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Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.
Freedom Of The Press In Trump’s America (Rebroadcast)
Joe and Elie chat with libel law expert and former Bloomberg Global Media Counsel Charles Glasser about the state of the press going forward. Glasser explains why he’s actually optimistic about freedom of the press, despite Trump’s campaign rhetoric about “opening up” libel law and the mainstream press deciding to hold off-the-record meetings in Trump Tower.
This episode originally aired on November 30th, 2016.
50:5301/03/2017
Biglaw Steps Up for Child Coming To America
Elie and Joe talk to Gordon Caplan, co-chair of Wilkie Farr, about the firm's representation of Alma Kashkooli, a 12-year-old Iranian girl coming to the U.S. for highly specialized eye surgery in the midst of the administration's travel ban. From arguments in the Turkish airport, to seniors waiting on the courthouse steps to file emergency motions, the saga of aiding this little girl shows the importance of Biglaw pro bono work for people in need.
23:0824/02/2017
Everything You Wanted To Know About That Drone Spying Outside Your Bedroom Window (Rebroadcast)
In this rebroadcast episode of Thinking Like A Lawyer, Elie and Joe talk with a drone law expert about the expanding rights of drones and the diminishing rights of property owners who want to stop them.
Steven Hogan is an associate with the law firm Ausley & McMullen and practices in the areas of commercial litigation and state and federal tax law.
39:1731/01/2017
The Fashion Police
Elie and Joe talk about Apple, Samsung, knock offs, child labor, Melania Trump, and open toed shoes... in that order... with Fashionista editor Tyler McCall.
33:4919/01/2017
Awards For The Lawyer In Your Life
Joe and Elie nominate, debate, and pick winners for a slew of end-of-year awards. The prize money is in the mail. By check. Subject to shipping and handling.
30:2330/12/2016
Bonuses And Bowls
Joe and ATL Editor Kathryn Rubino discuss Biglaw bonus season as firms place the final cherry atop associate compensation after a tumultuous year of raises. Then they walk through college football bowl season and preview every matchup between teams with ABA accredited law schools because that's exactly what people thinking like lawyers would do.
35:3922/12/2016
Freedom Of The Press In Trump's America
Joe and Elie chat with libel law expert and former Bloomberg Global Media Counsel Charles Glasser about the state of the press going forward. Glasser explains why he's actually optimistic about freedom of the press, despite Trump's campaign rhetoric about "opening up" libel law and the mainstream press deciding to hold off-the-record meetings in Trump Tower.
50:4130/11/2016
Private Practice Tools and Tech Roundup
Joe and Elie talk to fellow ATL editor David Lat about the recent APP Conference in Philadelphia bringing together practitioners and thought leaders to discuss the future of legal practice. And Elie and Joe argue about public schools.
21:2418/11/2016
What's Up With The Philadelphia Market?
Joe and Elie have only ever worked in New York law firms, so they're taking some time to focus on the ins and outs of legal markets around the country. First up is Philadelphia, New York's kid brother, to find out exactly what goes on in this city that -- for some firms -- is paying New York-level salaries.
25:5524/10/2016
Supreme Court Preview: Waiting For Garland
Elie and Joe chat with SCOTUSBlog contributor and Supreme Court litigator Tejinder Singh about the upcoming Supreme Court Term. The docket lacks the blockbuster issues of past years, but there are still some critical cases pending before the 8-member Court.
30:2410/10/2016
Is LegalZoom Ruining The Legal Profession Or Enhancing It?
With Elie unavailable, Joe brings on Chad Burton and Nicole Bradick of CuroLegal to cohost a wide-ranging discussion with LegalZoom General Counsel and Corporate Secretary Chas Rampenthal about the role LegalZoom plays in the future of the legal profession from the perspective of both clients and other lawyers. We also ask the most important question: How well did John Travolta capture O.J. Simpson lawyer and LegalZoom cofounder Robert Shapiro.
27:4330/09/2016
Access and Name Dropping
Joe and Elie debate the Clinton Foundation, back to school issues, and the efficacy of taking classes with "famous" professors, just so you can name drop at parties.
