Welcome, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
I can't believe I'm getting to say this, we are less than two weeks away from election day and Senator Kamala Harris decided to close the deal with a word salad disaster of a town hall on CNN.It did not go well.
Well, her basement strategy has not been working.She tried hiding in Joe Biden's basement and just avoiding everything, and it turned out that the voters actually wanted to hear something from someone who wants to be president of the United States.
So then she had a radical strategy.OK, let's do some interviews.And I got to say, every interview she does seems to be worse than the last one. This CNN one is truly a train wreck.We're going to break it down in detail.
And I've got to say, this is also a special time because as we do this, this is coming out Friday morning, and today Kamala Harris will be in Texas.She has decided in the final two weeks of the campaign to come to Texas.Why?
because the Democrat Party has one message and one message only, abortion, and she wants to come and push unlimited abortion on demand in all circumstances with no limitations because that is about the only thing she's willing to talk about.
So we welcome Kamala to Texas at the same time that she is in Texas.I'm going to be in Austin.Donald Trump is going to be there doing the Joe Rogan podcast.By the way, Kamala was invited.She was supposedly going to do Joe Rogan,
and then miraculously had a scheduling conflict, she had to mow her lawn, I'm not sure what she had to do, but she's not in fact doing Joe Rogan.I have to say between the two I am not remotely conflicted who I'm going to be standing with today.
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Senator, before we get to the CNN town hall, there was a very purposeful moment that was created by the Harris campaign, and I think we need to deal with it, and I want to get your reaction.
You had Kamala Harris call what many would describe as an emergency press conference outside of her residence, the official residence where the vice president lives, and she had this press conference with the American flag behind her.
And she had some words about Donald Trump, which I'm really shocked by this, after not one, but two, and a possible third assassination attempt against Donald Trump.And this is what she said about Donald Trump.
It is clear from John Kelly's words that Donald Trump is someone who, I quote, certainly falls into the general definition of fascist.
who in fact vowed to be a dictator on day one and vowed to use the military as his personal militia to carry out his personal and political vendettas. Donald Trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable.
And in a second term, people like John Kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions.
Those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there and no longer be there to rein him in.
These words are shocking.She is saying Donald Trump is going to be Adolf Hitler.And I worry that she's trying to get the man killed by inspiring a crazy person who will hear these words and say, well, I must stop him.
I cannot believe we're even having this conversation, Senator.It makes me angry that this is the Democratic candidate who's, I believe, putting his life in more danger.
Well, I think Kamala Harris is feeling desperate.I think her campaign is feeling desperate.I think they see the election slipping away from them.I think they see the momentum is going with Trump every day.
I think everything they try to change the momentum is failing. And so, you know, it really is fairly remarkable when they say, okay, here's our great strategy.Let's call an emergency press conference to call Trump Hitler.That's their strategy.
Now, nevermind that they've been calling Donald Trump Hitler for a decade now.They called Donald Trump Hitler in 2016.They called him Hitler in 2020.I do find it amazing that just over a week away from election day,
their great October surprise is, I know, we're gonna call him Hitler.No one will see that coming.And you know, look, I really do have to wonder what undecided voter do they think they're swaying?
Like is there any person alive that doesn't know that Kamala and all of the crazed partisans have convinced themselves that Trump is Hitler?Like they've been saying that, and by the way, to be clear, before Trump they called George W. Bush Hitler.
In fact you would have signs Bush-Hitler you were in the Bush White House.That was their talking point and by the way if you go back Democrats also called Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon Hitler.
I mean this is they sort of have one you know when they're really worried they just say you're Hitler and by the way you know Hitler was one of if not the most evil human being to have ever lived in all time.He exterminated millions of people.
He carried out genocides.He set up concentration camps.Like that's a pretty high bar for someone to be Hitler.Like you know you could say okay Pol Pot.I mean that's someone that you could put in the same category as Hitler.Stalin.
