Want to shop Walmart Black Friday deals first?Walmart Plus members get early access to our hottest deals.Join now and get 50% off a one-year annual membership.Shop Black Friday deals first with Walmart Plus.See terms at walmartplus.com.
Talk to your specialist about Botox Cosmetic on a botulinum toxin A, because Botox Cosmetic Day is back on November 20th.For one day only, buy one $50 gift card, get one free, while supplies last.
It gets better, because it's not just one day of celebration, but the whole month of November. Refer a friend to Ali, and you'll both get $50 off a Botox Cosmetic treatment.
Plus, if you register and get treated during November 1st to 30th, you have the chance to win $10,000.For prescribing information and box warning, visit BotoxCosmetic.com or call 877-351-0300. No purchase necessary for sweepstakes entry.
Treatment must occur by 12-6.For full official rules, offer terms and conditions, and to join Ali, visit BotoxCosmeticDay.com.
No, no, I think he called me once in prison.100% he called me once in prison.
Are you a saver or are you a spender?I would say I'm a saver.That's a big fat f***ing lie.I nearly lied.I am a spender to Babaclub.And then you have the ones who are crackers on the internet and then when you meet them, they're very cool.
I'm not going to say anyone's name.That's such a porn star name.No, it's not a porn star name.It's given OnlyFans name.There we go.Maybe you should do some of that.Would you ever do OnlyFans?
Hello, hello, hello guys.We have Madam Joyce on, who for me is my internet entertainer, the person who I love the most.And every time I see your clips, they fill me with joy and I just love seeing your face.So thank you for coming on today.
Thank you for having me.And can I just say your house is Phenomenal.Thanks babe.Thank you.It's my adult house.That's what I was saying before.Like I'm grown.
So, you know, you've got to have like the adult living room, the back living room and that kind of thing.
And is my lip gloss peeling?
No, it's fabulous.Your liner's popping as well. I mean, from the hair shop, it's actually an eyebrow pencil, but.Do you know what's sane this morning?Like I lost my chestnut, so I put an eyebrow pencil on.
I love a liner that is not black, but it's just dark brown.Close to black.Close to black.Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying.You can only get that with eyebrow pencils and chestnut.
Yeah, that's the way.So I wanted to ask you about love.This is a thing that's really on my mind because I feel like obviously we see you like giving jokes and stuff, But the first question I want to ask you today is, do you believe in true love?
Oh, true love.At the end of the day, this is right.Do I believe in true love? Do you know what, I've never actually sat down to even understand what true love is.
What is true love?So the reason that I asked this question, because this is a year of all the celebrity divorces, right?So I, Tiana Taylor. and Imani or Iman, whatever his name is, they've separated.
I saw that this morning and my heart like melted because they were like the it couple.And I'm like, these lot are true love to me.And they're breaking up, right?And then who else broke up?What's that guy, Jonah's brother and what's her name?Sophie.
Oh, yes.What's his name again?I'm Sophie Turner.Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas.Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas.They've broken up as well.Wow.And I'm like, wow, what's going on in this world of true love?So I wanted to ask you that question.
I feel like true love does exist, but I feel like true love is not as easy as people probably think it is.
I feel like love is something that is, you have the emotional feeling, but there's also a lot of work that goes behind loving someone because you have to love someone in their positives and their negatives.
So I feel like the issue that I feel that people are having is that people are going just for the emotional aspect of love, but they fail to realize that Love actually takes work.
And it takes a lot of work within yourself because there's some stuff that as a human being that you might have not tolerated before marriage that now you have to be a bit more strong about.
So I think it's just like the celebrity marriages is just a mess, but I feel like it's just a glimpse of what's happening in a wider picture that people are getting into relationships and getting into marriages without understanding how much effort it takes.
And also that, I guess we're just in a phase where everybody would rather leave than try.Oh, that's a very profound answer.Have you been in true love then?I feel like I'm a Libra, so I'd be loving everyone every once a month.
I love everyone once a month.
Do you fall hard and you're like, oh my God, I'm in love with this person?As a Libra.Okay, explain.Explain that Libra love.
Libra love is after the first date, I'm calling my friend saying I'm in love with him.I'm like, sis, I'm in love with this boy.We had a fantastic first date.We have so much in common.
His favorite color is red and mine is purple, but red is part of purple when you mix it with blue. That's my, that's the first day.Then obviously after a couple of phone calls, I'm like, I want to call you all the time.I want to speak to you.
I want to breathe in your nostrils.When are you coming to see me?Are you busy?Why are you busy?Life should be about me.Why is your life not about me?We've only met three days ago, but I feel like we should just be married right now.
I just feel like we should just have kids.I'm just ready to go.Stop wasting my time.Three days is a long time.It's enough time for you to know that I'm the love of your life I feel like you're the love of my life. They just ghost me.
Do you know what it is?So basically, so after the three days, then they might do something really annoying, like give me a slow reply.And then I'm like, oh my God, he actually hates me.What the hell?I've given it my best.I've given him my all.
He's just wasting my time.I don't even need this shit.I'm a boss bitch.How can he not reply to me after one day?And then these times like I'm in hospital, but why the hell are you in hospital for?
God told me that I need a man that's healthy and you're not even healthy.So I don't think you're the love of my life anymore.And then the cycle continues. Until the next one.
Oh my God.I don't know if that's just Libra.It could be a lot of females.Cause I know the females are falling in love real quick.I do.
Yeah.I fall in and out of love so quickly.Okay.I mean, do you know what?It's a joy.
I think finding love is great.And then that little heartbreak is great.And then falling in love again, you know, chase the feelings.Nothing wrong with it.
Clearly, you've been married for a long time.Educate us, because I'm struggling.They're talking about Sierra's prayer.What about Patricia's prayer?
Patricia's prayer is keep calm and carry on.Close your eyes to the streets, because I'm not going to lie, the streets look so cold, and I'm very impatient.Yeah, the streets.They're cold.
The streets are cold. Get your motherfucking thermals on.It's cold.
And also you were saying something about like, you're a bit tomboyish.I know I look glamorous, but I think I'm very tomboyish.And I think personality wise, I'm not most men's cup of tea.
I actually can agree to that, you know. Not to say you're not, I feel like I can relate to that.
I know that most men aren't gonna like me when they interact with me.
I don't think you're as masculine as you think.
I think you're very ladylike.
Girl, when you see me with a man, it's fine.Honestly, for real, for real.Do you know what my toxic trait is?Tell me, tell me.
I really feel like when I'm around boys, I give friend vibes, I give bad vibes.Because it's like, I've realized that about myself, If I'm with the boys, I'll be like, yes.And when we do it like, when we even say it like, it's like cool.
And in my head I'm thinking, this is why nobody fucking watch you, you cow.You don't know how to play the game.You need the girls who teach you how to be like, oh my God, yeah.
you've got to do all of that rather than yeah bro what's going on bro you can't do that yeah yeah of course i'm like no what and then literally they ended oh my god there was a literally guy i was talking to just the other day i met in a birthday dinner yeah and i was talking to him and
By the end of it, he was like, yeah, yeah, it was good to meet you.And he tried to spud me.And I said, fam!He was calling you bruv by the end of it.He was like, all right, cool.It was nice to meet you, man.And he came out to spud me.
I was like, fam, you always get it.I always get it wrong.Like.You know what it is?
You need a new environment.You need to be a city girl in another city where you get to be a new identity.Take your East London out.And then just be like, I'm embodying my new, hey.
I need to, when I see girls doing that, I'm like, girl, it's like, you know, the baby voice and it's like, oh my God, like, hi.
It works for them though.
It does.It works, trust me.Men are so pathetic.
No, it works.My friends who be acting like broken damsels will get men. Don't be too strong.You can't be that strong.Yeah.
And like, that's what the sprinkle, sprinkle lady's been telling me, you know, sprinkle, I need to stop being, I need to, I don't want to be a boss baby anymore.
No, just be a boss baby in your head and play the game on the outside.I'm so in distress.
Yeah.God, can you help me? It's not quite giving.A little practice, but ask a guy for help.I don't know what I'm doing.
I'm really trying to work on it.I feel like it's my daddy issues though.But I don't think we should get into that.It's a bit strong, yeah.I mean, yeah.
Let's not get to the dating issues just now.Okay, so love is something that you get into regularly, but not the love.I haven't found the love of my life.I would love to though.I'm ready, you know.Do you know what?
It just takes the one guy who loves you for all of you and your character and your personality, and he's going to sweep you off your feet.
I'm ready.Do you know sometimes I go to the club and I just stand in my house and I'm just like, wow, no one to come out and be cuddling me.Yes, sometimes I do and I'm thinking, wow.
You're not going to find a cuddle worthy guy in a club though.
