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so you never miss another episode.It really also helps people to find us.Right, art.The New York Museum of Modern Art has had a Mondrian painting hanging upside down for 75 years and they plan to keep it hanging as it is.
In order to avoid paying for meals, Salvador Dali would doodle on the back of his cheques knowing they would never be cashed.He also believed that painters must take care of their hands and let them have their required sleep.
He would sometimes go for walks wearing his arm in a sling and whisper to passers-by, It's asleep.And here's a fun fact for you.Vincent van Gogh, as he is pronounced in Holland, once worked as a supply teacher in Ramsgate.
This is my studio slash dining room.
That's my guest today, Olaf Falafel.Hergé found drawing Tintin so stressful, he began developing eczema on his hands whenever he sat down to work.That was a bit how I felt with the book.
Leonardo da Vinci only completed 15 paintings and two murals during his lifetime, but left behind over 4,000 drawings on paper.
And Harvey Ball, designer of the iconic smiley face, was only paid $45 for his design and he never took out a trademark on the image.
Apparently he never regretted his decision, saying, hey, I can only eat one steak at a time and drive one car at a time.
I just put up a big screen because I was going to shoot a video.So that's kind of blocking us a lot.
Olaf Falafel is an author, illustrator and comedian.He's a former winner of The Funniest Joke of the Edinburgh Fringe and has created and performed several stupidly named comedy shows, including Olaf Falafel and The Cheese of Truth.
His family-friendly Super Stupid Show is award-nominated and also a festival favourite among fellow comedians and their kids.Olaf writes and illustrates children's books, including Blobfish and the Trixie Pickle Art Avenger series.
He also has an art club on YouTube full of drawing tips and facts about famous artists, like Horrible Histories, but for art.He is also a viral sensation with his social media clips.
Olaf and I talked about cheese, truth, reinvention, illustration, ideas, plagiarism, creativity, jokes, school, ageing and farts.But I started by asking him about ditching the day job.
I was working in advertising, which was fun. And yeah, I kind of, I, I got rid of the job, but I sort of got pushed.I didn't get pushed out.
I basically, when my daughter was born, when my first daughter was born, there were quite a lot of complications.And to the point where there were scary things being talked about, like brain damage, because she wasn't breathing for like 10 minutes.
And it was a pretty troubling time, but the hospital were brilliant.And I wanted to do something to give back to the hospital.So I started doing some fundraising, but using my illustration.I wasn't an illustrator properly at that time.
I was just doing it sort of in my own time whilst working a, I say nine to five, it was more like nine to nine in an advertising agency in London.
And basically off the back of some work that I was doing to raise money for the hospital, I made, I think it made about 12 grand for the hospital.But
another rival advertising agency saw the illustration and commissioned me to do work for a national newspaper.And the commission paid as much, not quite as much, but nearly as much as I would get paid in a year in my nine till.
So I kind of, but it was about two months worth of, it was a big old illustration job, about two months worth.What was the job?
What was the illustration job?
It was for the times.It was, um, it was for football, uh, for the world cup in 2010.And it just meant that I did have to treat that my full time job, like a nine to five, which kind of was the unwritten wasn't, wasn't the done thing.
It was, it was kind of the unwritten rule was you get in early, you stay late until, and you kind of, your face has to be there to show that you're working hard and, but I was kind of in the door, straight home.
As soon as I got home, I was working on this job for about two months.Nearly killed me, but I was kind of earning double what I would earn.
And by the time I'd done it, I just thought to myself, I might as well just go full time, not full time, I might as well try my hand at becoming an actual illustrator rather than trying to juggle a day job.And so that was, yeah, that kind of
was my first jacking in the job and then the second one was my second daughter was born on the same, I told you this, the same day that my very first stand-up gig was the same night my second daughter was born.
You have not told me this.I would have remembered this.Wow.
You've done the Tring Festival before.
I have.I love the Tring Festival.Yeah, it's a joy.And I was born near Tring, so I have a sort of affinity to... Whereabouts?Well, not that near, but in that sort of neck of the woods.
So I was born in a little place called Swanbourne, which is between Aylesbury and Winslow.
Yeah, yeah.Well, I manage my daughter's football team. and we play against teams around sort of Chesham and Tring and Aylesbury and all of that kind of swathe of Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire.
Oh the names from my youth.
Yeah.So where were we?Yeah so the guy who runs the Tring Festival, a guy called Ben Morehouse, and he actually used to work with me
in a more of a design agency rather than advertising and it was before the job that I got left pushed sacks not quite and Me and Ben have been mates for 20 plus years and always kept in touch.
And he was doing his first ever Tringe Comedy Festival, Tringe, as he called it.And part of that, he had this idea that he was going to, so Logan Murray.
I did my first course.I did.That's how I got into stand up.I did Logan Murray's course.All these synchronistic things.There you go.When did you do yours then?Because you started, I think, a couple of years before me.
Mine was 2011.Mine was 2014.So yeah, and I know the date because the day my daughter was born was the day of my first gig, but the courses started eight weeks before.
So Ben had this idea to take 12 people who'd never done comedy before, put them in the hands of Logan for eight weeks, every Friday,
And it was meant to culminate in what he called the roving comedy night, where these 12 people, they go to four pubs in Tring.You do five minutes in each pub, and then you move to the next one.And you get taken around by a pro.
And at the time I had Silky as my pro, but he's done this every year since.
And the pros are people like Richard Herring's done it, Jade Adams has been one of the guides who takes the newbies around, Arthur Smith tends to do it quite a bit, Dominic Holland.So you get some good people to take these newbies around.
But yeah, I was one of the newbies with a little group, there's three of us in Silky, and we went from one pub to the next.I did the first pub, first ever five minutes.
It went surprisingly well, as quite a lot of people will say their first five minutes does. Went to the next pub.There's photographic evidence of people laughing.I still got that photo.I was wearing a black shirt.
I'm wearing all black and white shoes for some reason.I don't know why.
Oh, how things have changed.
Yeah.And then the second pub was on Tring High Street.I can't remember, what was it called?I can't remember what it's called.I want to say the, not the compasses or the bell or something.I can't remember.But I was in there and when I was on stage,
I was doing the same five minutes that I'd just done, but my phone kept going off in my pocket.And it was like, you know you can tell the difference between a call and text.It was like call, call, text, text, text, call, text.
