Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson
True Crime
Exactly Right Media – the original true crime comedy network
Welcome to Tenfold More Wicked Presents: Wicked Words, Kate Winkler Dawson's true crime talk show. On each new episode of Wicked Words, Kate interviews journalists, podcasters and authors about their fascinating behind-the-scenes stories from their investigations in the world of true crime, many of which have never been shared before.
Kate interviews Patricia Cornwell, the prolific true crime author about her book Portrait Of A Killer: Jack The Ripper – Case Closed, she heads to Texas with veteran journalist Rena Pederson to discuss her coverage of an uncatchable jewel thief during the swinging sixties, chats with podcaster and journalist Mandy Matney from the Murdaugh Murders Podcast and so much more. These are the stories behind the stories.
Also in this feed is host Kate Winkler Dawson’s true crime limited series, Tenfold More Wicked.
Season 12 - A Blessing and a Curse
Season 11 - Fire and Brimstone
Season 10 - Entitled
Season 9 - The Wolf Among Us
Season 8 - The Morphine Murderess
Season 7 - The Annihilator
Season 6 - The Echo of Murder
Season 5 - Blood Feud
Season 4 - Tiger Woman
Season 3 - Murder in the Court
Season 2 - The Body Snatcher
Season 1 - All That is Wicked
Wicked Words is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Hal Higdon: Leopold and Loeb: The Crime of the Century
One of the most famous crimes in American history was the murder of 14-year-old Bobby Frank. Two young men, Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb, wanted to plan the perfect murder. And they didn’t. Author Hal Higdon wrote THE book on this case, called Leopold and Loeb: The Crime of the Century.
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55:3004/11/2024
Karen Jacobs and Rob D'Amico: Shane and Sally
Here's our story this week: in the summer of 1988, 16-year-old Shane Stewart and 18-year-old Sally McNelly went missing in the West Texas town of San Angelo. After their remains were found, the mystery began. Texas Monthly reporters Karen Jacobs and Rob D’Amico pick up the cold case of two murders that have haunted their family, their friends, and generations of investigators. I talked with them about their podcast, Shane and Sally.
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01:05:3028/10/2024
Paul Thomas Murphy: Pretty Jane and the Viper of Kidbrook Lane
A murdered teenage girl. A suspicious, affluent family. And a lot of sticky social situations. They’re all in our story, which is set in nineteenth century London. Who killed 16-year-old Jane Maria Clouson? Author Paul Thomas Murphy details it in his book: Pretty Jane and the Viper of Kidbrooke Lane: A True Story of Victorian Law and Disorder: The Unsolved Murder that Shocked Victorian England.
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01:04:5721/10/2024
Abbott Kahler: Eden Undone
At the height of the Great Depression, an oil mogul from LA decided to escape society with his mistress to create their own utopia on a faraway land. The problems started with other people following them there. My friend, Abbott Kahler, is my guest today. She used to write under the name: Karen Abbott. Abbott tells me the story at the center of her book: Eden Undone A True Story of Sex, Murder, and Utopia at the Dawn of World War II.
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55:3914/10/2024
Jared Fishman: Fire on the Levee
Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans in 2005. Four years later, a young prosecutor in the Justice Department was drawn into examining a mysterious death after the storm. Henry Glover was found dead in a burned-out car two weeks after Katrina. And who he was last seen with became the center of controversy and reform. Jared Fishman tells me the story from his book: Fire on the Levee.
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01:06:3607/10/2024
Kathleen Brunelle: She’s Gone: Five Mysterious Twentieth- Century Cold Cases
I’ve said this many times: unsolved cases frustrate me. I need a solution, or a conclusion. But cold cases are so important: and my next guest wants to talk about missing women…several that are more than 100 years old. And she can use our help. Author Kathleen Brunelle tells me about her book called: She’s Gone: Five Mysterious Twentieth- Century Cold Cases.