No, I mean, when you come back from the club.Like, you know when the girls are like, oh yeah, you know when you're drunk and you come out to slut out your man, I'm like, which, I'm coming home to sleep.Can't relate, babe.
Going home to rest.Why don't you bring a guy home?You know, let's not get into it.It's not that kind of podcast.I was gonna get into why not bring a guy home from the club.
Girl, you wanna come to my hotel?We're not doing that.We're living like rookies.Yeah, we're not doing that.
This is on the break, okay?It's not on late night podcast.Okay, fabulous, love it.Flights or feelings?Where you at right now?I'm gonna say feelings.Oh, do you know what?You're a sweetheart.You have love in you.The desire for love in your heart.
Do you actually like flying?
Love it. I hate flying, you know?What am I doing?
You don't like being in another country or is it the flight itself?Oh, the flight, I thought you meant like the airplane.No, nobody likes the actual airplane, right?I mean, business class is great, but you know, like it's the way you're gonna get to.
I mean, I love to travel.There we go.
Yeah, I would say, if it's traveling, like going to different destinations, I would say destinations.I thought you meant the flight, like the actual motion of flying, because those 10 hour flights are not busing.
No, no, no.I don't like, I don't mean that, girl.
Being in another country, girl.Too literal, oops.So, hold on.How old are you now, then?I'm 25.Okay, cute.So, you're smack back, kabang, in the middle of being like Gen Z. Yeah, I just, I just passed the deadline.Do you feel Gen Z?
Yeah, I would say I feel Gen Z. I feel, do you know what is Gen Z, huh?
And what's the difference between Gen Z and like millennial?Do I come across as old, basically?
Damn!You do, you're quite mature.
Oh, really?Yeah.Like you don't listen, you listen to like opera and stuff.I do listen to classical music and jazz.See, that's- What, you don't listen to classical music?Girl, no.
Oh my God, how do you know I listen to opera?Because you told me.We went out one time and you didn't know any of the songs.And you were like, I don't listen to this.I listen to gospel and opera.And I was like, okay, well, bro.
No, ski.Oh, I know, come on.I know a bit of that, come on.No, wow.So music is the way to define this.
No, I mean, obviously in our era, we listened to like R&B, hip hop, rap.Probably listened to R&B.But you don't know any of the R&B now.Chris Brown.Your age will show it.
Miguel. Yeah, your age is showing.Okay, wait, hold on, there's another one.Masego?I don't know who that is.Who's Masego?To be fair, he does more jazz.We're back to the jazz are not brands gospel.
Yeah, no, it's fine.I've accepted that I'm on the mature side, but I do need to understand what's going on with the young people in 2023, because I'm still online.
Do you know what, I feel like I think one thing I love about my generation is that there's a lot more risk-taking, which can be positive and negative, but I feel like we're very much go-getters.
We're very much, if I want to do something, I can make it happen.I feel like your generation was a lot more calculated. were an accountant first, you know, so you had more of a traditional role.Traditional roles were more respected lawyers, doctors.
Now in this generation, being a creative is a lot more celebrated.Doing things that you're actually passionate about and trying to generate income from it is something that is is highly appreciated in our generation.
Someone in your gen might have spent their life wanting to be a singer, but never felt in themselves that they would be able to do it.So I think that's what's positive.
Yeah.And do you know what's so funny?In my generation, being a YouTuber was embarrassing.I couldn't tell anyone I make videos on the internet.How dare you? Oh, it was so embarrassing.
I hid it for years from people I worked with and then I quit my job and I didn't tell them I'm gonna go be a YouTuber.I remember my manager being like, is everything okay?
When I quit my job, cause I had a really good job and I actually really liked my manager.It was a great company and it was like good pay, but I was like, I'm leaving.
And I didn't say why, because I was embarrassed to say I have a really big YouTube channel and I'm gonna do that.Whereas now I know for young people, like being a YouTuber or a gamer
or an influencer is the biggest thing on the list of things that they wanna do with their career.I think it's high risk though, I'm not gonna lie.I would advise everybody to be an influencer or content creator.
I agree.I feel like it's something that you fall into.I feel like now people are waking up and saying, I wanna be an influencer, I wanna be a YouTuber.
But I feel like before you take that step, I feel like it's something that you should be passionate about.
if you're passionate about makeup and stuff, and you wanna talk about makeup and things, I don't feel like the first thought should be, I'm gonna quit my job and be a makeup influencer, because it doesn't always work out.It's not easy.
I never thought that I would have a career doing this, especially so early.I just kind of wanted to have, it was a passion project for me, where I just kind of wanted to create something, because I just like creating things,
grew up from an acting background, and then it just kind of took off.So I feel like the first step to being a content creator influencer is to just do it because you love it, because you're just trying to release creative devices.
And then if it comes, great.And if it doesn't, you're still happy doing something that you enjoy on the side.
And that still applies to when I started because I was just doing it because I needed to do something outside of my boring job.I'm gonna just make videos on the internet for the other girlies that I'm watching.
So what were you doing before you started your podcast?
So I used to work in Northampton Borough Council.I'm not a council girl.Yeah, I was working in the council and then before that I had loads of other jobs.
I was a care assistant, I've worked at Tesco, I did loads of different jobs here and there, anything to pay the bills.I kind of had a bit of an identity crisis like between like 18 and like 21, 21, 22.I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life.
I didn't go to, I went to uni for a year and then dropped out.So.Real estate management.I wanted to do property.I don't know what the, I don't know what the hell I was thinking.I was like.Again, like I thought I wanted to do interior design.
I was like, Oh, I would love to do interior design. put things together and I love aesthetics and things like that.And then I did one year and then they had like an accounting module.And I said, fuck this shit, I ain't doing that.
That's the opposite of me, right?Because I studied international fashion marketing because I wanted to be in fashion.And I love fashion, right?And then they had an accounting module and I loved the accounting module and I smashed it.
And I said, I'm gonna study accounting. I dropped out of my fashion course to study accounting because I just loved the numbers.I don't know why.And I think I'm a creative, but for some reason I like how like that stuff works.
Like my brain like gets it.
Honestly, maths and me just don't mix.I hate maths so much.
Girl, how are you gonna be wise with your money?
See, that's why, you know, you watch the break. and you get financial advice from a qualified accountant.And you just say and do whatever they say you should do.Like, do you know what I mean?That's what it is.Love it.Actually, that's a good question.
Are you a saver or are you a spender?I would say I'm a saver.That's a big fat fucking lie. I nearly lied.I am a spender to Bamba Clark.I spend a lot of money.I do save, but I feel like I could be better.
I have gotten better in my saving because I used to be very, very bad.But vulnerably, I am a bit of a spender.What do you spend your money on? Do you know what, I really like soft life.
And I feel like because I never had it, I think when you grow up and you don't grow up with money, I feel like you have certain money, bad money habits.And I feel like one of them was that I was too scared to buy myself things.
like nice things, or if I see like a jeans and it was like 70 pound, I'd be like, oh my God, that's so expensive, I can't do it.But I feel like now I'm in an era where, you know, money's not an issue.I've been trying to undo
that fear that money's not gonna come back.So I've been buying myself a bit more things, a nice bag.I always wanted a bag.I bought a couple of bags.I'm just like, okay, like all the stuff that,
15, 16 year old Joyce would have died for, I'm trying to give that to her now.But in a way where the saving is still good, but I could be better.
Okay, fine.And I think that's fine when you're 25 to still enjoy spending and having a good time and actually breaking down that fear of not spending your money because you're worried about what's gonna happen next.
or worried that you're not gonna have.That's something as well that I kind of had to deal with.But I'm still such a saver.Like in comparison to like how much I have.I don't spend a lot.With all the bags and everything.I like to buy houses.
That's my thing.How many houses do you have currently?
Do you know, I used to share a lot more about my business side of things and I've actually stopped talking about it because I've noticed that as a woman, when you share what you have, people go nuts.But I got five houses at this point in time.
But they're all rented out and they're all at, we have fixed, what's the word?Fixed rents, so we don't increase the rents.We keep them all steady so that it's affordable for people in London.
That's like our moral code for how we like look after houses.
That's amazing, five houses, girl, let me.
All right, you'll get there, but maybe less bags.Less bags.Nah, it's fine.
But I know the housing market and rental market is pretty bad recently, from what I remember people saying.
Yeah, yeah, I know.Like my thing about like the housing market and all that kind of stuff is that in a 30 year period, it goes up and it goes down.It's normal.
Like right now it's a down period, then it'll be an up period, maybe in three years, maybe in five years.You know, it's just what it is.Like that's what my accountant heads tells me and history tells me.Like as long as you can weather the storm,
You're right.So do you live at home?
