What's poppin' congregation?It's your girl Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, and we're back for another installment of, yes you guessed it, Scam Goddess!The show where we break down cons, robberies, and frauds, and all those who perform them.
This is our theater. Guys, I'm very what?Yes, yes, I'm excited.I truly, like, I always say I'm excited, but y'all know I'm hype.I'm gonna add a hype to this one, okay?Because I'm so excited to get this guest.
I love her podcast and I've been so, oh gosh, just stalking to get this.I'm just chomping at the bit.Today we have Podcaster. host of My Favorite Murder, and co-founder of the podcast network Exactly Right Media, Georgia Hardstark.
Recently, Georgia's podcast network launched Waiting for Impact, a Dave Holmes passion project.Hey, Dave!
It's a 10-part limited series where Dave tracks down the little-known boy band, Sudden Impact, who was first introduced to us by the boys-to-men Motown Philly, Motown Philly music video, but then never seen again.Where did they go?
Congregation, please welcome Georgia Hardstark.
Lacey, it's so good to be here.I'm obsessed.I'm so excited to talk about this, my favorite topic, scamming.
Yes.Oh my gosh.And I just want to say, like, y'all's intro is also one of my favorites.People always comment on the intro of our podcast.I say our, like it's not me, but my podcast.It's a congregation.I love it.
Yes.And legally, you always need a collective us to point back to, you know. I don't know who did that over there in my podcast.It must have been us.Us, us.I'm including everybody.But I love y'all's intro.It's so chill.It's like my favorite.
I know Karen did it, and she did it as a first draft.And I was like, great, that's it.Let's do it.She was like, OK. It's not easy.It's how it happens.It's how it turns out, right?
Yes.Well, Georgia, I have to ask you, do you have a relationship with scams?Have you ever been scammed?Do you like scams?What's your vibe with scams?
As far as I know, thank goodness.I'm just an observer.I haven't been scammed, but the thing is I'm really gullible.So I'm actually shocked.
And maybe I just don't know that I've been scammed before, but I've definitely done the little things where like, there was one time where I,
I applied for a job that I really, really needed, and then came back and they were like, great, but you have to be in line with the Church of Scientology if you want this job.Little things like that, but I was like, okay, no, but I'm shocked.
Oh, you said no?I would have said praise Xenon.
I guess I didn't need it as bad as I thought I did, but I'm really gullible.I'll buy all the things.I'll fucking do all of that stuff.So I'm actually shocked I haven't fallen for a scam yet.Okay.
So your phone algorithm really listens to you.It's like, oh girl, wait till you log on the app next time.Yeah.
Okay.I'll buy the subscription.All right.You say that that's the best like vitamin C serum in the world.I'll buy it.Like it's ridiculous.
I'll rub them creams on my face.Listen, I will rub a cream, okay?Any kind of cream.I'm like, it's going to keep me moist.It's going to keep me young.
And I, and I do, I'm like the, the, the scam maybe, or the cult of Botox, the cult of, like, I'm just there.I'm there.Why not?
I love it.I split, I spend my evening slathering myself in cream.So I'm right there with you.Whatever they say is going to work.I'm like, yeah, put it in my veins.
Between my toe? And it's gonna make my toes look younger.Y'all promise?Okay.Give it to me.I'm trying to get my wiki feet up.By the way, y'all, please, go give me five stars on wiki feet, because your girl.
That is my obsession, and my husband gets so upset with me, because I post photos of, my cats have an Instagram account, my puppy, and they're always sitting on my feet and looking adorable.
And so I always post these photos, and he's like, you're asking for it.And I have a wiki feet, and I have five stars. I don't know, man.
Like that's the one thing where I'm like, yeah, I you know, I'm self-conscious about a lot of things, but I'm like, my feet are fucking cute.Like that is the thing that I'm like. Okay.
You better have some popping toes.My feet are not cute.My feet are not cute.My feet look like I've been dancing in bricks, you know, doing the cha-cha on glass.Yeah.I'm shocked that I have a decent score.
It's like four and like a little sliver of the fifth, but y'all go run it up.Go tell them my feet are cute.
I know.Everyone, five stars for Lacey and Georgia.Please, on Wikifeet.Rate, review, subscribe to our Wikifeet.
Right, I guess I should tell you to do that to the podcast.Please also read the podcast.But also feet, but also feet.But more importantly, feet.No, okay, so I love when we get a guest on that says that they're like a little gullible.
Also know that that is a free advertisement to the congregation and they will try to rob you.They try to rob me all the time.Is this where I give you my social security number?Yes, and your driver's license as a funny bit.It's hilarious.Sing it.Sure.
I just want you to sing a song.Do you know your social security number?Can you sing that one?
Cars for kids has always disturbed me.Why is it a K in front of the cars?We never need that.And I don't ever see the kids in the cars.Where the cars going?
That's right.Give children cars.
Give children cars.So let's get into our first segment. This is called What's Hot in Fraud.This is where we warn our listeners about a poppin' scam and the zeitgeist.And more often than not, we get a letter from one of y'all in the congregation.
As always, snitch on your friends and family.Just make sure the scam is retired so we don't what?Yes, fuck up your bag.Scam Goddess Pod at gmail.com.And I need a fake name, Georgia.We don't care about gender.Okay, Skylar. Skylar.Oh, I like that.
I like Skylar.Goes with anything.Goes with anything.So Skylar.Skylar says, I'm gay and grateful.Okay.Amen.That's great.That's not how he wrote it, but that's how I'm going to say it.I'm gay and grateful.Amen.I love that.
So I'm getting grateful because today I did not get scammed, but an attempt was made.Oh, and then also some nice stuff.Oh, you're really sweet, Skylar.Okay, so on to the scam, Skylar says.
So I was being a little thot today, minding my business on Grindr, talking to boys when this beautiful man hit me up.He was hot. but not so hot that I was thinking he was out to get me.Okay, so medium hot, medium sexy.
I guess that when a guy hits on you and he's so beautiful and you're like, what are you doing?That's me at least.My self-esteem probably isn't high enough that a model would hit on me. Is that terrible?
No, no.Honestly, like if you're too fine, that's too much.I got to think about your fine ass leaving the house all the time in the throes of people throwing themselves at you.I like medium ugly.
Like I'm cute and quirky, but I'm not a model.And I am aware of that.So like, what are you?Yeah, not not OK.
It's hard, though.I once dated a really aggressively hot man and he was dumb as a rock child.He thought Atlanta was a state.I'm not even playing.
Listen, when you didn't struggle a little bit as a child, cause you had some awkward years and you don't, you never had to like build up your personality and your brains.You know what I mean?You didn't have to read books.You were sexy.
Everyone gave you everything.Why would you try?
