Hello everyone and welcome to the Misty Music Podcast with myself Lucy and David.Hello. And we're not in the pub this time.We've retreated back to our own houses.Because it's a school night.So maybe next time we'll be back in the pub.
Because I was just saying to you, I'm nervous now that I've not got alcohol.Well, I was going to say I've not got alcohol around me but I have got cider so I'm talking shite.But yeah, of course, our last one we were talking about Queen, Your Choice.
It's pretty good, wasn't it?
It's good fun.It was.I mean, it's easy for me because I love Queen.
Yeah, it's my bag, totally.But no, I really enjoyed it.Really enjoyed it and sounds like so many people listening did as well, which is good. So Rob, he said on Twitter, I'm not calling it X. I'm just not calling it X. Fuck Elon Musk.
You know what I mean?Can't say his name.Anyway, so Rob said, welcome back.I thought the game had broken Lucy. Yeah, there was a big gap.
But he went on to say, he was talking about, because we were discussing Don't Try Suicide in the last episode, and what Rob said is, he said, I always took the prick-teaser line to be about someone who keeps threatening to harm themselves.
The operative word in the title is try, but suggests it's all words.I think most of us have a complicated relationship with the song.Great tune, lyrics not so much.
um so yeah interesting yeah that's a funny one i i think i find it quite strange that i mean i get that it's controversial and stuff i get why it was controversial but it wasn't that it wasn't that controversial no no i know and i think i mean it isn't isn't really i think it's just when you start talking about these things and
this day and age.Tie yourself up.Oh right, okay.Solve it's time.What does it mean now?And that kind of thing, you know.Of course.And Ruddy, he says, welcome back you two.You've been missed.That's nice, thanks Ruddy.
I've been enjoying exploring new music through you and looking forward to Lucy's views on this.So that's what I mean before Ruddy listened to the episode.So that's nice.
But he never came back so maybe he thought my voice was straight.
Well no he did, he did.I'm just reading these in order when the tweets actually come in.So Kevin, our man Kevin, hello Kevin, he says what a marvellous surprise to wake up to.We'll be tuning in later for my walk.
Won't need to pre-listen to this album because as we said before, he's a massive Queen fan and does a Queen podcast.Ian Warrick, who's actually got a Blackadder podcast, so if you're into Blackadder, go and check that out.
So he says, excellent, I'll be tuning into this very soon. And Roddy came back and he says, I've just finished listening and loved the conversation, especially around Don't Try Suicide, there we go again.
I believe the song was an in-joke about one of Freddie's partners who threatened suicide if they ever broke up.Musically it's great, lyrically it should have stayed a private joke.
And then Leighton, he said tonight's soundtrack inspired by the new Mr Music Pod episode and he's taking a picture of the 5.1 surround sound version of the album, which he actually made a copy
of for me many many moons ago so um and it sounds great um pj he said there's only one song on this album i don't like and it won't be a surprise which it is no bias don't try suicide it must be you
Kevin came back and says, so glad to have Lucy and myself David.Myself David, right, that's what I used to say in my intro to the Lap of the Pods podcast, if you like.So with myself, so with Paul, Joe and myself David.
So that's this joke, myself David.So yeah. Pretty shite, but there you go.Really enjoyed this one.A great blend of perspectives.Perspectives?And he puts, which autocarrot changed to... Which autocarrot changed to pesticides?
Perspectives has changed to pesticides.And I thought, oh, he's fucked up as well.Autocarrot, but I think that's the joke.
I'm too dumb to get the joke. And I loved Lucy's take on Don't Try Suicide, another crack in the episode.You too, looking forward to a band I've never heard of next, which is obviously going to be this episode.
And Kevin would want to see Nick's Freddy biopic, that you need to cast a heavily accented Glaswegian in the lead role.Simply for the line, get these fuckers down to the studio, I want to record this.
Was that when you were talking about... Crazy Little Thing called on you?
Crazy Little Thing, yeah.And Doug says... Doug's from Columbus, Ohio.Doug's a good guy, I like Doug. And he said, after listening to the Misty Music Pod ep, I really want to hear a no-th-synth-th.Synths-th?I know, fuck, I can't speak.
I really want to hear a no-synths-episode-or-versions.Fuck!Right, start again.I really want to hear a no-synths-version of Play The Game, because we were talking about, obviously, the big... You know, like they're just messing about.
And I think I might be able to make that happen for Doug, because I think I might have the individual tracks for Play The Game.So I think I could, if the synths are sitting separately, I could maybe extract them out and see what it sounds like.
Aye, I'll look into that.Doug might not be listening now because he might not be listening for the one episode.Anyway, if you're not listening, Doug, fuck you.No, Doug's a good guy.Sorry for the profanity, I just can't help myself.
Doug goes on though, he says, on Dragon Attack the drum solo starts at 1 minute 33 seconds.That's really early in any track.That's a very good point.But it doesn't feel early, probably because I've already squeezed in two verses and two choruses.
God, that solo and bass solo are so tight.This is what I think about when I should be working.I love that. But yeah that was the kind of feedback for the episode and I guess the album as well from the guys.
A lot of these guys I know from the Queen podcast that I did.In fact all of them I know from that podcast so it was nice to see some people I haven't heard of from for a wee while and coming in and giving their thoughts.
Piping up and yeah absolutely.That's good.Yeah some good comments.
Yeah and then obviously at the end of the episode I asked you to listen to one of my albums which is the New Young Pony Club and The Optimist. So yeah, to get into that album a wee bit.So New Young Pony Club, there's a band from London.
There's only ever been three albums that they've done. and this is the middle album released in 2010.How I got on this band was when I was 18 I went to the NME Indie Rave Tour, which was kind of a thing at the time.
The New Young Pony Club was playing there, a band called The Sunshine Underground were playing, The Claxons were playing there and Another band called CSS that I absolutely loved as well.
They were like Portuguese but their translations weren't right but they were a proper party band and they were great to go and see.The New Young Pony Club kind of hit it a lot more with me and I enjoyed a wee bit looking back at some of the dates.
So it was the 6th of February and it was at the Barrellands.So because I can still picture walking down.That's my birthday.
So it was aye, and that was in 2007.You didn't invite me for my birthday.I didn't know you.
It was just a whippet.You should have been there.
And I went down a wee wormhole with this with how many times I thought I'd seen the new Young Pony Club and I thought I'd seen them two or three times because I definitely thought I'd seen them touring this album a few years later.
But when I was kind of looking back on some of the dates, it doesn't seem they've played all that many times.I think they supported Lily Allen and the Ting Tings and stuff for a couple of times, but so of the time.
So I definitely didn't see them at that, but I'm sure I've seen them tour this album. So I remember going down Young Thing with all my pals and going to this concert and it was probably, I mean I was 18, it was my first probably going out properly.
I'd obviously been to the Barrowlands before but it just was electric right and I thought you were laughing.I'm not, I'm joking. and it just was great kind of party fun.
I just had such a good time but I loved this band and they were obviously, it was obviously when their first album came out.
I think it was before their first album came out so they'd had a couple, there was a buzz about them with a couple, I don't know if they had an EP or the couple songs that they kind of had before the album was released that they were doing and it just was a real party kind of youthful album.
Fantastic Playroom. that was the album.And then I've obviously kind of followed them and then I was excited for this album coming out and when it came out I just remember it not disappointing and it's absolutely stuck with me.
What was this 10 years ago?15 years.For 15 years and I still think it's a good album.
I mean in the band and on, I think there's been a change in the kind of lineup but there's Ty Bulmer or Tahita Bulmer who's the singer in it and then there's Lou Hayter, Sarah Jones and Andy Spence.
Andy Spence is another kind of long-term kind of bandmate but yeah, along with Tahita Bulmer.So they've always stuck at it.
You know I like my women in music and you know I like my front women and stuff and I remember seeing Ty singing and I just thought she was cool as anything.When I think back, if I was 18 she would have been probably 24 or something.
I just thought everything from her look, her dance moves, the way she sang, her attitude, I hadn't seen much like that before and I had certainly never seen a side shave where half her head was shaven and it was kind of long at the other end.
