Ep. 57 Karra Beach: Calling the Cues Our hosts start out sharing the difficulties of working in the performing arts and why they have all had thoughts of leaving, and the brighter side of why they don’t and why they love what they do. Josh spends time catching up with an old friend, Karra Beach. They talk about her journey in and outside of the industry, engaging students in the performing arts, deeper engagement with their Broadway subscribers, the complexities of Broadway contracts, and more. We also learn that there is very little Josh won’t do for theatre (allegedly). Karra Beach is the Director of Broadway Engagement Programs at The Overture Center in Madison, Wisconsin (https://www.overture.org/) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 56 Sara Morgulis: Accessibility Isn’t a Checklist Danielle and Katie take time this week to talk with Sara Morgulis about theatre for young audience. Sara talks about what TYA/USA does, the organizations growth, her clear passion for accessibility in the arts, advocating for teaching artists, and so much more. Our hosts share the core tenets of their leadership philosophies and talk about the inviting role that accessibility plays in our industry. Sara Morgulis is the Executive Director at Theatre for Young Audience USA – TYA/USA (https://www.tyausa.org/)  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 55 Simon Shaw: Make Friends, Don’t Be an A**hole  This week's interview is a long-time in the making as Katie and Kevin sit down with good friend of the podcast, Simon Shaw. Simon shares his journey in the arts that took him from the UK to the United States and from being a promotor to founding an agency. He also shares the new challenges of booking in the arts. Simon references research from New Victory Theatre (https://www.newvictory.org/about/research/impact-of-performing-arts-on-kids/)  Our host continue the conversation and share what group they would tour with, given the chance. Simon Shaw is the Founder and Chief Trouble Maker at Shaw Entertainment Group (https://shawentertainment.com/)   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 54 Caroline Neyman: Change is Inevitable Our hosts remember moments their colleagues did something kind for them or made them feel special. Katie spends some time sitting down with her friend Caroline Neyman. Caroline talks about being at a performance venue from the ground up, imposter syndrome, being a parent in the arts industry, and more. Caroline Neyman is the Senior Director of Operations at Sonoma State University’s Green Music Center (https://gmc.sonoma.edu/) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 53: It’s an Anniversary Episode! It’s been a full year of episodes and this week the “Quad” Producers took some time to celebrate this major milestone and look back on 52 weeks of episodes. Thanks for all of your support and we are looking forward to another year of laughter and learning. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 52: Live From Our Booth at MAX Part 2 We are back with the rest of booth interview from MAX! The team spent three days in the Exhibit Hall at the Midwest Arts Expo, and while we weren’t talking to agents in their booths, we were talking to people in ours! This episode features 19 interviews! Included in this episode: Robert Baird, Jackie Banks-Mahlum, Kara Bechstein, Kiersten Birondo, Reba Cafarelli, Jason Cohen, Maltz Maryann Crist, Genevieve DeMerchant, Jared Duymovic, Anne Grove, Audrey Johnson, Spring Karlo, Jacob Kinderman, David Mitchell, Fiona Nagle, Carey Rayburn, Leslie Rodriguez, Jamie-Sue Seal, and Matt Travis Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 51: Live From Our Booth at MAX Part 1 How do celebrate a successful first time exhibiting? With a jam-packed episode of mini-interviews! The team spent three days in the Exhibit Hall at the Midwest Arts Expo, and while we weren’t talking to agents in their booths, we were talking to people in ours! This episode features 21 interviews! Included in this episode: Lindsay Bauer, Martha Boehm, Jorge Casco, Lisa Conlon, Tiana Conway, Margot Day, Etienne Gara, Victor Haskins, Ally Hayes-Hamblin, Steve Hoffman, Jeff Laramie, Chad Lindsay, Michela Musolino, Rocky Peter, Jessica Rosenblatt, Jennifer Ross, Bianca Saltaformaggio, Kevin Spencer, Steve Thithavong, Rory Trainor, Chris Vallillo   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 50 Peter Palermo: Be Okay with What You Don’t Know  This week Josh sits down with Peter Palermo at his venue The Sheldon. Peter talks about his journey to wanting to be an actor to production management to running a venue. He shares his approach to programing and the “Palermo Spice”, the unique and sometimes uncertain environment of working on a college campus, and buckling down to do the work. Our hosts talk about feeling comfortable with themselves and their position in the field, or their progress with that.     Peter Palermo is the Executive Director of The Sheldon Arts Foundation (https://www.thesheldon.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.  