Right.Why would you hide that sexy ass face behind a book?You got to hold them up to your mystery.I mean, everyone just wants to see your face.Oh, must be nice.So. So he's like, okay, he medium hot.He doesn't look like he trying to scam me, right?
So we chat for a few minutes and he sends me nudes.Okay, well, this is Grindr, so I know y'all really don't.I've been with people for years.They ain't getting a picture of my booty hole.That's reserved for Mark Zuckerberg.
that's reserved for whoever has to fix my phone at the genius bar who gets to see the like tasteful nude you know it's not like a like a nip whatever i love that for you i really don't send nudes uh just because i'm just one guy who always wanted me to send him a nude
And so one time I took a picture of my face and then I drew a stick body on it with some big old titties and a boot.I was like, here you go.This is the closest you're going to get.Hell yeah.
I loved like I love the turning down of the news once in a while when I'm bored in bed and my husband's watching TV, I'll just send him a funny nip like a funny one.
I like that.Keep the relationship spicy.
And then I forget to delete it.Smart. Yeah, then your phone is very not safe for work.Exactly.Love it.It always comes up when you're like looking for something with friends and it's like, hey, hold on, hold on.Or my nephew.
And then it's like, oh, nothing.Auntie George is fine.Don't worry.Your nephew was like, Auntie George, do you got games on your phone?
He opens it up, it's just one nipple.
He wanted to play Roblox.Instead he got some Auntie Nip.I mean, hey, it's natural.Free the nipples.So he sends the news.At this point, I'm like, all in.When can we meet?
He asked to see some more pics of me, so I sent him my high quality, finest, naked photographs.Then he asked me for my number so we can exchange videos. Well, damn, why don't y'all just meet up?At this point, you gonna send the whole porn over?
Free porn?Right.They got a hub for that.Yeah.So this is where it all went sideways.My phone lights up with 20 plus photos from him.So I open the messages ready to see some ass.Nope.I also love the way you wrote this, Skylar.It's great.
That's a great writer right there. Right, he went to my Instagram, linked on my grinder, and screenshotted, screenshot?
He screenshot all the people I follow.Oh no.Yes, and was now sending me all the screenshots of those as well as screenshots of my nudes and our chats, threatening to message them all of this unless I send him $300.
Also, like, I don't, that's not how blackmail work.Like, I'll sell you $300 now.Then I'm going to have to keep sending you $300 every time you feel like you want to send in my booty hole to my customer.
That's what I've never understood.It's like they still have it.And if you're willing to do $300, then you're probably willing to do more.
Exactly.I feel like this will become a regular occurrence.Like, Hey, if you don't want this booty hole, go to your auntie.
Hey, I'm a couple bucks short rent this month.Remember how I own your life?So what happened?I have like, this is my biggest nightmare.Like, not that I send out this kind of thing, but like, What do you do?Extorting you.
So it says they didn't just want $300 in cash, but a $300 iTunes gift card.Now, why are you bringing Steve Jobs into this?
It's like, you just, what is, yeah, you just need to download Motown Philly.Like, what are you, you need singles?I don't understand.I'm trying to be ready for the new Rihanna album whenever it drops.Yeah, like I have nothing to work out to lately.
Right.I need some movies for the airplane.So either send me $300 in an iTunes gift card or I ruin you.Right, right.So I was like, so the person said that I didn't have $300 to give.I was like, OK, this is messy.But one, I don't have $300 to give.
Two, they were good nudes.Leak them.To get ahead of it.Exactly. I did post on Instagram what was happening in case any of my friends got unsolicited nudes, the gag.A couple people offered to send me money to see my nudes.So thanks, scammer.
Yeah.See, this is exactly what I always thought is like, get ahead of it, post the fucking photo yourself, make a joke about it. Like, who cares about it?It's a naked, like, everyone's trying to hook up.
Everyone knows how hard it is, like, these days to hook up.No one's going to judge you because you sent a nude or a video to someone you thought was hot.Like, who fucking cares?Especially if they were good tasting nudes.That's right.Like, who cares?
And this happens to celebrities when they hack their phones.I've seen a few celebs leak their own news because they're like, it's going to come out anyway.
Totally.I just don't see the big deal about it.
Yeah, it's just the body.I mean, I'm not trying to have my pussy on Beyonce's internet.Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.I'm not like volunteering in any way.However.My mama be on here.
Yeah.She know how to get on the internet now, so I can't be having all that, but.
That's right.And that's why you just need to make sure you have tasteful nudes, you know?Nothing you wouldn't want your grandma to see.
And don't put your face in it.Oh, that's a great point.Or tattoos, any identifying markings.And you can easily go on airbrush and wipe out a mole or something that would give it away to you.
Oh, you're good, yeah.It's like you've been doing this for a while.
Right, I was like, I don't send news, but if I did.You've heard it all.So he was like, all right, whatever, right?The scammer got me some coins.So he texted me from four different numbers for about 30 minutes before going silent.
So clearly he had given up.He said he was going to ruin my life by sending them, but it's just my naked body and I'm not ashamed.And thankfully, I have no professional contacts on Instagram.
Please let your LGBTQIA plus congregation know to be careful sending nudes on Grindr.People are messy out there.Thank you for the show.Oh, thank you.More nice stuff.Love you, Skylar.
Oh, that is that's a triumph story, you know?Right.That's like twists and turns.And I like it comes out as a happy ending.And like, yeah, I'm like, oh, and you're like good enough that other people want your nudes.Like, I, I applaud you.
Skylar must be fine.Because the girls weren't deeming him like, oh my God, Skylar, that's so dry.I'm so sorry you're going through this.
They were like, okay, so is he going to send them to me or should I just pay to get them now?I feel like you've now found your next hookup in your friend group.It turns out you have friends that have crushes on you this whole time.
Right.Or Skylar, get the OnlyFans pop in.Clearly you got some fans.
Yeah, do it.Oh, I'm such a champion for that.
Right.I'm so happy for him.This is a great ending.But I love that the scammer just gave up and didn't do the blackmail, because that's the thing about blackmail.OK, so are you going to do the blackmail?You're not going to get no money.So, right.
He's going to do it to be mean.It's probably like he does it all day and it's like worth a half an hour each.And if it's not going to happen within a half an hour, move the fuck on.Or you're like, you know, time is money. It's diminishing returns.
Exactly.This is his job.He's probably on there.He's like, all right, eight hours on Grindr.
Hitting everybody up.Oh, that's sad.And I will say that, like, even though I think that this is a scam that could definitely work for anybody of any sexual orientation, you should all be very careful sending your nudes.
There's something very particular about Grindr because it's a place where, you know, a lot of mostly gay men get on.And gay men move different than the rest of us.Like they like All right.Hi.How was your afternoon?Here's a pic of my hole.
