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Let's get right out the gate here.I am not Scott Patterson, okay? I'm sorry.My name is Easton.I am the sound engineer here on the I Am All In podcast.And I know you don't know my voice, but I have been here since the beginning.Okay.
My DNA is in every episode of this podcast.My blood, sweat, and tears go into every megabyte of this show.And I'm so excited to be in front of the microphone this time.We're doing something really cool here on this next era of the show.
This is something we're really, really excited about. We're going to be taking you beyond the pop culture references.Pop culture is such a big part of Gilmore Girls.We explore it in depth here on the podcast.
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Gilligan's Island, Tina Louise, she played Ginger Grant on Gilligan's Island.And if you haven't seen Gilligan's Island, what the heck is wrong with you?This is one of the most important and iconic television shows of all time.
And we're specifically talking to Tina Louise today because she is referenced in Gilmore Girls.She's referenced twice in Gilmore Girls.Let's go back to season three, episode 10, that'll do pig. Francie and Rory.
Francie is obviously the leader of the Puffs at Chilton.Francie and Rory are having a conversation and Francie says, you do not want to be my enemy, Marlo Thomas.And Rory says back, I think I do, Tina Louise.Francie, of course, has red hair.
Tina Louise known for her red hair, especially as Ginger Grant on on Gilligan's Island.One of the most iconic redheads of all time.She's referenced again in season seven, episode 16, Will You Be My Lorelei Gilmore.
Kirk says, you can be Ginger to lose Marianne. Yes, Tina Louise is an absolute icon.She has had an incredible career far beyond Gilligan's Island.And she is the last surviving cast member of Gilligan's Island.
And she was in every episode of all three seasons of the show.She was in a ton of movies.She was in the original Stepford Wives.She was in this movie called God's Little Acre that you absolutely have to watch.It's an incredible piece of film.
She has written a new book It's called Sunday, a memoir, and is about her life as a child, going through an incredibly tough experience at a boarding school.And we're going to talk to her all about that.We're going to talk about acting.
We're going to talk about relationships between mothers and daughters.We're going to talk about it all.And we are so excited to have Tina Louise here with us.Welcome.
Thank you so much.Your book, Sunday, A Memoir, it's out now.It's on Amazon and Audible.I've read this book.It is such a compelling story.Thank you so much for sharing it.I have a couple questions about that.
Now, you wrote the book from the perspective of yourself at age six years old, going to Ardsley School for Girls, and I found reading it, it really puts you in that mindset of a child that's going through these incredible challenges.
And that's what I talked about.Yeah.You captured that moment, I thought, so authentically.At that age, did you keep a journal or anything like that?
No, it's just that it all came flooding back to me, really, when my daughter was a similar age.Yeah.And six or seven or eight.No, not eight.That was kind of the end of it.But, you know, six and seven.
And just, I just felt at that point that I could just start to write about it because basically, I've been moving a very fast life.You know, in the beginning, I was just moved from place to place to place.
And then when I finally got on my own, which was, you know, after 18, then I started working.And when Caprice was born and at that particular point, it just brought into focus, you know, everything that really had happened to me.
And I just felt I had to tell this story.And I wanted to make, first I wanted to make, I thought of it as a movie, an absolute film.And I had this friend who was,
professional writer, and he said, no, no, no, it's a little book, Tina, it's a little book.And I said, well, I've never written a book.He said, well, I'm going to tell you how.You're going to
You're going to get a bunch of index cards, and everywhere you went, when you get a thought, you're going to write it down.And that's what I began to do.And he said, then later, you're going to put it together.
You put it in the order that you want, but you can't expect to get all these thoughts, like, right away, just sitting down.And so I did that, and it all started flooding back, and it became clearer than anything.
It became clearer than any other situation in my life in terms of living with my dad.When I finally got to him, there were things about there.I don't even remember going to school with him.
And yet all of these moments, this particular beginning, as I kept getting moved from place to place, about five different places before I went to the school, which was so ugly,
and so peculiar and so run down and kind of like a prison with all these little angry girls all put in this place.No, nobody wanted to be there.They should have been with their parents, but there we were.
And it became like a war, you know, then they start getting angry at each other. So it was a very unusual situation in that school.And that's what I wanted to film, but as I said, my friend wanted me to write it, and so I did.
And if I didn't write it, then it couldn't be a film.Now it could be a film.Of course.
There's a part in the book that really resonated with me where you talk about a classmate that was sharpening her pencil.
And she's taken forever.Yes.And you're like, are you done?And then she stabs you in the wrist with her pencil.Yes.
I had something similar happen to me where I was in second grade and a young boy ran through the line with a sharpened pencil and got me right there in the thumb.And you can still see the lead in there.