Ep. 49 Katie Trzaska-Miller: Creating Connections Danielle and Kevin continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week we learn about our fellow host, Katie Miller. After a quick game of “How Pure Michigan is She?,” Katie shares her origin story starting as a dancer at a young age and eventually maintaining and managing an historic theatre on her own at the age of 23. Katie also shares her passion for her community, connecting colleagues, educating and bringing up the next generation, and having tough conversations about equity.   Katie Trzaska-Miller is the Senior Manager of Community & Group Engagement at the Midland Center for the Arts (https://www.midlandcenter.org/) Katie is also a mother, an active member of her community (both locally and in the arts community), and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 48 Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People On this episode Danielle sits down with a friend of the pod, Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a career in the arts. Through Tara’s story we learn about the challenges of visas, the differences in the arts between Canada and the US, the importance of community, and so much more. Our hosts realize they don’t know much about the differences between US and Canada culturally and talk funding and theatre for young audiences.   Tara Bailey is the Founder of Bailiwick Booking Agency and Arts Management (https://www.bailiwick.biz/). Tara also sits on the board of NAPAMA and AASPAA. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 47 Bill Blagg: An Overnight Success This week Kevin sits down with his friend and magician, Bill Blagg. With Bill’s help, Kevin shares some of the lingo from the magic world with our fellow hosts. Bill shares his lifelong journey to where he is now, the importance of hard work, how seeing his first Broadway show changed everything, and really highlights the business of show business. Bill also shares life on the road as a husband and a father.  Meanwhile, our hosts are making cat noises.   Bill Blagg is a magician, public speaker, entrepreneur, and more. For more information and to see Bill Blagg perform visit https://billblagg.com/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 46 Bryan Zellmer: Don’t Be Afraid to Show Your Silliness In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week Katie and Josh sit down with Bryan. Bryan shares his journey from marketing director to arts admin, how his programming style has shifted as our ecosystem changes, the pitfalls of “quality” art, and his passion for collaboration in every aspect of his life. He also shows off his natural storytelling skills sharing vulnerable, heartwarming, and hilarious parts of his life. Bryan Zellmer is the Director of KU Presents! at Kutztown University (https://www.kutztown.edu/about-ku/administrative-offices/ku-presents.html) Bryan is also a father, a mentor, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 45 How We Conference!   We are fast approaching conference season, and in the episode our hosts talk about their approach to conferencing. Choosing your conference, what to do before you attend, while you are there, and even following up. They even cover some tips on what to pack so you are prepared! You can find highlights, advice, and links in a PDF on our website: https://nobusinesslike.com/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 44 Ron DeStefano: Too Crazy to Make Up Josh and Danielle sit down with the ever engaging, Ron Destefano. Ron shares his journey in the industry starting with degrees in Music and Chemistry to performing full-time, to starting a management company. We even learn about his connection with Ariana Grande! Our hosts also discuss how important self-awareness, humility, authenticity, and passion are as we move through our careers in our industry. Ron Destafano is the Producing Director of EPIC Arts Management (https://www.epicartsmanagement.com/) and performing artist.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 43 Danielle Van Hook: Comforting, Yet Challenging In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, this week Bryan and Katie sit down with Danielle, and finally put her in the hot seat! We learn about the journey that led her to arts administration, where her passion for DEIA comes from and why it’s important to her, how she programs entertainment and keeps it accessible, and so much more. Danielle also shares her love of the Pocahontas Project (https://www.pocahontasproject.org/) and the podcast Seeing White (https://sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/) Danielle Van Hook is the Director of Youth Programs at The Alden Theatre in McLean, Virginia (https://mcleancenter.org/about/visit/the-alden-theatre/). Danielle is also a mother of twins, an ally, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 42 Mason Moss: Be Undeniable In this episode our hosts learn some new (and old) theatre terms in what was definitely not a game and Kevin sits down with Mason Moss. Mason talks about how he got started touring with the Book of Mormon, getting to conduct on Broadway, and gives some incredible advice to those just getting started.   