Yeah, it's refreshing.It's real fast.Yeah.So I think that that your point of take out any identifying features is like the way to do it.Some super not anti nudes, honestly, like do your thing, but like take out identifying features.It's so smart.
Like all they want is a dick pic.So. Exactly.
And I'm not saying there aren't conservative, good Christian gays out there.I'm just saying the people who be on Grindr be there to grind.They like, OK, it says you actually 27 feet away from me.Are you in the apartment next door?
It's a little too far, so sorry, no.Yeah, exactly.Oh, I love it.
Yes, I love this for you, Skylar.I'm glad you didn't get scammed and you stuck to your guns.We always say this on this show, y'all.Don't do the blackmail.Why?Because when somebody blackmails you, guess what?They gonna keep blackmailing you.
Now it's Black FedEx.They gonna be doing it every day.
The post office is out at this point and it's FedEx and you're fucked.
Right.You can black UPS, honey.They come in.What can what can Brown do for you?What can black do for you?
Black male?Oh, it's so scary out there.It's like terrifies me.
Right.That's also like, how would you know?Because that's a typical conversation on that app.So you wouldn't even think like, oh, this is weird that they sent me news so fast.You just be like, hell yeah.Like, and they look good.Yeah.Oh, damn.
I'm sorry.Sorry to that sexy man that she didn't get your blackmail.But I'm sure you got a few other people that day.
Oh, yeah.You're you're in and out.I have a feeling sexy man's rent is paid.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.So guys, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be back for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwinks. And we are back and it's time for my favorite segment, historic hoodwinks.
Oh, Georgia, you just really brought some light to I had a long day at work and I'm just so excited right now to be with you.
I'm so happy to be here.This is like to be with you on the Internet.The coolest, coolest topics, the coolest podcast.Yes.
Thank you. Okay, guys, y'all have been DMing me, tweeting me, emailing me.I think I got a letter from the postman as well about this.You might've hit up my mama.Damn, okay, we're talking about LuLaRoe. You wanted it, we got it.
Leggings, pumpkin spice leggings for all, okay?So today we're talking about iconic leggings company and clothier, Kaylin.Clothier, is that a word? Shout out to my researcher, Kalen Brandt.Clothier.Am I even saying that right?Is it clothier?
Clothier sounds funner.Clothier?
Y'all will tell us.It's a fake one.Whatever it is, it's fake.And I don't buy it.
And I love it.It's fancy.I'm gonna start saying that.Yeah, I got these for my clothier.
Can't get this shit everywhere, okay?Oh my God.I'm really excited about this because I don't know a lot about it.
I don't know if it's, I feel like I have missed out on a lot of these multi-level marketing scams because I'm not friends with anyone I went to high school with because I hate the town I grew up in.
So I left and was like, goodbye, like not even on Facebook.So I really don't get like, I don't get sold these things.
Damn, not even on Facebook.Look, I let the girls from high school see me on Facebook, and I had the Instagram just post automatically.
I was class president, so I had to throw the 10-year reunion.And while I thought of the reunion, and child, I was so damn tired.I had went to Texas, looked at the video with my VP, also best friend, shout out to Shireen.
But then I didn't realize that when I booked my flight off Cheapo Air.Yeah. I thought it was booked.I don't ever open flights when they come in an email, because I'm like, I need to be able to find it later.
So the night before, I'm packing my little bag to go down here and see the girls.And I realized the flight confirmation that I thought was a confirmation was actually Chippo being like, oh, hey, girl, we actually don't got that flight no more.
That is not an email.That is a phone call.I'm sorry.Yeah, can you call?I feel like you can't be like, confirmed, and then you shoot me an email.Nobody opens their emails from the flight.
That's like sending me a letter talking about, girl, your house is on fire.
Like, I think you need to talk to me a little quicker than that.
But see, you are popular.Like in Texas too, I feel like you can be popular.I'm from Orange County and I hated it.And so I don't talk to anyone from there anymore.The OC?The OC.I hate it.You don't talk to Lauren anymore?
I don't talk to Elizabeth with a Z. I don't talk to Elizabeth with an S. I don't talk to Elizabeth with a, whatever. I don't.So with the J, we don't know how it's silent.Just don't worry about it.It fucking works.She's rich.
So I don't know a lot about Lula, Lula, Lula Rowe.Yes, Lula Rowe.
I'm excited.So, yes, I'm excited, too.But yeah, that little tangent.Like so my high school friends, I was not popular in high school.I was powerful. And there is a difference.I just ran everything.So that's why people knew me.I was a prom queen.
I was over there like getting the tiaras together and making sure the votes was in, you know?
But I said all that just to say the reunion thing, because it's funny that you said like, okay, you don't fuck with the OC people.When I didn't make it to the reunion, my best friend Shereen put me on FaceTime to be like, oh, see.
To the thing you threw?Oh my God.No.And why did she put me on FaceTime if somebody from high school was in the back talking shit about me?So she just planned this whole thing and she couldn't even bother to show up?
Bullshit.Fuck that. in high school.It's high school all over again.Ten years later.Right.
And now and now I'm on TV a little bit.So they think I'm going Hollywood.I'm like, honey, no, we haven't.I just I'm dumb enough that I didn't book a flight.I know a little bit.Georgia, I know you do.
I'm sure your hometown be like, yeah, I know Georgia.
We had fifth period together.
I'm not going to lie.Every time I like a girl, a lovely girl comes up to me in public and it's like, I love your podcast.Every time I get giddy because it does.It's like a cult.It's the best. It is.
And it's also shocking to me because I probably get recognized more for my podcast than anything I've done on TV, which I'm always like, but I don't see me on there.But I guess I know.
Isn't it weird?But it's because they know you like your personality.
And I love y'all.I love when y'all come up and say, what's up? So guys, to LuLaRoe, because I know some of y'all are screaming at the AirPods or radio or however the fuck you listen to this.Like, bitch, if y'all don't get on with it.Yeah, stop it.
Get to it.I read two sentences and then we went on like a 10 minute tangent.All right, LuLaRoe.Maybe I'll put an episode marker in here so y'all know where to start.No, I won't do that.You'll suffer.Do not skip.
Do not skip the fucking pointless banter. Right.It's good.So here we go.So LuLaRoe has been at the center of controversy for its business practices, product quality, and inability to take responsibility for its wrongdoings.
The company known for lavish employee cruises and star-studded conventions has been sued over 50 times since its founding. I'm surprised I haven't been sued more, to be quite honest.
That's actually not that many for a huge company, right?
And click on that star-studded conventions, because I'm trying to see.I want Georgia to see what these leggings is giving, because honey.Yes, please.They're giving Party City.They're giving Halloween.
