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All right, everybody, welcome back to the show.Today we're going to do something a little different, which I hope is maybe going to take the show in a new different direction.I've got some stuff in the works here.Today I have three guests.
I've never had a roundtable panel like this but I hope we get several more going and I'm honored to be joined with Thomas 7-7 and Pete Quinones.I also have my sort of
co-host, I think of him as like a co-host, even though he's only been on here one time, Stormy Waters, me and him have been cooking up quite a lot of content for the near future.
And we've been having some discussions on, uh, you know, what, what does the Trump presidency mean for the right wing?What, where's the right wing at now?And, uh, where are we going to go?What are we going to do?What is it going to look like?
How is it going to change, but also where has it been?Where is it coming from?So, We're trying to work out a series of roundtable discussions like this, and we decided that the perfect person to start this all off with would be Thomas777.
So I'm honored and proud and glad to have you here, Thomas, and Pete as well.Thank you guys both for coming on.Say hello.
Hello.Yeah, thanks for hosting me, man.Yeah, thanks, Mike.Thanks for the invite.
I was telling Pete I've been following his content for quite a long time.It feels like we're on the same trajectory. And actually, today's episode was inspired by a conversation that Thomas and Peter had.
They've been having a series of conversations on Peter's platforms, YouTube's where I catch it.And there's a lot of food for thought there.There's a lot of fodder for discussion.And I caught something Thomas said once.
Thomas, I don't know if you've elaborated on this elsewhere, but in the episode on Yaki that you did with Pete, You guys talked about Spengler and Yaki a lot.You said something to the effect of there hasn't really been a right wing since 1945.
And not only did you say that, but you said something like there can't be a right wing since 1945.But in that episode in particular, you didn't elaborate on that.But I'm not sure what you mean by that.
But I think that's a really good place to start this conversation we want to have here.
That's a subject of the manuscript I'm working on now.There's a couple of things that underlie that.
First and foremost, the Roosevelt administration was as revolutionary as the Third Reich and as the Soviet Union, the government that conquered the political structure of the Soviet Union.It wasn't revolutionary in the sense that
There's some sort of violent overthrow of the extant order or something, but it was a total restructuring of government.Okay.
And what came within the purview of, of federal mandate, what was considered appropriate, you know, ethically, philosophically, um, practically, um, in terms of, you know, uh, federal authority, this, this, this represented a total kind of change in perspective.
OK, you know, like the regime you live under today, it's not like the legacy government of George Washington or something.OK, it's it's it's the New Deal regime.
I mean, there's been changes to it, you know, like the Reagan administration deregulated a whole bunch of things. you know, and, uh, the financialization of the economy.
I mean, obviously that changes things, but the, the core of it, and it's most importantly for purposes of this discussion, we just asked me the core of it.It's ethical rationale.It's, it's kind of civic narrative.It's political theology like that.
That is a hundred percent, um, derivative of, uh, the new deal revolution.Now what the American right wing was after the war between the States. You know, despite Wilson being held out as this big liberal, like he wasn't in the contemporary sense.
He was a segregationist.He had he had a lot of love for lost cause historians.It was Wilson that commissioned all these Confederate monuments because it shall be foot called the agreement.
You know, in the decades that we're going to states was we honor each other's worded and like we recognize like the valor and honor of each other's, you know, politics and and and and fallen
servicemen, you know, and Wilson's, Wilsonian, like, nationalism, like, yeah, I mean, that's, that's very much like a post, a post-1789 kind of conservatism, which is itself, like, liberal in absolute terms, but
You know, it wasn't it wasn't like progressive and in terms like the social engineering regime that we think of it.
So you basically had even like the American left, like other than, you know, true radicals was fairly conservative and fairly right wing in absolute terms, like the American right.
was exemplified by guys like Charles Lindbergh, like Father Coughlin, like Robert Taft.It was, it was, they believed in Hamiltonian protectionism, like high protectionism, national economics.
They were basically white nationalists, you know, not in some, like, hard-as-fuck way, but, you know, they believed that immigration had to be restricted according to the national origins principle.
You know, they they were opposed to outside of the Monroe Doctrine's parameters.They were opposed to foreign intervention.You know, it was like the Republicans became like the America First Party.OK, now.Roosevelt's whole Roosevelt's whole.
Interest in the Second World War and and and more, more probably more relevant, like the ideologues within his administration.
Like, a lot of people look at Roosevelt as just some, like, big liberal and, oh, but his administration was also compromised by Stalinists or something.That's not the way, that's true, but that's not the way to look at it.
It was animated by this whole ideology of anti-fascism, which, like, Paul Gottfried points out, that's an ideology into itself, okay?Like, now, make no mistake, like, the US government, like, profited tremendously from World War II.
I'm talking, like, long-term.Like, war itself is bad for business.That's why, like, economic rationales for war are stupid.That's not why wars happen.They don't happen so people can make money.
But in absolute terms, America became a superpower because it destroyed Europe and Japan.Roosevelt's war wasn't like Churchill's war.It wasn't like the suicidal, incomprehensibly irrational
mission that that was undertaken because like roosevelt was some degenerate or because he was just compromised so i mean there was like a strategic logic to it if you can extricate any ethical judgments of you know historical nature you know like um but uh you know the whole the animating principle of it was basically
Roosevelt and his people, they looked at the future as we can annihilate any kind of, you know, what they viewed as like retrograde, you know, atavism, which manifested in terms like identitarian politics.
You know, we can divide the world up between the United States and the Soviet Union and this kind of like peaceful concord where there's like two spheres of influence.But ultimately, you know, there's not there's not enmity between the two systems.
You know, they kind of like evolve along with one another. They viewed fascism as basically a way to try and preserve outmoded concepts of the human condition.
I mean, it's more complicated than that and both more simple, depending on who we're talking about.But that was the entire ideology that underlay it.
the way that this was enshrined after when the dust settled and Europe was in ruins and Japan had been subjected to a nuclear assault and 50 million human beings were dead was, well, you know, some sort of formal order had to be instituted beyond simply the kind of whims of Moscow and Washington.
So the preceding system, which was the Westphalian system, which had basically endured since 1648, which was
you know, there's an equality of status between states where moral consensus reigns, you know, mainly Europe, plus America, the Russian Empire, later the Soviet Union, and then Japan.
You know, there's certain parameters within which war must be waged, but it's a legitimate policy instrument.It arrives like the seasons.It's just, you know, the reality of power politics.
The International War Crimes Tribunal declared that was all illegitimate. It said World War II happened because there was a criminal conspiracy of men in Tokyo and Berlin, and they were bent on world domination.
And everything they did incident to, you know, the kind of day-to-day function of government was tailored to annihilate categorically populations they viewed as inferiors or ops and to dominate the planet.So this can never happen again.
So, you know, Moscow and Washington with the UK is kind of junior partner.We're declaring ourselves to be the representatives of planetary humanity. And anybody who takes on these sort of fascist ambitions, they're a criminal.
That is illegal, and they're going to be targeted for destruction.Okay?That's literally what became international law.So you can't be right-wing after there was, you know, two superpowers plus what remains the United Kingdom just declared.
If you agree with these guys, what's in the communists just annihilated, you're a criminal and you're slated for destruction.
I mean, they literally just declared it illegal to be right wing and declared not only is it illegal, but if you take on these imperatives, you're an enemy of all of humanity on this planet.They unpersonned you.Okay.
So what happened in America was it's like, okay.After Roosevelt died and the new deal kind of started to lose its mandate.It's like, well, what are we? You know, the question was kind of answered, like Truman was an interesting president.
And I actually think he was like a pretty good president and about irrationality of, you know, backstage strategic situation.But Truman wasn't any kind of new dealer.OK.And what the American right was, it had been taffed.
And interestingly, if you read Kennedy's profiles and courage, it includes this kind of almost eulogy to Robert Taft.Like, you know, Robert Taft was a brave guy because he was wrong all the time, but he, you know, he fought a good fight.
Like, that was basically saying, like, it's no longer acceptable to think this way, so it's safe to kind of praise, like, what was the right wing.I mean, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.I think that's important.
But in any event, so post-1947, You know, you have Eisenhower, who's basically, Eisenhower was like some sort of like military emperor.He like wasn't really political, okay?Then it's like, well, what is the American right?
Oh, it must be Barry Goldwater.He's, you know, he's like this proto-libertarian gadfly.He wants to like abolish the IRS, and I mean, he was like a terrible candidate.But
The way to interpret that is not just because he was propped up as some kind of stiff who was supposed to lose.I mean, that was probably part of it, but it's like the American right, like, didn't know what it was, you know?So.
Then you get Mr. Nixon and like Nixon himself, he wasn't any kind of it's not like Nixon was some kind of like extremist right winger or it's not like Nixon was even trying to like rule as an imperial executive by, you know, by, um.
by executive order without regard to, you know, this separation of powers or something.But what began happening in America was you had LBJ, who totally defected, you know, from the Dixiecrat element.
And for context, like the South always sent Democrats to Washington, but they weren't like Northern liberals, like there were these Jeffersonian type, they're basically Jeffersonian white nationalists.
You know, there were guys who were like, reconstruction will never happen again.And there was, they would rather have died than like voted on a Republican ticket because that's the party of Lincoln is the party reconstruction.
But then the Dixie crabs got murked by Johnson going like 110% in on forced integration.So you get George Wallace who runs this like insurgent campaign of like America first, you know, um,
white nationalism, but not by like edict, you know, basically like restoration of free association rights and end of forced integration, you know, and end of the Vietnam War.
And Wallace was carrying the solid South, you know, like in the polls and stuff.Then in the North,
you had a bunch of ethnic white guys who were like into Bobby Kennedy, you know, Kennedy was kind of a crazy liberal, like a lot of like work in class, like Italian and Irish dudes and stuff like identified with him because they thought he was like a real man.
He stood up to mob guys.He was, you know, one of them. Like, Bobby Kennedy gets whacked, and suddenly, like, all those guys start, like, voting, like, backing Wallace.
So these Wallace rallies start happening, and it's a bunch of, like, Peckerwood, redneck guys, but it's a bunch of, like, South Boston guys, and, like, Brooklyn Italian guys, and, like, Slavic guys.
So you get, so what's developing is, like, this, like, mass coalition of, like, white dudes from, like, across, like, sectarian lines, across, like, ethnic lines, across regional lines.And this thing started becoming huge.
So, like, Nixon basically, at the behest of guys like Pat Buchanan and, um, like Halderman, he basically, like, takes on, like, that platform with some qualifications.
So the Nixon coalition is basically, like, the solid South, like, Northern white ethnics and, like, adjacent, like, non-white people who, like, hate liberals.And Nixon, like, utterly sweeps the country.You know,
And speaking of the Heritage Foundation and the Rockford Institute, as we did before we went live, last month they released in Chronicles Magazine like a great takedown of Watergate and how it's exactly like what they did to Trump or tried to do.
Because when this coalition, when this kind of like super coalition of, you know, like white Christians like ossifies and like goes into revolt, like the deep state like utterly like loses its fucking mind.