I don't think that was a thing much before that was kind of popular at the time.So yeah, I just had a proper crush on her, the kind of dance and she's, in my opinion,
If you see her, she's brooding looking or moody looking and then she smiles and lights up the place.She's pretty small and I just thought she was cool as anything.The band were cool.
The other girls in it are preppy looking but straight laced looking.Andy's a cool guy as well.He would play the guitar on it.So yeah, just a band I've always loved. just kind of delighted to be speaking about it.
Their next album came out in 2013 and that's the three albums so there was like three years between the two albums.
So are they still together?
There's certainly been nothing since the last album but I mean they still kind of update things on social media and stuff now and again.
There's a bit of talk and pictures and things so I think if it ever came up maybe, I'm always hopeful that there'll be something else.I know it kind of took slightly different directions.
I was actually watching, I got stuck down a YouTube hole last night and I was watching Bat for Lashes on Jools Holland and I seen the drummer
playing for Back 4 Lashes as well so I'd seen that kind of maybe moving about and session drumming or whatever.
So yeah and I thought I'll stick this at you and see what you think it because this is probably, this is where maybe I cut my teeth on some of the music that I like and having, listening to the album again I honestly think it was correct.
quite forming for me on a lot of the music I liked and kind of the directions that it wasn't one of the first bands I kind of found myself and kind of stuck with but at that age probably it would have been one that I'd actually went out and seen and seen that that way and then kind of stuck with it and liked it and so in that way it was pretty formative for me and I thought this might be a wee bit
challenge for you.Because on paper, I mean, I think I said it was like dark pop stuff.I mean they get called indie wave, electronic.I mean seeing some of the comparisons, to me it's just kind of
I mean there's more guitars and stuff in the first ones than the last album.Certainly it's a lot more simpler and a bit more electronic.I thought this would be something you would probably never find yourself in.
Can I… I mean I know I've been rattling on for a wee bit but can I tell you what I think you'll think?
Well I was going to ask you to ask me what you think I'll think.
Yeah, so I think that… You'll... I think that you'll... Because you've stuck with it, I think there'll be bits you like about it.I think you'll like the riffs and the... that sort of stuff in it.The kind of tunes in it.The hooks and the catches.
I think you'll appreciate that.I think there'll be... I think there'll be bits you appreciate it, but I think you'll think it's shite.
Yeah, I think you'll think it's just no your bag, it's no your... I don't... I... I... I think... Yeah, I think you'll appreciate a lot of it, but I think it'll be polite and I think that you'll... I think that it's just no your sphere.
Well, you're right, it's definitely not my sphere.
So you're right on that one.But I'll tell you, so I'll describe my journey with this album then.
So, well, the first thing is I couldn't remember the name of the band, so I had to go back and listen to episodes.
I had to go back and listen to the beat, because normally I write it down and I hadn't written it because we were in the pub.
And, you know, and I thought, and I was, I actually, in fact, I searched on Spotify thinking, because I noticed something about a pony, And I was like, is it Dead Pony Club?I'm sure that's a band in it, Dead Pony Club.
And I think there is a band called Dead Pony Club.And I was like, no, I can't find this album, The Optimist.No, no, it's not this, isn't it?Because I remember the title, but I couldn't remember the name of the band.Oh, did I?Is that Bollocks?
I just couldn't find it anyway, I just couldn't find that, so I had to go back and listen.Oh right, okay, so Young Pony Club, right, okay.And found it, and obviously put it on, listened, and the first time I actually listened to it was...
Because I kept forgetting to put it on.I kept saying, I need to listen to this album tonight and I kept forgetting.And I was driving home from work and I went, oh right, I've remembered that, I'm going to put it on and drive home.
It's not always necessarily the best time to listen to an album because you're distracted and not only that, the engine noise can actually cancel out a lot of what you're hearing and things like that.
So it's maybe not always the best first impression.So yeah, I was driving home with that and I'm listening to it and nothing's landing at all, like nothing.
I was like, I don't like the vocals.
I can hear it's really well played, I can hear it's really well produced. And there's definitely talent in the band.I just can't find anything to grip onto.There's nothing pulling me in.
And I was like, oh, this might be the first one then that I'm coming back to Lucy to say thanks, but no thanks kind of thing, you know?But of course, you know, you give it a second listen, third listen and all the rest of it.
I mean, even after the second and third listen, I'm thinking, is it, sorry, what's her name, Tahita, is it?
Right, okay, let's say it's Tahita.
Yeah, let's say it's that.I was still thinking, nah, I'm just not getting to grips with her voice, I don't think. it's doing nothing for me, it's not not evoking anything in me.
With every singer that we've discussed prior to this one, I've got something out of every singer, you know, there's always been something that I've loved about their voice or liked about their voice or whatever but I'm just not getting any traction here at all.
What I did pick out was when the harmonies were in, I thought that's really cool, I like that, you know, the way the harmonies are actually Coming in, I think that's really cool.
And I didn't know if it was to Heat Arms herself or there was other singers because I didn't know what they looked like, I didn't know how they performed or anything like that at this point.I had no idea.
But I've not stopped listening to this album.
I've actually not stopped listening to it.
So I must have listened to this album about ten times.
Okay.And I can almost feel like I can't stop listening to it.In a good way?
Yes.I was hoping this.There was something in my subconscious that was just, I'm listening to this again and I'm looking forward to listening to it again.
and I'm like that's weird because it's almost like a part of me inside was kind of saying you're into this but like my conscious self wasn't there yet it was some fucking weird thing going on so what happened was like because I couldn't because you know you're talking about the catching is the hooks and all that yeah I couldn't hear any of that right see you see the fun you were playing at the start it starts the first lesson I was like I don't expect like actually I'm not hearing anything any hooks at all I don't get it aye
When it was the second listen or the third listen, I started hearing all the hooks and it started revealing things.It was starting to slowly come out and I'm like, fuck that's catchy as hell.That's really, really catchy.
And then I couldn't get the bloody melodies out of my head.I couldn't get the certain bits out of my head.It was just kind of just starting to get right under my skin.It's addictive, this album.It's actually addictive.
And you're right, it's not in my sphere at all.It's not in my wheelhouse, whatever phrase you want to use.Not at all.I mean... I didn't realise I'd already heard them, because that song Ice Cream, I didn't know it was them.
Yeah, it was on an iPod advert, wasn't it?
I'm pretty sure it was an iPod advert at really early doors and that's how it kind of went.
That's maybe what it was, but it's probably been used in loads of adverts, you know, or whatever, or it's been on Six Music or whatever, I don't know, but I said, oh, I didn't know that song.So that bit, of course, that was the only thing I did know.
Excuse me, sorry. But, listening to this, this is excellent.
It's actually excellent.Even the songs, as we'll come to as we break them down, there's songs that I thought were filler, and now having listened to them again, I'm like, no, these songs are fucking excellent.
They're not just filler, they've actually got something.You know?
Wow!Yeah!There's only one that I'm never quite sure of, Or it's my least favourite on the album and I don't even think I would call it filler.
Interesting, because I've got one that's like that as well.I'm maybe not as into this as the other ones, but it's still a good song.
And even Tahita's voice now, actually, I don't even think it's just I've got used to it, I now really like it.
I don't think it's just me getting used to it, I think I can actually hear what she's doing in her voice now.
And I think it's maybe a back to what you're saying about it not being my thing, so it takes a wee while for that kind of style to really, for you to really start to hear the nuances.
Because I found her very monotone, I didn't think she had a lot of melody in her voice.I thought, this is not a good singer, this is just somebody that can kind of hold a melody.
and it maybe just suits that style of music and people like it and that's fine that's that's okay but no i think she's more than that absolutely more than that and um yeah i'm it's one of these albums that i need to remember exists
Do you know what I mean?Because I don't want a year down the line to go like that and I've forgotten about it.Because sometimes I just want something that's like this, that's just easy.It's a very easy album to listen to, I think.It is.
It's easy to listen to but at the same time, I'm not trying to denigrate it because there's a lot of complexity in the arrangements and there's tons of clever stuff going on in this album, you know. But it is, for me, it's an easy listen.
