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We get the behind the scenes scoop on their life, their experience, and what they're up to now.Leslie, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast.
Thank you.And I have to say thank you for saying my name correctly. Leslie, not Leslie.It's Leslie, not Leslie.OK, that's hilarious.Everybody says Leslie.
So when we were on Winter Games, our friend Dean was dating a girl named Leslie. And I was always like, you say her name's so funny, you say Leslie.He's like, isn't that the way it's supposed to be said?I'm like, I don't know.Is it?
It's like it's always been Leslie to me.And apparently not.
Well, I OK, I have a really good friend.Her name is. Leslie, like mine, except she hates being called Leslie.She wants Leslie.And I hate being called Leslie.I want Leslie.That's how I grew up.My family called me Leslie.
Every all my friends, you know, call me less, really.And so, yeah.So when it's kind of funny, the only two people I've heard say my name correctly is you and reality, Steve.
Oh, I thought you were going to say Gary.
Yeah. No, he didn't.He never got it.
He called me Leslie.He vacillated even after I told him.But whatever.OK.Got to jump into that.A year removed.What are your feelings towards Gary?Do you look at him now and think like, oh, totally get it.I was so in love.
Or are you like, what was I thinking?Or somewhere in between?Well, now it's the latter.
Yeah.How long did it take to get there?Pretty much like when I got to the wedding, I was done.I was like, no, no. I actually, you know, thought they're actually a perfect couple.That's what I was thinking, really.
So, you know, I was like, No, he's not for me.I mean, you know, you guys know you're in a bubble.And, um, you know, I mean, I've said this on other podcasts, Gary was very focused and kind and sincere.And I felt safe with him.
And I did feel my feelings with him. I totally did.But then you get out of that and you're going, yeah, that's probably not my person.
I tell you, speaking of the wedding, you and I had an incredible moment at the wedding.We did.I still get asked about it today.They said, hey, I saw you on TV and you were dancing with Leslie.
And I said, yes, it will go down as one of the most fun events actually I've had in all of my Bachelor Nation experience.That was a great wedding.And thank you for making it as little amount of awkward as possible.
I don't think people watching it understood.There was no music playing.They were like, hey, you two go dance together.And we're like, to what?And they said, just go dance.The music's playing.We're live.And so you and I, we did our thing.
And they told me I was dancing here.I'm like, oh, thank God, because if anyone can make me look better.
Because I'm so bad moves, dancing moves.
Yeah, because I'm so bad.
They're like, Leslie will look incredible.We just got to put Ben next to her because he's going to look like one of those machines at the car wash that kind of flops around.That is his move. It's going to be great.
Oh, I'm sorry.I was trying not to be the crazy older woman dancing with you, but it's hard because, you know, I'm like, you know, I don't know.
So funny.OK, so were you shocked when or like what were your feelings?I don't put words in your mouth.How did you feel when you found out that like 10 weeks after that wedding, they were getting divorced?
I was a little shocked, but it was a little bit of a progression because after the wedding, then I, there was three times I was with Teresa and Gary after that.So it was like, Well, for sure, two times.
I don't know if they were at the men's hall, but I was at the men's hall, or the women's hall, the finale of Joey's season, and then Celebrity Family Feud.So it was kind of a progression.
And you know, Teresa and I were really good friends in the house.So we, after the initial getting home and whatever, we did, actually, she invited me to the wedding.She called me up and invited me to the wedding. Yeah.And she really wanted me there.
And so after that, you know, we kind of fell back into how we were in the house.And, you know, we were really close.And yeah, so it wasn't like a shock, like everyone else got shot.Yeah.Because I kind of, you know, heard things.
But I was shocked initially, like, really?I mean, yeah, I kept saying, why did why did you get married?
I know.Were you hearing things or were you witnessing things when you saw them together?
No, I wasn't really witnessing it per se. Um, I was hearing things and I guess, you know what, I guess they weren't, I didn't feel like they were as close as I would think they should be when we got together in person.
Um, I could see a little space between them and stuff, you know?Um, so I felt, you know, like it was maybe not working.
Yeah.It'll be interesting in the golden.And I want to hear your thoughts on it.I'm saying, and it's interesting.I want to hear your opinion.It's, it'll be interesting now as the golden franchise continues.
If the show also, um, tries to do these expedited weddings, like they did.I mean, they did it with Trista and Ryan when I was the bachelor, they attempted to do it with me.
The problem was we weren't together, so it didn't really work out that well for them.Yeah.
I wonder, just in general, if the show would be better off doing this like a year later, giving it the time to kind of settle out, shake up, but they try to make it so fast that it feels like it puts too much pressure on these couples.
Yeah, and I agree. If say it was ended differently and Gary had picked me, I would have absolutely no way agreed to that.I just know I would have not done it.
If they say here's a million dollars to get married.
Well, it wasn't a million.
I know, but if it was, because that has been a number that used to be used for these weddings.They said, here's a million dollars and we're going to cover your wedding and cover the expenses of your family and friends getting there.
You just have to get married like two months after this thing stops airing.You would have said no.
It's a hard question.I mean, yeah, who doesn't want a million dollars, but who wants a third divorce?That is not my goal in life.
OK, well, it's only 500,000 after taxes, so I wouldn't know if I would do it for that.
I don't know.I mean, I would try to hopefully make money another way.I don't know.I just or negotiate for further like, can we do it in eight months?You know, I just I, I feel it's just too soon.And, um, you know, it's too soon.
So, you know, most really to get engaged.And then it's too soon to get married.You know, I mean, unless you are at love at first sight, and you fall in love and you know, I mean, you know, that this is my this is my person.
But if you are a little hesitant, I don't know.
I think you got to say no.Well, obviously you're coming off of the Golden Franchise as one of, if not the most recognizable cast member from this season.We have a lot of really great cast members and people who participate in the season.
They're great friends.They've been out there doing their thing. Um, two questions, but I'll start with this one.
What is it like to see this group of women kind of go off on this whole new journey after the show, you know, and see themselves kind of in this whole new light doing entertainment, doing hosting, all these things.
Yeah, I love it.I mean, I had no idea, like, you know, signing up and I mean, I knew because of course, I'm, you know, bachelor nation fan, but I didn't realize it was going to happen like that with us.And, um,
I really, you know, it warms my heart and makes my heart happy to see everybody have their kind of little segment, you know, Susan and Kathy and Sandra and, you know, Ellen and what Faith doing your hair color.I love that.I just love it all.
And it makes me really happy.And, um, You know, I think we're really good folks, people for our generation.And, you know, I think that as long as we can ride it out, I think, you know, why not?I think more power to us.
I like how you say Susan and Kathy in one breath, because that's how I say it, too.
They're like Siamese twins.
Yeah, I mean, they literally are together doing their things all the time.
They just had some thing done together as well.They're going to tell us about that themselves.They have some balls, man.
And energy, energy that does not exist by any other human at any age.
I just mean putting that out there for the world to see.I give them so much credit.But I think that we all have our lane.I would feel really weird doing that, but it wasn't weird for them to do it.You know what I'm saying?
I think we all have our lane, and I think we all have our following, and we are trying to cater to those people.So I think it's cool. We all have different segments of, you know, people that are fans.And I like that.
So I know that when Joan was announced as The Bachelorette, it was like lots of positive responses.She's done a great job.But I think there was a lot of people surprised that it wasn't you.How did those talks go with them?Assuming there was some.
I didn't have any talks with them.
Shocking to me.That's surprising to me that there wasn't a conversation. with you on, would you even be interested in this?And if so, how would, you know, how do you want this to work?
And there was never the initial phone call because when, you know, in the bachelor world, when you're the bachelor, you're talking to the person they probably are gonna choose, but also two or three others just to kind of have some people on the bench in case something happens.
I heard that.I heard that.I kept waiting, but you know, I think, They had something else in mind for me and it didn't pan out at the final hour.So it was a little disappointing because I was waiting and waiting.
Can you give us any insight as to what that could have been?Yeah, maybe like a dancing show.
Well, yeah, maybe dancing with the stars.
I think that's what they had in from me.And, uh, you know, I had an interview with dancing with stars and I was kind of waiting.Yeah.
Fun to see you on that.I think it would have been really good for, for you, but also for kind of the fans of the golden franchise to see you again, representing them.
And yeah, I mean, I love, again, I'm a huge fan of dancing with the stars and I watch it every single year.And when I had my interview, I just said, I want to be your oldest winner. I want to be our oldest winner.
And not to say that I was going to be, I mean, it's really hard to compete with 20, 19 year olds, you know.But I have the stamina, I have the drive, I've been training my whole life for this.
And it never gets past the older people, like the older people never advance.And it would have been nice to have somebody represent the older population. you know, because baby boomers are, we're at right now, you know?
So, yeah, but maybe someday, I don't know.
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If given the chance, would you have preferred Dancing with the Stars over the Golden Bachelorette role?
Just fits you more.I mean, was it would have got you more excited or fits you more?
It's it was a perfect it would have been a perfect fit for me.I think that I'm not saying I would have turned the Golden Bachelorette down.I wouldn't I don't think I would have.I just think that
Dancing with the Stars would have shown who I really am.I mean, they really have a chance to show who they really are and not the one-dimensional person you see 45 minutes a week because our show is so short.
I really wanted for the country to kind of like get to know me and who I am.Do you possibly think that Jen took your spot last minute? You know, I don't because I know that I don't know, but I don't think so.
Because, um, I think they, they, I know that they took from 14 people to 12 and Jen was an add on.She made 13.So I think she was last minute.Yeah.Okay. And, you know, she definitely deserved it.
And I was just there last week and watched her dance, and she was phenomenal.And Teresa and I went there together, rooting Joey and Jen on, and it was phenomenal.
But it was really hard for me to sit there going, oh, you know, you know, yeah, I don't know.I don't know who took my spot, but, you know, maybe it was Anna with the ankle bracelet.I don't know.
Yeah, see, that's what I was thinking, is there are some people this season where it'd been really fun to see you step into that.I do think three Bachelor contestants probably was an issue for them.
And at some level, that was the conversation that they had, was you can't have three people.As much as it would be fun to see that.So who knows?
The future still could be there where maybe they don't have a Bachelor or Bachelorette that maybe fits the Dancing with the Stars world.And they say, come on back. And then you'd be pumped and we'd be excited here.
I would.It would be my dream come true.But, you know, I kind of have to stay relevant and I don't know how that's going to happen.But, you know, you just don't I just don't know what's going to happen in the future.
But, you know, it was I got in shape and I worked out really hard this summer, you know, and it was yeah, it was it was exciting to think that it was going to happen.So maybe, yeah.
I know how you could stay relevant.How?You could date one of the guys on Jones season, like maybe Jordan.He's really cute.That was really good.
Sneaky little girl.Yeah, I guess.Is there something you want to ask me, Ashley?
I do.Are you dating Jordan?
No, I'm not dating Jordan.I met Jordan.Have you gone on a date with Jordan?No, I went on a meet and greet with Jordan.A meet and greet?
Pre-date?I don't know if it was a meet and greet.I don't know what you call it.Jordan had a suite at the soccer game in LA last week.His childhood friend is like the president of the club. And he had a suite and he invited me.
And I brought my girlfriend, Wendy, who I was staying.I stayed with her for one night in L.A.And there were some other guys in there from the show and some a producer that I love.And it was awesome.So you flew for it.No, I flew to L.A.
to go to Dancing with the Stars.Oh, OK. I just happened to be in L.A.a day early.It was weird timing.
I need clarity on this, though.
I knew that was what we were going to do.
Out of all the women who are a part of this franchise, why did Jordan ask you?Had you guys ever talked before this invite?Was their communications consistent enough for him to say, hey, by the way,
You told me last night as we were texting that you're gonna be in LA and I have been to have a suite and you should come with me.
I mean, we have been texting a little bit.
Did your voice just crack?I didn't know that was a thing as we got, I didn't know your voice could still crack when you get nervous.
How did you get the number?Okay, you guys, I mean, come on.Just because we're older doesn't mean we're stupid. OK, fun.
Same.It just because we're older doesn't mean we're stupid.We're reading through the lines here and saying it's it's not just a random invite to some suite.
We just want to hear that like there's a possibility in your future admitting that you have talked to at least one person from this season or that you watch this season with a intriguing eye going, hmm, he's interesting.
Yeah, I think that Yeah, I think I did.I like Jordan.When I was watching the show, I liked him the best.For me, like say for me, you know, I think all the guys are great.
I don't you know, I'm just saying if it was me, if I was the golden bachelorette, and I was and he was on that show. you know, you know how you think.
And, but you know, what's good for me isn't gonna be right for Joan or whoever else, you know, I think that's the beauty of those men there.I think they appeal to certain, you know, women, and I like that.Hopefully, they'll be some connections.
Jordan, I feel like we have a lot in common. I know that he's funny.I love funny.He lives in Chicago.I live in Minneapolis.He has a dog.I have a dog.I mean, stuff like that's important.And we're both Jewish.
And, you know, at the end of the day, that's important to me as well.I mean, it's not, you know, hard to stop.I have to have someone Jewish.But I mean, if you meet someone and they are, you know, your faith, that's just the icing on the cake.
So have you guys called and texted each other since this weekend meetup?
We have texted, yeah.I mean, not a ton, but a little bit.And, you know, it's really not... It's for me, I don't know where would it go if it's going to go.I just think he's a great guy and to be friends with him first is fine with me.
And, um, you know, that kind of thing.It's like, I don't need to jump into anything.I mean, he's got a whole year of this ride and I want him to enjoy it and I want him to experience it.And, um, I don't want to get in the way of that.
So, but I'm here as a friend and the key, you know, after he goes through all his DMs from all the women and the daughters and the sons.He knows where I am.But I mean, you do have a common bond when it comes to that.
I think he's probably like me where he's not uber religious, but you know, you are into your faith and more of the heritage thing and all that stuff.And yeah, so I don't know.I don't know.We'll see.
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Kind of switching gears, kind of not.The chapter after the show gets done, I think we all assume that
you know, it was similar to our experiences where you do get off the show and your DMs do blow up and, you know, you're going to these events and people are like, I wish you could meet my dad or I wish you could meet, you know, whoever.
Is that, was that your world?Is it still your world?Kind of give the listeners a perspective in what life looks like from the time, you know, you left the show to now.
Well, I did have a few of those.Not a ton. And then when I had, when they did do that, they showed me a picture of their dad and I'm like, Yeah, no, sorry.But there was one person, and this is kind of a funny story, I think I should share it.
But there was one girl that, and she was a doll.I mean, oh my gosh, she was gorgeous, and she goes, you need to meet my dad, and all this stuff.
So just, I'm cutting to the chase, but this man was in Miami, and my son and my grandkids were in Miami, and I had Zach go do a meet and greet for me.
I love this expression, meet and greet.Yeah.
The second time I've used it, I don't know.Maybe a recon, I should say.Anyways, with my grandkids in the Uber, they're going there, and I'm cutting a lot out. And so they meet this person and I'm sure he's a lovely man.
I did talk to him once on the phone or twice on the phone.He seemed like a lovely man, but I was like, you know, I kept saying, I don't know where my life is going to be.
And he kept saying, well, if you're the golden bachelorette, you shouldn't take it because I'm waiting for you.And I'm like, red flag, you know, stuff like that.And so anyway, Zach met him.
A lot of things kind of happen, but he gets back in the room and he FaceTimes me and he's in the middle of my two grandkids.And I said, so what do you think?And they both lean in.Glamour, not for you.Not for you.
Yeah.So anyways, that did happen.And I'm sure he's a really nice person.He just wasn't for me.Yeah.Yeah. But I, you know, I live in Minneapolis, I say this a lot, I've lived here my whole life.
And I call it a small, big town or big, small town, whatever.
And I know a lot of people even before this show, because I, you know, I was, I'm an instructor, and I teach a lot of people, thousands, I've taught thousands, you know, and I just know people.And there's just not a lot of,
You know, I don't want to date someone's ex-husband because I know them probably.And, you know, the Jewish community is small here.I mean, it's big, but it's small, you know, and I, you know, so that part is hard to find.
And I just don't find anybody here that I want to date.So I really, I can honestly say in a year I've been on two dates just once, like one date and then another date.
That's shocking to me. That really is, because you want to, right?You'd be down for it.
I do.Oh, my God.I am so ready for love.I mean, I'm just ready, but I'm not desperate.So there's that fine line.I have my family.My life is full.I have my grandkids. I go to concerts every week.I work out.I teach my classes.
I do a lot, but I do want somebody and I have been ready and I was really ready when I applied for the show.I mean, I've been literally divorced for 23 years.I've had a few long-term relationships, but I have been single for a long time.
We know that the show sort of pushes engagement on you.Would you want to get married again or would you just companions for life?
That's a hard question.I think I would want to marry the right person.I know that.I mean, but I want that companion as well.
I mean, if I found the right person and they said, I don't know if I want to get married, but it was the right person for me, I'd be completely fine with it.
if they if I find that person, they said, I really want to get married, I probably would if it's the right person.But I also like having my freedom.
And I love, you know, when the longer you're single, the harder it is to compromise a little bit, you know, I'm used to doing my own thing going where I want.And, um,
So I have to like scale it down a little bit and become one with somebody, but I'm totally ready for that.You know, I'm kind of open to anything.
So the open to anything question.And as we kind of wrap up here, the rumor is that the Golden Bachelor franchise might be trying to start a spinoff, maybe like a paradise type show.
If they called you and said, hey, we would love to have you part of this spinoff show, would that be a world you'd enjoy entering back into or would you stay away from it?
Hmm, that's a hard one.I would like to do it because I think it would be fun.And I know more now.I know to keep my mouth shut.No, but no, you're right.You know, you know, you know, you're just kind of like me.
And I tried not to be the loudest voice in the room in the house, but you know, then all of a sudden it just comes out.But I think that, and I would love to be with the girls again, you know, be with all the girls, that would be so much fun.
The scrutiny part is hard.The bullying online is hard.And that I would not miss. You know, and even though I don't even read half the things, I mean, I don't ever go on Reddit.I don't ever, you know, go on half these sites, but that would be hard.
But, you know, so it would be and it kind of would depend on where my life was at that time.If I'm single, I might want to.Yeah.
Don't let the negative opinions of others ever, ever stop you from doing something.You get very used to it over time and it becomes a nothing in your life, no matter what people are saying.
Natalie's had a talk me off the cliff sometimes and she really put it to me like where I could understand she goes there are millions of people that watch a show and the fraction that are commenting are like a pinhead.
And that really helped me because I've watched the show my whole life and I've never written under picture.I wouldn't even think about it, or my friends wouldn't.
So, um, so that really helped me and that really put me put the whole thing in perspective.So, yeah.
If this show does happen, we kind of can assume that Jordan would be on your list as the guy that you'd want to see there.Okay, you kind of admitted that.You were like, you know, I picked him for me.Now, can we play matchmaker for a second?
Who do you see together from your season and Jordan's season?
You know, I've been thinking about that and I actually, I think Faith and Jonathan would be really cute together.Yeah, I think she's a free spirit and that's, I don't know, they just came to my mind.I don't know about the others.
I actually think, I don't know what happens at the end, but if Guy doesn't get picked, I actually see him with Nancy. So I don't know.
I was going to ask about Nancy.
Sweet.Sweet.You know, we grew up in the same lake.We're neighbors growing up.
Really?Yeah.I did not know that.
She's sweet girl.Yeah.Amazing.Amazing.But, you know, Susan and Kathy, again, same breath.Yeah. You know, Jack, you know, there's him.I don't know.I mean, I, you know, I met I met Dr. Bob and Gil the other night in the game.
So I mean, they all they all seem very, very kind men.Very kind.
There's a lot of potential for this show.And I think we would all be super interested in what it would look like to see this mix match of contestants going down to the beach and seeing who would partner up with each other.
I think it could have wild success in terms of love.I do because I think there's a lot of freedom of choice and freedom of exploration. and excitement on these spinoff shows that I think everybody would enjoy.I'm pushing for it.
And if they ask you and you are single, I would highly, highly ask you to go because I'd love to see you on this spinoff finding, or at least exploring the idea of love again.
Yeah, the guys would love to see you there too.
I'd be open for it.I'll hit the Pilates a little bit stronger and I'll go.
Leslie, it is a absolute pleasure to have you here and we're so excited to catch up with you.We wish you the best and whatever life takes you, whatever direction life takes you in next, just know we are supporting you and we're happy to see it.
Yeah.Thank you, Ben.I can't wait to dance with you again.
And both of you guys, I love you both so much.Thank you.
Maybe 10 years removed from The Bachelor, I'll be asked to go back on Dancing with the Stars and we can compete.
Maybe they should have just a, you know how I feel.We should have a spinoff that's amazing race.Sort of amazing race spinoff.
That would be my other show I'd like to do.I just, cause I'm a doer.I'm a doer, goer, like a dog.
Well, this has been the Almost Famous Podcast.Until next time, I've been Ben.
We'll see you soon, y'all.
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