So I, I rent currently.Oh, okay.Okay.By yourself?Yeah, by myself.In London?Yeah.Oh, you got it like that then.Wow.I had to move closer to work.Oh, okay.I was in Luton and then I moved into London.You're in Luton?Yeah.Why?Jesus Christ.
So I grew up in Bedford. So did Jade Pierce.Yes, she's a Bedford girl.Bedford?Yeah, Bedford.So I was in Ireland and then I moved to London.Why did you stretch your eyes like that? It's not the island.
I'm an Irish babe.When I hear like, you're Nigerian, right?When I hear of Nigerians in like these, anywhere but London, I just find it very strange.So we're like, I'm in Ireland.I'm like, what for?How did Nigerians end up in Ireland?
I'll tell you.Should I tell you the history?Tell me the history of how y'all went there. Basically, there was the immigration issue.Of course, there's always the immigration.There was a big immigration issue during the early 2090s.
And people found out that if you were Irish, if you went to Ireland and you had a child that was in Ireland, they would automatically give you citizenship.So all the Nigerian people and people who were African heritage were moving to Dublin
having children there and they were getting papers.That's how, that's why. Desperate people.
The things that people go through.To be fair, I'm going to tell a story, but I don't know if I want to leave it in.My older sister, she lives in Nigeria.She's got like four kids.
She went to America to give birth to like, she was there for four months to have her baby in America.So her baby could have an American passport, which her baby does because he was born in Florida.
People are really doing a lot for citizenship, for past papers.
Because I realized how, you know, we might leave this and I might not leave this, but I realized how difficult it is when you don't have a European passport.
Like even from queuing up in the airport, even from getting visas, like in the UK, if you have a UK passport, Irish passport, it's very easy to get visas.It's very easy to get this.
Like if you don't have, if you have an African passport, it might take you, four or five months to get a visa just to travel Europe.
Even with that Nigerian passport, you just go to certain places and they're like, you're not coming in.
You're not coming in.And it's actually crazy that they do that, but it is what it is.
It's terrible.So I can understand why your sister done that.I can understand why our parents were fighting for citizenship and fighting for that passport because I feel like our passport is like maybe top 10 strongest.
I think the first one is like Singapore.Singapore has a strong passport, but ours is quite high up.But there's some countries that if you have that passport, they might not even give you a visa. You might have to do extra paperwork.
It's very useless.The Filipino passport as well.They be judging you if you're Filipino.Oh really?Yeah, yeah.My Filipino friends are like, I need to go get my visa five months in advance.Then they get some Shenzhen zone visa or something like that.
Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot, man.So is your passport Irish?Yeah, I have an Irish passport, which to be honest, since we left the EU, that's been a bit of a goldmine.Ooh, okay.How do I get one of those?Be Irish.
Damn, I can't have a baby in Ireland and become Irish now.I think they've changed it.They clocked on, everybody clocks on to it.So they changed the rules.They killed Nigerian people all with Irish passports.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you're able to come here to the UK on your Irish passport and stay here.
There's no judgment.No, so they have, I think the UK and Ireland have a treaty.So I can work interchangeably in Ireland, in the UK and live here and be called, like they work the same because of Northern Ireland and stuff. Wow, I love this.
This geography or something like that.I'm actually not usually this smart.
I'm actually not usually this knowledgeable, especially in this kind of stuff.It's on my platform, darling.We try to bring out the smart side of everybody, because we know everyone's got it on the inside of them.So you're an Irish babe.
I'm an Irish babe.Living in London.
Working, thriving, doing what you're doing.And you didn't plan for any of this.
Do you know what?Yeah.I always knew that I wanted to be great.And I always, I'm so happy for my mom because my mom always used to tell me, Josetta, you're going to be a star.
And I feel like growing up and having that instilled in me, and I didn't know what I wanted to do, but I knew I was destined for greatness.And I just always used to be like, God, like just align me with what I'm supposed to be doing.
So when the podcasting came, I didn't know what I was expecting, but it definitely wasn't this, you know?It wasn't, nothing was, I think like it was God planned, but it wasn't Joyce planned.I had no idea.
I was just, I'm one of those people that if I feel like doing something, I'll do it. Like, I've had every hobby under the sun.I've tried to do nails.I've tried to do wig.I thought I was gonna be a motivational speaker at one point.
I thought I was gonna be a lawyer at one point.I've done, so I'm always someone to try.And just do like, I'm always like overly confident in myself.And then two weeks later, I'm like, well, I tried to make candles. Like I've tried everything.
So podcast for me, it was another thing that I just tried.And it works.Yeah.
And that's the thing though, when you try something and it like connects, you just have to keep going on that.So what do you lot just talk about?You lot just vibes about what's happening in the- In the culture.
So my podcast, I would say is, somewhere where people can come and just be authentically themselves.I feel like we're at a stage in social media where everything is so fake or so plastic and people are just making up appearances.
And I wanted to create a space where if I was vulnerable, it would allow other people to feel vulnerable.So I really, promise myself when I first started that I'll be authentic.
And that's how the whole kind of thesis of the show being a bit of an overshare came because I just come and just overshare everything.Like I talk about everything from like my vagina.
to my sex life, to my body insecurities, to what happened that week.And I just kind of overshare and stuff that is even like Joyce, why would you even say that about yourself?
I'd be like, if I'm comfortable enough to share this, people will come and be comfortable enough to be open and share who they are.Not necessarily their life stories, but at least who they are when the cameras are not on.
I get that.I think it's scary though, like just putting yourself out there because as I was saying, like the internet is very brutal.
The internet is brutal.And I feel like, especially when you're not hiding behind something, it hurts more.Because if I'm pretending to be someone and you don't like that perception, well, it's not really me, so who cares?But I feel like when I'm,
authentically myself and people are attacking me.It hurts, especially when you know you're not even like that.You're not what people are saying you are.
And I think a lot of people base, not a lot of people, but some people base their opinions on me based on maybe clips they've seen and stuff.And they've just categorized my character as a whole. which again, is not true.
But it's just again, something you just have to have tough skin for.And I feel like on the positive note, it's allowed other people to be authentic within themselves.It's like, if Joyce doesn't give a fuck, really, why do I?
Why should I? That's to be fair, that's where I'm at now.And I'm a big woman, but I have still been like, oh my God, what do people think?Like, oh, if I say this about myself, are they gonna judge me?
They're judging me, I don't wanna show my true self.But that's tiring.I'm not gonna lie, it's very tiring to try and like keep hiding yourself when you're in the public image on a regular basis.Cause the difference between us and say like an actor,
They play characters.We don't actually know anything about all the people who we are following.We don't know them at all.They don't put themselves out.So they don't get judged on who they are, but we are judged on like our actual personality.
But you can't really care.So what have you put out there that you're like, maybe I should have not done that.
There's so many things, but my memory is so bad.There's sometimes I'll say things and obviously because the way I've created my space is that when I sit down and do the show, it's just a chit chat.So it's like how me and you are talking.
Sometimes I forget it's filmed.And then it goes to my editor and it gets posted.And then I'll meet somebody and they'll be like, oh my God, remember when you said that this was a fat bitch?And I'm like, When did I say that?
My memory's so bad, I don't recall saying that.Did I actually say that?I'll say something in passing and somebody will be like, oh yeah, by the way.I'm like, I don't remember saying that.Did I say that?
Because that's actually true, but why you know that is a bit confusing because we just met.They're like, no, you said it on your podcast.And I'm like, well. It is what it is.
I've said it now.Do you know what it is?I think when you're having a conversation, just whatever you think or feel just comes out.And it's like, just a trail of thought.It's out there and you just roll with it.But that's the best way.
I agree, especially when you're a podcast star as well, it's free-flowing conversation.It's not so edited as like, you know, a YouTube series or something or a YouTube channel.
So you just kind of have to go with how you feel and keep the conversation going.
So what I want to know, who's been your like best guest on that had a really good conversation?
I have so many, I actually have so, there's so many, and people always ask me this, but I feel like everybody that comes into my show brings something unique, whether that's, you know, the deeper conversations that we have, where we're talking about things that are a bit more sensitive, Lardy Good, Womibelo, just to name a few, and then people who just come in, they're just absolute crackheads, and you know they're crackheads, Victor Kunza, Simply Shia,
Moyo, and then you have people who are a bit like, you thought they were quiet and then they come on and you're like, you're not that quiet.Tennessee, who else?Who else?
There's so many people like that where it's like, I've seen your content and you either are like the classy babe or you're just a lot more chill vibes.And then you come onto the show, oh, Who else?Nikita's another one.
And I'm just like, bruv, you lot actually are very, very lit people.And then you have the ones who are crackers on the internet.And then when you meet them, they're very cool.I'm not gonna say anyone's names.
