Hello, everybody.Welcome back to another episode of the Santee Time podcast, where no matter if it's Easter time, Western time, or Pacific time, it'll always be Santee Time.Once again, I have AJ Ford with me on Santee Time.
And today we are talking, we are not only talking about Maxine, we're also going to talk about long legs today.So this will be a double discussion on two horror movies that came out this year.So how are we, how are we doing AJ?
I am, I am a tired boy.I've been working all weekend, but I did do a rewatch of Maxine and I saw long legs as early as I could.And, uh, I'm pumped to talk about both of them.Uh, one for positive reasons and the other for not positive reasons.
It's like a yin and a yang of, uh, a horror movies right now.
Oh, yeah, definitely.Definitely.Yeah.Like both movies, like were like two of my most anticipated movies, like one that I really loved and the other that I didn't that I didn't like as much.
And I'm really sad and disappointed that I didn't really like Maxine that much.But we'll, uh, we'll get into that for sure.
Little bit of positive news.Claro dropped her new album.
I know, man.I listen to it.Yeah.Yeah.I listen to it.Yeah.Yeah.I listened to it like in full when I was visiting my friend in the city.Like it's a great album.I like Claro.
It is my it is my a od as of right now and it's a year.Yeah, okay Is it because I'm a Claro Stan?Probably but that kind of lounge jazz bedroom pop is the kind of shit that I eat up Oh, yeah for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I would say my favorite song on the album is probably terrapin that's the song I keep going back up going back to and
I can't pick a song, they're all good.I can't really pick a song right now, so.
I don't think I do.Hold on, let me check my music board.
Pretty banger year for music.
CharlieXCX, we had a Vampire Weekend.I would... MGMT.
OK, OK, honestly, honestly, I would say I would say Casey's new album is album of the year.Deeper, well, yep, yep, I love deeper, well, deeper, well, is so good.
Like Casey, like it's Casey reinvent reinvented from her like usual low key country stuff to her full blown to her full blown dream pop stuff.And it's really cool to see.
I do love me some Casey Musgraves.I always have Golden Hour on and I have Oh What A World and My Favorite Songs playlist.
Oh yeah, definitely man.So yeah, let's get right into Oscar Perkins' Long Legs.It's a piece of Long Legs directed by Oz Perkins, signed off by Anthony Perkins, mostly famous for Psycho, playing the iconic
playing the iconic horror movie villain, Norman Bates.This is probably the most insane movie fact ever.Wouldn't you agree, AJ?
Um, kind of, but he does look eerily similar to Anthony Perkins.I will say that.
Though it's not too surprising for me, I guess. I don't know.I guess four just runs through his blood or something.Like you see the new long Chaney.I don't know.
But, uh, another fact about, uh, Mr. Oz Perkins is that he was, uh, he was Torquay Dave in Legally Blonde.He was like the most awkward Mr. of all time in Legally Blonde.
And he's like, he's like talking like this, like, hey, you're you want to go out with me?It's like the most stereotypical geek like ever.
That's so that's so crazy that like.
And he looks like that guy from Netsy Classified.Oh, one that like constantly screams, you moron, that guy.
Oh, my God.Yeah.Oh, yeah.
Anyway, Mr. Oz Perkins.First off, I really want to check out his work now.I heard you did a binge, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.I did have a binge through Oz's filmography before I saw Long Legs, just to, you know, what I... that I was going to get into.
The two movies that I watched before this were The Black Coat's Daughter and I Am the Pretty Thing in the Walls.The Black, okay, Black Coat's Daughter is, I think, is basically one of the most underrated horror movies we've had in the 2010s.
It came out at film festivals in 2016 and it didn't come out until at least
2018 I would say because like it went two years without an actual like theatrical release which is like which is like insane and I am the pretty thing in the walls despite its Negative reviews is actually cool.It's actually a great movie.
It is It is one of the book that dad like I am the pretty thing is one to be saddest most haunting like most haunting supernatural movies ever with two great performances from Lucy Boynton and Ruth Wilson.They were both just so fantastic.
Both movies have the dread, the slow burn to the big twist that's about to happen and the bloodshed that's about to be spilled. Ugh, it's great, man!
It seems like I would fuck with it, lately.Oh yeah.Oz has this kind of, like, atmospheric horror that I definitely fuck with.Like, even before I saw Long Legs, I tried to, like, um... I tried to be, like, scarce watching the trailers.
I didn't watch the trailers all that much, unless I was, like, in a theatre, kinda forced to, and I know the trailers that were released were... Like, what?Like, less than a minute most of the time?
Like, this movie had a trailer marketing campaign, and you and I both know that.Like, you and I have been following this for, like, ever since, like, we heard about it, basically.And, um, I think what also kind of sold me was, um,
Oz Perkins, I've seen him in interviews, he seems like a really fucking weird guy.I love that so much.He seems like the kind of guy that would direct those atmosphere cores. cinema joke.I'm sorry, go on.
And also like and also and also like something about that interview like that was weird is the fact that like Oz like is that Oz believes that the movies that he makes are the only like best kind of horror movies that are out right now and not something like from Ari Aster or Brennan Cronenberg, Julia Takano, like like like
Like all those filmmakers, they don't matter to him.Hey, Bob.Hey, good night.Yeah, yeah.I'm on a I'm on a podcast.OK.Anyway.And yeah, like.
I get like Oz, Oz just seems like one of those people who, who are not interested in new horror movies and only watch the same old horror movies like forever.
Like whether it's like, whether it's Halloween, like, like Nightmare on Elm Street, Psycho, those type of, like those type of movies don't only watch and not the new ones because like, they're not really open to like new horror, which
What's ironic is that he openly calls out Tai West.He's like, I'll never watch Maxine, I'll never watch Pearl.And it's like, okay, dude, Tai West aside from you is one of the few atmospheric filmmakers that we have working right now.
What the fuck do you have against Tai West?
uh that's what asymmetric to a fault which we'll get into that and which is why which is why i wanted to do this you know this double this like two movie discussion on long legs and maxine because oz you know like mentioned high west and like this
I don't really think that this was a coincidence at all that I wanted to talk about both movies, really.
I'm down.I'm absolutely down.One is my favorite movie of the year, and the other is the most disappointing movie of the year.
Whoa, really?Yeah.You said it was Hitman, like the last time we talked.
Things change, man.Things change.
I'm surprised you didn't see my tweet.I said enough time has passed and I updated the list.
Oof.Listen, I should talk about when Trump got shot.
I didn't want to look on the TL that long.
That is fair.I think the discourse with long legs lately has been honest to God, really annoying.And it might just be because it is my favorite movie of the year so far.
And like, the people that like it has like a 69% on Rotten Tomatoes in terms of the audience score.And I knew that was gonna happen.But
But, like, I see these reactions on, like, TikTok and Twitter, and I know it's their opinion, but they, like, clearly just wanted, like, a jump-scare fest.
They wanted, like, something that's actually, quote-unquote, the scariest movie ever made, without thinking that maybe, maybe, what might scare you may be subjective.Idiots. But like, I don't know.Like, people keep saying it's not scary.
I gotta disagree pretty strongly.I thought this was like skin-crawlingly, like psychologically horrifying.I thought this was like, it's easily my favorite horror movie of the decade.I'll say that.
Oh, it's either that or Pearl.I don't know.
Hot takes out the wazoo, man.
Did you hear that, Artperl?I don't know.We have long legs of the same grade, what are you talking about?
Okay, anyways, yeah, so, like that, so, uh, long legs is, um, is, I thought that is the... Okay, okay, I'm going to read the Long Legs IMDB summary right now, which I am going to pull up, just, uh, just to tell you guys what Long Legs is about.
