskey which is aged for a grand total of 5 seconds. Next is looking at the artificial tongue and what this could mean to the future of the industry. We wrap it up examining EU tariffs and it’s impact 1 year later on the whiskey market.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick takes a look back at the Legend Series.
Let's discuss Bourbon and Beyond.
Pernod buys Castle Brands for $223 million. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190828005771/en/Pernod-Ricard-Acquire-Castle-Brands-223-Million
Do you think more smaller brands are going to get bought out?
Is Pernod trying to get back to bourbon?
Was this a good buy for Pernod?
What do you think about PBR making whiskey? https://www.jsonline.com/story/entertainment/beer/2019/08/22/pabst-blue-ribbon-now-making-whiskey-collaboration-new-holland/2086883001/
Have you all seen Screwball Peanut Butter Whiskey?
What are your thoughts on the artificial tongue? https://www.geek.com/tech/artificial-tongue-can-taste-subtle-differences-in-whiskey-1798999/
More secondary markets are gone. What are your thoughts?
Who do you think is behind the shut downs?
Tariffs continue to hammer down on bourbon. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-whiskey/us-whiskey-exporters-struggle-after-year-of-eu-tariffs-idUSKCN1V80DN
What do you think is next for tariffs?
What impact do tariffs have on the bourbon industry?
Thanks to Nick from breakingbourbon.com, Brian from sippncorn.com, and Blake from bourbonr.com for joining.
01:18:2705/09/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Kentucky Owl Confiscated Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Kentucky Owl Confiscated. This non-age stated bourbon comes in at 96.4 proof and $130 MSRP. Let us know what you think.Cheers!
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4803/09/2019
216 - The Man Behind Peerless with Corky Taylor
There’s a new chapter in the history books for Kentucky Peerless Distilling Company. A thriving distillery that had been lost during prohibition is now reemerging right in the heart of downtown Louisville. Corky Taylor, CEO of Peerless, joins the show to share his story. After being bored with retirement, Corky decided to risk it on building a distillery and fighting with a team of lawyers to reclaim their original DSP-50 designation. We talk more about their rye, the recent bourbon release, and some stories from when he was roommates with the Allman brothers.
Show Notes:
Denny's Bourbon Menu: https://vinepair.com/booze-news/dennys-bourbon-menu-pancakes/
Sweet spot for aging bourbon: https://www.winemag.com/2019/08/12/ultra-aged-spirits-ripping-you-off/
Can liquor go bad?: https://www.bustle.com/articles/99585-does-alcohol-go-bad-yep-so-heres-how-long-you-have-to-finish-off-your-favorite
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about marketing to children.
Tell us about growing up in Hawaii.
Where does the name Corky come from?
What is the history of Peerless?
What happened during prohibition?
What made you decide to bring the brand back?
Why Louisville?
Tell us about getting your original DSP number back.
Was it hard to make such a big investment?
Why was it important to wait to release your own product vs. sourcing?
What differentiates you from other brands?
What systems are you investing in?
If you were younger, would you have focused as much on quality as you are now?
Tell us about the bottle and the price point.
Why does rye age quicker than bourbon?
Is the price of the rye going to go up when it is older?
Tell us about the small batch and single barrel.
What is your definition of small batch?
Were your recipes trial and error?
What other ryes do you like?
Who are you teaming up with for barrels?
How did you chose your Master Distiller?
What's your connection to General Patton?
What about the Allman Brothers?
01:15:4029/08/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Elijah Craig Barrel Proof B519 Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Elijah Craig Barrel Proof B519. This 12 year old bourbon comes from Heaven Hill, is 122.2 proof and $60 MSRP. Let us know what you think. Cheers!
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4827/08/2019
215 - Cocktails for the Right Occasion with Molly Wellmann and Bill Whitlow
Old Fashioned, Manhattan, Gold Rush, Seelbach, Pink Lady. These are all names we associate with standard cocktail menus. Today, we invite Molly Wellmann, owner of Japp's, and Bill Whitlow, owner of Rich's Proper, to look at the influence bourbon has had on the bartending culture and when should you use a particular bourbon in a staple cocktail. We then examine the changes of the season and how tastes change between having something refreshing to dark and oaky. It’s all about cocktails for the right occasion.
Show Notes:
Tom Bulleit steps back: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article234080232.html, https://www.just-drinks.com/news/diageos-bulleit-bourbon-founder-steps-back-as-abuse-claims-intensify_id129116.aspx, https://www.hollisbofficial.com/
Castle and Key spillage: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article234080232.html
Willett Distillery Barrel Pick: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29294662
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the news of the day.
Tell us about your journey into spirits.
Was there a moment when you saw bourbon become a staple behind the bar?
How do you study the history of a cocktail?
Tell us about the Gin Ricky.
What are good cocktails for Summer?
What are the ingredients in your favorite cocktails?
What is a Clover Club?
What is a Gold Rush and Brown Derby cocktail?
What are good cocktails for Fall?
What is a gateway cocktail to get someone into bourbon?
What ingredients go in a Seelbach?
Is it hard to go to other bars and witness bartenders making cocktails improperly?
Let's talk about bourbon slushes.
What do you think of barrel aged cocktails?
What style of bourbon works well in certain cocktails?
What's the ultimate mixing bourbon?
What do you think about using allocated bourbon in a cocktail?
Is there a cocktail to make lower end whiskey taste better?
How do you coverup or reduce negative notes in younger bourbons?
What do you think of Mint Juleps?
What's a good Winter cocktail?
What about vodka cocktails?
How do you make an Old Fashioned?
What proof bourbon do you use in your cocktails?
01:29:0522/08/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Jeptha Creed Straight 4-Grain Bourbon
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Jeptha Creed Straight 4-Grain Bourbon. This 2 year old bourbon is made with Bloody Butcher Corn, comes in at 98 proof and a $50 MSRP. Let us know what you think.
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4620/08/2019
214 - Jack & Jim: What's the Difference?
What happens when you get master distillers from two largest rivaling brands together? Actually, some pretty good jokes. Fred Noe, Master Distiller at Jim Beam, and Jeff Arnett, Master Distiller at Jack Daniel’s, take the stage at Bourbon and Beyond to field questions asked by Fred Minnick. They talk about BBQ, celebrities, mash bills, the Lincoln County Process, and if Jack Daniels is actually a bourbon. Bourbon and Beyond 2019 will take place September 20th through the 22nd so if you want to be there in person to hear sessions like today’s podcast, go get yours at BourbonandBeyond.com.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about drinking in moderation.
What kind of music have your brands been part of?
What is your BBQ connection?
What is the history of your distillery?
What is your mash bill?
What is your proof point off the still?
What do you think of the Lincoln County process?
How do you train your tour guides?
Tell us about Gentleman Jack.
