WMP#134: Inside Halliewood Recording Studio: Crafting a Modern Studio Environment
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EPISODE 134
Jordan Haversholm of Halliewood Recording Studio
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1. **Studio Environment and Name**:
Jordan discusses his studio, Halliewood Recording Studios, and how he created a modern environment conducive to creativity.
2. **Studio Technologies**:
He talks about his exploration of new technologies like Atmos and his plans to incorporate them into his studio setup.
3. **Importance of Well-Treated Spaces**:
Jordan emphasizes the significance of having well-treated studio spaces for accurate decision-making during recording, mixing, and mastering.
4. **Immersive Experiences in Music Production**:
The discussion explores the potential for immersive experiences in music production, particularly with technologies like Atmos, and how it enhances creativity and expression.
5. **Collaboration and Community**:
In this episode, we sit down with Jordan Hoversholm, owner of Halliewood Recording Studios, for an insightful conversation about the world of audio recording and studio technology. Jordan shares his journey in establishing his studio and discusses his approach to creating a modern and conducive environment for artists. He offers valuable insights into the evolving landscape of studio technologies, including new advancements like Atmos, and emphasizes the importance of well-treated studio spaces for creativity and accurate decision-making. Whether you're an aspiring musician or a studio enthusiast, this episode provides a wealth of knowledge and perspectives on the art and science of audio recording.
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Music.
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Welcome to the Wisconsin Music Podcast. This week we have Jordan Hoversham.
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Did I say that correctly? You did. Awesome.
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All right. And he is part of Haleywood Recording Studios. So,
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Jordan, welcome to the Wisconsin Music Podcast.
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Hey, thanks, man. I appreciate you having me. So let's give the listeners a
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little bit about yourselves.
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How did you get into music? And then kind of how did you get into the other
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side of the glass, so to say, in the recording studio? All right, for sure.
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Well, I was always kind of interested in music, and I played trumpet in middle
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school and high school, and then that transitioned to guitar lessons,
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and then I kind of was drawn more to rap and hip-hop and car stereos,
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and that kind of started my electronics wormhole.
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You know so fast forward
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a little bit out of high school i had a buddy who was going to mmi and i didn't
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really know you know what an engineer is like well you know a lot of people
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apologies mom and dad if you listen but a lot of people just think like oh you're
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a dj like yeah yeah i'm a dj.
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So he kind of just opened my eyes to like you know the first time seeing pro
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tools and seeing and recorded audio, I was kind of, you know,
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my, my nerd senses were tingly.
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So, uh, you know, that kind of opened that up and I ended up going to MMI with a buddy of mine.
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And then I moved back up to Eau Claire and just started working with rap artists
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or singer songwriters, pretty much, you know, anything I could accommodate in a bedroom studio.
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And then I reached out to, the couple studios around and would go out there
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for, you know, if I do like drums and then come back and do overdubs.
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And, you know, the dream was always to have my own place.
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And so last summer, I, you know, kind of committed to building this place,
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got a shed in the backyard.
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And yeah, since then, I've been Tim, the tool man out here, went to YouTube
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University, trying to figure out how to soundproof and drywall and wire everything up.
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Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. You and I are not kind of the same boat.
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I've been doing audio engineering for since the early 2000s.
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I went to the recording workshop out in Chillicothe summer of 01 or 02.
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It's a blur by now, but I'm a high school band director by trade.
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And I also run the recording arts club at the high school.
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So we have a lot to talk about today. Cool. Cool.
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So for our listeners out there, though, they don't really care about me, but more about you.
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So what are you where are you basically located and what do you feel is like your your niche?
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All right. Well, I'm a little north of Eau Claire. I was going to say,
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man, you you nailed the last name better than any substitute teacher I've ever
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had in my life. But the, the Hollywood, I named it that because Lake Halley
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is, it's like 10 minutes north of Eau Claire.
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So I'm actually not in the Madison area, but it's totally cool,
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man. I, uh, I probably put in my, you know, bio thing that I went to Madison media Institute.
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So I'm like a 10 minutes north of Eau Claire and you know, it's,
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it's pretty accessible as far as like highway 53 and 29 are like,
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I could almost throw a rock to the intersection of that.
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So you know it's i have some people from the
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cities from wausau you know
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pretty easy to get here but yeah then
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niche wise i i'm kind of trying
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to spread my wings a little bit by opening this studio i
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will say you know i although i was limited in my
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first well i graduated in
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same here i can't remember if it was 2011 or 12 but
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in or around yeah right you
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know mostly doing vocals vocals which you know after
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a certain time is like
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I you know I want to do more but I realized that that was maybe
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a blessing in disguise if you will because vocals you
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know as you know can be one of the hardest instruments to mix because everybody
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knows what a voice sounds like like if you're doing like synths and sample drums
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is like well the weirder the better for synths but But instruments like piano
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or guitar or especially the human voice,
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like we, you know, our hearing is tuned when we're born to, you know,
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hear our mother's voice and recognize that.
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So it's hard to fake that.
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So I just, you know, when I started to do things more than rap and hip hop.
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I just always fell back on, like, if the vocal production is right,
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then, you know, the vocalist is in the center of the stage for a reason and the center of the mix.
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So as long as that's believable, I mean, I'm not saying that the drums could
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be, you know, an afterthought, but I just, that was kind of what I hung my hat on.
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And I mean, now I'd, I'd like to think I'm, you know, more well-rounded than
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I was when I first started, but I really try to hang my hat on vocal production.
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Production gotcha so yeah i mean if
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you think about it majority of the people they want to
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go when they go see a band or whatever they want to sing along
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so if there's a very bad vocal production it's
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it's it's a major turnoff for some people yeah absolutely yeah it'll make you
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hit skip real quick yeah exactly exactly being that as vocals are being your
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your main thing but you're also kind of branching out you said you're in your
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back in your backyard yes okay so So how big,
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you called it a shed, but how big is your shed?
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Well, yeah, my buddies kind of clowned me for that. They're like,
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you got to stop calling it a shed, man.