Mason Moss (@bluesinmossflat) is the Music Director for the Book of Mormon National Tour (https://thebookofmormontour.com/) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 41 Jeremy Davis and Clay Johnson: Visionaries and Integrators In this episode our hosts discuss pivotal moments that that led to their careers. Josh and Bryan sit down with Jeremy Davis and Clay Johnson of The Fabulous Equinox Orchestra.  They discuss their beginning in music and how that developed into being lifelong best friends. Jeremy talks about the process of jumping off the cliff into music full time. We also dive into the concepts from rocketfuel and how important it is to have complimentary skill sets.  Jeremy Davis and Clay Johnson are the frontmen for The Fabulous Equinox Orchestra. equinoxorchestra.com Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 40 Josh Benson: Making Time In this episode we do something a little different and interview one of our own! Join Danielle and Kevin as they sit down with fellow host, Josh Benson. Josh answers the hard-hitting questions like which one of the seven dwarves he identifies most with and what prank he wants to pull on his fellow host. Eventually, Josh shares the journey from theatre to autobody work and back to theatre, his change in leadership style, the impressive arts driven growth in Marion, IL, his family, and so much more. Some of his mural work can be found here: http://marionmurals.com/ Josh Benson is the Executive Director of the Marion Cultural and Civic Center (https://marionccc.com/) in Marion, Illinois. Josh is also a muralist, father, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Join us at the Midwest Arts Expo (https://midwestartsxpo.org/) Booth #251 Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 39 Andre Bouchard: Erasing Invisibility of Indigenous People In this episode our hosts explore what their own states do or do not have in place from a systemic standpoint for the acknowledgement of Indigenous People that were native to those lands. Danielle sits down for a conversation with Andre Bouchard. Through this conversation we gain insight into not just the importance of land acknowledgements, but why the intent behind them is of much more importance. We learn about how Andre Crafted his roster of Indigenous performers and ensembles; and the importance of their presence on stages across the country. Andre Bouchard is the founder of Indigenous Performance Productions https://www.indigenousperformance.org Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 38 Chris Fontakis: Be Free to Fail In this episode our hosts discuss their favorite sketch comedy personalities, and Bryan sits down with Chris Fontakis; the founder of Serious Comedy Theater. Chris dives into his history with Upright Citizens Brigade , IO West, and The Groundlings. He also discusses starting his own company and what it meant to start it in a small town like Beacon, New York. Chris Fontakis is the founder of www.seriouscomedytheatre.com  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 37 Neil Murray: Be a Listener In this episode our hosts talk about their favorite concerts, and Josh sits down with an absolute legend, Neil Murray. Neil shares his unlikely path into the theatrical arts, his role as a member of the founding team of the National Theatre of Scotland (https://www.nationaltheatrescotland.com/), his time as Executive Director of the Abbey Theatre – The National Theatre of Ireland (https://www.abbeytheatre.ie/), and so much more. Neil’s conversation leads the hosts post-interview conversations on equitable theatre practices and the challenges to change.  Neil Murray is a theatre producer and an executive director.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 36 Karoline Myers: Because it is Wonderful This week's episode has our hosts talking about great pieces of family and educational theatre, and Katie sits down with Karoline Myers. Karoline shares her journey in the field, the transition from managing a program to managing a team, and the importance of educational programing. She also reminds us of the power of relationships and networking. Karoline Myers is the Director of Education at the Des Moines Performing Arts (https://desmoinesperformingarts.org/) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 35 Jacob Deaton: Work Hard and Be Patient In this episode we learn about the Quadproducers chores or jobs as a child that they felt instilled a work ethic in them. Meanwhile, Josh sits down with Jacob Deaton and learns how he took advantage of his Sunday service time to learn more about music, how that led to his development of skills as a guitar player.  We also learn how his secret drumset in high school turned into him being an accomplished guitar player.    Jacob Deaton is the Owner of https://www.georgiaplayersguild.com and https://www.shindigmyevent.com Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 34 Leah Keith: Ask More Questions  Bryan sits down with Leah Keith co founder, Creative Producer, and agent for Rhythm of The Arts Producing Agency. We learn of her background as a  Flamenco Dancer and on into her roles as an agent and eventually starting a new agency.  