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Governor Kevin Stitt is with us.Governor, appreciate you making the time for us.Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck.
Absolutely.Great to be with you guys.
All right.So we're talking a lot today about the very prominent and now the media will say controversial Trump plan to begin deport deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster scale than certainly what Biden was doing in the past.
And law enforcement priorities pushing this, meaning people who are criminal, illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation.You've unveiled in your state Operation Guardian.
Tell us about this program how work in Oklahoma as it's as it unfolds and also how you plan to have the state Work with the federal government the Trump administration to finally restore some law and order when it comes to illegal immigration Yeah, absolutely.
Well, first off.I mean, it's just a Optimistic mood in America.I mean you can feel it.We're going back to law and order we're gonna get you know inflation under control energy and uh, permitting reform safety across the world.
I mean, it's just really exciting to have common sense back in the white house.And so in Oklahoma, I mean, it's just total common sense.
If we have people that are breaking the law, that they're criminals plus they're illegals and Oklahoma, you know, if we give these people over to ice under a Biden Harris administration, nothing happens.
So we've obviously got bad guys in prison because we're a law and order state.
But now with Trump coming back to the White House, we wanted to be the first state to kind of lead by example to say, listen, Oklahoma taxpayers should not be footing the bill for people that are here illegally, number one.
And number two, especially people that are that are criminals that are in our in our correctional facility.So those are the first ones we want to tackle.
And we wanted to kind of be a model to other states and work with the Trump administration and know that now we have a partner in the White House that believes in common sense and wants to protect
law and order and wants to protect safety across the country.
Governor, appreciate you coming on.I'm sure you've already seen a lot of Democrat governors saying, we're not going to work with Trump at all when it comes to deportations.How do you think that will play out?
And how much of that, I think the answer is probably 100%, is that often political angling to try to potentially put themselves in the running to be the Democrat nominee in 28?
Yeah.I mean, I think Americans are too smart for that.They can see they're talking from the exact same playbook.And it was amazing.
Like, I think the day after the election, you started seeing, uh, you know, the, the, the regular folks, the regular democratic, uh, talking points, uh, from all the different governors talking about, we're going to protect our citizens.
You're gonna have to come through me.Well, I think that they're missing the point.I think Americans spoke overwhelmingly.Trump got one, the popular vote, 312 electoral votes. And overwhelmingly, people want border security.
They want a law and order back in our communities.They believe in safe communities.We want freedom and education.We want to unleash American energy.And so, again, I don't think the Democrats learned anything from that last election.
And for them to come out immediately and say they're not going to work with the president on law and order, I think they're shooting themselves in the foot, and they didn't learn anything from Tuesday's election.
are are there sanction i know you're you're in a very red state the governor fortunately a very red state but i'm assuming it's possibly got sanctuary jurisdictions in tulsa uh... maybe oklahoma city i mean is that is that a challenge for you in terms of local and state law enforcement working together on this issue are they on board what what can you tell us about that because i just i wonder how that state local and and federal is going to all collide or work together on this issue
Well, you know, yeah, we are not a sanctuary state at all.I mean, occasionally we'll have some of our big city mayors that'll push back and are kind of squishy on this issue.
But really what I'm talking about here, and I don't know how any American and certainly how any Oklahoma would complain about it, we're talking about people that are here illegally, number one.And number two, they're also incarcerated.
They're criminals.They're either in gangs.They've had a run-in with law enforcement.They've got busted for running drugs and fentanyl coming across the border.So we're talking about that element first.I think that's what Trump's talking about.
And then we need to get them out of our states, out of our country. And then I believe in immigration reform.
We need to have, if somebody comes to the University of Oklahoma on an education visa and they get an engineering degree, we want to convert that to a workforce visa.
So if people want to chase the American dream and pay taxes and be part of our society and we have jobs for them, we want to connect the employers with employees, I'm all for workforce visas and changing that immigration
a policy but we're talking about the criminal element right now and that i don't know how anybody could argue democrat or republican that that needs to be out of our out of our country
When you look at, you mentioned that you can feel a major vibe shift.I know Oklahoma is very much of a Trump, you know, fertile ground, right?You guys win in your state, go red by a massive amount.But I got some stats here for you, Governor.
This is the latest data in terms of how things have moved. New York moved 11.5% towards Trump, New Jersey 10.2%, Florida 9.8%, Massachusetts 8.7%, California 8.4%.So four of the biggest states to gain massively in Trump's support were blue states.
I'm curious, do you feel that when other governors are starting to talk, that even somebody like Kathy Hochul, for instance, in New York, which is considered a blue state,
Crazily, New York is closer to a red state than Texas or Florida are to blue states based on the data out there.Can you feel maybe a vibe shift in terms of how even those politicians are talking, given what happened even in blue states?
