Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Misty Music Podcast with me, Lucy, and David.
Like how fake this is where we've been talking for the last 40 minutes or whatever and then we just pretend we're saying hello each other.
I know, it doesn't even sound like me or anything like that when I'm like this is Lucy.So yeah, we're back after a wee bit of a break as we were just blethering about there.
I think it's been about six weeks or something since we recorded the last one.
I think we said we were going to try and make it a fortnight last time or something.
And we've been getting worse.And we're getting worse.
But do you know what, I was thinking about this and I'm thinking, do you know what, you'll get an episode when we're ready.So if anyone's sitting there listening and going, when's that new episode?Well, it'll arrive when it's ready.
And it'll be a fab surprise when it does.
Exactly, exactly.So there's too much of, you know, less is more.
I like that, we'll go with that.Yeah, so last time I gave you New Young Pony Club's The Optimist to listen to.
That's right, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
yeah and you were just saying that you kind of went on and listened to their next album which is always good yeah because we were we were blathering about that i think in the last episode like where do you have you like have we kept some of them up or have you not or it's difficult because i mean you you know you can really love a band love an album know that but you don't bother to
It's not that you don't bother, you've just got so much music to listen to and things to do and you forget and everything else.
Absolutely, and then you suggested this week's album which is Live In Colour In Stain which I was telling you I knew nothing about.Nothing about, yeah.I know you were going to mention about, I think we've got a couple tweets.
We did, well Kev, as usual.So on the basis of the New Young Pony Club episode, he said, brilliant episode again folks, was in the exact same boat as David, 30 seconds into the first song my knee jerk reaction was, oh this isn't for me.
But once I found the bassline, I enjoyed the album.Further listening required. He also went on to say, I love how often this podcast takes me out of my comfort zone but does it gently.I'm skittish around new music.
I've ended up buying 3 LPs I'd never have known about and have 3 more on my to buy list because of it.So that's like 6 albums that Kev's got or gonna get as a result of it. as a result of the podcast so that's pretty good.
Which is good because how many times are you told oh you'll love this, I'm told Lucy you'll love this, you'll love this TV series, you'll love this and I'm like ah nah maybe or whatever and there's only a few people I'll maybe kind of take
actual advice from me.So it's good yeah but this is obviously the point of what we're doing is to try and share it.
I mean I don't think, I mean and I think the thing is we'll maybe have ideas about what each other might like.
But it's not to say that I would never say, I think you're going to love this, Lucy, because I just would never know.Do you know what I mean?I would say, I tell my ideas, maybe she'll be into this, but equally she might not like it because of this.
And so I've always got that, anything I suggest.So I've kind of got two versions of you in my head, you know, of what you could think of the album.
So I'm very, very reluctant to say you'll love this album or that you'll feel this about this album, because I just, I'm still never really sure. You know, and I think that's part of the appeal I think.And we get more donations as well!Yes!
But remember I said in the last episode, I said that we spent the money on booze and pizza or whatever it was, or burgers or whatever it was. So we couldn't afford Zoom.
But what he said is, I insist that not one penny of this is used for Zoom subscriptions.It's intended for booze and chips only.So there you go.
And it will get used well, thank you.
It will.And we got another donation from Dan.Now Dan's my friend, but he's a listener to the pot, he listens to every episode and looks forward to every episode.
So Dan is a touring musician, he plays for that Easy Listening Combo, Cradle of Filth, so he tours the world with them.So I think he, you know, probably, I think he's in Australia, no he's back home.
He was out touring Australia last week, I think, you know, or the week before, so he's back home. What he said was, I heard a dance version of a Carole King song on a joiners radio today.
And if it wasn't for the podcast introducing me to Tapestry, I wouldn't have realised how badly they fucked a great tune.
Wow!I wonder what it was because I want to hear it now.
And if your tacky dad's up there with us.But we would like to say seriously though, thanks for broadening my horizons.
That's good.I like that.Broadening cradle of filth.Base player's horizon.Base player's horizon, yeah.
Dan also plays in a band with myself, you know, and he's a good guy.He's from Orkney.He's from the Orkney Hills.
Wow.Is he small?Is he small in stature?Because I've heard people from up in Orkney are small to withstand the wind.They're all short. Is that bullshit?
Yeah, I think I can vouch for that being utter bullshit for the fact that Dan's about six foot one, something like that maybe, or at least six foot anyway, and all of his friends from Orkney that he's introduced me are like fucking big massive people, so they're all huge.
I mean I'm a wee guy, I'm a wee, so it doesn't take much for people to tower over me, but No, these are big, big dudes.They're big boys, as they say.Alright boy.So it's B-E-U-I, as I'm told.So the way people say, alright mate, he'll go, alright bye.
That's what they say.Right, I like that.
This has gone nowhere, clearly. It was me.Anyway, thanks to everybody for the comments, Dan, Kev and anybody out there else.
And the thing is, the thing is about podcasts and because I think I've said this in another podcast I was doing, is that it's great when people engage and we want that, we want to hear people, what people have got to say, but I know there'll be one or two people out there, they've got things they think about the podcast, it might be good.
but they don't say it.They don't email us, they don't comment.But to those people, thanks.You know what I mean?Because not everybody wants to speak to the world and... Do you know what I mean?
They might want to just listen and go, that was a really good episode but I'm not going to get in contact with anybody to tell them and that's fine.
That's fine.And even if it's shite, if it's bad, tell me.Tell us if you want to.
I don't.I just go that was shite.I'll wait till the next episode and it might be better.So thanks to everybody for listening, I guess is ultimately what I'm trying to say.If you're listening, don't contact.It's still good.
So will we fire on to live in colour?Yeah, why not?Yeah. The album, Stain, released in March 1993.Yeah, I enjoyed doing a wee bit of digging on them because there was a bit of information on them so it was good to do a wee bit of digging on this.
This was all new to me.Formed in 1984, New York.I was asking you that, where they were from, because I had no clue. In the band we've got Corey Glover, who does the vocals.Vernon Reid, who does the guitars and guitar synthesizers.
Doug Wimb... is it Wimbish?
Wimbish, who does the... it was written in bass and ambience.
Ah, he's a quite, you'll probably hear it on the album and whether you were aware it's bass you ever hear him, you probably not, but he uses like a pitch shifter quite a lot so we'll have noise like kind of they'll make or he's weird kind of with his bass and he's really quite yeah crazy with his bass playing so that's maybe the ambience.
You're a bass player that uses a couple of pedals mate you know.
If it was just ambience I feel like I could be on every album just creating a bit of ambience.Yeah and then Will, this is my bad writing, is it Callum?
On the drums, on the drums, sorry.
Well Calhoun on the drums.
Drums Calhoun.That was good, I liked that.So yeah, this was our third studio album.Yep.And I actually enjoyed reading a wee bit of where it positioned in the charts.So, what was it, 19 in the UK album charts and 26 in the Billboard charts.
But it's when it was getting into all the European countries that I was enjoying.So it did the best in the Finnish album charts at number seven and the Dutch album charts which always gives me a wee laugh because
I just feel like sometimes the European scene and music scene it's interesting eh?
You know what I mean?I totally, aye.Because I think 26, I think that was the lowest.I think the previous two albums were higher up in the Billboard charts, I think.So I think this was charted lower.
Yeah because what I was getting is this is a wee bit, this was a bit of an oddball album after the first two.
yeah yeah no no definitely um i think um they were always a band that that i mean if you if you look at their videos from the first two albums the way they dressed even they didn't in many ways there was probably more light and shade in those albums the previous two um more hope certainly and
But there was, there was, you know, there was, there was, you know, harsh stuff on there as well, you know, and critical stuff and political stuff and all the rest of it.But, you know, there was a bit more going on.