Oh, so this is actually a little video of one of the conventions.So I want you to see a little bit of this video of the convention, because there's very much a cult-like atmosphere.Like, why do they look like they about to do a concert?
Is this about to be a Beyoncé concert?Why are y'all on this stage with this lady?Katy Perry. She looks scared a little.
So they also wrote their celebrities and we'll get to more of that, but like they would have these conventions and they would have celebrities come and perform.
So I think Katy Perry came, Kelly Clarkson, which if you're talking about middle America, white women, oh, they, they got the right ones with Katy and Kelly.
There was crying in the audience for sure.
Everyone's singing along.Oh, my God.
I mean, the amount of money it probably takes to book that level is, like, ridiculous.
Yeah, I think Katie was, like, 5 mil.Jesus.
All right.So they're doing good.
Right.My dream is to be booked on something.It is run by scam artists.My check cleared.My check cleared.Definitely does.And I will do it because I've done some shady bookings.
I remember one time I paid a ridiculous amount of money for 20 minutes of work for a tech company to come in and play with a ruler that I needed to figure out how to open.No. And that was it.
And I thought, maybe I'm gonna get murdered when I go, or maybe they gonna pay me.
And I still went.It was at a warehouse.It's like win-win.Oh my God.Yeah.Make the money.You know, my dad always says there's no shame in a paycheck.So please do.Right.Listen, get the coins.
So the beginning of the company, LuLaRoe is a wholesale clothing company known for their eccentrically patterned leggings and multi-level marketing operations. So the company was founded by Deanne Brady and her husband, Mark Stidham, in 2012.
And it's named after their three grandchildren, Lucy, Lola, and Monroe.
Those are good names.Those are cute.That's a cute, I like naming your company after that.That's cute.
Now, if your company's a scam, now you didn't brought your grandbabies in it.Why are they in it?Why are they in it?Now, you saw those leggings, Georgia.Can we get those leggings back up?Because I need to assist. Like, I don't mind them.
They're not stupid.Okay, so right now we're looking at some leggings.I can't tell what's on these leggings.Is it cake?
Is it a three-layer cake?It is like a, yeah.They're very 80s.They're very like what we wore in the 80s.
And then we got one that's like purple and pink and yellow and it's giving NASA logo, it's giving signs.And then we got one that looks like it's got pink pizza on it.I don't know what that's supposed to be, Jess.
I think those are cakes too, but it does look like pink pizza.Okay.And the girls are flexing.They got one leg out like, bam, look at these leggings.You hoes could never. or you could join us and never get out.
So the company that would become LuLaRoe in 2012 basically started when De'Anne moved from buying clothing wholesale to sell at dress parties to designing her own maxi skirts.
So she was going down to the santee alleys or to, you know, wherever you can get your little hookups, you know, you can get your bootleg Kylie Jenner lip kit that will burn your mouth.She was going there.
And she went, and I saw this in a documentary, and she was like, oh, these dresses are so cheap and they look just like the fancy ones from Macy's, you know?And so she was like, a light went off.
She was like, I'm going to buy a bunch of these and I'm going to start slanging them.I'm going to start throwing some parties.I'm going to have some accoutrements.
I'm going to have, you know, a little hors d'oeuvre for the girls and I'm going to slang these dresses.
A chocolate fountain and come buy some dresses for Oprah.And come buy some dresses.
So this is how she dipped her toe.Then she started designing maxi skirts.Okay, so her maxi skirts immediately became popular with her friends, prompting De'Anne, or yeah, De'Anne, to officially start her own business.
So she started with a little maxi skirt.All you gotta do is connect one piece of fabric to the other.Bam, you got a skirt.
It is the most simple garment you could probably create.I could do it.And I don't know what I'm doing on the sewing machine.
Right.It was like she started by making scarves.She cut out a piece of fabric and wrapped it around her neck.Very intricate.Yeah.Very hard to do.Complicated.
So in January 2013, D'Anne and Mark filed for an LLC and eight months later opened their home office in Corona, California.
According to one of D'Anne's early dress party hosts, she was asked to join LuLuRoe immediately, but one of, this is a quote, one of the many reasons I didn't want to join in the beginning was because D'Anne seemed unorganized and honestly, a little unstable.
Okay, well, it all adds up.It all adds up.Also, can I fucking point out Orange County?Corona is in Orange County, if I'm not mistaken.So this is all adding up to me.So these are your homegirls.
Girl, if you stayed on Facebook, you could have some bomb leggings right now.I mean, they would just have bombs on them.Right.And I would be in debt, in massive, massive debt.
You could have a skirt.I could have had a maxi skirt, a mini skirt, a midi skirt.Georgia, you played yourself.You could have been all types of skirts right now.What are you doing?
If only I'd been popular. So DeAnne's son, Kenneth, was made VP of sales.Her daughter, Amelia, was made brand ambassador.And Amelia's husband, Justin, was made chief marketing officer.
And DeAnne's son, Jordan, was made head of leadership and culture development, to name a few of the family employees.So do you want to guess how much experience and training they had in any of this?I'm going to guess zero.
And also, you know it's a scam when you start putting your family on the payroll because they're the ones who really can't say shit because they got skin in the game.That's what Bernie Madoff did.
He was like, hey y'all, come work for my Ponzi, I mean, business.
Oh no, this is just like, it's like, it's like 101 of how to set up a scam.
Gotta keep it in the family.
Yeah, yeah.And it's so funny, because we just finished watching The Righteous Gemstones for the second time, and it is like all the exact same fucking stuff.
Because family can't snitch, not in this capacity.If your check is tied to the crime, like you can't snitch.You're part of it.You're part of it.So when LuLaRoe launched their trademark leggings in 2014, the company exploded.Oded, oded.
At the time, the product was the company's biggest selling point.The leggings were comfortable, affordable, fit a wide variety of body types.It's like a muumuu for your legs.And it came in a near endless variety of patterns.
Consultants purchased inventory directly from LuLaRoe at wholesale, meaning they owned the inventory and kept the profits.They then sell the clothes on Facebook Marketplace or at clothing parties.
In March 2015, the company had 1,000 consultants brought in by social media campaigns promising full-time income for part-time work.Come on, stay-at-home moms, make a little mad money so you can leave your man.
So, and the freedom to stay home with your cheering.Yes.So by 2016, the company had over 60,000 consultants and were earning more than $1 billion in revenue.Wow.Wow.On leggings.On leggings, bro.
And like, this was a good time for leggings because this is when all of the girls, including myself, were in our pumpkin spice era.I believe I was in college and I was definitely, you know, giving a legging and a hug.
I was going to say, those look good together.Yes.My first year of college, I dressed up for class and everybody thought I was so weird.I would wear heels to class.
I was an insane person.This is my life.And then.