Tell us about Jim Beam.
Is Jack Daniels a bourbon?
Do you ever feel competitive against each other?
What does your average day look like?
What was it like to hang out with Mila Kunis?
What celebrities are connected to Jack Daniels?
How often do you introduce new products?
https://youtu.be/J1NoejIIXJ0
01:01:4915/08/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Parker's Heritage Collection 13th Edition Heavy Char Rye Whiskey
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review the 13th edition of the Parker's Heritage Collection. This 8 year old heavy char rye whiskey comes in at 105 proof and $149.99 MSRP.
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:5013/08/2019
213 - Secondary Fallout, MGP Stock Drop, and Brand Perception on Bourbon Community Roundtable #35
It’s a dawn of a new day. The secondary market is scrambling to find a new home and we look at the impact this has on bourbon growth. MGP stock prices took a major hit after reports came out that aged stock hasn’t been selling and we look at new competitors in the bulk contract game. Missouri is putting itself on the map having a legally designated bourbon, but are there ulterior motives? With Knob Creek re-instating the 9 year age statement, does it make it one of the best values in bourbon? With all of these coming together, how are brands being perceived? All this on Bourbon Community Roundtable #35
Show Notes:
Reddit AMA with the Russell’s https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/cme0nf/hey_reddit_im_wild_turkey_master_distiller_eddie/
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about drinking bourbon how you want.
Let's discuss the fallout of the secondary market on Facebook.
How do you think the secondary groups will shift?
What do you think of the MGP stock plummeting? https://www.barrons.com/articles/mgp-ingredients-stock-aged-whiskey-sales-earnings-51564610232
Is MPG now competing with new distillate like Willet?
Do they still have higher age bourbon stock?
Let's talk about the new Missouri rules for bourbon. http://whiskyadvocate.com/missouri-bourbon-whiskey-style/
Do you think this will happen in other states?
What do you think of Knob Creek restoring their 9-Year Age Statement? http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2019/06/knob-creek-to-restore-9-year-age.html
Are Knob Creek picks the best value in bourbon?
Is the market oversaturated with Knob Creek picks?
Have you seen variances in Knob Creek single barrel picks?
How do you perceive brands when they raise prices?
Thanks to Blake from bourbonr.com, Jordan from breakingbourbon.com, and Sara from barbelleblog.com for joining.
01:13:1708/08/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Old Forester 2019 Birthday Bourbon Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Old Forester 2019 Birthday Bourbon. This 11 year old bourbon is 105 proof and priced at $99.99 MSRP.
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4906/08/2019
212 - The Largest Bourbon Secondary Market with Owen Powell
Last week, CNN reported that Facebook and Instagram are shutting down all peer to peer sales of alcohol. This wasn’t a joke. In the span of 72 hours, all of the major bourbon groups were wiped out. The secondary market is synonymous with Facebook. The growth of bourbon’s popularity can be attributed to it as well by those that are in it to flip bottles. Owen Powell didn’t create the first group to buy, sell, and trade bourbon, but he certainly created the largest. The Bourbon Secondary Market group is no longer around on Facebook, but the story of how it was built, the ways discussions were moderated, and how it served as a data gold mine for valuations is told. We uncover the progression of the group from a few hundred members to reaching over 50,000, what leads to certain distilleries being banned on a black market, and if the secondary market will actually end if Facebook groups cease to exist.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Parker's Heritage Collection.
How did you get into bourbon?
Talk about the growth of the group. Were there any growing pains?
How many members are in the group?
How many admins do you have?
What do you look for in admins?
Why do people have animosity towards admins in these groups?
Let's talk about the rules in the group.
How did the secondary raffle site become its own thing?
How does a dispute come about?
What do all the acronyms mean?
What is the best way to handle a dispute?
Have you ever had accusations of counterfeits?
How do you handle that kind of situation?
Why did you do an open group?
Do you keep a log of all the transactions?
You’ve banned a few distilleries. How are rules like that determined?
Why do you run the group even though you don't get paid?
What do you do when someone prices something too high?
What about monthly dues?
Do you think groups could end on Facebook?
01:18:5601/08/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Old Fitzgerald Bottled-in-Bond Spring 2019 Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Old Fitz Bottled-in-Bond Spring 2019 release. This 13 year old bourbon is 100 proof and priced at $129.99 MSRP.
DISCLAIMER: The whiskey in this review was provided to us at no cost courtesy of the spirit producer. We were not compensated by the spirit producer for this review. This is our honest opinion based on what we tasted. Please drink responsibly.
01:4730/07/2019
211 - The Woodford Masters, with Chris Morris and Elizabeth McCall
Chris Morris and Elizabeth McCall are no strangers to the show so we're excited to have them back on again. This time, we explore the controversial topic of “what is a master distiller?”. How is a title like that earned through years of service? How is Brown-Forman laying the foundation for Elizabeth to take over when Chris is ready to retire? We also talk about barrels from their cooperage, the influence of char on their whiskey, and this week's Whiskey Quickie, the King of Kentucky.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about rapid aging.
Lawsuit challenges out-of-state retailers' ability to sell, deliver and ship alcohol to Kentucky consumers - https://www.wdrb.com/news/lawsuit-challenges-out-of-state-retailers-ability-to-sell-deliver/article_4881080e-acc4-11e9-9dbc-8b443dc97b9e.html
Join us on barrel selections and see what other perks await. Support the podcast at https://www.patreon.com/bourbonpursuit
Come drink some beer with us at 3rd Turn Brewing on July 26th from 4-7pm https://www.facebook.com/events/327452114804983/
Elizabeth, tell us about your role.
Do different Master Distiller's have different styles?
Is there a Master Distiller training manual?
What do you think of everyday people becoming Master Distillers without significant training?
What is a Master Distiller today?
How do you know a bourbon will be good once it's aged?
What flavors or notes do you consider defects?
Are we going to see more single malts come out of Brown-Forman?
Why is there such a fascination with making malts work?
Tell us about the latest Distiller's Select?
Are there two different char levels on the double double oaked?
Talk about owning your own cooperage.
Tell us about King of Kentucky.
Why did you chose this label?
Is there any pressure on Elizabeth to live up to Chris?
How did you feel when you became a Master Distiller?
Recorded live at Down One Bourbon Bar in Louisville, KY.
01:33:1025/07/2019
Whiskey Quickie: King of Kentucky Bourbon 2019 Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Brown-Forman's King of Kentucky 2019 release. This 15 year old single barrel bourbon is available only in Kentucky, comes in at 131 proof, and a $249.99 MSRP. Let us know what you think in the comments.
