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If you ever thought about getting into business, this is a damn good show to get some 411 without any further ado.Welcome, Brett the Hitmanheart.Brett, how are you?I'm doing good, real good.
You're in Calgary right now.What's the temperature?
It's nice and cool.Actually, these are the best days of the year right now.
I'm just taking it easy.I did a lot of traveling last week.I had the Bret Hart Appreciation Night here last week in Calgary on Raw.That was a big day, and then they made it actually Bret Hart Day here in Calgary.
And other than that, I've just been taking it easy.I was in Hawaii before that.I got a place down there that I try to spend the kind of May and I don't like May up here.May's the worst month of the year up here.It's like worse than January.
Hey, let's talk about let's talk a little bit about the Bret Hart Appreciation Day.How was that for you?You go back into the locker room.How long were you actually in WWE total time?
Well, I was there 14 straight years.
14 straight years.You go down to WCW, you retire, you've been back several times since, but you go back in for Bret Hart Appreciation Day.And how's that locker room?How's the feel and how's the atmosphere?
You know, I have nothing but respect for all of them.It's a different kind of group of kids.I call them kids now, because I guess that's what they are.They're so much smaller.
they're better athletes and there are some of them are just amazing uh... it's breathing with but someone like brian daniel daniel brian and uh... and and punk and some of these guys with some of the stuff that they're doing this it's just amazing how they can take it another couple inches further all the time there's always somebody taking wrestling another over over the boundaries and uh... making it good again and there's a lot of really good talent out there i love watching the wrestlers
Well, to your point, things kind of keep evolving, just like the game of football has.How often are you able to watch Monday Night Raw these days and stay on top of the current storylines, angles, and everything they've got going?
Here and there, off and on.I found the last few months I've been watching it pretty close.I try to watch it.When I find that it starts going to too much too much backstage stuff and too many hokey storylines, I sort of fade off.
But usually I go back and check it out again.There's certain guys, especially second generation guys, like my own nieces and nephews, like Harry and Bulldog's kid, and Natalia Neidhardt, and Kurt Hennig's kid, and this guy's kid, and Randy Orton.
I know all of them.I knew a lot of them when they were kids.I kind of always root for the second generation wrestlers, just haven't been one myself, or even the third generation wrestlers.
I just think they understand it from a whole different perspective.
It's kind of like they've, you know, obviously they've grown up in the system.Do you feel like being second generation gives those kids an advantage?
Oh yeah, it gives them like, you know, just watching it, you know.I don't know that I was ever the greatest student in school, you know, but I think that the real truth of it is that I was a student of wrestling.
Like when I got out of school, I didn't really worry about my math, but when I went to wrestle matches that night from
programs when I was a little kid from my dad after I finished selling all my programs I'd get to sit right at the timekeeper table and I'd be watching Luke Pez wrestling Gene Kaneski and you know I'd see the best in the world right up close and studying it and watching it and going those guys are good like you know I knew the good wrestlers from the bad ones I knew the guys that um the one guys came across to me as fake or just didn't look very real or didn't look like they took it serious
I came across him instantly, and I think as a young kid I understood wrestling.I think when I got into it, I didn't know how exactly it worked, but I knew, I had some ideas on it, always I think as a kid.
And when they finally do break you in and tell you that, okay, this is how it works, usually they break you in to referee, you know, it's not such a big shock.You kind of go, okay, I kind of knew anyway.
But at the same time my dad took Kay Fabe so serious.
before all the exposés, as when you grew up, as when you grew up, when I grew up, wrestling was real.And although you're second generation, your dad was in the business, it was very protected.
What is the biggest difference in your eyes between the kayfabe era versus today's era?
Um, I think it's, it's never the same for the fans.I mean, I think all I ever tried to do is make it as real for the fans as possible. I never liked to go with someone, I never liked to be the one that gave it away.
You know, like when two wrestlers were drinking together after they fought each other and stuff like that, I never wanted to be one of those guys that gave it away where it's like, oh, totally, you know, like that.
I always wanted them to guess and think that maybe there was a little tension between me and the one guy that did have to wrestle, even if he was in the same bar or whatever it is.
I never ever, I always thought that when I was a little kid, I wanted to believe it was real. Part of being a fan as a kid was when I thought it was real.That was when it was cool.I wanted to see the fight next week.I grew up with all that.
I grew up very defensive of wrestling in my family.It was the family business.At the same time, I don't know how many fights I had as a kid.
It makes me laugh when I think about how many fights I had as a kid simply over the statement that my dad is tougher than your dad.
was usually led to a wrestling match on the grass, where usually I put a professional wrestling move on, like a sleeper hold or a Boston Crab.I remember the Sheiks move, it was the Sheiks from Detroit that did that, the Camel Clutch or whatever.
I don't know how many guys I beat with that.I remember they did that.
When you put a kid in a Camel Clutch on the schoolyard, you mean serious business, brother.
I remember thinking, you can't do this stuff in amateur wrestling.
Hey, let's talk about when Dr. D. David Shultz and talking about kayfabe and not kayfabe and back in when guys protected their business because it was their business and everything was predicated on the fact that this was real.
when John Stossel went back to do that interview with Dr. D, and Dr. D, I never met the guy, David Schultz, but he was probably a little bit on the aggressive side, and he slapped John Stossel a couple of times and really damaged his ears, but obviously a very unwise move, not a smart thing to do, but he was trying to protect the business in his way.
What was your opinions when that was going down?
Well, I think Dave was stressed out at the time,
but the the real truth of it is is that he did take pride in the business and i think that when that happened with Stossel his attitude was that uh... i think he did it for the boys and did it for everybody he thought that everyone would go you know who is this punk to be you know yeah i thought he uh... he was trying to give credibility to you know and i i i agree that it was probably not the smartest thing in the world but he that's how kind of how Dave was Dave had a short fuse and uh...
When he got himself worked up enough, he had a short fuse and could go off on anybody.
But in saying that, I always thought Dave was always a good guy to me, and I always felt that he just had to sort of work through that and calm the beast in him sometimes and get him back to his... In looking back on that, I always
I've seen that clip back so many times and I have to admit that Stossel did deserve to get slapped.He was definitely over the line by a long shot.
If you're going to take that approach, the smartest place to do that isn't where he did that, maybe in a studio there, you know, where he had all his people around.
Not that they would have done anything, but I think he picked the wrong person, the wrong place and the wrong time to conduct that interview.
Right.But I always thought Dave, you know, in looking back over things over the years.I've always thought he was a hero to me for that day.He was always a hero.He did that for a lot of the boys, saluted him on that one.
Hey man, you know, I don't know how clear I was when I started this show and talking about our conversation.