It's basically Silence of the Lambs on crack.
Yeah, in pursuit of a serial killer, an FBI agent uncovers a series of occult clues that she must solve to end his terrifying killing spree.The cast includes Michael Monroe, Nicolas Cage, Claire Underwood, and Alicia Witt.
And let's just say all of them, ah, stellar.
Stellar actors, man.Stellar actors.Like, specifically, I am so obsessed with Maika Munro right now.Oh, no, I am too.
With her whole, like, well, like, standing next to, like, the long legs, like, posters, like, wearing the most, like, out there fits, like, ever, you know?Like, she's, like... I like her with the Alina outfits.
My... She's, like, she's the woman... A girl.I thought she's the kind of... She's the kind of woman that a pretty jack... to, let's just say that.
LIAM I would say so, like, I don't know, I got a thing for Brunette, and let me say, her character?Not bad lookin'.Not bad lookin'.
And also, also- ALICE Also, Agent Lee Harver is literally me!She acts autistic, like, come on!
LIAM Oh yeah, she is very autistic-coded.ALICE Fuck yeah. Do you want to explain the subtle details?For sure, yeah.
So there's a lot of subtle details into how Lee works as an agent.So when you're first introduced to her, she's plain-faced, doesn't react too much.Also, this is a big spoiler discussion for a long time.
Also, I'm just gonna put in a trigger warning in case I mention any disturbing things about what's going to transpire about my mentioning of what happens in Longlegs.So here we go.
When, in the beginning scene, when one of her, like, when her former partner gets shot in the fucking head, like, first off, that, like, That was so unexpected.I gasped in that fucking theater.And I was like, oh, okay, who did it?
And how she reacts as she's pointing her gun, it feels very claustrophobic.You're in there with her. It feels like you're kind of in there with her.
And whenever she's like, says details about the old long legs cases, she explains them in very specific detail.And for people who are on the spectrum, like myself, we explain things that are kind of in specific detail and react
And we respond to things that aren't, that think are actually literal, but they're really not.And when, uh, hold on a sec.And like, and of course, like, and, and that's, and that's the movie like goes further and
further and further along, the deeper that she goes into this case, like she begins to crack, she begins to crack and like her trauma starts to like, starts to like open up inside of her and like, and it, and it shows, you know, like it shows how, how a case can connect to your trauma and how your trauma can just like eat you up inside.
Like it's, it's great.Like it's really,
Get that it's really horrifying stuff so I love how we basically never see her like smile or even like I know mark it like once they give him when she's in the presence of Blair Underwood's child and the child is like you want to see my room like I feel like
anyone would have just like smiled a little bit and just went like oh yeah sure but but like instead she has like the most straight face straight like it just jumps to her in her room just like looking around i thought i thought that was funny it's also like it's also like she's kind of in like investigative
Well, because that room is a semblance of child innocence.It's the only living child innocence that is left.But the girl, thankfully, is okay.Thankfully, yeah.
And also, a lot of people are praising Micah and Nicolas Cage right now, but not a lot of people are talking about the performance that Blair Underwood gives here.
Oh yeah.He was really cool.Oh yeah.I don't know, for me, it was more so the Nick Cage and Micah Monroe show.Mainly because they have a lot more to do. But Blair Underwood did provide a lot of the... He's basically acting as the audience, I would say.
Yeah, and it's also like... I would say that he kind of provides comedic relief, but the movie isn't, of course, like... This is not... Long legs is not a laughing matter.
This is not something, this is not a movie for like, like this is not really a movie for like people's enjoyment to like laugh along to.
Like it is still a very disturbing movie, but like, but like there is like, but, but there is a bit of like humor in there, just a tiny bit of it to add some sort of levity into it.Like it's why like,
Like it's why the Batman is like the best comic book movie we've had in the last five years because like there's literally, like there's, there's literally a joke in that movie that, that involves a separate thumb attached to a flash drive.
Oh, this guy's hilarious.Thumb drive.Try this.
Um, but I was just gonna say like, I don't know what people keep on saying.Like I kept on laughing during this movie.I kept on laughing during this movie.This was so goofy.And I'm just like, I feel like it was intentional.
Like this feels like very Ari Aster like type humor where like it is like definitely goofy, but there's like, like an uncomfortable feeling within that goofiness.You know what I'm talking about?
Right, yeah.And you also want to laugh through that.And you're not laughing because it's funny.You're laughing because, like, what the fuck is going on?Like, you're nervous.It's kind of like a nervous laughter that's being presented here.
And it all has to do with the man, the myth, the legend himself, Nick Cage.Oh, damn it.I was going to make a Nick Cage joke, but now I lost my train of thought.
It'll come back to you.Who knows?
Well, you know what?I don't give a fuck!
Okay!Okay!Let's get into the Cage, man.Let's do it.Ugh.Anyway.Almost like, another great thing about this marketing, it doesn't at all reveal who Nick Cage looks like until you see the movie.That is incredibly genius.
No, it really isn't.In like the opening 5 minutes of this movie, like the friends that I've been talking to that have seen this movie, like the very first thing I would mention when talking about this movie to friends is that opening 5 minutes.
Like how would you feel about that?Because that is one of the best opening scenes that I have seen for a horror movie in a long time. I love the Polaroid aspect ratio.I love the snowy atmosphere.
I love how you can only see Nick Cage from the mouth down.And then it just leads to him
just leads to his face reveal which is like one big jump scare and it's like blinking you miss it but but like she just goes like oh it seems I put on my long legs And then it just goes into the opening credits.
Like, it was the most unnerving opening scene that I have seen in a long time.And it all has to do, well, not all has to do, but a good amount of it has to do with Nick Cage.His voice is just so, like, it's not human.
His voice and his look is not human.And that's what makes him terrifying.
Yeah, exactly.Because the things that this guy does isn't exactly human.And that's what makes him such a terrifying horror movie villain.His face features don't Like his face features, like don't exactly make him look human.
Like the makeup doesn't make him look human.Like his practices, like him, like... It's kind of like a fucked up Geppetto.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Like he's big.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Exactly.He's a fucked up version of Geppetto.Exactly.
He's like if Geppetto just like, I don't know, became a crazy cat lady.
Oh.OK.OK, yes, but remember.OK, yes, but remember, Geppetto has a cat and her name is Figaro.Hmm.
I'm sorry.Yeah, yeah, yeah.I'm not caught up on my Pinocchio lore.Sorry.OK.
Oh, I'm sorry that I haven't watched a lot of Disney's Pinocchio.
It's like 10,000 Pinocchio movies.Leave me alone.What am I supposed to watch?The one directed by the guy who did Life is Beautiful, who for some reason stars as Pinocchio?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.The real Pinocchio movies. It's the Guillermo del Toro one, like the one made by a real director.Anyway.Let's move on, let's move on.
Yeah, so, I would say this guy is like... would you say that he's more terrifying than Hannibal Lecter?
I mean, that's a pretty big excuse to fill.I'm gonna say no.Okay.Mainly because, like...
Hannibal Lecter like actually looks human like when you first see Hannibal Lecter like the first thought in your mind the first thought in your mind is like holy shit like this looks like any old normal guy what the fuck did that guy do that was so horrible to give him the name the most dangerous prisoner of them all I don't know um I would say that
It's kind of a... It's kind of like an apples to oranges comparison.
My opinion.He's more like a demonic Hannibal Lecter.Mm-hmm.But I don't think... I don't think they really should be in the same conversation.
Mm-hmm.Okay, different question.Who's more scarier?Longlegs or Buffalo Bill?