36:0331/08/2016
Pokémon's Evolving Legal Landscape
Joe and Elie chat with Drew Rossow of the law office of Gregory M. Gantt in Dayton, Ohio, and author of Gotta Catch... A Lawsuit? about the legal challenges surrounding Pokémon Go. It's worth noting that technology moves fast, and since recording this episode, Niantic has released updates via Pokemon Go that have begun to address how both players and businesses can “opt out” and “opt into” the game, along with addressing some safety concerns with more interactive disclaimers.
32:0311/08/2016
Law Firm Salary Extravaganza
Law firms all across the country fell all over themselves last month to hike associate salaries. Elie and Joe chat with Professor Bill Henderson of the Indiana University Maurer School of Law, an expert in legal industry economics, to discuss what just happened and where the industry goes from here. Spoiler: he's not sure everyone should have given out those raises...
28:4528/07/2016
Summertime In Law Firms
Discussing the whole summer experience of Biglaw life. From summer associate etiquette to proper lunching locations, to living as a full-time associate in a world of summers, we discuss how to tackle the summer and reminisce about our own summer adventures.
33:0415/06/2016
Unveiling The 2016 Top 50 Law Schools
Joe and Elie chat with Research Director Brian Dalton about the latest law school rankings from Above the Law and trends in legal education. Do you want to know where you should go to law school? Do you just want bragging rights over your colleagues from rival schools? Either way this podcast is for you.
34:3706/06/2016
Making A Murderer's Dean Strang On Criminal Justice
Joe and Elie chat with Dean Strang, the breakout legal star --
if that's the right word for a documentary -- of Netflix's Making A
Murderer. Along with attorney Steven Chung, the gang chats with
Strang about the state of the criminal justice system and the
persistent plague of prosecutorial overreach.
19:2226/04/2016
The Hulk Hogan Leg Drop On The First Amendment
Elie and First Amendment Lawyer Marc Randazza talk about the Hulk Hogan verdict, the right to be forgotten, and how Europe seems to be getting along just fine without ruining everybody's Google footprints.
40:0907/04/2016
The Future and Past of the Supreme Court
Elie and Joe talk to Professor Peter Irons about Justice Scalia's vacancy and the often very personal stories of the people who bring their cases to the United States Supreme Court. Listen to Elie's mind being blown in real-time by a personal account of the life of Fred Korematsu.
33:4614/03/2016
Everything You Wanted To Know About That Drone Spying Outside Your Bedroom Window
Elie and Joe talk with a drone law expert about the expanding rights of drones and the diminishing rights of property owners who want to stop them.
39:0518/02/2016
Election Law Pitfalls Of Presidential Primaries
Joe and Elie chat with election law expert Professor Rick Hasen about the Iowa Caucuses, Ted Cruz's infamous mailer, and Citizens United as the presidential election kicks into gear.
31:5010/02/2016
Slave Wars
Do Droids have rights in the Star Wars universe? Are they "pets?" Does Jabba's treatment of droids reveal him to be more evil than the Empire? Spoilers follow.
28:0505/01/2016
A World Without Affirmative Action
With the Court seemingly poised to strike down affirmative-action in Fisher v. Texas, Elie, Joe and Renwei Chung debate how we got here and the future of diversity in higher education.
35:5022/12/2015
Here Comes The Bride... And The Lawyers
Elie and Joe chat with Robert Schenk of Schenk Smith and proprietor of the Wedding Industry Law Blog about the oft-overlooked legal minefield that is getting married. Venues, vendors, and "DJ-Gate" loom large as Schenk explains how he found this niche and used it to build his small firm practice.
24:3423/11/2015
The Customer Is Always A Sucker: Law School Economics
Joe and Elie chat with Slate Senior Business and Economics correspondent Jordan Weissmann about the economics of law schools. From Northwestern renaming itself for a huge endowment to a law professor taking to the media to say he sees no problem taking tuition from students who will never be able to practice, the economics of legal academia deserve a serious look. Is the model doomed?
29:1609/11/2015
Why Lawyers Are Good At Sex
Joe and Elie chat with Gary Ross of Jackson Ross about starting your own firm, the unique challenges of transactional small law, and his blockbuster Above the Law column about legal sexual prowess.
26:1726/10/2015
How To Debate For Your Job
Joe and Elie talk with Vanderbilt Career Services Officer Nick Alexiou about the legal job market, and the presidential job market.
34:1119/10/2015
Supreme Court Preview: Revenge of the Roberts!