01:4923/07/2019
210 - Oversaturated Private Barrel Selections with Michael Gallier
We talk about private barrel selections being the new unicorns on this show all the time. But it begs the question, are we seeing so many private picks that the market is oversaturated? It seems like every week there is a new barrel in our city for sale, FOMO about some sweet sticker, or the secondary market has a crazy valuation on a normal single barrel selection. We examine all the components that go into getting single barrels such as the amount of influence from distributor reps, the amount of available barrels at the distilleries, and if you would buy from a big chain vs a small independent store. Will there ever be enough bourbon to go around and not over bloat the market? We’ll find out.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Portugal.
What got you into to buying private barrel picks?
What's the landscape of private picks in DC?
With the increase in stores wanting private picks, are some stores going to get shut out of the program?
Do you think distilleries should be taking care of the bigger accounts over the smaller stores that started doing picks earlier?
Is there a bias towards certain states?
Would you want to buy a private barrel pick from a big box liquor store?
Does the local sales rep make a difference?
What about restaurant picks?
Do you think distilleries are running out of barrels for their private barrel programs?
Is the market flooded with private selections?
What could distilleries do to give one store an advantage over another?
Let's discuss stickers. Do they influence your purchase?
Should stores slow down barrel picks?
Why are some people spending so much for private picks on the secondary market?
01:05:5618/07/2019
Whiskey Quickie: Peerless Rye 3 Year Review
On this Whiskey Quickie by Bourbon Pursuit, we review Peerless Distilling Company's 3 Year Old Rye Whiskey. This single barrel rye whiskey came from the gift shop at 107 proof and a $99 MSRP.
01:4716/07/2019
209 - Warehouse Fires and Heaven Hill’s Bottled in Bond Relaunch on Bourbon Community Roundtable #34
A warehouse disaster is a large concern for the bourbon industry, but some people in the community make jokes and laugh at the situation. Should this be considered normal? Heaven Hill phased out their 6 Year Bottled in Bond product that was a true bargain brand to many bourbon consumers and launched a very similar product with a 3X price increase. Was this a good move by Heaven Hill? Are they competing in a high price bracket? Did they just cannibalize their own products? Is this the first #KentuckySnub? We tackle all this and more on Bourbon Community Roundtable #34.
Show Notes:
This week Ryan talks about launching a bourbon brand.
Look for a new segment called Whiskey Quickie launching next week.
Brian Harra’s Sazerac Brands v. Peristyle: Bourbon History Matters as a Matter of Law - https://brianhaaracom.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/haara-bourbon-history-matters-as-a-matter-of-law-ky-jeanrl-2019.pdf
Jim Beam Warehouse Fire
Heaven Hill 7-Year Bottled-in-Bond
Was it the right move to discontinue 6-Year BIB and relaunch with 7-Year at a higher price point?
Do you think this product competes with the Woodford and Knob Creek price point?
Is Heaven Hill competing against themselves?
Why wouldn't Heaven Hill launch in Kentucky on day one?
How do you best support retailers that elevate prices for hard to find bottles?
01:25:4611/07/2019
208 - Top Chef of Bourbon with Chef Newman Miller
If you're a fan of good bourbon, then you're likely a fan of good food too. Today's guest is the intersection of those two, combining a culinary background with his love for the south and, of course, bourbon. You may know Chef Newman Miller from his appearance on Top Chef season 16. He's also the Executive Chef and Owner of Star Hill Provisions at Maker's Mark and the Harrison Smith House in Bardstown. We talk about his culinary background, where he played a part in the creation of the McDonald's McGriddle and behind the scenes at Top Chef. His deep dive into bourbon was influenced by Drew Kulsveen of Willett. So if you're a wannabe chef or if you're an occasional TV dinner kind of person, this episode is going to have something for you.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about 4th of July.
What was Padma from Top Chef like in real life?
What was it like when you heard about being on Top Chef?
Why do you think they chose Kentucky for Top Chef?
What did the chefs think of being in smaller towns?
Was it challenging to cook for everyone?
What's a banana croquet?
How cool was it to have the chefs create versions of your dishes?
How hard is it to judge fellow chefs?
Tell us about your relationship with Rob Samuels. Was there a pep talk before the show?
Were you relieved once it was over?
How did you get into food?
Did you approach Maker's about making food there?
Will some of the main food distributors come down to Maker's?
What are your biggest challenges?
How hard was it to convince the locals to try higher end food?
Talk about meeting Drew Kulsveen and how you got into the bourbon community.
Where did your passion for bourbon come from?
Besides Maker's, do you have a special bourbon that you love?
Tell us about your connection to the McGriddle.
Where does bourbon and food intersect for you?
Talk about Star Hill Provisions.
How do you see the future unfolding for the bourbon/tourism industry in Bardstown/Kentucky?
Why did you name the restaurant Harrison/Smith House?
01:18:4104/07/2019
207 - A Rare Breed, Jimmy Russell of Wild Turkey
Today’s guest needs no introduction. He is one the most iconic living figures in bourbon today. He’s been on episodes 77, 105, and 175. He’s even got his own personalized scooter to get him around the distillery and that is Jimmy Russell. This podcast touches on his early years and how he was selected to become the next master distiller. He talks about the changes he saw at the distillery as it exchanged hands throughout the years. Also, we get to hear the story on the birth of Rare Breed and his opinion on chill filtering vs non-chill filtering debate.
Show Notes:
The history of JW Dant and Log Still Distillery - https://www.distillerytrail.com/blog/j-w-dant-investing-12-million-to-restart-historic-distillery-in-the-bourbon-capital-of-the-world/
Heaven Hill 7 Year Bottled in Bond Launch - https://www.facebook.com/bourbonpursuit/posts/2640636035998401?__tn__=K-R
Leave us a review! https://link.chtbl.com/LeaveAReview
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about speaking at a Total Wine event in Atlanta.
Does limestone water make a difference in bourbon?
How long does it take to cook bourbon?
Can you burn the mash?
When did you start at the distillery?
What roles have you had at the distillery?
What Master Distiller trained you?
How did he decide he wanted to train you?
What were the early years like?
Was there anything from prohibition that affected the distillery operations when you started?
Will you all need to increase capacity soon?
What was it like when you first started traveling to talk about Wild Turkey?
What were your biggest challenges on the road?
Were you nervous when you first went out on the road?
Were you happy traveling and talking to the consumers?
What was the name of the distillery before Wild Turkey?
What was it like to distill then ship the bourbon away?
Tell us about the other former Lawrenceburg distilleries.
What was it like when you were out on the road? Do you think it helped grow the brand?
Do you prefer to travel or be at the distillery?
Tell us about Kentucky Spirit and Rare Breed.
How often are you going through and sampling barrels?
Do you have a favorite warehouse?
Do you have a favorite floor?
Why do you only have 7 floors?
What innovations have you seen throughout your time in the bourbon industry?
Talk about your rye mashbill.
What do you think of non-distilling producers?
Tell us about the inception of Rare Breed.