Mmm.That, that is like apples to apples right there.Oh yeah.That is a good comparison.Cause they're basically the same character.If Silence of the Lambs was made today, I bet you they would get Nick Cage to play Buffalo Bill.Um, who is scarier?Ooh.
I think we've, I think we see Buffalo Bill do more fucked up shit. Then long legs in Silence of the Lambs.So I'll probably stay Buffalo Bill for now.
Okay, alright.Yeah, and like, and also like the most scarier, and another thing that makes like long legs like really scary is that, is that yes you don't see the murders happen, it's what adults, it's,
It's the aftermath of the murders that happened, how the FBI hasn't exactly noticed the long legs killings until his den was discovered. until they find the doll, until they find out why and how these senseless murders are committed.
And recently, I've seen a lot of comparisons between Longlegs and Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Cure, if you've ever seen it.
Oh man, Cure is... It is one of the best, it is one of the best police procedural thrillers, like, ever.Like, it's like if, and it's also like definitely like Seven, where like,
Well, I mean, not like Seven, like it's not really like a buddy duo, like serial killer type movie, but it is, but it, but it is like a Fincher-esque, like psychological thriller involving a detective, like trying to, trying to, being given, being given the question, like,
Like, being a question of, do you or do you not have a motive to kill someone?And do you just kill people on random just because you feel like it?That type of thing.
Yeah, that makes sense.I would say, His mannerisms kind of match, well, not match, but they resemble Kevin Spacey in Seven.
What's the time right now?
No, no, no.No, no, no.Like I'll say a quote from Seven.Like, oh, he says, what's the time?I'd like to know.
I've been thinking.I thought I've been thinking about you, you and your pretty wife.
I haven't seen Seven in so long, man.It has been so long since I've seen Seven.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.I revisited it before I watched The Killer.
I forgot all about The Killer.Oh my god, I am awful.
Good movie.Really good movie.Anyways, so let's get into these fucking cursed dolls, man.These creepy dolls that are probably much scarier than Annabelle, huh?
I agree and I think this is where the movie starts to get like really fucking weird but like really fucking weird in a good way yeah like this is where like the movie just threw me for a loop where I was just like okay fuck it I'm I'm like I'm on board with whatever Osgood is gonna like shove it into my mouth for the next
40 minutes or so.Like, what do you got?And, oh, you got, like, possessed demonic dolls that fuckin', um, Nick Cage, Lon Legs is, uh, controlling and making possessed?Like, okay.Yeah, I believe it.I actually believe it.It's fucked up.
Like, those dolls are, like, the fuckin' stuff of nightmares.
Oh, yeah, yeah.Yeah, man.And what does make them creepy is that the hairs on those dolls are from the people that he killed.Right.
And of course, those clothes are made from pieces of the clothing that are from the victims, or unless he handmade them, I would say.I don't think it was ever specified on how those clothes were made, but...
I love how he's basically, like, he has, like, actual connections to Satan.And that's why he's, like, able to make those dolls, like, fucking get possessed, and, like, able to possess others.
Yeah, yeah.Yeah, he was basically, like, able to, like, pray to Satan to have, to have, to have these dolls be cursed and shit.And, yeah. And yeah, and that's what makes the whole final scene so tense.
Because once Lee saves the girl, saves... By the way, Blair Underwood's character has a family. And hold on, hold on.I'm looking up his name.I'm looking up his name.Adrian Carter.Yeah, so Carter's, so.
So yeah, like when we get to the last thing, like Lee like has to warn like Carter and his family, right?And the doll's already there.And like the doll like already like, already possessed the wife.And the daughter is like already like,
is already with the doll, right?The daughter already really likes the doll.And shit is about to get crazy when Lee had to shoot and kill her boss, and it ends with Lee
And it ends with Lee comforting the girl, and you think to yourself, how are they going to make it out of this alive?How many of those are there?Like, will this ever stop?You know?Will they ever be okay?
There's so many unanswered questions, and that's what makes it scary.
Like, it legit just ends with Nicolas Cage basically
winning like he basically wins by the end yeah even yeah and even in death long legs basically wins and um this is just because those dolls are still out still like cursed yeah yeah yeah like how how it happens it's like is so
And, like, how Longlegs basically, like, you know, kills himself is... is genuinely fucking scary.Like, uh, not... Because, like, his nose falls off and you see his, like, nostril, like, it is the most gnarly shit.
ALICE When I saw that, I half-expected him to belt out the Charlie scream in Smiling Friends when he got his nose cut off.
please please please i really i really want you to make me i really want to make you i really want to make you smile can you please can you please smile what the fuck your nose was bothering me It was something like that.
It was so- It was a lot like, your nose is watering me.
Yeah, and I think- I think that about, oh, I also want to shout out Alicia Witt, who plays Lee's mom.She is a great actress.Where has she been, like, all this time?She has literally been in four things.
In David Lynch's Dune, as the baby, as, what's her fucking name?I always forget her name. Oh my God.
This is my first time ever seeing Alicia Witt in anything.
Oh.Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too.Well, well, yeah, Aaliyah, like Alicia Witt. like played Alicia Atreides and David Lynch's too.She's basically the talking baby who wears a Bene Gesserit-like clothing, you know?
If you guys know what I'm talking about, that's who Alicia is.And like I told you, she's in TweetPics and she She's in Twin Peaks, and she reprised her role in Twin Peaks The Return.
I think after Long Legs, she's gonna be booked and busy, I'm pretty sure.
Oh yeah, I'm certain.I think she's just busy with her music career.She has a music career.
Yeah, apparently.I googled her and it said she's a singer-songwriter.
Oh, okay.And she does a lot of, like, Hallmark Christmas movies.Okay.She does get work, alright.
Oh.Um.Yeah, I loved her so much in this movie.You could argue that she's just as terrifying as Nic Cage in the movie.
Like, given, like, even, like, the smallest detail, like, how straight her hair is to a point where it just barely covers her face.
Yeah, and she gives off the impression of a woman from the 1600s who's about to, like, burn a bunch of little girls alive, like, during... Oh, yeah.Absolutely.That's a good way to describe it.
I don't know, and I love that detail, like, how Lee just... It's not that she doesn't want to see her mother, it's that, like, when we first, like, hear her mother on the phone, and she's, like, talking to her mother, it's like, she knows what's up with her mother, but we don't.
We, the audience, do not. And I just really fucking love how Oscar Perkins just creates suspense in this movie.Like, he keeps everything from us.Everything.Like, it's almost to a point of, like, being cryptic about it.Mhm.
And that is until she is revealed to be... Longlegs Accomplice.
I'm just like, what do you mean Lee's mom, like, is an accomplice?Like, is he lying?No, no, he's not.I mean, right now, right when you see her, it wasn't like she's actually a psycho.OK, cool.
Right.When you see her, you can basically you can basically kind of put two and two together.That's easily connected to long legs. But still, like, such a great detail to put into that movie.
And, like, such a, like, emotionally draining performance from Alicia Witt.It's so just... I don't even know how to describe it, really.Like, this entire movie just It completely oozes its foggy atmosphere.
And I say foggy because if you notice the sun like never shines in that movie.It's always just such like a cloudy day or like the darkest of night.And I love that detail too.
Like when she goes, when, um, what I keep on thinking her name is Jay, but we're not talking about it follows.We're talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, when Lee goes to her log cabin or her log house in the woods, in the middle of the night, just kind of calling it a day.
And then, like, you get a sense that Longlegs is there, and you get this shot from, like, inside the house, like, looking out the window, and you see this really fucking disturbing silhouette figure.
And, like, if that were me, I'd be, like, shitting my fucking pants.I think Lee would- I think Lee kind of had balls of steel.