Maybe because I've listened to it that much it's, you know, it's now easy to listen to, I don't know.But there is no way that first listen I'd be thinking I'd be sitting here saying this.
Because in that first listen I thought, nah, it's maybe time to say, I'm not feeling this, Lucy.I was almost thinking ahead to the podcast where I would say, Lucy, you just tell me why you love it. Do you know what I mean?Do you know what I mean?
I thought it was going to come to that and then I'd maybe say oh well like that wee bit or that wee bit was cool or I thought that's that's how the podcast was going to go.
That's what I thought though.That's what I thought as well that you would be polite and there'd be bits you would like about it and you'd kind of you'd you'd you'd pipe you'd pipe up at different bits or what but it just wouldn't be your bag.
But it's always, I never want to give you anything that I think, oh you'll hate this, here's an album that I think you'll hate.
You know, I want to give you, if I gave you the first album, if I gave you Fantastic Playroom, you probably would be, you probably just wouldn't like it. And I think there's elements of it that kind of go on to this album.
There's elements that I think where you can see they've moved, they've took bits from that album and made it better and made this album.It's a bit darker and everything so maybe a bit more... Not kitsch the first album but it's...
I don't think it would be your bag.I think the next one might be.I think NYPC, the next one would maybe be more of your thing then if you're getting kind of hooked onto this one.
But yeah, I want to give you something that I think you'll like and I think you'll see why I like it and all that.So I'm glad it's kind of...
Yeah, I thought it's, you know, because as I said, I thought, this is something that must be quite throwaway for Lucy.It must be just something that gives her a bit of joy, but there's, because I'm not hearing any real substance in this at all.
And now, no chance.I'm like totally changed around on it.And I think this is the, if anybody's listened to this podcast and had listened to the album before they come on once,
and you're thinking it's not your thing, please give it second, third, fourth listen, you know?Even if it's in the background while you're making your dinner or whatever, I would urge you to put this on if you feel this is not your thing.
Because, and that's the thing about this whole podcast, when you're forced, yeah forced might be a strong word, but when you need to listen to something a few times to actually extract what you're going to talk about,
you're actually, you're giving the album a proper hearing, if you know what I mean?One listen, you're never gonna, because that's what I'm saying, now I listen, I hear, I'm hearing, every listen I've heard something new, do you know what I mean?
Every listen there's been something new coming in and I'm like, oh, oh, oh, that wee bit, you know, because it's quite densely layered as well, you know, with the synths and all the rest of it, and even vocals.
and so yeah yeah please and i think that's this is just the thing and i'm starting to think even bands because do you know what uh michael michael legg um was saying that we should both do an album that we both hate or a band that we both hate yeah it's so true and because because you're saying you want to give me something that i wouldn't hate but i would maybe appreciate in some level but yeah we should maybe do that something people hate but then it got me thinking like
There's bands and artists I hate, but if I was to sit and listen to a band I hate for, listen to their album three or four times, as painful as that might seem to be, maybe by the fourth listen I'd be like, do you know what, I can actually appreciate this, you know?
Who knows, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean it's funny that you thought, oh this is maybe a bit throwaway of that for me because, you know, I still actively listen to this album and enjoy it and enjoy so many of the tracks on it and, you know, when I went to that NME Indie Rave tour that was kind of a bit of a scene or something at the time, I mean I was never, I never listened to the clack since.
I still put on CSS now and again. But it's a bit of a novelty to me.But New Young Pony Club have stuck with me and I think there's a reason.
I think it's quality and I think when you say you haven't been able to stop listening to it, I think there is something kind of hypnotic in the sounds and the vocals and everything. but I do just love it.
I do just love this album and I was so excited about this album coming out from seeing them at the beginning and then when this album came out when it was all the stuff I loved from the first album. just more of it on this album.
So it really played into my... just being a bit darker because even the first album cover, you know, it was white, it was light, fantastic playroom and then going into this, the album covers, it's dark, you know, it's a kind of snippet from one of the album covers with just Ty on the front of it kind of turning and just kind of dancing and
but it's dark and the optimist it's a bit funny and i've always liked the kind of lyrics as well that are written on it as well because i think a lot of it's quite clever and quite funny at times and there's a couple words in there that i think oh what's that and i have to maybe kind of
not look up but there's one word even when I was like doing my wee bit research for this I didn't quite realize that that was the lyric and I just think I just think it's clever eh?It's not a long album it's 10 tracks on it.
I think it works out about 45 minutes I think.
Yeah yeah Spotify seem to suggest yeah.
I know I know I know I know before MDC.Ah wait let's do Spotify first.
I do Spotify, is that not cool?
It's just cos they don't pay their artists any money.It's hard, innit?I'm still gonna use it though.
Because I just pay your artist more money like I'm paying you.I was even looking for my ticket stubs from when I went to go and see them the day.I was proper having like a wee… Nostalgia trip.
Yeah, I don't think I ever bought a t-shirt but I definitely had a keyring.An I heart NYPC keyring.Definitely still got that.But yeah, I'm delighted.I'm pleased day by day because it just gives us a bit more to talk about.
I mean, that's the thing, you've really expanded... since we started this, you've definitely expanded my...
fucking horizons or some pish like that but you know I mean you have you know in terms of what I listen to you're broadening my you know my kind of my reach in terms of music you know and we're doing this you know so.
But I think this was a wee bit of a punt for me because I know you're going to listen to eggy pop and be able to appreciate
And I know you're going to listen to Carole King and be able to go yeah of course, of course and see it and everything like that whereas this is a bit of a punt on something that you really probably know nothing about and totally blind album or what.
So aye, you want to get into the album?
Yes.Fix my mic as well.It keeps falling.
Yeah, so first track opens with Lost A Girl, one of their singles.One of their singles from this one, eh?So aye, I mean for me this is probably classic. Typical of the albums, the tracks on this album eh?
It's got the big riff and drum beat with the breathing at the start.You can tell it's a single from the album.The spacey synthesizers on it.The way it sounds. This is classic in New Young Pony Club for me.
So right, okay, is this typically the... when you say classic is it just like something that's just a really popular song or is this kind of sum them up do you think?
Partly and I think it kind of showcases them quite well as well.I don't know if you got a chance to watch any of the videos or any of them performances or anything like that on YouTube.
But this one does have a video.I've seen the video for this, yeah. Yeah and I think I was blown away.I know this is maybe really girly or what eh?
But with this album, so she always had like really jet black hair as well when like in the first album and then of course she dyed her hair blonde for this album or some of this album anyway and when I like this video where kind of bleached the blonde hair and everything I always think the video for this is quite cool it's just her kind of dancing and walking about and then at the end she's wearing like this white shirt and kind of spinning around and dancing and stuff like that and then
I just thought it was pretty cool.And this is the one that I was telling you about at the start.I'm kind of jumping all over the place.Sorry.But one of the lyrics in this is, well it's Watch as the wings, and I always thought it was unfold.
Like watch as the wings.Looks like you've lost a girl.
Yeah, yeah.That's what I heard.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never heard that word before.I did a Google and it's like wings unfold.So I was like, oh, that's a new word.I like that.But for me, the bit in this track that I love the most is C. I mean, the whole thing is that kind of drool.
and I'll probably use that word quite a bit, is that it looks like you've lost a girl and it's kind of speaky and then there's a bit towards the end where it goes higher and it's like, looks like you've lost a girl, you know, kind of higher, watches the wings unfurl.
It sounds so good in my ears.
I like the way, the bass it starts, it's kind of like The Cure or something.Or like New Order or something like that.You know it's got that.Which I think is great.
This song does contain the thing that, the only thing in the album that I don't like and it's just the vocal at the start.
The lyrics or the I'm kissing your hand, I'm kissing your hand?
So I've got to a point where I'm used to it but I don't necessarily like the delivery and it's the only bit that I don't like in the whole album.
Yeah, it's obviously deliberately meant to be that way, but it's just no landing for me.But again, I'm used to it now, so I know it's coming.