Elie and Joe complain about the media's abysmal coverage of court cases before previewing the upcoming Supreme Court Term with a real-life Supreme Court litigator, Tejinder Singh, a partner at Goldstein & Russell (http://www.goldsteinrussell.com/attorneys/tejinder-singh/) and contributor to SCOTUSBlog. What's next for the Supreme Court? If you said, "a lot of pro-business decisions" you're probably right!
29:1302/10/2015
SportsBall
Elie and Joe talk with Steve Silver of The Legal Blitz about all the off the field problems associated with "OMG I think that's brain coming out of his ear"-Ball.
34:1714/09/2015
Kit-Kats, X-Files, And Starting Your Own Firm
Joe talks to Jared Correia, Assistant Director and Senior Law Practice Advisor at LOMAP and host of Legal Talk Network's Legal Toolkit and Lunch Hour Legal Marketing about what lawyers, especially small firm and solo lawyers, need to know about running their own firm. As one might expect, the discussion takes some twists and turns before ending up on the burning question: should you draft Tom Brady in your fantasy draft?
24:1431/08/2015
Is The Office Thermostat Sexist?
Joe chats with Kat Griffin of Corporate about women's professional fashion, the confusion of business casual and whether office temperatures unfairly target women.
26:3721/08/2015
Legal Feud
Joe and Elie take a break from the usual format to face off in a trivia challenge. Do you know your constitutional amendments? How about your Supreme Court history? Play along at home.
25:1210/08/2015
One Robe, One Vote
Elie and Joe speak to Rick Hasen, professor at UC Irvine and author of Election Law Blog. Professor Hasen explains the recent Supreme Court redistricting case, future cases regarding voting rights, and talks about the relationship between the Roberts Court and disenfranchisement. Joe argues for hope while it seems like Elie believes we should be led by a Platonic Philosopher King.
33:3109/07/2015
Free-Range Parenting
Joe and Elie talk to Matthew Dowd, a partner at Andrews Kurth. Dowd famously represents the Meitiv family, the parents (now cleared) of child neglect charges for allowing their children, 10 and 6, to walk through their neighborhood unattended. Elie expresses concern over letting children roam free, while Joe thinks independence is key to building character and Dowd walks through the legal landscape that governs parenting in America.
33:3125/06/2015
Law And The Marvel Universe
Elie and Joe chat with Joshua Gilliland and Jessica Mederson of The Legal Geeks about their legal careers and the legal issues surrounding the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Recorded immediately before the release of Avengers 2, they speculate on the legal issues that arise in building genocidal robots, cleaning up the aftermath of superpowered mayhem, and just how terrifying an entity like S.H.I.E.L.D. would be in real life.
25:1611/06/2015
2015 Law School Rankings Revealed!
Elie and Joe talk with Brian Dalton, Research Director at Above the Law, about the 2015 law school rankings published by Above the Law. The annual ranking of the Top 50 law schools in the country boasts some surprising shakeups at the top. After discussing the latest rankings, the gang discusses what really matters: what law school student body would win in a fight.
26:3028/05/2015
The Network: How Does The Law End Up On Television?
Elie and Joe sit down with Maria de Cesare, a lawyer from a major cable network, to talk about the fabulous life of an entertainment lawyer. After she stops crying, we figure out whether you should be jailed for killing a zombie, or a clone of yourself.
31:5206/05/2015
Up, Up, Down, Down, Sue, Sue: The Law of Video Games
Elie and Joe sit down with Ryan Morrison, aka The Video Game Attorney, to discuss the emerging legal issues in the video game industry and just how many genocide treaties humans breach in every video game ever.
37:1222/04/2015
Daddy Needs A New Pair Of Shoes!
It's March Madness time. Or, as a person with a rudmentary respect for trademark laws would say, "It's time for the NCAA Mens College Basketball Tournament." In this episode, we take a look at running an office bracket pool. But it turns out that gambling is illegal in most states. Why is that the case? Should we live in a world where we have laws that nobody even tries to enforce? Guest Steven Silver of The Legal Blitz joins the hosts to explain how we've gotten to the point where nearly every office worker in America breaks the law every March.
31:1312/03/2015
Introduction To Mayhem
In our inaugural episode, Elie and Joe take a deep dive into their own navels. What kind of person becomes a "legal blogger" in the first place? In the words of Admiral Stockdale (Google him): Who are we? Why are we here?
22:3912/03/2015