I also really love the architecture of Lee's house, just for it to be made from logs.I remember when I was a kid, I had one of those log pieces and I would always build myself a log cabin.It's kind of like a log cabin brilliantly brought to film.
It's so cool. And this is an Oregon movie.It makes Oregon such a... It makes Oregon towns so dreary and depressing.I like that.
It makes Oregon just look empty. It feels like everywhere I look it's just non-stop emptiness.When her partner gets shot in the head, at the beginning all the houses just look the same.And everything just looks so foggy and depressing.
What's your favorite kind of weather, AJ?This is my favorite kind of weather.Bam. I'm sorry, I hate the sun.Anyway, um, so I feel like, um, I don't know.
I really do love like how Osgood Perkins even just like went out of his way to even pay attention to the weather of his movie and he knew just exactly how to create that atmosphere.
And that's why I want to watch more of his movies, because I can already tell that from just one movie that I've seen from him, that he's one of the most atmospheric directors out there.
And for some reason, and I guess this is a good time to get to the long legs discourse, I've seen going around Twitter and TikTok. Low, pretty low audience score in Rotten Tomatoes.Hold on.Let me, let me look it up.
Yeah.Yeah.Audience score is 65%.Is it?
Yeah.Oh, okay.I thought, I thought it was like, um, 69.Hold on.
Uh, I guess the score went down since.
And it might just be hype.Yeah.Damn it.And like IMDB is, um, Hold up, 7.4, so not bad.But, I trust IMDB more than Rotten Tomatoes, but, uh, what'd you get?There you are.
Who cares about Rotten Tomatoes?I barely check, like, the letterboxd scores now, bitch.
Exactly, exactly.Um, but what I was gonna say is that people are just saying this movie is boring.This movie is so boring.It's boring and it's goofy.And I'm like, I don't know.I don't like I wasn't bored for a single second of this movie.
And I'm a guy that gets bored easily.That gets bored easily during movies. But I was just eating up every single detail that Oz had to offer.This is an amazingly directed movie.An amazingly directed horror movie at that.
It just makes me think that a lot of audiences just want to be spoon-fed everything.
I know, like, that's just like, that's just like... They want another nun.It's like the desensitization of, like, of audience's, like, expectations, you know?
Like, they have, like, they become so consumed by, uh, by blockbusters and superhero movies that, like, they just want everything explained to them.
like uh no it's like and i've talked about this like all the time like on this podcast you know like we need to like we need to like open up to like these type of to these type of movies you know like it's like it's okay to watch different movies like it's okay to like broaden your horizons and just like and just experience
And it's like, watch a bunch of different movies to change our tastes in movies, you know?Like, I've done that, you've done that, and yeah.
People don't want perspectives that they don't understand.Exactly.They don't want any perspectives that they don't already know.Like, they know Annabelle.They'll eat shit like Annabelle up.
But when it comes to, like, red herring- Who cares about Annabelle anyway?
What? Who fucking cares about Annabelle anyway?Like.
Exactly.Or like the fucking Nun movies or like any movie in like the conjuring universe quote on quote.
It's just like- I haven't- I haven't given- I haven't like given a shit about Contra bullshit since- since Contra 2.Like I just, you know, like- And those are like- It was alright, but I- but afterwards I just didn't really care.
Like, I don't know.Those are atmospheric movies on their own, and I guess the first one is a pretty effective horror movie, but like- Where is- I don't- I don't know.There's only so much I can take of just like constant jump scares.
Like, I can always see them coming and, like, how can they want to just, like, have the volume cranked up to 11 and just... I don't know.
Like, and... I feel like this movie, like, even though it's doing well now, it's gonna, like, drop significantly in its second week.
Yeah, and Neon is kicking A24 to the freaking dirt, man.I feel like Neon is going to be the next top dog after A24, because they've already hit the flowers with everything all at once, but now Neon has put out
has put out so, so many great movies with movies like Long Legs.And of course, like, I thought that first trailer for Nora that played before Long Legs just makes me think that Neon is gonna take over, man.I'm so excited for Nora, dude.
I am too, Lee.Even though he's a looped TikTok follower, I got faith in Sean Baker.
Listen, listen.Listen, I still love Sean Baker's movies, but But I can't believe, I can't believe that this guy is a fucking liberal.I don't, I don't understand.Like you make these movies.
What?What do you mean conservative?
Yeah, conservative, whatever.Like, like, like liberal, conservative, centrist.
He follows libs of TikTok, I think.I think that's what he does.
Yeah.OK.Yeah.Like libs of TikTok.Yeah.How can this guy, like, Yeah, I'm just wondering how this guy can have these controversial political views, and he makes movies that are... He makes movies that are an ode to poor people.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
To trans people.He makes these movies that pay respect to poor people, to the trans community, and you have these views?Come on!
That's like hypocrite right there.
Please do not let Sean Baker be the J.K.Rowling of the film community.I am on my hands and knees.Do not become the J.K.Rowling of the film community.I'm hype, I'm hype.Mikey Madison, she's looking pretty good.Yes.Looking pretty good in that movie.
Yeah, I already love her accent.
I was gonna say, I feel like her accent was going off and on.
Oh, I love it.I love her accent.I love her accent.
Anyway, so... Back to the legs that are long.
Okay, the legs that are long.Yoo-hoo, boys!Yoo-hoo!Yeah, we were talking about the discourse.Uh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.And I was talking to a friend about like how she was really a fan about the Curse Dolls.
And I think like, and I want to say that Curse Dolls like do add a purpose to to what Long Legs is.Like it's like it's supposed to like play a purpose that like what you bring it to be careful of what you bring in to your home and that like
That no matter where you go, evil lurks around, you know, every corner, and... ALICE Yeah, exactly.
But like, I will admit, when it's revealed that they are bringing possessed dolls into the picture, I did kinda roll my eyes a bit and go like, oh, damn, we're doing this gimmick again? But, like, no, they did something totally new with it.
They did something completely new and unsettling with it.Like, way more terrifying than fucking the Annabelle movies could ever do.
I, uh, I have a friend who is tired of the, uh, cursed doll gimmick, so I don't know if she, so I don't know if she might like this movie, I don't know, but...
There's only one way to find out.
Try to convince her to watch Long Legs, that's the only way to do it.
Watch Long Legs, form your own opinion.But then, not only is this movie divisive right now, which is fine, I kind of expected it to be divisive, but there was that tweet that goes like, yeah, can we just agree that Nicolas Cage is a terrible actor?
Oh my god.You have to be the stupidest fucking person alive to say that.Like, this is like... How can you watch Long Legs and just think it's a terrible act?
This just sounds like somebody who has seen one Nic Cage movie that he wasn't impressed with and he says, oh yeah, that guy's a terrible actor. Watch... watch more movies with him, then!There are other movies where he's great in it!
Just because he does B-movies doesn't mean he's a terrible actor.He just does what he wants to do.
Exactly!Have you not watched, um... Have you not watched Face Off?Snake Eyes, Long Legs, uh... uh... Bringin' Out the Dead?
I'm just like, did you only see Between Worlds?Have you seen Between Worlds?Have you heard of it?
Is that one of those faith-based movies he was in?
no so basically i don't even know how to describe the plot but it's like the most so bad it's good nick cage movie like the opening shot of that movie it's just like nicholas cage walking into a general store and then and then the camera goes behind like the clerk and you see his and you see the clerk's ass crack and the camera's like really close off on his ass crack just panning up
Nick literally looks like he's in a metal band.
Oh no, exactly.He looks like the greasiest guy you've ever met.He looks like he sweats just constantly.And there's this really amazing moment.It's like my favorite Nick Cage moment.Where he meets the woman.He saves this woman from being strangled.