You know, I really can.I'm the the vice chair this year of the National Governors Association, which is the bipartisan group.And so behind closed doors, when I talk to my Democratic colleagues, It's very collegial.We've got a good relationship.
And I'm surprised how they are all telling me, yes, we need stronger borders.And that was what's so perplexing for the American people is why
You know, the Biden-Harris administration was refusing to go back to Trump-era policies, which was remain in Mexico.And so I think that across the board, you know, the governors at least understand that we need to have border security.We need that.
And unless they're trying to kind of placate to their, you know, left-wing part of their party, these are just common sense things that if you're truly an American and you want what's best for our country,
You shouldn't be able to argue these points, but it's really exciting.If you look at the Hispanic vote, it made major gains towards the Republican Party.
I tell people they believe in God and family and they're entrepreneurs, and they're more concerned about the economy than somebody's pronouns. They're little girls to have to be competing with biological males in sports.
I mean, the left has gone so far the other way that I think that you saw that in this election.And so hopefully common sense will return.And I know common sense is going to return to the White House.
And I hope we're seeing it return to New York and California and some of these other states and just say, hey, we want to give the Trump administration a chance.
And I think we want safe communities, and we want our girls to be protected when they play sports, and stuff that we've known in Oklahoma for a long time.
Speaking of Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma, Governor, how many illegals are currently in custody in your state?Do you have a pretty good, firm number on that?
And what is the cost to the people of Oklahoma just to incarcerate them, roughly speaking, on a day or monthly basis?
Yeah.So, you know, I've had our team go back and look at that.We have, I think, around 20,000 people incarcerated in Oklahoma.That's something I'm always working on is safe communities, but also want to make sure that we believe in second chances.
So we've done a lot of work there, but there's 526 people that should not be incarcerated.
uh... in oklahoma because they're illegal they broke the law and we're having to uh... pay for their car serrations itself it's millions of millions of dollars to the taxpayers of oklahoma uh... i think it's uh... i read something just so i i read something that's almost forty thousand dollars uh... forty thousand dollars to uh... for each one of those inmates is that correct me for the year that that is correct yet so it's going to cost us between twenty to thirty thousand of exact number
uh... per inmate per year and that's just saddle directly on the state taxpayers that's our status of so tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers in your state at a minimum that should not be just for those who are incarcerated that is that is exactly right that's correct so and that you know it did no good before with the biden harris administration is
ICE was not doing their job.Under a Trump administration, we're going to return to the rule of law.And so when we push those back to ICE, they'll be returned back to, they'll be out of Oklahoma and out of our country, which will be a good thing.
We don't want the criminal element here.But I also remind people we need immigration reform and we need to make sure we have state workforce visas and we match employers to employees.And that's good as well if people want to chase the American dream.
And so I think that's important for people to note as well.
Governor, we know that Barack Obama recently, Bill Clinton, Democrat governors who are Democrat governor in the case of Bill Clinton, a former senator in the case of Obama, but they got elected on the idea that, hey, illegal immigrants should be sent back.
This wasn't considered to be a political issue.How much do you think this will become a political issue going forward?We mentioned Democrat governors are already lining up.
Or do you think the fact that this was standard operating procedure to deport illegals, particularly illegals with criminal backgrounds, as recently as when Obama was in office, will that end up ultimately winning the public argument?
How do you see this playing out?
You know, I think they've gone too far.I don't see how this is.I think Trump has made it a national story.The Republican Governors Association sent a letter.We've made this a national story pushing on border security.
I believe the American people are there, that we have to have strong borders.We have to know who's coming through our country.We need to have immigration reform.I'll give you that, too.
But I don't believe that all of a sudden, in 28, the election cycle is going to flip, and all of a sudden, American people are going to vote for the crazy person that's saying, yeah, let's do open borders.I just don't believe.
I think the pendulum is going to swing back to more normalcy, to say, hey, no, no, no, Even Democrats agree that we have to have border security.And this is not a winning argument for their side.
And if they keep doubling down on it, I just think it just shows you how politically blind they are.Trump just won overwhelmingly with a mandate to say, we're going to secure our border and we're going to have safe communities.
And for them to come out day one, I think it's just very
All they're doing is just trying to put themselves as the anti-Trump person out there, and they think it's going to gain with the far-left part of their party, maybe make them some kind of hero.But I think long-term, it's not going to work.
And if they keep running on that playbook, you're going to see the same type of landslide victories that you saw in 24 for the good guys.