You know, um, and they don't know what to do.Okay?And that's basically what underlies these, I mean, I mean, the people, the individual people, like, go berserk about Trump, like, they're just complete idiots and, like, NPCs, like, are in the game.
They think, like, Trump's gonna take away, like, their gay porn or something, but, I don't know, or their pee on their cornflakes, but...
Like, in terms of the people at policy level and the people who are, like, orchestrating lawfare against them, what's in their mind is, oh, Trump's a fascist because look at the people who support him.
It doesn't really have to do with, like, Trump the guy.Like, Trump the guy, I don't think it's really political.I mean, I like Trump personally. But it's not like Trump is some guy like George Wallace.It's not like he's some guy like me, even.
Not that I'm so smart, but he doesn't hold the kind of opinions I do.He's not even really a guy like Paul Gottfried.Trump's like a normal New Yorker in his 70s.If you're a white dude from New York in your 70s, how else would you think?
But the coalition around him is a right-wing coalition in the purest sense, and that's illegal. It's illegal, it's unacceptable.
The regime in Uganda is literally structured in every sense to, like, oppose that tenancy and, like, annihilate it with military means if it emerges as a strategic challenge and to basically, like, criminalize it domestically.
But, like, what do you do when 70 million people, like, ossify around a tenancy?You can't just be like, those 70 million people are all bad people. Like, you can't do that and have any credibility or any mandate.Like, people just, like, laugh at you.
And, like, the police need to enforce your shit and be like, I'm not doing that.You know?I mean, so this is a problem.But that...
If I understood the question, and forgive me for, like, going on a monologue, like, that, that, that's what I mean, okay?
Like, philosophically, yeah, there's complexities, but if I get into all of those, we'll be here all night, but that's what I mean when I say, like, there is no right wing.
I mean, there is, it's people like us, but it's not, like, represented, and it's not, it's not Mitt Romney, it's not, you know, um,
It's not Fox News, it's not, um, it's not some, like, random Republican PAC that's, like, anti-abortion and wants low taxes.Like, I'm not even, I'm not saying those, like, bad things or anything.If, like, you know, like, honest, obviously.
But that's not what we're talking about.And that's not, like, right-wing in the sense that we need.It's only viewed that way because you live in, like, erratically, like, left-wing political culture.
So, like, anything, like, remotely, like, outside the norm, or, like, normal,
is like considered like oh that's like extremist you know because like you literally have this like social engineering regime that's premised on this like rabid anti-fascist ideology that's both like outmoded and outdated and um it's it's whole it's like raison d'etre is like trying to basically like eradicate people's ability to live historically you know so as to like make people more malleable to this kind of uh you know this this kind of rule by
you know, kind of in every aspect of, of social existence.It's, it's, it's like ridiculous.Like nobody, aside from the evil of that inherently, nobody thinks that way anymore.That's like, that's like 60 years out of date.
But yeah, that's, that's what I got in terms of, in terms of the question at hand.
That's great and it's been about an 80 year span since 45, the time you're talking about played out over almost 80 years at this point and we can say that it's pretty much been a long, slow or gradual, maybe gradual, I guess it's rapid in terms of historic timelines but
uh watering down of the right wing deracination of the right wing and sort of even uh expulsion of the right wing from institutional politics so like the guys you're talking about nixon and wallace in particular like these were like you know mainstream politicians one of them was the president of the united states and uh these guys represented a whole swaths of the population who were on board with their politics but now there's really nobody in office that that
I really think for my entire lifetime, definitely my adult lifetime, since I've been paying attention to politics for about 25 years, who can hold a candle to those guys.
But popular movements, organizations, coalitions, things like that, those two have been greatly watered down.But even if their individual politics are maybe the same, which I don't think they are, but even if you could say that they are,
They have definitely been declawed and Trump brought this resurgence.I would like to talk to you about the resurgence that happened 2014, 15, 16 with the first Trump election, but I don't want to start there.
I want to back up to the time period that you were talking about because you were talking about politicians and institutions and their support with the populace.
But at the same time, we're just individuals here, and we have some semblance of a movement, I guess, if you wanna say that.We have some groups, some coalitions.And we come out of this tradition that I feel there's been a huge break from.
There's been a huge break from the right wing in, well, the 50s of America, but also there's been a big break from some of the German thinkers and the Italian thinkers, who are all starting to come back now.
They're also, you know, you hear these names thrown around, Carl Schmitt, Spengler, Evola.But I really want to focus on Americans just because we have limited time here.
And I'm thinking in particular, like the John Birch Society, George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party.And of course, your guy, France, Francis Parker Yaki, who I don't know of him being
associated with any group or coalition or organization.
I know, I've read the Birchers talking very favorably about him, but I've heard others, Rockwell and others, really kind of rejected him over the course of his life and the decisions he was making politically.
So I'd like to, if you can, if you'd like to maybe sort of give the same rundown of those, you know,
Popular movements intellectual movements coalitions how they existed then I don't know if you were including those in your in your characterization of there can't be a right wing anymore But obviously the right wing now is demonized the John birchers.
They deserve their own episode on how they got taken down I mean, I think the birchers were fucking idiots, but I mean like I Those three elements you're talking about like the ANP the birchers and yaki.They were all on like a totally different tip
Oh, yeah.From each other, you mean?
Yeah.Yeah, right.No, I agree.Yeah.No, I wouldn't say you were suggesting otherwise.That's important.That's important to characterize.
But I'm comparing their politics to our politics now.
Oh, no, I understand.OK.The the Berkshire is basically I mean, it became as the Cold War set in.Like in earnest, and I mean, like especially when Korea jumped off. There's a good intellectual biography of McCarthy.
I can't remember who wrote it, but it dropped not long ago.
You know, despite what people claim, you know, like I said a moment ago, I don't think this is paramount to understanding the trajectory of the ideological trajectory of the regime post 1933, but there were over, this is what's documented, there were over 200 Soviet agents that infiltrated the Roosevelt administration.
It's ridiculous.Okay.So McCarthy, He started identifying these people.He's like, OK, we're in a state of war in all but name with the Soviet Union.And you're saying it's OK to be on record as a communist.I mean, it'd be like.
I mean, during World War II, if you were a card-carrying member of the Boone or the Silvershires, if you were a registered agent of the Third Reich, would they just be like, oh, that's OK.You're tipping at windmills if you say this is bad.
So there's this kind of ridiculous fantasy suggested that, as if the Soviet Union was imaginary, or the Cold War wasn't actually happening, and McCarthy was some crazy man picking on eccentric people or something.
And then what brought McCarthy down was Roy Cohn, And Roy Cohn, either his boyfriend or some guy who he wanted to get close to, this guy David Shine, Cohn started trying to flex on the US Army to get Shine out of the military draft.
So the Army's basically like, why are you so interested in this guy?And they started digging into Cohn.Cohn is very, very gay.So it's like, OK, McCarthy, your guy here
Your counselor record like he's trying to flex on the army to get his like boy toys.
I got other obligations That's what brought down the car if he wasn't he was indecent and picking on patriotic Americans because of imaginary Congress It says Roy Cohn basically couldn't control his his baser desires but Yaki
Yaki's whole point, first, last, and always, was, okay, after 1933, America is the mortal enemy of Europe, okay?You can't transform your mortal enemy into some benign element.So Yaki's like, how do we liberate Europe?
We liberate Europe by some kind of concord with Moscow, okay?So that's what he pursued. I believe he was on record with Czech intelligence and probably the Stasi.He absolutely was running around the East block and nobody can explain why.
When he was incarcerated in San Francisco, Willis Cardo went to meet with him.And he asked about George Lincoln Rockwell.Yaki said, I have no idea who that is.And he didn't.Because Rockwell was some like vaudeville crank.
He was some vaudeville crank telling N-word jokes and
Dressing up as some like TV wrestling villain or something like he was a jag off You know a guy when I saw an RN Taylor a few months back was interesting You know, I guys at his house like his wife has for dinner It was it was great, but he's like his takedown was he's like look.
He's like Rockwell thought he was John Wayne Okay, and Taylor knew the guy he's like you thought he was John Wayne He's like the man was physically tough even like in in his in his 50s or like late 40s or whatever You know, he definitely was not a coward
I, he definitely was like, like believed in like white nationalism, like calling yourself a quote Nazi and holding up signs saying, you know, I support Uncle Adolf's the gas cure.Like you're a fucking idiot.
Like, yeah, I mean, I, we make jokes and stuff too.And I'm not, I, I mean, I live in fucking Chicago, man.Like, it's not like I, I recoil at bad language, but that's just like Morocco, you know?And, um, and he knew it was, that was the whole point.
The whole point was like, be a fucking moron and like, and make people mad. You know, Yaqui was a real national socialist.And like Yaqui, Otto Reimer, these guys who had fought for the Reich, they basically agreed with Yaqui.
You know, and Yaqui's notion was like, look, you know, like Stalinism is a tyranny.Our people are suffering under it.Half of Europe is imprisoned by it.But the Stalinists aren't like socially engineering Europe out of existence, and America is.
You know, so it's like, would you rather like have a policeman like having his foot on your back?Would you rather be being like racially annihilated?And beyond the practical point was like, look.
Like if the Russians win the Cold War, he's like, first of all, they need us.They need Europe like intact for its techniques, for its mentioned material, for all of that.You know, and he's like.
again too he's like eventually you know even if soviet domination is perennial like if anything they're going to become like us not like us like them you know a lot of like the russians like putin was an outlier because he was kgb i think kgb and g are you guys these russian guys and occupied east germany most of them didn't even speak german and they didn't want to like this it's like there was like this kind of
It was like this quarantine between the occupier, and you weren't supposed to fraternize with them.You weren't supposed to take on their habits.It was almost deliberate that the Soviets, yeah, they'd crush your clergy.
They'd arrest you for having a typewriter.But they're not going to say, you're not German anymore.You're just a citizen of this planet.We're going to import African immigrants and tell your daughter to marry one.That was not even on their program.
They would have thought that was insane. you know, like, that's the difference.So and he was looking ahead, like a couple hundred years, you know, and frankly, he was right.Like, where, where, where, where are Europeans like not mindfucked?
Eastern Germany, you know, Slovakia, you know, places like that, you know, like the Russian Federation has terrible problems, but they're, they're not, they're not, they're not promoting to children that they should be transsexual.
They're not, like, declaring that Russia is too white and, you know, needs to atone for this.And it's, like, not even remotely within their contemplation.You know, like, so what these fools claim about Yagyar is he was a third worldist.
Or, like, it's like, no, he's not.You're a fucking idiot.That's not what he's saying.He's not saying, like, Russia is good.He's not saying the Soviets are good.He's saying that Europe is under occupation.
Do you want to be eradicated from history, or would you rather just have the Russians cracking the whip on you?
And yeah, that's not a good prospect either way, but there's a way out of the one where you survive and arguably thrive, admittedly a century subsequent, and there's one where you cease to exist.