He's talking with her, and the woman's like, oh, you got a family?And Nick is just like, oh, yeah.And then it just pulls up a picture of him, his wife, his daughter.And he's like, yeah, my wife and daughter you like.
And the woman's just like, oh, they're beautiful.And then Nick just cuts her off and just goes like, oops, they're dead.What?
This movie has one of the lowest letterboxd ratings.This has a 1.8.
Whenever he's having sex with a woman, he like screams like he's being murdered.
Ah, okay, okay.We need to do a Discord watch party of that movie.Oh, yeah, yeah.
With us, again.I'll bring it up in the Discord.
Anyways, uh, so... Nick Cage, amazing actor.
So, which Nick Cage movie do... So, I'm gonna do a bit of a game.So, I'm gonna do a This or That.This or That movie with Nicolas Cage, okay?
I'm going to go by pure enjoyment, I'm not going to be objective.
Yeah, based on pure enjoyment and whether or not you like this movie.Okay, Long Legs or Ghost Rider?Long Legs.Easily.Long Legs or Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent?Long Legs.That movie sucks.Long Legs or Dream Scenario?Long Legs.
long legs or national treasure i haven't seen national treasure i'm sorry sorry i've already been yelled at for it like i'm national treasure the movie where he steals the declaration of it where he steals the declaration of independence i'll get on it i'm sorry oh man leave me alone he doubts a glass of wine in the
He doubts a full glass of wine at a party, it's great.Longlegs or Conair?
I haven't seen Conair in a long time.
Put the bunny back in the box, Conair.Put the bunny back in the basket.Yeah, Longlegs. Great, I love Con Air.Kicks ass.Long legs or face off?
Ooh.Now you're getting to my territory.Yeah.I think face off is a much easier watch.So, yeah, fuck it.Face off.
All right! My favorite part is Nicholas Cage's introduction.Like, in that movie.Like, all church choir sing the hallelujah chorus, and he's in a priest outfit.
He's just like... Hallelujah!Hallelujah!
I love that so much.All right.
Long length or gone in 60 seconds?
I haven't seen gone in 60 seconds, so long length.
Me neither. Longlegs or Lord of War?
I haven't seen Lord of War, so Longlegs.
Longlegs or Willy's Wonderland?That's the easiest fucking question.I don't like Willy's Wonderland.
I got drunk with some friends and watched that movie, and that was a good time, but then I tried to watch it sober, and it was like... Yeah, it's the most boring... Yeah, like they forgot to add the fun part with Willy's Wonderland, like how they forgot to add the fun part with Five Nights at Freddy's.
Renfield sucked.Longlegs.
Glad I didn't watch it.Longlegs or The Rock? Ooh.
The Rock does have the winner's Fuck the Prom Queen line, but I'm going to go with Long Legs.
Okay.Long Legs or Leaving Las Vegas.
The role he won his Oscar for.They're both haunting movies in their own right.I'll go with Leaving Las Vegas.
All right.Long Legs or the 2009 film Knowing.
I haven't seen it.I haven't seen knowing long legs.
Okay.Uh, long legs or moonstruck?Moonstruck.Oh, that's like one of my favorites.I LOST MY HAND!I LOST MY BRIDE!DANNY HAS HIS HAND!DANNY HAS HIS BRIDE!
Oh god, I love moonstruck.Yeah.
That's tough.I do love pig. Like that's one of the few roles where Nick Cage plays like against type.
Yeah.You expect Pig to be this like John Wick action thriller, but it's not.It's really like a meditative like movie about a guy who's like who's dealing with the loss of his pig and like why he like left the restaurant industry and all that.
Like it's it's great.Pig.Go Pig.Pig.Yeah.Pig is great.Long legs. Longlegs or The Family Man?I haven't seen The Family Man, so Longlegs.Oh, okay.Last question.Actually, no.Two more questions.Okay.Longlegs or Racing Arizona?
Ooh.As much as I love the Coens, I'll go for the Longlegs.
Okay, Longlegs or The Croods.The Croods?Yeah.He's in that?Yeah, man, he's the dad.He's Grug.
Longlegs.I feel like The Croods would be what Timmy Lee calls a barnyard level film.
Well, I think Timmy would hate it because it's a movie that's made for eight-year-olds.Yeah, basically.Between six to eight-year-olds.Longlegs or The Sorcerer's Apprentice?Longlegs.
I haven't seen The Sorcerer's Apprentice since I was in middle school.And even then, I thought it sucked.
Long legs.Long legs or Mandy?
Oh, Mandy.You came and you came without thinking.
By the way, the people who don't like Mandy, you're boring.Give it another watch.And if you do, watch it in the dark, okay?
That might be one of my favorite movies, just stylistically.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that scene where he's all bloodied and he's wearing his underpants and he's screaming sitting on the toilet.
I love that.I love that shit.My favorite is, you ripped my shirt!
And then he just kills the guy, he flips him, he breaks the glass coffee table, and then he just picks up a piece of shattered glass that still has cocaine on it, and just does the rest of the cocaine.
Fuck, man.Yeah.It's great. Now, as far as Micah Monroe, I'm gonna list you some movies.I'm gonna say some movies that she's been in, and you're gonna tell me whether or not you've seen them, okay?
Okay, you've seen It Follows, right?Yeah.Yeah, we've seen It Follows. Yeah, yeah, like first movie I ever watched Micah in and that's when I knew that she was going to be a star.Watcher, 2022's Watcher.
I have, very underrated, great movie.
Yeah, so, so underrated.She was great in it.The Guest.
Oh yeah, I love The Guest.I just like what Timmy Lee says.
Yeah, yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah, Tim. I don't, I don't, I don't, I will never, I will never understand why he didn't like the guest.Like, I don't, I don't understand anyway.Uh, and, um, the movie after everything with, uh, Jeremy Allen White.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.It's a, it's a rom-com that like came out in, in, I want to say 2018 at South by Southwest.
I'll add it to my watch list.It sounds like it's so good.
Like, yeah, yeah, basically like. Basically, Jeremy Elliot White's character is battling testicle cancer.And Micah plays his love interest.
And it's a really beautiful story on... It's a really beautiful love story on how they fell in love at first and how that kind of falls... And how it just kind of doesn't really work out for both of them.It's great.
So I googled After Everything, and it's giving me the result of the entry in that shitty After trilogy.
Oh my god!It's not, it's not, guys.And if you ask me, it might be better than The Fault in Our Stars.
Everything's better than The Fault in Our Stars.Fuck that movie.
Don't even get me started.
Yeah, yeah, no, let's not open that can of worms.So, with long legs out of the way, let's get into Maxine fucking Minx.Maxine fucking Minx.
Okay, so basically to those wondering, um, originally this podcast was just going to be like our retrospect.On the trilogy, the trilogy and Santee asked me to be a part of this because he knows that I'm a fan.
Yeah, yeah, I know how much of a Ty West fan you are.I know how much of a Pearl fan you are, so.
Pearl was my favorite movie of 2022.I know I said Montana Story in my 2022 YouTube video.Times have changed.I look at that video now and I cringe.No idea what I was thinking, putting Banshees of Initiar in at only number 10.
It'd be at like number two, but anyway, I digress. Yeah, Pearl is my favorite movie of 2022 and for a while was my favorite horror of the decade before Long Legs.
I think that Pearl is the closest we will get to a modern day Wizard of Oz, quote unquote.And what I mean by that, not in like a family friendly way and just like an aesthetic sort of way.
Yeah, like how the music plays out in the location of the movie like screams Wizard of Oz and the movie is basically a horny wizard horny fucked up Wizard of Oz Also co-starring Superman yeah Stellar performance from Mia Goth that was the
Actually, no, it was X that made me a meagoth.No, actually, it was 2020's Emma that made me a meagoth.