And it really put me off.And then I got off stage, but it didn't go well at all.I was completely flustered.And I looked.It was my sister was calling me saying, you better get your ass to Luton and Dunstable Hospital.My other half's gone into labor.
with your daughter.Well, I didn't know her daughter at the time.And I was like, shit.So I said to Ben, I'm not going to be able to do the other two parts.I'm going to have to go.Raced in my Toyota Yaris.
It normally takes about 40 minutes to get from Tring to Luton Dunstable Hospital.I must have did it in about 20.Got there.The midwife was giving me all sorts of shit.She was like, oh, so you're the guy who thinks it's bad.In my defense,
She was early and the previous daughter had been a couple of weeks late and she was meant to be coming to watch me in the third pub, the fourth pub.And so I was expecting to see her.
So she's the one who let you down, not the other way round.
Well, kind of, yeah.So my sister and her were meant to be coming to watch me.And then when I got these phone calls, I thought, oh, they'll just be like, which pub is it that we're meant to be meeting you in?
And it was, no, it was, um, you better get your ass to the Luton Dunstable Hospital.
And so she'd gone into labor while you'd been at the beginning of the evening.So like you'd, you'd, yeah.So you are not psychic.How would you know?
I checked with her.I said, it's not going to happen to her.No, we're going to be fine.Don't worry.You go do your comedy thing.Cause I've done these eight weeks of, you know, you've done it, you go and do it.And yeah, and it did happen.
So my first ever, it was actually my second ever technically, but it was my the first ever kind of gig.
I was in this black shirt and then there's the next photo in my camera, it was me in the same shirt but with a silly little apron on my head and in surgery and the second daughter was being born.So yeah, it was, that's the 3rd of July, 2011.
That was my first ever gig.
So your life pivots have always coincided around a baby being born.So your first one was because your baby's sort of ill health and the second one happened to coincide.
So if ever you decide you want to pivot into, you know, investment banking, you better have another baby and that'll be the day.
I better have another baby, yes.
That'll be the day anything's possible.
Well, I didn't have, I had hair. and the beard wasn't grey and then I have two teenagers.You've got older than teenagers.
So you weren't Olaf Falafel at the time, you were going on as your, and you weren't Derek Chickpeas, which is a mythological, that's your real name, as a good opening gag.I think I've heard you do it.
What is the opening gag for which you needed Derek Chickpeas?
Well, it wasn't really an opening gag, it was more I always get asked the question, so what is your real name in interviews and podcasts?And so I just thought I'd have a bit of fun by saying it was Derek Chickpeas and just seeing how many
people bought it and picked it up and ran with it.And there was a point where it was on my Wikipedia until some fun sponge changed it.But there was a one of my kids books was out.It was like Times Book of the Week.
And they actually said a laffle laffle is the alter ego of the author Derek Chippies, which I don't know whether they must have believed it.
unless they were carrying the joke on, but it's been carried on enough that enough people have bought into it.
And now, yeah, sometimes I do say it on stage as well, where I'll just say, hi, my name's Olaf Falafel, not my real name, of course, real name's Derek Chickpeas, and that just gets a laugh.
It's a good way to get, I've been studying openers lately, you know, when you get really sick of your openers as a comedian, and that's, they're the hardest thing to let go of if they work, but you know, when you get really bored of the thing you do and you've done it for so long, but you don't want to risk it,
yeah, so I'm immersed in other people's openness, which is a strange sentence, but there it is.
I try and, yeah, I try and open with something quite high energy and quite, normally a bit of a nugget of a song.
So I do, Summer of 69, I got my first real six string, bought it at the Five and Dime, played it till my fingers bled, turns out it was a cheese grater.
I've seen a clip of you, you did that at the Total Fast Fringe, I saw a clip of you doing that.
Yeah, I mean, I've got about four or five different ones that I like to kind of start with and I'll try and think about others.But yeah, try and do something that's a little bit more high energy.
I used to do the very low energy jokes about white sugar are rare, jokes about brown sugar demerara, which was a joke that I came up with I think it was like 2008, before I was even doing comedy.And it's one of those weird jokes where...
If I tell anyone that I came up with that, and I made that joke, they said, no, no, no, that's been around for ages.I'm like, no, when I came up with it, I Googled it, couldn't find it anywhere.
I remember tweeting it first and not seeing it anywhere else.But now I get sent it all the time with other people.
There's quite a lot of people on Instagram and TikTok who are just people who tell kind of bad jokes and then do like a really silly laugh at the end and get millions of views for it.I should really try that, actually.But I saw a guy
doing the Demerara joke and loads of people had tagged me on it and that's Ola's joke and everyone underneath says, oh of course it's not his, it's been around for ages.Someone comes up with it in the first place.I'm literally in the process of
compiling a joke book for kids.And it's kind of a mixture of those jokes that you have heard and seem to have been around for ages and jokes that I've come up with.
And I was talking to my agent and he's always quite sharp on the legalities of these things.He's like, you know, you say these jokes have been around for ages, but someone came up with them.You need to do a thorough.
I'm like, yeah, of course, because it's happened to me where people think, oh, that joke's been around for ages, but actually I came up with it.
And, yeah, it's a weird one where it's happened so often to me that you kind of just have to let go and think, OK, well, that's kind of in the ether now.That belongs to everyone.
That's an advantage of social media, though, because I think when you have at least got something out, it kind of date stamps it from a legal perspective.
If you're if you're able to, I quite often try all my stuff in real, you know, piece of my pieces to camera on Instagram or whatever.
And at least then, even though I'm not putting it out as standup, but if the gag at the end is whatever it is, and that then becomes my standup, I'm able to say, look, in that year, that month, I did do that.And it then became part of my set.
So I have been doing it for that many years.At least you can show, when it's one of those honor among thieves moments, where genuinely a couple of comics have come up with the same thing. then I think there's a good chance that way you just agree it.
They go, oh sorry, I didn't know you did it.I've only just started doing it, I'll stop.But I know you were properly ripped off by the cheese of truth viral man.So yeah, the story of that must have been a little bit of a body blow.