It's just kind of two guys talking about the business and we're going to filter in some questions that I pulled off my website that people wanted to ask you.
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And like if you and me were riding down the road together, and this is the kind of stuff that we would be talking about, I gotta tell you that I've probably never heard enough stories about the dungeon.
And I was reading some more articles about you before we talked, and your dad putting you in so many holes down there, and teaching you the business, teaching you respect. What was the atmosphere, the vibe like?
Because the stories that were going around was just people screaming and being stretched and punished.What was the dungeon all about?
You know, it was just a little tiny room, really wasn't that big of a room.It was a little cement room and then they put some boards around it so you could run into the boards, which are a little softer.They were sort of cushioned boards.
And then there was no ropes. It was a big mat that was as hard as a floor.There was hardly any give to it at all.In fact, it had boards going all the way across it.
There was a little bit of padding, not very good padding, and some canvas, and it was stretched out over the mat.It was actually probably a pretty good amateur wrestling mat, but it was not necessarily a good bump.It had a low ceiling.
It had two windows where you could kind of peek in, which were usually broken from baseball and stuff like that. But your dad wasn't down there teaching Shane wrestling, he was teaching wrestling holds in respect.
well you know what it was with he was always he'd love wrestling he was more of a his his whole thing was he'd love to shoot wrestling he'd wrestle he'd go down there and uh... he'd have it wherever guys were working up here they would come up on after on weekends when business was good in the fifties all the wrestlers would start a party at my dad's house and he'd have a beer and hot dogs and barbecue and stuff like that and uh... they'd have a big barbecue and stew with uh... big beer
down in his basement and they'd all drink beer and wrestle all day long in the gym.Pull around, pull necks, as they used to call it.
I can remember being about three or four years old and walking around down there with all these huge legs, like weightlifters usually have big, huge, heavy legs and guys squatting and stuff like that.Guys like Mike Sharp's dad.
I can remember a lot of the guys from those days.
uh... there was a lot of a lot of people up there muscle on that bulldog power was a guy who was around in those days and i'm pretty and i would look for about nineteen sixty was what three years old i could probably start remembering them a little bit and uh... you know you just be around them and i just was always couple be around wrestlers the often they often draw up to my parents also uh... because they got the check on friday if they needed early for something they'd drive up and get it pick it up my mom was always uh...
Those are the funny things about my dad's house.The office is right upstairs.My mom was doing all the work in the office.My dad would be downstairs stretching guys in the basement.
You could hear the bellowing and screaming and these groans coming from the basement all the time for hours.I'd bring a friend over to the house and we'd just go upstairs to play pool or something.You'd hear all these groans.
It was like a haunted house or a torture chamber. You know, people be looking at you.There was a story about my mom one time that she heard when she wasn't accustomed to stretching guys in the basement.This must have been before I was born.
But she had to phone the police because she heard all the screaming and stuff coming out of the basement.And out of the basement came into being what it was in the early 50s.
Stu had good connections with the New York territory because he worked there. He was able to get a lot of the champions to come up to work up in Calgary for the Stampede and different things and bring them up to these big shows.
Wrestling started to take off with television in those days and Stu was one of the first guys to get wrestling on TV.My dad sort of ran wrestling like you dream it.It was like this great dream for all these wrestlers.
They were all guys to be hired and they were running around the country. Wrestling was super popular and wrestling became popular.They bought an airplane.The guys that used to work my dad's territory in the 50s used to fly to the town.
It was like a whole different world.By the time I was born, wrestling changed and wrestling had lost some of its glamour.It was kind of getting old.There was baseball and all kinds of stuff on TV now.When my dad would get calls from guys, he'd say,
you know, someone like Vern Gagne would call up and he goes, I got this guy that's, you know, he's a football player, but I don't know if he's got what it takes.So I'm going to send him up to Stu.
But was it just football players for Stu to stretch or was it accomplished guys coming in there to learn some more stuff to put in their arsenal?Because I'm thinking it's purely submission holes.
And how much of that, you know, are they going to actually use in a squared circle?
Well, like I said, a lot of times they just bowl around.Everybody took on everybody.You had about ten guys up there learning.There would be a couple that are football players and there would be a couple that are just big farm kids.
Yeah, and got referred, referenced.The guys that ended up here were guys that somebody had said, hey, check out Stu Hart in Calgary.He'll teach you how to be a wrestler.
What kind of come-to-Jesus meeting was it for these football players who think they're all that and a bag of chips?
And I got a lot of respectful football players, but mister, when you take that knowledge and put it in there with a shooter, and you're in that world, tough day at the office.How'd the football players make out?
Well, you know, a lot of guys, if you look back on those days, like Wilbur Snyder and
jinkies here uh... pretty glad and that's quite a few guys that were football players that got into wrestling and did quite well i think it could be viewed you know they're comparable to each other at the good big man uh... wrestling is for someone to get specially a few you had to leave football couldn't injury or whatever you stood up to you know the basics uh... wrestling to perfecting for for somebody who's uh...
it's a lot of the same movement as a football player.Same kind of running, the same kind of physical contact.A lot of the progress.
What kind of stuff was your dad telling you, like if he had you in a submission hold and he was stretching you, what was he telling you while he was doing that?
Well, you know, there's a lot of people who like to describe my dad as a guy that just always tortured guys, you know, but the reality and the honest truth of it is that he never was like that at all.And he was generally a guy that
He was so passionate about it, he really loved teaching anybody that would just want to learn.
You could stop him anywhere, on a bus, anywhere, airplane, getting, you know, as long as you wanted to know how it worked, for real, he would love to show you.He loved a good student.
Someone that he started to show you how to, you know, bend somebody and bend them up into a pretzel, and he was giving you sort of the fine points on how to get the guy's arm to sweep across this way, or whatever.
All these little fine-tuning little tricks that he used to have.
if you took uh... an interest in it uh... you could talk to you talking to you know if you talk to you for days about it you know he he was he was like that that was what he loved to do that was that's where he really loved to do more than anything in the world teach you submission wrestling anyone that was interested especially big men he loved to make a big tough guy even tougher and maybe even more
you know you do you want to do you want to give up much more predictable but obviously that had a a lot to do uh... with your work style in the ring i was uh... obviously i've had my hundred matches with you uh... they all were what they were and we went out there and the thing about when you and i work with each other was told respect total trust and both guys going out there and having a damn good match you know for that crowd but in looking at your work and i was last night on you tube dot watch uh...
I think, I guess it was you and Ricky Steamboat from 1986.It might have been at the Boston Garden.It was, man, that was a hellacious match.
And just the work itself and going back to some of your earlier matches in Calgary with you and Dynamite when you guys are still youngsters, but just the work.
itself, the tightness, the snugness, and you guys weren't potating each other, I'm just talking about good solid work.
