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Got the Dolphins at the Rams and running just a minute behind.Hoop was a little nervous to hop on here today after the MBS situation yesterday morning, but He's here.He's happy to discuss.We got Hoopster title.Hoop, bring you in first.
I did stick up for you.I will say this.All the times you turned Najee Harris from dust to gold and Dak from the worst to the best, people were a little hard on you for a guy that barely made the top 10 in the Millie Maker yesterday at 0.4% ownership.
I mean, I feel pretty good with my current position that MVS fucking sucks at football and can't really catch a football.So I feel good about that statement.I'm sticking with that.
Obviously pretty annoying that he turns into like Randy Moss for a slate and everyone's blowing me up, which it is what it is.I deserve it, but I'm gonna still stick
With the fact that MBS is not a very good football player, and he's not very good at actually catching a football.
And he's been cut by many teams, some of the best quarterbacks in the league throwing in the ball and never really retained a position on those rosters.So feel good with my position on MBS, no changes.
Yeah, I mean the the thing was we did the takedown breakdown.You guys can go check that out But at 0.4% he was on 900 lineups or so in the lottery.
Uh, he made the top 10 once it was in fifth place with an overstack of that game Not really many, but he not really anybody had the like perfect bijon mbs mini stack or secondary It was all in car stacks, obviously So at least they built it up that it made sense But like I was telling them you should be way more worried When a guy like bijon if you're way underweight on him or don't have any is crushing
at that kind of ownership, then you should be about a 0.4% guy hitting.It was just funny for the bit of the show, but title bring you in like the hat looks fresh.We all get the same hat on today.I think it looks good, man.
So the hair is hidden, but what's going on, man?How are you?
Yeah, I'm doing well.This was not planned as well, but I mean, man, I'm BS.The first one, I just couldn't help, but just completely laugh.The Homer Simpson, the bushes.The second one is GGs though, man.Of course, Steve, that's what's gambling does.
Of course, the guy had to bring it up at the end of the show.
for who but yeah it was a i mean it was an interesting sunday a couple things that stood out it was all in that buccaneers san fran game a baker stiff arm on bosa to extend the play that dude was completely balling so so fun to watch second screw devo that dude should never be a captain on a team i don't care how many kicks you miss that is not the way to approach it and shout out that long snapper
That takes some balls man to stick up to a guy like debo.He went after moody.He stuck up for his kicker kicker Shout out long snapper.
That was cool to see Yeah, I like that call the uh, what was the second one?You just said you made me think of something What was the second one you said?
Oh You know like everyone knows what a stiff arm is that was like holding Bosa arm as he kept moving and then made that that was incredible.Definitely.I always
You know, I'm hard on Baker and good for him showing out and doing his thing still, um, seems to be to no avail, but overall great season for him and good for DFS.
But that was an incredible and just crazy play all around and wild day out there completely.So hoop, any, uh, any other thoughts on yesterday's slate before we hop into this one quick, we got the, uh, the dolphins at the Rams.
We'll get to everything as usual.
It was kind of a weird slate.I mean, I, you guys obviously to the numbers on the review overall, pretty low scoring.I mean, a lot of just mediocre type performances.
Um, but the one thing that definitely stands out is man, Aaron Rogers and the jets are terrible, man.They're bad.I mean, they are, they are not very good.Like that was pathetic. Um, it's gotta be over for him.Like he can't, they can't move.
Like there's just, there's just nothing there.And like feeding Devante Adams, like when they're down by like three touchdowns at the end, I thought that was kind of weird.
Like that's definitely the, the, uh, thing that stood out the most is man, the jets.Like if you make a move like that, like bringing in Devante Adams, you better make sure you're like this close to being good.Right?
Like this is the guy that's going to make it all work, like to bring him in and they look probably worse.You fired your head coach.Like you, you look even worse.Now it's man.The jets are done.
Yeah, it was bad Rogers.That was another one of the games.It was crazy to, uh, you'll round up the slate.Shout out to our guy, the dirty chic who's who's in discord, turning $600 into 140,000.He was down the stretch.
He had second in the one 50 power sweep, the three max for 40 K. And he was winning the a hundred dollars single entry with a hundred K up top and kind of like the perfect run out.
But then you cut, you also had to be scared at the end of that Philly Dallas game because both those ones were blow.It's Arizona took out all their starters.The jets were really just not moving it anywhere or getting anything done.
And then the, uh, the Trey Lance situation, he appears in this guy's all of a sudden got to start sweating the Philly defenses.Cause they're getting after him pretty good too.So Yeah.
I do wonder if title is a questioning his bed after that lion's wind yesterday.I mean, five interceptions from golf and still get the wind.
It was the same thing as Lamar on Thursday.They got down early.I got tagged from people in discord.Oh, three 500 for who? still won the game.I mean, no, I'm not.Hey, give me Lamar over golf any day when it really matters most.So, what?
Wait, when it really matter, have you seen Lamar in the playoffs?
I have.It's a very small sample size.I will trust, I will trust the eye test of what I believe and I don't think it's close.Who you'd rather.
We're on the same page title.No homer.
The little sample size that you've seen a couple times.
The team that disappoints you every season.You're saying you're still taking that quarterback.
Absolutely.This is a new Ravens team. to a
That's one thing though, man.Like I had tweeted it, but it's the truth.When he is off, he looks just like so bad.Like he was, it wasn't even the interceptions.He was like spiking the ball into the ground, like throwing the wide open receivers.
Like it looked like drunk or something.Like it was not, it was not good.And yeah, when he's off, it looks very, very bad.So that is something that's, that's definitely concerning.
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Can't spell golf without off.And you also could have Jared Goffel.It just got awful.It's definitely certainly a thing to think about, but that's what it was last night.Go ahead, Title.Sorry.
I got nothing, I was just laughing.I mean, yeah, I think it'll be a good bet.Like you said, the NFC is weaker, which is, of course, why it's closed.But if they're playing each other and I know that, give me the Ravens all day.
So that's what balanced it off.It's a good bet.It'll be fun to sweat through.Yeah, for sure.
Jared Goff's the biggest fraud of quarterback in the last.
I like the craziest thing.I'm not even going to like defend.I'm not going to defend that statement.Cause I actually, I don't think golf is all that good.I just think everything around him, like their defense is very good.
Their offensive line is very good.The running backs are very good.Uh, uh, Manra and Jamison Williams are very good.I think he's definitely one of the weakest parts of the lions team for sure.So I don't actually fully disagree with that statement.
This may come across the wrong way, but we're going to move to this game, the Dolphins at the Rams.And funny enough is like Stafford and golf are two guys.I always confuse, not confused.Cause I know who they are and their teams, their football.
And it's like, is that the same for Stafford?Because Kyron will, you know, um, Kyron Williams, Cooper cop, who couldn't a cool, like all these dudes around him.Pretty solid.You know, the, the spot that they're in looks pretty good.
It's like when he was putting up all those big numbers, I mean, it's literally, Hey, like, uh, we're down by. I'm just gonna chuck it to Calvin Johnson.
He's gonna catch it against three guys and all of a sudden he's put up 300 yards and three touchdowns.Stafford is not a good quarterback either, so.
Yeah.So, and I mean, come, come from the same class, same team, all that stuff.I mean, that's what I was making fun of.Um, it was Flacco versus Josh Allen.And I was saying, uh, Josh Allen is like Joe Flacco Jr.
It was basically the same, like it's the same type of thing.Like Flacco's older.So it's funny, even though obviously Allen much better on paper for right now.
But I mean, realistically Flacco got the MVP, the Superbowl, all that we haven't seen Allen get there and do that yet.So,
Uh, it just was funny that that back and forth game just throwing picks non-stop, Darnold seeing Ghost and then Goff to round out the slate.So we'll see, Hoop.Maybe it's a defense slate tonight.