You can never make the choice to cease to exist unless you want to commit racial suicide.That was Yaki's point.To conclude, Um, my take on the birchers, I know we're going backwards, is what Tommy Metzger said.
They were like the politically correct, like, extreme right.They're guys who, up until 1989, claimed everything that happened is some plot from Moscow that's fucking retarded.You know, the Jays don't exist.The social engineering regime doesn't exist.
You know, the New Deal regime wasn't what I said it is.It's communists or these bad guy ops who are like hiding under our bed and fucking us up.That's, that's it.It's that much you fucking take.
The guy I read is a Revelo Oliver and he's, he's how I came to Yaki.It was through him cause he praises him a lot.He wrote a, in the enemy of Europe, there's a, an edition that has, I think it's called the enemy of my enemy by Oliver.And uh,
He's he tells the story of the manuscript of the enemy of Europe and he praises Yaki But yeah, and I have some other book by a birchers, but we'll talk up.
Maybe we could talk about that another time But yeah, I don't know Oliver's Oliver's pretty base, man.
I'm assuming you've read him Yeah, no, I he was um, he was William Pierce's day one kind of inspiration him and um William Galley Simpson It was worth reading to I'm not some huge accolade Oliver Oliver was a weird guy.
I mean, I think, I like a lot of what he wrote.He was one of these academics who thought he had to prove he actually had cojones, so he'd evoke a lot of stupid racial language for no reason.
Like, look, man, I live in Chicago, I'm not afraid of people dropping the n-word, but if you're some fucking university professor trying to talk hard by dropping that kind of shit, it's fucking cringe.So, I could do without that stuff.
He had dumb ideas in the Kennedy administration, but
he he was a real philologist and that was rare in america even like 60 70 years ago and i respect that and he had insights yeah i oliver's worth reading man with some reservations well and the reason i dropped his name is because he's how i found yaki yeah yeah he's got very adam green-esque uh ideas of christianity and you know we need to somehow
you know, find a new faith structure, so... Adam Green is like, he's like some Wal-Mart motherfucker who like thinks he knows things, it's hilarious.He's adorable.
He's like a Jay, Jay, whatchamacallit, the Jay Dyer.
and You know, he's the prettiest girl at his junior high school or something.But I don't want to talk about that motherfucker.He's like a bad ass smell who never goes away.
I don't even know who he is.The reason why I brought it up is because, you know, since we have limited time with you, one thing I think that would be most useful to discuss is kind of a lay of the landscape, the topology of the right.
Currently like let's just take you know, normie con conservatism whatever and just park that shit over here It's not gonna be around much longer.It's no point talking about it, right?
So what we have now the various factions that operate in it Right the priorities of those factions whether expressed or private right and the messages that these factions go about trying to propagate, you know, which ones are useful and
which of these factions are viable, or none of them viable?Are any of them good enough to, you know, do any of them possess immense material capable of political organization and self-actualization?Basically, what do we work with?What do we discard?
Who do we work with?Who do we discard?Once we've found that out, what do we work towards?And how do we know when we're getting there?
Yeah, I mean, who do we bolster?
Who do we give, you know, It's not, most of these guys are just like internet guys, like they don't really exist.
They're like these guys, like, and instead of like watching porn or being in the NFL or like sports gambling, they just like say shit on the internet.
They pretend like, I'm like a, I'm like an Odinist brony, you know, like Iron Guard, like Ukrainian fascist, and I want to kill Christianity, you know, it's like, it's fake. You know?
I mean, one of the reasons why, and again, I'm not saying like I'm so great, but this shit is like what I do 24-7.It's like my real life.
So it's like I'm going to talk to hood dudes, or going to like an event, or going to talk to like random like fucking other people.I like say, here is where I'm going, and these are the people I'm talking to, and this is like the shit I'm up on.
We're not... Yeah, I mean, like, we are a movement, but the point I'm always making is, like, we pick you, you don't choose us.I don't mean you guys on deck, I mean, generally.
So, like, when I get, like, messages from motherfuckers, like, mostly ops, even guys who are, like, think... They're presumptuous, like, you need to do this, you need to do that.It's like, bro, you're nothing to me.You're nobody.
You know, like, there is no us.You know, again, we choose you, you don't choose us.And this isn't some, like, internet club or something.
What my view is what I said on Burden's show a couple weeks back, what we're doing, what my peoples are doing, what we've always been doing, we are seceding from the regime.And now there's the infrastructure to do that.We have our own communities.
We have our own capital bases.We own our own businesses.You know, we have cooperatives where we educate our kids. We don't want anything to do with regime shit.We don't want to become the government.The state is dying.It's dead.
It doesn't know it yet.It's a zombie that is going to shamble on for another like 150, 200 years, but it's dead.We want nothing to do with it.Okay.Um, what we're doing is we are living historically and
We are bringing worthy people, and we're a vanguard.We do not want numbers.We do not want normies.We are a vanguard of people living historically, and we are looking to the world after we are all gone, OK?
Because that is when this is going to be fully realized.It has nothing to do with government.It has nothing to do with political parties.It has nothing to do with capturing the city council of Podunk, Iowa.None of that.
We don't want to fuck with that.That's not to say, like one of the Youngbloods who's And like Homeland Faction, I took him to lunch today.He's probably going to land a job in the Trump administration.And that's great.
OK, I want young dudes to do that kind of thing.And moving forward, it'll like teach them things about, you know, like the reality of politics and like sharpen their chops for just like real life.
But our goal is not we want to become the government and like stop immigration like this.We're way, way, way, way, way past that.That's the 20th century fight.OK.
And there's not going to be some system reinstated globally where the Westphalian state comes back and you can just deport all the Mexicans and create this white person state that's where everybody's some middle-of-the-road normie con.
That's not going to happen.That's never going to happen.What you can do, though, the future looks like this.I mean, this sounds corny, and I don't want to sound like some Thomas Friedman. F-A-G-G-O-T or something, but the future is this, okay?
It's basically, like, sovereignty exists locally, because, like, the government can't interfere with it anymore.So it's like, okay, this hood over here is, like, 99.9% black.
Like, here, where me and my people live, it's basically in the reverse, but, like, white.Like, over here, there's some, like, mixed-race community, because that's the way people want to live.You know, people police themselves.
Law enforcement's basically private.That's already starting to happen.If you haven't noticed, like, policing is totally changing.
Um, like people's people's purview is going to become way, way, way smaller economically, though, like, um, there's going to be a real homogenization of of currencies and things.I mean, that's already happening.
So you're going to have like economic globalism.There's going to be like an availability of capital that's looking for a place to go.The way people conduct business is going to be remarkably homogenous.
But this idea of this is the government and it's it's it's it's the authority.It's the premise of the authority stops here.And you're part of the democratic state.These are your rights.These are your obligations.That's dead.That's dead.
Anybody who thinks it's not isn't in the game. Just like these guys who talk about, like, the West, like, we gotta defend the West.It's like, there is no West.The West died at Stalingrad, you know?
Um, you, if you think in those terms, you're, like, not, you're not in the real world, you're, like, an Internet guy, or you're some dude who, like, is kinda, like, isolated from the reality of stuff, cause he lives...
you know, in some- in some town that's not really impacted to the full extent by globalism, like Chicago is, and, uh, he's trying to, like, piece together- he's reading- he's reading stuff that's, like, 70 years out of date, or that was written, you know, like, um, in 1991, and thinking that represents reality when it doesn't.
Um, I realize that was long-winded, but, yeah, that's- that- I mean, that's my takedown.I don't- I don't fuck- I don't fuck with, like, Wignas, I don't fuck with, like, random motherfuckers, I don't fuck with guys who, like,
Declare their part of some like imaginary like political movement.
I mean what we do is what we do and we get stronger every day All right, man, well I want to give stormy or Pete a chance to ask a question or comment before I take it further
Anything I've anything I'm gonna say is gonna be like it's really long.I agree with almost all of those things some differences regarding Global capital things like that, but none of that is gonna be interesting to any of your listeners.
Let's just be real Thomas when you um when you talk about localism I the It's gonna become instinctual where it's just like, okay, we gotta, I'm gonna go find my own people now.
It's like, I'm not even, this isn't even a plan, I'm just packing up and getting the fuck out.It's both.
I mean, look, man, like, I didn't think this would, I didn't think we'd reach this state, I mean, historically speaking, I don't just mean, like, in my own life, your own life, I didn't think we'd reach this state until I was already dead.Okay?
But, like, four, yeah, four years ago, I didn't have my first social media account until four years ago. And, like, basically the minute I set it up, like, in two days, I have, like, 6,000 followers.And I'm like, what the fuck is happening here?
You know, and now, I mean, I'm not clout chasing, I'm telling you, like, the reality.I literally know, like, 500 people.
Like, I know obviously some of them a lot better than others, but this all just, like, happened organically, and, like, rapidly and spontaneously.And, like, the place I'm gonna start spending my winters at,
That, like, Burden and other guys turned me on to, it just happened.Like, a bunch of dudes and their wives, like, moved there, because it's a nice place, and it's deep, big on Confederate heritage.Like, nobody planned it.
Just one day, there was, like, 150 of us there.You know, this is happening all over the country.It's probably happening all over the world, but I'm not a Globetrotter, so I can't say.
So it's like, I'm not saying you guys are saying this, but it's like when guys talk to me like, how do you see this shaking out?And I'm suspicious.It's like, bro, it's happening.You're not part of it, but it's happening everywhere.
You know, like it's not academic, it's happening.
And it's a combination, you know, like most of the guys I meet are up on this or like my buddy in the Southwest, who I used to lay a lot of content with, he's been busy with like, you know, the business of raising kids and having his own business and stuff.
But he moved to this town in Arizona, Like, the same thing happened.Like, one day this, like, new, like, young dude and his wife or, like, girlfriend move in, and they got a little kid.And he's, like, some, like, huge Trump guy.
So my buddy starts hanging out with him, and then they start getting into, like, historical revisionist conversations.And then, like, all this guy's friends, like, move there.Then, like, random old people or, like, super right-wing move there.
And then just, like, you know, like, it just happened.You know?Um... And I hear these stories, like, over and over and over again.And just even...
You know, I mean, like, now you're considered... Now you're considered, like, a nerd or something, if you're not at least, like, marginally, like, right-wing.Or if you're, like, a white person who, like, acts like some pussy about stuff.
Like, like, nobody likes that.Everybody thinks that's uncool and fucked up.And, in contrast, in, like, the 1990s, like, everybody fucking hated us.Like, you were viewed as basically, like, a scumbag, like, if you were, like, right-wing.You know?
Yeah, you know something that's like the degree to which That's why these black pill guys.It's like hilarious.
It's like you've either got no perspective Either you got a perspective you don't leave your house or you're like 19 years old I have no idea like what the world used to be like, you know, like basically Yeah, I mean like and I'm telling people to I
You know, like, summer 2023, like, I pretty much got swatted.
Like, some friends of mine took me to New York City, which was awesome, because, like, I had been locked in jail before for the night, but this was particularly traumatic, the way it happened.Like, nothing bad happened in jail.