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But I got one of those kind of pre-made sheds like there, you know,
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alongside of the highway.
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There's a couple of different companies. And I was lucky enough.
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There was like three different places kind of had show lots around here.
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So I could kind of walk through, you know, look at the roofs of the ones that had been around.
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Like, well, this one's a little slanted and the door doesn't close.
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I think I'll check the next guy's.
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So the plan was I was going to lay a slab and, you know, build it.
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A structure, but we have a side lot. And I got into it a little bit with the village.
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They're like, you know, if you want to build a slab, you got to combine your lots. We're on a corner.
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So property taxes that go through the roof, blah, blah, blah.
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I'm like, so what if I got a portable shed? There's like, they're like,
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well, there's not much we can do. I was like, right. Okay. Thank you for your time. Goodbye.
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So ordered that. And that came as a shell. and
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then it's it's 16 by 32 so
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the the control room is about
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17 feet and then you know i guess i i shouldn't be pointing for our audio and
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then the other so the the control room's probably like almost two-thirds of
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it okay and then i kind of sectioned out like a little booth and then the The
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rest is, depending on semantics,
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the, you know, the live room or drum booth. Right.
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But I tried to, you know, this has been a lifelong dream.
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And I know that, like, you know, if I move in the next house I go to,
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it might be like, well, this room is the studio.
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So since I had the chance to build it the dimensions I want,
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I kind of, you know, went through the wormhole of the Sepp Meyer golden ratios.
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Ratios, tried to make sure I
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wasn't setting myself up for modes and nodes that were going to build up.
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Like, you know, with an eight foot ceiling, you don't want your room to be 12
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feet wide and 16 feet long, or there's not enough treatment in the world to save your butt.
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So I tried to do due diligence there.
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Also, when I got the place, it had this, you know, cool siding, whatever.
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And I thought like a typical house, you're going to have like your plywood
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and then you're sheathing on the outside well the outside was
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the inside it was about a third of an inch thick so
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yeah my first move was to cut out
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mold and mildew resistant drywall to fit in
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every pocket of the studs then insulate that
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and then i built every room is a room within a room so there's you know even
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though it was all framed out i left a two inch gap framed out the control room
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then same for the other ones then like the ceilings of these rest on the walls
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of individual rooms so i i should have,
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you know, there's no way to test it until there's no 50% point where you're
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like, oh, is this going to work?
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It's like, no, when I put the last door on, it's like, did I do it right? Right.
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So I'm still patiently waiting that day.
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But I mean, I've been trying to, you know, really follow it to the letter because
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just everything that I read is like, look, if you're going to skip one step,
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then just don't do it at all. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's either you go full tilt or you don't do it at all,
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basically. Exactly. Exactly.
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So for listeners that are interested in coming up to you and doing some projects,
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for example, let's say a four piece rock band wants to come in.
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What should they prepare for when they're coming to your studio?
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Um well i wanted to build uh you know
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the the place big enough to be able to
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track it live if that's you know if bands are playing out a lot and they're
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super tight and that's how they always play it i wanted to be able to accommodate
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that even though you know most times in my past it had been kind of the brick
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by brick method so the live room is big enough for like a drum set.
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And I guitar player and bass and
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I have like an ISO room kind of built in the
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booth I mean I don't want to give you too many hand signals here
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and right show you but but essentially I kind of angled off in my last third
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of the shed the booth kind of goes to an angle and then like behind that is
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where like my electrical boxes the Cisco switcher for all the ethernet and all
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that so So that's also going to double as a ISO room.
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So that way, like if in the live room, I have drums, guitar player and his amp,
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you know, we could always put the bass amp in the ISO or the guitar amp in the
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ISO and run the bass DI and then vocalist in the vocal booth and everything's,
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you know, double walls, double doors.
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So in theory, I should be able to be at full volume in here,
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drummer bashing out there and the vocalist will be none the wiser. Gotcha. Cool. Cool.
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So let's back up even a little bit more. Say a band is starting to think about
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going to a recording studio.
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What are some things, some tips you could give a group, an artist,
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you know, what have you, before they even call a studio, what do you think they
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should be preparing for?
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Well, I, you know, there's, there's so many different, I guess,
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ways to approach recording nowadays.
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It's, you know, I, I'd say one is like playing to a click, whether that's even,
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just a singer songwriter or, you know, a drummer that can just be,
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if they, if you've never played to a click track before, it can be kind of jarring.
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And, you know, like I had a
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singer songwriter come in and he's kind of playing the song and
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I just tapped the tempo out and like five
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of the six songs at work but one of them it just didn't so you
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know then you got to go through and beat detective it but i just did that
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as a fail safe because i just kind of explained to him
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like if you if all we want to do
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is record guitar and vocals like that's
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fine but if you ever wanted to make these like full productions you know
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it just it gives us a little leeway there right you
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know put some scratch drums behind it and have
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a drummer come in or you know i'm capable of programming drums
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if you like how they sound we can ride with that and bring in
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a bass player but yeah i mean it just
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it can be different playing to a click it
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can be different playing in headphones so i
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mean i would even say like you know if a band's jamming
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out try to work some way that like even if it's like a little zoom interface
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and then you run some headphones phones and a splitter off that just so you're
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hearing the band and headphones as opposed to live that it you know might not
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sound like a big deal but it can be you know it can be.
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Very different and take you out of your comfort zone so if you come in here
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or to any studio you know like i can play it to a click i can play it not to
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a click i can play it without headphones i can play it with headphones that
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just kind of allows any method of of recording cool cool yeah Yeah,
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that's good advice. Yeah, definitely.
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You know, bands that I have had the pleasure of working with as well is like
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sometimes I say at least practice with a click.
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And when we get to the studio and if you feel really confident with your tempos
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and you don't want to do it with a click, but you've been practicing with it,
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you know, you guys are going to be able to do it well without it.
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If you're, you know, if you're listening to each other and you're just,
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you know, locked in because sometimes that happens.