This is the way it's been all weekend, but I'll start with you.What's your, your grand scheme overview here, Hoop?I know we're waiting on Tyree Kill News.That's the big piece of this slate.But then other than that, what's, uh, what's your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty big news.I think for the sake of this show, we probably mostly assume that he's in.Do you guys agree with that?Like, it seemed like he's probably going to be in.
I mean, game time decision, they said, but as long as you guys are good with that, I think we should proceed with that assumption. Yeah, I agree.I think it's right.So, I mean, with the one caveat, if he's out, then yeah, it's a big downgrade to Tua.
Waddle's going to get a boost.You know, anyone that potentially catches a pass for Miami is going to get a boost and then more value is going to come into play.But the overview for me, I think it's a really good spot for the Rams here.
And like, I mean, what are they favored by? What is it, like three or something, three and a half?I haven't really looked at the spread, but two and a half, full strength, Puka, Cup, Williams, obviously Matthew Stafford.
I just think it's a really good spot for them to do some damage offensively.Miami is always a team that's typically better at home opposed to on the road.And their season's kind of in disarray, the Rams have a chance to turn it around.
The, the Rams here in this game, if you are betting, which, you know, we're not, we obviously don't cover sports betting a ton, but I think this is a spot for the Rams.
Offensively, in terms of like captains, which we'll get into in a minute, I'll probably end up being Rams heavy because I just think the Rams get the job done here.
And Puka, Cup, Kyron Williams, I think one of those three has a very big game and is the captain you need.So we'll talk through it, but I think it's a really good spot for the Rams.That's my one big takeaway before we dive in.
Yeah, we never talked about it.It was a good week for us.We had the New England Patriots to cover and win, and they got the job done.We had Mike Tomlin off a bye versus a rookie quarterback.Gets the job done there.
So, I mean, a couple good call-outs in the sports betting frame.But, Title, I'll get your thoughts.Like, definitely perceiving, at least I am as well, with Hoop.I think we all are on the same page with the Tyree Kill stuff.Good news.
is if he doesn't play, we'll know plenty of time in advance.We cover it in the discord.We got inactives pretty much immediately.We update all the content within the next 10, 15 minutes, update the discord, let them all know.
And we'll be covering that, but I don't think there's any reason to do an if then as much today as there is on a certain other slates when it's really unsure.
Yeah, I agree.And I think it's a You always talk about, are you really excited?Do you have to get talked up for the slate?I've been indifferent to it.I think it's a pretty good one in the fact of it's gonna be relatively spread out.
We have seven players that have a touch on prop better than plus 200, which is interesting.Two and a half point spread, not bad.48 and a half total.
Pretty high would be what, the third highest on the slate if it was full week behind the Bucs game and then the Ravens on Thursday night. And with the captain ownership being spread out, it's an appealing game that way.
The thing is when we get to like value and stuff, I think it's going to get pretty condensed on certain people.And when it comes to our captains, I think I'm going to be more concentrated than I will not be.I think I got six.
in mind which I guess is six even concentrated who knows but if you're playing like 50 60 teams and you play six you can get pretty overweight on all of them so I think that's how I'm gonna be values a little tough up top though you're gonna have to get the guys right Stafford 86 above all the way up to Kyron a lot of those guys look very similar I think that's obviously what's going to be the difference today.
Did you see someone talk about the news?Caleb Williams won't be benched.Someone reminded me yesterday.Remember this guy wanted to have ownership in a team?That was literally the funniest thing.Thinking back on it now, it's so early in his career.
Shouldn't the guy, it's obviously just funny that you think like you see that stuff and your immediate reaction to it.Hoop, anything on that one?
Yeah, I think it is funny.
It's like man, these kids out of college is like when you're on a college campus and you're starting quarterback like that with a good team like you're the you're the big dog like you're the man and like to make those statements coming into the NFL draft.
Yeah, he's getting humbled pretty quickly and then maybe maybe he will be good long term.Who the hell knows?But this year man, it's not looking good.He's had a couple good games.
A team is falling off a cliff like rather quickly and he has not looked good either and he's got weapons too. he doesn't have anyone to throw the ball to.Keenan Allen has been great throughout his career.DJ Moore, solid.
He has opportunities, but it's looked bad.
Yeah, just has not been good.So yeah, we'll talk about this, Sean.
Who's their backup?Do they have a reasonable backup to go to? For Chicago, I don't even know who it's for.
Is it Badgett or whatever he says?
Whoever it is, probably look better than, you know, what the guy got going on.
Yeah, Tyson Badgett, it is him.Yeah, he sucks too.
That's a good story.Yeah.
I was just going to say, Sean, I mean, Sean's always in here grinding, appreciate him.And a member over at Chippen Nation, love to see it, but said, I don't know if you mean S-E or S-D.
It could be both, but I will say every slate when it's single entry is tough because you get one shot.
Especially for showdown when there's, yeah, showdown for sure is very tough for single entry because there's not like the big time leverage pivots at every position.Like when you're playing a main slate, you can find leverage, you can find pivots.
Here you're dealing with a finite number of plays.
Okay.Yeah.It's both, but yeah, it's off, but when it's single entry and that's a good segue into the captain's hoop, I'll start with you.Um, you know, condensed captains tonight, you said mostly Rams.That's what makes it tricky, right?
If you've got a single entry or even in a three max and you've got to pick, um, you know, which, which guy's going to be my captain and I'm going to play two in one and one in the other.
If you have three, if it's single injury, you got to just pick one.That's what can make it a little bit tricky.So you gotta be careful.Um, you know, know your stuff before going in and said, in the sense of mindset,
probably going to lose a lot more than you're going to win.But when you win, hopefully, you win enough to pay it all off and more.And then the other side of it is, is just bankroll management.
If that just gets you to the next slate, playing it that way, then that's the best thing for you because you'll be sustainable, be able to be around for when you do hit it on the head and get it right.
But go ahead, Hoop, you can take us into the captains first.
Yeah, I mean we're going to start start this segment how we usually do and then we'll see if we come full circle like we have a few times this year.But like the quarterbacks, I just don't have much interest in in either of them.
Stafford or to the Stafford.The reason for Stafford just man he tends with Cup and Puka tends to like lock in on one and that guy is getting like a shit ton of targets.So like I feel like if Stafford has a big game, either Puka or Cooper Cup,
So it's part of the reason why I'm not super interested in the Stafford stuff, but very interested in Puka and Cooper Cup.I think they're both phenomenal plays up top.
If I think the Rams have a chance to absolutely pound the dolphins here, I have to have some interest in Kyron Williams, but I definitely prefer the pass catchers over him.
On the Miami side, I think you can definitely take a look at HM 9400 in the flex in the captain.He's sitting at 14 one like he can get there and all sort of game scripts.We've seen big time reception games out of him.
So if they are trailing, I think he's he could obviously benefit.And then if Tyreek does play, what sort of ownership are we showing on him in the captain?Let me see.Where's that at?Captain ownership 10 or 11.
I'm guessing that probably comes down a little bit with this injury tag, but I don't even know if I'll get there to be honest with you.I prefer Cup and Puka over him.And then A-Chan.So my three favorites, I think by far Cup, Puka, A-Chan, and then.
Kyron Williams, so those would be the four that I focus on the most if we're mostly assuming Tyreeks in if he's not Maybe guys like waddle come into the mix a little bit But yeah, I'm gonna be very very condensed up top most likely unless you guys kind of talk me on to some of these other guys
I'm having a hard time selling anybody on quarterbacks today.Let's go.
All right.I'm excited to hear that.Very, actually very excited to hear that.