It was a strange one as well. Before TikTok, there was Vine, and I used to do a lot of stuff on Vine.Six seconds, wasn't it?
Yeah.So that Demerara joke, I did that on Vine back in and I found it.In 2014, I did it on Vine.This is how old it is.Like I said before, I had hair and the beard.
Hello, Podcast Penance.It's producer Mike here with some more handy information.So Olaf has currently shown Callie a photo of his younger self.But you knew that.
What a handsome young man.
I will say that I'm still calling you Olaf, even though it's because it's the only name I know you by.It's still very recognizably you.
There you go.Yeah.But the cheese of truth was. It started on Vine.And I remember where I was when I first came up with the idea.Did you ever do the comedy cafe in East London?
I think we all did it, didn't we?Because it was a way to get a pro spot if you did OK as a tent.
So I was there and I was with young Ed Hedges.
Do you know Ed Hedges?I do, of course.
And we were both on.I can't remember whether we'd been on or we were just about to go on.But I remember I'd had this idea for a stupid video and I'd not made it.And I thought I'd run through it with him. Because in my head it sounded quite funny.
And I explained, I said, well, what it is, you get a slice of cheese with holes in and I'm going to throw it on like the Daily Mail or the Sun, like a newspaper.
And then where the holes are in the cheese, you read the holes and it will kind of cut to the quick, it'll cut to the core of what that publication is all about.
So, for example, I did it, and I was explaining this to Ed, and he was looking at me like, you're fucking nuts.But at the same time, I went, yeah, I'm sure that'd be brilliant.
And the very next day I did it, and it just went ballistic on Vine and on Twitter, and then pretty much, I think it was just Vine, Twitter, and Facebook back then.I wasn't on Instagram, I wasn't YouTube.There was no such thing as TikTok.
I think that the one that I did first was the cheese the truth on a copy of the sun and where the holes landed it just said tits tits bingo tits.Which sums it up very well.Yeah I hadn't done children's books then so I wasn't in any way kind of
editing my content to the possibility that kids would see it.And then I did the Daily Mail and I'm thinking, well, the Daily Mail is always about everything causing cancer or it's anti-immigrant.
So I got the Daily Mail through the cheese and that and it just said, immigrants cause cancer.Which
We didn't know there'd be someone running for President of the United States as we record this who pretty much says those things.
Yeah, well it was weird because it was that kind of Al Murray, Afghan thing as well because a lot of people agreed with it.Not necessarily towards Kazim, but yeah. bad news.
And so a lot of people thought it was great because it was taking the piss out of immigrants and saying, and then I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.That's not what I was doing.
I'm taking the piss out of the Daily Mail because that's the kind of shit that they would say.But it did get that kind of traction because a lot of people were in the comments underneath saying how this is awful.It's terrible.
You can't go saying that stuff.I'm a lot of American people.A lot of people say I'm Mexican and I'm hardworking.How dare you say this about me?I'm like, whoa.
And that feeds the algorithm, of course, doesn't it?That's when you realize sometimes when it really kicks off, it's because of that stuff as well, which is depressing, but true.
But then it kind of progressed into me throwing it onto books and onto magazines, onto other things.And it wasn't just getting to the core, it was just a funny message.And then it kind of ran its course.I think it was sort of between 2014 and 2017.
And I do the sporadic odd one here and there.And I think where I first became aware that there was, so I didn't really get into TikTok.
I kind of, when Vine died, loved Vine, it was great fun, but I felt there was a massive pressure on me to make a silly six second video twice a week, because it was just, you have to kind of keep up the, it felt like, keep the machine, it felt like an extra layer of stuff I didn't really need.
And when Vine died, it was quite a sad time because I made quite a few actual friends through it.So the people who were working in Vine, in the building, would kind of invite me to talk at things and to certain sort of away days.
And I'd meet up with other people and made quite a few nice friends, some of whom I'm still in touch with. But on the other hand, there was a nice sense of relief when it was gone, because it meant I didn't have to keep up making silly videos.
I still make them, but it just wasn't feeding.It was just here and there.And then, yeah, it would have been two, three years ago, someone messaged me saying, there's a guy on TikTok who just ripped off the cheese of truth.
And he did it exactly the same way.He'd get a slice of cheese, he'd go, the cheese of truth, and throw it down.And exactly the same way I did, except
At the time, this guy, he had something like, I think it was like something like five million followers, and I had five.And I was just like, wow.And he was getting, every time he did one of these, he would get like a million views.And you could see
how he basically just used his, between his holds, it was slightly different in that it was rubbish.It was slightly more, he was American.Need to say that.And his would say stuff like, your bestie has a crush on you.
So it was kind of, yeah, it was slightly aimed more at your millennials, your teenage kids who are like, oh, that's so funny.
But ultimately, the thing that made it funny, it was a guy throwing cheese and saying the cheese is the truth, and it was seen between the holes.So the creative idea was basically something that nicked off mine.
The end message was his, and it was just, for me, that was the weakest bit of it.Did you contact him?
I would be completely inclined to contact that person.
I did.And I did think to myself, what's the best thing to do here?Because at the time, I had Like I say, about five followers.
And I thought, well, I can either say, stop doing this, or I can say, I don't mind you doing it as long as you credit me as the originator, or this is who I've taken this idea from, which he did.
To begin with, and that meant that I got up to like five, 6,000 followers.And then I started making, I thought, you know what?He's a rubbish.I'm going to start making some more of my own.
And the one that you were talking about earlier where I threw a slice of cheese, I always try and think, how can I do this again, but more creative?And whereas he is literally just churning out the same thing and the algorithm rewards that.
But for me, creatively, I don't find that rewarding.So I'll be throwing cheese out my top window.
I'll be doing, one of the funniest ones I've done is, I called it the cheese of truth trick shot, where it's on a spatula, which rests on a cucumber to make a pivot, and it flings, and my cat is involved.
So I'm always trying, if I want to make one, it has to be something different or something that's not been done.I have done somewhere, I just will throw a slice of cheese, but I'll do like a multi-slice.I've done like three or four slices in one,
And that has helped me get more followers and stuff like that. I've got too much other stuff to do.It is balling.