Do you like the barrel char flavor?
What do you think of chill vs. non-chill filtered?
What kind of steak do you like?
How much time do you spend at the visitor's center?
What do you drive most of the time?
Are you excited to have Bruce at the distillery?
Did you ever want to own the distillery?
Why do whiskey consumers get enthralled with age statements?
Any life advice for younger generations?
01:03:5127/06/2019
206 - What Impact Will Marijuana Have on the Bourbon Industry? With David Ozgo, Chief Economist at Distilled Spirits Council, and Clay Busch, Vice President of Heavy Grass
You can't discount the impact marijuana is currently having on states that have legalized recreational use. There's now more research and funding looking at the impact of marijuana not only from a medicinal use, but also economic footprint that funds many city and state government initiatives. Of course, liquor industries are curious and want to make sure this doesn't hurt sales. Will it? I don't know, but today's guests do. David Ozgo, Chief Economist at Distilled Spirits Council and Clay Busch, Vice President of Heavy Grass join the show to talk from their respective sides. Those advocating widespread legalization helps everyone, and those taking precautions for its hurting sales of the spirits business.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Kentucky state pride.
What's your connection to bourbon?
Give us some background on your organizations.
Do you encourage smoking weed to harness creativity?
Is there a concern from the Distilled Spirits Council with the combination of marijuana and spirits?
Let's discuss consuming responsibly.
Should brands try to align themselves with marijuana?
Tell us about the research the government is doing on marijuana?
How would spirit companies use marijuana in their portfolio?
What is CBD compared to marijuana?
Do you think marijuana has an impact on the spirits industry?
Are people worried about marijuana impacting spirits?
How do national companies handle marijuana use with employees that live in legal states?
What do you think about experimentation of marijuana in spirits?
What is your goal in regards to marijuana?
What are your thoughts on hemp?
Are they worried about the spirit or their pocket books?
How can you pair marijuana with whiskey?
01:06:2220/06/2019
205 - Facebook Rule Changes and What’s Next with Marianne Eaves on Bourbon Community Roundtable #33
A jam packed episode. The first half is focused on the the largest Facebook group known for buying, selling, and trading bourbon and it’s encounter with Facebook staff about rule changes. We cover the news and share the information as it’s presented. In the second half of the show, we are joined by Marianne Eaves as she discusses her departure from Castle & Key and what’s on the horizon for her next adventure. This episode has a little bit of everything. Oh yeah, and a teaser about marijuana with bourbon which you can look forward to hearing more next week.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Bottled-In-Bond and Bernie Lubbers.
The Next Phase of the Bourbon Secondary Market. Facebook is cracking down.
What will be the next iteration of the secondary market?
When did you get the news and how did you feel about it?
Will this start more segmented smaller groups?
Are there any other platforms where the secondary market could exist?
How does one have bourbon as a hobby and ensure that he or she is not becoming an alcoholic in the process?
Are Sober Bars going to become a thing?
What's new with Marianne Eaves?
What was the response from other companies to you leaving Castle and Key?
Are you interested in other spirits?
Have you been trained in other spirits?
What's your favorite style of gin?
What's next for you?
What do you all think about marijuana infused bourbon?
01:20:1313/06/2019
204 - Fostering Diversity and Building Experiences with Peggy Noe Stevens, Master Taster and Experiential Expert
Peggy Noe Stevens is an encyclopedia of great information about many bourbon brands. You may not know it, but she's one of the biggest influencers behind many of the great distillery experiences while on the bourbon trail and outside of the state too. Peggy is a pioneer in driving diversity with her leadership behind the Bourbon Women organization and involvement with women-led panels. Peggy is an incredibly talented person that has shaped the industry from being in front of people leading them at bourbon tastings and crafting one of kind experiences behind the scenes.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Wikipedia.
What is an experiential expert?
Who have you consulted for these experiences?
What value do you bring to these experiences?
What was it like working at Woodford Reserve?
How do you elevate the experience?
How do balance the history with modern day innovation?
Explain the difference between someone coming up the ranks in the bourbon industry vs. someone just taking it.
What was it like when you were named the first female master taster?
Do you feel like the media is better today that back then?
What about diversity in the whiskey industry?
Was Lincoln Henderson your Mr. Miyagi?
What are you doing today with this master taster role?
Let's discuss Bourbon Women.
What was your inspiration for Bourbon Women?
Tell us about the growth of Bourbon Women.
How do you market the organization?
What type of members do you have?
What are visitors looking for in a distillery experience?
How do you deal with a difficult person in the hospitality industry?
How did you help pioneer the Bourbon Trail?
01:14:4106/06/2019
203 - Weather and Whiskey with Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel
This guest gets more TV face time than The Bachelorette. He has built up a big fan base among weather geeks and now Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel joins Bourbon Pursuit to talk about his career, braving crazy storms, and how weather patterns and global warming are affecting today’s bourbon stocks. We also get to hear a funny story shared by Jim and Fred as they were drilling barrels of whiskey together at Jack Daniels. This episode gives you a look into Jim’s everyday life and how bourbon became a part of it.
Show Notes:
The Curation Desk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fSTu8zbAwM
Chuck Cowdery’s Top Bourbon List https://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-best-bourbons-ever.html
Pursuit Series Episodes 010 and 011 https://pursuitspirits.com/
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about whiskey decanters.
How did you get involved in weather?
When did you start drinking whiskey?
After you first started drink bourbon, what were you seeking out in the store or bar?
What's the strangest thing anyone has said to you in public?
Do you get annoyed that people associate you with disasters?
Do you get a high being in bad weather?
Do you ever get panicked in certain weather situations?
When you celebrate a job well done, what do you drink?
Tell us about your interest in cars.
Was deflategate real?
Can your joints hurt from weather changes?
Does increased rain impact a microclimate? Waters are rising around distilleries. How will it impact the warehouses?
Will the rain affect the white oak trees?
Do you predict any climate shifts in the Kentucky area that could affect bourbon?
Tell us about the time you picked out a barrel with Fred.
How does humidity affect barrels?
Jim Cantore Website/Social https://jimcantore.tv/
01:12:3730/05/2019
202 - What if there was a Legal Secondary Market? with Nate Shue
What if there was a legalized secondary market? Some may argue there is with new vintage laws being introduced around the country, but then there is the massive flood of online marketplaces that don't have any regulation whatsoever. It's a touchy subject because anyone that is really into bourbon, has seemed to find their way into these corners of the web. And lets be honest, most of us have had to do some sort of buy, sell, or trade to get bottles that we desire. It's the nature of the game and this show looks at the premise of if you could build your own legal secondary market, what would it look like? We are joined by bourbon enthusiast Nate Shue, a Patreon supporter, on this topic.