Like people who have committed mass murder in the millions.It's a fairly small category of people
who you can with any shred of credibility put in the same category as Hitler but for today's Democrats and sadly even for some of yesterday's Democrats that category also includes every Republican presidential candidate who's ever run is comparable to murdering millions and I got to say this whole he's going to be a fascist he's going to be a dictator they run into two problems
Number one, Trump was president.So maybe they could say in 2016 he's going to do this because he hadn't been president.People didn't know for sure what he'd do.But he was president all of 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020.He was not a dictator.
He implemented policy through following the Constitution, through passing legislation through the House, the Senate, signing it into law.He got us out of wars.
The policy that he implemented, tax policy, regulatory policy, produced incredible prosperity.We had peace and prosperity across the globe.So this, like, oh my goodness, he'll suddenly become a dictator.They run into a problem of reality.
The second problem they run into is by any measure, by any fair and objective measure, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have been much more dictatorial.To use their term, much more fascist. than Trump was.
We now have two presidencies to compare side by side.Let me ask you, how many times did Donald Trump prosecute his opponent and leading contender for president?Zero.That would be zero.
The Democrats have done it four times, shattering all precedent in American history. You look at weaponization, and we talk about weaponization a lot, using the Department of Justice to go after your enemies, to persecute your enemies.
That's something Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, they do over and over and over again.Donald Trump didn't do that. You didn't see, so we've seen SWAT teams bursting into the homes of pro-life activists at dawn with machine guns drawn.
When Trump was president did you see any SWAT teams bursting into pro-choice activists and arresting them at dawn? No, never.It is entirely one-sided.And by the way, their big answer to everything is January 6th, January 6th.
Yes, there were acts of violence on January 6th.There was also a lot of peaceful protest on January 6th.There were both.My view is very simple.If you commit an act of violence, you should be prosecuted.That includes people who I might agree with.
Whether I agree with you or not, if you violently assault someone, if you assault a police officer, you should be prosecuted. That's true for right-wing, left-wing, or anything else.Now, by the way, if you engage in peaceful protest, you should not.
And what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have done is they've used the violent actions of a limited number of people as an excuse to persecute hundreds or even thousands who engaged on peaceful protest on January 6th.
Standing in the mall, waving a flag, singing God Bless America is not violent conduct.And yet they have used that to target and persecute them.And by the way, again, They look away from violence when they agree with the perpetrators.
So Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots, they're not just fine.I wasn't going to say they're fine.Tim Walz won't send in the National Guard and Kamala Harris raises bail money to bail out the violent rioters.
And so this argument, I think the screaming Trump is Hitler is really a sign of fear and desperation that they just don't have anything else.
Worries me too because it's like you guys know in the same party you heard it last week when Barack Obama's like well Civility is gone, and we need civility back, and it's somehow the Republicans fault and then immediately they're like oh and side note This guy should be in jail.
He can't be trusted and he could be Hitler and and when we know that their rhetoric has clearly had an impact on people trying to take him out I
I am shocked that the media has not called her out for this moment because they didn't and in fact she walked straight over from there basically to this CNN town hall and it was supposed to be a closing argument for people watching CNN and for Undecides.
They weren't trying to convince conservatives to vote for her obviously.It's going to be an easier interview.It's at CNN, Anderson Cooper.This is a friendly audience for her.This should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
and it didn't go well which it was it was a word salad i was watching it going can they please extend the interview and make this a two hour town hall because it's only helping trump from what i was watching well look to be fair you're you're a right wing partisan so surely no one who agrees with kamala could have thought that oh wait wait anyone watching that thought that
If you're not inclined to trust Ben Ferguson, and by the way if you're a regular listener to the podcast I'd be surprised if you're not inclined to trust Ben Ferguson, but for sake of argument let's say you're not.How about David Axelrod?
What did David Axelrod think of Kamala's performance?
Take a listen to this.So what concerned me is when she doesn't want to answer a question, her habit is to kind of go to world word salad city.And she did that on a couple of answers.One was on Israel.
Anderson asked a direct question, would you be stronger on Israel than Trump?And, uh, there was a seven minute answer, but not, none of it related to the question he was asking.And so, you know, on certain questions like that,
On immigration, I thought she missed an opportunity because she would acknowledge no concerns about any of the administration's policies.And that's a mistake.Sometimes you have to concede things.And she didn't concede much.