Because I think even when the album started, when it was like that, that first time I heard it, I was like, this is going to be a long trip.So I'm not massively keen on it, but again, I'm used to it now.But then when it opens up,
the kind of the la la la bits you know the la you know opens up this gets really kind of reverb and all that you know that's when it starts getting really interesting you know and when she sings the sticks and stones um do play their part i always expected to say sticks and stones
do break bones or something you know you expect it to kind of complete the rhyme then they say they played a part you know like such so it kind of shifts a wee bit and you're in my head certainly anyway but but I love the wee bit where it can before it comes into the chorus it teases it it's kind of like almost got a wee ghost but you know in the background
looks like you've lost the girl and it goes that boom and then it goes right into the full kind of.
I think that's really, really clever, really, you know, the production techniques is excellent on that, you know, and I think even when she gets to the end of the song, looks like you've lost the girl, you know, goes a bit higher.
That's what I'm saying, when it gets higher and stuff, that's when I love it, man.
I was like, oh, that's, that's pretty, that's pretty cool.
Even the wee bit, the very last line when she sings, like, looks like you've lost a girl, watch as the wings unfurl, but it's like, the way she delivers that last line, it's, oh, there's a tug in my heart with that bit, eh, there's a... It's just that escaping as well, you know, I think, watch as the wings unfurl, you know, that's it, I'm away, you know, I've... Yeah, yeah.
So I get it, I get the bit about the start, the... the delivery, the stark bit that I'm kissing your hand, I'm kissing your hand, the kind of repetition, I get that, but I forgive it for where it kind of goes.
I mean, listen, it's just me.I mean, it's not to say it's like a bad bit, but I think when it gets proper in, you know, but the harmonies are brilliant, you know, the vocal harmonies are superb.
That's I mean the high bit as I said that's that's when I kind of started feeling something when I looked and I was like oh this is there's something going on here yeah with the vocals you know that I've been kind of dismissive of previously you know yeah um but this song is is catchy as hell it's
you know I mean it's again it's one when it comes on you're like oh cool.
Yeah and you can see why it's a single and you can see why it's um but I know me I don't think there's a bad song in this album at all.No I don't think there is either.
But I think I think there's other ones which I'm just like where I'm like oh no this is this is superb but um But I still have got time for this song, eh?
Still got time for it.Oh yeah, no, totally.And that was like the second or third listen, maybe the third listen, when I started hearing, oh that's clearly a single, that's clearly a single.
You know, the ones that were jumping out, I was like, they must have been singles.Then you find out they were, and this being one of them, you know. And I do agree with the video, it's cool.It is a cool video, eh?
That kind of wavy kind of thing going on when she's kind of moving about but it's all kind of you don't really see her properly and it's all kind of... Yeah and it's kind of dark and all that and then I think it takes it to like the very last line before she kind of smiles and she's got one of these things where she is quite
flat and then in mapping she's got a smell that kind of lights up.So I like that contrast as well.Just her in this video.
So the next song being Chaos, that was the first video I saw.So the first time I saw the band and I was like, oh!Because when I seen what Tahita looked like, in my mind's eye I thought she'd look more like the keyboard player or the drummer.
Do you know what I mean?That's what I had in my head, probably a fringe and really thin and kind of like unassuming and all that.Preppy, yeah.Preppy, yeah.That's kind of what I thought she was going to look like, you know?
And then when I saw, I was like, oh, that is just not what I was prepared for when you actually see her.Yeah, yeah.
So that was kind of like, because you've got something in your head and then you see something and it just completely, did it change it?It might have, I don't know.
but not in a negative way at all you know it just maybe changed it because i'm maybe starting to visualize the band yep when i went back to listening again you know i know what they look like i know you know um because i wasn't sure if it was like just a female singer an all-male band or whatever or all female or what the deal was you know yeah um i wasn't really obviously not don't know anything about the band you know but uh
that just shows how the visuals are so important as well and your perception of what what because obviously that's part of that that gets put out and everything as well and what people what the band or what the artist wants you to see so yeah absolutely because i was as i was watching the video as i was thinking to myself i wonder if david thinks they look like this and can address like this and stay like this quick after listening to the album and probably what but maybe a band like like um
What was the other band I gave you?It's totally... why's it slipped my head?The... The Scots band.
Cam Obscura, like that kind of... If you were thinking it would be along their lines or what.But yeah, yeah.Because I think they look pretty cool and there is a bit of a contrast between them.Yeah, absolutely.
I was always absolutely captivated with Ty's dancing in it.They were a good live band.They were really, really good to see.And just the kind of dancing and style and kind of movement, I always just thought was fab.Always kind of stuck with me.
And there's a wee hint to it in some of the, and certainly the next one when we'll go into Well we might as well go on to talk about Chaos, another one of the singles.Again another
heavy riff intro and again catchy you can tell why it's a single you can hear the guitars it's ultra catchy it could be the catchiest song on the album like you know it could be or or possibly the one three later you know um the you know one uh we want to yeah we want to you know that that's that could be a contender for the catchiest as well but i mean that's it the singles are the catchiest songs on it yeah oh totally um
I like the way you've got the kind of opening bass line and the wee kind of bits, the way the drums come in and lock in with it.
I love the drums on this album.
Oh, the drums are excellent on this album.
The drums on this album are good, aren't they?
Absolutely excellent.And it's just hooks.It's one of, again, another one of those ones when it comes on you're like, oh yeah.
It just satisfies me because there's so many hooks in it but it's not, it's really clever as well, you know, how they actually piece together the song.The synth work on The album as a whole but this song as well.
It's almost hard to decipher at times because there's so much going on.
again aye this is this is excellent this is when i'll get knackers singing in the car because i'm so excited and it's yeah yeah yeah um like buzzing feeling and and this one as well is where you start to see some of the good lyrics coming in you know uh you know the whole uh we like a little chaos we like a little thrill don't take the breaks that were meant to save us make life a better pill and i'm starting to like a bit
the kind of cynicism in a lot of the lyrics in this album.I think if I remember, I'd seen a few interviews where they spoke about it and they toured so extensively with their first album.
I think they were all over the world and I think it was really gruelling probably and pretty hardcore and probably a lot of excess and all that sort of stuff.
And then when they came back and they eventually went to write this album, this was kind of off the back of that. um that excess and that kind of yeah like kind of hardcore so i like the the kind of back down to earth the kind of the
It's a funny kind of melancholy in this album.I mean it's a bit of a joke that it's the optimist in that.
I know what you mean because sometimes you'll get really kind of dark stuff going on but the vocal seems quite hopeful where over the top of it and stuff and there's kind of like darker stuff going on underneath and vice versa and you know I think it's really really a real clever blend.
You know, of the pop sensibility but still can have a wee bit, can have like, there's something not quite right here.
Absolutely, yeah.And I think that's one of the big appeals to me is that's what I'm saying, it's that dark pop where it might sound quite hopeful.I mean, like I say, this song, the song before as well,
I could belt this out and probably have a great night listening to this and be dancing and all that sort of stuff.But there is also that bit where it's like whitewash all your life as the lights go down.It's like that kind of cynicism.
I picked up that line two listens ago, that whitewash line.
That's excellent. and you can be building that out like having a great time but obviously there's an undercurrent with this album as well.I say undercurrent like it's quite hidden, it's not.
You mentioned about the video for this one, this is where you do see the whole band isn't it?It's pretty straightforward.
It's like a performance video.
It's a performance video and then she's kind of separate where she's with the mirrors and that and she's got the kind of spikes on her shoulder pads and that.She's wee, eh?She's quite totey.So a bit of a bigger presence in that.
It's excellent.I mean I love the draggy drum beat even over the verses.Yeah. I love that, but the actual line is the line, they've got us lining up line on line.
So the way they just, you know, they got us lined up and then they all come in line on line, you know, with the harmony.They've just, they've got a real clever knack of knowing where to put the harmonies in and take them back out.
And, you know, and I just, it's just, that's probably every bit of this song is just hooky as hell, you know?But no, it's excellent.I think it's excellent.
Because it's the same with, I think, the similar bit that you're talking about where it's got us lining up, playing online.And then... Just let me play it in my head.
the same with the the things you'll never know and then it's got oh yeah tell me it's like that same i've read but even the things you'll never know that's catchy and then the chorus is catchy and you know but again i just kind of believe like the first lesson i never picked up on any of this
I wonder why that is, that is strange to me.