Show Notes:
KDA and BIER report on the Kentucky Bourbon industry’s energy, water, and emissions data. - https://www.bieroundtable.com/news/formalizing-sustainability-kentucky-bourbon-industry-collaborates-with-bier/
Whiskey Stocks and the Bubble Burst - https://www.barrons.com/articles/u-s-whiskey-stocks-like-brown-forman-have-soared-beware-the-bourbon-bubble-51557514898
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about whiskey 'first' marketing.
When did you start getting into bourbon?
What do you think started the secondary market craze?
What are the issues with the secondary market?
Do you think referral secondary markets like Wine Searcher or Blur Book hurt or help?
How does the value get established?
What would happen if you removed the community aspect of the secondary market?
Do you think other states should have laws similar to Washington D.C.?
What about auction houses like Christie's?
If you were to have a legal secondary market, what would it look like?
Should distilleries price the bourbon so high that it basically eliminates the secondary market?
Do you think if they shut down the secondary market overnight, would it just come back?
01:15:0023/05/2019
201 - Old Forester's State of the Union with Campbell Brown, President of Old Forester
Campbell Brown, President and Managing Director of Old Forester is back on the show. If you've been a long time listener, you may have remembered him back on Episode 98. As the President of Old Forester, he oversees a lot of the brands momentum and strategy. We get his take on bourbon tariffs with international expansion along with his hope for future movie partnerships. Anyone interested in a business background, you're going to find this one entertaining.
Show Notes:
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Marianne Eaves.
Talk about the Brown influence on our city because you've got the Brown Hotel, The Brown Theatre, the Hot Brown, etc.
Is there pressure to keep the Brown tradition going?
How did you work your way up at Brown-Forman?
What got you into the Old Forester category?
Talk about the building and distillery.
What about the fire in 2014?
What chapter are we in right now in Old Forester history?
Let’s talk about international markets and tariffs.
What was the international growth plans for Old Forester prior to all the tariffs? Did they change or are they staying the same?
Where do you see the Old Forester brand?
What are you doing to elevate the Old Forester brand into a premium category?
Talk about your team and what goes into the bottle.
Do you take a Bill Samuels approach about not interfering with what goes in the bottle?
Is there a brand rivalry in the company?
Do you have to fight Woodford for barrels?
Will you ever have 100% of production here?
What impact did the Kingsman movie have on Old Forester business?
Do you have a strategy to do more than Statemans?
If you could do a movie tie in, which movie past or present would you do?
How far down the gene pool are you to George Garvin Brown?
01:07:3516/05/2019
200 - Juleps, MGP Chasers, and High Dollar NAS on Bourbon Community Roundtable #32
Are Mint Juleps the problem child of bourbon cocktails? We examine the Mint Julep and it’s impact on history and give our novice commentary on horse racing. We then look at the crazy hoarding of higher aged MGP stocks because there are now groups scouring the country to find distilleries with this coveted whiskey. Is there a scary future of higher priced bourbons (over $100) that don’t carry an age statement? Lastly, we give our initial thoughts on the new Wild Turkey “Cornerstone” release.
Show Notes:
Oldest Whiskey: http://www.lawhiskeysociety.com/pages/Worlds-Oldest-Whiskey
Yelp Recommendations: https://www.yelp.com/collection/Si779eiZUmjGomZP2pZLTg
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the word smooth.
200th Episode of Bourbon Pursuit
Kentucky Derby Post Mortem. Thoughts on the race?
Bourbon was out in full force with Brown Forman having a spotlight. Are mint juleps a timeless classic or is it ruining good bourbon?
How many brands can you name that have a horse on the label?
MGP prices sky rocketing. When did this phenomenon begin?
KY Owl Confiscated. Thoughts on the future with high price no age statement bourbon?
Wild Turkey "Cornerstone" releasing their limited edition rye. http://whiskyadvocate.com/wild-turkey-masters-keep-cornerstone-rye-last-drop-glenrothes-whisky-whiskey/
01:16:5009/05/2019
199 - The Future Faces of Wild Turkey with Bruce Russell and JoAnn Street
Bruce Russell and JoAnn Street both know their Wild Turkey distillation and family history like the back of their hand. Both have been brand ambassadors but are now transitioning to new roles. While JoAnn is developing the hospitality side, Bruce is learning the ins and outs of the distillery. This show dives into the personalities of these two as we discuss the effect of bringing fresh faces to the distillery and how they plan on keeping traditions alive.
Show Notes:
Episode 186 we feature Pam Heilman of Michter’s Distillery
150 bottles remaining from 4 barrels of Pursuit Series
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about fake whiskey.
JoAnn, do you want to get into working in the distillery?
Bruce, are they going to make you join the union?
How are you related to Jimmy?
How did you decide to get into the family business?
Talk about being a female in whiskey.
What does it mean to be new blood in the company?
Tell us about your background and how it will help with working in the distillery.
Did they have a daycare for you at the distillery when you were young?
What is your favorite Wild Turkey product?
Do you see yourself living in Lawrenceburg?
Give us your typical brand ambassador spiel for 80 proof and 101.
Tell us about Rare Breed and Kentucky Spirit.
Why is 101 Rye important?
01:07:0802/05/2019
198 - The Stave is the Rave with Peggy Noe Stevens
We all know wood influences bourbon, but to what degree? This episode explores both natural and human impact to understand the chemical breakdown of what happens in the barrel. Peggy rounds this out by pairing it with food so you know how to train your palate. Peggy Noe Stevens is renowned for her ability to combine all of your senses into a memorable experience when you are drinking any bourbon. This session took place at the 2018 Kentucky Bourbon Affair and you can buy tickets to remaining 2019 events at kybourbonaffair.com.
Show Notes:
Behind the Scenes of Four Roses Small Batch Select - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my9YR-fr95s
Kenny’s Big Batch Mint Julep Recipe - https://www.patreon.com/posts/26331151
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about who you would like to go out drinking with.
All the magic of bourbon happens in the barrel.
Overview of barrel making and charring barrels.
Innovation with barrels.
As much as we try to control barrels and warehouses, mother nature still controls a lot of variables.
Barrels provide 6 basic food flavors: sweet, spice, wood, smoke, fruit, and floral.
Understanding aroma and flavors.
Tricks to neutralize your olfactory sense.
What decisions affect the flavor of bourbon?
What flavor does toasting a barrel provide?
What flavor does charring a barrel provide?
The chemistry behind bourbon.
Importance of oxygen and water.
Exploring the texture of bourbon.
Where do the barrel notes hit the tongue?
When is it over oaked?
The Chew Down: bourbon and food pairing.
01:02:2325/04/2019
197 - Bourbon Society Showdown
How should a successful bourbon club function? Are there annual dues that go towards hosted events or is it completely unstructured where all business takes place online? We invited the leaders of Louisville, Lexington, Dallas, and Houston bourbon societies to come on the show and talk about how they manage growth and keep participation levels high amongst their members.