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The Biden administration has okayed the use of farther range weaponry that could reach into Russia.A lot of you reacting and sharing information about mass deportations.There's an interesting dichotomy, Buck, just FYI, so we are seeing this.
The way that they count as basically deportations has changed. over the years, that is rejecting people at the border is sometimes counted, sometimes it's not.So some of you are blowing us up with Bill Clinton.
Hey, he actually, when we're saying deportation, the way we're classifying it now is putting people on airplanes and sending them back to their country of origin.
finding incarcerating sending back the country of origin this is what i was trying to say when you look at the clinton years and i don't think the obama ministration is doing this as well probably the bush administration to if they caught you at the border and turned you back or if they just turned you away at a port of entry they were considering that a deportation and which is not at it very different terms of resources and everything else it's a very different uh... ordeal
what we're saying is obama around three million flying out of the country now also many of you out there will say and you're right we never had the number of illegal immigrants in the country like we do now and buck i know many of you out there will remember this i remember this feeling
Around about 2000, suddenly there was a massive influx of illegal immigrants in, for instance, the city that I live in, Nashville.
I just remember out of nowhere, early in the 21st century, there was suddenly a mass influx of illegal immigrants that you could notice in a place like Nashville, Tennessee, where I lived.
And it felt very different than it did in the 80s and the 90s, which as you pointed out, and this is important, Illegal immigration is different today than it was then.
It used to be, hey, I'm coming in, I'm doing a seasonal job, I'm in California, I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna pick strawberries, for instance, or tomatoes, or whatever it is, seasonally, and then I'm gonna go back to Mexico with the money.
That doesn't happen as much now.It's permanent, and that's why it's a different level of problem to have to be addressed.And so that is significant.
deporting somebody to mexico like we all know the geography is a lot easier than deporting them to bangladesh okay well one is a long plane ride and you gotta arrange all that and you know you gotta make sure you got enough people going to enough places for the plane ride to be worth it mexico if you're sending them back just to mexico
Pretty easy, right?That's a whole other thing that you have to take into account with this as well.
When we're talking about what Trump's going to do with warp speed deportation, maybe they should call it that, Operation Warp Speed Deportation, it's going to be people who are found, incarcerated, sent back to their country of origin in planes.
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He is a former Pentagon official from Trump's first administration, author of the excellent book Strategy of Denial.Bridge, great to have you back on the program.I'm getting people asking me this and I
I jumped to some pretty dark conclusions about it, so I'm wondering what you think.Here we are, Biden is, yes, technically the commander-in-chief, but we all, including Democrats, know that it's pretty shaky.
No pun intended with that, but you know, it's no double entendre, it's pretty shaky.
uh... and he's having a tough time understanding what's going on around him meanwhile we're told that he has authorized the use of american provided long-range missiles so that ukraine can now fire missiles couple hundred miles i've seen different estimates of how long these will go in the russian territory to hit russian batteries what is this a big deal why is he doing this what's going on
well great to be with you but i'm glad it's uh... it i mean it is honestly both disturbing and bewildering because the bizarre thing it's almost like this sort of reductio ad absurdum of the by the ministration policy where they're openly admitting in the new york times that this is not going to make that much of a difference and yet it is a very significant escalatory step it's been talked about tremendously on the western side but also the russians and putin himself have made clear it's a big deal
uh... but yet you know the russians have probably already adapted they've moved their forces around they claim they shot down several of the attack comes and apparently both the ukrainians and we are low on the attack on stocks so it's this kind of you know perfect encapsulation of the biden symbolism over effectiveness policy which is it really just uh... we can't get changed soon enough and i mean that you know they've been right this is something that i think is really important to stress your buck
is they have been running policy on this for obviously the last four years, but certainly since the beginning of 2022, in late 21, when this crisis began.
And they've been working with certain Republicans who supported a maximalist sort of goals on Ukraine.And I call it the liberal-primacist alliance.
And now the deputy national security advisor admitted while Biden was down in Rio that the situation is extremely difficult and the Russians are willing to up the ante.Apparently, according to the Levada Center,
Polling, you know, life satisfaction in Russia, including among young people, is at an all-time high.So this is just a really bad situation, and they seem to be making it worse, I think to, frankly, peer pressure.
You know, maybe the Europeans, maybe some of the, you know, sort of the Morning Joe kind of constituency, although even they seem to be defecting from Biden.
What does a solution, I know it's like a ceasefire, a peace agreement in your mind look like?
What I have been reading, Bridge, and we appreciate the time, is that it would look something like what I have seen is a 20-year agreement that NATO is not going to add Ukraine, international peace forces potentially to manage the border, whatever is negotiated as the new border of Ukraine.
