The classical economic assumption, from the days of Adam Smith, is that we all have free will and this freedom ensures the best possible outcomes for the economy, provided those decisions are based on greed and self-interest. This week’s episode opens with a student questioning Milton Friedman about the freedom of a man who couldn’t afford to pay his electric bill, so the power company cut him off and he died. Friedman says the fault lies with friends and neighbours who didn’t step in to support him. Perhaps they were too busy acting in their own self-interest. In a far-reaching discussion Phil asks Steve whether this is a failing of economics – and, if decisions can’t be made by free-will, who makes them? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ever wondered why Britain’s roads are riddled with potholes, why the trains keep breaking down and why there aren’t enough hospital beds? Simple. Britain is not making enough capital investments. Taking the public and private sector together, it amounts to about 6 percent of GDP, well below the 22% in the US - which has its own infrastructure problems. China can spend as much as 40% of GDP on capex projects. Steve says there are two reasons why Berit5ian’s infrastructure is failing. First, not enough engineers. There needs to be more teaching of STEM subjects in schools. But more importantly the adherence to the notion that governments need to balance budgets means capex investment is often pushed aside by more pressing short-term spending. Phil asks whether the sensible way forward is to allocate an amount of money for capex investment that sits outside the budget that the government tries to balance each year. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Steve Keen says he builds his economic model based on the motivation of three types of actors. First, the worker, who wants to maximise his or her wage. Then there’s the capitalist who wants to maximise profits. And the financiers who wants to lend out as much money as possible with the best possible returns.How does Steve’s model change if most businesses became cooperatives. Workers would also become shareholders, also wanting to see strong profits. They might also have other considerations, such as working conditions, which will impinge on the returns won by the capitalists. Financiers might lose out as the cooperatives seek to reinvest their funds in new lines of business.This week Phil and Steve examine how co=operatives change the model of the capitalist system and ask why we don’t see more of them. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What causes an economy to fall from a peak? Many economists will argue it’s exogenous shocks but, as Phil and Steve discuss, there’s not too many of those around. Maybe COVID was one, but even that came about because our economic system has drawn us closer to wildlife habitats. Or is it a lack of resources? We run out of capacity to produce more, whether it’s factories, people or natural resources, like fossil fuels. Does the shortage relative to demand force prices up and its inflation that ultimately kills growth.No, says Steve. Karl Marx had it right when he postulated that the rising pressure on wages will cut the profit that capitalists thought they would be earning, which would mean they cut investment. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.So, if that’s how economies peak, what is it that pulls hem out of a trough? And is there anything we can do to minimise the impact of business cycles, or are they simply the natural order of things? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It’s a sad fact that war can pay. The US arms industry is one major beneficiary. The UK is a long way behind, but it also a big supplier of armaments to the world. If governments of the world upped their defence pending to 3 percent of GDP that would see a massive increase in demand for weaponry. In Britian’s case it could re-engage the manufacturing sector and maybe even lead Britain back to a trade surplus. Phil asks Steve why we seem happy to see government spending on defence, supporting growth in the private sector. What a shame we don’t apply the same logic to helping other sectors grow – sectors that don’t involve killing people.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Phil tells Steve that he’s always struggled with Karl Marx’s idea of surplus value. The idea that workers work for themselves, then a bit more to create the profit for a business. Phil says, that seems like a cost-plus approach, whereas in his marketing days, it was all about creating a brand that people would pay more for. The extra value was created by the goodwill associated with the brand. How do you apply Marx’s theory of surplus value to a $1,000 Gucci handbag, for example. Steve says it still applies and explains why in this week’s episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Europe and the US are both recovering from the same problem – COVID and the inflation that followed. But last week the Fed in the US dropped interest rates by half a percent, with markets expecting a soft-landing for the US economy. Europe, meanwhile, is struggling, with Germany’s economy heading backwards for more than a year. So, when the big difference when both economies are coming from the same place? Steve Keen tells Phil Dobbie that the US would be struggling just as much if it restricted itself to the Maastricht rules on fiscal policy and government debt. Instead, Joe Biden spent big on the Inflation Reduction Act. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK’s unemployment rate is 4.1%, the inflation rate is growing at 3.1% and the economy is growing at 0.6% quarter on quarter. That’s how the economy is doing, what more do we need to know?Well, it would be useful to know whether the unemployed are predominantly in certain income groups, or that income growth was greater in particular parts of the economy Like, more for capitalists and less for workers?As Steve and Phil discuss this week, economists are building business models built on aggregates.  