The thing is with the Stafford side is that he could still spread it out when you have guys like Robinson and Atwell.I know Whittington's back in the mix now and tight ends that he could.So if I was going to one, it's Stafford.
He'll just be on my lower end of what I'm doing tonight, but it's really hard to get to the two aside because. It's just, it's going to be likely that it's a Tyreek having a big game, a Chen having another big game with which he has continued to do.
And we'll get to that.I'm sure title.
We'll talk about them in a second, or they, you know, with Tyreek missing some practices and stuff like that, or, or limited and whatnot, they just get waddle more involved than we've seen the waddle to touchdown games.
So maybe it is something like that.So
Um, you know, if you want to go to someone cheaper john, who smith the chat mentioned it I guess would be fine But I don't have a lot of interest there and and I and I get a little bit more room for those guys If I play less or none of the quarterbacks So certainly something how to have fun anytime anywhere step one go to chumba casino.com chumba casino.com Got it.
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I got to think about, as that there was said, I saw something else too.Richard Payton.We saved this for the end of shows.We already did the whole D-Wade statue breakdown before, so we'll get to that.
That's going to end up turning into the grandma's wheelchair, obviously, where you're going to ban it here pretty soon.
Yeah.So I want to address something though.Cause you know, this is, this is the thing.This is factually right, but overall wrong.And it's not calling up my dude.We love go collect.I just want to explain this to everybody.
That's why when we bring the stone up on this one, try and show you why you would want it for the main slate. He is a slightly higher leverage than Kyron Williams, but Kyron Williams is the best.
He's almost double the chance to be optimal in the captain than Stafford, and it's almost the exact same leverage.So it's not Stafford.Even though Stafford shows good leverage and could be even better, there's other things in the fold.
What if he comes in at 10% on?What if Kyron only comes in at 15% on, sorry, which is 15 instead of 16.So there's other ways to look at it, but just want to let you know that.
Yeah, at least you could do is hit the like button, shout out to my guy, Canadian, could be Travis, and we'll keep it moving.But Tytle, I'll kick it to you, your thoughts.I mean, I just have a hard time selling you on these quarterbacks today.
Yeah, good, because I wasn't, I didn't like him really anyway.I'm the exact same as you guys.The one sneaky guy that I had him play, and I guess it's not as sneaky as I thought, was the chat was saying, it's John New Smith.
His snap count keeps getting higher in the last six games, eight, seven, six, six, in terms of targets. If you're looking for a John Metchy of yesterday or whatever, I think he's the one.Again, value is really tough.
Don't just play John Smith captain and zero it all out.But you can leave 2K with John and make pivots elsewhere, a Tyreek down to a waddle or something.I mean. that's kind of out there, but Tyreke to a chain, whatever it may be.
Get different at Captain that way, but other than that, the reason I'm mentioning John New is Cooper Cup, Puka, Tyreke if he plays in a chain, and I think that's all I'm rolling.John New would be the fifth there, spend tough scenes for Waddle.
Quarterbacks.Yeah, especially you're the whisper and you don't like it.
I didn't like it coming in So I think that's pretty and then Kyron's the last one I will say I think he's my least favorite of all of them though Due to just the full point PPR upside with the savings that the Cubs the Tyreeks of the world get you I'm gonna play some Kyron, but I do rank it the three stud receivers and a chain and then Kyron's below him So yeah, that's six captains for me
of a Tyreek when Tyreek plays that to me is actually better for him.
Like it's still more opportunity versus what I hate when it's down to just him and then everybody jumps on board and you're getting over owned and potentially where the defense can just say, Oh, let me just guard this guy and see what you guys can do without him.
So, um, I think that's at least somewhat interesting.And also Kyron Williams. I hope he gets, I hope he comes in a little lower than he is.
I don't know if he will, but I, you know, people tend to like Cooper cup, Nikua, uh, HN, all this, if Tyreek plays.So hopefully that, because I still like Williams is you can't beat the props and touchdowns and things like that.You get with him.
It's a one game slate.He can be involved in so many different ways.So I do have interest in, in him for sure as well.
So, uh, one, one thing to add on that conversation, I guess I just realized I really wasn't looking close at pricing that Stafford is. he's only 8600.Like, like, I don't like the I don't like him as a playing captain.
But like, man, if salary does get tight, let's say we again, this is kind of a first look, I haven't dug super deep into this slate.All my content and everything goes up after the show.This is kind of a starting point for me.If we're tight on salary,
and I need a little more savings, I could potentially add him into the mix just because that price is pretty cheap, 8.6, and then in the captain, he's only 12.9, so something to think about.
Yeah.And he is, but that ownership price, everything reflects this.So it's like, it's when it's baked in already, you use projections a ton and you know how that is.Like you're, you're kind of double counting that that is the scenario.
We know he's the number three right now, the way it's been.But if any week, if any spot for it to happen that you'd want to play, it is on a showdown.So that's why I said, I'm literally ignoring it.
I know why he's not going to be very popular up top, but it's going to be reflected, but I'm putting some no ball to the, to the numbers on my own.
I was talking about a Stafford, like Stafford
I know you were.I just, I heard your points.Good.It makes sense.I was just explaining to the chat about something else.Gotcha.Okay.Good.Gotcha.
The Stafford thing is like, it does make sense because in price range for him to what you were just talking about is Nakua is only 600 bucks more.And I think you said it, I said it, the numbers reflect it.
Title was mentioning it is that's just going to make sense.But if it's not Nakua and it's cup, Well, cup is a bit more to go up to up top.So if you end up needing that money, the way to flip it would be that.
But other than that, obviously, Stafford is going to be very good in the flex.
He's our highest optimal in the flex on the slate for that reason, because you're not going to get better than 8,600 for a quarterback of a team favorite at home with 27 points on the docket.So certainly think
that penguin celebration he's talking about.There was something else I wanted to do.Oh, this.Richie Smalls.I thought you were joking the first time you put it in there.
This is usually the worst play on the slate that you can possibly do, especially in a lottery.If it's the Thursday night football one this week where we've got like a 44-44 mega and there's only 567 people or something,
You'll get away with it a little more because while you'll still chop it up, probably it's like eight to 10 ways on a million plus the other prizes.Not so bad in a lottery tonight.
These lineups that can let you play whoever you want will definitely get played and they will be all the exact same in sometimes the multitudes of hundreds and plus on the dupe on the dupes.And then you're getting horrible return. um, on your money.
So just to note that, especially people that are playing MME, not something I usually consider.And if it works, you just close up the laptop and move on to the next slate.So title kick it back to you.
Any additional thoughts at the captain, if not any more at quarterback before we go to running back?
No, not really anymore.A captain.And then even in talking flex, like you can get away with no quarterback lineups today for sure.With all the pukas, the cups, the change, the world price around it.Do you think Waddle has a solid game?
He can outscore them, et cetera.So Especially to a man like I like I'm with you.I like Stafford much more than to a if having to choose.
But yeah, the one thing that stood out looking at my initial run was hardly any a captain and I wasn't even that jamming them that hard in the flex either.But if you look at our percentage right now. To what we have at Flex, 37%.
So that is pretty low.47% for Stafford.That also stood out.So, yeah, I don't know.If I had 40%, I guess, in the Flex, it's a little overweight with the field.That's somewhere where I expect to be around.So that really stands out, actually.
What's your guys' thoughts on sub-40%, 9,200 quarterback in the Flex?
I definitely, I'll be overweight.What's the number we're showing?38.Yeah, I'll probably be over by a little, I'd guess, when it's all said and done.
Yeah, I think I'm with you on building some without quarterbacks.So it's on these two teams specifically because they can just rack it up.Right.But it's like, you know, that's the whole setup of what type of games you get.
And I guess that's the other question titles.If we get a, you know, 27 to 24 game, let's just match the team totals for a second.How likely is it that one of the quarterbacks is not on the lineup?