I think we can drive ourselves nuts in what we do and in any creative pursuit, because things you are doing, or you feel you're doing better or doing really well, suddenly someone else runs off with it and you're like, oh, they're getting rewarded for this thing.
And I know mine's really good, or mine was the original.And it is, it feels a bit like in the playground, if someone nicked your, you know, your lunchbox, it feels really hard.
But I do think there's something incredibly healthy about saying, well, I've got all these other things I want to do.And rather than getting stuck in resentment about that, I'm going to channel all the things I want to do into the things I can do.
So yeah, I applaud you for not getting stuck in bitterness and resentment.
That is the attitude that I've tried.At first, I was, you cheeky fucker, kind of.I was definitely like, and then I tried to think, well, how can I use it to my advantage?Because obviously, this guy is massive.He was like 5 million followers, right?
And so he did credit me. he did, being the operative word, because now he just, he stopped that.
It should be in his bloody bio.
It should be.I think, you know, it was, it was, it was in his bio for a bit and it was on every new one that he made, but that stopped after a few months, but he carried on making them.I was like, okay.He actually got in touch with me
recently he got in touch with me because he wanted to kind of get our story straight about, I think he was, because he's got a certain level of fame now and it's off the back of something I've done, he wanted me to almost give him blessing in writing.
Give you endorsement, I hope like the Washington Post you said no, I am not endorsing your candidacy.
No I did, I just said no mate, I said I didn't mind when you were crediting me but that quickly stopped.
uh well quickly you know after a while that stopped and then you kind of lost any official um seal of a falafel seal of approval after that yeah why should he have one i should add by the way i've just realized saying that it may sound like i was saying i'm glad the washington post did not endorse harris i want it on record that i am not glad that that happened
This is what you do when you've just found that statement handbag on eBay and you wanna build an entire wardrobe around it.You start selling to keep buying.Yep, on eBay.Over that all black everything phase, list it and buy all the color.
Feeling more vintage than ever?It's out with the new and in with the pre-loved.Next thing you know, you've refreshed your wardrobe basically without spending a dime.Yeah, eBay, the place to buy and sell new, pre-loved, vintage, and rare fashion.
I read a really brilliant quote yesterday, I was doing some research for another podcast, and a quote about resentment, a Carrie Fisher quote, which said that resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die.
That's good, yeah.That's good, isn't it?
So you've managed not to drink the poison.You've managed to just move on.
I try not to.I like to think the fact that I have got so much other stuff going on, it makes it easier for me to just say, oh, you know what?
It's like, literally like yesterday when I got sent a video of one of these Instagram, it was an Instagrammer stood against a brick wall and he was just delivering the Demerara joke.And I just thought, well, that was my joke, but you know what?
I've got, I've got a comic book I'm trying to write at the minute, well, which is taking me, Ali, I've got, I'm doing pencils for a comic book.
Oh, because you're influenced by, I've heard you talk about being influenced by Beano, Viz, all of those.
You can see it in your work.Very comic, very comic influenced.
Yeah, definitely.That's beautiful.
Show me those again.I know this is not a visual medium.We may use this as a YouTube clip, but.
So these are, it's a 200 page comic book.And I'm currently doing, this is the pencil.So I've written the script and then I've got to kind of take that script and work out, you know, that needs a box of its own.That needs to be like quite a big box.
They find, I've just drawn, it's called Butt Crack Hill. And it's like a waterfall.But Craig falls, sorry.So it's a waterfall that is shaped like a bum.It's a happy loop.
Do you have a sort of discipline of it?It's funny, I've heard, I know that like Mick Cave and Grayson Perry are among many who literally just put them, they work a working day.
It's not like an office job, but they work the hours as an office job, take a lunch break.I do not do that.Where are you on that continuum?
Well, It used to be that when the kids were younger and I had to walk them to school, it was a lot easier because that would be the start of my day.
When I got back in from walking them to school, it would be nine o'clock and I would then work the day.
Until they got home, I'd probably then have a break around three, but then I would carry on because what I do, if I'm illustrating, I can sit there, depending what the job is, I can sit there and have a documentary on or a podcast, sometimes a movie if it's something that Liam Neeson is in, and you don't have to think too hard, and just sit and draw, and I can sit and draw and work.
Like last night I was sitting drawing until about 11 o'clock because I've got this deadline on this.But this morning I was up, so I'm always the first up, Even though they're both at high school now, I still make them breakfast.
And so I'm up at seven.And then when they've left the house, which tends to be around quarter past eight, half eight, this morning, I had to post some bad mail off. Genuinely, I had to send some books off.
That's a nice thing to do.
Yeah, it's a nice start to the day.Some badges and some books.So I went to the post office, bought myself some croissants because I did a vine.
You've got a French fisherman vibe today, I think.So I think you should be eating croissant.
Well, I did a vine. that was Donald Trump based back in 20, the last one, is it 20?I might've been before the last election, like a year or so, but he was running for candidacy for the time that he won.
And I had, I don't know if you saw it, I had a croissant that I cut.Oh yes, yes.So again, I looked at that the other day, because obviously, and I thought to myself, I should recreate that, because I look so different.
I had in this video, let me see if I can find that, Trump.
We'll put a link to it, you send it to me afterwards, otherwise I can dig it out, but if you have it, yes.
There you go, this was basically it, so I've got a glare coming off my...
I can see it.It's brilliant.We'll link to that in the show notes for anyone who's listening and going, what was that?
I've still got that from eight years ago, which was in my cupboard of props and stuff.I thought, well, I'm just going to buy a nice big croissant and see if I can recreate that.
This is a mannequin of Trump, anyone listening, and a croissant that is You need to do it quick, don't you?Well, this is, well, sadly, it may be topical for a while to come.
No one can beat the late, the amazing late great Janie Godley, which is so sad that she's just died, but her Trump is a cunt banner.I think, isn't it, what an amazing legacy.
You leave the world and forever her doing that and then getting high-fived by one of the policemen.That's gonna be, what a legacy.
Was that, that was, that's no, that was at the golf, whatever his golf course is when he came to visit his golf course and she stood there with a banner saying Trump is a coward and the picture of her walking off afterwards and one of the policemen high-fiving her.