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57:5430/09/2024
Anirban Bhattacharyya: Swipe Right to Kill
For this episode of Wicked Words, we travel to India, where some of the world’s most complicated, most compelling true crime stories come from. This story is one of those. It’s about a female grifter, turned killer, who seduced men for money, but murdered one…out of fear. The book we’re talking about is called Swipe Right to Kill. The author is Anirban Bhattacharyya.
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47:4223/09/2024
Colin Archdeacon: Ctrl+Alt+Desire
Filmmaker Colin Archdeacon had an unusual relationship with convicted killer named Grant Amato in Florida. Amato murdered his parents and his brother in 2018. And the media blamed his obsession with a cam model. But Archdeacon found out that Amato had very different motive. Let’s find out more about the three part series, Ctrl+Alt+Desire on Paramount +.
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01:03:4516/09/2024
Rebecca Morris: Boy Missing: The Search for Kyron Horman
This is one of the most shocking unsolved missing-child cases in the world. A 7-year-old boy named Kyron Horman went missing in 2010 in Portland, Oregon and he’s never been found. The last person to see him was his stepmother. Author Rebecca Morris details Kyron’s story and the mystery of his disappearance in her book, Boy Missing: The Search for Kyron Horman.
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55:0109/09/2024
David Dominé: A Dark Room in Glitter Ball City: Murder, Secrets, and Scandal in Old Louisville
I love a good murder story set in the South and this is an intense one. It centers on a vicious murder in a crumbling Kentucky mansion and a killer who managed to cover it up for months. Author David Domine writes about it in his book: A Dark Room in Glitter Ball City: Murder, Secrets, and Scandal in Old Louisville.
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50:0002/09/2024
Rena Pederson: The King of Diamonds
We’re now digging into a real Texas story. We’re talking about a brazen jewel thief in the 1960s who burgled some of the wealthiest homes in Dallas. But he was an odd thief. Sometimes he took just one diamond earring, probably because he knew it would ruin the set. He would put down a towel so he wouldn’t sully an expensive chair by stepping on it. Who was this jewel thief? Author Rena Pederson unfurls the story in her book, The King of Diamonds: The Search for the Elusive Texas Jewel Thief.
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55:5826/08/2024
Hedley Thomas: The Teacher’s Pet
This next story needs a trigger warning: it’s about the grooming and the sexual assault of children. But it was an important case in Australia and author Hedley Thomas tells it well. He details the murder case of Chris Dawson in his book The Teacher’s Pet. It was based on Henley’s record-breaking podcast that eventually attracted the attention of the Australian government.
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58:3419/08/2024
Brittany Caffet: The Shell Lake Massacre
In the summer of 1967, a family of nine was murdered in their home by a stranger in rural Canada. It was one of the worse random mass murders in the country’s history. There’s a podcast that covers the whole story called “The Shell Lake Massacre.” The host, Brittany Caffet, grew up not far from Shell Lake. And she has a very personal connection to the story…she’s close to one of the survivors.
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01:14:3812/08/2024
Wenguang Huang: A Death in the Lucky Holiday Hotel: Murder, Money, and an Epic Power Struggle in China
A murder conspiracy in China is at the center of a fascinating true crime story involving politics, greed and deception. There are no heroes in this book, but boy, what a drama. Author Wenguang Huang tells me about his fantastic book, A Death in the Lucky Holiday Hotel: Murder, Money, and an Epic Power Struggle in China.
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01:10:5505/08/2024
Michael Wolraich: The Bishop and the Butterfly: Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age
I had never heard of the tragic case of former Vaudeville star Vivian Gordon in 1930s New York. She had threatened some of the city’s most powerful men and at least one of them wanted her dead. Her murder in 1931 caused the downfall of the mayor of New York City. Author Michael Wolraich wrote a book about Gordon and her death called: The Bishop and the Butterfly Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age.