Right.And that was, yeah, sophomore season, I was like, oh, nah, I'm about to be a sweat.I'm gonna roll out of bed 10 minutes before.I'm not taking the class if attendance is weighed into the grade.Absolutely not.Why would you?
First, first, uh, class day when they were like, oh, attendance is met.I was like, uh, before they got mandatory, I was like, uh, drop.Bite, bite, bite.I come to class when I feel like it.That's right.
And I was on scholarship.Trash.But I use my personality to get through that scholarship.
Listen, sometimes racism be working in your favor.Not often, but when it does, I let it happen.I would go into office hours in sweats and be like, oh, I just really need to keep my scholarship.And can you give me the answers?
And they thought I ran track.I was there on an academic scholarship, but they didn't need to know that.
They just assumed.I was wearing sweats.That's on them, really.Right.I was wearing sweats and being black.They just thought that I ran.It's not my fault.
So many of the early consultants were stay-at-home mothers making little income and were enamored with the possibility of changing their lives, selling clothes and being clothiers. So becoming a consultant.
Once LuLaRoe began taking on more consultants, they put a greater emphasis on recruitment, team building, and building current consultants downline.
See, this is where it gets ugly and gross and sad.Downline.Yeah.This is where everyone gets fucked, I think.
A downline, if you guys don't know, refers to members who have joined the program under the consultant, whose referrals and sales generate income for those in their upline or people above them.
So in order to join the company, consultants had to pay the buy-in fee, which meant at the lowest, which was like basically the lowest tier, you had to purchase $5,000 to $6,000 worth of inventory at the minimum.
That is so much money.Like that is... your family, everyone giving you, you know, some startup fee.Like that is not a small chunk of change for like, you know, a housewife and fucking wherever the shit, you know?That makes me so sad.
Right.Like 5Gs, especially in middle America, like you can do a lot with 5Gs.So let's look at the initial order packages here.We have package one. Okay.So total of pieces, you get 290 pieces and it costs you $4,925.75.That 75 cents is disrespectful.
Like 75 cents, bitch.What is that for? So initial order package two, you get 390 pieces and it's $6,678.50, again with the change, bitch.If y'all don't round this off.And then package three, if you really trying to get robbed, that is 515 leggings.
It's almost like each of these packages are like, how many friends do you think you really have?
How popular are you?Exactly.
How many people can you rob?
Are you a Libra?You should probably go with the 515.
How much do you hate your friends and family and want them to hate you too?Because you got a lot of friends.That's right.
And then for the last, the least expensive package, for some reason, it's at the bottom, but it's 105 pieces and that's $2,000, $2,047.25.That's an add-on, so you can't even do that.Oh, that's an add-on.
Damn, so you got to get that with the package number three.Yeah, there's no, there's nothing under.We do it by Zodiac sign.They're like, are you a Gemini?You should start small.That's me.Are you a Scorpio?
It would be like, you absolutely shouldn't do this.You're a homebody and a little agoraphobic and you kind of hate people.
So I would go ahead and- All right, juveniles, y'all start small.
Leos, we already know y'all gonna go big.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cancers also need to start small.I'm a cancer, I feel like.
Tourists, if you're a tourist, get the biggest package you can.
Biggest package, because you got a lot of friends.
Friends, and you're a great talker, so go ahead.
Right, and you're a good caretaker.People just buy them because they think you care about their legs, right?You know, like, get them.I'll do the Lularoom Zodiac breakdown for you guys.
I love it. So in order to afford the onboarding packages, LuLaRoe and those in the consultant's upline encouraged taking out loans, asking family members for money, taking out credit cards, and even slanging breast milk.What?
I mean, go for it.That's if you can actually make money doing that.To everyone, even women who don't have babies, like just sling that breast milk.
All right.Like, girl, why are you letting that titty milk go to waste to the baby?
Put him on Similac and slang that titty milk.Open your baby an LLC and start selling them out. Oh my God, this is so shit.Obviously it reminds me of when I was trying to plan my wedding and we paid for ourself, there's no money and I'd call venues.
And one venue was like, it's this much money, which was so insane.And then I was like, okay, do you have anything lower?And they were like, well, we would suggest asking your family for money.
And some people like, don't tell me how to rip my family off for my fucking wedding. It was just such a scam.All right.
So do we have any cheaper packages?No, but what we do suggest is that you hit up... Have you thought about GoFundMe?
We think your family's rich like everyone else's, so go ask them for it.
Girl, you had to sell that titimilk, okay?I'm like, Catherine, you're still pumping?Your son's eight.Yeah, I need this money for LuLaRoe.
I gotta pay back that add-on package.I really shouldn't have got that.Gotta sell this black market titimilk, okay?
So according to one woman, I was urged to stop paying my bills to invest in more inventory.I was urged to get rid of my television.I was urged to pawn my vehicle. I said, girl, you ain't got nowhere to go, right?You're selling these leggings.
What do you need to drive to?That's right.
That's right.Don't take your kids anywhere.Just stay at home and sell leggings.
Get them involved.I love an employed child.Tell them the slang, them leg is every sis.
Those tiny hands, they can work real fast.
Oh yes, they can.You'd be surprised.So when ordering, retailers could pick styles, but not prints.Meaning they would be stuck with ugly, unsellable prints that they could make up like a large percentage of their inventory.
So basically you're ordering stuff you don't know what you're gonna get. their upline would encourage them to buy more inventory as a solution.
So if you got a bag and then you opened it and it was all like poop leggings, you'd be like, I can't sell these poop leggings.I'm like, well, then you need to buy another box, bitch.I don't know what you do.
You better buy people more of the scat play.
Sell your car, sell your titty milk and get, and then maybe next time you'll get the cool ones.
Right, girl, this is LuLaRoe, you only need one kidney, figure it out.
So, and that's a perfect part of the scam too, because you can't blame the company, well, the company actually used this as a good part of their scam, which was like, people would be like, Oh, I'm not selling these leggings because they're ugly.
And they will be like, no, you're not selling leggings because you're ugly.Get out there and sell them leggings.
And it's like, no, if your inventory is different from everybody else, it also impedes you calling up your other LuLuRu homegirl and being like, girl, I'm not moving these leggings because you don't have the same product.So how are we going to?
It's not apples to apples.It's not like we're all selling Mary Kay and we all got the same cream.
It's right.And you blame it on the person selling when really you you gave them a fucking shitty product.It's not their fault.
Yeah.If I go buy something that shows up and they're like, we don't know what it is, but you got to sell it.And I open this box of pig turds with it.But they're like, you got to sell it.Yeah.If you were better at selling, you could sell it.
Yeah, you can figure out who needs manure.You see, you gotta be a creative.That's right.You're not a go-getter.You're clearly a Gemini.