It was like, what a, that's, that's a good way for one's life to be, that's a legacy.
Yeah, I've just Googled it, it's brilliant. And that, yeah, that was 2016.It's mad how time flies.
And here we are again.But yes, I literally just had to call a girlfriend about how dismayed I am by what's happening.But we won't go down the Trump rabbit hole, because hopefully this is going to go out after the election.
Let's manifest together, two comedic, creative minds.Let's manifest Kamala Harris in the White House.
That would be good.I mean, yeah. I'm not going to even start because I could and I won't.
I know and then the whole podcast will be there and also by the time it goes out everyone will be like, all right guys.
Yeah, it's out of date and it's fine.It went well, I hope.
But it is weird how stuff that I think to myself, oh that only happened last year and then you look and it's like 2018, well 2018 was recently, well no 2018 was six years ago. and a hell of a lot changes in six years.
I used to do jokes when I started, I was in my mid-40s and I would say, I'm in my mid-40s and the audience would be like, no.And then I would have to, anyway, I'm having to age up the age I say to get anything of a gasp.
So now I got in my mid-50s, they're like, yeah.I think that's my living barometer is that things, you know, we must be aging.
Yeah, definitely.I don't feel it, though.I know I look it, but I don't feel it.How do you keep that?
Because that playfulness, yeah, is so important for what you do.You need to keep childlike, really, to do what you do, in a way, don't you?
Oh, don't get me wrong.I am fucking annoying to live with.
I believe you're a middle-aged man.Of course you are.
Literally, because I'm up first as well. I brought my other half, Marmite, on toast and a cup of tea in bed.The rough does come with the smooth, though, because I was singing and I do play music and I am quite cheery and none of them are.
Even my cheeriest daughter isn't that cheery.
What does your partner do?What does she do for work?
She's a teaching assistant at school.
Ah, so you both have links into schools with your talks and your work and her actual, her actual proper job.
Her actual proper, I mean, she's got the rough end because I am like the fun uncle.I do get to go into schools for an hour, hype them up, whip them up into a frenzy and then say, whoop, they're yours.
Whereas my other half, she's there for the long term and she has to put up with all of the grief and all of the issues and everything.
I just get the, I'm at the front of the assembly, here's your fun comedian slash author who's going to entertain you for an hour and do some drawing with you and tell you about his book and get kids high-fiving you.
You're the anti-teacher, like the anti-Christ comes in.
Yeah, kind of.So yeah, she kind of does look at me like you don't get the real side of it.They see you come in and they're like, oh brilliant, whereas I get the real kind of, this is what these kids are like every day.So yeah.
Yeah, my kid's stepmum is a teacher and both my parents were teachers, so I am familiar with the life of an actual educational professional.And how old are your girls now?
They're 15 and 13. The teenage, but the 15 has been 25 since she was five.The one who we had the trouble with at birth.
The one who enabled you to ditch the day job.
The one who enabled me to ditch my day job.She's always been striving to do what she shouldn't do.She's always wanted to do what older kids are doing, even now. I'm not going to go into anything.
I respect that as a similarly minded teenager back in the day.
Yeah.I don't know whether it is the first child thing, although I'm the second.
Very similar to my second, who is definitely the one who is a lot more laid back and can make you laugh without even trying to just say something and have a look and you crease up.
The other one is very funny, but just in a very different way and a lot more of a kind of a considered way, whereas the second one is just a bit more clowny and a bit more off the cuff.
But yeah, the first one is, they're both like me in a lot of ways.The first one is very, like I said, very measured and you don't want to argue with her because she will win. Whereas the second one will just be like anything for an easy laugh.
She'll let you win.She'll be like, bah, fine.
It's funny how different they are, isn't it?If I say chalk and cheese, you all have a gag on it.But it's funny how they come out of exactly the same gene pool.And we think we bring them up the same, although we don't.
Because by the second one, we know a bit what we're doing.And we look back at some of the things we did with the first one.We're like, oh, I wish I'd known that.Yeah, I don't know if it's been the same for you.
Didn't lock the second one in the cupboard.
Here we get our game on by the second one.But it amazes me, my tour absolutely could not be more different in every possible way.
What's the age gap between your two?
I've got 27 and 24-year-old.So yeah, 27-year-old zookeeper and a 24-year-old who I suspect I'm slightly alarmed but also proud to see.I think she's really following in my footsteps.I was a kind of TV exec.
not much older than her and she's now doing stuff, yeah, working in that field and quite ambitious.
Even though I've kept trying to tell her, she remembers the years when I was at MTV and Comedy Central and by then she was like a teenager and she would get to go to award shows and premieres and she thought it was really glamorous, which it was, but there was a price I paid, but you know, because you were in a similar field.
There's a price you pay for the seeming glamour that is a heavy price.
Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?With all things, with books, with comedy, there is that social media, there's the veneer of glamour that we put on it because we have to show to our followers how glamorous the lifestyle is.
But when you're actually following me around, It's the swan's legs underneath the surface, furiously paddling.
It's interesting you say that because I, yeah, I do wonder, well, you certainly put effort into the stuff that does well, your stuff always does well online and rightly so.
But I always feel like a bit of a con that I have a decent number of followers literally just for pointing a camera at my face and talking shit.I mean, I do think it through a little bit, but it is fairly lazy.
And then people like you are doing these incredibly crafted, brilliant things for like, you know, like Richard Franks, I think deserves all the success he gets for his mum videos because they're so clever and they're
you know, whereas in Alleywood, some people, they're putting effort in and your stuff is not effortful in that it feels like, oh, that was an effort, but it's beautifully done.You're not cutting corners on what you put out into the world.
It does take a lot of thought and a lot of I think that's the, with all of these things, whether they're effortless or not, I think they all have a thought or an idea behind them.
It just so happens that my ideas tend to require throwing food or carving croissants.
And editing.Yeah, editing.I mean, I get annoyed if the captions don't load quickly on Instagram.I'm like, for God's sake, whenever I do multilingual ones, you can't use the caption.The caption thing won't let you do that on Instagram.