I mean, it was fine, but, um, you know, this place Sovereign House out in Brooklyn, the only, like, subcultural action that's at all cool is right-wing.Nobody wants to be like Kamala Harris.Nobody wants to fuck with Joe Biden.
Nobody thinks it's cool to be like Tim Walz. You know, these like right wing spaces in places like Brooklyn, in places like Hyde Park here, in places like fucking Los Angeles.
It's like right wing guys and girls doing their thing and like a bunch of artsy people and theater people and like fucking clout chasers want to be around it.I'm not saying that's cool.That's kind of retarded, but that's the metric of the culture.
So anybody who thinks like, like we are like anything subcultural that's happening or dynamic, like we are leading it. you know
the adoption cycle of like, let's say a new way of doing things, right?It could be like how to interface the platform, you know, apps were completely different than anybody else's internet experience.
So if you're going to plan out your runway and figure out like, all right, this is how much I burn every month.This is about how fast my users are growing.How much more room do I need before the curve starts getting parabolic?
And the number, the magic number, it turns out this Rogers Theorem, which is just for technology, works just as well tracking the propagation of ideas across society.
Would you say that there's 13, 14% maybe, roughly, of people that know what you and I know?
Yeah, that probably tracks.
So that means, so Rogers theorem basically says, it may take five years, it may take six months, but once you pass 13, 14%, there's a point of no return, right?
That idea, that knowledge, right, will be in every member of society, right, at some level of penetration, depending on what they interface with and what parts of that information is relevant to their individual experiences. No, I understand.
So when guys like the most powerful people in the world, like in the country, let's say, right?We know that they're listening to our guys.They're reading our stuff.We've, I mean.
Yeah.I mean, check this out.
Our ideas are going to be everyone's ideas is what I'm saying.
Check this out.And I mean, I, I got receipts for this.I got fucking witnesses.Like a year and a half ago, I got on a plane to fucking Arkansas. And the co-pilot, when he's walking to take a piss, he says, hey, you're Thomas.
And I'm like, what the fuck?And he's like, hey, man, I really love your podcast, and my wife thinks you're really funny.Like, let me take a selfie with you to send to her.
And then, like, at the Union Park, like, DNC shit, I'm there with Arthur and Bo, and, like, we're just talking, and this cop walks over.
Like, I'm not gonna drop what the agency is throwing, because the last thing I want is for people to have problems. But, like, I see him walking down the road and I'm like, ah, shit, he's probably gonna be like, get the fuck out of here.
He's like, hey, Thomas, like, you're awesome, man, you know, and I'm like, I'm talking about, like, guns and, like, all kinds of stuff, and he's like, like, alright, fellas, you know, he's like, um, you'll be good, man, stay up, and he's like, you know, you got- you got friends, like, you know, in- in the police department, and I'm like, this is fucking insane, man.
You know, like, I, um... Yeah, and like uh, so that that basically kind of hit me to like how the degree to which like what you're saying and like Rogers theorem is right.I don't really understand.
Um, I mean, I understand statistics on some level and I've read stuff.Um, and
When you said, remember when I told you in the beginning before we started recording that the conversation that you and Peter had about the last hundred years being an index or a dialogue with Marxist-Leninism and how that was paradigm shifting for me.
So I came to faith, you know, I left the church as every, you know, young guy does and then everybody You know, has their atheist phase, and I got, you know, really, I hated learning in school.I didn't like it.
Only much later on, like in my mid-twenties, did I realize that I like it.Now I don't.I haven't had a TV in about a decade, and learning shit is what I do for fun, because I'm a weird guy.I guess.
But I started pouring myself into science, learned all the science.I taught myself calculus because I wanted to understand what the fuck Einstein is saying in his words instead of just reading the books on the surface level.
And then I had a bit of disposable income. after I sold my my first company and I started like being you know, like a guy in his 20s with too much fucking money like I want to buy like let me I want to see like I buy a piece of Einstein's notebook.
I want to I want to buy that that thing and Google Translate like first came out where you could like hold your phone over the man you see like the the writing and it would just read you the text and And like, I'm old, my phone's old.
So like, I'm reading Einstein's letter to another physicist, and this motherfucker's talking about God.Right?He's like, I see God from the tiniest bit, from the tiniest of the tiniest to the largest of the largest.I see his handwriting everywhere.
It's like he signed every single thing.And I was like, wait a second. that this is this isn't what I was told that this man believe this was like these guys are talking about something else and from then on out I just I mean
Consciousness science became like a hobby, then a passion, then something like I started funding.
So when you said in that episode, you said basically a race is a chain of being that stretches back from the beginning of time to the present and represents a form of epigenetic memory, right?
And that collective epigenetic memory could be roughly called the consciousness. Yep.You may have just been spitballing, but there's a hell of a lot of science to back up that that is not spitballing at all.
Oh, I know.That's why I dropped it.Yeah.That's a subtext on my science fiction.Oh, really?Yeah.So I do have something about that.I mean, I because that that I mean, that's all higher.OK.Like if you want to know.And then also that redeems.
That's something people are saying like continental philosophy is this like speculative stuff or yes, it's okay Well, I mean what we're talking about here.
I mean that basically It defines it in different terms, but that you're based that that basically like this demonstrative like hagel being right?
Okay, like at scale Yeah, yeah, you know, there's like there's like this enduring memory that's heritable Yes, you know and yeah that that basically informs, you know, like human behavior at scale like what we consider to be like critical behavior So yeah
Yeah, yeah, 100% and like they've they've done this in animal studies as well So like you could have groups of monkeys that are genetically identical right that were separated on an island There's you know part of a large island then the waters raised a little bit split the monkeys up same exact, you know set of monkeys just They can't swim the distance and they've basically been like mini isolated for say three four hundred years right monkey on Island a
that as well as well as the on the other island.So the monkeys on the other island learn it too, instantly.
There we go.100 monkey syndrome.
Yeah, the 100 monkey theory.And then their offspring know how to do it without being taught.Yes.
So you're developing a, there is a consciousness that we are both a part of and we exist in. So it's kind of hard for people to kind of conceptualize, but if I analogize it to the radio, right?And the Pentagon is up on this shit, right?
And I know it sounds crazy, but 1957, the Pentagon commissioned Stanford Research Institute, which at the time was the most prestigious research institute in the country, therefore the most prestigious research institute in the world at the time, saying, hey, we're hearing that the Soviets are doing research in things that the mind can do.
All right, we want you guys to figure out basically what's going on.They commissioned a broad study.It took SRI three or four years.All right, the report is called the Report on the Gateway Process.
Just type in gateway report, the very first thing will be the FOIA reading room.It's a 26-page document, which would later spawn the most successful military and civilian intelligence program in US history.
But what these guys basically prove out through eight or nine different experimental modalities, so not like theoretical, this is like in the lab, that your brain kind of tunes into consciousness.
I know this is not where we want it to go, but basically, I guess you could say it is like,
right, racial consciousness is part of, you know, is wide as, you know, our history and our genes are wide, right, and it kind of gets blurry out on the sides.And I'm tuned into 101.1, and you're tuned into hot 101.7.
We're both listening to the same radio wave, and we're only a fraction of a fraction of a decimal place away on the spectrum.I got a different DJ than you got.I'm listening to different tracks, different genres.
We have an entirely different experience.But yet we're all having a tiny little sliver of a much larger experience.
So when people all of a sudden know things, and intuitively know them in their gut all of a sudden, and they know the thing, they may not be able to express in words the totality of the knowledge that's been given to them.
It's the same way that women's intuition works, right?A woman will get information, she'll walk into a room, and let's say there's some scary guy down the hall that wants to hurt her.She doesn't know that fucking guy exists.
She has no way of knowing that exists.But she will immediately, instantly know. As soon as she walks in the door and you say, what's wrong?She won't be able to tell you.She'll be like, I can't put it into words, whatever.
Yeah.So I think that's kind of what's happening.Cause it's all of a sudden white people know everywhere all at once.Sorry to like take us off on a tangent, but from what you were telling me, that's wild.
I didn't know. That's what underlies that that's that that's what I identitarian things are.OK, I mean, and so and that's why trying to eradicate them, you're basically trying to rip out of people like what makes them human.
I got to raise up momentarily.I'm sorry to be abrupt, but I'm sorry.This was this was great, man.We should do this again when I got more time.I don't have to travel again for a minute. So I can basically, within reason, make my own schedule.
So yeah, I'd love to reconvene at some point.So yeah, just hit me up, man.I mean, any of you guys.If you fellas don't have my number like Pete does, obviously you can get it from him.But I really appreciate you hosting me, man.
Look man, there's a lot to talk about and there's no rush.So we look forward to what we're going to be having more conversations So, uh, yeah, if you came back, that'd be awesome.
We'd love to know anytime Yeah, like forgive me again for being abroad forgive me for like rushing through stuff or like talking over people I wanted to get a lot of stuff up before I gotta go.So I didn't mean to be rude man.
Um, no, that's appreciate you guys We needed the foundation laid and you did it.So appreciate that
OK, yeah, hit me up.I mean, hit me up anytime, man.But yeah, let me know this next week, man, if you want to do some more stuff and that would be great.All right.Oh, here you go.Wallace, a real Wallace for president pin. That's friggin awesome.Yeah.
Yeah, I got a Wallace LeMay pin from uh, from the era I gave it to one of the young bloods, uh, if he promised to wear it on a Tuesday and he did, he sent me a photograph.
So what's your real quick for you?What was your opinion of the first, the first America first, because there was a lot of family history of me personally with that movement, particularly Charles Lindbergh.
No, they were great, man.I mean, Lindbergh was a great man and they were, they were, um, After Huey Long died, I mean, they were basically the resistance to what we view as the deep state.I mean, I think Long was problematic.
I know a lot of guys on the right think Long was like this great hero.And I'm not like throwing shade on him in categorical terms, but there was problems there.But no, I, um, Coughlin, um, I mean, I'm partial to Dudley Pelley.
Like, he was kind of a crazy, uh, itinerant Protestant preacher.He was also like a writer.He wrote for Hollywood and he
You know, he, um, he's just a fascinating dude, but, um, he was a little more extreme than, you know, the, I mean, the America first, uh, woman was very mainstream, you know, um, so no, they're, they were a fascinating tendency and very positive and, um, Wittenberg would have made a great president.
Um, I think so too.I think so too.Is there anything in that that is politically relevant today?
Yeah, because, um, yeah, it's the same cause it's the same fight, you know, I mean, it's the same tendency, uh,
It's the same tendencies that essentially like create the battle lines, you know conditions change history doesn't repeat itself Like only fucking idiots say that but there are like enduring tendencies and political cultures that create like fault lines.
So yeah, you know like America first versus the new dealers, you know, I'm the silent majority you know versus uh, the the media and law enforcement establishment deep state like mega versus um, I
You know the uh, the hostile elite like that's all those are all components like the same.
Um the same constellation of of conflicts that have Characterized america since after the war between states, you know in some way shape or form That I mean that deserves its whole like a dedicated episode in its own, right?