Breaking down aggregate data into functions in society, or income, will add a lot of extra complexity to models, but they would do a much better job of showing us what’s going on. For example, central bank policy right now aims to restrict spending and wage growth to tame inflation. But, even if that was the cause of inflation, what if those creating inflation by spending more on services, are distinct from those facing the consequences of central bank policy, losing jobs and paying higher mortgages?Steve points out that as the economy slows – and it has to because of climate change -  knowing the distribution of income and consumption becomes vitally important. Unless we are prepared to see the rich grow richer at the expense of everyone else.Economic models are built on aggregates of key variables.  Those aggregates hide distribution impacts. That makes it easier for central banks to pursue monetary policy without worrying about the consequences. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The pandemic was the biggest economic disturbance since the second world war. In both cases supply chains were severely disrupted, either by German U-boats or, more recently, factories and borders closed to stop the spread of disease. On the face of it, though, we have got off relatively Scot-free. We haven’t seen the massive fall in GDP experienced after the war. In fact we saw a sharper fall in GDP in the 2008 financial crisis.What is different is how we have handled the readjustment. After the war the focus was on growth, with very low interest rates, even though the inflation rate in Britain almost reached 17%. This time we’re told growth is again the focus, but the policies being applied, by governments and central banks, seem to suggest otherwise. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A couple of years ago, when warning of the need to fight inflation, Jerome Powell, Governor of the US Federal Reserve says interest rate would rise and jobs might disappear. Yet, interest rates have risen, and unemployment hasn’t fallen anywhere near as much as expected. So, what’s going on? Does it mean, thankfully, that monetary policy isn’t working as well as expected? Now the talk is of a soft landing, where jobs have been protected and inflation has come down. The work of fine tuning by the central bank, or just a coincidence. Phil Dobbie and Steve Keen talk about the interplay between jobs, wages, inflation and central bank policy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Some call it the silver tsunami. The wave of old people putting pressure on government budgets. And, as baby boomers retire and young people produce less and less children, western populations will continue to age. That means less productive capacity and more people dependent on welfare. On today’s podcasts Phil & Steve talk through the three options open to governments: flood the country with younger migrants to pay more tax, pay less and create a cohort of elderly poor, or rethink the idea that budgets have to balance. The last one is always quickly dismissed. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The last time interest rates were this high they came down rather fast. This time central bankers are determined to manage a slow unwind and deliver a return to growth without wreaking havoc on the economy. Will they be successful? This week Steve Keen argues the high interest rates are inflicting damage without treating the problem. Inflation is being caused by businesses increasing their mark-ups. But, Phil asks, surely they are only able to do that because demand is outstripping supply. And what should interest rates return to? Central bakers call it the R* - is there a danger if they assume it’s too high we could drive ourselves towards debt deflation? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Complex systems don’t have to be complicated to provided deep insights into the real world. That’s the view of Doyne Farmer, special guest on this week’s podcast. It’s an approach he shares to economics with Steve Keen. Steve develops systems from the top-down, whereas Doyne’s work focuses on agent-driven bottom-up modelling. But they arrive at similar conclusions. Phil Dobbie talks to them both about how we could arrive at a more accurate understanding of the economy and financial systems, which could result in better regulatory and planning behaviour by central banks and governments. Doyne also describes how he started down the road of complex modelling, using science to beat the casino tables in Vegas. Or more, get a copy of Doyne’s new book: Making Sense of Chaos– A Better Economics for a Better World. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It’s curious isn’t it how we talk about household savings, rather than net debt. Many people do have money squirreled away in savings accounts, for a rainy day. That rainy day comes when hey lose a job and need that cash to pay their mortgage. So we are saving to help pay off an existing debt at a later date. How cockeyed it that? A lot of that money tied up in savings, including funds we’ve put away for our pension, ultimately become the source for investment. That’s supposedly a good thing. More money for investment means businesses can borrow more, and the bigger the availability of funds the lower the interest that will be charged to these businesses. But the more we save the less money we spend, therefore the less demand businesses will have and the less the appetite for borrowing for investment. Phil discusses all of this with Steve Keen, who challenges a lot of the conventional logic around savings, debt and investments.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