I'm not picking up anything, there's nothing going on here.
When I gave it to you I thought, oh you might not pick up on the overall stuff but I thought, oh you'll definitely pick out the riffs and the kind of, you'll like that bit and whatever so we'll have at least something to talk about.
But yeah, I mean it fires on to The Optimist.
This might be one of my favourites.I mean, the driving bass and drums, excellent.
You know, Your Name Is Not For Me and all that, you know, the lyrics in it are, you know, really, I don't know exactly what it's saying, because I'm not actually, that's the one thing I'm not done is I'm not actually looking at all the lyrics in the album.
So, but, and the bit at the end where it breaks into that, it's like, When it just opens up, I mean that's fucking class, you know, that ethereal kind of sound, you know, just sounds excellent.
It's just, I think the mixing of the vocals is really, really clever, you know, it's really syncing, because maybe, okay, maybe objectively, and I've alluded to it, maybe she's not the strongest singer in the world, you know, I don't know, but they've been able to kind of use what she's got in her voice and pull it
You know, push it forward, pull it back, put some effects over it to make it sound the way it needs to sound at times.But I think this particular song is excellent.I think it's one of the best in the album for me.
Yeah, I mean, there's a weird mix of it being quite heavy and then, like you say, it kind of ends it up on that.It's almost kind of epic feel towards the end.And then it's a big, long intro.It's like a minute and a half intro.
that's I that's that before there's any vocals ah yeah that's true yeah it's like the kind of riff that comes in at the beginning and then it's the there's a like a drum beat and then there's like it's almost like traffic noise the kind of sound so on it where it's like um kind of it kind of moves from side to side and then it starts the kind of quick drums and
Yeah, I love the effects on the voice.I don't know if it's like reverb or what.Lots of reverb on the album, yeah, yeah, yeah.And then we wake up in the morning, you know, to miss you're a clean slate babe.Maybe.We always thought it was baby.
but that bit where it kind of goes on towards the end of the song where it just it gets to that epic bit with it with a big ahs in the background and then it repeats that you have said you know your name's not for me I try not to be disappointing and it
kind of goes into space where it is.
And it's clever lyrics again, that's where it's starting to get, you know, I mentioned it in the last song Chaos and things where it's not so on the nose, I don't know exactly what it means or what it's about or something, you know, sometimes you can pinpoint it as a bad relationship or as a love song or whatever.
There's a lot of the songs in this album I don't quite know. But I know it sounds good.It's a good thing.Yeah, it is where it's like, like I say, where you can It's a ballad-y song or it's a love song or it's a I'm a pissed off song or whatever.
I can't pinpoint quite a lot of them and this is them.I mean I take it as tongue-in-cheek with the, you know, the optimist thing and then, you know, and it is that kind of drool.It spells the diarrhoea forever and things.
But yeah, it does sound good on this.Again, the drums sound excellent, that kind of quick You know, good.
Aye, and the bass.The thing about the album is the bass and the drums are driving the whole album.You know, it's just like everything seems to start with bass and drums and then just layering on top of it.But all the songs sound different though.
It's not as if it's like, oh, it's just the same vibe all the way through where, you know, the lyrics have changed.It's not like that at all.
No, you're so right and that's actually something I was thinking about maybe a week ago when I was listening to it. There's something I like with a lot of artists, a lot of bands, where it's like, I know the sound.
You could probably, if they were to release an album tomorrow, I would assume I would know straight away that that's who it is.
As soon as they've got a continual thing through their albums, and a lot of the artists are like that, I can pick up an album and be like, oh, that's a,
that's an alexander savior album that's a pj harvey album that's a whatever i know the the thread that goes through it but at the same time it sounds they all sound different to me if that makes sense yeah yeah yeah where it's like
It's a continuation where it's like, no, it sounds true to me or authentic to me that this is their bag, even though the albums are different.If that makes any sense.It makes sense in my head.
No, it definitely does make sense, you know what I mean?I suppose it's the DNA of a band or a particular time or they'll probably have a thread going through their music or even just their albums.
But yeah, Optimist Eye, I think this is... and the drums are brilliant on it.
You know, that shuffling beat with the snare and stuff, you know?
and then it fires onto stone which I always thought see with the intro and this I was just like oh I don't like this it was this is when I would oh really I used to early doors kind of skip it and then and then the more I would listen to it or what I'm like why why on earth did I flaming think this was a daft song it's I don't know if it's because
the intro and the vocals at the beginning are strange.They're different.They're a bit different compared to the rest of the album.You know, the kind of hollow, you know, the days in a land forgot or something that opens up in it.
I'm like, well, this doesn't sound like what the rest of the album sounds like to me.But then when you listen to it, It's a class song, eh?It's like that constant electric chatter at the beginning, you know, is strange.
And then it kind of moves more into a rhythm conscious song, you know, from the second verse.And then the layered vocals, this is one where it's like,
It is... I don't know if it is just more reverb or a slightly different kind of picture, whatever, but... Yeah, yeah.Sorry, I've ranted.I kind of got too excited.
No, no.Well, listen, this is another one of my favourites.
I think this is excellent.
I mean the synth at the start it's like Tangerine Dream or something you know it's got that kind of synthy thing going on yeah and then the vocals I think the vocals are superb on this um you know the harmonies you know I think it's like things that land forgot you know you know and and you know there's a reaching up and back then you know um the melody is brilliant and then the sensitive but I love the way
you know the sounds just bubble under and then it goes into that kind of really 8-bit sound, almost like a computer game sound.It comes away and it just bubbles right up.You know, hang on, that's fucking brilliant.Really love it.
Because I thought it was like chattering to me, the kind of constant, you know?
Yeah, I mean that's possibly what it's evoking, you know what I mean?But no, I think it's excellent.It's very understated, there's not a lot going on in it.
But I just think with the synth work and the vocals, I think together are just superb.
This is one as well that kind of gets stuck in my head even though like you say there is a simplicity to it where when a lot of the chorus is just you're stoned that's what you are, you're stoned and it gets repeated kind of for quite a long time but that'll be that and the melody that goes with that gets stuck in my head that one.
You know?I don't think this is a... No it's not a three minute song anyway it's like kind of four minutes ten it always feels like a kind of shorter one to me.
Shorter yeah I think it's probably like we say there's not much going on.
Kind of condensed or what.But definitely a melancholy kind of feel and then but it gets a bit more lush as it kind of goes on.Yeah.Which is I'm glad that's interesting that that's one of your kind of favourite
I think it's excellent.I think it's, I mean, but, you know, it could change, you know, with this album.I think that's one of the kind of albums that, you know, that things start to come out.
And as I said, towards the end of the album, as we will get to them, one or two I thought might have been filler and now they're starting to kind of really move up for me.
I'm like excited to get to that because there's a bit where I think it changes for me a bit, eh? But yeah, and then it jumps on to be one to another one of the single.I mean, this is kind of paired with Chaos and Lost the Girl for me.
Yeah, oh yeah.I can almost look at a wee trilogy.
Yeah, absolutely.I mean, it's upbeat, almost kind of quirky. And it's got that vampy sound.It's definitely like a shoulder shaker.I mean this has got to be a fan favorite.
I mean if that's getting played live that's, I mean it's a happy, that's a happy day.
It was the, I think it was the, I was looking up. I came across the NME review of this album.
Do you know when you read some reviews of albums it's like the journalist has to tell you how much they know about the band and it was just that phrase, just talk about the fucking album.
I'd already heard the album quite a number of times when I read the review but they were saying, I think the point the journalist made was that, because I think Lost a Girl and Chaos had already been out of singles and then the album came out.
It says when you think they're done with all the big crack action numbers then We Want To kicks in and you're like, you know, almost like, wow, another one that's just as big and full of hooks, you know?But the vocals are brilliant on it.