Show Notes:
James “Buddy” Thompson - https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/louisville/obituary.aspx?n=james-thompson-buddy&pid=192232789&fhid=4753
2019 Eagle Rare Life Award - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICAjPavE4hs
This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about flasks.
Joining us this week: Kristopher Hart (Houston Bourbon Society), Peter Schmidt (Dallas Bourbon Club), David Bock (The Louisville Bourbon Society), and Matt Preston (Lexington Bourbon Society)
Tell us about the purpose of your Bourbon Society. (Events, philanthropy, bottle swapping, barrel picks, etc.)
What are the differences between a traditional and non-traditional bourbon society format?
What do your events look like? Who are you inviting?
Are events completely bourbon focused? Or do you cross over with food, cigars, music, etc.?
Is Texas half whiskey/half bourbon or all bourbon?
What are the benefits when you pay to be part of a club?
Do you feel like your club is more intimate than an online group?
Walk us through one of your meetings.
What do members get in return for their dues?
How do you charge for events?
Do your events have consistent participation or are there constantly new people?
What challenges do you experience when hosting events?
Is it redundant to have multiple local bourbon groups?
01:10:3818/04/2019
196 - Kickstarter, Flavor Packets, and Retail Single Barrels on Bourbon Community Roundtable #31
The roundtable is back at it again, but this time we are joined by David Jennings of RareBird101 and Wade Woodard of tater-talk to discuss some topics. Learn how you can be a part of Wild Turkey history by supporting RareBird101 on Kickstarter and if you agree or disagree with Wade on barrel finished bourbon classifications. We wrap up talking about limited editions and store picks because that's always a hot button for all.
Show Notes:
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Joy Perrine, the first female bartender to be inducted into the Kentucky Bourbon Hall of Fame.
Wild Turkey Kickstarter with David Jennings of RareBird101 - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rarebird101/wild-turkey-american-spirit
News came out this week that the TTB is allowing "specialty whiskey" classifications to adorn the name bourbon on the label. Is this the demise of the bourbon law?
Maker’s Mark released another limited edition. From a retail standpoint, isn’t this the easiest money that’s ever been made?
When it comes to store picks should retailers care about what’s in the bottle? Taste vs Age, who wins? Will it sell no matter what?
Thank you to Blake of bourbonr.com, Brian of sippncorn.com, and Jordan of breakingbourbon.com for joining as usual.
01:11:3411/04/2019
195 - Theirs vs Ours, Comparing Private Barrel Selections Against Standard Offerings with Chris Zaborowski at the Kentucky Bourbon Affair
Chris Zaborowski put Westport Whiskey & Wine on the map with their very large tasting bar and plenty of private picks. This session was recorded at the Higher Proof Expo during the 2018 Kentucky Bourbon Affair. The 2019 Kentucky Bourbon Affair will take place June 4-8. It’s 5 Days. 19 Distilleries. 45 Events. Tickets for the 2019 Bourbon Affair are currently on sale and you can find our more information at KYBourbonAffair.com.
Show Notes:
Pursuit Series Episodes 006 through 009 on sale now, visit PursuitSpirits.com.
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the Kentucky Derby.
Chris Zaborowski helped shape the Stave & Thief Society curriculum.
What's all the fuss about bourbon?
What do you need to know about buying a single barrel?
You have to have a retail partner.
All brands are allocated.
Do you choose to go to a distillery or get samples sent to you?
What's your delivery lead time?
What brands are available for barrel selections? Large vs mid-size distilleries.
What questions do you ask when you go on a barrel selection?
What is the estimated cost?
What is the expected bottle yield?
What's the final bottling proof?
Can you get it Non-Chill Filtered?
Let's taste ours vs theirs.
55:2704/04/2019
194 - Going Down the Rabbit Hole with Kaveh Zamanian, Founder of Rabbit Hole Distillery
Starting a new bourbon brand is tough, especially when you are in the backyard of the biggest dogs in the industry. However, Kaveh Zamanian saw a hole in the market where he could bring new mash bills and new experiences to bourbon drinkers. As the founder of Rabbit Hole Distillery, he has faced some criticism but is taking it head on in this episode. We talk about the startup hustle, contract distilling, pricing strategies, their 5 year roadmap and more.
Show Notes:
San Francisco World Spirits Competition - https://bourbonpursuit.com/2018/04/12/144-judging-san-francisco-world-spirits-competition-anthony-dias-blue/
“Bourbon & Thoroughbred Infused” Lean Management Training Certification Course from April 22-23, 2019. http://solarity.com/lean
Pursuit Spirits on ModernThirst.com. https://modernthirst.com/2019/03/22/pursuit-spirits-video-tasting-with-kenny-of-bourbon-pursuit/
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Bourbon BBQ potato chips.
Let’s start from the beginning. Talk about your introduction to bourbon.
When you first met your wife, were you intimidated?
What made you want to go down the path of opening a distillery?
What did you want to change when you got in the bourbon industry?
How did you get the ball rolling?
Did everyone think you were crazy?
How do you outline expectations to investors?
Do you think it is challenging for someone from outside of Kentucky to build a distillery in Kentucky?
What was your motivation for building the distillery vs. sourcing?
Can you disclose who was contract distilling for you?
How did you come up with your recipe?
Can you explain the difference between malted grain and a regular grain source?
How do you know your mash bill will be good years down the road?
Talk about being added to the official Kentucky Bourbon Trail.
Do you think you are beyond being a craft distiller now?
Do you want to see TTB define the term small batch?
What are you all doing differently that would entice visitors to come check our Rabbit Hole?
When people see the name Kaveh Zamanian, do you think the general public has an unfair bias?
How hard is it to build a brand or story when you had no connection to the industry until recently?
Since you have a psychology background, can you give us a breakdown of the bourbon consumer?
Who are your early adopters?
How do you deal with negative feedback?
Talk about your pricing strategy?
How old is most of your whiskey?
What keeps you from putting the age statement on the bottle?
How do your products stand out in a crowded market?
Talk about your relationship with Death & Co.
Do you think there is any confusion among whiskey geeks about your product being for cocktails vs. sipping neat?
What story do you want consumer to know when they see your product?
What are your long term goals for the brand? Any intentions of selling it off?
Tell us about your roadmap. What is going to be happening with the brand in 5 years?
What can visitors expect when they visit Rabbit Hole?
What is your connection with cigars?
How did you come up with the name Rabbit Hole?
01:18:3428/03/2019
193 - Distilling Whiskey with Hops, Marko Karakasevic of Charbay
Charbay is changing things up. To be a Master Distiller in the Karakasevic family, you must meet or exceed your predecessors ability. Marko decided to try to make whiskey with a brewer’s key ingredient, hops! However, some folks in the whiskey world don’t think it should classify as one. This podcast digs into his history and what types of beer styles can turn into delicious whiskey.
