Hello, everybody.Welcome back to another episode of the Safety Time podcast, where no matter if it's Eastern Time, Western Time, or Pacific Time, it'll always be Santee Time.
Today, I have returning guest, Nathan Spencer, who was on Santee Time to discuss the top five movies from 2023.So, ladies and gentlemen, here's Nathan.How's it going?
It's going good, man.How about you?How are you doing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.I'm doing great. Great to have you back, man.How's it been going?
Man, it's been going well.Super busy with work and stuff like that as things go.But seen a lot of movies as much as I can.Battling this cold right now.So I apologize for my voice.But yeah.
Yeah, that's great, man. And speaking of movies, and so today's episode is going to be a discussion on I Saw the TV Glow.
Yeah.Yeah, because again, it's mainly because we both, you know, like we both saw it when it was like, When it came out in selected theaters, we both thought it was amazing.So we thought, hey, why not?Let's talk about it.So, yeah, man.
And also, but before we do, just a couple of things to get out of the way.This is not really, so like usually before a Santee's Time discussion, there's usually some
there's usually some news to be discussed and uh it's not really news just like a couple of things that have happened recently uh so this year's cons film festival happened and jason i want to like get your input on on yeah on how on how cons when on how cons went how these uh how these films have been received from
from a lot of people who went, mainly notable film reviewers have gone and saw the movie there.So what do you think?
Yeah, yeah.There's a lot of stuff Planet Can and the films that I'm most excited about, I guess I'll just start there.Yeah, sure.Megalopolis, Francis Ford Coppola, O'Canada, Paul Schrader, Shrouds, David Cronenberg.
So much going on, Nora, Sean Baker, those were probably the four going in that I was most anticipating anyways, just regardless of them, like of the reactions there.
The Megalopolis reaction obviously got a lot of coverage because it's so expensive, because you can't find distribution because of how expensive it is.And we've been hearing for a while that it's really weird.
It's out there and people don't think that anybody will pay to see it.Based on the reactions, I feel like studios were probably right that general audiences won't care at all about this.
My opinion is that just means I'm so much more excited to see it than I was before.
I don't know about you.It just makes me more curious to see like what Francis made that, like what, And it just makes me wonder more about why exactly he sold his winery to make this movie, you know?
Yeah, yeah.I think he's an artist and he has a worldview.
he wants to share he has feelings he wants to share it's that's like I sound pretentious saying it but it's yeah he's such a political filmmaker he's such an expressionist filmmaker and especially when he made the shift to digital in his ladder the latter half of his career he's increasingly got more expressionistic I mean honestly the trailer to me
reminded me a lot of One from the Heart.I don't know if you've seen that, his notorious self-funded bomb.Yeah, so that movie cost I think $20 million and it made $600,000.Really?Yeah, so it bankrupted him.Bankrupted American Zoetropist Studio.
It's a gorgeous movie.It's incredible. film, I would highly recommend it.But it's also when I'm watching it, I'm like, yeah, this probably shouldn't have cost $20 million.But at the same time, I'm glad it did because it looks like it does.
And we are able to see it and we're able to have it.So I feel like I'm going to feel similarly about Megalopolis, even if it's not an out and out five star masterpiece, it's going to be so interesting to see someone of this stature working with
I mean one hundred twenty million dollars for a couple of films is very exciting to me.I don't know about you.Yeah.
Yeah.I'm more of a Sophia guy myself.But OK. But yeah, I'm always excited.
But I'm always excited for like a Francis Coppola movie, you know, like for a guy who's like near 80 years old, like, like, it's a miracle that he even like made it to begin with.
And, and as far as like those movies that you mentioned that you're excited for, I'm also excited about those.
And I'm going to throw in The Substance from Coralie Poitier, which is a body horror starring Demi Moore and Margaret Qualley, which I'm really excited for.Because her other movie, Revenge, kicks absolute ass.I'm telling you.
It's fantastic.Oh, yeah.Revenge is awesome.I love that film.Yeah.
And I don't know what, and this movie called The Seed of the Sacred Fig or something, it was made by the Iranian filmmaker that was to be sentenced for eight years, but then left the country.Like, you know what I'm talking about, right?
Yeah, yeah.I'd heard of that.It just kind of stuck in my mind when thinking of these films, but I mean, just about everything that I saw people, posting about looked interesting.
There's an Indian film that also won a prize and was it the Grand Prix that it won?
I'm trying to remember the name of it.Let me look it up right now.Live Googling.24 awards.Magic.Yeah. Thanks, Google, for being an AI search engine now.
Why does the UI look so weird?Like, I don't know.
Oh my goodness, load please.Oh, all we imagine is light, that's it.
Oh my God, yes, that one.
That one, I wanna see that.
Yeah, yeah, me too.And I'm also gonna throw in, and I'm also excited for Andrea Arnold's Bird, which starts with Keoghan, Barry Keoghan wearing a bunch of tattoos on his body.Like, hell yeah, dude, give me that.Now I'm excited.
Yeah, I mean, it's just, to me, it's just a very interesting lineup. All these films, a lot, I mean, just all the main ones in competition look interesting to various degrees.Sean Baker winning the Palm is just very exciting.
I love Sean Baker.This is like, this is kind of like how, this is very much like how like a lot of people are gonna notice who Sean Baker is because of it.
And this is how like the zone of interest, like this is how the zone of interest, like, you know, like got a lot of people talking.
And it brought Jonathan... Glazer.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Jonathan Glazer in the limelight and all that.And how Jonathan Glazer got a lot of awards recognition and Sean Baker is going to get a lot of awards recognition.
I predict it's going to be a best picture, best director and best original screenplay type of thing.
I was about to shift to that.
It's a weak year for award season movies, like the stereotypical awards, not awards bait in a bad way, but just like you look at the slate, nothing really stands out as obvious other than Dune Part Two, which is obviously going to get a ton of nominations just because of the size and scope of it.
Maybe, but it's like besides that one, sure, there's New Yorgos movies and he's an Academy darling, so he'll probably receive some awards. a a a a a a Neon is just, is eating A24's lunch.
This year, I think, personally.It's almost embarrassing.Yeah, no crumbs.No crumbs left.
Yeah, exactly.So how do you, how do you think?So, another question.So, we're not going to talk about cons too long, but how do you think the shrouds is going to turn out?
I'm very interested.Late period Cronenberg, I need to get more into it.I've been slowly working my way through a lot of his films.Crimes of the Future, I was not ready for when I saw it.It's weird.
My taste is changing a lot over time and I'm just kind of seeing it in real time.And seeing that in theaters just two years ago, one, I was very tired and so that I actually fell asleep at one point, which is slightly embarrassing.
I hate that that rarely happens.It was a long day.So that impacted my viewing, and I haven't gone back to it yet.A lot of people herald that as a slept on masterpiece, and so I need to revisit.
But I mean, I love Cronenberg, Eastern Promises, I adore quite a bit. with Vigo and then this one the premise looks very interesting and David Ehrlich's review for IndieWire was very selling.I was like I want to see this now.
Did you see the video of like David Kronenberg like calling a critic a moron or something at a press conference?
No, I didn't, but he's a king for that.Yeah.
Yeah.He's like, he's such a king for that, honestly.Yeah.
As someone who writes about movies in his free time, you know, it's fine.Call, call critics morons.They need to be humbled because we're not the artists.We're not the artists, um, making art.So that's fine.
And especially when you're David Cronenberg, you, you've accomplished quite a lot.
Yeah.Yeah.So, and, So yeah, and that concludes our cons discussion.The next thing that I want to talk about is, what's the next thing on the docket?Oh, so we both saw Furiosa.We thought it was amazing, right?
Yeah, yeah, I really, I really enjoyed it.As like, as someone who's been a Mad Max enjoyer recently, I loved it really like it's a, it's a four point, it's between a 4.5 and a five star for me like, just Anya Taylor is incredible, Chris Hemsworth,
Like, I don't need to say it.Like, he, he steals the whole fucking show.Like, Jesus.Yeah.Like.Yeah.And he does.He's just playing villains, man.I'm telling you, like.Yeah.
Yeah.He's got, he's got that sarcastic motor mouth edge to him.And you can almost tell that he's just really itching to break out of the chiseled action bro hero and a
The fact that in a Furiosa movie, Chris Hemsworth feels like the center is a bit of an issue, not much.Obviously, I still gave it a four.I really liked it.
The visuals, which I initially had a lot of issues with, because I kind of low-key made the mistake of watching Fury Road immediately before Furiosa.So it almost set my expectations too high right before going in.
But the visuals of that, I keep warming up to them actually.I keep going back to it and they feel the digital almost painterly look to them.There's a gauze and glaze on it that isn't there in Fury Road that's really sharp and visceral.
feels very intentional, almost like the Star Wars prequels, where there's a very distinct look to them intentionally, because it's like, you know, again, an artist making a choice with how it's supposed to look.
And anyways, I could go on a rant about- Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the way I look at it is that George Fuller was basically, like, he was using, like, the tools that he had to, like, make Furiosa, like he wanted to, like,
Like you could tell that he really tried to work his way around visual effects to craft what he wanted to make and to craft the proper follow-up to Freeway Road that he desperately wanted to put out.
And you still get an amazing revenge story with this character who has been through so much.
And you're rooting for her to achieve her dream, to go back, you know, and for her to work her way to go back to her home, which obviously as you've seen in Fury Road, the green place is gone.And when you watch Fury Road,
with the mindset of what you had with Fury Road.So like, it's more devastating.