It's so interesting because 8-6 Stafford, 9K Puka, 9-2 Tua, 9-4 a chain, 9-8 Cup, 10K Hill, and then 10-8 Williams.Like, they're priced so similar.If you say it's 27-24, I don't know, man.Like, if Stafford gets there, it's probably Puka or Cup.
If Tua's getting there, yeah, Tyree can have big plays.Maybe he drags him along with, but a chain's a PPR monster.Cup, even if he doesn't get in the box, I don't know, man. That's why it's so tough up there.
It's like, even if they get to their team totals, those guys can just puka, chain, Tyreek.
We're not talking captain though, we're talking flex.
Yeah, but they're both, they're all relative in the same price in the flex too, where you can't play all of them.
Yeah.But if someone, unless you're going to like, to me, it's like a heavy running back script then, because it's like, you've got 27 points on one side and 24 on the other.If it's Puka, he's probably up top.
And then it's probably Stafford in the flex.If it's, um, you know, what do you get?If you have a Chan up top and Puka and cup in the flex, but they scored all those points, they've got touchdown.It's going to be very close.
It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility, but I think you've got to tell that story when you're building it with.
got to get some running backs in there because like if they're scoring or it's what you're playing, your lineup just naturally tells the story that there's less points and it's the under, right?
Because then it's just who racked up 10 for 80 and that could crush a quarterback who really didn't do anything.
Yeah, I just think there's enough.The Pucas, Cups, A-Chains, Tyreeks of the world have enough just so like they can catch screens.They can go 12 for 90 and not score.
But there's just so much PPR upside and they can just jam them so much that they don't need to bring the quarterbacks along.And they're just, at the end of the day, only what?
Three max of Puca, Tua, A-Chain, Cup, Tyreek, and Williams can probably get there.If you're playing one at captain, two in the flex. Like, Savory only gets you so far, especially on this value.
I don't know.I struggle.These quarterback prices are way too cheap.And like, you're looking for a very perfect storm because it's like a chance scores, two touchdowns.That's still only gets them to 14 with the extras.And then it's like,
on the other side, we're not just going to get a perfect storm of four guys going 11 for a hundred with no touchdowns.So it would have to be very low scoring.And the problem I see is the quarterbacks are too cheap.
If they were up in price, I would definitely agree even more, but I, if this game, don't you think puka is too cheap?
Cups too cheap, but chains too cheap.Tyreek's too cheap.
They are, but you're playing four of these guys easily tonight.So to say it's four with no quarterbacks, I struggled to see it.
Yeah, that's the benefit, right?That's the that's the beauty of this game.I don't know who did you have extra thoughts on that or do you want to talk more?I'm running back.
Naturally, a majority of my teams are going to have a quarterback in there.I'm not opposed to non quarterback teams like I think you know, I think it could get there.I mean, we're talking one game.We always say it like anything can happen.
I'm not actively going to be building for no quarterback teams, but I think it's viable.
Tonight for for sure and again a majority of my teams will have one of these two I'll obviously have more Stafford than Tua But I think you could potentially see it on the winner Yeah, I think it's like I said, it gets you into a fine line and not against it I'm just saying I think it's like a Chan with
a Tua, a Chan Tyreek, sorry, I mean, with like something like that.And then you run it with Cup Nakua on the other side and whatever the two value plays are, and you just hope that's how it shakes out.
That's how I could see it happening, but it's still pretty tricky.
Yeah. More than likely a quarterback will be there.
I agree with that.I wish DraftKings would fix these quarterback prices because it doesn't really, to me, add a huge element to the game.To me, it makes easier more than trickier and not easier to win.That's a fine line to walk.I'm not saying that.
I'm saying when you're thinking about game theory, it's like this exact argument, not argument, but conversation we're having about it.It's like, how?It's just they don't have to do very much.
And if those other, like if you're playing, there's only going to be so much of your portfolio that it could even be a possibility because most of your lineups with Cup, Nakua, Tyreek, et cetera, up top are also going to have a quarterback.
And then if it is a Chan or something like that, you now have the money to spend.So it's just naturally going to get spent on it anyway.So very few lineups will be without.
So if you're building those, you could almost hand build them or virtual hand build and ship the miser, turn off the quarterbacks and build that way and see if there's any lineups that you love and make sense.
And that's a great point from there that I think is a way to look at it, that you kind of put that idea in my head, that that's how I would do it, right?Just look at it, turn them off, build your lineups and see if you like anything.
And if anything makes sense.
I will say I fell asleep last night before the fourth quarter, but you guys could talk.Can you like there was no quarterback on the winner yesterday.Can you guys compare any game script all that game?
I mean, there was pics left and right before I did go X, wasn't there?
Yeah, there's a ton of pics, but minus one doesn't hurt you that much.We're like, you're still kind of surprised.It's not like minus one to get the.
It's like a 40 yard catch.
I mean, that's I think the way non. non-quarterback teams get their kicks, field goals.A couple 50-yarders, which is what happened last night.So if these kickers get to 15 range, then you could definitely start to see that.
A couple of running backs go off, the kickers kick some field goals, and another value guy kind of gets there.It's a one-game slate.I mean, it can happen.There's no doubt about it.
All I was saying is I love those teams.Title knows this.I build teams like this.We've talked about it plenty where I'm in agreeance.
I'm saying, I think this is the slate that makes it a little bit trickier because you go A-Chan up top with Jason Sanders, who this is how it would work, right?Because that's, Jason Sanders is going to kick some field goals.It's going to hurt Tua.
A-Chan's certainly going to hurt Tua most likely, especially if he does it on the ground and not from checkdowns.Well, then it's easy to see like Kup, Nakua on the other side, just rack up the catches and not need the other.But now tell me,
five other lineups where it makes sense.And it just starts to get trickier and trickier.Cause like, well, it kind of just is the same build at that point.
So it's almost like you you hand build yourself the five versions that you can believe in and other people have hand built them too.And then after that, it's like everything else has a quarterback in it and they're just under priced.
That was a good conversation and a good way to talk about it so that other people can kind of see where our head's at.But anything to add on running backs title, anything else you want to talk about there?
Moving to running back.So this Blake Corum stuff is like, I don't understand.He hardly has gotten any snaps, but at least six snaps, eight snaps, then he gets one snap.Kyron's done pretty much everything.
What are we showing Blake Corum's ownership at? Unless you guys for some reason thinks he gets mixed in more, I just don't see a reason to play any other running back on the Rams but Kyron.
On the other side, for Miami, you have Mostert priced all the way up at $7.4K, and he continues to lose snaps because he can't belong in the football.He had 46% last week, only 23% of snaps this past week in Week 9.
They're mixing in Jalen Wrightmore, the rookie, and then Alec Ingold is getting a big, big, and I shouldn't say big, big, but 39%, 42%, 31, 54.
Another Wisco boy, shout out Wisconsin over here, but fullback that could catch some passes out of the backfield. Mike McDaniel's not worried about, like, not scared to get him the ball.They trust him.
I don't mind a little Alec Engel on a slate where value is really, really, really bad.Assuming he does play, I see a Q tag, but 400 bucks on a slate with no value.He'll be on the field 30%, 42, 39.
It's really weird to say, but he is my third favorite running back in this range behind, of course, a chain and Kyron.
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Yeah.What, what about, um, what did you say anything on right?The chat was just talking about him.
So it's that I, all I said was the Snapcom went up three K. I initially wasn't going to get any cause you still got to do something at three K and his what?Yeah. nine snaps, three snaps, he's electric.
Unless you talk me into it, like I'd much prefer the Parkinson's, Kicker's, D's, Jonu, even Engle for cheaper, but I mean. Yeah, it's tough.It's tough.