I mean, one of their songs off the first album was in Three Men and a Little Baby, for example, yeah.
So, so one of their songs was in that, you know, it gives you the kind of, you know, it's a wee kind of, it's quite a kind of reggae african kind of rhythm to it and stuff you know and it's it's quite quite light and but it's a great tune.
Glamour Boys, actually Mick Jagger produced it there you go so.
I actually watched that one.
When I fired up the YouTube and then it was all the… I was obviously looking for the ones on this album but there was a couple that there's stills on YouTube.I was like, I have to click on this, I have to click on it just to see.
And especially when I was… when I picked up that it was… this was… seemed to be going away from what the… or this was a bit different.To see where they came from kind of thing.Yeah, just to see what it was.So I like that.
So I… so yeah, that was… So you're right, this is a darker album, it's a more cynical album, it's a more angry album, all the rest of it.And I think...
I had even a quote here that I kind of took down that Corey had said that says I don't know if jaded is the word but we were sort of worn out by the world that we lived in and just reflecting how worn out we were getting.
I think it holds up talking about the album of course if you want to hear some really good hard rock closer to metal in parts of our existence I think Stain is the record that has the most of that I would totally agree with that it's um yeah absolutely there was metal on the previous albums but
it wasn't all metal, you know what I mean?And not that this is all metal, but it's very, you know, the bulk of it is, I would say.But, you know, you had, yeah, lots of different styles, kind of.A lot of soul on the previous ones as well, you know.
But there's a lot of soul on this as well, of course.But yeah, it was maybe a bit more hopeful.But the one thing, the one thing that maybe, I don't know, it's,
some of the reviews even looking back and and and I was reading reading up I was kind of trying to kind of update myself on on because there was a lot of articles contemporary articles about the album looking back and saying this was this was maybe missed out this is this is actually people should relisten to this album that kind of thing um but I was thinking you know because I was trying to find even old reviews and like Kerrang!
and Metal Hammer and these these things and I couldn't find them online I just I was just really curious to see what they were saying about the album at the time
but there was one review and I wish I'd taken it down but it was they were kind of criticizing what happened to this kind of joyful band or whatever the phrase was I'm paraphrasing but that you know that I used to listen to and you know and I thought well it's who knows but it was almost seen borderline racist the reason I would say that is because
A lot of white people like their black people happy and they don't like angry black people.They don't like black people that have something to say.So they'll say, what happened to the band that didn't make me feel uncomfortable?
Do you know what I mean?And come up with concepts and opinions that don't jive with them.But again, that's just an observation from myself personally.Is there a bit of that underlying?
I get that because I've seen something similar and just when you've said that about like the Young Fathers and that.
You know, where it is, I'm with you, you know, the band from Edinburgh and there's a guy that kind of plays with them that I like a lot called Al Calamista and he plays with them so I've been kind of, I was tuned in when they were playing Glass and Brain and stuff like that and it's, I get that, I get that.
There is a, there is an uncomfortableness isn't there?
especially that time i mean i'm not saying that much has changed now you know that's 30 years later you know because world is still shit you know but um but you know i just wonder if there's a bit of that underlying you know because the it's not as say the pre like i say the previous two albums they you know there was a but i can i like
know there was there would be samples from Malcolm X and things like that and some of the tunes and things like that so yeah absolutely you know so they were saying these things but it was it was wasn't quite as yeah like you know relentless as the way it is on this album um and know that this album is talking about white america and how bad it is it's not you know there's nods to that but it's not but i just think you know you know there's certain certain pockets of white people don't like angry black people you know and and it just felt a wee bit like that you know um but again
the flip side of that I can see why a reviewer might say yeah there's not a lot of fun in this because there isn't.
There's moments of a wee respite on the album but it's pretty, it's pretty, almost to the point where I listened to it back after saying it to you.I was like I don't know now.
I don't know if I should have gave this to Lucy actually, but yeah, but here we are I suppose.
Is this how you got onto the band?Was it through this album?
No, no it wasn't. I often think when I speak out loud and I say how young I was when I got into bands and the type of music I'm into, it sounds ridiculous.
It sounds like I'm making it up or I've fused years together but just having two older brothers who were listening to this kind of music.
So no, it was actually the first album, I was about 10 years old when I was hearing Cult of Personality which was their first big single and we'd watched that on the Power Hour which was
um this um metal show that was on at like half two in the morning you had to set the timer to record it because you know because that was that just keep the metal stuff away like off the mainstream and keep it buried away in the you know the dark depths of you know so i i that's when i kind of saw their stuff and that's when i get into them um but probably it wasn't probably to like run about this album that i really really became like you know my my fandom kind of solidified a wee bit you know
about this time, although this album, it probably took me a wee, about six months later before I really got into it and it really started making sense, it wasn't immediate.And that's maybe something to do with the difference in style, could be.
Could be that light and shade I was talking about.So there you go, maybe I'm a racist, you know.
what happened to my band you know but you know it took you know because even the lead single leave it alone i was like it's not a bad groove but it's no it's no um you know it's no color personality it's no pride you know the previous singles that were really good and um you know but but then again again it just kind of clicked with me you know and the band overall just they could quite possibly be in
my top 20 bands, you know, Love and Colour, maybe 30, you know, because you always forget how many bands you like, you know, you think, oh, they'll be my top, now you name one of the bands you like, you go, oh, maybe not, you know, so, but they're definitely up there, you know.
Yeah, when, I mean, when you gave me this, obviously, I knew nothing about it, didn't recognise anything, when you said when I pulled up it on, to play it on Spotify, I didn't recognise the album cover, which is pretty cool, by the way.
Yeah, the Scald's Bridal they call it.So this was used in slavery a lot.So if they wanted to punish the slaves they would have them wear these things.
Sometimes they would actually go in their tongues as well so they actually couldn't speak and things like that.So that's where the… Yeah, I mean it just looks like a torture thing.
Yeah, I do like that. And it's pretty dark, the album's cover's pretty dark, isn't it?It's nearly black, kind of greeny, whatever, right dark on it.
So the first time I listened to it, I was in my car and I was sitting and I'm like, right, I'm going to fire this on.I wasn't driving at the time, so I'm like, I'm going to fire this on.
And honestly, this is probably the first album that I've had an instant reaction to.
I fired it on and it wasn't obvious to me at the time but I fired it on and I was banging my head to it, I'm like fucking feeling it and I was like I need more anger in my life because this is fucking angry and I was like
But I don't have these, normally if I'm listening to angry music it's a lot more covered or cloaked.
Yeah, it's angry in a different way.It's not obvious.
It's not an awareness to it.So I'm fine on the first first track or what, and I kind of go into it and the first couple tracks and I'm like, God, this is good, man.And I got it straight away, I thought.Excellent.
And then, and then after that, I mean, I mean, I was picking up even on some, I mean, a lot, it's really catchy.So I was picking up on even the first song, Go Away, I was picking up on Bye and Mind your own business.
I was picking up all the, I think, what I was supposed to be picking up, you know, and then I never listened to it for ages.Because I was like, because it's so not what I would normally listen to.
And even though I know I enjoyed it, I know I had the big reaction to it, I was like, ah, but it's not the time, I'm not feeling like that, I'm not angry like that, I'm whatever, eh?
But I've went back to it, there's bits I really like about it, there's bits that I really struggle with, with it.And I think it was just if it was slightly dressed up a different way, I probably wouldn't have too much an issue with it.
But I mean it's a very strange album to me. Because to me, it's really angry.It's really aggressive.There's political points to it.There's societal points to it.
I know that you were saying they've got something to say and they've got lyrics and stuff, but it's sold or it's wrapped up a bit prettier.
And it's in the music, it's in bits of the music that kind of, I'm not going to say makes it more palatable because it's not that, but that sells it to me.There's bits that kind of just make it a lot nicer to me, easier for me.