And the ending of Fury Road hits so goddamn harder because like now that like, because like now that Immortan Joe is gone, she can like, she could like lead her like own utopia in a way.
And also, it's such a shame that Fury... I mean, we've discussed this through DMs, but it's so crazy that Furiosa is not doing well at the box office.What are people doing? What is happening to the box office right now?
It happened with the Fall Guy, which, I mean, I didn't expect the Fall Guy to be amazing or anything.I mean, it was made by somebody like David Leitch after all, but Fiona Rosa from the legend George Miller, not doing well at the box office?
Yeah, it's an interesting thing.And I think it's more of a symptom of the issues with film production right now and how expensive movies are.
something like the Fall Guys should not have cost close to $200 million to make, you know, like it just shouldn't have cost that.I'm not saying that the movie shouldn't have been a big budget movie, but there's so much digital VFX in that movie.
And I'm not an expert.I don't know how cost balloon so high, but I'm like, the Fall Guy does not look like 200 million, $150 million movie.This doesn't, it doesn't look like that.And so the fact that it,
only is going to make like whatever 150 globally or 200 globally it's going to be considered a flop when if the movie had cost 50 million dollars it probably would have made about the same amount and then it would have been a hit you know like the the mid-tier margin for movies these days is kind of gone or the mid-tier market and same thing with Furiosa too honestly like it's a very excuse me it's very
weird movie made by an auteur who is in the end of his career and he's got a lot of ideas.It's very painterly.It's very expressionistic.It doesn't look like your stereotypical action movie.
And so like some mainstream audiences will understandably be put off by that.The movie also costs $150 million when the previous movie didn't even make that domestically.So I feel like Now, I'm very happy that George Miller got that budget.
I want every filmmaker of George Miller's stature to get unlimited money so they can make amazing stuff with total creative freedom.
But I do think it kind of set it up for failure, because I don't think there was a way for that movie to make that back.Because Fury Road, I mean, we talked about it a bit in DMs, too.
Fury Road is this huge cultural thing and film going like it's just classic.It's a modern classic.It's one of the best films ever.I think that's not even really up for debate much at this point.
But it was a minor hit, you know, it made under $400 million globally, where it made a lot of money.On top of that was the home video market and VOD.
which now is making the box office even more important because that part has changed a lot too since Fury Road, where less people are buying films and stuff like that.So I'm with you, the box office is frustrating.
But I just, I also think movies should cost less.
And also like part of it too.
And also what's crazy is that I had like the notion that like, cause if you think about it, Furiosa came out Memorial Day weekend, right?What are people doing on Memorial Day weekend?Going to the beach, hanging out with their family.
And they wouldn't really have time to like go to the movies.But then by that logic, Top Gun Maverick had a successful Memorial Day weekend, you know?
It's again, it's kind of like, all right, well, Top Gun cruised, you're getting all the dads, you're getting the, you know, cross generations interested.
I guess technically, you'd be like, well, that's also Mad Max, because, you know, that started in the 70s, Bill Gibson. But it's always been a niche franchise, whereas, you know, it's not Tom Cruise and Top Gun.It is frustrating.
I'm not downplaying it.I just do think my frustration also stems from the movie, like the studios using this as evidence that the actual movie going is dying.Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Who released the movie and is probably actually kind of happy that it didn't do well, because they're like, well, this is why we don't give people like George Miller all this money.
when it's not really that that's not the problem but anyways yeah yeah and like one more thing like one more thing like before we Yeah, one more thing before we move on to the movie that we're going to talk about.
So like also like another thing that a lot of people don't know is that Fury Road like also wasn't really a success as well.Like I think it made under like 100 million dollars at the box office.Right.
And if you think about it, like not a lot of people would even really be interested in a movie that came out like 30 years after Thunderdome.Right.Which Thunderdome came out in 1985.
And Fury Road came out in 2015, so there's a bit of a 30-year gap there.It's interesting to look at that, but also really sad that Fury wasn't really
like it didn't really actually turn out that well financially, but hopefully by award season with how Fury Road, like winning like seven Academy Awards, like a bunch of them being technical awards.So like, who knows really?
Yeah.We'll see.I think, I think Dune's gonna sweep the technical awards this year, but I do think Curioso will get some nominations for sure.
Yeah, man.Yeah, man.Okay.So now let's talk about, I saw the TV glow.
Yeah, shifting gears from $100 million production to a movie that costed like probably $100,000.
Yeah, so I Saw the TV Glow is the sophomore feature of Jane Chambron.And it came out at Sundance this year in January 2023 with a lot of critical praise.And when I saw that this movie was doing well, I was excited, you know, like a 3A
Like three of my friends, like, you know, really liked it when they, when they went to Sundance, one of them being, like one of them being a shout out to Cindy Volpe.She really loved it.It's her favorite of the year.So that got me super excited.
And, and And it also like got me to thinking about revisiting We're All Going to the World's Fair, which I didn't really like it at first.And I gave it a revisit before I saw the movie.And I actually really love it.
You know, World's Fair is actually pretty good.And yeah, like I want to like get your thoughts on on on Jane Shelburne as well.
But like but like the way that they like have been making movies lately is like they've been speaking a lot about our own personal experiences with like the Internet, like whether it's the Internet with television and like they're really speaking to a lot of Gen Z audiences right now.
And I think that's really beautiful and powerful, honestly.So so back.So back to you, Nathan, what was your so like So tell me about your journey through Jade Shumbrone.You know, like how did you?
Yeah, yeah.So I'm, I'm late to their filmography.I did not see, um, we're all going to the world's fair until a couple of days before I saw, I saw the TV glow.Um, similar to you.I, it was put on my radar from the Sundance buzz.
I'm seeing positive reviews for it on there.I intentionally stayed, once I saw one review, I can't remember who published it, that touched on the subject matter.
And then once I saw that, I knew that this was going to be a really personal experience for me because of my experiences growing up.And so I stayed away from reading a lot about it.
I bought the we're all going to the World's Fair Blu-ray from Vinegar Syndrome and shout out to them.They're releasing great stuff.Everyone should pick that up.
But I watched it and it knocked me out even though I don't think it is an out and out masterpiece or even like a quote unquote great film.It was just so
It so acutely captured the weirdness of the late millennial, early Gen Z, raised on screens experience.And especially the early YouTube days when YouTube was now popular.
So I'm thinking like 2007, 2008, like in my brain, this is where, what it went to. And there's a lot more stuff on YouTube.
People know what YouTube is, but there's not really much monitoring of it from parents because parents are kind of unaware of what could be on there.YouTube is not as strict on copyright.And so movies are on there.
Really weird, violent stuff is just on there.
and the journey of the character, and we're all going to the World's Fair, and like that creepypasta experience, that resonated with me a lot, especially like when I, I remember one time I stumbled on a video of the secret storyline of World at War Call of Duty Zombies, and I think I was like 10,
And I went down that rabbit hole and it created an obsession with that game all the way through, honestly, undergrad and college.
It wasn't until a couple of years ago that I totally, not totally cut it off, but I just don't really play games too much anymore.But yeah, to wrap that up, that got me excited before I saw the TV glow, because the budget was higher, 10 million.
The trailer looked great.The soundtrack looked great.And so it seemed like James was gonna be building on all this groundwork that they laid in that film.And yeah, I was right.It rocked.It was fantastic.
What was your first takeaway when you first saw it?
Okay, so... So like I saw it twice when uh when I was in I saw it twice and uh in the city because I didn't really because like I don't really own a car.Yeah.It's like you can't you can't really go anywhere on Long Island without a car anyway.
So so I took so I basically took the L.A.and the subway to the city just to see.I saw the TV because I would go.Yeah.I was that excited to.Yeah.
Yeah.And like first I went to
And first I went to Williamsburg cinema, you know, like, like shout out to the people who whoever like live in New York City, like support your local theaters like support your local theaters that are outside of your AMC and regal balloon, and like,
and support other theaters, like you're gonna need it.Like they have really nice indie theater.
If you are lucky, and that's truth, man.If you are lucky enough to have an independent cinema in your city, which by the way, it's not, and it sucks because we rarely get, I'm surprised we got, I saw the TV Globe, to be honest.
We got it for four days or maybe five.But yeah, if you have an independent theater, support that.
And yeah, again, I saw it at Williamsburg Cinemas, and as soon as the movie started, I was glued to the screen.I was really entranced by its purple aesthetic.I was really captivated by these two main characters.
And the subject matter, it really spoke to me as a person who grew up watching what they weren't supposed to be watching at a pretty young age.Can relate to that.Yeah, yeah.
And this is coming from someone whose mom didn't like the fact that her son was watching Cartoon Network all the time.So there's that.
Oh, fellow Cartoon Networker.There we go.
Yeah, well, I know we're going to get to, after we discuss the movie for a little bit, get to childhood TV shows, mostly from that network.
Yeah, I'm mad.So anyway, and I was also sold on who the cast was, Justice Smith and Richard, Bundy, Page, like, oh, okay, these are two Gen Z actors I like, cool.
And also when I was watching the movie, I adored those three cameos that we'll get into in a bit.If I were to compare the ending of I Saw the TV Glow, it's very much like how I felt
It's very much like how Hereditary ended, in which it knocks you completely on your ass.
It happens unexpectedly, and you're left feeling like you had a pit in your stomach, and it felt like you had a pit in your stomach, thinking like, wow, what did I watch?
Yeah.And it just leaves you so speechless.Like, wow.And then after the theater, the more I thought about it, Like, like it's genuinely a masterpiece.It's an easy five star for me.