It just ignores it.It's racist, but I should do one about that.
it is racist, it won't, it won't, anything that's not British, the sort of Queen's English, if I speak Dutch or French or whatever, it literally just disregards it, it's like you didn't say that, and you can't get the caption and literally will just not let, and it won't let you write it in, it won't let you, it's like that is not okay.
it won't do multilingual captions, so I'm lazy about that, let alone, yeah, let alone making the effort you do.
Would you, your ideas, so you're, I mean, I'm always fascinated by one-liner, people who can do one-liners, because I don't and can't, so that, that I always think, do they come to you, would you sit and, I don't know how you begin to be a one-liner, not that you are a one-liner, but
But you do great one-liners.
I do one-liners and I like to mix it up with weird stuff and kind of semi-observational things but it's kind of almost observation in one line.But the one-liners that I come up with, if I want to come up with a one-liner, I can work on it.
I can sit and work on it, and I have done that.But that is hard work.It tends to be now that they come to me.So for example, there was one last night, which I tweeted this morning, which was, I mean, it's a real kind of child-friendly joke.
Because I'm in this mode, this mindset of coming up with a children's joke book.It was, which knight can find anything?Search engine.Oh, I messed that up.Search engine. Search engine.Search engine.There we go.
I'll have to get my teeth.So how would you write that then?You will write it as search engine on the basis of... S-I-R.Yeah, but as in you're writing the book, will it be written as search engine or search engine?
Yeah, search engine.It's quite a weird one, but I put that on.That's great.
Yeah. Do you have, I know you've got, how many, because I find Twitter is just an absolute kind of graveyard for me.
I just, I've been stuck at the same, for me, TikTok and Twitter just are, I maintain, apparently that's not bad because lots of people are dropping off, particularly on Twitter, but I maintain on those, but all my other platforms grow, grow, grow, grow, grow, and I just can't get it.
I think someone said to me, it's like a T-shaped graph, that we all have one, which is the really big, if it was a bar, if they were bar charts. We have one that is our homeland social media platform and the others never quite compete.
Well it used to be Twitter for me and I still do put stuff on Twitter and it now feels like if something does well on Twitter then it really must be. because Twitter is such a dead... It's so dead, isn't it?
Yeah, I've just looked now.That's had 12 retweets, which actually isn't that bad.
No, I, on Twitter, if I ever got 12 anything, whereas on Instagram or TikTok, you're expecting thousands or it's nothing.
Yeah.I put something up online on Instagram this morning.It was It was a, it's like a remake.It's like I'm remaking all my old stuff.It was a remake of the Aha video that I did.Do you know the sketchy Aha video?Of course I do.
Anyone my age knows that video.Morton, what was he called?Morton Harkett.
Morton Harkett, yeah.Morton Harkett.So it's basically me in that sketchy style, picking my nose, It's all kind of done in mime.I look at my finger as though there's a bogey on there in disgust.I kind of look to myself, what can I do with this?
I put my hand up out of the frame, and then it cuts to the woman who is at her desk, at the table in the cafe, and the hand comes out of the table.And it's basically, it's meant to say, it's my hand with the bogey on.
She shakes hand with the hand, and then she kind of looks at it.So it's kind of cutting the actual video with my voice.
How long did that take to do, though?That must take forever.
That was one, oh, just playing it now, if you can hear that.Well, I did it quite a while ago.But again, because my likeness has changed so much, I am now bald, I thought, well, I can get away with doing that again.
And because I don't think I put it on Instagram, I think I did it when it was fine, because it lasts, looking at it, it lasts about six seconds.
But that must have taken a good couple of hours to kind of shoot it, put the sketchy filter on it, tie it all up, get the action, because there's about three or four different cuts in there.
But for something that is six seconds, I'm pretty sure the thing that I've just uploaded onto Instagram must be six seconds.Oh no, the thing I uploaded to Instagram is 16 seconds, so I might have made it longer.But yeah, it's...
That's on my Instagram if you want to see.It's had 128 likes.There you go.
Brilliant.It's funny how you, yeah, I slightly now I've got to know what things work.
So I know if I need one that's going to do, if I sort of need one that's going to do okay, I kind of know there are certain things I can do that aren't guaranteed, there is near to guaranteed that it will drive more.
you know, it will drive more interaction.So, but equally, then it becomes like a job, doesn't it?Like yesterday I was thinking, I haven't really done one and I should do one on this sort of theme, because I haven't done one like that.
And then I thought, no, you can't get, it's not like media planning in a broadcast job.It has to be, it has to be more fun than that.Or why are you doing it?
Yeah, that's, I know that if I was to do a Tees and Twos video, it would get a couple of hundred thousand likes or, Or if I was to do another one, so after the cheese of truth, I then came up with uncomplimentary pretzels.
I love that.I love that.Yeah, which is not a similar concept in a way.
It's a very similar concept.So apart from the fact that it's basically each time it's an insult.
So it was a chance to basically use the same concept where I throw a handful of pretzels onto a book and where the different holes are between the pretzels, it delivers an insult.
But for me, the creative thing was coming up with an insult that's quite funny.Stuff like, your face could scare slugs off cabbages. rather funny, I can't remember off the top of my head.
They're not proper trolley insults but also I love the idea obviously uncomplimentary pretzels because it is so, I love, I even love the phrase complementary pretzels it's such a stupid thing isn't it that we get complementary pretzels.
I was on an airplane and the complementary snacks were actually called lovely nuts which I thought I'm pretty sure I must have posted that at some point.
So that's up to, I would say, that is up to us, the consumer, to decide.How dare you tell me you're not so lovely?That is not, it's not within your jurisdiction.
But yeah, if I, if I post an uncomplimentary pretzel video or a Cheez-It or the other one, which I know always gets About a year ago, I got fitness influencers on Instagram.
I took their videos and I just put fart noises over the top of them when they were doing like stretches and lunges.So it was just like... And they go nuts as well.And I show those in my children's comedy that I do.
clips of those and kids just find that, adults find it hilarious as well.
The fart, the fart never loses its mystique.Your Old MacDonald Heard a Fart, was that one of your first picture books?