So, if economics is all about the allocation of scarce resources, isn’t energy the most scarce resource? And yet its not really included in any economic models. We look at labour and capital as the drivers of growth, but energy is just a contributor to those factors, not a key factor in itself. Yet without energy humans wouldn’t survive and machines would lie dormant. This week Phil talks to Steve about the need to give energy the dominant position it deserves in economic models. As you’ll discover, it doesn’t have to be that complicated. Then, once we have a clear model we can use them to ensure that we deliver economic growth without destroying the planet. Simples. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We are obsessed with the need to own things, not least, our homes. But for younger people that is increasingly becoming a pipedream, unless they are lucky enough to gain a healthy inheritance. Even then it’s going to come later in life. In the meantime, we save like crazy, and even when we do get a house, we spend decades paying it off though a hefty loan form the bank. The finance sector are the big winners. But should we do away with this unhealthy obsession and rent our homes. A d should the government be the landlord most of us turn to, rather than a private property owner borrowing from their bank?  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The global share market has always been dominated by the US, now we’re seeing a number share of very large tech companies claiming a larger slice of that pie. Even though they are trading with price to earnings ratios well beyond the historic average, these companies won’t fail. They dominate the market, with billions of customers, low production costs, a low number of workers and the spare cash to vest in growth without the expense of extra capital. Phil asks Steve, what damage are these companies doing – to the share market, to the global economy and to investors. So we need to knock these companies down to size? Steve thinks not, but has another way of tackling the issue. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Labour has romped to victory in the UK and they need to get cracking on all their election promises. One of those is the creation of Great British Energy. Keir Starmer points to the number of foreign interests owning energy generation in the UK. But, as Phil highlights this week, foreign companies are also heavily invested in energy distribution and retailing. The National Grid is suffering from a lack of investment. Doesn’t that also need to be brought into public hands. And what about all the energy retailers who dd nothing to the picture apart from extra marketing costs, confusing plans and the risk of collapse. Phil asks Steve whether, if you add all of this together, isn’t there a strong case to put the entire energy delivery chain into public hands, from creation to delivery. But that’s not what Keir Starmer is planning., even though its accepted wisdom in most parts of the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the UK the proportion of the population aged over 65 has grown from 16 percent in 2000 to over 19% today. It’s a similar story throughout the western world as the population ages. That’s seen as an enormous liability for governments who will have to pay out pensions to their old folk. Hence the drive to get people to put money into private schemes. In the UK there’s over £2.2 trillion tied up in pension funds, more than AUD$3.4 trillion in Australia. So, what good is that money doing? It will be paid out sometime, but is it helping the economy in the meantime? Steve says it’ll doing a good job in driving up asset prices, but Phil suggests some of it is being invested in productive causes, like property development and private equity funding. The good and bad of private pensions on this week’s podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay recently launched the Greens Manifesto in the run up to the UK election. Phil and Steve discuss it on this week’s podcast and conclude the one thing that seems to have slipped down the priority list, is all the green stuff. They talk about fixing broken Britain, like every party, and correcting wealth inequality. They also promise that their ideas are fully costed, and can be paid for – for example, by a carbon tax. But they know they will never run government, so why pretend? Why not use their moment in the sun to return the debate to the fundamental issue of climate change. The future of the planet looks pretty sick when even the Greens push it down the agenda. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK election debate changed tune when Nigel Farage agreed to stand for Reform, promising to cut migration and rid the UK of all the problems these nasty foreigners are responsible for. Elsewhere the recent European Union elections saw a sharp shift to the right, again driven by concerns over migration. If Donald Trump wins again in the US at the end of the year that too will be gained on a ticket spreading fear and loathing over migrants. It is clearly an issue that can’t be ignored. Yet you have to wonder how many fo the proposals from the likes of Farage are workable, or effective. People in poor countries will always want a better standard of living.  Phil and Steve discuss whether it’s an aspect fo the world we have to live with. More importantly, is it being used to spread division and diverting attention from the real problems, like the underinvestment in public infrastructure. That’s down to fiscal conservatism and governments worried about debt.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Imagine if Keir Starmer, the UK Labour leader, had said, let’s not get too obsessed with government debt. If we go down that road we won‘t be able to provide the public services we need, our infrastructure will crumble further and we’ll simply see the country’s productivity erode further by the day. Unfortunately, he didn’t say that. Instead, he has pledged himself to the temple of fiscal responsibility, just like the Conservatives. That means, whichever party is in power the UK can expect something akin to the austerity that plagued the last 2010s. Phil asks Steve just ow much extra spending the government can get away with, though, when the Liz Truss experience suggests governments are answerable to the financial markets. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There’s been a debate brewing post-pandemic about how much inflation has been elevated by companies increasing their margins. The evidence of that is the increased profits, not just in the tech sector, which has helped increase the share prices of these companies, evidenced by record levels across the US share market indices. This week Steve Keen says its clear that is happening. Even before the pandemic, when inflation was lower, companies were still increasing their margins more than the level of wages, so workers were increasingly worse off. Hence the pre-pandemic stagnation. But companies need to improve their efficiency to fend off competitors and provided the rising returns that investors are demanding. So, isn’t the constant drive for higher margins simply an acceptable and necessary function of capitalism? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK is heading to the polls on July 4th and the Conservative Party is heading for annihilation. Yet, when it comes to espousing sensible ideas from textbooks, Rishi Sunak had the making of a good Prime Minister. For example, tackling productivity by building the necessary infrastructure, investing in education and building cities and regions where businesses could cross pollinate their expertise, facilitated by strong communication and transport links. He presented all of these ideas three years ago and since then productivity has fallen. Why? Steve says these are all great ideas, but there was no money there to support them. You can’t facilitate growth whilst pulling money out of the economy through government spending cuts. Hence, Tory party economics has failed on delivery.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Steve is on hols this week, so Phil takes a look back at a couple of Debunking Economics podcasts from just before Donald Trump took office. In many ways he stuck to his promises. He tried to cut immigration, he introduced protectionism with hefty tariffs on China and he cut taxes. Now he’s promising more of the same, although Biden might have beaten him to it when it comes to heftier taxes on China’s EV exports. The first time around Steve suggested some of Trump’s thinking was right, although perhaps for the wrong reasons. Tax cuts to boost spending seems like a good idea, but he directed it at high income earners in the false belief that they would use this money to invest in jobs to grow the economy. Instead, tax receipts fell and the new jobs didn’t materialise.He is also hell bent on making America self-sufficient for energy. America’s domestic oil production has been steadily increasing since 2016. Can we expect this to accelerate, given he has repeatedly declared climate change is a hoax, and the likely funding support he is receiving from the fossil fuel industry? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Should we tax wealth more? The UK’s Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reevs wouldn’t be drawn o the question at an FT forum recently. She said the UK is already a high taxing country. But around the world the wealthy are getting wealthier. Is that a bad thing? Some would say that if they are making money creating growth for the economy, then why would you want to stop them. Jeff Bezos, for example, makes a small fraction of the wealth of the economic benefit he has created for broader society.  But does it make sense that income from wealth – primarily capital gains – is taxed less than I come from work? No, says Steve Keen. It should be the other way round. Listen in for a discussion about taxing wealth, that’s a little more nuanced than just saying tax the rich. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

UK Labour leader Keir Starmer has said if he wins the next general election, within 5 years he will have re-nationalised Britain’s railways. Phil asks Steve whether it naturally follows that this will lead to an improvement in services and lower fares? Steve reckons you any need to look at government run services elsewhere in Europe to answer that question – but Britain’s trains weren’t so great even in the days of British Rail, when they were in government hands. This time there’s a chance one of the key areas of investment will remain in private hands, negating the advantage of public ownership.Railways are also an easy choice. Many franchise operators have fallen by the wayside, forcing the government to step in. Renationalisation was starting t happen by default. Ut what about water?  Nd, more significantly, what about the power industry. How can an industry that relies on making more money from customers operate in an environment where climate change is demanding we use less?Phil and Steve discuss how Labour’s plans only seem to scratch the surface.  Th direction of travel is right, but they don’t seem to be heading very far down the line. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The new industry is struggling to survive, with far reaching consequences on public accountability and democracy. Steve says part of the problem could have been fixed with a suitable micropayments system, so readers could consume articles without subscribing to papers in full. Phil’s not so sure, pointing to the fact that an increasingly large proportion of the population is not consuming news at all and what they do read or watch is on their feeds in social media. News media is having to resort to click bate on low-rent stories that will drive traffic and help drive advertising revenue. There’s little or no scope for investigative journalism unless it is funded by the public purse – but governments and reticent to fund such activities if they fear they will be caught out by it. So how do we fix the journalism deficit? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There are two types of people who buy gold. Speculators who see it as a risk-adverse asset class to buy when other investments look a little shaky. There are also those who hold onto gold because they believe paper money has no intrinsic value and is therefore susceptible to collapse. Zimbabwe, who’s paper currency has been undergoing decades of increasing worthlessness, is now being replaced by a new form of blockchain currency – the ZiG, completely backed by gold and foreign currencies. Phil and Steve discuss whether it’s a smart move for Zimbabwe, before looking at the broader global preoccupation with the stuff.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sadly for Donald Trump, America seems to have been doing quite well in his absence. It has weathered the pandemic and inflation better than most. GDP pr capita is rising faster than most places and consumer spending is on the up. In fact, the main reason the Federal Reserve isn’t cutting rates is because the economy is doing so well they don’t see the need for a sudden change. But there are lots of warts in the US too. Industrial production plateaued decades ago, crime is rampant, despite the high predisposition for putting people in prison, the rich-poor gap is as wide as ever and, even though America spends more than anyone on health, they have a comparatively low life expectancy. Has America lost its way, with China beating it on EVs and, possibly AI, with Boeing outstripping Boeing because their planes are less prone to falling apart? This week Phil and Steve talk about what needs to change, and what happens if more of the world decides not to conduct international trade in US dollars. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

For a while now Dr Edgar Feige has been a proponent of an automated transactional tax. The idea is that we get rid of all taxes – income tax, sales tax, corporate tax, excise, capital gains, import and export duties, inheritance – and replace it all with a tax on all transactions Every transaction, which can be easily identified through bank accounts, has a very small tax on it. Phil and Steve discuss the pros and cons this week. It’s certain broad in its reach, but is there a danger that it could penalise those on lower incomes. There’s certainly a question mark on how it addresses the hoarding of money or long-term investment in asset classes that show strong capital gains. Perhaps it needs to work in conjunction with some means of taxing wealth – but that means, already, the simplicity of a transaction-only tax disappears. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There’s been a lot of speculation lately about the role of immigration and its impact on inflation. Does a flood of foreign workers push down wages, which contains cost and keeps prices down? Conversely, did the low immigration levels post-COVID add to the wage pressures because, combined with sickness from COVID, there were a lot less people for every job vacancy. It sounds sensible, but Steve believes it’s only a small part of the issue. And if did have the potential to increase labour supply governments are often negating the benefits by failing to invest money into the economy, putting pressure on services and creating another inflation dynamic. We also hear from Ben, who has a few words to say on the recent Elon Musk episode and all the talk of emigrating to Mars. Apparently we ignored the sex angle. Ad Ben set the task for next week’s podcast. Feel free to add your own contribution by clicking on the mic logo at debunkingeconomics.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Bank of Japan has just lifted interest rates for the first time in 17 tears. The central bank has kept rates in negative territory in the mistaken belief that it would encourage banks to lend an people to borrow, helping to boost their flagging economy. Steve Keen says it’s based on the mistaken belief that banks lend money from their reserve accounts. They believed that by charging to hold onto the money banks will prefer to lend it out. If that was the case, the policy has been a dismal failure, with bank lending falling over the years the policy has been in place. So what next for a country with a shrinking, ageing population and massive private debt. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

One analogy that economists like to use is that of the Capitol Hill Babysitting cooperative in Washington DC in the 1970s. Government workers set-up a babysitting group, where they to it in turns to babysit each other’s children, so they could enjoy nights out without paying for childcare. There were quite a few on the group, so payment was formalised through the issuance of scrip. Economists like it because it mirrors a monetary system and suffers some of the pitfalls and problems faced in the economy at large. For example, the system quickly stopped functioning because some members would horde scrips, leaving others with none, and unable to go out for the night. The short-term fix was to issue more scrip, to get over this liquidity problem. Steve is concerned about drawing too many conclusions from such a microcosm, but it does seem curious how government workers are okay with issuing more Scrip for babysitters, but don’t see the need to expand the money supply in the broader economy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK Chancellor Jeremy Hunt delivered what is almost certainly his last budget, promising the usual stuff – more investment, more jobs, better public services and lower taxes. And, miraculously, all of this will be achieved by lowering government spending. Despite the rubbery figures, Steve Keen argues that the budget ignores the key principle, that you can’t increase GDP if the government is cutting back on money creation by trying to reduce its “deficit”. A get-out clause on that would be if the country was to see a sudden increase in the export/import ratio. That is in the budget figures, without any explanation as to how that’ll happen. So, what does a Steve Keen UK budget look like? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK Debt Office has started selling bonds to retail investors through the primary market Previously the only way you could buy government bonds was through financial institutions, through ETFs, for example. The reason giving for opening it up to consumers is that it will allow them to “contribute more significantly to meeting the overall financing requirement”. Hat makes it sound like they are concerned that there won’t be sufficient demand from institutional investors, including the banks. Steve Keen says what they probably don’t understand is this move will actually shrink the amount of money in circulation. That’s probably a bad move in a stagnant economy. To make matters worse, they ar ehell bent on selling off the government’s shareholding of the Nat West group, which will have a similar impact. Listen in to find out how and why. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Elon Musk has his fingers in many pies. Social media, space travel, internet access, AI. Even tunnel drilling. He’s grown from developing a modest series of online city guides, to being one of the richest men on the planet. Is he a genius, or simply a Trumpesque style wheeler and dealer? This week phil – not a big fan – asks Steve – massive fan – whether Elon Musk is actually good for humanity. It’s a chance for Steve to expound his theory that whatever else he is doing he is preparing the way for mankind to leave the planet and live on Mars. Disturbing news for Phil, who quite like it here, mostly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The concept of American Exceptionalism has been talked about for decades, mainly by Americans. Now the term is back in vogue because the US has shown the fastest recovery from the pandemic and subsequent inflation. It’s also a period of intense speculation in US shares, driven by phenomenal rises in the value of big tech stocks. Is this something the rest of the world should be worried about. Is American Exceptionalism real? To put things back in perspective Steve Keen reminds us that the share market is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme, and whilst the US might account for 70% of the market cap of global equities, it still only represents 11% of world trade. So it might just be exceptional at the wrong things. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rishi Sunak, like most politicians, is adamant that he can grow the economy by getting businesses to be more productive. But can businesses really grow the economy by themselves, if the government just gets out the way? You might think that by employing more people, or creating more widgets, you are helping the economy. But there’s one big constraint, which is how much money you have to spend. Without taking out a loan you can’t spend more money than you have in your own personal bank account. So, businesses that produce more will find there’s no market for any extra products, unless the supply of money increases. There are caveats, which are basically covered in the formula for GDP – but, by and large, Rishi Sunak is trying to encourage more spending by limiting the amount of cash we have by reducing government borrowing.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have central banks waited too long before dropping interest rates. Over the last week or so we’ve had Jerome Powell, the Governor of the Fed, saying inflation is coming down but they want to see more data before they’re convinced enough to drop rates. The Bank of England’s Andrew bailey said pretty much the same thing. And the ECB. But, as Phil and Steve observe this week, whilst we wait bank loans to corporations are falling rapidly, and in the US corporate bound issuance is also well down. Delaying rate cuts is hurting businesses who can’t grow and increase supplies to help reduce inflation. In fact, it is arguably making inflation worse. Steve argues this week that the main cause of inflation this time round has been margin profiteering by corporations, because demand is high and supply constrained. If companies can’t borrow to extend production, to retain profits all they can do is keep pushing prices higher and enjoy greater margins. It’s a long way from the monetarist philosophy which has been driving interest rates higher. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Yanis Varoufakis joins Steve nd Phil this week to talk about the thinking behind his new book technofeudalism. The ‘cloudists, as he calls them, aren’t operating in the market, they have replaced the market. They learn from us tell us what we want to buy and then sell it to us. Their capital is the algorithm they have developed, but also the information we provide in the records of our behaviour and the posts that we make. The result is a massive accumulation of wealth. But how sustainable is a model that sees so much money being made by so few people? Yanis says it’s not at all sustainable, and suggests a couple of ways that the governments of the world can respond, so that we benefit from the technology without destroying our respective economies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