And it's such a shame that like, and for some people, like not a lot of people like really understand the ending.
Surprisingly, and surprisingly, like, like, at least five other people that I've encountered on either Letterboxd or Twitter, like don't really like the movie.And This is what I want to like get into in a bit so.
Obviously I saw the TV glow is a positively received movie.But.
But for anyone who wanted a narrative coming-of-age style horror, like an existential horror movie, not a lot were satisfied that it lacked a narrative, which I think it does have a narrative.
And I think the ending makes sense if you were watching the movie, right?Because I don't want to sound pretentious or anything, but if you If you understood what you're watching then you'd get it.
I think it's less about not getting it and then just as a matter of not... experiencing much, almost like dreamscape cinema.Surrealist, that's the word I'm looking for.Surrealist cinema, non-linear storytelling.It's very Lynchian.
Oh yeah, dude, very Lynchian.Yeah.
They've said how the Return is a huge influence, Twin Peaks Return is a huge influence on the film and as a massive Dave Lynch fan and as a massive Twin Peaks fan, I caught a lot of those references on first time on my one watch of the film.
I want to see it again really bad. Yeah, I just think it's just a matter of that type of filmmaking being even less common in a theater going experience these days.
And like we even said, the only places typically playing these types of films are the art house cinemas and there are just less and less of those.
And so like maybe five years or not five years ago, maybe 10 years ago, it'd be easier to go catch a rep screening of a David Lynch film.Now, good luck, you know, finding those happening with any type of frequency.
So I think audiences just aren't prepped with the vernacular to process it, the general audiences.
Yeah, and if you ask me, I wasn't ready for what I was going to watch with We're All Going to the World's Fair.Because the stupid man that I was two years ago, I basically said it was boring, that I didn't know what was happening.
that like, this looks pretty weird, blah, blah, blah.But then I came around to it and I appreciate it more now.I knew what it was going to say and yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think it could serve a lot as kind of a gateway drug to this type of filmmaking as well.Everyone has to watch their first movie their first surrealist movie.
At some point, you watch it.Yeah.You watched it.Oh, wow.That's that's one heck of a starting point.Mine was Blue Velvet, but.
Oh, OK.Blue Velvet, too.Yeah.Like any any Lynch film.Well, not any.Yeah.I mean, it's like early Lynch.Yeah.
Yeah.And then, I mean, you know, even besides Lynch, too, like we talked about Cronenberg earlier, like especially a lot of this stuff has those elements.Yeah.I mean, I lost my train of thought with that.But yeah.
Yeah, yeah.Basically, basically, in my first review, I called I saw the TV glow, if Videodrome was made by David Lynch.So there you go.
Wow.Okay.Yeah.I love I love that call.Because there is even a shot in the film where there's a TV that has exploded and caught on fire.It's melting.
And it's both like at the start of Twin Peaks if I walk with me when the TV is smashed with a hammer, that someone was being murdered, and then also Videodrome, obviously, with the TV in that film.
It looks similar to that.Yeah.
Which like really, also like really upsetting scene, by the way, you know? Like how Owen has the head in the TV, Fred Durst is pulling him out, like, yeah.
Yeah, no, Fred Durst also, underrated, underrated aspect of the film.I didn't even realize that was him throughout.
It said Fred Durst, I was like, did he play the dad?
Yeah, yeah.And that's what I'm going to mention, like right now, because like like I've said before, the movie has like three cameos, right?Or was it three?So.
So like we have Fred Durst of Lincoln, of of Limp Bizkit, which which I hate in real life, and he plays like the resentful dad really well.
So and yeah, it's funny.He's he's like a huge cinephile, which I listened to an interview with James Cronenberg and
they were talking, it's like, yeah, from the first meeting, we just started bouncing movies off each other, and it was like, yeah, okay, Fred, okay.And yeah, he's like a huge cinephile, and apparently Jane Schoenbrun, how do you say their last name?
I think I mispronounced it.
Schoenbrun, yeah, my bad.Jane Schoenbrun, apparently they were a huge fan of Limp Bizkit growing up, and so it was both, cool to have him in the film, which is so clearly about their coming of age experience.
But then also, you know, it represents a very aggressive form of masculinity and which kind of gets to the themes of film, which is
which is obviously a massive trans allegory, you know, for the film, seeing yourself expressed through media and just, you know, having this very aggressive masculine ideal raise you and essentially keep you imprisoned in your own house where you don't feel comfortable in your life in any way, except when you're watching the show.
which his delivery of, isn't that a girl's show, or isn't that a show for girls?
Yeah, isn't that a show for girls?
Yeah, it was good.It was a great cast and it's almost less of a cameo and more of a supporting part, but he has so few lines.He has so few lines, it almost is like a cameo.
Yeah, yeah.And also like when he's like sitting on the couch, like in the corner, man.Oh, man.That's scary.Yeah.That's an image I'll never leave.
But it's like it's kind of like a Toni Collette, like, like decapitating herself in the attic and hereditary.Like, yeah.Yeah.Yeah.This is my second, like, hereditary comparison, by the way.
Yeah, really.Yeah, you're really great film.I need to revisit it.I haven't seen it in years.
Yeah, that's one not to get on the rabbit hole of that film, but I I miss that in theaters.So, yeah, I wasn't big for like I had to watch it like on my phone.
Yeah, I wasn't big into horror back then, and I didn't catch it, I think, until 2022, maybe.I think is when I saw it.Yeah. In prep for Bo's Afraid, I want to say.Yeah, yeah, Bo's Afraid.
It might have been earlier, I might be misremembering, but I think it was in prep for that.
Yeah, yeah, cool, man.So anyways, so we got Fred Durst, and the mom of Owen's former friend is Tara from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.Fun fact.
Really?Yes.That's cool.I've I've never seen that show.Now, I'm obviously very I was very aware of it growing up, but I was.
Yeah, Tara is like the girlfriend of Willow, who's played by what's her fucking name?I don't know.You know what I'm talking about?
I mean, Sarah Michelle Gellar.
No, I mean, I know who plays Buffy.OK, I mean, I mean, I mean, I wish Buffy was a lesbian, you know, like.OK. Come on, Joss, why didn't you make everybody gay?Whatever.
Yeah.Well, unfortunately, Josh sucks.
I I obviously.OK, Allison.Yeah.Allison Hannigan, who played Willow.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.I know.I'm a friend who who got unceremoniously killed off.
That's tough.Yeah.I miss that on Buffy.I miss that on Buffy.I had friends who watched it growing up, but I was never. never allowed to, so.
Oh, yeah, yeah.That's gonna yeah, you were never allowed to watch Buffy.So that that that also like sticks to the theme of the show, you know, like like parents like disapproving of what we watch.Yeah.
Yeah.And it's it's part of what kind of drew me into the film.And it's the tone that Jane nails so well. is the allure of media that you're not allowed to watch, or it comes on just too late, you know, comes on past your bedtime.
There is an excitement, no matter how good it is, that kind of captures your imagination.I definitely had friends who I just, you know, I mentioned some watch Buffy, but like they were friends that I actually didn't like, that I would
hang out with intentionally because they had a video game, or they had access to a show, or they listened to music that I wasn't allowed to listen to.
And I would ask to go hang out with them because I could then experience those things at that person's house, which it honestly like is a main plot point of the film.
So that was almost- Yeah, yeah, all of it came out of Maddie's house just to watch the pink opaque.
that felt so singular to myself, because I'd never seen it captured in other media before, that it actually took a while for me to really process my full thoughts in the film, because I was like, wow, okay, late 90s, early 2000s setting in the suburbs.
Yup, I can relate to that.And then like the pink opaque itself, which one, what a good name for a show.
Pink opaque.Like, I'm like, I would have totally watched that if it was on when I was a kid.
But like the really- There's actually something like the pink opaque.It's called Are You Afraid of the Dark?
Afraid of the Dark, exactly.Yeah, I was gonna mention that.But yeah, like the really shitty look of it.It's so unique to that era of TV where instantly I'm like that feeling on that box TV of a show that looks like that, is what I watched.
Growing up, all these Disney Channel shows, the early ones especially, had that look.Movies like Smart House, I don't know if you ever saw that growing up.Yeah, I've heard of it.
I know what Smart House is.
Yeah, those Disney Channel original movies that have these super high concept ideas, but the budget of a shoebox and some buttons.You know?Yeah. It drew me in with that milieu.
And then when the themes of the film start kind of rearing their head and you realize where it's going, a la Twin Peaks, and there's such a darkness to it.
And it's, you can literally see Owen, the Justice Smith character, like being eaten alive by his repressed, identity sexuality and just interest in general.
He has no idea who he is because he's only ever experienced himself do a show that he's never and he's never looked in.He's never looked inside.Never examined what's there and where things go in the film is just it broke me.
Yeah, yeah, really.Yeah, yeah.It really did for me.Like Justice Smith is like he's one of the highlights of this movie.Like it's the one movie that I think like, oh, yeah, this this guy is a really good actor right now.
Like he's like he's doing a really good performance here.And yeah.And like watching this movie, I was kind of scared that Justice was going to play a teenager again because like he's almost 30.Like, yeah, you got to
And they have him as a teenager for a couple scenes, but they do the classic grow your hair out longer, wear really baggy clothes, hunch to make you look younger.And thankfully he's not a teenager for too long.
He goes to, I think, early twenties pretty quickly.Yeah.
Yeah.Yeah.And it does like take place between like, I want to say like 1992 and 2005 ish.