It was my first.It was originally Old MacDonald Heard a Fart because that sounds like farm and HarperCollins in their infinite wisdom said that the British ear was too sensitive for the word fart
It may have been that, or it may have been that the bookseller's shelves wouldn't want a book with the word fart on, which I thought at the time was lovely.
They'd be groaning under the fart upon them.
Yeah.But they changed it to part, but in Australia and New Zealand it is fart, and I think it outsold in Australia outsold the UK by something like three to one.
So thereby vindicating your original instinct.I think we can cope with fart in this country.Because your books, when you got into doing your books, is it true that you got the book deal with HarperCollins from a tweet?
So it was the power of Twitter, isn't it?As was.
That was.That was back when Twitter was curious.So I was illustrating. And I still do.I still do illustration for various companies and I get to travel quite a bit.I do a lot of live illustrations.
So if there's a boring corporate event, you do quite a bit of boring, thoroughly interesting corporate stuff.
Listen, I obviously am not boring, but the events one might say are not always the most scintillating.
Yes, I did.I did.I literally did a drawing job last week for a HR conference. And it's the third year in a row that I've done.
So they'll be doing their talk, and they'll have speakers, and they'll be talking about the future of HR and how AI will impact.And I'll be sat there drawing on my iPad, which will then be projected onto a screen.
Or sometimes they will have an actual canvas, and I'll be drawing live.
Oh, great.Thank God.I wish you'd been at every conference I've ever had to be at when I had a proper job.
So it's like making notes, but in pictorial form.Yeah, that's a great idea.
And making something funny of a dull subject.
Yes, quite a lot of the time it is slightly more dull subject.I do get to travel quite a bit with that, which is quite fun.So earlier on this year, I was in Thailand for a company, not necessarily boring.
It was a company that make, I'm sure you all know the brand of injectable toxins that make you look less wrinkled.
beginning with a B and ending in an X. So I did a job for them, which was quite a fun one, actually, because it was people talking about various products and fillers as well.
There's a filler beginning with a J. But as well as there being keynote speakers and people talking, there was actually this guy who was doing live demonstrations on... It was quite sad.
The next thing you turn up as a delegate, the next thing you know, you look like Joan Rivers.
Well, it wasn't that they were pre kind of vetted people who would turn up and they would have to kind of rate themselves out of 10 and they're all like, oh, I'm like five, I'm like six, on different categories.
They were like, okay, so on firmness, what do you kind of, oh, well, I'd say I'm like a six.
This is so depressing, isn't it?
And then they would do the like, okay, and now this guy would kind of talk around what he was injecting and where and
And then afterwards, like a few hours later, they would come back and then they would have to kind of, the audience would then kind of give the marks out of 10.And it was literally an eye-opener in some cases.
Yeah, literally an eye-opener.Also, from what I know of such things, they also don't immediately give you, if you do those things, I think they take time anyway, they don't immediately, I may be wrong, I thought they didn't immediately do it.
No, they did immediately have effects in some of these cases.
You could have come back as a 22-year-old.
Yeah, I mean I quite like, I've got lots of nice kind of wrinkles and my favourite one, I was talking the other day about my favourite one, is this one here between my eyebrows.It makes it look like I've got a bum.
Yeah, bum head.You're a bum head.
That's there whether I frown or whether I smile, I can't get rid of that.
It's funny because it looks like a frown, it doesn't look like a frown because your face and your demeanour is very cheerful.It looks like a scarf.
Yeah, but this I think is, there is still a real disparity in the world about men looking kind of rugged and wrinkled when I've lived life and women are still not celebrated very often for that.So there's, you know.
Yeah, being the dad of daughters, it's quite, it's quite worrying, not worrying, it's quite,
interesting to know what kind of opinion to hold on that because on the one hand things like social media, not so much magazines these days because I don't think my kids have ever read a magazine, but back in the day it would be magazines, that would be the
the body image kind of, that's where these are the people I look, I want to look like.And nowadays it is all social media.But why, why is it men are rugged and don't necessarily care as much?
I mean, it's a sweeping generalisation, whereas sweeping generalisation, women do care more.
Well, though society asks us to care more, for sure.
And I do think there's, I mean, there's a whole thing about anti-ageing, like should there's a whole movement, which you may or may not be aware of, online about banning anti-ageing as the description of products, because that implies
that we shouldn't be and they're targeted at women and the implication is if you actually are looking your age you need to use more cream as opposed to maybe I do notice with my well yeah my children and in particular my daughter to try and
make sure that compliments are about who she is, what she says, how big her brain is, the thing she does as a parent.I mean, I will say she looks nice.
I'll definitely say, you know, she said, I'll say you look great, but try and really make sure that I'm not overly and if ever, I mean, I don't know if you've had this with your daughters yet, but if ever my daughter's like, you know, I think I've gained a bit of weight, you know, I just,
I, you know, well, I always just say, you look absolutely perfect.And let me tell you, you're going to look back.You are as young and good looking as you're ever going to be.Every day, every day you're going to get older.
But yeah, you think, I don't know about you, but if I look back, if I, even when I look back at myself starting out in comedy at 45, I think, I look back now, I'm like, God, you look so young, you're this, you're that.
And at the time, you know, we've got to remember when we're 70,
We'll be looking at ourselves.
No, well, maybe not today in a well-lit kitchen.We've talked about some of your amazing moments, but what would you pick then, Olav, as your namaste motherfucking life-changing moment?
Oh, I think it's probably got to have to be the birth of both my children.I think, in different ways, they both changed the course of my life from, yeah, jacking in a job and then starting comedy.
And then just the kids' books that I got into was because I had kids and I was reading them books.I've always been in that kind of silly brain mode, but now I had kids to kind of really use that stupidity to entertain.
Now, obviously, they're at the other end and I am cringe.
But there was that... That's in the job description.
There was that Halcyon sort of moment where I was the funniest man alive.So yeah, they would definitely be my moment, would be those two.Sure, I'm trying to think if there's...
It's funny that you say having kids, lots of people do say having kids was my life-changing moment, but not everyone.It's literally also because it changed your life on each occasion.
It wasn't just the birth of the children, which is obviously seismic, but it literally led to change.