And that's what they would do.And they showed it on the documentary.It's like, especially the husband, he would gaslight these poor women and be like, your inventory's stale.No, you're stale.And that's a quote.He told these bitches they were stale.
You told these poor women they was stale.
How you gonna tell me I'm stale?And then like, that's the thing about these, once you're in it, you can't admit you were wrong and back out because you still owe your family money.Oh my God.And you're in a cult.
You're in a cult.So you're also like selling yourself as like, oh, I'm popping, I'm my own business woman, girl boss.Like you don't want to tell people like, I have a... I have a room full of leggings.
Right.I got scammed.I got fucking scammed.You can't say that.
Because there's a little bit of shame sometimes in scams.So like, you don't want to tell people that you got Lula robbed.So you just gotta keep going.So initially, Lula's compensation structure was order based.
meaning the upline would make bonuses dependent on how much inventory their downline ordered, not sold, right?
Consultants would be forced in a vicious cycle of technically bringing in a lot of money, but then immediately spending it all on inventory.
In 2016, LuLaRoe's heyday, the top 1% of LuLaRoe retailers made over $150,000 a month in bonuses, while the bottom 70% made zero.That's a lot for like,
Yeah, that's a lot.Yeah, that's a lot.
And they started encouraging the people who were consultants and, you know, the clothiers who were bringing people in.They were like, don't focus as much on selling the leggings as getting more people to sell the leggings.
Because that's where they're making the money.Right, and then people were like, it's feeling like a scam.No, no, no, no, no, no.You just making more people be able to live their dreams.After a $5,000 small investment. Right, right.
And you know these leggings were cheap as hell, so it's like the return that LuLaRoe's getting.Three cents each, I bet you, like, to make, right?Insane.
So in April 2017, LuLaRoe abruptly changed their compensation structure from being based on how much Downline was buying to how much they were actually selling.So in 2017, the scam girls started to feel like, mm, it's giving MLM.Yes. Yes.
And in the documentary, they have a video of the son or somebody who works at the company who's related to the parents.And he was like, OK, guys, we have to make this not be a Ponzi scheme.Like he's saying that.
So it was like, how do we change it so that it's not a Ponzi scheme?So I was like, bro, so y'all know?
You should not have said that out loud, dude.
Like, no video.No, you're an idiot.If you said that out loud. You clearly are a scammer.And you're going to be on 4K like, OK, so our current business model is crime.
So let's pitch around.Like, how do we make it not crime?Judy, go.I feel like that's not how you do that.No. So consultants that had previously made $3,000 a month in bonus checks suddenly made $500 to $1,500.
On a larger scale, it meant losses of tens of thousands of dollars.Consultants began to leave the company in masses, dropping from 60,000 in 2017 to 35,000 by September 2018.
Now, what I also have to say about this is, remember, they started with 1,000 consultants.A lot of people are selling on Facebook.They've risen to 60,000 consultants.And we're talking mostly middle America here. The market is saturated.Absolutely.
How close to sell leggings if everybody who comes to the legging party also slinging leggings?
That's right.That's what that's the problem with these things, is that you get your family and friends involved.And that means your family and friends don't need to buy it from you anymore.Right.It just doesn't work.
I'm just so confused as to how we all supposed to sell leggings when we all sell leggings.Who are we selling them to?
There's nobody else.There's no one.You can't go from the supermarkets to some random person and be like, do you want to buy leggings?I'm DMing people on Instagram like, I got these leggings.
They're like, I do too.Damn.Shit.Shit.All right.Damn it.Do you know anybody who's not selling them?
No.Oh my God.We're all selling leggings.No, but I recruited everyone I know, so no.
So in the same month, in an effort to stymie the hemorrhaging of tens of thousands of consultants, the company announced that they would offer 100 percent refunds and pay shipping for all unsold products should a consultant wish to leave the company.
OK, so yeah, so that's what they're like.Girl, we'll bottom leg is bad like we don't want to go to prison, federal prison.
So yeah, that's not cute.
Now we now know. So LuLaRoe issued over $120 million in refunds and abruptly announced the end of the policy September 2017, five months after it was announced to be a policy without a timeframe.
So they said in the beginning, and I saw the documents, they were like, okay, we're gonna give the girls refunds, y'all, we're a legitimate company, and this is gonna last forever.
And then after $120 million, they're like, it's over, it's canceled, turn it off, oops, oops, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. No one actually knows how long forever is, so we've decided it's five months after we announced.
Listen, time isn't linear, it's a flat circle, so this is the end.
You call them, they start talking like Neil deGrasse Tyson.All right, so listen, the thing about time is, okay, you got a sundial, listen, okay, so this is a little early.In ancient times, there was, all right,
Right, when we said no end date, we also meant, um... Yeah.Mm-hmm.It could end any time.Let's sing about it.You know, it's hard to say goodbye to yesterday.That's a song.There's a reason.It's a song.It's because it's true.Exactly.
So anyway, I'm gonna hang up now.Keep the leggings. So designers were being asked to make upwards of 100 new prints a day, which resulted in stolen and poor quality prints.So we'll pull up one of these prints right now.
So when I was watching the documentary, and this is something I love in a good documentary.Yes.
So right now you're looking at leggings that have the leaning tower of Pisa in the crotch area of a cisgendered woman, and it looks like her dick is hanging to the side.It sure does.
Now, women can have penises, but I don't know if you want your penis on your pants as a woman.Are those hot dog leggings?They're hot dogs, and the hot dogs are emanating from the vajayjay.They are.They sure are.
Those are not well thought out.Okay.Oh, this one makes my coochie look like a mandala.This is a theme.They've got a theme going of unwearable leggings.
It's giving bullseye.It's giving hair.It's the vagina.It's very problematic.
And what's great about this documentary is that they interviewed one of the designers.And I love when they just let people talk and give them enough rope to hang themselves.
And she was like, yeah, I told everybody on the team, like, you got to change an original design 20% for it illegally not to be copyright.So I was I was just mine up 20 percent, change a color, move a pattern.
But other people, they just got lazy and started just stealing from Google images.
So she was like, I was ethical.
I stole people's designs and I changed them a little bit.That's right.I can't.I did it enough that you can't blame me.However, I am.Everybody else was stealing, stealing.
I was just like borrowing.
Yeah.Oh, my God.I can't wait.I can't wait to watch this.
And also another note about these cruises, because I saw this in the documentary, is my favorite part.
There was a black woman, only there's very few black people involved in the scam, because it was very much targeted towards like stay-at-home suburban white women and their circles.
There's a black woman who had got pretty high up and was invited to go on the cruises.And she was like, yeah, I never went on those cruises because I couldn't be on a boat full of white people in the ocean.And I was like, yes.
for someone's making sense.Also in the documentary, they talk about how, so the founders of this, Deanne and her husband, they're Mormon.They have 14 children and two of them got married. to each other.Wait, are you fucking kidding me?
