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My guests today are Mallory Robbins and Elizabeth Bennett, founders of the design firm, Kobel & Co.And we talk about so many great design-y things.For example, we talk about using why one ugly thing lights up a room.
what a single antique can do for a room, the idea of using tension and balance within design and relying on serendipity for the final layers, how to repeat colors and patterns from one room to another without it being overly matchy.
There's a lot here.And you may decide you want to watch this episode on YouTube because I share photos of their work and we tease apart all of the above. with you being able to see exactly what we're referring to.
Just go to our podcast on YouTube by searching Slow Style Home.But if you prefer audio only, that's totally fine too.I'm just so glad you're here.
And quick little housekeeping note, I do have to apologize that in this interview, my video camera was not working very well. So you're seeing the built-in camera from my computer.It's not great, but when you see the photos, those are just fine.
So just don't look at me.Okay, enough with the introductions.Let's jump in with Mallory and Elizabeth of Kobol and Mallory Robbins and Elizabeth Bennett.Welcome to the Slow Style Home Podcast.Thanks for having us.
You guys are in the Midwest, in Kansas City, and I'm embarrassed to ask this, but I couldn't figure out which Kansas City.
That is a common question that we get.We are actually located in Kansas City, Missouri, but we're only a few blocks from state line.So a lot of our clients are in Kansas and a lot of them are in Missouri.
You talk about redefining Midwestern style, and I'm wondering what that means to you. And how does the essence of place inform your design philosophy?
It's a really great question.I think when we think about the US stylistic cues, I think so many parts of our country have such ingrained design backgrounds that you can instantly think of it.
You know, you think of Nantucket and you can see it in your mind.And the West Coast, it's that laid back, breezy, indoor, outdoor living aesthetic.And the South is a little bit more formal, maybe with a little tongue in cheek.
And the Midwest kind of doesn't ascribe to any one more than another.But I think it's a philosophy that in the Midwest, it's really centered around hospitality, and nothing is fussy.
You need to be able to come in and put your feet up on things as well as it be beautiful and one of a kind, but there's a lack of pretension, I think, in our neck of the woods.A welcoming aesthetic.
Yeah.Mallory, you've said that one of your current design obsessions are ugly chairs from like the seventies through the nineties.And I happen to love those too.
In fact, I often encourage people to put one ugly thing just on your shelf or in a vignette.Yeah.And I'm curious to know what you think an ugly chair would do for a room.Why do you love it?
We often follow the same advice.We always say if the room is too pretty, We're not successful.It's boring.You have to throw a little ugly into it to have tension, to have interest, to contrast against that beauty.
And I think it lends back to that idea of comfort, too.Something a little ugly in the room doesn't feel like it's a space you may not want to go in and sit down. I love these big kind of bulbous leather beat up.Yeah.
Ugly chairs, chairs that in isolation, someone might say that's not for me, but in the context of a whole room, really keep it feeling interesting.
They've got a lot of personality.Yes.And speaking of that, they, you might not like them alone.I think people have a real hard time with that.They see a thing, an object or a piece of furniture.
And out of any context, it's, that's just weird or not very attractive or whatever.And it really does take a lot of consideration.A lot of vision for how that's going to work in a room.
We always have to tell them, like, don't focus on the one thing we're going to step back and we have to look at the whole thing and don't look at one item in isolation.Sometimes it's great to, you know, focus in on one thing when the clients.
in love with it and it sets, drops anchor in the room and sets the tone for everything.But some of these ugly things, I love that we're just calling them freely ugly things.Some of these more quirky, personal items.
Charming things are often, we'll tell our client, like often the thing that we push you on that you're going to be the most uncomfortable with, in the end, it's going to end up being your favorite thing in the whole room.
What you get the most compliments on, what you get the most questions on and what really you can't imagine kind of the room without.
And I think those are the pieces that really define our signature style because they're not expected and they are in contrast to the pretty that looks very intentional.So I just love that you said that in your bio, Mallory.
And Elizabeth, you've said something that I really love.You say, don't rush.
And one of the principles of design that I teach in the Slow Style Framework is that style evolves, by which I mean your signature style will come from learning what you love and adding to that list through exposure to new inspiration.
And you say, don't buy impulsively.Wait for that perfect bespoke piece. So I find that really interesting coming from a designer because your clients are hiring you to finish things, right?
Yeah, I'm in a funny place with that.
But I think telling clients the common thread of what makes those homes feel so personal and collected when you go into a space and you're just like, oh my gosh, this just has such an ambiance and it's exactly how I want my space to feel.
I think more often than not, That space was successful because the common thread that runs through it is the individual.
So having things that you've collected over travels or over years, or it's an antique from a family member, it has a story and a soul to it.
I think collecting those things versus like buying the room in a box, just buying everything the floor model set. It gives the space a soul and a personality.I do.I encourage everyone out there, buy the best that you can afford, whatever that is.
And if it doesn't speak to you or stir your soul, just pause.Cause I think at the end of the day, the space is acquired over time. And I think those spaces are the ones that are the most memorable.
We are going to get a chance to see examples of what you two have just been describing, because I'm going to pull up some photos that I've taken from your website that I want to talk about.
So this first project, windows to the walls, actually, is what it says on your website.I want to talk about a particular room in this house.And I want to just point out what a single antique does for a room, right?
This room is beautiful and every single thing in it is lovely, but there's something about that antique.Tell us what your thoughts were on that.
Yeah.In this particular scenario, this was actually the client's own.She was looking for a space that felt much more pared back and relaxed.She had a lot of antiquity in the previous iteration of her house.
And so we brought in a lot of newness, but in an attempt to continue to make it feel like her and make sure it had enough history and balance. we did want to incorporate pieces she owned.
So this was the perfect piece to add some balance, both in terms of the tone of the wood, again, some of these lighter tones you see here, and just the age.
There's a lot of more modern relaxed style, and then this antique piece counterbalanced that effort.
This client had that classic 90s new build house, but when we came into it, it was like burgundy faux finishing. gold and Corinthian column details.And it was, I think it was in the 90s attempt at country French, maybe.Yes, I remember it well.
Yeah, it's probably coming back.The 90s are back.But she really wanted that more like laid back California lifestyle, but really wanted to make sure that we were finding ways to incorporate some of these historical pieces for her.
And this piece was just like the perfect thing to drop anchor on early and build the rest of the room around it in her new aesthetic.
I think this piece frankly was, it didn't stand out per se in the previous iteration of her home because she had a lot of furniture of this wood.It blended in.It blended in.But here it really gets to shine and it does make the space.
Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say is that if you had a room, by the way, I need to just make sure I describe what we're looking at for those who are not watching this on YouTube.
But I will also have the slideshow available on the show notes page just so whoever is listening just in your ears, you can go back and see what we're talking about.
This piece is a hutch, basically, and it could have been in a dining room, and it could have been in a very dark dining room with lots of dark furniture, maybe it all even matched, it was a matching set, and placing it in this environment with white walls, modern abstract art,
lots of natural materials and very muted tones, very more modern, but also just more streamlined.
And then you've got this more ornate hutch and it's just, it stands out, but it also does that thing you were talking about earlier, where it shows the life history of a person.They didn't just get it all at once.
Yeah, she didn't just reinvent herself.
This is an evolution of someone who is growing out of the stage of having children at home and just wanting a calm, peaceful environment, but also little nuggets of that history of what was before throughout the house.
And I think another conscious decision we made in here, just to really make sure that the focus did, your eye did land on this piece that does have history and dirt to it, was there's no other wood tone like it in the room.
So we deliberately, the coffee table is a complete opposite than this.It's rustic.It's in a natural wood.It's not a dark mahogany.And then the table between the chairs in the bay window is something else completely.
It's wood, but it has a much more modern line to it.So that really there's nothing in the space to compete with it. but it's equally counterbalanced by this, you can see the front of it in the lower right, but this like really furry dark chair.
So it's all about that juxtaposition, but we were thrilled to be able to use this piece in her space.
I think that getting the mix right between genres and eras and styles and all that stuff, that's really hard to do.And it really stumps a lot of people.And like a very typical question is people are afraid of, Oh, can I mix my woods?
They feel like, Oh, I have this dark wood piece.Now every wood has to be dark.And this is a great example.You can just see it.It's how beautifully it works when that's the only dark wood piece.Yeah. So let me go on to the next one.
So this is from a project called Let's Get Weird, which I love.Here we are really mixing eras and genres.And what I'm pulling out are either glass or loose-site table.You've got this very tailored velvet settee.You've got an oil painting.
You've got a pleated, It's all over the place and it works so beautifully.Why does it work so well?
It is all over the place.It is all over the place.I think we use balance a lot and tension a lot in the studio as we're building out things.And it can be a very fine line.It can sway.And if it's too balanced, it's boring.
And if it's too tense, it feels askew. really core to what we do is we drop anchor on something.Like something informs the rest of the decisions.
Sometimes it's a piece of furniture, sometimes it's a paint color, a light fixture, existing architecture.In this absolutely amazing house with these fantastic clients, it was this fabric.
Are we talking about the floral?
The floral, yeah.We fell in love with this fabric and had been holding it for years.When this project came around, it was perfect because it feels like a kind of that old Southern floral, but it's actually on a linen and it's a block print.
So it's perfectly imperfect.
It has, much to our discussion on ugly chairs, it has some colors in it that in isolation might be considered ugly colors.It's not necessarily overtly feminine or pretty.
And I would say on that too, like the color of the custom banquette there. That color in isolation is like a swampy green and the tape on top of it is slightly lighter and not quite a perfect match.
But when you put everything together with that pop of teal and the, and the trim and on the velvet, on the piece in front of the fireplace, it just all kind of sings, but has just enough tension to stay interesting and not stuffy.
Oh, my gosh.And boy, do I love finding the perfect use of ugly colors.Back to ugly again.But what really stands out for me in this nook here, this little corner, is the painting.
And I feel like even though you started with the fabric, everything is really supporting this oil painting.It just looks beautiful together.
This is one of my favorite shots of the whole house.And I think it is because of just that painting, that glorious behind. Yes.
I think a really integral part of our process is taking the project, maybe even through 90% of completion in terms of sourcing and knowing obviously what the furniture is and those hero fabrics and the lighting and getting all that done.
But that last 10% saving it for Elizabeth and I to get boots on the ground, head out to antique stores, whether it's often here locally or if we're traveling. The fine pieces that just offer that unexpected.And this nude painting was one of them.
It's actually a pair.I think the other one is featured elsewhere in the house.Oh, it was in the bathroom?Yeah.Mm-hmm.Yeah.Laid eyes on that at a local store.And we have to have it.
And not even necessarily knowing where in the home it was going to land, but knowing it needed to be there.
Isn't that the beauty of going antiquing or even thrifting is that you don't always know where it's going to go. It's just, it's the right material or it's the right tone or subject matter or whatever, and you just have to have it.
And so it finds a home.Let's go on to, this is on the same house.And this is just simply, to me, putting a very rustic, old, hand-carved table in a very sophisticated looking, very white kitchen.
I love the contrast here and the mix of materials is so fabulous.What was the thinking behind this?I love this kitchen so much.
So this house had a massive renovation.We actually took out
a staircase and an entire chimney and relocated, kind of did a big shuffle, but keeping at its core, making sure that the house felt, we always want to be good stewards of the home and good stewards of the architecture.
So we didn't want to overbuild or make it feel like it hadn't always been there because this house is a historic, almost like a Tudor style house.
But that, the piece here in the middle, we actually discovered in the basement of the house and it was just perfect.And again, it's that little bit of,
Quirk and ugly and history and soul, especially when everything is new and we're trying to make it look like it isn't anytime we can interject something that has a history and has some of that dirt and grime that you really just can't replicate.
It's an absolute no-brainer.
Yes, and that's exactly what's happening here. Same house again.I happen to love this house.We do too.Yeah, yeah.Okay.You got playfulness here.Look at that ceiling fixture.I don't even know.Is it lit?Or is it just art?
Okay, so this crazy kooky chandelier and then you've got one huge piece of art and then another sizable one over the buffet. They are different eras.They're not old.They're more contemporary, or at least modern.
And then you've got this bank, this sort of line of chairs and table.And I'm just trying to picture this room with the same table and chairs, with more kind of muted things or more serious things, very subdued, formal, that kind of thing.
And it would have completely changed the tone.This would have looked like a boardroom. Yeah, it absolutely could have.Not for everything else going on.So tell us about that.
I think that's also why we named that these clients wanted to have fun.And that's why the project is called Let's Get Weird.
It's this historic, amazing house, but they're not fussy people wanting to make sure that we were interjecting color and things.And again, that fabric is the drapery.Yes.
The same fabric that's on the same fabric.Yes.
Yeah.So even though we embrace tension and balance and recognize that fine line, we always want to have a line that carries throughout the house and especially within line of sight.
You can see the two rooms through various lines of sight within the home and making sure that those two formal spaces felt almost like a his and hers, like cousins.
So you'll see the same colors peppered through both spaces, but in very different ways and different saturations.
What I love about drapery is that because it's pleated, it emphasizes a different aspect of the pattern.Sure, sure. You get more of the color.
You've got your flat fabric on the pillows where you really see these big cabbage roses, and then you've got the drapery where it's all scrunched together, and then you see this interesting pattern.So it doesn't feel overly repetitive.
Yeah, absolutely.Yeah, this, I know we talked earlier about dropping ink around a piece early on in this room.The buffet piece you see over here on the left, we saw early on in the design process and just, again, knew that had to be
part of this home.And I think having that element of blue in here then made us walk back some of the other colors on these chairs and let that color shine over there.Again, creating balance.I know Elizabeth mentioned earlier.
And if everything is the star in a room, then nothing is the star.So we, you have this amazing light fixture.This room could have easily also gone like to glam, which is not that client.So it's walking that line and finding that balance of
really making sure that we're hitting the mark for what that client's personal aesthetic is.
I see what you mean about the glam, when that light fixture, and even like the sconce that's on the wall over the buffet.Yeah.But it's because of the shape of the ceiling fixture, it's so playful.
It's glam that's definitely not taking itself seriously, which I love.Exactly, yeah.
That light glows beautifully through the front window too.
You can see it from the front of the house.I bet, it's really cool. Okay, moving on.This is a project that you've called Charlie Barbara.
Charlie Barbara.That's an oldie.The client on this one, the name, I'll give you a click on the name.We always start with clients on like, if your house had a feeling, if it had a place, and they loved Charleston and Santa Barbara.
Oh, I get it. Charla Barbara.Did I say it right?
There we go.Yep.You got it.Nailed it.
That's awesome.That's awesome.And I think it's so great when someone has a place that is core to them.There's so much material you can get from a place in terms of it.What does the food smell like?And what is the air smell like?
What music do you hear when you're driving down the street?So that's fantastic.This has something that I really encourage people to consider, which is art in workspaces.
So kitchens, or this might be some sort of butler's pantry or something, but I think that putting art in those kinds of spaces, to me, it makes the space feel like it's connected to the rest of the home.It's not just a utilitarian space.
Sure.I think we're big believers in that art is personal, and it should have some of that tension and be a little bit provocative, if not in the subject matter, in maybe the juxtaposition of placement. and or like what we put it next to.
But this is a little coffee bar right off the kitchen.So again, to describe if people aren't able to see it right now, as we're talking, it's this beautiful marble backsplash with a shelf.
And then on the shelf, there isn't much you have is a mirror and two pieces of art, small oil paintings, and they're leaning against the wall.So it's just it feels so effortless.It invites you to change it too, but invites it
for a little bit of shuffling during the holidays or seasonally, or as you find something that speaks to you and you want to freshen it up?
Absolutely, yes.These two rooms in the same house are, in my opinion, what really stuck out to me was how brilliant you are at mixing dark and light.So on the left, we have a sitting area.The chairs are like a bluish-gray linen.
But everything else is in the neutral zone, all the other furniture, the rug, everything else.And then you've got this table that is a much darker wood.
And it just, similarly to the little table in the kitchen that we were talking about, it's just, I don't know, it feels collected over time.It's such a nice juxtaposition between light and dark in that room.
And then on the room on the right, which is a bedroom, Again, you went so dark with this bedside dresser that is, it looks, I can't tell if it's tortoise shell or if it's burlwood.Yeah.What is it?Burl.Burl, okay.
Yeah, so talk to us a little bit about this.And also the brown paint.Somebody might look at that can of brown paint all by itself without context and go, brown?
We get so many questions about that color paint on The Expert, with our consults on The Expert.That bedroom is a fan favorite, and I think because it's so cozy.
Yeah, that particular client wanted a room that was, they could close the drapery and feel like they were in a cocoon for sleeping.So yeah, finding the perfect tone that didn't feel dark and sad, but dark and cozy.Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
I'll sidebar real quick, because I have a funny story on this nightstand here, this Burlwood nightstand you asked about.
We were doing a lot of this sourcing, I think during COVID and Elizabeth and I were working separately from each other and unbeknownst to each other, we're both bidding on the same piece against each other with the dealer.
We managed to raise the price on ourselves.Luckily we caught ourselves before we got too far along.
So smartly bidding against each other, but I think you had a good point.I think as we talk about Midwest style and being able to blend things, The client obviously loved Charleston and they loved the laid-back living of Santa Barbara, so you'll see
some elements in this house that have very traditional color palettes.It was very blue and white and tan, which to me feels very Southern.And then everything else in here is very linen and just very laid back.
But juxtaposed, again, with some of those items that are antiques, both of the rugs and both of these images are antiques.
The nightstands and the gateway table, all of that is the old dirty that adds that soul to a space that's otherwise relatively new.
Yes, 100%, absolutely so beautiful. This one's called Brooklyn Bridge, and there is so much going on in this room.It's very serene, but then count the number of different materials.
So you've got the grass cloth, walls, you've got the bamboo shade, you've got, it looks like some velvet, you've got the sisal rug, the wool rug, the marble, the glass.So what were you going for here?Because whatever it was, it's, I want to be there.
I'm so glad you picked this room because this shot and the other shot of the space are some of my favorite rooms we've done.The walls are actually not even grass clad, they're silk.
So it has luminosity of the paper that's hard to capture in a still image.But this house with an amazing client and this particular room was actually designed and intended for their parents.
So when their parents come to visit, starting with this feeling of hospitality and warmth, we landed on this beautiful silk paper and then juxtapose it with this kind of fleshy pink color.
And then again, that just warms each of the decisions down the line.And it created this really warm, enveloping, glowy, glowy space.
It's such a great lesson in color. Because if I were to just describe it, and I'm seeing some purples in there, some pinks in there, browns, maybe some olive greens, it sounds, to me, that could be a very vibrant, busy room.
But the particular hues and tones of those colors that you chose make the room feel like such a soft landing.But also, without it being overly saccharine, right?Pink and purple, but it's not saccharine. It's such a great blend of those shades.
That's such a great word to use for that room.I love that.
Same house.That's exactly why I chose this room.And these are two different pictures of the same room.Same house.This, to me, I would say is where I'd go when I want to be introverted, my introverted self.
And this is where I want to go when I want to be extroverted.And I'm wondering, is that a fair assessment?
Exactly.Sure.Yeah.They have young kids.This particular space is the core of the home.And in here, this is where life is happening.Especially going off the kitchen.Vibrancy.
What a great color too.And then this same house, this is neither extroverted or introverted.And I came up with the word introspective.I feel like this is where I would go to mull things over.
I dig that.I dig that.It was like during, was it the beginning of COVID?Right during COVID.Oh gosh. And there was a, they needed a home office.So we commissioned, we have a great friend here in town who makes amazing things for us.Shout out to Adam.
He made this beautiful long console that doubled as a desk when in use, but if they ever wanted the space to turn it into more of a reading room with different furniture or a library for their kids as they get older, with the swap of a chair, it could easily become something that felt far more cozy.
Yeah, there's so many mixed materials in here.You've got the leather, you've got the steel, you've got silver and gold.I think those are gold on the legs of the console.Yeah, yeah.The glass.The rock at the retainer.
Oh my God, there's just, it's so beautiful.And I really encourage people to come look at this photo if you can, because it's such a great example of mastering the mix. And then we move on to your children's rooms.
Now these, what I want to say about all your children's rooms is that they don't look like children's rooms.I want to spend time in these.I want these.Me too. And I can see how this might be a little controversial.
There's one school of thought that says, let your kids do whatever they want in their own rooms.Let them design their own rooms.Let them make it a mess or put the things in that they want.And then there's another school of thought that says,
When you teach your child early on how to appreciate things of beauty, things that are well-made and how to care for them and respect them, that is also quite valuable.
And I'm guessing you guys land on that side of the, if there is a debate on the debate.
I think we do.I almost add that we land in the middle because I think these, all of our children's rooms, we feel strongly that the child has to drive the design, whether it's through their personality.
where every kid's room we have the kids come in and colors they're drawn to.But I think it's even that it imprints on you.I think as a child, the space that you're surrounded by even subconsciously imprints on your mind and who you are.
And I think even if you end up trashing it with your toys and you do truly make it your own, speaking to my son, I think it's all there.They're surrounded by things that have been carefully considered for them as individuals.
Also, the slide you had previously, it's a big, beautiful desk for this particular child who is a maker, creator.We had built in.
We had this built into the space specifically to house all of her art materials, give her a broad space in front of the window in which to do that art.
Love it.Lucky girl. This is in, I think, the same house.This is a boy's house.
This is a little boy.So this particular family has three kids and each with very different personalities and thus each with very different design briefs for each of their rooms.
This is the baby's room who I don't know that he knows that he leans more mid-century, but he does. Or at least he will now for the rest of time.He will now.And this was fun.We just wanted to have fun with it and have some bold color.
So we added all of this millwork and then just had fun with the wallpaper and that amazing sconce.And those are his toys that we styled with. But nothing in there is too precious.
You can jump around on most of it.It's so playful in a kind of mature way, which is what I love about it.You're saying to your kid, you're going to grow into this.
And so again, just to describe for people who aren't looking at it, it's kind of this very, like almost an ochre, mustardy yellow, I guess, is it beadboard or wainscoting?What would you call that?
vertical planking vertical planking vertical plank there we go with a chair rail and then above it is this really playful it looks it probably isn't but it looks hand-painted water-colored this kind of deep teal stripes going in the opposite direction going horizontally to contrast with the vertical of the planks and they're just a fabulous color combination really fun
Same house, I can't remember.Same house, middle child.So again, I didn't even, it took me a long time to understand that this was a quote unquote kid's room because look at the picture on the left.
What I love about this area is you've got these highly lacquered steps leading up to what you assume is a loft.
and then you've got sort of a highly lacquered wall up to a chair rail and then it's and that's those are in these deep branched with blue and then the ceiling above the chair rail is a lighter blue and then you've got a kind of a gray blue and the in the drawers and you've got a lot of blue in the artwork and a blue couch.
It's such a great study of using all of the different shades, hues, tones of one color with
and all the different types of artwork.There's another image in this series that it is a built-in bunk bed.People love, yes, this is the bunk bed, built-in bunk beds.
This room, I think we landed on this design not only because the family wanted this aesthetic, the kids are really close and they wanted the ability to have bunks and things like that.
So once we dropped anchor on the layout, we had this amazing opportunity to give this kid, he was a bit more bookish and maybe a little bit more of an introvert, really cozy reading nook that his siblings will also use.
And then that juxtaposition of some oil paintings and really modern art.
Oh, it's just gorgeous.And you mentioned the word imprint, which I think is exactly the right word.
If we all think back to our own childhoods and think about the rooms we maybe spent the most time in, probably our bedrooms and maybe one other room in the house,
And you can remember in detail all of the different aspects of the room because that was the time of our lives where we were figuring out who we were.It was the start of figuring out who we were.
And I really think you're making such a great case for why style matters because think about what an impact It can have, this has been so much fun.I love going through your work.You had so much fun.Good, I'm glad, I'm glad.
Thank you so much for your time today and going through this with me.I really enjoyed it.And I really appreciate your creativity.It's been really fun to get to know your work.
It's been a pleasure.And it's always been nice to meet a fellow lover of ugly things.So that really made my day.
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