Because it's told over the course of the 90s and the 2000s and by the time... By the end of it, they get into the 2010s because he gets a thin flat screen he uses on essentially the equivalent of Disney+.
Oh, yeah, yeah.We're going to we're going to get into that.
Yeah.And and like the third cameo that I want to talk about is like the two guys that were like that were like standing on the street.Those are like those are the actors who played Pete and Pete in The Adventures of Pete and Pete.
One of those old Nickelodeon shows.
Wow.Yeah.I was not I was not a Nick Nick kid growing up, so I don't I have no idea what that is.
Yeah.Yeah.Like I didn't I mean, like I said before, I was a big Cartoon Network kid, but I grew up around my sibling and sister.
Yeah, who were really into Disney Channel, who were really into Nick.Whenever they were watching TV, it was either a Nick at Night program or a Disney Channel program.
whether it was a movie or a show, whether it was Winters of Waverly Place or something else, like, yeah.That's a classic.Oh, oh yeah, man, definitely, yeah.Like, and, and, and yeah, man, and what else?Like, what else can we talk about?
Oh, and I really liked the soundtrack of this movie.This is probably one of my favorite soundtracks of this movie.Probably my favorite soundtrack of the year.
Oh, and yeah, I mean, in terms of soundtracks, easily my favorite soundtrack of the year.
Okay, yeah, but if we're talking score, Dune Part 2.Like, definitely.
Yeah, score would be Challengers for me, my friend.I don't know about you.Oh, yeah.
Of course, Challengers.Yeah, Challengers, obviously.
No, Dune's great, too.I'm not saying you're wrong. For me, the Reznor Ross Challenger score, I've been blasting that.It's been on my workout playlist since it came out.
I haven't stopped.It's between Challengers and Dune for me, honestly.Last year, my favorite soundtrack was Across the Spider-Verse.This year, it's I Saw the TV Glow.I'm probably going to listen to it for like... for like the whole year, so.
What's your favorite song on it, man?
OK, OK, since we're going to be talking songs, I've picked, I've picked like five of them. Uh, so the songs I picked are Anthems of a 17-Year-Old Girl from You'll, Starburned and Unkissed from Caroline Palachuk.
That's the song that plays while Owen is, like, walking the school halls.
Yeah, that's my favorite song.
I can't stop listening to that song.I'm obsessed.
She's one of the finest female artists of our time, man.I'm telling you.
And and I really want to see her in concert so bad.You know, I know, I know.
Shows just have to be so expensive and they're never near me, so.
Another season from Frances Quinlan, that's the song that plays after the ending psychic wound from King Woman.That's the song with the with the screamo.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.With the with the screamo musician after Phoebe Bridgers plays.Yeah.
Yeah.Which I was going to say, my one of my favorites is definitely The Claw Machine with Phoebe Bridgers and who else?Sloppy Jane.Yeah.
Yeah.Which my question is, if Phoebe's there, where are Lucy Dacus and Julian Baker?Like, come on.
Yeah, I know.Well, there I know they're on a break.I'm pretty sure.Right.
Don't tell me that.Shut up.
That's what happened after the Grammys.They announced their.
Finding out in real time.I'm really upset right now.I really like boy.She is Baker.
She's from Memphis, which is where which is where I am.My work team actually or.Julian Baker.
Yeah, my and everybody on my work team except for me and one other person bumped into them at a coffee shop because I had a photo shoot somewhere else.
Oh, what's what's like, what is Julian like?
Oh, I don't know.I didn't bump into them.They said she was very nice.And they got some pictures and stuff like that.
So cool.And another song I like is called If I Could from JSAW.
Yeah, oh good.That was going to be my deeper cut from it.That actually is my second favorite after Star Burnin' Unkissed.I'm obsessed with that.
Yeah, yeah.Yeah, man.The soundtrack is great.I want to listen to it again.Jeez.
I know.It's fantastic.If I could one especially, really feels of the era.Those guitars.I'm like, this is Radio Disney Corps, you know.
obviously there's a little more indie tinge to it from modern day of course but like the way the guitars are mixed and the way it sounds just i'm like if this had come on after like i don't know uh absolutely the story of a girl from nine days uh on radio disney it would have it would have fit right in oh yeah um and the soundtrack does so much legwork for the film in a good way not in a lazy way of like setting
the tone of the era and like, there's the vibe of everything that's going on.It's so enveloping, you know?
It has that, like, the radical 80s hangover that populated a lot of the early internet, 90s and 2000s, where it's like, we, corporations hadn't figured out what the internet's aesthetic was.
And it, you know, they kind of, they still aren't, but minimalist obviously took over for a long time and is still very prevalent. But this era was still like bright neon, huge aggressive fonts.And it was pretty, but it was like dated.
Everyone knew it was dated, but they hadn't replaced it yet.And this is what that movie feels like aesthetically.It was crazy.It's the first time I've really ever felt that.
from a movie, because typically, we're doing a period piece, it's gonna be set in the 80s, 70s, and if it's in the 90s, it's like early 90s.
And so now I'm old enough to where my childhood is starting to get represented on screen, and it makes me feel old, so.
Oh, yeah, definitely.Like, it's the type of thing where like, where you see a clip of a show, or you see an image from a show that you used to watch when you were a kid, and it's a deep cut.Yeah, man.Cool.So let's get into our favorite scenes.
Let's do it.OK, first scene I want to talk about, I love the scene where 12-year-old Owen is under the, what's it called, the blanket thing that has all the bi colors.
Yeah, and I feel like that is such a perfect representation of discovering pretty colors, and how they could associate with you, with your identity and your sexuality, and just a perfect representation of
of like discovering your, just a perfect representation of discovering your potential like bisexuality in a way like I thought, like I really thought that was, you know, beautiful.
So, and yeah, I mean, it speaks to the imagery throughout the film.He's always wearing either colors
He's always framed with the colors of the by and trans flags and also his costuming is the same like he has I believe like a blue pillow and I think a either a pink or purple sleeping bag, or it might be switched, I can't remember.
So I love that, that's a great scene.My favorite touch is just the idea of that being a gym activity at a school.
I mean, obviously I don't know if people still do that in schools, but that's something I feel like everyone who grew up in the 90s, early 2000s experienced at least a couple times.And when I saw that image,
It instantly transported me back to being in a community center.Like a really dusty, smelly community center that smells like feet.Under one of those, what is it?Whatever, the tarp, I don't know what you call those.
I don't know what they're called.I just know that it's a gym activity.And the next thing I want to talk about is the scene where Owen and Maddie are watching the new episode of The Pink Opaque.They're staring at it and Maddie just like break down.
just breaks down into tears.It's a pretty accurate representation of watching something and you can't help but burst, and you can't help but feel that the tears are coming down your eyes, whether it's emotional or whether
or whether it's a brief moment that a character has or something.
And just before this recording, I was catching up on The Bear, and I was watching the penultimate episode where, I don't know, Carmi says something, and I just thought to myself, wow, I felt that.Jeez.
Yeah, the act of being seen through a piece of media.
It's kind of the whole film in a scene is just feeling represented, feeling at home, feeling connected to something that doesn't know about you, but it feels like it does.
Yeah, and in a way, Maddie saw their own self when watching the TV.And it's dumb saying, wow, this character is so much like me.
I want to be this character, but I can't because I'm confined in this living space where I can't be allowed to express myself.Damn.
And I gotta say again, I think, like, Justice Smith is good, but Bridget steals the show in this movie.You know, like, they're so, they're amazing at this.I don't really know what to say other than they're amazing.
And I'm gonna go to the stand up moment as to why they're amazing.But, like, the way that I didn't really, I predicted that Bridget was going to be kind of a big star.Have you ever watched Atypical, the Netflix show?
I haven't.I honestly don't watch many shows anymore.Oh, really? Yeah, I don't really watch TV anymore.
Yeah, I mean, I guess so.
That is the reason I just I just enjoy film more like these days.I don't have the patience for TV to stick out with.You know, I'm someone who is.There should be like two movies.
I tried it and I liked what I saw, but I gave up because I just I'm like this, this go get where you're going. You know, like, and I'm someone who enjoys long, long films, but I don't know.I just don't have the patience for it.
But anyways, no, I haven't watched Atypical.I apologize.What are they in Atypical?
It's like that Vincent Hanna quote from Heat.Don't waste my motherfucking time.
Yes, it's exactly that.That's me watching a show where I'm like, well, this episode had nothing.
What about now? Which I say as a huge hypocrite, because I watched all of Twin Peaks, so maybe that's the exception.That proves the rule.
Your exception to TV is if David Lynch ever does a show, so there you go.Well, in this case, Wild Car Way's new show, so... Release it in the States, please. Yeah, I know, right?When's it coming out?
I felt like I heard about it, and I haven't heard anything from it since.Exactly, it's gonna be in my grasp.
Yeah, here, I'm gonna look it up while you talk about Atypical.
Yeah, so basically Atypical had Bridgette Lundy-Page in it, and it's basically about this teenager who has autism.It's pretty much how this kid has to go through life, in a sense.And Bridgette plays the older sister of that character.
And I don't really like that show very much because I think it's Because as an autistic man myself, it's kind of an insensitive, it kind of has an insensitive portrayal of autism, which I don't really vibe with.
And Bridget is the best part of that show.So like her character is Casey, like she goes through an arc which I thought was really good and fleshed out.And it just got me thinking like, wow, they're gonna be, they're going to be big someday.
And they are like Bridget is going to be a big star from now on because of I saw the TV glow.So there you go.