I feel like I've seen that though, like there's online people and then there's people in real life, like different vibes, different energy.But it depends on how comfortable they feel with you sometimes.
Yeah, I agree.I've had some people like that where I'm like, oh my God, you're actually a lot more boring than I anticipated.I wasn't expecting you to be this like dry, but maybe you're just shy.And then again, there's some people who,
their content is just them in their house.They don't need to speak to anybody.But like you're now in a space where you have to communicate and they might not be the best communicators.So I just take it like that and don't feel any way about it.
But yeah, I've had a couple of those as well.
Yeah, I feel exactly the same way.To be fair, I'm one of those people that like I can come out of my shell when I feel like it.And then other times I just don't have the energy.I just don't want to talk to you.I just don't.
Not on my podcast though, but like in real life.That's me though.Yeah.No, but in real life, when I met you, actually let's talk about this, when we first met, I was so happy to see you.
Cause I feel like not that many people like me, like when I'm outside.I'm not gonna lie.What?I don't know.
Oh girl, stop it.Really?That's the social anxiety talking.Really?Do you think so?Yeah, 100%.Oh my gosh.
Cause I'm like, I come in, I'm like, oh, hey.And I want to leave.
Your mother, the fuck?Do you know how many, so many people, respect you, so many people love you, but I feel like you're not the type of, the respect is too high, you're not, I can't, like I'll be, I am too shy, I'll be too shy to speak to you.
Yeah, I feel that's what people get, but I like to be ratchet.
I was talking about this, I have a persona, Patrice Briggs. That's my other character.And she's lit, and I'm like, in London, I feel like no one gives me that energy, because they're like, oh, Patricia.And I'm like, no, she's outside.It's Patrice.
It's Patrice Briggs, my character.Patricia's at home.Honestly, I'm going to be outside, like, shaking my ass, like, doing something and having a good time.But I feel like it's not the same when I'm out in London.
Whereas when I met you, I did feel like you were, like, really open and warm and friendly and, like, ready for a good time, to be fair. Okay, so at all these events, obviously now you're outside, you're seeing people, it's giving industry vibes.
Do you want to walk around like a superstar?
Like, no, I, and I'll be vulnerable.I've realized that I've been struggling with social anxiety.
And I think when you're someone who's confident and even me, I didn't realize I suffered with social anxiety because the usual interpretation of social anxiety is that it's someone that doesn't know how to approach people in social events, who doesn't know how to like talk to people who's reserved to avoid situations.
I think the way mine manifests is that I am okay with going into social events, but when I'm in the room, I feel like everybody hates me, or people are talking about me, or if I say something, I'll go home and I'll think about, oh my God, you said that thing, and because you said that thing, I saw the girl's eye go funny, and that means she hates you.
And I think it's, It's something that I've recently discovered about myself that I'm trying to work on.So go ahead.Did you have it before you started social?And I didn't, and I didn't realize, honestly, I've, I've, I've.
been going through this since maybe I was about 17, 18.
So years and years of paranoia, of not being able to trust people, thinking people are out to get me, thinking there's no way people can love me genuinely, they must want something from me, like those kind of thoughts in my head.
And it wasn't until like, it gets to the point where sometimes I'll react based off those thoughts.
So like, not say something.
So like, let's just say like we're at an event and I might think, oh my God, Patricia doesn't like me because I said something and her nostril flared.I would not, even though I like you, I wouldn't go out, I wouldn't approach you or I wouldn't like,
Want to shop Walmart Black Friday deals first?Walmart Plus members get early access to our hottest deals.Join now and get 50% off a one-year annual membership.Shop Black Friday deals first with Walmart Plus.See terms at walmartplus.com.
catch up with you or try to create a friendship with you because I feel like you don't like me because my mind has told me you don't like me.That is how severe that it has gotten.
It's anxiety and the stories your mind is telling you.
internal chatter, that's what they call it.Internal chatter, like really, really bad, really, really bad anxiety.
And it's something I never knew, it's something that when, again, I never knew I dealt with because everyone's like, how could you have anxiety?You're so confident when you go up to people, you talk to people.
But it's not necessarily my issue of conversating with people, it's more, the eternal conversations that I have with myself during and after that.So I'm really, and I think being in the industry has exasperated it a lot.
And I'm really, really trying to work on it.So- Have you tried therapy?Yeah, so I have started cognitive behavioral therapy.
Yes, honey, it's okay.We all be doing it.BetterHelp forward slash Patricia Bright. I think, I don't know, something like that.
I'd be picking doing therapy, it's essential.Do you know what's so funny?Everyone in the industry, it's like therapy is like coffee.It's like a Starbucks coffee.It's just like, it's just such an aesthetic to go to therapy.
Not when you're crying and there's snot coming out of your nose and the conversation is deep.
The amount of times I've spoken to someone and just like, oh my God, I've just got my therapy session right now. It's just so, it's just like, you lot are so fucking cool.Like, you're like, yeah, it's given like, oh my God, I look after myself.
I literally spoke to my friend yesterday and I called him, he's like, oh my God, I'll call you back.I'm just literally about to go into my therapy session.I was just like, okay. I think it's cool.I think it's cool.
The fact that people are a lot more open to saying that they're going to therapy.Like it's just, it's just a thing.Like, like it's just a thing.Oh my God.Yeah.I'm just going to my therapy session.
I think like people used to like have like church or they have a pastor or they have, you know, an Imam or they have like their family or someone to talk to. and they're conversating or they had friendship groups where we're literally talking.
But I think because people have that less, like they actually need therapy.People need to release how they feel to somebody.It doesn't even need to be a trained therapist.It could be a cat or something.
They just need someone to like have those conversations with.And I think people are more aware of it because they're lonely.
No?Yeah, I feel like we are, the problem is for me, and it's something that I've realized about myself, I feel like we have, we are in the age where singleness is glorified.
And when I mean singleness, I don't mean in dating, I mean in like individuality, you can do this on your own, you got this independent, but throughout time, humans, are made to be collaborative and are made to be around people.
I feel like a lot of the reasons for loneliness is because of this thing, and I've dealt with it as well, where we've been conditioned and told that life would be better if you just do it by yourself, or life would be just, fuck everybody, you don't need anyone, nobody's got you, you can do it on your own.
And sometimes you need the right people to bear that weight. So as much as therapy is amazing, I feel like I had to really undo that mindset where it's like, I don't need anybody.
I've nobody get got you like you got you because it's, it's really wrong.
It's very dangerous.It's very dangerous.
But again, it's just a lot of unlearning.I feel like sometimes we get hurt by people, we get burnt by people, so then we're afraid to, we use that as a coping mechanism to be like, well, somebody's hurt me, so I know that I won't hurt myself.
But I feel like anything that is operated from a place of fear is very unhealthy.So if you're fearful of being around people because you're scared of being hurt, I think that's just something that needs to be healed.
So you've literally just said exactly, I have a life coach.What you just said is exactly what she just said to me.Number one, protective mechanism is like saying you can do it yourself and actually not allowing people around you to help you.
And two, that being based on fear as well.And that doesn't help to operate out of fear.You said the exact same words and I pay her 600 pounds a session, so.So maybe.I just got that for free. Maybe I should be a life coach.
But I found a lot of people in this space feel like that.I feel like that, which is why I need releases.I go out, no cameras, no phones.I'm Patrice Briggs.I need that space so I'm never recognized.
So I can be ridiculous as an individual because I can't take the pressure of being seen as mother or like the auntie.I hate that.And it's like, everyone has to find a place that allows them to kind of be themselves or a new character.
I love this new alter ego.
What would your alter ego be?How would she be?
I definitely feel, I don't know what the name would be, but I definitely feel like my alter ego will be a lot more feminine.Like dark feminine, mysterious, naughty.Naughty like in terms of like the energy.But like very sultry.
I'd love to be a sultry babe.
But I feel like you just embodied that just then.Yeah, because she came out a little bit sultry.
I think that's what, I think I'm so, I've always wanted to be a mysterious babe.
I feel like we're the same, babe.People who, but you're, you give off yourself.You're just honest.We need to be mysterious.I'm not gonna lie.
I wanna be mysterious so bad.
You need to be quiet.That's it.What you have to be.
It's so hard.It's so hard to be silent.And the thing is, I actually hate silence so much that I will overcompensate and just start talking.Like it's one of my, I feel a duty to fill silent spaces when it gets awkward, like,
There was a time, yeah, I came into a room and it's dead silent.And I was like, oh my God, is everybody all right?And they're like, yeah.And then it went quiet.