If you're looking, if you're on the internet looking for some good wrestling, just look up Brett versus Steamboat at about 86, look up anything with Brett and Dynamite, or anything with Brett in general, but these are some of the matches I worked last night, I watched last night, and you, when I watch you in the ring,
You can watch that today, tomorrow, 20 years from now.That is reality.That is what professional wrestling is supposed to be.
Yeah, I took a lot of pride in all my matches.I've had a lot of people tell me that they can't find a bad match, even though I do know there are a few of them out there.
But most of my matches, I mean, I always, whether the camera was on or whether the camera was off, I always gave a hard match.I never cut corners.I was always the guy that wanted to leave it all on the field every night.
My dad, that's the way he ran his wrestling, and that's the way as a fan I watched wrestling.I enjoyed being Brett the Hitman. I just grew into that persona, that character.
Well, who was Brett the Hitman, Hart?The character or the personality in the ring?Who and what was Brett the Hitman?
What was that all about?A whole bunch of different things.And I think it's the same for you.You sort of transform over a period of time.You become this thing.But you know, you invest so much of your own magic into this
thing that you create and it's the television and everything else and the look that you have at a certain time and it's like you peak at a certain time and you know I look back on my time when I peaked you know I didn't peak in you know in 1984 and Hogan days and you know Warrior and you know a lot of ways I kind of floated around the mid card and you know I had the tag belts and stuff
but i was never you know i kind of always a kind of misfit kept this in the trainer kept thinking i was but in reality i was you know what i did get my break you know by uh... i was still while i had paid a lot of dues but still um... you know i think the timing was perfect i really was uh... you know i think i felt in ninety two maybe you you'd be a good person to sort of talk about all this but i mean i i think if you look at wrestling today
and you see these, the way they wrestle today, the way the whole show works, the way the sort of bending the reality and the backstage and making it a live sort of soap opera and all that, it all comes from Raw in the days of my generation.
But I think that if you really watch wrestling today and you're a fan of it,
or at least part you know you still have a good wrestling match depending on who's working i think you'll find that most of the wrestlers today are not they didn't get their um... wrestling skills watching a lot of them the guys before me like i don't know what kind of way they went down but like sort of the muscle man era and the bodybuilder era like the warrior hogan the days of wrestling being the one tackle drop down get it again like the slow
Guys that weren't creating, like when I got into the business, a lot of guys had stopped creating and wrestling was becoming a routine.Everybody had a routine and that's all you did, you just stayed in the routine.
I think when Dynamite came along in Calgary, we changed that up a lot.It became like, no more routines, we're going to just ad-lib and do stuff.I think I brought a lot, and I think Dynamite also did.
The Heart to the Stampede guys brought a lot of that to WWE when we came in.We started making everyone pick up the pace a little bit.Wrestling was supposed to be bang, bang, bang.
but between the bumps, between the holes, stuff in transition.I mean, once you knocked a guy down, whether it was you or Dynamite, and both you guys were selling your asses off.
I mean, it was, you know, Picasso and Rembrandt on the salesman aspect of that match, and great offensive moves, but you guys weren't rushing through the process.You were taking your time.
And I want to talk a little bit more about your rivalry, your matches in the early days of Calgary with Dynamite.And I want to talk more about your early matches in Calgary, the Stampede Wrestling with Dynamite when we come back from this break.
We're talking with Bret Hart.I'll be right back.
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Welcome to the Steve Austin Show.
Alright, like I said, you wanted the best, I got the best.I'm talking with Bret the Hitman Hart today, just an off-the-cuff conversation between two cats who come from the world of pro wrestling.
And yeah, I know it's sports entertainment today, but when you're talking about Steve Austin and Bret the Hitman Hart talking, it's pro wrestling.
When we left off, we were talking about Dynamite Kid, we were talking about your matches in the ring, how you guys had a quick work rate, but were taking your time and telling the stories.I've always, Wanted to know a little bit more about Dynamite.
Unfortunately, I was never able to meet him while he was still in the ring.What kind of guy was he?
You know, he was... He was, I think, the guy that changed wrestling to where it is right now.He deserves the most credit of anybody I can think of.Maybe me, and maybe in some other ways, I'm behind him in that.
But he really changed wrestling, and he was so fast-paced.
he learned his wrestling psychology or wrestling style in england which was rooted in actually shoot kind of wrestling with a lot of silly kind of wrestling at the same time like flips and rolls and tumbling and sort of funny type of wrestling that people a lot of americans laughed at wrestlers that worked like that but there was some guys that you know even fit finley and guys like that before that were you know real good wrestlers and legit wrestlers that uh...
were in the business and uh... and so in england you could go to a swan show would be a lot of you know have not very good workers say and you might go to another show ten miles up the road that's uh... it's a full of like a really hard workers and all cheers guys put on great matches in england had a share of great workers and dynamite learned a lot of that and when he came to uh... calgary and uh... you know stampede wrestling
He was always, unfortunately, a guy that had a bit of a chip on his shoulder, though.He was a small man complex.He was a small guy.
How tall was Dynamite straight up?
He was about 5'8".5'8", which made him not very tall, but not so short.
Then he was a guy just to walk him.
I mean, I saw him.He was like a pit bull.He was a real pit bull of wrestling.
But was he just a main-spirited guy?
He was, you know, he was a good guy.He was like a mean little pit bull.If you made friends with him and you got to know him, he was the friendliest little pit bull in the world.But if you crossed him, he would bite your head off.
He was afraid of no man.I mean, when I say that, I mean nobody.
He was one of those kind of guys who would go nose to nose with the biggest guy in the company over anything, over the smallest thing, and usually just establish that, you know, who he was.
always want to be the toughest guy in the room and generally has accorded that respect all the time because a lot of times, despite his size, He was the toughest guy in the room.He was a tough, really tough little guy.
When I watched you guys in the ring from your earlier matches back in the day, you guys were just seemingly so on the same page and had such chemistry.Was it like that the first time you locked up?Was it something that was acquired?
Because just watching you two work together, there's from, you know,
and I coming from myself, there's seemingly almost no communication going on in that ring, and you guys are just telling the story and beating the living dog shit out of each other and having kick-ass matches.
Well, you know, the truth about me and Dynamite is that we, I saw him, I worked with him the very first, I had actually had, I had my first wrestling match, I think, the week before.And then they asked me to go again, and I said, I didn't want to go.
I'm just learning how to wrestle.I was going to Puerto Rico.But they sent me around on a road trip, because they were short one guy.Somebody else was wrestling Dynamite.
And they promised me a real easy match with sort of an old veteran guy that was going to lead me through the moves and kind of make sure I looked OK.And so I had it all planned.I had the whole match set up.