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Yeah, yeah. No, you're absolutely right. Then it's like running with the weights
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off, you know, it just practice into the click. just tightens them up.
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Exactly, exactly. Now, what are some other things that you've experienced over
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the time of being a recording engineer that would help listeners out there that
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are looking forward to doing a recording project?
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Well, here's maybe something kind of cool. I just like to, if you just feel
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like you're kind of in a funk or I'm writing the same song over and over...
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or maybe a movie they've never seen and on mute.
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Right. And then just watch a scene and kind of score it, whether it be with
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just your guitar or or whatever, you know, because it'll it'll kind of get you out of your rhythms.
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Maybe. Yeah, that can kind of be a good thing to like shake things up and bring out some emotions.
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over and over and say you're, you know, writing down tempo kind of melancholy
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music is like, well, watch something happy and see what comes out.
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well, you know, I can't write sad songs. My life's pretty good.
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It's like, well, watch a watch a movie that can tear at the heartstrings a little bit.
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It and then you can almost you know put yourself in their
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position and then you know then the emotion
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that's coming through is still you know
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authentic although it might not be yours if you're
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like feeling for them i don't know if that makes sense
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or not yeah definitely yeah yeah you get inspired by
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something that you weren't even thinking about at that moment it's
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just like a complete shift it's like you took a right turn
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instead you know going left kind of thing yeah yeah yeah absolutely
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so what about the listeners out there
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that are interested in becoming a recording engineer what
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kind of advice do you have for them well first of all don't you better not like
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money well that's almost for every musician out there too yeah no no for sure
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i mean i'm like being a little tongue-in-cheek yeah i know i i mean i i will
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say too is like you know most most engineers,
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I don't want to say are failed musicians because we're all still working on our albums, right?
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They just, we just drop them every 10 years, like Dr. J or something.
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They're just slightly less anticipated.
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But I mean, that's a really what drew me to it is like going to.
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Going to MMI, you know, I wanted to be the all singing, all dancing producer, play every instrument.
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classes, they'd whip up an instrumental in the class period that I'd be like,
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I had worked for days on my composition and it doesn't compare to that.
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And they're like, well, you know, my dad was in the church band and yada, blah, blah.
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And then when it came to studio class, it was like, Hey, Jordan, my mic isn't working.
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Hey, Jordan. Hey. So it just, you know, for me, it was kind of a get in where you fit in type of deal.
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But I, you know, I would say like.
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It's, it's still a creative process and I try to, you know, that's what, um,
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gives me my creative fulfillment is, you know, mixing and mastering and coming
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up with ideas and trying wild stuff that may or may not work.
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But, you know, I would say like you have to be down with with the nerd aspect
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because I don't necessarily,
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you know, my buddies, they think that I'm like an IT guy, too,
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because I, you know, got my computer up and going.
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It's like, no, man, I know this percentage of computers and that's to keep my
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pro tools running, you know.
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So, but, you know, that being said is like, I feel like you have to be,
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you know, open to at least a little bit of electronics and, you know,
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I, and some things more than others.
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Like, I'm sure some people are far better at computers than me and,
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and all that, but like electronics is kind of, it's cool for me to see how stuff works.
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So I build like a lot of DIY kits and solder up preamps because,
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you know, you can buy a knee pre for 700 to a thousand dollars or you can get
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an AML kit for 230 bucks and.
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So I just mean maybe be ready to embrace the inner nerd because it'll come in
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handy with acoustics and things that I didn't even think of or we didn't even
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really touch on in school.
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Sometimes the schooling will give you the baseline to be able to understand
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the YouTubes you need to watch.
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You know what I'm saying? Yes. It basically, yeah, you learn the language in
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school and then you go down your own wormholes.
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And then it's like when you start getting into electronics, acoustics is like
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those can be their own discipline.
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You could just focus on that and stop engineering, you know,
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and be an electronics repairman or an acoustician.
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But I just try to stay open to all that and like, don't let it scare me.
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And I guess, you know, to answer your question, instead of just rambling,
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I just want to, you know, I'd say be open to things that even,
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you know, you don't know they exist or you haven't tried them.
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So you don't know that you'd be like, well, I could never understand that.
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It's like, well, like, trust me, I'm not the brightest crane in the box and
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I still can figure out my electronics and resistors and, you know, so. Right, right.
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Right. Yeah. And, you know, for, you know, for me, when I was starting out,
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I was like, schematics was like such a foreign language to me.
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I was just like, I don't know if I'm ever going to understand any of this,
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but if you just, you know, just like anything, if we just keep working at it
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and every failure is a stepping stone to success, eventually you're going to
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get it. Yeah, absolutely.
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No, for sure. And it's the same with an instrument or whatever,
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you know, picking up a guitar for the first time, like you're not going to be
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shredding in a week. No, it's going to get frustrating.
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And it's it's funny how sometimes, you know, that stuff will mirror itself,
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like with guitar, if you're practicing and it seems like you're getting worse
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and worse and then you set it down for a week and you come back to the song
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and you just lace it is like.
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Where did that come from? And it's the same with electronics.
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It's like you get to a mental block and you, you know, screw up a piece that doesn't work.
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And then you have to go and figure out why it doesn't work. And then something
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will just click like, oh, and now, you know, now I've overcame that and I'm
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ready for the next challenge, you know?
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Exactly. Exactly. You know, like the other day I'm, I'm setting up a MIDI keyboard
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and stuff. I'm like, why, why?
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I mean, it's getting signal to the channel, but it's not giving me any audio.
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Like what's going on? It's like, all of a sudden I went, wait,
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click this little button, like auto monitoring.
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Oh, now I'm getting exactly what I'm looking for. It's like,
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why didn't I think of that right away? It's just, sometimes you just get that little mental block.
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You just overthink something and you just like, oh, you totally missed something.
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it all comes back together.
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Together well yeah and it'll never happen again exactly
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you know exactly like that's in the toolbox now yeah
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exactly it's like if someone gives you all the
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answers you're not going to learn anything and then what good is that well yeah
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no i mean you you hit on something right there is like a lot of people will
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be like hey man can you teach me how to mix i'm like sure i'll teach you how
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to mix mix a thousand songs yep you know what i mean it's like that and i i'm I'm,
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you know, I don't say it in that voice. I'm being right.