Look, man, we we just laid fodder for fucking months worth worth of discussions just from that just from that All right, we'll let you go, Thomas.I appreciate it.
All right, brother.Appreciate it.Yeah, you both.This is the perfect time to take a break.I usually take a break in my show.Pete and Stormy, I'm good for a minimum another hour.
If you guys don't mind a quick break, I would love to pick up some of those threads and talk to one of you guys.In fact, Stormy, I have a direct question from what you just said before we come back.All right, I'll be right back. the fifth
right he changed the entire political landscape just by allowing the flow of information to reach from little tiny sparrows here because it's not just it's not just the jay stuff right you can't do like i'm sorry i get it and you can't name a conservative taking any pros i in a stance on anything that is not getting just hammered yet from the left and the right but uh...
this is under two years and the New York Times went out and asked these people directly, individuals that they interviewed.Asked them, why did you flip or why'd you vote for Trump?Why'd you go independent?
Why'd you go for Trump and not the Democrats?And the number one response was immigration because the Democrats went so insane with letting so many people in during the Biden administration.
And I think that it was that sense, that intuition of a threat. that the causing the threat, they were making the threat worse.
So anarcho-tyranny, which is what they were trying to use, which is what the Floyd riots were, was anarcho-tyranny, didn't work.It had the opposite effect, and it worked.It won Trump the election on the terms that you were discussing.
For all the Daoists out there, that's no surprise.
Oh, the Taoist is action.Taoism is like mysticism for rulers.There's a principle in there, it's called action without action.If you're the ruler, if you're the guy in charge, you have to flow, your rule, your governance needs to flow.
like nature, right?Whenever you try and force something to happen that's not already happening, not already occurring, you will get the exact opposite of whatever you try and do every time.
Because you're going against the, like, your people are kind of like just the little receptors of an invisible current. and
Reverse something that's much bigger than you and much more much invisible is invisible and you will always generate whenever you try and forcibly change The trajectory of this you will get the exact opposite thing right you try and awaken black racial consciousness Oh now you got white racial consciousness oops That's problem
Well, okay.So what what do you guys think for for whatever it is?We're trying to do and uh pete you got a lot of series with uh thomas your show Um, even the episodes without thomas are uh, educating people.
It's educating people And what what do you think I my?
The quickest way I can characterize what I think Trump does for these ideas, I mean, I think he helps people in real life materially, but what he does for our ideas, at the very least, is he gives us breathing room.
He gives us breathing room so that we can let these ideas percolate.But I'd like to ask Pete, what do you think a Trump victory does for, I don't know, I guess I'll just say the right wing.Our guys. Yeah, our guys.Our guys?
Yeah.I think it allows us, I'm hoping it allows us to start realizing that the progressive, the woke-ism is dying to the point where it's not powerful.It's not something that needs to be a focus anymore.
what I'm hoping is from our guys and is they have to start looking at the the real threat to the right wing and the real threat to to us and it's always it's the same threat that it's been for you know basically a hundred years it's the same
same group that's given us the woke ism is the same group that's given us mass immigration is the same group it's the same group that's basically tried to destroy white european christendom and by trump actually being friendly to that group
I think it helps more people to, it's gonna help more of our guys who aren't willing to step over the line that I have and that a lot of us have to start saying, why are we allowing these Zionists and these radical leftist Jews to control our culture and control our politics?
Because that's I think that's what the next thing is.The next thing is, is like if we're going to if if we're going to make America great again, it is has to be about America.And.
I don't know that it's even possible at this point or at any point in the near future to decouple from the Zionist power and leftist Jewish power.
And I think it's going to cause more people to do what Thomas is talking about, is to just separate and do everything they can to get away from this regime.
And- Do you think if everybody knows, they'll just let 2% stay in charge?
Well, I mean- Well, here's the thing- That's what I can't figure out. But yeah, here's the thing is, you know, I was having a conversation with somebody on, in DMs on Twitter today, you know, and he was talking about conservatism and everything.
And I said, well, conservatism is, you know, why would I want to conserve anything?Because conservatism is left wing. And he said, well, how is conservatism left wing?And I said, well, I said, define conservatism for me.
And he said, well, holding true to the values of the founding of America.I said, oh, so you mean white European rule?You mean the only people who can vote are white males who are property owners? Okay, so where is that in conservatism?
And he's like, shit, you're right.And I'm like, most conservatives are civil rights regime Americans.And the civil rights regime destroyed the constitution.There is no constitution anymore.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the constitution of the United States. And I don't know how you break people of that.I mean, sure. A lot of it has to do with the fact that boomers live through that, and boomers look at it as something very important.
And boomers are going to die off.They're dying off more every year.Gen X, I think Gen X, as a Gen Xer, we're a nihilist.We're a very nihilistic generation.I don't know that we care so much.
And that's the problem, is I don't know that most Gen Xers care enough to rebel against occupation.Millennials, millennials don't care enough.
Millennials aren't going to do anything to insult anybody in any kind of way that could be ethnic or religious or whatever.So I think it's going to come down to the zoomers.So the quicker we can get the zoomers in power,
the better chance we have of breaking that 2.4% that basically have been controlling our politics now for, I wouldn't even say 100 years, I would say really, since the founding of the Likud party, is really where you see it.
that when organized crime gets the nation late seventies, is Likud late seventies, let me look up real quick 1973
that they still haven't they still haven't been completely disenfranchised my people that that
Israel didn't even exist yet.Well, it was a war.It was a war for world Jewry.They had come in, they had come into power and they were put, I mean, I don't know, it's kind of, I mean, if you look through the Eisenhower years, I mean,
Where do you really see, I mean, you see there's a lot of, like the pushing of Brown versus Board of Education, things like that.Sure, you can point towards that, but it wasn't like a full-on, there was still remnants that were fighting against it.
Throughout the 60s, people can talk about the 60s being this, oh, hippie generation.I mean, in 1968, they voted in Nixon. the fifth It was after that.It was after Vietnam.
It was really with the, I would even say the Reagan coalition bringing in all of these evangelicals in there who are evangelicals for Israel.I mean, they're all Israel bursters.So, I mean, I don't think it was full on capture.
until, I mean, Likud came into power and, you know, was created in 73, but their power really started to really take off, like, 79, 1980.
Well, this is really interesting, then, because, A, Likud party is almost dead.Mm-hmm.And, B, Israel is almost dead.Well, okay, so that... And now we got guys calling each other wasps now.
Powerful guys like like astral to like the point like we're talking about World War two in my series with Pete we outline how both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party the Democrat Party having just put FDR into into the White House and
Within six months they had figured out what was up.
They're like, oh This isn't actually they didn't know that FDR was hiding a bunch of You know Jews under like Bolshevik Jews underneath his wheelchair, you know, they just scooted him on in there and then holy shit because the American Liberty League what was was the precursor of
to the America First political movement.This was, this is, you know, in the nascent days, but there was a lot more firepower behind the American Liberty League.
You had the head of the Democratic Party, right, who was previously, right before FDR, oh shit, I can't remember his name.Right, so you had, Al Smith.
You had Al Smith, who was the Democrat Party presidential candidate, the year, the election cycle before FDR, and the chairman of the DNC for 30 years.Then you had the head of the Republican Party, right?
And you had, Taft was there, but also you had John J. Raskin, who was the largest funder of the DNC.He was the chairman, founder and chairman of General Motors. And then on the other side, also in the American Liberty League, you had Henry Ford.
You had Henry Ford, you had Jack Morgan, the son of Pierpont Morgan.You had Nelson, sorry, I can't remember if it was Nelson or, Nelson's dad, John Rockefeller Jr. Anyways, you had the Rockefellers, you had Irie and Pierre Dupont.
You had literally all of the capital in America, like all of the WASP aristocracy, their banking empires, their industrial empires, right?You had the chairman of the Democrat Party that just put FDR in.
and the chairman of the Republican Party, you had Huey Long, you had Father Coughlin, all in the same place at the same time in the same organization going, what the fuck is happening?Who are these people?How did they get here?
And I read one of their speeches on Pete's show.These men are scared of something. None of these guys are friends.Raskin and Ford used to feud on a legendary level.More than Mark Cuban and Elon have ever.
I'm talking like, you know, actually industrial espionage, industrial sabotage, arson.These guys were at war.Al Smith would have never been caught in the same room with any of those guys.And these guys were like, this is,
the most important thing in the world.Somebody has taken over our government.They're talking directly about communism.They're talking directly about Bolshevism.They're like, this FDR, this New Deal regime, isn't from the Democrats.
This isn't anything that we want.This isn't anything the Republicans want.This is coming from somewhere else.And the only thing that could have stopped those men was Pearl Harbor, because it did. that the
Yeah, I dropped Yaki and Revelo P. Oliver as two guys to kind of show us beacons of what the right wing once was.Both of them insist that we wanted Japan to attack Pearl Harbor and we let it happen.FDR did.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they say that we did for that reason that you just named. because that was the only way for their revolution, the revolution in 1933, to really solidify, take effect.
Yeah, and the stuff Pete was talking about, Pete, I appreciate what you said a lot, and you used a very important word.I wanna point out too, you're talking about Nixon, how late that was.George Wallace ran for president in 72, didn't he?Yeah.
Yeah, so that late we had George Washington on the president, or George Wallace on the presidential ticket. that the that the Part of our inspiration for that was to sort of track, to some extent, how far we've fallen.
There was like a dark ages of the right wing.Definitely the George W. Bush administration, the Clinton administration.It was like a dark age.We went underground.The paleocons were kicked out by the neocons.And then we had this resurgence.
It looks like you've pretty much already answered this question, but I want you to elaborate on it if you'd like to. Do you think we've gotten it back to some extent?
Do you think at least some factions or some outlets of the quote-unquote right wing are sort of picking up the thread and keeping it at that level?Or do you think we have a lot more building to do?
In other words, if this has been going on for almost 10 years now since the first Trump administration, Uh, do you what phase do you think we're at?I mean, do you think there's still a lot more work to do ideologically?
Or do you think the stuff thomas has been talking about the on the ground stuff is like what we need to take and run with?
That's a good question.Let me just make something clear.People are going to think that I don't think the Jews were in charge until 1970.Oh, I hope I didn't give you the impression I was saying that.
The takeover, it's just the takeover wasn't complete until a certain point.
I hope I didn't mischaracterize anything you said.No, that's fine.
No, that's fine.I'm glad you pushed back a little bit on it because that needs to be cleared up.
What I would say is it seems that the closest we could have gotten to getting back to where we were was the paleo-con movement of the late 80s and early 90s.And I think that, well, it went away, obviously.It was defeated.
And it was defeated from the inside.It was defeated.It wasn't defeated by Clinton. by eight years of Clinton.It wasn't defeated by Ross Perot, you know, talking about economics and things.It was defeated by quote unquote right wingers on the inside.
That has it's exploded with with the advent of the Internet.These are the ideas that Pat Buchanan was talking about.And, you know, the paleocons were talking about their back. And people are going even further.