I mean, see the first bit where it's like, when it starts that, it was fun for five minutes.That's the way she sings that.I've always loved that.I mean, if I stink of frustration, it's a perfume.
perfume of excess I think you know it's like that it is a bit pissed off and that kind of cynical and I mean I just love that it's fun for five minutes you know I preferred it when I had less time if you're sick of sensations you know I mean it's this is fun to me I mean I know it's supposed to be funny and it is that I mean this one probably makes more sense to me I mean I might be totally off it here but
where it's like we've done that, we've had that kind of wild time with the last album and getting a bit of the bullshit probably that comes along with it and the whole thing is, you know, I don't want to do any of this without you, you know?
So I think this is, yeah, it is that kind of
cynical but kind of upbeat like well i want to do it with you if i'm going to do all this shit i'm going to do it with you yeah yeah um so um yeah and the video for what this one's weird eh where it's like did i see i did see i'm pretty sure what's in the video it's like it's almost like the eastern european kind of commercials oh yeah the adverts and stuff are all that is really cool yeah yeah yeah you know it looks like they're trying to sell like a um
exercise machine or something it's it's probably it's like a walkman and stuff yeah yeah a washing machine or what and then a lot of consumerism yeah and that's um there is a bit of that that's probably i mean i had it on on youtube the other night and my man friend was like god that was really a thing at the time like the he goes was this was this album out like the early two like the 2000s i was like no it was later in the like 2010 but it was probably it must have looked a bit
No dated, but... Aye, but the kind of thing, yeah, yeah.But it gives me a wee bit of a laugh because it's all the fake smiles and the... Aye, yep.
The way they're all dressed and stuff and aye, aye.That is a really cool video actually.I forgot about that.But excellent pop song.
Yeah, absolutely.And then it goes on to Dolls.
So, least favourite on the album? Least favourite, yeah.This is your least favourite?
This is my least favourite as well?
I mean it's... It's weird that, aye?I didn't think we would have synced up.
I mean, I get it.Yeah?It's the... you know, it's that... it just takes the... It's a bit too novel for me.It's a bit too... just a bit naff.And I don't know if it's... Dolls is a strange... all these dolls who want my attention and stuff.
It's not a nice... Well, do you know what I thought when I realised the song was called Dolls?Because I didn't know the title of the song at the time.And I thought she was singing, all you dorks that want my attention.
And I thought, that's actually better. Oh yeah, it's just like you docks I'm getting it, you won't get anywhere near me, you know.But dolls, yeah, yeah.
But again, you alluded to it at the start, I don't dislike it, it's just the weakest one for me as well. I think some of it's kind of, you kind of feel like you've heard it before, some of it.
Like, what is the one that you're running around this, what's the lyric, the town, this, oh, the one about running about this town, I can't remember the lyric.
But that particular melody and the grime and the bit with the town is like, it feels like it's,
I don't know if I've heard it before or it's been overdone or you know that vibe or the words I don't know the sum of it but it just feels like it's not that original.
You're sure right it is that it's I'm sick of all the running around doing in this town.
Yeah and it's that, I suppose it's the poser kind of, I mean that's what's that, so it is that kind of, it's quicker eh?So it's like, it was a pose, you're such a performer, you know, it's a bit naff.
Yeah, but I do like that, I do, saying that, I don't mind the kind of, and you won't do this and you won't have that, I mean that bit's okay, I mean, It isnae bad, you know, it really isnae bad, you know.
And I do actually like the bit when it breaks down and it goes... You know, they just hear the sound to it and then she goes, oh, you does... You know, because it might just kind of change and then it just breaks down.
I quite like that, it's actually quite smart.The one bit I don't like about it... I mean, I like the bass tone, the bass tone's really dirty.
Yeah, it's heavy, isn't it?
Yeah, I like that. But I don't like the wee organ-y bit.I thought it was an organ but it might actually be a guitar with an effect.
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Yeah, and another reason I can more accept this is because it's right before track seven, before the light, which is just, this is where it starts getting fucking good for me, this album.
This is where it's like, oh, you know, kind of jumping about between singles and this and kind of, not different sounds, but for me, the next You know, this is, I mean, before the light, it sounds sad.
It's like a, it's definitely got jumping from dolls where it's like that kind of upbeat. punky, pop punky sound or what and then jumping from that to Before the Light.
I mean it is that, it does start that kind of, the droll that I've kind of come to love with the vocals and then it starts, you know, it's slow away.It's that I've lost one, I've found one, back to the beginning with it.
I just love that song and then it's complemented really well with the chorus, the high bits where it's like, oh look at you turn it, you know, out the lights.That's catchy.
It's got that kind of repetitive piano bit where it comes in where it's just like dun, dun, dun.That's the worst piano.
that I've ever done but there's a bit, it's almost like a kind of longing sound and it's just a repetition with the piano bit and then where it kind of comes in with the synths and then it
there's a bit when the kind of second verse where it comes back down again to kind of the bare minimum where it starts building up and then drops right back down to the kind of minimum and then it goes like that kind of high bit where it's like the kind of chorus and then another bit that I love in this album is where there's bits in the background where there's like talking there's wee bits
And I love that about this album and this has definitely got one where there's, you know, at the end you can hear her speaking in the background and, you know, lost one and then whatever.
And I love that because I can still pick out, I wonder what she's singing there or it just adds to that kind of the grandness of the song, you know. I'm actually out of breath from trying to explain that.
I know, and I think that I knew I would struggle to talk about a lot of these songs in what's going on and trying to get what I'm thinking onto the page here.But again, it's like you're saying, as much as it's kind of brooding and kind of, you know,
quite understated I suppose to a degree the song but but again you've got the bass and drums driving it again and but you're right about the catchiness I mean don't look at me now look at my intellect you know that's a catchy way she sings it and it's kind of like so it's really kind of
But it sounds sad, it sounds the way she delivers it, it sounds like she's either fed up or sad, you know, it's one of the two.
Yeah, things I leave behind like footsteps always just, that sounds sad doesn't it?I don't know if it's meant to be or what, eh?
When I sing it seriously it's like the things I leave behind like footsteps and it goes back to that and I just feel it slumps back into the darkness right after that but you know again it's just, it's really effective you know.
Yeah, the piano bit lifts it.There's a couple bits, there's enough things in it that kind of lift it.I think the, I like the kind of question and answer thing where it's like, it goes to the, look at you turning out the lights.
And then it's like, lost one, found one.And then there's a bit where I think it's the other girls in the band.They're definitely on the kind of backing vocals ones that are, you know, I think one of them, sings the I Lost One as well.
It just kind of gives it a different, a totally different sound because you're that used to.
Yeah because it is two people having a conversation.
And you're that used to the sound of Tahida's voice and then when it kind of throws in one of the other girls it's a nice kind of balance.
Yeah, I think it's excellent.I think again one of the strongest on the album as well.
I love this song.I absolutely love this song, yeah.And then it picks up again for Oh Shiree.Do you know anyone called Shiree?
I did a long time ago.It was, you know, the only person I've known that was Cherie and it was the whole My Cherie Amour, you know.
Pretty little one that I adore.
Yeah, it was actually my cousin.Sometimes I'd go and stay over with my cousin over the summer holidays and stuff when I was about 10, 11, whatever.And it was just, you know, you'd play in the street and it was just a girl that
lived at his bit was called Cherie.That's the best I've ever known is called Cherie.Really shite story, but there you go.
Yeah, so, um, I mean, well, you know, I can't fucking sing, you know, but you know, um, I like that cause it's, it's kinda, it's kind of almost like,
I know I just keep saying dark all the time, but it's kind of like, it's playful, but it's kind of like... No and no at the same time.It kind of feels a wee bit kind of... I think there's something up.
You know, it's kind of like the da-da-da, almost like trying to force happiness or something, or trying to be optimistic when you're not feeling it.You know, and that kind of thing, you know.Which I like.It really works for me.
Yeah, I think that bit is so melodic.
Yeah, to me it's catchy, again, she keeps saying catchy because that's what this album is.