It was really easy, or at least for me, it was hard. But something happened and the guy wouldn't work with dynamite.And they switched it and told me that I had to wrestle.I said, I can't wrestle an English guy.
I can barely, I know how to take a few bumps and stuff, but I don't know how to wrestle.I just started.I had my first match last week.Give me a break.Like I can't do a bunch of flips and rolls.I'd already seen dynamite stuff.
they'd made me wrestle dynamite.And dynamite sitting in the dressing room watching me sort of make this big thing.I never got to tell him, it's not that I don't want to wrestle you, it's just that I don't know how to wrestle you.
But he took offense to all that.And he broke me in dynamite style.
You know, we worked for most of the match, but every now and then he'd just kick me in the face as hard as he could, or he'd just duplex me over the top rope, like right onto the floor, or like it was just... Dude, was that a shoot?
Was that a shoe?That's on YouTube.That suplex over the top rope is one of the most brutal things I've ever seen in my life.It was phenomenal.It was spectacular.
If you're on the watching end of it, if you're on the receiving end of it, ah, not so much.
Well, you know, and sad, I say this with all great sadness, that same bump that we did perfectly that day on that show, it didn't hurt ourselves.
it's the same one that he did with dynamite or he did with davy years later for a finish in japan when they were had finally had to wrestle each other which was a big match and dynamite with davy suplexed him over the top and dynamite hurt his back on the ring apron and that's the back injury that sort of uh... ruined his life
was that the uh... was at the back into cuz i thought it was uh... uh... in a tag match were seemingly can almost trip coming off the road was that was that you heard about the morocco and orton somewhere in hamilton but that was at the match that kind of broke the that's a really good twenty-first right they came back to carry back to address him that put him on ice for they put ice on his pack for about an hour thirty minutes ago to be a waitress but he wrestled again women wrestled uh...
that was you know, it just went a few years later.
I'd love to talk with that guy a little bit.You know, I've seen some stuff on him.I guess he's in a wheelchair over there.
But like you said, I mean, that guy really paved a way for a lot of guys to follow and was stylistically just a trendsetter from the innovation standpoint.
The other thing about Dynamite that I loved about them, and I think people, some people don't, you know, they don't like them.
don't have respect for but the truth is that uh... but there was a story about people talking about what harley harley race uh... some kind of abdominal surgery or you know uh... you got to have some complications that take a bunch of his intestine out and he was off the road suddenly and everyone was kind of we just heard about a dresser and honky-tonk said some remark in a dresser about i guess he doesn't got any guts anymore
And Dynamite got up and walked over and just backhanded and knocked him off the chair.Dynamite was the policeman in the dressing room.He didn't let any bullshit or somebody come in with an attitude.Or a guy that was a superstar.
They had to come in and earn their rights in the dressing room with the boys.The guys that were doing the work.And he was really good.A lot of guys will tell you that's what
He was a bit of a bully, and he was a bit of a bully, like I can think of other situations where it was over the line.You know, with Jock Rugel, for example.
But there was times that Dynamite being a bully and being a bit of a policeman would stray down, guys.Like that whole thing that happened years later with Sean, with Sean's personality back in 90 the truth is I've done my kid in the dresser.
None of that would ever happen, right?
He would have he would have policed that and straightened that out before it became an issue The boys don't do the boys have their own locker room You know to a certain degree then then the talent you had to always be one of the boys first I
Well, speaking of one of the boys and bringing up Dynamite being the policeman of the locker room, I've heard so many stories about Andre the Giant, the boss.If he didn't want you in the dressing room, he would run your ass out.
How was Andre back in the day?Was he the king of the dressing room?
Because Tim, Tim White, referee Tim White, who's refereed so many of yours and my matches, you know, if he didn't want you in there, he would grab your shit and throw it out the door and you really didn't have much to say about it.How was Andre?
You know, he was another one of those guys.You know, they can talk about Andre, but I loved him.I understood him and I sort of appreciate him.
And, you know, he, um, he was the kind of guy that, um, you know, you, if you respected him and yeah, it worked hard and you were like, he said, yeah, he earned it.He was, he was always, uh,
He was always a good guy, and Andre was a great worker, too.They say that a lot about Andre, but he was a super-coordinated guy.Actually, it's in the new WWE DVD that they just did on me a few months ago.
A month ago, it was me and Andre wrestling in Italy, which makes me laugh even thinking about it, because I remember going, �Who the hell put me with Andre?� I remember freaking out in the dressing room going, �Why am I in a single match with Andre?�
and under every makeup kind of back like he didn't give a shit and i were like don't give me a finisher anything i could say what the hell we're going to do anyway he finally started laughing talk about don't worry about it you know he just anyway i thought it later that it was a hundred that that asked that he could work with the city want to say russell brett hart one time and so we booked a single batch in beland but i will say this much what he did when he started drop that elbow on me
from that height.And looking up at that body, it's like a piano, like a grand piano getting ready to fall on top of you.You know, a seven foot four grand piano.And I just remember thinking, holy shit, he could kill me right now.
If he's off by an inch or two or just slips or just, you know, sneezes or something, I mean, I could die right now.
you know he dropped that i would drop on me was like to recover me with a blanket it was so uh... he was such a pro he really wasn't i a m i'd love to work with him i had a few my blood tags and situations with them but he was always a pro and always uh... you know he told you he was going to be there on the finisher you know like whatever it was he was there right you know whatever he needed to do he did you know i don't remember andre you know i also remember
You know, it's funny that you remember these stories.I remember my first day in WWE, WWF back then, was with the Dynamite Kid.They flew us down for Brantford and Poughkeepsie TV tapings, one in Toronto and one in Poughkeepsie, or close to Toronto.
But anyway, we went to Poughkeepsie and we landed at the airport in LaGuardia, and then we got some other little airline to White Plains or to Poughkeepsie.
And when we were in LaGuardia, I remember the three birds, all three of them, they were all passed out around the gate.Oh no.
And they were so, I remember we left without them, the plane, but you couldn't open, they couldn't open the door of the plane for the pilot and everyone else to get on because they were all cocked out against the door.
And I remember they missed the plane, they never showed up.And I think actually it was a couple of days later, the same kind of thing happened and
showed up in Providence, Rhode Island, and they showed up about an hour late into the show, and they came in talking, giving some excuse about being late.They were, I think, clearly had been drinking and whatever else they'd been doing.
And as soon as they walked in, Andre just said, you're fired.To all three of them.All three of you guys are fired.Andre said that?He goes, you're fired.
And I remember Michael, I remember Michael Hayes giving, cutting a promo on him, going, you can't fire me.You're not in charge and all this stuff. And Andre goes, you'll see tomorrow.It's either you're gone or I'm gone.They were all fired.