John, who like for sure, and I know he's getting ownership, so that's your argument, like that somebody can have, not yours, but just in general.So I mean, that makes it tough.
OBJ, like give me OBJ, I guess, even though I don't like him.It's tough.
OBJ revenge against the team he won a Super Bowl from the hospital bed with after the injury.So I don't think there's much revenge required.He just gets to look at the ring every day when he wants to.
Um, this came up to hoop and then I'll kick it to you for running back, like hand build more in main slate.And then new ones brought this up.That's the thing, right?
In a main slate built, everyone starts with the quarterback builds out a stacking piece and then add someone from the other side typically, or something along those lines.But then they have no clue where to go from there.Or it gets to be like,
They get to the second step and they're worried about the third or the fourth.In Showdown, it's fully correlated because you're building six spots, one game, captain worth more, you know the game.That's why I love this game so much.
More to it from that perspective versus different conversation on the main slate.But it also makes it a little bit easier, I think, for people to build lineups that make sense.They feel comfortable with them.Everybody you know, Hoop, is one away.
Oh, just two spots away in a six game showdown.Yeah, that's the one that we always get, but go ahead, talk.
It is tough in regards to that question, just because when you talk game theory, roster construction for Showdown, rightfully so, we say, keep a game score.How do you think this game is going to go?What's the score at the end?
Game script type stuff, but then it's like you look at the winning lineups at the end and it's just like randomness.So the right way is obviously to to build due to towards a certain type of game.
But man, it's one game high variance like anything can happen, so makes it difficult.But if you are hand building, yeah, you probably want to stick to a game script.If you like, I like the Rams tonight.I think the Rams could put up a lot of points.
I think potential blowout.So I would build a Rams heavy team. Consider the Rams defense that sort of thing, but it is it's tough either way Running backs.
I'm pretty much an agreement like Kyra Williams a Chan both good and flex and captain I Haven't built yet.My goal is to avoid a As much as possible quorum right in gold and definitely mustard.
I don't want mustard at 74 like at 7400 mustard has to do a lot and he's got to get close to Some of these high-end wide receivers that we talked about on the RAM side like he's got to do a lot at 74 So I think that's an easy fade.
I don't know how much value I'll need but I I and hoping I can side with some of these pass catchers over Corum, Wright, Ingold.I mean, who knows what Corum's role is?Like Title was saying, it's like all over the place.It doesn't make much sense.
Wright, like at 3K, it's, you know, kind of getting close to those kickers.And then I guess Ingold, I guess Ingold's my favorite at 400 just because he's $400.I don't know.
But I don't want to play much of any of the other guys besides Williams and HM.
Yeah, I hope for sure that, uh, like I said, I keep going back to it, but I hope that Williams gets overlooked for when Hill news pops, like we expect it will.
And he's in and people are already on a Chan for how good he's been with Tua and Cooper cup is obviously getting a million targets a game and games healthy with Stafford and Nakua would be if he could stop punching people in the helmet, all this stuff.
So, um, plus two 25 for multiple touchdowns for Kyron Williams, a Chan is plus 600 for the same thing. yet it looks like their ownership will be identical.And the price is more, it's baked in, like I just said about the previous guy.
But in Showdown, it doesn't really matter as much about like 2K when you're already paying up at Captain to go up to a guy like William.So I like him in the flex and at the top, but certainly in Captain more, like we talked about earlier.
Go ahead, your thoughts on that one.
Oh, no one's shitting on OBJ.I mean, I think everyone's applying this to the game tonight, not necessarily in the past.Like he was a great wide receiver, obviously, in the past.But I was much more athletic five years ago as well.
Father time always catches up.So in terms of tonight, OBJ, he's not the same guy he was six, seven, eight years ago.
Yeah, certainly that's people got to remember that, right?You can still be very young, but old for the NFL at the same time, right?
We see some of these young guys coming up and they're, uh, you know, like what the guys say yesterday, when title gets to high school, the, the member boost is going to be huge at, at shipping nation, but it's like, yeah, young guys versus the old guys.
That's really what it is.And just part of the game title.I'll kick it back to you, man.Anything else there that you wanted to round it out?If not take us into a wide receiver.
No, like the most surprises really big.But again, if you want to get different, you know, he's plus one 45 to score.But the problem is that that price, he needs to do more than just get an eight yard touchdown.Like he's got to get there.
But if you're trying to win all the cheese, that is a clear pivots.You play a lot of lineups for those people playing five, 10. or less, which I think is majority of the audience, that's when I wouldn't get there.
Of course, Corum, right, you're playing a lot of teams, you can mix them in, but it just, Alec Ingold just stands out by far as my third favorite, because on the field 40% of the time, he out-snapped Mostert last game, he almost out-snapped Mostert the game before, he did out-snap him the game before, and he's a lot, lot, lot less, 7K, so, yeah.
Ingold's on the field mainly to block and stuff, I'm not trying to say go 100% Alec Ingold, But honestly, the value is tough.I at least like when I know my guy will be on the field to have a chance wide receiver.
Um, I'll start ram side because I think it's, I guess neither side, obviously Cooper cup and poop cup.The markets, the markets, Robinson has clearly been the number three.I think he's a very solid play and arrange that.I mean, kickers, defenses,
Jalen Waddle, like you drop down Jalen Waddle to Demarcus Robinson and say 1,000.That's a way right there you can eliminate a lot of dupes.I'll be looking at little stuff like that. Maybe eliminate a lot of cash too.Yeah, maybe for sure.
But it's not, it's not how often you win.It's when you win, how much you win.So that's how I built.We just talked about it.How much variance in one game, this, that, of course.So when I win, give me all the cheese.Don't just give me a little of it.
What about waddle at 4% captain though?I might still, that might be how I win when I'm right.For sure.
I'm not saying I'm fading Waddle.
I'm just saying that's a pity.I know.I'm no Waddle truther.It's just more of a game now, but it is kind of funny that he thinks he's done.
Yeah, I will say that gap in ownership is going to tighten.I don't think that Waddle is going to be 11%, 12%, 13% higher owned than Demarcus Robinson.People are liking Demarcus Robinson.I think it's closer between the two for what it's worth.
Yes, our guy Joe wants him in the captain here, maybe too.You're out.
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Locking in gold.I guess title, you were going to go into wide receiver and I cut you off, but I would ask one more quick question.I haven't, I'm sure the chat does too.How are you when you do, you know, you're in gold lineups.
I know I'm not saying you're going from scratch to hand build them or something, but just saying like, what are you looking for him to land in?What type of situation do you, is it just to make studs work?
Do you have a certain script where you're like, Oh, that would make a lot of sense there.So I'll use them.How do you use a guy like in gold in a, in a one game slate like this?
To be honest, I do not really care.I just probably like if you just keep scrolling up like who else you can play.Blake Cormack one to the dude played once in that last time you scroll up a little more.Tyler Johnson.He's the fourth receiver.
I was going to talk about a little bit.He's in play, but again, a guy Alec Eagle will be on the field more.Malik Washington will touch on him wide receiver for an OBJ right there. Why can't Engle outscore them?
So it really just comes to Jalen Wright, 2-2 at 3-2.Parkinson at 3-4.The defenses, it just really comes down to, I don't think there needs to be a specific game script.He can be on both of them.
It seems like it's more for you to boost up, just give me the points elsewhere with a guy like him versus if you saw a Corham lineup, not to harp on this, but it's truthful.It's like, if you saw a Corham lineup, you're like, that has to make sense.
It's like a 5-1 Rams blowout. he got in there.It's a non-Chiron where it's like, if an injury happened, it would win me all the cheese, but you're probably not going to build for that.
But at least then you'd want it to make sense versus Ingold is just a means to an end.It's like, give me the money so I can build up elsewhere.So great answer.