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54:5229/07/2024
Mandy Matney: Blood on Their Hands: Murder, Corruption, & The Fall of the Murdaugh Dynasty
I’ve listened to many versions of the story of the Murdaugh dynasty and I’m always interested in hearing new, fresh details. Well, author and podcast host Mandy Matney didn’t disappoint with her book, Blood on Their Hands: Murder, Corruption, and the Fall of the Murdaugh Dynasty. She told me details that I’ve never heard before after she talked with countless locals in the low country of South Carolina.
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50:4722/07/2024
Gregg Olsen: The Amish Wife
One of the most interesting aspects of true crime is how we’re able to explore cultures and societies that are unfamiliar to us. That was the case for me when I talked with author Gregg Olsen about his book, The Amish Wife. It’s about a killer in the Amish community in Pennsylvania. There are many twists and turns in this story, I promise.
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51:3015/07/2024
Patricia Cornwell: Portrait of a Killer: Jack the Ripper, Case Closed
Several years ago, Patricia Cornwell wrote a book about Jack the Ripper called, Portrait of a Killer: Jack the Ripper, Case Closed. This book presents Patricia’s opinion on his identity based on her extensive research. She believes that Jack the Ripper was a German-British artist named Walter Sickert. A controversial opinion, according to some Ripperologists. In this episode with the author, you’ll hear why.
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56:2008/07/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - A Blessing and a Curse: Panic
Lizzie Borden is acquitted but that section of Fall River isn’t free from its murderous past. Less than a century later, the nearby Catholic church is the focus of a mystery and a murder as Satanic Panic grips the United States. How will this end?
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43:0424/06/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - A Blessing and a Curse: Family Ties
Bertha Manchester and another familiar name are whispered throughout Fall River in connection to Lizzie Borden’s upcoming trial. Eliza Borden and her family's history will also come into play during the trial.
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45:1717/06/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - A Blessing and a Curse: …Took an Ax
Decades after the death of Eliza Borden, someone is murdered with an ax. Not Lizzie Borden’s parents, but an innocent farm girl. How is she connected to Lizzie Borden’s case?
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43:0710/06/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - A Blessing and a Curse: Drowning
In 1848 Fall River, Eliza Borden clearly needs help. She is struggling with depression and her husband, Lawdwick appears to be of little help. This will not end well.
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43:2303/06/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - A Blessing and a Curse: A Hellscape
On July 2, 1843, a deadly fire ripped through that section of Fall River, nearly destroying a large portion of the city, including the house next door to Lizzie Borden’s future home. Five years later in that house, the Borden family experiences continued tragedy when Lizzie Borden’s great aunt, Eliza Hathaway Darling Borden, appears to have severe post-partum depression.
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43:2827/05/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - A Blessing and a Curse: Cursed
There is a section of Fall River, Massachusetts spanning just two blocks, where several media-grabbing tragedies occurred over a century. These were not simple domestic disputes or deadly bank robberies, they were deaths that seemed so out of the norm that perhaps they were triggered by something other-worldly.
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45:2820/05/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Fire and Brimstone: Innocent
Thomas Cornell Junior is arrested and put on trial for his mother’s murder. Rebecca’s spirit, which visited her brother, was a central witness. Would Thomas be wrongfully convicted? Would he get away with murder? Or was he really guilty?
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45:2206/05/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Fire and Brimstone: Wronged
As investigators interview more witnesses, someone comes forward and recalls a disturbing conversation with Rebecca Briggs Cornell. She feared her son, but she was also severely depressed. Had she even contemplated suicide?
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45:1229/04/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Fire and Brimstone: A Wounded Family
Rebecca Briggs Cornell’s body is reexamined and something odd is found. Her son, Thomas, is interrogated for her murder if there was one. Was there evidence to prove the case against him in 1673? Is there now? Thomas Cornell Junior might be guilty, it might have been an accident and there may be other possibilities.
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45:3522/04/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Fire and Brimstone: Burned
Thomas and his family make a terrible discovery in his mother’s room one night in February of 1673. Rebecca Briggs Cornell led a respectable life only to have it end in tragedy. She’s buried, but she’s not gone. One night, Rebecca’s brother falls asleep and receives a supernatural visitor.