Yeah, but I can see, you know, somebody singing it at a, you know, a kind of luxurious bar with a cigarette in it.Ah, yeah, piano and stuff.Yeah, it's that kind of, it's that
kind of catchy yeah it's not like totally upbeat but it's definitely a kind of oh it's good again it's got that brooding vibe to it again yeah and the bass the bass line again it's that same kind of cure type bass line and which i love um and
There's loads of space in this as well.There's not a lot of vocals.Well, there are, but they're spaced out.There'll be a wee line and then there'll be space again and another wee bit and another wee bit.
And even the lines that I picked out, you know, he can be a kisser, a killer. Is it, I mean I'm just picking up, is it some girl being naive?I don't know, is this her warning or, you know, just to, you know.
Again, I really still looked at the lyrics, I was just too busy, kind of like, just letting it. riding.
No, no, I mean, yeah, I mean, oh Shiree, the city comes alive, it simmers in the night, it's wounded with desire, isn't it?
It's the, so it is that kind of, yeah, it's a bit, not overt heartbreak, but it is that, you know, it's on about the fire and watch the warmth subside and Yeah, I think it is that.There's not a lot of lyrics to it.
Yeah, I mean, I honestly think the way this, the way it kind of ends with the... It's like that, it's like, it's one of these songs that the music, it feels like it could just go on forever.
And I was trying to think of another example of this and I'm by no means comparing this, but it's like the, you know, sound and vision.It's like, it's just that feeling that it could go on.
It kind of loops and you don't get kind of bored to it.And I always think that this one kind of, then that's how it kind of sounds like it could go on forever, eh?
And this was one of the ones, I mean, that washed over me, just passed me by.That was even after three, four listens, I was like, oh, this is kind of full of stuff.It's not bad, but it's just, but now it's like, just totally popping up.
You know what I mean?Especially that, you know, you miss that, that, that, that.Aye, that bit is, that, you know, that's, that's got its hooks in me now.But I think, aye, I really like it.
And there's enough, again it's got that bit where it's kind of, because she's so kind of almost dry with it, it's, you know, the wee bits at the end where it's like the kind of high bits, you know, kiss or a killer or what's kind of some different, it just, this one, this one's probably gets played quite a bit.
I wouldn't say it's my favourite.There's other ones that I would play more, or I think are better songs.
When you originally said this gets played quite a bit, I thought you meant like radio airplayers.
That's a bit strange, right?
This gets played on my headphones quite a bit, eh?Because I think it's quite, this is almost in between the singles and another album for me.
the rest of the album where it's like that kind of it's a bit in between it's bits of the kind of poppy the singles there's bits of that but there's also bits of the kind of darker bits for for me yeah and i think um because i thought i mean early kind of days i thought it's really front-loaded you know they put all their kind of
catchy and kind of more fleshed out songs near the start and I've just ended it with let's just stick the free on the end.
That's how I actually thought and I don't do not think like that in the slightest though you know I mean it's it's just weird how it kind of changes.
No no I get that because like I said when when before the light comes on the track before this is for me when it starts to get But it doesn't take away from when you're saying about it being front heavy or what.Oh Shiree's good.
Do you think about Shiree Blair?
It's just it's the only famous Shiree I know.
Shiree that you know.I forgot she even existed to be honest.
How could you forget?I think about her every day.
I will now.I don't know if I can say that, I've been dreaming about it all night or something.That was just, that was the only one I could think of.
Nah, I can't think of any other famous Cherries.
Anyway, I need to get away from here.So, my favourite on this album, I'm settling on this, Rapture.
Well, again, similar.I thought this was filler stuff, but no, this is excellent.I fucking love this song.Even the, ah-ha-ha.
That bit is superb.In a way, she's actually, and this is back to me now understanding her as a singer.In the way she sings on this, it just kind of makes her voice deeper as well.Yeah.You know, liver on the outside, smile on the inside.
Live on the inside, sorry, smile on the outside, is it?
Yeah.But the way she sings, she's just kind of, you know, she's doing a low register.
It's really thick sounding as well.And again, you've got a dirty bass in there, which is always good for me.I always like that.I always like hearing that.But this is, aye, that's, aye,
again, starting to pop out, these songs from the ones finishing off the album.
This is excellent.I just think this is pure classic song.
It starts with that kind of high bit and it goes on for a while and then it's like in the background there's like waking up and then it's like there's a few bits where it kind of pipes up and one, I love the word rapture,
Aye, it's a great word, innit?
Such a good word, eh?Aye.Cause is it good, is it bad? Oh, you're in Rapture's good.But if we're waiting for the Rapture, we're fucking waiting.It's such a good, hard day.And then, yeah, it's got that waking up, and then it kicks into the higher bits.
And then, see when it comes in, when the days are long and the nights are cold, your hair hangs down and you just don't know how to live on the inside. Oh that's fucking classic, I don't know like and then yeah, what is it?
Peg is square but the world is round, each burnt bridge falls without a sound because you're big on the inside, small on the outside.Small on the outside, that was it.Big on the outside, small on the outside.
Big on the outside, small on the inside, yes.That line that I thought, that's a great line.Even just that, I mean even, I didn't even realise that that was the lines before it.
Yes, Peg is square in the world of defence.
That's excellent as well, but even just that line on its own, you know, bigger on the outside, smaller on the inside, you know, that's vice versa, you know.
Aye, honestly, like, I mean, you know I like my lyrics and like my, oh, like that blows my mind.That is up there with some of the best kind of lyrics that I've listened to, eh?
And you know plenty, and I think because you can just relate to it, because you know plenty of people that are bigger on the outside and smaller on the inside, you know.
each part of bridge falls well to send all that hair hangs down you know you just don't know how to like yeah you get that eh?Aye.
And then even the second verse you know the one small is it one small day for a moment's thrill we'll all we'll love that and we always will it's just that that's like that throwaway kind of you know how could you not smile on the outside you know I love it and then just that
you know, can we get any higher and you know, and then it builds, see when it's going, because it starts off with just the higher, higher, because it's going up and then it's can we get any and it builds and builds and then it's just going that, gets back to that start bit where it's like that higher at the start.
And then it repeats the, you know, the days are long and the nights are cold, but in a kind of higher key.And honestly, David, this is like the pinnacle for me.I think the sound's great.I think the
you know, the drums are really, they're right clear on the whole album but they just, everything just stands out.It's not over egged.I think the synthesizers on it are all pretty spot on.
I think that there's one early Doors that I never spoke about where there's a kind of odd bit where they sound a bit odd but it's not bad.But I just think this is probably, I don't know about a less is more kind of feel.
But I just think that the way she sings the lyrics and the way this track sounds is just perfect for her, for the band.And I almost feel a bit drained after listening to this song. Not in a negative way like, oh that was fucking exhausting.
No, but you're like, wow.
The emotions it's put you through.
Yeah.It finishes off with the rapture at the end.It's so cool, man.
And then you've got, even in the wee outro, there's like a mandolin playing as well, just a wee mandolin bit.There might be a bit of R.E.M.a few episodes back, you know, there was lots of mandolin on.
Yeah, so there was, eh?And then it takes a wee kind of turn for the last track of the album for Architect of Love.I love the tracklist and the name of him, eh? Rapture Stone, Architect of Love, that's just disgusting.
I mean, just Architect of Love does not remember us, you know?That's just like… Deep man, innit?Fucking hell, you know?
But does it sound like… for me, it's… you know, you said about this being an easy listen, it's not… There's not an arrogance to this.
There's people that would maybe think like Martha Wainwright or the camera obscura where there's maybe not a smugness but
I know what you mean though.
A pretentiousness or something like that.I always think that you could think like Architect of Love or something would have that but I mean you just hit on the lyric there that Architect of Love does not remember us.
There's probably not many people that doesn't know that feeling man.
But the way it's written down, it's pretty poetic, you know?
What's the lyric about the blueprint as well?
The blueprint had no art.Yeah, it was broken from the start.The blueprint had no art.That architect of love does not remember us.My favourite line in this is the next bit where it gets kind of...
the the vocals kind of expand where it's like it's a bit more layered and it's we remember to forget forget the gift that was the gift that was we met habitual responses over rider wants and amily I mean, I was 21 when this came out and I'm 35 now.
We remember to forget the gift it was we met Habitual Responses over Ryder Wads.That is… That's deep man.