He was one of the boys.He was tired of them coming late, and they were bullshit, and they were getting away with it, and he just said enough.And he was a professional.He didn't like guys that weren't... Bam Bam was another guy that...
you know when uh... yet from big gates got matches with a whole lot of inquiry up to bat he just come in from somewhere in a brand new guy and uh... young guy making huge money without holding on top and he started bragging and bragging in the dressing room what he made and who who how great he was and this and that and he was talking out of his ass for about uh... uh... you know for a couple of days audrey wrestled made sure he wrestled him in the guard and
Andre kicked him around like a soccer ball for about 30 minutes.He manhandled Bam Bam, who was a fairly tough guy.When he got mad at you, you didn't want to be on the wrong side of Andre.
Well, I mean, there's nothing you can do with a human being like that, that big.
And pre-back surgery, before he really kind of started going downhill, I've heard stories of some of the stuff that he did in the ring, standing on a guy's hair and wrenching his arms up just because it was kind of torturing him a little bit, but just kind of letting him know, with no uncertain terms, that he didn't really like that particular person.
And there wasn't anything you could do about it.He was too big and powerful.
You know, I, I, um, I, I couldn't imagine, um, like Andre, well, you know, it was a good thing that Andre was as good natured as he was.
Did you ever drink with him?
Oh, all the time.Uh, it would have to be kind of a, kind of a normal thing.I think everybody drank with Andre, but you know, the truth about Andre was that when he, when he was at the bar, if, um, you kept bothering him or something like that.
You know, he would ignore you.Like wrestling fans kept coming up and asking for his autograph or tapping him on the shoulder.He would never turn around.He would never look at him.He never, he just took completely and totally ignored them.
And finally they would lose it to the point they would, they would cut promos on him.And he would still just ignore them.He just shut everybody out.And I realized that the poor guy never gets it.
You know, people bother this guy every, everywhere he goes.Right. And I don't think they understood how hard it was to be Andre.And I always allowed him that.
You know, I wrote a funny story in my book about my brother Smith driving us to the airport in my car, funny enough.But I was like, we were headed to rush Andre to the airport.We had to get him there for a plane that was leaving like right away.
And the plane was missed, was long missed when we were driving to the airport.But my brother Smith drove about. Oh God, I drove about 120 miles an hour to the airport.
At 5 o'clock traffic.And Andre was in the passenger seat.
It was a big Cadillac.A big 76-blown DeLorean.It was a big heavy-duty Cadillac.Andre was in the back seat.I was in the front seat.And my brother was driving my dad's Cadillac that he gave to me.
And he drove it like an absolute idiot to the airport, like just through stop signs, red lights, you know, side of the road, everything, driving about a hundred miles an hour.And he got to the airport and he ran in with Andre.
And then we, um, I remember when we went to the airport, there was a big ramp.If you ever see the Calgary airport, there's a big curved ramp as you're going up the airport to the next level.
And we almost went over, I swear, my brother took that corner so fast with Andre. We were on two wheels, and I remember the car actually started hydroplaning to go up in the air.
And then we crashed, kind of came down, and we screeched to a halt in front of the American departure or whatever.And Andre got out of my car.He was so mad, he slammed the doors.I never saw him so mad.He got out of the car.He was just steaming.
And he went in to try to make this supposed flight that he knew was missed. My brother came out about ten minutes later.The police came out.I remember they were going to arrest me.I remember I said to explain the whole thing.
It was my brother Smith driving.He was trying to drive Andre to get him on a flight.I kind of talked the cop out of giving him a ticket.Andre was so, and rightfully so, because I was right in the car.I know how scary that ride was.
We really did almost go over that ramp.He wouldn't talk to my dad, and he wouldn't talk to my brother, any of my brothers, including Nolan, forever again.He wouldn't talk to anyone. He started talking to me only after I sort of made friends with him.
So he didn't say thank you for the ride.
Yeah.But you know, in all fairness to Andre, I always understood that.I mean, shit, that was a scary ride.And he's got every right to be, had every right to be mad.
uh... i uh... before you came on the show i sent out on my uh... twitter account steve austin bsr you can follow me on twitter steve austin bsr you can follow brett at at brett hart on twitter and i sent out some
information that you were going to be on the show, and if you had any questions, just send your emails.
We're about to go to break, but before we go to break, let's answer a couple of these questions and then come back and go all the fan questions so that the people who participated in this show can get their question asked and answered by Bret Hart.
What is your most cherished moment in the ring?And I know that's a tough one because there's a lot of special moments in your career.
uh... part really hard it is really hard to say but probably got a c uh... maybe within the title of the first time you know i just think uh... you know i wasn't the greatest match or wasn't great you know it wasn't it wasn't anything like you know if i could have planned it you know but at the same time uh... i think it was the most important coming up with the big night that was uh...
Somebody could have told me that someday when I got into wrestling I would reach that pinnacle and really be the champion of the world.If I somehow could have known I was going to get that far, it just seemed like such a far off dream.
No, not really.It was like that would be my deep, farthest dreams.That's kind of how I looked at it, too.It was like, jeez, the craziest dream that I ever had came true.I am a champion.I used to write wrestling magazines, draw the pictures.
I had the belt on.I was the champion.I took on everybody.My little wrestling magazine was WWF.I fought my brother Owen in the wrestling magazine.It was really funny, all the stuff I drew when I was about 13 years old, because you know I like to draw.
But I draw these magazines with myself and different brothers as champions.But Owen was the one bad brother, which was funny because he's the one that used to laugh about that.Because he used to read my magazines that I used to draw as a kid.
And all the stuff kind of ended up playing out for real, you know, or at least for a while there.I lived a very... I know I went through a lot of stuff with Owen, passing and Bulldog and a lot of sad tragedies in wrestling.
To be really honest, I'm very happy with what I got from wrestling.I got a lot of great memories and I had a lot of great times.I hope that anyone that does read my book appreciates that it's more about all the good stuff I did.
One of the other things about when you first became champion there in WWF was it was a transition because prior to you, it was a big man's game.
yeah that's what i was kind of saying earlier is i think that the wrestlers are today they didn't grow up watching you know um... dusty roads and they grew up watching hulk hogan and they grew up watching bret hart that's the way they wrestled that's the way they wrestled today i think you know the generation that uh... vince referred to it in that thing last week on raw that bret hart night that he mentioned it as sort of uh... the bret hart era but i i do think that we
You know, when I became champion, it wasn't about, I didn't have 24 inch arms.You know, I wasn't six foot eight and I didn't look like Warrior either.And I didn't look like, you know, even Macho Man was kind of different.