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45:1715/04/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Fire and Brimstone: A Cold Winter
Rebecca Briggs Cornell really dislikes her son’s new wife Sarah Earle. Rebecca is concerned that his daughter-in-law is violent. Her son, Thomas, neglects her and he clearly wants to take over the property, striking fear in Rebecca.
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41:1308/04/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Fire and Brimstone: Pioneers and Puritans
It’s 1673 in Portsmouth, Rhode Island. Rebecca Briggs Cornell and her husband Thomas are the town’s founders and have already survived a raft of trauma. They’ve seen their closest friend murdered in New York and were banished from Boston for their religious beliefs. Now they’re concerned about the safety of their family. When Thomas dies, their son Thomas Junior takes over the family property.
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46:5301/04/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Entitled: Consecrated Ground
John Chiswell is found dead in his home. Was it suicide, murder, or even an accident? The middle and lower classes of Williamsburg don’t believe he’s really dead. Are they right? Will Robert Routledge’s friend ever see justice for his death?
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44:4618/03/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Entitled: …Or Give Me Death
John Chiswell’s well-connected friends have saved him from a public jail, but they might not be able to save him from the noose. As his murder trial approaches, Chiswell goes quiet and that’s not good.
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43:1111/03/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Entitled: The Secret Court
John Chiswell holds a bloody sword, a blade he pulled from the body of Robert Routledge, a man he once considered his friend. But was it murder or self-defense? Luckily for John Chiswell…he has some very powerful friends.
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43:5204/03/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Entitled: The Mosby Tavern
One morning in June, John Chiswell visits a favorite tavern, only to be confronted by a drunk, abusive merchant. At least that was Chiswell’s version of events. So he picked up a sharp sword…and nothing good can come of that.
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40:5026/02/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Entitled: Treason
John Chiswell’s powerful son-in-law, John Robinson is gravely sick. Robinson is Chiswell’s most important business partners. They’re both keeping secrets and, if Robinson dies, Chiswell’s secret will be uncovered.
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44:5119/02/2024
Tenfold More Wicked - Entitled: The Virginia Elite
Colonel John Chiswell is one of Colonial Williamsburg’s most respected men. He married into a famous family and his daughter married one of the most powerful people in Virginia. But Chiswell’s life was a house of cards…and by 1766, it was teetering.
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44:0912/02/2024
Wicked Words - Michael Finkel: The Art Thief
This episode isn’t about a typical true crime story. There’s no murder, but there doesn’t need to be to make it a wild story. This is about manipulation, tragedy…and obsession. Lots of obsession. Author Michael Finkel documented all of it in his book: The Art Thief.
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45:3429/01/2024
Wicked Words - Robert Wilhelm: So Far From Home
One of my most favorite blogs is one called Murder by Gaslight. It focuses on historical true crime. The writer behind it is Robert Wilhelm and he’s also a nonfiction author. He tells us the story of Pearl Bryan from his book, So Far From Home.
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44:2522/01/2024
Wicked Words - Lisa Belkin: Genealogy of a Murder
A writer’s stepfather is a researcher in a prison when he meets a prisoner---and they’ll change each other’s lives forever. This is a tragic true crime tale about regret…lots of regret. Could one decision have saved the life of a police officer? Author Lisa Belkin tells us her very personal story from her book: Genealogy of a Murder: Four Generations, Three Families, One Fateful Night.
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49:5715/01/2024
Wicked Words - Casey Sherman: Helltown
In the late ‘60s, a serial killer stalked women in New England. His name was Tony Costa. He was unusual because he spent a lot of time drawing in his victims. We’ve heard this story from a woman who Costa babysat, but this is a different account. Journalist Casey Sherman tells the story from his book, Helltown: The Untold Story of a Serial Killer on Cape Cod.