And then I was like, yeah, so my day was absolutely, I just have to fill the space or else I feel so responsible for everyone not to be awkward.But that just takes away from the mystery because then I start oversharing.
Cause yeah, obviously today, yeah, I just ended up getting a wax, yeah.But it's just like, And these are people that just don't know who I am.It's just like- You're telling them about the details that they don't need to know.The details.
And then I'm like, yeah.And then obviously like I had ingrown hairs before and then it just, and then that's how, that's how the mystery just leaves.The mystery just leaves the room.
To be fair, someone's going to love it and someone's going to hate it.Like it doesn't matter.Like dark and mysterious.I think it's overrated.I'm not going to lie.I would like it.Okay.I love it.Your name could be Jayana.
J, like a J, I think J is mysterious.Just J, like what does the J mean?If I had a name, like you know how you have like a first name and a surname?I think first name should be J. Then surname needs to be something, something.J. J True.J Salva.
I don't know what it sounds like, salivating or something like that.
Oh my gosh.I think at the end of this episode, people need to think about creating their personas and involving that.I want you to look in the mirror when you get home, like, hey, Jay Rose.
That's such a porn star name.No, it's not a porn star name.It's giving OnlyFans name.There we go.Maybe you should do some of that.
Would you ever do OnlyFans? I have no judgment.I'm not going to lie.If desperate times, I would do it, yeah.I'm not against it.Not feet pics?Oh, 100% I'd do feet pics, but my feet aren't nice enough to be seen by people.
Yeah, but I don't think people just like toes.100% if I could make money doing it, yeah, why not?
I don't think I could do early.
There are girls who are picking a million a month.You're telling me you wouldn't do OnlyFans for a million a month?
Yeah, but what's out?Is it just tits?Is it the full pussy?
I mean, it's the art of seduction, so maybe you don't show anything, you just entice.
If it's ambiguous, I'd do it.Like, if it's like, these are my breasts, but it's not like, it's like.
I think the more you play like hide and seek with it, the more money you make.I agree.Don't be busting it wide open.I think that you don't need to do that.And actually you make more by being sultry and dark.And mysterious.And Jay, what's her name?
Jay Rose.Jay Rose.Jay Rose isn't going to be like flat style.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jay-Rose wouldn't do that.Jay-Rose would be like, I need 3,000 and maybe you'll see a side cheek.
I did say I wanted to be a dominatrix at one point.I think you'd be a great dominatrix.I think I'd be such a thick dominatrix.
I think you'd be great at it.
First of all, I love leather.
Well, she says with a large smile.
Rubbing the thigh.Okay, love it.And then I think Like I would tell like, walk, walk on the floor, not walk on the floor, crawl on the floor.
You're scaring me.You're scaring me because you're doing it so well.Like, yes ma'am.Straight away.I heard, I heard what you said.I will listen.Oh my goodness.
I'm ready.I'm ready.I will do it.I think one to one time in my life, I'd give it a go.
I feel like, again, Gen Z vibes are, you've got a plethora of career options, like being a dominatrix and an OnlyFans option is an option.It's an option.For the both of us.What?At my age.Why not? You're not that old.Yeah, I know.
Well, but no, I'm too skinny to be a dominatrix.There's not enough meat to like dominate, to be fair.
I promise you, you are not too slim.You're slim, but you're not that slim.You're slim thick.
Yeah, good.Girl, you slim thick.I'm working on it, you know, trying to.Look at those thighs.Trying to fit, no, why are they skinny like this?
No, you got the thighs, girl.
Let's spread them out a little bit.You got the thighs, girl.So, what was I gonna say? I'm thinking about being a dominatrix.I'm thinking about you saying crawl, Danny.Crawl on the floor.I'm like, oh wow.Like, yeah.Let's talk about money.
Cause actually one of the things I do like to talk about on this podcast is money, right?Like number one, what's in your wallet right now?You mean what's literally in my wallet?Yeah.What's in your literal wallet right now?
I don't have a wallet.Why? I am so toxic.I remember one time I tried to have a wallet and I kept leaving it everywhere.With all your cards and everything.With all my cards and everything.
After I ran back to go and forget it about three times, I said, wallet is not me.When I was younger, my mom didn't give me a purse.I didn't have a purse to carry your stuff around.Did you put things in your pocket?
Yeah, I'd have my card, my lip gloss, and I'd just pop it in my bag.I'd just throw it in my bag.
but not in a little wallet.
No, I promise you, if I had a wallet, I would never forget my bag, but if I had a little wallet that was carrying around or purse carrying around, I'm losing that shit.So you just put everything in your bag?I throw it through my bag.
When money was a thing, like physical money, I just throw it in my bag.Okay, love that for you.I know, it's so toxic.Okay, then here's a question.
What's in your bag then?Furthermore, that used to be a YouTube video, what's in my bag?People, no?
Yeah, it used to just be like, what's in your bag? I don't even have a card in my bag, because my card's on my phone.Apple Pay.Listen, Apple Pay is of the devil.Go ahead, explain.
I feel like Apple Pay makes somebody believe that the money is someone else's.And never ending.Never ending, somebody else's.It's just so easy to use.It's just beep, beep.You don't have to think about it.And by the time you look at your,
statement, it's just like, when did I spend all this money in a day?Like it's given, it's very, very like tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.
I actually feel like whenever I leave my house, it's going to be 150 pounds.Like just leaving the house is money being spent.
I'm telling you, I would rather just stay at home because I know that once I'm outside the Apple pay will just keep going and I'll spend more than I have ever planned.
literally even like apple pay now is being attached to like online stores so you don't even need to leave your house anymore to use it like gosh yeah because before i think that the the kind of science of it like when you have to put your card details in it's a lot more thought process yeah yeah you're looking at the card you're right
It's literally like two buttons and a little like wink to the face activation thing.And that's Bob's uncle, the money's kaput.What do you think that you spend the most money on?Oh God.I would say food.I spend so much money on food.I love food.
I really love food.And not just like food, I love experiences to do with food.So I love going to restaurants.I love going, trying new things.I love going on TikTok and seeing people's reviews and then go in there.
I love- You go to the places that people review?
Yeah, like people review stuff.I'll be like, oh my God, I need to try this place out.And then I'll just go, like to just try out the food, try out the cuisine.I love it.Sometimes I could do by myself. I go by myself, yeah.
Just for the experience.Just for the experience.Wow.Just walking up in there with your Apple Pay, like, can I have a table please?Yes, right.Menu.Wow.
And I make sure I find somewhere, excuse me, have you got a table next to a charger please?So that I can have a phone charged and I'll be eating the food.Like it's a real experience.It's lifestyle.
This is giving soft life.Oh my gosh.
It sounds great.I love it.Very, very expensive.
Yeah. The thing about food, that's the same as me though.Food is an emotional thing.It's about how you feel.You're not eating to fill a hole because you're hungry.You're eating to feel something, right?
It's not good.I just love food.Like I told you, because I grew up sadly with no food routine, as we spoke about earlier, I don't eat structurally, which to be honest, I didn't know that people actually done that.
Like my manager, Jess, she eats at, she knows what time is time to eat.So 12 o'clock is lunchtime.Lunchtime, yeah.Eight o'clock is dinner time.Yeah, yeah.And there's tea time as well.That's at four. Well, if you like it at four o'clock.
That's a Caucasian thing though.Yeah, they're structurally, I have never run like that in my life.So I eat when I feel hungry.
Really?What about breakfast, lunch, tea, dinner?
Yeah, you have it, but in terms of time, like some people every day have a meal at 9 a.m.or 10 a.m.or whenever.
Whenever I feel hungry is when I'm eating breakfast.
Even if it was three o'clock in the afternoon?
I would have had two meals before that.For example, my manager, if for example at 11.30 or 11 o'clock she's hungry, she'll wait to the 12 o'clock. I wouldn't do that, I'm eating at 11 o'clock.
Okay, food routine though, I didn't realize that was a thing.It's a thing.
It sounds like a good idea for it to be a thing.
Because it's subconscious, now it's the thing where it's subconscious, you won't even notice that you probably eat around the same time every day.Yeah, more or less, yeah.I don't.But you're listening to your body's needs and that's okay.
But it's dangerous because a lot of times it's emotional. That's where it goes, because sometimes when you feel hungry is when you eat, but are you actually hungry?Because when you actually thought about it, you only ate two hours ago.
So are you hungry?Are you bored?Are you just thirsty?That kind of stuff.I've become a lot more self-aware recently.
I'm learning.It's growth.
I love that.But to be fair, When you book a restaurant, you're being intentional about it.It's not you just, I'm feeling emotional.It's like, I'm going to this restaurant that I saw on TikTok.I'm gonna go and eat there.I'm gonna find a charger.