You talked about how we could search Carl Schmitt on Twitter right now, and we'll find people talking about Carl Schmitt today.You might find people talking about Yaqui today.You'll definitely find people talking about Pat Buchanan.It's growing.
It's spreading.The vice president-elect follows our guys and probably has a burner where he follows everyone.
Elon Musk as well.I've heard about this Elon Musk burner.
Yeah.Yeah, so you have this happening.You have people going, these are the ideas that need to be embraced.These are the ideas for going forward.But once again, our greatest enemy is on the inside. our greatest enemy is the kosher right.
This is, this was actually the, this is actually what the, this is why I, when Astro was saying like, these are all these problems, like you need to do a panel and you need to get everybody that you can.
And since we're, well, this is the problem of our time right now. The two things are happening.The liberals are starting to realize that they're in real trouble.
I don't know if you've already seen it, but New York Times journalist Rachel Maddow is telling everybody on her show today that, oh, you need to actually reach out and talk to Trump supporters, take them out to dinner, get to know them a bit, and see if you can slowly change their mind.
All right, and somebody just put a picture, the perfect gift of like this spider or the scorpion just crawling onto the frog's back.I'm like, all right, so liberals are gonna try and retake over conservatism, right?
And then we've got the kosher right trying to take control of the right now at this kind of, you know, in the wake of considerable victory.I consider Elon the big victory.I don't consider Trump. the big victory that that that
and then that are the people who are the people on the right who are pushing back against the kosher right.That's all.That's it.
We see one ethnic religious, whatever the fuck you want to call them, group who is, you know, has been in control, you know, has has exercised control for over 100 years, took total control to a
If you're on the right and you're on the, I mean, I hate the term dissident, right?Because it doesn't mean anything.But if you're on this side of the divide, you are pushing back on, you're an American.You're America first.
You are heritage America first.We should be calling our own shots.
This foreign influence that has for the last 2,000 years and further back, every society they go into, they infiltrate into power and they start trying to guide things in their direction for their benefit.
If you're not concentrating on that, if you're not talking about that, I don't know that you're on our side.
Yeah, I don't also don't know why you're a non unless you want to infiltrate.If you're anonymous and you're not naming the J, what do you what are you protecting yourself from with your anonymity?What is the point?
Or if you're or if you're you name the J a little bit, but then you go and then you counter signal.The way I look at it is.If you counter signal.You're then you're out. You're out.
Once you start, and this is what Rufo did, Rufo started doing recently.
Rufo put out an article about Charleroi, Pennsylvania, and he mentioned in that article that Jewish Family and Children's Services were the ones who were bringing the Haitians in there, and that they were working in there every week, and they were behind this.
And apparently, and then not a week later, he's counter-signaling and he's calling out quote-unquote anti-Semites.It's like he did this article, put this out, didn't clear it with his bosses, and got yelled at, and now he's like on...
on the attack for anybody who is, and then he hires two women.He announces that he's hiring two women to come in and work.And then when you go into their backgrounds, you find out they used to work for Jewish NGOs.
And it's like, okay, well, I know who, if you're worried about who's controlled this government, if you believe Thomas Massey, probably the most honest man in the government, and he says everybody but me has an AIPAC handler, has an AIPAC babysitter, we're a fucking occupied government by a foreign power, and that foreign power is,
call it Zionist, all Zionists, you know, these Zionists are Jews.Okay.
If you're not talking about that, or if you're making excuses for it, or if you're hiding the fact that you're Jewish and you're saying, you know, you're saying that, Oh, Jews need to be coddled.
And you know, we need to warm, we need to sell them on ourselves.But then when it comes to like women who vote wrong, you say those women need to be attacked and they need to be called out.
This kosher, right.You're talking about. Let's just be honest.They're just neocons really and the funny thing is the thing that kills me is they're like we're not neocons because we're racist.
And you're like, well, that's really funny because the neocons all were racist up until, you know, uh, George W. Bush's ethical conservatism.
And then all of a sudden the neocons were this like completely, uh, you know, melting pot, uh, non-racist, non-racialized party all of a sudden.
Everybody's racist.Everyone is racist.Anyone who's ever lived in New York, that that that that
is from Magnus Hirschfeld.They're actually being doctrinally correct.When they say, oh no, racism is actually just in-group preference and cultural preference, except for when white people do it.When white people do this, it's called racism.
And then it, you know, becomes this nefarious and evil thing.But only when European populations do it.
That right there is directly mad Magnus Hirschfeld who wrote it because the Germans didn't want to let him have his child brothel anymore Yeah, and I I dropped the term melting pot who came up with the term melting pot one of this guy's coethnics
To your point, I found a very interesting thread today, and I posted it on Axe, and I haven't really gone too deep in the guy that put it together, but it's really good, it's accurate.
I'll read you a quote for it, Astro, since you're not on Twitter anymore.James Lindsay worked with Christopher Rufo at Color Us United, advocacy for a race-blind America.Guess who funds this?
the Ticov Fund, T-I-K-V-A-H Fund, and the Manhattan Institute.Ticov.
Yeah, from the Ticov Olam.Yeah.So apparently Chris Ruppo and James Lindsay have actually a bunch of patrons.
Who funds Manhattan Institute?Paul Singer?Yeah.Isn't it Paul Singer who funds the Manhattan Institute?
I think you're correct. that the the the
I kind of know Stormy's answer to this question because we've talked about this, but I want both of you guys to talk about this.Pete, you used the term decoupling.
Can we decouple America from this alien facehugger that's just like pumping its fucking ideology down our throat?But Yaki's whole thing is that like we can't, like he called America the enemy of Europe.And in that essay, He doesn't ever say America.
He never refers to us as just America.He always calls it Jewish America.Every time.And his whole thing is that, like, we can't be decoupled.And Thomas said earlier, Yaqui was right, and he was.
And if you read The Enemy of America, it's very clear that he was correct.But... Yeah, sorry, thank you.But... Now it's, you know, 50, 60, 70 years after he wrote that, and a lot of things have transpired.
And I definitely think we are in a historical singularity, at least since World War II now.I think we're in totally new territory, and it's uncharted for America since then.And it looks like there may be a chance that we can decouple
from Jewish influence.Let me just be explicit about it.Pete, do you think, does it look like it's going that way to you?Or do you think we should just write it off like Yaqui did and say, it's not gonna happen.We need to do something different.
I think it is going that way, but I think there's really only one way that it's going to accelerate.And that's that Americans are going to have to accept their identity as Americans.
I was talking, I have an episode dropping tomorrow with Paul Fahrenheit and John Slaughter.And the whole episode is about the Confederate flag.
And that the Confederate flag, when you look back in our history, is really the only symbol of heritage America that exists.
And we didn't say, we said that it would be, the Confederate flag would be great if we can make, but it just has to be something.It has to be a symbol.It has to be that myth.We need that myth.
When I first saw the whole woke right thing, I saw it as a myth war.And that's what they're fighting against.When Darrell went on Tumblr and said that Churchill was the villain of World War II, he was attacking myth.
And Constantine Kissin's whole argument for why that's woke right is because the left attacks our myths. They attack the myth of, you know, they tear down our statues.They tear down all of this stuff.
They want to get rid of these myths and institute their own myths.Well, if you're going to have control over a population, over a landmass, you're going to need your own myths.
And if there is a myth that exists, you're going to have to destroy that myth. And we have our founding myths.The only problem is that they've been supplanted by another myth, which is the myth of World War II, the myth of the Civil Rights Act.
So, yeah, if you want to say it's woke right to attack myths, yeah.But the myths that I'm attacking have nothing to do with the original myths of this country.These are myths that replaced the founding myths of this country.
And these myths come from outside America.They're not American at all.Just like Constantine himself.
global you get into the mysticism thing i want you to create a paradigm it's not just it's not just admits it is a entire the the jews are masters of this right thing they don't try and create binaries between two different facts are two different political positions right it's it's much deeper than that and that's why it has sticking power it has permanence it's also why people can't
get out of the, it traps them in the dyad that they're set at.The purpose of dialectics is hermeticism, right?It's the principle of polarity, is what they're doing.
So what they're basically doing is like, we on the surface, like when, what's his name, ADL guy, that the
the media and The kind of cultural apparatus has created entirely different worldviews Right there what they see as reality Right what options they think are available to them at any look at the pandemic, right?
This is this shows you like how to differ how
how intricate paradigms are because the solutions and options that our side thought was available to us, right, we're gonna, we can do this thing, we can do this other thing, we're gonna try different types of, like we're gonna go and like dig up old bits of science and try and find other treatment, like these were options that we found that were available to us.
The other side, none of those options, none of those pathways, We're even did it didn't even exist.
They were outside of their paradigm So it not only affects how you act in that particular culture or that particular conflict diet Right, but it affects how?
You maneuver right like what things you will take in as immediately true immediately false a problem gets dropped in your lap Oh, yeah, and if I control your paradigm, I know I know right like oh your house is on fire.Well, I
Paradigm A, all of these doors are closed off and they're sealed off, right?And only these two doors over here are available in paradigm B, right?The exact opposite.We got three doors, like you control how people's minds move.
You control how they think, and then you can pretty much control how they will interact with any particular new information.
yeah you get you get your mind they've trapped your mind in a thought prison and then any maneuvering that you do feels like you're maneuvering uh... you're outmaneuvering whatever's being thrown at you but you're still trapped in the confines of that thought prison and uh... yes i was saying to check check this out okay a story came out today by uh... a bc a bc all over the country locals had this an iranian national and iranian-american
hired, was hired by the Iranian Republican Guard and everything to assassinate Trump.And it says that two men were arrested in the United States for it, and it was two Jews.And when they say, now where does the article say?
This is just the level, this is the level of, how you have to think about these things because it's so much propaganda and it's so much brainwashing.So where is this Iranian?He's in Tehran.This guy doesn't even exist probably.
This guy doesn't even exist.These two Jews got caught in an assassination plot.And the cover story is that there's this guy someplace where they can't get him. that is pulling the strings on all of it.Yeah.Okay.And people will buy this 100%.
And I bought the story until it was like, until I realized, oh, wait a minute, this guy, they didn't arrest this guy.They're saying he's in Tehran pulling the strings on these people.How do you know?How do we know this person?
How do we know this is a real person? And this is the kind of stuff that we're dealing with.This is our reality.And our reality is fantasy.
half the country lapsed up yes stormy sent me that uh... stories and then you know article so it's the perfect example of it right and then the it when certain people read that information they're immediately got think that in certain thoughts that how we got us all the iranian we have to stop the idea of the iranian you know puppeteer problem the iranian occupied government so in terms of in terms of this decoupling that i think it looks like with this potential for it to happen
there were conversations about this going on in the 50s and 60s.How are we going to do this?And I was reading somewhere.Well, here's what I want to say.And me and you've talked about this story.
I was reading Reveille Oliver, who I keep mentioning because everyone has to read him.He will change your fucking life and he will make you realize how limp-wristed and milquetoast the right wing is now compared to this guy.
He was denigrating the people on the right who were saying that we need to split the Jews and basically split them on communism versus Zionism and get them going after each other.They're saying it'll never work.