And my lead also, year after year after year, I could see that lead in my wrist. Yeah, I was just reading that, I was like, I have the same experience.When you look down at that wound, at that lead in your wrist, what would come to your mind?
Well, how angry we all were.
I mean, all of the children, they didn't want to be there.Where were their parents?Why were they there?Nobody knew.We were imprisoned.We were literally imprisoned.We were in a prison.
And the matrons were these two women, a Miss Taylor and Miss Murphy.And they were not very nice, you know.There were spiders when you were told you had to poo at a particular time.
And then when you're in the bathroom, when you close the door, there were webs of spiders and nobody ever cleaned them away.They just stayed there.And when you looked up, I guess they were your friends.They became your friends.
It's such a terrifying image that you described that so vividly, the spiders up on the ceiling.It wasn't their fault.Nobody cleaned them away.
They didn't have to be there.Nobody swept them away.They should have been free also.
Yes, yes.Yeah, they're imprisoned as well.How did your relationship with your mother, did that improve as you got older?How did that change?
Well, I didn't get to her until I was 11, you know, because I was with five different sets of people.And then finally I got with my dad.
And as you see, when I said, I hope I can stay here, I hope I can stay, I repeated it three times in the recording.And I realized just recently, that I really didn't want to leave there.I mean, I had cousins there.
It was the first family situation, even though it was a stepmother who wanted me to call her mother.And I didn't want to do that because I knew I had a mother out there.I knew she was out there.
The book is titled Sunday because that's when you were most likely to get visitors.
Yeah.And very rarely do they come.Yeah.How did that feel on Sunday morning when you were hoping that someone would come visit you? Not good.
Not good.I'm so impressed with your courage to share this story.This is something that affects a lot of children still all over the place.
Well, children need one person.You need one person to be there from the beginning.And when you don't have that, it just leaves you with a basic insecurity.There's just no other way.You can't get it back.
I felt I got a little bit of childhood back when I had Caprice, you know, which was so beautiful.And we had Easter egg hunts and we had, you know, I tried to make my home, cause I split up.
I was married and then I was split up, you know, when the pregnancy was, It's very unfortunate. The time, you know, I raised her alone and, you know, I tried to make, like Thanksgiving, everybody came to our house.
And Christmas, I had all the friends came over to our house.And I wanted it to be as good as I could make it, you know, for her.And I loved, you know, loved raising her.It was just incredible when she was born.
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This podcast is about Gilmore Girls, which as a show at its core is about the relationship between a mother and a daughter.And I know you're so close with Caprice, with your daughter, and I wanted to ask more about that.As you were raising her,
Considering what you had gone through as a child, how did that affect how you raised Caprice?
Well, I was there.We were living together and she was the most important person and she was somebody, when she was born, I knew for the first time what love was, that I knew that I really loved her and that I knew I'd take a bullet for her.
I'd stand in front of her and happily take a bullet for her. It sounds strange, but that's how I felt.I mean, I didn't really understand what love was, that you'd lay down your life, you know, for your child, you know, because I didn't have that.
I didn't have a mother and a father as a child, period. And that's why I wrote the book.So let's talk more about the book.
Of course, of course.When you're recording, you recorded the audiobook.Yes.How did that, as you're recording it, reading it back, did anything new come to the surface for you?Yes, I became very emotional.
I had two breakdowns in the middle of it.I was, I surprised myself, you know, with how deeply I felt and what was locked inside of me, because it was all locked inside of me, because
I was so busy being moved from place to place and then when I was with my father there was just a couple of years and then I was moved to my mother finally when I was 11 and it was just bizarre.
And then when I got to my mother, of course, she made it plain that there'll be no talking about the past.That didn't exist as far as she was concerned. So I had to hold it inside.
And also I was told that I had to, she made the call, and I had to tell my father I couldn't see him anymore.I mean, I was ordered to do that.Oh my goodness.And I never saw him again until I went to find him when I was 21.I never saw him again.
And you know, for all I know, why didn't he go to court?Didn't he have rights? Yeah.Why?Why did this all, why did all this happen?
And why was so much of it on you to, you know, it's tragic.
And so I held all of this, you know, and you try to, I put it aside.I mean, I did many pieces of work.I worked all over the world and I just moved.I lived in the present and I still believe in living in the present.
I tell everybody live in the present moment. That's what you've got.You never know what's going to happen next.You never know where you're going to be moved next.
That's great advice.When you finally were able to talk about it, you said that was when Caprice was around six years old?
Well, I didn't talk about it.
I wrote about it, of course.I didn't talk about it.Was writing, was that the first time you had really confronted what had happened to you?
What motivated that?Was it just seeing her piece of that age?
Just her.She motivated it.Because I was the person that was with her, but nobody was with me.You see?
If, not if, when this is made into a film, do you have any, like, have you thought about what kind of film it would be?