I'm gonna enjoy a lovely beverage and a free course meal.So that's fine.That's intentional.It's not just happening out of nowhere.I feel less impulsive, thank you.Yeah, I love that.
And then what I was gonna talk about, I wanted to keep, besides food, what else would you say you spend your money on?
I spend a lot on, I would say my appearance and that's become more recent as of recent because of the job that we have to do like I spend a lot of money getting my hair done, getting new clothes.
My toxic trait recently is that sometimes I only wear clothes once.If I wear clothes and I take a picture in it, I'm not wearing it again, which is very, very terrible.
Cost per wear, how much did you spend on it?And how many times are you wearing it?You need to wear it four times to get your cost per wear out of it.I can wear clothes once, I'd never look back.
It's really bad.I'm thinking about what to do with this dress that I bought from Sixteen Arlington because I've worn it now and I know in my heart of hearts I will never wear it again.
I'm making you wear it again.Going out and you're wearing it again.
That's the thing, it's not a dress that you could just wear, because it's a gown.Unless you have like a charity event or something.
Okay, fine, I'll do it.Just so you can wear that dress.Yeah.And your alter ego can wear that dress.
J Rose.J Rose needs to wear it.It's really bad, and I think because, again, keeping up appearances, the job, the PR element.You just always have to be wearing something new and good.I know people are using things like bi-rotation.
I have gotten into renting stuff, which is really good fashion.I like renting clothes.
I think it's really a good idea.I've even rented my clothes out. Cause I've got, to be fair, I'm judging you, but I do the same thing.I'll be buying big designer items and I don't get worn again.
Do you actually rent your stuff out?I was thinking of doing that.
Well, I've given it to a platform and I'm like, okay, someone wants to wear it.Yeah.And then tell me, you know, there's money back.Cause I have this gorgeous like area dress that I've worn once.I'm not going to wear it again.So I gave it to them.
I like some Chanel stuff.I'm like, okay, fine, whatever.But they asked me to like give them stuff.I'm like, yeah, why not?So if you've got the items, I don't see why not.I think I wouldn't, I wanted to do that.
But again, it's like, can I be bothered?
Yeah, no, you don't have to manage it.You just have to literally send the stuff to them and then they manage it.
Oh, yes, plug me, plug me, plug me.Yeah, I'll give you the details.Because I actually have, I have, you know, stuff that are absolutely amazing that I've only worn once.Sometimes I haven't even worn it.Really?Like it's still sitting there.
What about Depop? Yeah, I need to go to depop.You don't depop anything?I depopped earlier on, but I'm just so lazy.It's hard work, isn't it, doing that?It's a lot of hard work, man.Yeah, yeah.
It's a lot of hustle and bustle, innit?It's not that deep, innit?You make your money, you don't need to worry about the chicken change.Yeah, that's what I feel.Sugar daddies, thoughts around it.Would you like one?
Someone to fund your lifestyle, to fund your beauty.
You know, I would love that.I feel like any woman would love that.Just the idea of being sponsored.
We need to do is look sexy.
You don't need to be hustling and bustling because as much as I love my job, but it's not easy.Like it's hard.You have to put a lot of work into it.You have to,
you have to also deal with the emotional side of it, of public opinion, and then you have to deal with your own insecurities as well.
It's a lot.People will argue though that it's not that hard in comparison.That's what I always know, when people say being an influencer is hard, they hate it.
In terms of physical labor, because I've worked jobs, in terms of physical labor, I would say people have it harder.I've done 12 hour shifts, I've done care.But in terms of the emotional labor, this job is a lot harder.
Do you know what it is?It's you can't switch off and you can't... leave it in the office.
If you're in Tesco stacking crates, you're getting it done, you can see the shelves look great, you can see it's done, you go home, you're not thinking about Tesco.
Ideally.There's no off button, especially when you're working for yourself, or when, for example, your life, the social life of this job and the work life are so intertwined, like you don't switch off.
And I feel like what I had to do was I had to start spending more time with people outside of the industry.
That's what I was gonna ask you next.Do you have like a separate group of friends?
I do now, yes.And I feel like when I first, I'll be honest, when I first started, I was so engrossed in this life that I didn't take a lot of time for those people, which was on my part, very, very bad of me.But I feel like now, because
I took a month off, I took a break.It started getting too much.The industry, the show, mentally it started getting a lot for me.And I felt like I need to switch off so that I kind of went back to my roots.
Found my old friends, apologized to them for not being around as much as I should have been.And they started making me feel like old Joyce, which is kind of what I needed.I just needed that,
like that human leveling of like, you know what, I'm Joyce-Anne, I love you as Joyce-Anne, I know you as Joyce-Anne, and Madam Joyce can actually take a back burner right now, which was very important to me.
People don't realize the importance of those friendships that ground you from back in the day.Those people who actually know you and will call you up on your bullshit and will let you know when they can see that you're going off track.
Those friendships are essential for me.And again, because I've done this for so long, I value the people that have seen me vomit in the streets versus people who don't know that and can't see me in that way.Those people are, essential for me.
Agreed.1000% agreed.And again, I feel like you do need some time away from this space.It gets overwhelming, it gets a lot.And especially like, like I said, I was dealing with social anxiety.
And I wanted to be around people that I was sure loved me for me.Yeah. that were there for me outside of everything that I'm doing, outside of the name, outside of, you know, being a public figure.
Just people that just loved me when I didn't have anything or anything to offer more than comedy.You know, anything more than comedy and vibes.Yeah.
Oh, actually, that's a good question.Do you ever feel like as a funny girl, like there's the pressure for you to like entertain everyone?
Yeah, I do, you know, it's a weird thing.I think it's two things.I think it's being a funny girl for me came from a place of almost like protection because I moved around a lot growing up.So I felt like I had this need to be liked.
I felt like I tried to do everything I can for people to like me, because if not, I'd be the new girl who didn't have any friends.And because I'm such a social person, it's very hard for me not to be around people.
That's where I thrive, I love people.So I felt like the whole being funny thing was more of like, I wouldn't say it was a people pleasing mechanism, but it was a mechanism of, I don't wanna be by myself, please like me.
So I feel like in my adult years, I've carried that same mindset of need to be liked.Like this person needs to like me.And if she doesn't like me, I can't understand why.Oh, please like me, please like me.
And I feel like that's something I had to unlearn, which is why I said to you, I was like, I find it hard to be.
Like if I'm in a place and there's an awkward silence, I have to do what I can to fill it, to fill the space, because that's just what I've conditioned myself to do.
Or like if I meet someone, it's almost like when I first started, when every time I met someone, it's almost like I was trying to sell myself to them. Oh my God, yeah, my name is Joyce, oh my God.
And I'm not always like that, but I kind of felt like when I met person, I'm like this person, this is a first interaction, I need to sell myself and be as funny and energetic as possible.
And now I think now, because I'm in a place where I guess I'm in a lot more secure friendships and I'm a bit more secure in myself, I don't feel like I need to do that anymore.I mean, it's still there and I still have those moments.
I'm similar in the way that I'm actually naturally very like a lot.And I think I could be overbearing if people meet me.So I stop myself from being too lovable.Cause I'm like, oh my gosh, hey, let's be friends.And then fuck you over.
And it's happened too many times in the industry.And that's why I don't talk to people in the industry anymore. Oh, wow, you've done?Oh, hell yeah.I think this is an off-camera chat.Oh, baby, if I tell you the off-camera chat, that's fine.
But I understand, I really understand.I feel like this industry can be quite judgmental.And not just this industry, people can be quite judgmental.People, exactly.
And I feel like it's very rare, but also very special when you meet people who you feel like you can be authentically yourself to. And you can just be like, well, I'm a crackhead but I don't feel weird about being a crackhead around this person.
I don't feel weird and oh my God, I'm doing too much.I was actually reading something and it was a meme and it was like, oh, when you wanna send your friends videos but you've already sent them five more and you don't wanna look weird.
I feel like if you know in your heart that your friend is your friend, you will send them 12.Like I'm very close to my sister Diola, big up Diola, and I thought about this today.I send this girl memes, like I don't even count how many memes all day.
And when she has time, she will go back and she will comment on every single one. She'll come and be like, oh my God, lol.Oh my God, facts.Then the next one, oh my God, you're so, this is so you.Next, lol.Next one, oh my God, this is mom.
Next, like she will go through every single one.And that's just a little love language.It's not something, it's not big.It's not a car, do you know what I mean? To me, it's just that I'm secure in our friendship.
And obviously I love my sister, but I'm secure in my friendship to know that I can be myself.I can send 15 memes and not feel weird about it.Or embarrassed.And you need friends. you need a friend like that.
And I feel like those are the most beautiful friendships anyways.