I think that helps people when they're trying to think, how would I even get them into my single entry or my five max or whatever I'm doing?Sorry, go ahead at wide receiver.
One thing to add on to that point, we've seen it more in the past, not necessarily like this year because of the pricing, it's been a little softer, but there are years, the last previous three years, there's been a lot of slates where you needed five guys and you needed a two, three, $400 or $200 or $400 player.
And it didn't matter what they did, like two points.And like that was on the winner.We haven't seen much of it this year.And I think it's because of the softer pricing, but it has happened a lot in the past.
Yeah, and this late, there's a lot of studs up top, and the value down below is tough, so I can paint a picture where it could be.It's four games he's had.Is 6-3 on the winner or 5-2?I'll take my chances at 400 in the ownership.
So as far as the quorum stuff, paint the game script.I think Jalen Wright would be better at trailing game scripts.Mostert's out, need more explosiveness.I'll definitely lead more game script that way.Good question there.
I kind of talked about, I guess, like the wide receivers going down.I'm going to play some Demarcus.The last one that is getting some work is Tyler Johnson.
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Again, he's just a punt on a value that's really tough down below.But Cooper Cup, Buka, DeMarcus, you have to know he's number four.And Tutu's getting a little mix in an action as well.So that's what we haven't projected.Ownership-wise, so low.
The more teams you build, that's when I'll mix in Tyler Johnson. I don't love it at all other side.It's clearly tyreek and waddle.They do they just do run a lot of two receiver sets They use ingled a lot.
They use most and a chain sometimes Jalen, right, etc So you're not going to see a lot of three receiver sets when they do it's either obj or it's this malik washington guy Washington has out snapped obj in the last three four weeks, which is interesting note right there
Again, I guess maybe Washington over OBJ.At the end of the day, I would max one of them.It would just come down to probably their trailing.They need to throw more.Five points is enough from one of those two.I don't like any of them, though.
OBJ, Washington, Tyler Johnson, 2-2, all them.Like, I want to avoid them more.It's gross down there, but that's the story of the slate.
Yeah, I think it was a good breakdown I think that's something to just to keep in mind for the Ram side.
I think it was mentioned in discord earlier someone said it but the, the Rams won't dress them all anyway probably like we'll know and inactives what's going to happen because like Whittington is supposed to be coming back or, I guess, healthy enough.
to come back.But what if they don't, right?What if they just run it with Atwell Johnson?And then they already have Robinson in there with their two guys, their main.
So it's like, we'll see what happens when we get an active, but no sense doing if then it's like I said earlier OBJ Washington, definitely separating them.
Not going to land on two normally anyway with these projections, but obviously that all changes if for some reason Hill wasn't active.So just got to look at that stuff when we get closer to it, not going to try and do too much more with that hoop.
Did you have anything else at wide receiver you want to hit on?
It's tough.I mean, this is usually, you know, one of my favorite spots to kind of find some value like these cheaper wide receivers that paid off a lot this year.But these are two teams when everyone's playing, it's very consolidated.
Like if the Rams are throwing the ball, it's likely going to Cooper Cup or Pucca. Uh, if the dolphins are throwing the ball, it's likely going to Tyreek or waddles.So like these cheap wide receivers don't look great on the slate.
Um, you know, I think a lot of people are looking back to the, the Rams from last week.Well, one thing to definitely keep in mind, like Nikia. and
Great plays probably have to look at some of these guys by necessity though If you do want to go with the expensive captains probably have to embrace some of the risks with these guys I'll play most of them, but I don't feel great about it.
I'll be honest I'd probably side with the Miami guys like Odell and Malik Washington, I guess over the the Rams guys, but None of them look great.I mean, it's Puka, Cooper Cup, Tyreek, Waddle, Demarcus Robinson are very secure.
The rest, man, it's a lot of question marks obviously with them.
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I just will say the waddle thing stands out and I'm not a waddle truther.I don't love him.Anything to do with that.I just think it's funny in this game.Like it's, it's only week, it's 10 weeks of a season.The sample size is small.
I know in reality that's over 50% of the season regular done, but it's like how does the guy just never have another good game?What if it's on this slate and it showed on tonight, we're getting four or 5% in the captain.
We're getting lower in the flex.There's other guys around them and I get that, but I actually do have interest in waddle tonight.So I'm going to, you know, stand on that one and go from there.
So, um, title, any, anything else you want, man, if not, uh, go to tight ends and anything else from there.
It makes sense, the waddle stuff, especially the more we talk about it, because it doesn't force you if you don't want to play one of these pawns.You can go kickers, Ds more, more mid-tier-ish.We're gonna get to these tight ends.
I will say, I really like Janu today.It's no secret, though, the ownership's coming, so no hot take, but, I mean, he has a higher receiving prop than Demarcus Robinson.34 and a half for Janu.
Isn't crazy and I've always just been a fan of John who Smith I test wise He actually could catch the ball turn up feel to make a move which I feel like is better than half of these statutes So I'm in on John who Smith you can leave money on the table with him.
This set my second favorite I think is Davis Allen at 200 bucks the reason for that.He led the tight end and
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Tight end room in snaps last week at 42.55%, Hunter Long at 34%, Kobe Parkinson at 42%, which was by far a big drop off.
Did he get hurt or something, Parkinson?What's the reason for that?I don't know.
You tell me.I just go off the plates.
Yeah, I don't think he got hurt.I just, it must be like poor play or something.
The problem is like, yeah.Shout out, Linda.Parkinson didn't play the entire second half.
Okay.Was he hurt?The problem with Parkinson is he just doesn't even get looks like two zero, two targets, two targets with these guys back.I don't know though.No, he just got benched.He said, yeah, that makes sense.
Better blocker, a guy that literally can't do anything. Yeah, so Davis Allen's my favorite there.The problem is it's like we're hoping for, Davis Allen has literally done almost nothing all year.
Like he's just gonna be on the field and you hope for a catch or two.Long, he's gonna be on the field, he's very cheap.Do you wanna mix him at 600 for really low ownership?Durham Smice, the other one on the Miami side, he ran 43% of snaps.
I don't know, he's 1,000 bucks.Do I like any of them?No, but you need value that's gonna be on the field.And I could see this a slate being,
Three of those guys up top, absolutely nuke, or four of them, and you just need three, four points from down below.I haven't seen it this year.We saw it multiple times in the past couple of years.It's just, man, it is, it's gross.
Like, Demarcus Robinson, OBJ, Whittington, Jalen Wright, like, those guys aren't great either for 2K more.That's why I find myself going to this in-gold Allen stuff in the hundreds when I know they'll be on the field.But I like John Newsmith.
That's the main takeaway I tie down.
I will say real quick, we just did the takedown breakdown, and this is throwdown, completely different.
Guys like Davis Allen, I'm in the flex, I'm not playing my captain, I already explained why that's typically horrible, but just to note, yesterday we saw it.
The actual winning MillieMaker lineups and the Big Dog tournaments and stuff were the balanced builds. those that just avoided that.
And for example, going back, it's not to keep pushing this one because now I'll get in trouble when he, you know, nothing happens from him.
But like, if you go waddle in the captain, maybe it's like two, uh, and John who Smith in the flex, uh, you know, kicker, you know, two other dudes that you don't have to punt.
But obviously if that's the way the game goes, then you probably do need to punt and you will need those.Like Landa says, shout out Landa, but like You don't know if you need those studs tonight.
You don't know anything about what you need tonight until the game happens.You might need two kickers and two defenses.It's, it's showdown.Literally anything can happen and you don't know what it's going to be.
A lot of people would have said you need tanked out last night with no Nico Collins.Not the case, right?Eight points or something.So, um, lots of other stuff going on, but just got to keep that stuff in mind.