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45:4408/01/2024
Wicked Words - Roseanne Montillo: The Wilderness of Ruin
I’ve been fascinated with the story of Jesse Pomeroy in 1870s Boston. He’s the boy who murdered kids for quite a while before he was caught. What does this story tell us about crime today? Author Roseanne Montillo talks about her book, The Wilderness of Ruin: A Tale of Madness, Fire, and the Hunt for America's Youngest Serial Killer.
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45:0901/01/2024
Wicked Words - Nic Edwards: The Delphi Murders
By now, most of you know the story of the Delphi murders. Actually, this wasn’t a case that I had kept up with. So that’s why this episode is interesting for me. My guest is Nic Edwards—he’s the host of the True Crime Garage podcast. He’s also an author. Nic wrote a book about the murders of Libby and Abby in 2017 called The Delphi Murders: The Quest To Find ‘The Man On The Bridge.’ He told me a lot of things about the case that I didn’t know.
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45:2918/12/2023
Wicked Words - William J. Mann: Tinseltown
I love 1920s Hollywood…it was full of glitz, glamour, controversy and murder. William J. Mann’s wonderful book: Tinseltown: Murder, Morphine, and Madness at the Dawn of Hollywood details the story of a mysterious, unsolved murder of film director William Desmond Taylor. Did Mann solve Taylor’s murder, 100 years later? Maybe.
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49:4611/12/2023
Wicked Words - Jennifer Wright: She Kills Me
Most of us know this, but women are just as capable of killing as men are. Yet most true crime stories cover men killing women, which makes sense, considering the statistics. Author Jennifer Wright wrote a book called She Kills Me. She did research on dozens of stories, where women are the killers. And now she tells us why.
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47:1604/12/2023
Wicked Words - David Nelson: Boys Enter the House
Most of us know the story about serial killer John Wayne Gacy. I frankly don’t want to know more about Gacy. But I do want to hear about his victims. So I had a great discussion with author David Nelson, who focuses on the boys who were Gacy’s victims in his book, Boys Enter the House: The Victims of John Wayne Gacy and the Lives They Left Behind.
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47:3627/11/2023
Wicked Words - Mikita Brottman: Couple Found Slain
In February of 1992, a 22 year old walked into a police station in Florida and confessed that he’d shot and killed his parents. He claimed that he had been possessed by the devil. He was eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia and ruled “not criminally responsible” for the murders on grounds of insanity. But after the trial, where do the "criminally insane” end up? Nonfiction author and psychoanalyst Mikita Brottman unravels the story at the center of her book Couple Found Slain.
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45:2020/11/2023
Wicked Words - Jillian Lauren: Behold the Monster
What would it be like to interview a serial killer? New York Times best-selling author Jillian Lauren knows. Her haunting account of confronting Samuel Little is detailed in her book Behold the Monster. In our chat, Jillian explains how she convinced Little to tell her where one unknown victim was buried.
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43:5613/11/2023
Wicked Words - Bryan Burrough: Stephenville
Best-selling author Bryan Burrough returns to his small-town Texas roots in the podcast, by Texas Monthly, called “Stephenville.” This season he explores a murder case that went cold for nearly two decades. To tell this amazing story, Bryan is armed with the newly discovered diary of the killer himself.
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45:4206/11/2023
Wicked Words - Alex Mar: Seventy Times Seven
The story of one of America’s youngest death row inmates is tragic and complicated. How did a young woman in 1980s Indiana end up in prison? Alex Mar unfolds her incredible book, Seventy Times Seven: A True Story of Murder and Mercy. It’s a journey about racism, anger, and forgiveness.
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53:4330/10/2023
Wicked Words - Maurice Chammah: Just Say You’re Sorry
Maurice Chammah hosts a podcast called “Smoke Screen: Just Say You’re Sorry.” It tells the story of a brutal murder of a woman who was disparaged by the police to secure a suspect. And that's just the beginning of the questionable techniques used by investigators, as well as the Texas Rangers.
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59:5623/10/2023