Now that's no shade on Mormonism.These people are just weird themselves.And they adopted children, so they were like, oh, well, they were adopted, so they not technically like brother and sister, hee, hee, hee.
But they got married, they got a baby, hee, hee, hee.Like they pass over in the documentary like it's nothing.Like, yeah, two of our kids got married anyways, back to these leggings.
What in the actual fuck are you?Like, I don't want to I never kink shame.However, this is not a kink.That is incest.Like, what the fuck?
So I'm like, is like, are the siblings like, yeah, that's my nephew, cousin or what would that be?
Sisters and brothers.Oh, my God. It's my nephew and also my brother?I don't even know the math on that.That's making like if that happened, there's some shady shit in the family already.You know what I mean?Like, you don't that is not OK.
And you're taught that's not OK from a very young age. You don't even need to be taught that, which means there's something going on in that family.
Yeah, it's giving.But also, it's like they have 14 kids.They run a whole crime business.Like, when do they have time to spend time with these kids?No.Yeah, they absolutely didn't.
Guys, love is out there.You don't know.Could be your brother.Don't overlook.Listen, when you're on Grindr and you accidentally swipe on your brother, it's OK.
Have you thought about dating your brother, though?
I'm just saying, don't.Oh.I was like, absolutely not.I'm just saying, don't leave anything out.
Love could be right there.Asher has been off the table since the day I was born, and I am so OK with that.
That's because you never gave him a chance, Georgia.I didn't.You're 100 percent right. Oh, my God.That's all you.You could be looking at love right in the face.
So complaints were also issued for paper-thin garments that tore like tissue, moldy leggings that were shipped and sold soaking wet, or sun bleached shirts left out in loading yards.So this happened because LuLaRue started expanding really quickly.
And instead of, like, taking the time to make sure that they were doing things right, they ran out of room in their factories or their, you know, warehouse for the leggings.So they started putting them bitches outside.
And somebody was like, hey, De'Anne, I think it's raining today.Oh, it'll be all right.They in cardboard, right?And there's some plastic in there.Wrong.People were getting wet, moldy leggings.
And then when they got these leggings, they'd be like, huh, that's so weird.They were wet.Well, they would give them advice.They'd be like, OK, well, if you put it in the oven for a few minutes, it'll get rid of the stank on it.
And then you can slang it. Oh my God.So instead of even moldy leggings, they wouldn't let you return.They're like, are the leggings moldy or are you moldy, bitch?Maybe if you were selling faster, the leggings wouldn't have time to grow mold.
That's right.Mold is really in these days.All the clothiers are doing it.So continuing on.
So from March to October 2017, six class action lawsuits were filed, and they were filed on behalf of customers across the country claiming that LuLaRoe was knowingly selling defective products to consultants and then refusing to refund them.
Despite the overwhelming evidence and growing numbers of consultants filing complaints, LuLaRoe denied selling defective products or refusing to issue refunds. even though they did.So is it an MLM or a pyramid scheme?
In October and November of 2017, six more class action lawsuits were filed, this time alleging LuLaRoe was running a pyramid scheme and cheating consultants out of thousands of coins.
Pyramid schemes are a model based off of a promise of compensation for recruiting others into the program versus a model such as a multi-level marketing, which multi-level marketings are pyramid schemes, but they get away with it because they're saying, you're selling smoothies.
You have to pretend that the focus is on selling something, not recruiting.And it's bullshit, but at least you're like pretending or putting up a front.
Right, but it's something that you can't really, you know, it's got that good legal gray area that we love.We love a good legal gray area.So this is, you know, basically what their model is.
Well-known MLMs include Amway, which people call Scamway, Avon, Herbalife, and doTERRA, if you like essential oils.Right. And listen, I done got scammed by some essential oil.I was like, yeah, give me that mint.This is like nature's cocaine.
You just sniff it and you're like, I'm awake.I mean, is it a scam if you like it?You know what I mean?Right.I don't think it is.If you like it, I don't think it's a scam.If you buy it.
Yeah, I don't think it's a scam.
Right, I agree, I agree.So MLMs are legal because they have value in their product, whereas pyramid schemes are illegal because they have no products to sell.
One example presented in a 2019 lawsuit showed that $6 million was being made in bonuses, while at the same time, there was a negative $160,000 in retail profits.
Even after the change in compensation structure, one million more was being made in bonuses than retail profit.Surprisingly, when the product is moldy and ugly, it's hard to sell. Who da funk?Right.So lawsuits.
November 29th, 2018, My Dyer filed a lawsuit in Riverside Superior Court alleging that LuLaRoe owed them more than $48 million in unpaid invoices, including to UPS, more than $1 million, a labeling company, $100,000, and a garment supplier for $3 million.
So My Dryer was the company who was cranking out these leggings.
So LuLaRoe was like, run it up!And they were like, but you're not paying us.
They're like, we'll get you, we'll get you.
So the suit alleges that LuLaRoe ordered more product with the intention of defrauding My Dyer, knowing with their declining revenue, they would be unable to pay for it.So they tried to get it on Lelway.They tried to get it on Klarno.
On November 15, 2019, LuLaRoe countersued My Dyer for $1 billion, accusing the company of engaging in systemic, years-long scheme to defraud LuLaRoe by under-delivering and overcharging LuLaRoe for products.
So they were like, you're suing us, we're suing you.They're just unrelenting. They know how to gaslight even in legalese.Like, we suing you because you know what you did.Don't worry about it.
When they file a lawsuit, it just says they know what they did. But you have to write it down.No, they know.Yeah, they know.
With the eyes, with the emoji.
And we're suing for one billion dollars and a little pinky next to the mouth.Like what?So the suit was settled for 4.75 million in February 2021.Since 2016, over 50 lawsuits have been filed.
Like we said before, by mid 2021, LuLaRoe is still in business and had slashed startup costs by 90% to attract new retailers.So they are still scamming. To this day.I'm in, I'm in, let's do it.
Many former consultants are still left in debt and poverty due to their time with LuLaRoe, and many have banded together in Facebook groups in attempts to seek justice.Yeah.And I love this for them.
I will say that in the documentary that I watched, there was a woman who sells LuLaRoe, and she was like, I love LuLaRoe, I'ma sell LuLaRoe till I die. Oh my God, still?I said, bitch, not till you die.You gonna be in the casket with some leggings on?
With some pizza leggings?Selling it to the nursing home people that you live with?
She said, y'all, let me get some skulls on my burial leggings.
She got even classy for a burial?Yes, but she was dedicated.
There were people who lost their relationships because LuLaRoe also tried to get everybody involved.So they'd be like, oh, retire your husband was one of their phrases.