So, um, who else was, there was somebody else here that brought up another good point.I was going to say, Oh, uh, Ross, this is true too.It's not like he's had a ton of amazing games.That's not what it's about, right?
On a showdown slate, it's what could happen and what could that turn into and help your lineup.I just gave an example of how that could work.It could be Jonu in the captain and then a balanced build without the punts.
It could be a balanced captain like Jonu or up to Waddle with a punt and more studs in the flex.Like, there's so many ways and that's why this game is so fun and so good just to play.
So, um, somebody asked it earlier, Hoop, and I'll let you take over tight end, kicker and D. But, uh, this is a slate I love.
Um, you know, when I talk about these slates, it's like there's only so many punt plays, but there's enough to make it still work.You can definitely leave money on the table from a certain receiver down to the next one.
The captains are really spread out and people can't figure it out.That's the slates that I like a lot more than when it's, you know, Chiefs should win with a 5-1 tonight and everyone's just jamming the same thing.
And if it happens, you're dead to all the dupes.So, um, dead to the dupes is not something I ever want to be, but Hoop, I'll kick it over to you.
Yeah, it is.You start looking at the value plays of the slate.I mean, there's a couple that look good.I mean, Johnny Smith definitely looks like a solid value at 44, but I mean, everything else that's cheap, a lot of question marks.
And again, that all changes, obviously, if Tyreek is for some reason ruled out.We've been under the assumption during the show that he does play, but as it stands now,
You're going to have to embrace some risk if you want some of these expensive captains.Parkinson, Allen, I think, yeah, the Allen stuff.I mean, if it wasn't injury related, like this could be a shift, like they don't like Parkinson.
So I think a guy like Allen. Uh, you know, maybe a little bit of long, um, makes some sense.Um, but to me, like Smith is by far, you know, the best tight on play, obviously the ownership's following.
Um, but it's kind of a necessity on the slate, the $4,400 price tag.So, uh, good, good with him.I will have some Parkinson Allen.
and then I'll have to see on like Smythe and Long, but you know, Smith and Allen for sure are the two tight ends that are standing out.
You know what I just remembered Hoop, too?A great breakdown, sure, but getting close to the end, you know, I'm moving on some stuff, but likes were actually higher and more engagement when we did more marketing. and a
is almost going to be ready to go out.So they were talking about the gear looking good.And a couple of people mentioned it, the hats you guys have on, you can go get them.It's another way to support.
The new hat, the Travis Matthew one is there, the pre-order, but they're in stock now.The shirts, the t-shirts, the new blue hoodie, which is fire.I just took mine out of the dryer.So your title's got the white shirt on.
All this stuff is here if you want a way to support, you want a bunch of money and you feel like giving back.I know Most cases, dudes don't sending other dudes money, but you could support the cause.
You can wrap a shirt or a hoodie or a hat and represent the brand.It's always good.And if you're not a member and you want to get in, very easy right now, just go to the site.We still have it set up, 85 bucks a month, and that's for everything.
Shiptomizer for all the sports, everything that we cover and that's going on right now.There's seven sports, six actually, because NASCAR just ended yesterday, until football's done.
But just to note that, and then of course the free email education course.You guys want to check that out as well. Hoop, anything else, kickers and D's, and then we kick it to title for the same thing before we go to FanDuel.
Uh, potentially a little more interest in, in the defenses today, just because man, again, the comparable plays in their pricing range are super risky.Like, I don't know, like I'll see when I go and build teams, but I'm definitely open.
to a little more defense, 4K for the Rams, 3,600 for the Dolphins.We'll see when I build and again, that'll be up on the site.And then I'm definitely good with both kickers, Sanders and this Cardi dude, 5K for Sanders, 4,800 for Cardi.
So good with both kickers and a little more open to defenses today than I normally am.
Yeah, Title, anything to add on that stuff or anything else you see there?
No, I'm definitely playing the kickers.Yeah.The range is as tough.I was trying to look, see who like has a lot of the most sacks or something this year.Cause I test wise, it feels like Stafford gets the part, just my brain.
It feels like Stafford gets the ball pretty quick and limits mistakes.Whereas, I mean, we've seen two would get absolutely murdered multiple times to get hold on the ball.So I've lean Rams, DF having to pick, but I have no numbers to back that up.
So I'm playing the kickers a hundred percent.I think they're really strong plays in a really tough range.
Yeah.It's crazy too, because, you know, it used to be everybody would like over adjust to what they've seen.
So all these interceptions yesterday, even last night, the latest slate we just played, which was showdown last night, people see all these interceptions yet.It doesn't move the needle.Like people still know it's kickers.
And then people still bitch that it's kickers.Like, you know, on Twitter X, everyone to call people say, Oh, it's the worst.Can't believe these kickers keep dusting me.Yeah.They they're priced for nothing.They're going to get chances.
Clocks just end the half just ends things like that, where just more opportunities that they happen to have, but it's just funny.That's the way it goes.Nobody overreacts to these defenses though.They both still look to come in pretty low.
And I think it's tough still though.Cause you said it title, like Stafford doesn't usually make a lot of mistakes.It's short throws to these guys or it's get the ball to Kyron Williams, that sort of thing.
And then on the other side, especially when they've got all these dudes healthy, it makes it even tougher.So assuming Tyreek is in, like it's just not going to be a lot of mistakes that way.
So it is a little bit tricky to get to them versus the kickers just fit easily.I think some of the conversation will be, you know, John Smith versus Jason Sanders, obviously are allowed to play both in those balance builds.
It works all these other factors, but very similar price.And it does feel like more people go to John and that's what our ownership numbers reflect right now.We'll see.
The other side though, like Parkinson, we talk about, it's really tough to get to him, but even I don't know.Um, DeMarcus Robinson versus Joshua Cardi.Like how does that play out?But they're kind of close enough or similar.
You can just play one or leave the other that too.So I don't know.It's going to be interesting to see what we get.We'll have all the stuff up on the site.Good, good point here.
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Well, what would you call a hoop?Sorry, Ty.Don't play the 555.
Yeah, you don't want that smoke.Yeah, stay out of that one for sure.
No sweat in the 555 hoops in there.
What is it?Three wins in two seconds in the last 10 weeks?
Four wins, two seconds in the last probably, yeah, eight to 10 weeks.It's been an incredible run.Maybe if I just stop.I need to stop playing NFL and just focus on MMA, and I'll be retired here pretty soon.
Yeah, there is free.There is tutorials.Those are actually free on the site as well.I'm not bringing it back up.Don't care enough just to, you know, if you guys want to check it by all means, we appreciate you.
But I'm saying that you can go onto the site and see them.They're free.Hit shift divisor, the dropdown, click tutorials.You can see how it all works.There's some crazy features, especially for NFL.If you just want really competitive lineups,
there's a presets button for main slate that you can just turn on and make sure you're naturally getting lineups that are competitive with team stacks, game stacks, you can do naked quarterbacks, no run back, you do all kinds of different stuff just within there and get certain ownership stuff.
But the funny thing about the MMA thing hoop, because now we're getting to the end of the show before we get to FanDuel, I saw someone say, it's so funny, like, oh, who crushes MMA?We need his core.It's on the site.
It just has title's name on it or Marley's name on it.And it's all their content, the best in the business at doing it.And it doesn't cost you anything extra.
It's just part of the- That's one thing that we're all about here.Other spots do it differently.Like I'm not going to pretend to be a MMA expert.Like I've had success playing, but I don't know, like, especially on a card,
Like Saturday, I don't know 80% of the fighters.Like, how am I going to go and give a core?I'm going to trust our team at Ship It Nation to provide me with the information in order to make competitive teams.Like, that's what I lean on.
Like, I'm not an expert at MMA.Yes, like NFL, I know. PGA, I know, but like other spots I've been at before, they pretend to be experts in every area.He's a college football guy all of a sudden, like what?College basketball?No.
Stay in our lane, focus on what we're good at.Title and Marley have crushed the content on the MMA side, and I trust them.It's literally the only spot I look, and I've been very successful.You don't want my core.I don't even know these.
I can't even pronounce their freaking names.
as title i'll talk to him about the the mma slay and i'll have to give the price tags i was like the 7800 guy what do you what do you think about him and title rattles off his name i'm like yeah that dude yeah you go ahead the thing about core is like
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We have it because if you need five minutes to build a slate, you want to see who's on, sure.But there's a lot more that goes into everything than a core.Like, your lineup needs to make sense.Who plays more than one team in it?I just MME at MMA.
I think it's probably the hardest single-entry sport really out there.It's crazy, crazy variants.So, a core only goes so long.Just don't think who dreams the night before, he has the winner in his mind, he knows who, like, it's not like that.
So, you said it well, though.
That's what he's saying right now.It's not a dream the night before.It's a whole lot more, not just a core.Get on over.Hey, look at that.Drink it down, baby.Let's go.
All right, let's get to the big- I will say for Saturday real quick, because we talked a little bit, and I know this is, you know, we're far out from the car.I'm still shocked that Oliveira is that big of a favorite.I looked it up again today.
It's like a massive number, like massive number.
And also just quick before he does fan duel, those that are probably worth a lot more in the box, but I did want them on my shelf.So they're my favorite pair.I love them.I was happy that we got the ship at nation colors.
You see the sign behind even double down, got the lights to match all the color schemes, everything.So, um, I had another pair that I bought that I wore out to some of the events and stuff that are different, but, uh, yeah,
They're not for sale here, but you can definitely buy them.They're waiting on the EP, they said.Bars, listen to Tambo go off.Man, these guys know I'm gonna put lines on everything, but Hoop, FanDuel, FanDuel lineups.Let's talk about those.
And it's just another annoying, I mean, Matthew Stafford, 12.5 to a 12K.So the quarterbacks are free over there, where quarterbacks already have an advantage.Big pricing discrepancy between Kyron Williams and a chain.Kyron Williams, 15.5, A-chan.
11 K Cooper Cup 15,000 puka 13 5 Tyreek 14 your boy Jalen waddle under 10 K 9500 think solid play.
Most are it looks overpriced there at 10 K kickers defenses all in the same range and then Johnny Smith 8k DeMarcus Robinson 8k Parkinson 75 Odell Beckham 75 The one thing that definitely stands out though is the pricing difference in the running backs and the quarterbacks are just way way way too cheap
Yeah.I see that also HN over there.Um, you know, we got on the stone obviously, but both running backs going to be extremely high on because the pricing's bad, but the HN number you talked about, the discrepancy is what 4,500 less than Williams.
Like it's a, you know, a pretty close spread game, big boy totals on both sides.I think people are just going to be happy with that.I will say the running joke for those that haven't heard it is FanDuel sucks, but hoop crushes over there.
But I will say I've seen now that the new bonuses came out in Showdown, more wide receivers up top.And you know what never gets played?And that's when there's good, when the chops aren't bad.
So like I've been leaning into this more lately is that, you know, tonight Tyreek could be 10% in the captain over there. Or MVP, I should say.And there's still plenty of different ways to build it.And Waddle might be 2%, going back to my same dude.
But put that on anybody.Kup, Nakua, they're all around 10% or less.And they don't get the extra half point.It's half point, not full point PPR.But they can still hit the bonuses.They can still score the touchdowns, all these factors.
I just thought that was an interesting thing that I've seen this season, where you can still fit quite a bit, but be able to get different up top.So anything on that, Hoop?You play it quite a bit more than Title and I.
I think that's a very good point.I mean, people are sticking to like the high volume running backs and the quarterbacks, because again, they do have a little bit of an advantage scoring wise.
And the pass catchers always come in low, even the high end ones, like you talked about, they come in much lower than they should.So I like that call over there. Waddle is priced like a kicker today.This is just gonna get me.
I'm coming around I do like that.I do like to call them anything, buddy He hasn't had I mean how many games has he played with two or three, right?
Yeah, and he's super cheap I mean I've come around on the waddle play for sure and I don't believe that ownership either like I think it's probably comes in even lower than maybe we're showing
Yeah.And Metro Boom, I think this is the key, right?We all like that.It's just, so does everybody else.It's like, we're like, we all feel that way.We're just trying to sell ourselves on other things.
And when you get a little back and forth here, like it is, especially assuming we've been this whole show going a little long and that's fine, but assuming that Tyreek's in, which is what we're all assuming, everybody, well, that just means everybody's healthy on both sides.
right?You got everybody rolling full speed.That can lead to a lot of different things here.So it could be a fun game back and forth.And Nick called it my new passion project.If you saw the logo, yeah, it's headphones.It's a brain.It's puzzles.
It's actually DFS raps.I'm coming out with it.So please support.The new album is coming out soon.Check it out.Go to tambostidbits.com.But any final thoughts from you, Title, before we get out of here?
I like what you said about FanDuel.If you don't play Kyron, a chain, or the two quarterbacks, you play Tyree, Cooper, Puka, might even be less than 10%.Why can't they get there?And the bonus addition on FanDuel is huge for them.
That three points goes a long, long way for sure.So if you're playing FanDuel, that's how I'd love to get difference.Otherwise, no.I mean, man, I did not really think I'd be coming on and saying Alec Ingold and Davis Allen were solid plays.
I think this is a slate where two or three could be enough.I think it's a lot difference than a lot of the slates we've had throughout the year, because value looks real, real different.
Even OBJ, this Whittington, 2-2, all those guys, like, they can easily all go for zero for 3K, 2K more than those $400 somewhat viable guys we have.So, no, it should be a fun one.
Tyreek, if he's out, all of our content will be updated behind the paywall, like always.
Yeah.And I think that was a good point you brought up too.Like it's crazy over on FanDuel, if you just want to risk it, like I will for sure.
It's, you could literally get 10%, you could get double the field on five people that you, five players that you pick and just leave the quarterbacks and running backs.You know that risk that you run, but it's not like you're leaving out everybody.
That means you're going to have, you're going to have Tyreek, Waddle, Kopp, Nakua.And then maybe you do get like 10 of each of the running backs and just have an underweight stance as part of your portfolio.I don't know.But, uh, Who brought this up?
No, just I like the the first names, you know, not the not hoop Tambo title Mike Tyler and Zach like that Where's our neighbors at though neighbors been here the whole time.
He originally coined that member titled the Show together, this is the crew we love that These guys That's a good one.Government name season over here.We're going to roll with it.Yeah, we love doing these shows, guys.It's a lot of fun.
I know it's hard on you today about the like button, but we do appreciate all the support.Happy Veterans Day out there to everybody who has served, is serving, supporting somebody, had someone who served, all of that.We appreciate that.
From Canada, happy Remembrance Day.I know it could be Travis and others in the chat.Hoop, final thoughts before we get out of here?
Yeah, it's been a solid week 10 so far.Let's finish strong tonight and get those Ship It Nation logos to the top.
Let's do it.I'm excited, man.It's week 10.Rounding it out.Gotta have a good one.I told this joke earlier too, but 11-11.Make a wish.It's November 11th.And the queue to get to Nashville tonight, which you guys know I'm chasing, is number 128.
And my birthday is january 28th.
So on 11 11 with the 128 call my shot Hopefully we can clip something like this instead of another hoop getting dunked on for mbs But if you want to check that out, I did pin it in the discord So you guys can go see it very easily.
I might watch it again That's gonna do it for this one guys for hoop for title and for myself totek and tambo.Let's ship it
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