Well, back then Oliver was saying it'll never work.But back then they were talking about an active action that they, the right wing, took to make that happen. I think that that has happened, and they did it to themselves when October 7th happened.
Because, yeah, Pete's shaking his head, so I don't really need to explain why.They did it to themselves.
I've said since October 7th that there's a Jewish civil war going on.
Yeah, but the reason I'm bringing it up, though, is that we have to be opportunistic with this.We need to, like,
to see this for what it is and take the opportunity to jump in and ride that wave and to cynically steer any of it towards us for our benefit and our goals.One of the questions I asked Stormy was like, well, what do we do with the anti-Zionist left?
The only people I see out there denouncing them are the kosher right.
and i think it's because they're scared of them because i think they're scared uh... because a lot of the uh... the left who's going after israel now are not jewish there the liberals who were in lockstep with everything the jews wanted up until now yet the i think the
I don't know that you can take them both down at the same time, so you have to prioritize.You can't delegitimize.And to me, the first one you delegitimize is the war party, because the war party is pulling us into basically
millions and millions and a billion people hating us, and also trying to pull us into war.War with Iran is ridiculous.You can't win a war with Iran.It's just impossible.
Ukraine fighting a war against Russia is fucking insane.
Yeah.So, so, you know, the way I look at it is that whatever you want to call the right wing Likud, these just war maniacs, these the settler armies and everything, you know, we want to destroy them.We want to make sure we want that we want.
I would rather. those left-wing lunatics, cultural lunatics, take over Israel than the right-wingers.And one of the reasons why is because eventually those left-wingers are going to be like, it's kind of racist that we don't let other people in here.
And as soon as Israel becomes a multicultural country, It's over.Then the only thing we have to worry about is the Bank of London, the City of London, places like that, the centers of Jewish power and banking.
And really, the City of London, which I believe Jerome Powell has been at war with now for two, two and a half years, three years, if you take them down,
basically they're the ones who are who are funneling all the money well except for you know for us and you know but they're the ones who are basically guiding that whole project there and when i say city of london i'm not talking about you know bad teeth and things i'm talking about the one square mile city of london in london that is completely independent of england and is just basically a jewish stronghold
It's its own sovereign entity within the city of London, where Harrods is, where World Banks are, where all the dirty money in the world is filtered through.
You know, Jerome Powell has done a great job of cutting them off and you're going to war with them and destroy it.Like, you know, weakening the Euro to the point where the Euro's on its last legs.
And, um, the British pound, I mean, look at what the British pound is now.The British pound is what a buck and a quarter for a buck and a quarter compared to like one of our dollars.The whole time I was growing up, it was $2. And that's coming down.
So the way I see it is you have to break, if you break that right-wing war party and banking party through what Jerome Powell is doing and what's happening with, I don't know, I mean, they're just trying to go to fight seven front wars, which aren't gonna work.
If you break them and the left, you know, say the city of Tel Aviv advertises the gayest city on the planet, Those are the people who get power.They're going to destroy the country.
They'll it, Israel may not disappear, but they're going to destroy their culture.And as soon as they destroy their culture, they're basically like anywhere they're like anywhere else.
And I mean, they could even be friendly with, with surrounding countries who the hell knows. I would much rather have those left-wing lunatics running that than the war party.They will do our job for us, just like Likud is doing.
They can't even fight Hezbollah.The only way they can do anything in Lebanon is to drop bombs. They can't go in and you're not going to take over a country unless you can go in.
You're not going to control a country unless you can put troops in there and you can take over the government.
And I mean, that's supposed to be illegal under international law, which I mean, we know they don't care about, but they're not going to be able to do that.So what are they doing?I mean, they haven't defeated Hamas.
Netanyahu does not want the hostages returned.He doesn't want, he doesn't want this piece.He doesn't want October 7th investigated.I mean, there it's, this is a perfect time and it could possibly, this could possibly be the decoupling.But yeah.
I mean, our guys need to meme, you know, meme this into existence and talk about it more.
But the problem is, is that people, there are so many people who are really uncomfortable talking about this and talking about the destroy, I mean, destroying Israel, destroying their government or having their government become something completely different, more like global, a global homo type of government.
And then you have people on who are quote unquote on our side who are pro Israel. Who are, I mean, who are Zionists?I mean.
I mean, they don't know what they're talking about.They don't know what they're doing there.
I mean, I think it's a platform.
Yeah, they have a platform, but OK, so let me ask this.I think we're probably I don't know how much more time we have, but not a lot.The thing is, the thing is, well, I want I want you to rejoin, but I got to get this out.
Those kosher right wingers that we're talking about. They're cheering Trump.They're claiming it's them who got the victory.
So that's why a lot of like, that's why I like a lot of like white, I mean, obviously it's bullshit, but that's, that's why a lot of white nationalists who I don't agree with, by the way, I'm with Thomas on this, even though I like a lot of what they say, I think they're bad at politics is the reason I don't agree with them.
They don't know how to do politics.It's not that I disagree with their platform anyway. They'll point to the kosher right celebrating Trump to the point where they try to claim the victory for themselves and say, see, he's not our guy.
Those guys love him.If those guys love him, it must be because he's going to give them something that goes against our interests.
They're terrible at politics.
I think they're wrong, but there's a point there that I think needs to be refuted.And based on what Pete just said, I'd like to hear his response to that.Like, why is the kosher right celebrating Trump?
Or just whatever you wanna say about it.They honestly believe that they got him elected.Yeah, I think they do.I mean, that's it.They honestly believe that they got him elected.And maybe they did help.
Maybe they put some, maybe they meme some things into the air, and maybe there were some things, there was some kind of help there.But what have we seen from Trump ever since he, since, for Tuesday, what is it, five days ago? the fed that the
The one where they just ripped out a couple lines from the Litnik interview and didn't take him in context.
I love the Jerusalem Times, me and Stormy.It's the funniest newspaper on the planet.Me and Stormy referenced it in our Ukraine episode because They were literally calling deserters from Ukraine.
They were literally referring to them as refugees and like war refugees.And I'm like, dude, these fucking people literally deserted the minute Russia invaded.
And this paper is called and fled to Israel, which is illegal under Ukrainian law to have a citizenship in Israel. the
You know, Miriam Adelson pledges to give a bunch of money, doesn't give it all.
Then you have all of these guys from tech who are coming in there, you know, and I mean, David Sachs, David Sachs puts out on his, you know, and David Sachs, a Jew from South Africa, he puts out on his Twitter account yesterday, a button that says neocon, and it's got a slash through it.
And he's like, no neocons in this administration. I mean, what is a neocon?What is it really?Neoconsky.It's, I mean, it's what Michael Jones says is neoconsky.
Yeah.They're Israeli first years.
Yeah.So he, um, so what I've been saying is if the, if guys like Musk, if the tech guys, if the little tech guys are the ones who have more, um,
they're the ones who are whispering in Trump's ear, they're the ones who are influencing Trump more, then we have a shot.Because if he starts listening to the people around him who may have Israeli sympathies or who are Zionists, then we don't.
But so far, and we're only five days into this thing, He's basically rejecting all of these people.I don't know enough about his chief of staff, Susie Wiles.
I mean, I know her dad was a Christian, Pat Summerall, because I grew up watching the Giants, and he was like the announcer for the New York Giants.So I know who Pat Summerall is.He was a Christian.I don't know what her sympathies are towards,
towards Israel, I'm sure if I really tried to dig deep into it.But so far, it looks like the neocons are getting pushed out.And if the neocons get pushed out and you get people like, start naming like people who appear on Judge Knapp's show.
You start getting Ambassador Freeman or Ambassador Jeffrey Sachs, or you start getting Mearsheimer.If you start getting McGregor, if these names start popping up as advisors and things like that, well, I mean... We have a chance.
It's just a matter of the first time around, it seemed like Trump decided, made his decisions on personnel by the last person who whispered in his ear.So basically, who's whispering in his ear right now?That's the only question.
And as far as the kosher right thinking that they got him elected, the head and think that
We can have people and then we can have people like on the kosher, right or you know Just the complete lunatics who believe that the Jews control everything that they're you know That we're basically everything is is Jewish Jewish puppetry including you know, Elon Musk buying Twitter or whatever Those are all every time I see it now yeah, the but you know, they'll just say oh and
that Tim Mellon is, oh, look at his family.He had relatives that funded the whole LSD experiments in the 60s and things like that.
It's like every fucking family has, it almost seems like Tim Mellon is like the black sheep of the family, because he doesn't have anything to do with that.
Yeah, but I mean, if you were a WASP guy, a young man, you went into intelligence. That was it.You did your state in the military, either Army or Navy, or if you're a loony, you did Marines, and then you went into intelligence.
Like my granddad, same exact thing.Did Marines, did the OSS.His son did the exact same thing.All of the other families that, you know, They were associated with, did the exact same thing, everything from like, it's just what lost families.
My great granddad did that.Great granddad went into, after he spent in the military, went into diplomacy.Granddad was the guy that, I'm trying not to dox myself.He's the guy that had the heart attack.
Yeah, yeah, yeah he Yeah, we go me and the kites go we go way back But to what you're saying about the factions that are in or the live I wouldn't call them like levers of power They kind of their support structures.
You have the neocons the city of London the left And those are pretty much the factions of power outside of us.Because now, apparently, our ideas go a lot farther than anybody on our side really gives us.This is the other thing.
We're terrible at taking credit for our own victories.You have the smartest, wealthiest, most dynamic individuals in the country looking to our sphere for I mean, for guidance, like we are the, they're outsourcing their thinking.
They've found people that they trust, right?And they're like, all right, well, give me the synopsis on X. And we still act like we're losers.
Like we still act like, you know, we haven't gotten out of like, we got beaten up so bad in 2017, 2018, 2019, right?Like the hard suppression, we still go around Twitter like we're lepers. Like our guy owns the thing now.Yeah.I pointed out the shed.
I pointed out on an old glory club live stream that like every time that Elon has in the past year or year and a half has had to, you know, like go to go to Auschwitz. the political politics
What was Bill Clinton's specialty?Anybody that dealt with Bill Clinton said Bill Clinton would sit down and talk to you like you were the most interesting person in the world.Like he was listening, right?
And everybody thought after they went in to talk to Bill Clinton that Bill Clinton agreed with them and that Bill Clinton was on their side.And now you look at what Trump's doing.As soon as he got into power, he didn't want to fight with the neocons.
that the Yeah, I am from my little theory that, you know, I think I started like screaming about in the astral chat the day after it happened, is that Bibi Netanyahu tried to kill Trump in Pennsylvania.
And who were the people that people are pointing to now?Department of Homeland Security. All right, they took over the Secret Service that day.All right, they had more DHS people than there were Secret Service people.
All of the dedicated Secret Service people went over to go help with Mrs., you know, Madam President, Dr. Jill Biden.And it was all DHS people on the ground.So what did Cynthia McKinney tell us about what DHS was?
Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney on the House floor were famous for two things.Well, the tag team between the two of them were famous for two things, right?