I was, I was the first sort of mid-sized guy to get sort of really, maybe Randy too.I think me and Randy were the first ones to really start making it about the wrestling.
and uh... you know i don't think people remember me that uh... at the time to like you know i got to rest stuck with the belt for the funny time in the business you know over the uh... that question on steroids and uh... first in your whole show put him in a funny light steroids became a big thing event that is trial of the thought he was selling steroids to the wrestlers and it was uh... sex things going on with the ring crew that became headlines and
business was in a kind of a bad slump.Hogan sort of jumped out and left everyone, abandoned the wrestling because he was going to do Hollywood.And there was those things like, where does wrestling go from here without Hulk Hogan?
I think, to be really honest, I was the first real This is the way wrestling is going to go without Hulk Hogan.It's going to go with Bret Hart and we're going to go into wrestling and we're going to go completely the other direction.
what makes the business so interesting.The machine never stops.Sometimes the parts fall off or sometimes the parts are replaced.I'm talking with Brett the Hitman Hart.The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be.
When I come back, we're going to go to Fan Questions and talk a little bit more with the one and only Brett Hart.
Welcome to the Steve Austin Show.
I was deep in conversation with the one and only Bret the Hitman Hart.A lot of you fans wrote in and asked questions.This entire last segment is going to be your questions, read by me, and answered by Bret.And we're going to start it off, Bret.
Are you back with me here?
Well, listen, let's start it off with this.All right, trim that out.Okay, Brett, during your time in Stampede Wrestling, who would you say was the most legitimately tough guy on the roster the whole time you were there?
And that's from Patty over in Liverpool.Patty in Liverpool sent that.
Well, there were a lot of legitimately tough wrestlers all the time.I mean, being tough isn't something you just go through a period.You know, it can be tougher, but I think
You know, my dad used to always say, um, you know, a lot of guys felt that Haku was one of the toughest guys in the dressing room.
I've always heard the name Haku.Everybody that has been around says Haku.Are you confirming that?
I'm just saying that my dad used to always say that, you know, I'll imitate him.He'd say, I'd like to see the guy that's going to take care of his Queen Cassidy's feet.
And I, you know, I think about it and I go undefeated sumo wrestler, undefeated amateur wrestler, undefeated in every kind of type of wrestling you can think of.Not too many guys pushing Earthquake around.
Yeah.Yeah.Earthquake, pretty tough guy, huh?
He was, he was super tough, man.I think, um, I don't have any doubt he would have been a gold medalist if he decided he wanted a gold medal. He was undefeated Canadian heavyweight champion.No one even touched him.No one could beat him.
If you ever look at him, he was a big guy.Big, fat, heavy guy.
He was built like a mastodon, though.He was big boned and heavy.
Look at his legs.They're like tree trunks, man.They're like those ones in Oregon that are big redwoods.They're like huge.There's nobody pushing him anywhere.
I don't even know if an elephant could push him too far.
well you know that the guy i would love to work with the most would be seen uh... i would love to wrestle them and it'll never had it could never happen you know just love everyone knows but it could never happen but it ideally you would have been a great uh... you know it's people appreciate this the bill in the heel character that i sort of became a ninety seven that bret hart the one who was bashing canada with the canadian flag and had the attitude bar that same character
agate jockeying uh... today would be a great uh... you get more from together that would have a great match i think i would have really um... i would have to great psychology great way to tell a story and uh... vetoes the great perfect hero to go against you know that hitman character from that era you know i would i would love to have done that and did say that it is sort of the same thing as uh... what happened to me and you know i think of one you know i work for you
that was the beauty of it that that you were the rest of us go through this change and uh... they started liking the the the bad asses and you know the guys like john cena started to get tired of cheering for the same old truth you know he had a number one babyface for the company kind of thing it's like you know what we're not buying this guy and we're not going to we're going to go with gates the grain of the it was a whole transition that's never been you know i don't think uh...
anyone could understand how hard it was.You never sometimes knew what you were going to have to go to certain towns.No matter how bad you get, they cheer for you and no matter how good you try to be, they boo you.
That whole period, how we sort of switched places.I always tell people, you want to understand great working and great psychology and two wrestlers appreciating the circumstances.
what what's happening in the business around them and how to sort of i think it's a really uh... such a great time i mean i i know we've talked a lot of times about that match but i really think there was some great art being made that's never been they'll never duplicate that art the artistry that came from that time period it was really uh... you know it's amazing because i know that in Survivor Series when we fought you and i we tried so hard to
make that the greatest match of all time like we really gave our all for that so when it was over like that we did everything we could do everything we could think of every move every bang every you know i thought we took it to the edge and then all of a sudden the way i remember when we got worked at wrestlemania 13 it was kind of last minute and kind of like okay we'll just slap bret hart and steve austin together again you know they got kind of a building thing going and it's like
yeah but we just worked a month ago kind of thing it's like well we're going to work again we're going to make it a no holds barred match and you know i remember at the time thinking no holds barred that takes out pinfalls that makes it even more boring and more harder we're not going to have the same you know and i remember thinking of the match i had with bob backwoods i quit match which i thought was my only really disaster match i ever had anyway so i i
I don't think anyone ever realized, I know I didn't, that that would be such a great match.I think going into it, I thought it was going to be awful hard to come up and try to duplicate whatever we had already done before.
Well, when you're talking about that match and us going back together so soon, I just injured my knee.I was in San Antonio.I was off.It was about two or three weeks before.
uh... wrestlemania thirteen and i was at home watching monday night raw when it when vince made the announcement that in a submission match in the semi main would be stone cold steve austin and bret the hitman hart i was watching tv i'm in a match i'd just found out about it the submission match totally pissed me off because you know i didn't have a whole arsenal of offensive moves anyway and i damn sure didn't have any submission moves maybe one
So I was petrified and mortified and pissed off.Of course, I hadn't been in the company really long enough for them to consult me or ask if it was okay if they booked me in a match, but I was hotter than a sunbitch.
And I don't want to talk too much about WrestleMania 13 or any of our matches because I want you to come back and I want to spend a total show on those because I want to discuss certain segments of time that people can go back and reference as we pick through those matches.
But your answer about John Cena and working with him, I totally see that.But also, I love the heel aspect of Bret the Hitman Hart from way back in that 86 match with Ricky Steamboat.And I think Steamboat had actually requested to work with you.
I don't know.Do you remember the match I'm talking about, though?The match that you're talking about was we got news that we were working at WrestleMania.Correct.And they booked us in Boston. and they booked us in Washington D.C.
to sort of get comfortable with each other, get familiar with each other.And so the match that you watched was the very first match we ever had.But that night in the dressing room before that match, they came in and said the match got scrubbed.
They told me I was in the Battle Royal now.