Yes, it would be.There's many things that are not in the book, and that's when it was, because it was during World War II.So there were only radios.There was no television.There were no computers.
It was World War II when the Nazis had risen to power.Yeah, there's a lot going on in that movie that, you know, it's not in the book because these were just the child's thoughts.But the movie is World War II.
And so the people, the parents, everybody was going through something else. You know, an 18-year-old had a daughter.You know, children shouldn't be, teenagers shouldn't be having children.
You know, but she was, her father said, get married.You have to get married because her mother had died when she was three years old.
So he wanted to find a place for her, someone to replace him very quickly.You know, he thought he was doing the best thing.It was not the best thing, no way.No.
But she struck out and I understood as an, I understand as more as an adult, her whole life was in front of her.What was she supposed to do?I mean, where was she supposed, what was she supposed to do with this baby?
you know, is frightening for her as well.
Yeah, yeah.And that's something you talk about in the foreword of this book is the importance of, as you say, children shouldn't be having children.
No.And that's why I work with children now.That's why I go to the public school and tutor reading. You know, because nobody ever read to me.
And as I said to my grandchild, Kingston, when he was making noise one night, I said, Kingston, nobody ever read to me.Do you know that?And he said, Mommy, quick, read Yaya a book.And she read me a book.
And that was the first time that anybody ever read to me.So I love, you know, helping the children to read because I love to read, love to read.And it's very important to know how to read.
And I can give back in that way.So I love to go to school and I love to tutor them and to help them.Right now I have children that can't even speak English that have come into the country.I didn't have that before.
Because I started reading to children in 1996.
I'm so impressed with your passion for literacy and helping children read because it's such an incredible power to be able to escape and to learn so much and to be able to experience another person's life.
It's so important to me.I can't really put it into words what it means to me because of everything that I went through and the fact that nobody ever read to me. and that I can help a child to learn to read, because I love to read myself.
I love to read, but no mother or father read to me.I could cry, you know, thinking about it, you know.It breaks my heart.It's such a big deal to read to a child.Yes.I love to read to the children.I read three books yesterday to Kingston.It was fun.
What books did you read to Kingston?
Oh, whatever they had in their house.I have tons of books in mine, but they don't come to New York as much as I've been there.I am a New Yorker and I do love New York because I was born in that area.
Caprice, on the other hand, was born in California.That's where we lived when she was born.So she went her way back to California.
Tina Louise is here with us.The book is Sunday A Memoir.I have so much more to talk to you about.We're going to take a really quick break.Please stick around with us.We'll be back in one second.
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And that was a passion for you.
Well, that's interesting.I had learned some kind of a little thing there.It was called thuvy.You had to lisp.Thuvy? And I learned it there.And if you can believe, they were opening the canteen in the high school.
I lived, you know, I only lived with my mother for two years and then I was sent away again.But I liked the high school.It was a progressive educational school.And they had a canteen and they say, can anybody do anything?
We need people to do something.We were going to open the canteen.And I said, well, I know this ridiculous little episode.It's called Thuvi.And so I performed it, you know, this little thing.And, um, And it seemed to be a hit.I made friends.
And I realized you can make friends when you perform something.So that was the first thing that I did.And that was that.And then what happened?I don't know.How would I get into this?Oh, then in that high school, I would just be in the plays.
And I thought nothing more than any other child that was in the play We had a wonderful teacher.In fact, he gave me my middle name.I said, Mr. Sam, I don't have a middle name and we're graduating.Everybody has a middle name.
You're going to be Tina Louise.And I had at that time, I had whatever the last name was of the man that was married to my mother at that time.And so I participated in those plays and I thought no more about it than that.
And then my mother had taken me when I was 15 to a resort, and I met this young man.And so I think I was going to go to Miami U to college.But she took me to a play, and my friend was in the play.
And everybody in the play was 17, and so was I. And we went backstage, and I saw my friend. And I thought, wow, this is so great.
You know, and he, he was just an adorable boy and all the kids and they all had that makeup on, you know, and I was very striking.And then I went to the first six months of the college, Miami U, and I didn't like the acting class there.
And I thought, I want to go to acting class.And I, I told my mother, I don't want to go back to this place because I decided I want to study acting all day long.
And so she found a place and she asked her friends and she put me at the neighborhood playhouse where Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward, and you studied all day long.And she put me in a place that was the Barbizon for girls and no men were allowed.
And so that's what I did.And that was the beginning.
I mean, the beginning of just such an iconic career.I mean, you studied with Lee Strasberg.
Yes, I did get around to that.That was even after I started my career.
That was after I did God's Laker.
Yeah.And that was amazing.And he was the main teacher of my life.
Yeah.What would you say is the most important lesson you learned from him about the craft of acting?
to relax and be yourself.I think I finally learned how.I think I finally learned how.
I love it.If I may, I have one Gilligan's Island question.What?An episode that I love is called All About Ava.You play two roles in that episode.Yes.Was that a challenge?What was that like?
Well, you know, I have one side of my face that photographs a little bit differently than the other.So that was easy in terms of photographic, you know, and they were just two different characters.You know, one wanted to be the other person.
So, um, I played both of them, you know, I just did it.I don't remember what tricks I had to do that at that time in particular, except, you know, photographically, I photographed differently.And she wasn't me, I was me.
I was Ginger, the character, and she was somebody else who, you know, and I don't remember it too well.
You know, if anyone's listening, I highly recommend going back and watching that episode.It's really an incredible performance from you.
I always tried to do my best.That's all I can say.
Well, you stand out in every Gilligan's Island episode, especially All That Ava.That's from season three.So again, this podcast is mostly about Gilmore Girls, the show Gilmore Girls.In that show, there's a number of references to you, to Ginger.
I didn't know that.I had no idea.You're the first person who told me that.
Nobody ever told me that.
I didn't know about that.
Wow.There's a redheaded character and they say, okay, Tina Louise, like that kind of thing.
Wow. Um, I mean, how does it feel to you?You are referenced constantly though, and all kinds of shows.
I've been told I was an icon.Yes.I've been told.Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm shouting it from the rooftops.How, I mean, looking back, how does that feel to have held that place in popular culture?
I like it.I have a lot of friends.I like it.And a lot of people write to me and I really appreciate it.
That's incredible.Which of your roles, if you can, was the most memorable, the one you look back on the most?
That's very easy.Yeah.It's my first film.Yeah.Because I just identified with it.It was so real.It was the most real film that I did.And I had a wonderful director, a wonderful group of people, actors that I worked with.
The characters, you know, it was a book, it was Erskine Caldwell's book. It's Gods of the Lakers.Yeah, Gods of the Lakers.And each character was so clear.And it was just so wonderful to be a part of that.
And that film went into the Venice Film Festival.And that was an amazing experience for me to go to be invited there and to go to, let's see, I didn't go to Rome.It was in Venice.Yeah. on the Lido and we stayed in this amazing hotel.
It was such an experience and they gave me two dozen red roses and the light went on.I said, oh my goodness, you should be giving this to the director of this film or the writer of this film.And I just was overwhelmed with this kind of attention.
Imagine that little girl that nobody paid attention to was in Venice.Wow.How'd she get there and all that light on her? when nobody really cared about her.
I know.Reading your book, I think about that.So that was so present in my mind as I'm like, here's this, this little girl that was going through such a difficult experience being, you know, feeling so unsafe, feeling like she had no one to rely on.
And then you become this incredible person.
It was an overwhelming experience to be at that film festival.Let me tell you, yeah, it was really something.And I got to go to Rome, which I had always wanted to go to.
I had a lot of friends that were Italian in New York, and I always wanted to go back there, and I did.I did go back there, and I worked there.
But that was the most important film that I ever did.
Again, I mean, everyone listening, you really should watch God's Lake or Buddy Hackett is in the movie.
And Aldo Ray was so incredible.
Yeah, just all stars, all stars.I do want to say lastly, I listened to your album, It's Time for Tina.Incredible.I love that album so much.
And I didn't know that you had recorded it until just a few months ago.Oh.And it's an amazing work.Thank you.And I just want you to know, your version of It's a Long, Long Time, it's been a long, long time. It's really going viral, might be the term.
Everyone's discovering that version of it, and it's really exciting to see it kind of come back.
Yeah, that was a wonderful experience.I was just 19 when I did it, and I don't know if I understood everything I was singing about.I know my tone was good.I did study singing, but I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
Yeah.I was going to ask if music was a passion for you as well.
Well, I loved singing.Yeah.I loved studying.I used to go to dance class and had my singing lessons and whatever. I had many teachers, well at least a few, before I met Lee Strasberg, the master.
We used to sit on the edge of our seats to listen to Lee and his critique of the different scenes.And I was allowed into the actor's studio before I became a member.And it was his wife, his first wife, who said to me one day,
You have to become a member of the studio.You have to try out.I said, oh no, Paul, I don't want to.I just want to study with Lee.I really don't want to do that.Well, you have to.You just have to.
And I thought, well, if she said I have to, then I have to try out.She also said something to me that I understand now, which I'll never forget.She said, she told me one day after in the class, Tina, what are you afraid of?And I didn't know.
I didn't know, but now I know.
Tina Louise, thank you so much for joining us on I Am All In.Everyone, Sunday, A Memoir.It's her book.It is out now.It's on Audible.It's on Amazon.You can get it anywhere.
I highly recommend you all read it and go watch everything Tina Louise has been in.She's incredible.This has been so much fun.Thank you for coming by.
Thank you so much for listening.
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