But I'll tell you something.John King mentioned Bill Clinton.No one's going to be Bill Clinton.But you do want to relate to the people in front of you.She didn't do a lot of that.She didn't ask them questions.She didn't address them particularly.
uh so she was giving set pieces uh too much i mean he said it a word salad i mean she's a master she's gone pro at saying nothing in response to real questions yeah well look at an axelrod is actually accurate as to why she's doing it because she has memorized set pieces that she says and whatever question you ask she just says the words that that she's memorized
And there was another component that he said that is right, which is acknowledging mistakes.Listen, credibility matters.
You know, I think back to when I was arguing cases in court, when I was arguing cases before the Supreme Court, that I would always try as an advocate to acknowledge the weakest points of my argument, whether the weakest facts in the case or the weakest case law.
If there was a fact that was a problem in my case, I wouldn't try to run away from it.I'd say, yeah, this is a problem. but here's why I think my client prevails anyway."So you acknowledge it.The phrase is, put a lantern on it.
You admit, okay, this is a problem, but then you give the argument why you think you should win anyway.And look, I want to start with what may win the Guinness Book of World Records for the worst town hall answer ever.
which is Anderson Cooper asks her what her biggest weakness is.Now this is not a complicated question to figure out.
You think about just about every job interview that a intern to from an intern down to a senior position what's your biggest weakness is a very typical job interview question but her answer I mean it's just spectacularly bad.Give a listen.
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Take a listen.What weaknesses do you bring to the table and how do you plan to overcome them while you're in office?
That's a great question, Joe.Well, I am certainly not perfect, so let's start there.And I think that
Perhaps a weakness, some would say, but I actually think it's a strength, is I really do value having a team of very smart people around me who bring to my decision-making process different perspectives.
My team will tell you, I am constantly saying, let's kick the tire on that.Let's kick the tires on it.
Is there something you can point to in your life, political life or in your life in the last four years, that you think is a mistake that you have learned from?
I mean, I've made many mistakes.They range from, you know, if you've ever parented a child, you know you make lots of mistakes.
uh... in my role as vice president i mean i've probably worked very hard at making sure that uh... i am well versed on issues and uh... i think that is very important it's a mistake not to be well versed on an issue and feel compelled to answer a question
So let me get this straight.Her greatest weakness is she surrounds herself with an amazing team who love America, who work incredibly hard, who just get to the bottom of every issue carefully with nuance.
And by the way, they're a diverse team, so they have different views, so they consider the pros and cons.That's her weakness, mind you. but it's not nearly as good as her greatest mistake.
Her greatest mistake is, you know, gosh darn it, I work too hard to get it right, I prepare too much, I just make everything so good that that's the mistake I've learned is, well, it'd be a mistake not to do what I do, which is do everything perfectly.
Like, holy crap.Seriously, if you were interviewing an intern, And they gave you that answer.Would you even continue the interview or just be like, all right, look, good luck to you.You'll find a job somewhere that's not going to be here.
No, that's exactly if you were saying what you would do.It's also funny.I don't know if you saw this going viral, Senator, but it was it was creepily similar.
The beginning of her response to a scene out of the TV show The Office, where in a job interview, they ask the main character, Steve Carell, the same exact question, and he gives her answer, or she gives his answer from The Office, almost verbatim.
And it's gone viral.It's like, what did she prep for?Did she learn everything from watching The Office?Because there's almost a side-by-side ridiculous answer.
And the funny part is, The Office, the whole point of it, was the absurd and insane and hilarious answers, right?It's not written to be real.It's written to be absurd.
And yet, her answer is almost identical to the actual words in the scene in The Office.You can't make that up.
Yeah, and look, it goes back to David Axelrod's point.You get credibility by acknowledging mistakes.Now, she's unable to acknowledge any weaknesses whatsoever.She's unable to acknowledge any mistakes whatsoever, but that's not just in the generic.
Let's take the specifics.The easiest thing to say would be on the southern border, listen, what's happened has been a mess, but we're going to fix it.But when she's asked
about the policies that she and Joe Biden put in place that caused this invasion on the southern border.She acknowledges nothing.Listen to her answer on this one.
Do you wish you'd done those executive orders in 2022-2023?
I think we did the right thing and but the best thing that can happen for the American people is that we have bipartisan work happening and I pledge to you that I will work across the aisle to fix this long-standing problem.
I think the American people are demanding it on both sides of the aisle and it's time we actually put the partisan approach to this aside.We know what can work.
One hell of a way to end a question like that saying that you're the one that created the problem but somehow it's got to be bipartisan and we know it can work when you're the one that allowed all these people to come in this country with a wide open border as the borders are.
Well, and it's amazing to say I think we did the right thing.I was absolutely right.When Joe Biden and I came into office, we inherited the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years.
We undid that on day one, and we caused the worst rate of illegal immigration in history.I think we did the right thing. like acknowledging nothing, saying nothing.
And by the way, she goes on, there is also an element, part of acknowledging mistakes is occasionally having some graciousness to concede something positive about your opponent.
When Anderson Cooper asked her about the border wall, listen to what she says about this.
Donald Trump, you criticized the wall more than 50 times.You called it stupid, useless, and a medieval vanity project.Is a border wall stupid?
Well, let's talk about Donald Trump and that border wall.So remember, Donald Trump said Mexico would pay for it? Come on, they didn't.How much of that wall did he build?
I think the last number I saw was about 2%, and then when it came time for him to do a photo op, you know where he did it?In the part of the wall that President Obama built.
But you're agreeing to a bill that would earmark $650 million to continue building that wall.
I pledge that I am going to bring forward that bipartisan bill. to further strengthen and secure our border.Yes, I am.And I'm going to work across the aisle to pass a comprehensive bill that deals with a broken immigration system.
I think Jackson's question, part of it was to acknowledge that America has always had migration, but there needs to be a legal process for it. People have to earn it.
And that's the point that I think is the most important point that can be made, which is we need a president who is grounded in common sense and practical outcomes.Like, let's just fix this thing.Let's just fix it.
Why is there any ideological perspective on it?Let's just fix the problem.
To fix the problem, you're doing this compromise bill.It does call for $650 million that was earmarked under Trump to actually still go to build a wall.
I'm not afraid of good ideas where they occur.
So you don't think it's stupid anymore?
I think what he did and how he did it did not make much sense because he actually didn't do much of anything.I just talked about that wall, right?We just talked about it.He didn't actually do much of anything.
But you do want to build some wall?
I want to strengthen our border.
So which one is it?She wants to strengthen our border?She wants to build the wall?But the wall's stupid if she doesn't build it?And it's a wall that she said she would never build and she would tear down.
So what she said was incoherent.It was factually wrong.Actually, Donald Trump built a substantial amount of wall. And at every inch of that wall that was built, Kamala Harris was fighting against it.
Every single time she had a chance to vote on it, she voted against it.She's opposed a border wall every single day she's been in the Senate.I know that because I've been there with her every single day she's been at the Senate.
At every stage, her answer was no, no, no on any vote.By the way, I'm the author of Kate's Law.Kate's Law is named for Kate Steinle, a beautiful 28-year-old California woman
who was murdered on a California pier, shot through the heart by an illegal immigrant who had been in and out of jail over and over and over again, had been deported repeatedly over and over and over again, and the revolving door system of illegal immigration just kept letting him back in.
Kate's Law says that anyone who is a repeat illegal immigrant who is an aggravated felon would face a mandatory minimum prison sentence.An overwhelming majority of Americans agree with that.
A super majority of Americans agree with Kate's Law and yet twice I forced a vote on Kate's Law on the floor of the Senate and Kamala Harris happily voted against it.
So her claiming that she wants to secure the border, no she doesn't because she's opposed it at every stage. She can't acknowledge him when she claims, oh, Donald Trump did nothing.
Well, what about the fact that we produced the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years?Do you acknowledge that at all?No, she does not admit anything.
And her claim that, well, he did nothing, what he did was a joke, but I'm going to do something because now suddenly the thing I fought against at every stage, I'll do, but not really.But by the way, we made no mistakes when it came to the border.
This is, I do believe, going to be the Achilles heel for her on election day, and that is this overall lack of cohesion of ideas.I think the flip-flopping is hurting her, which brings me to what she's doing today in Texas.
She's not coming to campaign necessarily in texas because i don't think she believes she's going to win in texas She is coming however to attack texas and texas laws To say to the rest of the country better vote for me so that you don't have people and things and and ideas that actually are Brought to light like they've done in texas that go against what we believe in which is for example abortion on demand
this is a very interesting and radical strategy all at the same time.Do you believe it's going to work?
Well I don't and I think Kamala one of the things the left has decided is that they're going to describe Texas as this horrible hellhole and like her message is going to be vote for me to avoid America becoming like Texas.
And I gotta say you do have sort of facts and reality that crashes into that which is For more than a decade, Texas has had over 1,000 people a day moving to our state.People are voting with their feet.They want to be here.
And where do they come from?They come from bright blue states.They come from her state.They come from California.They come from Illinois.They come from New York.They come from New Jersey.They come from Connecticut.
They come from states that have adopted these high tax, high regulation, terrible environment for small businesses, terrible environment for jobs, and then soft on crime.
And by the way, all right, let's listen to her answer when she was confronted about her soft on crime policies.Let's listen to what she says on that.
On the issue of law and order, as you mentioned, I think there's just a whole lot of misinformation, to be honest with you.I have personally prosecuted
very serious crime it's how i started my career i spent most of my career as a prosecutor not in washington dc and as my first priority had and and remains as a first priority to me the safety of the american people so that has not changed and sadly i think that there is uh... a bit of misinformation if not more than a bit uh... but i'm glad that you raise the subject so that i can address it
She, again, generalities, no actual real answer to the question.
Yeah, does she address true or false?You have repeatedly called for defunding the police.Answer true.True or false?You voted for defunding the police.Answer true.True or false?You've called for abolishing and defunding ICE.Answer true.True or false?
You've called for shutting down ICE detention centers and pledged to do so on your first day as president.Answer true.True or false?You've advocated for releasing violent criminals from jail.True.
True or false, you've advocated for ending cash bail and letting criminals out without even paying bail.True.True or false, you've advocated for decriminalizing illegal border crossings.True.True or false, you raised bail money to bail out
violent rioters in Minneapolis.Answer true.Now, in the face of all those facts, what does she say?Misinformation.By the way, with no counter narrative, she just says, no, no, no, I'm a prosecutor.Look, I was raised in the middle class.
Look, I'm a prosecutor.Those are two crutches that she goes to repeatedly, but then she actually does not address anything that resembles facts.
Let me also ask you another question about this town hall and it dealt with her Plan and it's the socialist plan her plan on groceries She's now tripling down.
She tried to run away from it that didn't work So now she's back at it again saying if you vote for me, I'm gonna give you a communist price control She was actually asked a question from someone in the audience about this.Listen, I
Prices have gone up quite a bit in the last four years, and some people blame former President Trump, some people blame President Biden.Who would you say is correct, and what would you do to bring prices down for Americans?
Thank you, Eric, and you're absolutely right.You know it, I know it, I think most Americans know it.Price of groceries is still too high. And we need to address it in a number of ways.
One of my aspects of doing what we need to do to bring down the cost of living for working people and the middle class in America is to address the issue of grocery prices.
Part of my background and how I come to it is probably a new approach, grounded in a lot of my experiences as a former Attorney General, where I took on price gouging.
And part of my plan is to create a new approach that is the first time that we will have a national ban on price gouging.
Mean that that seems like the most ridiculous answer this national ban on price gouging We already have a lot of laws on price gouging a lot of states have those laws And they're the ones that usually are implementing them So what is she actually offering up here this that that everybody that has?
That's a as a big store is evil if I don't like their price today.I
Well, and listen, in the grocery context it's particularly absurd.So states that have price gouging laws, and by the way Texas has a price gouging law, they're typically focused on emergencies.
So if you have, say, a hurricane, price gouging laws are if ordinarily you charge a dollar for a bottle of water and a hurricane hits and you decide you're going to charge $50 for a bottle of water.
That's when price gouging kicks in, is that when you're taking a disaster and just taking advantage of people in a time of crisis.And states do have laws for that.They don't apply just to day in, day out, the ordinary pricing of goods and services.
And particularly in the grocery context, the average profit margin in a grocery store is typically one or two percent.So the idea that the feds are going to come
like forced grocery stores it's you know big grocery that is the cause of inflation rather than the disastrous policies she has led is asinine but I will say look to Anderson Cooper's question you know to his credit
He pointed out, wait a second, you're in the White House right now.If this is a good idea, why aren't you doing it?
And listen to her response about why she hasn't done what she's proposing, despite the fact that she's been in the White House four years and in power.
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Some voters though might ask, you've been in the White House for four years, you were vice president, not the president, but why wasn't any of that done for the last four years?
Well, there was a lot that was done, but there's more to do, Anderson.And I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done, but need to be done.
You couldn't write a better script for Saturday Night Live.
There you go.I'm pointing out the things that need to be done, that haven't been done, that need to be done.And by the way, I'm the one that didn't do them, but I'm the one you can count to do them.
But actually, compare that and combine that with, let's remember her biggest mistake, but when she's asked, look, people want to change the page.They want to turn the page.They recognize that the Biden-Harris record is a disaster.
So when she's asked how she's different from Joe Biden, take a listen to her answer.
Considering you have been in the position of vice president for the past four years under the Biden administration, how can we expect you to deviate from the direction of that administration compared to your own?
How can we differentiate your policy and your beliefs from that of Biden's?That's a great question and thank you.
Well, first of all, My administration will not be a continuation of the Biden administration.I bring to this role my own ideas and my own experience.
I represent a new generation of leadership on a number of issues and believe that we have to actually take new approaches.For example, what we talked about in terms of housing.My experience that leads to that
priority includes what I did to take on the big banks around the foreclosure crisis when I brought billions of dollars to homeowners that were the subject of predatory lending.
I know what homeownership means to the American people not to mention what it meant to my mother who worked very hard and saved up so that by the time I was a teenager she was able to buy our first home.
I bring to it my experience actually taking care of my mother when she was sick and it was as it turned out dying from cancer. And so I know what it means and have the experience of taking care of an elderly relative and I have raised children.
And so I bring to my priorities and will as president a new approach and a new idea frankly about what we need to do to deal with the sandwich generation.
There it is.It's it's I'm not him.His policies are terrible.I'm different.But a month ago, I told you we were amazing together and his policies were amazing.
and the difference is I'm a new generation.I actually care about people unlike that old geezer.By the way I know what it's like to care for old geezers.
Look at the one I care for in the White House right now that I lied to you about and said was brilliant and engaged when he actually isn't.I mean it truly is a miracle of circularity but We actually should close on what we opened on.
We talked about how she held a press conference to say that Trump is a fascist and Trump is Hitler.She's not running away from that.That's her big October surprise.So give a listen when she's asked whether she thinks Trump is a fascist.
Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
Yes, I do.Yes, I do.And I also believe that the people who know him best on this subject should be trusted.
Senator, I go back to the dog whistle.
This is so concerning to me because all I hear is, hey, if there's someone out there that wants to finish the job these other two attempted assassins were trying to finish, the president's already been shot once.
We've dehumanized him to the point where we're right back to calling him a fascist.And earlier today in front of the official American flag at the home of the vice president, I'm telling you he's Hitler.
I cannot believe the level of hatred and irresponsibility from Kamala Harris in this moment.
At the same time that they're sending out Barack Obama to say we need more civility and decency and this bitterness is too much and by the way my opponent is Hitler.They managed to say those without taking a breath between those two statements.
This is the campaign, this is the closing arguments.
I do feel like this is desperation, as you mentioned earlier, Senator, and they feel like this election may be slipping away from them, and this is their way to say, hey, orange man's fascist, orange man Hitler, let's see if that's our closing argument, if it works for the American people, and oh, by the way, we want to kill babies on demand, let's have a big rally in Texas on that.
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