Is that kind of where you see this going?And I also saw a poll today, and obviously in the wake of the election, we know polls aren't always reliable, but suggesting that somewhere north, maybe 52% of Ukrainians were ready for this war to be over.
Do you buy in that Trump in the first 90 days or so can get a solution?And if so, what does that solution look like?
well look i don't want to get ahead of the of the president i think he seems to have a somewhat of his own idea that he's not at his hand which makes sense from a negotiating point of view i would just say looking at history we've got to be realistic and looking at the situation on the ground you know i don't think we can be expecting that like crummy is going to come back and i think we should be realistic and i think the fact that ukrainians are now looking for an end to the war but just objectively given the enormous human suffering in the fact the war is not going very well
together means some kind of ceasefire or cessation of the conflict.That's realistic.I mean, these conflicts tend to end somewhere along the battle lines as they exist.
Unfortunately, the Russians are making progress, but there's reason to think that the Russians might not want this war to go on forever.It's obviously causing them pain at home, although they seem to be willing to manage it.
It's making them more dependent on China.It's closing them off from the West and Europe. So I think, you know, and Putin has seemed to be at least open and his lieutenants like Peskov to at least some, you know, hearing out their proposals.
And this war has been going on for almost three years.
So, you know, I very much hope and I think you've seen, frankly, the reality, obviously, you know, sort of lemming like you had the Western leaders and Biden saying, oh, this war can't end, it's got to go on as long as it takes.
And then as soon as Trump has received this decisive electoral mandate from the American people, Olaf Scholz, the chancellor of Germany, is calling Putin.And you see the shift in the popular opinion in Ukraine.
So what it looks like exactly, I don't know.I don't want to get ahead of the president, for sure.But I think we've got to be realistic.This, to me, again, guys, is what I would stress, is I think we've got to calibrate.
We, as the American people, have got to calibrate expectations.Things are being left in such a bad state by the Biden-Harris administration that we've got to be realistic.
You know, the Russians have spilled an enormous amount of blood, and yes, an aggressive and unjustified attack into Ukraine, but this is the real world, and we'd be better off dealing with the real world, as President Trump is always pointing out, and having made, you know, avoided this conflict.
rather than the kind of moralism of Joe Biden and Tony Blinket.And what I would say is on the NATO issue, I mean, I personally don't think that Ukraine should be in NATO.So I don't know why we would reserve the right even for 20 years.
I mean, what's the point of reserving something for 20 years?I mean, that's like way down the pike in strategic planning and diplomacy terms.So I think we should be prepared to negotiate on a range of issues in order to bring this conflict to an end.
bridge uh... i see something troubling that i know uh... the incoming trump administration is gonna have to confronted and hopefully uh... untangle uh... it seems that there is in axis a de facto act is that is forming uh... and you can almost see it like uh... like a cycle or or like some kind of assembly line you've got
russia selling its oil a lot of it to china and other actors uh... and you've got north korean soldiers who are fighting now on the front lines in russia you've got iranian drones uh... the she had drones being used on the front lines in in ukraine uh... you know or rather that's also the north koreans are fighting obviously in ukraine but on behalf of the russians uh... and so you have all this
I don't want to say these kind of oppositional states that are collaborating and seeming to get closer militarily and economically, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, than we've seen in a long time.And I think that's worrisome.
How do you see that and how do you think Trump can approach that?
was very worrisome and i think i mean i hate the term axis of evil because it harkens back to the disastrous policy of the early two thousands but there are you know i'd call like a counter coalition or some that sort of a lame way of putting it but excuse me on but i think you're absolutely right that there is a coalition of states that have come together frankly the biden his policy
through the rhetoric, through its behavior, has actually driven them further and further.And the administration has sort of admitted that.Blinken has admitted that the Russians have been helping the Iranians.
They've been helping the Chinese on things like submarine warfare, which is very important, the North Korean nuclear and missile program.Of course, you mentioned the other things in the other direction.So I think, look, what can we do?
I think we can be selective about how we apply our military. So we're strong in the right places, particularly Asia.I think we can get our allies to do more and really do that.And you already see that happening.
You see Trump, you know, common sense breaking out all over the place with Trump's election, Taiwan saying it might spend more on defense, Germany moving in that direction, hopefully maybe the United Kingdom, Australia, et cetera.
That's another piece.And then a more pragmatic and flexible diplomacy that harkens back to the successful
Republican foreign policy of Reagan, Nixon, Ike, et cetera, which is being, Jim Baker, is being prepared to negotiate with our rivals and opponents, both to avoid conflict, excuse me, but also to potentially, you know, drive wedges is a little ambitious, but maybe create fissures and uncertainties amongst them that causes problems.