Oh, I still need to watch Emma.
I find it to be underrated.It's a good one.Anyway, yeah, I love Pearl.I love it to death.It's still my favorite movie of 2022. My favorite, well, one of my favorite horror movies of the decade.And now on to X. Gnarly as fuck.
Uh, Ty West held nothing back in terms of X. It is... It is violent.It is full of nudity.It is, like, completely just off the rails.Aesthetically, it feels like a 70s horror movie.It feels like...
It feels like another Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but like a more like I wouldn't say more tame, but like.Another Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but like not as scary as the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.Yeah.
But it was a great setup to a trilogy that we didn't even know that we were getting.Doggy.Yeah, anyway. And X was, um, X was supposed to be, um, the start to Maxine.Max, this is a scene.Um, as I like to call it.
Yeah, because there are three Xs.
Yeah.But I don't know, like moving on to Maxine, I think The reason why I don't really like it all that much, and I was so, so disappointed with it, was that it really feels like Ty West just held himself back.
Like, I thought, walking in, I thought it was gonna be a hard R. Like, we were gonna see, like, blood and nudity, but, like, most of that was, like, in the first half hour.
And right after that, a lot of it is just exposition and just another eighties homage and a few kills here and there.My favorite being, um, Kevin Bacon in, in the, uh, car crusher.Oh yeah.
And, and that's mainly because I found this character to be really annoying, but, um, Oh yeah.
That's the thing that I want to bring up in this discussion.And it is a hot take.I didn't really find Kevin Bacon that appealing to me in this movie.Me neither.I'm fully on board with you on that.
And sure, I can see why you guys think that he had a great I can see why you guys think so, because yes, he does kind of emulate an anti-JJ Gittes type character with the whole bloody nose and him being a PI in LA and whatnot.
You know, so the overly exaggerated Southern accent.
Oh, yeah.Yeah.Like I think like I think it's.Yeah, I do think his Southern accent like did sound a bit weird.
To me, it just sounded not genuine, like there's no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
character arc, but they didn't really do anything... but they don't really do anything with this character, you know?He's not that interesting.No, it's not.He's really not that... He's not that much of an interesting character.
Like in X, like Mia Goff stole that whole movie in X and like in Maxine, not Maxine, sorry, in X, like you could get a sense that like she's doing what she's doing because she wants to get her foot in the door.
And, and the fact that like she's willing to like, you know, stand up and kill if she needs to. But like, in Maxine, it feels like a lot of just build up for nothing.
And, well actually not for nothing, because like at the end you find out that like the fucking Night Stalker is her dad, and it's like the most, the least satisfying- Well actually like the Night Stalker like isn't her dad, like the Night-
Like, if you remember, the Night Stalker, like, was caught during the events of the third, like, of the third act, and, like, the combat was, like,
Nevermind.I didn't mean to say that.
Also, that whole twist with her dad killing the people that's close to her, I saw that coming a mile away, like when the movie started with young Maxine doing that same Pearl dance.They were clearly setting that up.
Oh yeah, exactly.And it's kind of like,
It's a good way to start it, but it's also like just a very strange way to start it because like the thing is like we start off with Maxine at this audition, but like we start off with Maxine at this audition and like.
Fucking, she thinks she nailed it.She's walking out going like, I hope you guys, I hope you guys, sorry, you guys might as well go home right now because I just fucking nailed that.We never really see that level of cockiness again from her.
Minus like a few scenes, like when she's talking to her friend who works at a video store going like, Maxine fucking Minx, like who are the, who are the four most iconic actresses who got their start in horror.And then she just mentions her name.
Like, that's an okay moment of cockiness.I'd call it more self-confidence, but whatever.And then you just have that weird moment where I guess they gotta show that she does indeed kill or like can be fucked up if she needs to be when she's like,
being stalked by this guy dressed up like Buster Keaton in an alleyway and then she just like pulls a gun on him and goes like drop it Buster like makes him strip and then like crushes his testicles and it's just like yeah that was like a cool gnarly like
violent attack from her, but what was the purpose?
I actually found it to be the most, like, unnecessary, like... Yeah, what was the purpose?Unnecessarily, like, gross scene ever, because, like, what was the point of a guy's balls being crushed?Like, I don't get that.
I don't wanna see it, like, that close. Also, how fucking sharp are her high heels?
You didn't need to be stripped nude, and you didn't have the balls to be crushed in 4K right in front of us.How fucking sharp are those high heels?Exactly, like, how sharp are they?They're sharp enough...
Like I'm telling you, those stilettos were basically as sharp as John Wick's pencil.
She killed him with her... With her high heel.
High heel?A fucking high heel.
She pierced... She pierced this guy's balls with her high heels, her fucking high heels.
I just wanna see like a John Wick type scenario where she just like faces off a bunch of henchmen just by like holding up her high heel just like... Yeah.
And it was like after that scene like that's when I think Ty West just like started to hold himself back and just like start explain everything and then just became like. Sorry, and then just became too obsessed with, sorry, indigestion.
Then just became too obsessed with the 80s homages or like homages to like horror movies that actually exist.Like we don't need Elizabeth Debicki to like drive up to the Bates Motel and just go like, you know what this is?
No, it's the Bates Motel from the movie Psycho.
Yeah, like most people, most people who are watching Maxine, unless you're a fucking like teenager who just walked into Maxine because, oh, hey, horror movie, I can watch a horror movie and not do anything for an hour and a half.
Most people are going to know what psycho is doing.
And then like.That's another long legs of Maxine comparison, the psycho house.
Right, exactly. Um, I forgot about the psycho house in Longfax, now that you mention it.
ALICE Yeah, because it wasn't used as a plot device whatsoever, she, like, Maxine just, like, walks into the house, like, behind the door, and just waits to come outside.Like, I don't like that.
SEAN I will say, however, I will say I do like the, uh... I do like the face mask scene where she has that, um, that, um, Oh yeah.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.As she has all this, like, um, and she has all this like goop, like on her face as she's like real, which is like something that actors actually like flashes of, of the Texas house.Like, yeah.
Like, I think that's why, like, Ty West decided to hold back so much, because he wanted to humanize Maxine a little bit by giving her, like, PTSD about what happened in X, which I can get, but then why, again, why would you have a scene where, like, she crushes some dude's balls?
Why would you have a scene... We're like fucking, you know, she smashes Kevin Bacon to like a fucking pulp to the tune of St.Elmo's fire.We're like crushing his car.Like why would you even have scenes of violence like in that, you know?
It's like I don't know. I feel like Ty West just didn't do a whole lot of planning with this.He thought more of the 80s homages than he did of developing Maxine even further.Oh, the Night Stalker, that's a pretty famous name from the 80s.
80s newsreels.Psycho, even though Psycho's from the 60s, not the 80s.
Good point, good point.We're going to mention Jamie Lee Curtis in Halloween.It's like, dude, you have your own fucking movie.Use your own fucking movie.There were no references in Pearl.There were no references in X because we didn't need it.
We didn't need, we don't, There's no scene in X where Kid Cudi just looks into the camera and goes like, this is like Texas Chainsaw Massacre.Like, because that's stupid.Like, those movies are good because they stand on their own.
And this movie just felt like it needed to, this movie just felt like it needed to rely on all these like Hollywood type movies because like, it does take place in Hollywood.
But if you're going to do that, then you don't need to treat your audience like they're idiots.
And I'm acting like I hate that.
That's the thing, though.Like, Ty just, like, he focused too much on 80s and Hollywood aesthetics instead of, like, you know, like, crafting a worthy, you know, horror story that's, like, worthy.