I even like the fact that I can send stuff and they're not going to say anything to me.They're not going to respond, but I know in their head, they're thinking Patricia.I don't always need a response to them.I just need to release.
And then when they see them, then when I see them, they'll be like, Pat, that thing that you sent me. I'm just, I'm just releasing to you.And as long as I feel comfortable to release to you, then that's the right thing.
You know, there's some people like you would send that video to and start thinking about it.You'll be like, Oh my God, like, are they going to find it funny?Have they watched it before?
Like, or you've sent it to them or, and you're about to send them another one and you're like, Oh, but they didn't reply to the first one.So why am I going to send them another one?Maybe I'm annoying them and stuff.
But those friends that you can send 10 messages and not feel, and not bat an eyelid are the best.I like the greatest people.
I send music as well.I send songs.Do you send songs?Yeah.I haven't reached that level of friendship with anyone yet.That's cool.Really?Like the lyrics in the song are like, I need you to hear this lyric to the song or the title of the song.
Yeah.Just, no, no.Maybe it's my millennial.
Yeah, that's definitely a millennial thing.We used to make mixtapes of each other. Oh, do you know what?Someone's actually made a mixtape for me, and it was Trey Songz.Trey Songz made the mixtape for- No, Trey Songz, oh God, no I don't.
I was about to say I wish, I was like, no I don't.No, we don't like Trey Songz anymore.
Yeah, the mixtape was Trey Songz music back in the day. Who made you that mixtape?Now I think about it, it was a girl, but I don't think it meant anything.Girl?No, because we loved Trey Songz back in the day.True.
Trey Songz was... He was too sexy though.He was like... The lyrics were... This right here's a penny dropper.Whoa, oh.Whoa, oh, oh. Trey Songz was the daddy back in the day.Do you know what though?
Some of those lyrics, you shouldn't have known what those lyrics were.I promise you, she gave me that mixtape and I was in year eight. You weren't ready for it.I was like 14, 13, 14.
It's when you listen to it as an adult and you hear those lyrics and you're like, my God.
Let the neighbors know my name.Are you, what business did I have listening to that?At 14.That's why I lost my virginity at 15.
But do you know, we were loving it though.We were like, really grinding to the track, enjoying it.
That's why I lost my virginity at 15, because I was listening to Troye songs when I was 14.Do you remember who you lost your virginity to? I do.What's your thoughts around that individual now?Do you know what?Yeah.
So I lost my virginity when I was 15 to a guy that I really, really liked.He was my boyfriend.Oh, that's cute.It was one of them days when I used to travel all the way to London to go and link man, like a joke thing.How old is he?He was 16.
So he was only one year above me.And I think I love my virginity story.Like I love the way I lost my virginity because It was to someone that I really liked and I had feelings for.It was at my house.It was in my space.
It wasn't in the back of a car or in a bush.I hear a lot of girls' virginity stories and it actually is quite sad.I don't know many girls that have lost their virginity in a way that they're happy with.But even though me and him, we don't,
Funny enough, I checked on him maybe a couple months ago.Like, we're still cool to this day.Like if I see him, it's big hugs on me.Like I don't fancy anymore, but it's big hugs on me.
But I appreciate him because the way I lost my virginity is something I can turn around and say, I did not regret it.Which unfortunately for a lot of women and maybe even men, that is the story.But thank God that's not my story.
I felt like you wanted to tell me, because I mean, my virginity story is amazing.Don't know about yours.
It's so weird because I remember the rain was, it was on my, when I was living at my mom's house, I had a single bed.Yeah.Was it on the single bed?It was on the single bed.At least it wasn't a bunk bed.It wasn't a bunk bed.It was a single bed.
And I remember as I was losing my virginity, the rain started pouring really heavy.Like the rain was- You have memories.No, I only remember significant things.
I've blocked my memory of the romantic story you had there is not mine.I've not thought about it in 25 years.And what we're not going to do is think about it.
Was it good or was it bad?Oh, terrible.
Oh, terrible.We're not going to say much more than that.But no, it wasn't great.
I mean, mine wasn't very long, obviously, because my pussy was tight and that. It wasn't very long in that, but it was the experience.It was an experience that I do not regret having.Rain drops and everything.Rain drops and raindrops.
All I know is that, I've not shared that.You know what you do, you make people be over sharing.All I know is the person, I lost my virginity's name.I don't actually know if I knew his actual name, was Rizla over. What the fuck?
Rizla, as in like, rapping.
Yeah, like Rizla.It was Hood.So you didn't know him?No, I know, no, I knew him.
I knew his name as Riz.What, you knew his tag name as Rizla?
I knew only his tag name.Oh my God.And this is, again, she's refined, a refined character.
Oh my God.She's not for the streets anymore.But his tag name was Rizla.Was that the type of guys that you used to like when you were growing up, like Hood Boys? Everybody had a hood boy phase.Everybody had a hood boy phase.
Hood and attempted murderer phase. in prison.I was going to say drug a dealer and a fraudster and a potential murderer.I was dealing with
hood.And then I think after being with people who were so hood, Jesus said, you need to be delivered from the streets.And I went to Manchester and I met nice people.I love that.No, it was I'm from South London.
Drug a dealer and a fraudster and actually like, the ex I had is I haven't heard from.Oh, he's in jail for the next 10 years.Cool.Yeah.
That was very light work.Everybody I know. No, no, no, no.I think he called me once in prison.A hundred percent he called me once in prison.You're right, Patricia.You're right.No, please.Oh my God.But to be fair, like I have a wide circle of friends.
Like I have friends who've been in jail and they're good friends of mine.I don't judge them for being in jail, especially if they are like reformed characters.Like not still doing it.
They've changed.They've changed.Like one of my really good friends, like he was in jail for a long time. But like we met in church because he became literally like a really refined character.Like he's doing amazing things.
Refined character.Oh, he's like most lovable.
Is he single?I don't want to dialogue.
To be fair, he's gorgeous.Can't lie.Got three baby mamas though.
It's actually okay.It's actually okay.
Three baby mamas.It's okay.
But the mothers are still unrefined.
I can actually only deal with one baby mom.Three? is a gang fight and I can't win.At least if it's one-on-one, I can do my best.Okay, fine.
This is how you're judging.But I think the older you get, the more likely it is that a guy has a baby mom.
That's true, but one is fine.One baby mom, I could deal with.Like if you're in your thirties and you have one baby mom, I could date a guy that has a child.When it starts getting plural,
I'm just like, it's giving a character flaw because that means you're just sloppy.You're just breeding anybody that has a pussy and it's just not cute.
You're just breeding anyone that just has a pussy.I don't even know what I'm keeping here.People don't need to know about my hood stories and baby mothers.
Can I just say, I feel like the growth for a woman or even a guy, is understanding that the hood men are not it.When I was younger, I used to love a bad boy.I used to be like, oh my God, yeah, I need a drug dealer.I need a fraud star.
But I feel like when you grow up, you find out that those men are just not it.No.They're not emotionally mature because you're doing stuff that is very risky.Very risky.
I mean, like, if you date a guy with like a nine to five who has a business and he's, you know, still doing dodgy stuff on the side, I think that's okay. What?I think that's okay.Do what you need to do.We are hustler, baby.
But if it's like, my job is to be a drug, anyway, sorry, I'm going in the wrong direction.If like your job is to be full-time drug dealer, full-time fraud star, I feel like when you're young, and you're 40, when you're young, that stuff is cute.
It's like, oh my God, risque, woo, like living life on the edge, like per.But when you're older, I think like you crave more stability.
And you want somebody that will come home at night and your heart won't be beating where they are if they're away for more than one hour.I think that is growth.
It's giving Top Boy energy.Actually, when I watch Top Boy energy, when I watch Top Boy and I see Dushane and Sully at their big age, have you watched Top Boy?Yes.At their big age, still doing this.I'm like, uncles, stop.
Nothing to show for it.Nothing, no investment.
The same mistake, the same drama, the stress is stressing, you're running. And that's how the story ends.
No house, no investments.You have nothing to show for years and years of drug dealing.It's even embarrassing.You're still wearing a hoodie, let it go.But can I just say Kano was looking so handsome.Listen, Kano was my teen crush.
Crush.You don't know about Kano in his rap days, what?You don't know Kano was a rapper?What was the, it was something, rhythm.You know, it was always something, rhythm.He had one rhythm that he was on.I knew that rhythm, lyric for lyric.
Kano, when he came up, he was that guy.
Damn.He's so handsome.I never saw it in the last seasons, But this season in particular, I don't know whether he's been going to the gym.
He's got curly eyelashes as well.
I don't know what it is.And my mom has this thing about men with big eyes.I don't know what, cause his eyes are big as well.It's just like, why are you looking into my soul?Like.Kano, shut up.