Bryan and Leah dive into the corporate and organizational structure of some large corporate agencies. Leah closes the interview with some fantastic advice for anyone getting into the industry or in leadership at all.  Also, our quad hosts discuss their early leadership styles and whether they were successful or not.     Leah Keith is Cofounder, Creative Producer, and Agent at https://www.rhythmofthearts.com/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 33 Adia Morris Swanger: Show Up in Places Where People Don’t Expect You Adia Morris Swanger sits down with Kevin to talk about the business skills needed in the arts and what Springboard for the Arts is doing to help provide those skills. Adia also shares the journey that led her to having a multi-faceted career in the arts and how she manages it all. Our hosts share their onstage mishaps and talk about life with kids while working in the arts.  Adia Morris Swanger is the Program Manager, Professional Development at Springboard for the Arts (https://springboardforthearts.org/) leading the Work of Art Program (https://springboardforthearts.org/professional-growth/work-of-art-program/). Adia is also a freelance theatre artist, writer, educator, and mother. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 32 Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time   Bob Bennett, and his impressive beard, join Josh for a conversation about Jazz, Jazz St. Louis, and all of the options of being part of the industry outside of performance. Bob talks about how change and growth takes time, vision, and a good team. Our hosts share their spirit/drink of choice, so now you know what to get us when you see us at “the hang” at conferences! The team also discuss more important topics like the economics of the arts and the many opportunities outside of just performance.    Bob Bennet is the Artistic Director/Director of Operations for Jazz St. Louis (https://jazzstl.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 31 Meena Malik: Don’t Be Afraid to Speak Up   Katie sits down with Meena Malik to discuss genuine relationship building outside of programming, focusing on the importance of the relationship between arts funders and those they fund or want to fund, the importance of building a relationship when inviting someone to have meaningful and potentially traumatic conversations, and more. Our hosts talk about impactful moments in arts education, and some resources for tough conversations in the EDI space. Seeing White: https://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/ Harvard Kennedy School Library Racial Justice Reading List   Meena Malik (https://www.meenamalik.com/) is a musician, arts consultant, facilitator, and mediator, who is known as a mover and shaker re-defining what conversations around equity in the arts look like.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 30 Anthony Wilkinson: You Have to Love What You Do Bryan chats with Anthony Wilkinson about his many paths into and around the performing arts. They talk about his hit show My Big Gay Italian Wedding, his start as a writer in soap operas, his public speaking, and his eventual journey to leading the Avenel Performing Arts Center. Our hosts discuss surprising audience successes, soap operas, and the need for open conversations around burnout and getting to proper staffing levels. Anthony Wilkinson is the Executive and Artistic Director of the Avenel Performing Arts Center (https://avenelarts.com/). He is also a playwright, actor, director and public speaker.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 29 Tracey Lawie: an a-ha moment; a defining moment Today we hear about our "Quadproducers" first Broadway experiences. Then, Josh talks with Tracey Lawie about Booking Broadway, and the importance of representation in the arts.  She discusses the rewarding parts of an art admin position, and how they are based in transformations. Tracey Lawie is the Director of the Miller Auditorium (https://www.millerauditorium.com/). Americans for the Arts- Arts and Economic Prosperity - Americans For The Arts Economic Study Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 28 Jonathan Burns: Making It More Ridiculous Episode 28 starts with our Quadhosts chatting about the weather and then into talking about the presence of our families in our spaces.  Then Bryan sits down with comedic magician Jonathan Burns as they chat about how he got into magic, how some of his funniest bits came about, and his post pandemic view on family and work-life balance.  Information about Jonathan Burns, as well as his tour schedule can be found at www.iheartburns.com   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 27 Dan Mann: Career by Accident In this episode, the pod squad debates their preferred handheld chicken preferences and Josh has an engaging interview with Dan Mann! Dan shares his journey to becoming an agent, starting a label and publishing company,  and now producing a TV Show.  