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Right. But it's like, there's no other way you could, you know, it's good to read books.
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And in building this place, I started to feel more like a construction worker than an engineer.
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Yeah. So the whole time I'd be listening to podcasts.
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I mean, yours included in recording studio rock stars and working class audio,
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this, that, and the other.
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And that kind of helped me stay connected to recording. And then,
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you know, you're listening to those and they're talking about this trick that
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they did or how they got this, you know, reverb or putting a piezo pickup on an acoustic guitar.
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And, you know, all that little stuff is like noted, noted, you know,
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it's just in the vocabulary.
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Right. And then you have to go and do it or else you might forget all about it. Yeah, absolutely.
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So another aspect of being a studio owner is the business side.
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What are some things about the business side you can tell people that,
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you know, no matter if they're a musician or looking to become,
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you know, a studio owner,
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the things that you've learned over the time of doing this that you didn't even
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think might be something that you needed to know?
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answers the question, but like whether it's a band or a studio is like we all
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start doing it because we love it.
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And then in the initial stages, I mean, we all struggle with like the imposter
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syndrome and, you know, things like that or charging,
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because then a lot of people like even if initially I'm working with my friends
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and then you start to work with strangers, but like you're working on music,
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you're helping them create something that's very dear to them.
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Most of the people I work with end up becoming friends. So then is like money gets weird.
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Um, you know, with bands, I'm sure it's, it's the same type of deal.
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I've, you know, haven't professionally been in a band, you know,
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just my band days ended in high school, but like, I don't know.
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I, I just heard somebody kind of explain it and I'm sure I'm going to butcher
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it, but essentially they were saying like, if you don't charge enough,
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you know, or it could, because money always
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gets weird and man money will kill the creativity if you
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have that talk like i always try to have like the money
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talk first before somebody comes in here
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because i hate talking money like i hate money you know that's why i'm an engineer
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yeah but that can kill the creative vibe but what i had to kind of overcome
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is like you know somebody was just saying they're like look if you don't charge
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enough you're going to be out of this business business.
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So you, you have to, you know, not saying rake people over the cold,
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but you have to know your worth because if you don't charge enough and you're
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going to be out of business in three years,
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what if somebody was going to come to you in five years that was going to make
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like an album that changed their life or other people's lives or, you know what I mean?
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So it was like kind of that kind of helped me overcome the hump of like,
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well, if I want to be here being able to to provide a service i have to make
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sure that you know i'm i'm charging more than you know.
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More than i initially did we'll just
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say that because then things like taxes come in and you know wear and tear on
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equipment and tubes and you know it just it all adds up and that's the same
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with the band like you know traveling with gear i'm sure and then splitting
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money i'm sure that can be kind of, you know, a point of contention.
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So it's just like, you know, it sucks to have to look at it like a business.
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And sometimes that can take the fun out of it.
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But like, you know, knowing your worth will make sure that you're able to provide
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your service for longer.
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Gotcha. Gotcha. So did you do like research, like call other studios in your
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area, see how much they charge or how did you figure out where your medium or
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your baseline prices we're going to start?
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Well, I had, when I had my, my basement studio that I affectionately called the blanket for it.
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Cause I just had a bunch of moving blankets around, you know,
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that was my sound treatment. Gotcha.
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I had a couple of panels up and stuff too, but I had, you know,
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worked with, and I still have a, you know, a good relationship with most of
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the studios around here.
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So, you know, I kind of knew what everybody's charging and I'm,
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you know, not the most expensive,
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but I'm not the cheapest either so you do i mean exactly what you said you kind
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of gotta you can't price yourself out of the market either right you got to
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make sure the phone's still ringing but um.
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Yeah i mean it's it's a tough deal to kind of figure out what it's worth and
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then in the past couple of years with prices hiking and everything else is like
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you know i i had to raise prices too and then you know you got to have the conversation
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with people like you know i'm i'm not doing this.
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Just because i decided to like if if groceries
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double right then you know
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prices got to go up too i i can't i can't
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charge my three years ago price for a project today
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exactly exactly it's like is there is the
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bubble gonna burst eventually i mean we can't just keep hiking prices left
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and right you know the back end to the front end it's just
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gonna it's got to explode eventually like everything else
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well yeah they can't just keep printing more money right
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exactly i mean they are but i
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right stops yeah because eventually everybody's
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going to be living in a cardboard bought a box pretty soon if
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prices keep going up yeah no no for sure
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i mean i hope we're out of it and like in building this place too
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you know the other deal is is like i you know this place costs about a little
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more than i thought it was gonna yeah price has got to go up you know because
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i've invested in that and then you know but i do i did try to cut corners and
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where i could as in and DIYing the things I was able to, but,
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you know, I, I have a significant chunk kind of tucked away in here and I try
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to have like a couple of choice microphones and kind of, you know,
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and I might not be everybody's flavor either, but what I kind of tried to do and this,
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you know, a lot of studios up here and the ones that I work with,
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and, you know, this is, I'm not saying this in like negative connotations,
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but they kind of have like an, an up North cabin cabin feel.
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And like, if that's what somebody calls for and they're looking for,
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I'll give them numbers of the other studios and be like, you know,
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go talk to my buddy at this studio, talk to my buddy at this studio,
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talk to my buddy at this studio, go take a tour, check the vibe out,
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because that might be more suited to you.
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I want to do something a little more modern, which is kind of, you know.
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In the name of Hollywood, like the town up here is called Lake Halley.
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place we lived in. It was known affectionately known as the tank farms.
426
00:27:38,493 --> 00:27:41,233
And there's a bit of stigma up there, you know?
427
00:27:41,373 --> 00:27:46,293
And so I, I just said it, you know, I always would tell my friends when they
428
00:27:46,293 --> 00:27:48,633
were coming up, like, oh yeah, I moved up to Hollywood now.