So yeah, it's been a good album to listen to, eh?
I've enjoyed it.It was one of those ones.I think, as I said, I mean, to me this is a metal album.Are Live In Colour a metal band?
They're not overtly a metal band, no they aren't, because, you know, they've got lots of different things going on, as I said, but they can and do play metal and this is probably, you know, as a Corey Glover quote there says, this is, you know, it's probably the most metal thing we've done.
certainly to that point anyway.
But I think you know you, I think you said something a while back I mean about that you know that sophisticated kind of anger and sophisticated aggression kind of thing you know that or maybe it wasn't a quote but something along those lines you'd mentioned and this is kind of to me similar.
It is angry but it's not just I'm going to smash your face in, you know, it's just, you know, that, you know, lame shit, you know, and talking about how hard you are and all that kind of stuff.
It's, it's, it's aggressive because they're pissed off and they're pissed off because for good reason.It's not just, you know, throw away shit, you know.
Yeah, and it's not indulgent at all.It's not like, why me?It's nothing like that.
I mean, if me sitting in my car in like Central Scotland can be like, fuck yeah, like I was ready.I was like, like pumped up after listening to it the first time.Honestly, it was like that first kind of instant reaction.It was like, I'm loving that.
I love that music can have that.
Aye, that affected me.Like 20, 25 years after, you know what I mean?Or whatever it is.No, would it be 30?30 years, isn't it?Aye, 31 years ago, aye.Jeez. Aye, so it's incredible, eh?I'm sorry.
I was 14 when I started, Jesus.
I'll now tell you how old I was.Aye, so, aye, I mean, even the album tracklist, so we've got Go Away, Ignorance is bliss, leave it alone, bye, mind your own business, I'm gonna say this wrong, my German wrong, is it Auschlander?
Auschlander.Yeah.Never satisfied, nothingness, postman, WTTF?
Oh, WTF is it, aye.I can't remember what it stands for but I think it's swearing and that sort of thing.
I did Google it, I think it's what the fuck factor.
What the fuck factor?Yeah, okay.
I think so.This little pig, hemp, wool and then the sheet to beat.
No, wool's the last one.I should have saved you.
Right, okay.I should have saved you.
Because I know Spotify does this and it's hard to tell when the album finishes.
It was my take on it was it doesn't matter if I've listened to a couple extra songs it's not going to matter too much.So did it just stop at Wall were they added on?
Yeah so Wall's the last song in the album and everything else is additional.
So then, it finishes with Wal there and I've went on and listened to a couple of extra ones called TV News and Love.It was a live version, wasn't it?Oh, Love Reels It's Ugly Head, yeah.Love Reels It's Ugly Head, yes.
So yeah, I mean it even sounds pretty angry, eh?With the title tracks.The titles, yeah, yeah, absolutely.So yeah, do you want to fire into them?
Well aye, I mean go away, it's no subtle when it opens, it's just right in there, there's no easing in, it just kind of bludgeons you the riff as it opens and then as the drum and bass kick in it's just got that groove to it.
But I think through this whole album there's tons of groove in it, although it's kind of It's kind of as you say, you're not on your head, there's something that makes you want to move in a lot of these songs, you know?
And, you know, the bass on it's so unorthodox, as I kind of said before, I dumped Doug Wimberjee's playing, it's all this... just constantly all the way through it.
It's not just, you know, locking down the riff, you know, it's doing its own thing all the time.
and uh you know the subject matter it's just I think um it was uh Will Kilhoun that wrote the lyrics the drummer um who writes quite a lot the the music and the lyrics as well he was kind of you know he was talking about it's almost like a reaction to be being bombarded with uh you know with causes and stuff and it can almost have a negative effect so a negative effect to go I just don't care anymore I'll just go away you know basically here's here's my money just
You know, I feel guilty, here's my money, I want my guilty conscience to go away, blah, blah, blah, you know?
But you're kind of almost not even engaging anymore, you're not engaging in things that actually matter because you just don't know what to think anymore, you know?
Because everybody's got a cause at that point and you almost don't know what to hang on to, you know?
So you're just putting £10 in an envelope or whatever it is, you know, just to, you know, and the lyric goes, obviously I send my $20 to Live Aid and pay my guilty conscience to go away, you know, or pay my guilty conscience to go away, sorry.
So yeah, so the subject matter is kind of, yeah, just pissed off.And even the line, I don't want anyone to touch me, I think everyone has AIDS.
the paranoia bit in it and all that as well and you know and even like it's really nasty I mean what's the point in caring for you if you're gonna die anyway you know so it's quite quite bitter quite kind of nasty sounding but that's not them saying that it's obviously in the mind of someone who would kind of be that kind of dismissive of these things you know and but
The thing is, and the lead guitar in the song as well, it's never subtle with Vernon Reid.
Never subtle, it's always full on.No, that's a lie, I mean it is a gain, he can take it down and it can be really smooth and he's a jazz player really ultimately and he can really play slowly but he just doesn't on this much at all.
And I'm going to guess that's probably a lot where he struggled.
the lead guitar on this is kind of, it's a bit of a struggle for me sometimes and sometimes like I suppose what will be like the kind of heavy metal chords and things like that, that is a bit
if it was a bit different this album would be like top-notch for me.There's just a bit that's... When it burns into the metal too much it's kind of takes you away.
And I know you're saying it's mostly metal and there's lots of I suppose that I can find more palatable or what easier for me but I mean this song it's
there's quite a fam- there's a familiarity to it, whether it's because I love a lot of 90s bands and a lot of 90s albums and that as well and maybe if it's just something kind of off the time that- not that it's really dated or anything like that but it's- there's a familiar- familiarity to me with it and I was surprised it wasn't- I was trying to kind of work out which ones were singles and that and I think- I think there was only three singles off the album
and this isn't one of them and I was kind of surprised when I seen that because it sounds like a single for me.That's interesting.
I mean it's a strange one because yeah it is in your face, it does start off in your face but the kind of irony and all that that's just laced throughout this album and I mean
I'm not sure it's supposed to be funny but there is some bits it's funny to me man because it's like it's so just pointing out the flaming obvious and that like just like you were saying that you know the sending the 20 dollars to live aid and your conscience will go away and
Oh even, you know, it makes me think of all these, well the line is, I see the starving Africans on TV and I feel it's got nothing to do with me.
And you know, I'm thinking all these things, all these lines that you're getting told, you get told that they don't mean anything to you.
Like I know the kind of classic ones, you know, there's people starving and you're not eating your dinner or what.You're not, that doesn't, there's no connection really. And it is all that you're supposed to feel bad about this and I don't.
Yeah, that's it.So it's quite comical a bit to me.
Not as in… No, I know exactly what you're saying.
It's completely cynical, you know.
Yeah, and it points out the kind of the flaws in folk or what, eh?But I love the faster bass on that.I mean, we'll probably speak about that, but it's somehow it's wild and it's wild on this one, eh?
And then there's like, this is the one just when you were mentioning like the solo guitar, you know, this is, you know, there's like hit the heavy chords and then it goes into this kind of Kind of wild solo in this.
I struggle a bit with some of it, eh?Yeah, yeah.But yeah, I mean it sets you up for the full album.This is, you know what?
Aye, aye.It doesn't really let up much after this.There are moments, aye, absolutely.But yeah, it doesn't really let up after this.
Yeah, and then it fires right on Ignorance is Blessed.
Which in many ways is a similar theme to Go Away.It's very similar lyrically as well.
you know all the world's problems ain't my fault and you know that kind of thing but even you know famine you know thoughts of war mean matter less than the dress you wore you know just like you know it's just you know I just don't give a fuck you know.
Yeah and I think that's possibly what I like about this that about this more and I can see, when I was listening to it, there's some particular tracks where I think, oh, this is what I think David will like about them.I get this.
But there is a bit of a femininity about some of the lyrics and some of the sounds and stuff like that.
and even in this one you know it's got that it's I mean a lot of it's funky ain't it a lot of the funky kind of rhythms and I mean obviously that's that's a lot of the I mean Doug Wimbish played even with Sugarhill gang and all that and kind of you know way back in the early 80s and stuff and things like that so they've got that kind of pedigree and even the
I mean they're a bit into Sly and the Family Stone but they're a bit into Black Sabbath as well and things like that you know so it's just all these… You get that where it is a bit of a mishmash and you can get the kind of… I mean I think I was watching… I was watching a YouTube like one of the… on one of the guitar pages about
I can't remember about all the riffs and kind of influences and stuff like that and it was, it was like Jackson 5.
It was like all, it was like a right mishmash of chic and whatever, so I'm like, oh I can definitely hear all that, but then obviously there's the kind of metal side of it.But again, like you were saying,
very cynical and that kind of constant like cymbals or hi-hats are what kind of opens it up a wee bit more on this one.But it's got a right heavy riff intro, ain't it?
Aye, aye.But it's got that kind of... It's got that funky kind of wee riff, you know, going on, you know, and
But even the kind of like the, you know, the ignorance in our own relationships as well, you know, problem solved with just one kiss and you just pretend it's all back to normal and you know there's still shit unresolved and all that, you know, hence Ignorance is Bliss, you know, you just become ignorant to the actual shit that you, you know, that's really going on sometimes, you know, and you just keep the peace, you'll just
you just kind of remain kind of like, let's just pretend it's not happening and just move on, you know?Just for an easy life, you know?Because obviously ignorance can manifest itself in so many different ways, you know what I mean?
And sometimes it's even relationships as well, which I like.But I think there is, I think the whole femininity thing you're talking about, yeah, I do agree with that.I think there's elements of that in the album, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it's not just macho aggression.No, no, no.
And then with Corey's voice, I mean, Corey's, you know, he's a soulful singer, you know, he can bring the grit and aggression when he needs to, you know, but he's, you know, that's the thing that sticks out about them, you know, they're full black guys, you know, making occasionally metal songs, but
do it in their own way and when somebody like Corey is singing over the top of it, it just takes it to a different place that other metal bands just can't and don't.
And that was the thing about them, I mean a hard rock, let's say overall, if you just call them hard rock right,
band coming out of that time and and there was there was no many about there really wasn't um these days actually there's quite a reasonable amount of black metal artists out there now you know i don't mean black metal the genre you know yeah people that are black and play metal bands you know but you know that it's more common these days you know but back then it was you know there wasn't a lot there was like a handful certainly bands that they were well
I say that, but bands that were actually getting picked up, you know, and they were won obviously because they get signed to a major record label and things like that.
So that's again, this is why, I mean, Live In Colour, one of the reasons, you know, they're another example of we as a young star, you know, when I listened to metal, it wasn't just the fucking blood and thunder and, you know,
heavy metal that was there as well but I had this kind of stuff as well which took me in different areas and you know so although metal you know people think of metal and they'll have a thing in their head and this isn't the only example there's there's many examples I could point to but
you know there's a lot of dumb shit but there's a lot of really well thought out shit as well, do you know what I mean?
And it's like any genre, you're gonna get the shit and you get the good stuff you know and you get the stuff that's guilty pleasures and all that you know and you know it's just the way it is but but no these guys were on a different level I thought you know for that kind of stuff and um but I think there's some bliss, it's bliss itself um I think it's just a I just think it's a great groove to it and uh again just love the way Corey sings on it so
catchy again as well eh?Because I actually really struggled, one of the things that I struggled with with the album was remembering the music.
I actually thought you might as well because I mean it's riff-a-rama you know, so it's like what riff is this?So it's not like, again
you know probably if i'd given you the first album or even in the second album second one's very long though there's a lot of songs on it i think i'm about 14 or something um
you know you might have found it easier to to say that's that one that's that one that's that one you know so in hindsight should i've maybe offered one of them maybe but you know i mean but i get it i do get it because i think for someone that's not good this is the right you know one of the the genres they listen to a lot they'll be like was it that riff or was it that riff that started it yeah yeah it was hard it was hard um
like the first like say five lessons.So I was listening to it to go.I could remember the lyrics.I could remember the tune, but I could not remember the intro or which normally you would be able to.I would be able to.
or kind of easier pop, rock, whatever I was listening to be able to remember guitar bits or what, but with this album I just couldn't for a while.Just because I'm not tuned into that style at all.
Yeah, and these definitely, the first two ones are kind of good examples of that, just not being able to pick out what that solo does. Yeah and then it fires on leave it alone.
This is where the first bit where there's like the wee kind of monologue starts isn't it?Where there's somebody talking.
Yeah words are very important but don't take them too seriously.
Which I like, I like that in the album.I'm sure with this one a single
Yeah it was, it was the first single off that one.
Because I know I watched a few of the videos as well and this was one of them that had a video to it eh?I mean really smooth, really catchy.
Even the guitar solo tone is much easier on this one.
It's a bit more lusher, I don't know, it was with the harmonies that come in in it as well.And it's one that I don't know if it was a hit, but it feels like it should've been.
I think it was.I don't know whether it's even charted in the UK but probably top 20 because most of our singles did hit the top 20.So I'd guess probably our Thereabouts anyway.I remember they performed it on The Word, remember the 90s show The Word?
Do you know anything about The Word?
No, I don't.I don't remember.I'm so sorry.
And I don't even think I can, I've seen folk play and what not.
You should, you should in fact because there'll be bands and artists that you like that will probably play the word, play on the word.So this was a channel for a Friday night show, it was like a magazine show so it was like
um and it was just i mean probably looking back and now it was fucking awful but at the time you were young and you thought it was the shit you know and um it was people doing outlandish stuff and it was all like studenty and all that you know it was it was one of these type of shows you know um but always had good guests i have to say a good guests and good bands you know that was the one one good thing about it so they performed on that but i leave it alone but like i said at the start i kind of
It took a wee while, I thought it was a wee bit basic, you know, it was kind of a bit, oh right, okay, I don't know, the groove didn't just get to me right away but eventually I did, I did get into it but whereas the other stuff had hit, the other singles had hit me.
quicker you know but no you're right it is catchy and especially the middle eight I think the middle eight's lovely you know we always talk about peace but it's pieces that we find that but you know that's a really really cool cool I mean very basic song structure you know it's verse chorus verse chorus middle eight back to the chorus end you know it's really really simple um and but again got a good groove and yeah no I really like leave it alone absolutely
It took me a while, you know the lyric where it's like I'm not one of these joiners, I'm not down with the club?
It took me a while to realise it meant joiners as in like joining the gang.
Joining the gang, aye.Rather than like a joiner we would want.
Such an idiot, man.That's how I was hearing it at the start.
I'm not one of those joiners, I'm an electrician or something, you know.
I laugh because it's still, I mean see for it just being a kind of pissed off album that's not, that were feeling cynical or weary or whatever it was, I mean listening to it now, it all still makes absolute sense.
Oh yeah, I've not really moved on that much.
It's not aged badly at all because I could hear, for example, Leave It Alone being recorded now and it being played, it making sense and everything like that without changing too much yet.
And then, yeah, even down there it's all about motives and, you know, with attention and always peace of mind, all that sort of stuff, eh?So it's good for that, you know?
Because some of the albums we have listening to, they've maybe been for a time and a place.And when you told me about
it being like 1993 I'm going oh I think I know what this is going to sound like, just a band, a kind of rocky band at that time but it's not, it's not to me eh?It has aged pretty well.
I know, I think so too to be honest.
And then it jumps on to Bye.This one gave me a laugh, man.I thought it would.From the first moment I listened to it.Because it's uber catchy.It's funny.It's smarmy.Yeah, totally.It's a bit more minimal, isn't it?Aye.
Yeah, it's quite kind of economical, you know, because even the riff, it's just like... You know, it's not doing a lot.And it's playful.
It's probably, you know, it's the first time the album gets a bit playful, you know, because I don't even know if it does at any point later, but we'll find out as we go.
But, you know, it's a bit playful, a bit kind of like, you know, let's have a bit of fun now.
Yeah and even with the chorus bit, the way the guitars kind of go with the chorus and then it increases, it kind of sounds like it's escalating a wee bit during the chorus but the video man gave me some laugh.
The guys with the thongs and all that.
It's slutty, it's just pure slutty.It's funny like eh? and just all the wee looks and the side glances and stuff like that but it's, without it being gross, it's still on the humour side I think.
It's like a George Michael video or something except it's them that's doing it.It's got that wee bit of a vibe to it, you know, where the guy's kicking about in thongs and just having a bit of a party basically.
Yeah, cheap. but you know it could easily fall in the kind of the kind of pervy side of it but doesn't it?Pretty provocative you know everybody wants you when you're by and it's I take it it's
So the girlfriend sits him down and he's saying that she's bi but he's been with a girl that she's with.
Yeah, because that's what I'll come up with, because the one I've been with you've been seeing on the side.
Yeah, and I love that. One of the lines I like in it is, well, a friend of a friend told me everybody's messed up with their sexuality and I love that, eh?I love that kind of friend of a friend.I mean it's communal, isn't it?You just know that.
Totally, totally.But again, this is bold as well, you know, because this is… It is!This is an art, you know, again, back in 93,
to come out with this you know they're already up against it as four black guys playing hard rock slash metal and then they write a song on this as well on top of it you know and to challenge you know because there was tons of homophobia about you know and at that time and then sadly there still is but um you know this would like for example that you know although this was a single you know it
it wouldn't have got a lot of radio play, you know, this would have, you know, radio stations would have refused to play this, you know, through homophobia and stuff, whereas you would probably get this in mainstream media, radio now, and it would probably fly, well, apart from some of the lyrics, you know, they might have to censor some of it, but in terms of a song called Bye and everybody loves you when you're by, you know, I think that would, that would be okay, you know, you know, you know, I think somebody put in one of the contemporary articles about the album, you know, Katy Perry's I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It, you know,
You know, this was 20 years before or whatever, you know, and that kind of thing.I don't know as much as that, but, um, but you know, but back then I think it was bold.
It was, it was bold to kind of come out with this, um, especially in that, that world as well.Um, the musical world and, uh, you know, and, and
that's again back to that's one of the reasons why um i love this band so much because they you know they they took chances you know chances like this you know um and and and i and i bet you they knew they were fucking with people a wee bit with us i like that i like that you know what fuck yous you know you know let's let's get some love to buy people you know you know and just say you know so they're human beings too and they might like it both ways as they say but you know
I laugh because, and I know I'm thinking of this like so many years later and with an adult head and everything like that, but there's something much more manly and butch than these guys singing this than probably what I imagine some words that would have got used to describe this song is.
It's almost tougher.It's almost tougher. You know, to be able to do that.
Yeah, totally.And it takes guts, it takes, you know, and listen, it takes more guts to be bi and go about your life, that takes more guts than a guy writing a song about it, you know.So let's get that straight, you know.
I'm saying a guy being bi, I mean, anyone being bi.But you're right, because I remember, I remember Lemmy actually said, Lemmy of Motorhead.So he was a singer and bass player in Motorhead, you know, in case you don't know who he is.
he said that Little Richard was the toughest guy in the world.
That's not surprising me man.
You know, just because gay, black and living in Alabama.Do you know what I mean?And strutting about with his style and his flamboyancy.That's a tough guy. No, no the guy that's got the muscles, the macho man.No, no, no.So he's nailed it, you know.
Absolutely, you know.So yeah, absolutely.It's very, very true.
Aye, I really like that.It puts a smile on your face, doesn't it?
Yeah.And then it fucking turns right up to mind your own business.
And this is a song that I was talking about that I'm like, oh, this is what I think David is all over.
Because it's fast and… It's fast and it's the change in the speed and… I guess it's up and down and… Yeah, it's like… It's like…
like angry and then and then it's dragging the well the the the verses kind of drag and they're kind of long and everything like that and then it goes then it's rushed and then it's on purpose of course but it's it's like that that change and everything like that where i'm thinking oh this is this is surely what the stuff that david like say yeah you're not wrong you know i like a lot of songs
But no, you're right.I mean, I do love the speed up bit, you know, but I like when it speeds up, slows down.Why don't you mind your own business?You know, it goes up and down.
I think it's cool because it changes it from just being a relentless kind of beat.So they kind of mix it up a wee bit, which is clever.
I like the idea of even the line is like don't you hate it when those little facts interrupt you know so much more fun just to make it all up you know and you know that's that's that's great to me.
I mean there's not loads to talk about in the song itself musically because that is you know it's pretty it's pretty black and white in terms of like you know you've got your slow bit as you said your fast bit
and you know apart from the lyrics you know um yeah i mean it is a good it is a good kind of version of the gossip buzzes around your head like bees in a hive so you know sometimes i think it's how you stay alive and then just see what you're saying about the don't you hate when those little facts and they're all so much better way to get a laugh i mean it's good isn't it yeah yeah totally totally and mind you know but it's kind of as you said you know that i mean these song titles go away
Ignorance is bliss, leave it alone, mind your own business, you know, and as we'll come on to later, never satisfied and you know, there's this, you know, so there's, you're right, it's all very, it's very kind of like, like they're in a bad mood, you know.
Because I think Vernon said that, I think it was a quote from him saying, you know, I think it's a retrospective quote,
looking back at this time and he was saying, you know, that was it, we'd made money and we were successful and you think all your problems are going away but you still feel a bit shitty and then you realise, right, okay, it's not as good as I thought it was going to be.
Which is, I'm sure we've all been there, you think once I get there this will be it and I'll be happier or whatever and then you're fucking no.
Which is interesting because if that's the kind of take on it, if they had money and what you think it's going to be like that and then it's still pretty relatable, I mean they're talking about being pissed off and it's all about normal things isn't it?
And then you're going to have to tell me again, is it Auslander?Auslander.Auslander.Auslander.Which I googled was foreigners in German.
Yeah, in German, yeah.I remember this.I was talking about this on another podcast because there was a few songs running about this time that were kind of discussing this kind of topic because
I remember talking to you about this before but you know it was MTV Europe when I was a teenager running about this thing so you were getting a lot of European stuff on MTV whether it was the actual VJs, there were
from parts of Europe and some of the music was more European and things like that but I don't know with it sounding all like you know pro-EU and all that it did feel you did feel a bit more like connected to Europe you know even just as a kid watching it you felt a bit more you know that it wasn't just the UK you know.
But I remember there seemed to be, because MTV is what MTV is, it's never going to be held up as some pinnacle of music or whatever, for some it might, but by that time they were actually showing documentaries and things like that, important documentaries, and I remember there was a documentary I watched as a kid, well run about this time, say 14, 15, whatever it was,
and it was about the rise of fascism in Europe and especially about Germany it was actually starting to happen again and they were talking about that and there was debates in their studio and things like that you know I'm not going to pretend I knew everything they were talking about but I got the gist of it and and I knew there was there was
something going on something kind of happening in europe that was was a bit so i think this was a reaction to that when they were in germany they were touring they were saying you know again uh will cahoon who wrote the lyrics and the drummer he was saying he was hearing that word a lot in germany was asking what's what is that he says oh it's the that's um people from somewhere else or whatever the quote was but basically foreigners i so he was hearing that a lot
So you put yourself in the mindset of someone coming into a country, whether Germany or whatever, and you know, trying to get by.