Dan Mann is the Owner/Agent at Agency Etc (www.agency-etc.com) in Nashville.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 26 Mark Wilson: Take Those Risks This week, our hosts take a moment to reflect on teachers who had an impact on their lives. Brian sits down with the energetic, fountain of knowledge, Mark Wilson. They touch on a number of topics, including a masterclass on connecting with your entire community. Mark Wilson is the Executive Director of the Zoellner Arts Center at Lehigh University (https://zoellner.cas.lehigh.edu/home). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 25 Natalie Marrero: Ancestral Keys   On this week's episode, our hosts talk about the impact and their love of people who are passionate about what they do. Josh and Danielle sit down with one of these individuals, Natalie Marerro. Natalie talks about becoming an Executive Director at 23, the impact of Viver Brasil, and the importance of “Ancestral Keys.“ Natalie Marrero is the Executive Director of Viver Brasil (https://www.viverbrasil.com/). She is passionate about place-making for communities through art practices and has dedicated her career to preserving culture.     Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 24 Jerry and Adrienne Crane-Ross: Get to Know Your Marketplace   In episode 24, our hosts recall adjacent experience that loosely correlated to their current careers, and Josh and Kevin sit down to talk business with Jerry Ross and Adrienne Crane-Ross.  Jerry discusses his path to the industry through being in a band and managing a rehearsal studio while Adrienne recalls her path into the industry through being a sound engineer and then a multiple Emmy Award winning PBS Children’s producer. Both Jerry and Adrienne worked through these experiences into their roles as agents in their agency Harmony Artists. (www.harmonyartists.com) They also discuss how they built their agency as well as the important things to pay attention to as you come up in this industry.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 23 EALS: The Future is Bright!    We are joined by the student leaders of the Emerging Arts Leaders Symposium (EALS), Morgan Fuller, Faith Smith, and Lisette DuFore. Katie jumped at the opportunity to chat with the future leaders in our industry to hear what is important to them as they enter the field. Our hosts share what they thought they would be doing when they were still in college, and share stories of the big actions they are taking in their organizations. American University (https://www.american.edu/) hosts the annual Emerging Arts Leaders Symposium (https://www.ealsatau.org/) which is student led. Morgan Fuller (Executive Director), Faith Smith (Director of Finance), and Lisette DuFore (Marketing and Communications Coordinator) are part of the 2022-2023 Leadership.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 22 Dominic Moore-Dunson: Defining Success   On this episode, our hosts talk about safety leading into Danielle’s engaging conversation with Dominic Moore-Dunson. Dominic shares his creative process, including his perspective on how an audience perceives his projects after creation, and how becoming a parent changed the way he was making art. Dominic and Danielle also discuss the act of “trauma mining” in the arts and specifically funding of minority art works. As a note, Dominic mentions a story about a singer at Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” Speech, that singer was Mahalia Jackson. Dominic Moore-Dunson (https://www.dommooredun.com/) is a dancer, choreographer, podcaster, and all-around creative entrepreneur.  Dominic’s podcast inCOPnegro can be found here: https://www.incopnegro.com/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 21 Stephen Sunderlin: Theatre is an Apprenticeship On this episode, our hosts recall thing that drew them into booths at conferences, and Bryan sits down to talk business with Stephen Sunderlin. Stephen shares his story of moving to NYC and eventually becoming the Artistic Director at Vital Theatre Company. Stephen shares the benefits of connections, the details of producing new works, the importance of good marketing materials, and the value of being open to working every experience in theatre. Stephen Sunderlin is the Producing Artistic Director of Vital Theatre Company (https://www.vitaltheatre.org/) bringing to life productions like Pinkalicious The Musical, Fancy Nancy, and more! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 20 Michael Mushalla: Be Curious. Don’t Be Afraid.   This week's episode is another special one! It highlights Michael Mushalla who introduced our hosts, and helped us all think differently about what comes next.    Michael Mushalla is the Owner and Founder of Double M Arts & Events, LLC (https://double-m-arts.com/), as well as a wine consultant. Michael Mushalla along with Christine Cox created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There’s No Business Like...” together.    Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   *warning - there is some explicit language in this episode.   