If Trump has one sensible policy its his drive to reindustrialise America. Since he left the Oval Office we’ve had global supply chains challenged by the pandemic, wars and a downturn in economies we used to rely on for cheap goods. The financial advantage of outsourcing to Asia is losing some of its gloss, and the uncertainty of supply has to be a real concern. Add climate change to the equation, with haulage vessels mass emitters of pollution, there are even more reasons to produce more at home. But how realistic is it for a country like Britain to reindustrialise. Shouldn’t it be a priority? Or are we still wedded to the Ricardian theory of comparative advantage?  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is it right that the growth opportunities of businesses are determined by the vagaries of the finance markets. Companies wanting to raise debt through bonds or bank loans face higher costs right now because of the rise in interest rates. Someone with a great idea could be held back because of the cost of borrowing. Whether its borrowing or issuance of equity businesses will find an increasing chunk of their earnings are being fed to the finance sector. Increasingly, a sector that minimises risks by only lending to companies supported by assets. Phil and Steve discuss whether there a role for the government to be more involved in developing a higher-risk, lower cost approach to loans. And when it comes to smaller businesses managing cash-flow could a more amenable tax office be part of the solution?  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As you’ll hear at the start of this week’s podcast Warren Buffet isn’t a big fan of private equity firms. He says they lie, so they are not a good choice for investors, like pension funds, for example. But they are even worse for the companies being acquired by private equity funds. Morrisons is an example. A successful supermarket chain with a long, distinguished history, acquired by a US private equity fund, who bought out shareholders. Then, in true private equity fashion, employers are told that there will have to be savings made to cover the debt – the debt that was created by paying out shareholders for the acquisition. How is that fair on anybody, except the executives of the equity fund who benefit from the increasing equity in their portfolio, which they can enjoy at lower tax rates than a business out to make a profit. Is that how capitalism is supposed to work? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK government has been refusing the pay demands of young doctors in the UK who held a series of strikes in 2023. Their argument is that pay has been declining in real-terms since 2008. Unless pay catches-up there will continue to be a drain of new recruits, which will impact patient safety and put undue pressure on those left working in the NHS. Steve Keen says the government’s argument – that there just isn’t the money – ignores the ability for sovereign nations to create new money. There’s an argument that if you create too much it will create inflation, but that applies more to the generation of excess demand for goods and services. Nobody chooses to go to hospital. So, is the government’s end-game to destabilise the NHS and force more private health provision, so less of the cost appears on their balance sheet? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Our podcast listeners often ask which economics books they should read to get up to speed on some of the discussions we have, and to understand more about the way the economy really works. This week, for those with a wad of book tokens gifted to them at Christmas, we look at a selection that are worth getting stuck into over the holiday period including:Gleeson-White, J. (2011). Double Entry. Sydney, Allen and Unwin. https://www.janegleesonwhite.com/double. A beautifully written exposition of the evolution of double-entry bookkeeping.Bak, P. (1996). How nature works: the science of self-organized criticality. New York, Springer. https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4757-5426-1. An accessible explanation of a complex subject.Minsky, H. P. (1982). Can "it" happen again? : essays on instability and finance. Armonk, N.Y., M.E. Sharpe. Can It Happen Again? | Essays on Instability and Finance | Hyman Minsk (taylorfrancis.com). About twenty very well written short essays by Minsky that explain his approach to economics. Much better than either of his books.Lynas, M. (2020). Our Final Warning: Six Degrees of Climate Emergency. London, HarperCollins Publishers. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Our-Final-Warning-Degrees-Emergency-ebook/dp/B07YN9WSN8/. The best read on what climate change will actually mean.Adams, D. (2003). The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: The Original Radio Scripts. additional material by M. J. Simpson. (25th Anniversary ed.). London, Pan Books. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Hitchhikers-Guide-Galaxy-Scripts/dp/1529034477. An antidote to reality. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Central banks assume there is a natural rate of interest – a point of equilibrium at which the demand for loans matches the supply of loans. They believe if interest rates have been too low, they risk over-heating the economy, risking inflation. But does it work? Steve suggests that interest rates should be fixed, with control of the economy managed through government fiscal policy. But Phil asks, won’t interest rates always move? If somebody wanted to borrow money off you, and you knew there was few other places they could get a loan from, surely you’ll charge them more. Or if you fear inflation will rise, won’t you want to charge higher interest to compensate for the effective reduction in the money returned to you at the end of the loan? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Keir Starmer will be the UK’s next Prime Minister. Few things in life are more certain. So why did he see the need to write an opinion piece for the Telegraph extolling the virtues of Margaret Thatcher. He said she had freed up Britain’s entrepreneurial spirit. Really? She also created massive private debt, driven by a tax-incentivised housing bubble that together with market liberalisation, led to the growth of highly paid jobs in the finance sector in the south, whilst her industrial policy and attacks on unions saw northern towns laid to waste. Hardly a period of history you’d imagine a left-wing leader to look back on in a favourable light. Unless, of course, Keir Starmer isn’t really a Labour leader. Phil and Steve look back at the good and bad of Margaret Thatcher’s decade in power and the lasting effects it had on the UK economy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.