You know, even Roger Taylor, the drummer in Queen, had a song in 1994 called Nazis and it was very similar in theme, you know, as well.So, but that's kind of stuff.So yeah, I think the song's excellent and I think it's…
What I really like about it is, you know, the lyric that sums it up for me is the nuances of coming into your country and taking this and taking that from us.And the lyric is, everything that I want isn't everything that you've got.
I don't want what you've got.I just want somewhere to fucking live because my country's fucking in pieces, you know.It's that kind of thing, you know, it's just, you know, I don't want what you've got.You're fine, keep it. Do you know what I mean?
It's like, you know, I've got my own life, I've got my own need, you know?
It's that whole idea, like, folk are here to take stuff off you.
Take stuff, yeah, yeah, instead of contribute.When these figures show time and time again.
They're just here as well.
Immigration, like, you know, it increases the GDP of a country, you know, many, many times, you know, but these things get ignored because, you know,
But I get it, but you've got to flip it, you've got to flip it and you've got to look at the person that's
that's not got a good life, the person that's getting kept down and struggling and then someone comes in and they feel threatened by it, why is that person, is that someone else that's going to take food out of my mouth now?
And that feeling's fed in by politicians, that feeling's fed in, they heat that up, it's actually this kind of shit that's causing you to live such a shit life, oh is that right?
And then somebody with half a brain starts believing it and you know, so there's you know, it's all manipulation isn't it?But anyway, you know.
Again no, like so poignant, kind of relevant and everything like that, we're still talking and you're thinking about it now and I get it, it is that, it's misdirected kind of hatred and you know, even I know to go back to your tangent a bit, like MTV Europe, I've spoke about this as well, was a big part for me as well growing up.
Oh yeah, well I've talked about
Yeah, because I mean I used to, and that's partly why I'm interested in where it fared in album charts in some of the European countries as well, you know, going over to Hungary when I was younger and stuff like that, MTV Europe and it was tuned in and it was the first time I heard bands like the Yeah Yeah Yes and I heard, and I remember
hearing different Pauly Harvey stuff and ones that weren't getting played over here and stuff like that.When I was watching the video for this, because it's pretty provocative, the video for this.It's quite wild, the video.
The way the lighting is and all that, it's all kind of jacking stuff and quite kind of frantic.
And it matches because the guitars are chaotic and all that and there's the whole... and one bit that kind of really touched me in the video was there's a bit where they show the concentration camp number on somebody's forearm and it
this is a wee side but it always reminded me whenever I was younger and would go to Hungary, I used to see the old boys with their concentration numbers and then you would see less and less every time the older I got and stuff.
So when I've seen that I'm like, wow, that's pretty touching to me.
Yeah, absolutely.So, hi, and probably just how the world is a wee bit at the moment, you're like, Christ,
Yeah, no, I know.It's like the old cliche, it could be written today, but sadly it could be, you know.We go backwards and we seem to take two steps forward and the three back, you know, in terms of like trying to progress, you know.
Even the word foreigners. I remember going down to places and I'm not picking out England but you know my wee granny lived in a place in England and there would be shops like no foreigners, no fruit pickers, no foreigners and that.
I'm thinking like I was like my teenage years.
Yeah, so it's just that you wouldn't really say foreigners now.
I wouldn't anyway.No, they're fucking people.
But the bit I like, I mean I don't know if this is intentional, this is just my take on it.
the middle bit where you hear the noises and all that, the factory noises, I always think that's where most immigrants end up working, they end up working for low pay in these factories when they're probably actually really capable of so many good things.
I'm no disinfecting work by the way I mean you know you do what you need you do to survive but in terms of what they're qualified to do they probably find themselves in jobs like factories and things like that because that's all it's been offered to them and you know and that was my take on it but I have no idea if that was the intention of the song but you know that's gonna you know that's how I take it anyway bye
Yeah, and then it goes to Never Satisfied.You mentioned this earlier.It's really bitter, isn't it, this one?Yeah, I mean, I don't have huge notes in this apart from about how clipped it is.
It's, you know, that kind of clipped sound, but I mean, it's still got all the catchy and still got all the anger and everything like that in it as well, eh?Probably more lyrics in this one.
Yeah.Got no face to sit on.
I know, it's so good man eh?Ain't got no girl to kiss, what is it to kiss on?Got no face to sit on.Ain't no got no star to wish on.It's like, quack!
It's kind of one extreme to the other, you know?So I think you're right, see you're talking about the humour and all that, absolutely, there's threads of humour in it, you know?
I mean, because you actually hear the guys speak, they're really cool guys, you know? I mean I actually met them all actually after I got my stuff signed, I was like a pure fanboy.Can you sign this please?
And again, I've looked at loads but I think on this one, but the bitterness, you know I'll never be satisfied until it ends in tears, I just want everybody else to be miserable because I've got nothing, you know, just one, just bitter.
But again, funky, that whole, I will never be serious, but yeah, it's constant.By the end, you're all in tears until it's all an end, you know?Until it's on fire.
Until it's on tie, yeah.And then that leads into that bit that we kind of, the whole world is spinning around, you know, and it's a wee mid-late bit and that's really cool, I like that.Life's in pieces on the ground.
and then it goes into a wee kind of the solo's like it's a wee funky bit in there and stuff but then it goes mental with the bits that you'll probably not like but he's not he's the yeah Vernon he doesn't he doesn't date by half measures you know it's solos are always like
Yeah, I mean it's consistent, it's not like an oddball thing where it's just like, what is he doing here, eh?
You know what's happening.No, I'd never be satisfied, never satisfied, so I think it's a tune.
And then it fires on, nothingness.Bit of a change here.
I mean, I like it.I mean, it starts with a, I mean, it was just a single, this one.It was aye, yeah, yeah, yeah.I mean, it kind of rips out it, but I like it.
It starts with a kind of crickety sound, see, and it is that kind of vast, there's a bit more space in this one.Yeah, totally.
I had a laugh with this, and I don't know if you go back and listen to this, but see that there's a tiny bit at the start where it sounds like Love Shack.Like the intro.There's an intro.
I want to listen to Love Shack.
Yeah, listen to it because it's just that wee tiny bit.
I know Love Shack but I cannae think of the bit.It's weird because they've got two totally different vibes to them. I love Jack in this bit so I got it.
Yeah I know there's just a tiny wee bit I was like oh that just sounds a tiny wee bit like Loveshack sounds eh?Loveshack's a tune so that's alright.It's a tune as well.But yeah I mean it's a bit more ballady I suppose.Yeah definitely.
There's the kind of smooth, I think is it a guitar keyboard or something like that?It's kind of synthesizers.
I think it's just like strings, synth strings you know.
I mean, it's definitely a bit more internal where the less is being kind of outward and angry as we've been talking about, this is a bit more internalized and about being lonely and it's a bit maybe slightly more vulnerable than the last of them.
Because it is, it's like loneliness, emptiness. The Empty Chester, it's all that, eh?And it is that more, even the video kind of matched up with it.He looks cool as anything in a big cloak kind of jacket thing, eh?
But it's like landscapes and satellites and kind of that a bit more. ethereal or what?
I mean I think, I meant to check this but I think this, I think again drummer Doug, he wrote this and I think he wrote about his dad dying, like his dad had died And he started writing the lyrics for it.But it is about loss in general, the song.
As you can tell by the lyrics and stuff.But I think it's a lovely tune.I really like it.And I think the strings are lovely as well. and kind of ethereal, like you said, kind of that kind of thing.