429
00:27:48,753 --> 00:27:52,333
So then when we moved to this spot, I just, you know, I had a couple of studio
430
00:27:52,333 --> 00:27:55,913
names and people like, no man, man. That's, that's, that's you, that's your name.
431
00:27:55,993 --> 00:28:01,393
But I, I, you know, initially it's like the name is kind of to not take myself
432
00:28:01,393 --> 00:28:04,633
too serious, but at the same note, well,
433
00:28:04,953 --> 00:28:08,073
you know, I wanted to live up to the name a little bit and, you know,
434
00:28:08,073 --> 00:28:12,873
it, it looks pretty modern in here and you know, on my way to heaven at most.
435
00:28:12,973 --> 00:28:17,393
And I want to, you know, stay up on the newest trends and I, you know.
436
00:28:17,633 --> 00:28:22,073
Yeah. I was going to ask you about some of the new technologies coming up and
437
00:28:22,073 --> 00:28:25,033
how you're working with those for one of the things I was going to ask you is
438
00:28:25,033 --> 00:28:30,313
like things like studio or audio movers where you can do mixing over the internet
439
00:28:30,313 --> 00:28:34,173
with people or even recording and then and I was going to get over to Atmos
440
00:28:34,173 --> 00:28:36,093
and seeing if you're going to go that direction as well.
441
00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:42,613
Yeah I haven't I mean I've done a fair amount of research into the audio movers
442
00:28:42,613 --> 00:28:48,073
and Soundflower and things like that but I never ended up really doing a ton
443
00:28:48,073 --> 00:28:53,993
of you know the recording with no no latency or, or whatever.
444
00:28:54,293 --> 00:29:02,453
I don't know. I see, I put myself in a bit of a, well, I mean,
445
00:29:02,453 --> 00:29:05,433
you know, I was held through the pandemic. A lot of people couldn't,
446
00:29:05,433 --> 00:29:07,233
you know, we couldn't leave. We couldn't. Yeah.
447
00:29:07,813 --> 00:29:13,293
So I had kind of pieced together. I'd call, you know, my rep at Sweetwater and
448
00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:17,173
put together a package for people because they'd be like, okay, I need to record.
449
00:29:17,353 --> 00:29:19,353
It's like, well, what's your budget? What are you looking at doing?
450
00:29:19,453 --> 00:29:21,053
Do you need speakers? Do you just want headphones?
451
00:29:21,273 --> 00:29:25,293
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I ended up facilitating getting a bunch of
452
00:29:25,293 --> 00:29:26,773
artists around here, home studios.
453
00:29:27,073 --> 00:29:30,193
And now it's like, Hey man, you know, forget all that come in here now.
454
00:29:32,373 --> 00:29:36,053
But so instead of the audio movers route, I had almost, you know,
455
00:29:36,053 --> 00:29:42,173
kind of made people, you know, or help them be able to record at home.
456
00:29:42,233 --> 00:29:46,193
So I could just do the mixing if they, we transferred me the stem.
457
00:29:46,313 --> 00:29:51,593
Right. Right. And now I just kind of, I want to get in you know the ground floor
458
00:29:51,593 --> 00:29:58,093
things and you know have more than just like interface preamps and you know
459
00:29:58,093 --> 00:30:02,293
MXL mics and nothing against I'm not you know not knocking the brand in total
460
00:30:02,293 --> 00:30:04,893
I just mean like I wanted to have to,
461
00:30:05,992 --> 00:30:09,872
you know, higher quality. I wanted to have like the treatment in this room.
462
00:30:09,952 --> 00:30:14,732
Graham from Music City Acoustics gave me like four plans, mild to wild.
463
00:30:14,852 --> 00:30:18,192
And the wild plan was the whole back wall is bass traps.
464
00:30:18,352 --> 00:30:21,392
So I went with three of four on the crazy scale.
465
00:30:21,612 --> 00:30:26,312
But you know, I got the whole ceiling is clouds. I got bass traps in all four corners.
466
00:30:26,852 --> 00:30:32,972
There's about 16 panels around the side. So I I mean, it's a fine line between dead and tight in here.
467
00:30:34,352 --> 00:30:39,612
I auditioned my buddy in town that has Eau Claire Perle Audio, Zach.
468
00:30:40,872 --> 00:30:44,672
I found his store on Reverb, and he had like some barefoots.
469
00:30:44,812 --> 00:30:50,032
At the time, I had some ATC SCM20s, but I was looking at getting these PMCs.
470
00:30:50,652 --> 00:30:55,072
He had like three or four sets of like really nice monitors for sale.
471
00:30:55,112 --> 00:30:58,152
I'm like, listen, dude, I don't know who you are or how you,
472
00:30:58,232 --> 00:31:01,652
you know, what you're doing with all these monitors, but you let me know when's
473
00:31:01,652 --> 00:31:03,712
a good time to buy you a coffee. We need to have a little talk.
474
00:31:04,012 --> 00:31:07,032
So he, he brought his monitors over.
475
00:31:07,092 --> 00:31:11,812
I ordered the, these PMCs with the intention of returning them if my ATCs beat them out.
476
00:31:11,872 --> 00:31:18,632
So I was able to audition like four or five pairs of very nice monitors in my
477
00:31:18,632 --> 00:31:23,052
space, which, you know, would not be attainable usually.
478
00:31:23,092 --> 00:31:27,612
Like I can't go to Vintage King in, in Nashville or LA and audition them them
479
00:31:27,612 --> 00:31:32,432
or whatever you go to guitar center and it's like they're kind of on like a
480
00:31:32,432 --> 00:31:37,612
storage rack in a small glass room is like this isn't my room they don't even
481
00:31:37,612 --> 00:31:41,292
have all the ones i want and yeah so i mean.
482
00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:51,293
I just tried to get, you know, like bang for my buck as, as good of a monitoring
483
00:31:51,293 --> 00:31:52,333
environment I could get.
484
00:31:52,393 --> 00:31:59,553
And then that kind of led me down the Atmos wormhole and I have the ceiling firing speakers set up.