And the information I have on blossoms.Ironically, apparently there's some sort of site that's supposed to get it June 3rd, as in tomorrow, but. I'm not seeing anything else.This page does not necessarily seem reputable, so... We'll see on that.
Hopefully we get it soon.30 episodes.That's crazy.
30 episodes of Wong Kar Wai?
Yeah, I might.That's gonna be tough.
Yeah, man, but it'll be worth it.It'll be worth it, man.Anyway, so... And another thing I want to talk about is when...
is like, I love the scene where Owen has, as I said before, his head is in the TV, and like his head is in the TV, he watched the last tape of the Pink Opaque, and he doesn't want it to be over, so he just desperately sticks his head into it, just so he can get into the Pink Opaque,
And it's a really, it's pretty heartbreaking.It's a really heartbreaking scene.
And it's followed by Fred Durst, like a showering Owen and like in the shower and like, like he's crying and screaming and he's throwing up this like blue static that's coming out of him.
Like, yeah.That was a visceral scene. It is tough.It was one of those where, yeah, I'm trying to have the words to fully reckon with that one, but I think you summed it up well.
Yeah, and it pretty much speaks a lot on whether a show is canceled or it's about to end, because this is potentially a show of your staple that you don't want it to end.
You want to get to know these characters more, and stories are unresolved that you desperately want to know.
And it's just, like, inner thought of, like, being outside a show to ask these characters for- to, like, ask these characters yourself, like, hey, what's gonna happen next?
Like, does- does she, uh, does this character, like, uh, get out of this burial ground?Does she, like, uh, does- like, is she alive after ODing on this blue goo, whatever?
Like, does the eye- does this, uh, does, uh, does Mr. Mel- does she escape Mr. Melancholy's grasp?Like, And it's honestly how I felt when...
when this other show I watched, Spectacular Spider-Man, it got cancelled after 26 episodes, and it ended on a major, major cliffhanger.
It had an insane twist called The Green Goblin, and they cancelled it after 26 episodes, and there was a whole thing where Josh Keaton desperately wanted to get back to work, there was miscommunication between Sony and Kids WB, and
And when he heard that Spider-Man was being discontinued, and Josh got so excited, and then he found out that, oh, well, we're actually rebranding.
Oh, we're actually changing up the show a bit, and you're not really welcomed back, which he revealed on a TikTok Live before Across the Spider-Verse came out.So that's a whole other thing.
really yeah really yeah yeah yeah it's like yeah it's 26 episodes of like spider-man greatness that show deserved to be continued for like many many years there were stories planned yeah a lot of stories planned by the creator it was gonna have two directed tv movies and man just sucks really it sucks to be a spider-man right now but yeah
Anyways, and the two standout scenes to me are Maddie's monologue and its ending.I'm gonna talk about the ending for a bit, but I wanna talk about Maddie's monologue in a bit.Their monologue speaks so much on how much time has passed
like between a number of number of years like at first I was 19 then I was 20 then I was 21 like whatever like time has moved so fast like chapters in the DVD and like that hits that like that really hits me because and it hits and it and it hits a lot for a lot of people because when COVID happened it's like it's like we were all enclosed sorry excuse me
We were all enclosed in our homes, not knowing what to do.Not knowing what to do.Not really getting to see our friends or family.Just trying to desperately keep in touch.
and suddenly you're just getting older and older and older and like you're rediscovering something about yourself, your interests are aligned, and then Maddie just like...
just like talks about how they ran away, how they discovered the pink opaque, how they were actually in the pink opaque, which sounds crazy.But but like, what do you think?Do you actually think that Maddie made it to the pink opaque or?
Yeah, it's it's the part of the movie that's the most surreal.To me, it's that Maddie decided to act on the things that the show made her feel.
And she did look inside and realize things about herself and decided to begin a new life with that knowledge and embracing it and living it instead of keeping it repressed and rebelling against the prison that she felt that she was in.
And so like, in the show, like, did she actually go into the show?I don't know.I think it's just the show is more so like the reality of what these two characters have going on inside.One person is refusing to look inside.
And one not refusing in like, oh, they're like lazy and won't do it.But like, it's scary, you know, to to recognize things about yourself.
And when you're in an environment that doesn't give you the space to process it, you don't process it, you know, out of a self-defense mechanism.And so I think for me, that moment, that monologue especially was was really powerful because
It's like, how do you convey to someone to, I mean, essentially telling the Owen character to either come out of the closet, you know, and to themselves, first off, because it's not even recognizing it to themselves.
And there are these cutaways to Owen in the dress. Very brief cutaways.But it's one of the few times that you see him smile in the whole movie.And we never actually see that scene.
And so it's very interesting, because the whole film is Owen recounting this over time.And when he talks about the relationship, he only ever talks about the pink opaque.
But then when she's talking about it, he's getting flashbacks of these moments he never brought up.Like wearing a dress, being on the football field, all this stuff.
Drawing the tattoos on their necks and all that and yeah, which I want like I want Not on my neck, yeah painful but like, you know somewhere on my body that's not yeah, it would be it would be cool Yeah
And like, yeah, like, and yeah, like, you've put it, you know, perfectly.So like, I don't really have anything else to add, like, other than what you've said.
And again, like I've said before, like, and also in a way that Bridget was also like, coming to terms with their sexuality, too, because
Because in Atypical, Bridget identified as she-her, but then over the course of a few years, Bridget came out as non-binary, and her sexuality upbringing played a... played a specific role in this movie, which I thought was beautiful.
You believe her gender fluid transformation, you believe the allegory that the film is presenting, and you pretty much believe what she's saying about
about the pink opaque to convince Owen to come out, but Owen is too scared and repressed to even consider embracing his own sexuality in a way.
And I do want to talk about when he's picking up the TV and when he's scrolling through Netflix to turn on the pink opaque.And instead of thoughts of saying, oh, the pink opaque doesn't look as great as how I thought it was.
And it speaks to a lot on the shows that we grew up on and how most of them don't really age well.So I'm going to say this story. So, like I said, my sibling and sister watched a lot of Nickelodeon, right?And one of those shows was Full House.
I watched Full House, and most of those episodes don't really age well.I liked what I saw when I was younger, but it doesn't really, like, you know, it doesn't exactly grasp that same magic that you once had when you were a child.
You know, like, rest in peace Bob Saget and all that.He was national treasure.Can't believe that he was gone too soon.And John Stamos, lovely man.He's a great man.And yeah, and like, And two other shows were iCarly and Victorious.
And, you know, one day I saw that iCarly and Victorious were added to Netflix for some reason.And, you know, I gave them a rewatch. Holy shit.Some of the holy shit.Most of those shows don't really age well at all.
And and it's even more apparent because of the quiet on set documentary, which revealed a lot of dark secrets that are behind the scenes with Dan Schneider and company.And that's a lot to unpack.
And did you did you did you watch that documentary or I didn't, but my wife did.
And she told me about it. Yeah, no, I mean that was obviously horrible.I don't have much to add other than it's fucked.
Yeah, what happened to these actors is like completely fucked and messed up.Like I got up to, and I only got up to the Drake Bell episode at stock because it just got really upsetting.So, yeah. Yeah.
And also, no matter what you think about Drake Bell and the recent criminal activity that he did, it's just that it's important to believe these actors, what they've been through, how they were the way they were.So again, it's messed up.
But yeah, anyway. So again, it does speak to a lot, again, on how the show that you loved is still there, but when you're an adult, it doesn't really hit the same.So, yeah.
Yeah, that was the biggest takeaway for me.I think one of the biggest themes of the film is, which is,
Eventually you do have to reckon with who you are and what these shows made you feel because if you don't, you will, which will goes into the ending, which is one of my favorite scenes as well.
So we're just going to, I'm just going to go ahead and say spoiler warning.
Spoiler alert. But when Owen is in this party, he's suffocating, he can barely breathe and he literally looks like he's dying.And he screams in the party and everybody freezes.He's essentially like, I cannot deny who I am anymore, I'm gonna die.
You know, like I'm literally feel like I'm going to die.And it's like the world stops because you're processing so much.And he's thinking about how the show didn't hold up.
It's because, well, it doesn't make you feel that anymore because you are simply too aware of the world around you.You've grown too much.Like this is a show for kids.It's not going to instill that same wonder in you.
You know, and what I wrote on Letterboxd. I had a show do that with me, which we're going to talk about childhood TV shows.I'm going to mention what it is.It's Teen Titans, the animated show on Cartoon Network.I got a VHS of that very young.
And it was my comfort show.Like, I watched every episode of that show.We didn't always have cable growing up, so that's why I didn't see a lot of Nickelodeon, because we didn't always have cable.We would get trials.
We'd get trials with certain packages so that we could VHS record certain episodes and whatnot.Like, that show was my comfort show.And when they got canceled, Um, and they did the TV movie.
I was excited to get the finality of having a movie, but then I was scared that there was no more show.And then I rewatched in high school.
It's still hit because now I'm the same age as the characters in the show, which I feel like is kind of similar.
And I saw the TV glow when Owen rewatches it later on when he's in high school and the ages of the pink opaque characters, he relates even more because now he's their age. But then when I rewatch, I decided to rewatch it.
I actually still have those VHS recorders, the recordings from the TV.And I put one in. couple years ago just to see, you know, I'm like, you know what, why not?I mean, I have it on Blu-ray, but let's watch it on VHS.
Cause you have the whole aesthetic.You've got the outdated ads for toys that don't exist anymore.You get the box format.It looks like crap, you know?And it just didn't hit.I was like, cool, man.Yeah.This was for show for kids, you know?