But I did find out, I didn't know, something I read recently was that he sang into a satellite dish in the studio.Oh did they?
So Gorrie sang into that and it was getting that kind of... because it's got a particular sound to it, his vocal on that, so it was like just coming off that and that's what they recorded, you know.
Yeah, I mean it's sweet, there's a sweet tone to his voice.
Aye, it's really smooth, aye. And I like what the bass is doing as well, because the bass is again really busy on this, although the song is, like you say, got a lot of space in it, but the stuff that
I'm saying, I'm getting the notes down, Doug's dad, Will's dad, sorry.Will Calhoun, it was about Will's dad, sorry.But yeah, Doug's bass playing is daft on this, you know, it's really, really, really great.
But no, I think it's, I think Muffin, this is a, it's probably, it's probably needed probably for, you know, at this point, you know.
You know, probably buying this or the two bits of Respite, I would say, in the album, you know, because the rest of it's,
You're right, and I think if the two songs weren't on it, it would have been a lot harder for me.
For you to listen to, yeah.
And just to show a bit of something else as well.
But again, that's quite common with Living Colour in general, to be honest, there will be a lot more light and shade, so this isn't typical of them.
And then it fires right back up with Postman.
I'm not even sure, this is the only one where I don't get Postman.I don't get the title.
Right, okay.Do you know what the song's about?Have you figured out what the song's about?
I mean there's all the biblical crucifying an angel and stuff, eh?
It's basically an active shooter, going to shoot people. and this is what he's going through, this is the kind of things he's thinking.There's a line, chaos carnage around me. Will I hear their shouts and cries?
Will I laugh at the guts when they try to surround me?So he's killing people with his gun and he's hearing the shouts and cries.
When you read it now, when you know it, you'll read the lyrics.
because I'm more, I mean I was picking up more on, I mean it's tight, it's pressured and then there goes all the hissing in the background and then there's like hitting noises and manic talking and all that as well so it now makes total sense to me.
The whole postman is like going postal and you know, that's obviously a postman just going nuts and just shooting everybody.I think it's a nod to that, you know, going postal and you know, so a postman is
I suppose he's delivering vengeance in his way.
God it's so menacing now that I'm thinking about it.I walk through the crowds, nobody sees me, I'm invisible.Here I've come to finish my mission, to put an end to this fear, his fear.
um and it's it's dark it's fucking dark you know but and again the way this is probably i think i think they said you know obviously when corey was singing this obviously he's singing really really kind of forceful you know a lot of grit in his voice in this song you know um but yeah it's it's it's fucking and it and it's the the guitarist that wrote it
It's Vernon Reid, the changly, nice, the kind of lift that I find most in this album, like the slightly more… Bye.Yeah.Wow.
But as I was saying, they're all right.I mean Vernon and Will are the two main writers, you know, in the band.But yeah, I think it's excellent.I mean, I think the chorus, Again, I think it's catchy as well.You know, they crucify me again and again.
I think it's… I like Postman, I think it's… because that's the thing, when he goes into that chaos in Carnage, a roommate goes away and I think you hear all those noises, so that's the shit starting because he's started shooting.
and people surrounding them so that's all the hits and maybe somebody's trying to get them and get them down and things like that so it's all sorts of shit you could picture.
Yeah, I feel like my mind's been blown a wee bit so I'll have to, it's obvious now that I read it, I'll have to listen to it again.
It's like it couldn't get any grimmer you know and then the song about somebody shooting people you know.
And now I understand maybe why it went from, I mean it was kind of low before with nothingness and then it goes from that and then into the instrumental.
wee bit isolated, not isolated in terms of the album because it didn't stand out as in it was more, I mean it is, it does sound more aggressive with all the hissing and things like that going on but then again that is maybe being isolated a wee bit.
Aye possibly, I've tried to find a place for it.
Yeah because it goes on, the instrument, now it's like a minute and a half or so.
No much point discussing it to be honest but just a wee kind of you know.
yeah i mean it's all going on and stuff you know i mean it i mean it's not it's similar to the rest of the album but the bit i do like in it there's like a bit where it's you know there's that you know there's there's all the the guitars and that going on then there's like a big disco bam right in the middle where it's like yeah i like that i've never heard something like that i'm gonna start using that
So yeah, that's the one thing I had to say about that bit.And then you don't need to tell me what this next one is about, what this little pig is about.I was like, you don't have to explain the tale to me on this one.
I mean, the main thing on this for me is it's fast, it's raging, then there's a break, then it's fast and raging, then there's a guitar break, then it's fast and raging.
I mean… It's angry aye, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.And it's got the, you know, it's got the kind of the bit at the start, you know, the 56 times in 81 seconds.I mean, I'm guessing that it's in reference to a particular priest brutality thing.
Yeah, Rodney King, yeah.So it was the
yeah it was they beat him 56 times in 81 seconds that's how many blows they took to his body up from the police you know and Rodney King um so the the you know the the song's a reaction to the those police officers getting away with it you know everyone of them got acquitted you know and that's obviously one of the
one of the sparks of the early riots, you know, things like that.So it's kind of like, we've got no chance here, you know.And I mean, this was, I mean, because the Royal and the King verdict I think was 92.So obviously I said I'm going at 93.
But even pre, you know, I know there was, you know, Ice T, Ice Cube, you know, the rappers at the time, they had songs, you know, in reaction to that as well.
As well, this is their kind of take on it, so they've done it slightly different, whereas, you know, Ice T and Ice Cube weren't as subtle, you know.
I mean, one of the songs is called Cop Killer, you know, so that's just, you know, so that's not very subtle.So they've went along this little pig route, which I think is a bit more
It's not that subtle, but it's certainly more subtle than the rappers were doing, you know, but they just must have been like, you know, we've got no fucking chance here.
Absolutely no chance and police on video, on video beating Rodney King, I mean on fucking video taking blows and blows and blows to his body and they get away with it.
So I get why they're like fuck this and I get why this song's so angry, you know what I mean?It makes a lot of sense. But I like the way, after the 56 times in 81 seconds, it goes... It's almost like simulating the blows, you know?
And then it goes into that kind of punky rhythm, that... It's really kind of fast, but yeah, I think it's class.
Yeah and I mean it's even just I mean when you see it kind of laid out the lyrics and that I mean it's I mean it's all just this little pig.
Yeah there's not a lot of lyrical deviation from this little pig you know.
No but I mean it's still even I mean it it's pretty it's pretty like out there eh?I mean it's on a this little pig's on a mission, this little pig needs a plan, this little pig's got ambition you know it's it's I mean it's rattling eh?
Yeah, he thinks he's running the show, he thinks he's king of the hill, well he doesn't, no, he's the next pig to be killed.
It's like… It's angry, but I like angry things, you know.
You know what I'm saying.
I like anger.I don't like anger myself, I don't like being angry, but I like things that are. positively angry and this is negatively angry but I can feel positive about it at the same time.Yeah, absolutely.
They're getting their anger out and I feel good for them, you know.
Yeah, because… It's a righteous anger, you know.Yeah, it's that, that's what I was trying to, the words I was trying to get to, it's that kind of righteous thing that, yeah, no, I'm on board with it, totally.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That kind of thing, yeah, totally.Yeah.And then it fires on to hemp.
Which again is another wee interlude thing.
Yeah I mean it's I like all the voice recording things on it and it's the kind of soft music in the background and then it's almost like a biblical reading isn't it?
It sounds like a preacher.I don't even know what I mean I think they because I mean I've got the go on record this album um and it's got the what he says on there
And the lyrics sheet, because there's no good lyrics on this album for some weird reason.There's no lyrics sheet, if you know what I mean, but just that one, you know, it's got him on it.But yeah, it's just one of these things.
I don't know, is it him saying it?Is it him?