They'd be like, you know, you can sell so much in these legacy, you can retire your husband.They would bring the husbands to the retreats.They would ask them about their relationships.Like, it was a cult.They were really, roping people in.
And there was this whole lifestyle, like your whole life, your whole lifestyle, your whole family, your friends, like it is a cult.
And there was one disgruntled employee in the documentary who said that he couldn't forgive Kelly Clarkson for singing at a LuLaRoe event.Don't bring Kelly Clarkson into this.She got her money.Kelly is a nice girl from Texas.She just came.
They paid her to sing.She came and sang.It wasn't her fault.He was like, I still can't listen to her music.
Wow.Not since she's been gone sending you into a dark place.No.That's everyone's feel good song. Right.We all screaming.But not him.He's angry.But guys, that brings us to the end of this historic hoodwinks.
We'll be back for the saddest part of the show.That's where I have to let Georgia go. And we are back and it's time for Scammer of the Week.And this week, and this is where we talk about, you know, a scammer that we love.Maybe we don't.
Scam that we love, maybe we hate.We'll see.This week we're talking about Carla Willbone of Chicago. Chicago, I'm Chicago.
She was looking for a job when she fell victim to a scam that was a daisy chain of other, I'm sorry, that was a daisy chain of other victims who were then unknowingly turned into accomplices.
So much like you talked about, Georgia, earlier when you were looking for a job and they were like, okay, Hail Zenom, and you were like, I'm actually gonna go.
Seems like our girl Carla fell into a scam and then became an accomplice So Carla had found a second job as a remote assistant to the CEO of a company called Hawkins interior design her boss immediately sent her a check for $2,800 asking her to deposit it into her own account and then take out $2,600 in money orders to pay some bills for him.
Oh This is an old one y'all Anytime somebody sends you a check for money up front for work that you haven't done, or is like, hey, I don't have a bank account, can you deposit this $5,000 and then you can keep a little bit of it for yourself?
I had a friend's dad that, because older people, it happens all the time, happened to him. It's so sad.I know.
And I hate it, because the bank, if it's under a certain amount of money, they will be like, OK, girl.And now Bank of America will only clear you for $300, no matter how much you put in.They're like, girl, we don't.Let's see if it clears.
We know you're stupid, and you might get hoodwinked.So we're going to go ahead.We know your broke ass don't be depositing large sums of money.We're going to get this.We're going to wait.We'll let you know if you can have it.
But you know, some banks under a certain amount, they will let it clear.So by the time the check was discovered to be a fake by the bank, Carla had already sent money orders with the funds to an address in Michigan.Oh, honey.
Also, this not how money work no more.If it's checks to send, he could have sent the damn check.He got time to mail you a check, but he ain't got time to mail them a check.The thing is, just don't trust anyone.
Don't trust anyone, ever. Right?
And why was he giving you $200 out of it?Like you got to do nothing.To do nothing.
No.So that address turned out to belong to yet another woman who has chosen to rename Anonymous, whose online boyfriend of five years.Oh no.All right.You had me an online boyfriend of five.Online boy. Online boyfriend.
Those two words don't go together.
None of them words should go together.Five years online.You're getting catfished.
I'm like five years.I don't even want to pretend to be nobody.Boyfriend a girl for five years.
Like a real relationship for five years is almost impossible.
Right.At this one point doesn't become a real relationship because I feel like five years.It's like, oh, my God, man. This bitch can't die, all right.Hold on, I'll be with y'all in one second.Hey baby, how are you holding up?Like, what are we doing?
So a woman whose online boyfriend of five years had recently told her to expect a few shipments containing payments for paintings that he sold.Why he not mailing them to his house?Why a lot of things?
So through the so though the Michigan woman never met her boyfriend in person, only communicated via text.She was used to following his requests, believing that one day he might further their relationship.All right.Oh, my God.I've been ghosted.
I've dealt with fuck boys and girls like. I get, but five years and you've only texted this man and you're hoping, what?
I mean, you just know, like, that sucks.That's sad.And you just don't want to admit it to yourself.
Yeah, you really should.Sometimes we have to admit things to ourselves.Yeah, yeah.
So this particular time at his request, the Michigan woman forwarded the shipments to another address in hopes that they would be the funds that would allow him to return from Europe so that they could live together.Okay.
So now he's in Europe, he's like croissant, croissant.Yeah, sorry girl, I'm in the patisserie.I'm like, what?Sorry about that noise, boo.So a few years prior to that, the boyfriend asked her to pay for his open heart surgery.Oh my God.
Girl, his open heart surgery.Oh, I hate him.And y'all just texted, I hate this man.I did too.So it turns out that Carla's boss is the anonymous Michigan woman's boyfriend.So he run all types of scam.He was like, hey boo.
It turns out the triple bypass, they actually need to go in because they only did a double.So they got to do one more.It's going to be the same price.
Right, no discounts, no discounts on them.
Yeah, I need it today, otherwise I'm gonna be dead and then you gonna have a dead boyfriend.
Is that what you want?Yeah, then we'll never ever move forward and meet in person and stop everything.
Yeah, you wanna kill me?If I'm dead, then we definitely not gonna meet.And you know when I see you, girl, ooh, I'm a munch on your vagina. I'ma take you to steak dinner, which somehow I can afford, even though I don't have health care.I promise.
So, oh, Lord, he was running all types of scams.Unfortunately, now both women are heartbroken and out thousands of dollars in a domino effect of scams.So I'm not going to say that the woman who got a job that wasn't a real job is heartbroken.
But, you know, when you get robbed, that is sad.They're both sad.
Yeah, it sucks. And they're stupid too, probably, right?Like, it's humiliating.
And how do you, five years?You weren't like, send me a picture, let's FaceTime.
Like, we have all these... That's its own story all together.Like, how?
Girl, you need to go on Catfish and try to recoup some of these losses, because five years, that's too long.Well, all right, guys, that brings us to the end of the show.And as always, Georgia, we ask on the show, where would you like to be found?
What do you want people to find you?
Oh, Instagram at Hard Stark.And then I have a puppy kitten Instagram at it's oh shit.I don't even remember.Cookie and puppy and kitten.We got a puppy and kitten in the quarantine.It's a cookie and Moses.
Cookie and Moses, yes, get into that.People love a good animal account.I do.It's pretty cute.I never not like a post.I'm like, yes, this is a dog.I love this.All right, guys.
And as always, snitch on your friends and family at scamgoddesspod at gmail.com.If you want to see all the photos of these beautiful coochie leggings, scamgoddesspod. on all platforms.
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All right, guys.Congregation, stay scheming. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco.Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Laci Mosley, aka Scam Goddess.
It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Faiz, and researched by Kalen Brandt.Stay scheming!
This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.
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