The old MacDonald had a pup was literally, I mentioned earlier about walking the girls to school.I used to, so my other half would go off to work in her school and I would take my two and we would walk.And I was always trying to,
trying to entertain them and also trying out bits on them.And because my bits aren't necessarily as grown up as other comedians, I was thinking, well, wouldn't it be funny if Old Macdonald had a fart, but it was Old Macdonald heard a fart.
What would the different fart noises that different animals make sound like?And I was sort of saying, well, the cow fart would be quite flappy and a duck's fart would be, you know, ducks can be quite tight.
So we'd be walking along going, and on his farm he had a duck with a here and a there, and all the other mums and dads would sort of be looking at us three going, oh my God, there's those three nutters.
And then I got an illustration job, cancel on me, and it was booked quite a while in advance, and they canceled quite late.So I basically had a week relatively free, and I'd had this idea,
running around in my head and it was actually when they started singing it in the playground and the dinner ladies got sick of them singing it in the playground and other kids were singing it so they banned Old Macdonald Heard a Fart from the playground and as soon as that happened I thought well I've got to do something with this.
You know you're onto something when you're banned.
Yeah I thought well I'll make it into a book and when this illustration job got cancelled I thought well into publishing, I didn't really know anything about it.
I knew it was tricky to get into, but I thought, well, I'm going to draw the cover, what I thought the cover should look like.And then I thought, well, I'll draw the first spread.And what I wanted, in my head, I wanted it to be instructional.
So on every spread, if you had the cow or the goat or the horse, it would show you what you need to do with your mouth to make that fart noise.And there's a little panel underneath.So I drew the first spread, which was the duck.Was it the duck?
That might have been the second one.I can't remember.But there's a little panel that says for the duck one, you have to make your mouth small and tight, like the knotted end of a balloon.And then rather than breathe out, you suck in.
So it's a here and a there.And then other descriptions are, I think one of them is you have to, I think it's the pig fart.You have to grip your tongue between your teeth, your back teeth. like that.And then you kind of blow out the sides.
So each one comes with a specific mouth action.So I did like three or four spreads of this to get the idea across.And then it got to the point where I'm like, this is great, but where's this going?
I don't know what to do with this once it's made or if I could plough ahead and do the whole book.So I thought, well, I'm going to upload what I've done onto Twitter and say, look, I have this idea for a book.
If anyone knows anyone who can help me out or any pointers to publishers, let me know.And I did this just before I was going into a gig in Kentish Town.It was in a basement.
I'm in Kentish Town right now.
I can't remember where it was.It might have been Aces and Eights.I was with, do you remember a guy called Michael Stranny?
So me and Michael, we did an Edinburgh show together.We did a couple of shows together before I started doing my own hour-long ones.And we were at a gig together and I showed him the idea and I said I was going to tweet it.
tweeted it and we went down to the gig, came back out and I think it had about a couple of hundred retweets.And then I'd also had messages, direct messages from agents and from publishers.
So, yeah, and it all happened within the space of like 24, 48 hours.
Well, good things happen in Kentish Town, that's all I'll say, you know, it's got a good energy.
And that was, yeah, so ultimately that was from walking my kids to school. and trying to make them laugh.
Yeah, wow.I love that.I love the origin story of Old Macdonald.Let's call it Heard Afart.And as the king of the one-liners, you don't have to pick a one-liner, but what is your favourite joke?
Ah, the one that I tell in my kid shows, I did tell it in my grown-up show at Edinburgh.So I do a kid show and then I do, I don't want to call it an adult show because that makes it sound rude, like sexy rude.
Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot of crossover between the two.But one of the jokes And this was a joke that, so Jared Christmas does a kids show as well, the Mighty Kids beatbox show.
Another bearded guy with a kids show.
Yes, the last Edinburgh, he didn't do it this Edinburgh just gone, but the year before he was there with a guy called Hobbit who does beatboxing and it's kind of improv and he said that there's one part in their show where they invite kids to tell them a joke
And he said, you could tell the kids that come to his show after coming to mine, because they would always say this one joke of mine.And the joke is, what do you call a Spanish man who hides inside your toilet?
What do you call a Spanish man who hides inside your toilet?
Oh, come on, that is a kid classic.That's going to run and run.
And it has become to the point where that now is almost like people are saying that like it's been around forever.It was quite a highlight actually.My Edinburgh show this year, just gone in August, the very last day we had a girl with a deaf girl.
So we had a girl who was on stage next to me signing. And there's a video of her having to sign the senior bum hole jokes, which was great.Yeah, that's that's a that's a career highlight.
That's definitely that could have been one of your life changing moments.And if you could give one bit of life advice to anybody listening, what would it be?
probably say don't grow up but don't grow up too quickly or don't grow up in a hurry or do you always have to give a grown-up response to that question?
So in The Fast Show there used to be a character called Colin who was in the office who was like the office wacky guy.I don't mean be like him, I just mean is there a way of being more playful with a
with a problem or, and I guess that's all creativity, is being more playful.And I find that there is a thin line between not growing up and being playful and solving problems and being creative.
I don't know if you've seen the new Tesco adverts, billboards, which I quite like.They are, it's just five items.The first one begins with the letter T, so it might be a tomato, then it's an egg, then it's some sriracha, then it's,
something, we get a croissant and then it's some oyster mushrooms and it just spells out the word Tesco and it doesn't have the Tesco logo on it, it just says Every Little Help, so I think there's another little bit of branding, but it's just quite nice and it's quite playful, it makes you have to kind of, ah, see what they've done there.
So even something like that is just an example of, not necessarily not growing up, just being a bit more playful.I think, there you go, that's probably it, be more playful.
was Olaf Falafel.We've put links to Olaf's books, his Trump croissant sketch and the other good stuff we talked about in the show notes so please do take a moment to take a look.
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You get addicted to things that kill you.
So I created The Shift to make a space to talk about everything from life, love, sex, to careers, confidence, mental health, menopause.I mean, seriously, if you want to walk about in your pyjamas for the rest of your life, we're invisible.
Each episode I speak to an inspiring woman about her shift, the second half of our lives.
I feel very strong and think I genuinely don't care what anybody thinks of me and that does come with age.
Join me every Tuesday wherever you listen to your podcasts.
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