Cynthia said Israel did 9-11, in fact, and she said that the, I can't remember how she described them, but basically the Zionists, like the dual citizen class,
that played a part in 9-11, were trying to set up Homeland Security to basically embed the neocons into every aspect of the intelligence apparatus, the military apparatus, and the law enforcement apparatus, so you couldn't tear them out.
And DHS does that.If you look at DHS's organization chart, they have offices in everything from the NSA, to U.S.Marshals, to FBI, to CIA, to DIA, the Defense Intelligence, they're literally embedded everywhere, right?She was 100% right.
Department of Homeland Security was the same fucking guys that did Project Numerous, the same dual citizens that gave you 9-11, right, Project American Century guys, set up Department of Homeland Security to embed these, embed Zionists inside the, inside the intelligence and law enforcement apparatus with a hub so they can coordinate all these things.
Before it was like, oh, we gotta go talk to, you know, we gotta go meet at the, wherever, the Synagogue of Satan, wherever they hang out. Right?Sorry.
They, you know, then they would have to like meet and then they'd have to coordinate like, all right, so you tell your cousin who works at, you know, CIA and you tell your, like, no, DHS gave them a hub.They had an office.
Now, right, now they, whatever the central hub is, is where the command structure is, right, is where the power is in any organization.
Look at a corporation, look at, you know, government, you know, look at the thing that has spokes going into everything.Whatever has the most spokes going out and other things is the thing that has the power, right?And that's what DHS is.
DHS was all over the fucking Trump assassination attempt, and you know who was the only person That didn't call Trump after he got assassinated Fucking president of Palestine.
Nobody even knows that motherfucker exists He called Trump after he got it after the assassination that BB Netanyahu did not Right now anybody that's listening probably thinks this is fucking crazy.
Just type into whatever search browser You can even use the shitty ones like Google whatever Donald Trump the word quote Benjamin Netanyahu the very first thing
that will pop up, actually like the first three or four articles, will be a quote from Trump, and find me Trump swearing on TV.Good luck.He never does that.He never swears.Fucking Kamala Harris swears more than Donald Trump does.
Fucking Joe Biden swears more than Donald Trump does.And Donald Trump on an interview with PBS, 60 Minutes,
For some reason, the presenter of 60 Minutes decides to ask a guy who's not president anymore what his relationship is with a foreign leader that currently is president, which makes no sense.
But like, what's your relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu?His words, Trump's words, exactly.Fuck him.Fuck that guy.He stabbed me in the back. We had a deal, I did everything for Israel, and he stabbed me in the back.He was the first person.
We're talking peak fraud.The day after the election, we still had mail-in ballots, chaos.Nobody in America really knew who was president the day after 2020. But Benjamin Netanyahu called Joe Biden publicly, because that basically is the signal.
That's the endorsement that this is the guy that we, the foreign country, is recognizing as president.He called Joe Biden first to congratulate him.
Because hey, whatever, Ryan Dawson proves rather conclusively to anybody who's paying attention, there wasn't a Hunter Biden laptop.There was three Hunter Biden laptops.Three. All right, so we know Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump got one.
Where'd the other two go?Well, according to Hunter Biden on video when he's in bed with his fucking, his brother's widow, you know, smoking crack.Well, some Ukrainian hookers stole the other two in Las Vegas.Where do you think those laptops ended up?
Well, so you got your guy that you made a deal with.
I mean, in that video you're talking about, Hunter explicitly says, I have been caught in sexual blackmail.That is what he said.
He literally says that in the video.Yes, he has. I forgot about that.Yes, he does.He does say that.So who do you, who do you, if you're Benjamin and Young, you got your two different horses you can run on, you got to deal with this guy.
You think you got a good relationship.Your son, you know, his son-in-law is your mole.You know, like you got a good setup, but you still have to be nice to him.And it's a deal.Like it's two parts.Like I got to do something for you.
You got to do something for me.Or you have this guy whose entire life you can ruin. named Joe Biden, right?
You have evidence of his corruption, like all of them, the whole family could go to jail along with most of the people in Washington, which is good because now they're accomplices and now they have to do this.
And in this instance, unlike Donald Trump, you own the media.So that story, whatever, you know, that's gonna get around, right?So that's much more effective.You're gonna back that horse.
Because where is Benjamin Netanyahu at the time of the 2020 election?He's going to prison is where he's at.That's where Bibi Netanyahu is.At the time of the 2020 election, the criminal proceeding against Benjamin Netanyahu is coming to an end.
Everybody knows that the Benjamin Netanyahu court case, the criminal case, got put on hold when he got elected.What got put on hold? Particularly, the case is over.It was sentencing that got put on hold.Sentencing.So that means this guy
If he steps out of power, because right now, because he just basically let all those hostages die, because surprise, we actually don't care about the hostages.
We just want a bunch of land and we want to, you know, we're going to A, steal all of Gaza and the West Bank.Then we're going to go start a bunch of wars with our neighbors.
Then we're going to get America to come and wipe out Lebanon and Iran in one fell swoop.And they will make greater Israel for us.I did it.I'm the greatest.
You can't be mad about all that criminal shit that I just got convicted of and you don't want to send me to jail anymore, right?Or, you could let all those hostages die and you could have a less than 11% approval rating.
Benjamin Netanyahu is the most hated man in Israel right now.Likud has no constituency, like Thomas and I talked briefly on Pete's election livestream with Old Glory Club.There is no native constituency for Likud anymore.
Benjamin Netanyahu takes one step out of office and he's in prison.His son's a faggot that lives in Miami.He has no legacy.It's over with.Everything that he built will be torn down and he will be thrown in a box and forgotten about until he dies.
Unless he starts a war.Donald Trump is a guy that you cannot let in the White House then.If Donald Trump gets in the White House after you stabbed him in the back, you are not getting your war.
And as Thomas laid out, the conflict in Ukraine, again, anybody that is listening, please go check out Thomas' and Pete's conversations on the war in Syria and what the war in Syria is actually about.
And what the conflict in Ukraine and Russia is actually about. Because Donald Trump stopping the war in Ukraine tells you exactly what he's going to do with the war in Iran.He understands what the actual game is.
So if he doesn't want war in Russia and Ukraine, he doesn't want war in Iran.It's the same conflict.So that means Benjamin Netanyahu is in between a rock and a hard place.He is fucked.
And at the same time, I find it funny, which is why I agree with Pete.Pete said, you asked Pete to stack rank the targets for you.Who does the right hit first?Do we hit the neocons?Do we hit the finance people in the city of London?
Do we hit the left?In which order do we attack these people?And I agree with Pete's assessment, has to be the neocons.What do they do?What did they do?What did they do in 19? Sorry, in 1915.What did they do in 1940? Right.
How come we had the most powerful man in the United States?We had the chairman of GM, chairman of Ford, the DuPont family, the Morgan family.All right.The Rockefeller family, the head of the Republican Party, Father Cochran and all the Catholics.
All right.We had Huey P. Long and all the Southern Democrats.We had the chairman of the fucking Democratic Party and the former president.They're on they're on the same team.How do you break that up?How do you stop that?A war.That's how you stop it.
and that's the only thing that'll save them now, is a war.
The reason I grabbed a notepad while you guys were talking is I wanted to make sure I could hit these all, because the city of London, what Pete was talking about, that setup that they have, they've basically been vampirizing the United States.
you know, citizenry for 60 years to support literally the American citizen is ground up into a fine paste mixed with a viscous fluid and turned into an oil to grease the wheels of global capitalism.Globalism writ large. that's coming to an end.
The sovereign debt collapse, like, I'm sorry, what Pete was talking about with currencies, if a currency moves three cents in a year, that is a huge fucking deal.They don't lose a quarter of their value in six months.
At the same time that the bond market's collapsing.They've basically been using Hypothecated fake money, I'm not gonna go into how they do it, but they print a bunch of fake money through a bunch of fake debt offshore.
Federal Reserve's not even in control of this, don't have any fucking say in it.And they use that debt to smush the futures contracts and suppress the price of commodities, right?Who produces the commodities?Commodity producing nations.
That's what they do. All right, so you can basically thumb the whole third world down, extract all their resources with these fake dollars.That's breaking.Right.The left, the left is in tatters.The left is trying to go be nice to us.
So Pete is 100 percent right on that order of attack.And the reason that we're going to win is because When all those fucking Jews were like, yes, this is the media landscape, we control the media landscape.It is a landscape, it's territory.
It's the most important territory.The digital landscape is the new media landscape.It is the high ground, it's the most important place.We control all the good territory now.
I agree, I agree.I gotta get going.Pete, I'll give you the last word if you have a response.
Please, I talked for way too long.
that Israel is only projected Yeah, by Benny Gantz and, you know, so Netanyahu's challenges, the extremists, the religious Zionism party, even extremists, they appear to be struggling.
So it appears that the quote unquote right in Israel is falling apart. And this is the best thing that can happen for us because it takes war off the table.And it also.It's like a big fuck you to the city of London.
And it just it pushes Israel that much close closer to becoming just another.Gigantic global home, global homogenous the Yeah, that is eventually what's going to be.
I think it's going to be the downfall of Israel, not that Israel will disappear because we don't want Israel to disappear.We want them to become something else because we want Jews to have some place to go when.
No more people start noticing and noticing and noticing and noticing, and they're just going to not.Whenever that happens, they are tempted.At least now they have a place to go.
Yeah, well, the problem with that is they don't want to go there.Yaki points this out.He says Zionism is a huge sigh up because nobody fucking wants to go to Israel.They want to come to America.
And when they started fleeing Eastern Europe and all those places, they didn't go to Israel.They came to America.
Well, that changed, that changed over the over the decades.A lot of people like a lot of Jews like to go to Israel.They like to have that out.
that they stay in the end and they're going to stay in
Do you think Howard Lipnick is thinking like a Jew?It's just food for thought that we can all think about because they seem to be okay.David Sachs must know that if he gets his policy wishes, the state of Israel could not exist.
There's a chance it could not exist, because he doesn't know all the intricacies that we're talking about, right?So all he knows is that they're at war with, literally they started a war with all of their neighbors, right?
And that seven countries want to come kill him.And he's okay with the people that want to rush in and send US people, the only people that like, frankly, we are the only people that could save Israel.
and the only people that would want that to happen, David Sachs drummed out of government.So, like, where is this guy's head at?
Well, I don't want to arbitrarily cut the conversation off, but I got to get going.Shame.This was far more fruitful than I expected, because I didn't think we'd be able to get... What's that book?
Hitler Democrat by Leon de Groot. It's rare, a buddy of mine is doing sign-of-stock copies of it.It's... yeah.
Yeah, I know nothing about that book.I know who Leon DeGrelle is, though. So we got to, Stormy, we got to a lot more than I expected us to.
We covered almost every point we wanted to, but there's a lot more to talk about, so I hope you guys are willing to come back, and this was great.Absolutely.Yeah, happy to have you on for the first time.
Just think, no Jewish kingdom has lasted more than 80 years.What, 76 years now?
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