And that the Steamboat match was going to be Hercules and Steamboat, which in the end probably was better because Hercules ended up doing a match with him about 30 seconds long, which he dropped out to him and it wasn't even worth the trouble.
I would have hated doing that.
But if you go back, anybody on YouTube to watch this match, that was 1986, was that in Boston?
That was in Boston.You know, the beauty of that match is that we never worked with each other before.
Oh, that thing was a thing of beauty.It's seamless, it's so snug, and the timing is there.And that would have been Steamboat versus Bret Hart in Boston in 86.Catch that on YouTube.
And you kind of brushed upon the next question sent in from Marcy, and here it is.And since you brought up my name, what was it that you saw in Steve Austin that you knew you wanted to work with him and give him the rub he needed?
you know uh... without uh... you're going to a big long blow a lot of smoke up your ass kind of thing i mean the truth is i mean i remember going to vince and when you were studying steve and going why is this guy not here you know to vince we don't have any uh... vince officer we don't have anybody for you to work with i go why don't you get steve austin you know because i used to bring your name up a lot
and uh... and i used to bring up it was named a lot and there are certain guys in wcw that i used to bring up their names a bunch of these guys they're free now they're not working for me anymore and uh... vince would always think about it but you'd never see him bring them in and all of a sudden one day there was steve and it was like finally i even told steve that story when he first met them and asked him to bring you in for two years now and you know i was a big fan of steve's before we got to wwe and
I always tell people that tell me, they go, you made Steve Austin and all that kind of stuff, and so you know that's not true.
Without you, hmm, yeah, most likely.But that, you can't take that, you know, you just can't take that component out of my career.You were already the hit man.
You'd already established greatness and you would continue to go down the road that you did.You were already a made guy.Feuding with you and you handpicking me for that match in Madison Square Garden.
And I remember, I told this story with Sean when he first came on the show back in the day.
that we were in Houston, it was at the Houston Summit, I'd wrestled Shawn in about a mid-card match, and you had watched the match, and I remember you came up to me afterwards, and you said, hey man, that was a good match.
And you said, I'll work with you any day. And so you were a big part of helping make me.And some people, sometimes people don't understand the rub process.Certain things have to happen correctly during some time to get people over.
Guys don't get over just because they're over.It's a whole process of going through the process.So working with you was, you know, imperative for my career to end up the way it did.
And with the feuds and the storylines, I mean, you couldn't have scripted a better story from really start to finish of the stuff that we did.
I just remember a lot of the stuff.I think you used to sometimes say the odd comment about my dad. But old man Hardy down in his basement or whatever, if you say something about him, it would light up my dad so much he'd get a big smile on his face.
He would love it.We had such good promos, considering we were two guys that really got along pretty good.But our promos, I think whenever I watched them, I was really in my zone.We seemed to understand each other's characters perfectly.
always make each other's characters and keep pushing and pushing.When I look back to those days and promos I was doing with you, and yours in particular, you were ahead of your time.You were just getting familiar with where you were going.
I always tell people And this is true.Once I left WWE, I wasn't really a fan of wrestling so much.I tried not to watch the show.The only guy I watched was you.I always loved all the stuff you did.
Even with Vince, I'd shake my head and go, yeah, I love it.You know, damn.I was like the only character to me that really went back to my childhood of what a wrestling villain.
But I think there were even a couple of Bugs Bunny cartoons where they had a wrestler that looked a lot like what your gimmick was. You know, the muscle, the look, the whole thing.
You were always, we always had a good chemistry together in the ring, too.I do remember you working with Shawn all over the place in Texas, in little towns.
I don't even remember the names of some of them, but I do remember kind of peeking over like barn doors and stuff like that to watch you work and coming back and saying, yeah, I want to work with you sometime.
You know, and then whenever we did work, I think we always, um, what was where we worked?
Well, I know, um, I think that what I, what I did for you a lot of the time was, uh, I think you wouldn't, you know, if it's fair to me to say, I think when you first got to WWE or when you first got to start working with me, you were still a little, um, you kind of go on or I'll go out of, you'd spit out of control sometimes.
Like you get a little. You got going too fast, you'd end up somewhere you didn't know where you were in the match.And I think I was good at kind of teaching you to calm down, relax.It's not the whole match isn't screwed up.
We'll just go back to this part.Now we'll pick it up again.And I think I really taught you how to pace yourself better and just take your time.And I noticed that years later, it's like, yeah, you can tell.
how much you've improved, like from the time period when you first worked with me in Survivor Series, even when you worked with me in WrestleMania XIII, you know, the timing and the understanding of how we worked and, you know, really just the, that was just two guys mostly playing off instincts of each other's characters and it's like, I love how we started it, I love how we duked it out all the way through, I always think that is what, that's what this whole business is about, is what we did in that match is,
That's the greatest art of pro-wrestling that I can think of.
But, you know, when I go back and watch stuff and I'm just so hypercritical of anything that I see or do, and in picking apart the current product, I mean, you know, I don't mince words.It is what it is.And I'm just passionate about the business.
I was watching part of that match last night. You had hit me in the corner.I was hanging from the turnbuckle with both arms.
You spun me around, and that was when you started giving me those big haymakers, and I kicked you right in the balls, and you went down.
I started using the ropes to pull myself up, and the match continued, but when I was thinking, watching that last night, I was thinking, golly. You could have stayed down another 30 seconds.30 real seconds.
I could have, who I'm referring to, then started pulling up those ropes.And we had that crowd right in the palm of our hands.But that was just the greatest natural double down that could have happened, and it was.
And when I look back and nitpick it, I should have stayed down for 30 seconds.That's what I think.
you know i was told people are going to flood bulldog in wembley and it was like i were going through the whole match with davy and it was a long story about the match but i remember at the very end i told davy i said make sure you when uh... when we get up at the end i said i'm not going to shake your hand i'm going to make like i'm a poor sport i'm going to keep making out i'm going to leave but just keep giving me that just keep staring at me like come on you're my brother-in-law
you know uh... come on you're good you know but but the church where i'm off of my hand to keep keep looking at me the big puppy dog i cannot just keep it like i'm only going to talk to you know i mean i told him we'll have that place we could have that place i'll have that eighty two thousand ready to start crying if we do it right and you know what i remember it's a little thing but there are a lot of matching or you can i could get david looking in the eye every time he did he turned to try to work the crowd
and i kept saying you idiot in the dramas with me right with me look at me don't look at the crowd don't look at diana don't and he kept and i remember i finally you see me i just finally throw my hands up and i just walk over and i hugged him because we was all it was like he didn't get he forgot right never did get it and it's like one of those things that i can just tell you what it'd be when you watch that show back and much greater that matches it's the little details and uh...
you know another thing that i do remember is when uh... when you and i worked and we we always um... always had good chemistry we always felt we got along very good in the ring and uh... you know i don't think that uh... i don't think we ever didn't have good chemistry in the ring even on that dvd that just came out they had me and you working in uh... south africa
I don't know if you've seen that back in a while.