485
00:31:59,853 --> 00:32:05,513
I'm waiting to get the full array around, but before I jump off that deep end,
486
00:32:05,573 --> 00:32:07,893
I got to finish me live room here.
487
00:32:07,953 --> 00:32:11,513
I'm drywalling right now. So the lights at the end of the tunnel,
488
00:32:11,513 --> 00:32:19,813
But I do plan to have Atmos fully up and running, you know, by spring, summer next year.
489
00:32:20,053 --> 00:32:23,473
That's something that really, you know, really interests me.
490
00:32:23,513 --> 00:32:24,453
I think that's super cool.
491
00:32:24,533 --> 00:32:28,933
And I believe in it, even though like the 5.1 didn't take off.
492
00:32:29,333 --> 00:32:32,613
Just, you know, I heard a couple of people talking about it and just like,
493
00:32:32,633 --> 00:32:36,613
like we got to listen to quad mixes in school, the dark side stuff.
494
00:32:36,613 --> 00:32:40,113
Stuff and it's awesome but like a lot of people unless you're an audiophile you
495
00:32:40,113 --> 00:32:43,413
don't even sit in one space and listen you know
496
00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:46,633
i mean i even find myself doing it with my you know my
497
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:49,513
amazon devices you know it's like hey play this song play
498
00:32:49,513 --> 00:32:55,413
this podcast and i'm walking around doing dishes doing laundry right so just
499
00:32:55,413 --> 00:32:59,193
what's cool about the atmos is like the whole object-based thing where like
500
00:32:59,193 --> 00:33:04,853
you know as we know in if you have a stereo track and you're you're looking
501
00:33:04,853 --> 00:33:06,853
at edit in your DAW, unless Logic,
502
00:33:06,933 --> 00:33:09,213
I think they only like show one of the tracks.
503
00:33:09,313 --> 00:33:13,833
But anyways, you know, a stereo track is just two audio tracks linked to each other.
504
00:33:13,893 --> 00:33:18,153
The 5.1 mix is six of them. You have five speakers in your low frequency channel
505
00:33:18,153 --> 00:33:22,813
and there's just six waveforms. It's like this goes through this speaker, this goes through this.
506
00:33:23,033 --> 00:33:28,013
So the whole object based thing, that kind of sold me on it where like,
507
00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:33,773
you know, you can, if you have a soundbar that has three, three,
508
00:33:33,773 --> 00:33:35,493
you know, left, right, center.
509
00:33:36,053 --> 00:33:40,353
And then like, you can add two of the Sonos ones, just drop them behind you.
510
00:33:40,413 --> 00:33:44,033
And then as long as you let your interface know is like, well,
511
00:33:44,093 --> 00:33:45,333
what are we playing this through?
512
00:33:45,413 --> 00:33:48,813
One speaker, three speakers, how many ceiling firings, how many surrounds?
513
00:33:49,433 --> 00:33:55,453
It's just super cool to me. And you know, it makes me believe that that is the way of the future.
514
00:33:55,633 --> 00:33:59,553
And I also, you know, in my time of,
515
00:33:59,613 --> 00:34:02,373
you know, trying different things to see what sticks i've done a couple
516
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:05,213
of short films and i'm working with a company in
517
00:34:05,213 --> 00:34:09,633
town now that puts out a a fair amount of shorts it's like four people together
518
00:34:09,633 --> 00:34:16,273
a collective and i'm gonna you know be doing all their audio and so at most
519
00:34:16,273 --> 00:34:20,813
is like a must when it comes to that too yeah i just figured that opened the
520
00:34:20,813 --> 00:34:23,613
doors and i i also just found it cool that like.
521
00:34:24,358 --> 00:34:29,018
You know, people, I mean, in, in bigger cities where there's a lot more Atmos
522
00:34:29,018 --> 00:34:32,798
rooms, people are starting to create with the idea instead of like,
523
00:34:32,918 --> 00:34:36,778
Hey, take my true two track mix and make it Atmos like, okay,
524
00:34:36,778 --> 00:34:41,918
well I'll add a longer reverb for the side and a longer, longer reverb for the rear.
525
00:34:42,978 --> 00:34:47,278
Right. Right. It's like, if people are creating with the idea that this is going
526
00:34:47,278 --> 00:34:49,938
to be immersive, I just, I think that that,
527
00:34:49,978 --> 00:34:55,178
you know, can be like another way for people to express themselves or create
528
00:34:55,178 --> 00:34:59,658
cool environments or, you know, experiences for the listener.
529
00:34:59,718 --> 00:35:03,498
And I'm all in. I'm so. So, yeah, we were talking about Atmos. Now.
530
00:35:03,918 --> 00:35:08,278
Yeah. Cause you know, like you said, you know, quad was back in like the seventies
531
00:35:08,278 --> 00:35:12,958
and then we had 5.1, which came out, I think in like the late eighties,
532
00:35:12,958 --> 00:35:13,998
early nineties, I think.
533
00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:16,818
I'm trying to remember the dates when that started kind of. Yeah.
534
00:35:16,898 --> 00:35:18,398
No, that sounds about right. Yeah.
535
00:35:18,638 --> 00:35:22,378
And now we have this Atmos. And for listeners out there, if you're not sure
536
00:35:22,378 --> 00:35:25,738
what Atmos is, it's, I think it's up to nine speakers.
537
00:35:25,878 --> 00:35:29,658
I think it's like, what, two basses? And then you have ones above you,
538
00:35:29,698 --> 00:35:32,458
behind you, and in front of you, if I remember correctly how that sounds.
539
00:35:32,458 --> 00:35:37,258
Yeah. I mean, from my understanding, it can be like up to 128 speakers because
540
00:35:37,258 --> 00:35:39,038
like then Atmos mixes it.
541
00:35:39,058 --> 00:35:43,058
Basically, the theaters will use the same file as we would.
542
00:35:43,138 --> 00:35:47,298
So to mix in it, they recommend having at least because like the,
543
00:35:47,338 --> 00:35:51,478
you know, and I'm saying this for the people who have, you know,
544
00:35:51,498 --> 00:35:53,578
no, no experience or. Right.
545
00:35:53,798 --> 00:35:57,418
No prior knowledge. Like, yeah, you're 5.1 set up, which like,
546
00:35:57,498 --> 00:36:00,758
you know, a couple of my uncles had a couple of my buddies had in their basement,
547
00:36:00,798 --> 00:36:06,438
but nobody really used it for music because, you know, one,
548
00:36:06,618 --> 00:36:11,958
a lot of people don't sit still that long, you know, and like listen to an album. Right.
549
00:36:12,078 --> 00:36:17,478
And two, you had to buy the SACD or the DVD audio. audio. So another reason
550
00:36:17,478 --> 00:36:20,878
I think Atmos is going to survive is like right now, if you have iTunes or Spotify
551
00:36:20,878 --> 00:36:24,398
or Tidal, you can just go in and switch it to Atmos. And if you have like the.
552
00:36:25,258 --> 00:36:28,218
The apple earbuds the pro the newest ones yeah
553
00:36:28,218 --> 00:36:31,158
yeah then you can turn on immersive audio and
554
00:36:31,158 --> 00:36:35,538
like if you move your head the mix stays in front of you right you know and
555
00:36:35,538 --> 00:36:40,638
and that's pretty cool and just the the 5.1 was like you know left center right
556
00:36:40,638 --> 00:36:45,778
right rear left rear point one is your low frequency so that adds another point
557
00:36:45,778 --> 00:36:50,198
so whatever's after that the third number is your ceiling link firings.
558
00:36:50,598 --> 00:36:56,038
So for mixing, they recommend at least 7.1, 0.4.
559
00:36:56,398 --> 00:36:59,818
So in addition to the left, center, right, rear, right, rear,
560
00:36:59,878 --> 00:37:03,778
left, you'll also have two lateral channels about at your ear, a little bit behind you.
561
00:37:03,998 --> 00:37:11,018
And you can either have one sub or two, so 0.1 or 0.2, either a sub on each side or just the one.
562
00:37:11,238 --> 00:37:14,818
And then 0.4, so you have two in
563
00:37:14,818 --> 00:37:18,038
front of you on the ceiling and two behind you on the ceiling but you
564
00:37:18,038 --> 00:37:22,098
know i mean you can have 9.2.6 or
565
00:37:22,098 --> 00:37:26,778
you know a hundred point whatever the theaters are they i think they have up
566
00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:32,238
to 128 speakers is what the the theater mix will get and that's not even a different
567
00:37:32,238 --> 00:37:36,458
file which is the coolest thing to me right because it just copulates itself
568
00:37:36,458 --> 00:37:41,298
down into whatever format you're listening to from From mono to big explosive,
569
00:37:41,498 --> 00:37:44,118
like you said, theater type stuff. Yeah, exactly.
570
00:37:44,418 --> 00:37:46,818
And that is what also...
571
00:37:47,728 --> 00:37:50,628
You know, the reason I think it's going to survive is you don't have to then
572
00:37:50,628 --> 00:37:52,468
go rebuy your music catalog.
573
00:37:52,588 --> 00:37:55,748
You just click a button in wherever you listen to music already.
574
00:37:55,848 --> 00:37:58,768
And it's like, oh, boom, Atmos Mix. Cool. Done. Right. Right.
575
00:37:58,988 --> 00:38:03,728
Cool. Yeah. So the future of technology is going to be an interesting journey
576
00:38:03,728 --> 00:38:06,248
over the next, I think, decade to two decades.
577
00:38:06,428 --> 00:38:09,148
It's going to be interesting to see what's going to happen with all that kind
578
00:38:09,148 --> 00:38:12,148
of stuff, you know, because they might even start putting that stuff in your,
579
00:38:12,228 --> 00:38:15,028
you know, your cars and stuff, some kind of Atmos type thing who
580
00:38:15,028 --> 00:38:17,988
knows i think tesla is maybe either has
581
00:38:17,988 --> 00:38:21,028
done it or is you know teasing the fact because
582
00:38:21,028 --> 00:38:25,408
i mean what you know you're already in a surround environment
583
00:38:25,408 --> 00:38:28,588
you know with the speakers around you they just initially is
584
00:38:28,588 --> 00:38:32,108
like everything on the left plays one thing everything on the right plays another
585
00:38:32,108 --> 00:38:37,588
but you know if they just route it different then i'm pretty sure uh the tesla
586
00:38:37,588 --> 00:38:42,528
is going to be you know having the atmos compatible so yeah they're going to
587
00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:48,188
bring the a car mix to a a whole new level huh right exactly check my mix in the car.
588
00:38:49,748 --> 00:38:53,508
Is there anything else we haven't talked about that you think that you'd like
589
00:38:53,508 --> 00:38:58,628
to listeners to know about shoot i feel like i've been just tangenting the whole
590
00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:04,888
time i know man i i think uh you know you covered a bunch of it just you know uh i i want to,
591
00:39:05,628 --> 00:39:08,968
encourage artists who like the studio seems daunting or
592
00:39:08,968 --> 00:39:11,848
you know a lot of people i
593
00:39:11,848 --> 00:39:14,708
reach out to will you know somebody in
594
00:39:14,708 --> 00:39:19,288
the band records them and usually that's like the same guy who will do their
595
00:39:19,288 --> 00:39:25,228
live sound or something and i i don't know how to say this without sounding
596
00:39:25,228 --> 00:39:32,288
like i'm i'm being a jerk i'm saying this from a point of like experience yeah
597
00:39:32,288 --> 00:39:34,188
yeah and like also like like.
598
00:39:35,818 --> 00:39:38,918
For their sake to like realize your music
599
00:39:38,918 --> 00:39:42,498
to the highest quality like i've had messages with
600
00:39:42,498 --> 00:39:45,598
people and they're like well you know we went to a studio and it
601
00:39:45,598 --> 00:39:48,658
sounded the same as the blah blah blah you know
602
00:39:48,658 --> 00:39:51,638
when our bass player records it and it's like well what studio
603
00:39:51,638 --> 00:39:54,758
so then i do a little research and it's like well if they
604
00:39:54,758 --> 00:39:58,878
have like some perception 2020s
605
00:39:58,878 --> 00:40:02,498
and focus right sapphire or
606
00:40:02,498 --> 00:40:05,738
scarlet and your bass player has a
607
00:40:05,738 --> 00:40:08,678
focus right and then like wouldn't it
608
00:40:08,678 --> 00:40:12,178
be weirder if it sounded different right and so i
609
00:40:12,178 --> 00:40:16,478
just i wanted to have an environment that's treated where like the playback
610
00:40:16,478 --> 00:40:21,818
here i'm very happy with how it came out like this sounds better than any any
611
00:40:21,818 --> 00:40:26,298
room to my recollection that we had in school and there was like some pretty
612
00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:31,078
cool setups there and just that allows allows you, whether it's in the recording,
613
00:40:31,238 --> 00:40:35,618
mixing or mastering phase to like, to make decisions.
614
00:40:36,018 --> 00:40:39,998
With, you know, in certain rooms or even rooms that I've had set up initially,
615
00:40:40,198 --> 00:40:44,518
you know, where I'm recording in a closet in my, for the vocal booth and my
616
00:40:44,518 --> 00:40:47,018
speakers are in a corner or one's in a corner.
617
00:40:47,118 --> 00:40:49,638
So I'm getting way more bass from that side. It's like, then.
618
00:40:49,778 --> 00:40:54,778
You know, you neuter it and take out all the 200, 300 Hertz, go play in the car.
619
00:40:54,878 --> 00:40:57,838
And it's like, well, this, you know, know this don't sound
620
00:40:57,838 --> 00:41:00,938
right like you just took all the power out of
621
00:41:00,938 --> 00:41:04,138
it that's why you you did that with your eq right
622
00:41:04,138 --> 00:41:07,318
you know and i'm talking you as in me right i
623
00:41:07,318 --> 00:41:10,158
just you know i tried to set up a place that you know
624
00:41:10,158 --> 00:41:13,898
i feel can be like conducive to creativity and
625
00:41:13,898 --> 00:41:17,038
we're being able to you know make
626
00:41:17,038 --> 00:41:20,718
accurate decisions during all phases of it you
627
00:41:20,718 --> 00:41:23,558
know i feel like it's you know just like building this place like
628
00:41:23,558 --> 00:41:26,358
it's the little things that count and when they they stack up
629
00:41:26,358 --> 00:41:29,458
on each other like being able to hear like the separation in depth
630
00:41:29,458 --> 00:41:32,858
and i i had a lot of trouble before this
631
00:41:32,858 --> 00:41:35,698
room like getting reverb to sound right you
632
00:41:35,698 --> 00:41:38,478
know too little too much and i i kind of
633
00:41:38,478 --> 00:41:42,338
i think i cracked the egg here in when
634
00:41:42,338 --> 00:41:45,118
i would go to add reverb before you know
635
00:41:45,118 --> 00:41:48,358
you're putting on a fake reverb onto a sound that was probably
636
00:41:48,358 --> 00:41:51,318
recorded in a room that wasn't treated so that sound
637
00:41:51,318 --> 00:41:53,998
has a lot out a reverb then i'm adding a fake reverb in my
638
00:41:53,998 --> 00:41:57,158
speakers pumping that out into my drywall room which
639
00:41:57,158 --> 00:42:00,058
is then exciting the room so you're hearing like
640
00:42:00,058 --> 00:42:05,878
three reverbs only one of them is there where you know this here having it so
641
00:42:05,878 --> 00:42:14,438
so tight in here is like i i'm confident in adding spatial effects and things
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like that you know that is like this this is gonna translate and yeah you You know,
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I just, even though the live room isn't done.
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I've been having a lot of bands in to just come check the place out.
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Listen to some tunes, and it, you know...
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It makes me feel good when people are like, I've listened to this song for 15
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years. I never heard that organ part on that third chorus.
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You know, it's like, I'm like, oh, that's awesome. I love that.
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Because when that happens to me, I'm like, you know, I get goosebumps and stuff.
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And so I've just been trying to have people come in here and kind of get the
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vibe. And, you know, it might not be for everybody.
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And like I said, I have good relationships with all the other area studios.
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I either worked with them, still work with them, you know, still conversate
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with them. Like, you know, it's try to help each other out and be in the,
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not the scarcity mindset, you know, be in the blue sea, not the red one.
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Right. Exactly. Exactly.
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Where can people find you out in the inter web areas?
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Well, Hollywood.com is the website. And then like the Instagram and Facebook
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are Hollywood recording company.
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So I know that can be a mouthful, but yeah, H-A-L-L-I-E-W-O-O-D like Hollywood,
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but Hollywood and then recording company. Gotcha.
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And I'll put that all in the show details as well.
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So Jordan, thank you so much for being on the Wisconsin Music Podcast.
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It was a lot of information, positive and great learning things and tips and
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all that other great stuff coming from you.
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So thank you so much for being on the show. Well, man, I appreciate you having
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me and I appreciate what you're doing for, you know, for the community as far
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as engineers, venues, artists.
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It's super cool. And yeah, I appreciate your time and all the time you put in
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after hours as well to make this happen, man.
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I know it's not easy. Thanks. Thank you so much.
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Well thanks again for tuning in to another episode of
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the wisconsin music podcast once again i'm zach fell your
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host and creator of the wisconsin music podcast where i
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love to amplify the great sounds coming out of the wisconsin state we have great
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talent here great support great listeners thanks to fox city's indie radio for
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so make sure you check out the fox city's indie radio and thanks to this This week's guest,
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Jordan Hoversholm of Hayley Wood Recording Studios, for being on this week's episode.
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If you'd like to be on the show, just go to wisconsinmusicpodcast.com,
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