And that, I think, is kind of how we go.If you look at how, say, the Indians conduct their foreign policy, it's much more successful than the Joe Biden approach.
Bridge, how much do you think, and I know we've talked about this before, but Putin invading Ukraine, Hamas attacking Israel on October 7th, was just complete and total disrespect for Joe Biden in the wake of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And how much do you think merely Trump being elected changes the calculus of Americans' foreign policy adversaries, whether it's China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea?
at well i think glad to get a big a big one i think you know the afghanistan thing is very important on any it was a seminal event but i think sometimes some of the kind of new conservative voices say oh such a disaster we should stay there till the can end of time i don't think that's right that's a present trumpets as well
I think what Afghanistan showed is it told people a lot about Joe Biden and how he would make decisions.And I think Donald Trump's a very different guy.He's tough.
He's an unpredictable, but he's also prepared and he's prepared to do tough and sharp and nasty things.In some circumstances, he's going to put the American people first.He's willing to break China, excuse me, so to speak.
to achieve successful outcomes, but he's also prepared to negotiate and be flexible.
So I think you could see quite significant changes right away, and I think you already see that both on the part of our allies, but also on the part of potential opponents.
The fact that he's willing to talk to potentially Putin, Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping, that's good.That gives us leverage, it gives us negotiating space, and it creates tensions among them.
bridge call the everybody bridge hoping that you will uh... perhaps be helping the incoming trump administration prevent world war three which i think it's a bipartisan like we can all get behind that like let's not do world war three and i hope you can have a little and i find that well nope yeah but i'm honored friends i i really had no no no world war three and bridge i want to try to avoid world war three i'm into that guys yes i think you're down with it i was going to be i would give you some tactical advice now bridge
Ginger, fresh ginger, grated, hot water, little bit of honey, gonna help with that throat a lot.You gotta take care of yourself, buddy.You're out there talking and stopping wars.But strategy, denial is his book.Rich Colby, thanks for being with us.
Thank you guys, pleasure.
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It'll be out to you before Christmas even gets here. Um, but there's a, uh, uh, when we come back in the next hour, we got a bunch of things we want to dive into.But in particular, I wanted to hit you with this and I want to set the table for it.
I can't tell you how much of a vibe shift has gone on in the world of American sports. You used to coach high school soccer.
If you had to, right now, say which fan base in America is the most left-wing in the world of sports, I think you would say soccer.Now, it's different around the world, but soccer in America has an elite, highly educated, left-coast vibe to it.
Christian Pulisic scored goals last night.He's the best American goal scorer maybe we've ever had, still a young guy, and he celebrated by doing the Trump dance.
And there is chaos in the soccer streets this morning that the greatest American soccer player ever, maybe, I hope ends up being the greatest American soccer player to score goals ever before all is said and done, that he would decide, Buck, to celebrate his goals last night against Jamaica by doing the Trump dance.
Even soccer now has given itself over.Young men, I've got a theory for you, Buck.Young men have embraced Trump like we have never in our lives see young men embrace a United States president.
Well, they have somebody that they can respect and that speaks to their issues and that makes them feel comfortable with being men or being young men.This is a big difference.
You think about who the Democrat Party has elevated, the kind of people who were obsessed over the last decade
with putting pronouns in everything and with uh... with talking about you know how how the best thing is everyone needs to be girl bosses and just all this
gender uh... the sort of gender ideology not in just the trance top of the gender ideology uh... overall and andy toxic masculinity talk in the constant downgrading and and and down talking about masculinity uh... as as a cultural not just a cultural phenomenon cultural demand really it was i had to do this
uh... i think that young men have had enough of that crap and i think that that's what you're seeing now and you can't in the you know you can have a a a sports realm clay where people are objectively lying to their audiences talk with the commentary side
and it's just like the morning morning joe said trump is hitler and now we're finding out they don't actually think he's hitler yes p n i would ask you this because i was fascinated cuz i do not care at all about the sports commentary world separate a few very great people but generally i have no idea you said they're so left wing that they wouldn't say that you know the trans thing in sports now they're on the wrong side of that too because no one's going to go forward with this publicly in the over a real and it's sort of general mass appeal sense and not be ridiculed
I've got a good thesis that I'm gonna share with you at the start of the next hour.How did young men, and this is supported by the data, how did young men so overwhelmingly break Trump in 2024?Buck, I think you're gonna like this thesis.
I wrote a column about it.It's up on Outkick and it's up on foxnews.com.My thesis is this is the lasting impact of COVID. If you lied to young men for so long, this is, they're now reaping what they sowed for the lies.
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