That's worthy for Maxine Minx because, like, and also, like, Maxine just, she feels like a non-character in this movie. She just kind of sleepwalks through this movie.
It's easily my least favorite Mia Goth performance.
And you know, she does these things in order for the plot to move forward.And it makes no sense as to why she would even... And it makes no sense...
as to why she's reluctant to even go to the police, because she's been traumatized by the Texas House.Surely she would give them information, but no, she's like, oh, I have to Just like, oh, I have to rely on myself.Like, girl, no you don't.
You, you, you... You can get help.You can absolutely get help.Like, five years ago.Like, you need all the support you can get.But, yeah.
You probably were praying for help during X. You probably were praying for the police to show up in X. It also doesn't really explain what Maxine's been doing between 1979 and 1985, which was... Oh yeah, that's a pretty big...
Give us a montage of what she's been doing, you know?
She just does the audition, and the audition scene is a pretty good scene.It showcases how good of an actress Mia Goth actually is, but she never reaches to that level ever again.
I will say, however, I would say my favorite supporting performance in Maxine is probably Lily Collins.That's a hot take because she's only in the movie for like five minutes, but I don't know.I loved her scene.Yeah, yeah.
Shanti's making the face that Lily Collins makes, right?In that scene.When she does it, it's actually kind of unnerving.It is actually pretty... Uneasy.I don't know.I liked it.I like Lily Collins.I also like Giancarlo and Giancarlo Esposito.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.The one movie where he's not a bad guy for once.It's great.
It's funny.He's finally not playing Gus.
Just give him more funny roles.Like we haven't... Like, I'm telling you, we haven't really seen a funny role from this guy since the 80s, like, I'm telling you.LIAM Do the right thing.ZACH Uh-huh.Yeah, exactly.Since, do the right thing.
Like, he should be- he should work with Spike Lee more.Like, put him- put him in the- like, literally put him in the high and low remake that he's doing.Like, he would- just make him be- LIAM Yeah.
ZACH Just make him- just make the bot- Just make the guy be comedic relief or something, like, come on.
Exactly.Mm hmm.I don't know what else to say about Maxine.
Okay.I will say, I will say. I will say about Maxine is that I don't... It makes it... This is a horror movie that is barely scary.I put horror movie in quotes because this is just a movie with...
with horror elements and zero suspense and really uninteresting murders that happen.The murders that happen to these people are mostly off-screen, but the one murder involving her
involving her friend who works at the video store, like, makes it painfully obvious, like, oh, hey, this guy's about to be murdered.Look.Look, he's- He's gonna be murdered.Look, look, look, look, look, look.Isn't this horrifying?
This guy is being cut up.Look.Like, yeah, I don't care.Look, this guy's eye is being- I've done that.This guy's eye is being gouged out.Look, like, okay, I get it.
Like, you did nothing to develop that character.Why should I give a shit?Why should I give a shit?Exactly.Like, what was even his name?
I forgot the dude's name.I don't know what to tell you.I think the third act is so... It's also pretty ugly to look at.I didn't know if it was like... if it looked like a shot from the 80s, or if it was like... Oh no, they shot with an 80s camera.
Or if it was like a movie from 2024, like it was all scattered brain and whatnot.
They shot with 80s cameras, like cameras from the 80s.
I don't know, it looked like, despite it being shot with 80s cameras, it felt the least retroactive out of all its movies. Like House of the Devil, like that's a non-80s 80s movie.Have you seen House of the Devil?Have you seen that movie?
I have seen House of the Devil.I really like the part where Greta Gerwig's head gets blown off.
Oh yeah.Oh yeah. If I ever have a daughter, just wait for her to become a teenager, show her movies like Lady Bird and Little Women, and then I'll be like, oh, let's watch House of the Devil.
And then right before the scene where Greta Gerwig's head gets blown off, I'm like, that's the girl that made Little Women.Yeah.Yeah.
She's traumatized the kid for life.She's in Francis Hobb where she's really good in it.And I want to say though, I have no idea what Maxine was about.What exactly was it?It has great ideas, but none of them even materialize.It didn't know
like it has a lot of like Christo fascist, like fascist ideology and satanic panic, like, you know, like being at odds with each other.
And then you have, and I don't think it like barely commutates on sex work, like in the industry and how, and of course, and of course, like the countless women that,
that were prostitutes who were murdered and the awareness that it gives to how dangerous it was to be a woman in the 70s, 80s, 80s, I don't know.
Um, I was going to say they missed an opportunity to like put like a horror element, like into like the porn industry or sex work industry to show how like, um, women, well, women, sex workers were treated at that time.Cause it was bad.
It was really, really, they were not treated as people.
No, no, they weren't.And, and yeah, again, it barely like
shedded any light on that and I don't and like this is not exactly like a horror movie but uh but uh there is a thriller movie that I recommend to watch it's from 1997 um it's called um it's called it's called uh fuck what was it called affliction uh no uh it's a it's a movie that Paul Schrader made uh
I have, like, the biggest love-hate relationship with Paul Schrader, so.
He has made a lot of great movies.Okay, Hardcore.This movie from 1979 called Hardcore that actually sheds a light on how women were treated in the porn industry.He does a great job on how bad it is.
I'll give it a watch.I'm at it.
Yeah.Yeah.Give parkour a watch.It's great.Anyways.Uh, uh, yeah, so I guess, I guess that's it on Maxine, but, uh, unless, and, uh, I do want to get in to the, uh,
the actors that are in Maxine, and we could do- There's a lot, and a lot of- Yeah, there are a lot of actors, but the one actor that I do want to shout out is Sophie Thatcher, who, she played the woman who did the makeup for Maxine.
She's best known, like, she plays like, she's one of the main characters from Yellow Jackets, if you've ever seen that show.
Oh, OK, like it's not it's not exactly an AJ Ford show.It's like it's basically like like these teenagers like get up, get stranded in the woods and they never ever take survive.It's like it's very like nerve wracking show.Yeah.And so.
So so like we're going to like we're going to get into a goth. Elizabeth Debicki, Lily Collins, Kevin Bacon, and Jean-Carlo Esposito, okay?Alright.
Alright, Mia Goth, uh, for best, obviously I have Pearl and X, and Infinity Pool, I really liked Infinity Pool, and yeah. That's it.
I keep getting reminded.I love infinity pool.I keep getting reminded of it because of that one clip that's going around Twitter.That's becoming a meme where it's just like me, a cop, like shooting a gun.She's like, I love that so much.
Oh yeah.Oh yeah.Yeah.Yeah.She's repeatedly shooting and screaming.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.
For worst, I don't really have that much, unless we can figure out a cure for wellness, which I've heard good things about that movie, I just have yet to watch it.
I haven't seen it either.I love me some Mia Goth.And I'm going to be honest, I'm kind of happy that she's innocent on that whole assault charge.
You know, like in that guy is basically a bigger douchebag than he is.
Yeah.Like he.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Like Mia was right to like. to act like this guy's headed, so.
Yeah.Yeah.Anyways.So, Elizabeth Debicki, for best, do not fucking fight on me.Do not fucking fight me on this, A.J., OK?I'm going to say Tennant.Tennant.
Great in Tennant. I have Widows, directed by Steve McQueen.No, not that Steve McQueen.Different Steve McQueen.Widows is basically like if Michael Mann directed Hustlers.And it's fucking great.
Oh yeah.Oh yeah, it's great, right?
I like it.Guardians 2.She plays the... What?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.She's Alicia.She reprised the role in Guardians 3, in which I thought she was great.And I think that's about it.For worst, I have The Great Gatsby and The Cloverfield Paradox.