Oh no, I don't know.I think it's a sample of somebody.
I mean, I probably should have looked at it.It probably tells you who it is, you know, on the record sleeve.But yeah, I probably should have looked, but I didn't.
Because I'm too lazy.Not at all.Then it finishes up with all… Well, it's just kind of hopeful.
A bit more hopeful.You know, it's not as angry.It's a bit more, like, reflective and, how can we do this better?
Yeah I mean it's the funky kind of quick riff and then straight into the heavy guitars isn't it and it's again it's just it's hitting on the whole kind of irony.I think this is my favourite
well yeah okay that makes sense yeah yeah.
Just to kind of iron it and the stuff that I've spoke about in this album, the things that I like, and it's got again more of the wee vocal recordings in it, I mean it's pretty straightforward but I mean how can you not agree with the lyrics eh?
Aye I mean it's not that profound or anything I just kind of love it you know?We hate each other because of race and religion you know?
We hate each other because our mum and dad told us to.
Yeah, exactly.Aye.It's kids, they're getting fed shit and they've got no chance.Well, they've got a chance when they become adults and get a brain for themselves, but you know… But we won't.But we won't, because we just don't, do we?We never sort it.
That's me being cynical and all that, eh?
I know.I know why they did write this, because it's, you know… It's nae hope.
But the bass on this again, wild mad eh?
Aye, totally.It's like it's even though.It's crazy, crazy.I mean because he, I mean, so Doug played, I mean he played, he did session work for the Stones and things like that as well.Not that Stones were ever his
you know, had busy bass like this, you know, in their songs.But, you know, he's done a lot of, I think he's done stuff with Annie Lennox and all that as well, stuff, you know, so he's been, he's been around, you know, quite a bit.
And I think I met him, did I mention this last time, but he He played bass on a song on the Depeche Mode album we covered.We did Ultra way, way back.He plays in one of the songs.Oh, shit, it's just slipped my mind about one of his.
But yeah, anyway, he plays on bass on one of the songs as well.
So, you know, quite... Yeah, it's pretty varied, isn't it?
Yeah, so quite a varied kind of musician, you know, in terms of who he's worked with, you know.But aye, bass playing's great on it.
I feel like I can see influence, obviously I can see what's some of the stuff that's influenced them that we've spoke about, but I can also see things that have came after that that must have been influenced by this.
Yeah, oh definitely, absolutely.And I think that's it, I mean I think it's just I've just distilled all that.
I mean, as I said before, again, this isn't the example, you know, I've probably given you the album that's the least example of Loving Colour as a band, you know, in many ways, you know what I mean?
I mean, they've got a song called Solace of You on the previous album, which is so light and the guitar work is busy, but it's really, it's clean.It's a clean guitar sound and it's got kind of African rhythms and, you know,
And it's just such a sweet song, it's really lovely.I don't know, I maybe picked the wrong album, but that's alright, I've made my choice.
But no, Wall, I think Wall is, and it's basic, the wall between us all must fall, it is basic, it's a basic sentiment, but it works, you know?It works for me, I think it's catchy as well.
yeah i've enjoyed this album i've not had see that first reaction i had where i was like i just got it and then and then it last maybe necessarily i quite felt like it lasted but i think because it's because it's um because it is it's it's a bit like
It's a bit like a, like just a fucking stone standing there.This is it.And this is, and there was not, I'm not saying there was not all that much to keep listening to, but it's just not my ear when it comes to the kind of guitar stuff and that.
So, but I've enjoyed it and I will go on and listen to some of the other stuff because it's only made me, the way you've talked about it.
the kind of stuff that I've seen on YouTube and that, it only makes me have more questions about them and I like that because for this being what feels like a bit of a, like I said, stone in the sand album, it doesn't make me think that this is what the band are like.
I just know with the sounds of this and the kind of funkiness of it that there's more to it.
They've got a talent in the band and they've got a big reach.
It's like I'm in, I'm interested, I'm in.
Yeah, I mean probably if you were going to listen, probably the first album was probably going to be more accessible because it's really catchy and some of the vocals on it are, you know, they're a lot smoother as well, the vocals on the first album and just thinking of the songs and I
Probably noo, if I had my time again.If I was trying to get an album that you would maybe connect with better, it probably would have been the first album now that I think of it.Right.
Because when I gave you it, it was kind of in my mind's ear and then when I started, I'll be honest, then I'm going to put it on you like, just remind myself again for that.I was like...
aye this is in my mind it was more diverse than what it was in terms of music and then when I listened to it I was like no this is pretty fucking full on from start to finish you know give or take the song you know.
No I'm glad you gave me this one because see if you gave me the first one I don't know if I would have If you were telling me this one's more metal than that, I probably would have went, nah, I'm alright.
So I'm glad you've kind of started with this, because I can see more to it, so I am... I will go and listen to the next one.
I mean, don't get me wrong, you will.I mean, if you were to check out the first or the second album, you will hear elements of what you've heard on this, I'm absolutely no doubt about it.
You will hear songs that are heavy and kind of in your face and that kind of thing, but there's more.There's more melody and more variety in the previous two, definitely. But I think Stain's great and it's up there for me.I think it's a great album.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.Right, so I was going to give you this one actually a few weeks back, a few times back, sorry, but I'm going to go with an album that's probably one of the biggest albums in my childhood growing up.
and it was one that my dad played a bit and I don't even think he played it all in my childhood but there's definitely a time that this got played a lot and I still love this album.So I'm gonna go with Terry Hall's Laugh.
Terry Hall's Laugh.Who's Terry Hall?
Terry Hall from the specials.
Oh, that Terry Hall, right, okay.I know the name is Griffith, I know there's obviously the model called Terry Hall.That's Jerry Hall.
Jerry Hall, aye, David, no.
I was like, did she make music?
Oh, well I do like the specials, so.
Have you heard any of his own stuff?No, no, no.But you've listened to the special stuff?Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.So this was one of his solo albums from 1997?
Oh, it's quite late on then, right?
Terry Hall and Laugh, right.
And you know, it's quite funny because, I mean, I was telling you before this, I wasn't too sure what I was going to give you, but I was listening to an old No Doubt song on YouTube the other day, and Terry Hall was kind of on the couch in the video, just kind of cutting about.
Oh, right, okay.And it was just a bit bizarre, so that's why I went straight to that on my list. It'll be interesting if you know the specials and all that, it'll be interesting to see what you think of this one then.
I didn't think you were going to go there.
Yeah, well I'm trying to not go down all the time.You bring it up and then I can bring it down with some
I could have brought it.I don't know what I could have done this time.
This is ramping up.I was like anxious for like every time I was listening to it and like just ready to like just go out and then hurt folk but I didn't know why.
Yeah now I know. So aye, I'll take you there and see what you say.
So Terry Hall's laugh, right.I look forward to listening to that.
Well, thank you for bringing Living Colour to me.I've enjoyed it.
That's good sometimes.It's a way to get it out, eh?
True.It's a way to get it out somewhere.But it's just to finish it all just on, I suppose, love it.It's mad because when I listen to this album,
Don't tell me you're relaxed, man.
Oh, this is like a catchy kind of... I don't want to say a background album, but it's like a... I just want something easy to listen to.
I knew you were going to say the words easy to listen to.For fuck's sake, David.That is meant... If I want easy listening, I put the carpenters on or something like that and you fucking put this on.
I'm not trying to sound like, oh, I meant to put this on as easy.
It's just... This is just good, catchy, solid fucking, you know... This is my kind of...
Well thank you for listening to us after listening to Live in Colour and hopefully you'll join us again for listening to a bit of Terry Hall.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it and it's not Jerry Hall, it's Terry Hall.
Not Jerry Hall, Terry Hall.Right, thanks everyone.
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