Without being too smart ass or clever.I'm not saying it's not clever but in just the kind of way this track kind of swings or sways.I mean it almost seems like the guitar's kind of crying.There's like the wee
And I think she's got a really soft voice in this considering there's times where it can be quite hard and maybe blunt or what.I mean it's quite short lyrics but there's a kind of crazy change as well where it's
It's where it's, there's a, it was broken from the start.And she goes really low.And then there's like a... And then it's like a strange kind of flipping in the sound of it.
And then it kicks back into the... You know, there's the drums in this one are good and... Oh, I just, maybe I'm too excited about it to be able to kind of give me it well enough.
It just kinda originally petered out for me.You know, even with songs like this now, I just listen to these last four songs and it's a totally different way now. Oh aye!See the ending of it?
We got the noises, it reminds me of the beginning and end of Meet His Murder.Seeing you've got all the kind of noises, like the cattle getting drilled and all that.It reminds me of the end of that and I'm like, oh fuck that's like Meet His Murder.
You're not really going to get the cow noises, but you've got all these horrible drill-y sound noises.I've been listening to this mess like, fuck, recently.
Honestly, I swear to God, I went down such... I was saying to you before we started that I was down it.
down at Salford and I should have went and got a photo outside the boys club but since then I've went and then you mentioned to me that you were down a bit of Smiths and I went and I've been enjoying so much yet man.
so it's incredible music but yeah but anyway this is for another day i suppose uh it's the point is dana smith because we're both fans you know but what an ender honestly uh for me with this album uh you know considering and i think the track well yeah just sorry to interrupt but i think see see if i'd saw
Oh, if I saw the video for Chaos, for example, and that was my... I'd be like... I'd probably just go it's not my thing and I'd probably dismiss it anyway because I'd only listened to it once and that'd be the end of it.
But again it's like I've said a few times on this podcast it's like there's no way I would have thought certain songs that the band I was looking at was capable of these kind of songs.
Do you know what I mean?It's one of these kind of hipster-y you know kind of like new kind of pop poppy NME loving six music loving.
you know it's just some new hyped band you know and that's me being a dick you know that's no that's no you know i mean that's just i'm just being honest about how i would have seen it you know how would i looked at it um but i think for a lot of people looking in on that that's no that's not a thing they would you know
what you actually get and the depth in this album and the depth in these songs and to be honest even Chaos has got lots of depth as well you know what i mean but just because it's catchy he sometimes overlooked these things um but this uh this is a strange one Lucy this album it's weird it's it's like
Because I was starting to write my notes for my intro and I'm saying, right, it's really good but the vocals don't do anything for me and I'm kind of thinking I'm almost resigned and then kept listening and I'm like, I keep listening to this, why do I keep... And it was like the other half of my brain saying, David, stop being a dick and just fucking listen to it because you like this, you know?
Yeah, just let go, David.Let it go, let it go.
Almost like you want to fight it almost eh?
Maybe, you know maybe.Maybe there's still that wee part of me that still get like baggage and hang ups and you know.But no, no, this is excellent.So I'm looking out for it, I need to get it.
I don't buy CDs much anymore so it's just vinyl so I'll be looking out for the vinyl of this.
The next album's good as well.
It's pretty stripped back but there's one, you know, there's one, I don't know if it's a fan video or if it's their own video but there's one for Sure is the Sun it's called on their next album and it's like, the video is like, it's almost like stock images of couples.
like happy, holding hands, walking on the beach, frolicking and all that and then it's got loads of statistics for like cheating and and like it like not but some of them are like really interesting it's like 50% of us will have a sexually transmitted infection in our time and I'm like 50% of us
and 70% affairs will never be found out, 30% are with co-workers and I'm going this is interesting, I'm learning so much but yeah there's a couple there's some good tracks on the next album as well but that's not this one.
We should maybe do that at some point, go back to an artist we've done before and get another album.
Because quite often I intend to go back and listen to other albums and I just forget.
You move on to something else.
You move on to something else or you go back to your own music as well and you forget to go and check out things.It would be. making sure we do actually checking some more stuff you know.
Yeah it would be, it would be especially the ones that we've liked you know, you know I like Faith No More or what but I didn't quite take the step to go and I listened to a couple of them but never maybe listened to more so yeah it would be good to do it that way but you have no idea how happy it makes me hear you say some of the lyrics and that back to me David because
I think I spoke about this really early doors on the podcast, I don't share a lot of my music with a lot of people.There's obviously been a huge influence from my dad, my parents, but mostly my dad.
But apart from the girls I went at the time, like high school, to go and see this with, who I didn't speak to them after that summer, it's like I've not heard anybody that even would know who the New Young Pony Club are.
So it's amazing to hear somebody tell me things that they think about it.So it's given me a proper thrill.
Excellent, I'm good.I'm glad, sorry.I'm really glad.But it's not about thanks, Lucy, because you're actually continuing to push me out of my comfort zone and it's always been rewarding.So there's nothing yet that I've thought
And I think that's because, you know, you've got quality control as well, you know, on your music, you know, the music you like, you know, it's not just, there's got to be something, there's got to be some meaning behind it or you won't like it, you know.
So I think that's why as well, you know, it's your curation and you're kind of like, well, I'll push this one forward because it's got something. But most of what you're giving me is taking me outside my comfort zone, which is brilliant.
It's a real thrill for me.Anyway, onto you.Onto you.Your turn.
I'm still… I think I've settled, right, but it's kind of… I've been... usual.It's the same with yourself, Lucy.You're always going to swither in.Yeah.Is it time for this?Will Lucy be bored with this?Wish you'd not get anything out of it?Et cetera.
But I've decided to say... I'm going to go noisy again, Lucy.Sorry.
I'm alright with that.The band is Living Colour.
I'm so glad I said coffee because it's not what came into my head straight away.Living.Living colour?
Noisy.Is that it?Is that all you're giving me?
Right, well this is the third album coming out in 1993.
My third album, it's a... Do you know, I've often thought I'd just given you some big stupid heavy metal album with ridiculous lyrics that like a child would have wrote, you know, just to see what your reaction is, you know?
You know, albums that I love, because I'm not going to pretend I don't love metal, because I do.And it will never go away.But I thought, I'll give you a metal album, but I'll give you an album that's actually intelligent.Intelligent lyrics.
It's very well thought out.It's got something to say, but it's still very heavy.So I thought, I'll do that then.I'll start you there.
It'll be interesting, I'm trying to think, like, what did bands have to say in 1993?Are they British?Are they American?
No, they're from New York, yeah.
Right, okay, I know nothing, so I cannae.
I'm looking forward to that. Will I get videos and all that online?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you will, you will.I mean they were signed to Epic, like Sony at the time, so they did probably big budget videos and all that at the time.So you'll see, I think there was three singles off the album I think.
So you should get videos for three of them and live performances.I've saw them live a few times, three times I think.Incredible live, absolutely incredible live.
Yes, believe it or not, they split up after that album.After staying in 1983, they split up and they got back together, I've got to say about 2004 or something like that.And I've been making albums since, so they made another two, three albums.
So that's the era still on the go.Still out doing their thing.And, aye.
Right, well that's my homework sorted.Aye, yep.Now that was exciting for me, David.That was a real buzz.Good, I'm glad.
But no, again, I've done a lot and like I say, I've not been able to stop listening to it, you know.
Good, and I look forward to listening to a bit of Live in Colour.And one last wee thing, if this isn't too a weird thing.Ty doesn't keep the best of health, so a wee bit of
uh good wishes good good um good vibes and all that sort of stuff yeah because it's been a you know that these three albums are a big thrill for me so um so yeah a bit a bit of love yeah absolutely sending that out there eh but that's us that's us thanks very much for listening to us uh again um yeah we'll join get us next time for live in color stay
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Yeah, I've almost forgot about that aye, because we haven't been able to afford to go to the pub this time.
No, can barely afford Zoom.Right, right.I think that's why people donate, so we can like spend it on Zoom and stuff and we spend it on beer and pizza.So it's our own fault probably, you know.
Right, take care everyone.Bye-bye.Bye-bye.
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