I've seen the Peter Rabbit movies.Apparently she voice acts in that.
Oh, I haven't seen it.I don't like James Corden.
Alright.Who we got?Lily Collins.Love Lily.I haven't seen that much from her.What do you have?
Pulling up her IMDB.Been a lot of indies lately.Oh wait.She started off doing like indie YA shit.Like uh... Hold up.Hold up.She was in Mirror Mirror. Snow White, she was in Abduction, that Taylor Lautner movie.
She was in Mortal Instruments, City of Bones.Her career did not start good.
That's the one thing that I would have for worse is the Mortal Instruments movie.It was just like a really poor It's a really poor adaptation of a book series that I really, really like.
And the movie just crammed so much lore and characters into this movie that it barely told a good story.So it only cared about setting up a franchise, and that's what it was.
And then ABC and Freeform tried again with their TV show adaptation of Bordal Instruments, and that failed too.So this series hasn't had the best luck with adaptations.So yeah.
I like Love, Rosie.That's a good movie.
Oh, oh my god.I've been meaning to watch Love, Rosie.My sister loves that movie.
To the Bone? She's very good in that.That's all I've seen.
Oh, and Mank.I like Mank.
I mean, I didn't like it before, but now I think it's good.
Okay.Uh, and, and last thing she was in, um, extremely wicked, shockingly evil and vile.I, I, I don't like that movie.I don't like that.
I don't like that this movie is like, I don't like, I don't like that this movie popularized Ted Bundy and like, it made us sympathize with the psychopath.I, I, I don't like that.
Also, also, the cop in that movie is played by the late singer of Metallica, James Hetfield, which I think is the funniest thing.Are you serious?I'm serious, yes.
And he's like covered in tattoos, it's so funny.
Oh my god. Alright, next up, Kevin Bacon, baby!Kevin Bacon.
I'm sorry, I prefer sausages.
Kevin Sausage.Footloose.This is for best.For best, I have Footloose, Tremors, X-Men First Class, Mystic River.The first Friday the 13th, in which there is a memorable death scene where his throat gets pierced.
and and a few good oh and a few good men apollo 13 and the guardians of the galaxy holiday special oh yeah and diner and diner yeah which one uh diner uh uh barry levinson's diner and also baltimore yeah yeah snow dog snow dog no no like well he's not a snow dog he's like he's a wolf
And he made a movie with the wolf who had to like who had to like bring medicine to a girl that was sick.
He was in that Lonely Island movie, a little short film toward the pharmacy.And sure, that's his best at that.Oh, I'm so.
Oh, you got to send me that, man.
You would love.I liked him in that. I'm not the biggest Kevin Bacon fan.Oh, he was in Super.James Gunn's Super.Oh, that movie was lit.
Oh my god, Super.Wait, I'm sorry.I was talking over you.What did you say before Super?
Oh my god, yeah.David Lynn Hagen.
David Lynn Hagen.You stay away from my daughter.You stay away from my daughter.
How do I even know you? And he just walks in during the family scuffle.Oh man, I love the climax of that movie so much.Let us see what else we got.
I'm not I'm not the biggest Kevin Bacon fan But I will say his worst.It was an RIP D Patriots day.He apparently was in as a Bostonian fuck yourself He was in What's that movie he was in, like, during the pandemic?You should've left.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.It basically gave everything away from that movie, and I mean everything.
Trailer?I avoided the trailer.
Also, Amanda Seyfried, like, played his wife.Like, what, dude?Ugh, man.
Why is a 50-year-old man going after- He's old enough to be his daughter, man.Like- Exactly.
Oh my God, wait, how old is Kevin Bacon?This is important to me.
It's like he's probably and it's like he's okay.He was born in 58.
He was born in 1958.Well, I know Amanda Cypher has like 30 something.He's 66.
Yeah.Oh, yeah.Yeah.He he he just turned 66 like the other day.Yeah.
Amanda is 38.I don't know.I don't like that gap.
No, no, no.I mean, I don't I don't like that at all.
Alright, moving on to the next actor.
Okay.Uh, actually, no, like I didn't say my worst yet.Um, I, uh, I also had, you should have left.I have, um, I have, uh, that movie that I ranted to you and John about, uh, leave the world behind.
Yeah.Yeah.He was like, he, uh, he played the husband of Julia Roberts character.
This page is like, either a shit movie, mid-movie, or a mid-movie magnet.
I also have Patriots Day, I have RIPD, They Them... Oh, you said that!Yeah, and Cop Car.I don't really like Cop Car that much.
Imagine having They Them on your resume.
Yeah, I can't imagine. Alright, and yeah, on to the next actor.Giancarlo Esposito!Come on.Stay with me now.Breaking Bad.Come on.Breaking Bad.You have a complaint.Yeah, you and I can both agree that Gus Ring is Giancarlo's most iconic role.
Sir, if you have a complaint, I suggest you take it to our mailing website.I'd be happy.I forget the I forget the quote.I forget most of the quote.
It was something like, yeah, if you have a complaint, I suggest that I suggest that you I suggest that you comment on your website or whatever.And then and then the next thing is you are done.
You are done.Anyway, this guy has been in everything. Yeah, yeah.
I have, I have, for Best, I also have Do the Right Thing.
Which you should have won an Oscar for, but we move on.
Yeah, I have, he's in The Boys as Stan Edgar, CEO of Vought, well, former CEO of Vought, and I have... what else is in... oh, he has a voice role, it's Cyberpunk Edgerunners, one of the most criminally underrated anime of all time.
Malcolm X. Something to talk to Timmy Lee about.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.I'm sure he loves that shit.And Abel Ferreira's King of New York and the Jungle Book, like the Jungle Book remake, and Teen Titans and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem.I don't know why I said Teen Titans.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem as Dr. Baxter Stockman. And for worst, I have The Mandalorian as Moff Gideon.I thought people liked The Mandalorian.Okay, okay.
A lot of people really liked the first two seasons, until the movie spent too much time on fanservice, and then The Book of Boba Fett happened, and nobody liked season three.
Yeah, and at first I thought he was good at it, but then he just kept appearing over and over again, and it just got annoying.And other things for worse, I have Mace Runner, the Scorch Trials, and Mace Runner, the Death Cure, and...
And I, again, I hate to, I hate, and again, I hate to tell you this, Abigail, I did not, I did, I did not like him in Abigail, I'm sorry.Whatever.Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Whatever.Anyways.You can have your wrong opinion.
Anyways, yeah, and that's it, that's about it.Those are our actors.Born in Denmark, Copenhagen. It's a cool fact.I know.I know.Right.That's cool.Oh, and oh, and Giancarlo is going to be in the new Captain America movie.
Yeah.Fuck you.I'm not watching that.
Oh, I'm not.I am not.I also hear Anthony Mackie is an asshole in real life.So.
Oh, yeah, he is.Well, I mean, like that, that whole thing where somebody approached him as a gas station, like wasn't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there was a whole thing where somebody approached him at a gas station.He asked for a picture.He's like, no, no, no, I'm busy.He's like, no, no, no, I'm busy.I got to go.
To me, in my opinion, there's a time and place to ask actors for their autograph and all that.They would love to speak to the fans, but they really can't because they got to be somewhere.That is true.That's, to me, how
That's just what I think, like, why he acted that way, so.
That is true.I wasn't, like, referring to that video specifically.I've heard many other stories of Anthony Mackie just being rude.You don't know him.You don't know him.Anyway, you want to wrap it up?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Let's, uh, let's wrap it up here.So, oh, did you have anything worse?Did you have any worse roles for Giancarlo?
Let me go back to AssignDB.I don't know.I think it's good in pretty much everything.I'm gonna say no.
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