And not that it isn't good or a great show for kids.I think it's a great show, but it's like, I'm in my twenties, you know?Like it just doesn't, it can't,
It doesn't have anything to like awaken in me or whatever or draw out of me or to enlighten me on because it is meant to do those things for children.
And so the movie is like, if you rely too much on that and never learn who you are, you'll suffocate because that media that you glommed onto as a child, has an expiration date, it really does.
And if you rely too much on that nostalgia, you never grow up.
And yeah.Yeah, that's also well said, you know?
And also, you can't really... It's important that physical media matters because in a way, the Pink Opaque might disappear from Netflix and now everybody might not watch the Pink Opaque and for good reason.
Yeah.I'm going to joke about tax write offs for the rest of my life on this podcast.
That's a pretty bleak thing.Yeah.
Oh, yeah.Oh, yeah.It's it's it's dystopian.Yeah.
I mean, it's it's hilarious because of how dystopian it is.It's like, really, you can spend ten million dollars and then get more tax credit for not releasing it. That seems illegal, even though it's not.It's insane.
Put David Sazloff behind bars already.Fuck you.
That would be a great day.
That would be, yeah.Anyway.And yeah, so I think that's the end of the movie.Well, actually, I'll talk about the ending for a bit.Yeah, I was about to say, what are your thoughts?The way that Owen screams, you know, screams and I don't know,
And when he does scream, like, I don't think you, I don't, I don't think you notice, but like, he basically screams out.
Yeah.Because like, he, like, he lost his mom to, uh, to cancer.So like, so like in a way, like it's him, like screaming out for her because like, he's not like, he never got over the loss of his mom.
And, um, it was the only nurturing. parent that he had but is also in a way she infantilized him.She coddled him a long time like he's in her lap in high school which like is endearing but also you know it's also restricting.
You're not encouraging your son to grow up and learn things about himself and now part of that is because of dad so I'm saying it's her fault but like
He is someone who is never able to really truly become an adult because he has these things so deeply repressed.Yeah, you just brought up the him screaming mom.Mom, yeah, I forgot he did that until just now, and now I'm like, that hurts, man.
A really impressive makeup effects for Justice Smith.I think that might get a Best Makeup Oscar nomination, like a Best Makeup nomination.
Look, I hope A24 actually does a campaign for this movie.
Instead of like showing up last year, which also got the late April or late March, mid April release and then got completely ignored.I hope they actually push it because it didn't make money, but
I really do think the makeup effects, like, and also the creature effects too, like on Mr. Melancholy.
Oh yeah, and the ice cream.Scary.Yeah.
Yeah, it was scary.Like that Mr. Melancholy and that scene when it switches from VHS to digital from Maddie's POV about getting buried, like, bruh.That, that was chilling.
Yeah, yeah, chilling scene.Yeah.I can guarantee that there are going to be a lot of Mr. Melancholy costumes this year, so. Could be.
I hope so.That would be awesome.
Yeah, yeah.That would be great.Yeah.And and and like, did you did you see Monkey Man this year or?
I did see Monkey Man, yeah.
Oh, yeah.So like so like like both movies have a similar scene where like a main character is like cutting his like chest open and there's like a light that that beams out.I just thought that was like really interesting that we that we had
That we had two movies like that.
Yeah.And that also felt very Videodrome as well.Like when he reaches into himself and pulls out the flesh gun.
All that.Yeah.Long live the new flesh.
Great line. And, and, yeah, oh, and I got to talk about my second viewing of I Saw the TV Glow, which that's honestly like a better theater experience for me.
So, so, so New Yorkers, if you want to go to a good indie movie, go to Nighthawk Cinema, because, so, so like when,
So like when you walk in, you go upstairs, there's a there's a bar where they serve drinks and and it's also like the type of theater where like.
Where you sit in your seat and yeah, the food and like you eat the food while you're watching the movie and the guy and one of the service like takes.Like takes up, takes the plate and the glass, takes the plate and the glasses and
And like before you pay for the food, you pay in advance, which is very, very neat.And what I ordered was a fancy cheese platter.
And there we go.Yeah, I'm all about those.
Yeah.Yeah, man, I'm gonna order a cheeseburger like every time I see a movie.Like, the next time we'll be in Alamo Drafthouse if I can ever, like, book a movie because they always, always, there are always sold out showings.
So, and I know that I should be able to book them.Alamo's amazing.What?
Alamo Drafthouses are amazing.
I know they're amazing.And I really want the Alamo Draft House experience.And I was still like, oh, you just got to get on top of it.I'm trying.I'm trying the best I can.And yeah, it was a really nice experience.
And also, that theater has a whole glass collection of VHS box sets.There was one that was a Kiki's Delivery Service Japanese cover from 1986.And there was another one that had that
that had the VHS cover of the Superman serial from the 1930s that had that fluid animation that is really gorgeous.So yeah.Yeah.Yeah.And as a guy who loves Superman, I think that's pretty neat.
Yeah, that's dope, man.I love that.
Yeah, and yeah, so that was my Nighthawk theater experience.Go to Nighthawk.There's two locations.There's one at Prospect Park, and there's another one at Williamsburg.There you go. Yeah, yeah.Hey guys, go to, go to Nighthawk.
Yeah, so, yeah, and, and during my Nighthawk showing, I really like.So basically what they do is like, they do like, they do a bunch of like preview clips that add to the theme of the movie.So, there was
There was the Adventures of Pete and Pete theme music.There was a clip of Are You Afraid of the Dark.There was a clip of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.There was a Discovery Zone commercial from the 90s.Oh Discovery Zone.
I said Discovery Zone.I hadn't thought about that in forever.
Oh, man.And, and there was a trailer that played for slums of Beverly Hills, which I will definitely watch soon.It's been on my watches for a while.So, yeah.
so yeah and now let's and now we've reached the end of the movie and now we're gonna talk about the shows that we loved growing up i picked like five shows that are growing up all of them are cartoon network shows by the way so really all of them there we go okay yeah and so so i'm gonna go first first pick i have is the uh is uh it's is uh ben 10
Yeah, so I was a big Ben 10 kid growing up.From the moment I saw the pilot episode, I was immediately hooked.Like a 10 year old kid turning aliens by twisting a watch. That's really good shit.I thought that was neat.
And he goes on a summer vacation with his grandpa and cousin.His grandpa is part of a secret organization.That's cool.And also, as you watch the show, the lore continues to build, to build, to build until the sequel show.
Just watching that and experiencing that growing up was such a treat for me. And I don't like that Cartoon Network keeps trying to replicate that success because they came out with a reboot show that looked like ass.Think about it this way.
It's worse than Teen Titans Go animation.
At least Teen Titans Go is funny.
Now I look at it as pretty funny.Now it's a pretty funny show. And yeah, so what's your fifth pick?I know that you're like... Yeah.
My fifth would be... No, no, you're fine.You're fine.My fifth pick would be Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.
I almost had that.I almost had that on there.
Yeah, it's... I didn't have cable a lot growing up.Like, the fact that I saw every Teen Titans episode, like, that took a lot of work and a lot of work for my parents to like, you know,
get a trial for a cable network record everything that was going on and we would rent other things from blockbuster and we would have a year have it for a year wouldn't have it for a year you know so but that one was one i watched a lot i didn't see every episode but as a kid i always loved that one blue on there um the different
designs of the characters always, so I thought the animation style was really unique too.Yeah, yeah, really unique.And so yeah, that would be my, that would be my fifth.
No, no deep thoughts because I probably haven't seen it in 15 years, but that was one that whenever it was on, I always watched it and I always really liked it.
Yeah, I think I watched several episodes on there, just a bunch of random episodes, not in order.And each different types of imaginary friend character designs were really neat.I mean, you got... I mean, the house is run by a gentleman bunny.
You can't really take it seriously.
Exactly.It's what John Krasinski's If wants to be.
I think the main character of that movie is also called Blue.
The character's name in that movie is named Blue, and he's not even Blue!
Blue, yeah.Ugh, oh my god.
anyway uh so so yeah like like i said like not much to say about fosters but yeah like there there are a bunch of like episodes there were some episodes that stay in my mind like there was one episode where where like puppies arrived at the home i don't know if you remember it but like there was something about i think i remember that one yeah yeah yeah there was something about the uh i forget what his name i think his name is
I don't know what his name is like one of the imaginary friends like adopts a puppy and then and then the puppies had like superpowers or some shit like it's crazy and and yeah and there was another and there was another one where like the rabbit became an internet sensation yeah I do remember that one and he got pissed off he watches the meaning of this I remember that yeah and yeah so that's fosters uh
What's your fourth?What?OK, my fourth pick is Batman the Brave and the Bold.
Yeah.Yeah.That one had a banger.It had such a banger theme song that goes like.
And basically what that show was is that basically this was my Batman the Animated Series, which it was like I know a couple of friends who grew up watching like the 90s show with with Kevin Conroy, which my favorite Batman of all time.
I love Kevin Conroy so much, rest in peace.I can't, I still can't.Yeah, anyway, so Dietrich Bader like voices this version of Batman.It's basically, it's basically owed to like Adam West, like to the Adam West 60s show and the movie Batman and Robin.
And it's him and it's Batman basically teaming up with like classic DC heroes to like, to stop the villain of the week.And it was fun and I liked it a lot, so. Yeah.
Yeah.Yeah.That that show was a little bit after.I think I'm just a little bit.I might be a little bit older than you, but I do remember when that started.I saw some.So this fun.I like that show quite a bit when I go back and see clips of it.
I'm like, oh, this is this is ahead of the time.You know, it was very self-aware.Honestly, what it reminds me of is the HBO Max Harley Quinn show.Oh, yeah. That show is like an adult, which I again, I say I don't watch TV.I have seen that show.
I haven't seen the latest season because I don't have Macs anymore.But yeah, that's a good show.Good show.
Yeah, really good.Really good show.And and I like the Harley Quinn.
comparison because there's literally an episode where like Batmite shows up and it basically like rewrites the entire story of Batman the Brave and the Bold and how it's supposed to end because like it was essentially like a series finale type thing.
Like it was like a meta-comic.
That's hilarious.So Batmite shows up.As a kid, I would rent these.I would go to the library and rent the comics from like the 50s Batman runs.And I remember reading about Batmite.I'm like, what the hell is Batmite?
what is going on in these early comics?
Yeah, so basically, Batmite is like the Mr. Mixed Penelope to Superman.Oh, yeah, exactly.
Yeah.Yeah.No, it's funny that they actually put him in the show.
Yeah, I know a lot about him.
It'd be funny if Nolan was like, I'm making another Batman.It's about Batmite, but just in the Nolan universe.
Oh, my God.He would cast George Costanza as Batmite.Oh, my God.Nathan Alexander.
I'm like, listen, if he's Jerry, Bruce Wayne, you've got to stop.This is Jerry Seinfeld impression.
I can't do George.Nolan brought 90s actors into Oppenheimer.He should do the same for his next Batman.There we go.He should do the same if he ever wants to do another Batman movie, which he probably will.
No, never.Definitely not.His Batman days are behind him.
I'm behind him.But my Batman days are not, because my number four is Batman the Animated Series.
Yeah, yeah, that is my number four.Now, I'm not old enough to watch it as it aired.However, I did rent those DVDs from the library and Blockbuster religiously.I watched every episode of that show.
I remember the advertisements on Cartoon Network for the movie, Batman, The Mystery of the Batwoman, which is essentially like, you know, one of those movies that's an extension of that show.It's got all the same talent, the same animation style.
Loved that movie.Batman, Mask of the Phantasm, I think is the second or third best Batman movie.
And so, I mean, it's the Batman, the animated series.It really kind of set the template for what an animated comic book show could slash should be repurposes the Danny Elfman theme.The animation is incredible.
I had some of the video games based off it, Batman Vengeance on GameCube and Batman Rise of Sin Tzu.Freaking amazing games.I played those way too much growing up.But yeah, great show.
I know you mentioned you didn't watch it as much, but you guys have seen some.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.I watch most of it now, so.Okay, cool.
Yeah, yeah.Fantastic.I love that show.What's your third?
My third pick is... How did the song go?Geniuses used him like a lab.I mean... There we go. I as a kid, I really liked growing up.
My mom didn't like the didn't like that I was watching it because because Johnny Test is like a barely like action heavy show involving
like, involving, like, world-ending conflicts involving a 10-year-old kid and his two older sisters who run a lab in their house, which, which kind of, which honestly, which, which I am, which I am completely baffled as to how these
as to how this family could even afford the house or the land.Like, now I just have so many questions.Do Mary and Susan, like, do Mary and Susan pay for the land?Do the parents own the land?Like, what?I don't know.And also,
And also as a kid, I related to Johnny's rebellious behavior because I was that kid.I wanted to, I felt I had the need to do whatever I wanted, play video games.Whether it's playing video games, whether it's playing,
playing video games or watching TV all day, you know, like I was that kid and, and, and, you know, like as an adult, like, it's not, it's not really that great.
Like, honestly, but like you have that, but, but it does have that core memory of like, of like, wow, like I watched this as a kid.I thought this was cool.So
I never watched that show, so I don't... Sorry.
Sorry, sorry.Not to cut you off, but like, Bling Bling Boy is one of those guys that Eminem is too afraid to diss, so... Yeah, you were saying, Nathan?
No, yeah, I just... I don't... I didn't... I've never watched that show.I have heard of it, though.So maybe I'll have to check out a couple episodes just to see what it's about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure man.If you do, get back to me.
Yeah, so what's your third pick?
My third is going to be Even Stevens.Oh man.
Like I said, I didn't grow up on 90s Disney so I only heard about Even Stevens through YouTube.
Yeah, I didn't see every single episode.Again, it's hard to complete these shows with not having cable all the time.But every episode I saw, I loved Beans.I love Beans.
I watched the Even Stevens movie where they get trapped on the island and all Beans packs is a suitcase full of bacon. It's just an absolutely hilarious show.Shia LaBeouf, that's where I became a huge fan of him.
It was one of those things where obviously controversies, not controversies, terrible behavior that's happened in recent years has made being a fan of Shia LaBeouf difficult slash like, you know, put that at a distance.
He should be in jail for what he did to FKA Twigs.I'm just saying, like, come on.
Terrible.And I'm glad he has been in therapy, has done a lot of self-reflection.But anyways. That's a whole other sidetrack.It's hard to be a fan of him these days.Anyways, that show made me a fan of him as a child.
And anything that he was in, I would ask my parents to take me to see.It's why I saw Transformers opening night.
Yeah, like I was gonna ask about Transformers, dog.
Yeah, I mean, I saw Holes.That movie traumatized me as a kid for some reason because the lizard with the flared necks.Oh, yeah.Carried the fucking shit out of me.And I cried in the theater and had to be taken home and didn't finish.
the movie for years because of that.And then when I rewatched it, I was like, oh, it's not scary at all.But as a child, it freaked me out.But anyways, it just made me a fan of him.
I related to even Steven's character, like his persona, his twitchy behavior, which as a child, I was undiagnosed, ADHD, anxiety, all that stuff.And it just wasn't as common knowledge back then to test your kids for that.And so I felt a bit seen.
Yeah.Sorry.Sorry.Like, not to cut you off again, but like, would you say that Samuel Wickey in Transformer is like, even Steven's personified?Yeah.
I mean, like now I'm like, yeah, it's just Shia LaBeouf acting like himself, essentially, in those shows.He's like a really twitchy kid, but yeah, fun show.I haven't rewatched it again since I was a child, but I love it.
I hate the movie, but like, he's even like more twitchy in Revenge of the Fallen, so like... Hey, look.
I got a soft spot for Revenge of the Fallen.Stuff goes boom in that. It looks pretty cool, I'm not gonna lie.
The movie's dumb as fuck.But listen, I hate it just because I think it was written poorly, that's because of the strike.But just because there were a lot of really bad jokes in the movie, a lot of shit going on.
Yeah, no, it's ugly and offensive and awful.I almost like it because of that, because I can't believe This movie was made at PG-13, made for children.
I sat front row in a 3D screen to see that and I'm like, there's so much language, people are getting decapitated. Sam is trying to fuck Megan Fox, the whole movie, but not.And it's like, the camera's just like up women's skirts.
I'm like, what is happening?I'm like, I saw this at, when did that come out?2009, so I saw it at like 12.I'm like, what the hell?That's just how it's taken to see this?But anyways, anyway, that's the whole sidetrack.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah, exactly, yeah. But yeah.What's your next one?Would you say even Steven's age as well or?
Well, see, this is the tough thing with this list.And it kind of speaks to the movie a little bit is I haven't revisited any of these shows except for my number one, which I already mentioned.I'm not going to say it again in case someone's forgotten.
But other than that one, I really haven't revisited any of these outside of occasionally maybe an episode or two.So it's hard to know if it holds up.But part of me is like, I loved it at the time. and I wanna keep that there, you know?
Right, yeah.Right.Right, yeah, I gotcha.So my number two, sorry.My number two is, this is a cartoon that I still adore to this very day, and I think it ages beautifully like fine wine.
It came out in 2010, the year that Cartoon Network was starting to evolve, Adventure Time.
Oh, wow.Yeah.Yeah.That's what I missed, too.But speak on it, man.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah, man.Like I was about I would say it was about nine or 10 years old when I watched it, like right at the cusp here, like like just right at the age where
where I was at the tail end of elementary school, that I was about to start the next chapter of middle school, hooray.And what that show did for me was that it got me through sixth grade, seventh grade,
It got me through sixth and seventh grade middle school.If I needed comfort, I would basically watch Finn and Jake shenanigans.And the beautiful thing about Adventure Time is that it kept its momentum after three or four seasons.
The creator of the show, Pendleton Ward, knew that his audience was
knew that his audience of about ages of audiences of like between ages 10 to 12 were like about to age so like he continued like writing Adventure Time so he continued Adventure Time as like a
So he continued Adventure Time as this mature narrative for being something for kids to be something much more philosophical, while still maintaining its toad of being a kid's show.
And he starts to develop characters, not just Finn and Jake, but Ice King, Princess Bubblegum,
and uh Don and Marceline and like dude Ice King has a tragic backstory and oh it's tough i i i know and um and like a lot of like and a lot of relationships were developed whether romantic or whether romantic or platonic.
And even after the show stopped airing in 2019, it continued with the spinoff show, Fiona Yet Cake, while continuing its narrative.
It got, I want to say, three distant land HBO Max movies, well, Max television style movies that were actually pretty good. And it had a great villain in the form of the Lich, who was voiced perfectly by Ron Perlman.
And dude, I could gush about Adventure Time for so long, man.I love that.Yeah.Have you watched Adventure Time?
I haven't, man. It's again like it's a lot of these shows.I just if I didn't if I wasn't able to catch some of the early episodes I just never saw them as a kid.
I mean like you're older than I am so like you probably like didn't really get to watch it or like yeah, I mean
I remember the trailers for it, like when it was coming out.I was a little bit older and it just didn't look as interesting to me.I don't say that as judgment.I think it speaks to the power of the show.
If you were the age of the audience when it came out and you grew up with that, it's designed to grow up with you.And I think, I mean, that's powerful.I love that. Like my number one, it's kind of the same for me, honestly.
And I caught that one at the age it was meant for, at the start.And so, yeah.Your second pick, what's your second pick?My second is, honestly, it's not a specific run of it.If I were to pick one, I guess I'll pick one I mentioned.
It's just Scooby-Doo in general. Any iteration pretty much.I guess the original, we would occasionally have Boomerang.Again, I would rent stuff from Blockbuster.The original 60s, any of the TV movies from any era.
What's New Scooby-Doo was what was on when I was a kid.
What's New Scooby-Doo, killing it for you.
Exactly.So that one I guess would be my go-to childhood one.But Mystery Incorporated I really liked too.I actually ended up seeing that show when it was on. It's just timeless.It's timeless for a reason.
It's the one where like, yeah, my mom was like, yeah, I grew up watching Scooby-Doo.And so then we would watch Scooby-Doo.And it would also speak to me.
You could not not watch Scooby-Doo, really.It's like it's there when you're at a doctor's office or a dentist's office.It's there when you're at your grandma's house or your neighbor's house.
It's cultural wallpaper and it's been cultural wallpaper for almost 60 years.And it's going to continue to be.It will always be rebooted and reimagined.
And I mean, it's been around long enough to get an R-rated animated show, which I didn't watch because it didn't look good.Oh my God.
Don't even get me started.
Yeah.Well, let's not, I don't want to go, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole because I've intentionally avoided knowing really anything. to do with that, but yeah, Scooby-Doo.
I mean, you got any Scooby-Doo thoughts before we get to our number ones?
Yeah.Scooby-Doo Zombie Island.
Yeah.I mean, I remember when that, I mean, obviously it wasn't when it came out, but like, I remember one day I looked at the TV guide and I saw that it was going to be airing.
And I was like, mom, whatever we're doing today, we need to be home so that we can watch this because it's airing.I've never seen that before.And she's like, OK, sure.And we have dinner.
We arrange dinner, you know, back in appointment viewing TV days. arrange dinner to finish at a certain time so that I can run over to the room to watch the movie.And it scared the shit out of me.
I was like, not expecting it to be... And those women turned into these, like, ghouls, like, ugh.
Yeah, honestly, it kind of got me... It was like a... What is it? A gateway drug, there we go.Couldn't think of the term.A gateway drug for like Italian horror and giallo.And like Suspiria and stuff like that.
Because it really did get really messed up.Almost honestly, it kind of reminded me of Fawlty's The Beyond. which is a weird comparison to make.I don't know if you've seen that movie, but also set in like the deep south.Really?Where there's a portal.
Yeah, like where there's a portal to another dimension and people coming up from the dead and all that stuff.
Neat.That sounds really neat, man.Yeah.
It's what we do.What's your number one?Uh, my number one, uh, it's good.Oh, regular show.
there we go oh man uh listen i love adventure time as much the next guy but regular show was my fucking shit it kicks ass like um each every episode that's like like you would think that regular show was just a game
It's just a cartoon about a blue jay and a raccoon just working the park, and just like you know goofing off being friends and shit, but then like when you get to like, but then like five minutes in, it just gets like so crazy and outlandish, like.
I mean, first off, it's a talking blue jay and a talking raccoon.You have a boss that's a talking gumball machine.You have an albino gorilla that's forced by Mark Hamill.And there's a talking ghost, and his name is High Five Ghost.
And his arm is pointed up like this.Come on! And also when you watch, and yes, I watched this when I was 12, so I was in the phase where I was listening to really edgy music, man.And so it spoke a lot to me, you know?
And also the comedic chemistry between Wartekai and Rigby is so funny and chaotic, and... And just the characters in that show is great.Specifically, Mordecai as a character is really interesting.And yeah, Rickby too.
He just becomes more than just like selfish asshole of a friend to trying to be this.To trying to be the most endearing person that he could try that he tries to be and like.And yeah, like it really.
And yeah, like it speaks a lot on the human experience.So also like when you watch regular show as as an adult, it hits different.You don't like. You know, like Mordecai has a crush on the barista. Like, I've had crushes too.
I've dealt with relationships too.Well, not really relationships, but you know, like I've met people in my life.Yeah, so it's like, what can I say?It's a regular show.
Yeah, I have seen some of that, not religiously, but I have seen some episodes.I know the characters and whenever it was on, I enjoyed it.That's that's a good show.
It's one that even now I might I might need to go through and and watch the whole thing.
Like it's so like it's really good.Yeah.Like it's so it's so it's probably I would say that it's probably the funniest Cartoon Network show of all time.
Yeah, definitely.And the fact that this show, like, given given like the subject matter that it has, like the territory that it goes through, like being risky and all that, it's it's so it's so crazy that this didn't.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.No, that makes sense.
Yeah. I think I can take a guess on what your number one pick is.You've talked about it briefly so take it away.
Yeah, I'll just talk about it a little bit because I know we're pushing two hours now.Teen Titans, the original run, is my favorite show.
I was given a VHS recording of two back-to-back episodes, season one, episode six and seven, which is Nevermore and Switched.I remember the titles names, I've seen them so many times.
The found family of the show, the dynamic of being a diverse crew, a lot of different personalities.Those first two episodes, in particular, were dealing with repressed emotions.
Raven not knowing how to express her emotions and having like all these different personalities inside her mind and her friends going inside her mind and realizing that what she shows in the exterior, which is this really obviously like got stoic, monotone voice.
She has all these emotions inside her.She just doesn't know how to express them because they're very repressed and they're repressed for a reason because of things gone on in her life.And it's just like,
growing up and having issues socializing, having issues making friends, I would lash out in classroom setting and stuff like that, just because of undiagnosed issues that I'm now diagnosed for.But it just really spoke to me.
And it became that comfort show that you said, like with Adventure Time, you would just tune into it.And it just felt like it was speaking to you.It was like a blanket and a pillow.
I watched it, I watched it so many times and I eventually got, I went back to it as an adult, like I said, didn't hit the same, but it's iconic show.So many episodes I could speak on, but yeah.
Yeah, yeah.Yeah, and specifically when like a cyborg and Beast Boy like enter Raven's mind is like, is particularly a memorable episode for me too.
And it's when you're introduced to Raven's father, who like eventually becomes kind of the big bad of the show later on in season four.Trygon.
And, uh, I gotta say though, I think Teen Titans peaked for me with the Terra storyline because, like, it's a really good story on betrayal and, like, how... Oh, shit.Your headphones just died.Fuck.
Okay, I can... Oh, no, it's okay.No, we're good.
So, as I was saying, like, the Terra storyline is, like, is particularly heartbreaking because, like, Beast Boy, like, finally... Because Beast Boy, like, met somebody, like... like that he really cared about.
And when he found out that like Tara was like working for Slade, like it's a punch to the gut because like not only is Beast Boy betrayed, but you're also betrayed.Like, damn, you know?
Exactly.Yeah.And I think I think that's when I I think that's when I kind of stopped, because like, yeah, yeah, I don't think because I don't think like anything like past the Tara Stone line was going to like peak after that.So
Yeah, the Terror storyline and the Ravens arc are definitely the two best arcs.Season five was a bit of a letdown.As a kid, it didn't matter to me.I would watch anything.
Not anything, but like anything that that show did, I would have been on board for because of how much I liked it.Yeah, those two arcs are the best, which is the same in the comics too, which I actually, it's the one comic series that I've read
all the major things through.I read them as a kid.I actually still have my issues now, but yeah.
oh cool yeah and that's uh and yeah and that okay and those are our five uh and those are our five picks yeah so yeah so we've reached we've reached the end of our i saw the tv glow discussion and the five shows that we've watched so yeah and like and each of our lists were pretty different which is fine because again i didn't grow up on the 90s
I didn't grow up on the 90s stuff back then and didn't really watch enough.Yeah, that was back then.I just I just stick to more doubt.I just stick to what's more of my speed.
So, yeah, no, I mean, I think it just speaks to like everyone has those shows for that.Yeah.You know, and it's what it's what the pink opaque is for the two characters in the film.It's like, I'm sure.
Like, it got canceled, obviously, because not enough people were watching.It doesn't mean it wasn't important to the people who were watching it.
OK.All right.So to go over our five picks, I got, I have Ben 10, Batman the Brave and the Bold, Johnny Test, Adventure Time, and Regular Show.
Yeah.I got Foster Song for Imaginary Friends.I got Batman the Animated Series, Even Stevens, Scooby-Doo, Take Your Pick, except for Velma and Teen Titans.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.That's that's going to be.Yeah, that's going to be the closer for this episode.So there we go.Yeah.And thank you guys for listening.Thank you for having me.I appreciate it.What was that?
I was just saying, thank you for having me.I appreciate it.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah, man, of course.And and of course, I'd like, you know, if if I were a lot.And of course, like I like, you know, if I'd like you back for your course, yeah.For your wise words and film expertise.
Yeah.But thank you.I appreciate it.
Yeah.So so anything you got going on that you'd like to plug or.
No, nothing going on.My Instagram page, Film Spence, if you want to follow me on there.And then on Letterboxd, N.H.Spencer.
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