We're always dead serious in the ring and and for the first few years when I was in the business I mean, I didn't think you could smile.
I didn't think you were supposed to have fun I just thought you were supposed to wrestle and me in a competitive environment Man, I have killer instinct.I'm just out there to compete
Well, hello, finally I learned how to relax a little bit and to loosen up a little bit and have fun out there.And when you're having fun, the people are having a good time.
And it doesn't matter how serious the angle is, it's just you being you and in the moment, whether you're heel or baby face.Doesn't mean you have to smile, you're just having fun.
And so I was out there playing a little bit of Gaga that night, and I was trying to get, who was the referee in that match?I said, I bet I can get Brett to crack. And that's when I started flapping my wings like a chicken.
And you barely laughed, and you always used the back of your hand and your hair to cover up your smile.And I almost busted you.Do you remember that?
I do remember a match with me.I do sort of remember that.And I remember, maybe it was the same week or same day.I think it was a three-day trip.I remember Olin being in a match with, and maybe you were in it, maybe you weren't, but I remember
whoever was there with me he was all uh... hijinks he was pretending to smoke while he had guys in head scissors he was pulling all his all his shtick out all his funny little gags where he's taking the funny bumps and he'd call high spots that were impossible to do and i just remember i remember laughing on the apron so hard i think the hardest i've ever laughed in a ring was in that match and uh...
You know, it's not very often that you can, you get a chance to, like you said, to laugh every now and then.
But, you know, I remember with Kurt Hennig, I always had a spot where he'd call out some kind of a duck the elbow, cross body, and then he'd kick out and I'd roll under the rope and we'd go into a big series of high spots after that.
But I remember the first time we did it, I dived a little early and he was a little too far back.
you know anyway and i end up kind of hit the road the shoelaces with a big cross-body you know we both started laughing it was like you know i think the match turned out to be not not one of our best that's what i think that was the very first time we worked and we always laughed about doing that spot so that every time we did work we did it like that anyway and they were always kick out he'd kick out and i'd be laughing my head off under the bottom rope and i come up and i hit him with a tackle and i go through these
All these high spots, he's bumping and taking arm drags, and I'm coming up and hip tossing him, and it was a lot of complicated stuff, and I'm laughing all the way through it, so I took him over to the headlock, and I'm lying there, panting in the ring, just catching my breath, and we'd both be just laughing our heads off.
You know, it was fun out there sometimes.It wasn't always what people think it is.
Hey, confirm this story for me.We're gonna wrap this thing up after this story.
I always heard a story, I think it was before I came into company, and everybody knew, and we'll cover this in more detail next time you're on the show, but Owen used to pull ribs on everybody, and he kept the whole crew laughing, whether you were in the ring, and he could also have a great match in the ring, but when it was time for a little bit of ha-ha, he was that guy, and through the airports, on the road, everybody laughed with Owen.
But one time, I guess it was like a battle royal situation, you guys were overseas, I want to say it was India, and somehow Owen snuck a bunch of tuna fish into the ring, and while you were on the mat, stuck the tuna fish in your mouth and had you in a camel clutch.
Yeah, I think that is a true story.
I can't remember.I think it was a little more subtle than that. I can't remember but for some reason I'm thinking it was true.
Well I think the best one was the one with my dad and Reg Park.
you know uh... happened rich park uh... used to russell used to use one of the first has to make uh... championship wrestling belt to give a lot of history on rich parks and really nice ones really nice he was a standard bodybuilder who had a really good body he had a really good physique and was a you know fairly respected bodybuilder before he got into wrestling you know he took good care of his body always was a good athlete and stuff like that pretty mild kind of timid guy but not a shooter or anything like that and uh...
Owen could disguise his voice just because if you met Reg and Owen Owen met him a couple of times they went through Phoenix and stuff where he lived in Phoenix.Yeah.
You know, Stu Newland loved him and he every once in a while he'd come up and visit Calgary because Phoenix is kind of Calgary's sort of twins or whatever.
You know, Reg would come up all the time and say hi at different times of the year and, you know, pass him through.So we kind of knew him, you know, a little bit, knew that he worked for my dad and knew who he was.
I remember WrestleMania 4, I think, in New Jersey or something.I brought my dad down, and he was in a big suite with me and one of my kids in the room.He had a big, long nightshirt on.He was having a great time.
It was his first WrestleMania, and he was meeting different guys and wrestlers.And Owen decided to call him.It was first thing in the morning, and we were just getting up and having breakfast and stuff like that, and my dad's in his nightshirt.
decided he was going to call my dad up from the lobby of the hotel and pretend he's Reg Park.He called up and I answered the phone because it was my room and he fooled me.He said, ìWho is this?î I said, ìIt's Reg Park.
Let me talk to your father or something like that.î He did sound just like Reg Park.I handed the phone to my dad and I said, ìIt's Reg Park.î And my dad gets on this like, he's, how the hell are you Reg?And Reg, how are you?
You know, they're laughing and no one's kind of playing along with it.And they're having a couple of good chat, chatting away just like the real Reg would.And then all of a sudden, no one just turns on my dad.
But Stu, he never had the guts to, he never had the balls to try me or something.That was what it was.He never had the balls to try me.And he kept saying it to Stu and calling Stu, calling Stu out on the phone and calling,
that he wanted one of us two to fight him in the lobby of a hotel.I just remember seeing my dad's face while he was holding the phone.First it was like, how the hell are you Reg?
And I'll add in a minute later, Reg, if you wanted to try me, why didn't you try me?And I remember he got so worked up.I remember Owen kept taking it further and further and further. until it got hysterical and he couldn't take it anymore.
And my dad kept getting more and more wound up until I was actually like, I think I might have to step in and take the phone from him.
And all of a sudden, my dad, I remember he slammed the phone down on the bed, sat on the bed in his nightshirt and he was just shaking his head and he looked at me and he goes, that lousy Owen, he got me.
No one finally just said, it's me, Owen, I'm pulling your leg.And it was, you know, it really was the funniest I think that he ever did.He got my dad. big time.
All right, spent an hour and a half talking to Bret the Hitman Hart.Bret, will you come back and join me on a future edition of the show because we've got so much more to talk about.
I want to go into specifics about several of the pay-per-view matches we had.We touched on them briefly, teased a little bit, but break them down in details and nitpick them.
Steve, I'd love to come back.It'd be great to chat.We hardly even get started.Seems like we've talked for about 15 minutes.
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