Show Notes:
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the San Francisco World Spirits Competition.
How did your family get started in this business?
Did you have a choice to not be a distiller?
What's an eau de vie?
Do you clog the still up with hops?
Is there a breakdown of grains you use in your beer?
Have you done any experiments with other beers?
Why do you age in stainless?
What is the formula approval process like with TTB?
How many styles are you going to do?
What is your go to beer style?
What is your response to people who say Charbay isn't a true whiskey?
What do you have aging now?
What justifies the high price point for you releases?
Any business growth plans?
Where does the name Charbay come from?
Where are you distributed?
01:06:3121/03/2019
192 - Moonshiners, Jim Beam Legent, and Weller Full Proof on Bourbon Community Roundtable #30
The roundtable welcomes Jackie James, of @JackieJames on IG and Creator of HerWhiskey.com, as a panelist this week. We talk with Tim Jones about his new show on the Discovery Channel, Moonshiners: Whiskey Business. We also discuss the new Jim Beam Legent and Weller Full Proof because who doesn't love a little bit of controversy?
Show Notes:
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Captain Kirk.
Join Kenny and Ryan at The Louisville Bourbon Society meeting on 3/18. https://admin.associationsonline.com/secure/events_register.cfm
What bottle got you into whiskey, Jackie?
Tim Jones tells us about Discovery Channel's new show, Moonshiners: Whiskey Business.
Does the show follow a formula?
What is your primary role on the show?
How do you help with marketing?
What is important to getting the customer to pick up that first bottle?
How can brands stand out on the shelf?
Take us through the distiller selection process.
Is the whiskey ready from these distilleries? Has it been aged long enough?
Do you think Virginia will ever be able to compete with Kentucky?
Did you have any input on pricing on the show?
Jim Beam is releasing Legent, a collaboration between Fred Noe and Shinji Fukuyo.
Does this new release excite you?
What do you think of the price point?
Do you look at this product as a marketing opportunity?
What is your stance on blending?
Do you think the Weller Full Proof line extension is going to be a good thing?
Do you think Weller is listening to their fans by creating a full proof version?
Let's talk about the EH Taylor Amaranth.
Thanks to Bourbonr.com, BreakingBourbon.com, HerWhsikey.com, and TimJonesCreative.com for joining the roundtable.
01:22:0914/03/2019
191 - Blending Your Way to a Brand with Trey and Chet Zoeller of Jefferson's Bourbon
Trey Zoeller makes his return and we are also joined by his father, Chet Zoeller. We go back in time, before Jefferson's Bourbon was established, to see how the Co-Founders sourced whiskey. We look at the current landscape to see if they feel pressure as sourcing becomes much harder when distilleries want to hang on to current stocks and people with deeper pockets enter the industry. We delve into Chet's past by talking about prohibition era whiskey and ask if he thinks Jefferson's Ocean is a gimmick. Trey and Chet provide knowledge behind growing a business and making pivots to find new opportunities.
Show Notes:
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The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about getting caught up in the moment.
Talk about growing up around bourbon.
What made you think getting into bourbon was going to work?
Does 25 year old Irish Whiskey take on as much oak as bourbon in the US?
How did you go about sourcing barrels?
Chet, talk about your books and how you are a historian.
Did you think Jefferson's would be as successful as it is today?
What roadblocks did you hit?
Did you feel like you were pricing it too high at first?
What’s the next big hurdle for bourbon to take over scotch?
Are many brands underselling themselves today?
What flavor profile were you aiming for when you started Jefferson's?
Did you start off selling in Kentucky only?
Talk about the first blending experience.
How did you name Old Iron Skillet?
Do you have any tips on blending?
If you tap into a barrel that isn't good, how can you know it will be better in a few years?
Tell us about all the moving parts of sourcing whiskey.
Do you have a turf war problem when sourcing?
What did you think of Trey’s Ocean experiment. Was it a gimmick?
Tell us about the double barrel and twin oak.
Do you think there is an opportunity for line extensions?
How did the New Orleans experiment turn out?
Talk about your pet sharks.
01:15:0207/03/2019
190 - The Store Pick King with Jamie Farris of Lincoln Road
Jamie Farris might be known as The Store Pick King. Lincoln Road out of Hattiesburg, MS is a hidden gem for those in the know. Depending on the day, Jamie might have 70 or more available store picks at one time. This episode digs into his barrel pick strategies, how distilleries have changed in treating their single barrel customers, and how he handles the “aficionados” that visit his store and leave with nothing.
Show Notes:
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about influencers.
Tell us how you got into bourbon and owning a liquor store.
Talk about dry county Mississippi. Were you trying to get moonshine?
How many store picks do you have available?
How do you get so many private barrels?
Who's cut you back on getting some barrels?
Does that upset you a little bit since you sort of started this craze?
Has the Mississippi allocation decreased or do you have to share the pie with more people?
What year did you get in the private barrel game?
What single barrel program does the best job?
Do you approach this the same as you did 5 years ago when you could reject barrels?
How often are you rejecting barrel samples?
Are you blending because single barrels are getting boring?
The next step is creating your own label, are looking into creating one?
Do you think you put Hattiesburg on the map?
Some of the Lincoln Road picks are credited to Misty. Explain who Misty is.
Do you think there is a market for collaboration picks?
Is there another category that's growing with a fan base like bourbon?
How do you explain the Maker's Mark 46 barrel program to someone who isn't a bourbon geek?
What are most whiskey/bourbon shoppers looking for? The average shopper vs the “bourbon/whiskey aficionado”.
Why do Mississippi legislatures think tastings once a quarter is a good idea?
How annoying does it get to have these "aficionados" come in and leave with nothing?
Do you foresee an end to the craziness?
What are some current or emerging trends in whiskey/bourbon?
Do think it will be a problem in the future when these places run out of MGP?
Do you feel it's not your obligation to push craft whiskey?
Do you think stores should price at secondary?
01:13:3428/02/2019
189 - Turkey Tell All with Master Distiller Eddie Russell of Wild Turkey
Eddie Russell from Wild Turkey needs no introduction. He’s one of the most honest Master Distillers in the industry and tells it like it is. This episode digs into the nuances of the Wild Turkey line up to see if we can figure out what could change. The biggest answer we all want to know is when will there be a barrel proof Russell’s Reserve? Tune in to find out.
Show Notes:
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about value whiskey.
How often are you going to Jimmy with questions?
Do you feel like you have the job down?
When you retire do you think you will hang around the distillery like Jimmy?
Do you feel like you have to work at the distillery?
Since you travel so much, what airline are you loyal to?
When you travel, do you wear Wild Turkey gear?
Are there any travel destinations that have stood out to you?
Do you get to have any fun when you travel?
Are there any plans for changing barrel proof entry?
How can you not get 101 proof out of bourbon that goes in a 110?
What is the thought process behind where in the rickhouse you place the barrels to age?
Is 108 your target for Rare Breed?
How many barrels are being dumped into Rare Breed?
Talk about the warehouses. Do you see a difference in the whiskey coming out of the brick warehouses?
How often do you get the chance to take a gamble?
Do you see 81 still being prevalent in the market place?
How many more derivatives do you think you can do?
Are you wanting to bring in another recipe?
Will we ever see a barrel strength Russell's Reserve?
Do you enjoy picking barrels with consumers?
Talk about the proof difference between Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit and Russell's Reserve.
Tell us about the partnership with Matthew McConaughey.
Is it a goal to bring back the 8-year-old age statement?
01:07:2321/02/2019
188 - Supreme Court Fueling the Bourbon Boom on Bourbon Community Roundtable #29
Will the U.S Supreme Court completely change alcohol sales across the country? The case of The Ketchum Family and Total Wine vs the State of Tennessee could bring interstate commerce parity and break down all the shipping law restrictions. The Roundtable’s legal counsel of Sipp’n Corn explains it in laymen terms while we discuss the opportunity this could present to retailers like Amazon. We keep the legal discussion going with KY House Bill 200 that would allow distilleries to have releases that don’t go to retail stores. Then we wrap it up with a hypothetical question of what would you do if you are creating your own whiskey label?
Show Notes:
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about new bourbon drinkers.
Total Wine vs State of TN in the Supreme Court and what that means for nationwide shipping.
House Bill 200 in KY is pushing for distilleries to have something unique that doesn't make its way to distribution. Does it actually compete with liquor stores?
Say you are creating your own whiskey label. Do you create something new or do you try to revive an old defunct brand?
Thanks to Bourbonr.com, BreakingBourbon.com, Sippncorn.com, and TheBourbonBabe.com for joining the roundtable.
01:29:4514/02/2019
187 - Whiskey Smackdown with WWE Superstar Aiden English
Matt Rehwoldt, or better known as WWE Superstar Aiden English, is finding a passion in bourbon with WrestlingWithWhiskey Instagram and YouTube series. Matt was in town for a live event so we took the opportunity to invite him over to talk about wrestling and whiskey. We discuss a his career, personal life, and of course, when bourbon became an obsession. His traveling schedule has turned him into a national bourbon hunter and he's got some stories to tell.
Show Notes:
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Derby Museum Legends Series
Bourbon Pursuit presenting at The Louisville Bourbon Society on 3/18
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about limited edition whiskey advertising.
How did you get into whiskey?
Is Wrestling with Whiskey the real you?
Have your trips turned into adventures with side stops for Bourbon hunting?
Have you connected with a store yet and built those relationships?
Talk about how you got into wrestling.
What demographic is the WWE fan base?
South Park did a spoof of wrestling. Talk about the state of wrestling and how it’s perceived as choreography.
Tell us about your wife.
Were you nervous when you married into the top wrestling tree?
What’s your persona in the ring?
Have you ever thought about changing your persona?
Is WWE against alcohol being portrayed?
How have you been received on social media when sharing posts about wrestling and bourbon?
Have you ever been stalked?
Are you using Instagram to connect with fans and let them see the real you behind the scenes?
01:10:3007/02/2019
186 - Michter's Masters with Pam Heilmann and Andrea Wilson
We have both Masters from Michter's today. Andrea Wilson was a guest back on Episode 47, and she makes her return with a new role as Master of Maturation. We dig into chemical compounds and wood effects on their bourbon. In addition, we have Pam Heilmann, the current Master Distiller, and we talk about her past at the Booker Noe plant and what they are doing at Michter's. We touch on the new Fort Nelson Distillery and dive into the topics the whiskey geeks care about like limited high age expressions, barrel proof releases, and if could we ever expect to see a single barrel program? Listen to all of our Michter's podcasts at https://bourbonpursuit.com/michters-podcasts/
Show Notes:
Buffalo Trace's Virtual Reality Tour
Conor O’Driscoll Joins Heaven Hill Distillery as Fifth Master Distiller
Pursuit Series Episodes 3 through 7 are available for purchase. Visit https://pursuitspirits.com/episodes/
The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Bourbon and teething.
What does Master of Maturation mean?
How did you get into whiskey?
What’s a relief supervisor?
Can you train your palate or is it a natural ability?
Is the tasting panel the best job?
What are the engineers bringing to the table?
How much still time do you have?
Is Willie Pratt still in the picture?
What does toasted mean?
Why don't you make barrel strength bourbon all the time?
Why hasn't Michter's started a single barrel program?
How long have you been distilling here?
What is your plan for your distillate?
Was there some fine tuning performed on the still?
Are you just making Bourbon? Or are you making Rye, Malt, anything else?
Tell us about the Shenk's and Bomberger's lines.
Are you all looking forward to the new visitor experience?
01:10:4931/01/2019
185 - Famous Staves with Brad Boswell, CEO of Independent Stave Company
A Bourbon Pursuit exclusive! Brad Boswell, CEO and 4th Generation Cooper at Independent Stave Company, rarely does any media coverage so we are ecstatic to not only capture his family story, but how they take customer service to the extreme and continue to invest in research and development to push the bounds of today’s bourbon. If you've ever wanted to know the extent of oak influence on whiskey, this one touches every aspect from types of wood, the building process, charring, and finishing.
Show Notes:
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The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Bourbon at Great Wolf Lodge
How did you grow into this business?
When you were young did you have a feeling of your family's legacy in the cooperage industry?
Did you family ever lobby to have the law put in place for new charred oak barrels?
How has your family been able to maintain business all these years?
What other side business have you had in the past?
Have whiskey barrels always been the hallmark for your company?
Talk about the size of your operation.
Has the waiting list died down a little bit? Any issues meeting demand?
What’s the process look like for bringing on a new client?
Tell us the story of Maker's 46 from your perspective.
Talk about the process of making a barrel.
What are the differences between various oaks, French vs. American vs. Japanese?
Do you have customers that prefer KY barrels vs MO?
Why do you keep innovating?
Are there any other core states you are harvesting oak from right now?
Tell us about Oregon oak.
What’s the wackiest spot you've gotten an oak tree from?
Tourism has changed over the years, what has that been like for ISC and what is the future?
What experiments are you doing with the barrels?
Do customers ever get upset about other companies copying their barrel finishes?
What's a barrel experiment that ended with a bad result?
How can you control the variables?
How long can you char a barrel?
How many times can you reuse a barrel?
Where are we in the growth of American Whiskey?
01:10:1924/01/2019