Ep. 19 Christine Cox: Keep Dreaming Big    This week's episode is a special one! It is the first of two that highlights the individuals that introduced our hosts. Our hosts talk about getting that phone call, and then Bryan, Danielle, and Kevin share their conversation with Christine Cox. Christine shares her journey from playing a Princess to owning her own agency and gives incredible insight on the risk vs. Reward of artist acquisitions and contract types. Christine Cox is the Owner and Founder of C Squared Entertainment (https://www.csquaredentertainment.com/) and the Executive Producer of the Off Broadway Family-Friendly magic show, The Amazing Max (http://theamazingmaxlive.com/). Christine Cox along with Michael Mushalla created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There’s No Business Like...” together.    Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 18 Christi Dortch: It’s About What We’re Building Our hosts talk about their favorite experience on stage. Katie chats with Christi Dortch about her career journey, when to listen to what your community is ready for and when to push them. Katie and Christi also discuss the relearning of in person communication coming out of the pandemic zoom meeting norm.  The interview covers 3 things that you can use to shape your strategic plan and Christi discusses the function of state consortiums. Christi Dortch is a consultant in the nonprofit sector focusing on long term strategy.  Christi is also the Executive Director of Tennessee Presenters.(https://www.tnpresenters.org) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 17 Marian Liebowitz: What Puts Fire in Your Belly?   Our hosts talk about the instruments they played when they were younger, and the importance of arts education. Bryan takes an opportunity to chat with Marian Liebowitz about her teaching background and the importance of the business side of our industry, as well as her unique approach to curating artists. Marian Liebowitz is the owner of Marian Liebowitz Artist Management (https://www.marianliebowitz.com/) as well as a former performer and professor. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod  

Ep. 16 Josh Holliday: Creative Instinct and Arts Marketing    Josh Holliday joins our host, Katie, to demystify Arts Marketing by giving real examples of how to create a marketing plan, how PR differs from marketing, and more. Our hosts talk about their favorite marketing campaigns, and revel in the masterclass that Josh Holliday presented in this short interview.  Josh Holliday has a career in Arts Marketing, founded Fresh Coast Perspective (https://www.freshcoastperspective.com/), and is currently the Director of Communications at the Tennessee Performing Arts Center (https://www.tpac.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

    On this episode, Bryan sits down with Alaska’s Fiddling Poet, Ken Waldman. Bryan and Ken talk about Ken’s life on the road, his time as an educator, how he approaches his work including conferences, and even gives us a snippet of his work. Our hosts talk about trying to explain what it is they actually do, and explore the genuine approach that Ken takes to relationship building in the indusrty. Ken Waldman is a musician, author, poet, and founder of Nomadic Productions (https://kenwaldman.com/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 14 Larry Kosson: Give Each Other the Time  Our hosts reflect on their first mentors and the impact they had. Josh found some time at International Entertainment Buyers Association (IEBA -https://www.ieba.org/) Conference to sit down with Larry Kosson. Larry shares his origin story, and talks about his true passion, mentorship. Larry was awarded the 2019 Mentorship Award from the Western Arts Alliance (WAA - https://www.westarts.org/) . Larry Kosson is the Founder and President of Kosson Talent (https://kossontalent.com/)   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 13 Krista Bradley: Discomfort Breeds Growth We kick off this week with stories from past APAP (Association of Performing Arts Professionals) Conference before Katie dives into a conversation with Krista Bradley. Krista shares the journey that landed her at APAP, why cultural humility is important, and why you should listen to your impulses. Krista Bradley is the Director, Programs and Resources at APAP (https://apap365.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod  

Ep. 12 Pat Hazell: Capturing Creativity: Seinfeld to Wonder Bread   Our hosts talk about tech riders, before an engaging conversation with this week's incredible guest, Pat Hazell. Pat shares his insights on storytelling, “renting seats,” contracts, and shares his journey and only begins touching on his career.  Pat Hazell is a writer, producer, director, podcaster, comedian, and more. He is the founder and Chief Creative Officer of Sweetwood Creative (http://sweetwoodiscreative.com/) and the host of the Creativity in Captivity Podcast (https://www.creativityincaptivity.fun/) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 11 It’s a Holiday Party! Our hosts take a week off from interviewing to have a little holiday fun. Katie’s son, Leo, makes an appearance to spread some holiday cheer, we all play some games, and we share what we plan to work on in the new year. Want to give us a present this year? Thank you to all of you who gave us a listen in 2022 and helped get this podcast off the ground. Leave us a review! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 10 Jennifer Morris & Laurel Canan: Becoming Tour Ready Jennifer Morris and Laurel Canan didn’t start out in the arts, like most they discovered their path along the way. Bryan and Josh sit down with them to talk about artist management, being tour ready, and what led them to the industry they love. Our host chime in with their translatable skills from their jobs before the arts, and on the importance of good marketing materials. Jennifer Morris and Laurel Canan are with Seigel Artist Management (https://www.siegelartist.com/) and are both active in the field through various roles with NAPAMA, MAX, Arts Midwest, and more. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod