On this episode of Supervision Simplified, Amy and I are taking you into the room with us in Oxford to tell you about the Master Series, some of the things that stood out to us, how much we walked away with, and how inspired and excited we are, and how we think all of you need to be in Oxford next year with us.
So you don't want to miss this episode.
Welcome to Supervision Simplified, the podcast that's here to rock your supervisory world.
Our mission is simple yet powerful, to educate and elevate counselors, social workers, and psychologists, empowering them to serve their communities at the highest level of fidelity and service.I'm Dr. Amy Parks.
I'm a child and teen psychologist, a group practice owner, and a supervisor in Virginia.
And I'm Valerie Harris, a trauma and attachment specialist, group practice owner, and a supervisor in Tennessee. Let's make it simple and dive right in.
Hello there, and welcome back to Supervision Simplified.I am Dr. Amy Parks.And I am Valerie Harris.And thank you for joining us on our podcast about all things supervision.
We are here to share with you today our recent experience in Oxford, England at the Masters Conference.And we, Valerie and I, went together really primarily for the purposes of studying under Dr. Gabor Maté.
But we also had an amazing experience not only in England and at Oxford touring around, but also seeing and hearing and learning under many of the masters in our field.So we wanted to share that experience with you.
We want to invite you into that experience.We want to encourage you to expand your your horizons in training around the world and tell you a little bit about that and get you give you sort of a
and insiders look at the experience that we had and really kind of encourage you to be in the room more often.So we want to talk a little bit about that.
So Valerie, tell us about your experience and give everybody a little bit of background about how you started going to Oxford because you're really the person that introduced it to me.
Yes, so I was fortunate to have the opportunity to do some consulting work with a company called Lodic AI out of California, and they are creating an app
by which they and the founder of the app is former military and also used to work at the RAND Corporation for many, many years.So for those who don't know, the RAND Corporation does lots of stats data.That's just what they do.
They're known for doing that.And so one of the things, he's very passionate about mental health and one of the things that He discovered or really started to play around with is this idea of story and narrative and.
For those who don't know, like, the tagline for our my company is where your story matters.So I'm also very story centric and.
The app is one in which they, people can essentially tell their story and using certain keywords or picking up on, it's teaching the AI to pick up on certain things to try to determine when people are in a waning stage.
So before they hit depression, so from wellness to depression, you have this period of waning.And the idea was that if the app can pick that up by their story,
then it can intervene upon that during that stage with resources, interventions, and so my work was to help do some of the consulting on the trauma aspects of that.As a result of that, they invited me to work with
an initiative that happens in Oxford with a non-government organization who essentially trains people and works with a lot of women and trains them on taking trauma-sensitive narratives from women who are coming, men and women who are coming out of war zones.
So refugees being able to take their narratives, take their stories, how to do that in a trauma-sensitive interviewing and things like that. The funny part is when I got the email to get invited to Oxford, I thought it was Mississippi.
And I realized it was Oxford, Oxford.I nearly died.And it was an incredible experience.And I was surrounded by a lot of women
from all over the world, attorneys, journalists, sociologists from the Ukraine who are working with military, people out of Bosnia.And that's when I discovered that
Although the rest of the world is often ahead of us in math and science, or at least a lot of these other countries, when it comes to trauma, they are behind.They're very behind.
So on my way back from that trip three years ago, that's when I formed the education and consulting company.I did it in the airport because I was on fire and realized there are so many industries that don't understand how trauma works.
Because I did a presentation on trauma, very brief, to help them understand how it works in the brain.And they were floored.They were like, this makes so much sense.Nobody's ever said this like this.
Why aren't they telling attorneys this and journalists?And I'm like, you know what?I don't know.Why aren't they?So that's where it all started for me.
Yeah.And so when you went to Oxford that first time, you also got the Oxford bug. I did.You started looking for anything that was happening at Oxford and paying attention to any events that were occurring there.
And I happened, so I happened to be a huge C.S.Lewis fan and I knew that C.S.Lewis was very well grounded in Oxford so there was an air about Oxford that just felt like home.And I went and saw his grave.
I went to the home where he wrote the Narnia series, like all the things.But then on a free day in Oxford, I was just looking for places to look at and saw a university with my maiden name on it, Somerville College.
And I knew by their logo that that was my family crest from Scotland.So I went to that university and I was like, I'm a Somerville.And they were like, what?
I toured it, talked to them, found out all about Mary Somerville, my ancestor, who was actually very instrumental in advocating for women's right to vote.She was on the women's most, I don't know, most dangerous women's list.
And she, the university was named after her.And at the time it was started, it was the only university in Oxford that was for women only. And now it is, it is not just women, but, um, that was because she was there.
And so it was this very existential process and of like, oh my God, this is why I feel so grounded here because this, my roots are here.Like culturally, this is exactly.
what I'm about and I'm there speaking to a group of women and I find out about my ancestor and I come home with a book that says Somerville for women and it's all about her.
And so from that point on, I just determined that I will go to Oxford every year for the rest of my life, at least once a year.
There you go. There you go.So then you started looking for things and reasons to go that were in addition to that.Yes.
And we discovered that some of our most revered theorists, the people that we really respect and admire and authors that we have read and people that we have met, people that we have actually spoken beside and
uh, support, we're going to be at, uh, this conference.We knew that we could, uh, train alongside them and, uh, work closely with them.And so you and I said, okay, let's go to this.
When I went last year, I had just missed it.So last year I had, I was in Oxford and the conference had just ended.So that's how I found out about it.And I was like, oh no, I'm going from now on, like I'm going next year.
And that was the first year.Last year was the first year they had ever done the Masters Event Series and the Masters Series.So this is the second year they have done it.And so we both decided that we would go together and It was amazing.
So for those of you that are aware of, you know, people in our field, so Dr. Gabra Mate was there.Dan Siegel was there.Richard Schwartz was there.John and Julie Gottman were there.Janina Fisher was there.Amy Appeggio was there.Who else was there?
Ruth Cohen.Ruth Cohen was there.Richard Schwartz. Yeah, Richard Schwartz was there, I think I said.Russell Vandercolt.Oh yeah, Russell Vandercolt.Wait, how do you say Russell Vandercolt was there?Terry Reel.Terry Reel was there, exactly.
All those people. Next year, Esther Perel is going to be there.So yeah, so every big, well, most, not every, Stephen Porges was there.So not every big name, but most of the big names that are in our field were there.
Curiously, many of those big name people are in their 70s and 80s.
And yes, I knew Frank Anderson was also there.And yes, I knew these people are not going to be alive forever.And they have made such an impact.How can you not like touch them, see them and just thank them?
And so interesting to think about, you know, us in our sort of career, like the part of our career where we are sort of like, I guess, age-wise, but also like trajectory-wise and thinking where they are sort of age-wise and trajectory-wise.
And, you know, as a professor, I look at the things that I teach and, you know, who are the major theorists that I'm teaching my students and, you know, where I am and what am I teaching and what am I giving back to the profession.
And it's just very interesting and fascinating to sort of see who's shaped things.
And I think, so what we wanted to share with you as the audience is what we experienced there, but also really talk about how incredibly valuable it is and how much we encourage you
to, especially post-COVID, to really make the effort to be in the room, to really, really make the effort to be in the room.
And we know lots of people that are doing lots of conferences, and we really support all the people that are doing all the things.We're everybody's hype girls.And we're speakers ourselves, and we certainly talk about a lot of things.
We certainly talk a lot about supervision. We talk about the brain, we talk about trauma.And all those things are really important to us.And there are a lot of people talking about business, which is great also.
And I just really want to emphasize that being in the room with people and having the opportunity to really have the shared experience of learning feeds you.
I was really thinking about that I I do, I do so much speaking that I don't do enough learning anymore.
It's really interesting.Uh, you know, you get to a point where you've kind of, and I hate to say it like this, but like, you've kind of heard it all.Right.
And, and even when, even at the masters, I've heard them all, I've heard all of them speak, but there's something about being in the room again, that you hear things, you hear things that you hear new things.
Yes.Are you hearing it in a new way?Or it has a different context because you've advanced a little in your life and skillset.
So whatever would have landed with you the first time you hear Gabor Mate, and I've heard them so many times, I've seen them in person, met them in person before this time, and there wasn't a ton new.
And yet I still took away these little golden eggs that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
Yep, I agree.And you know, it's interesting, because I think I went well, I went into it definitely needing to be nourished, there's no doubt about it.
But I also went into it sort of thinking, gosh, you know, I feel like I've heard all these people, I've heard this all and what do I need to hear?Like, what do I need? And I kind of forgot that I needed to be, how much I needed to be in the room.
And I think that that's a post pandemic thing.I really, really do.Because we, we've gotten so jaded around this like meeting, like everything is virtual.And, you know, we're sort of hearing things recorded over and over.
And we've got a lot of books and I read all the time.And, you know, I, I, again, I like, I feel like I've heard it all.And, and I think that happens when you've been in the field for 30 years. Um, being in the room.Okay.
So here's the difference between being in the room in virtual and, and hearing and getting a training and being in the room, sitting next to somebody from Canada and talking to her for four minutes.Okay.
So this was, this was the most powerful part of the entire training for me.
Entire week.So we had to do this exercise in one of. One of the things we did, and I know you remember this, we had to turn to our neighbor and we had to talk for four minutes.
And then they had to talk for four minutes and we weren't allowed to say anything while they were talking.We just had to sit and listen. which of course, for most of us is tricky, but it's a good exercise.
And I do this with my students all the time, because of course, they all want to be therapists and they think they're supposed to therapize, but it's very important to learn to be in this space and just listen.
And the person that I was, so I sat next to all people the whole week from all over the world, from Germany, from Ukraine, from Canada, from France, from everywhere, all over the world.Never, ever have I trained with people from all over the world.
So the person next to me, I mean, I couldn't even like connect with these people on LinkedIn because they were like, well, what's your WhatsApp?And I'm like, shoot, I don't even know.I gotta figure it out, right?
So the person I was sitting next to this for the four minute thing was from Canada.And, and she, so Gabor Mate had said something about Trump.And it was not political.The thing that he had said about Trump was trauma related.And it wasn't political.
But she, she did set her four minutes and she said, I'm scared sitting next to you. And she said, because I know you're American and maybe you might be voting for Trump.
Like, so she spent her four minutes talking about how scared she was that I was American and she was from Canada and how worried she was for America.And just spent her time talking about how as a Canadian, she's just so worried about America.
And the exercise was like, what you're afraid to say, like what you're afraid to say no to.And so she said she was afraid to like, move.
From like sitting next to me because she was didn't want to like be offensive, but she was afraid When he was talking about trump because she was so sensitive to this like america trump thing Because I guess in canada maybe her in her area like it's just a super big thing And it was so profound
for me to sit next to this woman and to talk and to hear her lived experience around this like fear she has of sitting next to a person just for, she just talked for four minutes about sitting next to me for an entire day.
Like I was distracting to her because I was just, cause I was American and I was like, Lady, I'm really sorry that you have spent the whole day worrying about this.First of all, I'm not voting for Trump.And second of all, this is not about that.
I'm so sorry you've spent the whole day worrying.But it was so amazing to be in this international experience and to have people profoundly moved by just being in the room. with people from around the world.
And I was thinking about the trauma of people from Ukraine and the trauma of people from Israel.
And when people were mentioned that were from Palestine, people that were, you know, had been brought up that were, you know, were triggered by traumatic, you know, conversations and just, gosh, just can't emphasize enough, like how much the being in the room mattered.
Yeah, that's, that's exactly what it did to me.The first time I went to Oxford, like, it wrecked me.It was, I mean, to sit and we did this exercise.And.
like a cultural exercise and like around refugees and story and narrative and it was so powerful and I was paired with a sociologist out of the Ukraine and it was so interesting to see how differently she attributed certain stressors and you could see that the stressors she would attribute to her little avatar
were far different than the ones that I would have for the same avatar and it you know because it speaks to the the cultural like the complexity but also the violence and you know the things that they're dealing with versus the things we're dealing with and if you look at like
You know, the hierarchy of needs, you know what I mean?Like they're in a different space.And then we are, and then also to work with, um, and to hear from people.
Um, like there were Filipino that are giving a presentation and we're talking about how arranged marriages are technically illegal in the Philippines and they still do them. And she's an attorney trying to fight this.
And, and so then I'm sitting here going, what do you, what do you mean it's illegal?And it's like, isn't this what we have the UN for?Like, isn't this?And so then I remember, you know, I went into that always thinking I wanted to be a diplomat.
I was like, I want to be a diplomat.Cause I want to go to these other countries.I want to make peace.I want to do all the things. I learned through that, that I was not made to be a diplomat because you have to have your country's back at all times.
Even when they're in the wrong, it's your country's interest.And so I was like, okay, no, I'm meant to work with NGOs.Now I know.So I was so inspired by that, that I thought, okay, well, here's this girl who's
barely out of college, and she's from Bosnia, and she spends half her time in Bosnia taking these narratives.And then I've got this access to this person in Ukraine, and I can connect to the women that are in Ukraine.
So I'm like, okay, I just need to make resources, have them translated into different languages and get them to these people.All to find out The, my friend from Bosnia, she's like, no, no, no, they're not going to listen to you.
They won't, they don't want any part of you.I even got set up with a meeting with someone in the Ukraine and had our friend translate.
And I could see the acute trauma response because the, in the Ukraine, their women are in combat and on the front lines. And so they rotate in for 14 days and they rotate out for 14 days.
When they're rotating out and they're back on their base, they don't know what to do with themselves because they're still so much in that acute state of trauma and war.And so they don't know how to get any regulation, any capacity.
So I thought, well, if I can just help them do that.But then I saw just how dysregulated she was.And I'm like, a worksheet's not going to do this.So then I'm like, And I don't know how open they are to it.So.
Then it started my mind going, okay, so I need to get with the NGOs and people that work with them and I need to equip those people and then those people.Can use mirror neurons and the relationship to equip the people so.
I would have never understood how to even approach that or broach it or what to do with it prior to that experience, but I would have thought I knew how.You know what I mean?There's something different about being right there.
We're so small and we're so young.And then I was sitting in another thing and then somebody said, somebody, I thought this was so funny.Somebody said, gosh, we don't have any buildings like this in the United States.
And I looked at her- That was totally me.
No, it might've been, but I looked, it wasn't you, but I looked at the girl and I said, do you understand that this floor that we're standing on is older?Just this floor alone is older than our country.
Just the floor.The first time I was there, that was like, I was like, but it's so much prettier here.And I remember a cab driver.That's what it was.
He was like, well, we've been around a lot longer.It's 250 years old.Just the floor.Yeah.
So anyway, well, you know, and so I think the thing that I, you know, I really kind of want to emphasize and sort of, you know, circle it back to our supervision focus is that, you know, we talk a lot about, I mean, our focus is supervision and we're talking about England and we're talking about Oxford and we're talking about being in the room.
And I really do think that I want to emphasize how critical it is in the supervision relationship to remember that each member of that supervision relationship comes at it with this lived experience.
And being in the room is about recognizing that each person has, brings to it, that brings to that experience their own background and their own lived experience.
But being together and being in the room together is this beautiful, amazing opportunity to really come together and just build something incredibly powerful.And that's, you know, that's the thing that I think is so easily lost.
And it's such an incredible opportunity that I, and not just between supervisee and supervisor, but between supervisors, the community of supervisors.And that's, again, like I was so, I have so little opportunity as a sort of like, I don't know if I
I guess I could just say like an advanced clinician or like someone who's been in the field for so long.I have so little opportunity to kind of hang with people that have been doing this work for a long time.
And so to be in the room with people who knew who Gaber Mate was, who had been following him for decades, you know, who actually had advanced trauma training, who had been in working in the field for 20 years and to sit next to them and to be able to like,
talk the talk and to really dig into something deep was so nourishing to me.I just, I was like, I could lay down at night and just like go to sleep.
So can I tell you something?Cause I think that all of our listeners need to know this as well.Um, I first got my encounter with Gabor Mate in 2018 in New York.I had, um, I had gotten clients, they were veterans and it was very clear to me.
There was DID very clear.I called anyone and everyone I knew to call in Nashville.I called every.Like psychiatrists that I had contact.Like I was panning. for some help somewhere and kept getting invalidated.Are you sure this is real?
Are you sure this is real?Couldn't find anything.Went to an ACA conference.It didn't even get close, didn't touch.There was nothing, hardly even trauma related.I was super frustrated and annoyed.So I started searching high and low.
I'm like, there have to be trauma organizations.Like I need to find and join any trauma organization I can find. and looking at YouTube and different things.And so that's how I stumbled upon Gabor Maté.That's how I stumbled upon Janina Fisher.
And then I found that they're all connected to the ISSTD, which is the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation.
So in 2018, I went to New York City to their conference, and that's where I saw Elizabeth Howell, who's written books on DID.You know, Gabor Maté was the first time I had seen him in like in person and really heard from him.
And that was my first experience that describes exactly what you're saying, Amy.Like these people, when they come to this conference,
And this past year they had it in, um, in Louisville, which was fantastic or last year it was, um, they come from New Zealand.They're coming from Canada.They're coming from all over the world.
And I remember just going like Colin Ross, who's been working with DID since the seventies, um, And I've gone to some of their intensives.
I went to an intensive for a training in Colorado and one of the people on the panel, she was 90 something years old and helped me with a DID client where I was like, I just feel like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I've been working with this person like five years now.And she's like, no, no, no. This person is so close to completing treatment and you're just not used to that.You know, this is very typical.This is what happens.
No one could have told me these things other than these people who have been working with this for 40 plus years.And so my passion and drive, and I think you're feeling it too.Who's going to pick this up when they're gone? These people are so giving.
They continue to do the research.They continue to take complex cases.I can email some of these people right now.I can email Janina Fisher and she will respond to me.We need this legacy to carry on.
And that's why we need to also have supervisors in community together.We have to have opportunities for supervisors to meet on a regular basis monthly.
weekly, biweekly, whatever, through the clinical supervision directory or through whatever strategies they can meet.
Because if you're not finding out resources like ISSTD, or you don't know about ways to connect with trainings or opportunities to case consult, you're not getting the kind of nourishment that you need.
And you're not finding out, I mean, I can't tell you how many, you know, like just how, fulfilling it can be to be able to talk to people who are, you know, doing big things.
And, and, you know, I just don't think enough people understand how powerful it is to surround yourself with people who are doing big things.
I just really don't. It just, and people who are so humble, like that's, that has always been what stood out to me is, you know, they don't do it to make the name for themselves.They are not doing it for any other reason, but impact and legacy.
And because they are absolutely passionate.About leaving the world better than they found it.And it, it is so beautiful.Like it is, it's. You know, it's just it's what it's what love to me really looks like.You know what I mean?It's it's selfless.
It's I mean to Like, I'm tired.I'm 44, and I get tired, and I don't feel like doing things.
These people are in their 70s or 80s and are there a whole day, enduring selfies with people like me, signing my book, answering questions, and they have smiles on their faces.I know.That's stunning.And they're not burned out.They are not burned out.
And so they have mastered the art of doing things. being in their zone of genius and making an impact and continuing to love what they do.And you can't be around that and your mirror neurons not line up and just get infused with it.Right.
We haven't even been able to have a chance to talk about my great idea for what I want to do for our podcast at the conference. What I told you, my idea.
I think it's brilliant.I, so my idea, well, I'm not, I don't even want to tell it.No, I don't want to tell it.We're going to do something amazing though, in future, at future conferences at the masters.
I think actually we should do it at more than just that conference.
Yeah.And speaking at it, we're going to make that happen too.
I absolutely think we should.And I think we should broadcast from it.I think we could record from it because I think that there is wisdom to be gained from the international community.Absolutely.Particularly that people have not tapped into.
And I have a brilliant way to do it.So look for that in the future. because I think that it's a missing piece in our world.You know, we don't hear enough from each other.
And this is- I mean, just being in the Sheldonian Theater alone, the amount of diplomats that had been there, C.S.Lewis spoke there.I mean- Every king and queen.Yes.Like you can't- History.You just can't, I mean,
If we know that trauma is stored at a cellular level, then we also know that there's a lot of positive, great things stored at a cellular level.You know what I mean?
Like we have these schemas and we have these, these little templates and you walk in and I just, I would encourage people to leave your country, please.And not just a Caribbean.That's, that's great.That's a start.
all the way over to another continent, like all the way.It doesn't have to be Europe, but it can, but it could be any other one.But I'm telling you, there's just something very different.
And Oxford to me, as an educator, first and foremost, and someone who's a lifelong learner, I just feel like I am among like-minded people. in every sense, and it's, I feel inspired.Like I am more inspired just being there.Yeah, I would agree.
Which is why I'm gonna go back next year again, and I'm gonna try to stay even longer and work on writing a book.So what was your, so what were, give us a couple of your top takeaways.That is hard to narrow down.So like just on a personal level?
No, like, Uh, well, no.Like, supervision-wise, or just, like, professionally?Like, in the press?Professionally.Um... So I was impressed with, I really enjoyed being able to see an actual Compassionate Inquiry session demonstrated.
I had applied to do that training and was accepted.
Can you talk about it real quick?What is Compassionate Inquiry?
Yeah, so that's Gabor Maté's. Modality and I applied a couple of years ago, got in, but it's very intensive, very intensive.And I just knew I did not have the capacity to do that yet.
So, instead, I did the sensory motor psychotherapy, which was also very intensive is 9 month training, but I wanted to do a body based training.And so that's why I did that.
So I never fully, like I have some Pesce-like trainings that are compassionate inquiry, but I didn't understand what they were doing.Like I knew his style, I just didn't know the premise of the modality.
And so being able to watch the session and then give us the kind of the context for some of the, of the modality itself, it became very clear and apparent why they take so long to train these practitioners, which I still say I'm going to do one day.
Um, so they use, you know, in trauma therapy, we're always looking to you to find a way to regulate the nervous system and to create a sense of safety.So an EMDR may be, you know, a container exercise or safe place.I like to use a healing place.
Um, so some form of resourcing.Well, in compassionate inquiry, they are using the relationship. as the vehicle, as the container.And so we know that the therapeutic relationship is the most powerful indicator of success in therapy.
We've always known that.But what compassionate inquiry does a little differently that I really like is part of why the training is as long as it is, is they're really focusing on the person of the therapist
Because if you don't have clarity, and I see this all the time, and I know you do too, if you can't clear your stuff, if you don't know when your stuff is there, when you don't know how it's showing up, when you don't know moment to moment, when it's shifting, then you are going to miss a tune to the person in front of you.
You're at risk of doing that.You're also at risk of speeding up the pacing or not catching a cue where you need to lean into something.So we're all at risk of that anyway.
What compassionate inquiry does is it works very diligently on the person of the therapist to be able to get really good and clear on. how they're showing up from moment to moment and how to work with that.
So they're using the relationship and almost modulating bilaterally from the upper to lower brain.So they're going to use curiosity, but then they're going to, and ask questions.
So they're going to come up into the narrative, but then they'll take them into their body to see how that feels, which is very similar to sensory motor in some ways.But then they also use more self-disclosure.
Um, and so I was able to watch a session and I could see the attunement and it was just beautiful.And I would see sometimes where she would speed the pacing up and then she would slow it down.So at the end, one of the questions I had was.
I wanted to know how she was determining whether or not how to move the pacing.Because a lot of modalities, the pacing is very scripted.This one is not.And so that can be very tricky.And so I had asked her, are you just going with your gut?
Because sometimes she would have a long pause before she would ask a question.Sometimes it was shorter.So I was trying to figure out how she was determining that.I said, is it just you clearing your energy space, making sure
You're really attuning before you move and she said yes, sometimes she said other times it would be just the eye contact.And I could just see that she's where she needs to be and I would just let it sit.
And I would be watching for a body movement, which is a sensory motor thing and then inquire about that.So. That to me was brilliant and I will take elements of that.
And I am definitely going to put up, put my people in supervision and dyads and have them practice just that skillset and then swap and notice the things coming up and give them different clients.
Because I think, you know, we won't call it compassionate inquiry, of course, but I think that. That's something we don't do.You know, we just say, well, where's your transfer?Is that transference?Is that counter-transference?
Are you, I do the triangle thing a lot.Are you in the triangle or are you outside the triangle?Like check the triangles.So I do the systems thing a lot, but I need to get them in their body.
Yeah.And I think that's really interesting.And I'd love to, I'd love to have some guests on to talk more about compassionate inquiry and also, you know, think about maybe existential and reality therapy and the idea of.
you know, really not, you know, the person as the person of the therapist, you know, really being a neutral person, you know, neutral being, because... To a point, but they want you to disclose and bring the experience.
So it's got a, it's got a gestalt element of here and now too, but you've got to know when that is and when not.So it's, it's really nuanced.And I'm like, no wonder this takes so long to
But that's also very hard as a supervisor to support because especially for a new clinician who really wants to jump in, who really is struggling with trying to figure out, am I supposed to be advice giving?
Am I supposed to be, you know, holding space?Am I supposed to be speaking or listening or how am I, what am I supposed to be doing versus how am I supposed to be doing?
And I think what I'd love to have, and I'd love to invite our listeners to give us suggestions for people that they know in this space, who are doing great work around this because I think this would be some great conversations to have.
When we had Chris Dusing a couple of weeks ago, he was talking about the existential kind of work of psychodynamic supervision and how, you know, thinking about that, like, you know, the opportunity that we have to, you know, to kind of fold space for our supervisees can be really challenging.
We're trying to kind of train them to understand how to use these different modalities in trauma work.So I think that's great.And I love that you had that experience.
So if you have any questions as an audience about Oxford, or you want to join us, please, we would love to have a cohort. of individuals with us in Oxford.
I'm not sure I'm going to be there next year, but I know that you are going to be there next year.I will be there every year they have it as long as I can.That sounds fantastic.
You're going to have an amazing time and I know that I will be there as often as I can as well, but Um, anyway, so we're, we're really excited about the opportunity and we really encourage everyone to be in the room.Absolutely.As often as possible.
And we'll certainly share more tidbits about the experience and, and, um, I'm sure that, um, Valerie will continue to share her, her, um, selfies of all of her, all of her, um, exciting, um, celebrity sightings while she was there.
And my European wardrobe that I was really proud of because That was another thing I found when I first went to Oxford.I tried to dress the part so I wouldn't look like I stood out too much.And I found that I loved it.
And I was like, oh my God, I'm supposed to dress this way the rest of my life.And I've done it ever since.
I just tried to stay warm and dry.That was my goal.
It's like a European Barbie.I was just down for it.
I was just warm and dry.So thanks again for joining us for Supervision Simplified today.We're excited to have you.And if you have any suggestions for us or if there's anything you'd like to hear from us, please let us know.
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