Yeah.Wow.Okay.Love that.What did you think about the Top Boy season this season?The last one?
I thought it was good.I found it a bit frustrating just watching them do what they're doing, but that means it's good TV.
I was irritated by them.I haven't watched the end of the last episode.
Okay.I won't ruin it for you, but I feel like, you know, when TV is good, when you're shouting at the characters, when you're angry, like, why are you doing that to Shayna?Like they can hear you.
And I cried big tears when Lauren's sisters died, when her died in the Bible.
This is a spoiler alert, but wow.
I think what I loved about this season, what I really loved about this season was that because it was the last season, I think they used this season to really touch on situations that were in our community that might not necessarily be highlighted at a time.
Police brutality was one of them.They touched on immigration.They touched on postpartum depression.They touched on so many things that I feel like people normally wouldn't know about unless you're in that situation.
For example, I haven't had a child yet, so I couldn't understand what it is for postpartum, but I think like you said, as much as it touched you, it touched me.Yeah.
I know this happens to women.I was like, oh, I know what she's going through.I can see what she's going through.And this is why she's dealing with this.And I was like thinking about all the other women who've gone through that, like alone.
And that's why I was like, oh my God, this is awful.And the thing about Top Boy that I found a bit frustrating is it's too real. When people ask, I'm like, whoever's writing this, they've been here.I know too many stories like this.
I know the estates like this.It's too real.I actually need you not to air our business out like this.That's how I feel.I'm like, no, stop telling that. They're snitching.Don't let everybody know how cheap things really are in the actual streets.
I want to pretend like it's not like that, but it's real.
It's not even a joke.I feel like a lot of middle class boys and girls watch Top Boy.I feel like nowadays the hood aesthetic is the cool aesthetic.
So even if your mommy and daddy have money, you're going to be saying, innit fam, like you've lived in the blocks all your life.
because this is real life, I felt like it's very important for those other communities who haven't lived that life but love the aesthetic to really see the issues in our community.
And in aspects, understand that it's not just Adidas trainers and grime that we go through.We go through real life shit, drug addiction as well. seeing mothers being drug addicts, being drug addicts as well.It happens.
This is, like you said, it's roll out for anyone.Yeah, it's too early.I know who they are.
When I say that, say my ex was a murderer.Yeah.He's one of them.But then it's like, I feel almost embarrassed because I know this is, it feels like my, our dirty laundry is being aired out.
I think it's important because I feel like it's, I feel like, people love to take the black aesthetic, but they don't know what we really go through.Like everything that is good about us was created out of making use of what was bad, basically.
And I feel like, as much as it's like, yeah, well, you know, fashion and music, I feel like it's important for mainstream to see what we really go through.
To then be able to say, do you know what, yeah, it may be there's somebody out there that wants to make a change, like a Jeremy Corbyn 2.0, do you know what I mean?To kind of make an influence in those things.
I feel like some people just don't want to face the reality that life is hard and life is tough.And it's long.And it's long.I feel like I have been in that de lulu bubble where I'm like, you know what?Yeah.
Forget the fact that I have five pound in my account right now.Forget the fact that I owe 2K on rent.Forget the fact that life is shit.I'm just going to pretend in my bubble that everything is okay.
Because if we really face reality, we will just all be screaming on the high street. So sometimes it's a coping mechanism because I've been there before.Like sometimes reality is hard to face.So let's all be delusional in our brains.
Everything is okay.We're living in our little Twitter bubble where all we do is talk about celebrity gossip and fashion and stuff.And it's a form of escapism from our real lives that is actually very, very bad.
Right now, dilulu is my favorite statement.I'm okay being dilulu and I'm okay with everybody else being dilulu.Live your best life.However you're gonna cope right now, the pressure is on, do it.Don't care.
Dilusion is the vibe.Dilusion is the vibe.I feel like dilusion got me to where I am now.Because I was, like I said, like I came from a place where I was in debt, I was having, I was on,
universal credit, and in my mind, and I would still go to, what's that thing called?What's that pay, when you pay for something, but you pay like half or... Clearpay.I would go to Clearpay and go buy, or Klarna.
and buy an outfit and they will say, okay, five pound every month, thank you.I will use that five pounds to go and buy the dress and I will go out and I will party like I don't have two pound 50 in my account.
Like that's how I used to live my life because I was like, I can't kill myself.I can't, by the way, for people who don't understand that saying, because I've said it before and the white people are confused.
I can't kill myself doesn't mean I want to kill myself.I can't kill myself means I can't stress myself.It's a Nigerian saying.I can't come and die.I can't come and die.I can't stress myself.I can only do so much.I'm a human being is what it means.
So I just used to just live in that delusional mindset to be like, everything's gonna be okay.Everything is fine.These times my landlord was texting me, WhatsAppping me every day.Jess, have you got the money?Have you got the money?
Every time my universal credit dropped, I never gave her any money. I used to go and spend it on clothes and shoes.Well, we're so glad that things have changed.And food, because I can't... Are you going to come and beat me because I can't pay rent?
Seriously, are you going to come and drag me out of this house?You can't drag me out of this house.I've still got two months left before you can take me to court.I'm going to stay here for as long as I can.I can't...
That's how I used to live my life.
I love the fact that you're calculating it in your head though.
Yeah, that's how I used to, I said I can't because I will actually just, I will go and jump off this building.
Yes, you don't need to do that.
I just used to always know that things were going to be okay.Yeah, yeah. I wasn't gonna stop the things that will make me happy because of the things that if I was to face them would be mentally damaging.
And I know people are probably like Joyce is insane.I am insane.But insanity is what got me to where I am now.The woman has collected her money.I paid the woman off the rent that I owed and I'm feeling- No, I never ended up going to court.
I gave her the money and I'm feeling willy nilly.Now I'm never in a position and I thank God that I don't have the money to pay rent.God has been so good.Like, but there was a time where that was the case.There was the time where there was no food.
I would go to go and buy best buy rice. and best buy sweet and sour in a jar.If you know, you know.And it was 50p for the sweet and sour jar.No meats.You just go and put the rice.No, I never used to buy rice.There's always rice at home.
In all said and done, there's always rice at home.You go and boil rice.You'll put the best buy sweet and sour and you eat it like that.No meats, no nothing.Just rice and fucking sauce.That's how it tasted.I'm not gonna lie.
It didn't bang, but it's something that needed to cook. I couldn't afford enzyme.Wow. Cause that jar will bank, you have like two or three, you know, you can make two or three things out of it, you know what I mean?
Like that was the life that I came from and I experienced.So yeah, delusion is the motherfucking vibe.So even if you're in a situation where life doesn't look so good, it's best to just trick and fool yourself that life is going absolutely fine.
And it will just manifest that way, cause that's what I did.
Yeah.Well, I love that.I feel like we can end on that.Like, be de lulu for a season.Try and pay your rent if you can.And things will work out.It's the accountant.Just try and pay your rent if you can.If you can.Have a conversation.
Okay, me being the good one.Have a conversation with your landlord.Try and work out a payment plan.
No, that's what I did.I did.I set up a payment plan.I tried to set up a payment plan with them and I was paying maybe 50 pound of the, but they wanted me out of the house and I had nowhere to go.Don't leave.Don't leave.Don't leave.
I don't know who needs to hear this, but don't leave.
Make sure they get legal evictions.
on legal evictions and talk to your counsel.Listen, they're not allowed to throw you out willy nilly.They have to wait three months and they have to take you to court and give you this section thing.Anyways, not that.Section 21.Oh yes, you know.
They have to give you section 21 before they can kick you out and they still have to take you to court.So stay your ass over there.Okay, well.
Dilulu Era for everyone.Thank you Joyce for coming on and we really appreciate it.I feel like this conversation was a jest.Love it for us, we really went in there and yeah, where can everyone find you?
So I am on a podcast called Cocktails and Takeaways, hosted by moi.We are coming back in September, so if it's not already out, it's gonna be out and I'm very, very excited.Also social medias, Madam Joyce, one Instagram,
And then Madame X Joyce on all other platforms and Madame Joyce on TikTok as well.So check it out.
I appreciate it.Thank you.
Marketing is hard. But I'll tell you a little secret.It doesn't have to be.Let me point something out.You're listening to a podcast right now, and it's great.You love the host.You seek it out and download it.
You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom.Podcasts are a pretty close companion.And this is a podcast ad. Did I get your attention?
You can reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from LibSyn Ads.
Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a pre-produced ad like this one across thousands of shows to reach your target audience and their favorite podcasts with LibSyn Ads.
Go to LibSynAds.com, that's L-I-B-S-Y-N, ads.com today.
Sign in
